Realistic expectations for Cam Newton & the Patriots

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Former player, Major League Baseball analyst and and manager joins us.
We'll also catch up with Ben Voland who's in Boston.
He covers all of the National Football League. But he'll
give us his sense of Cam Newton what the reality
is to his role with the New England Patriots. Plus
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former manager in Major League Baseball, will join us in
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baseball season. Uh. In fifteen minutes, though, I'm gonna ask
the question which all of you, I believe are wondering,
in what world are we truly okay with guys not

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playing sports when it's their job. It's the It is
the weirdest juxtaposition of positions of all time, and I
think there's one in in particular that is really really interesting.
Get to get to that upcoming. Chris Bennet's gonna join
us in an hour. Ben Bolden, I was gonna join

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us from the Boston Globe. Is the NFL inside of
West him what he thinks happens with Cam Newton? And
and in regards to Cam Newton, you know, are there
expectations that he starts makes the team? Like what? That's
really what I want to begin today, because now, look,
one of the one of the things that's great about

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this show, and it's bad about this show as well,
is we air at three eastern noon Pacific, and I've
been at this time slot since oh man two thousands
and roughly two thousand and seven, I believe, right, So
you're talking about fourteen years and running or so at

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a round and at this time, and I've done nighttime
before they did nighttime radio then like seven to ten eastern,
and there was like four to seven, and then since
two thousand twelve it's been three to six eastern twelve
to three Pacific. So what you have is, you know,
morning shows get all the news of the night and
some of the stories of the morning. Then you have
that's that's up until nine or ten eastern time right

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then for us, and you have Dan Patrick who gets
all the stories of last night and then all the
stories of today. And then you get Calherd he reacts
to the same. And then they also have some newsmakers
on you'll have an interview, and so we get the
benefit of knowing what the stories are, hearing some of
the biggest takes of the day, hearing some of the

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the writers, the athletes, the opinionist on it, and then
reacting to all of that. Now, look, the challenge for
me as always, can you find a way to be
creative because everyone else has talked about what you want
to talk about unless something breaks in the middle of
the day. But but the the good part about it
is now we have a chance to catch our breath.
I saw John Mikolkof's a friend of the show. He

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appears every Friday. H He has the three Now podcast,
which is all about football. He's he's magnificent and he
does these little Twitter shows, and on his Twitter show
he was like, thank God for the Cam Newton story.
It's the most normal story we've had. We finally have
a normal sports story, which is a great way to

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put it right, Like guy who was face of the franchise,
m VP of the league, without a job, then signs
with the Patriots for pennies on the dollar. That's a
normal sports story, right there isn't And I'm not trying
to take away from some of the other stories, but

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there's been lots of other stories which are just so
different from things we're not. Sports guys were not used
to talking about racial injustice because generally in sports it's
a meritocracy. The best guy plays, period, or maybe the
guy with the biggest contract who at some point in
time was thought to be the best guy, gets the

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right of first refusal. But now that I've heard a
day and a half of reaction on Cam Newton signing
and envy an NFL minimum veteran contract deal that's incentively laden.
I've I have reached the point of a reckoning, right,
we have to slow down on Cam Newton. In basketball,

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the expression is you're open for a reason, and maybe
in all professional sports it would be you're unemployed for
a reason. Now, I would say that part of the
reason that Cam Newton was unemployed as long as he
was unemployed was because there was the thought and I
think he felt I should be a starter, and when
you tell people you want to be a starter, that

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translates into I want starter money. And to go from
making nineteen million to making one million. I don't think
he would have been at that place going back a
month or two months ago. Jamis Winston didn't help him.
But I would also say that the Patriots being the
team that offered him did help him, not just because

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they don't have a definable starter, but because of the
respect that Bill Belichick has, his ability to tinker game plans.
I told you about Jakobe Brissett, even Josh McDaniels when
he was in Denver and he had Tim Tebow. The
ability to change your offense to fit your personnel is
uh is something you're gonna have to do if you
want Cam Newton. He is not Tom Brady. He's not.

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But we've reached this point where now we have a
guy who was a former great player, has had multiple surgeries,
was on the open market. Anyone could have signed him,
and only one team offered him, and only two teams
discussed things with him. Now we've reached this point to
where you're like, all right, slow down. Here's Ron Rivera,
his former head coach who's now the head coach the

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Washington Redskins on six seven to the Score, sharing his
expectations for Cam in New England's just based on the
stuff that I've seen in some of the feel that
I've talked with. He's headed in the right direction. I mean,
he's probably about as healthy as it guests from what
I've seen on videos. So I think he I think
he's ready to the bus, Scott, I really do. I
mean I would never bet against the young man, that's
for sure. Um, except you weren't willing to bet on him, right, Like,

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let's be honest. I and and Ron Rivera was there
for when Cam Newton won the m v P. But
this like, I wouldn't bet against him. Well you kind
of well, okay, you didn't bet against him, but you
didn't bet on him because remember they traded for his
backup and you could say, well, it was about money.
The backup only made a couple hundred grand. That's what
Cam Newton signed for, right, That's that's like saying Pete bets,

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but member Pete rose. His defense for betting on baseball
was like, hey, I never bet against my team. Yes,
but there are plenty of days where you didn't bet
on your team. That's the same thing. Well, I only
bet on my team. Did you bet on your team
every game? NoHo had to be stupid. There's just games
we weren't gonna win. I wo't bet. I was like, okay,
So the signal to anybody who's aware at all who

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you bet with, if you didn't bet on your team
that day, you knew you were gonna lose again. Here
we go, So I get ironed. Mike Tannenbaum was former
GM of the Dolphins. He was on another network and
he was like the automatically the favorite. It's to win
the A f C East and like, okay, wait, slow down.

