Is Aaron Rodgers crippling the Packers?

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Angeles it is, and uh, we got a big show
for you. Chris will be joining us momentarily. But everybody
knows Aaron Rodgers got paid, got big time money yesterday
by the Packers. And I know a lot of people
are like, oh, the Packers are crazy to put soak
so much money into a quarterback. You gotta build your team.

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You gotta have money for other players nonsense, poppy cock,
don't buy any of that. You gotta have a quarterback
if you want to win in this league. I don't care.
I get it. Do you need a defense to make up?
You need somebody to make a stop, make a play,
But dude, without a quarterback, it's almost impossible. Yes, there

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are a couple of times when when teams won Super
Bowls with these great, all time great defenses. Right, we
saw Tampa Bay do it, we saw Baltimore do it.
I get it. It happens, and then people get crazy,
and then they want to tell you how you need
the defense and other players, and you don't want to

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spend money on a on a quarterback, not Aaron Rodgers.
I'm telling you, every time that guy takes the field,
every time he's out there and and a season, the
Packers have a chance. They have a chance. So I'm sorry,

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Aaron Rodgers deserves Chris All one hundred thirty four million
dollars a hundred and three guaranteed on the four year contract.
I think the Packers did the right thing. When you
have a historically great quarterback who's won a Super Bowl,
won so many divisions in the NFC, uh North, that

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guy is is the once in a lifetime player. Pay
people who produce. I'm all in on the Aaron Rodgers contract. Look, man,
I love Aaron Rodgers just as much as you. Just
here we go here. I love him, But are they
gonna win in another Super Bowl? If Aaron Rodgers on
that team, they got a chance to last eight years?

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You want me to break down all the things that
happened when the when the on site kick in Seattle,
where the tight end that has something to do with
doesn't matter that, No it does. Here's the problem, and
I look, I love Aaron Rodgers. He's just about the
best quarterback I've ever seen. No, he is the best

(03:27):
I've ever seen, not even up almost. I don't know.
You tell me. I'm not talking about some Super Bowl.
I'm not talking about the argument a lot of people
make about Lebron Well, let's see about the production. No,
it's not about that. I'm talking about accomplished. He's not
the greatest accomplished quarterback. I'm talking about if you just
look at if you that great, you win, Chris He

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has the greatest quarterback rating up any quarterback in the history,
the greatest down the interception ratio, of any quarterback, and
he's you're saying he's the greatest quarterback of all times
that I've ever seen play. I'm not talking about we Look,
we can't. We can't, we can't cut and slice. We're

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not most of most valuable, most outsti quarterback I've ever seen.
So you're willing to say he's the goal over Joe
Mont talking about go because goat is you have to
factor in winning and everything. My point, Rob is this,
we can only go with one goat. If you're not,
we're not giving We're not having eight categories of goatness.

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I mean, look, that's that's off the point. Here's my
only issue, and again I'm with you. I have not
seen the quarterback play the position better than Aaron Rodgers individually.
All Right, that's something we could agree on. Ok. And
he is worth every cent. He is phenomenal and as

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you said, you are going to be in the hunt,
you're gonna have a chance to win the Super Bowl
for as long as he's there and still in his prime. Right,
there's three teams that every year in it, in a
league where contenders come and go, there's three teams that
every single year Pittsburgh New England, Green Bay. When Rogers

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is healthy, they got a shot. They got They all
have great quarterbacks. Here's my only problem. When a quarterback
takes up so much of your salary cap. It's been proven,
it's been documented. I don't know why the analytics driven
general managers don't realize this. You have very little chance

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of winning the Super Bowl. I'm not buying it. I
think that that I don't care what the fact is.
I'm gonna You can't say you're not buying it. I'm
not buying it. So if I'm not buying gravity, but
I go to the top of this building and jump
off as it matter. No, but I could give you
all these teams you're talking about what they spent less money.

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They didn't win last year. They had a great defense
in Jacksonville, and you know what happened at the end
of the game. They had a pretty bad quarterback. But
you know what happened. No, they didn't almost win. He
couldn't get the big play done in the fourth quarter.
They were ten but when you needed the first down,
when you needed the big play, he couldn't deliver it.

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That's what didn't win. Who what how good is Nick
Foles looking pretty good. Now you want to build your
franchise around him, No, you don't want to, because it's
a once in a lifetime deal. We've already seen that
with Nick Foles. Nick Foles was a backup for a reason, Chris,
he was a backup because that point, that's my point.
Philadelphia had a great team around a mediocre if that quarterback.

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He didn't play mediocre he had like he played. He
played out of his mind, like a once in a
lifetime thing. So you can't make it as whoa, you
just need a mediocre quarterback. He outplayed Tom Brady in
the Super Bowl. How good is Joe Flacco? Joe Flack
goes good. I mean, go look at his numbers. Joe
fly goes really good. He's pretty hasn't been good here lately.

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But if you go back that he was pretty good.
He beat New England twice and and and get all that.
But let's be honest, he was pretty He's not phenomenal
Super bowlies franchise quarterbacks. I'm gonna get you the numbers
the year that they won the Super Bowl. Up he
was he had like eleven touchdowns or twelve touchdowns, no picks.

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He would he's been clutching the playoffs. My my point
is just that it's been proven Rob that you can
win super Bowls with a pretty good quarterback if you
build around him. Tom Brady has always taken less money.
He cares about what. Tom Brady's wife makes more money
than him. So so you mean if if Rogers instead

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of taking thirty three million, he took twenty five million,
it would have made a difference in his life. I
don't believe in taking less. The league comes up with
a bogus it's a false, fake number of the salary cap.
Chris based on what based I'm glad you based on
their profits based on an article in USA today. I

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read that. I don't care about it. What was that yesterday?
Was it today? A few months ago? All right? I
think it was after Matt maybe Matt Ryan signed or whatever.
They did a study going all the way back to
nineteen four and what they found was that when a

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quarterback takes up too much of the salary cap, you
don't win Super Bowls. The Steve Young had the highest
percentage of salary caps, you know, payroll, of any quarterback
that's won of super Bowls. And guess what his percentage
of the cap was percent. Only four quarterbacks in history

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have won a Super Bowl with more than eleven percent
of the salary cap. Guess guess what percentage Aaron Rodgers
is going to have of the salary cap in when
his extension kicks in. Uh, seventeen percent. No, no team
has ever won a Super Bowl with the quarterback taking up.

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Do you want to bet that Aaron Rodgers wins one
more Super Bowl in his career? I'm ready right here,
right now to tell you that Aaron Rodgers will be
the exception to your US Today US USA Yesterday report,
That's what I'm calling it. USA Yesterday. It was a
great article. It was a great report, and uh you

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should have checked it out, But look I don't. I'm
not gonna. I may take you on that up on
that bet at sometime. The reason I'm not right now
is because I love Aaron Rodgers and I'm pulling for him,
So I don't want to bet against what I'm pulling for.
This article was in February, by the way, uh, in
USA Today. But look, I get it. You you pay

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the guy because he is so good. Because every year
you're going to be in the hunt all I'm saying
is your chances of winning. No one's ever won a
Super Bowl with a quarterback making that much more is
gonna make it happen. I'm telling you he will. He
will break the mold as an exception to every rule.
Why has that? Me? Asked you? Why hasn't he won

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it in the last since two thousand and ten? Because
I told you there's been all kinds of uh circumstances
where because he didn't have as good enough, good enough
team around him, that's bottom line, right, No, no, no,
But that's not the reason because he wasn't making But
he wasn't making seventeen percent back then, Chris, when you're talking,
so that does my point since he got the Mega's contract,

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hasn't been back to the Super Bowl. But he didn't
have the matt you're talking about the seventeen percent. Now,
he wasn't making that back in my point, but he
was still making a ton of money. He was still
making up. I don't know what the percentage was. It
may it might have been close to seventeen percent for

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all I know. Maybe our researchers can get on that.
But he has not won eight been back to the
Super Bowl. Forget winning it because tight end fumbled an
on sidekick. Then there was the other game that they
maybe he had a better tight end, many to get
a better tight end if the guy, if the guy
followed the plan, which was to let Jordy Nelson catch

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the ball and to block instead of touching the football,
then they would have gone to the Super Bowl. Maybe
if had they had the money to pay a guy
who would have followed the play. All Right, you and
one of those goofy moves. I'm torn because I'm with you.
I'm all in on Aaron Rodgers, and yes he deserved
the money. What I'm saying is they probably won't win

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another Super Bowl. They good chance. I'm mean, all the
numbers show they won't win another super Bowl. Now, it's
a business. It's a business. He's gonna fill the seats.
He's gonna have you in contention every single year, and
I tend to be with you. I think that he's
good enough to win another one. I hope he wins

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a few more. He needs anybody can I believe that
all the stars can align for you. You can win one.
So if you want to be considered great, you need
another one. That's like the Eli Manning thing. He didn't
beat Tom Brady once, got lucky right with the tyree,
he beat him twice, and he beat that eighteen and

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old Patriots team. You can say whatever you want, but
you cannot take away um what he's clutched. You you
got whatever you say about him, you have to say
Eli is clutch and gets it done in the big moment.
So you know all I all I'm saying is that

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it's a it's a tough. It's tough when you pay
your quarterback at that much money. That's it. That's it,
and and chance are they won't win again. But hey,
we'll see Graham Hill going to the Horror Wood. Rob
injuries derailed his career and he's still going to the
NBA Hall of Fame or the Basketball Hall of Fame.
We'll discuss his story next. It's the I Couple filling

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in for Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports. It is indeed
the Doug Got Leave Show. But I am Chris Bruce, sorry,
and my partner with me is Rob Parker. We are
the I Couple filling in for our buddy Doug Gottlieb.
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one and you can follow me at at Chris Chris Underscore,

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Bruce Hard Rob great first segment. Uh, Aaron Rodgers huge salary,
super Bowls that he's going to win, we think, And
we'll get back to that, but let's switch gears to basketball.
That's always a hot topic the n b A because
we're going to be joined by Grant Hill, who's about

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to be inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame as
a twenty member class. And that's a heck of Have
you seen that class? Rob? Yeah, Yeah, it's a it's
a pretty amazing group of people. Ray Allen, Jason Kidds,
Steve nash, Mo Cheeks, Maurice Cheeks from those Grade SEVENTI

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sixers teams. Chris Webber didn't make it. He was, you know,
a candidate didn't get in. You have any problems with
any of these guys being in or Chris Webber? Maybe not.
I don't know the problem I having. It isn't with Uh.
It's just that I think the NBA, and I've said
this before, should have its own Hall of Fame, and

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there's no disrespect to the Basketball Hall of Fame. I
don't think people know what the criteria is to make it.
And I think that's where the issue comes in. You
agree with me or not. Yeah, I mean, whatever the
criteria is, it's not that high, right, I hate to
say it, you know what I mean? And I just

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think that people would like to uh so. So along
with the you know, the Basketball Hall of Fame, I
just think the NBA needs its own. Yeah as well.
I can see that. I can see that we Grant
is on with us. Uh you can follow him on
Twitter at real Grant Hill thirty three. Great, Welcome to

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the I Couple and the the Got Leave Show. How
you doing I'm good, I'm good at man and we're
doing great. And you know what, Grant, I gotta tell
everybody's story real quick about you. All right, Chris, listen up.
So this isn't during his Detroit days, Red Hill says
he's gonna come in and do my radio show back then.

