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join us. We got Scott Miller talking to Major League
Baseball set to join us. We got a heck of
a show for you. Let me start though, with some
thoughts on what we're seeing at Talladega, as well as
my thoughts on Dek Prescott Boom Up America, Doug gott
Leave Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know, I do think

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there are moments in which you have to adjust. Um,
I'm gonna tell you something I really like about how
this time slot and how I've a ways done a
radio show. Right. There are many radio there. There are
I know a very successful radio show not on this network,
in which the host and has he has people help

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him rights the show, and it's very well written, it's entertaining,
it's been good for a long time. I'm not I'm
not necessarily taking a shot at it. I'm just only
pointing out the biggest flaw to that style is what
do you do when something happens? Can you adjust? Can
you react? And by my estimation, the um and every

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time slot is different this one. We're on three to
six in the afternoon on the East coast, twelve three
in the in the middle of the day on the
West coast Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. We get
the stories of last night. If there are games, we
get the stories of the morning, and we get to
also forecast more for the evening and very occasionally, like today,

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for example, we had a story in the middle of
the day where we're gonna change right, I'll tell you
about Dak Prescott up coming in fifteen minutes. But there's
something symbolic taking place at Talladega. Talladega Motor Speedway, of course,
is in Alabama. We I wasn't joking. I thought, man,

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maybe it'd be cool to go there, considering it's a
Fox race and you know, although only five thousand spectators
can get in and forty four. I think r vs
can get in. The fact is that because of Fox,
you know, I might be able to pull some strings.
I've been tested and tested negative. Maybe you get in.

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Yesterday's race, of course, was canceled because of rain, so
they're gonna race today. Yesterday though before the race, there
was a Confederate flag that was flown on the back
of some private little prop airplane. And to add insult
to injury, Bubba Wallace, who's a black driver, reportedly found

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a noose when he got back to his garage. Um,
a noose is pretty much the most offensive trying I
can't think of anything more offensive to a black man
to find than a news right. I don't have to
explain the association to you. You have a brain, you're

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able if you're smart enough to tune into a national
sports radio show, and I get that that on some
level you want to get away and just talk about sports.
But on some level this is where sports and whether
it's politics or racism, do intercede. The reason I wanted
to change because this was all well known, um is

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because right now they're doing the Star Spangled banner and
oh yeah, by the way, while uh, every one of
the drivers are standing and attention with their hands over
their heart. They also walked out following Bubba Wallace and
his car. It's a very symbolic thing taking place. I know.

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I know how the news makes you feel. I know
how videos make you feel. You feel when you watch
something on video, you think everybody's doing it right. And

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I actually understand NASCAR, and they're plight a great deal.
I do think that many of their fans and most
of their drivers, I would like to believe, like the
rest of America, are not in fact racists, but because
there have, because it's been essentially a white sport, a

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white male sport. It's a seen as the sport of
the South because we've seen Confederate Like you, the idea
that you had to put a rule that there's no
Confederate flags tells you kind of all you need to know, right,
and then on top of it, like a noose, it's
like what what look? Let me speak for the rest

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of America. I cannot understand what it's like to be
black in America because I'm not black, But as a
white person, whoever the white people are, the people are
they're doing these things. You can feel free to walk
off a cliff because you're you're making We have a
great country, we have awesome sports, we have good people.
And when I look at this, I note I I

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note that point nine percent of human beings are good
human beings that want nothing more than their kids to
live safe, healthy, happy, and grow up and grow strong
and have a better life than they have. But the
point oh one percent, which again do the math, right,
five or so million people in our country, that's actually

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a lot more people than uh point one percent or
point five actually feel like but those people, you suck,
and we'd like you to go away. And I do
think that I don't know how every guy feels, but

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the idea that an entire sport is gonna sit here
and go like this is if we've had enough of
this um powerful symbol powerful symbolism in their supportive bubble walls.
It just the the whole I don't know, this is
the whole thing strikes me as I mean, completely and
totally stupid. I don't even understand the Confederate flag thing.

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It's like, there's no argument you can make. They lost,
it's all. It's been over for a long time. In
addition to the symbolic nature of what it says to
people of color, just the idea that you'd fly a
flag when you lost. You know, I don't that that one.

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You're gonna have a tough time getting past those two
elements of it to me. But you know this is
this is NASCAR. The first step in fixing a problem
is admitting you have a problem. And while I was
surprised that the Confederate flags had to there had to

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actually be a rule that went down that somebody didn't
think enough to go like, hey, maybe I shouldn't fly
this thing. Maybe this is probably not you know, by
the way, the king's out there, Richard Petty. There's lots
of kings in different sports, like Barry Switzer king and
college football. Right, Michael Jackson was the King of pop

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and I do know he races for I think Richard
Richard Petty racing right? Uh, Elvis is you know the king?
That an interesting? Interesting day? I mean, wait, there was
what in his locker? How is that even possible? The

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The only proof of someone's level of stupidity is there's
ever there's a limited number of people that have access
to a garage, especially right now, and I'm guessing there
are cameras everywhere, but I want to be very careful
is to not let's not call like all NASCAR fans
racist or whoever like that's one idiot, or and whoever

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flew the plane like you just yeah, I don't get it.
I don't know. All right, let's talk about sports. Okay,
the talladegas taking place. Will update you on that one
really powerful kind of visual symbolism with all the drivers
uh walking behind Bubba Wallace and then standing at attention

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during the national anthem and some powerful embraces and that
that's on Fox if you want to flip over and watch,
especially if you're still working at home. Doug Gotleif Show
Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, Dak Prescott is set
to ink his name to a franchise tag. What the
Cowboys have finally accomplished I'll explain next. Be sure to

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catch the live edition of the Doug gott Leap Show
weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio a app. Can I
tell you the most overused term, most overused term in sports? Disrespect?
I mean, I guess respect and disrespect, but disrespect to

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me is a a wildly and widely overused word, and
I I'll give you the best example of the alleged
disrespect that doesn't actually take place. So the story over
the weekend was that Dak Prescott would relent and would

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sign a franchise tag, which should pay him in the
low thirties, like thirty two million ish per for one year. Okright,
so look, we we do. We do this thing in
sports broadcasting, and it's a major, major, major mistake, major mistake.

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I was taught this by Dan Steer, A little shout
out to my man Dance Steer, who hired me to
do college basketball games at the ESPN. He works at
the NBC now, and he said, never assume what do
you mean to assume? Never assume that somebody who's listening
knows what you're talking about. So let me just do
this really quickly. You're not really a free agent in

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the NFL unless unless you have a deal that is
signed in which the team agrees to not include any
potential for a franchise tender. That's what Tom Brady had. Hey,
Tom Brady had specific language in his contract because he

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had been with the team so much. This was put
in a couple of years ago that when the contract
is up, he was a free agent and they couldn't
tender him a franchise tender anybody who's coming off of
their rookie contract, and the way rookie contracts work, especially
first round draft pick contracts are different than every other round.

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First round draft picks, Okay, you get paid a bonus.
It's four years of guaranteed money. The yearly salary isn't
a ton of money to the middle and bottom of
the first round. And then there's the fifth year option
that spikes up right. It can go from you know,
five million, depending on where you're drafted, from five into

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like twelve or thirteen or fourteen million dollars. So the
fifth year option, when he gets picked up, it's a
team saying, hey, we're gonna pay a substantial amount more.
Now they don't have to give you a long term extension,
but at the end of year four for first round
draft picks, the end of year four and sometimes before

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year four, which is what's happened with Ezekie Elliott, what
happened with Todd Gurley, what happened with Christian McCaffrey, etcetera.
You can negotiate a long term extension. But if you
don't agree to terms and the team doesn't want to change,
they just have to pay you what the fifth year
option is, and then you have a franchise. You can

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be franchise tender for two years and there can in
fact be a third year, and only then would you
be a free agent. Now the downside too for the team.
The upside to the team is you're not really a
free agent, so you can say I'm not showing up
and they can tell you that's fine. You actually can't
collect a check or play for anybody else in the
National Football League because we offered you a franchise franchise tender,

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so you're not really a free agent. The down on
side of it is that money costs dollar for dollar
against the salary cap, as opposed to if Dak Prescott
signed a thirty the exact same number, thirty one point
six whatever million dollars for the first year. You can

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put some in a signing bonus and a roster bonus.
You can kick some down the road. You could make
it so that it wasn't as big a hit on
your salary cap. Are we do we do? We understand
the good and the bad for the team, Okay, for
the player. The good. Here's the good of the franchise tag.
You're getting a hell of a lot of money. It's
the average of the top five salaries at your position.

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And of course there have been conversations about what about
a tight end who catches a hundred balls? How do
you match him up against other tight ends? What do
you do with a running back who's a hybrid running back?
What do you do with the safety? What do you understand?
But the idea is they take your position, they they
average out the top five salaries and they spit out
the number and you get that money guarantee. So Dak

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Prescott doesn't gets hurt, doesn't play the rest of the year,
He's gonna get thirty one point whatever million dollars for
this season and then next year he could either be
a free agent or if they offer him a franchise tender,
then he can. Then he has no choice, But the
franchise tender likely would go up because salaries continue to rise.

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So you do get guaranteed money, just only for one year.
You don't get the long term deal. There are two
things that I want you to take away from Dak
Prescott likely signing this franchise tag one. Finally, look, I
still think the Cowboys are overpaying Dak Prescott. But at

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some point he wants forty million a year. He wants
four years, you want five. At some point you go like, look,
we can't agree to terms, sign the deal. You can't
go anywhere else, and oh yeah, by the way, it's
not like we're paying you three million. It's not like
we're paying you five. We're paying you a thirty one
point six million it. Secondly, and this is I think

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most of so. The first thing is the Dallas Cowboys
who always give in. The Dallas Cowboys always give in.
They're the parent that puts you on you know, uh, restriction,
did you guys just to call it restriction or they're there,
you're grounded, and then all of a sudden, there's some
big event and you're like, you know, okay, you take

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away the phone like I need the phone for homework, Okay, Right,
That's who Jerry Jones has always been. I'm gonna draw
a hard line in the sand. You step over the line,
like I'm gonna draw another hard line in the stand,
saying his favorite players. He always takes care of and
seven some guys that aren't his favorite players takes care of.
Jerry wants to be liked by the players, that's why
he gives him a bunch of money. And no one,

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like everybody likes their own players more than somebody else's players.
So this signifies a massive see change if in fact,
the Dallas Cowboys Drew Aly in the sand said hey,
we're not going over this amount. That's enough money. That's it,
that's all we got for you. And Dak said, all right, fine,

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I'm gonna sign the franchise tender and next year we'll
do this again and I'll prove to you, and now
I'm gonna ask for more money. They're like, fine, that's
a big thing for the Cowboys. But what I don't
want to hear is that word disrespect. Yes, how much
you make, how much you're paid, how much you get guaranteed,
is in fact a sign of respect from the league,

