September 16, 2020 • 38 mins
Doug breaks down Kawhi Leonard’s disappointing game 7 performance and if he still thinks Leonard is the best player in the NBA right now. Plus Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network tells Doug what he saw from Tom Brady’s first start as QB for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know it's interesting, Um,
Kawai Leonard loses last night. I want to dive into
whether or not we should still consider him the best
player in the world where he's an all time great player.
Will do that up coming. Obviously he struggled late last night. UM,
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you know, and I'm gonna be I'm uh, I'm gonna
be super super interested to see exactly how we view
Kauai historically and how it ends like. This is not
this is not close to the last time we will
we will discuss Kawai Leonard. It's not the last time
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in which uh, we'll we'll start to explain his stats away.
They're not all gonna be negatives. First things first, put
this out in the Western semis, which is what he
lost in he averaged fourteen a game in the first half,
shooting fifty six percent from the field percent from three
in the second half, ten points a game on thirty
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one percent field goal of shooting twenty seven percent from
three in the fourth quarter only average five point two
points per game, twenty seven point three points per game
UH thirty three point three h three point percentage nine
of ten from the free fi line. Nick Wright said,
it doesn't look like a guy who's in contention for
the best player in the world. And I would say,
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based upon that series, that's accurate. Now it's it's also
fair to point out that he's a tremendous defensive player.
He had before last night's block by bam ade Bio.
The signature block of the quarantine was Jamal Murray going
into dunk on Kawhi Leonard and blocking it with one finger.
That did, in fact happen in the same series. And
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and the thing we gotta the statueet thing has just
gotta end. It just does. Don't get me wrong. Stats
showed you his game showed you he wasn't good. He
wasn't good late last night. But like again, this is
the if stats It wouldn't matters. Russell Westbrook before this
year had the three greatest years in modern basketball history. First,
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gotta every triple double. He's not, you know, James Harden,
great statistical offensive player, not a winner. Everyone in the
NBA would take Kawhi Leonard ahead of James Harden, even
though James Hardens a magnificent and a more talented offensive
score and passer. So can we still consider the best
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for the world? Yeah? Yeah, Now obviously Lebron, can I
guess take back that mantle because he'd be the only
one playing some of what we're seeing from Lebron. As
we told you, they benefited from the fact they got
two extra games off, game days off because of the protests.
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And this is where Lebron and his preparation and his conditioning,
he is, I almost think inarguably the best conditioned athlete
of all time. And now look Lebron, I point out
two thousand seventeen NBA Finals, he was bad in the
second half. And and and to anyone who follows me
and Nick right on Twitter, like, why are you bringing
up Lebron? Because it's like Nick has personally offended that
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Kauai was seen as taking his Mantle. I thought Durant
took the mantle, but I can't consider Durant the best
player in the game because didn't play this year and
I don't know what he looks like coming off and
a kill his tenant tear. And my hopes for Kawhi Leonard.
I wanted to see him on a collision course with Lebron,
have them guard each other and see what that looks like.
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Now we won't. It'll be Lebron's chance and they'll be
a prohibitive favorite. And oh yeah, by the way, like
who on the Nuggets is gonna guard Lebron? Yikes? I
I gotta see Michael Porter Jr. Guy like Michael Bord Jr.
Is arguably the worst. Now he's more of a bad
off ball defender. He's not very good on bo either.
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He's just a kid. But that one, that's the matchup.
I gotta see Lebron being guarded by one of the
worst defenders in the NBA, Kenny Bees. Is he an
all time great? Yeah? Like greatest player of all time? No.
And and my point when I had mentioned that is like, look,
you at least gotta bring him up if he was
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to win a second straight Finals MVP with a second
straight team. When the third franchise he one Finals MVP, then, yeah,
we got to discuss his all time greatness. Is he
a great player? Yes? Is he a two time finals MVP? Yes?
Will they be back? Of course they will first. Now
the Warriors are gonna be back next year. Let's see
what happens to the Rockets that. See what happens to
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the Nuggets that, see what happens to the Jazz. He
won't get easier, it'll just get different, probably harder. But
that doesn't one game or one series doesn't take away
from all that he's accomplished. That's why I'm not I'm
not a guy who goes in and points out Lebron
and the Mavericks. His first year, they started Joel Anthony
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at center, they started Mike Baby at point guard. Neither
were good enough. He didn't play well. It's inarguable it
wasn't all in his wasn't all his fault. It wasn't
even mostly his fault. Some his fault. A lot of
it was the make up of the team. And if
you remember that series, um remember that series. There was
some officiating because some questionable officiating as well, and Dirk
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was amazing and Jason Kidd was amazing. Yes, right, music.
So the whole idea behind Kawuahi Leonard was I know
that Greg Popovich mostly started the whole load management thing
with some of the older players like Tim Duncan, Tony
Parker and Ginobilee. And it wasn't like it was quite
letter and invented this thing. But we sort of explained
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it away last year because it was, well, it looks
like load management works because they ended up winning the
whole thing. And so now we find ourselves in a
situation where we always sort of explained away Kawhi Leonard
not being an everyday player during the regular season because
it would payoff in the playoffs. So how do we
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now balance if if he's not gonna always be contending
for a championship and he's only going to be playing
somewhere between sixty and seventy games a year, it feels
like you can't really have both anymore. Well, I think
here's the difference. Okay, keep in mind, when he went
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to Toronto it was a lot like when he was
in San Antonio. Both of those two places, their culture um,
their culture was was already established, right, that that's that's
that's inarguable. The Spurs already had a championship culture. He
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wasn't really a leader there. He was their best young player.
When he went to Toronto, they had been good for
a while, they had established a culture. They just didn't
have a best player, a guy who could be their
alpha and win them a game. So whereas when he
went to he goes to the Clippers. The Clippers had
to hit reboot going back a year ago, right, I
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mean they had, they had decided to reboot when they
trade away Chris Paul. They were trying to rebuild, and
then all of a sudden they came came upon the
idea and clear out space, build a good culture, adding
two superstars, Like, there's a good chance this would have
happened if Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving played with the
Nets this year. So I would tell you that I
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actually think it's explainable that it's so different between the two.
Does that make sense? Yeah, I just I guess I'm
saying that it's more so in the bigger picture of
because when you try to contextualize KWHI Leonard as an
all time great, a lot of times his and you know,
I know you're not always a fan of the ross stats,
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but like his points per game and things like that
are always down because we've always said, well, he doesn't
really take the regular season as serious because he's all
about just performing in the playoffs. And and it now
seems like it's that pendulum that swings one way and
all of a sudden it swings back the other way.
Before we probably cared a little bit too much about
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regular season stats, like you said, with like the Russell
Westbrook and getting triple doubles that don't really mean anything
because they're just volume stats, to where we completely discounted, Hey,
the regular season means nothing too. Now it's like, well,
does the regular season really mean nothing if you're also
not going to make it past the second round of
the playoffs, Like there has to be a balance there,
like if you're not gonna make the second round, like
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you might as well be playing seventy games a year
at least. Yeah. No, no no, listen, absolutely that it absolutely matters.
Um some I just I think that just the lack
of consistency in the regular season came back to bite them.
There's just no other way. And I would say not
playing that much, like there's just a natural conditioning to
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it as well. So I I'm I understand what you're
saying and that you have to be. If you're gonna
say the regular season doesn't matter. The postseasons all that matters,
and you come up short in the postseason, well then
your your season was an abject disaster. Fair um, But
I I would also tell you that this was a
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year that was peculiar unlike any other, and I think
there was some flaws in terms of what and how
they did what and how they did it right. Like
the lou Williams thing is an embarrassment. It just is.
Louilliams thing is absolutely an embarrassment. So the idea that
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it's funny or it's cool that he, you know, is
on some personal trip to somebody that he knows that
then he's got to come back and he's in quarantine
because he goes to his favorite strip club and gets
wings or whatever like that is just dumb and selfish.
