Mike Gundy Finds Trouble Again

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we start off right there in college football with George

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rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug today because
Mike Gundee continues to be in the news. The Oklahoma
State head coach, of course, making news earlier than this
week when he was spotted in an O A N
T shirt and taking a picture with his sons and
then his star running back Toba Hubbard responded, uh in
the disgust of that T shirt. We had an apology

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from a Gundy and Hubbard or a message sent out
by both of them. Then then Gundy sent out his
own apology by himself in his statement, and then yesterday
word resurfaced George of an incident that came back dated
back to nine nine when Mike Gundy was the starting

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quarterback of the Oklahoma State Cowboys taking on Colorado and
for the first time in a long time, or one
of the few times, Colorado got the best of Oklahoma State.
That's not what we're talking about today, though, Alfred Williams,
who was a big part of those Colorado teams back
in the day, speaking out and bringing up the point
that was reported by Colorado newspapers more than thirty years

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ago that Mike Gundy allegedly used a racial slur, calling
Williams the N word in their game in nineteen eighty nine.
Something else. Now Mike Gundee needs to address Yeah, well,
it's not just address it because we got questions because

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at this point, this is your character. This isn't just
a slip up. And also, Alfred Williams, before anybody gets
on saying, oh, well this is thirty one years later,
blah blah blah, Well, no, Alfred Williams brought it up
at the time. Nobody just cared. Nobody did anything about it.
It wasn't a big deal to anybody else because that
was the temperature in the world. It was just okay,

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well what whatever. And Alfred Williams said, this is not
just an allegation that he's got at least twenty other
people who can cooperate his story. And if Mike Gundy
didn't do it, then maybe he would have come out
and say, oh, that didn't happen Oklahoma State University. But
they're they're going mom on it. They're saying, oh, well,

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you know, we're being quiet about this. We're not gonna
continue to comment on it, and like, this is a
bad look. Because Mike Gundhy, who we heard from the
other day, he issued an apology, and when I watched it,
my initial reaction was because he was clearly reading off
a teleprompter, which was a bad move because it's hard

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to feel like only the goats can make teleprompter look natural,
authentic and believable, and there was nothing about that about
Mike Gundhy. He was one of those like, sorry, I
got caught. Sorry, this is a problem, not that this
is a you know, a change in his own personal stance. Well,
this is, and this is why I do think he

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needs to address it. George is because he's addressed to
the other things. He's addressed the T shirt. He's had
more than one apology. I think we're on three. I
think we were on three for the O A N
T shirt because there was the Chewbaha wird one, then
there was the the the individual one off the teleprompter,

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and then there was an additional conversation that he had
with ESPN in calling himself a dumb a for wearing
the T shirt. So we were up to three on that,
and I think that the the the non response to
this allegation, which again and and Alfred Williams brought this
up to the Oklahoman in saying, I'm surprised you guys,

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are you know, or I'm happy at least you guys
are reporting on it now because none of the Oklahoma
papers reported on it then, but the papers in Colorado
did report on it. There's a headline Gundy accused of
Rachel slur in one of the Colorado papers. In So
I do think that that he needs to address this
sort of issue because there's so many things that that

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are uh, I mean at stake, I mean, yeah, well,
it's it's not just the fact that these things are
at stake. It's the fact that that you are a
player who I'm sorry, you're a coach who you make
millions of dollars off of student athletes, most of them
black bodies. And it's not just the issue that he

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said it, it's what's in his heart. It's the fact
that you can use these players to make millions of dollars,
but then you don't have that same love and respect
for them. That that test, the ultimate test is can
this person married or this race of person marry your daughter?
And I think that that's what we're questioning about Mike

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Gundhi at this point in time, because these statements and
these feelings, these go back deep seated and deep rooted things.
And so that's why I say it's a character examination
as more just oh, I'm just oh, this is a
careless incident. You know, I don't disagree with you. I
I this, and I don't see his teleprompter or apology

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to me as a big issue. I would. I've I've
had this on this show. I've learned to apologize now
that I'm married three plus years, and I think that
there's there's a way to do it. There's there's You
don't say I'm sorry for how you took my words.
You take responsibility for your own actions. I'm not gonna

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I'm not gonna beat him up for using a teleprompter. Yeah,
you want him to speak, you know, from his heart.
I just feel this with this situation, like with Gundhi,
and now it's changed. I admit that it's changed because
of what has been brought up now, but I want
to see action from your comments. I want to see
how Mike Gundhi, you know, does react to the social injustices,

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how he does handle the Black Lives Matter movement? Is
he a part of it? Is he doing things? Because
that to me, George tells me that he has changed, Like,
you can't change my mind with the one minute apology,
and it's the you know, it's the same thing with
Drew Brees. Like I thought Drew Brees is apologies and
his response to President Trump, in my mind were really

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well put. However, if I'm the one that's holding Drew
Brees accountable, I want to see the actions and and
that's where I'm really going to judge. Until that's what
with his whole with this whole Gundy thing is I
wanted I even said it yesterday on the program. I
want to see the actions before I, you know, let
him off the hook or say all right, uh this,

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you know a change needs to be made, but not
with this in the silence, I just I just haven't.
You know, I think we need to hear something okay
as a married man where you talked about apologies, because
I understand this as a married man too. What is
the most important thing about your apology? Um, that it's
sincere correct and when you're reading off the teleprompter and

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looking all stiff and it didn't feel that, it didn't
look natural. That's the problem is that it's not just
the fact that he apologized. It is where it. It's
like that old saying, people won't remember what you said,
they won't remember what you did it, but they will
remember how that you made them feel. And how did
that apology? If if that were somebody apologizing to you,

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how would that apology make you feel? Yeah, I probably
wish it would have come from the heart, you know,
would have just been like, you know, I'm sorry. I
actually took more from him calling himself a you know,
a dumb a than than maybe the other two, just
of being like, oh, that's just a convenient thing, dude,
Oh that that seems that seems to be more. I mean,

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he's not talking off of a of a teleprompter. But again,
I wanted, I wanted to give him the benefit of
the doubt to be like, all right, let's see this change.
Let's you know, like the apology can only go so far.
And yeah, oh one, I want a percent agree with that.
But I think that you have a whole narrative of people,

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a narrative of people who uh well, a contingent of
people who will will say the same thing about Mike
Gundy that they said that they would say about Morgan Scali,
who is the defensive coordinator for Utah, who used the
in word in a text to recruit and supposedly get
uh to another NFL player. Previous prior to that is

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that there's this oh, well, they've brought so many black men,
young black men out of poverty and and got them
to college and all of that. That's what they're gonna
say there, sure, and that's when when there's no respect. Um, yeah,
I it, you know, it rings a bit hollow. And

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and and that's where I think is where the you know,
the change that needs to come. I don't know. Like
Alfred Williams has said that he doesn't want Gundy to
lose his job, He just wants him to acknowledge what happened.
And I think that if Gundy um admits it, and

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I'm not telling him to cover it up, but I
just don't know how you continue as the head coach.
You don't know how you can. You know, you can
go into a home and and say, you know to
a parent that I'm gonna take care of your kid
when they could just bring that up. I know it
happened thirty one years ago. I know that there is

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it's you know, maybe Mike Gundy has grown. I just
don't know how you can continue like that. And that's
why I want to see how this is addressed, if
it is even being addressed. I think his job is
on the line. Yeah, oh it is because and it
is because now you have questions and it feels like

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a pattern. And the the thing about it is where
you said about him losing his job and all of that.
I've been one person that as kind of on the
other side from a lot of other people. I do
believe that these things are fireable defenses when you especially
when you are in a position of leadership, and you
can your favoritism like it's just bad when it's in there.

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But I don't believe that when people do or say
racist things, I don't always believe that exile is the
best option because it reinforces their their views and doesn't
actually solve the problem. It gets that person out of
that position. But but I always believe that you're supposed
to love and lead from a place of of of

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love and from grace, And but that doesn't always mean
that you are free from consequences. It just means that
you know that there is a place for redemption. If
you're like, wait, hold up, I saw this all wrong, Like,
let me get my heart straight, let me get my
mind straight, because a lot of times people don't always

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realize that that something is going on. They just say, oh, well,
I'm getting all these all these black kids to college,
and I'm doing all these great things. But in reality,
you aren't doing something all that great because it's in
your best interest to get them. It's like you are
lining your own pockets. Mike Gundeezy multimillionaire, awful black bodies

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for the majority, for the for the most part, and
if it wasn't him being the head coach, because because
they try to turn into this white savior thing and
he say, oh, well he's the guy. More Morgan, Skate
Scali as well. They got so many kids, they did
so many great things. It was in their best interests.
And also if they were in that position, somebody else

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would have done it, because that's what you have to
do to win. Sure, it's it's like charity in what
you're saying. If there are people who doing it to
charity to help others, and there are those that donate
to charity to make themselves feel better, Like it's really like,
what is the real charity of doing it? It's are
you know, are you the one benefiting because you make

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yourself feel better about it, or do you really want
to help the cause. There was a Friends episode about this,
I can't I can't remember if it was. It was
Phoebe here like didn't want to do anything good because
she felt like if she felt good about it, then
it was an actual charity. But that's the I I
think that's kind of to the point of of what
you're saying is, yeah, I mean it. It it benefited

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these coaches and in that time and the Gundhy thing.
I was gonna ask you this just about it, because
you know, it sounds like you're saying that he shouldn't
lose his job. But I don't want to put words
into your mouth. But I'm wondering, does does Mike Gundhi
change or can the institute change better continuing as the
Oklahoma State head coach? Or is it just best for

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all parties to part ways over a situation like this.
This is a case where okay with the similar to
what the Utah. What what I said about the Utah
because of coordinator is that yes there has been time,
Yes things can change, but this is new. I mean, somebody,
this is new with with with Mike Gundhy. But I
believe that this should be left up to the players

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who who played for him. I've think that his past
players actions should be their thoughts about it should be
factored into it because that's who the university has to
lean on for, you know, in the future. So I
think that you have to take the temperature of your
university because no one player, no one coach, no one,
anything is actually bigger than the university, so you have

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to do the right thing for the university and whatever
that is, I am okay with it, and like so
I rarely call for people's jobs, but that it's just
very important too that the people who are playing for
him feel comfortable. The rest of the students on campus,
your your your donors, like, there are a lot of

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people that factor into making a program go that you
have to uh factor in. But the one point I
did want to mention that is the fact that is
that when Mike Gundy apologize and said he was a
dumba for wearing the the O A N N shirt,
it rings hollow as well because two months prior he said, quote,

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I'll tell you what's funny. I was flipping through the stations.
I found one I don't even know if anybody knows this.
It's called oh A N n Uh. It was very refreshing.
They just report the news. There's no commentary, no opinions,
no left nor right, blah blah blah. And he goes
and he just says someone, it was just refreshing to
to see that. I've been watching it all week and

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it was just like, you know, what that station is about, right, Like,
come on, bro, Like, you can't say that you're a
dumb mate when you actually support what's going on on
that station. That's why you wore the shirt. Very very
interesting comments from my Gundy and once again previous comments
in his past, uh coming to light today, We're gonna

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dive into this more. He's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Big news today in the National Football League and also
big news and Major League Baseball is maybe we're getting
closer to a season. Dan Shaughnessy of The Boston Globe
joins us next year on Fox. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show week days

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at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. He's George rice Stir,
NFL veteran. I'm Dan Buyer, sitting in for Doug today
here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Joining us now because
I don't know if baseball is closer or not. I
have no IDEA columnist for The Boston Globe, Dan Shaughnessy
joins this year on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Dan, how's

