December 3, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug goes off on people who think the plant flagging in college football is offensive. Doug welcomes Kelley Ford from KFordRatings.com to chat about the latest in college football. Doug reacts to Jonas Knox's take on the Chicago Bears. Plus, Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug Gottling.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What Up Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
In the bonus Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app Welcome in.
We talked about this a little bit in the on
the radio show, but since this is the podcast, a
little bit different, I wasn't on the show yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Look full disclosure.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
We play tomorrow in Indianapolis, our first league game, and
there is a part of that which we again we
got to on the radio show, but I'll get to
here as well, which is nobody actually pays attention to
schedules because they actually do matter. But regardless of the point.
So I didn't get to chime in on the flag
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planting thing. Flag planting thing. And here's here's what I
think is at play. Okay, there's a Porsche to people,
and I think these people wear Jay stew Out a
lot because he's reacting. He reacts poorly to he says
they're woke or whatever. There is a portion of people
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that are woke. There's also a portion of people that
were probably picked on in the eighties and nineties and
they thought it was super unfair and I thought it
was super mean, and we use words that we don't
use anymore, and like, look, I'm not disputing the fact
that kids in the eighties and nineties could be dicks.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
They just were. They can be dicks now too.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But there's certain words and ways in which we said
things and people we made fun of that just you
don't do anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Some of those things. We've the pendulum swings.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We went from way too hardcore just talk shit and
make fun of people who weren't like mainstream, to now
you can't even have fun with anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I think sports are different. I just do.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I don't think sports comes with all of the other
stuff in life where we're trying to protect people from
because there's the old man in the arena. If you
don't want this smoke, then don't step on the fucking
football field. Like, here's the thing. I went to Ohio
State last Monday. We played Ohio State. That game is everything,
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and trust me, all of those Ohio State players there's.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Video of them talking all kinds of shit. This was
the year they cross out every m on campus. Right,
they don't even mentioned that school from up north, and
then they get beat in their own building. They get
humiliated in the fourth court.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
They can't move the football at all against Michigan, and
Michigan has seniors who have never lost to Ohio State.
You lose the game, and now you want to plant
the flag, and you're like, no, no, no, no, no, that
is offensive. That's not fucking offensive. That's football.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You lost, Get the fuck off the field.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
If you want to do your Alma moter thing and
join hand's great. And again like, look, guys, that were
dickheads from Michigan. There's the one who threw the water bottle.
That's not okay, okay, there's the there's the guy there
was like two flags. There's not a flag, and you're
like flying in people's states, like, that's dickhead bullshit, don't
do that.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But the planting the flag in the middle of the field,
I got no problem with. It's victory. It's victory.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
The only thing, the only way in which I would say, hey,
let's not plant flags is if we have flagpoles on
every field and if you lose, the victor can go
over to the flagpole and put their flag up, much
like the pirate flag, much like every country. Ever, when
you go and win, you get to lunch it. That
becomes your property. That's how it works.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
And again we're not saying people like are you're relating
it to war? Gottlab, that's just too much. That's a
football game, No shit, asshole. We all realize it's not
real war. We're not idiots. Nobody should die because of it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
That's where we're like, dude, now you're becoming the what's
the word I'm allowed to use? Now I'm not sure
what words I'm allowed to use the person who's way
too soft and way too sensitive to be associated with sports.
We know it's not war. It is a battle. It's
just not a battle to the death. Yet, dumb ass,
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stop fucking making me making it like I'm saying something
which we all don't know to be completely true. Well
we all know to be true, right. The issue is this,
if you don't like it, win the game.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Win the game, well you can celebrate.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Now. Look, I don't think you go and smush the
other team's logo. That's dumb, dumb football guy.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Shit.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Okay, I don't think you need to make gestures at
fans other than by you can wait by or scoreboard.
But planning a flag which happened at like six of
the rivalry games this week. I see nothing wrong with
and many of the same guys who got their asses
kicked during the football game suddenly now well now they
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want to defend their precious football field from a flag.
I gotta tell you here's the deal. Win the game,
razor flag, plant the flag, don't care if you don't
like it, go back to rule one, win the game.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
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Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, let's welcome him in.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
He joins us every week and he gives us his
update on his current bracket, on his most deserving teams,
and we try and figure out what's what in the
college football landscape. He's the one only Kelly Ford. K
ford Ratings dot Com is, of course, the website you
can go to. You can to fall them on social media, Kelly,
(06:02):
I do want your opinion for people who don't know Kelly. Also,
his day job is working for the Horizon League. What
is your opinion of the flag planting? Flag planting?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
So you've set me up here, Doug as you say,
I'm a college athletic administrator. I feel like it's probably
not appropriate for me to have this opinion, But personally
I do not have an issue with the flag plant
metaphorically on your field. Then take care of it on
the field. Now, any damage that is, any damage that
has caused, I would say they would be responsible for,
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you know, if it's a turf field. But I personally
don't have an issue with the flag planting. Quite honestly, I.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Don't either, and I think, like, listen, I understand, it's
not real war, it's not real battle. There is a
certain capture of the flag element to it, right, but
it does go back to our most primal fighting sense,
which is when you win. And maybe we should eliminate
planting the flag and simply have a flag pole where
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when you win you get to raise the flag, even
on your opponent's field.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
But since she is to go ahead, do the victor
go the spoils. That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I completely agree. I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Look, and I've had people go like, well you lost
at home Saturday, Like, no, it sucks, it really sucks.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You know what you can do, go out and when
the next one, you know, I just.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
I completely agree with you.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I actually, I actually take the biggest issue with the
opposing teams, Like, okay, now you want to fight.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Where right?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
We just battled on the field. We just battled on
the court for sixty minutes, forty minutes whatever sport we're
talking about, and we came out victorious. Therefore we can
do what we want. You don't like it. You just
had your chance to beat us and you didn't do it.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I'm completely and totally with you. It is the Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's let's get to
the the your ratings. How similar are your ratings to
the college football ratings rankings?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So last week we talked about on the show the
Committee's top twelve tier. Sorry, the committee twelve teams in
the playoff not necessarily their top twelve match the twelve
teams that I would have had in the playoffs. I
am not sure that's going to be the case this week.
Of course, we will see tonight what the Committee does.
I still have Arizona State as the Big twelve projected
champion for now, higher ranked than Boise State. I actually
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have Iowa State higher rank than Boise State as well,
so I believe the Committee is giving Boise State a
little bit too much credit for the resume they have.
I would have Boise as the highest rank group of
five champions, which would put them in the twelve spot.
Of course, the Committee has them in the four seed
right now, so that's one difference. The other one does
based on my most deserving rankings, which is looking at
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how much have you achieved relative to what would be
expected for you to achieve given the schedule you've played.
I think the Committee is still going to have Ohio
State in the field and maybe even hosting a playoff game.
My most deserving ranking suggests that the Buckeyes would actually
be the first team out. Which team would I have
in that the Committee likely won't. I think that's going
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to be South Carolina. I think South Carolina is going
to be outside the Committee's field. My numbers show that
their nine and three record is stronger against the schedule
they played than Ohio State ten and two against their schedule.
I do think the Committee will have nine and three
Alabama in the field, and I would agree with that.