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from your team. But on no planet, especially this one,
is it disrespectful to offer Dak Prescott upwards of thirty
million dollars guaranteed and a five year deal. Look, there's
there's a difference there between couldn't agree to terms, I
think you're slightly overvaluing yourself, but willing to relent if

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because we want you, know, because because you want one
extra year, one extra we want you as our quarterback
for five years, for five years, that's not being disrespectful.
We want to pay you over thirty million dollars a year,
that's not being disrespectful. So whatever we do, we cannot combined,

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cannot combine contract negotiations where a a what is it
called when you an agreement can't be reached right, A
middle ground can't be found, And being disrespectful, being disrespectful
to Dak Prescott would be we offered you five million dollars,
take it to leave it right, That would be disrespectful,

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even though five million dollars. But if you're in the
neighborhood of the highest paid players in the NFL and
the dispute is over what the actual dollar amount is,
A million here, a million there, and one additional year,
that is the opposite of disrespectful, the opposite of And
we do this all the time in all fields, where

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we label something the most sinister thought and feeling, and
that's absolutely not the case with the Dallas Cowboys. It's reasonable,
it's reasonable for Dak Prescott to say, look, you told
me I'm your quarterback, told me I'm your guy. Everybody

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gets it's reasonable for him to think I should be
paid at the top level. It's reasonably the Dallas Cowboys
to go like, look just because we said those things,
because we love him and he's our guy. But he's
not Pat Mahomes, he's not Deshaun Watson, he's not one
of them. He's he's really good, and we got a
we got a bunch of guys to put around him.
These are reasonable discussions. But when you offer a guy
a five year contract at more than thirty million dollars

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a year, which is at the top level of any
any quarterback in the game, that's the opposite of being disrespectful.
Will hear nothing otherwise? Be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific Doug Glax Show, Fox Sports Trader Charles
Robinson's our guest's NFL reporter for Y'allhoo Sports. Check out
the Yahoo Sports NFL podcast. Um, why do you think, Dak?

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We're only here at at you know, end of June.
Although I'm like, the days are starting to drag. Why
do you think he would relent and sign a franchise tag?
Now I have a seri I but I don't know
that it's this is not based on anything there I
go in terms of how I would look at this tactically. Um,

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if the Cowboys are you know, if you're the Cowboys
and you're thinking about trading for Jamal Adams and there
has to be salary considerations there, it becomes a lot
more difficult when Dak locks that money onto your cap,
as opposed to Dak not having locked that money unto
your cap, which would give you breathing room until when

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July to do a deal to get an extension done
or whatever. But if Dak Prescott were to lock that
money in now, it's significantly curbs the amount of money
that Dallas has to play with if it was to say,
decide to make a run acquiring Jamal Adams in a
trade and potentially doing a deal with Jamal Adams. Now,

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if you're gonna do that, you probably have to get
an extension done with with Dak Prescott first to try
and alleviate some of that upfront money. So that and
again that's completely just a theory on my my part
that it puts more more pressure on the Cowboys to
have to come to the table. It's interesting here, here's
what I've heard regards Jamal Adams. It's that the Jets

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don't have to trade him, don't necessarily want to trade him,
and he can't go anywhere else. But one of the
one of their reluctance to pay through the roof is
not just the fact that you gotta put a team
around him, but no one knows what the salary caps
gonna look like next year and beyond. We don't. We
don't know if they'll be fans in the stands, We don't,
we don't. There's so much unknown that it would be unwanted.

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It would be an unwise financial risk too, when you
don't need to to re up a guy to the
biggest contract of safety had ever seen, when you don't
know what the salary caps gonna do. Yeah, I mean, look,
that's true, but I would say, honestly, that's probably a
third or fourth consideration for the Jets, like at this point,
because look for the Jets, they've looked at like, if

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you're the Jets, you sit down, you look historically, players
who defensive players who have gotten a deal an extension,
a first round pick who have who have gotten extensions
after three years, Well, there are guys of magnitude who
had to play through four years before they got their
big deals. Aaron Donald, Okay, Khalil Mack like people who
literally won defensive Player of the Year awards before getting

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their contract extension and they had to play through a
fourth year. Um. So that's one consideration, the fact that
you had game changing edge rushers who not only were
first team All Pros, but we're defensive players of the
Year who got paid and and had to play through
four years. So he's putting himself ahead of that group
Number one by saying, hey, I wanted after three years.

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He's a safety. Number two. Now, I know safeties are
used in a multitude of ways a different league now,
especially safety like him. He's not your quote unquote traditional
box safety. He's a He's a versatile safety who can
play in the box. I get all that, um, But again,
I don't know that he is the player of magnitude
to all of a sudden just get get it after
three years. Um. So that's that's part of the consideration.

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Another part of the consideration, it was hanky at the
trade deadline last year when all of a sudden, um,
you know, the Cowboys are checking in to see if
Jamal Adams as someone who that you know, who could
potentially be gotten in a trade and on all this
flood of information comes out, um from reporter who surround
the Cowboys orbit about Jamal Adams, you know, potentially being

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on the trade deadline trade block for the for the Jets,
which upset the Jet um because it wasn't necessarily on
the trade block. The Cowboys called and the Jets picked
up the phone, and then it seemed like the Cowboys
leaked that information to maybe poison the well. Um, yeah,
you know that. Will McClay okay, who's in personnel with
the Cowboys, has a close relationship with George Adams, Jamal

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Adams Dad. Okay. There's just a lot of stuff going
on in the background with the Jamal Dams deal. And
I think Jamal Adams, what the number he's trying to
get to from the Jets is not just resetting the
safety market, it's resetting the safety market considerably. Then you
get to the realities of where the salary cap could

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be going next year. So it's there's a lot there's
many layers here, but there's a lot of messed up
stuff kind of tied into no, no question about it,
And it's it's going to be fascinating. No matter how
valuable a safety is, and they're very, very valuable, especially
in in this NFL. If you can cover, Uh, it's
it's is it really are you? And and the idea
of re saying the market sounds good until you realize

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that you don't actually have the leverage that you want
unless you're willing to sit out a year and that
literally has happened once and that was Levan who lost
money in the end because of it. So it's it's
gonna be fascinating. Charles Robinson joining us UH, senior NFL
reporter for Yahoo Sports. What is the actual likelihood that
Colin Kaepernick ends up in a camp? Um? Man, I

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you know, somebody asked me this a couple of months
ago or about a month ago when all of this,
you know, kind of started, and um, yeah, I guess
it would have been about a month ago. And uh,
and I said zero. You know, I still thought it
was zero. But you know, look, I do think that
there is some stuff's going on, you know, I think
that there is league pressures being exerted. Why say lead

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pressure is being exerted out me that the league's leaning
on teams. I think the league is looking for teams
that might be interested in in Kaepernick and trying to
figure out a way to get dialogue started in a
way that that doesn't go bad for a team. So,
for example, say your team that is potentially interested in
looking at him, but you're afraid of like, hey, we

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look at him and we don't like what we see,
or we want to back away. We don't want to
get shelves for it, we don't want to get destroyed
for it. So we're afraid, you know, to to to
step out. Is there some way maybe the league could
facilitate this um, you know? So I look, I still
think it's extremely low, I think, but I do think that,

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you know, the league is an active participant in trying
to see if maybe you know, there's a team out
there that that is willing to bring him in and
give a good look at him in in camp. Now,
even that though, is you know, teams have to go
through the process of considering like hey, we want to
get a good look at him, but then can we
make a football decision. On the other end of it,

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Could we cut Colin Kaepernick at the end of camp
because we don't think he played well enough? Then what
happens to us. We get celebrated at the beginning, Hey,
we signed Colin Kaepernick, everybody's happy, and then we got
to cut him because we don't. We actually think that
the three year layoff was too much and he's not
where he needs to be. So you know, there's it's
it's a complicated question, I think from both ends, but

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I will say this, I do believe I don't think
this is fake on Kaepernick sent I believe he wants
to play. I believe he wants to play. I believe
he wants to be in the NFL. And I believe
he thinks that he is still um a guy who
can eventually ascend to a starting job, that he can
be a starting quarterback in the NFL. It's going to
be fascinating because I've heard exactly It's like, would would

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we be popular for sign him? Yes? But could we
cut him? And and you know, like how would how
would In addition, could he actually be a backup. Right,
everybody wants to be a starter, but you have to
have a completely different mentality to be a backup because
no one, no one, no one wants the backup quarterback
to be more popular than the starter. This is in
college football. That's not the way it works. There's only

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one leader and there are no starting jobs available. Just
ask Cam Newton. Which is why I think the team
matters and I think the starter matters. I so people
have asked me, like, you know, ballparkt what do you
think is a situation that would really work well for
in Baltimore? Straight up? But but how how? How could
the owner? How why would the owner do that after

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after the meme that his girlfriend put out there? Like okay, yeah,
you're right, Okay, I get it. You want to you know,
we talk about what NSSA did. I I totally understand that,
but that was three years ago. A lot changed in
three years. No, no, I I get it. But there
has never been any sort of apology, nor do I
believe there will be any sort of apology for for
the meme. And and like they have they have our

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G three I I can can I share with you
the team? I think it works most for okay, because
I do. Look, I realized his former offensive coordinators there.
It totally makes sense. He's not replacing Lamar Jackson, no
matter how if Lamar Jackson struggles this year, I get it.
There's there's two. But the best possible scenario is Kansas City. Okay,

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same idea. You gotta league m v P. You got
a super Bowl champion. He is not replacing Pat Mahomes,
doesn't matter how you know it does not. But and you,
Reid is rehab Mike Vick's image. You know, whatever you
think of Colin Kaepernick's image because of kneeling, he does
need some image rehab in terms of leadership and quarterback
play or whatever. There'll be no no force to play him.

