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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show here in
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Gottlie What up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox
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having a great day. Are you good? We appreciate you
download the pod so you don't just listen to only
the radio show. Up that the radio show is not awesome. Yeah, Well,
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we'll talk some more about the Aaron Rodgers stuff. But
again I think that there's some there's a little of
of of Alan Iverson to Aaron Rodgers, to to even
Carmelo Anthony, and these guys are all time greats. Now, look,
I you Aaron Rodgers as greater in what he does
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than anything and I I Everson ever did. But it's
the you do get to a point in your career
where I don't know if you're a type cast, but hey,
this is who you are. You're not as good as
you used to be, and there's only a certain a
number of people that can work with you. And it's
really hard to take a secondary or tertiary role as
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an athlete when you've been the guy you know, So
as Aaron Rodgers and the Jets part company. I mean
the reality is, did the Jets want them back? Well,
I look at it a little bit like the Saint
Louis Cardinals and what they did with Albertpoolholes, right, They
offered him a six year deal and then he said
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he wanted nine or ten years. Then they just put
three million dollars a year on the year seven, eight
and nine and said kind of take it or leave it.
He left it, and he went and took all that
money with the Angels. And the point that the Cardinals
made and they went on a win a World Series
without him, was hey, you're great, you've been great, but
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we know what it looks like at the end. It's
not pretty. This is who we are. And you make
an offer that's good enough for any of your fans
to say, hey, we did make him a legitimate offer.
We did offer him nine years. It was that big money.
We didn't bring back any money, but you knew it
was an offer he wouldn't take. There's something brilliant to
an offer that somebody won't take. And I think that's
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a little bit of what the Jets are doing. Hey,
we'd love to have you back, but if we have
you back, you got to do these things that we
know you don't want to do. And as we said
two days ago, where you get one report that he
came back and he was told he wasn't wanted, That's
how he takes it, because I'm sure that's how he
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felt about it when he told Jay Glazier. Because Aaron smart,
he saw through it. They gave me an offer that
I had to refuse. Where's the detch Like, no, no, no,
it wasn't offered, like what was a legit offer? We're
just not going to do business with a guy who
doesn't want to come to OTA's and wants to do
a podcast on his day off instead of staying out
of the news and just lock in and on what's important.
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As this divorce plays out publicly, I think Aaron Rodgers
was right for his feelings. They didn't want him back,
but the only way they thought they could work is
if they asked him about some things that were non
negotiables to them and turn out to be non negotiables
for him.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
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Speaker 2 (03:42):
Let's get to what the Fox said and now every
day at this time. In the bonus, we played for
you a previous version of a previous show on Fox
Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Here's Colin Cowherd talking about
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
In my opinion, Aaron will tell you, hey, I'm gonna
wrap it up.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Heck of a career.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
He can say, that's all BS, Aaron needs a third act.
You do not want to be remembered. Farv had success
in Minnesota, Peyton Manning wins a Super Bowl in Denver,
tom Win ones in Tampa. You're known as a quarterback
that leaves Green Bay and the Packers the next year
are better without you, and you bomb in New York
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and become kind of a zany conspiracy theorist. That is
not what you want to be remembered as. Aaron's gonna
tell you, I don't listen to traditional news. I do
my own homework. I don't care about criticism. That's BS.
Everybody hears it. People care what you say about him?
You do, I do?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Everybody does so.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
And what's really interesting here is the Jets do not
have a succession plan. Okay, the Jets don't have a quarterback.
It's a bad quarterback class. This is not just moving
off Aaron Rodgers the quarterback. What the Jets are telling
you is in a quarterback league, they have no succession
plan and they told Aaron, yeah, we're good here. This
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is not an indictment of Aaron the quarterback. He was good.
It's an indictment on Aaron the person.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I think we want to be fair to Aaron Rodgers.
I don't think it's Aaron the person or not airon
the quarterback. I think it's all of it. I think
it's all of it. It's like he wasn't good for
a good amount of time last year and he's going
to be a year older and it would be a
new system. And remember Aaron was the one who dictated
the terms about what system he wanted to play, and
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he's only played in the West Coast. That's what he wants,
and we don't like It's like, hey, we're going to
hire Offensive Cordier fits with you. You got to do
all these other things, like we're just looking at the
sub such linear fashion. If Aaron Rodgers is going to be
your quarterback, you have to run a West Coast offense.
You have to, Okay, simply put, either got to run
mcveigh's style of offense or what he grew up with
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with McCarthy. Nothing else. Okay, he had to learn a
new offense. I don't know what it was six years
ago or something in Green Bay, and he fought it again.
