November 17, 2025 • 40 mins
Doug shares his story of his Green Bay Phoenix team's game against Minnesota Saturday night. Doug reacts to Dan Beyer's take on the Broncos. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Seahawks linebacker Ernest Jones makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What up, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio. App Welcome,
Welcome in so so wild weekend in football. What a
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win for Oklahoma at Alabama. I mean that was That's
as good as signature win. Obviously, Texas continues to disappoint
as Georgia. Georgia gets a win and we are we
are on a path for an incredible November in the
college game. In the pro game, I don't think it
was a stunning surprise. The Chargers struggles considering their injuries,
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but you know it's play well, play poorly, play well,
play poorly as they kind of limp on down the tracks.
Denver's win over Kansas City I think the biggest one
of the weekend. But I did want to share that
I had an epiphany this weekend. Jase too, I haven't
told you that I had an epiphany.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Did I know what happened?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, it was after coaching a loss and you're like
a nother one new So Saturday we went in we
played University of Minnesota and the Gophers play in Williams Arena.
Williams Arena is ninety seven years old, and it looks
and feels every bit of ninety seven years old. And
I mean that in a good way. Right. It's they've
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they've done a nice job with the video boards, and
anytime they've readone it it's really nice and classy and cool.
But I mean it feels like you're walking into a
historic venue, which it is. I would guess I didn't
look at the line. I would guess we were a
twenty plus point underdog, and we tie the game with
I think two seconds ago they thrown a half quarter
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that was just after the buzzer. Then we lost in overtime.
But it was a great college basketball game, It really was.
It was fun. We played multiple defenses that we hadn't
shown on tay before, but more than anything for our group,
which had been just been struggling to kind of put
together a team out of it instead of a group
of guys because you have ten new ones. And then
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we had a terrible injury on Thursday night in a
loss and we didn't play well. It felt, for the
first time really like a team and a great effort.
And here is my epiphany. Jason you ready, yep. I
want to do this forever. That's it I have. I've
had that ebifany with the radio show, right. I love
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doing like I on a Monday talking sports. And yesterday
we got home like at four in the morning on
basically yesterday morning at four in the morning. So I
slept till like eleven eleven fifteen, got up, had a
bunch of things to do, but watched a ton of
football as well as basketball. You know, you get the
multi things on where we're watching our own tape and
other things. But I don't know I'm coaching that game, uh,
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and I just yeah, it's it's it was. It's not
fun to lose. And you know, I don't I don't
love the moral victory stuff because it was right there
for us. And our best player missed half his free throws,
which he never does, and so there's some and there's
some things execution wise we've got to clean up. And
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you know, we were also fortunate they missed a lot
of shots, many of which they will not miss most
of the year. But just the energy of it, if
people knew all the different you know, like we have
a player named Justin now and Justin's a transfer from
Carnegie Mellon. He was the star in Division three. Carnegie
Mellon is one of the elite academic institutions the United States. Like,
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I actually felt bad about him leaving his degree behind.
I love him going to play for US, and he's
going to get a GB degree or two during his
time here. But I'm like, man, you sure you know
what you're doing. And he just the Kansas game and
we played Bradley an exhibition game and he was just nervous,
and combined the fact that he had a bad foot
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injury in the summer which knocked him back, and then
his nervousness, and he wasn't necessarily in the rotation, but
I kind of moved some things around, and you know,
he's a guy, go get a bucket. Anyway, I'm just
watching him play and hitting a shot, and you know,
while you're coaching a game and you're thinking about the
next play and the next sub and what the other
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guy's doing, I'm also thinking about how cool is this
that this kid who transferred from Division three first time
we play on national TV is going in hooping and
I can guarantee, like, you know, at some point his
Mom's sitting at home in Westchestern, New York, going like,
there's my son, Like he's getting a chance. This is
his dream. So you're like a part of all these
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different individual stories and kind of our own kind of
collective group of coaches, which you know, how many of
them actually thought we could win the game. I'm a
perpetual optimist. I'm like they were like, coach, this is
a game which we just got to get better, not
worry about the score, Like why can't we win the game?
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You know, so you want to turn around mid game
and that coach that told you you had no chance,
go look at them and go to you the whole
my net net. I'm on the bus home, and it
is a When you're at coaching at this level, it's hard.
It is really hard. You're not supposed to win, Like
we play three non conference home games, three and if
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you go and and if you go and search some
of these teams, they'll be three and oh and you're
like they played two teams or schools I'd never heard before. Right,
So you're by design you're going to start out under
five hundred and underwater, and yet you have to keep
the confidence of your team. You have to keep getting
better all the while keep the confidence that people have
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in you back home, because you're like, look, we're not
supposed to beat a team with a payroll that is,
you know, fifty x of ours, Like that doesn't work
that way. All of that said, I can't think of
anything I would have rather been doing on a Saturday
than coaching that. It was so cool. It's so cool.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
But yes, Dan, I watched, and I know that Sam
was in tune as well. I know Jason watched the
first part of the game, but then may have had
plans and we were all glued to it. And when
I say, like all, my wife was there watching the game.
Brody wasn't understanding what was going on, but we were
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all watching and it was quite the effort. And I
thought it was I know, you're not taking moral victories.
It's actually one of the reasons why I didn't even
text you after the game. I'm like, you know what,
I'm like. I actually thought it was amazing. I thought
it was great for Preston to be able to get
his opportunity on that stage, to be able to make
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the shots that he did, whether it be the three
or the bucket with two seconds left, Like there was
so much good from that. I didn't think that you
were probably in the mood for it, But no, I was.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I was.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I was. I was mad. Yeah, I was mad. I
told you you yeah, no, yeah, I know you just
it's like it's I tell the plays like you're allowed
to be pissed, Like I'm pissed we should have won,
you know, I feel like we should have won. But
you can't be pissed at the growth and the effort
and and like you said, so what here you talk
about Preston. So Preston is Preston Rudinger. He is a
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a fifth year senior. Again, so like let's go to
like his personal story. Right, he was a COVID year
senior in high school, so he was virtually not recruited,
no ability to recruit those guys because there was no
summer before, right, And he was a walk on at Valpo,
then got a scholarship. Then there was a coaching change
and he came back home. You know, so he plays
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for two different coaches. He has just a myriad of injuries.
We didn't really want him to play the point this year,
Like I recruited three point guards because he's best. Like
I'm trying to get him to score more, and he's
just a really good leader and pastor from the two
guard position. Our point guards one you know, just you know,
had a lower leg injury the other night, and then
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you know the other two point guards have been slow
to come around. And he Preston also, he hurt his
back before he left for the trip, so he like
walks around like an old man. And oh yeah, by
the way, he hasn't had a shot yet this season.
And you know, we got blown out by Saint Thomas
on Friday night. Like he missed wide open shots, miss
wide open ones against Buffalo, and you know, everybody's grumbling.
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He's got to hit make some shots. And here's what
you don't know, Dan, it's great that you noticed. It
was you know, early in the game, he came over
to me. He's like, I want a shot. I go,
is it your back? He's like, no, I want to
shoot the ball. I thought. I was like, I was,
like I told the trainers like his back. He's like, no, no,
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I want to shoot the ball. Run a play for
me to shoot the ball. Like okay, So I ran
a play from to shoot the ball and he missed it.
But it's more that he's taking the leadership of Okay,
now I need you need me to score on this team,
I'm gonna go score. So again, those are all like
little mini stories within it. Right, Plus a kid who
grows up in Wisconsin, you know, he'd loved Every kid
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who grows up in Wisconsin wants to play in the
Big Ten. Who are we kidding ourselves? Right, So to
be sitting there playing against Wisconsin's rival in the Big
Ten in a great game and hoopin and he had
like twelve people on tickets there. His dad was there,
his mom was there, all his friends. That was really cool.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, and it's no disrespect to the Horizon League games
that you're gonna play that are much more meaningful for
your season. It's that stage. It's on Big Ten Network,
we're watching it live. It's not on ESPN. Plus anybody
could basically turn it on. And we were watching and
knowing his road, And also you had a lot to
turnover new players, he's not one of them. He was
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there with you last year. You mentioned his road previous
of coming to Green Bay. I thought it was really
neat for him to at least have his his moments.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
If you will, Yeah, I if that shot, that half
court shot would account it, I would have been so
mad at him because he kind of like got out
of the way. It's like, yeah, I didn't think he
was gonna get it off, so I got you know.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I knew it was late from the second I said that.