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The guy has been hurt for the past couple of years.
He hasn't made the team yet. Jared Stidham has more
than a leg up on him in terms of knowledge
of the system, of the verbiage of the players. And
it is this is a smart by by the Patriots,
smart bye by the Patriots. Brilliant you know this, this

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is this is the Patriots looking at a stock that
five years ago was through the roof, right, five years
ago was through the roof, and they're like, you know,
I didn't like the stock at its peak. I thought
it was a good stock, but it was a little
bit overvalued. But now it's a penny stock. This is

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this is like buying under Armour today, ironically a brand
that works with Cam Newton. This is buying under Armour.
You know, five years ago you're like, man under Armour,
they might take down Nike, someday they might do it.
They got staff and they got Cam you know, now
they got no tre Dame. They got some dudes. This

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I I like. And now you're like Man under Armers
in bad, bad shape. It's in bad shape, but they
still have a good brand. They're still an American brand.
They still have shaken up. You know, they rattled the
cages of the folks at Nike. Is it a stock
that will ever climb to the heights that it was before?
Will they ever be, you know, seen as on par

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with Adidas, not not yet Nike or whatever? Maybe? Probably not?
But can you make some money on that stock? Shore sure?
Which is kind of how the Patriots are looking at
Cam Newton? Will he ever be an m v P again? No? No,
I mean he's taking more hits than anybody in football

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over the past ten years. I don't care how big
you are. Can't be a battering ram like that. But
can you get a ton of value? Could you potentially
get a starting quarterback out of it? I don't see
what on I don't think that's crazy talk at all.
So we gotta we gotta slow down on the favors

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to win the AFC East. Uh, they replaced one m
v P with another, Like technically that's accurate, But I've
even heard, well, you look at Belichick, he's owing two
against Cam Newton. People are pointing to a play from
two thousand thirteen. It's two thousand twenty. Do you know
how different the world is in the last seven years.

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I don't so I'm not sitting here telling you he's
gonna stink or he's gonna get cut. But it is
the possibility. There is a possibility there that he does
get cut. There is the possibility that he doesn't see
the field. There is also the possibility that he's just okay,
or that he plays and he gets hurt, because that's
what's happened most of the two of the past three years.

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You know, it's an odd fit for how they've played.
We'll see if they'll change how they're playing and we'll
see if that even works, or we'll see if he
gets a chance to play that way. Is it Jared's
did him in the old offense and Cam Newton in
the new offense, and Cam Newton's in the new offense,
and they used him as a runner Willie hold up?
Because Carolina clearly said we don't think he can hold
up as a runner anymore. Again, I'm not telling you

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it won't work. But here we are a day and
a half into the Cam Newton news and he got
Ron Rivera just lying through his teeth. Oh, I wouldn't
bet against him. Wait, you traded for a Carolina Panther
quarterback and it was his backup, and you didn't have
to trade. You don't have to give up anything to
get Kim. You just wait, he's gonna get cut. Could

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offered him the Veterans minimum and gone about your day.
And I understand that having Dwayne Haskins, there's some delicacy
there because you have a guy who was a first
round draft pick and the owner wants to see see
him succeed. I get that, but there's never any discussion
about him joining the Redskins immediately. And also I'm actually
I don't actually think this is a smart move by

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Cam if you really think about it, The more risky
play was to wait and see which quarterback got hurt
and then hope he could be replaced a racement. Deshaun Watson,
Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Um, you know Dwayne Haskins if
he stinks or or he could have waited on New England.
Now getting with them and getting into a system and
integrated that that's that's a solid plan, but it's one

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where it better work because if it doesn't, it could
be really hard to catch on with your next team.
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at Gottlieb Show came up. Next. Ian Desmond has decided
to opt out of this Major League Baseball season. And look,
he penned a very very interesting, articulate and thoughtful note

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as to why. But the irony is he's actually completely
contradicting himself by sitting out this year. I'll explain next.
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Doug Olip Show Fox Sports Radio. So if you go
to social media, by the way, Bobby Valentine's gonna join
us at the top of next hour. If um, if
you go to social media, go to Instagram. Ian Desmond
had a really really interesting post. And what I wanna

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do is I want to have a discussion about this
with with the fellas and you can get in on
that as well. Eight seven seven Fox. So look, Ian
Desmond obviously Africa, he's black player. He plays for the
Colorado Rockies and he's really good. Um he's s thorty
four years old. So it's not his first trip around

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the diamond. He's a one home runs in his uh
in his Major League Baseball career, three time Silver Slugger,
two time All Star, Dude's legit player, legit player from
sarah Sota, lives in Sarasta and um, look, he comes
off playing last year with the Colorado Rockies, which probably

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on some level stinks for him because a good portion
of his career he spent playing for the Washington Nationals.
They finally win a World Series. He's in he's in Colorado.
Um but uh, look, he's a guy who comes off
a year which he had twenty home runs and sixty
five r b I in a hundred forty games. He
was still gonna play in Major League Baseball. His wife

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is pregnant, he's got four kids, and and and his
logic behind opting out to stay home was, hey, I
got four kids, one on the way. He got COVID
nineteen and and this is a big thing for him,
and I actually understand it. Um. He said recently, I

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took a drive to the little league fields I was
basically raised on here in Sarasota. They're not in great shape.
They look run down, neglected, When I saw cal Ripken
little league schedule attacked on the bulletin board, I walked
over to check it out. It was from two thousand fifteen.
The only thing shining and new from my eyes was
the uss S a banner travel ball showcases. So not

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so much baseball for all anymore as baseball for a
hall who can afford it. I know it sounds simple
to say a major league baseball player that these fields
were important in shaping my life, But I don't mean
my career. Mhm um. These fields where I learned a
game that I've played one thousand, four hundred seventy eight times,