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your Thursday going today? I'm good. How are you guys doing?
We're we're hanging in there. I uh, I am amazed
at how Baseball uh started to now negotiate one Apparently
negotiations were thought to be dead. We had a sixty
game proposal now from owners. Within the last hour we've
seen a counter proposal from the union. Still could be

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some two hundred million dollars apart um. Is this a
good sign? Or are we still basically back to where
we've always been, Dan, with these two side it just
can't come to an agreement. No, I think it's really
a good sign. I think, you know. I mean, I've
been through a million of these, and except for ninety four,
they always end up getting settled. And and I think
it's a mistake to get hang on the rhetoric too
much early on. And I think that the owners have

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kind of been playing the stall game here and they
want a shorter season, and so they've certainly been okay
to to let this thing drag a little bit, and
the players have they're always in transigent stance, which makes
it easy to play in the hands the owners. So
there we are. But the last couple of days has
certainly been encouraging. Um Who would you say has the

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upper hand or the leverage. Is it the players because
they already have a deal in place, or is it
the ownership. I always think the owners do on these things.
I mean, you know, they're gonna lose money, and they
just it's a matter of how much they're gonna lose.
Players have a chance to make zero money or come
back on these terms, and I just think it gives

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the owners a little bit more of a hammer. That's
a very strong union there. We know that, and they
could go, you know, completely grievance and not play and
and that sort of thing draconian. I don't think it
will come to that. I think guys want to get
some sort of a season end, and I mean there's
interest for a lot of them, you know, the guys
who are going to be free agents and what not
to to get out there and do something. Dan Shahnes

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see The Boston Globe joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Do you think that the ownership underestimated the players union
sticking together? Well, I would hope not, because that's a
loser's game. I mean, since Marvin Miller came on board
in the late sixties. You know, they've it's basically they're
they're undefeated, they they do well. Um and uh, I

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think I think their leadership is a little bit weaker
than it was. I don't think Tony Clark is Marvin
Miller or or Donald Fair. He's really not equipped for that.
And it's not his fault. So it's it's I think
it's stilted a little bit in favor of the owners
on that, but they it's a very it's the strongest
of the four team and the four sports as a union.
They clearly are sure. And and the only reason I
asked that was because there seemed to be a bunch

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of different options and then there was the sliding scale
option of maybe trying to divide the union. I don't know,
maybe that was just maybe that was then an option
of them realizing how strong that the players Association was.
I I you know, I just it just seemed that
I just don't know why we couldn't get this progress
now as opposed to three weeks ago. Well, I think
the answer to that is that the owners didn't want that.

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And again they're just running out the clock here because
a longer season costs them more money. Um. Who do
you do you think that the social media you know,
tell us when and where Bryce Harper, all the other
players posting it. Do you think that had any impact
or or that the owners felt any pressure from you know,

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public sentiment. I think public sentiment tilted toward the players
in the last three weeks, like you say, and and
and those things being being part of that. So sure,
I think that that was effective by the players to
do that kind of put it more, you know, get
people more blaming the big bad billionaires than the than
the rich play. So yeah, I think that was effective strategy.

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Dan Shaughnessy at the Boston Globe joining us here on
the Dug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's George
Ricestir on Dan Buyer in for Doug. I know here
in southern California, Dodger fans um would love any games
because then they would actually see Mookie Betts in a
Dodgers uniform. I'm curious about Boston when this season maybe
wasn't good to be all that it was cracked up

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to be. Um, how how what is what is the
temperature of Red Sox fans in Boston over what baseball
so far as that going on this summer, you know
it's tapping here, I mean compared to what it usually
would see. And you know, but that the way things finished,
and they kind of you know, they they announced this
was a bridge year without announcing it. They threw up

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the white flag with the salary dump of bets in price,
and uh, you know, it was known they were going
to be worse. The GM said it, We're gonna be worse.
So that's not a rallying cry going in for this
thing has worked out in their in their favor in
a weird way in that, you know, the short of
the season, the more chance of aberrations for teams doing

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better than you would think. It's just the shorter sample
always favors the bad teams, and um, you know, Chris
Sales rehaben without games being played. They might end up
getting three players for bets for for fifty games and
mookie bets. I mean, so they've they've had some unintended
benefits to this if if by chance, everything blows up

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the negotiations and they're turned out to be no season,
because that's ultimately what the owners wanted. What let's let's
say that that happened, how would that impact free agency
or the Mookie Bets trade and all of it, Like,
what kind of impact would that have? Well, the understanding
is they're all getting service time whether they play or not,
so those guys would still be free agents. I mean,

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Bets has taken a bath on us. He's gonna make
a lot of money no matter what. But this has
been devastating for a guy who thought he'd be, you know,
aiming toward Mike Trout contract and that's just not happening.
And that's nobody's fault. There's just the reality of what
has happened. So um and I think that owners, I
don't think they want no season as much as they
all want playoffs because there's money. If they have real players,

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they can make money on TV playoffs. But for the owners,
the regular season without fans is a loser, and uh,
the shorter that is to get to the money reaping
playoff season, the better rides for them. So I don't
think they wanted no season as much as they just
wanted a short one to highlight their showcase. Damn Shaughnessy
the Boston Globe joining us the last one for me?

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What does this do for labor negotiations? Um in the
new cv A that's up in certainly the hostilities are there,
and then the distrust is there, and it was there
to start with, and now it's been underlined and so
it's it's not good. And you know, they you can
look for a bloody a bloody one after and who

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knows what the world's gonna look like by then. But
this was coming and it was bad luck their part
that the pandemic fell right at the start of their season, too, uh,
make things much harder. The one thing that people say, well,
hockey and basketball got it together. They had already paid
their players for the most of the year. It was
much easier, um than than a sport that was scheduled

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to start as soon as the COVID nineteen started. Um
Between between now and then, between now and the new
cb A. Who can save the situation? Like? Is there
any one person, whether it's whether it's men, Manfred or
somebody from the players? I who can be somebody who
can save the c b A, save the sea? Like?

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Who can be the voice? Yeah? I don't see, I
don't see anybody out there, you know, I mean, whoever
thought would be looking long and for the good old
days of bud seiling, you know, But uh yeah, I
think that we're beyond that. They have to just hope
that they put out a good product, that people are
starved enough to watch it, that they don't get overwhelmed
by hockey and basketball playoffs, and that they have a

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really good post seas and that's that's the best case
for them. I want one of those Boston Red Sox
schedule magnance that you put on your fridge that says
Red Sox We're gonna get worse. Yeah, I got a
bumper sticker. I was all over that. Dan Shaughnessy, we
appreciate the time. Hopefully we get baseball sooner in agreement

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soon and uh I'm sure we'll check in with you
either way. I appreciate it. Dan calumnist for the Boston Globe,
Dan Shaughnessy. Find him on Twitter at Dan underscores Shaughnessy.
I will admit I was a bit fed up with
Major League Baseball yesterday. George. I'm not sure on how
much things change today. Be sure to catch the live

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edition of The Doug gott Leap Show week days at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. One other note, because
there's so much going on, Ohio State in Alabama agreeing
to a home and home in college football in in tight.
I know George's Ducks in Ohio State is supposed to
be playing in September. We just don't know they're gonna play.
And if they're gonn have fans. But if you want

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to look ahead seven or eight years from now, you
can have a big ten SEC showdown of their eyes
on in college football. I could not be any more
excited about that, Dan, and the reason why, and it's
not even for the Alabama thing. So the it is
because Ohio State, and there there are a bunch of

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other schools around who do it right. But if you
look at their future non conference Power five opponents, they
have Oregon, Oregon, Notre Dame, Notre Dame, Washington and Texas
and Washington and Texas and Boston College Alabama and Boston
College in Alabama, Georgia, Georgia. So they have years where
they're playing two and they only play nine conference games

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and they play no FCS teams. This is the way
college football scheduling is supposed to be. And that is
the one thing that the SEC needs to take note
of they need to pay attention and stop running and
playing November upcakes. As you can see danim on a
soapbox about this because it is inforating as a college

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football fan when when you see Alabama put together some
of the best recruiting classes, some of the best games,
and then you have uh, like twelve games over the
last well sorry, nine games over the last three seasons
that were just not competitive at all. Like there's no
reason like a quarter of the games that they played

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that to have played they were non competitive, and it's
just a shame. It is bad for the fans financially,
their their the product they're paying for. It's gross. Alabama
has changed their tune, but they haven't played a nonconference
game above the Mason Dixon line since Penn State in
so that how about home at home, Like that's that's

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the thing that they've been I'm willing to do. It's
the dirty little secret that I think people around the
country are starting to realize that Alabama. You know what
they'll do, George, is they'll play in all of those
kickoff games. They'll play in Arlington, Texas, They'll play in Jacksonville,
they'll play in Atlanta, which will allow their fans to
drive Dallas maybe a little bit further than most places,

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but Alabama Atlanta is a short drive, Jacksonville a little
bit further. But there are tied fans everywhere. So when
you go to those neutral field games and you're playing
Louisville or you're playing Duke, or you're playing Florida State
or or whoever, you're still getting a predominant, you know,
Alabama crowd. But then you also put it at a

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quote unquote neutral field. It's such a it was such
a tricky way of getting around it and trying to
show like, look, we're playing these teams when it's basically
a de facto home game because of the amount of
fans that would travel for those Alabama games. I mean,
it's exactly what they would do in Ohio. State has
actually been doing this. You're dating back to Jim Trestle,

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who would also try to schedule these primetime games. They
you mentioned the home and home with Texas they've got
coming up. They had one about fifteen years ago when
Vince Young was there. They obviously had one a few
years back with Oklahoma, but they have tried to schedule
you know, at least one prominent nonconference game every year,
because when you talk about recruiting, kids want to play

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in those games. They want to play into the lights,
you know, and that you don't have to run, like
when you have that much talent like the SEC, like
they'll tell you every draft, they oh, we we have
the most talent, we're the best. So why do you
schedule like this? They're like, Oh, it's the SEC's gauntlet.
No it's not. There's like four good teams a year
and they don't even all play each other in the

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regular season, So stop it, like the the the the embarrassment.
And I'm using Alabama is an example because they are
the crown jewel of the SEC and twenty their non
conference schedule USC legit college legit scheduling. Then they played
but where you know, it's yeah yeah, but I'm just saying, like,

(28:57):
at least you played a good quality opponent, but granted
it should be home at homes. Then they play Georgia State,
Kent State, and UT Martin. Then they follow up in
one with Miami in Atlanta, which is just ridiculous. And
then they play Southern Miss, New Mexico State and Mercer
and you're like, you're Alabama, like what why are you

(29:19):
doing this? It's it's so gross. It is a manipulation
of the polls. Like I've written articles about it on
my on my site, just how the polls are manipulated
when SEC teams do this. And it is just if
you want to be the best, just flex your muscles
and be the best. But when you leave room for
people to be subjective because you're scared of competition and

(29:42):
scared to lose, I I just cannot give them the
respect for the championships and all the stuff that that
that they've earned because it hasn't been as courageous as
it should be. Well, you know, and and the SEC
with their eight game conference schedule is also had where

(30:03):
you have your common opponent cross divisions. So when you're
looking at who Georgia has to play every year or
who a Florida team has to play, when you don't
when when Alabama's playing Tennessee every single year and Georgie
has got to play Auburn, it was a little different.
You know, I know Tennessee used to be Tennessee, but

(30:25):
it's not even you know, it's not equal. And then
if you have a season where a team from the
East like Georgia has got to also play LSU. Because
of the rotation of games, the Alabama SEC schedule has
not been nearly in to your point, equivalent of other
SEC schools because you're not playing everybody in those cross

(30:46):
divisions either. And when you have to play an l
s U and and UH and the just in an
Auburn and you're Georgia in the same season, where Alabama
ends up playing you know, Tennessee and Vanderbilt, you know
what I mean, you know, it's it's just it's it's
not the same. And so when you're trying to compare,
even in conference records, it's difficult to do. That's why

(31:08):
even SEC UH coaches, like when they're anonymously polled, they
feel that Alabama gets special treatment. And last year you
had Nick Saban complaining about a kickoff time. Oh we
got an eleven o'clock kickoff. Uh, so does everybody else.
I know that you think that you should get you know,
uh something better than everybody else. But it's a conference.

