LeBron James Overshadows Kyrie Irving’s Greatness

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You'll be interested to hear what Ben Roethlisberger has to
say about his UH star running back not at O
t a s. Colin Cowherd had something interesting to say
about the Boston Celtics and Believe or Not. Though I
vehemently disagree with many things that Colin says, I agree
with him on the seas And Charles Barkley has spoken
out about about Lebron not being on Kobe's level. We'll

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get to all that, plus justin for set former running
back in the National Football League who famously said he
wanted to be out of the friend zone with the Ravens.
He's now in the retirement zone in the National Football
We'll talk to him about running backs, etcetera, etcetera. Upcoming
about ten minutes, said Sebolo is gonna join us as
we'll UH will continue to check on the Calves as

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last night they took down the Boston Celtics. They trailed
big in the first half. It was weird, like Lebron
James in full trouble. There's a couple of things that
like I I've said this before about Steph Curry when
he shoots, you're more surprised when it doesn't go in
than when it does go in. That that accurate, like
it goes up, you're like, Oh that's in. Oh that's in.

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And I know everybody wants to be the guy who
calls the shot in before the ball goes in, But
I don't know. With Steph Curry and a little bit
with Clay Thompson, it seems like they make such a
high percentage that you really do like you're more surprised
when it doesn't go in the one does go in.
That said, when when Lebron James got his fourth foul
in the first half and they're a mess, he looks off,

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the team looks disengaged. It's only Kyrie Irving who's doing anything,
and the place is dead silent. Did you think at all?
Did did anyone really think that Lebron James was going
to foul out? Like I felt like I felt like
Marcus Smart could have driven to the hoop in the
second half. Lebron James could have picked up a hack

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saw at home depot during the halftime break. He could
have chopped off at least one, maybe two of the
arm of Marcus Smart if he had his if his
fifth personal foul and not got the call, not gotten
call for a foul. So there was a little bit
of freak out unnecessarily so the freak out wasn't really

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over Lebron and foul trouble. The freak out was Lebron
still looked off as he did the previous night, just
to kind of quick point to be made. Do you
know me fouls? Lebron James finished within the game. That's
right for I don't might didn't mind him playing with three.

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I played for coaching college. It would you guy would
get a second foul. He's like, you get five, don't
you stop fouling? Right? You get he'd get his third.
He played guys with four in the first half. Oftentimes
coaches overthink things. It's fascinating that this came up yesterday
because Nick Wright and I were talking. There's a place

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called mos not like it's like named after the tavern
Mose from Simpsons on the campus at Fox at the
Fox Lot, and so we in between both of us
being on Cowherd Show, we walked over there. We're talking
ball and he's like, you know what they should do
away with They should do with any with fouling out.
I was like, no, they shouldn't. Like, yes, they should.
I was like, well tell me why. He's like, what

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they should way of fouling out, because um, isn't the
point to see who's the better team? Like, just make
it extra punitive, penalize somebody with a technical foul and
the ball if they foul out, if they go over
the sixth foul Mark. I was like, now there's a
whole strategy to playing with foul trouble. There's a difference
in how you play defensively, Like, I think there's an

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art to it. I think that's part of what makes
basketball basketball is there is an actual foul limit. Do
I think there's an adjustment that could be made for
college basketball because so many of these guys getting early
foul trouble because the refs are officiating so tightly in
big games. Absolutely, but some of that's on the officials.
Some of that could be adding a six foul. But

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I don't think that you allow guys to remain in
the game when they fouled out. Fouled out means you're out.
It's a very millennial way of thinking. Did you know
that in the web in Webster's Dictionary starting last year.
Under the definitions of literally, there is actually a definition
that technically means figuratively. Because people have misused literally for

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so long in generation whatever you want to call it,
Millennial generation, that generation X y Z, I don't even
know what it is anymore. That the Webster's folks gave
in and they changed the meaning of literally to mean figuratively.
That doesn't make any sense to me. That would be
like changing fouling out too. But you're now you're kind

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of out, You're not totally out anyway. I had no
doubt my mind that Lebron James would remain in the game.
I did doubt that he would be able to kind
of recapture and retune in and refine where he was now.
He dominated the game down the stretch. He was a
part of wenty of the last points, all in the
fourth quarter, and he looked like locked in Lebron. But

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make no mistake about it, last night reaffirmed what I
said last year. And look, if you didn't follow me
from the previous spot, I don't blame me. It's fine.
But I said last year before the playoffs began, the
guy who will become a seen as a star or
a superstar in this league is Kyrie Irving. He's the
best finisher I have seen a finisher. When people say

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finishing shots, they think like dunking. Okay, Vince Carter is
the greatest dunker in the history of the NBA. Period,
Stop Jordan's the greatest dunker for a great player in
the history of the NBA. Yes, I'm I'm adding things
to it. Vince Carter is the best dunker. But that's
not finishing shots. Finishing shots is can you go in

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there right hand, left hand jumping off the normal You know,
when you're taught basketball at a young age, you jump
off your left foot with your right hand, your right
foot with your left. You can't do that when you
get when you're six foot to six ft three, six
ft four, you can't do that when there's seven foot
skyscrapers in there. You gotta have creative shots. You gotta
use the board, you gotta use english, the spin on
the basketball, you gotta use deception. He's I haven't seen

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anyone do what he can do since Rod Strickland, which,
by the way, I have made that parallel for a
couple of years now, and I heard it last night
in the broadcast from both Reggie Miller and Chris Webber.
But it's more than that. It's the ability to, when
need be, take over a game. And though Lebron rightfully
gets credit for retuning and refining and refocusing not just

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last night, but last year in the NBA Finals, what
people seem to have forgotten is that Kyrie Irving not
only hit the big shot in Game seven, Kyrie Irvin
also carried them in the NBA Finals last year when
they were down three games to one. It's weird, right,
Like Kyrie had in game sixty one, in Game seven,

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twenty three, in game excuse me, in game six, in
Game seven, he had over thirty three of the seven games,
and he was the one who had the big shot
to win the NBA Championship. Yes, Lebron had the big block.
Yes Lebron made some free throws kid to captain deal,
but Kyrie Irvan went one on one, made the big shot,

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which is I'm not saying he's Jordan's but what Kyrie
Irvin has the ability to do is what the greats
of the NBA you have had a history ability to do.
Here's Brad Stevens on the Calves ability to win without
Lebron early they still have two All Stars on the
floor with the best player in the world. They go

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to Unreal, but there's still a pretty darn good team,
you know when those guys are out there and and
uh irving again end of the second, end of the third,
did some incredible things with the ball. And I think
it's more of a tip your hat kind of thing
with those two guys tonight. Yeah, like, hey, they're so good,
there's nothing and and reminder that when when they when

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the Calves lost the first two games of the NBA
Finals last year, it was Kyrie who was struggling. Like
people say that the Calves can't win when Lebron is struggling,
That's not totally accurate. Kyrie the first two games last
year in the NBA Finals was twelve of forty six
from the field twelve forty six, and he was averaging

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more turnovers six then assists five. Had more turnovers than
assist in those first two games. Here's kind of the
summation to take away. We're at this weird place to
where Lebron James gets all the blame when they lose,
but Lebron James also gets almost all the credit when
they win, so Lebron James defenders are like, hey, it's

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not all his fault when they lose. A matter of fact,
it's mostly everybody else's fault. But Lebron James defenders also
give an unreasonable amount of praise to Lebron when he wins.
It's like, you gotta have it. I'm gotta have it
both ways sort of guy. It's a thing that that
infuriates I think most of us about politics is that politicians,

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based upon the side of the aisle, can only see
things from one side, based upon whatever feeds their own narrative,
and can't see it both ways. It's not even I
use that exact same logic that those correlating arguments to
tell you that I think Kyrie Irving might be the

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best one on one player in the NBA. I'm not
the only one who said thinks that. Here's his coach,
very unstoppable. You know, Um, he's probably one of our
the best one on one player in the league. And um,
when you give him room and give him space, he
can get to anywhere he wants to get on the floor.
And we know that. And you know what, I think
probably the best owned ball defending the league is Avery Bradley,

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you know, and to take that challenge and you know,
to score you know, a few baskets like that, you
know against Avery just shows you how good and special
Kyrie is with the basketball because you know, not you
mean guys are getting around Avery and you know we've
seen that, you know, from the last four or five
six years. So um, that just shows you a special Yes, offensively,
could not possibly agree with you more. And it's weird

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like Kyrie Irvan this year in the NBA average twenty
five points. He averaged five point at six assisted game
uh two and a half turnovers was about what he
always averages. Shoots from the free throw line, shoots forty
from three, forty seven from the floor like six and
three rebounds for a point for a star. He is

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first team All NBA sort of numbers, but it's weird,
like when Steph numbers go down because he has to
share some of the spotlight and some of the shots
with Kevin Durant. We don't hold it as much against Steph.
He was second team All NBA. Like Kyrie Irving is
just as talented, just as dominant as Russell Westbrook. The

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only difference is Lebron gets all the blame when they lose,
but also all the credit when they win. Last night
is a perfect example of why that narrative should and
I think potentially will will will change based upon the
upcoming NBA finals. All Right, justin Forcett fought his way

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Kyrie had a career career playoff. I forty two points
going back last year in the NBA Finals, But how
about nineteen points in less than a five minute stretch

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thirty three and a nine team minute stretch. Oh, I
mean that was and the and the Calves did show
the ability to crank up the the defense in the
third quarters. What won them the game? Did the officials
start swallowing the whistle? Absolutely? It's almost as if you know, like, look,
I don't think that NBA games are the outcomes are predetermined.

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And my logic behind that is very simple. There there
are no more secrets, only facts yet to be revealed.
Nobody can keep their mouth shut anymore. And so if
it was the words were ever uttered, Hey you know
who we want to we have win this game, somebody
would say something. Somebody would say something. I know there's

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the Tim Doneghee out there. I'm telling you, if in
in in this era of the n b A, I
don't think you can. You just can't hide things anymore.
It's one of the reasons that I don't believe that
there's nearly as much cheating in college athletics as there
used to be, or as much as you think there is.
Why because you can't hide things anymore. Kid rolls up

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in a new car when he can't afford it, somebody's
gonna put it on Snapchat or take a photo and
set it out, send it out over Twitter. You can't
hide that stuff. And between text messages and uh emails
and tweets and snaps and all the different ways to communicate,

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if somebody were to say something, hey, I want this
team to win, we would know. We would know, like
we know we know a lot, Like if John F.
Kennedy was shot today, we would know who shot John F.
There's cameras everywhere now. Of course we still can't find

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out who shot Tupac, which that baffles me. I don't
really understand that. I know it was before the day
and age of social media, but it was in Las Vegas,
a place where more cameras exist in anywhere else. So
I just I sit there thinking thinking that, um, the

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outcomes aren't predetermined. On the other hand, in the in
the first half, when you see that kind of foul
difficulty and the you know, like the second half is
going to be officiated, the complete opposite of the first half.
When Lebron got his fourth foul, there wasn't a second
in my mind that I didn't think Lebron would not
be called for a foul the rest of the game.
Just like when the game was very tightly officiate in

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the first half, I knew in the second half it's
basically call your own fouls. If if you didn't have
a dislocated limb, or if there wasn't blood squirting out
all the court, they weren't calling a foul in the
second half. So I don't think that NBA outcomes are predetermined,
but I do think that there's the evening up of it.
Once they go into the half, those guys start sitting

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around the locker room going like, man, we might have
we might have called a couple too many in the
first half. Let's welcome to the guy who I think
These are the types of careers that I admire most
in professional sports. Justin Force, that was the seventh round
pick of the Seattle Seahawks kind of bounced around. Cut

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went to the Colts, back to the Seahawks, the Texans,
the Jags, and then really when he kind of made
his best mark in the NFL, it was with the
Baltimore Ravens. He has recently retired, He's kind of have
to spend some time with us members. Spent time with
the Lions and the Broncos justin force. Did you collect
gear from You have the gear from all the different
teams you play for? Yes, I have tons of gear everywhere.