I think they should be in as well.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I do as well.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm going to discrete, then Ohio State and maybe this
is maybe we're getting too much in the weeds, but
like this goes to the old NCAA tournament. What have
you done against the field? Right which is I think
a final kind of determining factor. Granted it doesn't you know,
shouldn't wipe off the loss to Michigan, especially it being
at home. But if you think about it, like, Okay,
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do you have Indiana in the field.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I do as of right now, and Penn State. I
know where you're going, baxt right.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
So you Organ is arguably the number it's the number
one overall seed right now. They lost by a point
on Organ's home field. They beat Penn State on their field,
and they demolished Indiana the week before, being Michigan there.
You know, if you want to go strength to schedule,
I can't think of one. Granted, their non conference strength
schedule is not strong, but that's because I mean then
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their their in conference schedule is very strong. And you
know they did they lost to one team in the
field by a point. Is the number one seed, and
then they've beaten two teams that are in the field.
I don't see how you I don't see how you
reward a boy See or some of these other programs
and not reward Ohio State and and and honestly in Alabama.
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You know Alabama, didn't you know? They only play eight games,
but they play a high, high level foe with that other.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Non conference game.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Okay, so the four buys, the four buys as of now,
who do you have having the four buys for me?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I would have the four buys going to Oregon Tech
SIS SMU, which I think the committee's going to have
those as well. Now I've been on SMU for a while,
the committee had Miami in there. The fourth one for
me is Arizona State as of right now, and actually, Doug,
as I mentioned, I think that based on my most
deserving rankings and what again, what I'm doing there is
how much have you achieved relative to expected given the
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schedule you've played. I am going to have the winner
of Arizona State Iowa State with a more impressive resume,
likely one more loss, but a more impressive resume than
Boise State. And let's not just assume Boidi State is
going to win their rematch against UNLD, but I think
if Boise State wins against UNLD, the Committee's going to
have them in their top four with a BUYE. I
don't believe that Boise, based on their resume, would deserve
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that over the Big twelve champion. What gets really interesting, Doug,
is what is cleansing BEATINGMU?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You just have along in the field.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I'm going to disagree that they belong as the top
four seed, Like, who have they actually beaten?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know? Who have they beaten? You know?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And if they don't win, they're not in field. If
they do win, they're in the field, but they're going
to get a buy.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I don't think the committee will do that. I think
that the if the if SMU loses to Clemson, I
think Clemson, well gee, let's think about it, because they'd
be compared against well it might be Army right or
two Lane, So yeah, I mean they would I suppose
they would be getting one of those buys, which is
absolutely ridiculous because they're a team. If they lose this,
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they're not even close to being in the field. That's
the biggest problem that we have here, Doug, with the
not just automatic qualifiers, but in the buy system. I
would argue, if you if you really want to have
the aqs okay, but let's get then you know, you
got your five aqs. Let's then take those five teams,
the seven highest, that largest, and then let's rank them
there one through twelve. I think this buy system is
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throwing so much chaos. It's going to create such an
imbalanced bracket that in many years it's going to be advantageous, yes,
to be the five seed over the one, But in
some years, like if Clemson wins, in some years it
might the advantageous to be the sixth seed over the
one because of who you'd be playing, not just in
the first round, but then that three seed there in
the next round. So I think the buy structure in
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the way that the seeding is set up, is really
set up for failure, and I think we're probably going
to see changes to that in the future.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
What do you do with Miami?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I think Miami's out, Doug, I really do so. In
my most deserving I had Miami number six last week.
They have fallen into number fourteen, which puts them outside
the field. I'm just doing some quick back of Napkin
mats here. I believe the committee is going to drop
Miami behind Alabama, and at least Alabama, perhaps Old Miss,
perhaps South Carolina, but at least Alabama. And if they
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are behind Alabama tonight, I do not believe there is
any way for Miami to get back into this field.
They just if you really scrutinize their resume, and for
so long they were highly ranked by the committe because
they hadn' lost. Well, they've lost these two games here
in the last three week, last four weeks, they had
a buy in there, and neither one of these losses
are quote good losses. On the road at Georgia Tech,
who's the five lost team, on the road at Syracuse who, yes,
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is a three loss team. But you look at their schedule.
Who have they played really nobody? I mean, they lost
a pit they lost the Stanford at home, they lost
to Boston College. I don't think Miami, even if they
are one of the twelve quote best teams, and even
if they have one of the best offenses in the country.
I have the number one on the offensive side of
the ball, this resume just doesn't hold up. And I
don't believe Miami is going to find themselves in the playoffs.
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This year because of this late season collapse.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I think Look, I think they're fools gold to be
honest with you, they should have lost Virginia Tech, Cal
Louisville all three of those games, and then you know,
Florida stateon Duke just aren't good enough to beat him,
and then you know, you know, then we see Georgia
Tech and Syracuse. I mean, they played a soft schedule.
It's not their fault that Florida sucked, but Florida did stink,
especially at that point in time of the year, and
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probably should have been beating and maybe, honestly, like it's
one of those things I would I'd really been interesting
to talk to their staff. They probably would. I tell you, like, man,
we wish we would have lost that game because we
probably would have improved more because we were playing with fire.
But they they got themselves, They got themselves burned. What
is who is going to be the surprise team Ole
Miss South Carolina? Right now, you're thinking Alabama. Who's the
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surprise team that gets gets in once we have the
actual field?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
If yeah, if I had to get right now, Alabama
is the only three loss team in I think the
first couple of teams out are going to be your
old Mitch, your South Carolina or Miami. Of course, Arizona State,
Iowa State. One of them is going to get in
by winning the Big twelve. I'm not sure that we're
gonna get a surprise outside of that, Doug, I think
you know what gets interesting. Of course, like we talked about,
if SMU loses to Clemton, the question is going to
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become does SMU with two losses, one of them being
in the ACC championship game? Do they get in? Or
does the nine and three Alabama who didn't play in
the SEC title games to Vegas? And that could be
an interesting conversation. I think the resume metrics woulduggest nine
and three Alabama's more impressive than eleven and two SMU.
But the question is going to be do you punish
a team that played in a conference championship game and
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reward a team that did not? And that's going to
be something the committee's going to have to grapple with.
But I do think that tonight we're going to see
a bracket that has one three lost team in, and
that's going to be Alabama. I'm also curious to see
does Ohio State hold on to a home a home
game in the first round. Are they still heeded in
those top eight spots between five and eight. I think
they probably will be, because I think the Committee likes
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to use what they call the eye tests, and I
know the last time that Ohio State didn't look good,
but over the course of this year they have looked
like one of the better teams in the country. I'm
suggesting the resume is not there, but I think the
Committee will likely go for that. So those are a
couple of things I'm looking at tonight, and then even
next week. I really don't think there's much drama and
less SMU gets upset in Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Awesome stuff, Kelly, You've been awesome all season long. I
cannot wait to see what happens this weekend because we
had complete and utter chaos last weekend, like complete and
we've been Honestly, it would have been better if there
was no College Fall playoff, because because.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I mean, we had complete chaos.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
H But we'll still have more chaos this weekend, I'm sure,
starting with a big ten twelve championship game, of course,
and then there's then there's even more fun to have
in the meantime dot Com, or of course, follow him
on social media. He's the best. Kelly, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Thank you, Doug. I appreciate it. Enjoy all the chaos.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (17:42):
Get what the Fox Says. And now.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Here's Dan Patrick of The Dan Patrick Show talking about
Texan's head coach Tamiko Ryans saying it's the job of
the quarterback to get down and that JAG's sideline overreacted
to the hit on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
It's really embarrassing that Eco says this, because if c. J.