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the major league level that I started on when I
was ten, eleven, twelve years old. That's exactly how um
how old. Uh. He's talking about a kid who has
ended up uh getting a chance to play in Major
League baseball. Kid named Antoine. He couldn't read, He could
barely say his A, B. C's. One morning, his mom
was shuffling Antoine and her siblings off to their aunt's

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house at four am so she could work. They opened
the door and a man's stabbed to death on the ground,
so no sleep. Traumatized by the murder, literally outside their
door eating who knows what for lunch they had up
to school and they're expected to form in the classroom.
He goes on to talk about how there's only eight
percent but black players um and only to African American

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general African American managers, one black general manager, no black
majority team owners. Uh. This kid, Antoine was twelve years
old when he started going to National's Youth Baseball Academy.
That's when it started existing in his universe. We got
him a tutor, he got another programs, he learned how

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to read. He was on the right track. He died
in his eighteen shot thirty one times in d C.
A sixteen year old kid was just arrested for his murder.
I'm like Ian Desmond, you guys got to read. This
post is long, and it's really really interesting. And so
he's gonna take the year off. Still wants to play baseball,

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he wants to be around his kids, and he wants
to help Sarah Sota little late. And I commend him
for it, but I have to ask the other question,
which is, you know kids emulate and and look, this
is a hard one because I can't it's it's hard
to find what the absolute positive answer to why the

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numbers for uh black baseball players are so down right.
I mean, look, I think a lot of things about baseball,
but if baseball, if you can hit a baseball, if
you can throw a baseball, and no one's ever cared
if you're Latin, no one's ever cared what other country
you come from with color skin is? This is about

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the the amount of participation and access to it for
young black youth. Is there a there's there a lack
of cool factor, sure, right, Michael Jordan's to Alan Iverson,
to Penny Hardaway, to Shock, to staff, to James Harden too,

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you know Lebron James Obviously basketball players are. It's it's cooler, right.
But but but that that could only be but part
of the reason that so many all kids, white kids,
black as a matter, are drawn to basketball is the
cool factor, of the fun factors, constant action. But you know,

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we emulate the people we see do it, right? We emulate,
don't you? You? Obviously you have a favorite player growing up,
like a guy you might have, you know, Mike, if
you're a Jordan guy, you're a Lebron guy, You're a
Penny guy, You're a great, he got whatever you are.
But then there was usually somebody who you felt particularly

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drawn to, maybe because he was from your area, but
or maybe more likely because he might look like you.
You know, look, I started playing basketball. My dad was
a basketball coach, just kind of what we did. But
I was my idols in the sport look like me,
John Stockton, Mark Price, Bobby Hurley. That doesn't mean like

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Sherman Douglas was a guy that I'm trying to model
my game after some but you know, you're watching guys
that look like you, that feel like that's what I'm
gonna look like when I grow up. I can do
what you can do it. It's the same thing that
black people have told you about Obama, Like you don't
understand unless you're black, to see a black man as
the president of the most powerful man in the free
world like that is a that that should change your

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perspective on what's possible. So I guess here's my question
for you and Desmond. I fully understand that you are
torn and you want to protect your kids and you
want to help the future, It could you make the
argument that you're actually hurting the very population you want
to help by staying home. And here's why that's you're

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taking away one more black face from baseball. Right, if
it's only eight percent ballplayers, that percented shrinks the second
that he Ian Desmond, who's been a terrific player for
a long time in Major League baseball, it takes him
away from that. And and again I am not telling
you I have the answer, and I'm not telling you
that what he's doing is a bad thing. I think

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and some NBA players choosing in the middle of their
careers to not go play and coming up with all
kind of cockamami excuses that I think. I feel like
it's a little different than a guy with four and
one on the way. And he there's a thoughtfulness to this,
get it. But my my issue is only in when
you take a breath and you try and cut the

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emotion out of an emotional, thoughtful piece. It's okay, you're right,
you know, the violence in our cities is terrible. The
access to baseball is it's just too expensive a sport
for anybody white, black, or what or otherwise in our country.

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Right other countries, you don't they you don't seem to
need it. And we've established academies you know all these
baseball teams have academies in these countries so that they
can find the best. But I don't know if Vian
Desmond is actually hurting the very thing he wants to help.
If this is the reason that he's sitting out, be
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Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Okay,
so Bier, give me your thought. Like I listen, I
ready Ian Desmond's post. I understand it, I respect it.
But if if one of his goals is to change
young men's lives and give them baseball, um, I love it.
Like if he's just gonna go and I love it,

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and I love that he's gonna be hands on instead
of just writing a check. But I would also tell
you that one of the things missing in baseball, as
he pointed out, is the numbers of black players, and
by not playing, that makes the numbers even worse. And
you you give people somebody they can they can idolize,
they can emulate, they can look to. Um. What are
your thoughts on Desmond's logic and whether or not it

(22:17):
actually plays out the way he thinks he wants to. Yeah,
I think, like at a specific level, like in Sarah Sota,
if he's the guy there, he obviously has an effect.
He has an effect on kids because he's developing a
personal relationship. Um. I I do believe that being a
major league baseball player, you know, carries a huge amount

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of weight when you are meeting kids and trying to
get them involved. I just, yeah, I'm kind of with
you at the point of I respect everything he's saying,
but I think being in the game helps you helps
more of the issue than being out of the game. Yeah,
I also like, look, um, knowledge and respect is important.