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I have every I'm a hoarder. Yeah, I mean me too.
Write like you like anywhere you any stop you go,
you gotta get apparent like what workout short? To work
out short? Which is what's what's what do you have
most most of? Uh? I got a little bit of everything.
You know. When I got released, I made sure I
took everything out of my lopper so they couldn't have
it back. Justin Forcett joining us on on the Doug

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Gottlieb Show. How would you characterize your career? Oh? Man, Um,
it was a blessing. It was a story of an
underdog that that you know, for adversity, it kept persevering
and you know, that's kind of been my niche. And
like I've been released, I've been cut, I've been demoted,
but I was able to go out on my own terms.

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What moment hurt the most? How probably say the darkest
moment of my career would be in Jacksonville. I didn't
think that I was gonna get a chance to play
again after injuries and after you know, uh, you know
what happened to me down there, being demoted kind of
inactive a lot of the times and helping out on

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scout team, and I didn't think I was gonna get
a genother chance to play play the game again. And
then Baltimore call and then you know, turn everything around. Yeah,
you hurt your your your foot, right, didn't you? Did
you break your foot when you're at the end of
that run there? Yep, yep. At the end of the year,
I got a chance to opportunity to actually be on
the field again and play. And when I got right,
when I got my chance to to get the ball,

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I broke my foot on my first time getting the
ball in that game against Houston, and that was the
end of my time there, all right. So you like
you got a walking boot on, you break your foot,
they release you in March, Um, what's take me through
the emotions like the real because so often times I
think we as fans, we we we think about emotions

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in sports on the field, whatever the emotions of thinking,
like dude, I might have to go find a real job.
I might have to use my cow degree, like, I
might have to get out there and do something with
my life outside of football. To go from there to
the Ravens offering you that one year deal. What's I'm
sure you remember actually the phone conversation. What do you
remember most about it? Oh? Man? Just that time? It

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was It was real hectic. You know, I didn't know
I was actually filling out, um, you know, my my
resume when people were still taking don't even know if
people still take resumes anymore. But I was filling out
a job resume, doing some job shadowing, um, getting ready
to transition out. And then as he called my agent
and said they were interested. A couple of weeks later,

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they said they wanted to sign me, and the rest
is history. That actually having my my first Pro Bowl, uh,
and that that season and a lot of other great achievements,
and of course you put it out there you want
to move from the friend zone to the what relationships zoned?
And that like right right, like that of the things
that you're known for, that's probably the thing you're most

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known for in the NFL, isn't it. Yeah? Yeah, So
what's one of them. Man, I was in the friends
zone for a long time, but finally somebody made a
commitment and put a ring on it. So what makes
you decide I'm done, I'm washed. I got to move
on with my life. Man. It was just, um, you know,
last year was really tough, you know, been on three
teams in one season, picking up, traveling with my family.

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I remember the time when I was in Detroit, um
and I got released. I got that call and they
never said, man, we want to pick you up. And
I went down there. I had to leave my family,
which we had a place there with an apartment there,
and my wife, who was six months preying at the time,
and with my two boys, who were ages four and too.
She had to pack up everything with them and drive

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through a snoo snowstorm all the way back to Baltimore
to our house in Baltimore by herself. And uh, just
I mean that's some of the stuff you you really
never really hear about. But you know, it's just tough
on the family doing that, and I don't want to
have to put them through that again. And uh, you know,
phasically emotionally, and you know, I was ready to go. Okay,
but what about the idea of uh and I thought

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of this like I stopped playing basketball. It's twenty six
years old. I got in the media, but I just
the one. The only thing is, man, I want I
got a little guy now, he's eight. I wanted him
to see me play, and maybe it's better now because
word of mouth, like he thinks I was a lot
better than I really was. But you got two little boys.
Obviously your oldest is old enough to see a little
bit of you playing. Was there any like, Man, I

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can stretch this out a little bit. I can have
my boys really see me and have a snapshot of
who who I am? Yeah? No, I mean, you know,
thankfully to living a day and age of you know,
great YouTube videos and uh, you know, social media, so
they'll get a glimpse of it. But I wouldn't have
to stretch it out maybe three or four more years
in order to uh to pull it off where they
all can enjoy it. So, uh, it kind of was

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a no go for me, I understand, justin Forcett joining
us on the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay,
so what's the shower pill? When I hear shower pill,
I start to I'm like, wait, what's going on the shower?
What is the shower pill? That you that that that
that that that you're behind. Yeah, definitely. It's a company
I started a few years ago with two teammates and
when do you see Berkeley with where we are as

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a hygiene company, personal care company for athletes and active
individuals on the goal are. Number one product right now
is the body pipe. It's basically or essentially a shower
and the wipe So after workouts, after yoga, uh, you're
able to wipe down and get clean and not bring
those germs and back here into the car or wherever
you're doing. If you're running areans, you'll be able to
wipe down and take a shower basically anywhere until you

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can get to a real shower. Who's the most hygienically
challenged guy you ever played with? Who needs this wipe
the most? Oh? Man, I can't. I can't put anybody
stop that. So you everybody has, everybody has, every team
I've ever been on, has to be like yo, man,
you gotta you gotta, you gotta like your shower, your feet,

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your your feet eat stink, your breath stinks. You don't
shave enough you're not using like, oh no, you gotta
you don't need deodorant, man, it's natural kind of pheromones.
Like who's who stink the most that you play with? Man,
I cannot put my name on that. You know, there's
a lot of people that need to show our field
body wife, you know out there, whether you're a soccer
mom or whether you got that goes camping and hiking.

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So anybody could use it. Justin Forcett joining us in
the doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh
did we did? Do we lose him? Okay? Sorry, well
I thought we lost you for a second. Last thing.
You know, running back has become really interesting. It used
to be when we were kids, the running back was

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the signature player on an NFL team, right like you
you go back and this even before you were born
or before you came of agent playing like eighties and
really nineties, like the team was about the running back.
Now like look, Zekieli came in and wreck shop last year,
and you do have some guys that have gone high,
but a lot of it is running back by it.
What's what? What are your thoughts on the evolution of

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the position in the league today. I like the fact
that what guys get an opportunity. Hello, yeah, yeah, the
opportunity uh to Uh well, you know yourself has gone bad.

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Try one more time. You're saying you're you like the
fact that guys are get more. Guys get an opportunity
than yourself. Was kind of going on us. Okay, yeah, yeah,
I like the fact that guys are getting more opportunity.
But I think the position only gets the valued really
in free agency and in and in the draft. I mean,
our position is still needed. Uh you think about doing
playoff a championship time championship games? Aren't we talking about?

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You need a great ground game? So? Uh, those are
my thoughts. Could I can I just ask one other thing?
It's that it's this, It's that it's interesting what makes
you a star when you're a kid as a running
back is your ability to get the ball and just
you know, beat everybody and score touchdowns. But and again
you tell me you lived the life of a guy
who just had to make a roster. Isn't it more

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about like the things that we don't talk about, or
maybe parents don't understand or fans don't understand. Like you've
gotta be able to pass protect. You've got to be
able to know where you're supposed to be. Obviously, you
have to be able to catch out of the back.
Feel like running between the tackles or outside the tackles
is almost secondary in terms when you get to the
highest level, if you want to just get on the field,

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Is that fair? Yeah? I think so. I mean, you
gotta do a lot more, um, and you're more responsible.
You're responsible for more at this level. And for me,
that's the only reason why I was able to stay
for a long time, because you know, I was able
to excel in film, study, excel and those things that
pass blocking. Because at this level you've got to protect. Uh,

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you know, a hundred million dollar quarterback, you know in
front of you. So uh you know, it's it's high
premium on guys that can do it all. And um,
you know, the player and the coaches have to trust
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I like that. I like that I needed I got
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and I start looking around the studio going like, what
does that smell? And when there's nobody else in the room,
obviously the smell the smell as smells me. That's right.
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(28:31):
and enjoy your retirement and your beautiful family. Thank you
appreciate that. That's justin for set cal Berkeley, a lum
trying to get to that that phase two of his career. Yeah,
I get I get a little stank working. I'm not
gonna lie to you, right bill stank working. I have.
I have toothbrushes like all throughout my life. I got
it like in every bag just because I talk. When

(28:54):
you talk a lot for a living, like your best
starts to stink at some point, like you just talk
long enough. I got in my car, I get my car,
I already I have toothpaste. I brush my teeth. I
spit it out in this little cup like that's how
I roll. But I do. I could use that. I
got a little stink. Working every now and again. Some
of the stink you need to kind of right. You
don't always want to smell like you're fresh out of
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(29:39):
any Tiger Woods stock and my stock? I mean, like,
do you hold out any hope that he's never going
to be Tiger of ten years ago? Um? I will
say this about Tiger Woods when he had the Thanksgiving
Day I was termined as a car accident, but was
really his wife coming at him some golf clubs. Remember

(30:01):
where you were music? You don't remember where you are?
That's because you were like you were you were? How
old at the time you were? I must have been
about fifteen, so early in high school, midway through high school? Hm, Iowa, Sam,
how old were you? Um? That would be I be nineteen. Okay,

(30:23):
So the Tiger Woods car accident was let's see here,
it was in two thousand and nine, I believe right,
eight years ago. Eight years ago, Well, I was late
in high school? Were late in high school? Sam? Howld
were you? Actually? I was, Uh, Deb Carson, where where
were you when when you heard the reports of the

(30:45):
Tiger Woods car accident? Doug, I was right here on
the air at Fox Sports Radio. Okay, that's that's interesting
because I was getting ready to do halftimes over on ESPN,
uh college both via Feast week whatever. I remember walking
in and one of the studios there is actually in
um like where they where they edit things for all
of the shows, right, So it's like a working active

(31:07):
It's not really the newsroom, but it's made to look
like a newsroom, but we're really where they're editing things
behind you and uh, the editors. There's editors there, there's
highlight supervisors there, and they're like, hey, Tiger Woods was
in an accident. So we're like, oh, well there goes
our halftime shows. Right. Selfishly, You're like, oh, I mean
no halftimes, um, But I remember the first what was
the first thought you remember the first thought that came

(31:28):
in your mind? We just heard the car accident. Well,
the first thought you know, everybody was worried because none
of the details had come out. It's like he was
he was woozy. He supposedly had a head injury. There
weren't many details yet. Um and then obviously as details
started to come out over the next few hours in
subsequent days, it became much more of a soap opera
than they worried about tiger thing anymore. Had you had

(31:49):
you paid attention at all to the Rachel, you could
tell story like you personally had you known about it
before it became public, had no idea. Yeah, so I
just randomly like kay, I'll just sell myself completely out right,
So I like gross. My wife hates grocery shopping. I
rather enjoy it. I like to and and I'll also
be honest. I only buy things that are on special.

(32:12):
I literally will unless like steaks or whatever, like meats
fish like you can't. But if if I'm walking down
an aisle and something has like bonus by whatever, like
I'm I'm only getting that. So the other thing I
do when I grocery shop is when I'm in line,
like I'll pick up the National Enquired, I'll fiddle through
it like I don't believe it all to be true.