Stroud was hit and his players didn't react like that,
he would be livid with them. The Jacksonville players reacted,
it was in front of them, and then all of
a sudden, you've got this melee going on there. You
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had two priors and you have this one. I don't
know if the NFL can revisit this. We'll talk to
Mike Golick next hour. What can you do with a
quarterback sliding when he slides, the reaction time that you
have and I know it's bang bang. We have the
benefit of slow motion. I'm watching it in real time
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and I go, oh my god, he's going to get
fined for that. And then all of a sudden you
have what kind of evolves or devolves into a melee.
But he's got a brace on his left forearm that
he goes towards Trevor Lawrence's head, so you don't make
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any effort to avoid. And that's the problem that I
have with this. He goes up and he's going right
at his head.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean, I'm with Dan on this one. I
don't know, like everyone defends their own players, but when
you defend your own players to level that it's indefensible.
Now you lose your credibility. And that's kind of what's
happened to Miko Ryans, who's a very credible guy, having
played defense in the National Football League, have been a
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really good player, and now he's a really good coach.
But look, I said it on the radio show and
I'll say it again. I thought three games is too long.
I thought three games are too long. And I do
understand that when you're going full speed, you're going full speed,
it's hard to slow up and those guys will slide
at the last second.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Totally understand.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
But if you look at the angle of that's just
not how tackling is taught. That's really what needs to
That's the pushback that Demiko needs to feel, which is, hey,
you were a hell of a player in the NFL.
Were you taught to launch yourself at a running guy
or you taught to see what you hit? Much like
who is the rookie this week who tackled Derrick Henry
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And that was like perfect tackling form from Iowa. Yeah,
that's how you fucking tackle somebody. Why won't anybody just
go like, look if he was in perfect tackling form,
you know where you're almost kind of squatting down seeing
what you hit, explode with your shoulders and your head up,
and then at the last second Trevor Lawrence takes a diet.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Well that's a different story.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
That's not what happened to here. Now what happened again?
I think three games is too much. He's felt the
wrath of social media, regular media fans now the NFL.
But it's like, what we what we're actually doing, is
not explaining that, Hey, if you're gonna go hit a
quarterback and goes down the last second. That's going to happen,
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but you have to have the same tackling form you'd
have if he stayed up.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
That didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Here's Colin Gallahert talking about the quarterback playing the Browns
Bronco shootout last night.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Bo Knicks never took a sack. Jamis Winston took a
couple of beauties, like really badly timed sacks. Bow Knicks
had two picks. One was a deflection, one was like
a change of possession downfield of punt. Jamis had two
or pick six is in one in the end zone.
So sometimes a quarterback needs to be boring and manage
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the game. Jamis Winston is never boring. He's evil canieval
at quarterback. He's a walking bachelor party. He's a parachutist
who forgets his parachute. Those skydivers don't last. Long bow Knicks, however,
as a rookie, had a sense of timing when to
let it loose and when not to and last out
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last night was a shootout, and shootouts happened in the NFL.
And Jameis Winston of his eighty five snaps. You went
wow with about a dozen of them, and then you
went uugh with about four to five of them. Now,
Bo Nicks had just sixty six snaps. He had a
couple of wows, but it was mostly here we go
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at a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
There you go, yeah, I mean that was It was
such a crap show last night with Jameis Winston.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It was the entire I thought, uh, I thought, was it?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Troy Aikman said, like, that's the That's the the entire
Jameis Winston experience right there, all the ones right, impassion
pregame speech, unbelievable, throws ridiculous pick six's impassion postgame speech
and brings in the Lord to deliver him from pick sixes.
I just anybody who goes like anybody who's surprised by
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that performance has clearly not paid attention to Jameis Winston.
That's Jameis Winston. I love him, I do, I enjoy it.
I wouldn't want to be my quarterback, but I like
him to be a quarterback in the NFL. Here's LeVar
Arrington and Jonas Knox talking about the way the Bears
handled the firing of Matt Eberflus.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Why allow the presser to go on like if you're
saying and oh, you're raising your hand like in retrospect,
But then you want to double back and kind of
try to justify it, like, well, but we hadn't come.
We did want to protect him and handle it like
a family. And I'll be the first one to admit
that we didn't handle it like family. But you know what,
we hadn't made a decision yet, So it's not like
we didn't treat him like family. It's that we just
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hadn't made a decision yet. But that's that statement alone
says you were deliberating amongst the people that were going
to make the decision before that press conference took place.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
They can spit out whatever crap they want about well,
we're trying to do this and we mean business here
and we stop. It's the same old, same old, And
when it comes to the next coach, you.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Know how this is gonna go. It's gonna go.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
This is like telegraph by the oh we had an
offensive guy last time, better go defensive guy. Oh we
had a defensive guy last time, Better go offensive guy
instead of just hey, who's the best one for the job, Like,
who's the guy like Mike Vrabel would be a great hire.
You think Rabel's taking that gig. And apparently coaches that
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are candidates around the league saw how they handled the
firing of Eberflus and they're like f that.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Uh yeah, I don't. I don't think anybody who's a
coach in the NFL sees how they handled the firing
of Eberflus, Like Jonas, respectfully, nobody gives this shit how
they fired my Matt Eberflus.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
He should have been fired before he left.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
He should have he should have got the greyhound coming
home from Detroit. Let's be honest, you know, let's be honest.
So uh, I mean, dude, they lost the fucking Bears
the Packers game because the guy settled on a forty
six yard fucking field.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Goal, right, I mean, go through the long laundry list.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Then they lose to the Commanders on on a hail
Mary while he's got a defensive back celebrating before while
the while the last play is snapped again, like Jonas
have some perspective here on just what a fucking shit
show that was.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
The Bears were an epic and complete shit show. This year. Now,
does Kevin Warren know what he's doing? I don't know.
He was great to me when his commissioner in the
Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But there's a lot of people, you know that behind
the Big Ten are like, yeah, it wasn't the best
deal in the world. So who knows? Man who knows
on this deal. But in regards to how they fired him, like,
I don't think anybody actually cares. That's what the Fox said, say,
let's find out who what's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Okay, I got I got one here, Jay Stuke, Can
I get one here?
Speaker 8 (25:58):
Of course?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Okay. So I tweeted out.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
This calendar which is pretty funny. It says it's the
but it's the most wonderful time. And I saw this
on social media where it's the month of December and
you go pull up my Twitter page.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Real quick and you can see it.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yep, I got it, okay, And the blue dates are
all the blue, which is all the weekends it says,
say you're going to start shopping for Christmas presents. The
yellow which is the first week of December, which is
this week. Pretend to work. That would be this week, okay,
Then next week is don't even pretend anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Next two weeks.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Then the green is destroy your body with food and alcohol.
And then there's an orange, which is the day before Christmas,
actually start Christmas shopping for Christmas presents. The red is nostalgia, right,
that's Christmas morning, and then the brown is right before
New Year's which is realized you got absolutely nothing accomplished.
It's really fucking funny, right, It's really really funny because
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I know so many people who work. It's like, dude,
December is such a waste of time. I have friends,
we have friends who have lost their jobs in there.
The job market's actually pretty good out there, but no
one's hiring this month. So it's like, do we actually
go and pursue a job this month? Do we try
and get it? I was like, try and get a
job in the first week or tow of December, and
then you won't start until February, right, because people don't
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actually work. So here's what's annoying is you get people
on social media go, you're.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
A Division one basketball coach.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You're not gonna work, You're gonna drinking. Are you a
fucking idiot? It's fucking funny. Like it's fucking like because
I'm a basketball coach now, I'm not allowed to have
a sense of humor on social media?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Is that is that? Like? What are you? The fuck?