I too.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I flighted to and it's you know, I and you
guys watched it, so you know, some people who don't know.
Williams Arena has that elevated floor, so your bench is
kind of below you, so you're literally up there on
the stage. It's it's a very. It feels like you're
in a bubble. It feels like it's just you, the
other coach and the ten players and refs and nothing else.
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And then you do Now, the acoustics are interesting in
that you hear everything from your bench. You just hear
these little like peanut gallery voices and they do break
through from your bench, but they're all kind of from
your feet, yeah, kind of below you. It's it just
that's the very. So anyway, uh, we're running a we're
running a play that's a that's an either or kind
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of read for him, and he read it the right
way and went and he's not a great finisher. It's
one of the frustrating things is he does all the
things that we practice, he's just it's just not something
he does well. So that's one that's that one hand
kind of scoop lay up. Is every trainer teaches that
and we don't, and it frustrates a hell out me.
But that's the one instance in which you have to
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use that play that kind of scoop shot where when
you have a bigger guy who might block the shot,
you kind of trick him and throw it up early
without touching your left hand because they time it otherwise anyway,
all of that stuff like he's going and I'm you know,
I call out the read for those guys because it's
just how my brain works, you know. And because there's
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there's it's it's we call it it's a shallow cut.
Uh So it's a double high ball screen. But the
second guy shallow cuts underneath the first one, so it
kind of can screw up the defense if they get
caught switching. They just switched to twitch it. So he
had the center on him and he smartly drove it
to the hoop and laid it in. Anyway, all those
things happen in really quick progression. And uh, and then
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I'm like, do I call it time out to set
up our defense? Like no, then they'll set up a play.
They get it in quick. And we hadn't really talked.
We've talked about how to defend if somebody's taking the
ball in late and they set up a play, but
we hadn't talked about what to do with two seconds
to go, and so I just yelled, stay in front
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of the ball, and he kind of did then got
out of the way. But anyway, it happens so fast,
Like I can't explain how much slower and faster things
happen when you're coaching them then they happen when you're
watching them. It's like I can see all the play,
like it all set up, like I know what's gonna
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happen before it happens or whatever. But in that instance,
it like goes from they make a free throw, miss
a free throw, we're down too, We push it up
the court, you get a laying in. I look up
it says one point nine seconds when the ball touches
his hands, And then I heard the buzzer go off.
Then I saw the ball released and just the slow
motion of it's in the air, and I'm singing myself, well,
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that's going in, but that's gotta be late. And then
it goes in, and then you feel really good about
it because you turn to your bench and everybody in
the bench is like, no, no, no, it's late, it's late,
it's late. But then they're celebrating, like maybe they know
something I don't, and you start questioning yourself and you're
looking up there and you're like, oh, that was a
little closer than I thought it was. But again, in
real time, it happens quick, and then the things like
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releasing the ball happens kind of slow, and then the
buzzer seems like it lasts for like five seconds.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
They also blew a call at the end of the half,
but they thought it was good. They had to wave
it off. Yes, so they were the refs were over
to and calling baskets good.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, they missed a couple of blatant travels and some
other stuff and whatever. I mean, they're not going to
give you a check in give you calls. So I mean,
I thought the officiating was fifty times better than the
Saint Thomas officiating, but us but the play was But
that was as the other part about that game is,
you know, from being a Big ten basketball fan and
like everybody claims their league is ours is more physical,
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Like that game was crazy physical because both team shot
so poorly. It was just just bodies just banging and
they got big old dudes. It was crazy physical.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I know we got a run, but are you practicing
boxing out the shooter on free throws this week?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
So we've practiced it a million times, and that one
was kay Tyson, who's their best player, was the actual shooter,
and we just we it's not for not yelling out,
not for not practicing. We just one of our returners
just fell asleep and he was probably in early. But
the the other hard part to it, Dan is I
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was doing offense to defense subs and our offense weren't
you know, our offensive guys aren't as good as rebounders.
So I was, you know, like I was a little
bit knee jerky of who do I take out? Who
do I leave in? And I just got caught. You know.
I had two timeouts, but I was trying to bank
a time out. I didn't want to waste it and
buy timeouts. I mean, okay, so what you would do
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there was leave your big lineup in get the rebound
or take it in bounds, bring it to half court,
then call it time out, then run a play. And
so instead of wanting to waste the time out because
we already had guys, I could tell them what play
to run before they subbed in. You know, I thought
we could get away with it, and we just got
caught on one of those.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
You'll probably say it in the meeting room. We can't
say it here. But you got to put a body
out him. You may still got the rebound, you still
got to put a body out him.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
No, gotta put a boy him every time. Yep, every time. Absolutely.
But that's where you know we're better, but we're still
not there, right because those things just happened too often.
Last year they did out rebound us on the offensive boards.
There an excellent offensive rebounding team. We were better, but
still not good enough. But yeah, it was fun anyway.
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My epiphany, guys is like people ask all the time,
like all the things you learn, like, I love this shit,
I fucking love it. It's so awesome, It's is it
a lot? Yeah, It's a lot, you know, I mean
between losing a game, going to the hospital, getting the
kid's mom into town, managing all that, managing the players emotions,
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prepping for another game, prepping for a tournament, you know,
trying to manage guys getting rested, figuring out okay, are
we are we trying to develop our guys in this game?
Or we can try? Can we win the guys win
this game? What's who do I not play? Like? That's
actually a big one is who do I not play?
All those things? I love it.
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Speaker 2 (16:56):
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Here's Nim make comment on it. Here's Dan Byron Kerry Rhodes.
They had this exchange yesterday on Denver's win over the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
What we've heard with the parody in the NFL and
who's the great team? There is this notion carry that
you still have to beat the champ. You still have
to go through the previous champ, whether that be Philadelphia
for winning the Super Bowl, or Kansas City for winning
the AFC, or just Kansas City for winning the AFC West. Yeah,
I think that there is something to that. And while
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it wouldn't wrap it up again, you would give Kansas
City your fifth loss of the season, and there's Denver
would be sitting there at nine and two, three up
in the lost column as you're heading into week twelve.
That's a pretty good spot to be in. So yeah,
so it's there's just a lot at stake, and I
would give Denver the credit and what I think would
be their biggest win of.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
The year, Yeah, I would say I would say it
would be as well. I mean, obviously they had some
opportunistic wins and there's gonna be some of those in
the season that you can look back on and say,
maybe we shouldn't have won that one, but we pulled
it out, because they'll be there will be the flip
side of that, right, No, those are games we should
have won, and so that's you know, you got to
give them credit for that. But this would definitely be
the biggest, most substantial win I think for them at
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this moment right now.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Uh, it's a huge win for Denver, huge win. And
as much as their offense has been holding them back,
the defense has been outstanding to win that game. I
don't care if it's at home. I mean just finding
a way. Denver continues to find ways to win, playing
up to or down to the level of competition, and
though that didn't vanquish the Chiefs, it does. The Chiefs
continue to put themselves in a tough spot and proved
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me wrong with the Andy Reid out of a buy
record which has become a little bit more flimsy once
he's in Kansas City. Here's Con Coward talk about his
favorite topic, now, the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Now, I see a young coach, I see a young quarterback.
They've got a lot of They're great in the fourth quarter.
It feels very much like Denver to me, does it not?