(31:28):
You're supposed to share the burden. And no, and truthfully,
nobody wants to see Alabama. I mean they think about
it if you, even if you're a die hard Alabama fan,
because people are always wondering, And remember they were complaining.
Tim Tebow was complaining about fans in the student section
leaving early. Nick Saban was complaining about it attendance being down,

(31:50):
And You're like, well, maybe don't schedule Mercer because you
know that what Like, why would I pay for parking,
for beers, for a ticket and all of that to
go to a game that I know it's gonna be
five thousand to ten at halftime. It's a waste of time.
I can stay at home, especially if it's if it's

(32:10):
cold outside or too hot outside, like I got other
stuff to do, and I can still watch the game,
the important part of the game. I call those games
Facebook games. You want to know why, George, because uh,
that's when your Facebook friends post, hey, looking to sell
my Alabama mercer tickets? Have got for you know, nobody's

(32:30):
like looking to sell my Alabama LSU tickets that never
pops up on Facebook, but hey looking to sell my
you t Martin Crimson Tide tickets for two weeks from Saturday. Yeah,
when Alice you has to play Florida every year and
Georgia's play Auburn. You know, maybe Tennessee you'll get better
UH in time. I am always a favorite in favor
of this because I do think that there needs to

(32:52):
be more scheduling uniformity in college sport. I'm zone college
football because the fact that you have teams playing. You
have the Big Ten, Big twelve, and the Pact twelve
all playing nine conference games, and you have the A,
C C and the SEC playing eight. The way it
equates is when you look at that over the course

(33:14):
of the season, that it equates to four losses per
season for each team when you when you average out
how many each UH go go across the conference, and
it's four and a half when you play nine conference games.
So there's gonna be more losses, which even though the
polls are supposed to reflect the best teams, the best

(33:37):
teams are gonna look like the teams that have the
most the least amount of losses. So that's where the
SEC they scheduled these as a as a whole. Granted,
I know that Georgia has scheduled some good schedules, and
so have some other people. But when you don't do that,
it allows a manipulation up the rankings because you're going
to have less losses. If you're playing a mercer, you're

(33:58):
playing a U team Martin, you're playing a fry you know,
I T. T. Tech. While the other teams are playing
a conference game. Even if it's like fourteen verses six,
eighteen versus twenty, then the other teams move up because
one of them lose. It's just so it's such a
manipulation and there has to be some uniformity in the
college football playoff. Wins don't matter as much as losses.

(34:20):
And I think that we've seen that. He's George rice Stir.
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(34:43):
George rice Stir. I'm Dan Bayer. This is the Doug
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game time side on the Doug Gottlieb Show. George, I

(35:06):
am good to bring in John Ramos, our technical producer,
our anchor, Ralph Irvin, and our executive producer today, Ryan
Burr Singer, as we will all be a part of
a game we'd like to call I feel a draft.
All right. This is where we will have two rounds
of a draft. That's that's all. It is, two rounds.
You know what we're drafting today, Guys, American cities you'd

(35:29):
want to be trapped in for sixty days. The NBA
obviously has their bubble for quarantine in Orlando, but we
will pick ten American cities that, hey, we wouldn't mind
staying two months in. This is the draft order. Ryan
Burr Singer goes first, John Ramos second, George, Rice stir third,
Ralph Irvan is fourth, and then I'm fifth, and then

(35:50):
we'll reverse that order for the second round. You guys
ready to go, George, You're ready? Yeah? Alright, alright, alright,
Ryan Burshing or you are first off with the first pick.
I believe this is number one on many big boards.
Give me Las Vegas. Interesting, Yeah, I thought plenty to do.

(36:15):
You're in a bubble. You can't do it. If you're quarantined,
you can't do Idio is a fun thing you want
to do with Las Vegas. It makes them sick. Well,
you just can't leave it, you know. We can let
him gamble with a mask on which I guess masks
are coming back to Vegas. All right, John Ramos, you
are second up. I'm afraid now here with George, I'm

(36:37):
gonna say Denver, Colorado would be my interesting Why is
a very nice city. That's a great Yeah, I love Denver.
Denver is a good city. But like your quarantine, Like,
what are you gonna do? You can look look at
the snow. All right, George, you're up third pick. I

(37:04):
want to be in Los Angeles. The reason why is
because we can stay quarantined, have good weather to work
out indoors or outdoors, and there is plenty of good
food everywhere, so we can get take out from wherever
we want to go. Oh man, okay, we're only gonna
have one round of this draft. So Ralph Irvin you

(37:26):
are up. Fourth, your pick to have a city to
be quarantined in in the United States. You can quarantine
me on the Monterey Peninsula so I can play golf
and eat delicious seafood. Oh interesting, there it is Ralph plan.
Thank you, ral Thank you. Everybody else didn't have a plan. Hey,

(37:47):
John wants to look at the snow. That's a that's
his option. I can't believe that New York City is
still here, but I would have to think that New
York City would have the most to do so if
I was stuck anywhere, I guess it'd rather be in
New York City for game. This is game time on
The Duck Gottlieb Show. All right, he's George Rice Stir.

(38:09):
I'm Dan Buyer. I am curious what our second round
would have been, but that will just have to be
for not. Coming up next is the NFL season in Jeopardy.
We'll tell you here on Fox. Be sure to catch
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(38:30):
not like the city of Denver. Okay, and I just
George were so tough almost of Denver. Denver is actually cool.
I like Denver and I like Colorado in general. I
like going to veil Aspen is one of my favorite places.
And I is just bragging. So that's how is that.

(38:53):
But but if you're quarantine, See here's the problem with
the game that we just played about whether you where
you would like to be warrantine. If you're quarantine, that
means that you can't go out and do all the
normal activities that you would want to do. So that
was why I chose l A because it's great weather.
But uh, but you're in the bubble. That's kind of

(39:13):
what it was. It was based kind of in the
Orlando bubble. You know, you can really do so much
like you could. You know, if if Ryan bur Singer
wants to play slots in the casinos are open in Vegas,
I think we should let them. You know what. Yeah,
you just can't leave Vegas. That's the only that's the
only rule. He's got to stay in that bubble for
sixty days. After three days, I'm done with Vegas by

(39:35):
the way, three days max. From There's no way I
could spend sixty days later. Okay, quick quick story. So
I used to after the season, so I played in Jacksonville,
would fly back to California, and I would always stop
in Vegas all my way back home and like with
all my bags, all my stuff or whatever I was
bringing back. One time, me and my I convinced a

(39:57):
couple of my teammates to go and they were the
you know part did it up three days all of that.
So I go to Vegas three days. I had my
hotel books, all of that, and then I was winning.
I had a great three days. I decided I'm gonna
stay a few more days, and everybody, I think I

(40:19):
left with a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars in cash.
And I guess how long I ended up there? How long?
Twenty one day? And I was trying. I didn't have
one losing day the whole time I was there. Yeah,
And I mean they were comping like eight hundred dollars

(40:40):
steaks and five bottles of wine. I had a big
two bedroom everything, dude. And so because they wanted me
to stay as long as I wanted to want to stay.
And my determining factor when I left was I woke
up and my kidneys were hurting. I felt like, and
I said, I'm gonna go home. I'm going home. And

(41:01):
so but all my friends were super happy, because you know,
you have your sports friends who were your my football
friends who were in the off season two but then
they were getting to their own stuff. And then I
had my my friends that actually worked normal nine to
five jobs, so I would be and we're super close
to l A. And the majority of them were there,
so Southwest flights, Hunter books, so I was flying people

(41:24):
in and out for however many days they could come
and just hang out the way. I wasn't there all
by myself. And yeah, that's how I made it to
twenty one days. Oh man, amazing. The the busiest places
in l A outside of the freeways and Friday are
Burbank Airport because of everybody going to Vegas l A
X as well. But those short flights to Vegas. Yeah, yeah,

(41:45):
quite busy. Well i'll tell you what. Unfortunately, George reistir
Vegas wasn't available to you in the draft, so you
had to just settle for l A. But that's the
way it goes. L A was number one in your
draft board. It's hot Vegas, dude, It is blood fire
out there. Man. I know, I said yesterday, if you're
gonna hold that NHL games, how in the world can

(42:06):
you do it in the middle of July. I understand
the technology, you could have indoor ice, but when it's
a hundred and ten degrees, I don't know. The NHL
has gotta figure something out, so does the NFL. Dr
Anthony Fauci making the rounds, including on The Dan Patrick
Show earlier today, talking about the possibility of an upcoming

(42:26):
NFL season and what the NFL would have to do.
Don't be alarmed if Fouci gets cut off in this cut,
but here was Dr Fouci at DP earlier today at
Fox Sports Radio. I know that they're trying their best
to be cautiously optimistic. You have to weigh what you're
talking about. Are you talking about getting a sport going
that can be observed mainly, you're not gonna have people

(42:49):
sitting in the stands close to each other if you
can get away with either televised completely or a very
serious social distancing. That from Dr Anthony Fauci, who will
also add George told Uh. Dr Sanjay Gupta on CNN quote,

(43:10):
unless players are essentially in a bubble, insulated from the community,
and they are tested nearly every day, it would be
very hard to see how football is able to be
played now. The NFL did respond saying that they are
doing everything they can and we'll have uh strict league
protocols in moving forward. But when you hear this message

(43:31):
from Dr Anthony Fauci, how much do you think that
the NFL season could be altered or in jeopardy for
the upcoming year. I think you are a madman if
you believed at any point that it could not be
in jeopardy. I mean, it's a situation to where, all right,
you have the numbers, the data set, all of that.