So I'm gonna call out each one of these people, uh,
pregame empire, like like.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
You're a fucking idiot. You're the reason people can't have
fun anymore. Like I got thirteen thousand followers, I'll be like,
you be rid, like nobody cares, dude. The idea is
you look at and you go, oh, that's that's funny.
I'm gonna send it to a friend, right, really funny,
So says the guy who has two fucking jobs and
travels all over the country doing these two fucking jobs.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I'm just an again. It's just annoying.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Doesn't affect anything I do, but it's the perfect one
for this segment.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Just fucking annoying.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
Get over it, Yeah, get over it. I think the
people that listen to this podcast a lot are going
to ask this one question, why does this idiot have
such a heart on about fantasy football and the way
the NFL regards it? And I'm gonna this is my
answer because the only people watching fucking football now are
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people that have a wager on it or have fantasy interests. Okay,
Jerry Judy Fantasy owners last night, we're loving it. Example,
So you got you and Dan Bayer talked about this
three or four weeks ago, and we asked Mike Sando
about it. It became a thing week fourteen on the
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NFL schedule. Week fourteen, there's eighteen weeks. That means that
this is the last regular season week for all fantasy players.
Last regular season playoffs are on the line. You need
your best players this week, and six teams have a bye. Ravens, Broncos, Texans, Colts, Patriots.
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Commanders count up these skilled players on each of those teams,
and that's how many. That's how many players the NFL
has decided to take off the board for people that
need to win their fantasy weeks. I'm gonna say this
over and over again. There needs to be an emphasis
from the NFL across the board, commissioner, doubt commissioner, down
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to the lowest assistant coach. You need to respect fantasy
football players and you need to do more to cater
to them because they're the only people watching your product
along with the gambling degenerates. Having a week a bye
week with six teams in Week fourteen is utterly ridiculous.
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They could have done it last week and it would
have been less impactful for fantasy owners.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
This week.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It's I don't even know, Like, why do we have
these buyes so late in the year. So weird, very
very weird.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And and then there's the teams that it benefits greatly
because they need it, there's the teams that could have
used it early in the year, and then yes, there's
then then there's the fantasy element to it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So I'm with you, it's just bizarre. By the way, I.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Won my fantasy game one oh three point eight two
to one oh three point one to two last week.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
And who are your two best players?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I mean, I have Jalen Hurt, Justin, Jefferson, kuber Cup,
Derrick Henry.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
Imagine not having Derrick Henry this week, and you need
you need to.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Have, right Derrick Henry. I have to sit him obviously
because he is a bye This.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Way, it's bullshit, That's my point. Second point is this, Okay,
Rob Manfred, he takes a lot of shit from me
on the show. He should in a lot of ways
he represents all the things that everyone is excited about baseball.
I think people are excited about it. I don't know
if the demographic that is supposed to be excited is excited.
But Rob Manfred does a lot of stuff that pisses
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me off about the game of baseball. This might be
the worst violation of it. Rob Manfred said this about
the golden at bat, the golden hitter.
Speaker 10 (31:35):
There're a variety of things that are being talked about
out there. One of them, there's a little buzz around
at an owner's meeting, was the idea of a golden
at bat. That is, you know, putting your best player
out there out of order at a particular point in
the game. That rule and things like that are in
the conversation only stage right now.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah? I mean, are you I got it?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I do want to make sure we point out that
he said conversationally it should be I'm guessing you're gonna
say it should be a conversation starter and a conversation ender.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
Yes, ender, there's buzz generated. In other words, the trial balloon.
He's putting a trial baling out there. Nobody who likes
baseball would want a gold in the bat nobody, zero people.
It would be a violation of the uh, what would
you call it? The integrity of the entire game. If
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you could just put Aaron Judge up whenever you want them,
you can. It doesn't work. Jamis Winston said this after
the game. It's being played everywhere. It's the SoundBite of
the last twelve hours.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
In times like this, you know this.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
Is it's the opportunity to continues took even through the
toughest circumstance. I know him better than this, I know
I'm like, I'm just praying for the Lord to deliver
me from pick sixes. Like that's just that's not me.
Like phenomenal game offense do some great things, but I
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miss it up.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
So said. He said it with a wink, And that'll
be your objection to this. When he says that he
prays for no pick sixes and he's asking the Lord
to do something about the pick sixes, he's saying it
with a wink. But I would say this, if you're
saying stuff with a wink, doesn't that just throw out
everything you're doing. Doesn't that make this this god fearing
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language all thrown out the window, like this isn't something
to joke about. He obviously knows that this is a stick.
He plays up to it, and he's going to have
something to say about God and helping him out every week.
But the God helping me with my pick sixes is
a joke, right, that's a joke. He wasn't being serious.
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But I thought faith was about sincerity. There is no
levity when it comes to people's faith, not when there
are literally people dying around the world. All you have
to do is read the lyrics to that. Do they
know it's Christmas? The gift of a lot of Africans?
This Christmas will be breath?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I I don't think he was joking.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I don't. I think it's funny.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I think it's I think he's very unintentionally funny, unintentionally funny.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So what's annoying about it.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
That the one thing you don't take for granted or
joke about is your faith. You don't say so that
God's gonna help you with something and then wink if
there there's nothing unseerious about people's faith. So he's basically
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mocking this stick that he has, right, jameis Winston is
known as the guy that now is going to be
on camera for every pregame, pregame meeting, pre game speech,
and he's known as the guy that's going to talk
about Jesus after the game, and that's the stick. And
then when he talks about helping with pick sixes, he's
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making fun of things. Right to me, nothing is more
serious than people's Christian faith.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I just think people need to get a have a
fucking sense of humor. It's kind of where I started
with with my deal. So I get it, but I
don't I I'm gonna give him fast on this one.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Who else? Who else annoying you?
Speaker 8 (36:05):
No, that's it, Jameis Winston mocking.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Is pretty annoying. But he's been on this list. I
think the people who take a funny tweet and be like.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
You're a manueball coach. You can't shay it. You're just annoying.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You're why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I do.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Because we can?
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
Nick Assario, Nick Assario. Nick Cassario is the GM of
the Texans. When you're the when you're a parent of
a child and your last name is Cassario, don't call
him Nicholas because you know that people are gonna call
him Nick. So now Nick Cassario sounds like one word,
It sounds like his last name, Nick Assario. Well, what's
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your first name, Luke, John Bob, No, No, my name
is Nick Kasih. He makes because we can because of those.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
I think what we take on Bridge is is just
the picture that's been painted about is ease his intentions,
who he is as a person. I mean, it's quite frankly,
it's bullshit, and it's unfair to the individual. It's unfair
of the organization. I mean, we love everything about as
he's all shy here. What he means is this team,
what he brings.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
To this to this team is pretty strong. I do
agree with you on Nick Cassario.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
That's a that's a mistake in Nick in naming although
he's he's you know, it's probably a family name.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I would also tell you that it is bullshit that you're.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
We don't know, I don't know if everything he does
is what you want part of the team, Like do
you really want guys going and launching themselves at a
sliding quarterback? But we can only play that for you
here because we can, all right, that's it for the
In the Modus podcast. You got the radio show every
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Speaker 2 (37:56):
I'm Doug Gotlieb
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug Gottling.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What Up Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
In the bonus Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app Welcome in.