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But you know, a good portion of the fight is
under is due to we just want equal opportunity, right,
that's all anybody's look, I just want a fair chance. Um,
But you know the best way to do so is
with resources, and the best way to do so is uh,
with with guys who you can look up to. But

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I just I don't understand that like thirty million people
out of work, you've got a chance. And this is
maybe more basketball, like you can go and do your
job in in very short order, Like you're not gone
half the year, You're you're You're just not I mean
all of these things. I respect that he wants to
run this little league stuff, and some Little League seasons

(23:43):
have been pushed to summer, although I think the idea
that Sarah, so are they gonna play in the heat
of summer? They're gonna play nine games? I don't know.
But you mean to tell me that you're only gone
for was it a couple of months? You know? I
don't know? And and he's thirty five. Now you're like
a year or two years away from shutting it down. Anyway,
when you can run the Little League, do you're blue

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in the face afterwards, like you have a small window?
I just I kind of think it's counter to the
reality of of how you can really help. But we'll
see when maybe maybe this becomes his his lifelong project,
and maybe he decides not come back to baseball and
he just gets such so much joy. He has enough money,
it doesn't matter music. What do you think? Yeah? I

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think the difficult thing right now is we probably don't
have all of the answers to exactly what he's planning
to do right so, like right now, I guess one
of the things that popped into my mind is he's
and I'm not trying to be hyper critical of him.
But he's worried about going to play baseball because of

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the coronavirus due to his family, what is he then
able to do in a hands on fashion to help kids?
In Sarah Soda, it's sort of that you're exposing yourself
to the same Dane rus right, So like, if it's
not I'm scared of the Rhona, only I'm not. Still
like that's why that that that that whole was scared
of their own of thing is is bunk. It just

(25:09):
is if you're scared of the owner, then you're gonna
have to stay lockdown all summer. Yeah, that's you're that's
what you're saying. And if you're really gonna help in
Little League, all right, so all these you know, if
you become a kid, you know it's it's you know
the thing it's allegedly spreads to every family. Yeah. Right,
So so the the idea that he is trying to
take time away from baseball to help the kids, well

(25:31):
that's great, and whatever plan he has to try and
do that, that's awesome. But if he's then trying to
do it hands on, so he can't be a part
of Basics like it's not adding up in my head.
So I think his heart is clearly in the right place.
I think it's gonna be you know, six months from
now or if he ever gets back into baseball before

(25:51):
we know, if the execution of it actually lines up
with what his intentions are. Hmm, if if he said
if if he just says, look, we're only playing sixty games.
I've noticed, uh, some shortcomings and where I started to
play baseball. I think my time over these two months
can be better utilized there than on the baseball field.

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Would that have a would you take that better? That's
kind of what he said though a little bit right?
You know, Yeah, I guess I I it would make
more sense to me. Yeah, it would make more sense
to me if he said what Dan had said. Um,
and I think like when we you know, this all
kind of started to not playing was the Kyrie Irving

(26:34):
thing you know of him? And now you know, we
look back. Okay, why did a week before you vote
for it? And do you just not want to go
to Orlando? What are you doing for your personal reasons?
That we had the Fred VanVleet comments yesterday about yeah,
we shouldn't play, but this is so you've got like
a wide ranging, you know, view of why athletes are
deciding to play or deciding not to play. And it's

(26:57):
such a great area in all of this. It's I
just I don't know, maybe we're just looking at it
as to you know. I mean, was set to make
whatever the pro rated cut salary of fifteen million dollars. Like,
I don't know, man, what what is better for the
youth of Sarasota if you get the program up and running.

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I mean, like, look, if you gave a million dollars
of the fifty and I don't want you don't like
your India's Desmond Dude, you give a thousand dollars, that's
a thousand dollars more than I would give I'm given
to Little League, Okay, but you give it a thousand dollars. Okay.
But I mean he could easily wouldn't more be accomplished
if he kept playing in baseball. I mean, he's got

(27:43):
two years left on this deal, um, and this year
was spent supposed to be fifteen million, even if he
was only going to take home ten million dollars, like
ten millions more than zero last time I checked. You
can do a whole hell of a lot more good.
But the money. I understand that being hands on and
turning down that money to go, you know, be, be

(28:06):
a better human being and make your world a better place.
I get it, I do, but uh, I also see
the other side to it. This is the guy that
that's so far in his career has made seventies six
point five million dollars. You've got a chance to make
ten million more. I think you can do a hell
of a lot more good and keep playing and be

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somebody who Hey, I started that, Sarah, so the little
league back up. I fired up and put a bunch
of money into it. Now I'm playing when I'm done.
That's gonna be my sole focus as well as my family. Yeah,
I don't the run of thing I just comes across.
Really it's hard for me to understand the no athlete
has actually gotten six sick like, not that I wish

(28:50):
that upon anybody, but show me the numbers that say
that athletes are actually at risk. And as as Ryan
Music pointed out, if you're gonn to go coaching a
little league, you're bringing in all those families and you're
not you don't have the same you know, medical experts
around you as you do when you're a baseball player.
I think I do think it's more than of just

(29:11):
being individually sick, though. I think that's that's part of
the part. I mean, the meaning of deciding if you
want to play or not, of you getting sick, isn't
You're not making the decision for yourself, You're making the
decision for all the people that are around you. Of
of so, if so, if Ian Desmond does get COVID nineteen, like,

(29:34):
it's not that gee, I hope I feel better or
not get seriously sick. It's like I can't be around
anybody else with people who maybe I would need to
to help or take care of. And if I am that,
I'm putting them in danger. Yes, But if you're going
to be working, and this is what Ryan was talking
about though, Dan, if you're working with a little league,
you're putting you, You're putting people in just as much

(29:54):
danger that all your all, your your family, your friends
or whatever. And and oh yeah, by the way, you
don't have the medical care. You're not getting constantly tested
the way you would in major league baseball. Yeah, I
just think that you put it in a way of Hey,
young guys don't get sick, and in addition to the
fact that kids don't and kids don't stick don't get sick. Yeah,

(30:14):
but it's I don't think it's all about just about
their personal health. I think it's also about the other
people in their lives, which just goes to the Ryan
Zimmerman sort of situation of the of his mother who's
ill and in those sort of things, give us short
thoughts at Gottlieb Show or eight seven, seven, nine nine
Fox coming up next. He might be the best player
in his position and he's looking to make a comeback.