Young quarterback, great play caller, nice offensive weapons. So look
at their division for the Bears, who say, people say
it's not sustainable. The Vikings are lost offensively, Green Bay wins,
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but their identity is funky. I'm not sure Matt Lathor
wants to run, but they can't, so they pass reluctantly,
but it works and Detroit again, Ben Johnson left that offense.
Detroit's offense is not the same.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So I mean.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Chicago and Caleb, there's too many penalties. They're flawed. Here's
what they do. Tell me if this stuff is sustainable.
They run the ball as well as almost anybody.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
In the league.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
They don't turn it over yet they take it away
from you, and they're excellent playing from behind. The other
thing they do, they've eliminated the negative plays. We talked
about that all off season. So Chicago's eliminated the worst
thing they do last year, all the negative plays.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
They don't do them.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
So Chicago's got some things to clean up. But to me,
when you say it's not sustainable, they run it, they
take it away, they don't turn it over. A durable
quarterback great in the fourth quarter. What's not sustainable?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I just I it's a struggle sometimes for me to
keep up with his takes on the Bears, right, because
I thought those two couldn't work together. It's the quarterback's
not good enough, and now it seems fun. It's like
like Denver, which, by the way, Denver, it was last
week that or maybe the week before where he said, yeah,
we're just you know, you got regression at quarterback. Maybe
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they should draft another one. But whatever, I mean, Bears
are finding a way to win, and it's obviously been
a dramatic change. I think Kayleb Williams is improving. Here's
Dan Patrick talking about Jamar Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey
during their game yesterday.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Think about the repercussions. Let's say Jamar Chase, he's suspended
for this next game, so you lose a game. Check
now you may lose that game. Therefore, there is no
reason to bring Joe Burrow back.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And you have a.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Head coach who might be coaching for his job. So yes,
you got caught up in the moment you spit on somebody.
So Burrow's now not going to play, Your coach may
get fired, probably will, and then you're gonna have another
loss here. So it's not just a stupid moment here.
It could be it could metastasize the issues with the
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Cincinnati Bengals. It doesn't matter what he says. Nothing should
trigger getting spit on in a situation like that. I'm
really curious what the NFL does. Is it just one game?
It should be there should be a real strong deterrent here.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I don't know if the NFL can say, all right,
we suspended Jalen Carter for the game against the Cowboys,
and therefore you can't come down harder on Jamar Chase,
can you? Because I would suspend somebody for a couple
of games. Let the message sink in.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, I don't really understand any of the spitting on
people think like when was when is that part of
our part of the bag? Right? And if it's to
get the guy's reaction and to be that I just yeah,
I first of all, it's gross. It's gross, it's really gross.
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But I also don't think that it should be suspended
for a couple of games, because it's like, okay, so
that's a couple of game worthy, and you know, in
comparison to something off the field that you do, and
how many games do we know? I would do a
hapty fine, I don't even know if I do a suspension.
It's gross. But you know, again like okay, so if
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that's a suspension worthy of multiple games, what isn't worthy
of multiple games? It's gross? Somebody should I mean, like
you're not thinking anybody's gonna cheap shot him, but it
does open you up to a cheap shot from somebody
else because it is gross. It's dehumanizing, if you will.
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Football can and should be able to take care of itself.
That's one of the things that we're taking out of it.
But it's not multiple game worthy. That's what the Fox is.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Say.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
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Speaker 2 (23:32):
App Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug, So set the
scene or help me set the scene. So South Carolina
went into half with a huge lead and they end
up losing to Texas A and M.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, thirty to thirty to three. They were up at
the half.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
And something happened at halftime where players were coming out
for the second half and a Texas A and M
trooper or a state trooper had a run in or
purposefully I guess uh shouldered a couple of the players
and then looked back at him and pointed. When they
(24:20):
were like, what the fuck? So I don't know Prince
Grimes with USA Today, maybe this is his content I saw.
I saw a bunch of videos about it online, but
I just don't remember it going to this extreme. Prince
Jay Grimes of USA Today writes the following, disgraceful, despicable, reprehensible.
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Those are just a few words you could use to
describe the actions of Texas state trooper who bumped into
the two South Carolina players in the tunnel at Kyle
Field on Saturday. What we saw was a level of
insecurity unbecoming of an officer of the law. A grown
man decided he needed to exert a level of dominance
over college students playing a game, delivering young black men
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a stark reminder of their place in society, even in
a moment that was supposed to be filled with joy.
He goes on basically to say, this guy's lucky to
have his job, because if he acts like this in
a controlled environment on a football field, it's no telling
how he is in the streets of Texas. I think
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that I think you said this a lot, and I
said it a lot in the second six months of
the year twenty twenty. When you allege racism when there
isn't racism, then the next time you call wolf, we
are going to be less likely to hear you or
read you. I saw an asshole whose home team was
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getting beat on Saturday, and he did willfully and purposefully
shove two kids, and he got removed from the game
as a trooper. But to take it to this was
a person telling a black man where he fits in society.
I mean, those words are kind of dangerous, right You're
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you're alleging something that doesn't exist. So the next time
you do have an allegation, we're going to take you
less seriously.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yep. Again, If the idea behind any bad behavior is
always I don't know why the first resort has to
be to racism. I saw a cop on a bit
of a power trip, which is what I think a
lot of us have experienced in life. I will tell
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you this though, Jason, in defense of I'm not going
to defend somebody who writes an op ed piece who
is probably not in nor have they ever been to
Kyle Field, to Texas A and m You know, it
just it doesn't feel like one in which a guy
was on the scene and asked any questions. It's just,
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you know, the thirty thousand feet really easy, low hanging
fruit sort of delivery of opinion. I will say though,
that A and M does have a reputation and part
of the magic to when Kevin Someone was there was
it is seen as super white, super conservative, and you know,
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you have all these Rozi guys there right who like, hey,
you're a little too serious, and people we call it
a cult, like everybody calls A and M a cult
because it feels that way. And if you're not in
the cult, anybody outside the colts that feels shunned. But
it does have a reputation of being not exactly the
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warmest place to black athletes and to students, and there
is a pre determined reputation, and that was the thing
that someone could do Kevin Someone, not just because he's black,
but he had just a great personality way about him
where they were doing incredible and recruiting back then because
to quote some of my friends, Kevin Someone made A
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and M cool to black kids and people front that
weren't just you know, country white kids, right or they
weren't an MLM sons and sons and daughters. So you're right,
I feel the same way about the piece, it's jumping
to conclusions. It's kind of regressing back to that, you know,
everything is about race sort of mentality. The one caveat
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I would I would say is it's a bad look
for A and M because A and M does have
this reputation, especially in college athletics and in Texas the
like in ain't a school that black dudes should go to.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
There is a this is kind of along the same line.
So there's there. You can't have a like a modern
opinion of the Shadoor Sanders debut. Everything has to be
extreme when it comes to shador I don't know where
we've come to a place where a young black athlete
who grew up with a whole bunch of money and
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then made a whole bunch of money in college is
being treated treated like the worst victim in the history
of the NFL. And I don't see a place where, like,
everything the kid does is extremely awful. Every single word
he said after the game yesterday has been parsed.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
This is a little of what he said after the
game that grew a lot of scrutiny from the people
that can't stand Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
First and foremost funy. Thank God from giving me the
opportunity to get out there. That's all you get asked for, honestly,
the chance to get out there, get your feed wet,
to experience how it feels, you know, to even be
out there with the team, with first group, with everybody.
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So I'm sure he was excited. It was a rough
day overall, But the thing that I was excited about
is just being able to get out there. You know,
it's the first time I got hit like since since
my last game at Colorado. So just having that feeling back,
you know, is good.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
So that wasn't enough for the people that hated him, right,
And then Rex Ryan was on ESPN today. I guess
after the game, Shaduur Sanders sat on the bench. He
did not partake in the handshakes, so over b roll
Of like Lamar Jackson seemingly looking for Shaduur to give
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a handshake too. Rex Ryan had this to say, He's.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
Got to get over himself too, like you like, he's
there by himself on the bench.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
At the end of the game.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
I've never seen I've seen it in the seventh game
of World Series when you lose a game or whatever.