We talked about this a little bit in the on
the radio show, but since this is the podcast, a
little bit different, I wasn't on the show yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Look full disclosure.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
We play tomorrow in Indianapolis, our first league game, and
there is a part of that which we again we
got to on the radio show, but I'll get to
here as well, which is nobody actually pays attention to
schedules because they actually do matter. But regardless of the point.
So I didn't get to chime in on the flag
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planting thing. Flag planting thing. And here's here's what I
think is at play. Okay, there's a Porsche to people,
and I think these people wear Jay stew Out a
lot because he's reacting. He reacts poorly to he says
they're woke or whatever. There is a portion of people
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that are woke. There's also a portion of people that
were probably picked on in the eighties and nineties and
they thought it was super unfair and I thought it
was super mean, and we use words that we don't
use anymore, and like, look, I'm not disputing the fact
that kids in the eighties and nineties could be dicks.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
They just were. They can be dicks now too.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But there's certain words and ways in which we said
things and people we made fun of that just you
don't do anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Some of those things. We've the pendulum swings.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We went from way too hardcore just talk shit and
make fun of people who weren't like mainstream, to now
you can't even have fun with anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I think sports are different. I just do.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I don't think sports comes with all of the other
stuff in life where we're trying to protect people from
because there's the old man in the arena. If you
don't want this smoke, then don't step on the fucking
football field. Like, here's the thing. I went to Ohio
State last Monday. We played Ohio State. That game is everything,
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and trust me, all of those Ohio State players there's.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Video of them talking all kinds of shit. This was
the year they cross out every m on campus. Right,
they don't even mentioned that school from up north, and
then they get beat in their own building. They get
humiliated in the fourth court.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
They can't move the football at all against Michigan, and
Michigan has seniors who have never lost to Ohio State.
You lose the game, and now you want to plant
the flag, and you're like, no, no, no, no, no, that
is offensive. That's not fucking offensive. That's football.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You lost, Get the fuck off the field.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
If you want to do your Alma moter thing and
join hand's great. And again like, look, guys, that were
dickheads from Michigan. There's the one who threw the water bottle.
That's not okay, okay, there's the there's the guy there
was like two flags. There's not a flag, and you're
like flying in people's states, like, that's dickhead bullshit, don't
do that.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But the planting the flag in the middle of the field,
I got no problem with. It's victory. It's victory.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
The only thing, the only way in which I would say, hey,
let's not plant flags is if we have flagpoles on
every field and if you lose, the victor can go
over to the flagpole and put their flag up, much
like the pirate flag, much like every country. Ever, when
you go and win, you get to lunch it. That
becomes your property. That's how it works.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
And again we're not saying people like are you're relating
it to war? Gottlab, that's just too much. That's a
football game, No shit, asshole. We all realize it's not
real war. We're not idiots. Nobody should die because of it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
That's where we're like, dude, now you're becoming the what's
the word I'm allowed to use? Now I'm not sure
what words I'm allowed to use the person who's way
too soft and way too sensitive to be associated with sports.
We know it's not war. It is a battle. It's
just not a battle to the death. Yet, dumb ass,
(04:23):
stop fucking making me making it like I'm saying something
which we all don't know to be completely true. Well
we all know to be true, right. The issue is this,
if you don't like it, win the game.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Win the game, well you can celebrate.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Now. Look, I don't think you go and smush the
other team's logo. That's dumb, dumb football guy.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Shit.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Okay, I don't think you need to make gestures at
fans other than by you can wait by or scoreboard.
But planning a flag which happened at like six of
the rivalry games this week. I see nothing wrong with
and many of the same guys who got their asses
kicked during the football game suddenly now well now they
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want to defend their precious football field from a flag.
I gotta tell you here's the deal. Win the game,
razor flag, plant the flag, don't care if you don't
like it, go back to rule one, win the game.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, let's welcome him in.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
He joins us every week and he gives us his
update on his current bracket, on his most deserving teams,
and we try and figure out what's what in the
college football landscape. He's the one only Kelly Ford. K
ford Ratings dot Com is, of course, the website you
can go to. You can to fall them on social media, Kelly,
(06:02):
I do want your opinion for people who don't know Kelly. Also,
his day job is working for the Horizon League. What
is your opinion of the flag planting? Flag planting?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
So you've set me up here, Doug as you say,
I'm a college athletic administrator. I feel like it's probably
not appropriate for me to have this opinion, But personally
I do not have an issue with the flag plant
metaphorically on your field. Then take care of it on
the field. Now, any damage that is, any damage that
has caused, I would say they would be responsible for,
(06:34):
you know, if it's a turf field. But I personally
don't have an issue with the flag planting. Quite honestly, I.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Don't either, and I think, like, listen, I understand, it's
not real war, it's not real battle. There is a
certain capture of the flag element to it, right, but
it does go back to our most primal fighting sense,
which is when you win. And maybe we should eliminate
planting the flag and simply have a flag pole where
(06:58):
when you win you get to raise the flag, even
on your opponent's field.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
But since she is to go ahead, do the victor
go the spoils. That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I completely agree. I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Look, and I've had people go like, well you lost
at home Saturday, Like, no, it sucks, it really sucks.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You know what you can do, go out and when
the next one, you know, I just.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
I completely agree with you.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I actually, I actually take the biggest issue with the
opposing teams, Like, okay, now you want to fight.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Where right?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
We just battled on the field. We just battled on
the court for sixty minutes, forty minutes whatever sport we're
talking about, and we came out victorious. Therefore we can
do what we want. You don't like it. You just
had your chance to beat us and you didn't do it.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I'm completely and totally with you. It is the Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's let's get to
the the your ratings. How similar are your ratings to
the college football ratings rankings?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So last week we talked about on the show the
Committee's top twelve tier. Sorry, the committee twelve teams in
the playoff not necessarily their top twelve match the twelve
teams that I would have had in the playoffs. I
am not sure that's going to be the case this week.
Of course, we will see tonight what the Committee does.
I still have Arizona State as the Big twelve projected
champion for now, higher ranked than Boise State. I actually
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have Iowa State higher rank than Boise State as well,
so I believe the Committee is giving Boise State a
little bit too much credit for the resume they have.
I would have Boise as the highest rank group of
five champions, which would put them in the twelve spot.
Of course, the Committee has them in the four seed
right now, so that's one difference. The other one does
based on my most deserving rankings, which is looking at
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how much have you achieved relative to what would be
expected for you to achieve given the schedule you've played.
I think the Committee is still going to have Ohio
State in the field and maybe even hosting a playoff game.
My most deserving ranking suggests that the Buckeyes would actually
be the first team out. Which team would I have
in that the Committee likely won't. I think that's going
(09:12):
to be South Carolina. I think South Carolina is going
to be outside the Committee's field. My numbers show that
their nine and three record is stronger against the schedule
they played than Ohio State ten and two against their schedule.
I do think the Committee will have nine and three
Alabama in the field, and I would agree with that.
I think they should be in as well.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I do as well.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm going to discrete, then Ohio State and maybe this
is maybe we're getting too much in the weeds, but
like this goes to the old NCAA tournament. What have
you done against the field? Right which is I think
a final kind of determining factor. Granted it doesn't you know,
shouldn't wipe off the loss to Michigan, especially it being
at home. But if you think about it, like, Okay,
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do you have Indiana in the field.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I do as of right now, and Penn State. I
know where you're going, baxt right.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
So you Organ is arguably the number it's the number
one overall seed right now. They lost by a point
on Organ's home field. They beat Penn State on their field,
and they demolished Indiana the week before, being Michigan there.