And that's only showing that you're not completely committed to
winning a championship. I mean, like, this is what it
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takes in athletics. Athletics is about sacrifice. Do you tell
kids all the time, like, you know, you may lose
a friend over it, you may not get to have
a sleepover every I my my son loves to have sleepovers,
loves it. And I was like, yeah, here's the thing, dude,
you got a game early tomorrow morning. You can't have
a sleepover. You don't go to sleep, You get up,
you feel terrible, you get mad that I woke you
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up around the morning. You got early morning sport. You
don't play that well, Like, that's just not You gotta
give us some up. And they had some guys that
weren't willing to give those things up. They had some
guys that wanted to play. They had some guys that,
you know, whereas other teams seemed more committed, seemed more united,
and it it worked better. So yes, is this is
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this a loss for load management? Sure? Sure? And and
the truth about load management is we gave it a
bunch of credit last year, but they weren't gonna win
the championship if Kevin Durant played the whole series right
load management or no load management, and it was no
first year of no Lebron in the East. We gotta
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credit that some I think there's a lot to it.
But I am I my hopping completely off the Kauai bandwagon. No,
he was magnificent much of these playoffs. Uh and and
and not just in the Nuggets games, but in the
previous series as well. I will tell you, though, that
the untold story of Lebron this year is the quality
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of his leadership, the motivation of Anthony Davis, the his
ability to get everybody to buy into making this thing important.
Now with it kind of this is what you're talking about.
There should be some balance. He should take a little
bit of heat for last year when the thing went sideways.
That was his team. It may have been his first year,
but that was his team. And he wasn't when when
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he got hurt, He wasn't fully dedicated, drinking wine on
the bench of games like that's not acceptable. But he learned.
They adjusted the team, They added Anthony Davis, Magic Johnson
stepped aside. He got better, They got better. He bought
into making Anthony Davis believe that he was the best
player on the floor, and here we go and there
we go. Players don't always understand the mindset it takes
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to be a winner. One UH superstar clearly doesn't get it,
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Lip Shop Fox Sports Radio. Man, I was like that
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that game was Those games are so crazy last night,
so crazy last night. Um what I'm talking about Paul
George For a second, he struggled in an elimination game
last night. Playoff. P was now eliminated to P. This
is Paul George on his expectations before the season started.
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It is what it is. It's no cop out. The
fact of the matter is we didn't live up to
that expectation. But I think internally we've always felt this
is not a championship or bus year for us. You know,
we we can only get better. The longer we stayed
together and the more we're around each other, the more
chemistry for this group, the better. I think that's really
to tell of the tape of the season. We just
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didn't have enough time together. It didn't interesting. How much
more time could you possibly have had together? Again, I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and yell and
scream and not understand that there is nuance there. There's
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each has an individual story. Like I get all of that,
all of it okay, but I would I would also
tell you that you know, you look around and you're like, wait,
you needed more time together. This is the flaw And
what Doc Reverse didn't do. He didn't demand that everybody
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was there immediately. And I get like, when you're planning
on staying somewhere for three months, you're like, you know,
if you want to show up a couple of days,
like fine, whatever, we got things to work it out.
But you know, then the lou Williams thing happened to
kind of spoiled out of control. You had a couple
of injuries, you had some other guys have some personal stuff,
and Patrick Beverley is is away from the bubble, Like
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these guys come back in and now it's you're like
reast every time. You're trying to restart your chemistry. But
more time together. Who's that on? You guys are in
the bubble for the last two and a half months.
You need more time together. Um, And I understand what
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he's saying about the championship or bust I don't. I'm
not gonna misconstrue it. I think he's being raked over
the coals for it, which I understand. Like there should
have been a greater sense of urgency now Paul Georgie
is like, like, I'm not going anywhere. You know, Kauai
is not going anywhere. We're staying here. We don't plan
on leaving ever. Fine, but you don't get that many opportunities.
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He definitely don't get opportunities where you have the best
team or one of the two best teams like that.
Doesn't remember next year the Nets are gonna be talented.
Next year the Warriors should be super talented. You know,
you gotta assume that the Nuggets, whatever happens here, Jamal
Murray shouldn't get worse. He should get better. Same thing
with your kich continues. They're still in growth phase. Lakers
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gonna try and make moves and keep getting better. Right
Portland Trailblazer, Le's see if they can add another piece.
I just you and and Kauai were healthy. You guys
had a great chance, and it was It would have
been the first time when you could play the Lakers
and not play a road game, even when it's on
your home floor. So I understand what he's saying, but
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the way in which he said it sounds like it
just lacks any sense of urgency, which is clearly so
badly needed. Just he's he's a He's one of those guys.
He's smart, but sometimes too smart for his own good.
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Doug Otliep Show, Fox Sports Radio A lot to get
to Daniel Jeremiah Moved the Sticks. As the podcast, he
also calls the Charger games on radio. Let's let's start
with the charge they took on Joe Burrow. Um, what
what was your now that you you watched Joe Burrow
in person? What's your EVL of him as NFL quarterback? Well?
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I thought he got better, Doug as the game went along.
I thought it was an adjustment for him speed wise. Um.
I think just you go from l s U being
able to sit back there even when they were you know,
an empty Uh, he could, he could be comfortable in
the pocket and the charges made him very uncomfortable. Um,
so it took him a while. That's kind of adjustice speed.
I thought he got better as the game went along. Um,
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he does not have a huge arm, and that was
you could notice that out there. You know. He always
it's different when you have the college game the NFL game. UM,
So on the negative side, that would probably be the
one that stood out to me. But uh, you know,
I think the kids really really tough, and I think
he started to figure some things out as the game
went along. Yeah, I you know, I noticed that he
took one deep shot down the field to his tight
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end and badly overthrew it. And you know, I think
to some people that would be nerves. To me, that
would be a guy who doesn't have a great arm,
you know, trying to load up to to you know,
to to make sure that he made the throw. Um. Okay,
so how problematic is that arm strength in the future. Well,
you know, I don't know. I want to see more. Um.
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I just think, you know, there's some guys when the
ball just jumps out of their hand, you know, and
you see Kyler Murray um, and you watch obviously Mahomes
some of these other quarterbacks. Carson Wentz, we've seen him
come out like he's just that's not his game. Um,
his game is about anticipation in timing, and he missed.
He missed two deep balls. He missed one to to
a J. Green was wide open. Overthrew that one and
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overthrew one too John Ross, which both of them would
have been touchdowns. Um. So I think he'll settle in.
I don't. I don't think the arm strength thing is
gonna be you know, a major, major deal because it's
an anticipation timing thrower. But you know, it's hard to
It's hard with the lack of offseason. If you're an
anticipation timing guy. Um, that's gonna take a little while.
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Daniel Jeremiah joining us in the Doug Ot Live Show
on Fox Sports Radio. How long will we see Tyrod
Taylor's quarterback of the Chargers? Well, I mean, you know,
you know how much you know the organization, UM loves
Tyrod Taylor, and you you find ways to win games.
It's just to me, it's a very narrow path, Um.
And that's the challenge is that you know, you're gonna
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have to have your defense produce some turnovers, You're gonna
have to run the ball. Well, it's just you know,
play style wise, He's he's a he's a fishing. It's
just not explosive. And you know, this will be a
good This will be a good one this week against
Kansas City Chiefs because that game and all likely that's
gonna find its way you know, north and eight points
and can you produce twenty eight points? You know with
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this style, that's gonna be you know, that's gonna be
the the answer to how long we're gonna see Tyrod
before they go to Justin. Herbert Doug got live show
here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, let so let's
go around the league. Um, what do you think about
what Bruce arians said in regards to Tom Brady. Yeah,
I guess tough love, huh. I mean that's uh, you know,
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Bruce kind of always done that. I think it's almost
kind of a statement of of you know, sometimes some coaches,
as you know, they like to do that. They like
to single out the best player, you know, are the
biggest reputation and kind of call him out and then
it's kind of a it's a it's a message to
the rest of the team that that everybody can get this.