(30:36):
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We got a really good show for you. We got
interesting things upcoming. Let's get to the game. This is
game time side on the Doug Gottlieb Show, I mentioned

(31:24):
Dan Byron. He appears what he got done the game
today is all right. You may have heard the story
that I mentioned in one of our reports about rumors
reports at the Buccaneers and Antonio Brown could be a fit.
Uh the Athletics. Michael Lombardi has been on the show.
A bunch said that the sides of at least spoken

(31:45):
ESPN coming out and sang Tampa does not have any
interest in Antonio Brown. Doug rank the top three fits
for Antonio Brown if he were to come back to
the National Football League. I would say this, okay, Uh,
top three fits, top three fits, top three fits. No.

(32:07):
I I think the Seahawks, for one. I'm trying to think.
I would say the Rams are three right, Rams are
three one. Um. I don't think Sean McFee particularly cares,
you know, about any year, and they've taken guys on
short term deals in the past, and they need somebody
to help Jared goff out because I'm you know, I

(32:27):
think he can make Jared Gofflick really really good. Uh.
Seattle would be my number one. I'm trying to think
of who who else? Um, I think Houston would make
a bunch of sense. I got a lot of guys
there now they do all I understand all those guys
are you know, Antonio Brown will be better than everybody
they had, and you know it would be on him

(32:49):
to produce, and all of their guys are like injury prone.
He's not necessarily injury prone. He just has other issues.
Seattle's one, Pete Carroll shown he can take on these
types of personalities. The issue is going to be whoever
signs him. You don't know if the NFL is going
to suspend him. Yeah, it's a big question. That's a
big question by Antonio Brown and the Buccaneers. Yeah, a

(33:11):
bunch of a bunch of interesting reports over the last
twenty four hours or so. Doug rank who was most
likely to start at quarterback for the Patriots week one?
Uh okay, I would say Brian Hoyer three, Cam Newton
to chareds did him one? Mm hmm? Alright? Ranked the

(33:35):
best numbers for a quarterback to where something that you know,
Cam Newton's gonna have to figure out, well, Cam new
was gonna wear one, right, everybody think he's gonna be one.
I believe so. But I would say, I I love seven.
Seven was Joe Dhisman and John Elway, Right, I'll go
seven as number three. I go four because Brett fars

(34:03):
and he just felt like a quarterback man, just a quarterback.
And I'm gonna go twelve. Twelve is number one Aaron Rodgers,
Tom Brady and there have been played. I was surprised.
I thought maybe sixteen could make it, um, you know, Montana, Montana.
But four and seven to me are really like the

(34:24):
only single digits that I think work like. I even
think that three looks a little weird on Russell Wilson.
Uh too. I'm not a huge fan of Matt Ryan.
I like the double digit quarterback numbers. I don't know,
maybe that's just the old until they used to be
they I think they, you know, they they've always had
this limitation on what numbers you can have based upon position,

(34:44):
and one is definitely a century creation. I would have
to say, I'm trying to think, but you know, there
aren't a lot of fifteens at quarterback. You know, there's
like that's a that's a team number, you know, thirteen, Marino,
and you mentioned twelve being number one, Bernie Kosar nineteen,
Peyton Manning. All right, I'll could go on and on.

(35:04):
All right. Sorry, the news earlier Doug that Shoheyotani will
be a two way player for the Angels when the
season begins in July. Rank your favorite Angels of all time?
Oh oh um, favorite Angels of all time? Okay, well,

(35:24):
I mean Trout's number one, and it's not really close, right. Uh.
I would love to put Bobby Gritch on this list,
but I will not. I just love the name Bobby Gritch. Uh.
Let's see here. Why music? What's you guys? Help me out? Why?
Why am I forgetting um? Last name is the p

(35:45):
He was a closer when they won the World Series.
Troy Perceval. I gotta love track Perceval. Troy personal was awesome.
And Jim Abbott my number one, my number two, so
Troy Perceval three. Jim Abbott, who I snuck into the
Angels lock for him to get his autograph. I was
about to get arrested, like I was like eleven years old,
and he saved me from getting arrested and signed a

(36:06):
different picture he had in his locker. Plus he was
a one armed picture who threw a no hitter when
he's with the Yankees. Yeah, Jim Abbott's number two. And
then and then I don't think we've ever heard that story. Yeah, no,
I don't think so, I don't. I can tell him
when we Yeah, and uh, well we'll wrap up with
this because I'm curious about the story. Uh, Dame Lillard

(36:29):
gonna be on the cover of NBA two K one.
There's gonna be a couple of other alternate covers released
later this week, but but Dame is gonna be the
main figure. Rank your three favorite sports video games of
all time? I mean, okay, um, Blades of Steel number three.