This is a game.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Is a pillow fight game?
Speaker 9 (30:57):
Nobody cares?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Who cares?
Speaker 10 (30:59):
Sit back?
Speaker 9 (31:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
DIDNY care?
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Or are you trying to make it a show and
make it about yourself. You've got a guy over there that,
by the way, is a two time MVP right there,
Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
He was looking for you.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
He was looking for you right there. Why didn't share
a moment with him? All right? All right, share a
moment with Lamar? Be looking all over for you. They
get in there with your teammates. These are your teammates.
All these are your teammates, and talk about I'm not
comfortable losing. You think anybody in that locker room is?
They better not be.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I don't recall an athlete that has been this polarizing.
So I don't know if it's a sign of the
political times or if this is like because there's nothing
he can do right to half the population and then
to the other population. He's the biggest victim in the NFL,
and everyone has a vendetta against him, including the NFL
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front office.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah. I don't think anybody has a vendetta against him, right,
I mean, that's just not realistic.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
But do you remember do you remember an athlete being
this polarizing. Yeah, every single word is parsed, every action
is Baker is parsed up.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Baker, Tebow.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Neither of those guys were made out to be victims.
Though by the I'm saying the polarizing aspect is half
the people think in extreme way that he's a victim
and the vendetta part and half of them, No, that's
not true.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Wrong, Teba was was made into it to a victim. Oh,
it's only because he prays or whatever, Like, yeah, that's
I don't I don't believe that to be true. I
think Baker was polarizing. Again, I'd have to go back
and look, it does feel like there's maybe not to
this level, but there is a There are quarterbacks Menzel Was.
(32:45):
Everything was made into a big deal, and look, uh,
if we're honest, it kind of went away for a
couple of weeks because, you know, because he was third
string quarterback. And I think what's interesting is what happens
when Deshaun Watson comes back, Like, and you know, how
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long is Dylan Gabriel out for how much leash do
you give him? You know, I gave my opinion a
little bit earlier on in the radio show. I will
tell you that there's a lot of pressure on Shador
Sanders and he did not. You know, I can just
because you play poorly does mean you're a bad player,
especially once your first game out there. And I don't
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actually mind him sitting there and taking it all in,
like I think, like Rex is just like, all right, Rex,
I got it. You don't like the kid noted moving on.
It just feels like Rex like and I like Rex, Like, dude,
we get it. You're you're playing a role on TV,
and it probably does overemphasize how you really feel, but
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you just he just comes across like a dick. Sorry,
Like I don't love I don't love the celebration stuff,
some look as me stuff what he did for the draft.
But again, like now he's in the NFL, we judge
him as a player. He played like shit. He looked
completely ill prepared. They pressure him, they heated him up,
he wasn't ready and he made bad throws. Okay, doesn't
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mean he's the worst player ever. Let's see, let's see
what he does when he gets another shot next week
in more preparation. But like now we start picking apart
where he's sitting like I don't know when I play
like shit or well our team plays like shit. I
don't want to be around anybody either, who else annoying you?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
This is just Dan, I want to play this. This
is Cam Newton talking about Shaduur today.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
I do not think Kevin Stefanski wants Shardure Sanders to
succeed in Cleveland. The reason being is, don't tell me
what he said. Don't tell me what he's saying. I'm
going off of actions, all right, let's go off actions.
The actions is if I'm Schadore or if I'm a
Shadoor Sanders fan, I would not want him to take
the field because that's going to consistently be the display
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we're going to see. It doesn't matter if it's to
Sewan Watson, it doesn't matter. If it Shadure Sanas, it
doesn't matter. If it's Dylan Gabriel, it doesn't matter. If
it's Dan or Lawski, it doesn't matter if it's Cam Newton.
You need help in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
So did you notice the massive contradiction there. I don't
want Stefanski. I don't think Stefanski wants should do or
to succeed. And then he goes on to talk about
it doesn't matter what quarterbacks in there, they wouldn't succeed
without any help. So which is it? Cam? So my
last part is this. I think I've said this to people.
(35:27):
I've said I don't with the thing with Donald Trump.
Maybe the most annoying thing about Donald Trump is that
I don't know when the line ends and where the
bullshit begins. They're like, what do you mean? Well, let
me give you an example. He talked to the He
talked on Air Force Wonder reporters about the MRI for
his yearly physical, the MRI.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, I understand that the results.
Speaker 11 (35:54):
Because it's part of my physical. Getting an MRI is
very standard. Why you think I shouldn't have another? People,
I had an MRI. Hysterious, I had an MRI. The
doctor said it was the best result he has ever
seen as a doctor.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
That's it.
Speaker 11 (36:12):
But I had an MRI as part of my standard
yearly or everyone.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I think they do it every two years.
Speaker 11 (36:19):
But I have the physical every year and the result
was outstanding. Did you know, Lord, I have no idea
what they analyzed, but whatever they analyze, they analyze it well.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
So just a couple things.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
So it's so good. You don't know such bullshit.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You don't know what you got the MRI on. It's
part of a yearly physical MRIs are usually pretty specific.
Is and then he said that the the doctor said
that he's never seen a better MRI as a doctor.
And I'm thinking, so maybe when he was a janitor,
before he was a doctor, he saw a better MRI.
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And I'm thinking, also, what is the greatest MRI result ever?
I thought m ris were supposed to like check things
off the list. You're supposed to check and see if
something's there, and if it's not there, which is ninety
five percent of the time, then that's a clean MRI.
But how do you have a great m RI? What
were there like cells doing dances in the m RI?
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I where where is there like a party in the
in the innards of Donald Trump's body? Like what's going
on with that?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I don't know. I mean, we are going to miss him.
There's lots of things we're not going to miss. We're
going to miss him. Uh, greatest MRI results I've ever seen?
Like what?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I what as a doctor? As a doctor?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, what even is that? What even is that?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I don't I don't even have you gotten many MRIs
in your life where.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
You've gotten what it was for. I knew what it
was for, very much knew what it was for. I
just I don't know. It's so funny. It's so bizarre
and yet so funny all at the same time. You know, Yeah,
he's just so bizarre. My doctor said it's the greatest
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MRI results he ever saw. Huh what Okay, so good?
So good?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
So who's is full racist? On the Trooper? The reaction
to Shador Sanders is never anything down the middle? And
Donald Trump got an MRI on a part of his
body that he didn't know about and it was the
greatest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I think that is amazing. That's so good. That's so
so good. Let's say the best MRI I ever. I think,
you know, h I think the very very predictable Uh,
the very predictable racist Senate has to be racism sentiment
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is is uh is the most ann It's annoy.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Uh? The Seahawks lost to the Rams yesterday. Ernest Jones
is a linebacker for the Seahawks and he he was
asked by the reporter about Sam Darnold taking blame for
the loss as he threw four interceptions. And this was
Ernest Jones.
Speaker 12 (39:38):
Sam's been baling right. If we want to try to
define Sam by this game or what man, sam'sman had
us in every fucking game. So for him to sit
there and say, oh, that's my fault, no it's not.
It was plays that defensively, we could have made plays.
There were opportunities where we could have got better stops. Yeah,
I mean, like, it's football man, he's our quarterback, we
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got his back end. You got anything to say, quite frankly,
fuck you.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
So good. I love it. I love it. Yep. He
probably lost them up, but then he got to get
some credit for winning in the past. Why I could
play it for you because we can't. That's it for
the end. The Modus Podcast. I got the radio show
every day three to five. He's from Teuto Pacific, Fox
Sports Radio. iHeartRadio app. I'm Doug Gottlieb
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What up, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio. App Welcome,
Welcome in so so wild weekend in football. What a
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win for Oklahoma at Alabama. I mean that was That's
as good as signature win. Obviously, Texas continues to disappoint
as Georgia. Georgia gets a win and we are we
are on a path for an incredible November in the
college game. In the pro game, I don't think it
was a stunning surprise. The Chargers struggles considering their injuries,
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but you know it's play well, play poorly, play well,
play poorly as they kind of limp on down the tracks.