(32:33):
But I remember reading that Rachel you can tell story.
I was like, wow, they got a lot of details.
They're like if it feels feels like something's up there, um,
And I think the New York Post had written something
on it, which you know, they have their page six,
which is just a slight step above that of National
Enquire and so I but I didn't make a connection

(32:54):
between the two. Immediately I was with you. I was like, dude,
I do not want to be working at ESPN. The
day that Tiger Woods dies from, like a one car,
one car accident is almost always somebody was drunk and
ran off the road. Like I don't want, like, I
just don't even want to be around the place when
that happens. So then the details started to come out.
It's like, oh wow, this is a completely different story

(33:16):
than the way I saw it going. I used that too,
from the start of this of this portion of Tiger
Woods two point oh to all of the injuries, to
the his personal life coming apart to all of the comebacks,
And I've always remained a believer that he could still
come back and win at least the Master. Remember, as

(33:38):
bad as he was like the very next year, as
bad as it was body was, he still finished fourth
of the Masters. He could play that place blind if
he could just swing a golf club. So I always
and I was people like, well, at some point, you
get too old to play golf, like the things you
can't do. You can't be too drunk to fish, and
you can't be too old to play golf. So with
that in mind, I always believed that he could come back.

(34:00):
But the one caveat to that is when you hurt
your back, when you start having multiple back or next surgery, like,
you can't do anything in golf with the torque that
you have to you have to use if you hurt
your back in golf. But I still so. This is
the latest story which I know you've seen deb which

(34:22):
is Tiger Woods is rehabbing. He's he says, he's shocker here,
committed to playing pro golf again. He said this on
his website. I want to say unequivocally, I want to
play professional golf again. Presently. I'm not looking ahead. I
can't twist for another two and a half or three
months right now. My sole focus is rehab, doing what
doctors tell me. I'm concentrating on short term goals. Um

(34:46):
that he was asked whether he'll attempt to play the
Masters next April. I did everything I could I could
do to play at Augusta and was ready to go. Unfortunately,
it was kind of like the two thousand eight U
S Open, which he wanted to spite a fraction's leg
and a toward a cl The pain was was post
impact when I swung the club. I figure, can I
handle it this time? The answer is probably not. That

(35:07):
shows the effect of the nerve pain. So it's a
huge disappointment for him. He had this fusion surgery, and
other guys who have had fusions or disc replacements like
Davis Love, Ortief Goose and Lee Trevino, Landi Watkins Deadly Heart,
they have all come back. More than anything, it made
their lives better. The most important thing I can have
life again with my kids. So hey, Anyway, in summation,

(35:27):
I'm still a Tiger Woods stockholder. I know that stock
isn't worth much. But if you've ever had a stock
that at one point was worth a d and now
is worth five bucks, You're like, you know, what, what
the hell? It's not what? It's not worth selling? You
might as well believe that at some point you can
get back up to seventy five. That's where I am
with Tiger. What about you worst case scenario. You're gonna
eventually take a rite off anyway, so why not hold
on and write it out? Great point, great point. Guess

(35:51):
who just got paid? It's Rob Gronkowski. Maybe more more interestingly,
how much he's paid. You'll find out next. This is
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(36:42):
and uh you play today? Right? Well, Doug, let's take
a look here, we're gonna play. We're gonna play this
just got paid and just got paid is of course
Rob Gronkowski kind of got paid. He restructured his deal
for a more incentive laced d So we're gonna take
a look here, Doug. Based on his new restructured contract,

(37:04):
he could make a maximum of ten point seven five
million dollars. So I want to talk about that contract
at the top of the hour. Okay, So let's say
so ten points seven five mill is the max he
can make, which is our marker. Okay, So that's our marker,
and basically we're doing over under correct. So these next people,
got it? Do they make more or less? Lavy on

(37:24):
Bell Steelers running back? Well, he wants to. I guess
we'll find out if he gets an extension upcoming. I'm
gonna say under that he'll make less than Rob Gronkowski
in the correct correct, he will make twelve point one
two million dollars next season. You guys want to get
that phone. Who's calling? Do they know we're doing the

(37:45):
dug Out Leave Show right now? I believe they should.
I would, I would. I would. Guess that's like Ramos
just like, hey, I just want to be on the show. Um. Wow,
that's a lot of money. Of course, that's probably why
the Pittsburgh Steelers want to renegotiate signed extension so that
they put a bunch of the signing bonus and it
doesn't hurt them against the cap. He has no show
for O t As. We'll talk about that little layer

(38:06):
in the show. Cowboys wide receiver Dez Bryant more or
less than Rob Gronkowski. He got an extension a year ago,
so I'm gonna say less. I'm gonna say slightly less.
It's incorrect. Dez Bryant thirteen million next season, thirteen million.
Oka't remember when he signed the deal. He's considered one
of the top five wide receivers in the game. That's

(38:27):
not crazy. Wide receiver scene is more valuable than that
of tight end sticking to wide receivers. Packers wide receiver
Jordy Nelson more or less than Rob Gronkowski. I'm gonna
stick with less. This is like tails never fails, right,
you keep you keep going. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
go Jordy Nelson less. That's correct, but that was the
correct sound because he's earning less than Rob. I got it,

(38:49):
got it, got it? Okay? Eight point two five for
Jordy Nelson next year or Nelson. He has to regain
the form of two years ago in order for them
to be elite like he. They were. Some sign late
in the year and your first year off a c L.
You're not what you eventually will be, but I I
would guess this will be a big year for Jordy Nelson.

(39:09):
Let's take a look at Major League Baseball Giants picture
or picture. Who's now sidelined? Madison Bumgardner more or less
than Rob Gronkowski gotta be more just barely though, just barely.
Eleven point five million, just barely seems like he's underpaid.
How about college football head coach of the Ohio State

(39:30):
Urban Meyer m hmm. Urb Meyer's gotta be less than
less than because hardball was the highest bid coach in
the Big Ten. He was making nine mill although it's
not really nine mill. I'm gonna say less than less
than that as well. That's correct, only six and a
half million for Urban Meyers. Last one Laknas the actress

(39:53):
Mila Kunis. I'm gonna say more more than I don't
know what she's been in recently, but I'll just go more. Wow.
I was shocked eleven million from Milakoona. What what does
she do in twenty sixteen? What will she in? She
was in the Bad Moms movie and that mom is
just good? What she makes for like residuals on other stuff. Interesting.

(40:13):
I want to talk about that Rob Gronkowski. That's by
the way, what's in my sex? That was Scott leap sack.
Rob Donkowski gets a contract extension, but it's betting on himself.
We'll discuss next What got leave show Fox Sports Radio.
Let's talk some NFL. Right, everybody knows. Everybody knows how

(40:36):
this is going to end with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Eventually
they'll face the Golden State Wars. We can talk about
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to get to. UM saw these two things in the
NFL yesterday. Most of the world rejoiced because the group

(41:21):
celebrations and using a football as a prop and the
fun bunch type of stuff is back in the NFL,
not all of the world. Um So, Marvin Lewis came
out and said this when he was asked about the

(41:46):
touchdown celebrations being allowed kind of to be pre planned
and to evolve teams and to evolve the football as
as part of the celebrations. He said this, as they
passed the rules, Basically, we're saying all of the celebration rules,
so now players can celebrate groups again and basically do
everything that I've been on. I think that's we had

(42:09):
a good standard. And the whole stand has always been
you want to teach people how to play the game
the correct way and go about it the correct way,
and that's not a very good example for young people
again and said, this is a team game and why
we want to give it I don't understand. I want
to give in the individual celebration. The hardest thing to

(42:32):
do when you're a coach is give unpopular opinion. Right
because now Marvin Lewis like, well, look, you drafted Joe Mixon,
Like I actually saw that in three of the stories
that I read that Joe Mixon being in the draft.

(42:53):
Marvin Lewis is a hypocrite, Like what how does how
does one have to do at all? Like, look, let
me playing to you. Joe Mixon is the perfect Bengal,
not because of pac Man Jones in the off season
as some of the previous Bengals. The The Bengals are
bargain hunters. They always have been. And the reason that
you get bargains in the NFL draft is they got

(43:15):
something working against them. It is a cheap organization. The
Bengals are famous in the NFL for having the worst towels.
You're like what, yeah, Like they replaced their towels less
than any other team. Why because it's expensive. They were

(43:36):
the last team in the NFL to have their team
spend the night at the hotel for home games in
the NFL. Nobody they didn't do that. Everybody else doesn't.
You know, you spend the night, you have meetings, you
keep guys around, you make sure nobody goes out. It's
kind of a college thing that's become a pro thing,
or pro thing to become a college thing. I mean,
it's kind of lame to be totally honest, Like where

(43:58):
you where are you more likely to get a better
night's sleep at home or at a hotel. Oh well,
there's not the camaraderie like so, but that's what NFL
teams do, and the Bengals, in all of their cheapness,
their frugalness, we're the last team to give into that. Anyway.

(44:20):
There is no correlation between drafting Joe Mixon and a
coach saying, hey, we had a standard, we had rules,
and now of a sudden, the rules become a little
bit confusing, right because Antonio Brown was actually celebrating on Twitter,
celebrating the change in the celebration rule. Here's the problem.
Antonio Brown got in trouble and find several times last

(44:42):
year for twerking. Twerking is still against the NFL's policy
anything that's secially suggestive, anything that that mimes uh, shooting
off guns. So there's lots of things that you should
and by the way, like a high five is still
good enough, a chess pump is still cool. That was

(45:06):
always legal under NFL guidelines. But the biggest thing is,
and this is what so many people are in denial of,
what is the image by which you want to show
younger football players and younger kids. Yeah, I said it,
what about the kids? Everybody thinks that's a clown thing
to say, like, oh, what about the kids? Is but

(45:27):
I have a kid. I have a kid. He knows
all of the celebrations. Travis Kelsey is a friend. I've
had Travis Kelsey on a bunch of times. He knows
all of Travis kelsey celebrations. Because, like, you know, it's
even better if he would just only imitate all of
Travis Kelsey's awesome plays. Because Travis Kelsey, in addition to
you see the new side pieces gotch is an Instagram model.

(45:50):
Instagram model is basically Instagram models. Basically, I'm dating a
super hot chick who's proud of the face the fact
that she's hot, right, Instagram model model who doesn't have
a real job. I know you can get paid for it,
but if you say Instagram model, it's like, all right,
she's just really really hot. No, she's hot and it's
trying to use it to get a job. God bless her,
and she's beautiful. Regardless of which, um, I not only

(46:23):
whole hardly agree with what Marvin Lewis is saying. It's
what baseball players say and get ripped for. It's what
NBA at front office people say, and if you say
it publicly as a coach or as an owner general manager,
you're seen as somebody who's somehow trying to uh, you're
somehow trying to you know, quiet the new generation celebrate.

