March 24, 2025 • 31 mins
Doug riffs about the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament. Doug welcomes national champion heavyweight wrestler from Oklahoma State Wyatt Hendrickson onto the show to talk about his upset win over Gable Steveson. Plus, Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on the transfer portal in college hoops.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottli Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gotton What Doug.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Ovin count about it? Radio? How you doing? Wegman? Hey,
how are you h I got two things for you
here in the open. You know, it's always fascinating to me,
and this is this is how things work in our society.
I was hosting The Herd on Friday, and this is
(00:33):
coming off of Ronnie James having seventeen points, far and
away his best offensive output in an NBA game. Now
he was a minus thirty six, a minus thirty six,
meaning the Lakers when he was on the floor, they
were thirty six and he only played I don't know,
he played thirty minutes, but they were thirty six points
worse than their opponent, and they had all their backups
(00:53):
in G League guy's plan whatever, thirty six points worse
than their opponent when he was on the floor. But
again plus minus is not everything. But he had seventeen,
hit a bunch of threes. He shot a good percentage.
And so what you know, what I think Steve A.
Smith is like the guys wanted, like following the sword
I was wrong, Like he's a player like that's not
(01:15):
how it works. And I bring it up only in
that yesterday or I don't know his day before all
the gate days come together where the Lakers get blown
out by the Chicago Bulls who are not in the
league team and Bronnie played and he was four zero
from two from three whatever. And again I'm not saying
(01:36):
I don't start the show or start the podcast with
the idea in mind like I'm gonna just stump on
Bronnie James. My point is, I feel like I'm the
only guy that has the ability to actually have some
balance here. And my point that I made on Friday
and the Herd was that was the first time he
looked like he might be an NBA player. The problem
is I didn't watch the whole game. I don't know
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if he have defended, if he passed or whatever, he
turned the ball over, what he did. Nothing he's done
outside of that is shown to be an NBA player.
There's not a moment that he has played in the
NBA game outside of that game, and that was only
making shots. And people do make the mistake of pointing
out that, well, a guy made shots, therefore he must
be an NBA player. Like no, an NBA player us
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to do a bunch of other things in order to
be an NBA player. But again, in getting into it,
this is the regressing to the mean. This is why
averages are kept. And so when you go four of
two from three and he have some turnovers, you sit
there and go, hold on, dude, wait a second. Let's
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not freak out over one good shooting performance in a
game that was non competitive, and you played a bunch
of minutes and where your team was non competitive. In
let's look at the whole picture. And the whole picture
continues to say he's not an NBA player. But again,
I'm the only one who seems to have the balance
in it. I thought he should have gone back to college,
played a duquane some numbers got his confidence up. He
(03:02):
clearly has maintained his confidence in taking shots, no matter
if he makes them or doesn't make them. But he's
had two quality shooting games in the G League and
one quality shooting game in the NBA. Granted, in the
NBA he hasn't played enough minutes, but it's because the
minutes he has played, he hasn't looked like an NBA player, right,
(03:22):
that's actually being balanced. That's actually being fair. So what
you'll hear from people is that they'll actually not pay
attention to the weekend. They'll only pay attention when he
did Thursday. And like, again, if you're an NBA player,
you got to the NBA player, you know, fifty out
of eighty two games, not one out of eighty two games.
It makes sense. Okay, let's get to the weekend. I
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pointed this out on social media and I don't know
my players, like, what do you mean by that, coach?
And my point is if you look at all the
SEC teams that are in the sweet sixteen, the big
ten teams are in the sweet sixteen, And it's not
a blanket. It's not just if you throw money at
the problem, you're going to be good. But the teams
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that are ultimately successful at the top of the sport
are all paying a bunch of money, you know, Like, yeah,
the Dodgers are better than everybody else because they haven't
spent more money than everybody else. It hasn't always worked
out in winning a World Series title, but they know
what they're doing, right. Red Sox Yankees and Red Sox
of course have hit refresh and gone. Now they have
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the best farm system in baseball, and eventually, if you
spend smartly, or even if you just spend more, you
got a better chance of being successful. And there's a
lot of there's a lot of discussion in regards to
the rest of the rest of college basketball and what works,
(04:48):
what doesn't work, what we like, what we don't like,
you know, whether or not it was a travel or
not a travel, all that other stuff. Those are cool,
interesting discussions. I have no problem in having them. But
if you want to compete at the top of the sport,
at the top of the sport, or even within your league,
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you know, it's like I don't I'm not making excuses
for my team's performance or for the things that we
failed in. But I also know that where we were
in terms of spending for the league, and so with
that mind, like we have to raise more and spend
more money to have a better product out there. That
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doesn't mean we just throw money in a problem and think, oh,
all of a sudden, it's it's fixed. You know, don't
worry about it like we we got that think like, no,
that's that doesn't work that way either. So if you
look at this, I was looking at all all of
these and and uh I put this, I didn't say
what teams on social media. But again, let's look honestly
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at it. A NCAA tournament. Okay, Thursday, Creighton beat Louisville.
That's an upset, but Creighton spends a lot of money.
They don't stay and spend Louisville money. But they spent.
They spend a lot of money, but still an upset. Uh,
Purdue over High Point. High Point spends a lot of money,
not as much as Purdue. Obviously, Wisconsin o ver Montana,
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same thing. Houston over SIU. E wasn't close. People want
to say, you know, McNeice is like a million five
and I think Clemson is probably less than that. To
be honest with you, it wasn't an nil upset. It
wasn't Gonzaga over Georgia. Not an nil upset BYU spends
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a ton of money. Of course, they beat VCU Arkansas Kansas.
Now Kansas supposedly spent like seven million dollars reportedly, but
Arkansas's mag that whatever. That's a wash. Drake over Missouri
is an nil upset. Drake over Missouri that was the
one on Thursday. That's the one I could tell you unequivocally,
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and Creighton probably is too, but not so great. You know,
they had twenty five year old point guard Stephen Ashworth.
They have Kolkinbrenner who's been there forever like they're old.
They're really good, really well coached, and yeah, they spend
some money to keep their guys on. On Friday, Colorado
State over Memphis was an ANIL upset, but Baylor over
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Mississippi State not really. It's kind of it feels like
a wash. Saint Mary's over Vandy, that one probably isn't
an IL upset. I don't know what Vandy spent. Saint
Mary's is over a million. I believe New mexicover Marquette.
Both teams have a bunch of money. Maybe mild mild upset.
Akron spends a ton of money, a ton for their level,
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but against Arizona, no shot, that was it. Those are
really the only upsets, That's what I give you. So
it's weird what's happened to college basketball, and some of
it is confirmation bias. But if you spend, you're gonna
be pretty good.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Be short to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb Show.