Denver's win over Kansas City I think the biggest one
of the weekend. But I did want to share that
I had an epiphany this weekend. Jase too, I haven't
told you that I had an epiphany.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Did I know what happened?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, it was after coaching a loss and you're like
a nother one new So Saturday we went in we
played University of Minnesota and the Gophers play in Williams Arena.
Williams Arena is ninety seven years old, and it looks
and feels every bit of ninety seven years old. And
I mean that in a good way. Right. It's they've
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they've done a nice job with the video boards, and
anytime they've readone it it's really nice and classy and cool.
But I mean it feels like you're walking into a
historic venue, which it is. I would guess I didn't
look at the line. I would guess we were a
twenty plus point underdog, and we tie the game with
I think two seconds ago they thrown a half quarter
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that was just after the buzzer. Then we lost in overtime.
But it was a great college basketball game, It really was.
It was fun. We played multiple defenses that we hadn't
shown on tay before, but more than anything for our group,
which had been just been struggling to kind of put
together a team out of it instead of a group
of guys because you have ten new ones. And then
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we had a terrible injury on Thursday night in a
loss and we didn't play well. It felt, for the
first time really like a team and a great effort.
And here is my epiphany. Jason you ready, yep. I
want to do this forever. That's it I have. I've
had that ebifany with the radio show, right. I love
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doing like I on a Monday talking sports. And yesterday
we got home like at four in the morning on
basically yesterday morning at four in the morning. So I
slept till like eleven eleven fifteen, got up, had a
bunch of things to do, but watched a ton of
football as well as basketball. You know, you get the
multi things on where we're watching our own tape and
other things. But I don't know I'm coaching that game, uh,
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and I just yeah, it's it's it was. It's not
fun to lose. And you know, I don't I don't
love the moral victory stuff because it was right there
for us. And our best player missed half his free throws,
which he never does, and so there's some and there's
some things execution wise we've got to clean up. And
(03:30):
you know, we were also fortunate they missed a lot
of shots, many of which they will not miss most
of the year. But just the energy of it, if
people knew all the different you know, like we have
a player named Justin now and Justin's a transfer from
Carnegie Mellon. He was the star in Division three. Carnegie
Mellon is one of the elite academic institutions the United States. Like,
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I actually felt bad about him leaving his degree behind.
I love him going to play for US, and he's
going to get a GB degree or two during his
time here. But I'm like, man, you sure you know
what you're doing. And he just the Kansas game and
we played Bradley an exhibition game and he was just nervous,
and combined the fact that he had a bad foot
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injury in the summer which knocked him back, and then
his nervousness, and he wasn't necessarily in the rotation, but
I kind of moved some things around, and you know,
he's a guy, go get a bucket. Anyway, I'm just
watching him play and hitting a shot, and you know,
while you're coaching a game and you're thinking about the
next play and the next sub and what the other
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guy's doing, I'm also thinking about how cool is this
that this kid who transferred from Division three first time
we play on national TV is going in hooping and
I can guarantee, like, you know, at some point his
Mom's sitting at home in Westchestern, New York, going like,
there's my son, Like he's getting a chance. This is
his dream. So you're like a part of all these
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different individual stories and kind of our own kind of
collective group of coaches, which you know, how many of
them actually thought we could win the game. I'm a
perpetual optimist. I'm like they were like, coach, this is
a game which we just got to get better, not
worry about the score, Like why can't we win the game?
(05:12):
You know, so you want to turn around mid game
and that coach that told you you had no chance,
go look at them and go to you the whole
my net net. I'm on the bus home, and it
is a When you're at coaching at this level, it's hard.
It is really hard. You're not supposed to win, Like
we play three non conference home games, three and if
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you go and and if you go and search some
of these teams, they'll be three and oh and you're
like they played two teams or schools I'd never heard before. Right,
So you're by design you're going to start out under
five hundred and underwater, and yet you have to keep
the confidence of your team. You have to keep getting
better all the while keep the confidence that people have
(05:57):
in you back home, because you're like, look, we're not
supposed to beat a team with a payroll that is,
you know, fifty x of ours, Like that doesn't work
that way. All of that said, I can't think of
anything I would have rather been doing on a Saturday
than coaching that. It was so cool. It's so cool.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
But yes, Dan, I watched, and I know that Sam
was in tune as well. I know Jason watched the
first part of the game, but then may have had
plans and we were all glued to it. And when
I say, like all, my wife was there watching the game.
Brody wasn't understanding what was going on, but we were
(06:41):
all watching and it was quite the effort. And I
thought it was I know, you're not taking moral victories.
It's actually one of the reasons why I didn't even
text you after the game. I'm like, you know what,
I'm like. I actually thought it was amazing. I thought
it was great for Preston to be able to get
his opportunity on that stage, to be able to make
(07:02):
the shots that he did, whether it be the three
or the bucket with two seconds left, Like there was
so much good from that. I didn't think that you
were probably in the mood for it, But no, I was.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I was.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I was. I was mad. Yeah, I was mad. I
told you you yeah, no, yeah, I know you just
it's like it's I tell the plays like you're allowed
to be pissed, Like I'm pissed we should have won,
you know, I feel like we should have won. But
you can't be pissed at the growth and the effort
and and like you said, so what here you talk
about Preston. So Preston is Preston Rudinger. He is a
(07:36):
a fifth year senior. Again, so like let's go to
like his personal story. Right, he was a COVID year
senior in high school, so he was virtually not recruited,
no ability to recruit those guys because there was no
summer before, right, And he was a walk on at Valpo,
then got a scholarship. Then there was a coaching change
and he came back home. You know, so he plays
(07:58):
for two different coaches. He has just a myriad of injuries.
We didn't really want him to play the point this year,
Like I recruited three point guards because he's best. Like
I'm trying to get him to score more, and he's
just a really good leader and pastor from the two
guard position. Our point guards one you know, just you know,
had a lower leg injury the other night, and then
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you know the other two point guards have been slow
to come around. And he Preston also, he hurt his
back before he left for the trip, so he like
walks around like an old man. And oh yeah, by
the way, he hasn't had a shot yet this season.
And you know, we got blown out by Saint Thomas
on Friday night. Like he missed wide open shots, miss
wide open ones against Buffalo, and you know, everybody's grumbling.
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He's got to hit make some shots. And here's what
you don't know, Dan, it's great that you noticed. It
was you know, early in the game, he came over
to me. He's like, I want a shot. I go,
is it your back? He's like, no, I want to
shoot the ball. I thought. I was like, I was,
like I told the trainers like his back. He's like, no, no,
(09:05):
I want to shoot the ball. Run a play for
me to shoot the ball. Like okay, So I ran
a play from to shoot the ball and he missed it.
But it's more that he's taking the leadership of Okay,
now I need you need me to score on this team,
I'm gonna go score. So again, those are all like
little mini stories within it. Right, Plus a kid who
grows up in Wisconsin, you know, he'd loved Every kid
(09:27):
who grows up in Wisconsin wants to play in the
Big Ten. Who are we kidding ourselves? Right, So to
be sitting there playing against Wisconsin's rival in the Big
Ten in a great game and hoopin and he had
like twelve people on tickets there. His dad was there,
his mom was there, all his friends. That was really cool.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, and it's no disrespect to the Horizon League games
that you're gonna play that are much more meaningful for
your season. It's that stage. It's on Big Ten Network,
we're watching it live. It's not on ESPN. Plus anybody
could basically turn it on. And we were watching and
knowing his road, And also you had a lot to
turnover new players, he's not one of them. He was
(10:02):
there with you last year. You mentioned his road previous
of coming to Green Bay. I thought it was really
neat for him to at least have his his moments.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
If you will, Yeah, I if that shot, that half
court shot would account it, I would have been so
mad at him because he kind of like got out
of the way. It's like, yeah, I didn't think he
was gonna get it off, so I got you know.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I knew it was late from the second I said that.