But man, it just seemed unusual for your first game
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where I think you kind of lower your expectations a
little bit. Hey, we'll get it, we'll get it. Going
to just to come out and uh kind of adviserate
your starting quarterback. That was interesting. Okay, So how much
of it is lack of timing, how much of it
is he's fitting into a different scheme, how much of
it is the Saints, how much of it is age.
If I was going to look at it, I would say,
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first of all, Brady the velocity was good. Um, he
moved around like he always had. I didn't notice any
noticeable difference there. His vision was not good. That was
what alarmed me a little bit, because he's always been
somebody that saw the field extremely well, did not see
the field well, did not make great decisions. Um. But
I tend to look at that as is more of
a one off with the Saints defense and how good
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they are. I think their secondaries as good as it gets. Um,
So I'm I'm I'm gonna reserve judgment on that until
we see them um and some better opportunities than the
one they had there against the Saints. But um, yeah,
that the biggest The biggest issue for me was not
you know, Tom Brady's lost his arm or Tom Brady.
You know, he's just old and can't move at all.
It was it was Tom Brady not seeing the field,
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and that should have nothing to do with age. Age
should be something that helped him in that regard. Doug
got Live show here on Fox Sports Radio. UM, okay,
I watched Philip Rivers and I watched him throw the
ball all over the place late and they lost a
close game. And I said, yep, that's Philip Rivers. What
do you think? Well? I think that, Um, I think
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you got you got something there that's uh up to
to refute. I mean, there's so much good it can
be with Philip, and it's been that way, you know,
was that way last year where you can have eight
goods and then just one head scratcher, and he's he's
hasn't been able to eliminate that from his game. It's
something he's got. He's got to figure it out. But
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I would say, if you'd told me before that game,
I think they threw it forty six times or forty
eight times or something like that. That was not what
I envisioned for that coach team and how they were
gonna try and play and win games. Um, that didn't
make any sense to me. I know Marlon Mack got injured,
but they have to change that formula. Philips not gonna
be able to take them where they want to go
if they're throwing it that much, that's just not gonna work. Nope, Nope,
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not not gonna work at all, does it? Ben Roethlisberger,
how did he look to you? Fine? Um? He has?
I mean he has, uh, you know that offense is
pretty user friendly for him, and and he doesn't have
to be, you know, dynamic and explosive. He just has
to sit back there make going to Ausian to take
care of the football. Their defense is gonna happen in
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every single game that they play. So to me, this is, uh,
this is kind of set up for the Steelers. It
reminds me of of Peyton Super Bowl year with the Broncos.
And I think Ben is in a better place physically
than Peyton was at that point in time, but I
feel like the threshold for what he needs to do
is very similar to Peyton that year. Um. I think
their defense is going to carry them a long way. Yeah,
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I I do as well. What about Daniel Jones? Now?
Year two? Offensive line still work in progress, Sae Kwon
Barkley gaib getting hitten behind the line of scrimmage. What
do you think of Daniel Jones? I liked what he did.
You know, if you take out one throw from that
game down on the goal line where he just he
he couldn't let it go, you know, and he get
Budgetupree hit him and ball popped up in the here
he gets picked. Um. Outside of that, I thought, you know,
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some of the things that he has that you really like.
I think he does see the field well, hangs in there.
I do not think they're great up front by any stretch. UM,
So they have a lot of work they need to
do around him. But if I was a Giants fan,
I actually feel pretty comfortable that that you've got a
pretty good guy you can build around. Calherd's bailing on
Sam Donald, should I I'm not bailing on Sam Donald.
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I'm I'm I'm not feeling great about Sam Donald's success
in UM. Those are two different Those are two different categories.
I don't see with where they are right now, what
they have around him skill wise, it's not it's not encouraging. Now.
He missed, he missed, and he admitted that he missed
three or four throws early in that game. He's got
a hit. Um, But I just, man, there's just not
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a lot of there's not a lot of around right now.
Some of that due to injury. But uh, you know,
I don't anticipate this being a very good year for
the Jets. And I imagine that, Uh, you know, they've
got all these resources in the off season, um, these
next two years with draft picks, um, and that's uh,
you know, that's where they're gonna have try and get
the team better. That the challenge is gonna be if
Sam doesn't play well, how do you separate between what
is Sam if you're the organization, um, you know, versus
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the surrounding. Because they the way it looked off one week, Doug,
they're gonna be picking a way up there and uh
and this is enough to be a very good quarterback year.
So that's gonna be it's gonna be a challenging one
for the Jets to figure out. Yeah, but did not
look if they believe in him, that could allow them
to move down and then you know they have so
many other holes to fill, just the lack of talent
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um that I mean, they're gonna need wide receivers, running back,
it's gonna need It's like a house, it's gonna need everything.
Like we got the quarterback. He's fine, Let's let's put
some dudes around. The question is he takes such a
beating and makes so many mistakes that he develops even
worse habits. Daniel Jeremiah, our guest on the Doug Gottlib Show,
Baker Mayfield is that fixable doesn't look good. And I
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don't understand that one because I think, you know, I
look at everything that's that he has around him. I
think he's set up for success. So there's no you know, Sam,
he's the opposite, right, Yeah, exactly with Sam. You know,
I don't want to absolve him or any criticism. He
didn't play well, but you can you can come up
with reasons why Sam did play well. Baker doesn't really
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have any reasons. When you look at what he has
around him, there's no reason why he should not be
more success usful. Um, And you know, look, it's I
want to overreact off one week. Let's let's give it
three or four more games. But he has got to
be a lot better than that. Um. Okay, Derek Carr,
what are your thoughts in his performance? He was fine.
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I thought he was fine. You know. I thought when
they had to have big drive, the big drive at
the end, he stepped up and delivered. Um. I think
you know they had. Henry Ruggs got nicked up in
that game and missed a chunk of time, but you
can see the impact he had early on. They schemed
up a deep shot to him and he uh and
Derek was able to get it out there. So Derek
still gonna have He still has a little bit of
a conservative gene that shows up at times. I think
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it's frustrating, especially down on the red zone when you
want to see him just be a little bit more
aggressive and assertive. But um, I thought on the whole
he played pretty well. Um. I just don't think that
Raiders defense is gonna be able to be able to
hang with some of these high power teams that they're
gonna end up seeing this year. I just I don't
have a lot of confidence there. Why were the Cowboys
so bad on third down offensively? You know, I I
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went into it and I heard all the criticism of
Dak and I kind of went in with that mindset
when I watched the tape, and then when I watched
the tape, I came out of it and said, well,
you're these are a lot of third and long third
and twelve to twenties. Um, they pass protection wise, we're
not good. And they let the Rams play a very
physical on the perimeter with Jalen Ramsay, especially against Mariti
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Cooper on some of those third downs, he just wouldn't
he wouldn't let go. Um So Dak scrambled, made a
couple of things happen there, came up short on one
of them. They end up converting the fourth down. But
you know, long story short, when you watch that tape, Doug,
I did not come away with that. I did not
agree with the with the amount of criticism that Dad
got for for the third down performance. There are a
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lot of other issues they got to clean up. Yeah,
but I mean, like, look again, at some point the
buck does stop there, right, Like we keep changing coaches
and coordinators. You've got dudes, and I know there's other
issues there, but how many times do we have to
see it against better petition to her? He goo is
at least either part of the problem part of the solution. Well,
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I mean, I guess you can make the comment about
the competition, but I mean they have the number one
offense in the NFL last year. He's take him the postseason.
I mean, it's not like he's an unaccomplished guy back there. Um,
But I'm just saying in that in that one instance,
in that one game that was not that was not
great around him, that that injury the tight end is
really going to hurt them because he had gotten comfortable
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with Darwin and they don't have another one. So um,
and Mary Cooper's gotta get off press. I mean they
let him play, Um, but man, you've you you can't
get tied up like he got tied up in that.