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And oh yeah, by the way, if he could learn
and thrive in that system in practice, and you, Reid,
protegees are spread throughout the NFL, in places like Chicago
and Philadelphia and and other places as well. The only
other one would be the Houston Texans. Uh. Bill O'Brien
could use some good publicity. He too, already has a

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guy who no one would argue is ever gonna be
replaced by Colin Kaepernick. Straight up Houston is is the
two the number one. The best possible scenario for the
league and for Kaepernick to me would be Kansas City.
I I don't I don't disagree with Kansas City like
I think Kansas City is a is a logical landing
spot like I, and I think it. I would say

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though that in terms of the schemes that are run
and and again this is Andy Reid. He can tailor
to whoever he wants, and he can he can make
it work like I. And again it comes down to
the mind of the head coach or who's running that offense.
So I get it. Absolutely, Kansas City can work. Absolutely.
The reason why I say Baltimore though, is, uh, you

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know the depth of knowledge that I have, not only
in what Greg Roman offensive coordinator obviously that was the
peak of Kaepernick's career in San Francisco, but you have
a head coach who very much I think, I don't
know if you know. Look, have I talked to John
Harbor about this? You know, recently? No, But I can
tell you that over the last three years, the one
one of the head coaches who felt strongest about Kaepernick

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needing to be in the league and deserving it and
being like befuddled that why he wasn't was John Harbaugh,
his father Jack Harbaugh, his brother Jim Harbaugh, Like it's
you have essentially an entire family that's sitting there going
this guy, this guy should be in the league. Why
is he not in the league? I get it. I
just I can't believe an owner would be made to

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look that way. And I mean that would be a
that that would that would be an about face that
I just don't know. And oh yeah, by the way,
they had to get rid of r G three. Who
knows that system has been in that system? Oh yeah,
I don't. Hey, hey, I'm not I'm not. I I
get it what you're saying. I totally understand that. But
I also didn't think I would hear Roger Goodell ever

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say we the National Football League were wrong for not
listening to play you know, I mean things. I can
only say that things have happened in the last two
weeks that I was like, that will never happen, and
then things happened, and so it's just hard for me
to completely before Look, Bill O'Brien, and again you're talking
about you know, may rest in peace, Bob McNair passing away,

(31:02):
Cal McNair takes over the Houston Texans and Bill O'Brien
steps up and says, you know what, I'm gonna make
a statement today, and he gets on a zoom call
and he makes like a ten minute statement about how
he feels about what's going on with police brutality and
all these different things. And I sat there, and I
live in Houston. My jaw was on the floor, like
I was like, whoa this is? This is? This is

(31:24):
not It's like I never thought like I would see
this happen. But the environment changed around Bill O'Brien and
he felt, I've got the ability to do this. I
want to do this. This is where I'm aligned. I
feel like it's something I want to say, and he
did it. So I I guess I've just seen enough
things happened that I thought were impossible that I could
see see Steve Bashatti. And again I'm not saying something

(31:44):
couldn't happen behind the scenes or whatever, or there wouldn't
be a mea culpa, but um, you know, is it
impossible for me to believe Steve Baschetti would go hey,
no one forever. It's the fact that they have r
G three there. I mean, you're right, there are other
factors there that obviously make it less likely. And I'm
just saying in terms of fit, yeah, I think Baltimore

(32:05):
is Yeah. No, no, I I agree with you. Unfit,
that's what. But that's to me, that's the the untold
part of the story, right is we we go back.
We every you know, he got non non football people
or not people who follow it like you and I do.
And obviously you've done it for a lot longer and
a lot more in depth than I have. But if
you don't follow it, you're like, oh he kneeled, he

(32:27):
was out of league, Like, no, it's more complex than that.
You almost always go where you know the system, where
you have a relationship. The only place in the league
that he had that was Baltimore, and he he told
napalmed it right. He went to Seattle, he visited there.
I have no doubt that Russell Wilson was like, no, thanks, dude,
that's not I'm not having that as my backup. I've
had enough trouble, you know, in terms of leadership here.

(32:49):
Plus he said he wanted to be a starter, and
that's not the way to get a backup job, right,
so nobody knew how much. But all that aside, I
agree with you, Baltimore is the fit. Uh and especially
with Lamar, he's not gonna be the starter unless God
forbid Lamar gets hurt playing you know, sand football in
front of a jet ski or something like like he
did a week ago. Um, but but I just I

(33:12):
don't know, man, Steve Bischoti doing a one eighty, that
would be that would be a bigger one eighty than
we saw from Goodell, which which was which was a
big one. I agree, Oh, listen, I agree. And that look,
that's that's a tent pole moment in the Kaepernick story.
What what happened with nessa? Okay, Like I don't there's
no disagreement there whatsoever. And um, you know, I just

(33:34):
it's hard for me just to discount anything anymore, you know.
I I'm kind of out of the discounting business because I,
like I said, a month ago, I was asked straight
up by some people, like, is is he getting back?
And I said, no, no way, Like there's no way
he's gonna get back in the league. And I laid
it out and probably two weeks later I was like, oh,
that might have been a bad call. This might be changing. Yeah,

(33:54):
I would agree. When when he threw last year, he
looked it looked like he was playing catch. It didn't
look like you had a great feet obviously, you know,
deciding when the NFL, you know, tried to let him happen,
went all of the pushback over a simple workout. I
was like, no way, that that's it. That's the that's
that's the that's the the end of it. But now
you you never know, Charles, I hope you're well. Can't wait?

(34:17):
Do we have actual football in the meantime. Thanks so
much for joining us. We'll make sure to check out
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deal or no deal. Potential number one overall pick. Kde
Cunningham will play at Oklahoma State despite the team being

(35:21):
banned from the postseason play in one. That is a
big deal, not just because of my own mother, but
Kate Cunningham UH could be the number one overall pick.
Not this year's draft, next year's draft. Okahma State can't
go to the n c A termined as of now.
Uh they're ineligible because of a previous staff and assistant
coaches as part of the FBI investigation. But he reaffirmed

(35:44):
his commitment and that's huge news. Also tough news for
the G League select team, who I was told offered
him seven fifty dollars now should be pointing out his brother.
It will be a second year on staff, so it
you know, he it's a it's different than just recommitting
to his school. It's recommitting to his brother as well.
But Kay Cunningham is a fabulous kind of point forward

(36:06):
type of player who can who will be a top
three pick in the next year's NBA draft. Big deal,
Little deal, no deal. Whanta asked about the video of
Lamar Jackson playing football on the beach, Ravens coach John
Harbaugh said any conversation between him and the quarterback would
be privates. Uh yeah, I mean that it says. I mean, like, look,

(36:29):
there had to be a phone call, like come on, dude,
really you don't After the thankfully he wasn't hurt. But
after the video came out, I think everyone started to
tell him like, hey, you know they used to have
a beach football game for one year, and do you
know what happened? Like, oh yeah, So I don't think
he needs to come down hard on his quarterback. I

(36:49):
think everyone realizes that was a mistake and thankfully he
wasn't hurt and it'll be fun. Big deal, little deal,
no deal. Escorting to Mark Stein, the Nicks of requestion
and received permission to talk to Lakers assistant Jason Kidd
for their head coaching job. I think that's a big deal.
He was a former Nick. Of course, he's been a
head coach of the Nets and of the Bucks, and

(37:09):
he's had some success with both. Um. I've been told
he's really well respected with what he's done with the
Lakers as an assistant coach, you know, not trying to
usurp the power of of the head coach. So yeah,
I mean, like, look, former great player played in New York,
played for the Knicks, could bring them a media credibility

(37:30):
and has been a head coach before that. That feels
like a big deal. We talked about credibility earlier. Would
it hurt the Lakers credit or team chemistry? Uh? Would
hurt whose team chemistry? The Lakers in the playoffs? If
he's gonna go coach the Knicks, No, I don't think so. No,
because the second he decides you can coach Nicks, he's

(37:51):
not gonna be with the team anymore. Lamar Jackson said
after the playoff loss of the Titans, we took them
too lightly. Jim Harbaugh disagrees, big deal or John Harbott disagrees. Yeah.
I I liked what John Harbo said, we didn't take
them lightly. Um, I think it's it's a little deal whatever.
Like every player thinks that they're gonna win every game,

(38:13):
and the only possible reason they could lose to the
Tennessee Titans at home was they took him lightly. The
fact is Tennessee Titans whoop their ass. That's that's really
what happened. This is game time on The Duck Gottlieb Show.
I told you guys that I, at one point in time,
wanted to be a lawyer, right, I wanted to be

(38:35):
a lawyer, and I was like, man, there's a lot
of reading involved. But the thing about being a lawyer
is you have to understand all that reading past cases,
because uh, president is a is a rule of law. Um,
But times and people and decisions do change. Why president

(38:56):
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(39:18):
and it really is just an application of something we
know in terms of the rule of law, and it's
about precedent. Right. And if you look up the dictionary
definition of preston, it's an earlier event or action that
is regarded as an example or guy to be considered

(39:41):
in subsequent similar circumstances in the law. It's a previous
case or legal decision that maybe or must be followed
in subsequent similar cases. That's how the Supreme Court works. Right.
Once you rule in Brown versus the Board of Education, Right,

(40:04):
that's what's struck down segregation, Row versus Wade, That's of
course what UH made abortion legal in our country. Like
these cases, once they go to Supreme Court, that is
the precedent that other cases fall underneath. Now, the way
around President is when you can say, hey, this actually

(40:30):
isn't similar, right, It's dissimilar. And here's why. I look
at the Jamal Adams uh trade request from the New
York Jets, and while Jamal Adams is trying to look
at the precedent that has been set from other jets

(40:52):
Throrel Rivas, for example, who held out and received a
massive contract extension, ultimately going at Tampa Bay then to
New England. Right, or if Jamal Adams wants a contract,
you know, before his fourth year, like Christian McCaffrey has,

(41:13):
or Ezekiel Elliott god or Todd Gurley got. Those he
believes are in fact of president when you're one of
the elite players in the league and you want to
get ahead of it and they really want you. Oh yeah.
By the way, safeties are more important now than they
maybe ever have been previously. Right, box safety. A box
safety is a guy that he just kee's basically a

(41:37):
slightly smaller, more athletics, slightly more versatile linebacker. The best safeties,
and this is more a Durwin James quality, have the
ability to play anywhere on the field where he could.
Could he be a linebacker, yeah, could it be a
cornerback yes? Could he be a rush end? Absolutely. He

(41:58):
can blitz, he can cover. He's long enough to cut,
long enough and strong enough to cover a tight end,
but athletic enough to match up with slot guys and
wide receivers alike, as well as good enough thumper to
crush people when they come across the middle and make
a stop in the run game. Jamal Adams in many
ways is right and once on one side, right and

(42:21):
if the stances a safety is more important now than
they've ever been, and because the reason a cornerback isn't
as valuable as he used to be is a cornerback
can is only assigned to stopping one guy. Now, the
cornerbacks that are still making a ton of money are
guys that can shut down shut down a wide receiver

(42:45):
and can come out and help out in the run,
can play man, and can play zone, but still essentially
their job is one guy. Safeties is a multitude of
guys in the new NFL. There's a strong likelihood that
safeties hybrid players will become more valuable because of their
versatility than cornerbacks, and eventually that market will change. But

(43:10):
but remember what we said about the definition of Preston
guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances. Is it
really similar the Dallas Cowboys versus the Jets? Is it
really similar? Earl Thomas who had been with the Seahawks
and wanted to get to the Cowboys as opposed to

(43:31):
three years of Jamal Adams with the Jets. Earl Thomas
eventually became a free agent in order for UH. In
order for UH, in order for free agency to be
had by a rookie player. Now a third year player

(43:55):
like Jamal Adams, we realize that the Jets would have
to not offer up a fifth year option, which they
would never do, and then they would have to not
offer him a franchise tender for two additional years each year.
So whether or not Jamal Adams wants to be a

(44:17):
Jet or not, the fact is that the Jets basically
have right a first refusal for your four, You're five,
you're six, year seven, and if they really want your eight.
He is not close to being a free agent. He
has not come close to earning the right to determining

(44:37):
where his ultimate destination is. And it's also important remember
that Joe Douglas is new on the job. I have
this saying, and I think it applies to coaches, it
applies to general managers, it applies to anyone who's in
a new situation. He Joe Douglas was not handed a