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Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay, here in the Doug out Leab Show, in the
Bonus Podcast, we have a special guest and like, look,
part of this is obviously I'm an Oklahoma State alum,
and I've always had a special place in my heart
for for wrestlers. One it's I there's a there's a
credo I that I share with with with friends of
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mine that went to Oklahoma State, which is three things
will survive the nuclear holocaust, right, Twinkies, cockroaches, and wrestlers. Right, Like,
if you want to make friends on campus, make friends
with wrestlers. They're not only good dudes, but when when
when there's a scrap, those are the guys that will survive.
And you know, look, there's other elements to this story
where you know, in college basketball. We talked about this
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at the start of the radio show. We started talking
about this and started the podcast, which is like, look, nil,
I mean money has affected everything in college sports, and
it doesn't mean that there's no nil wrestling. There is
and I'm not trying to act like there's some purity
to it that there isn't other sports. But it is
one of the original five Rings of the Olympics. And
(09:17):
this story is so good that I just if you
haven't heard about it, I thought this is a great
chance to tell the story. So the young man's name
is Wyatt Hendrickson. He is a second lieutenant in the
Air Force. He's from Newton, Kansas. He goes to the
Air Force Academy, and he'll tell that part of the story.
(09:37):
But Saturday night, the National Championships are in Minneapolis. In Minneapolis,
and there's a wrestler named Gable Stevenson. There's a movie
from the eighties called Vision Quest okay, and the unbeatable
wrestler was Brian Shoot. Gable Stevenson is is the real thing, right,
He's gonna be a UFC guy. He has been, you know,
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like he's he's he's won seventy matches in a row.
He's a gold medalist, I mean literally, like the unbeatable
guy in the heavyweight division. And well, I mean again
by now, maybe you don't know if you're listening to
the story, he was upset Saturday night in the National Championship,
(10:20):
the last time he'll have a wrestle going against the
guy who uh is the last time he'll have a
wrestle for Oklahoma State in the only year he's wrestled
for Oklham State. And look, you can there's all kinds
of things that have happened with COVID and guys getting
an extra year and and things are a little bit murky,
and you know, is he really wrestling for us or
is he wrestling for a paycheck? Not talk about this guy.
(10:40):
Not talk about these guys. But there's lots of negatives
you can take away from any story if you want to.
Here's the positive. The guy's actually a second lieutenant in
the Air Force. He actually did beat supposedly unbeatable guy,
and it was at the very last twenty seconds or
so of the match. And like, look, you can think
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however you want to think about President Trump. I did
not vote for him, full disclosure, didn't vote for him,
wouldn't vote for him. But was it seventy seven million
people did? And he is, he's our commander in chief.
He's there. And so here you have a second lieutenant
in the Air Force win this unbelievable upset and he's
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draped in the American flag and then he spots the
president and he salutes the president and shakes and you
were just like, it was a really cool moment. And
while while this weekend felt a little licky watching college basketball,
for kind of honest with ourselves right where you have
just the teams that had the most money won, That's
really what it was. Not all of them, but I
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think all but three or four. This was an upset
and felt more like college basketball's opening round of the tournament.
Used to feel that that's maybe a better way to
put it. So I just thought, we gotta have this
guy on, and so let's do it. Let's have Wide Hendrickson,
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who's now a national champion in the heavyweight division, who
beat the previously unbeaten on the year Gable Stevenson joined
us in the Doug Otlieb Show. You're on Fox Sport
Tradio White. How are you?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I am wonderful, Yeah, thanks for having me on. I
think the one word I would describe that that entire
night would be would be faith. You know, I think
from the outside view, you know, people were looking at
that match saying like this can't be done. You know,
they're like all if you look at any media outlet,
it's like this is a joke. This is a waste
of time. It's the last match of the evening. Why
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would you put a stupid match for this? You know,
David Goliath like there's no way this is going to happen,
Like there's a zero percent chance he wins, Like it's
a done deal. You know, the hodges Gables. You know,
he's he's Olympic champ, two time national champ. And the
one thing that me and my team had was faith.
You know, I believed that I had what it's supposed
to be a national champion. We had a game plan,
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you know, we had a vision. I had a vision
of victory. I executed the plan perfectly. You know that
last thirty seconds when you get in la on a
national champion and an Olympic gold medalist, it's not going
to be an easy finish. It took me a good
you know, ten to fifteen seconds. I circled around the
mat twice. But I had faith, you know, and it
worked out. You know, the final twenty seconds fifteen ten
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five seconds buzz and it felt like a century. But
all I knew is that I was going to be
crowned in that you know, that national champion. It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, I mean, so many things had to happen in
order to get you in that position. That's probably me
the remarkable story for people who know why. It's a
second lieutenant in the Air Force. You went to the
Air Force Academy, You wrestled for the Air Force Academy,
but like you almost didn't even go to the Air Force, right,
Like when you're in it was COVID year. You were
a COVID year senior, weren't you.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, so you know COVID hit, my hit my freshman year.
And so I've actually I've been active duty since twenty nineteen.
And there's a program in the Air Force called the
World Class Athlete Program. And after wrestling at the Air
Force Academy for four years, there's no graduate school at
the Air Force Academy, and so you know, we send
about twenty percent of the graduating class the grad school
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right away, and obviously it can't be at the Air
Force Academy. And I chose to go to Oklahoma State,
and with that extra year of eligibility, I decided to
wrestle obviously, and the World Class Athlete Program was obviously
okay with that. They supported me through it and so
as soon as I'm you know, i just finished my
collegiate year, but I'm still going to be around for
three more years with the support of the world class
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athlete program in the United States Air Force behind me,
so I can pursue my goal of being a twenty
twenty eight Olympic champion.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So you get done last year right at the airport,
but you had the extra COVID year. Take me through
the process of how you ended up at Oklahoma State
after finishing up at the Air Force Academy because they
don't offer they didn't you wouldn't be allowed to do
the extra year there.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Correct, Yes, at the Air Force Academy, it was you know,
it's four years and done. There's no way around it.
That's the way the Air Force Academy rolls. There's no
extra years there. And so when I was looking at
a couple of different schools to go to, and I
obviously picked out a couple that I knew were notorious
and you know, had a legacy of rich wrestling history.
And you know, Coach Taylor has always been a role
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model of mine since I was ten years old. And
he gave me a call. I'm like, hey, I would
like you to come represent Oklahoma State and Russell for
the Cowboys, and you know, it was really just the
rest is history. Obviously, decided to come to Oklahoma State
because I knew that the coaches here would be able
to help me develop my wrestling even more, build on
the foundation that the Air Force Academy had built the
(15:38):
past four years.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Okay, So, so David Taylor takes over at Oklahoma State,
right Oaklham State obviously at the College Wrestling Hall of Fame,
right next to Gallagh Rava where you guys call home.