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In the studio was on the weekend, like a Sunday,
and they had a game on the West coast to
coach back then, decided to stay an extra night. So
you know, Grant, they they I don't know, he can't
make it or whatever. So he comes in and maybe
he was gonna be on Saturday, and and they stayed
at night over. So Grant gets off the plane the
next day on Sunday. Most people would just be like,

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I just got off a plane from the West coast.
I'm not coming, you know what I mean. It just
everything's got mixed up. Do you know? Grant and his
wife not only King, got off the plane, drove to
the radio station in studio, did the show for over
an hour before he went home. So Grant, I always
appreciated that a man who keeps his word, and congratulations

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on the Hall of Fame. I'm very happy and proud
for you. Hey, Rob, I appreciate that. And uh, I
do remember that. Uh those were good times, good memories
man back back in Detroit, and uh always uh enjoyed
hanging out on air, hanging out in the palace, topping
it up at you and uh and certainly enjoy watching

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you continue to grow and and kill it out there
in the media world. So big big man, Well, they
are listeners can tell Grand that your class personified from
that comment. Um, but I want to ask you, look,
because you know a lot of our listeners, a lot
of basketball fans in general are young Uh, they're young,

(17:15):
and they may be millennials, but a lot didn't see
you before your ankle injuries, and you were very much
a Lebron James type player. You know. I think your
second year you average like twenty points basically ten rebounds,
seven assists, your third year twenty one point nine rebounds,
seven assists. Like we hadn't really seen anybody since the

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Big Old or Jerry West put up those types of
numbers across the board. And me as a basketball fan,
I'm even a little like I find myself sometimes thinking, man,
what could have been with with Grant Hill if he
hadn't got injured? How much does it haunt you? Or
how often do you think about me what could have

(18:01):
been if that injury hadn't occurred? When you know, Chris,
first of all, um, I totally understand this young generation.
I mean I I live it at home. You know,
when when I got the announcement right before the Final four,
my sixteen year old daughter was like, damn you the
Hall of Fame, right, yeah, So you know, I mean

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she never had the opportunity, obviously to see those years
and uh, and so you know, when when when you're
in the middle, when you're in the midst of your career,
and you know, my career is kind of broken into three,
three different segments, you know, the nineties which were really good,
Detroit and Duke Orlando, which was really bad, and then

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Phoenix was it was good in the sense that I
was able to get healthy and and sort of finished
playing on a high note. But each sort of place
was a different experience. But when you're in the midst
of it all, you're you're you're kind of in the moment,
like you just in the moment. You're looking ahead to
the future, and you really don't look back. And so
even in Detroit, like I didn't. The one regret was

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I never appreciated maybe or it took the time to appreciate,
you know, just what I was doing. You know, I
was always thinking like I gotta get better, or we
gotta be better, or what am I not doing? Uh?
And then in Orlando the same thing, like I gotta
get healthy, I gotta get back on the court. And
then Phoenix is I'm old, so I gotta figure out
how I can stay on the court against people half
my age, you know, And so not until you kind

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of get off that roller coaster of the NBA as
a player, and now you kind of slow down a
bit and then you kind of have time to reflect,
do you sort of appreciate and then have your mind wander,
like you said, where man, what could have been? You know?
And and uh and so I've done a lot of that,
particularly with the announcement just past April, where um, you know,

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I wonder what could have happened, what would have been.
I always kind of felt like last few years that
my career was like an incomplete like you know, I
mean I played until I was forty, but um, you know,
I was progressing, I was getting better. I felt like
I made huge strides in my last year or two
in Detroit and I was just about to enter that

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space where you know, you're kind of going into your
prime and and I never really had that chance and
that opportunity and so um, so you know, I mean
it's it's frustrating on that end, uh, and certainly talking
something that I'll live with probably for the rest of
my life. But you know, to still be recognized and

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to still be remembered. Uh. And look, one other thing
I'll say, when I was when I was playing, I
forgot about those times you know, you only remember what
you're currently going through, and so when people say things
like you just said what you said, Chris. I sat
with Jason Kidd a couple of weeks ago. We did
a little sit down conversation and I was kind of

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blown away. Um, but what he was saying about me,
And I'm thinking, man, it's Jason Kidd and like and
he but he remembers, he remembers, you know, us battling
each other in those Detroit years and so so anyway,
it's it's been an interesting process, and I thought, hey,
I've had an interesting story. But um, you know, I'm

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thankful and grateful that I played for as long as
I did and now that I'm you know, getting recognized
by all. What about the what could have been? Was
in Orlando when when you and Tim duncan almost both
went there with Tracy McGrady and and Tim duncan, And
it came out just recently that he said the reason

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he didn't go there because it wouldn't allow his family
to get on the plane, the team plane like that.
That was a deterrent for him going to Orlando. What
could have been had that all come together? I mean,
you guys would have had a super team that probably
would have been the real first super team. Do you
ever think about that if that all happened? Yeah, No,

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I mean I look, I was, I was there at
the dinner when you know, when when that whole situation
with you know, spouses and significant others flying on the plane,
and you know, I mean I remember at that point
it seemed as though he was all in. And you know,
obviously it's hard to think about think of Tim Duncan

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in that way because you know, we think of him
San Antonio and had a long career, but at that point,
he I think he was only one or two years
in the league, and you know, David Robinson was getting
older and he was really seriously leaning that way. And
I remember his then girlfriend who went on to be
his wife and now his ex wife. She asked the question,

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can can you know significant others fly on the team plane?
And at that point you're just like, Doc, just lie
like right, and he said no. I was like, whole
mood at the table changed when my wife we got

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back to the hotel where my wife was like, yo, Doc,
Doc should have just sit there like he's not coming
to me, He's not She knew it right then and there. Wow.
So now we're gonna say this, you know, not to
to rehash that, but um, I probably would not have
left Detroit. I had no intentions of leaving Detroit even

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that last year. Like I you know, I really enjoyed
it up there and I lived there year round. And
you know, obviously we had troubles in terms of winning
and different personnel, but I got my intention was to
stay there, and um, and then when I got hurt,
and the way that I thought that was a little
bit mismanaged. Like I was emotional and I was upset

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that summer, and you know, so I was, you know,
sort of making a decision from a place of anger.
And if I had not gotten hurt, one would stay
in Detroit. Graham Hill with the I couple on the
Doug Gottlieb Show, and you can catch the conversation, uh,
that he talked about with Jason Kidd on NBA TV. UH.

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That'll be airing leading up to their enshrinement ceremony on Friday,
September seven, Uh, seven pm on NBA TV. Grant, There's
so much I want to ask you. Um, Okay, so
Rob alluded to it. You Tim Duncan trace McGrady would
have undoubtedly been a super team at that time. Did

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you think about, man, this is three of the best
young players in the league joining forces, and does that
situation that it almost happened give you a different perspective
on what Lebron did with Miami or what k D do.
That's what I mean, because Lebron call a lot of flak,

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you know, from joining d Wade and Boss. They all did,
but especially Lebron. Kevin Durant called the flag by going
to Golden State. Do you have a different respect because
some of your contemporaries and older guys did criticize them
for coming together like that. Yeah, you know, I think
as I as I think back on that Orlando experience.

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I mean Tim and I we had the same agent
and so it was all coordinated I guess to go
and visit Orlando at the same time. Um. I remember
Tim seemed like he was was in uh and then
and then was out. And then for a period he
was like, look, I think I'm gonna stay. And I
was still still committed to going to Orlando and not

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even sure of t Mac and where he was. And
then t Mac I think visited shortly thereafter, and um
and said he was in. And then it was like,
let's see if we can get temp um and so.
But yeah, I mean, Lebron catches a lot of flag
and you know, some times I'm tough on Lebron for
various things. But I don't mind that. I really don't

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mind that. Now this is coming from a player's perspective.
From a player's perspective, I don't mind that. This is
why you know, players before us fought for the right
to have free agency and make and make those type
of decisions and choose your future. Um. And so you know,
I don't think it was wrong a bad thing. I
think it was entertaining. Um. You know, he uh, he

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deserves that right. I do think that. Um. You know,
I do understand. I guess where there there's some problem
with that, and um, but it's exciting. I mean, look,
him moving to l A is like it's a talk
of the town and talk of the summer. This year
with with the NBA, there's gonna be a lot of anticipation.
Now the West is wide open. Um. You know, players

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today they have a different sort of attitude about it.
They want to be more in control of their careers
and and and where they're gonna play and how long
they're gonna play. And as a player, and as someone
who's been been through that, you know, I can totally
respect that, and so I don't have an issue with that.
But grant, I'll say, this is my only issue. It's
a competition thing and I and I get that. I'm

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I'm for a free agency. Thank god Kurt Flood gave
up his baseball career for free agency for all athletes.
I get all that, So I'm not I'm not against it,
But when but when the same teams go to the
NBA Finals four years in a row, and which has
never happened, and it never happened more than twice, And
now you've got a chance of the Warriors going to

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the NBA Finals five years in a row, which hasn't
happened since the fifties and sixties with the Celtics. I
just from a from a fan standpoint of loves competition
and loves a balance. That's the only that's the only
reason I have an issue with it, because the competitive
balance in the league is not there. No, that's true.
I agree with you on that standpoint. From a from

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a competitive I mean, that should be better parody. And
you know, as as it relates, like I'm sitting right
now in the Atlanta Hawks offices here in Atlanta, and
you know, we obviously are going through a situation where
we are preparing for the future. Man, We've acquired assets
and we're getting younger. But you know, you have to
be realistic. Golden State, they have a lot of runway

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in front of them, and those guys will be good
for a long period of time. And it's tough. It's
tough when that's what you're shooting for a championship and uh,
and it almost seems like it's unfair in some respects,
but um, you know, it is. It is what it is.
I think I think they got some you know, first
of all, you have to give them credit. The core
of their team was built through the draft. Curry, play

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Thompson came on Green. So they showed that they can win,
uh and build a championship team through the draft. It
just so happened that new influx of money from the
television deal came along that summer when Kevin Durant was
a free agent. Because if it was any other summer,
there's no way Durant couldn't go into that situation. So
it's almost perfect timing for Durant and for that franchise.

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But you know, it is what it is. And I
totally understand where you're coming from and from a fans perspective,
and you always have great thoughts and opinions. Um, but
you know, it's it's it's we all have to deal
with it. And UM, I think it's pretty safe to
say that they'll have a pretty good chance of being
in the finals again next year. Grant, you know what
the biggest debate in the NBA is is Michael Jordan

(29:27):
versus Lebron James. You face both of them in in
their primes. It's a runaway stop it. So what's your what?
I mean, you can give us a unique perspective that
most people can't. What's your view on it? Is it
between those two too? Is it between those two? Are
we missing somebody? Kobe? Or I mean I put Kobe
in there too. I mean, you know, I think I

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go with Michael. Um. I think Lebron's great. It's a
great talent and um, you know obviously his physicality, his size,
his basketball intellect. Um, you the way that he can
so to fill up a stat sheet is just off
the charts. Um. But you know, I just feel like
in some of those moments where and certainly he was

(30:09):
great this this last year in the playoffs and the clutch,
but we've seen too many times throughout his career where Lebron,
you know, just sort of disappears that at those pressure
moments or doesn't want the ball, or you know, has
a Kyrie to sort of make plays for him. And
and you know that that that was never the situation
with Michael. Michael had the ball, Michael was relentless. Michael

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you know, didn't didn't you know, didn't disappear at times
in those moments. And I know it's unfair to judge
le Braun in that way because he's grown, He's well,
his last two years in the league, he's gotten better.
I mean his jump shooting, his his perimeter play, his
efficiency from the floor, like he is so much better.
And that comes from work in practice, which he's obviously

(30:51):
put in. But Michael was relentless, and and just like
I know it's subjective, but I gotta go with Mr
Jordan's Hey, Grant, congratulate lations again on the hall of Fame. Uh,
just so happy for you and your family, and uh
feel good, feel good that I got to watch some
of your career in Detroit and just uh thrilled for