(44:58):
blank canvas. Matter of fact, that Campas had lots of
paint on it and he had to try and figure
out a way to make it look like art. They
had signed Levian Bell to a massive contract as big
as Levian wanted, no but a big contract that the
new head coach Adam Gates didn't want a running back

(45:18):
under they had drafted poorly, with the exception of their
first round draft pick under Mike mccagnet. They had holes
all over the roster. And so while he's plugging holes,
he has a safety who's under club control for what
could be four more years with no negotiations. Four he

(45:43):
has a safety under contract who wants a new deal
when there is no no real sense of what the
financial landscape looks like for the Cowboys in the future.
So I understand that we like to use is President Hey,
Zeke Hey, Christian McCaffrey, Hey, Todd Gurley, even Jared Goff

(46:06):
got a new deal. Carson Wentz got a deal early.
The position is different, the timing is different, the team
is different. The general managers knew didn't draft Jamal Adams.
I'm sure he likes him. The landscape is different now
than it has ever been in the sport. And while

(46:29):
we do see Earl Thomas one out of Seattle, he
didn't actually get to the Cowboys where he said come
and get me. But Earl Thomas had spent an entire
career in Seattle, whereas Jamal Adams has been there for
like five minutes. If you don't like the contract that
you have as a highly drafted, first highly rated, first

(46:51):
round draft pick, then guess what, take that up with
the union. But if I'm the Jets, I do exactly
what the Jets are doing. If and and we all
and we all look at it from this perspective, we
all look at and say, hey, you know, if Joe Douglas,
you know, if he gives him a new contract, that's smart,

(47:15):
all right, that's really smart. You give a new contract,
you get a safety, you reward him. That's not how
players think. Giving into a guy's demands. If you trade
him away, same thing. You know. All I gotta do
is complain. All I gotta do is throw out the
names of the best teams in the NFL, and I

(47:36):
too can get traded. What happens for Joe Douglas becomes
president within that locker room and with the agents who
represent those players. If you give in and relent to
his demands and send him to his dream destination, why
would any New York Jet want to stay with the
Jets If they're gonna be crummy and you're not from there,
and you think you have a relationship with somebody in

(47:57):
a different team, like you never do that. So Jamal
Adams walks in, gets a new contract because he's outperformed
his old contract. What do Sam Donald? Do you know now?
Quintin Williams only a year in. He was hurt last year.
But you know if I'm Quintin Williams, the second I
can I walk in and say, you know you gave
Jamal Adams, you gave Sam Like that's it becomes this

(48:19):
snowball and at some point the answer has to be like, we'll,
we will pay you, we will we what's to say
we won't give you? The biggest deal of safety has
been it's just not right now, and you can shop
yourself for We're not gonna give you permission to shop
a trade. But if somebody wants to offer us something
crazy like two first round picks, will listen. But unless
you're valued at that level, we like where we are

(48:41):
at our safety position. We like the contract that you're under.
If we didn't value you, if we thought you were
that big of pain and you weren't that good, we'd
just give you away for a third round pick and
move on. Wash your hands of it. We think you're great,
but why do we have to pay you some you know,
absorbed sum of money when you're under contract four this

(49:03):
money and your fifth year we can renegotiate, or you
can take the fifth year deal, which is a lot
more money. You're a high first round pick, you're making money.
You made money. And and also like, don't be don't
be foolish and fall into the trap that um that
players will tell you in terms of their contracts. Day

(49:24):
will tell you this all the time, like, oh, well,
you know, NFL contracts aren't guaranteed first round draft picks.
Contracts are one guaranteed all four years. Well, I'm not
making that much money yearly salary. Okay. Uh. He made
fourteen point seven million dollars his first year because of

(49:48):
the signing bonus, the base salary, you know, all the
cash given to him up front. So yeah, right now,
it looks like he's only gonna make three point five
million dollars and next year's fifth year option would be
nine point eight million dollars. But that's because people cleverly,
cleverly completely discount what they are given in upfront money.

(50:15):
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Pacific Doug Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. I got a
great favorite least favorite storyline we have in the NFL. Alright,
so this time of year, we're getting into July and
then you get to August. Do you guys know we
always get at those college football media days. Have you
ever been watched those college football media days or ever

(50:59):
been to one? Every team had their best offseason ever, right, man,
guys really bought in in the weight room and excelled.
We had guys way to hear our team, g p A.
I can't believe how good a summer we had. They

(51:21):
all worked, stayed in town, work together. We we have
more town our incoming recruiting class better than we've ever had.
All Right, you ever heard a college media day and
they literally all say the same recruiting class, great off
season work out, great quarterback set, unbelievable attention to detail

(51:42):
with the g p A. That's every college football media day.
We're kind of having that in the NFL. SE NFL
teams haven't been able to get together face to face,
so they're having these zoom meetings. Baker Mayfield, Dwayne Haskins,
Joe Burrow, Daniel Jones. You know what they all have
in common? Well, they're young quarterbacks in the NFL. Baker
started two years, Dwayne Haskins part of one, Joe Burrow

(52:06):
number one overall pick, Daniel Jones started kind of midway
through the year last year after having outstanding preseason, and
they're all set to be starters for their for their teams.
Do you want anything else that they have in common?
They've been unbelievable in zoom meetings. Add Teddy Bridgewater that
list as well. I mean Teddy Bridgewater. Well, can we
say about Teddy Bridge? He just makes everybody better? You know,

(52:29):
he knows our system, he knows our verbage right like literally,
here here's the rules that we need to know about sports. Okay,
every surgery goes according to plan, and every players expected
to make a full recovery. Right, There's never been a

(52:50):
surgeon come out and goes like, I don't know that.
I opened it up and it looked way worse than
I thought, and we did the best we could, you know,
and I had allow that to drinking last night. They
probably shouldn't have, right, I've you know, I've never seen
a need let look that bad before. But whatever, I
went by the book. And you know, if he rehabs
right and be okay, yeah right, I mean, like, listen,

(53:12):
he might walk with a limp, but he kind of
started to begin one, so nobody'll notice. I mean, like,
no one ever says that every surgery goes according to
plan and every player is expected to make a full
and complete recovery. Right. Every recruiting class is better than
we probably possibly could have thought. Every university gets their

(53:38):
head coach that they want, and this is our guy
and the guy we wanted, right, I mean all of
these things, but the the the new NFL thing is man.
You should see this guy on a zoom call, Baker Mayfield.
He's he's popping it on zoom meetings. He didn't even
need to be a part of That's the type of

(54:00):
leader Baker Mayfield. This I'm sorry mant like, Look, I
liked that these guys are tuned in and locked in
on zoom one. Is their job, right, Like it is
actually their job? Yeah? This is this reminds me of
ever have you ever seen the Chris Rock special where
he talks about the guy who says he takes care

(54:22):
of your family? Like, yes, you're just supposed to do right.
You don't get any special bonuses. Don't ever say to
your significant other, your wife or otherwise, like when you're
taking care of your kids you were babysitting, Like no,
you're It's called parenting. It's called being a dad. Every
Father's Day, by the way, belated, I mean, you're supposed

(54:43):
to be locked in on the zoom call. You're supposed
to be a leader in the offensive. Install and explain
to some of the other guys from the new Guys
and young guys what things actually mean. All these things
are exactly what's supposed to happen. Oh, your franchise quarterback
showed up for work prepared today. Tell me the only
news I want to hear is when that doesn't happen,

(55:04):
not when it does happen. You know, I couldn't find Baker.
He was on a bench. Like that was my thing
with Johnny Manzel al right, when Johnny Manzel wasn't rehabbing
in the facility, when he was showing up, you know,
only an hour before the game or a half forty
five minutes for the game, when he was in Cleveland

(55:25):
like that. I remember that report where you're getting ready
for the game, and he was like he showed up
like an hour before. Like quarterbacks show up like four
hours before. That's what they all do. That's the job.
You don't like the job, don't take the job, but
that's the job. But Zoom all Americans. That that's like
the that's like the one on cone basketball, All American congratulations.

(55:46):
These are the things. You should be dominating a cone
if you're a basketball player, and you should be dominating
Zoom meetings if you're a franchise quarterback. This is the
new way of the NFL telling us how great your
quarterback is. On Zoom. Nobody cares. The only thing we
care about ism and we'll get hold for three days
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NWSL National Women's Soccer League, they're having a tournament, just
like the men are in Orlando, the women's in Utah,
and the Orlando Prides withdrawing because they've had players and
staff test positive for COVID nineteen. Okay, so they're withdrawing

(56:31):
because of that. So could be something we see with
other teams going forward as we get restarted with I
just it's just important for people to realize, like, it
is not a death sentence if you test positive for
COVID nineteen, especially if you're in the prime athletic. Like
I understand that there's a lot to it that you
want to quarantine people in your middle of the tournament,
you probably can't quarantine. I get all that, but I've

(56:52):
I've seen a massive freak out from a lot of
a substantial number of writers, and it's really important to
play like it's not a death sentence. It's to be expected,
like people have this and have had this and didn't know.
The big question is are they symptomatic? How many people
they did they? In fact? Is anybody being hospitalized, anybody
being in danger? And you know, once they quarantined for

(57:15):
two weeks, do they come back, are they healthy, are
they free to go? And you know, can you get
it a second time? Which there is some dispute over that,
but for the most part, people believe that you can't.
Can they get hurt immunity if you want, if you want,
if you want sports with no positive tests, okay, and

(57:38):
a vaccine, you're going to have to cancel sports until
at least two thou And since nobody has offered that
up as a plan, you we're just gonna have to
continue to evolve and deal with the day to day
of positive tests. Positive tests, though, do not mean symptomatic tests,
do not mean hospitalizations. But again, it also doesn't mean
that this thing is totally past or they every everything's good.