But David Taylor's unconventional path right, a champion in his
own right, but he wasn't a college wrestling coach. What
was the communication like that led you to go to
Oaklham State.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean that was a big topic that a
lot of people brought up to me, because being a
head coach is it's not a small seat whatsoever, you know,
taking over the shoes and stepping into the shoes of
you know, John Smith, those are some big shoes to fill,
and so I kind of talked I talked him a
little bit, and I mean, as most people know, he's
he runs his own wrestling club and he did in Pennsylvania,
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and you know, I've I've even actually ran into him
at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, you know,
where the Air Force Academy is also located, and he'd
already been, you know, giving me tips and helping me
out with some wrestling, and so I knew that our styles,
you know, we could collaborate with each other. And I
already kind of had a little taste of what he's
capable of. Obviously, you know, his accolades are you know, insane,
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you know, Olympic, Olympic gold medalists, multiple time world champion,
you know, national champion, and so I kind of I
had a good feeling about it, you know, I kind
of had a sense of reassurrement that hey, this is
where I'm supposed to be. You know, I prayed about it,
and ultimately I just I was just being drawn to
Oklahoma State.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You mentioned a post match about the different difference in
coaching at Oklahoma State and the different and you talked
about your team, how you guys had a great plan.
It struck me as they were talking more coaching, more
on process than result. How different is that? How than
how most wrestling coaches have coached you throughout your career.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, I think a lot of you know, that's the
biggest thing is there's no perfect coach. There's no perfect
there's no perfect anything, because every single person is different. Well,
you know, what works for somebody might not work for
someone else. And so I think just the different perspectives
I've been able to gather from Oklahoma State, it's it's
just it's clicked with me, you know, unlike anything's ever
(17:44):
flicked with me in the past. So having them around
and having them say the right things, because I mean,
most people, you know, it's not what you say, it's
how you say it. And so you know, hearing someone
something for multiple different people, you're gonna take it a
different way. And you know, I just think that coach
Taylor and I had that, you know, I said, just
we had a good sense of understanding amongst each other.
(18:04):
I understood what he meant when he said the simple things.
She never over overcomplicated it. You know, all he said
to me before that match was make it hard and
give him seven minutes of your best. You know, He's like,
you just stay patient, you know, be confident. Just small
things like that and That's all I needed to hear,
you know, And so just the smallerminders even during the match,
(18:25):
you know, whenever they were throwing the challenge brick and
before I went out there, everything you can just see.
All it took was a brief moment of being, you know,
in the moment, taking a deep breath, a couple of words,
and a bam, we're back at it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Okay, So before the match starts, right, you got the
American flag and you're walking around, and it felt like
again we're outsiders, and I'm again at full disclosure, I'm
an outsider to the world of college wrestling. I love it.
I watch it, but I can't tell you that I
follow it, you know, with great depth. So was was
he trying a big dog? Yet? As you walked around
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the matt what was going on in the interaction between
the two of you before the match?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
He was you know, in the moment, I was focused,
I had television, nothing could get in my way, So
I didn't really pay attention to what he was trying
to do, whatever mental games he was trying to play,
I didn't pay much attention to it. After the match,
I rewatched, I saw what he was doing, and I
was trying to recall in my memory, like, man, what
did he say? And he took it as a little
bit of disrespect. He didn't think I don't think he
(19:25):
thought that I deserve to do that because you know,
as you know, I mean, I have been a world champion.
I was a U twenty three world champion. I've draped
that American flag over my shoulders, ran around them. Not
I mean that it is more of a conventional thing
to see in freestyle, you know, the world style of wrestling.
You know, Gable was the Olympic gold medal. His teams
ran with that flag around his shoulders. But you know,
I just I like, I wanted to bring that flag
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out there because I'm very proud of what I do.
You know, I'm a member of the United States Air Force.
I support this country. I love this country. I'd laved
my life on the line for this country, and I
want people to know that this is an unconventional thing that,
you know, being as a second lieuten going out in
the represent not only myself in Oklahoma State, but the
United States Air Force. I take pride in them, and
I think it's completely fitting for me to want to
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rep my American flag, you know, when I'm going out
there to win a national title, and he just kind
of took some disrespect to it. As you can see,
he was just looking shaking his head, trying to get
in my face, and I think, you know, he was
kind of portraying like, hey, you don't deserve to do this,
you know, like this this is my this is my town,
this is my Matt, this is my this is my championship.
And as we know, that's not what happened. You know,
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after that match, it was, oh, it was the sweetest
thing ever. It was just unreal. I collapsed. I didn't
I didn't know what to do because okay.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Wait, wait, wait, wait before we get hold on, before
we get to that, before we get to that end
of the second period, okay, And they had to go
to replay to see if he could he scored points
on a takedown at the very end. It was like,
right after triple zeros, what's that like mental game wise,
as you're waiting preparing for the third period and you're
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and meanwhile the replay is taking place, what's that right?
Like in wrestling?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So this this is this is what happened here, because
you know, I'm pretty good at you know, I was
reading the room. This is what happened. Gable movie didn't
take me down. I knew Gabble didn't take me down.
All he did was in still more confidence in me
because he was tired. He was feeling me. The national champ,
the world champ, the Olympic champ, was feeling the fresh
I walked over to coach Taylor and I'm like, Coach,
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he's tired, Like she knows you didn't get that too.
He's tired, he's feeling it, and he's like, yeah, I know,
go get it, Go take what's yours. And so whenever
he took that break, I was like, dude, you just
told me that you're tired, because I mean, if you're
a wrestling fan, that was nowhere close to two points.
He wanted, he needed a break, and I was like, dude,
this is mine for the taking, like like this this
is gonna work, and Coach Taylor was like, yes, I know,
(21:45):
let's go get it.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Okay. So so third period, clock's running down, like do
you have a clock in your mind? Do you do?
You can you see the clock because look, you're in
the middle of a dome, the place is going crazy.
I'm sure you can't hear take me through the timing
of when you go through the final points that end
up winning you the match.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah. So we always talk about in wrestling, you know,
if you attacked earlier in the match, it's it's better
because you know, if you make a mistake, you have
time to fix that mistake. Well, I knew that against
the wrestler like Gable, I needed to find my find
my shot, find my one chance, and take it. And
I was only going to have one chance, because you know,
Gable's tough getting up and holding them down. You know,
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it's if you got to do something for a minute,
you know, it's obviously more difficult. But I just had
faith that, hey, if I go out there and I
take a committed shot and take him down, I will
hold him down. But I obviously don't have to hold
him down for as longer than I have to. But
I think it was just I was hitting my face,
I was moving him around the mat, and this it
just felt right. I took that shot. It wasn't beautiful
at first, but you know, a couple of knee slides later,
(22:49):
a little bit of a little bit of extra courage
and faith and boom, I took him down and I
was I just felt and break. I'm like, this is it,
this is it. I am beating Gable Stevenson.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
So the match concludes, you win, you collapsed the met
At what point did you go the President's here? What? When? When?
When did you when did you notice that President Trump
was there?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So I did hear who was going to be there previously?
And actually he was supposed to leave two matches before
the end of the tournament to beat up beat the
rush and everything. But I actually ran into Uh. I
had the life, really had the honor and the privilege
of meeting President Trump three years ago in Tulsa when
he was previously at the National Championships. You know, I
don't even all American that year, but I met him.