I just don't think Mary Cooper is as good as
his contract. He's he's a he's a nice play he's
a nice player. But yeah, but he was he was
so good when he came over from the Raiders, but
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the everyone massively overvalued him and like like you said,
he just got magnadled by Jalen Ramsey when they tried
to be when he's physical with him and the rest
of him be physical. Yeah. So I think he's a good,
complimentary player. I don't think he's he's a pure one
a receiver. I just don't. But um, you know they
they They're a very interesting team to keep an eye on.
I'm telling you that injury, let's see how it goes.
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But I think that's I don't think many people know
who Blake Jarwin is. Uh so they don't. That just
didn't even they didn't even register for them. That's a
big loss for that team. Yeahan shan Lee out again
stopped you heard it for? But Blake Jarwin starting tight end.
If I walk on an Oklahoma State an undrafted guy
who you know earn earned his way to a decent kind,
I gotta run the last thing. Uh. Injuries starting to
pile up in San Francisco and Jimmy Garoppolo doing those
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Jimmy Garoppolo things. How concerned should we be? I think
keep an eye on the On the Kyle Shanahan press
conferses after games, you can see there's a there's a
healthy frustration there with with what he's getting at the
quarterback position. I think that's only gonna grow awesome stuff.
Daniel Jeremiah Moved the Sticks is the podcast NFL Network,
of course, covering the Charger games as well. DJ Great stuff.
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Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks Doux, the pleasure
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welcome in Dave Revson, lead host for the Big Ten Network.
As the big announcement which was rumored and Rubert and
discussed yesterday leak yesterday frankly by the president or chancellor
at the University Nebraska, became a reality today. Big Ten's
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gonna play football in a month and a week from tomorrow.
And if you turn in the Big Ten Network, they
have an awesome crew. I do wonder if they're gonna
go around to all the training camps now as they
do every year. Dave Revson joins us, are you guys
gonna hit You're gonna get in on the bus tour,
You're just gonna do everything the studio. It has not
been presented to me yet, Doug. But my guests would
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be that that we wouldn't do it just given everything
that's that's going on with the challenges are traveling and
getting onto campuses. But we'll certainly have exhaustive previews. I
do know that how does happen? Like you know, people
I started to discuss this, people just have such a
sinister view right where it's it's where it's political or
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it's only about the money. And you know, I have
my own kind of view of why this took place,
you know, the reality of it. Why did this have
How did they go from we're not going to play
until the spring to you know what, let's play next month.
I actually think it's fairly straightforward. I don't think they
did a particularly great job of articulating why they weren't
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playing in the first place back in August. I certainly
wouldn't be the first to have that opinion. I think
a lot of people, frankly at the conference would would
probably agree with that too. But I really think it
came down to this. In August, they did not want
to put players on the field without being a percent
sure that they didn't have COVID, and they did not
antics to pay a world where they would be able
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to do that anytime soon. There were massive advancements in
terms of availability of rapid testing. It accelerated much more
quickly than they had anticipated. And now that they have
the access to the rapid testing that they can do
every day, the game changed for them. And they had
a number of presentations from their medical group which essentially said,
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we're at a point where you can test every single kid,
every coaching you know, every guy in your coaching staff,
every ancillary personnel person who is going to be in
practice every single day, and you will have results on
whether or not they have COVID within minutes. And once
they had that information, they said, well, let's go forward
with that because that allows us to do both things
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we wanted to do, which is making sure we don't
put our players in jeopardy and play games. And so
that really, to me is what it was. It was
an interesting comment. Today we had a press conference with
six different people who would all played a role in
kind of getting this back and what was Shapiro, who
was the president of North questern I kind of asked
him the question again. He said, had he quoted an
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economists who said, you know, I'm a looting to change
montinuon when facts changed, my opinion changes changed. It's roy
that that staightforward. They just had the ability to do
something they didn't have the ability to do before. This
is a side note. I wish politicians would say that,
don't you you know, like we do this this political season.
You know, we go back, like you know, twenty five
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years ago you voted for you know, and they all
try to explain it away and just go like, hey,
look it's five years ago. It's a different world now.
Things are just different. I mean, there's so much like
you do. You remember twenty five years ago, there's no
cell phones, everything, our entire worldview was different. Anyway, I
appreciate that because I know it to be true. Right,
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Like we got more information at the time. There was
a freak out about the myo Kardiitish study, and you
know it was it was it was at least partially
if not come really debunked. But if you're sitting there
going we can't test everybody every day, there's a possibility
that some of the players, especially to everyone's can get myocarditis.
And you know, he's somebody to drop dead on our
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watchs like, no, thanks, I'm out right that that seems
like a pretty straightforward decision. Yeah, I would agree, and
I do think the myocarditis issue was definitely a significant
part of it in August, and again there have been
more facts here subsequent to that that helped them kind
of understand and you know, and talking to coaches, I mean,
mircart iis is an issue with every virus, and my
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sister had it with the flu when she was ten
or eleven years old, and you know, the concern was,
is there a heightened uh success susceptibility to myocardis with
COVID nineteen And there was a thought for a while there,
you know that there was significantly higher and so you
have no doubt. I mean, again, we have five more
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weeks of information than we had been and some of
that information against some of that technology has pointed them
in a different direction. Um, okay, so now what's the
what's the season look like? Right? Um? There's not only
the eight games, but then the plus one the first
place from each division, but also the second third all
the way down divisions, Like what's your sense of what
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the season is actually gonna look like? Well, it's gonna
be intense. I mean, you have conference games every single week,
and of course that it's not exclusive to the Big Ten.
There are other leagues doing the same thing. It is
going to be packed pretty tightly. And I do think
we have to be honest and say that right now. Look,
it's not going all that smoothly nationally. We have a
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lot of games that have been postponed. At one point,
I think half of the games that have been scheduled
in FBS have been postponed. Now, hopefully again you're five
six weeks further along, you do have the better ability
to test. One of the doctors who was saying today
that this testing that they have really has a chance
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to detect the virus before you're even at a point
where you can transmit it. So I think that they're
banking on the this testing is so good that it
will lower their transmission rates as well when they do
have cases within their teams. But yeah, I mean it's
gonna be challenging. Do they get all these games in, Doug,
You know, I don't know. I mean we've certainly seen
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other leagues already struggle to get them in. But I
think they're going to give it a shot and we'll
see what it is. And I think whatever it is,
it will be better than where we were yesterday, which
was the prospect of not having anything really quickly. Dylan
McCaffrey is going to transfer. That was because and even
though his his mom, you know one, it was part
of the let them play movement. This is just a
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case of Joe Milton beating him out right. You know,
I don't know, I mean all the specifics of that.
Joe Milton is a really impressive physical quarterback. Uh, you know,
I haven't I'm not proving to their practices, so I
don't know. I mean that was kind of reading between
the lines. That was my guesses as to what happened there.
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But you know, again, I haven't spoken with Jim Harball.
I don't know the specifics of it. It'll be interesting
to hear kind of what Joe McCaffrey has to set.
Any word on people actually being in the stands, I
know how the state has changed those numbers. We have
one minute left when Ohio State kicks off. Any any
idea how many people will be in the shoe very
c I mean, the Big ten said today they agreed
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as a group. That will not be a public ticket sale.
So there might be family, you know. Whether or not
there will be bands, I don't know, but it's not
gonna be many people in the stands. Done great job
today on TV. Awesome job on our show. Can't wait
to see you back covering the games, David reb some
Big ten Network. Thanks for joining us. All right, thanks
my friend, good to talk to you. Happy New Year
to you, Dave. Doug Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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But that's after losing games five, six, and then seven
and having a lead at the half in all three.
So let's do the autopsy. What went wrong? It led
to the team who many people thought could win the
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know it's interesting, Um,
Kawai Leonard loses last night. I want to dive into
whether or not we should still consider him the best
player in the world where he's an all time great player.