(31:12):
you and your TV career. You're doing very well on
TV and uh, continue success. All right, I appreciate it. Roy,
appreciated Chris, thanks for having all right, Grant, thanks a lot,
and again congratulations. He's Rod Parker, I'm Chris Bruce. Sorry,
we're the I couple filling in for the Gottlieban. Now
let's go to Steve the Sager trending. Good afternoon, guys,

(31:34):
and good interview. And you know, I looked it up
NBA Draft. The top three were Glenn Robinson twenty points
a game, then Jason Kidd, then Grant Hill. Kid and
Hill were co rookies of the Year. That's right now,
the same Hall of Fame class next weekend as well.
How about this from the world of baseball. A homer
and extra innings and the Brewers now leading the eleventh

(31:56):
at Cincinnati Milwaukee head to head with the Reds has
home in twenty two consecutive games when played at Great
American Ball. That's incredible. Come on, it can't be right games,
it falls into yet another empty red seat at that
ball park. It's always it is, but it's usually thirty

(32:17):
five thousand empty red seats. And this is of course
a weekday day game. On top of that with a
non playoff Reds team yet again this year, and I
mean like the players Union cares about that, but twenty
two games in a row at that park that the
Brewers have homered off the Reads. This was Lorenzo Caine
top of the eleventh for a two one lead. There's
now one out in the bottom of the eleven. The
Brewers currently a game up for the last wild card

(32:40):
spot over Colorado. Arizona starts a four game series at
Dodger Stadium in l a tonight. The Diamondbacks are first
placed in the NL West, half game up on the
Rockies only one game over l a Is. The Dodgers
have won five straight. St. Louis will host Pittsburgh tonight.
Matt Carpenter of the Cardinals returns he left last night
due to illness. The NFL preseason ends tonight. New England

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has added money to tight end Rob Gronkowski's contract for
this year. The Rams restructured the contracts of two players,
according to ESPN, clearing space for a new deal with
Aaron Donald. Back to you, all right, it is the
odd couple filling in for Doug gott Leave on the
Doug gott Leaves Show. And Uh, I'm tempted Rob to

(33:23):
to go at you. Uh, and I'm gonna save that.
That's just a little tease. You're gonna see that. That's
just a little tease. Uh. You're lucky that we got
the two time NBA championship, Kevin Champion, Kevin Durant, just
through a hay make or somebody the two times two

(33:43):
time NBA champion just through a hay maker at Kevin Durant.
That's what I'm trying to get out. We'll tell you
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(34:29):
Let me just say this real quick. Grin Hill and
that story I told you how many big he was
a big time star. We'll get off a plane from
cross country Chris and come into a radio studio with
his wife and do a show for an hour. That
that's the kind of guy he He is one of
my favorite people, not athletes, just one of my favorite people.

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I'm so happy for him. No, he's class personified. As
I said when he we had him on the line.
I remember I did a big story on him, a
TV story. He has this tremendous African American art collection
and we did a story on the art collection. I mean,
you know, we all look at Lebron James and all
this great stuff he's done off the court and obviously

(35:14):
as a player. And I really meant I mean Graham Hill. Look,
he wasn't as good as Lebron James and Matview. I
don't know how you feel about but he was a
great player, especially comes out of college. He was one
of the best players know and he was phenomenal like
those years in Detroit, and I really mean it. He
never scored as much as Lebron. Lebron will give you
twenty seven a night, but Grant was giving you about

(35:36):
twenty one points, like nine rebounds and six or seven
assist the night. We hadn't seen a guy fill up
the box score like that in a long time, and
you know he had that. He was like that six
eight small forward who could bring the ball up, handle
the ball, run the offense when he needed to. Like
he really was tremendous. And of course, as you said,

(36:00):
he had the great image off the court. He was
all positive. So in in many ways, you know, he
was somewhat like Lebron James, you know, kind of a precursor.
And speaking of the similarities between Grant Hill and Lebron James, look,

(36:20):
I'm just dropping facts, man, and I want to see
how you weasel out of this. Ever since, sayce Lebron
James took his talents to South Beach, you have been
ripping him, and maybe even before, but for that moment
on you really have been ripping him for joining the
super Team, for starting this trend, for for spawning Kevin

(36:44):
Durant and you know all these other guys that are
going to super Team is trying to win. And you
said it yourself in the interview with Grant. If he
and Trade, if Granted stayed healthy and Tracy McGrady, they
both were in Orlando already. If Tim Duncan had gone
to Orlando and the three of them really wanted to

(37:04):
make it work, they would have been the first super
team put together kind of by players. How would you
have reacted to that? Would you have killed those guys?
You know what? Would you be as critical of them
as you were of Lebron and the rest of them?
That that's interesting and the only difference, and I think
at that point they were you know, well it was

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Jordan's still there, right, and who else was Jordan? What
was the year they ninety? No, it's two thousand, was Grants? Yeah,
so Jordan had retired yea. And it depends on what
would have happened there, But it would have been very
very interesting because those two as free agents, and you know,

(37:50):
Grant said it, they're the same agent, come together and
and and go and joined Tracy McGrady. Remember Tracy, I
think only got out of the first round one time
in his career right now, I don't think he ever
got out. He never got in the first round. Did
he never get out or never got out of one time?
I think one time. Yeah, hen't know if he played

(38:11):
that seriously, Yeah, but that was the only time. But
the other times he just couldn't get He couldn't get there.
And I don't know. Maybe if they would have won
a couple of championship would have been different. But but
there's no ring. Remember Duncan because he won one with
David Robertson right when he beat the Knicks, right, So
that would have been interesting. Yeah, it's just funny how

(38:34):
things happen. You know, this guy's he didn't answer all that,
all that gibberish. He didn't answer. Well, it would have
been critical. I would have been critical here. I do
think the difference is Lebron James has so many expectations

(38:56):
and Lebron James is considered one of the greatest of
all time, when Hill wasn't considered the Waits of all time. Yeah,
it's interesting, but um, all right, I'm glad I made
you squeamish a little bit, a little bit, a little bit,
but hey, it's game time. Okay time. This is game
time on the Doug Gottlieb Show, John Game today. Alright, guys,

(39:22):
in this ninety second game, we're going to we're gonna
give out the news item and you guess who we're
talking about item number one. This thirty four year old
pass rusher was a five time pro bowler. Led the
NFL in sacks for Denver almost a decade ago. Retired
today after twelve seasons in the NFL. Guess who, go

(39:45):
ahead and Rob guess who? I don't know who? He
had over a hundred career sex. Yeah. This two time
NBA champion retired from the NBA today after a fifteen
season career. David West. Yeah. In his first decade in

(40:10):
the league, mostly with New Orleans, he averaged about fifteen
points a game. This Milwaukee Brewers All Star outfielder last
night went six for six and hit for the cycle.
Yells right, yes, and that's six for six. That doesn't
happen too often in baseball. With the cycle with this

(40:31):
two time NBA champion, former New York Knicks said he
put an askaris next to Durance Dame on his list
of all time great players Frasier mo Man. And you
know what, the clothes that Walter were wearing, the stores
that he bought them from closed down fifteen or twenty
years ago. No good story. I think he buys his

(40:52):
stuff from upholsterry shops and then has a tailor out right.
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Then for our buddy Doug Got Leave on the Doug

(41:13):
Got Leave Show Fox Sports Radio, and uh we have
Dave Winstead in the longtime coach uh and college football
basket or college football analysts on Fox. Dave, Welcome to
the show. Uh, let's get right to it. Um Alabama,
they're pretty much the consensus number one, certainly a top

(41:34):
the AP and coaches pole, but we don't know who
they're starting quarterback is? Who should it be? And how
do you think Nick Sabans handled this situation? Well? You
know what, the interesting thing that I think is, you know,
up until a week before they started their fall camp.
There were quarterbacks and players transferred from every score around

(41:58):
the country. I mean, that's is the climate outer and
if you don't start, transfer goes somewhere else and try.
I mean, unless you lost two guys. So I start
off by giving Nick Saban some credit for keeping both
the quarterbacks and and obviously he uh, you know, wants
a better passer. The other one's a little better runner.

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I think that because it's Alabama and you're gonna win games,
and you're gonna have big enough lead that both these
guys are gonna play. So I think that, you know,
winning takes care of a lot of those internal problems
that a football team might have. They're gonna win games.
I think that both guys, you know, sooner or later

(42:39):
something's gonna happen. You hate to say that or think that,
but that's the way it plays out sometimes, and uh,
you know, at that point, the other one will get
his opportunity. So I think I think it's fun. I
don't have a problem with it right now. Let's see
how it unfolds. Hey, Dave, what about Michigan and Jim
habass He on the clock? I mean, people have been
disappointed because he hasn't been able to beat his rivals.

(43:02):
For the most part, Michigan State in uh in Ohio
state is they say he has a quarterback. Now, this
is what the talk is. Is this a year that
Michigan needs to win or get to the college Playoff? Well,
I I think you just sh hit it on the
head there. I think you know they supposedly have a
quarterback now. Now, obviously Shay Patterson, the guy we're talking about,

(43:23):
he was a highly recruited kid. Uh, he was a
good player at Old Miss. He has all the tools
to be a outstanding quarterback. You know what I want
to see? And we're gonna find out real quick because
when they when they play Notre Dame on Saturday, Notre
Dame has a top pen defense. Notre Dame has ten
guys coming back on the I'm sorry, nine guys coming

(43:45):
back on defense. So we're gonna find out real quick
how good a quarterback he is. And and if he's
everything that Jim hopes he will be and can be,
then then I think that everything's gonna be fine. If
he can't play, you know, it's it's there's gonna be
some serious pressure and you know everybody talks about Michigan,

(44:05):
Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State. I'll tell you the game
that we have it on Fox. The game that interests
me as much as any of you talk about a
pressure game is Michigan Michigan State. You know, because if
you're in Michigan, alum, you might be able to swallow
well Ohio State this or that. But you for sure,
heck believe that you're you should be a better football

(44:27):
program than Michigan State. And it hasn't been that way,
no doubt. And I want to ask a follow up
if if Hawa doesn't succeed, doesn't get to the College
Football Playoff or something, could you see him returning back
to the NFL as a as a coach and maybe
uh leaving his alma mater. Oh, I don't know that,
you know what I mean? I uh, you know, I

(44:49):
guess it's this. I mean, what do you have opportunities
to go and coach an NFL team? I'm sure he would,
you know, there was rumors this year that he could
have gone back, I don't know, through to Indianapolis. You know,
Andrew Luck was his quarterback at Stanford. Now you know
whether there's any truth to that, I don't know. But
the thing that I keep believing because Jim was successful

(45:11):
everywhere he's been and where they where they've struggled, is
not on defense and struggled on offense, which is really
his cup of tea. And uh so I just gotta
believe that he's gonna get it turned around and something,
and it's gonna get going here in the right direction
because he's his history at San Diego, at Stanford, and

(45:33):
it's at the forty niners. He's done it, you know,
So you got to give him credit, I think for
that and say, hey, his resume tells you that he
can get it done. Dave, you mentioned Ohio State. What
type of impact do you think the Urban Meyer situation
is going to have on that team on the field, Well,
it's gonna I don't know if it's gonna affect the

(45:54):
players as much as Urban really, you know, and and
maybe maybe the assistant coaches. I mean, as far as
the future, you know, we're gonna be here, We're not
gonna be here. The wives, their kids, it's usually coaches
and their families that get affected by things that happened,
whether it's wins and losses are off the field. Whenever
a program gets gets gets jolted, like Ohio State has.

