October 18, 2024 • 30 mins
Doug and Jason Stewart riff on the Dodgers. Doug reacts to Lavar Arrington's take on the Cowboys. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason deems as most annoying today. Plus, a passionate Mets can makes today's edition of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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(00:35):
you to Jays two last night, wasn't it? And I
was watching it and obviously clearly you've motivated. You've changed
the trajectory of Mookie bets I ten to two. That
game wasn't close. They just kept churning up runs, churning
up walks. But Mookie bets four for six, and of
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course it's all helped out when show here Tony leads
off the home run. I believe yesterday you said I
don't really get why he leads often? She said, was
that you yesterday?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Well, he was over twenty five with nobody on, so
I'm like, why are they leading them off? But it
was kind of in jest. And then the first first
at bat last ninety breaks that street.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, why are they leading him off? What's the answer to.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Then, well, the answer there is to maximum the number
of at bats he gets over the course of time.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, correct, correct, So pretty impressive stuff. Though. Is the
series over?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I sure hope, so, I sure hope it's over. This
Dodger team has been the antithesis of the teams we
have seen since twenty sixteen. This Dodger team seems to close,
seems to close games. It seems to have like a
Kobe Killer instinct, don't let up. It's very different than
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past teams. So if they're consistent in that, they'll close
it out tonight and not fuck around, right. I just
don't want them to kind of like fall back into
Dodger tendencies. Jack Flaherty has been an amazing pickup. People
forget he couldn't find the plate. I think just two
or three years ago at the Cardinals, he was a mess.
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He was a mess before he got traded away, and
I keep kind of waiting for him to revert back
to that Jack flaherty. But he's been amazing. So there's
my answer.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I am I just I'm sitting there going like, man,
I can't believe Jay Stwo has had his pennies and
a bunch about this team, and I know you pay
attention to day to day, and I know that most
of it is based upon the fact that you know
that team better than anybody else. And it did look
bad against the Padres, it did look bad late in
the season, but man, they've been impressive. The other thing, though,
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I would point out, is I'm not gonna sit here
and put my head in the sand and say analytics
is dormits nerds, it's whatever. But analytics doesn't it isn't
able to track emotions. You know. It doesn't talk about momentum.
You know, it's just the data of the data of
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the data, the data. And when you have the hype
of a New York City game, you have the energy
of coming off of They didn't they didn't score a run.
You know, I haven't scored a run in either of
the two losses. And you've done a pretty good job
against show Hey, especially with nobody on base, and the
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game starts and you're down one nothing with the best
player in the history of baseball rounding the basis, that
just changes everything. I don't care how much you think
you can get it back, it just feels way different
when you're down one to nothing, and to me, it's
a lot like I've talked about this with an ace
in baseball, like you can't necessarily quantify what it means.
But when the house is on fire and the ace
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grabs the ball and gets you one win, it's only
one win in one sixty two, but it does stabilize everything.
The same thing for show Heyo Tani. Not that the
Dodgers were in a bad place up two games to
one on the road, but he gets to the plate,
he hits a towery home run, and all of a sudden,
any pressure that any Dodger feels is gone, simply gone.
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And I just I was watching last night thinking Jase
Tuo freaked out about nothing, and when show Hey hits
a home run to start the game, it completely changed
the whole feeling of the game. The same thing is true,
by the way, in basketball. You know, it's like people
talk about percentages of shots whatever, and look, you can
go two of eight from three, but you hit those
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first two, and all of a sudden, every defensive guy
ever is looking for who's that guy who hit those
two threes? And last night when it shoe Heyo Tani,
and he had been quieted for the most part. Definitely
quieted in the previous series and somewhat in this series,
although he got in loose a little bit and all
of a sudden he's rounding the bases. I thought that
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game was over after that hit.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I mean, you, I think that you are onto something.
This is what I've been thinking the entire time. So
that was kind of a microcosm of the entire last
what the last two games of the of the Division
series and then this series. The Dodgers have gotten up
pretty quick, and when you're it is such a different
monster when you're pitching with the lead. So you can
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give all the credit you want to how Dave Roberts
has managed the bullpen and getting these clutch pitching performances
from Bueller and Last Night Yamamoto, but it is such
a different thing when you're pitching from ahead. You know,
there's a different confidence level.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You take more risks, absolutely, especially you know you can
go up there, especially if you know you have no
runners on you can go after guys. So you can't
go after guys. So I mean, like, listen, the pitching
gets credit unto itself, but when you're up, when you're
playing from ahead and the best player in baseball, Like,
that's one of those things that that's why you haven't
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laid off, because it does. It probably happens, you know,
ten times a year, but I would I would guess
in the in the ten times or how many times
he's led off the game with a home run, maybe
it's five. They probably won every one of those games.
It's a it's a weird thing. It's a strange psychology,
but it definitely puts fear in your head, in your heart.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
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the Fox Says and now.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Every day at this time in the Bonus podcast, we
played for your portshit of previous show on Fox Sports
Tradio or Fox Sports One. We call it was does
the Fox Say? This is Jonas Stocks and LaVar Arrington
talking about the Cowboys and the recent criticism of their
offense by Cowboys Hall of Famer Troy Aikman.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Troy Aikman appeared on the Ticket in Dallas and gave
his assessment as to one thing that he sees as
an issue with the Dallas Cowboys. It's something we haven't
heard a lot of. But it's not Dak. Instead, it's
the wide receivers.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
I think the routes are terrible. I think they run
terrible routes, and I've thought that beyond this year, and
I think CD's got to improve in his route running.