You know, if you want to go strength to schedule,
I can't think of one. Granted, their non conference strength
schedule is not strong, but that's because I mean then
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their their in conference schedule is very strong. And you
know they did they lost to one team in the
field by a point. Is the number one seed, and
then they've beaten two teams that are in the field.
I don't see how you I don't see how you
reward a boy See or some of these other programs
and not reward Ohio State and and and honestly in Alabama.
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You know Alabama, didn't you know? They only play eight games,
but they play a high, high level foe with that other.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Non conference game.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Okay, so the four buys, the four buys as of now,
who do you have having the four buys for me?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I would have the four buys going to Oregon Tech
SIS SMU, which I think the committee's going to have
those as well. Now I've been on SMU for a while,
the committee had Miami in there. The fourth one for
me is Arizona State as of right now, and actually, Doug,
as I mentioned, I think that based on my most
deserving rankings and what again, what I'm doing there is
how much have you achieved relative to expected given the
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schedule you've played. I am going to have the winner
of Arizona State Iowa State with a more impressive resume,
likely one more loss, but a more impressive resume than
Boise State. And let's not just assume Boidi State is
going to win their rematch against UNLD, but I think
if Boise State wins against UNLD, the Committee's going to
have them in their top four with a BUYE. I
don't believe that Boise, based on their resume, would deserve
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that over the Big twelve champion. What gets really interesting, Doug,
is what is cleansing BEATINGMU?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You just have along in the field.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I'm going to disagree that they belong as the top
four seed, Like, who have they actually beaten?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know? Who have they beaten? You know?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And if they don't win, they're not in field. If
they do win, they're in the field, but they're going
to get a buy.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I don't think the committee will do that. I think
that the if the if SMU loses to Clemson, I
think Clemson, well gee, let's think about it, because they'd
be compared against well it might be Army right or
two Lane, So yeah, I mean they would I suppose
they would be getting one of those buys, which is
absolutely ridiculous because they're a team. If they lose this,
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they're not even close to being in the field. That's
the biggest problem that we have here, Doug, with the
not just automatic qualifiers, but in the buy system. I
would argue, if you if you really want to have
the aqs okay, but let's get then you know, you
got your five aqs. Let's then take those five teams,
the seven highest, that largest, and then let's rank them
there one through twelve. I think this buy system is
(12:48):
throwing so much chaos. It's going to create such an
imbalanced bracket that in many years it's going to be advantageous, yes,
to be the five seed over the one, But in
some years, like if Clemson wins, in some years it
might the advantageous to be the sixth seed over the
one because of who you'd be playing, not just in
the first round, but then that three seed there in
the next round. So I think the buy structure in
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the way that the seeding is set up, is really
set up for failure, and I think we're probably going
to see changes to that in the future.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
What do you do with Miami?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I think Miami's out, Doug, I really do so. In
my most deserving I had Miami number six last week.
They have fallen into number fourteen, which puts them outside
the field. I'm just doing some quick back of Napkin
mats here. I believe the committee is going to drop
Miami behind Alabama, and at least Alabama, perhaps Old Miss,
perhaps South Carolina, but at least Alabama. And if they
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are behind Alabama tonight, I do not believe there is
any way for Miami to get back into this field.
They just if you really scrutinize their resume, and for
so long they were highly ranked by the committe because
they hadn' lost. Well, they've lost these two games here
in the last three week, last four weeks, they had
a buy in there, and neither one of these losses
are quote good losses. On the road at Georgia Tech,
who's the five lost team, on the road at Syracuse who, yes,
(14:12):
is a three loss team. But you look at their schedule.
Who have they played really nobody? I mean, they lost
a pit they lost the Stanford at home, they lost
to Boston College. I don't think Miami, even if they
are one of the twelve quote best teams, and even
if they have one of the best offenses in the country.
I have the number one on the offensive side of
the ball, this resume just doesn't hold up. And I
don't believe Miami is going to find themselves in the playoffs.
(14:33):
This year because of this late season collapse.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I think Look, I think they're fools gold to be
honest with you, they should have lost Virginia Tech, Cal
Louisville all three of those games, and then you know,
Florida stateon Duke just aren't good enough to beat him,
and then you know, you know, then we see Georgia
Tech and Syracuse. I mean, they played a soft schedule.
It's not their fault that Florida sucked, but Florida did stink,
especially at that point in time of the year, and
(14:59):
probably should have been beating and maybe, honestly, like it's
one of those things I would I'd really been interesting
to talk to their staff. They probably would. I tell you, like, man,
we wish we would have lost that game because we
probably would have improved more because we were playing with fire.
But they they got themselves, They got themselves burned. What
is who is going to be the surprise team Ole
Miss South Carolina? Right now, you're thinking Alabama. Who's the
(15:24):
surprise team that gets gets in once we have the
actual field?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
If yeah, if I had to get right now, Alabama
is the only three loss team in I think the
first couple of teams out are going to be your
old Mitch, your South Carolina or Miami. Of course, Arizona State,
Iowa State. One of them is going to get in
by winning the Big twelve. I'm not sure that we're
gonna get a surprise outside of that, Doug, I think
you know what gets interesting. Of course, like we talked about,
if SMU loses to Clemton, the question is going to
(15:51):
become does SMU with two losses, one of them being
in the ACC championship game? Do they get in? Or
does the nine and three Alabama who didn't play in
the SEC title games to Vegas? And that could be
an interesting conversation. I think the resume metrics woulduggest nine
and three Alabama's more impressive than eleven and two SMU.
But the question is going to be do you punish
a team that played in a conference championship game and
(16:13):
reward a team that did not? And that's going to
be something the committee's going to have to grapple with.
But I do think that tonight we're going to see
a bracket that has one three lost team in, and
that's going to be Alabama. I'm also curious to see
does Ohio State hold on to a home a home
game in the first round. Are they still heeded in
those top eight spots between five and eight. I think
they probably will be, because I think the Committee likes
(16:35):
to use what they call the eye tests, and I
know the last time that Ohio State didn't look good,
but over the course of this year they have looked
like one of the better teams in the country. I'm
suggesting the resume is not there, but I think the
Committee will likely go for that. So those are a
couple of things I'm looking at tonight, and then even
next week. I really don't think there's much drama and
less SMU gets upset in Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Awesome stuff, Kelly, You've been awesome all season long. I
cannot wait to see what happens this weekend because we
had complete and utter chaos last weekend, like complete and
we've been Honestly, it would have been better if there
was no College Fall playoff, because because.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I mean, we had complete chaos.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
H But we'll still have more chaos this weekend, I'm sure,
starting with a big ten twelve championship game, of course,
and then there's then there's even more fun to have
in the meantime dot Com, or of course, follow him
on social media. He's the best. Kelly, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Thank you, Doug. I appreciate it. Enjoy all the chaos.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
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Speaker 2 (17:42):
Get what the Fox Says. And now.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Here's Dan Patrick of The Dan Patrick Show talking about
Texan's head coach Tamiko Ryans saying it's the job of
the quarterback to get down and that JAG's sideline overreacted
to the hit on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
It's really embarrassing that Eco says this, because if c. J.
Stroud was hit and his players didn't react like that,
he would be livid with them. The Jacksonville players reacted,
it was in front of them, and then all of
a sudden, you've got this melee going on there. You
(18:19):
had two priors and you have this one. I don't
know if the NFL can revisit this. We'll talk to
Mike Golick next hour. What can you do with a
quarterback sliding when he slides, the reaction time that you
have and I know it's bang bang. We have the
benefit of slow motion. I'm watching it in real time
(18:40):
and I go, oh my god, he's going to get
fined for that. And then all of a sudden you
have what kind of evolves or devolves into a melee.