(58:02):
There is a middle ground, right you have the Clay
Travis everything is overblown. You have the Dr Fauci hey man,
we shut things down and it was bad. It could
have been a lot lot worse than We've gotta be
smart about reopening the country. And there's the place in
the middle where you're like, I'm still wearing my mask

(58:22):
in public, still wash my hands, go about living my
life because everybody else is, but be cautious about it.
And if you test positive, you know, then your quarantine
and you try and figure out that hasn't spread to
your family and can you keep it away from your
older loved ones or people who have autoimmune deficiencies. Right,
that's the middle ground. That's where I said. Scott Miller

(58:44):
joins us MLB calumnist or Bleacher Report at Scott Miller
b B, Big B, Little b L is the Twitter handle.
All right, Scott, One final vote before the commissioner says
enough and we're gonna play baseball based upon the people
you've spoken with, Do you believe that the players will
agree to the sixty game season. Yeah, I think it's

(59:06):
fifty fifty. Um, I think it should be a really
close vote. I don't think it's I think there's a chance,
and but yet I don't think it's a slam dunk. Um.
That said, I do believe either way, we are going
to see baseball back on the field in some way,
shape or form, whether it's a fifty four game schedule
sixty game schedule late July, August, September. And I also think,

(59:31):
going back to what you just said a little while ago,
about people freaking out, Um, you know, I mean, we've
had an interesting seventy two hours in baseball and that
on Friday, word came that five Phillies players minor leaguers
but unidentified, and three staffers in clear Water at their
spring training site tested positive for the coronavirus, and close

(59:54):
by in Dunedin, Florida, some Blue Jays in their camp
tested positive. So to your point, a lot of people,
I think immediately we're like, oh my god, baseball so
much for that. Wek that baseball is gonna have to cancel,
and that's not the case. I think what you said
is important regarding the COVID nineteen. Baseball has canceled all
its spring training sites. I mean they've shut them all

(01:00:15):
down for now to disinfect and to sanitize. But going forward,
this is gonna be all about if they can get agreement,
and whether it's agreement or Manford ordering the game back
on the field. As I said, I think we will
see the game back on the field, and then it's
all going to be about managing the COVID nineteen. Because

(01:00:37):
you're exactly right, we're not going to go through a
baseball season, but football season, anything with Okay, we have
so many health protcols in place that nobody's going to
test positive. There will be positive tests. The question is
if all of a sudden of the league test positive,
well then yeah, they're gonna have to shut it down.
But if it's a lesson, you know, if it's a

(01:00:58):
it's all about managing the numbers and quarantining those who
test positive. And I think baseball and it seems like
other sports are prepared that that's how we're going to
have to do it, and that's what we're gonna do. Okay,
so what will baseball. Let let's say they agree to
this deal because they have to. What does this deal look? What?

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What does what does baseball look like for this year? Well,
then it will look unlike anything we've ever seen before
in Major League Baseball. Logistically, it'll be the shortest season
including strike seasons, you know whatever, the number ends up
being sixty games season. Let's just say that there's gonna
be universal d H. We're going to see the designated

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hitter and National League for the first time ever UH scheduling.
Teams will stay in their geographic regions and so like
for example, UM Nationally West teams will play nationally West
for the most part, and they'll have a handful of
inter league games, but those will be against American League
West teams. So in other words, the Western divisions will

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all play the Western Divisions, Central Divisions play the Central,
Eastern play the Eastern UM And within all that, uh,
it sure looks like we're going to have some wacky
rules like that have been floated this summer and such
as you hit the tenth ending, any extra endings, you
start with the runner at second base UM. And I

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think basically Baseball is looking at, say take that rule
in particular, and they're they're gonna say, let's try that
and others and we'll see what, you know, since it's
such a crazy schedule, short season anyway, and we'll just
do different things that we've never been allowed to do
in this sport, and we'll see what works, what doesn't,

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what people like, what people don't, and then they'll sort
it out from there. Doug gotlip show here on Fox
Sports Radio. How does this affect the contract, the CBA
negotiations in the future, You know, I think that's why
Rob Manford and the owners, the Manford's doing everything he
can to cut a deal with the players instead of

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unilaterally ordered the game back on the field. I think
part of there are two reasons for that. One. That's
why Manford's always worked. He's he's always thought it's better
to negotiate a deal. When Bud Selig was still commissioner,
Manford was his point man for the last couple of
collective bargaining agreements that see and the players got done,

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and Manford as a result, because of that, baseball is
on an unprecedented run of twenty five years of labor
piece right now, and Manfred his fingerprints are all over that.
So now fast forward to where he's commissioner, and he
from experience understands it's better to negotiate than than it
is to use my commissioner powers in order the field

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the players on the field. So so the next c
b A, this current one expires after the one season,
so they're gonna have to start negotiating again within the
next few months. And I think Manford certainly understands if
we can get something done short term right now for
this season. As rough as relations are right now between

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players and owners, and they're not good there, I'd say
they're they're worse than any time since players don't trust
the owners. Owners are getting frustrated the players for various reasons.
Um that said, Um, it's not that if they get
an agreement to get back on the field this season,
all of a sudden, everybody's going to be singing kumbaya.

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But Manford understands that's still a better way to go
entering the negotiations. They're going to have to start very soon.
Then if they can't reach an agreement, he orders the
game back on the field, then the relations are going
to get even worse, and they're going to start from
an even worse place when they pick up talks for
the CBA. That expires after Scott Miller, major League Baseball

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columnist for Bleacher Report. He's done it for a long time.
There's a great job. He joined us in the Gottlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's assume it gets done.
Let's assume we have a season, we have these new rules.
What what do you think is going to be the
most interesting part? Because I don't know how many regular
sports fans know that baseball had changed to where you know,
you had to face three batters, unless, of course, you

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come in the middle of the inning. You know there's
some of the rule changes, um, you know, the d H,
the playing against like this. There's a lot of good
Scott that could come from this. Um. I know that
baseball loves the a L and the n L. But
the idea of you know, if you want to put
people in the seats playing, you know, change what the

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league's are like, what to you is the most interesting
part of the actual game play and how it will
work within within baseball. Yeah, and and and to your point, Doug,
the in terms of the national American leagues being separate,
really once they instituted inter league play, which started in

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so that's like a long time ago, right, that's twenty
one years twenty two years ago. Once that started, really
the line of demarcation between the American National League disappeared.
So there's still the separate leagues, but really in name only.
And the only difference because they there's inter league play
every year now. Uh, the only difference is that the

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National League hasn't had the d H. So you know,
almost by definition that's gonna be both interesting and radical
change this year and some team. The interesting thing within
that as well is remember when we last were all
at spring training in February and March, the National League
was not going to have a d H. The d

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H all of a sudden, this is a very last
minute thing. So some teams are going to be better
equipped in the National League to have a d H
than others. And you know, for example, the Los Angeles Dodgers,
remember when they made the Mookie Betts trade right before
spring training. During those negotiates, they had traded Jack Peterson

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the Los Angeles Angels, and then all of a sudden,
as when the first itineration of the Bets deal got canceled,
that did as well. Then they eventually did get the
Bets deal done, but Jack Peterson, who knew he was
going to be with the Angels, all of a sudden
that deal got canceled. Jock's back with the Dodgers. That
ends up being fortuitous because this guy that had thirty

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home runs last year and had a pretty good offensive season,
and now that there's a d H in the National League.
You know, with as far as the Dodgers are concerned
that the rich get richer, that they already have great depth,
but but now that they didn't trade Jack Peterson, that
he's gonna come in really handy as a d H.
So the d H is gonna be fascinating. Um, you

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know the extra rating rules. I I hope they don't
stick long term, but I get it for this year. Also,
they're talking free substitution and extra innings, which is something
we've never seen. Guys could come back in, back in
even if they what is for for people who have
been following, what will will extra innings look like this
year with these rules? Right? So a runner will be

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on second base to start the tenth ending for each
at bat. Uh. And the design of that is so
that we don't get eighteen nineteen endless inning games. Um.
So that's that. And and free substitution is what they're
looking at two, which again never been done. And for
that is you know, for the casual baseball fan, Uh,

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you don't Traditionally, once a baseball players subbed out, he
can't go back into the game. And that's part of
what makes the National League managerial decisions and well all
managerial decisions so fascinating because a manager, if he's going
to remove a guy, he's got to do with the
knowledge of you know what inning are we in? And
this guy, once I take him out, I can't use

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him again. He's done well. Now once extra innings hit.
This year, it looks like unless things change again at
the last minute, but they're will be free substitutions. So
if I've removed my shortstop in a double switch or
whatever for whatever reason in the seventh inning, now we're
in the twelfth inning, I can put that short stop
back in the game. And um, you know that'll be interesting.

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Vote from the standpoint has never been done before. And
also you know, as we know, baseball's a game of
routine and habits, so the players, their entire lives have
been used to the not free substitution rule. So if
I'm a short stop I'm removed in the seventh inning,
I know I'm done for the day all of a sudden.
Now this year, I'm gonna have to stay loose, stay
in uniform, because if we go twelve innings, I might

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be called on to go back in m Let's see
if they get this thing done at five o'clock when
they vote. If not, we'll see what the commissioner does
in the meantime. Scott, just like you, just like you,
all those baseball fans, we wait on bated breath, and
I can't wait till you get to actually cover the
games being played. Even if there's only sixty of them,
it's better than nothing. Thanks so much for joining us

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on Fox Sports Radio. My pleasure, Duck Thanking pleasures mine.
MLB columnist in a good one for Bleach Reports Scott Miller.
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(01:10:17):
gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio
app Doug ot Leave Show Fox Sports Radio every day.
This time, we like to play for you a portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Trader of Fox
Sports One. Don't we call it? This was Colin Cowherd
talking about the Patriots without Tom Brady, m jan Brady.

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And it wasn't just basketball and football. It was sort
of this wilfulness and this drive and this alpha and
this leadership. You can't replace that stuff. New England in
thirty plus years before Tom Brady had eight double digit
winning seasons. They were a bad franchise. They were a
bad franchise. The the Chicago Bulls before Michael Jordan's in

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a decade made the playoffs, just made them three times
post Michael Jordan twenty years, twenty two years, five playoffs.
They're not dysfunctional. It's what they always were. New England
was irrelevant, bad uniforms and they had good quarterbacks. Steve
Rogan bledso they were irrelevant. Just in the northeast. The
Steelers were more important. The Ravens were better run often.

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Uh the Eagles, the New York Giants. Just in the northeast.
Washington for years was much more relevant. With Joe Gibbs.
They almost moved to Connecticut. I'm not joking. Goole is
from there. There was a time they were gonna move
to Hartford. The idea that you could just replace Jordan
and replace Brady. Uh no, um. I don't think anybody

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thought you could just replace Jordan or just replaced Brady.
And it should be pointed out that the Patriots actually
signed a deal to move to Connecticut. That was a
done deal, and that's how they ultimately got Gillette Stadium
and the opening of Gillett's stadium coincided with the celebration
of their first Super Bowl win. You guys remember that, right.
It was a dump. They were a bad franchise. They

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were downtrodden. It should also be pointed out that Bill
Belichick wasn't running the team then, and they've been the
big picture of consistency with Tom Brady but also with
Bill Belichick. I here, here's what I want. If if
you don't like the Patriots plan, which we don't really
know but we suppose it's Jared Stidham, and if if

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Stidham doesn't work, they go in draft a quarterback next year,
then you have to love what the Green Bay Packers
have done, right. I like congruent arguments. I like congruent arguments.
And what's what? Who are the franchises who've been able
to keep it going. The Niners went from Montana to

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Young It was ugly at the end for Montana, but
they had back to back Hall of famers and it's
stretched out their ability to be successful and actually weren't
bad with with Garcia quarterback. The Packers were great because
they went from far to Rogers and now we're trying
to go to Jordan's love eventually, so you can sit

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here and go, hey, New England, you Garoppolo, they traded away,
and Brisset you trade away, and now you have nothing
and it's gonna fall apart. And and Colin is more
likely to be right in this than he is wrong.
But one, this is what Belichick was trying to do
having Jimmy Garoppolo. And two, if you don't like what
the Patriots are doing or what their future looks like,

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you better love green Bay's plan because green Bay understands
if you don't have that great quarterback, you're gonna fall
apart in terms of legacy. It also, though, also says,
you know why Joe Gibson is great? Three different suples,
three different starting quarterbacks, can me name him? Ripping was

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the last one, right, and of course Doug Williams was
in the middle, and the first one was Joe Tisman.
These been changed the name thisman to win the Heian right. Um,
But yeah, I mean it's really hard to do it
if you don't have a great quarterback. But I also
would point out that what I think what New England
is really good at is looking around the league and

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going all right, what's the trends here, How can we
how can we do something really smart? And while Brady
has no doubt covered up words for years. I covered
up words for years. It should also be pointed out
that what they're doing is reloading their roster. Was second
and third round picks, which don't hurt you against the cap.