Will do that up coming. Obviously he struggled late last night. UM,
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you know, and I'm gonna be I'm uh, I'm gonna
be super super interested to see exactly how we view
Kauai historically and how it ends like. This is not
this is not close to the last time we will
we will discuss Kawai Leonard. It's not the last time
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in which uh, we'll we'll start to explain his stats away.
They're not all gonna be negatives. First things first, put
this out in the Western semis, which is what he
lost in he averaged fourteen a game in the first half,
shooting fifty six percent from the field percent from three
in the second half, ten points a game on thirty
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one percent field goal of shooting twenty seven percent from
three in the fourth quarter only average five point two
points per game, twenty seven point three points per game
UH thirty three point three h three point percentage nine
of ten from the free fi line. Nick Wright said,
it doesn't look like a guy who's in contention for
the best player in the world. And I would say,
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based upon that series, that's accurate. Now it's it's also
fair to point out that he's a tremendous defensive player.
He had before last night's block by bam ade Bio.
The signature block of the quarantine was Jamal Murray going
into dunk on Kawhi Leonard and blocking it with one finger.
That did, in fact happen in the same series. And
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and the thing we gotta the statueet thing has just
gotta end. It just does. Don't get me wrong. Stats
showed you his game showed you he wasn't good. He
wasn't good late last night. But like again, this is
the if stats It wouldn't matters. Russell Westbrook before this
year had the three greatest years in modern basketball history. First,
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gotta every triple double. He's not, you know, James Harden,
great statistical offensive player, not a winner. Everyone in the
NBA would take Kawhi Leonard ahead of James Harden, even
though James Hardens a magnificent and a more talented offensive
score and passer. So can we still consider the best
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for the world? Yeah? Yeah, Now obviously Lebron, can I
guess take back that mantle because he'd be the only
one playing some of what we're seeing from Lebron. As
we told you, they benefited from the fact they got
two extra games off, game days off because of the protests.
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And this is where Lebron and his preparation and his conditioning,
he is, I almost think inarguably the best conditioned athlete
of all time. And now look Lebron, I point out
two thousand seventeen NBA Finals, he was bad in the
second half. And and and to anyone who follows me
and Nick right on Twitter, like, why are you bringing
up Lebron? Because it's like Nick has personally offended that
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Kauai was seen as taking his Mantle. I thought Durant
took the mantle, but I can't consider Durant the best
player in the game because didn't play this year and
I don't know what he looks like coming off and
a kill his tenant tear. And my hopes for Kawhi Leonard.
I wanted to see him on a collision course with Lebron,
have them guard each other and see what that looks like.
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Now we won't. It'll be Lebron's chance and they'll be
a prohibitive favorite. And oh yeah, by the way, like
who on the Nuggets is gonna guard Lebron? Yikes? I
I gotta see Michael Porter Jr. Guy like Michael Bord Jr.
Is arguably the worst. Now he's more of a bad
off ball defender. He's not very good on bo either.
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He's just a kid. But that one, that's the matchup.
I gotta see Lebron being guarded by one of the
worst defenders in the NBA, Kenny Bees. Is he an
all time great? Yeah? Like greatest player of all time? No.
And and my point when I had mentioned that is like, look,
you at least gotta bring him up if he was
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to win a second straight Finals MVP with a second
straight team. When the third franchise he one Finals MVP, then, yeah,
we got to discuss his all time greatness. Is he
a great player? Yes? Is he a two time finals MVP? Yes?
Will they be back? Of course they will first. Now
the Warriors are gonna be back next year. Let's see
what happens to the Rockets that. See what happens to
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the Nuggets that, see what happens to the Jazz. He
won't get easier, it'll just get different, probably harder. But
that doesn't one game or one series doesn't take away
from all that he's accomplished. That's why I'm not I'm
not a guy who goes in and points out Lebron
and the Mavericks. His first year, they started Joel Anthony
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at center, they started Mike Baby at point guard. Neither
were good enough. He didn't play well. It's inarguable it
wasn't all in his wasn't all his fault. It wasn't
even mostly his fault. Some his fault. A lot of
it was the make up of the team. And if
you remember that series, um remember that series. There was
some officiating because some questionable officiating as well, and Dirk
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was amazing and Jason Kidd was amazing. Yes, right, music.
So the whole idea behind Kawuahi Leonard was I know
that Greg Popovich mostly started the whole load management thing
with some of the older players like Tim Duncan, Tony
Parker and Ginobilee. And it wasn't like it was quite
letter and invented this thing. But we sort of explained
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it away last year because it was, well, it looks
like load management works because they ended up winning the
whole thing. And so now we find ourselves in a
situation where we always sort of explained away Kawhi Leonard
not being an everyday player during the regular season because
it would payoff in the playoffs. So how do we
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now balance if if he's not gonna always be contending
for a championship and he's only going to be playing
somewhere between sixty and seventy games a year, it feels
like you can't really have both anymore. Well, I think
here's the difference. Okay, keep in mind, when he went
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to Toronto it was a lot like when he was
in San Antonio. Both of those two places, their culture um,
their culture was was already established, right, that that's that's
that's inarguable. The Spurs already had a championship culture. He
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wasn't really a leader there. He was their best young player.
When he went to Toronto, they had been good for
a while, they had established a culture. They just didn't
have a best player, a guy who could be their
alpha and win them a game. So whereas when he
went to he goes to the Clippers. The Clippers had
to hit reboot going back a year ago, right, I
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mean they had, they had decided to reboot when they
trade away Chris Paul. They were trying to rebuild, and
then all of a sudden they came came upon the
idea and clear out space, build a good culture, adding
two superstars, Like, there's a good chance this would have
happened if Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving played with the
Nets this year. So I would tell you that I
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actually think it's explainable that it's so different between the two.
Does that make sense? Yeah, I just I guess I'm
saying that it's more so in the bigger picture of
because when you try to contextualize KWHI Leonard as an
all time great, a lot of times his and you know,
I know you're not always a fan of the ross stats,
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but like his points per game and things like that
are always down because we've always said, well, he doesn't
really take the regular season as serious because he's all
about just performing in the playoffs. And and it now
seems like it's that pendulum that swings one way and
all of a sudden it swings back the other way.
Before we probably cared a little bit too much about
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regular season stats, like you said, with like the Russell
Westbrook and getting triple doubles that don't really mean anything
because they're just volume stats, to where we completely discounted, Hey,
the regular season means nothing too. Now it's like, well,
does the regular season really mean nothing if you're also
not going to make it past the second round of
the playoffs, Like there has to be a balance there,
like if you're not gonna make the second round, like
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you might as well be playing seventy games a year
at least. Yeah. No, no no, listen, absolutely that it absolutely matters.
Um some I just I think that just the lack
of consistency in the regular season came back to bite them.
There's just no other way. And I would say not
playing that much, like there's just a natural conditioning to
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it as well. So I I'm I understand what you're
saying and that you have to be. If you're gonna
say the regular season doesn't matter. The postseasons all that matters,
and you come up short in the postseason, well then
your your season was an abject disaster. Fair um, But
I I would also tell you that this was a
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year that was peculiar unlike any other, and I think
there was some flaws in terms of what and how
they did what and how they did it right. Like
the lou Williams thing is an embarrassment. It just is.
Louilliams thing is absolutely an embarrassment. So the idea that
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it's funny or it's cool that he, you know, is
on some personal trip to somebody that he knows that
then he's got to come back and he's in quarantine
because he goes to his favorite strip club and gets
wings or whatever like that is just dumb and selfish.