But he's got a brace on his left forearm that
he goes towards Trevor Lawrence's head, so you don't make
(19:01):
any effort to avoid. And that's the problem that I
have with this. He goes up and he's going right
at his head.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, I mean, I'm with Dan on this one. I
don't know, like everyone defends their own players, but when
you defend your own players to level that it's indefensible.
Now you lose your credibility. And that's kind of what's
happened to Miko Ryans, who's a very credible guy, having
played defense in the National Football League, have been a
(19:32):
really good player, and now he's a really good coach.
But look, I said it on the radio show and
I'll say it again. I thought three games is too long.
I thought three games are too long. And I do
understand that when you're going full speed, you're going full speed,
it's hard to slow up and those guys will slide
at the last second.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Totally understand.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
But if you look at the angle of that's just
not how tackling is taught. That's really what needs to
That's the pushback that Demiko needs to feel, which is, hey,
you were a hell of a player in the NFL.
Were you taught to launch yourself at a running guy
or you taught to see what you hit? Much like
who is the rookie this week who tackled Derrick Henry
(20:19):
And that was like perfect tackling form from Iowa. Yeah,
that's how you fucking tackle somebody. Why won't anybody just
go like, look if he was in perfect tackling form,
you know where you're almost kind of squatting down seeing
what you hit, explode with your shoulders and your head up,
and then at the last second Trevor Lawrence takes a diet.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Well that's a different story.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
That's not what happened to here. Now what happened again?
I think three games is too much. He's felt the
wrath of social media, regular media fans now the NFL.
But it's like, what we what we're actually doing, is
not explaining that, Hey, if you're gonna go hit a
quarterback and goes down the last second. That's going to happen,
(21:02):
but you have to have the same tackling form you'd
have if he stayed up.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
That didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Here's Colin Gallahert talking about the quarterback playing the Browns
Bronco shootout last night.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Bo Knicks never took a sack. Jamis Winston took a
couple of beauties, like really badly timed sacks. Bow Knicks
had two picks. One was a deflection, one was like
a change of possession downfield of punt. Jamis had two
or pick six is in one in the end zone.
So sometimes a quarterback needs to be boring and manage
(21:34):
the game. Jamis Winston is never boring. He's evil canieval
at quarterback. He's a walking bachelor party. He's a parachutist
who forgets his parachute. Those skydivers don't last. Long bow Knicks, however,
as a rookie, had a sense of timing when to
let it loose and when not to and last out
(21:55):
last night was a shootout, and shootouts happened in the NFL.
And Jameis Winston of his eighty five snaps. You went
wow with about a dozen of them, and then you
went uugh with about four to five of them. Now,
Bo Nicks had just sixty six snaps. He had a
couple of wows, but it was mostly here we go
(22:18):
at a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
There you go, yeah, I mean that was It was
such a crap show last night with Jameis Winston.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It was the entire I thought, uh, I thought, was it?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Troy Aikman said, like, that's the That's the the entire
Jameis Winston experience right there, all the ones right, impassion
pregame speech, unbelievable, throws ridiculous pick six's impassion postgame speech
and brings in the Lord to deliver him from pick sixes.
I just anybody who goes like anybody who's surprised by
(22:54):
that performance has clearly not paid attention to Jameis Winston.
That's Jameis Winston. I love him, I do, I enjoy it.
I wouldn't want to be my quarterback, but I like
him to be a quarterback in the NFL. Here's LeVar
Arrington and Jonas Knox talking about the way the Bears
handled the firing of Matt Eberflus.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Why allow the presser to go on like if you're
saying and oh, you're raising your hand like in retrospect,
But then you want to double back and kind of
try to justify it, like, well, but we hadn't come.
We did want to protect him and handle it like
a family. And I'll be the first one to admit
that we didn't handle it like family. But you know what,
we hadn't made a decision yet, So it's not like
we didn't treat him like family. It's that we just
(23:33):
hadn't made a decision yet. But that's that statement alone
says you were deliberating amongst the people that were going
to make the decision before that press conference took place.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
They can spit out whatever crap they want about well,
we're trying to do this and we mean business here
and we stop. It's the same old, same old, And
when it comes to the next coach, you.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Know how this is gonna go. It's gonna go.
Speaker 7 (23:57):
This is like telegraph by the oh we had an
offensive guy last time, better go defensive guy. Oh we
had a defensive guy last time, Better go offensive guy
instead of just hey, who's the best one for the job, Like,
who's the guy like Mike Vrabel would be a great hire.
You think Rabel's taking that gig. And apparently coaches that
(24:18):
are candidates around the league saw how they handled the
firing of Eberflus and they're like f that.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Uh yeah, I don't. I don't think anybody who's a
coach in the NFL sees how they handled the firing
of Eberflus, Like Jonas, respectfully, nobody gives this shit how
they fired my Matt Eberflus.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
He should have been fired before he left.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
He should have he should have got the greyhound coming
home from Detroit. Let's be honest, you know, let's be honest.
So uh, I mean, dude, they lost the fucking Bears
the Packers game because the guy settled on a forty
six yard fucking field.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Goal, right, I mean, go through the long laundry list.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Then they lose to the Commanders on on a hail
Mary while he's got a defensive back celebrating before while
the while the last play is snapped again, like Jonas
have some perspective here on just what a fucking shit
show that was.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
The Bears were an epic and complete shit show. This year. Now,
does Kevin Warren know what he's doing? I don't know.
He was great to me when his commissioner in the
Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But there's a lot of people, you know that behind
the Big Ten are like, yeah, it wasn't the best
deal in the world. So who knows? Man who knows
on this deal. But in regards to how they fired him, like,
I don't think anybody actually cares. That's what the Fox said, say,
let's find out who what's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Okay, I got I got one here, Jay Stuke, Can
I get one here?
Speaker 8 (25:58):
Of course?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Okay. So I tweeted out.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
This calendar which is pretty funny. It says it's the
but it's the most wonderful time. And I saw this
on social media where it's the month of December and
you go pull up my Twitter page.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Real quick and you can see it.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yep, I got it, okay, And the blue dates are
all the blue, which is all the weekends it says,
say you're going to start shopping for Christmas presents. The
yellow which is the first week of December, which is
this week. Pretend to work. That would be this week, okay,
Then next week is don't even pretend anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Next two weeks.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Then the green is destroy your body with food and alcohol.
And then there's an orange, which is the day before Christmas,
actually start Christmas shopping for Christmas presents. The red is nostalgia, right,
that's Christmas morning, and then the brown is right before
New Year's which is realized you got absolutely nothing accomplished.
It's really fucking funny, right, It's really really funny because
(26:53):
I know so many people who work. It's like, dude,
December is such a waste of time. I have friends,
we have friends who have lost their jobs in there.
The job market's actually pretty good out there, but no
one's hiring this month. So it's like, do we actually
go and pursue a job this month? Do we try
and get it? I was like, try and get a
job in the first week or tow of December, and
then you won't start until February, right, because people don't
(27:15):
actually work. So here's what's annoying is you get people
on social media go, you're.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
A Division one basketball coach.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You're not gonna work, You're gonna drinking. Are you a
fucking idiot? It's fucking funny. Like it's fucking like because
I'm a basketball coach now, I'm not allowed to have
a sense of humor on social media?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Is that is that? Like? What are you? The fuck?