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You can get a volume of young athletic dudes. They're
in a year where they're in cap hell, and they
were just trying to stretch out their championship window if
they kept Brady anyway, he wasn't staying. And so they
look around the league and they say, hey, who are
the most talented franchises. Who's got the most talent? Kansas City, Baltimore, Dallas,

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San Francisco. Right, those are the teams with the most
overall talent. How did they accrue said talent? They had
quarterbacks on rookie or you know, less, smaller money deals.
I know that Garoppolo signed a big deal, but they
were able to they tanked and they were to load up,
and they loaded up on more draft picks when Garoppolo

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got hurt. And only now that the money is really Garoppolo,
you know, now they've had to make some adjustments. But
the Cowboys have a fourth round pick as their quarterback.
That's how they got so many dudes. The Ravens have
always been very well run organization. They have a guy
under a rookie deal in Lamar Jackson. That's how they
get so many dudes. Kansas City continues to kind of

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push off the Pat Mahomes contract because when you got
to start a quarterback on a rookie deal, that's how
you load up on so many guys. There's a there's
a genius to what New England's doing. The question becomes
is stid Hum that guy they can build around? Where
do they have to use the resources of the first
round picks that they have and more that they can

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trade for to get a quarterback next year? And that
we just don't know. I like I've talked a lot today.
I do this for three hours a day every day
for the last fifteen years. I feel like if there's
been a lot more spoken words today. Yes, Uh, why
is that? Well? UM, tell you what you take off? Ramos,

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Ralph and I even Elijah will take over for here.
We'll cover from two to three. Sound good, DW I'm good, Okay,
I'm good. All right, I'm I'm good. I'm really really good.
All I got a lot too. Code of next, um
NASCAR race got canceled, to get canceled again, rain delay. Yes,

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it's hard in the South, in the in the early
summer with these thunderstorms. Really is hard, big powerful moment.
Ralph will tell you about the top the hour that
took place, and I'll talk about it too with Bubba Walla.
So coming up next, I want to get to this
Dak Prescott, what he's doing and why he's doing it.
Dak Prescott has signed a franchise tag tender. All right,

(01:17:16):
what it means, why he did it, and the word
we cannot use in regards to how the Dallas Cowboys
have negotiated with their starting quarterback. All right, let's get
to all that. Up coming next this the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch the

(01:17:37):
live edition of The Doug GOTTLEIAP Show weekdays at three
p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio a app. What Up Doug Gottlip Show,
Fox Sparts Radio. I give you my thoughts on Dak Prescott,
who has signed his franchise tender in just a moment,

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but pretty powerful moment. The start of the NASCAR race
today at Talladega. Talladega was supposed to be yesterday, five
thousand people plus like forty four UH mobile homes in attendance.
There was a rain delay and then it was it
was postponed because of rain. And when Bubba Wallace, was
a black driver, got back to his garage, somebody found

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a noose. And I don't think I have to tell
you this, but as offensive as Confederate flag is, right,
like Confederate flag is without any question offensive, And if
it's not offensive to you, you should ask somebody else
because you're pretty pretty obviously not seeing the world through

(01:18:48):
the lens of just about everybody else, right. I mean, look,
I don't know where ranks in offensive flags in terms
of the the German double swastik of but whatever, dude,
do yourself a favor. And if you can't figure out
why it's offensive, again, do a little reading, ask somebody
and they'll let you know. A news is that's a

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hate crime, You're going to jail. And not only are
you a dope if you think that is like threatening
somebody or putting is a good idea or whatever. But
when you only have five thousand people into tendants and
cameras everywhere, they're gonna catch whoever did this. I just,

(01:19:37):
I just I struggle struggle to understand that we live
in a world which somebody would think that was a
good idea, right, or or you you dislike another race
so much you would do that. I don't, I don't,
I don't know. Some synapses aren't quite firing anyway. It

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was a good look from NASCAR, as bad look as
the airplane flying a Confederate flag over the race yesterday
was as bad a look as the noose in the
garage is. It was a really good look today, the
solidarity shown by by fellow drivers that said, I just

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there's so much damage done in NASCAR, right, so much
damage done. Crazy. So Dak Prescott apparently has signed his
franchise tender. Now what this means is if they don't,
if they don't get a deal done by July, a

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long term contract extension, then he'll play under the franchise
tender and he'll make two million dollars just from the
Cowboys alone guaranteed for this year. Injury, No, injury doesn't matter.
If if I'm the Cowboys and I don't get a
deal done, I sit there and go, hey, finally, finally

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Jerry Jones stuck to his guns. Now there is the
possibility that this puts a lot of pressure on the
Cowboys because some in the Cowboys believe that there's a
chance that they could deal for Jamal Adams, and the
ability to deal for Jamal Adams, who would require a
contract extension, would mean that you first have to negotiate
Dack's long term contract before you had negotiate a trade

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for Jamal Adams. That said, I think this is the
challenge to the Dallas Cowboys. Can Jerry Jones? Will Jerry
Jones stick to his guns and say, look, we don't

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want to go to the forty we are, we want
to stay in the low thirties. We want to go
to a fifth year, not just four years. Why does
that matter? Because Dak wants to be back out in
the market again and cash in again, and he has
every right to want that, and Cowboys have every right

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to go like, yeah, you know what, we actually prefer
that extra tact on year. Why because we said so,
if we're willing to pay you somewhere in the neighborhood
of one hundred and twenty million dollars for four years.
Then you know what, if we want right a first
refusal for one additional year, we're gonna take it. We're

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gonna take it. And what I don't want to hear,
what no one really wants to hear, is any idea
that they disrespected Dak Prescott by not giving into his
desires to be the highest paid quarterback to surpass Carson
Wentz to have a four year deal so we could
be back out in the market, because the truth is

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that Deck does not actually have the leverage. He doesn't
there is absolutely the only reason that the Dallas Cowboys
would give in and want a long term contract extension
is that they wanted to free up some money to
pay some other players, because his money will count dollar

(01:23:28):
for dollar when he's on a franchise tag against the cap.
But unless they're going after Jamal Adams, and even if
they go after Jamal Adams, the truth is he only
makes three million dollars and change this year. There's a
way to creative math, so they don't have to do that.
But whatever, like the Dallas Cowboys have already signed everybody else.

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Mark Cooper signed Jalen Smith. This signed. The offensive line
is all signed. Zeke Elliott signed Blake Jarwin. Their tight
end s mind long term extension. While this normally would
put pressure on a team to free up money, the

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Cowboys money is pretty much all accounted for. Could they
use some help on defense, absolutely, but they don't have to.
They don't have to do anything. They can stick their
heels in the ground and say we're not budging. This
is our bottom line. If not, look playing the franchise

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tag and if we can't come to a deal next year,
you're playing the franchise tag again, and you've made sixty
million dollars guaranteed over two years. No one would bat
an eye over that. So the challenge for the Dallas
Cowboys is to not repeat history and give in to
contract demands. They've never done that, but until July fift

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they have the ability to do that. But whatever you do,
please don't say it's disrespectful. You offer a guy somewhere
in the one thirty to one hundred and fifty million
dollars with over a hundred million dollars guaranteed for four
to five years, paying him in the top ten salaries

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in the sport when you didn't beat a winning team
last year. That is the opposite of disrespect. That's saying, Hey,
those things that went wrong, none of them are your fault.
That's what's saying. So I like Dak Prescott. I don't
think he's one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL.

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I do think there's a value to having a guy
who you've had matriculate through your system. Not so much
so that I'm willing to break the bank, and I
like that. This is why the franchise tag exists. It
works for the players because they get ungodly absorbed absorbed
amount of money and they could be back doing this
exact same dance next year. For for for some reason,

(01:25:56):
we've decided that the franchise tag is a bad thing.
Because you listen to the players and their agents, that's
what you do. It is not a bad thing. It
is not a great thing. Hey, what it does is
it protects the teams so that they're not constantly dealing
with young players who get down with their players, that

(01:26:17):
get downe with their contracts, that want to become free agents.
They don't want what the NBA has become that's not
good for their business. And the reward to players for
staying put even if they can't find middle ground for
their contract is to be paid guaranteed for one year
at the average of the top five salaries at their position,

(01:26:40):
and then you can do it again next year, and
you can do it again in the y after that.
In the third year, it's actually uh like x plus one.
There's actually even more money. You have to have a
transitional tax You can tell me this doesn't work out
well for the players. I give you Kirk Cousins, who
had to franchise TAXI played under and then signed a
huge deal eighties six million dollars guarant heat some totally

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made about a hundred twenty million dollars over five years.
At the time that was among the top salaries the
entire sport. And as as as good as Kirk Cousins
has become despite being a fourth round draft pick, he
is not one of the top five quarterbacks in the sport.
He's not one of the top five players in sport.
He used the system, played it out and were rewarded,

(01:27:22):
and then got a contract extension this year. So you're
not gonna find me as somebody to go, oh, I
feel so bad for you. You You got a guaranteed contract
for a year at thirty disrespected. He wasn't disrespecting the album.
A five year contract. He wants four, all right, that's
called a negotiation. We want you so much, we want
you contract under contract longer, not shorter. That's disrespectful. That's

(01:27:47):
not disrespectful. That's negotiating. That's negotiating for everybody, as well
as your coming up next, I think we have reached
a worst case scenario for one of America's most popular sports.
I'll explain that next. Be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.