When you get in your forties, you're not going to
learn to do new stuff. He ain't going to another system.
He's not going to play for Kingsbury Style or whatever,
no matter how successful he could be in it, it's
just too new and you have too many, too many
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years of experience with different reads and different calls and
different verbiage. So I'm sure a good portion of it
is like, hey like to have this guy back. We
have to do this, this and this. So asking him
to not do a radio show to be president all
workouts is not actually that big of an ask when
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you consider what the Jets had to give up and return.
I don't think it's an nightment of just him the
person and none of him the quarterback. I think it's
all of it. I think it's the media personality. I
think it's the person. I think it's the quarterback and
it's hey, we would do this, but we're not going
to do it unless you're completely all in on it.
We can't go all in on you. And the one
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part that I totally agree with Colin is it does
say something about what they really think that they don't
have a set succession plan in place, and yet they
still It's not like this is after the draft, they
draft a quarterback, they got who they want, they signed
somebody else. This is like, we would rather start over
than run it back with Eric Missus Brady Quinn talking
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about what happened what will happen with sam Donold this offseason.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
The question of like where he ends up, It seems
like Las Vegas is the one that makes the most
sense because he hasn't been there. It's a new regime.
He could act to be either their quarterback if it
works out, or a bridge quarterback. You don't make the
draft pick of JJ McCarthy unless you want to go
in that direction. So it's a risk, there's no doubt.
But they took a risk before the season anyway, right
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They moved on from Cousins, they moved on from Danil Hunter,
and instead that you got draft capital and they use
that draft capital to find their replacements. So you know,
all those things have kind of led me to think
that I think Kevin O'Connell understands that they've got enough
pieces there. You know, they'll and by the way, they'll
get some compensatory picks out of this anyway. You know,
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when he signs a big deal like that'll end up
benefiting them in the third round at some point. So
I don't know that they're overly focused on signing back
because I don't think they're going to be able to
make the offer that other teams are going to be
able to. So he'll probably be somewhere else, but it
seems like the most likely destination is really one of
the only destinations. And that's one of the reasons why
the dollar value might not be there, because he can't
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create a market for himself given that it's just one
year and a lot of people look at how it
finished with probably a sour taste in their mouth.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, I don't know. My guess is he's got to
remember now he's been in the San Francisco system for
a couple of years and that's the one that he
had his most success in. So if you're looking for
where Sam Donald's going to go. Look at who the
coordinator is. Okay, look at it. The coordinators, the offensive coordinator.
If he comes from the Shanahan tree, that's one in
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which he can be successful. And that's one in which
he compared. Shit, I don't think that's Raiders. I think
that's much more likely to be Aaron Rodgers than it
would be Sam Darld. Here we go again. Here's Dan
Patrick talking about Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
You've got to make some hard decisions this offseason. Patrick
Mahomes may say to Andy Reid, who I thought had
a bad Super Bowl with his play calling and lack
of adjustments. He may say to Andy Reid in the
front office, you got to help me a little bit here.
The dink and dunk is fine. You know, we got
a couple of good running backs, but I need something.
(09:48):
Xavier Worthy is a fast kid, but I got to
have some I gotta have some quality weapons here. And
I don't know if you could say, hey, are we
interested in DeVante Adams? Would you bring Tyreek Hill back?
But you know, Mahomes has kind of suppressed this. I
feel like because they're winning, he's not putting up great numbers.
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His numbers are you know, a little better than average.
Really during the regular season, we know what he is
in the postseason. We can never take that away from him.
But I think I think it was really difficult for
them to be as good as they were record wise,
when it felt like they had to scrape and scrap
and it was down to every I mean, after a while,
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if you're a quarterback, you go, man, I'd like to
have maybe a blowout here. Occasionally. They're not blowing people out.
They don't score like they used to.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, they look they've tried to get wide receivers. They
drafted Savior Worthy and drafted a you know, a tackle
in the second round, and that hasn't panned out as
of yet. So everyone knows their problems. The idea of
skill position guys some house saving the day. It wouldn't
matter if you can't block, it doesn't matter who else
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you have. And he reads the master of the screen pass, right,
That's that's what he's the master of. That's how he's
always helped his offensive line. It didn't matter. They got
to fix their offensive line first and foremost. And is
Dan correct, of course, he's right. He does need a
better team around him. Hey, but they first rebuilt the defense,
have tried to rebuild the offensive line, and they obviously
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came up short. And they've tried to find position players, right,
they remember they had New Hopkins. If you like Devonte
Adams like New Hopkins is an over the hill, former
superstar wide receiver. They've tried that. They've tried that, and
then you got Travis Kelcey, who looks like he's washed.