(46:46):
Like there'll be people who say that Odell Beckham Jr.
Who signed the largest deal for a football player with
Nike in the history of the NFL yesterday, that the
reason Odell Beckham Jr. Is getting his deals because the abrations. No,
it's not. It's because of the catch with one hand
in the end zone against the Cowboys. I know every

(47:08):
little kid tries to imitate that catch and because of
the plays he makes. You're not more marketable because of celebrations.
You're more marketable because of the plays that you make.
Period stop. There's nothing wrong with the organic celebrations, nothing
wrong with group celebrations, but the idea that the NFL
is like we're relenting the public pressure because we're meanings

(47:29):
for putting some sort of bar of Hey, you know what,
we don't care if you celebrate, but let's not thrust
our lower intestinal area in the face of America. Like
that's not really asking all that much. There should be
a certain class a certain decorument. You should kind of
act like you've been there before because you're playing the

(47:51):
Nation Football League, you have and oh yeah, by the way, yes,
kids imitate everything you do, so I'm kind of on
team Marvin Lewis with it. By the way, Roger Goodell said, well,
I've heard from Marvin before. We've had these discussions over
the last couple of years. I think players will prove
him wrong on that. I think players will prove that

(48:12):
this is a way to be responsible, show good sportsmanship
and do it in a way which is entertaining but respectful.
Good luck with that. Okay, we'll see, Roger, we'll see.
I thought this is the most fascinating thing that will
be the least discussed thing of of the off season.
In football. Rob Gronkowski has has gotten a newly reworked,

(48:37):
restructured deal with the New England Patriots. He was badly
underpaid and he is in fact the best tight end
in football when healthy. But here's the problem. When has
he actually been healthy? Wednesday? Actually been healthy? So Gronks
new deal, which was which was done by Drew Rosenhaus,

(48:58):
could be worth ten point seven five million dollars. Now
he'd have to play of the snaps um or have
eighty eighty catches. Excuse me, he'd have to play nine
percent of the time, have eighty catches receiving yards or
being all Pro. And by the way, it's really hard
to be an all Pro unless you play the snaps. Now,

(49:20):
if he doesn't reach those markers and he only plays
eighty percent of the time and he has seventy catches
a thousand yards, he'll get eight point seven five million dollars.
If he plays seventy percent of the times, sixty catches
eight hundred yards and has only ten tds, he gets
six point seven five million dollars. Here's what you need
to know. He only played seventy percent of the snaps

(49:41):
in two thousand fourteen. He played eighty four point two
in two thousand fifteen. Of course, did not play a
snap in the postseason in sixteen and played only thirty
one point five percent of the snaps in sixteen. This
is Gronk signing a contract extension or a rework restructured
contract that is betting on him health to stay healthy,

(50:02):
and he's never stayed healthy. He hasn't played a full
sixteen game season since two thousand eleven. He's twenty eight
years old, which would be your prime for anybody else.
But he's had two back surgeries. He's at two a
c L surgeries. Like, that's not his prime. So he's
missed thirty of the team's last nine games over the
past five seasons. And Rob Gronkowski is signing a deal

(50:24):
that's based upon player performance and how many games he plays.
That's ludicrous. That's a terrible negotiation by Drew Rosenhaus. And
if you want to tell me, well, it's because you
know they won the Super Bowl without him? Fine. Do
you want to tell me it's because he's under contract, fine, Like,
all Rob Gronkowski has to do is be willing to
sit out any amount of time with the Pats. What

(50:47):
are they going to do? Like you think Tom Brady
doesn't want the best tight end in football to be
well compensated. This will be champion as Gronk finally getting
his pay. But to me, it should be championed as
the Patriots owning, absolutely owning Drew Rosenhaus in this negotiation.

(51:07):
It looks good, but the likelihood is that Gronk ain't
gonna play the Stamps. And if he does, the numbers
will be so obscene. He'll be worth all that money.
And isn't it interesting that everybody can will concede that
he is arguably the hardest matchup in football. But instead
of and this was the old Jimmy Graham argument when

(51:29):
he wanted his new deal, instead of being evaluated against
wide receivers, he's being evaluated against tight ends. Remember this money,
ten point seven five million would only make him the
highest paid tight end in the history of football, not
the highest paid wide receiver. And yet Rob Gronkowski is
a harder matchup than virtually any wide receiver in the
National Football League. Oh yeah, and he helps you in

(51:51):
pass pro and he helps you in run blocking as well.
I think he's still underpaid. And I think this kind
tract is wildly in favor of the paths. You know,
we're gonna do here music, what's up? We're gonna let
you explain people express them I can express myself. You can,

(52:12):
you can express yourself. Iowa, Sam, you could express yourself.
Deb Carson, you can express yourself. And of course American
express themselves. Is it me or does Lebron's greatness and
sometimes Lebron's inaptitude overshadow Kyrie Irving, who's just as good
as any of these other elite point guards that play
on their own teams and yet don't accomplish championships. That

(52:35):
is a topic. You got the NFL celebration where the
NFL is like, all right, let's see if you guys
can keep it clean while celebrating, and Marvin Lewis is like,
we were fine the way we were. Uh, your topics,
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(55:09):
you're on the Doug Gotli Show, Fox Sports Radio. Mr
gotlie thank you for taking my call. Mr gottlieb was
my late father, but thank you. Okay, cover of quick things,
let me touch on the quick things first. I'll try
to make this whole thing quick. Yes, Lebron is going
to overshadow anybody because he's the best bastball player on
the planet. That's to be expected. Kyrie gets his love
when he deserves it. Today he's getting a LOLLA, so

(55:29):
that's that's done over with. He's got a provig can
stay healthy, I'm sorry, before he can get that kind
of a contract, the guy hasn't proven he can stay
healthy because he's a meat hit. Okay. Now, my my
biggest thing I want to touch on with you though, Okay,
the celebration thing people, and you have to remember, yes,
I want my kids seeing that. I want my kids
to see that it's okay to have fun because it's

(55:52):
the game. If you make a great play, yeah you
can do a little celebration or whatever, and that's okay.
It's a game. They never but but Paul, they never
appreciate the call that they never said you couldn't celebrate, right,
It was just it was when they were over the top.
And look, I understand that using a football is a prop.
It's like, I don't know why that's such a big

(56:12):
deal or the group celebrations. But it's the idea of
pre planning something out like that cheeseball soccer stuff. Dude,
you score a touchdown, you can go give a chess
bump to a teammate, you can go hug somebody, you
can have a good time. You can go do a
backflip if you want. It's the idea of okay, hold
on every places, everybody, Okay, now you fall down. Then

(56:33):
you fall down, and you fall down, then you fall down.
Now we all get up and shake our head like
like it's it's just you're You've always been allowed to
celebrate making a great play. The problem is that the
more you kind of lower the bar, the lowest comm
denominator comes into play. Derek and Scottsdale. You're on the
dug Outlip Show. Your thoughts on Gronx contract. Oh yeah,

(56:55):
it was about when Colin Cowherd had one of the
sigments when he was talking about how this incentive lating
contract would increase the probability of players hiding their concussions.
But um, he I think he misread the contract. It's
not a it's not an all or nothing contract where
if he plays the plays and he gets seventy catches
and he gets a thousand yards, then he gets this.

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It's if he reaches one of those milestones, which is
actually a perfect kind of contract for the Patriots, and
it's not going to increase the probability of players hiding
their concussions. You don't think so. I mean, in order
to accomplish these things, you have to be on the
field longer. Like again, it's a little bit of a
reach of what Colins saying, but like in order to
be in a Pro Bowl, in order to accomplish any

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of these goals, you've got to be on the field longer.
And you know, if there's a two or three or five,
and there's a five million dollar difference between levels of
the contract. Wouldn't you play through a concussion? If that
you know, all you gotta do is get through the game,
make a couple of catches, not put yourself a concussion
protocol where you might have to sit the next week.
I actually think that's a that's a reasonable correlation, don't

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you well. I think I mean reaching ten or twelve
touchdowns with as much as attention that Brady gives Gronk,
I think he could do that in a half a season.
So I mean he can average one or two touchdowns
a game pretty easily with as much as Bradie likes
to go to gron So for for this offense, I
mean for most players, I think that's true. But for

(58:21):
for Brady and gross connection, I don't think he has
to play as much as people think. All right, so
here's what we'll do, and I appreciate to call it
Derek Lean. Let me just do this really quickly, Okay.
Rob Gronkowski has had double digit touchdowns five of his
seven seasons in the NFL. Ten his rookie year, seventeen
his second year, that's when he had his best ads.
He had well targeted. He had ninety catches in the year. Then,

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of course, an injury plagued two thousand and twelve when
he had eleven, he had four. When he had all
those injuries in thirteen, Right, that's when he was too
hurt to play in Super Bowl and he was dancing
in the Super Bowl. Uh, he had twelve, he had eleven,
he had and then he had three last year injury
plague season. So the idea that he can do it
in his sleep sounds great, sounds really good in the radio,
and you're like, yeah, he's the best, but the stats

(59:06):
would tell you that he's done it before. They've added
more pieces around him now, Brandon Cooks, for example. I
think he'll I don't think he'll be vultured by Brandon Cooks,
but they now have a deep bet they haven't had
in years. But the idea that it's just easy, it's
not like he's been getting fifteen twenty touchdown seasons throughout
his career. Chris and Louisiana, you want to talk to

(59:27):
some Lebron you know, do we lose Chris? All right?
I don't know what that sound is, Chris, but go ahead. Now,
the whole issue with Lebron you gotta think that this
is a team sport. I don't know why they're they're
dog and just Lebron for having a bad game. You
still got four other people on the floor. Yeah, but
he's not being compared to just any other guy. And

(59:49):
when the best player in the world, you know, doesn't
doesn't pe a drop the last sixteen and a half minutes,
it's obviously going back to game three like oh of
four looks like just to look on his face, his
body language, his lack of desire to shoot a jump shot. Look,
last night he regained his confidence, but he didn't have
it in the first half. We're not judging Lebron unfairly

(01:00:13):
in any way. And you're like, well, they didn't do
this to Michael Jordans. Yes they did. Jordan was written merciful,
mercifully when they couldn't get past the Pistons. Everything he
did was judge and was balanced against that of Larry Bird,
that of Magic Johnson, that of the greats previous to that. Now,

(01:00:34):
the noise didn't sound as loud because there wasn't as
many different It wasn't daily TV shows, it wasn't sports radio,
but the games were much We're watching at a much
greater rate, and the focus was always on George. Yes, Ryan,
I want to go back just a second to the
Rob Gronkowski thing. Everyone you you were just talking about

(01:00:55):
what the caller about, Like if Gronk is gonna hide
injuries in order to meet those bench marks. Is there
any coach in the NFL other than Bill Belichick that
you would doubt would see him on the cusp of
an incentive and sit Rob Gronkowski. So I'll do it.
They would all do it. They will all do it.
And we talked about the Bengals being cheap. The Bengals

(01:01:17):
have kept guys from getting asked any player in the
Nation Football League. And the problem with incentive laden deals
is he hit a week, sixteen, weeks seventeen, and you're like,
and suddenly they'll try and play younger players. They we
don't want to get you hurt, We want to keep
you ready for the playoffs. They absolutely, absolutely will all
do it. That's that's the business of the sport, which

(01:01:38):
is that's the danger in incentive laden deals. Now, if
you want to go like, is he helped like I
would have done if I was if I was Rosenhouse,
I would be very cautious of overall stats like the
ninety catches that would freak me out, and of of
percentage playing a percentage because like, look the paths. I

(01:02:00):
believe they have the highest over under in the history
of the NFL. Didn't we go over that a couple
of weeks ago. It's like a it's like thirteen and
a half. As they're over under, the expectation is that
they're gonna dust off teams, and with Rob Gronkowski's previous
health issues, it's very possible, if not even likely, he
doesn't play weeks seventeen. Allison, you're hurting your percentages well.