And as a quarterback, if you're not certain where guys
are going to be consistently, it's hard to play the position.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Tang. You know, that's interesting that he would give a
gut shot to Ceedee Lamb after there's been so much
made about how frustrated it appears that Ceedee Lamb gets
with Dak Prescott. And now it's like kind of like
you get a goat putting it in the perspective that
he's putting it in, and he's holding those receivers, including
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Cede Lamb, accountable for the woes of this offense.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yet, listen, I don't know Troy to be an ardent
defender of quarterbacks like a lot of analysts have become.
So obviously that criticism is pretty sharp, but you would
think it comes from a place of like honesty. I
will tell you the biggest thing is since Troy went
to ESPN, he's been a lot more opinionated, I think,
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and talk a lot deeper in regards to the actual sport,
Whereas it was it seemed a little bit more vague
when he was just at Fox. But yeah, I mean,
some of that is quarterback defending, but some of that
is I'm sure based upon his film study what he sees.
And you know, CD, you can only get away with
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that for so long before it ends up hurting your team.
Here's Dak Press. Here's Dan Patrick talking about the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
I did see where Demarca's cousins, who won a championship
with the Lakers, said that the team drafting Brownie James,
they're not serious about winning. Okay, does he have a
point here because they used a late second round pick
on Lebron's son that they're not really serious. I think
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they got maybe a steel in Dalton connect in the
first round. Could you say that they brought in JJ Reddick?
Are they serious because they don't have somebody with coaching
experience or somebody who's friends with Lebron. I guess you
can always point the finger and say, uh, do they
need to do this? Why did they do that? You
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still have lebron You still have a d I mean
they have the nucleus there to be a competitive team,
a good team. Now, are they going to be the
class of the West. No, because you got to you
gotta worry about some of these other teams, like Houston
is coming up, Like you're gonna have to deal with
some of these other teams that you normally don't. Memphis
is going to be with John moranp do the Pelicans
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figure it out? Minnesota is going to be really good.
Denver is, you know, a good team. I don't think
they're a championship team anymore, but you know, the Suns
still have a nucleus. I mean, there's a lot going
on out here. But I don't think drafting Bronnie James
means you're not serious.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It sure feels a little bit that way, doesn't it.
It just means that your priorities aren't about winning championships.
And to anybody says, well, it's just a second round pick.
They could have had him without drafting him. Now, a
fifteenth roster spot may not have a ton of value
to everybody, but the fact is that they they they
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you know that's worth four million dollars in cash and
oh yeah, by the way, you can get a legit
prospect at that point, which they did not get. So
I don't think don't think that it shows it shows
conflicting agendas. Dalton connect is a mature player who can
score and play. Now, Okay, that's an agenda of trying
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to win now. But this is this is a as
a developmental project. You could have got him without drafting him.
So it doesn't make any sense that they're trying to
win championships and draft to Brunnie James. Here's Colin Cowhert
talking about the Dodgers.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
This series is over, well, not officially, it will be today.
It is a complete and utter talent mismatch nine eight nothing,
ten to two. They were doing it last night without
Freddie Freeman. No Biggie Hey, Mooky Betts go get four hits.
The Dodgers scored ten runs last night and still left
twelve runners on. The Mets are struggling to get them out.
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It's the Avengers against the romantic comedy. It's not the
same economy. The Dodgers' last six playoff games thirty one
plus thirty one run differential. And again that's without an
entire starting rotation on the shelf and an entire bullpen
on the shelf. But the Dodgers are also a great
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reminder and a great life lesson for sports and life.
Even the most talented, even the biggest payroll will have
obstin goals to overcome.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Sure, they've had a lot of injuries, especially they're starting pitching,
even Shoho Tani obviously, and they and they had, you know,
show he was in some form of a slump, so
was Mookie coming into the series. But they have figured
it out, obviously. Their pitching has been top notch, and
now their bats have awoken and they have really dominated
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the Mets thus far in the series. That's what the
Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
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Speaker 2 (12:40):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And now it's your annoying all right, Doug.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
So I get asked a lot why why does baseball
piss you off so much?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Why?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Why is this game that you've loved your entire life?
Why does it piss you off so much? And I
found a ready made tangible example last night. It was
the ninth inning, the Mets were down ten to two
and their third basement who hit a home run earlier
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in the game. He's actually had a couple of home
runs this series. He's the one guy on the Mets
team that seems to be hitting. He hits a single,
this little squibber up the medal. He gets on first
base and he starts doing this like celebration thing with
the I guess he does his first base coach, and
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then he points to right field and he does a gesture.
And I'm thinking, if there is a time to not
celebrate anything at all, it's when you're down ten runs
to two and the ninth inning and you just hit
a single. I think that there is a there's a
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obviously a generational thing with this that I'm gonna have
to reconcile that. And I'm probably I'm guessing you see
it in basketball too, where guys hit three pointers when
they're down twenty fives.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Everybody's got the three point celebration, no question.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So it's like, I guess I need to reconcile it
with myself, but I would love to know the answer
to why he did this. So I'm going to do
something that you have suggested not to do, which is
take nobody's on Twitter opinions and questions. But I will
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say this, these are people that listen to this podcast.
These are people that follow you and me on Twitter,
So they're not nobody's at David Prairie. Obviously you forgot that.