(46:19):
They're usually the ones that feel with the players. You know,
they're playing the game. It's half that stuff. I mean,
it's they really unless somebody from the media asked them
about it, they really don't think about that. They're they're
excited about colleagues and what's going on in colleagues and
playing the games and trying to win the Big Ten.
So I think that Urban. You know, he's got a

(46:39):
solid enough staff. He's got a couple of ex head coaches,
a couple of top assistants, and I think he's got
enough guys there that can keep the shift going straight
through this, through this at birthday the best that they can.
I know, we're just getting ready started with college football.
But you have a prediction on who's gonna play out

(47:00):
bamaish for the championship. Well, you know my picks I have, Uh.
I think it's I think Clemson has the easiest route. Clemson,
that's the best defense in the country. I think their
schedule is very good, So I pick Clemson to win
it all. I like Alabama to get in because they've

(47:21):
got a good schedule. They do have to deal with Auburn.
Auburn beat him last year and Auburn's got him at
home this year. But you know, and and my other
two picks. While we're talking, I like Washington to get
into the pack twave, and I'm picking Wisconsin out of
the big tent. I think that it's their time. Dave.
I want to ask you something about the NFL. Obviously
where you were a long time coach, a lot of

(47:43):
talk about this helmet rule and just the maybe the
refs in the league trying to take a lot of
the physicality out of the game in general. What are
your thoughts about all this stuff we see happening with
the rules and talk about the NFL and and being
too physical and things like that. Well, it's all based

(48:03):
on trying to make it safer. So I think everybody
agrees with that, players, coaches, fans, everybody. You know, the
new helmet role from a defensive standpoint, and I kind
of agree with Bill Belichick. We've always we've never taught
tackling with your helmet, you know what I mean. So
when they say that on that that that's, you know,

(48:24):
a new role, it really is no different for a
defensive player. If you were teaching, see what your head
keep your head up. You know your head's coming across
you're wrapping up with the shoulder. I mean, but where
the change, I think, and no one's already talked about
it is I'm Anxico to see what they do on offense.
You know, I was in an NFL camp this summer
and the coaches were legitimate having a discussion, how are

(48:44):
we gonna send our fullback or tight end up there
as a lead blocker. You can't go. You're not gonna
block a linebacker in the NFL with your shoulders. You know,
you're gonna have to start off, you know, trying to
get your face in there, and and you know, and
I don't, and that's gonna be illegal. So I think
it could if they call it tight, which I don't
think they will, but if they wanted to, I think

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it could have as much to do with the offensive
blocking as the defensive tackling. Great great stuff, Dave. We
appreciate you, no doubt about it. You'll catch him off
season long on on college football on Fox where he'll
be bringing you the goods. So thanks a lot, Dave.
Have a good season. Okay, guys, good talking with you. Interesting. Yeah, yeah,

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what's the different take on it, isn't it? Yeah? About
the offensive player, Yeah, I've heard a few people talk about,
you know, when you're going for short yardage, even think
about quarterback sneaks. You know, they kind of lead with
their helmet. But yeah, I hadn't heard it about the
fullback blocking and anybody look at it that way. That

(49:54):
was that was very interesting. I thought he made an
excellent point about Nick Saban with the two quarterbacks, and
he's right. I mean, you have to give saving some
credit that not one of these guys is transferred Alabama. Yeah. Yeah,

(50:15):
but there there were rumors about Jalen Hurt, you know
that he might leave, and you know, maybe he you know,
who knows what will happened in the future. But I
you know, there's that cliche that when you have two quarterbacks,
you have none, and Dave Wanstead seemed to think that
both are gonna play, which is probably right. Um it'll
be I really want him to pick one and that's

(50:39):
not gonna happen. So you think they'll alternate maybe because
how they play, depending on how they play. But here's
my thing. I don't think you can, like, let's say,
to a starts and then it's a blowout, so Hurts
is playing in a lot of games. I don't think
you can do that. I think if he alternates him,
and we've seen it with a few other teams, it

(51:01):
may be by series, like maybe two of the first
series then Hurts or let me get too straight and
that and they're such different quarterbacks too. Yeah, I got
I don't know if you can do that. I'm with
you on that. But because we just got something from
the Orlando Sentinel, uh you cf after all the pomp

(51:22):
and circumstance is a national champion. According to the record
book released last week, the Nights are now listed with
Alabama as as a team that really the season number one?
I mean, can you buy? I know they were thirteen
and old and they beat all Burn in the Peach
Bowl or whatever, but do you really think that they

(51:44):
should be recognized with Alabama as a national champion? I
thought they should have gotten a shot to play. They're
not gonna get a shot for it. You don't think
they should have gotten a shot? No, not not Alabama, No,
not over Alabama, but they should have gotten a shot
to play for the national championship. I have to look

(52:06):
at your schedule, schedule B D one A what do
they call it? One A? Now whatever the you know
what I mean? But if your Division one and you
beat everybody you play, then you should be able to
play for the Division one championship. If you if you,
if if we want to poople the schedule and say

(52:27):
they don't play enough good teams, then they shouldn't be
D one. I get it, But I just you know,
the movers and shakers that that move college football, it's
about who travels. Well, it's a money thing. It's all money,
and they're not gonna put you CFN over some other
big time school from the Big ten or some some
school like that, you know what I mean, even though

(52:48):
they were undefeated and finished thirteen to know, and I get.
I get the small schools who feel like they can't
no matter what they do, they can't make headway. Well
they're proof of that. I get it. But they're living, breathing.
But I'm with you. I mean, no, I don't think
they should be recognized as a national champion. I thought

(53:10):
it was cute that they didn't recognize themselves. You know what,
I mean, I got that was fine and nice and dandy,
but no, they it was Alabama. I don't agree with
the way everything played out. I thought, you see, I
should have got a shot. My my opinion. I don't
want to go here. They just should have. They need
to explain the playoff. That's the bottom line. But well,

(53:31):
all I'm gonna tell you is defending college football National
champion You CEF kicks off week once late tonight at
seven pm against you CON. Yeah. Yeah, look you'll be
watching that game because you can't wait to see you
kin against UCF. Right. I like you CF. I do

(53:52):
like kf C. I'm more of a KFC guy. Speaking
of that, Hypocrisy is rampant in today's NFL. I'll explain
next and filling in for Doug Gottlieb and it's Chris
brus sorry and Roy Parker. We are the odd couple.
This is Bruno Mars right right, Brob, Bruno, you you're

(54:16):
a big Bruno Mars fan. My life is like a
huge Bruno Mars fan. I like I like this stuff. Definitely. Yeah,
he's good. He's good. I need your help man clean
up on all six. I don't I'm I'm I'm lost.
I made a mess. Yeah, this is what happened to

(54:43):
your name. But somebody knocked over a diet coke onto
the dash on the console. There you go, There you go.
I'm good. That's another that's another reason we're I we are.
I'm neat. That's Oscar Felix. That's a little your Felix
in this one. In this case, I guess I am.

(55:07):
But speaking of a mess robe, Look, Jerry Jones says
something recently that I think is a mex Check this out.
It's real simple. It's cut back on preseason games. Have
one at each team's home, play a couple of them,
and then you need to add two games to the
regular season, which I've been a proponent of for several years.

(55:30):
It's probably physically better for players than it is to
have the longer preseason, the longer practicing. Our studies show
that we actually have a ramped up injury situation with
players during preseason. Look, I haven't done a study on
it like the Cowboys and Jerry Jones have, but rib

(55:52):
anytime I hear eighteen games and eighteen game regular season,
the word that comes to my mind is hypocrisy. Because
all we hear about is players safety. Players safety. Can't
hit this way, you can't do this, can't do that.
As players safety, We're concerned about the health of the players,
and once you start talking about expanding the regular season,

(56:17):
you've lost me. You don't give a darn about players safety.
It's like if I was running boxing and all I
talked about was players safety or boxer safety and how
dangerous the sport was, and then I said, you know what,
instead of fighting twelve rounds, they should fight twenty rounds.

(56:38):
I mean, why in the world would you expand the
regular season a sport that's dangerous. We always losing players
before the playoffs start. As it is, every time they
step on the field, they are literally putting their lives,
are certainly their health at risk. And you want to
play two more games. I just for Jaredy keep a

(57:00):
straight face and tell people that the chances of injury
would be less where more games makes no sense, especially
because in the playoffs people don't I mean, in the preseason,
people don't go at it the same way, and yes,
injury don't even play a lot of them are They
play a series of two Chris and they come out
so you're not getting stars hurt to play two more games.

(57:23):
Jerry just sees dollar signs. That's that's what the two
more games would do. It's about it's about money. You
remember the preseason or what local television, right local they
don't make nearly as much money as if they can
talk to Fox or CBS or or ESPN or whatever

(57:45):
and and try to squeeze out more money for two
more regular season games. The whole, the whole thing is
about money. The rule changes are about money. It's not
about the player's safety. All they want to do is
per tech themselves so if they get sued again by
some retire players or players, they can say, hey, we

(58:09):
made the changes, We've made the game safer and avoid
paying there's no millions. I know that that's their ultimate
because you've brought it up before, and I agree with you.
If you're so concerned about the safety of the players,
increased for lifetime healthcare, Nope, they won't do it. That's

(58:30):
what you get it. You get it in baseball. You
know if you play can be done, it can be
done and financed. Okay, so don't tell me baseball can
do it and and you can't do it. Okay, because
you can if you want to the Baseball Union, if
you played ten years, Chris, right, you get lifetime healthcare.

(58:50):
And the story tremendous. And that's what you Look, I
have no problem with the baseball players getting that. But
it's obviously not nearly as physical and dangerous as football. No,
but they get taken care of. And that's the way
it should be for sport that makes so much money.
Why shouldn't they get taken care of? Well, what it
leads to, rob And you've talked about this before and

(59:10):
and I look, I hate to say it because you know,
I don't dislike the people running it, but the NFL
players Union, it's a joke. Laugh, it is a joke.
You've got the most dangerous game, You've got the wealthiest games.
They're making all the money handle with this and you you,

(59:31):
you refuse to stand up and fight for what you
should have. How does all the other three leagues all
have guaranteed contracts? And you don't just tell me. Hockey
has guaranteed contract, Baseball is guaranteed contract, NBA has guaranteed contract.
Now if all sports football should have even if they're

(59:51):
less year like a three year guaranteed, like like Kirk
Cousins has right three years guarantee. That's what a real contract.
And then after three years, if you're good, you could
go and get another one for more money. And if
you're bad, they could decide to release you, not resign you,
ask you to take a pay cup. It should be guaranteed,

(01:00:13):
no question, no question. I mean, I mean, they they
gotta get it together because they are being ripped, you know,
left right middle, from no guaranteed contracts to you know that.
I mean, the league doesn't even consult them when they
make the anthem change. Now they're talking about, you know,

(01:00:33):
but you could go on and on of how the NBA,
union baseball they all do so much, such a better
job than the NFL. I mean, Odell Beckham just got
a great deal for him, but what was he like
sixty five million years? I mean NBA players, that's like
a middle rung reserve. You know, in the NBA, it's

(01:00:57):
the same thing. As much as Aaron Dreer's just got
a hundred and three You have about I don't know,
almost ten baseball players eight baseball player who make three
hundred millions. Think about that and a hundred I mean,
Kevin Love just signed I think what a hundred thirty
million dollar extension or a hundred twenty something like that.
And yeah, I mean he's a pretty good player, he's

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you know, all Star. But Aaron Rodgers the highest paid
player ever. He's got a hundred three and uh, Gian
Carlos standing with the Yankees makes over three hundred you know,
three hundred million. Miguel Cabra makes three hundred million with
the Tigers. There's a there's a list of people making
way way, way more. And don't forget, uh, Bryce Harper

(01:01:41):
is gonna be a free agent and he's gonna get paid.
He's gonna get at least three hundred million too. Yeah,
And but like I said, um, the players, they gotta
get it together. Kevin Love just talked told my ear
one d twenty million dollar extensions. So still there you
have it compared to the NFL. But yeah, I look,

(01:02:02):
and I didn't play in football at a high level,
played in high school, but I know enough to know
just from that it is a dangerous, painful sport. And
to try. And Jerry Jones played at something wait college,
played college? Well, I think him and Jimmy Jimmy Johnson

(01:02:23):
were that's right, that's right. There's a reason that at
one point what the NFL played nine games used to
be twelve. Dudes to be twelve, but I thought at
one point it was even fewer, but even twelve. But
I remember twelve as a kid. Yeah, Jim Brown, most
of the seasons were twelve, not all of them. O. J.