(23:35):
You know, I just got a quick word in with him,
and you know, realize that he's got a big heart
for people that want to serve, you know, I mean,
he's a commander in chief and so, uh, you know,
Senator Mullen was with him, Mark Waynemullen and he was like,
hey man, it's about time to go, and you know
Trump President Trump and was like, hey, I got to
watch my big guy, and so just knowing that he
(23:55):
wanted to stay and watch that, because I mean even
hearing that he wanted to support even no matter what,
you know, I was going up against a really big,
big opponent, you know, and I think just having that
moment to you know, show my appreciation to President Trump
and like that, that that right there is a moment
I will learner for the rest of my life.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's that's a picture that's going to go on my
wall and I'll be able to relive that moment in
history forever. No one will ever be able to take
that away from me. The time where you know, I
was there, my big boss was there, and he was
able to witness history in the making, and you know,
it's just it's a blessing and honor and oh man,
I just just thinking about it, I'm getting goosebumps all
over again.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's incredibly special, incredibly special moment and uh, just amazing
to catch up with you. Why congratulations on being a
national champion. Uh it was really really special, not just
as an Oklahoma state alone, but you know, as a
citizen knowing what you lay on the line for this
country and so many in the Air Force do as well.
Thanks for your service and thank you for joining us
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yes, thank you guys so much. Have a good one.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug Gottlieb
Show weekday, he said, three pm Eastern Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Left Kid, the Fox says, And now every day, this
time in the Bonus Podcast, you play for you a
portion of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio Fox
Sports One. This is uh Dan Patrick talking about the
transfer portal.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
By the way, happy Transfer Portal Day today. Of course
it should be on a Monday, after you know what
happened over the weekend and the Sweet sixteen coming up.
Why do we have the transfer portal during tournament play?
Why do we have the transfer portal during the Bulls
season as well? Now I know the timing of semesters
(25:43):
with schools, but it's just a bad look. Imagine if
you're coaching in the Sweet sixteen and you know, maybe one,
maybe two of your players would be playing for somebody else,
and I could envision this scenario, you know, at the
end of the game, and the coaches walk by and
walk by, and the players walk by you. Imagine a coach,
let's say he just lost or you just lost, and
(26:06):
he'll be like, a, hey, why don't you get in
the transfer portal. We'll see you next year. Congratulations, congratulations, congratulations, Hey,
transfer portal, congratulations, congratulations. It's just a bad look. You
don't need to at least you shouldn't have it during
tournament time. And I guarantee there are players who are
playing who will not be playing with their school next year. Guarantee.
(26:29):
You know you can tell. The analysts do not like
talking about the transfer portal. They do not, but it's real.
It's right there in front of us. It's happening right
in front of us.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah. I again, I don't think they don't like talking
about it. I think generally most of the people who
are calling NCAA tournament games they The problem with CBS
has always been when you have the turner guys, they
have no idea about transfer portal whatever. And yes, absolutely
(27:03):
you don't shake guys hands go transfer portal. You do
things like hey, is that your mom? Ay man, good game,
But you also don't the world's a small world. It's
not hard to connect with people. I'm sitting here at
my desk doing our broadcast, and I can tell you unequivocally,
like transfer portal day is the portal's kind of been open.
(27:25):
You just walk tread lightly on it, and you know
your morning's phone calls are with all the agents you respect,
and you try and figure out who do they have,
what the what's the kid looking for, and what fits
into what fits in your program personnel wise, personality wise
and budget wise. That's how it works. I don't know
(27:48):
why I can tell you Football they have it during
bowl season because you know, guys transfer in for spring semester,
so it has to work out that way. Basketball. I
have no idea why they have it. Then there's no
reason you can't wait till the tournament's over. You know,
I saw you know there's I think is that Scotty
Pippenson who's at Michigan like put himself in the portal
(28:08):
and they're still playing Like that's just a terrible look.
There's no reason that you can't wait if you're in
the tournament. But the portal should not be open today,
should be open the day after the national championship game
period STP. This is Brady Quinn talking about spring games
in college football.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I think it's awesome. I think it's awesome for college football.
I think it's It's one of the things when you
see other big programs who are choosing not to have
their spring game, and yet he's looking at it as
an opportunity not only to see what he has in
his players, but also to promote his brand, his team's brands,
the players brands. And I think not that you know,
(28:45):
use my alma mater as an example, but you know,
Marcus Freeman said it best, like the spring games to me,
are a really unbelievable way of integrating your entire community
into the sport of foot ball. There's still the sense
of celebration of the sport, of the team, of the
university what it is, and you get that opportunity to
(29:08):
be able to celebrate it with all sports and really everyone.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That's involved to be a part of it.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
You know, you don't have an opposing fan base, you know,
coming in there to try to kind of ruin that.
So I just I've got some fond memories of it
from my time there, not only just playing the game
itself and everything leading up to it, but I mean
cool moments Charlie Wises had you know lu Holtz come back,
Joe Thaisman come back, Jerome Bettis came back, like so
many greats that you got the chance to go back
(29:36):
and maybe kind of talking and you know, coaching you
up or saying some things here or there. Those are
just they're not opportunities that come around all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, Look, I I love this idea of playing an
opponent in a spring game, and I put it out
on social media. I think for men's college basketball, like
we we have, it's obviously a longer season goes through
two semesters, but they've allowed exhibition games to be against
other Division one opponents as well, and you can do it,
(30:06):
you know, for charity. So you'll have some of these
the big schools playing the big schools or sometimes you know,
Michigan State played at Northern Michigan this year, which is
really really cool. You know, we're trying to do it
to where we get a Wisconsin to come and play us,
you know down the street at the Rest Center, you know,
the day of or day before a Packer game. We'd
love to have that happen. But I want the next
(30:27):
step is I'd love to have jamborees a jamboree in
basketball is like you play multiple games in a day. Like,
why can't we bring three teams in here at about
our level? You know, bring one from the Mac, bring
one from the Summit League, you know, one from the
Valley and we all play and like you know, we
play each three different games maybe in two days, so
that we really get a sense of what we have
(30:48):
on our roster. You know, especially when you're putting together
new rosters every year, it's so important to get a
real feel for what you got because I mean, you
don't know until you play your first game, and a
lot of times at this level, our first games are
again it's bigger opponents. But as for Dion, it's a
brilliant move. Why should you play against one of your buddies?
You know. The only thing obviously is injuries, And I
(31:09):
think what people fear is they fear, hey, if somebody
gets good tape, then they're going to leave in the
transfer portal. Again, that should be once you're on campus
in the spring, you're there for that year. You're there
for that year. But it's a great idea, and I
credit Dion for coming up with it. If he's the
one who came up with or first to execute it.