One sports are games and they are fun. Two, get
in a major league hit is hard, and it's okay
to enjoy it. I guess I need to remind David
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that for the first one hundred and twenty five years
of baseball, men would get singles, they would round the bag,
make sure the throw gets into second, they would lower
their head and go back to first. For the first
one and twenty five years of baseball. Only in the
last five to ten years did each person feel the
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need to signal to the dugout and celebrate when they
got singles. Getting a single in in baseball is hard
for you, David, it's not hard for major league players
that have been doing this their entire lives. Again, I'm
gonna have to reconcile it with myself because the game's
not going to go backwards. But for people that say,
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why does this game piss you off? Why are you
so upset just sitting there on your couch watching a
sporting event? And this is the this is one of
the examples.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
It's why do you think that is that we get
so upset in watching it?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I just spent three minutes explaining that.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
No. But again, but what for you, specifically, what's the
biggest reason you listened a couple different reasons. What's the
biggest one?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Because for one hundred and twenty five years of playing
the game, I think.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I think, Okay, I'm sorry to interrupt again, I was
kind of walking you down a path, so I apologize.
It's I can't tell if it's because we show the
hero shot. I'm trying to figure out why. I first
of all, like full disclosure, I agree with you, and
I tell me if you think this makes sense, guys,
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because if it doesn't, it's okay. You know, I've been
told by parents coaching youth sports, we got to celebrate
our dubs, celebrate our successes. And I do understand that,
especially for youth sports. But baseball, like baseball's a really
hard mental sport. You know, six times in ten you're
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not getting on base, even when you're a great player, right,
more than half the times you're at pat you're not
getting on base, and average players seven times in ten
you're not getting on base. So you get on base,
there's supposed to be some celebration. You get an A
and a test, there's supposed to be a celebration. I
disagree with that, but I'm told that i'm a curmudgeon,
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that I'm expecting too much, So yeah, I don't. I
gotta guess it comes from what we teach kids, which
is have fun, celebrate your little dubs. But I don't
know like we've had it. In football, wide receiver catches
the ball he's supposed to catch, and he gets tackled,
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and he jumps up and points to the first down. Thing, right,
even when they're down twenty points happens in basketball. You
hit a three, everybody's got a three point celebration. Whether
you're shooting the arrow, you know you're doing the land shark,
you're doing something. Baseball much the same. I think baseball
has in part some of it is like the little
kid thing, where we've told them to celebrate their WS
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and I think part of it is, you know, they've
watched NBA basketball, which is a look at me league,
and just like they have the three point celebration, we
have our I got it, you know, I have our
my single celebration. It's the only thing I can think of.
But I don't know why it's such as scorge in
professional athletics, but it definitely is.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And I don't know if I think it would take
somebody with some gravity, because I think the manager sure
can't do it, because the manager has put up with
it and he's in bolden these guys to do it,
it would take somebody with some old school gravity, maybe
like Dwight Gooden, somebody with like some history with the
Mets or David Wright to just pull them aside. And
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I would love to hear the answer to this question.
David Right, Yeah, last night, ten to two in the night,
you hit this little uh squibber up the middle, first
single and you got on first base and single, Like
what why did you? Why did you do that? And
I want to hear the answer, Like, I honestly want
to hear the answer like that. I'm not joking here.
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So last night was the Saints losing to the Broncos,
and I had it on the split screen, so I'm
not I'm not gonna talk about it in detail, but
it looked like a total dogshit game. And if everyone
is paying attention here, that makes three straight night primetime
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games that were regrettable dogshit games. Remember Monday Night with
all the penalties and just like starting stops, and then
Sunday Night was another forgettable game that I can't remember
who the hell played the game. It's three straight night games.
And the owners met this week and I saw Goodell
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quoted about a couple things, and obviously he wasn't quoted
or asked about the quality of play. Are you concerned
about the quality of play? No, because we're in Zuopa
and everybody's paying attention more than ever, the ratings are
up and everything like this. But at some point the
quality of play is going to have a negative impact
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on the sport. And I think it would take like
a simple response from Goodell like this, look, we hear you,
we agree with you. I've developed a commission to get
into it. That commission comes back with the answer, which
is likely they don't practice enough. Lack of practice leads
to two things. Bad quality of play, and you get
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injured more. Ironically enough, you get injured more when you
don't practice enough. And then they could actually take a look,
go to the union and say, look, I know we
collectively bargain this thing, but we need these guys to
work on the game more so that the product is better.
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And even though we're making in these revenues that are
through the roof right now, at some point they're going
to figure this out. Five years after Zuropa, I think
customers realize that that album was dog shit and they're
going to stop buying our product. So let's work on
it right now. Let's get to work on it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I agree with you. I was honestly, You've stimulated my
brain on this one for a while, and I think
I've come up with a little bit of what it is.
Do I think the lack of practice is part of it, Yeah,
But I think the biggest issue is how many how
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many like legitimate quality quarterbacks are there in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
We think ten, maybe ten to fifteen.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Fifteen, let's say fifteen. Right there's there's a handful of stars,
there's maybe one superstar right now, a handful of stars,
and then probably ten above average, really good competent at
their job, maybe even eighteen in the entire world. And
despite the fact that you know, there's more quarterback training,
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guys are throwing at a younger age, Despite all those things,
we still produce about the same number of top level quarterbacks,
no matter how much they're trained. And it reminds me
in many ways of the dilemma with basketball, right, Like,
if you look at how many players we produce, it's
about the same as it's ever been. The difference is
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the influx of the European player right has helped kind
of even and out so that the quality of basketball
I think continues to improve. There is no influx. And
I would also guess that you're probably losing players at
the youth level because of you know, fears of concussions
and all those other things. And you know, lots of
baseball has has suddenly grasped onto the pitchers that are
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six three and above, and many of those guys would
be quarterbacks. So I think the biggest issue is we
just don't produce enough good quarterbacks. And when you have,
I mean, you watched last night subpar quarterback play. You
got subpar quarterback play, and it doesn't matter what you do,
it's not going to end up working out.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
So this is so go ahead, this is what's going
to happen. Okay, this this is not being talked about.