(36:52):
Number two is uh, I mean any Madden. I mean,
I know it's the series, but I gotta I'll go back. Um,
and number one is Double Dribble, Double Dribble. I was
unbeatable and double dribble. My brother just reminded me of
how I used to there's a spot where you could
hit a bank three all the time. All right, that's

(37:13):
game time. This is game time on the Duck Gottlieb Show.
So music. If I not told the story yet, definitely not.
This will be the first time. Okay, So I grew
up in in the city of Orange in California, Okay, Orange,
butts um Anaheim. And from my from the roof of

(37:36):
my house, the roof of my house, you could you
could see the fireworks at the Big A or the
fireworks at Disneyland. So it's about a ten minute drive away.
And in eighty nine, I was thirteen years old and
I was a huge not just baseball fan, but baseball
card collector. And I used to, you know, some nights

(37:58):
in the middle of summer my especially early and summer
before the basketball camps and stuff cranked up, I would
or or in late spring, there's five dollars you get
in the family section and then you know you're a kid.
You can just kind of sneak down. And sometimes I
go with a friend. Sometimes I go by myself. And
then when the game was over, you go to pay phone.
You'd call, you know, collect and then they'd hang up

(38:21):
instead of accepting that was the word that you needed
to come get picked up. So I get to the
game early, I get some autographs. I sit out there
and left field, hope to get a ball, sometimes to
stay the whole game. Sometimes I wouldn't. And one time
a game went really quick and I'm walking out, and
I realized that the ushers, who are rusher and people
out like they used to have these big columns um
in the old big a and you could I was like,

(38:43):
if I just hid behind this column, nobody would see
me in the usher would walk right by. And then
they don't come back, like once they see everybody's gone,
like they're done. They go home for the night to
my brother and sister. When I was in earlier younger,
they used to work in concessions and I'm stateium and
and so I seeing how they clamped. So I don't know.
One game, I was like, man, if I ever come
back and I'm gonna stay for a game, I want

(39:05):
to see if I can sneak down. So sure enough,
they're playing the Brewers um and I hide behind a
column and I hop over the railing and I go
into the Brewers dugout and there's just like series of
tunnels and eventually takes me over to the Angels clubhouse
and I walk in there and it's like, I mean,

(39:26):
there's all this stuff everywhere, and I wanted to grab
all this stuff, but instead I had a Beckett monthly
that was the that was the Collector's magazine, and Jim
Abbott was on the cover and I walked back to
Jim Abbot. I was like, Mr Abbott, would you sign
my hard And He's like sure, kid, He's like, what
is this. Here's a better picture. Security was about to
get me so and stay. He's like no, no no, no,
he's okay, he's just getting a picture. And then he's going,

(39:46):
guys can take him out there. So there was a
glass doors in the front of the old Big A
where the players would walk out of I was escorted out.
They just walk behind me, two guys, you know, henchmen
in suits. But all of the kids I knew. I
didn't only know who they were, but we're all like
credit card collectors. They were all thought I was God
that day. That's the day I stuck into the Angels Clubhouse.

(40:07):
All right. Bobby Valentine joins us next in The Doug
Gotlip Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio WAP what uf Doug Gottlip Show, Fox Sports radio. Um,
we're gonna catch up with Bobby Valentine in a second.
Of course, he's a longtime manager in Major League baseball.

(40:31):
He's currently the athletic director at Sacred Heart University, which
is in Connecticut. Originally from Connecticut. Of course, Uh, a player,
out fielder, a second baseman, and then became a manager.
Was an outstanding broadcasters. I live live quite the life
in baseball, and Bobby VI will join us in a second.

(40:52):
Mary managed the Rangers, the Mets, and the most recently
the Red Sox, so we'll get him in a second.
I just I'm fascinated by a Major League baseball some
of these guys opting out. I just, look, you're allowed
to do this. You're absolutely allowed to do this. And
I do understand some of these guys who are trying

(41:13):
to make a difference in their community, and Desmond specifically.
It's like, look, I grew up playing Sarah to the
little league, and that that that field is run down. Now.
The other point that he points out, which is very interesting,
and of course I have a son who plays as well,
which is Um, you know, club baseball is the is

(41:33):
the path, and you're talking club baseball. It's about. It's
a lot like AU basketball. I would say the differences
club baseball is not only prohibitbly expensive, but between the
glove and I mean, I don't know if you guys
know which bats cost the crazy the good bats. That's
not even counting club feast. So even if you're able
to find a club that you know, if you're I

(41:56):
mean like, look, it's this, it becomes a suburban sport.
It's the same same thing happens to Sucker where one
you gotta go all into you gotta be playing a
club in three you know, in addition to their just
fees galore. Now basketball that there can still be I mean,
it can get pricey. I run a basketball program, but
and I would suspect people do this in soccer and

(42:18):
in baseball. I don't know it for a fact because
nobody's ever offered me a discount. But you know, I
tell families all the time, like, look, this is this
is not a business, but it's not a charity. But
if you need some help, you just tell me and
you will work it out. Do whatever you can do.
Will will work it out. But I also don't really understand, like,

(42:38):
if you're in Desman, you're set to make whatever the
pro rated money is, ten million out of fifteen million, Like,
wouldn't you be better off doing that? Would be better
doing nothing doing that? And and I'm I'm fully respectful
of the fears that people have in regards to COVID nineteen.
Things are shutting back down in places lie Carizona and

(43:01):
Nevada where they had been opened up quicker than other places.
On the on the other hand, um, thankfully, the death
rate is exceptionally low and getting lower. The hospitalization rate
is low and getting lower. So what what actually are
we dealing with? And with most of the world being

(43:22):
opened up? Is it fair to assume that you're not
coming from a sterile environment going to baseball, You're coming
from an open environment. Going to baseball. You're probably in
a much more confined, safer environment if you're playing in
your sport in whatever form bubble baseball has. And then
how do you how do you put together a team?
Like that's really interesting, you know, because baseball is usually

(43:46):
two very different styles of composition. There's the team for
a HUNTERD sixty two, and then there's the team for
the playoffs. The playoffs used to be about if you
have two grade stars, you got a closure, You're good
now the playoffs. So much of it is about, yeah,
you want to have good starters, but you gotta have
really good middle relief, a bunch of different middle relievers.
And that's really the trend with baseball is you know,

(44:09):
put a bunch of money in your bullpen. But now
does this season become about the depth of starters that
you have and the creativity kind of gene you have
in terms of figuring out the math equation for how
many innings a guy can pitch? And you know there's
a build up, You've got sixty games in seventy days.