(01:02:44):
Simpson had some fourteen game seasons when he broke the
Russian record and all that. Now it's sixteen. Um, there's
a reason the game is taxing college plays. What now thirteen?
They keep inching that up. But to put eighteen games on,
I mean, we already just hoping pray that the best

(01:03:07):
players are healthy for the playoffs, and now you want
to throw two more regular season games when I just,
I mean, this topic really rised me up, robbed because again,
one thing I dislike is hypocrisy, and that's just what
this reeks of hypocrisy, no doubt about it. And I

(01:03:29):
just I don't know. One day and you know, Uh,
Tony Gonzalez came out and ripped did you see that?
Ripped the markets? Uh Smith, I'm sorry, yeah, that that
he shouldn't be the head of the union because he
didn't play football. So that was very interesting. And I
don't know where this new you know deals come in

(01:03:51):
and they're gonna be a cool because they just didn't.
They just signed Smith to a new Uh. He was
just re elected. Uh, I'll produce a give us Rob.
I think he just got signed like a year ago
to an extension. Right then you get a new deal.
He was reelected, and I think it was unanimously, if

(01:04:12):
I remember correct, nimously. They get hammered left and right,
as you said, baseball's got the lifetime if you played
ten years, lifetime health. If anybody should have it, it
should be football players. And and look, we're talking about
the epitome rob of greed. We're not talking about a

(01:04:35):
league that's struggling. They could play the pay the players
healthcare and still half tons of money. What is good
down Roger Goodewn, the commissioner made million a Year's not
saying it's a tough job, and it ain't, you know what,
It ain't as tough as playing. It ain't as tough

(01:04:59):
as playing. And he's making that and plenty of people
are getting paid and that's fine, that's finely getting paid.
But be do the right thing, or stop trying to
come off at such moralists, and that you care so
much about the players, do the right thing and take
care of the players health lives because at the end

(01:05:19):
of the day, it would help you. You could take
care of the players long term with better health care
when they retire, and guess what, then you wouldn't have
to change the game. Then then you can say it's
dangerous and if you get hurt, hey, you know, you
know what you signed up for. But this is what
it is. This is football, and you you gotta play

(01:05:42):
it the way it is. I just, you know, it
just bothers me, man, I get upset about it. I
get up saying there's nothing I understand because the NFL
shouldn't be in this boat because of all the money
it makes it just right right well, speaking of being
in a boat, I keep saying, speaking of there's so
many like Segues that had just come into me. Daz

(01:06:05):
Bryant right, he won't be playing in the NFL anytime soon.
And it's all because Rob he lacks a trade that
every successful athlete has to have. In fact, I think
every person successful person should have it. I'll explain that next,
but first let's bringing our man Steve to say, you're
to find out what is trendy. Hey, guys, you brought

(01:06:26):
up the comment from Tony Gonzalez on FS one that
the union executive should be somebody who played in the NFL.
That is ludicrous. Baseball for decades had ahead of the
union who was not even close to being a ballplayer,
and they be Cam Marvin Miller and they have the
best union by far, the best labor union in the country,

(01:06:47):
forget the best sports union. Exactly did she play in
the NBA? Don't know, I don't remember her. It's like saying, oh,
you have to be a you know, a winner in
your football career to be a good football analyst. Really so,
Joe Montana was the best on those pregame shows. He was.

(01:07:08):
NFL preseason ends tonight, with all thirty two teams playing.
The deadline for roster cuts is Saturday afternoon. The Bucks
have reached an injury settlement with running back Charles Simms.
New England added money to tight end Rob Gronkowski's contract
this year. He could make about thirteen million dollars this season.
The Rams restructured the contracts of two players according to ESPN,

(01:07:29):
clearing space for a new deal with Aaron Donald. Linebacker
Elvis Dumerville retired. David West retired from the NBA. Maria
Sharapova plays the second round match at the US Open
tonight today, advancing was number five seed on the ladies side.
Petrick CAVITEBA the p G, a playoff event starts tomorrow
outside Boston. Two day games in Major League Baseball Milwaukee

(01:07:51):
on an eleventh inning homer from Lorenzo Caine won two
to one at Cincinnati. Cleveland beat Minnesota five to three.
Jason Kipness a three run homer in the sixth. Houston
Justin Verlander hosts the Angels tonight. Houston has formerly extended
manager A J. Hinches contract through two He won the
World Series last year. Back to you all right, thanks Steve.

(01:08:11):
It is the odd couple. Chris brus Arry Rod Parker
filling in for the great Doug gott Leave here on
Fox Sports and uh Rob. One thing that I think
is very important in life is knowing who you are right,
knowing who you are right right right. And des Bryant,

(01:08:36):
he is sitting on the sidelines, not knowing where his
next paycheck is going to come from. Because he lacks
that trait. He doesn't know who he is. He thought
he was still a star, He thought he was still
a number one receiver. So when the Baltimore Ravens offered

(01:08:56):
him a three year, twenty one million dollar deal, he
turned earned it down because he didn't know that rather
than being a number one receiver, he's more like a
number three or four receiver. And and the reason I
brought this topic up is I want to contrast Desk
with Nick Foles now. A lot of people looking at

(01:09:18):
Nick Foles now and saying Nick Foles, he's like a joke.
He's not that good. He's stumbling around in the end zone,
fumbling the ball, throwing interceptions in the preseason and all that.
But I contend that knows exactly who he is. So
in the offseason, when all these teams were willing to

(01:09:38):
trade for him, and everybody was saying, oh, Foals should
go here, folks should go there. Shouldn't he go somewhere
and be a starter and see what he can do,
nick Foles said, Nah, I'm good, I'm good being the backup.
I'm cool, I'm fine making seven million dollars a year.
I'm fine as the backup. Why because Nick Folds knows

(01:10:04):
who he is. Nick Folds knows in the deep recesses
of his mind, I don't want the pressure. I don't
want the pressure to perform every game. I don't want
the pressure of being a starter. I don't want that.
I don't. I don't. I don't play my best when
expectations are high. You know, when I play my best

(01:10:28):
when nobody expects anything, when anything I give him is gravy.
When our starter gets hurt, now everybody's like, oh, they're done.
That's when I play my best, when it's icing on
the cake. When I go into a Super Bowl against
the best quarterback ever and everybody thinks I'm gonna get waxed,
no pressure whatsoever on me to win or perform. Well,

(01:10:53):
that's when I'm at my best and I can actually
play like a star. Then, but expect something of me.
Put it on me to go out there and throw
for three hundred yards and three touchdowns every Sunday. Nah,
I'm good. I'm good in this backup role. And we
might laugh at him and like mock him all he

(01:11:14):
don't have the testicular fortitude or whatever, but he knows
who he is, and he's in a better position than
Das Bryant, no doubt about it. You do. You have
to know your limitations, know where you fit in. Try
to tell people that that. That's why I really think
the Eagles have a shot at repeating or at least

(01:11:37):
getting back to the super Bowl because they'll have the
guy Carson wentz back who was going to be the
m v P before he got hurt. Chris have something
to play for. If you were hoping that Nick Bowls
was going to repeat what he did last year, you're
being for rude awakening. There's a reason he was the
backup quarterback, do you know? Do you know what I mean?

(01:11:59):
And look, I was one of those saying, man, fools
should go somewhere and start, you know, But he knew
who he was. He knew who he was, and the
dead Bryant thing is just it's comical and sad from
the standpoint of I think he's just waiting around for

(01:12:19):
somebody to get hurt, because you know, in the NFL,
the receiver's gonna get hurt, but people have gotten hurt.
I get it. Can you think he's just because I
think he and his agent have put out there, you know,
and at least in the last few weeks that there
were teams interested, wasn't there was something about that the
report out there that there were a lot of teams interested,
or some teams at least you think they just lying in.

(01:12:40):
I think there were some teams because, like you just said,
guys are getting hurt. Your people need depth, and you
know you might not be the the number one guy, right,
but but it doesn't mean waiting for it. I don't know,
I don't get it. Uh. I thought when he went
to Cleveland that he would come back with a deal.
I really did, because I pointed out undisputed with Skip

(01:13:01):
and Shannon that he was a threat in the red
zone last year. Oh yeah, I think he was number
one actually where targets in the red zone yep, so,
and Cleveland was at the bottom third or you know,
as far as the red zone. So it was a fit.
It could have worked out. And that's why I thought

(01:13:22):
he really was gonna go there. And that didn't happen.
Then Josh Gordon came back right and then and then
o'deal was done right right. Well, look there's another player
I can throw into this boat and We don't know.
We don't know if he's more like Folds or more
like Dazz. He looks more like Dazz right now, that's
Carmelo Anthony. Now he's got a contract to two two

(01:13:44):
point nine million, two point five million, whatever it was
from the Houston Rockets. But I think Mellow is in
the same boat. Like know who you are, Mellow, You're
in your sixteenth year. You're not a superstar anymore. If
you go to Houston thinking you're you're the third cog

(01:14:04):
in another big three, you're sorely mistaken. Your feelings are
gonna get hurt when you're sitting on the bench for
several games at crunch time. Your feelings are gonna get
hurt when you're not getting all the looks that you
want to get. But you know what, it's funny that
you bring this up, and it's totally different because you know,

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Grant suffered some injuries, but as big of a star
as he was, Grant prolonged and he said it, he
played until forty because he was willing to go on
the bench. He could have tried to go on a
bad team to be, you know, a star on like
a bad team, and he didn't do that. He went
to the bench and came off the bench. You have
to put your ego aside sometimes, and I'm with you,

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I don't even see how it really works in Houston.
It's kind of surprising. Like I guess for two point nine,
they just want to name you know what I mean
for two point nine because yeah, I I just and
you brought up Grant Hill. That's a good example. Grant understood, Okay,
I'm not what I used to be. Even though remember

(01:15:08):
he came back and made an All Star team. Believe
he was in Orlando that he made went All Star team,
average almost twenty points a game, so he could have
easily been thinking, oh, I'm back to the old Grant Hill.
But he had the you know, knowledge, the wisdom to understand, no,
I'm not what I used to be. I'm now basically

(01:15:30):
a role player. Let me accept that. And the easy
thing for Carmelow, in my view, is that Mellow, nobody
if you come off the bitch or start or whatever
and average twelve points a game, nobody's gonna say, oh,
look at Mellow, he's he's terrible. Now he's not. We
your career. It to me, it doesn't change his career

(01:15:51):
one bit. He's going to be a Hall of Famer.
He was an all time great score. I'm not saying
his top twenty anything like that, but he was a
legitimate Hall of Fame player and nothing from this point
forward is gonna change that. So it's not like people
are gonna look down at him if he becomes a
role player at this stage in his career. And that

(01:16:12):
championship run uh at Syracuse was as good as he gets.
I don't think you could play better than that. He wastastic.
I mean they were legitimate. Obviously, most people thought Lebron
was better and going to be better, but there was
legitimate you know, Mello was right there in that draft, right,