(01:02:21):
And also, don't forget one of the things that you
talked about was all of the trades that the Patriots
did at the draft. They got Dwayne Allen also as
a backup tight end, So you talk about someone who's
at least somewhat talented and could very well step in
for Rob Gronkowski. Or if they go to tight end set,
they want two tight end sets that they want. They

(01:02:41):
wanted so that you can't just just double team like
he's still the primary focus of what they want to do.
They gotta put guys around him. What's interesting to me
is how Look, there's not a ton of wide receiver
like people do think there's this litany of wide receivers
that make a ton of money. They're really not. Antonio
Brown's new deal seventeen million year, Hey, Jay Green's fifteen.
Julio Jones is fourteen, which seems like a bargain considering

(01:03:04):
how good Julio Jones is, da Marius Thomas's fourteen, Dez
Bryant's What's interesting is how big, big part of an
offense a tight end is, and yet how wildly underpaid
so many of these guys are. Like, I love des Brian,
I think he's worth it, but I think Jason Witten

(01:03:25):
has been just as valuable. Like you, It's really hard
to compete without a guy who down the middle of
the field. You have to double team. It's it's weird
to me that the NFL is still caught up in this.
We will evaluate your value based upon position, and if so,
isn't the isn't the tight end a position that's more

(01:03:46):
valuable than it has ever been as opposed to wide receivers,
especially secondary wide receivers seem to be much more replaceable
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Sport Trader. You guys see this story. Um, the guy
who trains the rock Chloe and Kim Kardashi and Kate

(01:04:30):
Beck and sale Ciarra, Antonio Brown and Russell Wilsons. So
there are some athletes. Gunner Peterson is going to be
the director of Strength and Endurance for the l A Lakers.
It sounds like a winning formula. All those people are
successful and in shape. Uh yeah, yeah, I don't. I
don't love it. I'll be honest with you. I don't

(01:04:52):
love it. I think that's a very l a thing
to do, very very very l A thing to do. Um.
He's a only eight year old, twenty year veteran of
the fitness industry. He's worked with athletes in all sports
and they went out and said, hey, we're gonna go
and get the best of the best, and like, look,
the Kardashians obviously drump at ship, so's the rock. My

(01:05:14):
thing is like, I want guys that know. I want
somebody who who is their sole focused and the base
of their knowledge. The greatest base of their knowledge is
in basketball. I don't I don't love it. I don't
even like it. But it's a very l A thing
to do, right, That's the l A thing. That's that's

(01:05:35):
how it works in l A. It's like, oh, he's
a really good personal trainer. Who does he train? Like
that's how you get the gig? Like I don't really,
I don't really want that. I want somebody who fits me.
It's ah like he if it doesn't even have to
do it, like I know a lot of people like
you hear Kardashians and you go running for the hills,

(01:05:56):
not not the hills were in Calabasas, and not the
hills in the Guna Hills where The Hills was filmed.
I'm just it's the expression headed for the hills. I
just I don't want trainer of the stars being the
trainer of my guys. I want to go and find
the best, the absolute best. Find me somebody who took
up hud and made him into an athlete, Like the
Rock looks great. First, I'm guessing the Rocks got some help, right,

(01:06:22):
Like we've all come on, man, we've all seen photos
of the Rocketies in college. Like when you're college, you're
kind of in your you should be in your athletic prime.
And like, how old's the Rock? Now? I don't agree
with that? What do you don't agree with that? I
think that maybe in terms of being an actual athlete. Yeah,
that's what I'm talking about. Well, I mean I think

(01:06:42):
you certainly between the age of like to thirty is
when you can be in your prime. Of like what
the Rock is doing in terms of putting on both
he's he's forty five. Do you think the Rock is
l not if you had, if you had, if you
were a betting man, I would not bet that he is.
I'll not your ol okay, And like I get it,
Like the Rock has uh, he's got some like his

(01:07:06):
his background is in terms of ethnicity, right, he's is
he part? He's he was? I think he was born
in New Zealand. Deb Are you are you a buyer
into the Rock as being a natural I do not
believe they test for pe D S in the in
filmmaking as far as I know, No, I do not
believe that he is a natural. I think he's an

(01:07:28):
amazing shape. I think he's in great shape, and he's
got his own gym. Like I'm not saying, I'm not
questioning whether the Rock works at it. I'm just questioning
whether or not he gets any help at all. Oh. Sure, yeah,
he has to get some help. He was born, by
the way, I'm looking at his page Hayward, California. Okay,
it's Oakland. Yeah. Ok. But like is he's like part
is he parts samoan um I? He had said Polynesian
of sort. I'm not positive Anesian dudes are big man

(01:07:50):
that naturally big actually, and and if they you know,
it's all about diet in terms of staying fit. Um. Yeah. Like,
I'd love to believe that the Rock is l not
trawl and he's he is. I mean, he's really America's
biggest box office star now. And what's weird about the
Rock being America's biggest box office star? And I hate
to get on the on the off of this rock tangent,

(01:08:12):
but he has made a lot of crap movies and
yet somehow he has continued to elevate his status in Hollywood.
Have you noticed that, Like, go to his IMDb page
and do you do you know the movies he's made,
He's allah Arnold Schwarzenegger is what he is. I mean
the movies aren't always great, but but he's a superstar
except that he's made a lot of cute kid movies too,

(01:08:33):
hasn't he The cute kid movies is what is what
really kind of gets you into warm pupil starts. Uh,
he's fast and Furious as also you know, you win
the you win the millennials with Fast and the Furious,
which and now he's in the new Baywatch And if
you've been to any airport in the country, he that
Baywatch is being advertised more than anything. Are people going
to go see that? Uh? Yeah, you know why because

(01:08:54):
women want to go see the rock and guys are
gonna want to go see and uh, who's the other
what's his name? The other dude who's in? Uh zac Efron. Also,
zach Efron's not Come on, dude, he's getting a lot
of help. Zac Efron went from and some of it
is zach Efron still in the window of age to
which he could buke up his body, but he got

(01:09:14):
really big, really fast. But he's also five eight, so
it's like that com the compact buff little buff dude
with short arms. Molanna was probably the rocks greatest film.
Ballers is bad. I don't care what anybody says, like
like Ballers is a Ballers is a a TV as
a cliche of every every cliche ever in terms of

(01:09:36):
agents and athletes whatever. There's some interesting stories in there. Uh.
San Andreas horrible, horrible, doesn't matter, It doesn't matter. He's
been in bad movies outside The Fast and the Furious,
and yet you know he's the tooth Fairy. That's right, Okay,
See that was one of the cute kid movies. He was.

(01:09:58):
He was a voice in to Mona was good, but
that's you know, he's physically I hate this Gunner Peterson thing.
I'm like, what are the lay I want to cut?
What were you saying passive with the pacifier? No? Uh
Iowa Sam was telling me that the pacifier, which I
don't know. The Scorpion King he was actually uh he
actually in his byline he was the Rock. He wasn't

(01:10:18):
even Dwayne Johnson and it The Mummy Returns. He was
in he was in Using a Little Star trek Uh. Yeah,
pretty pretty remarkable career that you can't point to one
really good movie that he was in. No, but he's
got the likability. He's gonna it's all like, it's all likability.
He's great looking, he's incredibly impressive and uh he does
he does have He has a genuineness about him, which

(01:10:41):
is ironic because it seems really hard to believe that
it would be genuine how he continues to build his
body keep his body like that at forty five. Maybe anyway,
I don't I'm not a big fan of the let's
hire trainer of the stars to train the Lakers. That
is the most l a thing ever, What do you train? Sure,
I'll work out with you. I'll pay you five to

(01:11:04):
work out if I can get Kim's. But that's exactly
what I want. Ben Roethlisberger had this to say about
Levy on Bell. Now, look, he was asked to be honest.
He was asked if it would be nice if Levyan
Bell made an appearance at O T A S. So
this wasn't Ben Roethisberger, who has been known in the
past to just go off on tangents and say things

(01:11:26):
about Um you know Haley his his offensive coordinator, or
about other players on his team, or about the coaches
and lacking discipline in those things. So he was asked
a question. But I also would tell you that the
relationship between most media members and Ben where Steelers and
the media in Pittsburgh is I don't think they would

(01:11:46):
have asked him a question unless he wanted to be
asked this question. Don't you understand what I mean? So
here was his response about Levyan Bell not being there quote,
I'm not worried about the chemistry, but I wish he'd
be here because he's one of the pieces to our puzzle.
I know he can't participate because I don't think he's
a d percent. Remember Levian bell Um I had a

(01:12:08):
had an injury at the end of his which summarily
ended his season, So I don't think he's a healthy
but it would be nice to see him here just
in terms of the chemistry and learning to be part
of the process. But obviously it's up to him. I
don't like Ben Ross for saying the chemistry will be
fine and then pointing to chemistry is a reason that

(01:12:28):
Levian Bell should be there. Is the definition of talking
in circles. But remember, Levyan Bell is waiting to find
out in July whether the team will sign him to
an extension or make him play on the franchise tag,
and Big Ben's like, hey, dude, you should be here
to be part of the process. This is the easiest
out ever for Levy On Bell. Nobody thinks he has

(01:12:51):
to participate whether or not he is or isn't healthy.
They're not gonna make him run through drills. They don't
want him to get hurt when he doesn't have to.
All he has to do is show up for a
little goodwill and he does not see I I just
I think that's a that's a mistake. Like we're gonna
do something Monday. I don't know whether I can announce
it yet, but I'm gonna do a little bit of

(01:13:11):
TV for FS one and do radio here. I'm not
gonna we'll we'll tell you if it becomes a reality.
I don't know if I can announce it, but I'm
gonna announce it. No, no, no, I'm not telling people
exactly how we're gonna do it. But the idea is like, look,
I'm thankful for the opportunities. I'm getting TV side, and
of course to do the show on Fox Sports Radio,
and so I'm away from my family on a moral

(01:13:34):
day Monday. I think it's an important time to do
a radio show because people are gonna be heading back
from the lakes and rivers and beaches wherever they are,
and whatever's kind of asked of me, you do it.
Why I'm not getting any extra money, I don't get
any extra days off. You do it because it's a
little bit of good will. That's what Levy on Bells
should do. He wants a new contract. He deserves a
new contract if he can stay off the weed and

(01:13:54):
stay healthy. The guy is as dynamic running back as
there is the National Football League. Nobody's asking you to play.
We're just asking to show up and just nod your
head and be part of the process. I actually think
that Ben, even though he's talking in circles, is saying
everything that you need to know about why Leban is
missing an opportunity to show a little bit of goodwill,
hoping that the Steelers do the same. What did the

(01:14:18):
Fox say earlier today on Fox Sports Radio. You won't
believe what Colin believes. The Boston Celtics should do in
the very near future. We'll share it with you. Next,
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(01:15:00):
And I'll tell you whether I agree or disagree with
Chuck Uh. This is the best lineup in national sports
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Colin Cowherd. We like to bring back for you something

(01:15:21):
that was said and react to it from earlier on
Fox Sports Radio. We call it what did the Fox Say?
And now Colin was talking about the Boston Celtics, who
gave away a big lead though continue to play better
basketball without Isaiah Thomas, and he had this to say
about the Celtics near future lawnso ball. For all the criticisms,

(01:15:45):
Lakers or Celtics will take C plus guys to be
minus B minus two B B plus lawnso ball will
make guys better. Let Isaiah Thomas go and go, go
to Gordon Hayward, because I've watched the last two nights,
Boston is better without Isaiah Thomas defensively. Isaiah Thomas can
be an absolute pick and roll weakness defensively, and he

(01:16:07):
does not elevate other players five eight and a half
Isaiah Thomas, this series has unveiled the truth he ain't
worth two hundred million dollars. Well, in fairness, Isaiah Thomas
isn't worth two hundred million dollars because no one was
going to pay him two hundred million dollars. Like Isaiah
Thomas is making six million dollars, He's not a a

(01:16:27):
max guy has to be making max money. He's He's
not worth two or a million on the open market.
He's not worth two million to the Celtics. But the
question becomes can they get to where they ultimately want
to get to with Isaiah Thomas being one of their
highest paid players? And I don't think that's an unreasonable
take from Colin Like if you if if you say, hey,

(01:16:48):
we're gonna package Isaiah Thomas, if Utah wants him to
get Gordon Hayward in signing trade deal with with Hayward,
that would make a ton of sense, and then yeah,
I'm all for Alonzo Ball instead of Marquel Folts. The
thing that markul Folds has is probably a better overall
skill set, right, he can really shoot, he could pass,

(01:17:10):
you can score going to the hoop. The thing that
Alonzo Ball has is I think he can control the game.
I think he can make players better. Um, if you're
concerned about defense, though, I'm not really sure either of
those guys is the answer. Immediately, it's more style and ceiling.
And if the plan was ultimately, hey, you're gonna have