(44:30):
What's gonna happen when they have rainouts, which are inevitable
in baseball. I don't it's I I can't wait to
see it. But I'm interested by it. I'm really really
interested by it. All Right, we'll get by Valentine in
a moment, but I'm I continue to look at at you.

(44:54):
Now you have the Nuggets shutting their facility down. You
have the Nets who half of their team is out
either because of opting out or they're out because they've
contracted coronavirus. I guess somebody would have to explain to me,
like the DeAndre Jordan thing as well, is he at
risk of lung damage? Is he concerned about spreading it?

(45:17):
Because if he tested positive, then he should be under
quarantine fourteen days, get tested again, and if he's fine,
then he's good to go. We have guys canceling before
they ever even have any chance to get down there
or a chance to be quarantine. Like in many ways,
getting it now is the easier way if you can
overcome it in the in that two week period. But

(45:40):
it's almost like these guys are looking for a reason
to not go as opposed to looking for a reason
to go. And maybe it's because they made so much
money that to them it's not worth it. But haven't
they made so much money because they think they love
playing basketball and they'll do anything it takes to play
basketball or anything it takes to make all that money
for the season, you know? I mean, like the idea

(46:06):
that the bubble is somehow a more dangerous place is
bizarre considering like DeAndre Jordan tested positive, He's not in
the bubble, right? Who was it? Who was? Who was
who was playing tennis without a mask? And um, what's

(46:26):
his name? From Chicago? That went to do Jabari Parker,
like Jabarie Parker got it. Maybe he was playing tennis,
maybe he was hanging out Spencer. You know, like what
does Spencer? Didn't he do? What? All these guys who
test positive, they tested positive outside of the bubble, like
we we've we've convinced ourselves and somehow being inside the
bubble is a dangerous thing, whereas outside the bubble is
clearly more dangerous or as dangerous unless you're gonna lock

(46:51):
yourself down and commit to hey for the next three months,
I'm gonna stay in my house. I'm never gonna come out. Then,
you know, you're putting up to everybody else's germs. And
the difference is there's a finite number of people inside
that bubble. The medical care is far better, you're constantly
tested and you don't have to come out of pocket
for it. And oh yeah, by the way, you get

(47:13):
to work when everyone else, you know, and most of
the world is not working. Now, we talked about privilege
all the time. There is a certain athletes privilege. There's
a disconnect there because these guys they can opt out
and still not baseball, but basketbay can still get paid.
Do you think anybody has that in the real world. Hey, listen,
we're spending all this money to create a really safe

(47:36):
environment you can come back to work. How do you
think it would work? I was like, Nah, can't do it,
Scott Shapiro, I'm safe for at home, Like, all right,
we'll bring the unit into your house now. I still
don't feel like it that. That doesn't work for anybody.
You're under contract to play a sport like nobody forced
you to sign it. It's a great job. Is there

(47:58):
a downside? Yeah? To play in the NBA are usually
sometimes you're gonna play if you're good on Christmas Day.
In this particular case, you're gonna have to go to
bubble for three months potentially, And if you're there for
three months, that means you're playing an NBA championship. Again,
there's upside to all these downsides. So I think there's
a bit of a disconnect between reality and where these

(48:19):
some of these guys are living. Coming up next, there's
a documentary last night about my college coach, Eddie Sutton.
I thought the most powerful thing had nothing to do
with basketball. I'll share with you next. Be sure to
catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays
at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. This is the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right, explain

(48:42):
to me that that weird were in theory are getting
Bobby Valentine. I just want to make sure he was
supposed to join us in the first hour, but he
was on a very important zoom call. Got it? Then, uh,
last segment, he was supposed to join us, and he
hauled in very quickly and said I need to call
you back. And now last word we had is he

(49:05):
should be good to go at five pm Eastern, two
pm Pacific. Very cool, excellent. I'm good with that, all right.
I mean, like, look, it's not one of those eating ghosts,
right we have heard from him, Yes, we have. We
have absolutely heard from him. So that's that's all good.
Eight to the g Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. And I am on this. I'm on a

(49:27):
group chat with my buddies I play with in college.
And it wanted is vicious and two it ends up.
You look down. You got like forty messages and you're like,
you know, I love you guys, but I got stuff
I gotta do. Anyway, I'm sure ever, he's not in
your head. You've got in a group chat that you
don't want to bow out of, but you don't unnecessarily
waste all your time with um. I wondered about something,

(49:52):
did you guys? See there's a tweet today where Julian
Edelman tweeted out you know that there. I guess he
and Cam Newton are gonna work out together, you know,
and Cam Newton has a one jersey on it's obviously
photos shopped in Tom Brady, I'll always be your number one,
he tweets in as well. And I wonder, look, Cam

(50:14):
and I I didn't love the videos. And here's what
you're gonna hear from people, be like, man, had he
not put out those videos, who would have thought that
he was gonna want to play? And I'm sure the
Patriots are. I think what he wanted to show was, hey,
I'm all this time, I'm working towards getting back and
working towards being ready. I don't necessarily think he needed to.