(01:16:33):
he was right there with Lebron James, and so you know,
I would just say to mellow man, you gotta know
who you are. Look at des Bryant on the sidelines
because he doesn't know who he is, and Nick Folds
making good money. Once once gets back, he'll be able
to go back in his comfort zone and just be
the backup because he knows who he is. All right,

(01:16:56):
Our friend Nick, right, our Fox Sports one colleague, had
a very interesting take Rob on Khalil Max ongoing hold out,
you'll hear what he said and our reaction. Next, it's
the Eye Couple Infra Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio.
It is indeed the Doug gott Leaves Show, but it's
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(01:17:19):
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(01:17:43):
our buddy, our colleague here at FS one, Nick Wright,
had some very interesting things to say about the Khalil
Max situation with the Raiders. And uh, well, let's hear
what Nick said in a little gay aim that we
like to call and now what say, I'm gonna put

(01:18:06):
an unfair burden on Khalil Mack on this because you
it's business, you have a short career, You are only
responsible for yourself. But I hope Khalil Mack recognizes that
he is now no longer just fighting for himself. He
is fighting for every future potential All pro who's in
the fifth year option as a first round pick at

(01:18:28):
making the teams do what the entire new cb A
was set up to do pay established players. The fifth
year option was not supposed to be hostage taking every
other pick in the draft is on a four year
contract or less. First round picks are on four year
contracts with this fifth year option. That was not supposed
to be a penalty for the great players. That was

(01:18:49):
supposed to be a if it's a Jeneveon Clowney situation, Man,
we want to keep you. You've been hurt, We've seen
good and bad. Let's let's have one more tryout year.
If Mac relents and all of a sudden shows up,
if he plays for this contract, then every other player
whose team wants to do this to them that is
a superstar going in their fifth year option, they're gonna

(01:19:11):
be able to say, man, you're not better than Kleil
mac rob strong words from Nick and I get where
he's coming from, but I'm not gonna put all that
responsibility to a Khalil Mack. If he wants to come
back and play, and I know he doesn't. But if
he relents, as as to use Nick's word, look, dude's
gotta make money. It's a short career, as we all know.

(01:19:35):
In the NFL. It's kind of what Aaron Donald did
last year. He relented and he got paid. So look,
more power to Khalil if he sits out. I don't
like the way the Raiders are handling him, so I'm
with him, but I'm not gonna put it on him.
To me again, this goes down to what we were
saying before. This is the collective bargaining agreement. I understand

(01:19:56):
Nick saying that the spirit of the deal was as
it was, but the fact is there. The deal enables
the teams to do this. So now I'm not gonna
put all that pressure on Khalil mac to represent all
the players. I'm gonna put it on did Morris Smith
and the rest of the players union that has been
getting smacked around by the NFL for decades, no doubt.

(01:20:20):
Uh that's the problem. Uh, the union hasn't looked out
even when this union agreed. You remember when the quarterbacks
at the top of the draft us to get bit
paid and they went from I think I want to say,
Matthew Stafford got a hundred something million dollars and the
next year um Cam Newton got twenty three like like,

(01:20:43):
the players agreed and signed off and they thought, well,
that other money, right, it's gonna trickle down to us.
Good luck, it didn't trickle down. They're still cutting veterans
and not paying them. Do you know what I'm saying,
Why why would you accept the deal that took money
away from players that's not don't be met at the player.

(01:21:05):
I just know I don't remember in the NBA, like now,
we got the rookie scale. I don't like remember before that,
but a lot of veteran players were getting wanted the
rookie scale because rookies who hadn't done anything, we're coming
into the league and getting contracts bigger than like perennial
All Stars. So I got that, but I don't know

(01:21:26):
if that had a role in the NFL situation. It did,
and I think that they get the players to be
against each other, and I think it's a mistake. Players
would always stick together. Yeah, and you can't give that
many years in the NFL when it's such a dangerous
and short term sport as it is, We'll have more.
Chris Bruzan and Rod Parker. We are the I couple
filling in for the great Doug got Leave here on

(01:21:47):
the Doug got Leave Show on Fox Sports. Make sure
you check out University of Central Florida tonight kicking off
the college football season against you can who you got that?
That game? Rap? Oh you come? Women are playing tonight?
Is that is it? Oh? Not basketball? Oh? Football? Football? Man,

(01:22:12):
I'm going with the national champs. They let's go with
the national champs and people and Alabama just rolled off
the road. They just crash. They're like what Look, I
don't want them. I don't want to call them the
national champs c UCF. I thought it was cute that

(01:22:32):
they called themselves and that was nice, but no, you're
not the national champs. And then they jumped around like
get celebrated or whatever. I mean, well, I get it.
I mean I don't like the way they were kind
of played. You know, they I think they should have
got a shot to compete for the national championship. But

(01:22:53):
since you didn't, it just is what it is. You know,
all the teams, you know, remember when they used to
have a mythical now national champ before they you know
started playing you know, playoff games in college football. Nobody
else is saying we were. We were as good as
Alabama under Bear Bryant. We were the champs to right.
None of the record books put teams like that in.

(01:23:15):
So I'm sorry, you're not the national champions, You're just UCF.
But they play tonight, so uh, you want to check
that out. Definitely a great kickoff to college football. But Rob,
we got some breaking news and I'm excited about it.
I really am, basically uh. And arbitrator denied the NFL's

(01:23:39):
request to dismiss Colin Kaepernick's collusion complaint, and that complaint
will go to trial. I love it. Settlement time. They
better get They better get a settlement going because they're
going to get their clocks clean. Everybody knows that they
it's been orchestrated by the league. Again, they got together.

(01:24:01):
Whether they have the paperwork or not. There's no reason
why that guy shouldn't have a job in the NFL.
And I'm glad that the court is agreeing with his
lawyers and saying there's a case. He has a case.
Here's no doubt there's a case. There's a case, and
they wanted dismissed. And no, there's no lub uh, there's

(01:24:21):
no evidence of it. Dude. Stop, we know what's happened.
It's retribution. They they they they have black baldom from
playing because of the whole anthem thing. And you know what,
I hope they pay dearly. I hope they pay dealing
with you because to do that is wrong. It's just wrong. Right.
The only question is whether or not they the owners

(01:24:44):
actually kind of got together, if you will, whether it
was a call or you know, a meeting or just
text or whatever, getting words each other that we're not
don't sign him. They or it was the informal right,
an informal black they've blackballed in one way or the other.
There's no doubt, there's no doubt. And you're right, there

(01:25:06):
was a difference. I don't know if you remember this, Chris,
because you're little younger than me, but when when baseball
owners got caught for consion, for conclusion, they actually had
the nerve to put together a memo saying, don't sign
these players with the name of them something something on paper.
So those players, uh, you know, God, not only did
they get Did they get paid? They got paid. They

(01:25:29):
got paid from the collusion thing. And then they were
signed to free agent deals. You know, then then they
started getting signed what Baseball had. Actually, the owners were
so dumb they actually wrote a memo saying, don't sign
these players. That shows you how cocky they were. You
know that they were sure that they were right. Look,
I remember when Colin Kaepernick took his stance, so to speak,

(01:25:54):
um during the national anthem. I felt robbed that he
was being even more courageous than most people thought. And
and my reason was because he was just backup at
that point. He was a second stringer and they could
have cut him. The forty Niners could have cut him

(01:26:15):
a week or two into his protest, if you will, uh,
And nobody really really thought twice because he was a
backup at that point. Nobody thought he could play anymore. Um,
so he was expendable. And I felt if he was
a superstar doing that, then yeah, it's courageous, but you

(01:26:37):
also know that you can't be replaced, right Russell Wilson
does that? Believe me? He's still gonna be in the league.
You know, Andrew Luck or some great player Aaron Rodgers
does that they're still in the league. The fact that
Kaepernick was a backup, expendable nobody thought he could play.
That made it more courageous to me because I knew, listen,

(01:26:59):
this could cost this guy his career. I'm glad that
the arbitrator, though, said, you know, we we're gonna turn
the tables on this, and we're not. You know, hopefully
they're not gonna allow the owners to do this to
a guy just because he is voicing his opinion. He
is protesting, which we all have the right to do

(01:27:20):
here in America. You should be able to get a
job no matter what your feelings are. Absolutely, and um,
you know, the NFL is wrong. We always knew it
was wrong. The union should have backed him a little stronger.
Whether you agree or disagree, you should never let things
happen to your players to to to the people of

(01:27:41):
your union, do you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
this is one case, I mean I think I'm right
on this is one case that it's somewhat could be
out of the union's hands. No, I'm just you know,
like like they couldn't. I mean, if the owners say, look,
we're not gonna sign the guy. I think this is
a this is a case for the court. No, I

(01:28:03):
get I get that, But there's other stuff you can
do to not allow ownership, to give them a message
that we know what you're doing and we're not going
to accept it, is what I'm saying. And and I'll
just give you the perfect example of the Baseball Union
knew that they were gonna get locked out the when
they struck right before the World Series, right they knew

(01:28:25):
they were gonna get locked out. They knew it. So
what they said was, we're not going to allow you
to lock us out. We walk out exactly and cancel
the World Series and damage the game. And they did
what they had to do. But I'm just saying I'm
not saying that they had to cancel the NFL season
or whatever. But I'm just saying the union has to

(01:28:45):
be involved when players are not treated properly, because you
can't look at it's not about Kaepernick, it's about any player,
you know what I'm saying, Because if they could do
it to him, doesn't mean that they can't do it
to anybody. If you allow it to happen. No, And
and look, there's nobody who can deny that Colin Kaepernick
should be in the NFL. And and not just kaepern

(01:29:08):
how about Eric Reid another guy right right? I mean
he's playing really good football, So you know this is
all because of his stands. I mean, you look at somebody.
I won't even argue he should just be in the league.
I think he can start on some teams, no doubt
about him, you know. And so I I hope that,
you know, I'd love to see him back in the league. Uh.

(01:29:30):
And I hope that he gets paid because he shouldn't
have to lose his livelihood over over any like personal
feelings he has. He's not breaking the law, he's not
being disruptive, and and let's just he's not making other
people do it or follow his lead. No, that wasn't

(01:29:51):
even his intention, not at all. He didn't. I don't
think Colin Kaepernick one was looking to start this, you know, this,
this mass league wide protest number one number two. I
don't even think he was trying to draw attention to himself.
He was just saying, in my heart of hearts, what

(01:30:11):
I see happening to these unarmed black men, I don't
feel right, you know, standing for the anthem right now
because of the way these fellow American citizens are being treated.
And so he just sat down. He didn't go tell reporters.
In fact, I think it was this after two weeks
he had done it that finally a reporter just asked him, Hey,

(01:30:35):
I know you weren't you know, standing for the national anthem?
So um, look and and and Rob, let's just cut
to the chase regard. Anybody has to admit this. I
don't care if you hate Colin Kaepernick and you you
hate the stands he's taken. If we all really look
at the crux of the issue, Colin Kaepernick is taking

(01:30:59):
us and for people who are less fortunate than him.
No doubt body is taking a stand for victims who
can't agree with that. And unfortunately, the way this thing
works is so many people have to give up to
get changes in the world. You you there's a sacrifice

(01:31:20):
that's involved, you know what I mean? And I think
you're right. He knew that there was a chance that
they could could hurt his career, but he felt so
strongly about it that he's still took that. It's it's admirable.
It's admirable when people are willing to give up their
lifestyle and their and and their career to do what's right.