(01:17:30):
to part with a couple of pieces, but you keep
Alonzo Ball, you get Gordon Hayward, and you know you
obviously keep al Horford. I think that's a plan that
you can live with. The problem becomes you have to
get Utah or a couple of teams to sign off
on it. That's the biggest issue with when you're on

(01:17:53):
radio or on TV. Throwing out two dred million dollars
is there's no reality to which Isaiah to Amas would
be worth two hundred million dollars. He wasn't getting that contract.
Would he double his money, like yeah, I'll get twelve
a year or whatever for you know, three or four years,
Like yeah, I could. I could see him getting a
fifty or sixty million dollar deal like that's that's not

(01:18:14):
that's not craziness. Two million dollars craziness. And oh yeah,
by the way, he's not up until next year. And
the likehood is that that he levels off some um
and it's it's not again, not an unreasonable statement that
there's a ceiling there, and the ceiling has been has
been on display in the playoffs. On the other hand,

(01:18:39):
could you win if you put a bigger back quarter
around him? You might, But then you gotta part with
in Avery Bradley, who I think Avery Bradley One. He'll
be more cost effective too, he's more versatile. Three. Ultimately
he'll come off the bench. But Isaiah Thomas, the perfect
role for him is the Jason Terry roll. The perfect
role for him is the Abby Jackson roll. Is come

(01:19:02):
out the bench and just look to score, just go
and get buckets. You could hide sometimes defensive weaknesses when
you only play twenty five minutes a game and you
try and score twenty points a game. But he wasn't
making two million. And I also think that in order
for that to happen, you have to get you taught
to agree the yet Utah to go like, oh yeah,

(01:19:24):
it sounds like a good plan. Sure, we'll take your
leading score and give up our best player. That's what
the Fox said. Say. The the lead up to the
finals has it gets uncomfortable at times because we're waiting
for a reason to actually believe that we won't have

(01:19:45):
the Warriors in the Calves. But last night, with the
comeback by the Cavaliers, the incredible performance by Kyrie Irving,
of course, the finishing push from Lebron James, who was
spectacular in the fourth quarter, it's not a fore gone conclusion.
We've seen three one and a collapse before. But it's
a strong likelihood that the Calves win this series and

(01:20:07):
probably win it in five games if if the first
two games in Boston are any bit of a guy.
So we're going to get Calves Warriors three barring some
completely unforeseen comeback by the Boston Celtics, and the question
is how can can Lebron actually elevate his status? The

(01:20:32):
other question might be what would happen if Lebron loses
this series? How high will Durant's status climb all time
if he wins the title? And how much will it
be helped held back by the fact that he joined
a team that won the title, won seventy three games,
came within one of winning it. We we don't know
the answers, but you'll hear from Charles Barkley up coming

(01:20:53):
next where he thinks Lebron ranks and how he can
climb that chart. That's next in the Dug Out Limp Show,
What Up, Doug Godlive Show, Fox Sports Radio Live and
Direct from the City of Angels. Who Do Do Do?
Do Do Do? We'll get Charles Barkley on here sometime
leading up to the NBA Finals. Uh. Chuck has been

(01:21:14):
great to me over the years, and he has been
steadfast in his belief that Lebron James is not Jordan's
a matter of fact that Lebron James is not Kobe Bryant.
Don't believe me. Here's uh, here's Charles Barkley on how
Lebron James could climb to his top five all time

(01:21:36):
and even climbed to the level of Kobe Bryant with
continued work in this postseason. If Lebron is able to
beat the Golden State Warriors, I might move him up
to Kobe Bryant status. Uh. The Michael got six championship
that's a whole another planet. Lebron has for each championship.
He's one of the ten greatest players ever. If they're

(01:21:59):
able to be the Golden State Warriors, that would be incredible,
and I put him on the same level as Covid
Brant at that point. Michael's on a whole another level.
He wons six championships. Lebron is amazing. But I don't
understand why people just move him right past Covid Brd.
Coben Brant won five championships and he's done some things

(01:22:20):
we've never seen before. I think that Here's what I've
heard Jim Jackson on speak for Yourself. I heard him
earlier today on Undisputed, which of course you can hear
on Serious XM Channel eight three with Skip Bayless and
Shannon Sharp and Joy Taylor. He the way that Jim

(01:22:41):
has said it is like he doesn't have a go
to offensive move. That that's one that you don't have
to have a go to offensive move. You just have
to have like game. Right, his game is playing what
they called downhill bully ball. When he when he gets
ahead of steam, he's virtually unstoppable because he's so big,
so strong, and so very skilled. But you couldn't play

(01:23:01):
that way in Jordan's day, and there are times in
which against some players in the NBA he can't play
that way. Now you make him shoot a jump shot,
and there are times in which he misses early and
loses his confidence. He didn't have his confidence room last night.
Then got a couple of dunks to start the second half,
all of a sudden, he made a made a jump shot,
started feeling better about himself, and then he played great

(01:23:23):
in the fourth quarter. What I think we're all kind
of getting around basketball guys trying to tell the non
basketball guy, sports fan, or even sports media guy, is, look,
he does a lot of things really well, but the
way it's always worked in basketball is I give the
ball to my best player and he goes and creates

(01:23:46):
his own shot or a shot for others, but more
than anything, willing to take on the challenge of the
pressure of carrying a team offensively down the stretch in
the biggest games. And that's where finals records do matter.
Now should he? You know, when he when he got
Cleveland to the finals the first time, when he's twenty

(01:24:08):
two years old, that was more about overachieving simply to
get there, right, that was more about his coming of
age in the NBA. When they lost to the San
Antonio Spurs his last year in Miami, A lot of
that was Dwyane Wade wasn't as good, his supporting cast

(01:24:29):
wasn't as good, but and he was there. There was
a time in which people thought he could be the
m v P of that series. But you also have
to remember back to when they did beat the Spurs,
now close they were to extinction in Game six, and
how there were times in that series where he was
still very gunshy about shooting his jump shot. This lack

(01:24:54):
of offensive one on one skill, this lack at times
at very specific times of end of game alpha mentality,
it's what holds people back from putting him basketball guys.
Charles Mark is a basketball guy. What holds him back

(01:25:16):
from saying, hey, he's as good as Kobe and look,
I would say there was a time at the end
of Kobe's run where people try to put Kobe with Jordan.
Kobe Wood and Jordan, you guys are everybody's forgetting just
how not not just dominant special Jordan was the six
threes in the first half against the Portland Trailblazers, the

(01:25:36):
utter and sheer domination against the l A Lakers. Like
I heard Shannon Sharp and say, well, you know in
Game one against the Lakers, that's when he was on
Magic Johnson and they switched and put Scottie Pippen on
him because he shredded Michael Jordan's true Jordan was also
phenomenal on offense. The up and undermove was against the Lakers.

(01:25:58):
And the truth is that Lebron doesn't shut down Clay Thompson.
He doesn't guard Steph Curry. Like what Lebron does defensively
is he can do a little bit of everything, which
is what his strength is. Offensively, He can do a
little bit of everything. He's incredibly versatile. He fits the
skill set up two thousand seventeen. He also is in
an era in which you can't touch a ball handler,

(01:26:22):
and so it allows him to get a head of
steam going and he's virtually unstoppable. He fits the era
in which he plays, he fits the style of offense
and defense that they've created. But it's really hard for
basketball guys, former basketball players, and even basketball coaches and say, like, man,
he's not a guy who you really give the ball to,

(01:26:44):
and if you don't throw a double team his way,
he's just gonna go and get his own bucket. And
sometimes we take this as oh, I'm so not the
one part I don't like about the Charles Barkley defense
of Kobe Bryant. The number of championships, like, look, he
had Shock in his prime, Shacks, the three time Finals, MVP,

(01:27:08):
and I just I can't go solely based upon number
of championships, because if I did, then Tom Brady would
be the best quarterback of all time. And then you'd
start trickling down and put Terry Bradshaw ahead of Aaron Rodgers,
or if you wanted to go like modern day, you'd
put Ben Roethlisberger ahead of Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is
the best guy I've ever seen played quarterback. And oh yeah,

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by the way, he has a Super Bowl to his name.
Checks the most Boxes has the best skill set, and
if you want to say that, that's fine, but Brady
has so been so accomplished. Okay, but outside of those two,
nobody else compares, outside of maybe a Joe Montana. But
it's not because of Joe Montana's four and no record.
It's because they were the offense everybody was trying to

(01:27:51):
catch up to. Everybody copied and oh yeah, by the way,
they were four and oh in championship games and Montana
had lad this minute, last second dries like there's more
to it than just the numbers, the context of it.
I think Ben Rothsburger, who was terrible in his first
Super Bowl, is a great quarterback. Even if you say
he was only a great quarterback in one of the
Super Bowls, he was still great. He's still better than

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many of these others. He's still been a better quarterback
throughout his career, in my opinion, than Eli Manning, who
has two Super Bowls. And then we have what happened
last night with Kyrie Irving nineteen points and like I
was like a three minute span or something crazy. I mean,

(01:28:38):
the dude just put on display how incredibly talented he is.
Like if I had to if I asked you, did
Kyrie Irving had a good season this year? What would
your answer be? What do you think? Music? What do
you think most people think of Kyrie Irving's season because
he hasn't been having a great he has that great

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stats in the playoffs haven't been eight If I had
to ask you, without looking, please don't look, what kind
of your Kyrie had, how would you characterize it? Pretty good?
Pretty good? Because I would say when I think of
Kyrie Irving, I think of how does he compare to
other point guards in the NBA, and certainly with Russell Westbrook,

(01:29:21):
James Harden, Steph Curry, Isaiah Thomas, maybe even John Wallack.
There's a there's a lot of other point guards that
come to my mind first that had standout seasons before
I think of Kyrie Irving. Okay, now, look, I don't
think stats are in any way the only part of
the story, right. I don't want to sit here and

(01:29:42):
be stat guy and tell you that's the only thing
that matters. But let's just compare. Okay, he averaged the
most points in his career. He, by the way, not
just the most points in his career, six more points
in the average last year, the average twenty five points
a game. So I'll give you the stats of what

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Kyrie did playing seventy two games, did not play eighty two.
They didn't miss ten games. Game seven from two, forty
from three, ninety from the free throw line, five point assists,
three point two rebounds. As a point guard, Russell Westbrook
played thirty five minutes a game. He averaged more shots

(01:30:24):
than anybody else in the league. All right, he averaged
six point five six points a game more thirty one
point six points a game, shot from the floor, h
thirty four from three, and eighty four from the free
throw line. But just a simple prooration of and they

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played about the same number minutes, and Russell Westbrook played
more more games that if Kyrie Irvin took more shots,
it stands the reason the percentage might drop some. But
he would average as many or more points than Russell Westbrook.
Steph Or, who many people believe had a down season
this year average points a game, which is the exact

(01:31:06):
same number that Kyrie Irving average. Step shot forty seven
from the field, forty six eight same shot forty one
from three point range down this year. That's one percentage
point higher than Kyrie Irving shot eighty nine point eight
percent from the freely that's actually slightly lower than Kyrie

(01:31:26):
Irving an average one assist more a game average, the
same number of turnovers. Is it an interesting the perception
we have that Kyrie Irving is somehow and notch below
those star guards. Why is that? It's because of the
massive shadow that Lebron James presents and it it does
in fact worth both work both ways. When they win,

(01:31:49):
it's because Lebron's greatness. When they lose, it's because Lebron
was checked out. And yet Kyrie Irving showed that both
are sometimes the case, but also to sometimes it's based
on his own uh, his own output. I mean, what's
you know? This is kind of this is kind of interesting.