I too.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I flighted to and it's you know, I and you
guys watched it, so you know, some people who don't know.
Williams Arena has that elevated floor, so your bench is
kind of below you, so you're literally up there on
the stage. It's it's a very. It feels like you're
in a bubble. It feels like it's just you, the
other coach and the ten players and refs and nothing else.
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And then you do Now, the acoustics are interesting in
that you hear everything from your bench. You just hear
these little like peanut gallery voices and they do break
through from your bench, but they're all kind of from
your feet, yeah, kind of below you. It's it just
that's the very. So anyway, uh, we're running a we're
running a play that's a that's an either or kind
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of read for him, and he read it the right
way and went and he's not a great finisher. It's
one of the frustrating things is he does all the
things that we practice, he's just it's just not something
he does well. So that's one that's that one hand
kind of scoop lay up. Is every trainer teaches that
and we don't, and it frustrates a hell out me.
But that's the one instance in which you have to
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use that play that kind of scoop shot where when
you have a bigger guy who might block the shot,
you kind of trick him and throw it up early
without touching your left hand because they time it otherwise anyway,
all of that stuff like he's going and I'm you know,
I call out the read for those guys because it's
just how my brain works, you know. And because there's
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there's it's it's we call it it's a shallow cut.
Uh So it's a double high ball screen. But the
second guy shallow cuts underneath the first one, so it
kind of can screw up the defense if they get
caught switching. They just switched to twitch it. So he
had the center on him and he smartly drove it
to the hoop and laid it in. Anyway, all those
things happen in really quick progression. And uh, and then
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I'm like, do I call it time out to set
up our defense? Like no, then they'll set up a play.
They get it in quick. And we hadn't really talked.
We've talked about how to defend if somebody's taking the
ball in late and they set up a play, but
we hadn't talked about what to do with two seconds
to go, and so I just yelled, stay in front
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of the ball, and he kind of did then got
out of the way. But anyway, it happens so fast,
Like I can't explain how much slower and faster things
happen when you're coaching them then they happen when you're
watching them. It's like I can see all the play,
like it all set up, like I know what's gonna
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happen before it happens or whatever. But in that instance,
it like goes from they make a free throw, miss
a free throw, we're down too, We push it up
the court, you get a laying in. I look up
it says one point nine seconds when the ball touches
his hands, And then I heard the buzzer go off.
Then I saw the ball released and just the slow
motion of it's in the air, and I'm singing myself, well,
(13:15):
that's going in, but that's gotta be late. And then
it goes in, and then you feel really good about
it because you turn to your bench and everybody in
the bench is like, no, no, no, it's late, it's late,
it's late. But then they're celebrating, like maybe they know
something I don't, and you start questioning yourself and you're
looking up there and you're like, oh, that was a
little closer than I thought it was. But again, in
real time, it happens quick, and then the things like
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releasing the ball happens kind of slow, and then the
buzzer seems like it lasts for like five seconds.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
They also blew a call at the end of the half,
but they thought it was good. They had to wave
it off. Yes, so they were the refs were over
to and calling baskets good.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, they missed a couple of blatant travels and some
other stuff and whatever. I mean, they're not going to
give you a check in give you calls. So I mean,
I thought the officiating was fifty times better than the
Saint Thomas officiating, but us but the play was But
that was as the other part about that game is,
you know, from being a Big ten basketball fan and
like everybody claims their league is ours is more physical,
(14:18):
Like that game was crazy physical because both team shot
so poorly. It was just just bodies just banging and
they got big old dudes. It was crazy physical.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I know we got a run, but are you practicing
boxing out the shooter on free throws this week?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
So we've practiced it a million times, and that one
was kay Tyson, who's their best player, was the actual shooter,
and we just we it's not for not yelling out,
not for not practicing. We just one of our returners
just fell asleep and he was probably in early. But
the the other hard part to it, Dan is I
(14:56):
was doing offense to defense subs and our offense weren't
you know, our offensive guys aren't as good as rebounders.
So I was, you know, like I was a little
bit knee jerky of who do I take out? Who
do I leave in? And I just got caught. You know.
I had two timeouts, but I was trying to bank
a time out. I didn't want to waste it and
buy timeouts. I mean, okay, so what you would do
(15:17):
there was leave your big lineup in get the rebound
or take it in bounds, bring it to half court,
then call it time out, then run a play. And
so instead of wanting to waste the time out because
we already had guys, I could tell them what play
to run before they subbed in. You know, I thought
we could get away with it, and we just got
caught on one of those.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
You'll probably say it in the meeting room. We can't
say it here. But you got to put a body
out him. You may still got the rebound, you still
got to put a body out him.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
No, gotta put a boy him every time. Yep, every time. Absolutely.
But that's where you know we're better, but we're still
not there, right because those things just happened too often.
Last year they did out rebound us on the offensive boards.
There an excellent offensive rebounding team. We were better, but
still not good enough. But yeah, it was fun anyway.
(16:05):
My epiphany, guys is like people ask all the time,
like all the things you learn, like, I love this shit,
I fucking love it. It's so awesome, It's is it
a lot? Yeah, It's a lot, you know, I mean
between losing a game, going to the hospital, getting the
kid's mom into town, managing all that, managing the players emotions,
(16:28):
prepping for another game, prepping for a tournament, you know,
trying to manage guys getting rested, figuring out okay, are
we are we trying to develop our guys in this game?
Or we can try? Can we win the guys win
this game? What's who do I not play? Like? That's
actually a big one is who do I not play?
All those things? I love it.
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previous version of a Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One show,
Here's Nim make comment on it. Here's Dan Byron Kerry Rhodes.
They had this exchange yesterday on Denver's win over the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
What we've heard with the parody in the NFL and
who's the great team? There is this notion carry that
you still have to beat the champ. You still have
to go through the previous champ, whether that be Philadelphia
for winning the Super Bowl, or Kansas City for winning
the AFC, or just Kansas City for winning the AFC West. Yeah,
I think that there is something to that. And while
(17:38):
it wouldn't wrap it up again, you would give Kansas
City your fifth loss of the season, and there's Denver
would be sitting there at nine and two, three up
in the lost column as you're heading into week twelve.
That's a pretty good spot to be in. So yeah,
so it's there's just a lot at stake, and I
would give Denver the credit and what I think would
be their biggest win of.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
The year, Yeah, I would say I would say it
would be as well. I mean, obviously they had some
opportunistic wins and there's gonna be some of those in
the season that you can look back on and say,
maybe we shouldn't have won that one, but we pulled
it out, because they'll be there will be the flip
side of that, right, No, those are games we should
have won, and so that's you know, you got to
give them credit for that. But this would definitely be
the biggest, most substantial win I think for them at
(18:19):
this moment right now.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Uh, it's a huge win for Denver, huge win. And
as much as their offense has been holding them back,
the defense has been outstanding to win that game. I
don't care if it's at home. I mean just finding
a way. Denver continues to find ways to win, playing
up to or down to the level of competition, and
though that didn't vanquish the Chiefs, it does. The Chiefs
continue to put themselves in a tough spot and proved
(18:46):
me wrong with the Andy Reid out of a buy
record which has become a little bit more flimsy once
he's in Kansas City. Here's Con Coward talk about his
favorite topic, now, the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Now, I see a young coach, I see a young quarterback.
They've got a lot of They're great in the fourth quarter.
It feels very much like Denver to me, does it not?
Young quarterback, great play caller, nice offensive weapons. So look
at their division for the Bears, who say, people say
it's not sustainable. The Vikings are lost offensively, Green Bay wins,
(19:18):
but their identity is funky. I'm not sure Matt Lathor
wants to run, but they can't, so they pass reluctantly,
but it works and Detroit again, Ben Johnson left that offense.