(43:54):
Let's just take for example, what went on yesterday here
here in the United States, California alone, you have four
thousand new cases, Texas thirty five hundreds, Florida hundred, North
Carolina over a thousand, Arizona is over almost at two thousand,
as well as in new cases. And we know that

(44:16):
death's lag behind those like you know, severely. So it's
a question of it feels like a question oh, not when,
but but if and if you can keep things flat
enough to where people still feel comfortable going out to
games and all of this. And I know that people
will tell you, oh, well, the positivity rates are down

(44:36):
and all of that, but if you but I just
liked I don't consider my I mean, I'm not a
medical professional, but I like to fashion myself as a
person who uses logic. And I say, in the beginning,
we weren't testing everybody, only the people that were pretty
much you believed had it or had direct contact with.
Now the the testing window is expanding. So yes, your

(45:01):
your positivity rates should fall dramatically, but that doesn't mean
that you're that as the cases increase, that necessarily that
the deaths won't follow, which is what ultimately can stop sports.
It's not positivity cases, it's death that would cause a
particular problem in in the NFL. And I hope that

(45:22):
this is that this doesn't mess up football season, because
I will be I I know there's gonna be a
lot of people who are I rate. And this was
you know, the governor in California, Gavin Newsom today now
requiring all people to wear masks when they're out in public,
and this was this is kind of if if you
remember and I know the rest of the country doesn't

(45:43):
remember this, or if even if you're listening overseas on
the I Heart radio app may not know this, but
in the state of California in March, there wasn't early
on like there wasn't a hey, we need you to
stay home, we need you to stay in. It was
kind of a alright, be smarter about this. And then
everybody went to the beach, and so then they had
to be like this data to be like, Okay, nobody listens,

(46:07):
so we have to shut everything down, like like nobody
is staying home, nobody's wearing masks. And I always felt
it was it was trying to to save the ten
percent from everybody else who was actually trying to be safe.
And now when I feel like we kind of tried
to rush back with certain things, maybe we did take
a step back. And I've always been and I think
to what you're saying, I've always been to the subscribing

(46:30):
to the group of as long as we have football season,
I'll do whatever I need to do or to stay away,
or to be safe, or you know, to hold back
if we can have a football season. And now when
you see where we are after those three or four months,
I'm I'm right with you and I don't know, like
how you could not think that things could be altered. Heck,

(46:51):
think about this, George. The NBA season is going to
start July. Training camps for a couple of teams are
scheduled to start before that because of the Hall of
Fame game that the Steelers and Cowboys were gonna play,
So you would have some teams practicing by then. But
if the NBA is going to a serious bubble in
Orlando with guys wearing buzzers, how in the world was

(47:13):
the NFL going to operate at the same time by
flying all, you know, thirty two teams across the country
for road games, this and that. It just does not
seem realistic at all. When one league is taking such
huge precautions and I understand that it's an indoor setting,
while another league is just kind of trying to go
about by business as usual. That tells me more about

(47:34):
how the NBA is handling things where we are than
what the NFL is doing. Yeah, hopefully the NFL is
having these private conversations, these contingency plans, because you know,
having thirty two teams in what twenty eight basically twenty
eight cities like that is just that's tough to do

(47:56):
because you do have to fly from place to place,
and you do, and that means when you fly, you
do have to go through T s A requirements and it,
granted is not in the regular airport. People have to
handle your your bags, all of it. So now you're
actually it's your risk is significantly higher than what you're
seeing with the NBA bubble down in Orlando. So and

(48:19):
everybody says, oh, well, these players aren't in a high
risk group. They're young, they're healthy. Yeah, that's true for
the most part. But when you look at the coaches
it NBA coaches you got you know, D'Antoni, uh you
you have Gregg Popovich and a bunch of other guys.
And in the NFL, the Super Bowl winning coach is

(48:42):
overweight and old. You got Bruce Arians who who could
drop dead. I mean, like granted, and it's not even
a hyperbolely they just he just talked about it on
Real Sports about a year ago. His wife didn't even
want him to coach anymore, and he was like, well,
if I die, if if like like Drago said, if
if he dies, he died. And so you have coaches

(49:02):
who are at high risk. You have some players like
um Mark Andrews, the tight ends, yeah, who has diabetes.
You have other people who have hypertension, some of the
bigger guys like there are people who you don't think
who seem to be healthy, who are in the at
risk group two, which makes playing extremely difficult. I think

(49:23):
it was Pro Football Talk that spoke to a couple
of coaches as well, as they're saying, I don't know
how you can how you can start a season and
and with the amount of players, and you know, the
University of Texas just had thirteen football players test positive
for for COVID nineteen and and it's not that positive tests,
and everybody has said, you know that you're gonna have
some positive tests. I'm just thinking that the amount of

(49:46):
is maybe a little bit more than people, you know,
would have believed all of those numbers. I think that
the NFL will end up trimming those preseason games. I
think when they get closer and closer, they're gonna realize
that there's gonna be a lot more changes because now
they're kind of up to bad baseball. The NBA, you know,
they had their season stopped or couldn't even start the

(50:06):
NFL could kind of coach through and navigate it. But
now the NFL's turned to the plate. It's gonna be
coming up. There's gonna be some decisions to make, and
they can't mess this up because if you failed to prepare,
then you prepared to fail. Because like if you haven't
at least made a contingency plan for there being a
second wave, which a lot of medical experts have said

(50:29):
that they believe there will be, if you haven't made
a plan for that, a contingency plan, then you have
completely just missed the mark, and it's gonna be even
It's easier for them to quote unquote bubble professionals because
they're being paid and they're being paid well, so it's
easier to do that. But when you look at the translation,
like you brought up at the University of Texas with

(50:51):
their team cases. Houston didn't even test anybody when they
came back, and they had a bunch of cases. U
c f s had a bunch of cases. And so
you you have to, you know, wonder, how are you
supposed to keep college students who some of them have
to have in person classes just so college football can
be played like so It's like, how do you manage

(51:14):
that for college football? Because I love college football with
all of my heart, Dan, and I just would be
just devastated at at that because everybody knows I'm an
Oregon Ducks fan, and I was. I felt so bad
for Sabrina, for Sabrina I and Sq the women's basketball player,
how their season ended when she you know, the whole

(51:36):
thing with Kobe, all of that, and then coming into
football season. If we missed that, Dad, you will have
to come to my my, my house and console me.
I will be crying in a corner. Oh man, I'll
tell you what I'm crying in my corner this week. Um.
He's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer. This is the
du Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio because instead

(51:57):
of watching the RBC Heritage I actually feel we should
be at the US Open at Winged Foot, where we
have broadcasted for years here on Fox Sports Radio. But uh,
one of Gulf's biggest events of the year, we now
have to wait until September four. You I'm used to
used to watching the first round of the US Open
on the Thursday. We don't have that today. Coming up

(52:19):
next we'll talk about the future of the US Open
with the head of the Championships for the U s
g A. John Bowdenhammer. He'll join us here on Fox
Sports Radio. Be sure to catch the live edition of
the Doug gott Leap Show week days at three pm
Easter noon Pacific. He's George Rice stir NFL veteran. I'm
Dan Buyer. We are sitting in for Doug today here

(52:39):
on Fox Sports Radio, and a big piece of me
missing As it's mid June, it's a Thursday. I feel
like I should be watching the US Open. Unfortunately, we're
gonna have to wait until September to do that. By
the way, you can see it on Fox Sports One
in Fox when it comes around. Joining us now to
talk about I guess maybe who's missing it more than anybody.
He's the senior Managing Director of Championships for the USA

(53:01):
and basically the guy in charge of the US Open.
John Bodenhammer joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, John,
how are you today? Doing great? Dann? George is sure
great to be with you during US Open Week original
US Open week anyway. I know that's the crazy thing
is I know how I'm feeling. I can't imagine what
you are feeling this week because everybody's got their routines,

(53:23):
whether it be in fall, winter, spring, but I mean
mid June for the U S g A and the
U S Open. What has this been a week been
alike for you with no major going on right now? Well,
you know, Dan, it's a great question, I think. I
guess whistle is kind of a word that I think about.
I would say that it even started a couple well

(53:43):
a couple of weeks ago, if not a week ago,
last Sunday, when we were all kind of chatting about,
you know, should we be raising the trophy for a
new US Women's Open champion. In the next day would
be final qualifying with about a thousand players aroun the
country and around the world trying to earn their way
into the US Open. And I think it started there,

(54:06):
and then we would have been at wingfoot last week's
setting holes and teas and getting the golf course ready
and building grandstands. So it's been you know, after thirty
years of the US Open, one way or another in
my life, it is different for sure. How important is
golf getting back, I mean in terms of being one

(54:27):
of the first sports back only things on television, so
you have a chance to grow the game. Is the
p G A considering that with all their decisions they
are and I think we're doing it together and doing
it in a collaborative way. We have regular calls with
the PGA Tour and the pg of America. The Master's
European Tour has been very collaborative, and I think we
looked at it very much that way. And you look

(54:49):
at golf clubs around the country. People have a pent
up demand to get outside and have some fun and
do something that is athletically related, and golf has been
a beneficiary of that. You talked to most clubs, private,
public resort, Uh, They're bursting at the scene. People want
to get out and play, even in a socially distancing way.
And I think the way that the tour looks at

(55:09):
it is is just that they want to get back
to business. They want to be inspiring. And I think
for us, thinking about wingfoot and and and and conducting
a US Open and what has been the epicenter of
the virus in our country, we think could be a
pretty amazing and inspirational achievement of its own. John Bowden Hamer,
Senior Managing Director of Championships for the us G joining

(55:30):
US here on Fox Sports Radio. It is the Doug
Gottlieb Show, George Reis star and myself Dan buy Er
in for Doug today. What I think that some people
may not realize, John, is you will have people on
site years in advance. It's not like you just show
up in April and put on a tournament in June.
You are there years in advance. And along with that,
you're trying to get the course. Maybe in twenty nineteen

(55:53):
in June at Wingfoot it's peaking, so you know how
it's going to be um a year from that point.
And and and you probably did that two years prior.
How has now the championship being moved from June to
September altered the plans for the specific course because of
all the planning that you guys usually put into it. Yeah,

(56:13):
that's a great question. And you know a US Open, well,
any any U s H championship, and we we t
in a typical year, we have fourteen of them, along
with some international competitions. There are not only months in
the planning, but they're they're years in the planning and uh,
you know, a US Open it is just so unique.
We build a small city where we go huh, and
that the planning is comprehensive and integrated throughout the community,

(56:36):
throughout the region. I think it all starts with the
golf course. Wingfoot is one of our most iconic historic sites.
It is just a a revered US Open side. When
you think of the champions that has come through there,
from Bob Jones to Billy Caspert, you know, you go
down the list, Fuzzy Zeller, some great US Open history.
It's all happened in June for the most part, and

(56:59):
it's just going to be different this year, like everything
else is this year. With what everybody is doing in
any sport, September presents a really wonderful time to play
in the Northeast and we really wanted to play the
US Open at Wingfoot and to be able to do
so in September. It'll be different. Uh, you know, we'll
have less daylight and us the field is not one

(57:19):
and fifty six players, it will be a hundred, simply
because the daylight is limited. But we do think with
the magnificent nature of what Wingfoot is, you could you
could actually you could dial wingfoot up in a week
or two and play the US Open there in almost
any years, that type of place, it's that type of test.
But I think that the fall presents us an opportunity

(57:41):
to really get the golf force firm and fast like
we like to get. The weather is still an average
temperature of seventies seven degrees in June this week could
be about AD two. We look at that closely, and
it's going into our preparations, so you know, will be
back in session. Hopefully that changes things with volunteers and
parking and all of those things. So it's a lot
they're from and then you file on all the health

(58:02):
and safety considerations. We're basically starting from scratch, John, I
know everybody will be excited to see the US Open,
whether it's in June September, because it's always one of
the best, uh and most challenging golf map of events
that there is. But how about the entire season, Being

(58:22):
that the season is getting pushed back on on some level,
could it affect one and the schedule going forward? George,
That's an excellent question, and he answers, yes it will. Uh.
We are in June, UH in one at Tory Pines
where maybe you know, certainly one of the greatest US

(58:42):
Opens ever win Tiger one on a broken leg. Who
will ever, nobody will ever forget that and that putty
made in on the seventy second hold to get into
the playoff with rock Omidi a um, And I think
it will it will be fine in our print to
Tory Pines are magnificent. But make no mistake about it.
As US Open in September and the US Women's Open,

(59:03):
think about this in December on two golf courses, takes
us right up to the end of the year. Our
time for planning has got to be condensed. And uh
yet we're up for the task. We're certainly wagons to
get it done. And we think again the opportunity to
do something special in the fall, in the winter and
the year off will be worth it the amount in
charge of the US Open, John Bowdenhamer joining us here

(59:26):
on Fox Sports Radio. I mean, I guess you could
pick you know, a hundred different places in this country,
but the epicenter of where the coronavirus outbreak was was
where Wingfoot is and and I can't imagine navigating that
challenge Where are you guys in terms of spectators being allowed?
How are those plans? Are there? Any information? Will will

(59:48):
fans be allowed to be on site for the event
in September? Sure? Well, I think the way that we've
approached this is, you know, the heart perhaps one of
the hardest things around UH, COVID nineteen has been in
the unknown and and and the fact that it can
change in a heartbeat. I will say this, I think
that Wingfoot Golf Club has been an amazing partner they have.