It's not being talked about. You remember last year Tom
Brady came out and said that the product is dog shit,
and then he said something about the rules and receivers
not being able or being able to go across the middle,
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and then it became like a conversation about how the
rules protect offensive players. But no one took to what
he said said first to heart, which is the product
is worsening. That should have been a signal. But this
is what's going to happen. I think a lot of
people are going to pick up on this. You and
I are having this conversation, but I think it's going
to become trendy at some point to say that the
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NFL quality is as dog shit, and we're gonna see
like this magical thing happened. Remember when the Democratic Party
or whoever runs runs the country said that Joe Biden's
not going to be the candidate anymore, and then the
media all of a sudden started doing their jobs and
reporting White House leagues and shit, it's going to happen
to the NFL. People that matter are going to start
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reporting about this stuff, and then it's going to be
put on Roger Goodell's on his radar, and then there'll
be something to do with it. And then you and
I could say that we were talking about this way
before this happened.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I think that's accurate. I do feel like we're ahead
of it. I mean, I thought you were especially harsh
for a long time, and then I was flipping back
and forth last night and I was like, this is
like a preseason game. I can't even watch it. It
was really bad. What else?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
What else I think?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But one more point, I think the I think the
practice time and what you were saying about the quarterback
play is an innocent theory, is an innocent yet fixable theory.
The nefarious theory is that the quality of the NFL
started to go down as soon as gambling was made legal,
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and this shitty product that you're seeing is a product
of entities in the game being compromised, whether it be referees, coordinators,
assistant coaches, players, and the shitty quality is a product
of people trying to control the spread, control the scores,
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that theory should scare the fuck out of Roger Goodell.
And again, at some point they're all going to be
talking about it and we'll be out in front of it.
Last point, you already made your point about the Lakers.
Can we play what DeMarcus Cousin said about the Lakers
and BROWNI I.
Speaker 9 (25:58):
Don't really think the Lakers are there anymore.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
You know.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
I love everything that it stands for. I think you
know what bron is doing with his legacy and just
you know, as a businessman and everything that comes with it.
I think I think it's a beautiful thing. I think
it's really really dope. But as far as the Lakers
actually competing, I don't know. I take that as a
sign as they aren't really serious.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
And to repeat what you said, and what does Fox say,
I think that DeMarcus Cousin speaks for a lot of
people in the game that know the game. And I'm
going to keep going back to this one. I'm gonna
keep beating this trump. The Lakers have been whining to
us about their playing with Brownie and people not taking
you serious is your own fault, because not only did
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you draft Bronnie, which was laughable, you gave him all
that money, which is laughable, and then you've been trying
to tell Lakers fans that he's just a good player
that's going to be a great defensive player at some
point or whatever whatever excuses you're making.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's it's a weird thing. It's you cannot what is it,
You cannot serve two masters? I ever heard that one
You can't serve two masters. And in this the master
is trying to win and then trying to trying to
pacify Lebron James Ego and I've been on this for
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a long time. As you know, Jase two has nothing
to do with watching him play in the Summer League
or watching him play in the preseason, which he had
was a negative forty four. It's like, look, you know,
if you want to send a guy to the G
League and have him try and have him developed. I mean,
Dwayne Wade basically bought a G League team and had
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got him a small portion of ownership with Utah Jas
so his son could play in the G League. They
were awful. His son's not good enough, he's not as
good as as Brownie is, but the outcome was the same.
I don't have any problem with that, But for an
NBA team, remember the draft pick alone is worth in
the four million dollar variety. When they say, like somebody
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sold a second round draftick, at that point, it's like
four million dollars. Because second round draft picks don't count
a cans the cap. There's a value there. I would
have to agree. I do think they think they want
to win. They think the things they're doing makes them better.
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They think they're better coach this year because they have
they have better plays. Do I think that JJ could
be a better coach?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, sure, why not? But he's as of now. The
only difference is they're running a lot more creative plays.
That's awesome. But the expression that everybody I know in
basketball talks about his players, not plays, you know. And
I don't think they got any players to change their trajectory.
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I really did. As for the Brunning debate, you and
I have been lockstep in this. It doesn't mean that
they don't want to win, but it just means that
they have too many and there is at least one
agenda that has nothing to do with winning, and that's
keeping Lebron James happy.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
So we got the Lakers and we got the NFL
product and the celebrations over singles and tended to ballgames.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I think the NFL product, I think that's something that
I'm going to credit you. You've been on before anybody else.
I'm starting to come around to it. It was really
bad last night, and I do think eventually we'll look
like the smartest people in sports that we've been talking
about how inferior this NFL product seems to be at
this point in time, So to the NFL product being subpart?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Well, somebody at City Field didn't appreciate the product of
their own mets last night.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
The first Series game, hysterical.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
That's on live TV, by the way.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
The first World Series game. Yeah, that's great, hysterical, absolutely hysterical.