Detroit's offense is not the same.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So I mean.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Chicago and Caleb, there's too many penalties. They're flawed. Here's
what they do. Tell me if this stuff is sustainable.
They run the ball as well as almost anybody.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
In the league.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
They don't turn it over yet they take it away
from you, and they're excellent playing from behind. The other
thing they do, they've eliminated the negative plays. We talked
about that all off season. So Chicago's eliminated the worst
thing they do last year, all the negative plays.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
They don't do them.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
So Chicago's got some things to clean up. But to me,
when you say it's not sustainable, they run it, they
take it away, they don't turn it over. A durable
quarterback great in the fourth quarter. What's not sustainable?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I just I it's a struggle sometimes for me to
keep up with his takes on the Bears, right, because
I thought those two couldn't work together. It's the quarterback's
not good enough, and now it seems fun. It's like
like Denver, which, by the way, Denver, it was last
week that or maybe the week before where he said, yeah,
we're just you know, you got regression at quarterback. Maybe
(20:39):
they should draft another one. But whatever, I mean, Bears
are finding a way to win, and it's obviously been
a dramatic change. I think Kayleb Williams is improving. Here's
Dan Patrick talking about Jamar Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey
during their game yesterday.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Think about the repercussions. Let's say Jamar Chase, he's suspended
for this next game, so you lose a game. Check
now you may lose that game. Therefore, there is no
reason to bring Joe Burrow back.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And you have a.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Head coach who might be coaching for his job. So yes,
you got caught up in the moment you spit on somebody.
So Burrow's now not going to play, Your coach may
get fired, probably will, and then you're gonna have another
loss here. So it's not just a stupid moment here.
It could be it could metastasize the issues with the
(21:30):
Cincinnati Bengals. It doesn't matter what he says. Nothing should
trigger getting spit on in a situation like that. I'm
really curious what the NFL does. Is it just one game?
It should be there should be a real strong deterrent here.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I don't know if the NFL can say, all right,
we suspended Jalen Carter for the game against the Cowboys,
and therefore you can't come down harder on Jamar Chase,
can you? Because I would suspend somebody for a couple
of games. Let the message sink in.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, I don't really understand any of the spitting on
people think like when was when is that part of
our part of the bag? Right? And if it's to
get the guy's reaction and to be that I just yeah,
I first of all, it's gross. It's gross, it's really gross.
(22:25):
But I also don't think that it should be suspended
for a couple of games, because it's like, okay, so
that's a couple of game worthy, and you know, in
comparison to something off the field that you do, and
how many games do we know? I would do a
hapty fine, I don't even know if I do a suspension.
It's gross. But you know, again like okay, so if
(22:51):
that's a suspension worthy of multiple games, what isn't worthy
of multiple games? It's gross? Somebody should I mean, like
you're not thinking anybody's gonna cheap shot him, but it
does open you up to a cheap shot from somebody
else because it is gross. It's dehumanizing, if you will.
(23:13):
Football can and should be able to take care of itself.
That's one of the things that we're taking out of it.
But it's not multiple game worthy. That's what the Fox is.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Say.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
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Speaker 2 (23:32):
App Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug, So set the
scene or help me set the scene. So South Carolina
went into half with a huge lead and they end
up losing to Texas A and M.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, thirty to thirty to three. They were up at
the half.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
And something happened at halftime where players were coming out
for the second half and a Texas A and M
trooper or a state trooper had a run in or
purposefully I guess uh shouldered a couple of the players
and then looked back at him and pointed. When they
(24:20):
were like, what the fuck? So I don't know Prince
Grimes with USA Today, maybe this is his content I saw.
I saw a bunch of videos about it online, but
I just don't remember it going to this extreme. Prince
Jay Grimes of USA Today writes the following, disgraceful, despicable, reprehensible.
(24:46):
Those are just a few words you could use to
describe the actions of Texas state trooper who bumped into
the two South Carolina players in the tunnel at Kyle
Field on Saturday. What we saw was a level of
insecurity unbecoming of an officer of the law. A grown
man decided he needed to exert a level of dominance
over college students playing a game, delivering young black men
(25:10):
a stark reminder of their place in society, even in
a moment that was supposed to be filled with joy.
He goes on basically to say, this guy's lucky to
have his job, because if he acts like this in
a controlled environment on a football field, it's no telling
how he is in the streets of Texas. I think
(25:35):
that I think you said this a lot, and I
said it a lot in the second six months of
the year twenty twenty. When you allege racism when there
isn't racism, then the next time you call wolf, we
are going to be less likely to hear you or
read you. I saw an asshole whose home team was
(26:00):
getting beat on Saturday, and he did willfully and purposefully
shove two kids, and he got removed from the game
as a trooper. But to take it to this was
a person telling a black man where he fits in society.
I mean, those words are kind of dangerous, right You're
(26:22):
you're alleging something that doesn't exist. So the next time
you do have an allegation, we're going to take you
less seriously.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yep. Again, If the idea behind any bad behavior is
always I don't know why the first resort has to
be to racism. I saw a cop on a bit
of a power trip, which is what I think a
lot of us have experienced in life. I will tell
(26:51):
you this though, Jason, in defense of I'm not going
to defend somebody who writes an op ed piece who
is probably not in nor have they ever been to
Kyle Field, to Texas A and m You know, it
just it doesn't feel like one in which a guy
was on the scene and asked any questions. It's just,
(27:12):
you know, the thirty thousand feet really easy, low hanging
fruit sort of delivery of opinion. I will say though,
that A and M does have a reputation and part
of the magic to when Kevin Someone was there was
it is seen as super white, super conservative, and you know,
(27:33):
you have all these Rozi guys there right who like, hey,
you're a little too serious, and people we call it
a cult, like everybody calls A and M a cult
because it feels that way. And if you're not in
the cult, anybody outside the colts that feels shunned. But
it does have a reputation of being not exactly the
(27:56):
warmest place to black athletes and to students, and there
is a pre determined reputation, and that was the thing
that someone could do Kevin Someone, not just because he's black,
but he had just a great personality way about him
where they were doing incredible and recruiting back then because
to quote some of my friends, Kevin Someone made A
(28:17):
and M cool to black kids and people front that
weren't just you know, country white kids, right or they
weren't an MLM sons and sons and daughters. So you're right,
I feel the same way about the piece, it's jumping
to conclusions. It's kind of regressing back to that, you know,
everything is about race sort of mentality. The one caveat
(28:40):
I would I would say is it's a bad look
for A and M because A and M does have
this reputation, especially in college athletics and in Texas the
like in ain't a school that black dudes should go to.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
There is a this is kind of along the same line.
So there's there. You can't have a like a modern
opinion of the Shadoor Sanders debut. Everything has to be
extreme when it comes to shador I don't know where
we've come to a place where a young black athlete
who grew up with a whole bunch of money and
(29:13):
then made a whole bunch of money in college is
being treated treated like the worst victim in the history
of the NFL. And I don't see a place where, like,
everything the kid does is extremely awful. Every single word
he said after the game yesterday has been parsed.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
This is a little of what he said after the
game that grew a lot of scrutiny from the people
that can't stand Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
First and foremost funy. Thank God from giving me the
opportunity to get out there. That's all you get asked for, honestly,
the chance to get out there, get your feed wet,
to experience how it feels, you know, to even be
out there with the team, with first group, with everybody.
(30:01):
So I'm sure he was excited. It was a rough
day overall, But the thing that I was excited about
is just being able to get out there. You know,
it's the first time I got hit like since since
my last game at Colorado. So just having that feeling back,
you know, is good.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
So that wasn't enough for the people that hated him, right,
And then Rex Ryan was on ESPN today. I guess
after the game, Shaduur Sanders sat on the bench. He
did not partake in the handshakes, so over b roll
Of like Lamar Jackson seemingly looking for Shaduur to give
(30:41):
a handshake too. Rex Ryan had this to say, He's.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
Got to get over himself too, like you like, he's
there by himself on the bench.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
At the end of the game.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
I've never seen I've seen it in the seventh game
of World Series when you lose a game or whatever.