(01:28:07):
Easter noon Pacific. I am it is one of those
stories that I'm I'm interested in? Is this? I thought
NASCAR showed great solidarity today for Bubba Wallace. I want
to see the video because whoever this idiot is, if
they left the news there or whatever, there's gonna be video.
It's like the guy who tried to steal Tom Brady's jersey,
like or did steal it and then ultimately had you know,

(01:28:29):
got got caught. Like there's going to be video of
this there's no way. Do you have any idea how
valuable all of that equipment they have in the garages? Right,
So the idea they don't have video cameras. Come on,
there's video cameras. I like to know who it is.
I like to know who it is. I mean, are

(01:28:52):
you are you single handedly trying to torpedo a sport?
Is that what you're doing? That? Is that? Was that
your goal? Because if not, you're doing it pretty good
job of it. Um. Major League Baseball is in one
of these kind of worst case scenario type deals. Right,

(01:29:14):
worst case scenario because okay, they're gonna vote at five
o'clock Eastern time. It's like they're voting right now, so
very soon we will find out. It's the simple YEA
or nay? Do you want to play baseball? No, here's
the thing. They're not actually voting for whether or not

(01:29:35):
they want to play baseball. They're voting for whether or
not they want to play baseball under whatever that this
deal they've actually come to is. Here's what I mean.
So the there's two possible olcomes. They vote yea, they
play sixty games and there's some benefits with it. They

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vote nay. The commissioners expected to come in and rule
they play fifty games with uh less benefits for them.
All right, Like, this is a lose lose for the players.
If you want a better deal, time is up. Time
is up? Does it? And you said, they're going, well,

(01:30:19):
we can't. You can't get more than sixty games in.
There just isn't the time. You didn't and the the
owners don't want doubleheaders. The players said they do doubleheaders,
but really don't want to. You have to get the
postseason in. You have to get it in under timely
fashion order because that's where all the money is made
and you will reap a good portion of the benefits

(01:30:41):
from it. That the playoffs will be expanded. Like all
this stuff is good, but you and you're going to
play baseball. There's going to be playoffs. This is a
the no brainer of all no brainers that you vote you,
I I understand you. Well, we're gonna give into this
and we're gonna go to in any that and we're
gonna do this. Of fine, fine, but the the absolute

(01:31:05):
truth is you don't really have a choice. And look
now you're starting to be concerned with the positive cases
down in spring training. They've shut down all these facilities
because you've waited so long. And my my thing has
always been like, look, this is the this is where
college athletics does. Get it, get them back to campus,
learn how to deal with it, treated quarantine people that

(01:31:28):
test positive, and that way, by the time you get
to the season, it doesn't mean it's gone through your
entire team and that you have HERD immunity, but at
least you know how to deal with it. Baseball is
gonna be working on a time crunch and they're just
now figuring out, Oh my god, we got a lot
of guys testing positive. This is why Mark arguing over
money and games like you you just should have done

(01:31:52):
it three weeks ago, four weeks ago. Just sit down
and iron it out. But instead you play the delay game.
And yeah, the owners are gonna lose money, but remember
they lose more money the more games you play, and
they just want to get to those playoffs and they
are always going to get their way because owners do
in fact own I don't know. I just I'm fascinated

(01:32:15):
by the players, and I don't I don't see any
way you vote for anything else. If you want to
know the details of the agreement, you know, as the
offer changed. I love the fact that both both sides
have continually said there will be no more discussion than
all of a sudden, there's a new offer. Okay, here's

(01:32:38):
a here's a here's a saying you can use for yourself.
There is no such thing as last and final. Got it.
I've been enough contract negotiations before, whether it's at at
work outside of work, there is no such thing as
last and final. Until that ink is dry, and even

(01:33:01):
sometimes after think is dry, There's no such thing as
lasting final. A case in point Major League Baseball, who
changed their offer to the players earlier today, which is
delayed the vote, proving once again there is no such
thing as lasting final. Rob Manford wrote, Tony, I'm writing

(01:33:22):
you to reiterate what I told you in the phone
a few minutes ago. Given COVID developments, I understand the
players are concerned about the two thousand twenty season will
be truncated beyond the the upon agreed upon number of games.
For example, we agreed to play sixty, but can only
play forty. If that were to happen, I would be
prepared to eliminate the two thousand twenty one components of
the deal. That would mean we would not get the

(01:33:44):
expanded playoffs in two thousand one, and the d H
rule would revert to the current rule d H in
the a L and no d H in the n L.
All right, but all the deal, the deal is right there,
and the uh they will they will get the full
what's called abbreviated salaries. It won't take any more money

(01:34:04):
away pro rated salaries, thank you. But the basics of
it are this, do you want to play baseball? Good?
You're gonna play baseball sixty or fifty in terms of games,
and that's only the only difference for everybody involved is
do you want to make ten more games money? This
is the easiest yes you've ever this. You almost feel like,

(01:34:27):
if you're Major League Baseball's players, you should vote yes
the way that we agree to the terms of our iTunes.
When you get updated later today, Oh yeah, it looks
good because you're not actually voting to not play. You're
voting okay, I'm gonna play, and all these other stipulations
go away. We're gonna have baseball. But they are creeping

(01:34:51):
up on that worst possible scenario, which is you finally
get to decide to play baseball, but you've taken so
damn long that the COVID tests are popping up, and
now you get delayed again, and maybe you lose all
the benefits you fought for in two thousand twenty one,
which could make back some of the money in the
shortfall this year. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.

(01:35:11):
Easter noon Pacific. Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Rick
Buker joins us, Um, Bucker, are you gonna go to
Orlando to be in the bubble? I don't know yet.
I'm waiting to. I'm waiting to find out, wait to
find out. Do you want to? I wouldn't say that
I want to, but I will go. I am intrigued

(01:35:32):
by it, um, just the experience of doing it. It's
gonna be, you know, first time, maybe only time. Who knows. Um.
I'm fascinated by what ho by, how and what happens.
But I don't know. I mean, look, two or three
months in lockdown is um is when you when you

(01:35:53):
suddenly think about it, it is a commitment. But UM,
at same time, I'm really fascinated by what what it's
gonna be like, And the closer I can be to
something than the more uh more of a feel I'm
gonna have for exactly what it's all about. Not just that,

(01:36:14):
but the relationships that could be established because you know,
guys can't go anywhere, right, it can't go anywhere, and
so they're there and whether it's you know, playing golf
or just hanging out and having coffee. You know this
this thing goes liken. You go to All Star weekend, right,
or you go to the draft and you see everybody
you know grabbing Starbucks coffee in the morning, like it

(01:36:37):
you would be in the inner circle of the NBA.
Like that'd be fast fascinating. On the other hand, you
would not be able to see your your kids for
probably three months. But but look, this is what I've
told NBA guys that are telling me about the three
month thing. I was like, look, you've gotten to spend
three months around your kids with You're not having to
go to work. You never get that. So if this

(01:36:58):
is the bad side, the good it is you got
way more time than you ever ever thought possible previously. Yeah,
And I you know there's two parts of it too.
I look at. Certainly, it's that intimacy. I would say,
it's it's it's probably even better than All Star or
something like that. It's it's I used to go to
the Pete Nel big Man Camp on Hawaii every every

(01:37:19):
summer and that was truly off the grid, and all
of the top coaches were there and you had players
coming in and it was super, super casual. I would
imagine this is not going to be that, but it
would be somewhere in between. Youah, that's the other part.
I just think. I think about people who are who
are in the military and stationed various places, and they're

(01:37:41):
a lot, they're a lot longer and um and have
far less of an understanding of what the end date is.
So I get it. It's a sacrifice. My kids are
at a stage now as teenagers where uh, you know,
I might feel different at a different stage in their lives,
but I again, you know, I will go if if

(01:38:05):
called upon ya. So what is it is like a lottery?
Like how does it? How does it work? Uh? It's
it's not a lottery. It's a matter of does your
outlet want to put up the money? And uh, you know,
what are you going to get out of it, and
who are they going to send and for what reasons?
And I don't know that that decision has been made.
I would probably go on behalf the bleacher Report, but

(01:38:27):
I don't know, uh if, if or what the decision
on that. It hasn't been made yet as far as
I know, Rick Bucker joining us on the Doug Gotlief
Show on Fox Sports Radio. UM Toronto has already headed
down there, right and they're getting They're all going to
make sure that they're clean and quarantine before they kind
of start working out or whatever. But this is so
that there's no border kind of of issues. Uh what

(01:38:50):
are you hearing about some of the other teams, Like
I've Dallas is now they need more, they need to
add players, Like this is kind of really a fascinating
couple of weeks here before they get going. Yeah, it
really is. I mean, uh, they're gonna have to add players.
The Uh my understanding is Jalen Brunson uh is had
soldier shoulder surgery and the last I talked to someone

(01:39:12):
close to him, they said he was not going to
play against his play again this season, regardless of when
the starting starting date was. So, uh, look it's it's
I'll be honest, I haven't been ear to the ground
as far as who is going where. UM. I do
take the Raptors move in going down there early as

(01:39:37):
an indication of the focus of that organization. Uh, in
terms of, you know what, we got a chance to
be back to back champions. We're gonna do whatever is
necessary to make that to make that happen and give
us an advantage and uh. And so I think that's
a I think that's a really good sign because this

(01:39:59):
is the interesting point point for me. I think it's
a really good sign in terms of in order to
do that, you have to already talk to your players
and got an agreement that this is what we're gonna do,
and everybody's signing off on it and feeling good about it.
The interesting part will be you are going down there
for three months, Um, what's this time running? You know,

(01:40:22):
ramping up to the three months bubble? Is that going
to add to the mental stress or is it going
to make you more comfortable when when when things start.
It's an interesting experiment, But I just I like the
idea of of a team saying we're not going to

(01:40:42):
be afraid of the three months bubble, We're gonna embrace it,
and we're gonna embrace this journey and we have our
focus on one thing, which isn't three months away from
our family or playing with no fans or this is
gonna be weird. It's like, what do we need to
do to win a championship. It's just a really good
sign I think for afterspans. I tend to agree Jason

(01:41:03):
Kidd he's going to interview or has interviewed with the
New York Knicks. Where does he stand in regards to
the pecking order of the potential new head coaches? I honestly,
I don't know that there is a pecking order with
them yet. I think that they're taking from what I know,
They're just taking their opportunity to talk to as many

(01:41:25):
people as possible. And I'm pretty certain that Jason's deal
with the Lakers said they he was given permission. Um,
I'm pretty certain that his deal gave him if there
was an opportunity for him to to to either interview
or become a head coach, that that he had the
freedom to do that. Uh, it's it's it's an interesting

(01:41:47):
The one element here that is interesting that and I
don't have the answer to it, and it's something that
I'm looking to find out. Is it appeared like Tom
Phibota was the leader in the clubhouse. And what I
don't know is they're continuing to an interview a variety

(01:42:08):
of people that would lend me leave me to believe
that kids didn't blow them away with whatever their meeting was.
That they're continuing to explore their options doesn't mean he's
not ultimately going to get it, but it's not to
the point where they closed the door after the the

(01:42:28):
the initial talks with tips. Who do you think it
helps more the layoff the Clippers and the Lakers. I
have to believe that it's the Clippers simply because Buy
and Paul George are had especially Paul coming back from
the shoulder surgery, has has had the opportunity to get healthy.

(01:42:53):
The way we saw them come into the season, we
saw them really good and they hadn't necessary erely found
their chemistry. I feel as if what made the Lakers
so good was their chemistry. And now you throw in
the whole wrinkle of Lebron having one view of playing
Avery Bradley having another, uh Dwight Howard having yet another.

(01:43:17):
And I know that lou Williams has talked about having
some reservations, but there's nothing like having Lebron involved in
any sort of disagreement, large or small, that creates a distraction.
And so I just feel like the chemistry of the
Lakers was really probably the biggest special ingredient that they had.