And that's only showing that you're not completely committed to
winning a championship. I mean, like, this is what it
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takes in athletics. Athletics is about sacrifice. Do you tell
kids all the time, like, you know, you may lose
a friend over it, you may not get to have
a sleepover every I my my son loves to have sleepovers,
loves it. And I was like, yeah, here's the thing, dude,
you got a game early tomorrow morning. You can't have
a sleepover. You don't go to sleep, You get up,
you feel terrible, you get mad that I woke you
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up around the morning. You got early morning sport. You
don't play that well, Like, that's just not You gotta
give us some up. And they had some guys that
weren't willing to give those things up. They had some
guys that wanted to play. They had some guys that,
you know, whereas other teams seemed more committed, seemed more united,
and it it worked better. So yes, is this is
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this a loss for load management? Sure? Sure? And and
the truth about load management is we gave it a
bunch of credit last year, but they weren't gonna win
the championship if Kevin Durant played the whole series right
load management or no load management, and it was no
first year of no Lebron in the East. We gotta
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credit that some I think there's a lot to it.
But I am I my hopping completely off the Kauai bandwagon. No,
he was magnificent much of these playoffs. Uh and and
and not just in the Nuggets games, but in the
previous series as well. I will tell you, though, that
the untold story of Lebron this year is the quality
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of his leadership, the motivation of Anthony Davis, the his
ability to get everybody to buy into making this thing important.
Now with it kind of this is what you're talking about.
There should be some balance. He should take a little
bit of heat for last year when the thing went sideways.
That was his team. It may have been his first year,
but that was his team. And he wasn't when when
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he got hurt, He wasn't fully dedicated, drinking wine on
the bench of games like that's not acceptable. But he learned.
They adjusted the team, They added Anthony Davis, Magic Johnson
stepped aside. He got better, They got better. He bought
into making Anthony Davis believe that he was the best
player on the floor, and here we go and there
we go. Players don't always understand the mindset it takes
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to be a winner. One UH superstar clearly doesn't get it,
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Lip Shop Fox Sports Radio. Man, I was like that
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that game was Those games are so crazy last night,
so crazy last night. Um what I'm talking about Paul
George For a second, he struggled in an elimination game
last night. Playoff. P was now eliminated to P. This
is Paul George on his expectations before the season started.
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It is what it is. It's no cop out. The
fact of the matter is we didn't live up to
that expectation. But I think internally we've always felt this
is not a championship or bus year for us. You know,
we we can only get better. The longer we stayed
together and the more we're around each other, the more
chemistry for this group, the better. I think that's really
to tell of the tape of the season. We just
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didn't have enough time together. It didn't interesting. How much
more time could you possibly have had together? Again, I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and yell and
scream and not understand that there is nuance there. There's
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each has an individual story. Like I get all of that,
all of it okay, but I would I would also
tell you that you know, you look around and you're like, wait,
you needed more time together. This is the flaw And
what Doc Reverse didn't do. He didn't demand that everybody
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was there immediately. And I get like, when you're planning
on staying somewhere for three months, you're like, you know,
if you want to show up a couple of days,
like fine, whatever, we got things to work it out.
But you know, then the lou Williams thing happened to
kind of spoiled out of control. You had a couple
of injuries, you had some other guys have some personal stuff,
and Patrick Beverley is is away from the bubble, Like
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these guys come back in and now it's you're like
reast every time. You're trying to restart your chemistry. But
more time together. Who's that on? You guys are in
the bubble for the last two and a half months.
You need more time together. Um, And I understand what
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he's saying about the championship or bust I don't. I'm
not gonna misconstrue it. I think he's being raked over
the coals for it, which I understand. Like there should
have been a greater sense of urgency now Paul Georgie
is like, like, I'm not going anywhere. You know, Kauai
is not going anywhere. We're staying here. We don't plan
on leaving ever. Fine, but you don't get that many opportunities.
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He definitely don't get opportunities where you have the best
team or one of the two best teams like that.
Doesn't remember next year the Nets are gonna be talented.
Next year the Warriors should be super talented. You know,
you gotta assume that the Nuggets, whatever happens here, Jamal
Murray shouldn't get worse. He should get better. Same thing
with your kich continues. They're still in growth phase. Lakers
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gonna try and make moves and keep getting better. Right
Portland Trailblazer, Le's see if they can add another piece.
I just you and and Kauai were healthy. You guys
had a great chance, and it was It would have
been the first time when you could play the Lakers
and not play a road game, even when it's on
your home floor. So I understand what he's saying, but
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the way in which he said it sounds like it
just lacks any sense of urgency, which is clearly so
badly needed. Just he's he's a He's one of those guys.
He's smart, but sometimes too smart for his own good.
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Doug Otliep Show, Fox Sports Radio A lot to get
to Daniel Jeremiah Moved the Sticks. As the podcast, he
also calls the Charger games on radio. Let's let's start
with the charge they took on Joe Burrow. Um, what
what was your now that you you watched Joe Burrow
in person? What's your EVL of him as NFL quarterback? Well?
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I thought he got better, Doug as the game went along.
I thought it was an adjustment for him speed wise. Um.
I think just you go from l s U being
able to sit back there even when they were you know,
an empty Uh, he could, he could be comfortable in
the pocket and the charges made him very uncomfortable. Um,
so it took him a while. That's kind of adjustice speed.
I thought he got better as the game went along. Um,
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he does not have a huge arm, and that was
you could notice that out there. You know. He always
it's different when you have the college game the NFL game. UM,
So on the negative side, that would probably be the
one that stood out to me. But uh, you know,
I think the kids really really tough, and I think
he started to figure some things out as the game
went along. Yeah, I you know, I noticed that he
took one deep shot down the field to his tight
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end and badly overthrew it. And you know, I think
to some people that would be nerves. To me, that
would be a guy who doesn't have a great arm,
you know, trying to load up to to you know,
to to make sure that he made the throw. Um. Okay,
so how problematic is that arm strength in the future. Well,
you know, I don't know. I want to see more. Um.
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I just think, you know, there's some guys when the
ball just jumps out of their hand, you know, and
you see Kyler Murray um, and you watch obviously Mahomes
some of these other quarterbacks. Carson Wentz, we've seen him
come out like he's just that's not his game. Um,
his game is about anticipation in timing, and he missed.
He missed two deep balls. He missed one to to
a J. Green was wide open. Overthrew that one and
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overthrew one too John Ross, which both of them would
have been touchdowns. Um. So I think he'll settle in.
I don't. I don't think the arm strength thing is
gonna be you know, a major, major deal because it's
an anticipation timing thrower. But you know, it's hard to
It's hard with the lack of offseason. If you're an
anticipation timing guy. Um, that's gonna take a little while.
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Daniel Jeremiah joining us in the Doug Ot Live Show
on Fox Sports Radio. How long will we see Tyrod
Taylor's quarterback of the Chargers? Well, I mean, you know,
you know how much you know the organization, UM loves
Tyrod Taylor, and you you find ways to win games.
It's just to me, it's a very narrow path, Um.
And that's the challenge is that you know, you're gonna
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have to have your defense produce some turnovers, You're gonna
have to run the ball. Well, it's just you know,
play style wise, He's he's a he's a fishing. It's
just not explosive. And you know, this will be a
good This will be a good one this week against
Kansas City Chiefs because that game and all likely that's
gonna find its way you know, north and eight points
and can you produce twenty eight points? You know with
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this style, that's gonna be you know, that's gonna be
the the answer to how long we're gonna see Tyrod
before they go to Justin. Herbert Doug got live show
here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, let so let's
go around the league. Um, what do you think about
what Bruce arians said in regards to Tom Brady. Yeah,
I guess tough love, huh. I mean that's uh, you know,
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Bruce kind of always done that. I think it's almost
kind of a statement of of you know, sometimes some coaches,
as you know, they like to do that. They like
to single out the best player, you know, are the
biggest reputation and kind of call him out and then
it's kind of a it's a it's a message to
the rest of the team that that everybody can get this.
But man, it just seemed unusual for your first game
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where I think you kind of lower your expectations a
little bit. Hey, we'll get it, we'll get it. Going
to just to come out and uh kind of adviserate
your starting quarterback. That was interesting. Okay, So how much
of it is lack of timing, how much of it
is he's fitting into a different scheme, how much of
it is the Saints, how much of it is age.