This is a game.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Is a pillow fight game?
Speaker 9 (30:57):
Nobody cares?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Who cares?
Speaker 10 (30:59):
Sit back?
Speaker 9 (31:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
DIDNY care?
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Or are you trying to make it a show and
make it about yourself. You've got a guy over there that,
by the way, is a two time MVP right there,
Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
He was looking for you.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
He was looking for you right there. Why didn't share
a moment with him? All right? All right, share a
moment with Lamar? Be looking all over for you. They
get in there with your teammates. These are your teammates.
All these are your teammates, and talk about I'm not
comfortable losing. You think anybody in that locker room is?
They better not be.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I don't recall an athlete that has been this polarizing.
So I don't know if it's a sign of the
political times or if this is like because there's nothing
he can do right to half the population and then
to the other population. He's the biggest victim in the NFL,
and everyone has a vendetta against him, including the NFL
(31:50):
front office.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah. I don't think anybody has a vendetta against him, right,
I mean, that's just not realistic.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
But do you remember do you remember an athlete being
this polarizing. Yeah, every single word is parsed, every action
is Baker is parsed up.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Baker, Tebow.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Neither of those guys were made out to be victims.
Though by the I'm saying the polarizing aspect is half
the people think in extreme way that he's a victim
and the vendetta part and half of them, No, that's
not true.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Wrong, Teba was was made into it to a victim. Oh,
it's only because he prays or whatever, Like, yeah, that's
I don't I don't believe that to be true. I
think Baker was polarizing. Again, I'd have to go back
and look, it does feel like there's maybe not to
this level, but there is a There are quarterbacks Menzel Was.
(32:45):
Everything was made into a big deal, and look, uh,
if we're honest, it kind of went away for a
couple of weeks because, you know, because he was third
string quarterback. And I think what's interesting is what happens
when Deshaun Watson comes back, Like, and you know, how
(33:07):
long is Dylan Gabriel out for how much leash do
you give him? You know, I gave my opinion a
little bit earlier on in the radio show. I will
tell you that there's a lot of pressure on Shador
Sanders and he did not. You know, I can just
because you play poorly does mean you're a bad player,
especially once your first game out there. And I don't
(33:30):
actually mind him sitting there and taking it all in,
like I think, like Rex is just like, all right, Rex,
I got it. You don't like the kid noted moving on.
It just feels like Rex like and I like Rex, Like, dude,
we get it. You're you're playing a role on TV,
and it probably does overemphasize how you really feel, but
(33:51):
you just he just comes across like a dick. Sorry,
Like I don't love I don't love the celebration stuff,
some look as me stuff what he did for the draft.
But again, like now he's in the NFL, we judge
him as a player. He played like shit. He looked
completely ill prepared. They pressure him, they heated him up,
he wasn't ready and he made bad throws. Okay, doesn't
(34:11):
mean he's the worst player ever. Let's see, let's see
what he does when he gets another shot next week
in more preparation. But like now we start picking apart
where he's sitting like I don't know when I play
like shit or well our team plays like shit. I
don't want to be around anybody either, who else annoying you?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
This is just Dan, I want to play this. This
is Cam Newton talking about Shaduur today.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
I do not think Kevin Stefanski wants Shardure Sanders to
succeed in Cleveland. The reason being is, don't tell me
what he said. Don't tell me what he's saying. I'm
going off of actions, all right, let's go off actions.
The actions is if I'm Schadore or if I'm a
Shadoor Sanders fan, I would not want him to take
the field because that's going to consistently be the display
(34:55):
we're going to see. It doesn't matter if it's to
Sewan Watson, it doesn't matter. If it Shadure Sanas, it
doesn't matter. If it's Dylan Gabriel, it doesn't matter. If
it's Dan or Lawski, it doesn't matter if it's Cam Newton.
You need help in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
So did you notice the massive contradiction there. I don't
want Stefanski. I don't think Stefanski wants should do or
to succeed. And then he goes on to talk about
it doesn't matter what quarterbacks in there, they wouldn't succeed
without any help. So which is it? Cam? So my
last part is this. I think I've said this to people.
(35:27):
I've said I don't with the thing with Donald Trump.
Maybe the most annoying thing about Donald Trump is that
I don't know when the line ends and where the
bullshit begins. They're like, what do you mean? Well, let
me give you an example. He talked to the He
talked on Air Force Wonder reporters about the MRI for
his yearly physical, the MRI.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, I understand that the results.
Speaker 11 (35:54):
Because it's part of my physical. Getting an MRI is
very standard. Why you think I shouldn't have another? People,
I had an MRI. Hysterious, I had an MRI. The
doctor said it was the best result he has ever
seen as a doctor.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
That's it.
Speaker 11 (36:12):
But I had an MRI as part of my standard
yearly or everyone.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I think they do it every two years.
Speaker 11 (36:19):
But I have the physical every year and the result
was outstanding. Did you know, Lord, I have no idea
what they analyzed, but whatever they analyze, they analyze it well.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
So just a couple things.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
So it's so good. You don't know such bullshit.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You don't know what you got the MRI on. It's
part of a yearly physical MRIs are usually pretty specific.
Is and then he said that the the doctor said
that he's never seen a better MRI as a doctor.
And I'm thinking, so maybe when he was a janitor,
before he was a doctor, he saw a better MRI.
(36:58):
And I'm thinking, also, what is the greatest MRI result ever?
I thought m ris were supposed to like check things
off the list. You're supposed to check and see if
something's there, and if it's not there, which is ninety
five percent of the time, then that's a clean MRI.
But how do you have a great m RI? What
were there like cells doing dances in the m RI?
(37:23):
I where where is there like a party in the
in the innards of Donald Trump's body? Like what's going
on with that?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I don't know. I mean, we are going to miss him.
There's lots of things we're not going to miss. We're
going to miss him. Uh, greatest MRI results I've ever seen?
Like what?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I what as a doctor? As a doctor?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, what even is that? What even is that?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I don't I don't even have you gotten many MRIs
in your life where.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
You've gotten what it was for. I knew what it
was for, very much knew what it was for. I
just I don't know. It's so funny. It's so bizarre
and yet so funny all at the same time. You know, Yeah,
he's just so bizarre. My doctor said it's the greatest
(38:17):
MRI results he ever saw. Huh what Okay, so good?
So good?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
So who's is full racist? On the Trooper? The reaction
to Shador Sanders is never anything down the middle? And
Donald Trump got an MRI on a part of his
body that he didn't know about and it was the
greatest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I think that is amazing. That's so good. That's so
so good. Let's say the best MRI I ever. I think,
you know, h I think the very very predictable Uh,
the very predictable racist Senate has to be racism sentiment
(39:09):
is is uh is the most ann It's annoy.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Uh? The Seahawks lost to the Rams yesterday. Ernest Jones
is a linebacker for the Seahawks and he he was
asked by the reporter about Sam Darnold taking blame for
the loss as he threw four interceptions. And this was
Ernest Jones.
Speaker 12 (39:38):
Sam's been baling right. If we want to try to
define Sam by this game or what man, sam'sman had
us in every fucking game. So for him to sit
there and say, oh, that's my fault, no it's not.
It was plays that defensively, we could have made plays.
There were opportunities where we could have got better stops. Yeah,
I mean, like, it's football man, he's our quarterback, we
(40:00):
got his back end. You got anything to say, quite frankly,
fuck you.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
So good. I love it. I love it. Yep. He
probably lost them up, but then he got to get
some credit for winning in the past. Why I could
play it for you because we can't. That's it for
the end. The Modus Podcast. I got the radio show
every day three to five. He's from Teuto Pacific, Fox
Sports Radio. iHeartRadio app. I'm Doug Gottlieb
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