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If we all did that, things would be a lot better,
if we were just willing to fight for what's right right,
And and you know, there have been people that have
compared him to Muhammed Ali. You know, we'll see. I know,
you know, Ali obviously is on such a pedestal, but
but it wasn't at the time. Though he wasn't at
the time. And in this respect, as you said, Kaepernick

(01:32:03):
was willing to give up the career that he had
worked his whole life for. And people forget Muhammed Ali.
And I think one of the things that makes him
so great is when he protested the Vietnam War, wouldn't
go and had his championships stripped from him for three years.
Ali did not know, Okay, in three years, I'm gonna

(01:32:25):
come back. As far as he knew, number one, he
might go to jail. Number two, as far as he knew,
he was never gonna get another shot at the heavyweight crown,
and he was willing to give it up. That's what
I'm saying. Uh, you don't know, but you do what's
in your heart and your gut and you follow your

(01:32:45):
your your heart, and sometimes that that's gonna get in
the way of some of the things you're doing. And
most people don't have the fortitude to do it, Chris,
they don't, but they're strong and and um courageous people
that change the world. Happens all the time. Somebody could
have told Rosa Parks, oh, just get up and get

(01:33:06):
to the back and you know what I mean, and
piped out and just come on, do you know what
I mean? Right right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no question. And
like I said, I would just like all people listening,
American citizens listening, to just consider this because obviously there's
a lot of people out there that disagree with Colin Capernan,
and there are a lot of people agree with him, right,

(01:33:28):
but but again, he is standing up for victims. He
standing up for fellow American citizens who have been victimized.
Regardless of how you feel about the situations, they were victimized.
We all have seen that, and he is taking a
stand for them. Again. Who can't agree and respect that,

(01:33:52):
Who can't agree with that, and who can't respect that?
You have to respect what he's doing. Very courageous, no,
no courageous. His whole. His legacy will change, you know,
when it's all said and done and written, and we'll
see how all uh uh finishes up. But but there
will be uh money. He will get paid millions of

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dollars and I hope he gets another contract within the
NFL team. And it could have been settled a long
time ago if they just gave that guy an opportunity
to earn his way. This this is what this sports
is supposed to be, Chris, that thing where it's equal
playing field for everybody and whoever is the best player
should just get the job and get to play. That's
what made sports. That's why a lot of African Americans

(01:34:39):
get involved like that, because you know, like where maybe
in other situations we were we didn't have a chance
at getting certain jobs if we could play well enough, right,
there was an opportunity for us. Sports is objective. Yes,
when you get him on the track, who's the fastest
is obvious. You get him in the boxing ring, who's
the best is obvious. It's really easy or you can

(01:35:00):
to do is figure out not subjective. The United States
is uh seventy white in the NBA plot right, because
it would if it wasn't about just about your ability.
That wouldn't the league mirror what the population would be. Yeah,
it wouldn't look like it does. Well, let's let's talk
about next. The quarterback who's not hurting from money. He's

(01:35:21):
worth every penny. I'm talking about Aaron Rodgers, but his
new deal might actually hurt the Packers super Bowl chances
in the long run. That's next. It's the hide couple
in for Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio The Doug
gott Leave Show. But it is Chris Bruce Art and
Rod Parker, the odd couple filling in for our friend

(01:35:43):
Doug Gottlieb hear on Fox Sports Radio, and Rob were
favorite players both of us. Aaron Rodgers Jess got paid.
Remember that song Just Alight Night. I was still I
was in college when that came out. I think you

(01:36:03):
were deep into your career. I'm not that much. I'm
not that much older than I was probably covering the
Knicks or the Nets. I was probably in New York.
What year was that? After think I'm right, check this out.
I bet you nineteen eighty eight. I was covering the Nets.

(01:36:29):
I was graduating from Columbia. I remember, I bet Rob
check that Rob G. That's producing. Just think because I
was a sophomore in college, because that's the year I
remember I first started dating my wife, and it was

(01:36:49):
that was she had a chance to up skate and
somehow you you hooked her. Right, Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yuh.
I was able to guy ratification. Okay, the says here.
The album came out eight six, the song the single though,

(01:37:12):
yeah here you go. Apology you sorry all right there
in the apology except you remember I don't even think
Rob G was born? No, rob when were you born?
I was born in August of eight, So no I
missed that. He wasn't he wasn't born. Now I remember
when you know this was man, this was the jam
rob I wish the listeners could see me right now.

(01:37:33):
I'm cutting some Michael Jackson steps up in here Friday night.
Oh no, no, don't say here you go. But that
was a great song. But do you know what Aaron
Rodger and he deserves it all. I mean, it's four years,
hundred and thirty four million dollars, Chris. I think it's
a hundred and three million guaranteed. And I've said this

(01:37:58):
and it's not a bron Man's It's just that Aaron
Rodgers is the best quarterback I've ever seen. That's not
to sit it there on other great quarterbacks, but he's
the best I've ever seen. And he's one of the guys.
I can't come up with a lot of guys who
I would pay my hard earned money to go watch,

(01:38:20):
you know what I mean, like not just watch on TV.
If Aaron Rodgers was playing in Los Angeles, I'd be
willing to buy a ticket to watch him quarterback. He's
that guy. He's phenomenon. And we talked earlier when we
brought this up. You know, we both want to see
him win at least one more Super Bowl. I would
like to see him win a few more so that

(01:38:41):
he really could get in that goat conversation. He needs
to win one more for his legacy. You gotta win,
but even one more. No, but if he one more,
there's one more in your view, because the goat conversation
is Brady and Montana. No, no, no, I got it.
There's one more if he gets too but he has
that put Rogers in there, well, he would be in

(01:39:02):
the conversation. Only from this standpoint, he's two and on
in the championship, right, so they're never lost. Then he
has the highest quarterback rating of any quarterback, so he
has something to hold on too. And he has the
bus best touchdown to interception ratio. He has records and
stats and do you know what I mean, the second

(01:39:25):
takes three Yeah, no, I get that. For the for
you to say he's to go without question, all I'm
saying is he could be in that conversation when you
put everything on the table, he could be in that conversation. Yeah.
One of the reasons I want to see him get
to and and I think most people would admit he's
better than Brett Farve, but I always thought, I mean

(01:39:49):
I remember like his first few years of starting, and
I was like, man, this dude is better than Brett
Farve was as great as Farve was, and he's you know,
legiti him, hall of Fame. Re deserves all that legend,
people love him icon, he deserved all that. But I
was I remember saying, Aaron Rodgers is better for three

(01:40:13):
and a half years or you know what I mean
three years? Yeah, and you know, and I got it
because Farve was still great at that point. But he
is a better quarterback than Farve and and he I
think he needs that second ring for people to finally,
most people to finally just say you know what, Yeah,
he was better at least even Green Bay fans, because

(01:40:34):
then he brought you two rings versus Farve giving you one.
Wouldn't even have that one. Yeah. Yeah. But here's my thing, though, Robbie.
I mean, we're talking about him getting another Super Bowl,
and I hope he wouldn't. Look, I'll bet on him
because he's so great. I'll bet on him, But I'm
not that confident. I'm not as confident as you would

(01:40:56):
think with a player who's so great. And here's why.
I because quarterbacks, no matter how good they are, who
take up such a big part of the team's salary
cap with their own contract rarely win Super Bowls. In fact,
when his when this contract kicks in, robbing Aaron Rodgers

(01:41:19):
is gonna get seventeen percent of the salary cap for
the Green Bay Packers. Guess what. Never in NFL history
has a quarterback who get earned seventeen percent of the
team salary cap won a Super Bowl. The highest percentage
was percent and that's Steve Young. Only four quarterbacks have

(01:41:42):
won Super Bowls when using up eleven percent or more
of the team salary cap, the average is like seven
percent for Super Bowl quarterback. So my point is the
reason Aaron Rodgers hasn't won more than that one title
he won is because he hasn't had the players around him.

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And it's hard to put the players around you when
the quarterback is making so much of the money. I
think that's a leap of faith by you to to
just say that that's the reason. How about players not
doing their jobs and in situations precisely but that we're doing,
had more money to get better players, that they would
do their jobs. So Bill Buckner wouldn't have let the

(01:42:25):
ball go through his legs in the World Series if
he's making less money. That was just different sports. My
point is, my point isn't you know what I'm saying
that that uh, the tight end who botched the on
site kick in Seattle where they would go in to
the Super Bowl. Don't tell me that anything to do
with with a contract on how much money to quarterback?

(01:42:46):
Because he boxed the money. I could have got a
better tight end who wouldn't have it. Stop. I mean,
that's like saying, Okay, Kyle Korver missed the jump shot
in the finals when Lebron James hit him with the
great pass. You know, if they met the money to
go get Ray Allen, then uh Ray might have hit
that shot. If if Lebron didn't give up the basketball

(01:43:07):
when he didn't have to. It was not the right basketball.
I hate that. I hate that. I hate not when
you're the greatest of ball time. Maybe for a regular Joe,
passing to the open man is good. When Lebron passed
the ball to George Hill almost died which step cur
Look step Curry in front of him, Steph Curry. George

(01:43:31):
Hill was wide open up. If he was wide over,
he would have made the layup. He wasn't because he
wasn't open. No, he was open. And then Clay saw
how hoping wasn't it basically intentionally fouled him a layoup
my NBA team mate to make a layoup. And then
it's like, is not some phenomenal jump shooter. George Hill

(01:43:52):
is a George Hill is as a ninety eight percent Yeah,
but not when the game's on the line in the NBA.
Five knows, no, I know, that's why. But George Hill
had been in big time games and stop Indiana. Ye,

(01:44:13):
how did you turn see see see what you did
get Betty Hill? That's who you have such disdame for
the great Lebron jo that you turned the conversation about
Aaron Rodgers into a reason to decimate Lebron James. That's

(01:44:35):
not where we're going. It just comes out of you.
That's what I'm saying. Like, man, And you know, back
to Aaron Rodgers, are they gonna win a Super Bowl?
I mean, that's the bottom line. I agree. Aaron Rodgers
is so great that every single year he's there in
his prime, you can't count them out right, No, you can't.

(01:44:57):
They'll be in the hunt and it is entertained it
and you're gonna keep the stands full. You're gonna remain
one of the most relevant, exciting teams in the NFL
and all of that. But at the end of the day,
are you going to win another Super Bowl? I say yes.

(01:45:18):
I say that he's because here's the other part, Chris.
He's not your typical howl is Aaron Rodgers. Now, what
what's his age? Thirty? No, he's thirty four, thirty six
five something like, So he's thirty four, But he in
football years. You know how old he is thirty one

(01:45:38):
because he said he said those three years his body
didn't take the didn't take the punishment. So I'm just
telling you he has three Brady. What is he gonna
play as long as time? Brady? He could He's until
he's fifty. He could play as lord in your math.
Or he could just have Tom Brady's which doctor help

(01:46:00):
him out as he gets older. Hey, you gotta give
him credit, Alex Guerrero. He's doing something right. And he's
back on the plane now too, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And they don't want to talk about it, but you
know it is what it is. But look, I just
it's hard robbed when you don't you don't have the

(01:46:21):
money to go out and get the other players. It's hard, man.
I mean the tim Brady took has taken less money.
His wife is a supermodel. She makes His wife could
never work a day or girlfriend on it. He's not
married because it doesn't have to work another day of
her life and she's fine. That has nothing to do

(01:46:44):
with Brady taking less money. No, but I'm I'm, I'm
the whole life. He wasn't married to a superman. If
he was married to age, he would be super first
grade teacher. Okay, he still could have taken less money
and been fine. I'm telling you, Tom Brady, it's easy
year when money is not an issue and your wife
is bringing in that kind of jack. I mean, what

(01:47:05):
he goes. So I don't know what his number is
at now, but let his wife makes more than him. Okay,
I know, but let's say his wife. Let's say it's
not even married, so the wife's spouse's money is not
even a factor. All right, what he if he took
twenty million instead of twenty five million a year, he

(01:47:28):
still would be fine financially. There's no difference, Rob, I'm
gonna say this. I don't know if you you won't agree.
I know there's no difference between making twenty one million
a year in twenty four minutes. What what school did
you go to? What math? Don't you got two kids
in college? Yeah? I bet you there was a difference
between what money you make. Whenever I hear that argument

(01:47:50):
is the the dumbest argument I've ever heard, because people
keep saying, what's the difference. The difference is if you're
making ten million dollars after taxes, that's five million. So
if you could make twenty million, that's ten million after taxes.
There's a big difference money. So when people say that

(01:48:10):
there's no ten million and twenty million, I said twenty
one million a year and twenty four million a year.
So ten twenty one million of years like ten and
a half million, twenty four is twelve What can I
do with twelve million a year that I can't do
with ten and a half. You can pay your daughter's
to wuition at Michigan. It is about that, my goodness.