(01:00:10):
It's not this isn't what they signed up for many
years ago. And UH, I think that, you know, the
way we're looking at it is to be as flexible
and as nimble as we can. We've developed multiple scenarios.
It's too early to say whether we'll have fans or not.
We're I'd say, we're cautiously optimistic, uh, as you may
have as most people know that the trends of metrics

(01:00:32):
in New York and the New York area, the Westchester County,
New York City area are trending positively. The the those
infected by the viruses are on the decline. That's a
that's great news. That's the most important news. And We've
tried to be respectful of that while we've seeking guidance
from state officials. Medical officials got great medical advisors. But

(01:00:53):
we're cautiously optimistic if things continue on the positive, we
feel we feel optimistic about have fans on site. How
many can't tell you, and we will follow exactly what
the state allows us to do. Well, it's uh three
months away. It's such a weird week, John, I have
no idea how you guys can do it, but we
expect a great event and uh yeah, then you'll gotta

(01:01:16):
be in our neighborhood, as he said, one with Tory Bonds,
just a couple of hours away from us here in
Los Angeles. So John, we appreciate the time, we appreciate
the info, and uh best of luck to you guys,
and hopefully things get back to normal soon. We appreciate
it well, thanks for having me on. We love our
partners at Fox, and we think it's gonna be a
big exclamation point where crown a US Open champion in September. Thanks, guys,

(01:01:36):
can't wait to see it. John Bowdenhammer, Senior Managing Director
of Championships for the U s G A basically the
guy in charge of the US Open. He's George rice Stir.
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. George, you know, the last time we
got together on the Doug Gottlieb Show, we kind of
put John Ramos to the test and how well he

(01:01:58):
knew you. Do you remember that the game we called
by George? Okay, now you and John Ramos will be
going head to head in a game that is sweeping
the nation. Okay, are you ready for this? I'm ready?
Jaguars is next? Or Jake Wars. Fox Sports Radio has

(01:02:18):
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to listen live. Is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Yes, jag Wars. It's tough for me
to even say. I tried to come up with a
punny name. Jag Wars. How about that because that's where

(01:02:40):
George rice Stir spent his NFL career. We're gonna have
a little game between you and John on Jacksonville Jaguars Trivia.
All right, you guys, go head to head. I have
six true false questions. You both will give answers and
we will see who fares the best in owing the
Jacksonville Jaguars. Isn't the guy who played his entire NFL

(01:03:05):
career for them? Or is it the guy that doesn't
care to sense about the Jacksonville Jaguars? George, John, are
you ready to play jag Wars? Yes? Dan? All right, George, alright,
here we go. Let's start out question number one. These
are all true false questions. In learning a little bit

(01:03:26):
more about the Jacksonville Jaguars, you just have to tell
me if this is a true or false statement. In
let's just say the mid nineties, the oldest living jaguar
in North America was in Jacksonville, Florida, leading the Jacksonville
NFL expansion team to be called the Jaguars. Is that
true or false? True? John, what do you say that

(01:03:53):
is true? Yes? Actually it was probably about three was
the time on the expansion franchise was awarded and obviously
starting play in But the oldest living jaguar was anti
Jacksonville Zoo. And yet some nice alliteration there was that
a guest, Georgia, did you know that? Okay? All right,

(01:04:14):
that was a guest guest by John, But you're both
one for one. Question number two, the nicknames that didn't
make the cut where the Jacksonville Sharks and the Jacksonville Five.
Is that true or false? John, You're gonna go up first, George, Okay,

(01:04:35):
that is false. There is no Jacksonville five. That would
have been awesome though that actually would have been great.
Sharks was a possibility. Stingray was another possibility as well. Yeah,
it would have been one of the few professional leagues.
Well team mascots that don't end with an S. Yes,
that's true. That's there are very few of them. You have.

(01:04:58):
People always look at them magic and the Heat, George
when you think of like pro sports teams that are
the Colorado Avalanche. But then people forget about the White
Sox and Red Sox because of the X in Major
League Baseball. So yeah, yep, two for two. You guys
are Let's see if you could go three for three, George,
Europe First, the Jacksonville Jaguars pick second in the NFL Draft,

(01:05:23):
behind the Panthers at number one, because Jacksonville had the
first pick in the expansion draft. Is that true or false? Um?
I know that they did have the in the expansion Draft.
They did have the number one pick, and they picked
uh Steve burn Line. But I don't think that that

(01:05:44):
was the reason why they had the second pick in
the draft though. Okay, so you're gonna say false false.
I'm gonna it's true. That is the reason why No.
Carolina ended up trading their pick to the Bengals first overall,
where the Bengals took Joanna Carter and the Panthers took
Carry Collins. But yeah, because Jacksonville had that pick and

(01:06:05):
head number one, it took Steve Burlin in the expansion Draft,
they gave Carolina the first pick in the UH college
player Draft. John Ramos leads George rice Stir three to
two in Jaguars here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, George,
time to even the score. But John starts off first.
The Jaguars have never had the first overall pick in

(01:06:27):
the NFL draft. Is that true or false? John, You're
up first. I'm going to say that they've never had
the first pick at all period. Okay, the first overall
pick they've never had it. Is that true or false?
I'm gonna say that's true. True. Okay, George, that is

(01:06:47):
one hundred percent true. They've never had it. That is correct.
It is true. Yes, four for four for John Ramos,
it's it's crazy. For as bad as they've been, you know,
they've never been. They've had the number two pick twice.
I think it was Tony Boselli and that opening uh draft,

(01:07:08):
and then maybe Kevin I want to say, Kevin Hardy.
I'm not Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah, after after
the browns um I think took uh was it Courtney Brown?
I believe that could have been the year. Yeah, and
then you had Blake Bortles at number three. He also
had him, but never number one. John Ramos, you're four
for four. Let's see if you can even it up here.

(01:07:30):
On Jake Wars, fans were given teal colored candy at
games early on in the franchise's history, so their tongues
would be teal, just like their logo. Is that true
or false? George, I'm gonna go with false, Okay, John Ramos,
that sounds like something that that would be kind of fun.

(01:07:52):
I said, that's true. It is true they were given candy.
There was also a time where they gave suckers because
as uh, it would also turn your your tongue teal.
A little little little tidbit there about the Jacksonville Jaguars logo.
I think everybody knows that because it looked like the
Jaguar car logo. That Ford Motor Company wasn't having that,

(01:08:15):
so they had to change it. But the teal tongue
was actually a thing. Wayne Weaver, the UH former owner,
had them pass out teal colored candy. Wow. John Romins
is going for a perfect score, George. You can finish
with a respectable four of six if you get this
question right. Final one here in Jaguars. The Jaguars have

(01:08:37):
the fewest playoff appearances of any of the thirty two
NFL franchises. Is that true or false? Not games, just
appearances in the playoffs setting. John Ramos M. Hmmm, it's
tough to be perfect. Let's see the fewest jackson it's

(01:08:59):
a UM, I'm gonna say that's true, Okay, George, UM,
I'm gonna go with that is false. Vic Yeah, I'm
gonna go a that that that's false because I went
to the playoffs with him twice. They had been a
bunch of times with you know, with thunder and lightning.

(01:09:20):
Keenan Markette, UM McCardell, and UM Jimmy Smith that why
wide receiver. And they've been kind of recently too. And
I think the Bucks are gonna be yeah, fighting around there.
But I'm gonna go with the Jaguars, even though the
team has only been around for you know, like twenty
five years. John said false. George says true. No, excuse me,

(01:09:43):
John said true. George said false. It is false. Yes,
seven playoff appearances the Houston Texans actually have. I forgot
about them, so they only have six. So John, your
perfect game, you lost it in the bottom of the
ninth inning, but you do win Jaguars here today, five

(01:10:06):
to four over George Rice stir congratulations man five. Yeah,
you only have four George, Yeah, you ruined the perfect game.
So that's okay. It's it was rigged. How am I
supposed to believe? So this is my second time on
the Leave Show doing this. First time he goes. The

(01:10:28):
first time he goes, he tries to throw throw it off,
getting the last question wrong. The way, I'm not hip
to what's going on. I see it, I hear you.
I see Mr rom You notice how John locked up
victory first before getting one wrong. Like, you want to
make sure that he's mathematically going to win before he,
you know, tried to throw on. I told, I said,

(01:10:49):
I can't lose, but let's go for this the perfect score.
So you actually, George, you don't know this. John named
this uh Son who's love and months old Jackson after Jacksonville.
I was about to say, if he named his kid Jackson,
that would be interesting because, um, one of my friends

(01:11:10):
whose kid plays on my flag football team with with
with my son to Rrell Davis's kid, one of his
kids names is just so happens to be Jackson. So
I was gonna ask how you how he spelled it?
But now it was a trick. I'll tell you what.
If my name was Jackson, that's what my bedroom would
be called. It would be Jacksonville, That's what I would
call it. I would get a sign of the city

(01:11:32):
limits outside the door. Uh, that's for sure. All right,
A little a little we got to know a little
bit more about the Jacksonville Jaguars and the team. Did
you enjoy your time at Jacksonville, George, Yeah, I did.
I mean it was a it was my first NFL experience.
But then when I went up to I had a
cup of coffee with the New York Giants and it

(01:11:53):
was seeing the difference in playing for a historical NFL
franchise has been around for so long as championships and
to see the relationship with the city, it's completely different.
Like when we used to play um the Cowboys, Steelers, Giants,
there would be more of those fans in the stands

(01:12:16):
because what would happen is the people who were in
Jacksonville were fans of those teams before the Jaguars came
to town, so they would be Jaguars fans. But then
when they're real to quote unquote real team came to town,
they would show their true colors. And you know, so
the longer and longer than a team is ingrained in

(01:12:37):
a city. So you have kids that have been born
grown up with the Jaguars around. So now they have
a you know, a true fan base that they can
continue to build on for generations, which is how you
build a brand in professional sports like that. He's George Reister.
I'm Dan Buyer. This is the Doug Gottlib Show on

(01:12:57):
Fox Sports Radio. Is a sophomore NFL quarterback on the
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Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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(01:13:20):
to have you with us. Find George on Twitter at
George rice Stir. I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox. A
little bit earlier today here on Fox Sports Radio. On
Fox Sports One, something interesting was said about a young
quarterback in the NFL. We'll hear about it in a
segment we like to call and Now. George Colin cow

(01:13:42):
heard today on The Herd, talked about the upcoming season
for one, Daniel Jones of the New York Giants. Now
look at Daniel Jones rookie year eleven starts, completion percentage
and a half passer rating, twenty three touchdowns nine its, folks,
he is a he's a baller. I was wrong, kid

(01:14:04):
can play. Joe Burrow gets those numbers. All you Pom
palm waving fanboys are gonna be on my arts all year.
Those are grown up numbers. Bad coach, battleline, no Number
one receiver, say Kwan hurt ingram out take out the
New England game, Dude, Camball, I was totally wrong. Dude