(01:43:39):
And now I I you know, can they get it back,
how can how fast can they get it back? And
how much is the social justice question about playing not
playing going to effective? It's a great question. I don't
know the answer to it, and I guess only time
will in fact tell do you believe that Jayson Tatum
didn't touch a basketball at all during quarantine. I believe

(01:44:04):
it's possible that he didn't shoot. Um. I believe that
it's possible that he even that is kind of hard
to believe. Um, But to say that he didn't touch
a basketball doesn't mean that he hasn't been training. So um. Look,
I will tell you. I know guys that during their
off season they literally did not touch a basketball. They

(01:44:25):
weren't as young as Jayson Tatum. I was usually a
guy who was eight nine, ten years in the league
would like just for a mental standpoint, a lot of
other things to condition, but wouldn't touch a basketball. Um,
I don't know. I don't have any reason not to
believe it. It's kind of a little disappointing. But if
he's training physically, then, you know, to each his own

(01:44:48):
I will say, you know, Jason looked. I'm I'm I'm
gonna reserve my criticism of Jayson Tatum because he impressed
me so much with the turn that he made that
that's the thing. He was becoming a star, an absolute
star before before this thing got shut down. Yeah, so
maybe so maybe maybe he's just taking the star turn

(01:45:09):
and he's playing an okay doke. I don't know. I
don't know. He doesn't strike me the times that I've
talked to him as that type of guy, But um,
I'm not. I'm just gonna reserve judgment. I I just
don't want to like go into this vacuum and suddenly say, yeah,
it's disappointing that he hasn't touched the basketball because I

(01:45:30):
don't know what else he might have been doing, and
the way he was touching a basketball last last week
saw him. I'm good with that. How different do you
think it will become difficult for the Nets to get
a big time coach, considering how it appears like the
Kyrie thing is just not easy. Right, doesn't mean that

(01:45:53):
he's uncoachable, Right, doesn't mean you can clearly can win
a championship with him. But but you know the the
one eight, the heel turn he did in regards to
uh his desire to play, and now a sudden let's
start our own league you just the way carry is is?
Does that make it more difficult for Brooklyn to find
a premier coach? So, like you have to tell me

(01:46:16):
what a premier coach would be, I would say instinctively, no,
it won't, because coaches always want talent, and you can
tell them about all the headaches that the guy might be.
But they'd rather do that then take a team that's
five hundred or or just subpar. You know, give me
the talent and I'll try to figure it out. I'd

(01:46:36):
rather try to try to go that direction, no matter
what headache might be presented or whatever. You know, it's
only a Phil Jackson who will say I'm not going
to coach Lebron, not going to Cleveland to coach Lebron James.
Those guys are that's a rare bird. Most would say,
give me a shot. But I just I don't know
of a premier coach, a guy that I would consider

(01:47:00):
a premier coach who's available. I think there's some good coaches.
I don't. I don't. I can't think of a premier
coach right now it's on the market. I mean, Jeff
Van Gunney be the only one I could think of
that that is viewed, at least from people I've talked to,
as a premier coach. Yes, I mean Doc's not going anywhere, right,
Brad Stevens not going anywhere. Phil Jackson is not coaching anybody. Uh,

(01:47:23):
Mike D'Antoni maybe out out of a job. But but
you know, it doesn't feel like he's viewed as nearly
a premier coach anymore. But you know, you know, Greg
pop Vitch might retire, but he's not taking on the job.
With with Brooklyn Nets, I think, I think with I
think with Jeff, it's a matter of that he has
an alternative that's pretty nice that he doesn't have to

(01:47:44):
go do it, and and so I would say I
would be inclined. He's one of those guys who would go, yeah,
I don't really, I don't. I don't. I don't need
to put up with that. I got My life is
pretty good. I don't want to add that if if
you're telling I've got talent, but I'll take a pass
on that. I don't see. I could see that being

(01:48:04):
a discourage. But I think you see Kyrie, the uncertainty
of Kyrie, how to coach Kyrie. That that would be
an uncertainty that would sway Jeff to stay on TV.
Gonna be interesting, man, All right, let us know if
you get the quarantine lotto ticket, right, it's like uh,
like Willy Wonka's right, like where you get a chocolate
bar and you open it up and it says you're

(01:48:24):
invited to quarantine, and uh, you know, make sure you
do what the MPAs tell you to do. If you go,
we appreciate you join us. Uh, you got it. I
look forward to reports from inside the bubble here on
the Dot. That would be pretty cool. Rick Buker is
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listen live Doug Gottlieb Show, FOXSI Radio. Let's get to
the press, the press, Ralph Irvin, What you got, Ralph? Well,
we've got an interesting one from Adrian Wozarowski saying that Trailblazers,
for Trevor reason, is opting out of participating in the

(01:49:28):
NBA's Orlando restart this season, instead committing to a one
month visitation window with his young son. That he's in
a custody case over his twelve year old son, and
the mother's choice of granting a court ordered one minute,
one month visitation period during the quarantine left a reason
to choose between parenting and playing basketball. That seems so

(01:49:51):
bizarre to me. I want to once you understand, I
I do understand, like and this is the right choice
to make. But couldn't there be some amendments made like
couldn't he spend the first month with him, like in
Orlando when their training. I think that would be incredible.
It's it's you talked about the choice. Why did you

(01:50:12):
have to make that choice? What do you mean? Well,
I mean it's just why was it? Why was this
the choice that was presented to him? I don't know,
I you know, like I don't know if the kid
lives with the mom the whole year and then he
gets one month in the in the summer, right, but
this is you know, because of his school, or he
gotta be back by August, like by middle of August.

(01:50:33):
I don't know. Um, I do know that, like this
is the real world and these are just part of
these kind of little Everybody has their own issue and
like one of the reasons the players initially balked was
Janice just had a baby, right, and they were at
first there was like there was no families, Like, well
then we have immediate families and whatever there is. So
everybody has their own thought and and thing they have

(01:50:56):
to work through. And obviously this means no Trevor Reza
for the But the Blablazers are kind of a mess, right,
Litard didn't want to go there unless they can have
a chance to the playoffs. Melo wasn't sure he wanted
to play there. Now they don't have a reason. See
J McCollum didn't want to go. He didn't know. He
was one of you, was one of the guys saying
that why are we going, you know, with everything going

(01:51:17):
on in your world? All right, listen, I'm just gonna
tell you, like, there are some really smart people and
and they're not going. They're not going to not go.
But that's a that's like the opposite of reality, right,
like the opposite reality. Again, I'm not sitting here professing
to know what the black experience in America is, Like,

(01:51:38):
I'm not. I'm sympathetic and empathetic towards anybody who feels
like they're harassed, they're discriminated, discriminated against, right, But what
I will tell you is in the in the real world,
if you want to make a change, could you protest
in March? You could? But you know what else you
could do? You could play have a huge platform every

(01:51:58):
day of the week in national TV. And oh yeah,
by the way, the money you make, you're gonna we've
wont you can put in your bank account, give it
your family, or you could use it for those causes
for good. And meanwhile, you'll have an elongated off season
in which you can once again get back to if
you think that this movement is that important. But the
idea of turning down a job in which you're making
well into seven figures and you'd have your own platform,

(01:52:22):
you know, you already have your own podcast, your platform
to share all of your political views. I it is
really backwards logic from reality. The Wizards. Davis Burton is
also going to sit out. Here's raising a little bit different.
He is worried about injury, and he's going into a
free agency year. He's already torn his A C L twice. Yeah,
he's got two A C L injuries. Um. Again, though

(01:52:44):
I would tell you that I I think this there's
a bad argument. Somebody's given him some bad advice because
when you get the trading camp and now I don't
know what kind of shape he's kept himself in. We
saw Marcusol looks like he's lost like fifty pounds, right,
Apparently James Harden's kind of saying thing, a lot of
these guys lost a lot of weight. Um, but remember
there's twenty two teams in the bubble, all that personnel

(01:53:06):
in the bubble. If you're appending free agent, whence you
want to go down there and kick butt and look
like you're in great shape and look like you're ready to,
you know, get commanded for your contract again. Some of
these guys get so, now, now what I think if
I'm gonna sign? Uh? Gonna sign him? And I'm like, oh, wait,
he's too fragile playing the bubble. Why the hell do
I want to sign a long term deal? Uh? The

(01:53:30):
Power couple Alex Rodriguez Jennifer Lopez aren't giving up on
their purchase of the Mets. They've partnered with billionaire Mike Repole,
who is the co founder of body Armor and Vitamin Water,
trying to buy the Mets. Hmm um, I think the
whole thing is gonna be fascinating. Here's a guy that

(01:53:51):
that's served the longest suspension the history of the sport
in regards to performance engine drug He's become the face
kind of the league, broadcasting to networks and now are
you gonna are you allowing to be a majority owner? Um?
I think that part will be fascinating. Refo, of course
was he sold it to Coca Cola and Kobe was

(01:54:11):
a partner to right four point one billion dollars. So
that guy, I'm just interested in, why why does he
need Alex Rodriguez. Now, the good thing about Repole is
he's a native, not just New Yorker, but a native
of Queens And of course that's where so like, you
want a Met fan to own the Mets, and this
might be their best possibility staying in New York. The

(01:54:33):
Giants have reached out to their season ticket holders, letting
them know that if they want to keep their tickets
for this year, great and if not, we'll see in
one in EUROPSL is still in place. Yeah, how the
world looks when we come out of not just quarantine
but the protest. And I mean we we don't know.
I mean, look, it's hard enough to sell season tickets

(01:54:54):
as it is with so many things available, and now
you cut out the corporate money, because corporations are going
to try and cut back. I just there's gonna be
some deals to be had on tickets. I just don't
know if those deals are actually ones at what you
want to take. And Tusker Loosa says, if we don't
have college football, this town's gonna lose two billion dollars
in revenue. Yeah, people don't understand the real world of

(01:55:15):
economics of football. They we we talked so much about
the schools and what they make and the TV deals,
but the real world of those those home football games,
especially for sisters of the poor. You know, when McNee
State comes in and gets in a million dollar check,
all the hotels, all the restaurants, all the bars, the sororities, attorneys,
they'll welcome people back. That's the lifeblood of a university,

(01:55:36):
more so than the actual game itself. And that's why
I college football is gonna be played, and I think
they'll be fans in the stands, get out there and
pressed that the press. All right, um so, so we'll
find out about baseball upcoming, So keep it right here
to Fox Sports Radio. Rob Parker's on in an hour.

(01:55:56):
We're not talking about his dead Spin column. May we'll
talk about tomorrow with him. M hm hm um. Kind
of good day for NASCAR and continuing their solidarity. Only
the weather is still factor of Talladega that stinks. Probably
have baseball officially on the books as of tomorrow we'll
react to it, plus what would life be like in
the bubble? What about the things you could take with you?

(01:56:17):
What would you take with you? We'll get to that
tomorrow on The dug Out Liep Show, Fox Sports Radio

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