That's what the Fox says say. All right, that's it
(31:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Ovin count about it? Radio? How you doing? Wegman? Hey,
how are you h I got two things for you
here in the open. You know, it's always fascinating to me,
and this is this is how things work in our society.
I was hosting The Herd on Friday, and this is
(00:33):
coming off of Ronnie James having seventeen points, far and
away his best offensive output in an NBA game. Now
he was a minus thirty six, a minus thirty six,
meaning the Lakers when he was on the floor, they
were thirty six and he only played I don't know,
he played thirty minutes, but they were thirty six points
worse than their opponent, and they had all their backups
(00:53):
in G League guy's plan whatever, thirty six points worse
than their opponent when he was on the floor. But
again plus minus is not everything. But he had seventeen,
hit a bunch of threes. He shot a good percentage.
And so what you know, what I think Steve A.
Smith is like the guys wanted, like following the sword
I was wrong, Like he's a player like that's not
(01:15):
how it works. And I bring it up only in
that yesterday or I don't know his day before all
the gate days come together where the Lakers get blown
out by the Chicago Bulls who are not in the
league team and Bronnie played and he was four zero
from two from three whatever. And again I'm not saying
(01:36):
I don't start the show or start the podcast with
the idea in mind like I'm gonna just stump on
Bronnie James. My point is, I feel like I'm the
only guy that has the ability to actually have some
balance here. And my point that I made on Friday
and the Herd was that was the first time he
looked like he might be an NBA player. The problem
is I didn't watch the whole game. I don't know
(01:56):
if he have defended, if he passed or whatever, he
turned the ball over, what he did. Nothing he's done
outside of that is shown to be an NBA player.
There's not a moment that he has played in the
NBA game outside of that game, and that was only
making shots. And people do make the mistake of pointing
out that, well, a guy made shots, therefore he must
be an NBA player. Like no, an NBA player us
(02:18):
to do a bunch of other things in order to
be an NBA player. But again, in getting into it,
this is the regressing to the mean. This is why
averages are kept. And so when you go four of
two from three and he have some turnovers, you sit
there and go, hold on, dude, wait a second. Let's
(02:39):
not freak out over one good shooting performance in a
game that was non competitive, and you played a bunch
of minutes and where your team was non competitive. In
let's look at the whole picture. And the whole picture
continues to say he's not an NBA player. But again,
I'm the only one who seems to have the balance
in it. I thought he should have gone back to college,
played a duquane some numbers got his confidence up. He
(03:02):
clearly has maintained his confidence in taking shots, no matter
if he makes them or doesn't make them. But he's
had two quality shooting games in the G League and
one quality shooting game in the NBA. Granted, in the
NBA he hasn't played enough minutes, but it's because the
minutes he has played, he hasn't looked like an NBA player, right,
(03:22):
that's actually being balanced. That's actually being fair. So what
you'll hear from people is that they'll actually not pay
attention to the weekend. They'll only pay attention when he
did Thursday. And like, again, if you're an NBA player,
you got to the NBA player, you know, fifty out
of eighty two games, not one out of eighty two games.
It makes sense. Okay, let's get to the weekend. I
(03:44):
pointed this out on social media and I don't know
my players, like, what do you mean by that, coach?
And my point is if you look at all the
SEC teams that are in the sweet sixteen, the big
ten teams are in the sweet sixteen, And it's not
a blanket. It's not just if you throw money at
the problem, you're going to be good. But the teams
(04:05):
that are ultimately successful at the top of the sport
are all paying a bunch of money, you know, Like, yeah,
the Dodgers are better than everybody else because they haven't
spent more money than everybody else. It hasn't always worked
out in winning a World Series title, but they know
what they're doing, right. Red Sox Yankees and Red Sox
of course have hit refresh and gone. Now they have
(04:26):
the best farm system in baseball, and eventually, if you
spend smartly, or even if you just spend more, you
got a better chance of being successful. And there's a
lot of there's a lot of discussion in regards to
the rest of the rest of college basketball and what works,
(04:48):
what doesn't work, what we like, what we don't like,
you know, whether or not it was a travel or
not a travel, all that other stuff. Those are cool,
interesting discussions. I have no problem in having them. But
if you want to compete at the top of the sport,
at the top of the sport, or even within your league,
(05:11):
you know, it's like I don't I'm not making excuses
for my team's performance or for the things that we
failed in. But I also know that where we were
in terms of spending for the league, and so with
that mind, like we have to raise more and spend
more money to have a better product out there. That
(05:32):
doesn't mean we just throw money in a problem and think, oh,
all of a sudden, it's it's fixed. You know, don't
worry about it like we we got that think like, no,
that's that doesn't work that way either. So if you
look at this, I was looking at all all of
these and and uh I put this, I didn't say
what teams on social media. But again, let's look honestly
(05:55):
at it. A NCAA tournament. Okay, Thursday, Creighton beat Louisville.
That's an upset, but Creighton spends a lot of money.
They don't stay and spend Louisville money. But they spent.
They spend a lot of money, but still an upset. Uh,
Purdue over High Point. High Point spends a lot of money,
not as much as Purdue. Obviously, Wisconsin o ver Montana,
(06:17):
same thing. Houston over SIU. E wasn't close. People want
to say, you know, McNeice is like a million five
and I think Clemson is probably less than that. To
be honest with you, it wasn't an nil upset. It
wasn't Gonzaga over Georgia. Not an nil upset BYU spends
(06:39):
a ton of money. Of course, they beat VCU Arkansas Kansas.
Now Kansas supposedly spent like seven million dollars reportedly, but
Arkansas's mag that whatever. That's a wash. Drake over Missouri
is an nil upset. Drake over Missouri that was the
one on Thursday. That's the one I could tell you unequivocally,
(06:59):
and Creighton probably is too, but not so great. You know,
they had twenty five year old point guard Stephen Ashworth.
They have Kolkinbrenner who's been there forever like they're old.
They're really good, really well coached, and yeah, they spend
some money to keep their guys on. On Friday, Colorado
State over Memphis was an ANIL upset, but Baylor over
(07:21):
Mississippi State not really. It's kind of it feels like
a wash. Saint Mary's over Vandy, that one probably isn't
an IL upset. I don't know what Vandy spent. Saint
Mary's is over a million. I believe New mexicover Marquette.
Both teams have a bunch of money. Maybe mild mild upset.
Akron spends a ton of money, a ton for their level,
(07:44):
but against Arizona, no shot, that was it. Those are
really the only upsets, That's what I give you. So
it's weird what's happened to college basketball, and some of
it is confirmation bias. But if you spend, you're gonna
be pretty good.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
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Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay, here in the Doug out Leab Show, in the
Bonus Podcast, we have a special guest and like, look,
part of this is obviously I'm an Oklahoma State alum,
and I've always had a special place in my heart
for for wrestlers. One it's I there's a there's a
credo I that I share with with with friends of
(08:31):
mine that went to Oklahoma State, which is three things
will survive the nuclear holocaust, right, Twinkies, cockroaches, and wrestlers. Right, Like,
if you want to make friends on campus, make friends
with wrestlers. They're not only good dudes, but when when
when there's a scrap, those are the guys that will survive.