(01:14:29):
can play. Joe Burrow gets those he will win Rookie
of the Year. If Joe Burrow gets those numbers, he
will win Rookie of the Year. And I'm not sure
the Giants personnel wise are that much better than the Bengals.
The Giants are a hell of a lot closer to
the Bengals than Cleveland's roster. That's all I know. That's

(01:14:50):
from Colin Cowhard earlier today. Um, your thoughts, George on
his thoughts about Daniel Jones. First of all, that that's
a spicy take right there. That's spicy, Colin. But Colin
is not wrong right there. He's not because when you
look at Daniel Jones's body of work, yes, there were

(01:15:11):
some problems there, weren't you know, there wasn't a consistency
that you like to see. But he was a rookie
quarterback in the NFL dealing with a tough situation. You know,
you got Eli Manning, he was on the way out.
You know how they were handling that. It was a
lot to deal with and granted, all the wide receivers hurt, like,

(01:15:33):
it was a very tough set of circumstances. So I'm
not gonna call him a baller. Though I'm not calling
him baller, I'm saying this rookie year was solid. Like
it was a solid rookie year, Like there's no reason
for you to be thinking, oh, should we draft another quarterback?
You're like, na, we might have one. So I think
that this sophomore season is going to be the telltale

(01:15:53):
sign in Daniel Jones. Like if he makes a huge leap,
then it's it's cool. But if your quarterback, if he
continued to stay at that level, then no, you're not
gonna be happy. But is it But does it show
promise and give people a reason to have hope? Absolutely? Now,
Daniel Jones appeared in thirteen games for the Giants, didn't

(01:16:14):
obviously missed three. But by those accounts, I think Joe
Burrow will have more passing yards. I think that Burrow
will have more touchdowns. Um. I just it's funny because
I didn't look at it as baller. I looked at
Daniel Jones had a great, great debut against the Buccaneers,
and Collins said take out the New England game. Okay,
I get that, but then you look at the teams

(01:16:35):
where he did light up. Who are the Lions, Jets
and Redskins? And maybe the Jets weren't as bad as
people thought, but the Lions and Redskins were. So there's
gonna have to be some some you know, some more
growing pains. You know, I got like Kyler Murray through
forty seven yards. Uh, you know, I didn't have as
many touchdowns, but there's I just I want to say,

(01:16:57):
pump the brakes on Daniel Jones, because I also think
the Giants are are always off and someone like Joe
Burrow and Cincinnati has more talent than around him, even
with Sae Kwon Barkley New York than uh than Daniel
or than Joe Burrow has. Joe Burrow has more talent.
Kind of a conversation we talked about yesterday. But I
also think it's way too early, George to say if

(01:17:17):
you are right or wrong about Daniel Jones. Yeah, but
you have to have a take. You do, easterge Ryster,
I'm Dan Buyer. George's take on Mike Gundy's future that's
coming up next. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific. Glenn to have you with us on

(01:17:39):
this Thursday, keeping our eye on everything that's happening in
the world of sports, whether it be baseball, whether it
be news from the NBA or even the National Football League.
Ralph Irvan coming up in about forty five minutes will
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and it will also have the latest of breaking news
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I dot Com joins us here in twenty minutes on

(01:18:00):
Fox Sports Radio, and there's a lot to talk about
in the world of college sports, George, and specifically we
go to Stillwater, Oklahoma, and and you know, and in
doing the show that we're doing because it is Doug
Gottlieb's show and he is in Oklahoma State. Alam. I
know Doug will Wayne on this in dougalbe in tomorrow
as well. But the conversation about Mike Gundy, the Oklahoma
State head coach, is going on everywhere throughout the country

(01:18:24):
because there was It started this week with the O A.
N shirt that he wore with Cuba Hubbard speaking out
about it, there were the various apologies, and now the
latest is with former Colorado football player Alfred Williams speaking
out that Gundy used a racial slur towards him when
they played each other in a game in nineteen eighty nine,

(01:18:44):
something that was reported my papers back then. We have
not heard any statement from Oklahoma State or Gundy on
these allegations from Alfred Williams, and that to me, so
we started off the show, was a bit surprising because
we have seen respond is from like Gundy. Heck, we've
seen three of them so far since that you hub

(01:19:04):
Hubbard situation came up. But now with this, it's been
a bit quiet and still water. I first want to address, Yeah,
this is that Alfred Williams allegations that he said this
started one years ago, but the people's initial reacts were, oh,
it started one years ago. Why are you bringing this up.
He's just using it now because everything that's going on

(01:19:25):
in the culture, the temperature, the world, all the that.
Uh No, he brought it up then, nobody just cared
about it. It's one of those things when things happen
in the past, you use the past to build a case,
to build an argument for either a person's character or
to either defend them or not be able to defend them,

(01:19:49):
and earn our reputations and the things that you do
over time really earn that. So it's like, if you
have someone who is a criminal who has been to
jail multiple time times and you and there's another crime
that's committed and they were potentially a suspect, are people
going to lean towards the person who has committed a

(01:20:11):
bunch of crimes or the person who doesn't have any
crimes on the rap sheet. So that's what happens there,
and that's the reason why this is being resurfaced for
Mike Gundi and I just look at this as a
pattern of it has to do with your character, what
you really think about things that are going on out

(01:20:32):
in the world, because you're he's making millions of dollars,
have become a multimillionaire coach off the back of black bodies.
So I think that like Tom Herman came out and said,
he was like, hold up, I need you to cheer
for these dudes the same way outside of that, when
they don't have their uniform on and root for them

(01:20:53):
in life, in the equality and all of this outside
of the uniform as you do inside. So the ultimate
test is can these people? Would you be okay if
one of these UH black football players are black man
in general, if they married your daughter? That's where you
really know the temperature of okay? Is there any you know,

(01:21:14):
resentment in my heart that I'm not haven't yet dealt
with the the question that I wonder and that I
don't know the answer to. I I I wonder. I
guess I have an opinion. I don't know how it's
going to go out. But I told you earlier I
don't know the way that UH Gundy remains as the

(01:21:39):
head coach. And it should be stated that Alfred Williams
also said, look, I don't want the guy to be fired.
That's not the point. I just I want an apology
and I want to see some growth with Mike Gundhi.
My question is and and the question that it's not
even a question I think that you can answer. George,
was the issue with with the wearing the T shirt

(01:22:01):
and not being UH completely in the loop on O
N and you brought up a quote of him finding
the network saying this a couple of months ago, saying
that this network is great, and now Gunda uses the
the line of that he didn't realize that this was
a network that UH didn't believe in the Black Lives

(01:22:22):
Matter movement, and that he was he was surprised by it.
My whole point is this is I thought that there
was room for Mike Gundhi to show UH that he
you know, he can he changed, or he can change
and now understands things better through actions. I don't know
how you can do that now because of of the

(01:22:44):
word that he used and all of the other things
that are associated with being the head football coach. It's
talking about boosters, it's talking about sponsors, But realistically, I
just don't know what you say to the family of
an eighteen year old black kid when you go to
his home to try to get him to come to
your university. And that's the part that I look at
and say, I don't know how you get around it.

(01:23:07):
So I think that there's going to be movement in
that aspect. If I say that I believe that Mike
Gunney probably won't remain that coach at Oklahoma State. What
do you say to that based on those reasons, I
would be okay. I'm I'm okay with Honestly, I'm okay
with either result. I think that the result has to
be based upon Hey, the kids to have to play

(01:23:29):
for him, first thing and a and his pattern of behavior.
If there is other smoke where this is, where this
has come from, then yeah, then yes you can terminate him,
because ultimately it's about the university is bigger than Mike Gundy.
Every university, even in Alabama is bigger than Nick Saban

(01:23:53):
because you you have students that are gonna be there
after he before he was there after he was there
all in this. Yeah, he will be in the history books.
But look at Penn State. Everybody thought Joe Paterno was
Penn State. No, it can be all unra very very quickly.
So I don't have a problem with him staying because

(01:24:15):
but I don't have any problem in being being fired.
I think it should be left up to his team,
to the boosters, to the faculty, because you have to
create an inclusive place at these universities for people of
all diverse backgrounds to feel comfortable, because that's where your
grant money is gonna come from. That's where your pride

(01:24:37):
in your university because I mean, imagine if people if
the name Oklahoma State is now synonymous with oh, with
with with something else, then that is gonna lower the
amount of people who enroll in your university applied to it,
and which will ultimately lower the prestige which people want
as at the universities they go to. That's how they

(01:24:57):
handle it. And and and it's a it's amazing because
with with as long as he's been the head coach there,
what what is the thing that Mike Gunde is most
known for? It It's I'm a man, I'm forty right
like that, Like if you talk to people who don't
know college football or just you know, maybe aren't huge
college football fans, but you hear the sound by its
like oh yeah, yeah, I know that. Like I I

(01:25:19):
realized that. And that's what's so amazing about it is
is really like that that's what he's known for. But
now I think that this is going to be the
thing that trumps it because of not only of just
where we are, but what it is. And and you
mentioned the boosters and the players, like I even I
don't even think that you can can leave it up
to players, and I know it's not the same situation,

(01:25:41):
but you know, sometimes the head coach will leave after
the regular season for another job, and then an assistant
takes over and they win their bowl game and everybody's happy,
and you're like, this guy needs to have the job.
You know, this is our guy. Like you take like
a three week window and are like, well, geez, all
the players like him. Everybody like, let's just continue this role.
Really okay? Sure, I even had some other thoughts in

(01:26:04):
my head. It's just probably not the best decision because
it is such a bigger picture and how you move forward.
So these players here who have a relationship with Mike Gundy,
and I don't want to put words in their mouth
and how they feel. However, I would think that most
of them probably would stick up for their coach, even
though we saw a Chuba Hubbard earlier this week stand
up to him. The question is, isn't the best for

(01:26:26):
the university? And I don't know if that's the case. See,
I would note what happened with UH with Dabo Sweeney
and at Clemson when people came out and said that
he didn't handle the situation right. When the coach said
the in word and you know some other things. What
did he do? He fixed some things in his locker room.

(01:26:48):
A and be former and current players came out and
stood up for Dabbo. They're like, he's a high character individual. Yeah,
he's got some growing to do in some areas, but
he's a good dude. We we we love him. You
haven't heard that about You haven't heard people standing up
from the rooftop shouting about Mike Gundhi, which is kind

(01:27:10):
of telling because you had that at Utah with Morgan Scali,
but you didn't have it here when it came to
when when when it's coming to Mike Gundhi. And there
are so many people out there who are gonna say, oh, well, well,
Mike Gundy, he can't be racist, he or or have
beliefs that are different about people because he goes into

(01:27:32):
inner city, pulls all these kids out of poverty. He's
he's like he's the white savior, Like, no, man. The
reality is, it's in Mike Gundhi's best interest to get
these black kids from wherever they are the best football
players he can possibly recruit, whether they're from good neighborhoods,
bad neighborhoods, whatever, he wants the best players because that

(01:27:54):
keeps his pockets lined and him to keep his job.
And so yes, he would do that. But also whoever
is in that position as they head coach of Oklahoma
State football is going to be recruiting those same kids
like he's not doing them any favors, He's only doing
himself the favor. Like it's a selfish proposition. One guy

(01:28:16):
is making a millions and millions of dollars, wants to
keep his job, keep his reputation, So of course he
even if he doesn't like somebody. I'm not accusing him
of that because I don't know for sure, but if
even if he does, like have any animosity towards black
people in any way, why wouldn't why wouldn't he still

(01:28:37):
recruit them because he there then making him money. So
that's why you have to go to the Tom Herman
route and a bunch of other coaches that have come
out and said, we have to stand up for our
players and our fans need to stand up for them
the same exact way that you do on Saturdays. Because
if you love him, then you gotta love him at
every single point the same way that you would want

(01:28:57):
your brother's sister, daughter, or any thing like that treat it.
I do think that this situation is a little different
from Clemson and from Utah for the fact of the matter,
and it's it's not an excuse, but I think that
they're different because it's not the head coach saying saying it,
and Mike Gunney wasn't the head coach at that time.