(01:32:10):
Do you know he averages the same number points and
wins and losses, Kyrie. It's crazy stat right, Like he
averages and wins losses, He shoots a slightly perceived shoots
better from three when they win from three from three
when they lose. Other than that, everything else is fairly

(01:32:32):
not fairly the same, like he is actually the picture
of consistency. So I don't know. I saw last night
and I've been telling people for two years that guy
is a superstar. He's only twenty five years old, he
had a bunch of injuries early in his career, played
with the super young team Super Dysfunctional, and Lebron has

(01:32:55):
been great for him in terms of teaching how to
be a professional. He's not a great defender, but ian
anywhere than most of these guys. But if your perception
is here's a guy who only plays well sporadically, the
stats tell you that's absolutely not true. He's consistently at

(01:33:17):
the top level of the position. Said. Sebolos is going
to join us upcoming next. All right, now we're about
what a week away. June one is the first NBA
Finals game in the right so we're almost like t
minus a week a week in a day. Where are

(01:33:42):
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our guy, Cedric Sabalis levin your NBA VET dunk Champion
NBA analysts force here. Uh said, um, what did you know?

(01:34:26):
Let me give you a little bit of my take
on game three. I know Game four was just put
yeah I did? Yeah? Good? What are you doing? Uh?
You get your words together? You like cooking something like
in the microwave, you put in some popcorn. You're like
going through the drawers, Like what was going on? Man?
I'm always on fire? You know that. I'm just waiting
for you to pass through the back? All right? So like,

(01:34:48):
look game three, did you think do you think it
was just he wasn't making shots? Or were you with me?
Where Lebron showed that kind of weird confidence train right
where he he sent he didn't want it, and it's
it's just different than any superstar we've ever seen. What
do you see from Game three? Well? I just saw
a guy who just just did not prepare for a

(01:35:11):
team that was going to be that aggressive. I thought
he thought the team was just gonna give it in,
just just throwing it. Al Isaiah was out. Uh, he
got blown out the first two games, and he just
was like, I don't really need to prepare. Maybe he
slept a little longer. You know, how will we sleep longer?
We we seem a little drugs and we didn't prepare
what we did. I think that's the situation with Lebron

(01:35:31):
James and what happened to him. But also, and I
threw this out earlier this week after they lost that game.
You know, Loot is as as a student of Phil Jackson,
maybe he's thinking, get me wrong here. If we do
sweep to Boston Celtics, we have a long time before

(01:35:52):
June first, We have a long time before game one.
Let them have that long layoff when we might go
in to go to eight and still that game one,
we lose, Game three, no problem, we take four, We
go to Boston win, win game five. Now we're only
looking at three to four days off when when Golden

(01:36:13):
States has been off for a while, and that may
you know, that may be damaging. In that first quarter, Uh,
at that first quarter which San Antonio took blue advantage,
of when Kawai Lennon was there, So there may be
some strategy to that losing that game, but you know
you saw a little bit of it uh in in
game four too as well with the foules that may
have got him a little tentative. But luckily he got

(01:36:34):
a superstar named Kyrie Irving to take over when his
days when when when his days, when his games are
down like that, I think I know something was up
with Lebron because now even Richard Jefferson is like, well,
it might have been the flu right and anytime. And
then you had the most telling one to me was
j R. Smith talking about confidence, like, hey, he's got

(01:36:55):
to play, and he the first half last night, I
know he was in foul trouble, but he was still
tentative with that jump shot. And it wasn't until he
got a couple of dunks and they started to get
back to the lead that he started to regain that confidence.
How would you handle Lebron if he was your teammate
and suddenly he would have one of those dips and confidence, Well,
he has to know, uh that Boston is gonna be

(01:37:18):
you know, they're gonna show up and and they have
taken away the opportunity for him to get to the
whole and say, hey mate, we can't stop you going
to the bucket. Obviously nobody can't. You prove that brawl
right in the finals last year with the last four
games of the series, once you figured out if I
go downhill, nobody can stop me. I can open up
so many so much for everybody else. I think game one,

(01:37:40):
game two, they tried to do that. Stop that. I
make the challenge, and then Coach Stevens like, look at
we got to back off this guy. If you want
to shoot a hundred times out on the perimeter, great.
He doesn't distribute the ball, he doesn't um get everybody
else involved, he doesn't get us in foul trouble. Let's
let him do that. And I think he right to
do that to game three and also last night, and

(01:38:03):
it's just not falling for him. And and Lebron is
not a jump shooter. I mean he it's some days
that he can get it going when he has that
threat going downhill at people and they start to really
back off, and he can. You know, he's got a
good ladder, he's got a couple of buckets going, He's
making three throws and he can start knocking out threes,
but he's not a jump shooter. And when he relies
on that, I think that's why Jr. Said his confidence,

(01:38:25):
Uh you know, don't don't you know, I'm not JR says,
I don't like confidence. I got confidence all the time,
So Lebron should be the same way. Richard Jefferson saying,
maybe it maybe some flu symptoms. Maybe you never No,
we're not on the inside and we're not Lebron James
on how he feels. But I think that's what it
was a combination Boston Celtics figuring out, let this guy
shoot as many jumpers as he wants. He's he doesn't

(01:38:46):
hurt us like he would hurt us if he's going
downhill dunking the ball, get into the basket, putting us
in foul trouble, and distribute into guys for three point shots.
Show Fox Sports Radio. Um, you mentioned Kyrie Irving and
what a big star he is. It's it's weird because
I do think that Lebron that they're just the presence,
the name, the Jordan comparisons, like all this stuff overshadows

(01:39:10):
Kyrie Irving. What are your thoughts on Kyrie's game, not
just obviously last night was the best of Kyrie, but overall,
what are your thoughts? Oh Man, he's one of the
best players in the league at this point, especially in
the point card position. It's just Lebron has the ball
all the time. You know, he did this damage. Maybe
didn't lead a team uh to the finals or even
the playoffs when he was by himself. But you know,

(01:39:32):
when you play with Lebron James, you used take the
back seat to a lot of things. Asked Dwayne Wade,
asked Chris Bosh, you know, asked Shaquille O'Neal when he
played with him in Cleveland, Carlos Blueser. It's just the
guy is so dominant and so good that he draw
so much attention that the best game plan is to
be Robin instead of trying to be Batman. Uh. You

(01:39:54):
you just have to go with it because it's ball.
Hamlen skill the unbelievable. Obviously, he's shown that over the years.
He's very clutch. Uh. He finishes a lot of buckets,
and that practice has come from when he was in
with a terrible Cleveland Cavaliers team where he had to
carry that team by himself, and he was used to
shooting the game winners because they had nobody else to
go to. So he's prepared for himself for he's ready

(01:40:16):
for it. It's just Lebron is that much. He draw
so much star power, he draw so much attention, and
he's that effective when he's on the court. All right.
I want to get to the the upcome the likely
upcoming final series in a second, but I want to
put to rest the San Antonio spurs. Um, what would
your advice be to Mona Janobla? He said, he's got
two really good options. I'd come back and play where

(01:40:37):
I could spend more time in my family's thirty nine
years old. First series against Memphis, he didn't look like
he had it. Second series, he was really good against
Golden Stage, especially for thirty nine years old. Uh, well,
what would your advice be two Tomano? Well, if if
his body allows him to do it, I want him
to play. Um, you know he could always there's always
time to spend with family even when he's playing. I

(01:41:00):
know Papovich is a family orientated coach. He wants your
family around, so please don't let family be the excuse
of him not coming back for one or two more years.
And I'm not sure what he's planning on. But uh,
you know, once I got done out the league, man,
you your body feels great, and you go, Man, I
should have never stopped playing. And and uh, he's in

(01:41:21):
the he's in the mix of things right now. Maybe
he needs to take a seat figure it out. Do
I take a seat and playing in Argentina? Do I
take a seat planing overseas? Uh? Do I? Do? I
sit back a little bit with the spurs, you know,
so check his body. If his body temperature is good
and good to go, I say, go for it and
play some more. You can always find time during the

(01:41:42):
season during training, uh, to hang around and be with
your family. Um. Look, obviously everybody knows quiet Letter is
an elite player. And the thought is, if you look
at he continues to improve, like he's getting better. So LaMarcus,
if they're all healthy, would have to be their second
best player. And and you know, then they got to
figure out the point guard position with Parker at his age,

(01:42:04):
Murray being probably not being ready. Um, but the LaMarcus
seems to be a weird fit right, Like he's more
power forward than center, and yet in this day and
age in the NBA, he's got to play center, but
he's not really a defender or rim protector. And then
he showed signs of at times being soft, which is
the opposite of what Gregg Popovich wants. What do you
think long term they think of of LaMarcus, whether or

(01:42:27):
not that will actually work well? First, I think the
question is if we do let LaMarcus go or move him,
who in the league is better than him at that position?
Not too many at that size that heightened that score ability.
He shows flashes of greatness back in Portland's a bunch
of times, but that's the Portland's system that he that

(01:42:49):
he ran. The ball came through him, it was it
was his team. You know, he touched it every play.
It's a different system here. And and maybe we want
him to be a thirty forty point guy, you know,
each and every night. Uh And that's just not the
system that pop has And and that's not what they
brought him in to do. Uh. This they brought him

(01:43:11):
in obviously learned from Tim Duncan to make that transition
from Tim him on. But Kauai he was was given
this team two or three years ago, knowing that he
was going to be moving on to be the best
player on the team. So it's got to go through Kauai. Obviously,
Kauai is not a shoot first, uh basketball player, so
you know, obviously the markets will get his touches. But
it's the offense just does not. It's not designed to

(01:43:34):
pump it into the post. Even after Tim Duncan and
David Robinson went through the same offense, it wasn't even
that let's go on to Tim first and then figure
things out. It was just move the ball around and
look for the great shot. Obviously, great shots come when
you got David Robinson and Tim Duncan down there. But
it also goes off percentages. I know, popovitches in his ear.
Let's start. You know we're gonna we're gonna plump it

(01:43:55):
down to your big fellow. Your percentages have to be
pretty high and a better chance. I know the system
that he runs, uh, everybody gets involved. So it gets
to LaMarcus again, even when he's missing shots, it gets
to him because you know, maybe I'm breaking this system down,
I'm changing the way they play. Because in Portland, even
if he's missed ship, they're still going to him the

(01:44:15):
next play, in the next playing the next place, so
he has to adjust his game. I think it's gonna
be allowing soul searching this summer. He's gonna have to
really figure out where um uh he wants to be
condition wise, so he can come in and have a
spurt where he doesn't touch the ball five six times
and then all of a sudden go to work for
fourth four or five times and then go back to
not touching the ball again. All right, last thing you

(01:44:37):
got against that phone, you got people with the door.
You're going through your drawers, like there's a lot of
stuff going on in Sabala's household. We're a week away
from the finals, okay, and I totally like, I'm not
one of these guys that gets into the well you
picked a week ago this team, and like, you know,
crazy things can happen within the context of a series
or even in a game with foul trouble or a
guy not shooting well, or somebody gets to spend if

(01:45:00):
somebody gets hurt. What what's your what are your expectations
for the NBA? As a guy who studied this thing,
played in it for over a decade, played at a
very high level. What are your thoughts heading into what
we think is going to be the NBA Finals a
week away from that? Yeah, I wanted I wanted both
teams to come into the finals undefeated. I thought it's
been a clash of those two, you know, Golden State winning,

(01:45:23):
Kyrie goes down, Uh, the Cavaliers winning Draymond possibly was
the reason because of the suspension and also Boges going down. UM,
I wanted. I wanted them both to go in this
series twelve zero and then let's see, let's row, let's
let's get a good rest, everybody has the same rest,
and let's go to battle. Uh. This is gonna be interesting,