You all fucking suck ah New York. The dulcet sounds
of the fan base three hundred million dollars pissed down
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the drain. Well, I can't play for you because we can't.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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you to Jays two last night, wasn't it? And I
was watching it and obviously clearly you've motivated. You've changed
the trajectory of Mookie bets I ten to two. That
game wasn't close. They just kept churning up runs, churning
up walks. But Mookie bets four for six, and of
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course it's all helped out when show here Tony leads
off the home run. I believe yesterday you said I
don't really get why he leads often? She said, was
that you yesterday?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Well, he was over twenty five with nobody on, so
I'm like, why are they leading them off? But it
was kind of in jest. And then the first first
at bat last ninety breaks that street.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, why are they leading him off? What's the answer to.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Then, well, the answer there is to maximum the number
of at bats he gets over the course of time.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, correct, correct, So pretty impressive stuff. Though. Is the
series over?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I sure hope, so, I sure hope it's over. This
Dodger team has been the antithesis of the teams we
have seen since twenty sixteen. This Dodger team seems to close,
seems to close games. It seems to have like a
Kobe Killer instinct, don't let up. It's very different than
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past teams. So if they're consistent in that, they'll close
it out tonight and not fuck around, right. I just
don't want them to kind of like fall back into
Dodger tendencies. Jack Flaherty has been an amazing pickup. People
forget he couldn't find the plate. I think just two
or three years ago at the Cardinals, he was a mess.
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He was a mess before he got traded away, and
I keep kind of waiting for him to revert back
to that Jack flaherty. But he's been amazing. So there's
my answer.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I am I just I'm sitting there going like, man,
I can't believe Jay Stwo has had his pennies and
a bunch about this team, and I know you pay
attention to day to day, and I know that most
of it is based upon the fact that you know
that team better than anybody else. And it did look
bad against the Padres, it did look bad late in
the season, but man, they've been impressive. The other thing, though,
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I would point out, is I'm not gonna sit here
and put my head in the sand and say analytics
is dormits nerds, it's whatever. But analytics doesn't it isn't
able to track emotions. You know. It doesn't talk about momentum.
You know, it's just the data of the data of
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the data, the data. And when you have the hype
of a New York City game, you have the energy
of coming off of They didn't they didn't score a run.
You know, I haven't scored a run in either of
the two losses. And you've done a pretty good job
against show Hey, especially with nobody on base, and the
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game starts and you're down one nothing with the best
player in the history of baseball rounding the basis, that
just changes everything. I don't care how much you think
you can get it back, it just feels way different
when you're down one to nothing, and to me, it's
a lot like I've talked about this with an ace
in baseball, like you can't necessarily quantify what it means.
But when the house is on fire and the ace
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grabs the ball and gets you one win, it's only
one win in one sixty two, but it does stabilize everything.
The same thing for show Heyo Tani. Not that the
Dodgers were in a bad place up two games to
one on the road, but he gets to the plate,
he hits a towery home run, and all of a sudden,
any pressure that any Dodger feels is gone, simply gone.
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And I just I was watching last night thinking Jase
Tuo freaked out about nothing, and when show Hey hits
a home run to start the game, it completely changed
the whole feeling of the game. The same thing is true,
by the way, in basketball. You know, it's like people
talk about percentages of shots whatever, and look, you can
go two of eight from three, but you hit those
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first two, and all of a sudden, every defensive guy
ever is looking for who's that guy who hit those
two threes? And last night when it shoe Heyo Tani,
and he had been quieted for the most part. Definitely
quieted in the previous series and somewhat in this series,
although he got in loose a little bit and all
of a sudden he's rounding the bases. I thought that
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game was over after that hit.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I mean, you, I think that you are onto something.
This is what I've been thinking the entire time. So
that was kind of a microcosm of the entire last
what the last two games of the of the Division
series and then this series. The Dodgers have gotten up
pretty quick, and when you're it is such a different
monster when you're pitching with the lead. So you can
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give all the credit you want to how Dave Roberts
has managed the bullpen and getting these clutch pitching performances
from Bueller and Last Night Yamamoto, but it is such
a different thing when you're pitching from ahead. You know,
there's a different confidence level.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You take more risks, absolutely, especially you know you can
go up there, especially if you know you have no
runners on you can go after guys. So you can't
go after guys. So I mean, like, listen, the pitching
gets credit unto itself, but when you're up, when you're
playing from ahead and the best player in baseball, Like,
that's one of those things that that's why you haven't
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laid off, because it does. It probably happens, you know,
ten times a year, but I would I would guess
in the in the ten times or how many times
he's led off the game with a home run, maybe
it's five. They probably won every one of those games.
It's a it's a weird thing. It's a strange psychology,
but it definitely puts fear in your head, in your heart.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
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the Fox Says and now.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Every day at this time in the Bonus podcast, we
played for your portshit of previous show on Fox Sports
Tradio or Fox Sports One. We call it was does
the Fox Say? This is Jonas Stocks and LaVar Arrington
talking about the Cowboys and the recent criticism of their
offense by Cowboys Hall of Famer Troy Aikman.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Troy Aikman appeared on the Ticket in Dallas and gave
his assessment as to one thing that he sees as
an issue with the Dallas Cowboys. It's something we haven't
heard a lot of. But it's not Dak. Instead, it's
the wide receivers.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
I think the routes are terrible. I think they run
terrible routes, and I've thought that beyond this year, and
I think CD's got to improve in his route running.