And you know, look, there's other elements to this story
where you know, in college basketball. We talked about this
(08:54):
at the start of the radio show. We started talking
about this and started the podcast, which is like, look, nil,
I mean money has affected everything in college sports, and
it doesn't mean that there's no nil wrestling. There is
and I'm not trying to act like there's some purity
to it that there isn't other sports. But it is
one of the original five Rings of the Olympics. And
(09:17):
this story is so good that I just if you
haven't heard about it, I thought this is a great
chance to tell the story. So the young man's name
is Wyatt Hendrickson. He is a second lieutenant in the
Air Force. He's from Newton, Kansas. He goes to the
Air Force Academy, and he'll tell that part of the story.
(09:37):
But Saturday night, the National Championships are in Minneapolis. In Minneapolis,
and there's a wrestler named Gable Stevenson. There's a movie
from the eighties called Vision Quest okay, and the unbeatable
wrestler was Brian Shoot. Gable Stevenson is is the real thing, right,
He's gonna be a UFC guy. He has been, you know,
(09:59):
like he's he's he's won seventy matches in a row.
He's a gold medalist, I mean literally, like the unbeatable
guy in the heavyweight division. And well, I mean again
by now, maybe you don't know if you're listening to
the story, he was upset Saturday night in the National Championship,
(10:20):
the last time he'll have a wrestle going against the
guy who uh is the last time he'll have a
wrestle for Oklahoma State in the only year he's wrestled
for Oklham State. And look, you can there's all kinds
of things that have happened with COVID and guys getting
an extra year and and things are a little bit murky,
and you know, is he really wrestling for us or
is he wrestling for a paycheck? Not talk about this guy.
(10:40):
Not talk about these guys. But there's lots of negatives
you can take away from any story if you want to.
Here's the positive. The guy's actually a second lieutenant in
the Air Force. He actually did beat supposedly unbeatable guy,
and it was at the very last twenty seconds or
so of the match. And like, look, you can think
(11:01):
however you want to think about President Trump. I did
not vote for him, full disclosure, didn't vote for him,
wouldn't vote for him. But was it seventy seven million
people did? And he is, he's our commander in chief.
He's there. And so here you have a second lieutenant
in the Air Force win this unbelievable upset and he's
(11:21):
draped in the American flag and then he spots the
president and he salutes the president and shakes and you
were just like, it was a really cool moment. And
while while this weekend felt a little licky watching college basketball,
for kind of honest with ourselves right where you have
just the teams that had the most money won, That's
really what it was. Not all of them, but I
(11:41):
think all but three or four. This was an upset
and felt more like college basketball's opening round of the tournament.
Used to feel that that's maybe a better way to
put it. So I just thought, we gotta have this
guy on, and so let's do it. Let's have Wide Hendrickson,
(12:05):
who's now a national champion in the heavyweight division, who
beat the previously unbeaten on the year Gable Stevenson joined
us in the Doug Otlieb Show. You're on Fox Sport
Tradio White. How are you?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I am wonderful, Yeah, thanks for having me on. I
think the one word I would describe that that entire
night would be would be faith. You know, I think
from the outside view, you know, people were looking at
that match saying like this can't be done. You know,
they're like all if you look at any media outlet,
it's like this is a joke. This is a waste
of time. It's the last match of the evening. Why
(12:38):
would you put a stupid match for this? You know,
David Goliath like there's no way this is going to happen,
Like there's a zero percent chance he wins, Like it's
a done deal. You know, the hodges Gables. You know,
he's he's Olympic champ, two time national champ. And the
one thing that me and my team had was faith.
You know, I believed that I had what it's supposed
to be a national champion. We had a game plan,
(12:59):
you know, we had a vision. I had a vision
of victory. I executed the plan perfectly. You know that
last thirty seconds when you get in la on a
national champion and an Olympic gold medalist, it's not going
to be an easy finish. It took me a good
you know, ten to fifteen seconds. I circled around the
mat twice. But I had faith, you know, and it
worked out. You know, the final twenty seconds fifteen ten
(13:22):
five seconds buzz and it felt like a century. But
all I knew is that I was going to be
crowned in that you know, that national champion. It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, I mean, so many things had to happen in
order to get you in that position. That's probably me
the remarkable story for people who know why. It's a
second lieutenant in the Air Force. You went to the
Air Force Academy, You wrestled for the Air Force Academy,
but like you almost didn't even go to the Air Force, right,
Like when you're in it was COVID year. You were
a COVID year senior, weren't you.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, so you know COVID hit, my hit my freshman year.
And so I've actually I've been active duty since twenty nineteen.
And there's a program in the Air Force called the
World Class Athlete Program. And after wrestling at the Air
Force Academy for four years, there's no graduate school at
the Air Force Academy, and so you know, we send
about twenty percent of the graduating class the grad school
(14:11):
right away, and obviously it can't be at the Air
Force Academy. And I chose to go to Oklahoma State,
and with that extra year of eligibility, I decided to
wrestle obviously, and the World Class Athlete Program was obviously
okay with that. They supported me through it and so
as soon as I'm you know, i just finished my
collegiate year, but I'm still going to be around for
three more years with the support of the world class
(14:32):
athlete program in the United States Air Force behind me,
so I can pursue my goal of being a twenty
twenty eight Olympic champion.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So you get done last year right at the airport,
but you had the extra COVID year. Take me through
the process of how you ended up at Oklahoma State
after finishing up at the Air Force Academy because they
don't offer they didn't you wouldn't be allowed to do
the extra year there.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Correct, Yes, at the Air Force Academy, it was you know,
it's four years and done. There's no way around it.
That's the way the Air Force Academy rolls. There's no
extra years there. And so when I was looking at
a couple of different schools to go to, and I
obviously picked out a couple that I knew were notorious
and you know, had a legacy of rich wrestling history.
And you know, Coach Taylor has always been a role
(15:17):
model of mine since I was ten years old. And
he gave me a call. I'm like, hey, I would
like you to come represent Oklahoma State and Russell for
the Cowboys, and you know, it was really just the
rest is history. Obviously, decided to come to Oklahoma State
because I knew that the coaches here would be able
to help me develop my wrestling even more, build on
the foundation that the Air Force Academy had built the
(15:38):
past four years.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Okay, So, so David Taylor takes over at Oklahoma State,
right Oaklham State obviously at the College Wrestling Hall of Fame,
right next to Gallagh Rava where you guys call home.