(01:45:46):
Katie's and uh a one time familiar place with the finals. UH, excitement,
a lot of expectations. I don't think he was the
favorite last time he was in the finals. This is
the opportunity where he's the favorite. Uh. He's coming into
a team that has won a championship and he's supposed
to be the added piece, uh to the puzzle. Lebron
James wouldn't reapt his team, put in, put them some

(01:46:08):
great shooters out there to command um the defense to
pay attention to Golden States defense to pay attention to
the more. And I apologize to all Boston fans if
I'm already put Cleveland in, But that's that's the way
I saw it, that's the way I wanted to be.
I love Game seven last year. I would love to
see it again, even you know, the fans and everybody saying,

(01:46:30):
oh this is boring. These guys are back in and again, Hey,
let's go back and go back to it. It's not
like Golden State one two and in Cleveland one zero,
or who's Cleveland one two and Golden State one zero?
They won one. They won one to here's the type records.
That's why we call it a series. This is just
the final series. If these two teams match again, this
is the game three of the finals, so to speak,

(01:46:51):
game three series. And and let's see who wins this series.
And then you'll see who's the dominant team. Because one
team would be up to one on the other. Should
be awesome. Said listen, We'll let you get back your day.
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(01:47:57):
to the press with Deb Carson. The press. All right, dev,
how many stories you got in front of you? We
have let's see seven or eight stories actually right in
front of me. Let's see if we can get how
many we can get. Awesome dog, the Knicks, you know
they were believed to be a little chapped when Christops
Perzengos skipped his exit interview at the end of the season,

(01:48:17):
well so chapped. Apparently that there's been speculation the team
parted ways with Knick's assistant coach Josh Longstaff to send
a message to Porzengos, since Christaps was known to be
fond of long Staff. Would the Knicks do such a thing?
I don't think so. Long Staff came in with Derek Fisher,
and you want guys that come in with horners stick

(01:48:39):
once one of his guys. Remember, as much as long
Staff wanted to tie himself like you tie your ship
to the best doc right, and Kris stops prozingis is
the future of the Knicks, I think Longstaff was smart
and going overseas and helping work him out. Let's also
be honest though, that uh the workout guru of Christops
Perzingkis's brother. So long as his brother's around, who's a

(01:48:59):
four professional player in Europe? I don't I think there's
there's a negligible effect. I just think this is the
Knicks trying to get everybody pulling in the same direction.
If they felt like Longstaff wasn't doing that, and they
get somebody who who is all the better gotcha? Well,
speaking of Moving in the same direction, the NBA announced
the twenty nineteen All Star Game will be held in Charlotte. Now,

(01:49:22):
this year's All Star Game famously moved from Charlotte to
New Orleans because of the North Carolina state law HB
two restricting the rights of LGBT people. This state repealed
and replaced HB two in March. Now there are concerns
the replacement didn't go far enough, but the commissioner is
happy with it and says all events will be antidiscriminatory.
All venues, hotels, and businesses we work with during the

(01:49:44):
All Star Week will adhere to these policies as well. Look,
I mean this is the power of protests and the
power of sport where the only way in which real
change comes is when you hit somebody in the wallet.
And they lost the n c A Tournament, which by
the way, probably helped propel South Carolina over Duke. They

(01:50:05):
lost the a c C Championship game in football, they
lost uh the All Star Game for a short period
of time, devastating. It was devastating to Charlotte's striving economy.
Um that said, I also don't know, I don't know,
like you just all of a sudden flip the script
and go right back to Charlotte when the repeal and

(01:50:26):
replace isn't it still has some language in it which
is rather uncomfortable. I don't really care because I think
I'm not an All Star Game guy. I would never go.
I don't watch, but I do care about economy is
being ruined by politicians who want to make religious dance
or political statements and end up hurting an overall state's economy.

(01:50:47):
And I think that's the up. Your job as a
politician is to do what's in the best interest of
your constituents, and they didn't do that, and that's why
they lost. All these sporting events agree absolutely well. The
Miami Heat and eleven Time all are Chris Bosh have
agreed to part ways with the help of the NBA
Players Association. The two sides have tentatively agreed to a
resolution hasn't been signed just yet that it would allow

(01:51:09):
both parties to move on uh. Currently, Bosh was guaranteed
fifty two million over the next two seasons exactly, and
has remained on the salary cap. That's where the crusher
comes in from Miami. But if the agreement goes through,
the heat will end up with about fourteen million and
thirty seven million in cap rooms in those respective years. Uh. Look,

(01:51:33):
the big question for Chris Bosh. I know he wants
another shot. I know he still wants to play, and
they're in this weird kind of in between last c
B A and the newly reworked c B A and
that's one of the reasons taken so long. But what
we still don't know is if he came back, if
he got clear to play next year, would it go
against the team's cap? How would affect that team's cap?

(01:51:55):
How would affect this money? I like Chris Bosh. I
love the idea of him wanting to play and win
another championship, But I do think at some point in time,
when you have three different runs with blood clots and
you've got a beautiful family, count your money, counter rings,
counter your blessings and be a bigger part of basketball
on TV, or or be you know, going to front office,

(01:52:18):
if you want to be around the game, there'll be
a spot for a bright guy like Chris Bosh. I
kind of think this has got to be the final,
the final thing in his career, even though he badly
wants one more shot. Well, I would think so, and
also especially since I mean, is another NBA team gonna
want the liability if God forbid something horrible happens. M
hm um, yeah, I mean they he'd have to be

(01:52:40):
cleared and the contract would have to be insured. So
but I do I think they would want Chris Bosh
I do if he was cleared. Yeah. Okay, quarterback Colin
Kaepernick getting a shot, not a job, but he's visiting
with the Seahawks today. They are not expected to sign
a quarterback today, but they're looking for a backup there.
Backup Travon Boykin arrested on misdemeanor charges of marijuana possession

(01:53:04):
in public intoxication back in March and then later arrested
for possibly violating his probation because of that same incident.
So they want another backup for Russell Wilson. Yeah, and
this would actually make some sort of sense. But the
when Seattle says we're not going to make a decision
today and he's visiting today, if he leaves that a contract,

(01:53:25):
that that's not really the message the league. Uh he's
going to That's it doesn't signal that there's as much
mutual interest as you might be led to be like,
Kaepernick is available. If he's really the guy and you
need a backup, why don't you sign Kaepernick? Otherwise this
feels a little bit like a dog and pony show.
You're you're doing a ma solid more so than you

(01:53:47):
really really want him. Right Well, Doug held hath no
fury like a woman's scorn. Yes. Well. What started off
as a police investigation of a burglary and the destruction
of items at a home just outside Woodstock, New York,
turns out to be the sixty one year old ex
wife of the homeowner broke into the home ransacked the house,

(01:54:08):
causing more than three hundred fifty thousand dollars in damage
to artwork, antiques, other personal property at her ex's home.
The woman has turned herself in. She is free after
posting five thousand dollar bail. No message to her attorney
has been returned. Wait wait, wait, so she broke into
her ex husband's house wrecked everything. Who is this? Who

(01:54:28):
is the guy who has three grand worth of the
stuff in his house? Some guy in a home in Woodstock,
New York? Mr Rockman, Can you I just I can
you imagine like coming back? And you're like who did this?
Like your X yeah, and and like look she may
he may have deserved it, right, like everybody's like Carrie
Underwood's song where you know she she you know, maybe

(01:54:52):
next time you think and there's the video of her
the key in the car and send it on fire
or whatever. But I thought, when you say I do
what what's yours? What's hers is yours? And what's yours
is actually what the truth is. What's yours is hers
and what's hers is hers? And this only uh makes
that more obvious. And that, my friend is the press.

(01:55:15):
Get out there and pressed. That was the press. Doug
Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Brock Oswilder trying to recapture
the luster of his career in Cleveland. Can he do it?
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To enjoy more confident car buying experience. Brock oswall has
gotta get right, man, gotta get right. Doug gotlib Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Oswilder remains convinced he's a starting quarterback
in the NFL. He said, absolutely, I think I am.
I think the proof is in the film over the

(01:55:56):
past two years. He was asked if the film doesn't
contain that proof, he said, it's okay. Uh. Oswilder uh
said he wasn't shaken by the Texans trading him one
year after the assigned him to a four year, seventy
two million dollar deal. Quote, there was a coach that
I played for in college and he told me only

(01:56:18):
to worry about things you can control. So from the
time of the trade, that's all I've done. I couldn't
be more excited to be here. From the day I arrived,
I couldn't have been welcomed in a better way. Hugh
Jackson said of Oswilder's role to come here every day
and compete and get better every day, learn our system,
fit our culture, and try and make it better. That's
what he's done each and every day. E that's not

(01:56:44):
a vote of confidence, like it all sounds good. But
when Hugh Jackson has brock Ostwalder, who has been been
in the league for half a decade, been a backup
in the starter of a a team that ultimately went
on and won a Super bowl. Then it started last
to year and have no other viable options with any
sort of credit hours and to just sit here and

(01:57:05):
go like, hey man, he's up really worked hard at
a boy, right Like that is literally not you not
what you want to hear? Not you want to what
do you want to hear? Um? So do you want

(01:57:26):
to go out with her? She has a great personality
right and and and please don't think, oh, you're such
a show with his pick women. You think the exact
same thing. I have a I have a friend. She
was actually telling me about this. She was like, I
was like, how's your how's your day? She's like, I was.

(01:57:46):
It was nice. It was like nice nice. We went
to such and such and we're going to such and
such as like nice nice. So is there maybe? Yeah,
so that's enough. That's a It was nice. The food
was good, the place was nice, and there's nothing there.

(01:58:10):
But men aren't the only people who who say just
personality is is that we're all we're all vain in
our own special way exactly. I mean, you might have
had a nice time with somebody, but you might say,
you know what, he was really sweet, we had a
lovely time. That doesn't mean, Wow, he was really hot.
I can't wait to date him the game right exactly.
It's I mean, look listen when I when I hear

(01:58:31):
Hugh Jackson, here's Jackson. Hugh Jackson says, come here, come
here every day, compete it better, learn our system, fit
into our culture, try and make it better. That's what
he's done each and every day. There was no Look
brock Ostwader, it's been a starting quarterback in this league.
We expect him to be our starter. You know, anybody
else has to beat out brock Osweader. They want any

(01:58:51):
of that. It tells you all, tells you all you
need to know. It feels like he's patting him on
the head. Yes, he's exactly well, he's really worked hard.
He hasn't been a complete turn. Yes, Ryan Music. He
could have said anything from he's got a great arm,
he's just naturally talented. The guy's the most athletic person
on the field. Instead it was that guy works hard,
but he's a real he's a word. He didn't he

(01:59:14):
did not quit. We wanted him. He showed up on time.
He was on time. He's prompt. If if the best
thing they say about you is your prompt like m
or you clean. You know he's actually clean. Cleanliness is
in fact next to godliness. Uh, deb great job today, music,
Good job today, Iowa, Sam, I was you could geek out.

(01:59:35):
I was hanging out with Fran McCaffrey the other day.
This is an Iowa thing. He's University of Iowa at
basketball coaches, A dear friend of mine, dear friend of
well we got tomorrow music Rahan Jenny is gonna join us.
Nobody's picked him up? Is he Is he being black
balled because he was on Dancing with the Stars? We
gotta ask him? Is he being black balled because he
didn't protest the national anthem? I don't know. That's possible.
Could be a many could be because he was on

(01:59:57):
Dancing with the Stars. If Cat doesn't sign today, he's
not signing with Seattle. That's my prediction. That's my prediction.
When's the national How? When's the Stanley Cup Final start?
I honestly don't have any idea. Neither do I. We
won't cover them tomorrow. We will get you ready for
game whatever. There you go Game seven on Thursday and
game six or five or whatever tomorrow. This is the

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