And as a quarterback, if you're not certain where guys
are going to be consistently, it's hard to play the position.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Tang. You know, that's interesting that he would give a
gut shot to Ceedee Lamb after there's been so much
made about how frustrated it appears that Ceedee Lamb gets
with Dak Prescott. And now it's like kind of like
you get a goat putting it in the perspective that
he's putting it in, and he's holding those receivers, including
(07:43):
Cede Lamb, accountable for the woes of this offense.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yet, listen, I don't know Troy to be an ardent
defender of quarterbacks like a lot of analysts have become.
So obviously that criticism is pretty sharp, but you would
think it comes from a place of like honesty. I
will tell you the biggest thing is since Troy went
to ESPN, he's been a lot more opinionated, I think,
(08:13):
and talk a lot deeper in regards to the actual sport,
Whereas it was it seemed a little bit more vague
when he was just at Fox. But yeah, I mean,
some of that is quarterback defending, but some of that
is I'm sure based upon his film study what he sees.
And you know, CD, you can only get away with
(08:34):
that for so long before it ends up hurting your team.
Here's Dak Press. Here's Dan Patrick talking about the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
I did see where Demarca's cousins, who won a championship
with the Lakers, said that the team drafting Brownie James,
they're not serious about winning. Okay, does he have a
point here because they used a late second round pick
on Lebron's son that they're not really serious. I think
(09:01):
they got maybe a steel in Dalton connect in the
first round. Could you say that they brought in JJ Reddick?
Are they serious because they don't have somebody with coaching
experience or somebody who's friends with Lebron. I guess you
can always point the finger and say, uh, do they
need to do this? Why did they do that? You
(09:21):
still have lebron You still have a d I mean
they have the nucleus there to be a competitive team,
a good team. Now, are they going to be the
class of the West. No, because you got to you
gotta worry about some of these other teams, like Houston
is coming up, Like you're gonna have to deal with
some of these other teams that you normally don't. Memphis
is going to be with John moranp do the Pelicans
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figure it out? Minnesota is going to be really good.
Denver is, you know, a good team. I don't think
they're a championship team anymore, but you know, the Suns
still have a nucleus. I mean, there's a lot going
on out here. But I don't think drafting Bronnie James
means you're not serious.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It sure feels a little bit that way, doesn't it.
It just means that your priorities aren't about winning championships.
And to anybody says, well, it's just a second round pick.
They could have had him without drafting him. Now, a
fifteenth roster spot may not have a ton of value
to everybody, but the fact is that they they they
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you know that's worth four million dollars in cash and
oh yeah, by the way, you can get a legit
prospect at that point, which they did not get. So
I don't think don't think that it shows it shows
conflicting agendas. Dalton connect is a mature player who can
score and play. Now, Okay, that's an agenda of trying
(10:51):
to win now. But this is this is a as
a developmental project. You could have got him without drafting him.
So it doesn't make any sense that they're trying to
win championships and draft to Brunnie James. Here's Colin Cowhert
talking about the Dodgers.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
This series is over, well, not officially, it will be today.
It is a complete and utter talent mismatch nine eight nothing,
ten to two. They were doing it last night without
Freddie Freeman. No Biggie Hey, Mooky Betts go get four hits.
The Dodgers scored ten runs last night and still left
twelve runners on. The Mets are struggling to get them out.
(11:28):
It's the Avengers against the romantic comedy. It's not the
same economy. The Dodgers' last six playoff games thirty one
plus thirty one run differential. And again that's without an
entire starting rotation on the shelf and an entire bullpen
on the shelf. But the Dodgers are also a great
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reminder and a great life lesson for sports and life.
Even the most talented, even the biggest payroll will have
obstin goals to overcome.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Sure, they've had a lot of injuries, especially they're starting pitching,
even Shoho Tani obviously, and they and they had, you know,
show he was in some form of a slump, so
was Mookie coming into the series. But they have figured
it out, obviously. Their pitching has been top notch, and
now their bats have awoken and they have really dominated
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the Mets thus far in the series. That's what the
Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
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Speaker 2 (12:40):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And now it's your annoying all right, Doug.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
So I get asked a lot why why does baseball
piss you off so much?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Why?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Why is this game that you've loved your entire life?
Why does it piss you off so much? And I
found a ready made tangible example last night. It was
the ninth inning, the Mets were down ten to two
and their third basement who hit a home run earlier
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in the game. He's actually had a couple of home
runs this series. He's the one guy on the Mets
team that seems to be hitting. He hits a single,
this little squibber up the medal. He gets on first
base and he starts doing this like celebration thing with
the I guess he does his first base coach, and
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then he points to right field and he does a gesture.
And I'm thinking, if there is a time to not
celebrate anything at all, it's when you're down ten runs
to two and the ninth inning and you just hit
a single. I think that there is a there's a
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obviously a generational thing with this that I'm gonna have
to reconcile that. And I'm probably I'm guessing you see
it in basketball too, where guys hit three pointers when
they're down twenty fives.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Everybody's got the three point celebration, no question.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So it's like, I guess I need to reconcile it
with myself, but I would love to know the answer
to why he did this. So I'm going to do
something that you have suggested not to do, which is
take nobody's on Twitter opinions and questions. But I will
(14:34):
say this, these are people that listen to this podcast.
These are people that follow you and me on Twitter,
So they're not nobody's at David Prairie. Obviously you forgot that.