So I'm gonna call out each one of these people, uh,
pregame empire, like like.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
You're a fucking idiot. You're the reason people can't have
fun anymore. Like I got thirteen thousand followers, I'll be like,
you be rid, like nobody cares, dude. The idea is
you look at and you go, oh, that's that's funny.
I'm gonna send it to a friend, right, really funny,
So says the guy who has two fucking jobs and
travels all over the country doing these two fucking jobs.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I'm just an again. It's just annoying.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Doesn't affect anything I do, but it's the perfect one
for this segment.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Just fucking annoying.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
Get over it, Yeah, get over it. I think the
people that listen to this podcast a lot are going
to ask this one question, why does this idiot have
such a heart on about fantasy football and the way
the NFL regards it? And I'm gonna this is my
answer because the only people watching fucking football now are
(28:40):
people that have a wager on it or have fantasy interests. Okay,
Jerry Judy Fantasy owners last night, we're loving it. Example,
So you got you and Dan Bayer talked about this
three or four weeks ago, and we asked Mike Sando
about it. It became a thing week fourteen on the
(29:01):
NFL schedule. Week fourteen, there's eighteen weeks. That means that
this is the last regular season week for all fantasy players.
Last regular season playoffs are on the line. You need
your best players this week, and six teams have a bye. Ravens, Broncos, Texans, Colts, Patriots.
(29:25):
Commanders count up these skilled players on each of those teams,
and that's how many. That's how many players the NFL
has decided to take off the board for people that
need to win their fantasy weeks. I'm gonna say this
over and over again. There needs to be an emphasis
from the NFL across the board, commissioner, doubt commissioner, down
(29:46):
to the lowest assistant coach. You need to respect fantasy
football players and you need to do more to cater
to them because they're the only people watching your product
along with the gambling degenerates. Having a week a bye
week with six teams in Week fourteen is utterly ridiculous.
(30:07):
They could have done it last week and it would
have been less impactful for fantasy owners.
Speaker 9 (30:14):
This week.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It's I don't even know, Like, why do we have
these buyes so late in the year. So weird, very
very weird.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And and then there's the teams that it benefits greatly
because they need it, there's the teams that could have
used it early in the year, and then yes, there's
then then there's the fantasy element to it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So I'm with you, it's just bizarre. By the way, I.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Won my fantasy game one oh three point eight two
to one oh three point one to two last week.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
And who are your two best players?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I mean, I have Jalen Hurt, Justin, Jefferson, kuber Cup,
Derrick Henry.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
Imagine not having Derrick Henry this week, and you need
you need to.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Have, right Derrick Henry. I have to sit him obviously
because he is a bye This.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Way, it's bullshit, That's my point. Second point is this, Okay,
Rob Manfred, he takes a lot of shit from me
on the show. He should in a lot of ways
he represents all the things that everyone is excited about baseball.
I think people are excited about it. I don't know
if the demographic that is supposed to be excited is excited.
But Rob Manfred does a lot of stuff that pisses
(31:25):
me off about the game of baseball. This might be
the worst violation of it. Rob Manfred said this about
the golden at bat, the golden hitter.
Speaker 10 (31:35):
There're a variety of things that are being talked about
out there. One of them, there's a little buzz around
at an owner's meeting, was the idea of a golden
at bat. That is, you know, putting your best player
out there out of order at a particular point in
the game. That rule and things like that are in
the conversation only stage right now.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah? I mean, are you I got it?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I do want to make sure we point out that
he said conversationally it should be I'm guessing you're gonna
say it should be a conversation starter and a conversation ender.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
Yes, ender, there's buzz generated. In other words, the trial balloon.
He's putting a trial baling out there. Nobody who likes
baseball would want a gold in the bat nobody, zero people.
It would be a violation of the uh, what would
you call it? The integrity of the entire game. If
(32:36):
you could just put Aaron Judge up whenever you want them,
you can. It doesn't work. Jamis Winston said this after
the game. It's being played everywhere. It's the SoundBite of
the last twelve hours.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
In times like this, you know this.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
Is it's the opportunity to continues took even through the
toughest circumstance. I know him better than this, I know
I'm like, I'm just praying for the Lord to deliver
me from pick sixes. Like that's just that's not me.
Like phenomenal game offense do some great things, but I
(33:15):
miss it up.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
So said. He said it with a wink, And that'll
be your objection to this. When he says that he
prays for no pick sixes and he's asking the Lord
to do something about the pick sixes, he's saying it
with a wink. But I would say this, if you're
saying stuff with a wink, doesn't that just throw out
everything you're doing. Doesn't that make this this god fearing
(33:43):
language all thrown out the window, like this isn't something
to joke about. He obviously knows that this is a stick.
He plays up to it, and he's going to have
something to say about God and helping him out every week.
But the God helping me with my pick sixes is
a joke, right, that's a joke. He wasn't being serious.
(34:04):
But I thought faith was about sincerity. There is no
levity when it comes to people's faith, not when there
are literally people dying around the world. All you have
to do is read the lyrics to that. Do they
know it's Christmas? The gift of a lot of Africans?
This Christmas will be breath?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I I don't think he was joking.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I don't. I think it's funny.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I think it's I think he's very unintentionally funny, unintentionally funny.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So what's annoying about it.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
That the one thing you don't take for granted or
joke about is your faith. You don't say so that
God's gonna help you with something and then wink if
there there's nothing unseerious about people's faith. So he's basically
(35:12):
mocking this stick that he has, right, jameis Winston is
known as the guy that now is going to be
on camera for every pregame, pregame meeting, pre game speech,
and he's known as the guy that's going to talk
about Jesus after the game, and that's the stick. And
then when he talks about helping with pick sixes, he's
(35:34):
making fun of things. Right to me, nothing is more
serious than people's Christian faith.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I just think people need to get a have a
fucking sense of humor. It's kind of where I started
with with my deal. So I get it, but I
don't I I'm gonna give him fast on this one.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Who else? Who else annoying you?
Speaker 8 (36:05):
No, that's it, Jameis Winston mocking.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Is pretty annoying. But he's been on this list. I
think the people who take a funny tweet and be like.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
You're a manueball coach. You can't shay it. You're just annoying.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You're why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
I do.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Because we can?
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
Nick Assario, Nick Assario. Nick Cassario is the GM of
the Texans. When you're the when you're a parent of
a child and your last name is Cassario, don't call
him Nicholas because you know that people are gonna call
him Nick. So now Nick Cassario sounds like one word,
It sounds like his last name, Nick Assario. Well, what's
(36:55):
your first name, Luke, John Bob, No, No, my name
is Nick Kasih. He makes because we can because of those.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
I think what we take on Bridge is is just
the picture that's been painted about is ease his intentions,
who he is as a person. I mean, it's quite frankly,
it's bullshit, and it's unfair to the individual. It's unfair
of the organization. I mean, we love everything about as
he's all shy here. What he means is this team,
what he brings.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
To this to this team is pretty strong. I do
agree with you on Nick Cassario.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
That's a that's a mistake in Nick in naming although
he's he's you know, it's probably a family name.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I would also tell you that it is bullshit that you're.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
We don't know, I don't know if everything he does
is what you want part of the team, Like do
you really want guys going and launching themselves at a
sliding quarterback? But we can only play that for you
here because we can, all right, that's it for the
In the Modus podcast. You got the radio show every
day three to five eastern, twelve two Pacific, iHeartRadio, Fox
Sports Radio, and Fox Sport Trader dot Com.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
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