So imagine replacing one hundred catches a game with a
whole new tight end. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
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Speaker 2 (12:04):
Let's find out who are what is annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
And now it's your annoying?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
What's any Doug, sir?
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Frankly, my head is spinning about this, and you yourself
have added to my confusion. So I'm gonna call you
out a little bit. You know me, I'm always interested
in how things are covered, how things are broken, how
things are you know, the opinions afterwards. This whole story
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about the Luca trade and why it was done under
the dark of night, and what was Nico Harrison's activity
and trying to engage other teams. It's got my head spinning.
So let's go back to the very beginning Saturday night.
It happens, nobody knows about it until it's broken by
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shams or shamps. For the next forty eight hours, we
had NBA insider saying that Dallas didn't shop it because
if it got back to Luca's team, if it got
back to the Mavericks, it would have created chaos and
the asking price would have gone down. And I remember
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thinking when Windhorse and such would say this, like that
doesn't make any sense to me. Sure, if that's the case,
why wouldn't every trade be done that way? And it's
just not the case. I thought in the moment. It
was NBA insiders trying to cover the rast for not
having the scoop. And then Monday starts and we talk
about Luca in the first segment of the show, and you,
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if I'm not mistaken, you also uttered that sentiment. And
it was done in kind of like, of course they
didn't tell anybody because it would have created k and
the asking price would have gone down. If you flash
forward to this week and now there's a couple reports
about Nico Harrison did shop it, and then yesterday on
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the show, you opened the show by saying that if
he would have brought it to market, it would have
driven the asking price up. So now I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Okay, I'll never clarify my stance. The problem with if
it would have gotten out that he was going to
trade him was not I don't believe I ever said
anything about the asking price going down. It was that
once you once that gets out that they're shopping him,
there's no chance of not doing the deal. You understand,
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like it's it's it's like once you go to a
divorce lawyer. Nobody goes to divorce lawyer and goes like, hey,
what would look like if I were to leave her? Right?
And then it gets back to your wife, she's like, wait,
you're going to divorce layer. I'm going to divorce lawyer.
That's the and in basketball it's even more so.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
So.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That was my point was that had it gotten out
that he's shopping him, that it's cooked, that it's over,
and also he probably gets talked out of it and
when you get talked out of it, then you've ruined
the relationship with Luca to begin with.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
If that makes sense, No, no, it does. I swear though,
that portion about asking prize being driven down was a
part of the overall NBA insiders like take on things,
and it was done in kind of like a condescending manner, like,
of course it didn't get out. If they would have
gotten out, it would have created all this a mess.
And I'm like, then why don't why don't all trades
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be conducted that way? So anyways, you flash forward to
our show yesterday. Mark Stein joins us after you had
spent much of our open basically saying that you owe
Nico Harrison an apology because he did shop Luca, he
had contacted the Bucks and whatnot. And then you asked
mark Stein about that.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
What about the calls to Milwaukee and Minnesota? Are those accurately?
Speaker 8 (16:03):
Those have been look those have been reported by other reporters.
I have not independently confirmed those, and I cannot tell you.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
I cannot say.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
That I know for sure that they happened based on
everything I've been told about this. The Lakers were here
on January seventh. I saw the Lakers. I saw Rob
Blinka hours after the first meeting between he and Nico
Harrison to start talking about this trade, and obviously nobody
knew that night except the two of them.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I kind of trust Mark Stein only because I've been
reading him for what twenty five years, He's a journalist.
I don't know where these other reports were from or
from who. It sounds like Nico Harrison might be doing
some damage control, and hopefully the report gets out that
he was shopping him because he's been getting literal death
threats over this. But the whole thing has been annoying
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and head spinning.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Doug, Yeah, I don't know what you know. Like, look,
I love Steiny, but Steini also admitted admitted that these
are not the old Dallas Mavericks. He is not as
tied in with the front office with ownership as he
was when Cuban was in charge. Right, So, I don't
know what to believe. I find it really hard to
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believe that Nico didn't at least call somebody else, even
if he felt like he had a deal in hand,
just as a backup plan in case it fell through.
My stance continues to be assuming that he at least
on some level shopped at to another buyer or two,
but basically he sold him off market. I don't think
he got enough. I don't think he got enough. And
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then there is the contradiction of your frustration. Was Luca
was over his physical conditioning and how injury prone he was.