One sports are games and they are fun. Two, get
in a major league hit is hard, and it's okay
to enjoy it. I guess I need to remind David
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that for the first one hundred and twenty five years
of baseball, men would get singles, they would round the bag,
make sure the throw gets into second, they would lower
their head and go back to first. For the first
one and twenty five years of baseball. Only in the
last five to ten years did each person feel the
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need to signal to the dugout and celebrate when they
got singles. Getting a single in in baseball is hard
for you, David, it's not hard for major league players
that have been doing this their entire lives. Again, I'm
gonna have to reconcile it with myself because the game's
not going to go backwards. But for people that say,
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why does this game piss you off? Why are you
so upset just sitting there on your couch watching a
sporting event? And this is the this is one of
the examples.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
It's why do you think that is that we get
so upset in watching it?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I just spent three minutes explaining that.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
No. But again, but what for you, specifically, what's the
biggest reason you listened a couple different reasons. What's the
biggest one?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Because for one hundred and twenty five years of playing
the game, I think.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I think, Okay, I'm sorry to interrupt again, I was
kind of walking you down a path, so I apologize.
It's I can't tell if it's because we show the
hero shot. I'm trying to figure out why. I first
of all, like full disclosure, I agree with you, and
I tell me if you think this makes sense, guys,
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because if it doesn't, it's okay. You know, I've been
told by parents coaching youth sports, we got to celebrate
our dubs, celebrate our successes. And I do understand that,
especially for youth sports. But baseball, like baseball's a really
hard mental sport. You know, six times in ten you're
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not getting on base, even when you're a great player, right,
more than half the times you're at pat you're not
getting on base, and average players seven times in ten
you're not getting on base. So you get on base,
there's supposed to be some celebration. You get an A
and a test, there's supposed to be a celebration. I
disagree with that, but I'm told that i'm a curmudgeon,
(17:20):
that I'm expecting too much, So yeah, I don't. I
gotta guess it comes from what we teach kids, which
is have fun, celebrate your little dubs. But I don't
know like we've had it. In football, wide receiver catches
the ball he's supposed to catch, and he gets tackled,
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and he jumps up and points to the first down. Thing, right,
even when they're down twenty points happens in basketball. You
hit a three, everybody's got a three point celebration. Whether
you're shooting the arrow, you know you're doing the land shark,
you're doing something. Baseball much the same. I think baseball
has in part some of it is like the little
kid thing, where we've told them to celebrate their WS
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and I think part of it is, you know, they've
watched NBA basketball, which is a look at me league,
and just like they have the three point celebration, we
have our I got it, you know, I have our
my single celebration. It's the only thing I can think of.
But I don't know why it's such as scorge in
professional athletics, but it definitely is.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And I don't know if I think it would take
somebody with some gravity, because I think the manager sure
can't do it, because the manager has put up with
it and he's in bolden these guys to do it,
it would take somebody with some old school gravity, maybe
like Dwight Gooden, somebody with like some history with the
Mets or David Wright to just pull them aside. And
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I would love to hear the answer to this question.
David Right, Yeah, last night, ten to two in the night,
you hit this little uh squibber up the middle, first
single and you got on first base and single, Like
what why did you? Why did you do that? And
I want to hear the answer, Like, I honestly want
to hear the answer like that. I'm not joking here.
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So last night was the Saints losing to the Broncos,
and I had it on the split screen, so I'm
not I'm not gonna talk about it in detail, but
it looked like a total dogshit game. And if everyone
is paying attention here, that makes three straight night primetime
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games that were regrettable dogshit games. Remember Monday Night with
all the penalties and just like starting stops, and then
Sunday Night was another forgettable game that I can't remember
who the hell played the game. It's three straight night games.
And the owners met this week and I saw Goodell
(19:53):
quoted about a couple things, and obviously he wasn't quoted
or asked about the quality of play. Are you concerned
about the quality of play? No, because we're in Zuopa
and everybody's paying attention more than ever, the ratings are
up and everything like this. But at some point the
quality of play is going to have a negative impact
(20:15):
on the sport. And I think it would take like
a simple response from Goodell like this, look, we hear you,
we agree with you. I've developed a commission to get
into it. That commission comes back with the answer, which
is likely they don't practice enough. Lack of practice leads
to two things. Bad quality of play, and you get
(20:38):
injured more. Ironically enough, you get injured more when you
don't practice enough. And then they could actually take a look,
go to the union and say, look, I know we
collectively bargain this thing, but we need these guys to
work on the game more so that the product is better.
(20:58):
And even though we're making in these revenues that are
through the roof right now, at some point they're going
to figure this out. Five years after Zuropa, I think
customers realize that that album was dog shit and they're
going to stop buying our product. So let's work on
it right now. Let's get to work on it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I agree with you. I was honestly, You've stimulated my
brain on this one for a while, and I think
I've come up with a little bit of what it is.
Do I think the lack of practice is part of it, Yeah,
But I think the biggest issue is how many how
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many like legitimate quality quarterbacks are there in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
We think ten, maybe ten to fifteen.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Fifteen, let's say fifteen. Right there's there's a handful of stars,
there's maybe one superstar right now, a handful of stars,
and then probably ten above average, really good competent at
their job, maybe even eighteen in the entire world. And
despite the fact that you know, there's more quarterback training,
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guys are throwing at a younger age, Despite all those things,
we still produce about the same number of top level quarterbacks,
no matter how much they're trained. And it reminds me
in many ways of the dilemma with basketball, right, Like,
if you look at how many players we produce, it's
about the same as it's ever been. The difference is
(22:34):
the influx of the European player right has helped kind
of even and out so that the quality of basketball
I think continues to improve. There is no influx. And
I would also guess that you're probably losing players at
the youth level because of you know, fears of concussions
and all those other things. And you know, lots of
baseball has has suddenly grasped onto the pitchers that are
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six three and above, and many of those guys would
be quarterbacks. So I think the biggest issue is we
just don't produce enough good quarterbacks. And when you have,
I mean, you watched last night subpar quarterback play. You
got subpar quarterback play, and it doesn't matter what you do,
it's not going to end up working out.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
So this is so go ahead, this is what's going
to happen. Okay, this this is not being talked about.