If I was going to look at it, I would say,
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first of all, Brady the velocity was good. Um, he
moved around like he always had. I didn't notice any
noticeable difference there. His vision was not good. That was
what alarmed me a little bit, because he's always been
somebody that saw the field extremely well, did not see
the field well, did not make great decisions. Um. But
I tend to look at that as is more of
a one off with the Saints defense and how good
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they are. I think their secondaries as good as it gets. Um,
So I'm I'm I'm gonna reserve judgment on that until
we see them um and some better opportunities than the
one they had there against the Saints. But um, yeah,
that the biggest The biggest issue for me was not
you know, Tom Brady's lost his arm or Tom Brady.
You know, he's just old and can't move at all.
It was it was Tom Brady not seeing the field,
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and that should have nothing to do with age. Age
should be something that helped him in that regard. Doug
got Live show here on Fox Sports Radio. UM, okay,
I watched Philip Rivers and I watched him throw the
ball all over the place late and they lost a
close game. And I said, yep, that's Philip Rivers. What
do you think? Well? I think that, Um, I think
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you got you got something there that's uh up to
to refute. I mean, there's so much good it can
be with Philip, and it's been that way, you know,
was that way last year where you can have eight
goods and then just one head scratcher, and he's he's
hasn't been able to eliminate that from his game. It's
something he's got. He's got to figure it out. But
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I would say, if you'd told me before that game,
I think they threw it forty six times or forty
eight times or something like that. That was not what
I envisioned for that coach team and how they were
gonna try and play and win games. Um, that didn't
make any sense to me. I know Marlon Mack got injured,
but they have to change that formula. Philips not gonna
be able to take them where they want to go
if they're throwing it that much, that's just not gonna work. Nope, Nope,
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not not gonna work at all, does it? Ben Roethlisberger,
how did he look to you? Fine? Um? He has?
I mean he has, uh, you know that offense is
pretty user friendly for him, and and he doesn't have
to be, you know, dynamic and explosive. He just has
to sit back there make going to Ausian to take
care of the football. Their defense is gonna happen in
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every single game that they play. So to me, this is, uh,
this is kind of set up for the Steelers. It
reminds me of of Peyton Super Bowl year with the Broncos.
And I think Ben is in a better place physically
than Peyton was at that point in time, but I
feel like the threshold for what he needs to do
is very similar to Peyton that year. Um. I think
their defense is going to carry them a long way. Yeah,
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I I do as well. What about Daniel Jones? Now?
Year two? Offensive line still work in progress, Sae Kwon
Barkley gaib getting hitten behind the line of scrimmage. What
do you think of Daniel Jones? I liked what he did.
You know, if you take out one throw from that
game down on the goal line where he just he
he couldn't let it go, you know, and he get
Budgetupree hit him and ball popped up in the here
he gets picked. Um. Outside of that, I thought, you know,
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some of the things that he has that you really like.
I think he does see the field well, hangs in there.
I do not think they're great up front by any stretch. UM,
So they have a lot of work they need to
do around him. But if I was a Giants fan,
I actually feel pretty comfortable that that you've got a
pretty good guy you can build around. Calherd's bailing on
Sam Donald, should I I'm not bailing on Sam Donald.
(24:09):
I'm I'm I'm not feeling great about Sam Donald's success
in UM. Those are two different Those are two different categories.
I don't see with where they are right now, what
they have around him skill wise, it's not it's not encouraging. Now.
He missed, he missed, and he admitted that he missed
three or four throws early in that game. He's got
a hit. Um, But I just, man, there's just not
(24:30):
a lot of there's not a lot of around right now.
Some of that due to injury. But uh, you know,
I don't anticipate this being a very good year for
the Jets. And I imagine that, Uh, you know, they've
got all these resources in the off season, um, these
next two years with draft picks, um, and that's uh,
you know, that's where they're gonna have try and get
the team better. That the challenge is gonna be if
Sam doesn't play well, how do you separate between what
is Sam if you're the organization, um, you know, versus
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the surrounding. Because they the way it looked off one week, Doug,
they're gonna be picking a way up there and uh
and this is enough to be a very good quarterback year.
So that's gonna be it's gonna be a challenging one
for the Jets to figure out. Yeah, but did not
look if they believe in him, that could allow them
to move down and then you know they have so
many other holes to fill, just the lack of talent
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um that I mean, they're gonna need wide receivers, running back,
it's gonna need It's like a house, it's gonna need everything.
Like we got the quarterback. He's fine, Let's let's put
some dudes around. The question is he takes such a
beating and makes so many mistakes that he develops even
worse habits. Daniel Jeremiah, our guest on the Doug Gottlib Show,
Baker Mayfield is that fixable doesn't look good. And I
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don't understand that one because I think, you know, I
look at everything that's that he has around him. I
think he's set up for success. So there's no you know, Sam,
he's the opposite, right, Yeah, exactly with Sam. You know,
I don't want to absolve him or any criticism. He
didn't play well, but you can you can come up
with reasons why Sam did play well. Baker doesn't really
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have any reasons. When you look at what he has
around him, there's no reason why he should not be
more success usful. Um, And you know, look, it's I
want to overreact off one week. Let's let's give it
three or four more games. But he has got to
be a lot better than that. Um. Okay, Derek Carr,
what are your thoughts in his performance? He was fine.
(26:17):
I thought he was fine. You know. I thought when
they had to have big drive, the big drive at
the end, he stepped up and delivered. Um. I think
you know they had. Henry Ruggs got nicked up in
that game and missed a chunk of time, but you
can see the impact he had early on. They schemed
up a deep shot to him and he uh and
Derek was able to get it out there. So Derek
still gonna have He still has a little bit of
a conservative gene that shows up at times. I think
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it's frustrating, especially down on the red zone when you
want to see him just be a little bit more
aggressive and assertive. But um, I thought on the whole
he played pretty well. Um. I just don't think that
Raiders defense is gonna be able to be able to
hang with some of these high power teams that they're
gonna end up seeing this year. I just I don't
have a lot of confidence there. Why were the Cowboys
so bad on third down offensively? You know, I I
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went into it and I heard all the criticism of
Dak and I kind of went in with that mindset
when I watched the tape, and then when I watched
the tape, I came out of it and said, well,
you're these are a lot of third and long third
and twelve to twenties. Um, they pass protection wise, we're
not good. And they let the Rams play a very
physical on the perimeter with Jalen Ramsay, especially against Mariti
(27:24):
Cooper on some of those third downs, he just wouldn't
he wouldn't let go. Um So Dak scrambled, made a
couple of things happen there, came up short on one
of them. They end up converting the fourth down. But
you know, long story short, when you watch that tape, Doug,
I did not come away with that. I did not
agree with the with the amount of criticism that Dad
got for for the third down performance. There are a
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lot of other issues they got to clean up. Yeah,
but I mean, like, look again, at some point the
buck does stop there, right, Like we keep changing coaches
and coordinators. You've got dudes, and I know there's other
issues there, but how many times do we have to
see it against better petition to her? He goo is
at least either part of the problem part of the solution. Well,
(28:05):
I mean, I guess you can make the comment about
the competition, but I mean they have the number one
offense in the NFL last year. He's take him the postseason.
I mean, it's not like he's an unaccomplished guy back there. Um,
But I'm just saying in that in that one instance,
in that one game that was not that was not
great around him, that that injury the tight end is
really going to hurt them because he had gotten comfortable
(28:25):
with Darwin and they don't have another one. So um,
and Mary Cooper's gotta get off press. I mean they
let him play, Um, but man, you've you you can't
get tied up like he got tied up in that.
I just don't think Mary Cooper is as good as
his contract. He's he's a he's a nice play he's
a nice player. But yeah, but he was he was
so good when he came over from the Raiders, but
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the everyone massively overvalued him and like like you said,
he just got magnadled by Jalen Ramsey when they tried
to be when he's physical with him and the rest
of him be physical. Yeah. So I think he's a good,
complimentary player. I don't think he's he's a pure one
a receiver. I just don't. But um, you know they
they They're a very interesting team to keep an eye on.