He traded for Anthony Davis, who was older and has
had the same issues. Now, the one point I do
think is important to make is it feels like he
views Anthony Davis as what we thought Leonard would be,
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which is the best two way player in the NBA.
And that's probably really fair. That's fair, and he thinks
that's the greatest path to consistent success. The problem with
it is he has been injury prone and now he's
already injured again.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Let's go back to the show yesterday, the radio show.
We talked about this, but I do want to it's
Newsworthy tonight. Okay, there is a matchup in women's college
basketball between UCLA and usc Iowa. Sam said all these things,
So I'm just going to trust that he's right. He
might be wrong about a couple of things, but it's
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really it doesn't matter. UCLA is undefeated. I trust him
on that UCLA could win at all. They have a
great team and they have a great post player and
a great coach or whatever they're playing the woman who
I think we spent much of last spring saying was
better than Kitlin Clark. Her talent is better than Caitlyn Clark.
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I think she got a big nil deal. And this
Juju uh not Smith Schuster, but Juju watched something or another.
Why isn't this game like leading ESPN's coverage? And I'm
not this isn't an ESPN thing. It's not anywhere on
any site. Like I've said many times, my job is
to traffic in sports content. And it doesn't even lead
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the ESPN I think has the rights to college basketball
women's college basketball, it's on Peacock and okay, Peacock. But
even if ESPN seems to be very much in bed
with this and need it to succeed, why wouldn't this
be like a bigger deal? And if it isn't a
big deal, does it not kind of support this theory
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that Kaitlin Clark was a unicorn. Everyone pays to see
Kaitlin Klark, goes to see paying Clark buys her things,
and that this like that whole cliche about rising tide
raising all boats or whatever. Not necessarily we're not talking
about this stuff, or is it just too soon out
after the NFL season, And like in three or four weeks,
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I'll be proven wrong and we're gonna be talking about
Win's college basketball on our show again. And first take
is gonna have segments on it.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
She doesn't have what Caitlyn Clark had.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Now.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Part of it is, you know Caitlyn Clark. There was
a following the first year, but it remember she it
got bigger and bigger, She got deeper in the NCAA tournament,
more people saw her play, and it culminated in a
Final four run and a national championship game. And then
she backed it up with another year. So there's a
couple of It takes a while to build it up.
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She's we said this yesterday. She's not in the Midwest,
so there's a different level of following. There is actually
a decent following for USC basketball, more than UCLA women's basketball.
But I would say that you're mostly right. But if
we're fair, the Caitlin Clark thing built up over a
two year span, and she was there for four years
and you know, Like, look, I first heard of Caitlyn
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Clark pretty early on in her junior year. I didn't
know she existed or she was good or anything before that.
So it was in her junior year. This is Juju's
second year. Since she's a true sophomore, I don't think
there's been the time but for the most part her
For the most part, I think it's that people misassociated
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the popularity of women's basketball with the popularity of Kaitlyn
Clark and Caitlyn Clark because she had been there four years,
because she had played it two final fours, because she
shot Steph Curry distance three point shots, she had built
up a following, and then it became a thing of
last year and a half.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
And when it's proven, I don't know if if we'll
ever get like proof that'll convince the WNBA reporters and fans.
But if it is proven that this was just a
Caitlin Clark phenomenon, I want people to hold like Mystic's owner,
what's your face? Accountable? Late last year when she said
why can't the whole DOUBLEBA beyond the cover of Time
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magazine Athlete of the Year, I want her to be
held accountable for those comments and for those that wrote
about that and agreed with that, which was just egregious. Anyways,
Aaron Boone just takes a little bit of set up here.
Aaron Boone is the manager of the Yankees. The Yankees
lost to the Dodgers in the World Series. They lost
in a real embarrassing way. Game five was filled with errors,
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but it was like consistent with what the Yankees had
been doing all year. Wan Soto made up for a
lot of their flaws. They were not a good defensive
team fundamentally. They couldn't run the bases that well either,
but they still made it to the World Series despite that,
and Wan Soda was a big reason for that. Keep
in mind, they don't have won Soto anymore. So. Aaron
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Boone said this recently. Now, I guess the Dodgers have
been doing podcasts, like Chris Taylor and Joe Kelly went
on Mookie Bets podcast and they basically said, it's well
known that the Yankees are gonna shit down their leg
at some point. Uh, that's funny. I love that content.