(01:29:19):
It was a player. Not that I'm giving an excuse,
but it's also I do think it's different when it's
an assistant or someone else on the staff as opposed
to the actual guy who was doing it. I do
think that there is a difference there, and that's why
I think it's a different than than maybe what Clemson
and Utah have as well of of just of of
of trying to reflect on, say Dabbo Sweeney's program, it

(01:29:43):
it would be different if it was, you know, said
by the head coach like it was in this situation. Yeah,
I think that that that does factor into whether he
keeps this job or not, or how the discipline can
be doled out, because the head coach can't discipline himself,
you know, like somebody else. There has to be authority
figure above him where Clemson, there was Utah are what

(01:30:04):
there there is, so you know, I think that that
does factor into it. But this plays into a larger
all plays into a larger conversation of what kind of
came out today about you know, like the University of Florida.
They're doing away with the gator bait, and there are
people who are upset with with that. You've had people
who are upset with Old miss changing their name from

(01:30:26):
the Rebels to UH to to the land Sharks, and
and UH people upset with the Cavalier, the Virginia Cavaliers
changing part of their their their their swords. It is
it is very easy to call things crazy or insane
that that these things are being changed when it's not

(01:30:49):
your history that is actually affected by it. And I
actually posted on my Twitter some images from UH posters
and things that were out from you know, from years
and years ago surrounding the gator bait thing at Granted,
University of Florida is not using that for that specific purpose,

(01:31:10):
I don't believe, and I think that most people would
generally believe. But there were black babies who were used
for gator bait in advertisements like out in the world,
like that this wasn't some underground thing. This was out
in the world, So Florida saying we don't even want
to be associated with that at all, and people are

(01:31:31):
calling it crazy and saying they're like, oh, you guys
are just giving into what's going on. Know what happens
is is that here in America we weren't always taught
the actual history. We were taught a watered down, palatable
version of it, and so things like this we have
to be okay dealing with because it's saying if we
were actually taught this in the beginning, it may have

(01:31:52):
been changed a long time ago. He's George rice Stir,
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plus what's happening at the University of Texas that could
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(01:32:14):
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(01:32:36):
little bit news from Major League Baseball today. Another proposal
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Ralph Irvin will have more on that coming up at
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Twitter at by Pat Forty. Pat Forty joins us here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hey, Pat, how's your Thursday

(01:32:57):
going going pretty well? Guys Hill, Well, we we are
doing all right. And in George and I were just talking,
as we have throughout the show at various times about
this situation at Oklahoma State with Mike Gunde. Is there
a way that Mike Gunde keeps his job after the
latest allegations from Alfred Williams about what he said in

(01:33:17):
a game thirty one years ago. Well, I mean the
fact is Mike Gundy has kept his job through a
lot of flare ups, blow ups, missteps. Uh. Poor poor
choices of words, poor actions. So I think I'll believe
he's gonna be gone when I see it and not
before then. Um, you know, Oklahoma State doesn't have a

(01:33:40):
very strong athletic director. Mike Holder is the former golf coach,
and he hasn't been able to really show any ability
to tell Mike Gundee what to do. Almost through the
administration above him has any interest in telling Mike Gundy
what to do as well. This is an extremely bad look,
especially in concert with everything else that Gundy came out with, uh,

(01:34:03):
you know, last this week and going all the way
back into April with his discussions about the coronavirus. So,
you know, there's a lot of baggage there. I don't
know whether it's enough to lead to something happening, even
thirty one year old baggage. This is not you know,
something minor and you just sweep under the rug. Well,

(01:34:24):
how do you think that this will ultimately affect whether
it's recruiting or or you know, things that could ultimately
the university could say, yeah, we can't take this anymore.
You're not winning either. You're not winning big either. This
is the problem. Yeah, for sure, Well that's the thing.
I mean, I can't imagine a worse week from a

(01:34:47):
recruiting standpoint than what Gundy has put his staff and
as his program through. You know. I mean this is just,
you know, I don't know how you possibly uh talk
to any recruits, but specially African American recruits and try
to convince them that you can relate to them, uh,

(01:35:08):
you know, and and and be any sort of of
of mentor to them at all. At this point, so
there is that that credibility hit. And then yeah, as
you said, I mean, he's he's more expendable than he
was a few years ago. I mean, he's had six
seasons of ten wins or more. Darnier played for a
national championship back and then he was two thousand eleven,

(01:35:28):
but the last two years eight and five, seven and six,
and he's two and thirteen against Oklahoma. So you do
wonder if at some point the Oklahoma state administration is
going to say, why are we keeping him around again? Yeah?
And Pat Forty joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Pat I mentioned this earlier to George. I find it
amazing that if if you were to take anybody in

(01:35:48):
that that maybe wasn't a college football fan and you
played them that I'm a man, I'm forty sound bite,
they would be like, oh, that's the guy. And so
basically what he's most known or is saying, you know,
you know, I'm a man, I'm forty, and now to
have his own words, I don't know if I don't
know if it's ironic or how you would put it,
but I mean, that's that's kind of what he's known for.

(01:36:10):
And they have this come. I just I don't know
how you get past it. I don't know how you
you know, you keep him there. Considering where we are today, Um,
the the lack of response. We've had three apologies from
the Cuba Hubbard situation, but it's been radio silence since
this has come out. I just, I just I don't
know how you move forward in this that it's That's

(01:36:31):
what I'm trying to figure out. Yeah, well, you know what,
It's interesting, Actually the radio silence today might be telling, um,
you know, for once they've they've stopped putting out the
videos and stopped putting out the statements, and it could
be because they're having some pretty serious discussions, uh about
something more substantive. You know. That's that that will that
will wait and see a little bit here. But you know,

(01:36:54):
I this one. You know, there's really not much good
reason for out for Williams to have lied about it
in and certainly to continue to be lying about it.
You know, if if you put it together, it would
be a very strange story to make up and to
have other teammates back him up on, and then to

(01:37:15):
still be doubling down on three decades later, if you're
making that up now. Alfred Williams did saying he doesn't
want to see him get fired, but he would like
an apology. Well, there's some other people that might like
to see him get fired. Yeah. I saw that you
retweeted Greg Bishop's article about black athletes and the and
their interactions with law enforcement and all of that. And

(01:37:39):
I want to take it to the college level of
how important do you believe it is going to going
to be for coaches to be proactive in terms of
showing their support for the black community and and in
recruiting or whatever it is on their campuses, to keep
their locker roofs, to show hold up we're making all
these millions off these black bodies. We need to to

(01:37:59):
make you that we're supporting them in ways as well. Sure, Oh,
I think that's that's the vital um, you know. And
then quite frankly, you know, you hope the coaches are
doing that already, and a lot of them work, but
not all of them. And I think that, you know,
there's just been I think a gradual change in recent years,
the last five to ten years about a feeling of

(01:38:23):
whether or not college athletes are getting a fair deal.
And I think there's more and more people say it's
not a fair deal. And as you point out, the
monetary discrepancy between room board, books and housing being paid
for versus five million dollar salaries for the coaches becomes
all the more glaring. And if you look at it

(01:38:45):
in the in the in the through the lens of
do they really care about these players, specifically black players
that they go in and recruit and uh, you know,
try to win over or is it simply just a
means of them bringing in revenue, as you know, is
Mike Dundee was blatant enough to say back in April
that we need the players in here to keep the

(01:39:05):
businesses running basically. So I think it's absolutely you know,
if the plus the coaches aren't genuine in their caring
and concerned for the players. The players will know it,
and we're seeing right now they're more willing than ever
two call coaches on it. Pat Fordy joining us here
on UH Fox Sports Radio Doug Gottlieb Show. He's George
Rice to round Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug. Um.

(01:39:27):
I I want to talk about something positive that George
and I got excited about Alabama Ohio States And I
know it's always off, but you know that story today
then leads us to the changes that we've seen in
scheduling throughout college football and even with Alabama. So Pat,
I guess my, is this all fully college football playoff driven? Um?

(01:39:50):
Is this? You know, Alabama just trying to keep up
with the Joneses. But when you hear a series like
this that is coming to fruition, What has been the
changing force in the scheduling now in college football? Yeah?
I think there's the playoff Absolutely has has UH been
a galvanizing thing to make UH schools look to improve
their strength of squitch schedule to try to find it

(01:40:13):
the big splashy nonconference games that could lead to quality
wins UH and then you know, I think that quite frankly,
they're tired of being criticized some of these schools for
playing those one double A games or FCS games, uh,
you know, and and lining the schedule with some with
some pretty weak nonconference games. The other thing, too, I
think this gives the SEC. The more games like this

(01:40:35):
the SEC schedules, the stronger their argument is to stay
with playing eight conference games and not going to nine.
If it's like, look, we're not just filling up the
schedule with Ferman and Presbyterian in the Citadel. We're gonna
play you know, Texas, and we're gonna play Ohio State,
and we're gonna play some really big time games that
will be centerpiece events for a whole season. Then I

(01:40:57):
think that that would allow the SEC a little more
cover to stay with eight eight league games. So whatever
the reason, Look, the fans are winning, these are great games,
and I'm excited to see him, and I was and
I was just gonna add on to that, sorry, George,
and just wanted to add onto this. We could have
an expanded playoff by then, So I mean, I'm almost
thinking like it gives you know, it adds more of

(01:41:17):
the conversation. If you're trying to break into that top
eight too, maybe you could say, hey, we played Alabama.
Are we played Ohio State where maybe somebody isn't when
you're trying to figure out who that you know, maybe
eight third Night School is sure, absolutely, no, that's good
thinking that. Yeah, were beyond we could well be looking
at an expanded playoff and and that's where you lose

(01:41:37):
a game like that. You could go to Columbus Ohio
and lose, or you go to Tuscaloosa if you're Ohiose
State and lose, and that's probably not the kind of
game that keeps you out of a playoffs. Yeah, cover
is the right word that I would use of that,
because I still am not a fan of no. No
matter how good you're one non conference game is when

(01:41:59):
you've eight conference games and then play two nin competitive
uh group of five games and then one FCS team.
I granted the SEC has been able to get away
with it, and but it makes the road so much
harder for the Big Ten, who is arguably the best
team best conference in the nation as well. I think

(01:42:20):
that you know that it's gonna make them or other
conferences as well, consider changing and making it easier to
make the playoff as well. Well, sure, you know what
I mean. That's the thing is is as long as
the scheduling is not the same for every league, than
somebody's gonna feel like they're disadvantaged and they're gonna complain. Shockingly,
in college football, there's a lot of complaining about parenistareness,

(01:42:43):
and so you know, you do open yourself up to
that criticism. But I shoot, somebody said, I have to
look it up to be sure, but that that, uh
might be when Alabama's already got Notre Dame scheduled as well.
They have Notre Dame and Ohio State non conference, plus
you have l s U uh and I think Georgia

(01:43:05):
may actually be on the schedule then too, I mean
you want to. I mean, there's no guarantee that will
all be at the top of their form eight years
from now, but my goodness, on paper, in twenty that's
the hardest schedule I've ever heard of. They also played
Green Bay I think that year too, so exactly yeah,
but also it's convenient, you know. But the last thing

(01:43:26):
I want to ask you, though, bad, is about the
upcoming schedule because we've seen players from Houston who didn't
test anybody test positive for coronavirus. We've seen Texas UCF
bunch of bunch of schools like it's different with the
NFL because they're being paid professionals, donts go to class? What?
What do you think the likelihood is there there is

(01:43:48):
a college football season and does it finish like? Well,
where do you stand on that? Well? I sure hope
there's a college football season, not just because I like it,
but because a lot of our jobs will be paid
much better if they if there is football. Um, but
it's got to be safe. It's got to be They've
got to be able to keep these guys healthy. And
I am concerned. You know, do these did they jump

(01:44:11):
into this, you know a month ago when they started scheduling. Yep,
we're gonna have players coming back to you in first
un a June fifteen. We're gonna do this. Do that's
really knowing what they're doing or were they just hoping?
And you hate to go into a potentially serious health
situation saying ah, we hope we got it right, and
if we didn't, well, yeah, these guys are young and

(01:44:32):
they're healthy, they'll be okay. I mean, that's a really,
really bad look. It's that's the mindset going into this.
So I certainly hope that this thing is going to
all come off and come together, but I think that
really it's been kind of up and down, the ebbs
and flows, and right now I'm feeling a little more
pessimistic than I was before, you know, a few weeks.