But David Taylor's unconventional path right, a champion in his
own right, but he wasn't a college wrestling coach. What
was the communication like that led you to go to
Oaklham State.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean that was a big topic that a
lot of people brought up to me, because being a
head coach is it's not a small seat whatsoever, you know,
taking over the shoes and stepping into the shoes of
you know, John Smith, those are some big shoes to fill,
and so I kind of talked I talked him a
little bit, and I mean, as most people know, he's
he runs his own wrestling club and he did in Pennsylvania,
(16:22):
and you know, I've I've even actually ran into him
at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, you know,
where the Air Force Academy is also located, and he'd
already been, you know, giving me tips and helping me
out with some wrestling, and so I knew that our styles,
you know, we could collaborate with each other. And I
already kind of had a little taste of what he's
capable of. Obviously, you know, his accolades are you know, insane,
(16:46):
you know, Olympic, Olympic gold medalists, multiple time world champion,
you know, national champion, and so I kind of I
had a good feeling about it, you know, I kind
of had a sense of reassurrement that hey, this is
where I'm supposed to be. You know, I prayed about it,
and ultimately I just I was just being drawn to
Oklahoma State.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You mentioned a post match about the different difference in
coaching at Oklahoma State and the different and you talked
about your team, how you guys had a great plan.
It struck me as they were talking more coaching, more
on process than result. How different is that? How than
how most wrestling coaches have coached you throughout your career.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, I think a lot of you know, that's the
biggest thing is there's no perfect coach. There's no perfect
there's no perfect anything, because every single person is different. Well,
you know, what works for somebody might not work for
someone else. And so I think just the different perspectives
I've been able to gather from Oklahoma State, it's it's
just it's clicked with me, you know, unlike anything's ever
(17:44):
flicked with me in the past. So having them around
and having them say the right things, because I mean,
most people, you know, it's not what you say, it's
how you say it. And so you know, hearing someone
something for multiple different people, you're gonna take it a
different way. And you know, I just think that coach
Taylor and I had that, you know, I said, just
we had a good sense of understanding amongst each other.
(18:04):
I understood what he meant when he said the simple things.
She never over overcomplicated it. You know, all he said
to me before that match was make it hard and
give him seven minutes of your best. You know, He's like,
you just stay patient, you know, be confident. Just small
things like that and That's all I needed to hear,
you know, And so just the smallerminders even during the match,
(18:25):
you know, whenever they were throwing the challenge brick and
before I went out there, everything you can just see.
All it took was a brief moment of being, you know,
in the moment, taking a deep breath, a couple of words,
and a bam, we're back at it.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Okay, So before the match starts, right, you got the
American flag and you're walking around, and it felt like
again we're outsiders, and I'm again at full disclosure, I'm
an outsider to the world of college wrestling. I love it.
I watch it, but I can't tell you that I
follow it, you know, with great depth. So was was
he trying a big dog? Yet? As you walked around
(18:59):
the matt what was going on in the interaction between
the two of you before the match?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
He was you know, in the moment, I was focused,
I had television, nothing could get in my way, So
I didn't really pay attention to what he was trying
to do, whatever mental games he was trying to play,
I didn't pay much attention to it. After the match,
I rewatched, I saw what he was doing, and I
was trying to recall in my memory, like, man, what
did he say? And he took it as a little
bit of disrespect. He didn't think I don't think he
(19:25):
thought that I deserve to do that because you know,
as you know, I mean, I have been a world champion.
I was a U twenty three world champion. I've draped
that American flag over my shoulders, ran around them. Not
I mean that it is more of a conventional thing
to see in freestyle, you know, the world style of wrestling.
You know, Gable was the Olympic gold medal. His teams
ran with that flag around his shoulders. But you know,
I just I like, I wanted to bring that flag
(19:46):
out there because I'm very proud of what I do.
You know, I'm a member of the United States Air Force.
I support this country. I love this country. I'd laved
my life on the line for this country, and I
want people to know that this is an unconventional thing that,
you know, being as a second lieuten going out in
the represent not only myself in Oklahoma State, but the
United States Air Force. I take pride in them, and
I think it's completely fitting for me to want to
(20:07):
rep my American flag, you know, when I'm going out
there to win a national title, and he just kind
of took some disrespect to it. As you can see,
he was just looking shaking his head, trying to get
in my face, and I think, you know, he was
kind of portraying like, hey, you don't deserve to do this,
you know, like this this is my this is my town,
this is my Matt, this is my this is my championship.
And as we know, that's not what happened. You know,
(20:29):
after that match, it was, oh, it was the sweetest
thing ever. It was just unreal. I collapsed. I didn't
I didn't know what to do because okay.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Wait, wait, wait, wait before we get hold on, before
we get to that, before we get to that end
of the second period, okay, And they had to go
to replay to see if he could he scored points
on a takedown at the very end. It was like,
right after triple zeros, what's that like mental game wise,
as you're waiting preparing for the third period and you're
(20:58):
and meanwhile the replay is taking place, what's that right?
Like in wrestling?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So this this is this is what happened here, because
you know, I'm pretty good at you know, I was
reading the room. This is what happened. Gable movie didn't
take me down. I knew Gabble didn't take me down.
All he did was in still more confidence in me
because he was tired. He was feeling me. The national champ,
the world champ, the Olympic champ, was feeling the fresh
I walked over to coach Taylor and I'm like, Coach,
(21:23):
he's tired, Like she knows you didn't get that too.
He's tired, he's feeling it, and he's like, yeah, I know,
go get it, Go take what's yours. And so whenever
he took that break, I was like, dude, you just
told me that you're tired, because I mean, if you're
a wrestling fan, that was nowhere close to two points.
He wanted, he needed a break, and I was like, dude,
this is mine for the taking, like like this this
is gonna work, and Coach Taylor was like, yes, I know,
(21:45):
let's go get it.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Okay. So so third period, clock's running down, like do
you have a clock in your mind? Do you do?
You can you see the clock because look, you're in
the middle of a dome, the place is going crazy.
I'm sure you can't hear take me through the timing
of when you go through the final points that end
up winning you the match.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah. So we always talk about in wrestling, you know,
if you attacked earlier in the match, it's it's better
because you know, if you make a mistake, you have
time to fix that mistake. Well, I knew that against
the wrestler like Gable, I needed to find my find
my shot, find my one chance, and take it. And
I was only going to have one chance, because you know,
Gable's tough getting up and holding them down. You know,
(22:26):
it's if you got to do something for a minute,
you know, it's obviously more difficult. But I just had
faith that, hey, if I go out there and I
take a committed shot and take him down, I will
hold him down. But I obviously don't have to hold
him down for as longer than I have to. But
I think it was just I was hitting my face,
I was moving him around the mat, and this it
just felt right. I took that shot. It wasn't beautiful
at first, but you know, a couple of knee slides later,
(22:49):
a little bit of a little bit of extra courage
and faith and boom, I took him down and I
was I just felt and break. I'm like, this is it,
this is it. I am beating Gable Stevenson.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
So the match concludes, you win, you collapsed the met
At what point did you go the President's here? What? When? When?
When did you when did you notice that President Trump
was there?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So I did hear who was going to be there previously?