That's amazing content. It's and it's true, and I love
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that that. Chris Taylor said that out loud. Well, this
is Aaron Boone's reaction going into the season here.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
Don't like hearing that, But the reality is, you know,
we didn't play our best in the series and and
they won, so you know they have that right to
say whatever. Hopefully, hopefully we're in that position next year
and handle things will look a little more class.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Hopefully we'll handle things with a little bit more class. Now,
there's a couple of ways to go with this. Your
fans assaulted and grabbed the ball from our right fielder.
Not classy, Not classy at all. And Brett Aaron Boone
is known for a lot, but the main thing he's
known for he seemed to be like every two weeks
in the news like motherfuckering umpires being on a hot mic,
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mother fuckering umpires. Know where the class is and that
And by the way, when you say that you're hopefully
going to be in a position to show more class,
Juan Soto went across the street. So you're not going
to show up in a position to have more class.
Your lack of fundamentals and how many holes you have
in your team is a direct reflection of you, the manager, the.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Coaching Yeah, okay, so what's the annoying part.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
That Aaron Boone says that the next time or when
they win, they'll handle this with more class than the
Dodgers did.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, Like I I get it, I don't. I don't
think it rises up to love. So what are my
choices here? Because they are my choices Aaron Boone saying
when they win, they'll be they'll be classy as opposed
to the Dodgers.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Yeah, the head spinning, annoying storyline of the Luca deal
being being reported on and the fact that U C. L.
A USC isn't the leads on ESPN or any other.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
New continue to be told women's basketball is such a
big thing.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
It's annoying that it is because we kept being told
by those that follow women's basketball that this was just
the tip of the iceberg, that this sport had been
on an incline for many years. But Caitlin Clark has
just taken it to a new level and we're going
to start talking college or women's basketball like we do
the major three or four sports.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well, who, there's a lot to bite off there. Can
I ask you something? As a Dodger fan, had every
at each of those teams that had previously beaten the
Dodgers in the World Series. Had they said, hey, everybody
knows the Dodgers choke when they get to the playoffs,
would you be okay with that because.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
It's a good thing. I was telling you on this
podcast the same thing. They were chokers absolutely.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Until they weren't correct. Got it. Yeah, I'm gonna disagree
with you on all fronts there, let's go to Yeah.
I do think it's annoying that we have women's basketball
just being sort of shout down our throats, like you
went to a three on three league up against the
NFL and college sports like, and I thought that was
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it he was talking about. I think it was Saquon
Barkley who was talking about Taylor Swift being bowed. But
he said, hey, we just want to grow the game. However,
we grow the game right. And it's interesting because the
NFL is the most powerful sport, but they all seem
to get it what growing the game means, whereas WNBA
players and coaches outside of Caitlin Clark do not. So
(26:44):
I'll say that's the most that I.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Why are we doing this? Because we can.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
I never quite know where to go with the pronunciation here.
I think it's a mon Saint Brown. Ai'm in Saint Brown,
Ross st Brown, I'm on Ross Brown all pro for
the Lions receiver. He wants a piece of the Commanders
on Opening Night? Or Eagles, Oh, Eagles, he wants a
piece of the Eagles.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Go ahead, Eagles have the home opener next year because
they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
You don't want the smoke?
Speaker 7 (27:18):
Can you read you the list of teams that could
potentially be in that first game? Commanders, Cowboys, Giants, Bears, Lions, Raiders, Rams, Broncos.
Speaker 9 (27:30):
Out of all.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
Those teams, what like, if you're the NFL, who are
you putting in there?
Speaker 9 (27:33):
Lions, Lions or Commanders.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
That's what I'm saying. So we might be playing more.
They probably take.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
The Lions, Honestly, I feel like they have to.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
They don't, I mean or Commanders, but really Lions, like
and you can really see what would happen in the
change not really but ye what a healthy defense. Yeah,
their team's not gonna change it much. I mean it
might change it a little, but your team wasn't healthiest. Thing.
That's part of the game.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
Like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
You would see what are our healthy defense? How that ship?
How many industry you guys really had, Let's be honest,
like thirteen on defense.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, that's how we think we're we think we're better.
I actually I like it. I like it. Why can't
play for you because we can? And why can they
say it? Because? I mean everybody would would want to
know what it was actually like. Injuries were a legit
factor and it shows what players, no matter what they
say normally, what they truly believe is if we were healthy,
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we're better than them, which would be crazy because of
how dominant they were over the Uh over the Kansasity
Chiefs in the Super Bowl. To begin with, why couldn't
play for you because we can? That's it for In
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