It's not being talked about. You remember last year Tom
Brady came out and said that the product is dog shit,
and then he said something about the rules and receivers
not being able or being able to go across the middle,
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and then it became like a conversation about how the
rules protect offensive players. But no one took to what
he said said first to heart, which is the product
is worsening. That should have been a signal. But this
is what's going to happen. I think a lot of
people are going to pick up on this. You and
I are having this conversation, but I think it's going
to become trendy at some point to say that the
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NFL quality is as dog shit, and we're gonna see
like this magical thing happened. Remember when the Democratic Party
or whoever runs runs the country said that Joe Biden's
not going to be the candidate anymore, and then the
media all of a sudden started doing their jobs and
reporting White House leagues and shit, it's going to happen
to the NFL. People that matter are going to start
(24:21):
reporting about this stuff, and then it's going to be
put on Roger Goodell's on his radar, and then there'll
be something to do with it. And then you and
I could say that we were talking about this way
before this happened.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I think that's accurate. I do feel like we're ahead
of it. I mean, I thought you were especially harsh
for a long time, and then I was flipping back
and forth last night and I was like, this is
like a preseason game. I can't even watch it. It
was really bad. What else?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
What else I think?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But one more point, I think the I think the
practice time and what you were saying about the quarterback
play is an innocent theory, is an innocent yet fixable theory.
The nefarious theory is that the quality of the NFL
started to go down as soon as gambling was made legal,
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and this shitty product that you're seeing is a product
of entities in the game being compromised, whether it be referees, coordinators,
assistant coaches, players, and the shitty quality is a product
of people trying to control the spread, control the scores,
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that theory should scare the fuck out of Roger Goodell.
And again, at some point they're all going to be
talking about it and we'll be out in front of it.
Last point, you already made your point about the Lakers.
Can we play what DeMarcus Cousin said about the Lakers
and BROWNI I.
Speaker 9 (25:58):
Don't really think the Lakers are there anymore.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
You know.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
I love everything that it stands for. I think you
know what bron is doing with his legacy and just
you know, as a businessman and everything that comes with it.
I think I think it's a beautiful thing. I think
it's really really dope. But as far as the Lakers
actually competing, I don't know. I take that as a
sign as they aren't really serious.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
And to repeat what you said, and what does Fox say,
I think that DeMarcus Cousin speaks for a lot of
people in the game that know the game. And I'm
going to keep going back to this one. I'm gonna
keep beating this trump. The Lakers have been whining to
us about their playing with Brownie and people not taking
you serious is your own fault, because not only did
(26:44):
you draft Bronnie, which was laughable, you gave him all
that money, which is laughable, and then you've been trying
to tell Lakers fans that he's just a good player
that's going to be a great defensive player at some
point or whatever whatever excuses you're making.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's it's a weird thing. It's you cannot what is it,
You cannot serve two masters? I ever heard that one
You can't serve two masters. And in this the master
is trying to win and then trying to trying to
pacify Lebron James Ego and I've been on this for
(27:19):
a long time. As you know, Jase two has nothing
to do with watching him play in the Summer League
or watching him play in the preseason, which he had
was a negative forty four. It's like, look, you know,
if you want to send a guy to the G
League and have him try and have him developed. I mean,
Dwayne Wade basically bought a G League team and had
(27:41):
got him a small portion of ownership with Utah Jas
so his son could play in the G League. They
were awful. His son's not good enough, he's not as
good as as Brownie is, but the outcome was the same.
I don't have any problem with that, But for an
NBA team, remember the draft pick alone is worth in
the four million dollar variety. When they say, like somebody
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sold a second round draftick, at that point, it's like
four million dollars. Because second round draft picks don't count
a cans the cap. There's a value there. I would
have to agree. I do think they think they want
to win. They think the things they're doing makes them better.
(28:23):
They think they're better coach this year because they have
they have better plays. Do I think that JJ could
be a better coach?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, sure, why not? But he's as of now. The
only difference is they're running a lot more creative plays.
That's awesome. But the expression that everybody I know in
basketball talks about his players, not plays, you know. And
I don't think they got any players to change their trajectory.
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I really did. As for the Brunning debate, you and
I have been lockstep in this. It doesn't mean that
they don't want to win, but it just means that
they have too many and there is at least one
agenda that has nothing to do with winning, and that's
keeping Lebron James happy.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
So we got the Lakers and we got the NFL
product and the celebrations over singles and tended to ballgames.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I think the NFL product, I think that's something that
I'm going to credit you. You've been on before anybody else.
I'm starting to come around to it. It was really
bad last night, and I do think eventually we'll look
like the smartest people in sports that we've been talking
about how inferior this NFL product seems to be at
this point in time, So to the NFL product being subpart?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Well, somebody at City Field didn't appreciate the product of
their own mets last night.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
The first Series game, hysterical.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
That's on live TV, by the way.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
The first World Series game. Yeah, that's great, hysterical, absolutely hysterical.
You all fucking suck ah New York. The dulcet sounds
of the fan base three hundred million dollars pissed down
(30:35):
the drain. Well, I can't play for you because we can't.
That's it for the end of the Modus podcast. Check
out the radio show every day three to six, Season twelve,
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