And actually he was supposed to leave two matches before
the end of the tournament to beat up beat the
rush and everything. But I actually ran into Uh. I
had the life, really had the honor and the privilege
of meeting President Trump three years ago in Tulsa when
he was previously at the National Championships. You know, I
don't even all American that year, but I met him.
(23:35):
You know, I just got a quick word in with him,
and you know, realize that he's got a big heart
for people that want to serve, you know, I mean,
he's a commander in chief and so, uh, you know,
Senator Mullen was with him, Mark Waynemullen and he was like,
hey man, it's about time to go, and you know
Trump President Trump and was like, hey, I got to
watch my big guy, and so just knowing that he
(23:55):
wanted to stay and watch that, because I mean even
hearing that he wanted to support even no matter what,
you know, I was going up against a really big,
big opponent, you know, and I think just having that
moment to you know, show my appreciation to President Trump
and like that, that that right there is a moment
I will learner for the rest of my life.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's that's a picture that's going to go on my
wall and I'll be able to relive that moment in
history forever. No one will ever be able to take
that away from me. The time where you know, I
was there, my big boss was there, and he was
able to witness history in the making, and you know,
it's just it's a blessing and honor and oh man,
I just just thinking about it, I'm getting goosebumps all
over again.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's incredibly special, incredibly special moment and uh, just amazing
to catch up with you. Why congratulations on being a
national champion. Uh it was really really special, not just
as an Oklahoma state alone, but you know, as a
citizen knowing what you lay on the line for this
country and so many in the Air Force do as well.
Thanks for your service and thank you for joining us
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yes, thank you guys so much. Have a good one.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
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Speaker 2 (25:05):
Left Kid, the Fox says, And now every day, this
time in the Bonus Podcast, you play for you a
portion of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio Fox
Sports One. This is uh Dan Patrick talking about the
transfer portal.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
By the way, happy Transfer Portal Day today. Of course
it should be on a Monday, after you know what
happened over the weekend and the Sweet sixteen coming up.
Why do we have the transfer portal during tournament play?
Why do we have the transfer portal during the Bulls
season as well? Now I know the timing of semesters
(25:43):
with schools, but it's just a bad look. Imagine if
you're coaching in the Sweet sixteen and you know, maybe one,
maybe two of your players would be playing for somebody else,
and I could envision this scenario, you know, at the
end of the game, and the coaches walk by and
walk by, and the players walk by you. Imagine a coach,
let's say he just lost or you just lost, and
(26:06):
he'll be like, a, hey, why don't you get in
the transfer portal. We'll see you next year. Congratulations, congratulations, congratulations, Hey,
transfer portal, congratulations, congratulations. It's just a bad look. You
don't need to at least you shouldn't have it during
tournament time. And I guarantee there are players who are
playing who will not be playing with their school next year. Guarantee.
(26:29):
You know you can tell. The analysts do not like
talking about the transfer portal. They do not, but it's real.
It's right there in front of us. It's happening right
in front of us.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah. I again, I don't think they don't like talking
about it. I think generally most of the people who
are calling NCAA tournament games they The problem with CBS
has always been when you have the turner guys, they
have no idea about transfer portal whatever. And yes, absolutely
(27:03):
you don't shake guys hands go transfer portal. You do
things like hey, is that your mom? Ay man, good game,
But you also don't the world's a small world. It's
not hard to connect with people. I'm sitting here at
my desk doing our broadcast, and I can tell you unequivocally,
like transfer portal day is the portal's kind of been open.
(27:25):
You just walk tread lightly on it, and you know
your morning's phone calls are with all the agents you respect,
and you try and figure out who do they have,
what the what's the kid looking for, and what fits
into what fits in your program personnel wise, personality wise
and budget wise. That's how it works. I don't know
(27:48):
why I can tell you Football they have it during
bowl season because you know, guys transfer in for spring semester,
so it has to work out that way. Basketball. I
have no idea why they have it. Then there's no
reason you can't wait till the tournament's over. You know,
I saw you know there's I think is that Scotty
Pippenson who's at Michigan like put himself in the portal
(28:08):
and they're still playing Like that's just a terrible look.
There's no reason that you can't wait if you're in
the tournament. But the portal should not be open today,
should be open the day after the national championship game
period STP. This is Brady Quinn talking about spring games
in college football.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I think it's awesome. I think it's awesome for college football.
I think it's It's one of the things when you
see other big programs who are choosing not to have
their spring game, and yet he's looking at it as
an opportunity not only to see what he has in
his players, but also to promote his brand, his team's brands,
the players brands. And I think not that you know,
(28:45):
use my alma mater as an example, but you know,
Marcus Freeman said it best, like the spring games to me,
are a really unbelievable way of integrating your entire community
into the sport of foot ball. There's still the sense
of celebration of the sport, of the team, of the
university what it is, and you get that opportunity to
(29:08):
be able to celebrate it with all sports and really everyone.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That's involved to be a part of it.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
You know, you don't have an opposing fan base, you know,
coming in there to try to kind of ruin that.
So I just I've got some fond memories of it
from my time there, not only just playing the game
itself and everything leading up to it, but I mean
cool moments Charlie Wises had you know lu Holtz come back,
Joe Thaisman come back, Jerome Bettis came back, like so
many greats that you got the chance to go back
(29:36):
and maybe kind of talking and you know, coaching you
up or saying some things here or there. Those are
just they're not opportunities that come around all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, Look, I I love this idea of playing an
opponent in a spring game, and I put it out
on social media. I think for men's college basketball, like
we we have, it's obviously a longer season goes through
two semesters, but they've allowed exhibition games to be against
other Division one opponents as well, and you can do it,
(30:06):
you know, for charity. So you'll have some of these
the big schools playing the big schools or sometimes you know,
Michigan State played at Northern Michigan this year, which is
really really cool. You know, we're trying to do it
to where we get a Wisconsin to come and play us,
you know down the street at the Rest Center, you know,
the day of or day before a Packer game. We'd
love to have that happen. But I want the next
(30:27):
step is I'd love to have jamborees a jamboree in
basketball is like you play multiple games in a day. Like,
why can't we bring three teams in here at about
our level? You know, bring one from the Mac, bring
one from the Summit League, you know, one from the
Valley and we all play and like you know, we
play each three different games maybe in two days, so
that we really get a sense of what we have
(30:48):
on our roster. You know, especially when you're putting together
new rosters every year, it's so important to get a
real feel for what you got because I mean, you
don't know until you play your first game, and a
lot of times at this level, our first games are
again it's bigger opponents. But as for Dion, it's a
brilliant move. Why should you play against one of your buddies?
You know. The only thing obviously is injuries, And I
(31:09):
think what people fear is they fear, hey, if somebody
gets good tape, then they're going to leave in the
transfer portal. Again, that should be once you're on campus
in the spring, you're there for that year. You're there
for that year. But it's a great idea, and I
credit Dion for coming up with it. If he's the
one who came up with or first to execute it.
That's what the Fox says say. All right, that's it
(31:33):
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