I'm telling you that injury, let's see how it goes.
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But I think that's I don't think many people know
who Blake Jarwin is. Uh so they don't. That just
didn't even they didn't even register for them. That's a
big loss for that team. Yeahan shan Lee out again
stopped you heard it for? But Blake Jarwin starting tight end.
If I walk on an Oklahoma State an undrafted guy
who you know earn earned his way to a decent kind,
I gotta run the last thing. Uh. Injuries starting to
pile up in San Francisco and Jimmy Garoppolo doing those
(29:31):
Jimmy Garoppolo things. How concerned should we be? I think
keep an eye on the On the Kyle Shanahan press
conferses after games, you can see there's a there's a
healthy frustration there with with what he's getting at the
quarterback position. I think that's only gonna grow awesome stuff.
Daniel Jeremiah Moved the Sticks is the podcast NFL Network,
of course, covering the Charger games as well. DJ Great stuff.
(29:52):
Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks Doux, the pleasure
is all mine. Doug Olive show rolls on here on
Fox Sports Radio. Uh coming up next. Dave Revson from
the Big Ten Network joins us, how do we get
from no football to hey football? Next month? Find out next?
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(30:12):
the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports
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search f s R to listen live. Okay, let let's
welcome in Dave Revson, lead host for the Big Ten Network.
As the big announcement which was rumored and Rubert and
discussed yesterday leak yesterday frankly by the president or chancellor
at the University Nebraska, became a reality today. Big Ten's
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gonna play football in a month and a week from tomorrow.
And if you turn in the Big Ten Network, they
have an awesome crew. I do wonder if they're gonna
go around to all the training camps now as they
do every year. Dave Revson joins us, are you guys
gonna hit You're gonna get in on the bus tour,
You're just gonna do everything the studio. It has not
been presented to me yet, Doug. But my guests would
(30:55):
be that that we wouldn't do it just given everything
that's that's going on with the challenges are traveling and
getting onto campuses. But we'll certainly have exhaustive previews. I
do know that how does happen? Like you know, people
I started to discuss this, people just have such a
sinister view right where it's it's where it's political or
(31:18):
it's only about the money. And you know, I have
my own kind of view of why this took place,
you know, the reality of it. Why did this have
How did they go from we're not going to play
until the spring to you know what, let's play next month.
I actually think it's fairly straightforward. I don't think they
did a particularly great job of articulating why they weren't
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playing in the first place back in August. I certainly
wouldn't be the first to have that opinion. I think
a lot of people, frankly at the conference would would
probably agree with that too. But I really think it
came down to this. In August, they did not want
to put players on the field without being a percent
sure that they didn't have COVID, and they did not
antics to pay a world where they would be able
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to do that anytime soon. There were massive advancements in
terms of availability of rapid testing. It accelerated much more
quickly than they had anticipated. And now that they have
the access to the rapid testing that they can do
every day, the game changed for them. And they had
a number of presentations from their medical group which essentially said,
(32:24):
we're at a point where you can test every single kid,
every coaching you know, every guy in your coaching staff,
every ancillary personnel person who is going to be in
practice every single day, and you will have results on
whether or not they have COVID within minutes. And once
they had that information, they said, well, let's go forward
with that because that allows us to do both things
(32:47):
we wanted to do, which is making sure we don't
put our players in jeopardy and play games. And so
that really, to me is what it was. It was
an interesting comment. Today we had a press conference with
six different people who would all played a role in
kind of getting this back and what was Shapiro, who
was the president of North questern I kind of asked
him the question again. He said, had he quoted an
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economists who said, you know, I'm a looting to change
montinuon when facts changed, my opinion changes changed. It's roy
that that staightforward. They just had the ability to do
something they didn't have the ability to do before. This
is a side note. I wish politicians would say that,
don't you you know, like we do this this political season.
You know, we go back, like you know, twenty five
(33:29):
years ago you voted for you know, and they all
try to explain it away and just go like, hey,
look it's five years ago. It's a different world now.
Things are just different. I mean, there's so much like
you do. You remember twenty five years ago, there's no
cell phones, everything, our entire worldview was different. Anyway, I
appreciate that because I know it to be true. Right,
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Like we got more information at the time. There was
a freak out about the myo Kardiitish study, and you
know it was it was it was at least partially
if not come really debunked. But if you're sitting there
going we can't test everybody every day, there's a possibility
that some of the players, especially to everyone's can get myocarditis.
And you know, he's somebody to drop dead on our
(34:10):
watchs like, no, thanks, I'm out right that that seems
like a pretty straightforward decision. Yeah, I would agree, and
I do think the myocarditis issue was definitely a significant
part of it in August, and again there have been
more facts here subsequent to that that helped them kind
of understand and you know, and talking to coaches, I mean,
mircart iis is an issue with every virus, and my
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sister had it with the flu when she was ten
or eleven years old, and you know, the concern was,
is there a heightened uh success susceptibility to myocardis with
COVID nineteen And there was a thought for a while there,
you know that there was significantly higher and so you
have no doubt. I mean, again, we have five more
(34:53):
weeks of information than we had been and some of
that information against some of that technology has pointed them
in a different direction. Um, okay, so now what's the
what's the season look like? Right? Um? There's not only
the eight games, but then the plus one the first
place from each division, but also the second third all
the way down divisions, Like what's your sense of what
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the season is actually gonna look like? Well, it's gonna
be intense. I mean, you have conference games every single week,
and of course that it's not exclusive to the Big Ten.
There are other leagues doing the same thing. It is
going to be packed pretty tightly. And I do think
we have to be honest and say that right now. Look,
it's not going all that smoothly nationally. We have a
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lot of games that have been postponed. At one point,
I think half of the games that have been scheduled
in FBS have been postponed. Now, hopefully again you're five
six weeks further along, you do have the better ability
to test. One of the doctors who was saying today
that this testing that they have really has a chance
(35:58):
to detect the virus before you're even at a point
where you can transmit it. So I think that they're
banking on the this testing is so good that it
will lower their transmission rates as well when they do
have cases within their teams. But yeah, I mean it's
gonna be challenging. Do they get all these games in, Doug,
You know, I don't know. I mean we've certainly seen
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other leagues already struggle to get them in. But I
think they're going to give it a shot and we'll
see what it is. And I think whatever it is,
it will be better than where we were yesterday, which
was the prospect of not having anything really quickly. Dylan
McCaffrey is going to transfer. That was because and even
though his his mom, you know one, it was part
of the let them play movement. This is just a
(36:39):
case of Joe Milton beating him out right. You know,
I don't know, I mean all the specifics of that.
Joe Milton is a really impressive physical quarterback. Uh, you know,
I haven't I'm not proving to their practices, so I
don't know. I mean that was kind of reading between
the lines. That was my guesses as to what happened there.
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But you know, again, I haven't spoken with Jim Harball.
I don't know the specifics of it. It'll be interesting
to hear kind of what Joe McCaffrey has to set.
Any word on people actually being in the stands, I
know how the state has changed those numbers. We have
one minute left when Ohio State kicks off. Any any
idea how many people will be in the shoe very
c I mean, the Big ten said today they agreed
(37:21):
as a group. That will not be a public ticket sale.
So there might be family, you know. Whether or not
there will be bands, I don't know, but it's not
gonna be many people in the stands. Done great job
today on TV. Awesome job on our show. Can't wait
to see you back covering the games, David reb some
Big ten Network. Thanks for joining us. All right, thanks
my friend, good to talk to you. Happy New Year
to you, Dave. Doug Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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All right, coming up next, the Clippers lose Game seven.
But that's after losing games five, six, and then seven
and having a lead at the half in all three.
So let's do the autopsy. What went wrong? It led
to the team who many people thought could win the
(38:03):
NBA title. I hadn't win the NBA title. I did
to them now going fishing, booking trips to Cancun. We
dissect the body of the l A Clippers. Up coming
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