(01:44:54):
For the first few weeks, I was optimistic. We're gonna
start on time, We're gonna play as normal, you know,
maybe less fans in the stands, but we're gonn to go.
And right now I'm back to Wales. I think we're
gonna wait and see and see what it looks like
on July fifteen, before anybody commits to playing on August
twenty nine, read them on SI dot com. You can
find him on Twitter by Pat Forty. Pat, we appreciate

(01:45:14):
the time, great conversation, and yeah, I have a great weekend.
We'll talk to you soon. Okay, thank you, guys, appreciate it.
Pat forty here on the Doug Gottleap Show. He's George Ricester.
I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug. Be sure to
catch the live edition of the Doug gott Leap Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. If you know,

(01:45:35):
and I read the Deebo Samuel news I heard early
in the season and the three to four months timetable,
I'm like, Okay, if it's June eighteenth, that's July one,
August two, September three, that's best case scenarios. That would
be week entering week two of the NFL season. And
then you go, um, okay, that's a that's a big

(01:45:57):
blow if you don't have Deebo Samuel for half of
your season. Because he was emerging as a star for
the forty Niners in their playoff front of the Super
Bowl something. Not only that he was the best player
on their offense in the Super Bowl, he was a
one man record crew. So you know, he was better
than Jimmy g The run game wasn't going on a

(01:46:17):
great Yeah, he was the best weapon that they had,
but they had, you know, they have Kittle, which you
know we know, sorry no to Mr George, Sure, yeah,
but but the the you know, the point is is
for a receiving crew that has been looking for a guy, uh,

(01:46:37):
you know, for the last couple of years. You make
the trade for Emmanuel Centers. He's not a saint, so
he's not going to be back. Uh. You know, Marquis
Goodwin was a guy that you know was there for
a while. But Deebo Samuel as their second round pick
a year ago. You know, I'm not arguing with it either.
I mean, like he was, he was good, and he
was turning into their their go to guy when it

(01:46:59):
came to you know, playmaking on the outside. But now
to not have him, Yeah, it's tough. You know, getting
back to the super Bowl after you lose is never
an easy proposition. Just ask so many teams, and I
guess the forty Niners maybe even feeling it whether it
lucks on their side or not. But that is a
huge blow if he's not going to be back until October.

(01:47:19):
So I don't care what. I don't care what Deebo
says or what anybody else says, especially you know, in
an NFC which seems to be a little bit more
wide open, even though we have an extra playoff team,
that division is the best division in football, and it's
going to be tough to navigate for the forty Niners
without him for a while. Fair enough, Yeah, that division
is gonna be rough. You've got the Rams, who are

(01:47:42):
you know, who are very talented, Arizona's up and coming.
You know, Carlin Murray is going to be better this
year than he was the previous year. The Seahawks. Russell
Wilson doesn't miss the playoffs, hasn't missed one time his
whole career, and you have who but but but but
to your point, yeah, he's gonna be there. Russell is

(01:48:04):
gonna be there. So yeah, yeah, so it is gonna
be a tough road though, I mean to throw you
off your game charge, I'm sorry until he's sorry. As
a Seahawks fan, you know, these things are just you know,
you know, they're just they're in my mind that they
just come flying out. But yeah, to your point, I
mean that that division is tough to navigate. Plus, now
you're the top team in the NFC, so you're playing

(01:48:25):
all the division winners from the other you know, divisions
in the NFC, And it's just a simple fact of
repeating as well, it's difficult for San Francisco. Ain't got
Jimmy g you know, asking or being asked questions about
the flirtation with Tom Brady. It's it's not easy to repeat,
you know again, you just you gotta ask so many teams.
You know, when the Falcons blew three to the Patriots,

(01:48:48):
it was amazing because I felt it took them like
a half a season to overcome it. But they ended
up turning it on and they ended up making the playoffs,
and they lost to the Eagles and uh in then
the next year in their playoff game, but you know,
they made it back to the playoffs. It's funny because
when the Seahawks lost and their heartbreaking fashion to the

(01:49:10):
Patriots that season, even though they made it to the playoffs,
it still seemed like there was hanging over them. Yeah,
they didn't win a division that year. It just yeah,
it just wasn't as much. And it's funny because the
reason why I got out of razzle dazzled for a second.
I was like, hold up, you know when you know,

(01:49:31):
when you know we as when we cover sports, there's
so much information that we have in our in our
heads about teams, about players, and when there's something that
you're like, I know this, you instant recall it. And
then to find out I was like, oh my god,
I was wrong. They missed seven team. It was it
was like finding out that my that that my kid's

(01:49:54):
name wasn't what I thought it was. Whoa, whoa. That's
all good. Hey, listen, if you is any other team,
I would have just let it fly, you know. But
you know, that's all And I wouldn't have known it either.
But but you know they're still decent that year. That's
just the Yeah, just aout for him. Yeah yeah, but uh,
we'll have, you know, forty niners that they've they've gonna
have to deal with the Deebo Samuel injury. The New

(01:50:16):
York Jets are going to have to deal with something
entirely different. They've got their own headache on their hands.
He's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer. That's coming up
next year on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch
the live edition of the Doug gott Leap Show weekdays
at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. I'm Dan Buyer.
He's NFL VET George Rice Stir and for Doug today

(01:50:38):
here on Fox Sports Radio. Big thank you to Dan
Shaughnessy of the Boston Globe, who joined us talking about
what's going on in major League Baseball or really, what
isn't going on? You just heard from Pat Forty u
SI dot com earlier talking about college football on the
Mike Dundee situation. And John Bowdenhammer, the head of the
U S Open, Senior Managing Director of Championships for the
U S g A, spoke with us as it supposed

(01:51:00):
to be US Open Week in the world of golf.
Instead we have a PGA Tour event with the RBC Heritage.
Of course, the US Open scheduled will be played at
Wingfoot in mid September. You will see it on Fox
and Fox Sports One. George. Now is the time where
we get caught up on the headlines of the day
via the news desk from Ralph Irvan Alright, Ralph, give

(01:51:24):
us the low down on what's happening on this Thursday. Well,
New York Jets safety Jamal Adams has requested a trade,
according to multiple sources. Edward Or tweeted that in twenty
the Dallas offered last year of the trade deadline rounder
for him. Now, Adam schefter reporting that there's interest from
the Ravens, Cowboys, Texans, Chiefs, Eagles, and Seahawks. Oh geez,

(01:51:46):
so I was gonna say. I wanted to quiz George
if he knew the seven teams. But that's all right, Ralph,
no problem. And it's actually those are the teams that
Adams would like to go to. UM. But yeah, so
Jamal Adams wants out as he wants a new contract.
Surprise George, that gee, all of these teams are playoff
in Super Bowl contenders. That'll make it easy on the Jets. Well,

(01:52:09):
of course he wants to go to teams that are
winning in good that's natural. And yes, if you're gonna
request the trade, you don't want to request the trade
to bad team. So I see both both sides of it.
But truthfully, Adam Gaze is a saboteur, dude. I mean
he is taking Levian Bell's career. Oh do you do

(01:52:30):
do you think that we should keep Levian Bill? I
don't know, I'm not I'm not in charge of the roster, dude.
I can't think of one single player that has had
career years under Adam Gates. They've all been better before
they got to him or after they left him. And
I mean this dude went ten at six, six and ten,
seven and nine and then got fired and got another

(01:52:53):
head coaching job to go seven and night again. I mean,
it is just this failure uphill is just much for
me at times. And anything that Jamal Adams says probably
has some creatures to it, because yeah, because it's Adam
Gaze and you clearly see what I think about here. Well,

(01:53:13):
you know, Adam Gaze did leave the Dolphins to the playoffs,
didn't they? You know, with Matt Moore at quarterback member,
as a as a rookie and as a rickey head coach.
If you do it once, it's an accident, you do
it twice. Its own fair enough? Fair enough? What else
you got, Ralph? Well, there are reports that NBA players
will wear a smart ring while they're in the bubble

(01:53:34):
at Walt Disney World. The ring capable of predicting COVID
nineteen symptoms up to three days in advance with accuracy. Interesting,
so everybody gets a ring, Yeah, that's the does that
kind of rings? I love to hear about this like
proximity alert thing that they they would have to wear,

(01:53:58):
like this alert George, where if you were within someone
like for more than five seconds that also had like
the same sort of alert, like it would go off.
So like a a true like social distance or physical distancing.
An alarm would go off if you were standing too
close to someone for too long, which would be great
for a grocery store line. By the way, that would

(01:54:18):
be amazing to have. Dude, this is George Orwell's We're
big brothers everywhere. This is the beginning of the end. Dude.
I I get that, Yes, you need to make sure
people are you know, you're testing and all of that.
We have all this technology, but there is a downside too,
and I think that we do have to acknowledge that.

(01:54:39):
And I don't know if I want everybody knowing I
whereabouts that every single second. I mean, granted I'm not
doing anything wrong, but still feels a little invasive. Other
we've talked about all the Major League Baseball and and
their counter offers too, offers, everything else, other things that
have been reported by John Hayman. In this agreement, that

(01:54:59):
the clubs granted permission to sell advertisements and patches on
uniforms in there would be universal d H and the
parties would collaborate on broadcast enhancements to to make the
game more interesting. But let's start with those patches on
the uniforms with sponsors. It's just a matter of time,

(01:55:21):
I think in any sport. I mean, heck, Nike was
putting their logo on on the uniforms that were set
to unveil. It really looked awkward, just they have because
they put it on the chest and not on the sleeve.
But the Universal d H, Yeah, that's gonna be here
to stay. Unfortunately. I like the No d H personally. Um,
but uh, I guess I can't always get what I want.
But I thought uniform stuff was gonna be here for

(01:55:42):
a while. Yeah, I knew the uniform stuff was coming.
That didn't mean I have to like it. I don't.
I like the original uniforms, but I understand money drives
the game, and I'm definitely not in favor of the
Universal d H because pictures are supposed to hit their
baseball players too, And guess what, when you have to
go up there and beat courageous, it makes it a

(01:56:02):
lot harder to throw up people's heads backing out there
and pressed. That was the press. By the way, if
Haynes doesn't get the White Sox or Clorox gets the
White Sox deal, there is something different because if you're
gonna have white sox. You need to either have clorox
or you need to find new ones from or you
can get oxy clean. Yeah, that's true. Very very good point.

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