(01:48:37):
But you know, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
come on, Gesells contract has nothing to do with it. Anyway.
One of the top teams in the NFL just missed
rob a golden opportunity. I'll explain that next, but first
let's go to our man, Steve the Sagan, to find
out what's trendy. Tom Brady's probably gross two hundred million
dollars in his career. Just alright, right, it's not like

(01:48:59):
he's welfare thank you. Yeah, no, but but Steve his
wife somebody look up bunk. I agree, But his point
her to make any money exactly got two hundred million. No,
But I'm just saying that he could take a little
bit less because she's making more than Yeah, two hundred

(01:49:22):
million wouldn't be enow she makes more than him. Check
out how much she's earned. That's true. Look on the
back of her Look on the back of her modeling car.
He's got something left over. They got modeling cars. The
NFL preseason ends tonight with all thirty two teams playing
the deadline for roster cuts his Saturday afternoon. New England
added money to tighten Rob Gronkowski's contract this year as

(01:49:45):
well as they did for Brady. He didn't take a cat.
Gronkowski got more money he is now he's gonna make well,
could make about thirteen million dollars this season. We'll get
to the details next segment, and the details of our
breaking news as well next segment. An arbitrator did didn't
i the NFL's request for dismissal of Colin Kaepernick's collusion case,
so it moves forward towards a hearing. Linebacker Elvis Dumerville

(01:50:07):
retired after a twelve year NFL career at over a
hundred sacks. David West retired from the NBA after fifteen
seasons to day games in the Major League's Milwaukee on
an eleventh inning homer won two to one. At Cincinnati,
Cleveland beat Minnesota five to three. The Angels have reinstated
alfielder Justin Upton and formerly placed Albert Pools on the

(01:50:27):
d L. Houston extended manager A. J. Hinch's contract through two.
Houston hosts the Angels tonight with Justin Furlander on the
mound eight pm Eastern. Back to you, Thank you, Steve,
great job. As always, it is the couple Chris Bruce
Ard and Rob Parker in for Doug Gottlieb here on
Fox Sports Radio, And uh Rob, what do you think

(01:50:50):
of that Teddy bridge Water trade to the Saints. I
love what the Jets did. I just thought that it
was time to give Sam Donald the job. Move forward.
You don't need three quarterbacks. You gotta back up in mccount,
you know what I mean. You gotta let the kid play.
That's the only way he's gonna learn. And I don't
want to take it slow and let Teddy Bridgewater start

(01:51:12):
the first two or three games and then bring him in.
It doesn't make any sense. Let the kid play. So
so from that standpoint, I love what the Jets did.
And if you're the Saints, maybe you're looking at it
into the future. Is Teddy Bridgewater just the insurance policy? Uh?
Or is he gonna be there a quarterback down the
road when Drew Brees is done? Yeah, because Breeze is

(01:51:33):
what forty I don't think he's forty one yet something
like that. He's uh, he's played a long time. Yeah.
I don't disagree with anything you said, but that's just
a fan of the game. And I like Teddy Bridgewater too.
I would have liked to have seen him get traded
to a team where he could start, and I think

(01:51:54):
their teams that or at least we'll have a chance
to start. You know. How about the Broncos? I mean,
if the Broncos had a Teddy Bridgewater, how good would
they be? I hear you? You know, like, why didn't
they I don't know the inner workings and all that,
but why didn't they go out and get Teddy Bridgewater?
How about the Jaguars. I know, you gotta start Blake,

(01:52:20):
you know, game one whatever, but that dude ain't your guys. See,
I always believe in if you have a chance to upgrade,
you just do it. You see this with guys with
the wives, you get rich or whatever. See now I
know why after five Chris, I'm just saying it happens

(01:52:41):
all the time. Do guys not upgrade or or you know,
like they're like, okay, I'm rich now, like she was
my girl? Would I don't have any money and I
was in college or I was just starting out, and
now I'm rich and all these like stars and actresses
and all these women are interested in me. And then
what happened they yes, very I'm gonna tell you a

(01:53:02):
story and you know it, but I'm not gonna say
the name. But there was an NBA player who entered
the league, you know, and he wasn't like this all
American high school blue chipper all of that. He kind
of was a late bloomer. So he entered. You know,
he he had married like a girl he knew from,

(01:53:24):
you know, way back in the day. And you know,
he was kind of a humble guy. You know, you're
quiet and you know that, and all of a sudden
he becomes this superstar to your point, and now you
got supermodel story, you know, like you just skyrocketed right
to another level. And and his his wife was you know,

(01:53:44):
she was okay, but you know, and I mean you
know she was okay, but yeah, and and and you
know they didn't eventually get divorced, and he did upgrade,
no doubt about. So yeah, I get what you're saying. Uh,
but I would have liked to have seen teams do that.

(01:54:07):
I'm looking at the broncos I'm looking at the jack.
Have you put the jack? You put the jack was
with the right quarterback, bridge Water that that team could
win a championship. That's how good that defense is. Yep.
So why in the world didn't you do it? Why
in the world didn't you Bridge Way to remember, remember Rob,

(01:54:28):
how high Minnesota was on him right to the point
where when he got injured. I mean, dudes were distraught.
Both his teammates were distraught that that he was hurt
and was out, and also how gruesome that injury was.
It was right and all you heard about though, obviously
the gruesomeness of the injury, but the intangibles. You know,

(01:54:51):
he was smart, he's a leader. He you know, he
had physical tools. I mean, I hope this guy gets
another chance. But I even think the Buccaneers because Jamis Winston.
You know, I'm not a hater of Jamis's right, right,
so he don't again, he doesn't have he's not starting.

(01:55:12):
He's got the four games, three or four? Three or four? Yeah,
what is it three? We're trying to get the right number.
I think it's I think you're right. I think it's three,
three games. It'spension year, you know what. And this is
this is kind of a pipe dream. And these two
teams wouldn't deal with each other anyway, but it could

(01:55:33):
have created even a controversy. But I would have thought
about it if I was the Giants, the New York
Football Giants. But they're not that they're in love with
They're still living in the past. Those are bad organizations
because they're living in the Eli past. And I get it.
I give Eli all the credit in the world, but
you're living in the past. You're gonna look at the

(01:55:54):
numbers over the last four or five years and Chris,
they're not pretty. They weren't that pretty when he won
super Bowls in the regular the regular season. But his playoff,
he's clutched. That's what you have to give him. He
was clutch and you know, probably a Hall of Famer, no, no, no,
two super bowls too, Super Bowl m v P. He's

(01:56:15):
gonna get in the Hall of Fame probably, I think.
I mean, you do it, you know you do it.
You do it in New York. It's more, it's it's
magnus two Super Bowls anywhere as an m v P
both years. It's not like Peyton's second one way through
for for seventy nine yards and was offer. Do you
know what I mean? He made the big place. There's

(01:56:37):
no doubt, there's no doubt. Well, we got some pressing
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item from publicized couple hours of during the show that
that arbitrator denied the NFL's request for dismissal of Colin
Kaepernick's collusion case. You would talked about it. There was
a Harvard Law article what if Kaepernick is correct that
points out that the anti collusion provision that they're gonna
be going on now because it's gonna move forward towards
the hearing. We could have NFL officials essentially on the

(01:58:05):
stand and can be questioned and contradicted, But the complaining
party is the one that has the burden of proof,
in this case the quarterback. And just because the player
isn't signed by any team and you still have skills,
that doesn't meet the required burden of proof. It has
to be a clear preponderance of evidence. The quarterbacks are

(01:58:26):
gonna have to show that at least two NFL teams
entered either into explicit or in place in agreement to
deny the player an opportunity to play pro football. Merely
supposing that you're the victim, of course, would not be enough.
It does go forward, and it's a bad day for
the NFL, no doubt about it. And you just said it.
You don't have to get all thirty two teams. Two teams,

(01:58:50):
and that is that's that's why the burden of proof
is a lot easier for him. If you had to
get like like the baseball one I bought up, Steve
would have had a memo that it out to all
the owners that that's clear proof. Okay, you had, But
in this case, that's why I think this has gone on.
You don't have to have all of them. If Jerry
made a phone call to Jerry Jones made a phone

(01:59:12):
call of somebody to another owner and said, hey, we
gotta keep this s O b out of the league,
there you go right right, And look, I don't doubt
that something like that happened. That's all it takes. I'm
sure a phone call, not doubt. A text. I don't know,
you never know. Some people aren't that smart not to
text stuff like that. But but yeah, a phone call, yeah,

(01:59:34):
I probably took place a conversation and then you get
maybe at dinner or something, remember about him, Chris. When
you gotta get understanding and and not not lie on
the oath, it becomes a different ball game. Yeah, to
the Patriots, no doubt, there's no doubt it was black ball, alright,
talking about cheaters. What you got the Patriots, we'll get

(01:59:58):
to Grandkowski. To we mentioned eight. Of course, they just
added money to his contract with very obtainable incentives. Tight
End Dwayne Allen agrees to take a pay cut to
stay in New England. But good news for Rob Gronkowski,
the star tight end today gets about four mill added
to his contract this year, including incentives. Basically, guys, if
he gets one more catch than last year, one more

(02:00:20):
yard than last year, one more touchdown, and he had
last year just one percent more of playing in the
offensive snaps. If he exceeds three of those four things,
he's gonna be due for millions plural added to his
contract for the coming year. They should have paid him
in kegs and uh pistachio nuts and extra football. And

(02:00:40):
the interesting thing is Gronkowski is a really smart guy financially. Yeah,
saving the cash, Yeah, yeah, he's never spent any of
his contract, which which means he's got so much staff
that he could just do the offseason work out on
his own. Say no to the quarter million dollar off
season workout bonus. That's right. But I'll tell you this.

(02:01:01):
When I hear about guys who never spend any of
their money, I think it's dumb. You know why money
is to be spent, and if you don't spend it,
guess what, Guess what somebody else is gonna spend it.
So I don't believe in that. I believe in saving.
But you gotta enjoy life. It's not like he looks
like he's enjoying life, you know. But I'm just saying,
like he doesn't dry, you know, doesn't dress extra forbid,

(02:01:25):
something happens, Chris. All I'm saying is that money that
you didn't spend, that you earned, someone else is going
to spend. That's all I'm saying. Oh, when you know
it's gonna be money, Like like I think there's a
happy meeting. My wife and I we have a friend,
a couple of you know, a couple that we're tight with,
and they are great finding. I mean, they count every

(02:01:48):
penny and we're we're We're not like that. You know.
We spend, we have fun, but we save, you know
what I mean, Like, we're smart with our money, but
we also spend some of it and have fun. And
like you said, money is meant to be spent. I
was another great nineties seconds Steve, I'm the King of Knights.

(02:02:09):
I think we stole. Yeah. I think Steve had about
three more stills then the next show look at him
all right, Well, hey, Rob enjoyed it. It was fantastic.
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