(50:38):
You can send those videos. You don't have to put
it on social media for It's like there's a there
was a tweet out there perfectly okay with working out
and not filming it, but if you want teams to
see it, your agent can send it to teams whenever
you want. And my thing has always will always be like, look,
you can put out those videos and you got music

(50:58):
to it, and it's like your graph, it's like artwork.
You know, it's all edited up. But the questions about
Cam Newton are about his arm, the health of the shoulder,
which obviously can't find out until you have a physical
until he actually throws. And then too his throwing motion
and will the arm hold up throwing that motion when
he has pads on, and all the different throws you

(51:19):
can make, And all we're just seeing is, hey, he's
still at least he still doesn't want to play football,
Like this was the difference between Cam and Kaepernick. When
Kaepernick was out of league. We didn't hear from him,
We didn't see from him. You know, the only time
I've seen him throw a football was that joke of
a workout last year. But being a YouTube star does
not make an And and if you want to say

(51:40):
that it worked, where the Patriots offered him a contract,
it's a minimum contract and nobody else offered him one,
So did it work? But do you really think Bill
Belichick is like, you know, I wasn't thinking about Cam Newton,
but then I was. I was on Twitter, I was
on Instagram, and I followed my boy Cam Newton, and
turns out he can really still throw football. Sign him. Like,

(52:02):
do you think that's how it works? Do you think
that's how it works? I don't, um, But but Brady
Tom Brady did Tom Versus Time, and it was Brady's
beginning of trying to break free from the whole Patriot
away stuff. But even that was pretty respectful and it

(52:22):
was a little bit of a look behind the curtain.
When you're making a million dollars a year, you're trying
to make the club. I don't know if you want
to be a YouTube star anymore. Like I'm guessing Belichick
didn't love Tom Versus Time anyway, viewed it as some

(52:43):
form of distraction. And I mean, look, they're not gonna
have there's gonna be no YouTube village of any of
his stuff with the Patriots. I'm talking about talking about
Cam Newton. But I would say, at some point, and
you like, he's working out today with you and lit him,
and it's at some point Edelman will pull him in
and go like, hey, here's the deal. Okay, if you
make it, we could be pretty good. These guys can

(53:03):
really coach. The defense is still pretty good. If you
may get your next contract, you'll get back to your
usual level or somewhere in the you know, in the
eight eight figures sort of range. But fighting with the
old man over YouTube and Instagram and and your Twitter
and your shoes and what you wear, Like, I don't
think they'll care what he wears, but I do think

(53:25):
they'll care how much he shows shows behind the curtain.
That is not the Patriot way. And you have to
start to wonder at some point. You have to start
to wonder at some point, like, all right, is are
they gonna say something to Cam because we can say
the eras have changed, things are different, but are they
really Patriots are still the Patriots? Don't believe me. They

(53:45):
just signed a former m v P to a one
million dollar contract. That's Patriot football and on one and
it's it's always different when you're a quarterback. We hear
people say all the time, we'll Rob gon kelsk you
this that, like, dude, quarterback is different. They just star,
you know, way more responsibility. Everything is as under a microscope.

(54:06):
You're trying to replace Tom Brady, learn a new offense. Learning, Like,
the last thing we need is the camera that that
doesn't that does that helps us win zero football games.
And there's a reason they're never on hard knocks just
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(54:28):
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Chris Mannix joins us from Sports Illustrated. Mannix, what do
you make of of the Brooklyn Nets, Well, I'm not
exactly sure who from the Brooklyn Nets will be traveling
down to Orlando at this point. Um, you know, I

(54:51):
I don't think Spencer dim Witty is going to ultimately
be a part of it at all. I don't know
if officially announced that yet, but that's the the inclination
I'm getting. Um, obviously DeAndre Jordan's is out, and I
don't know. I mean, look, there's motivation. I'm sure you've
talked about this on some level, but like if they
don't make the playoffs, they get to keep their first
round draft pick. So if they, you know, slide out

(55:13):
of the postseason, I think there'd be a lot of
people in Brooklyn perfectly happy with with that. So I
think that's uh, you know that that has to be
factored in here. You think about what the Nets are
gonna look like over the next month or so. Sex
Vaughan was like, man, I'm trying to keep his job here. Yeah,
it does too, I think. You know, again, this was

(55:34):
all like three months ago, so god knows what's changed
in the minds of ownership there since then. But I
do think there was a desire in the Nets front
office for Jacques Vaughan to finish the season and do
enough to keep the job. I mean there was There's
a lot of people in Brooklyn that have incredible respect
for Jack Vaughan. When when Kenny Atkinson was new to

(55:55):
the job, I mean, it was Jack Vaughan that was
a strong voice in his ear as a former head coach,
kind of showing him the ropes along the way, And
it's been a big part of that staff. So I think,
you know, there are people in that's front office. I
know that, and hope Jock Vonka do enough to keep
the job now, Um, it's certainly gonna be difficult for
for that to happen. I I agree, I agree, I mean,

(56:16):
I just how does the I mean the league is
just they gotta be just Besides, here's what I understand.
I get when you test positive for the coronavirus. But
but the idea is like fourteen days of quarantine, you're
you should be good to go, right and and if
if people are concerned about well, you know, you get
inside the bubble, you could get it like these guys

(56:37):
have it outside the bubble, but there's there's no bubble
to the outside world anymore. You actually are safer once
you get down there. Yeah. And I haven't followed up
on the specific situation with Jordan's and din Witty, but
you know, by bowing out because of the coronavirus um
and being infected by it, it is a way to

(56:59):
stay off, you know, stay out of all this and
you know, keep your money. You know, some of the
guys that are filing out, you know, at least for
right now, you know, the presumption is they're not going
to get paid, whether it's Avery Bradley or Trevor reads A.
I ultimately dug and not to change the question in
the answer here, but I ultimately think that everybody's gonna
wind up getting paid because it's so hard to take

(57:22):
money away from players that don't play on the playoff
teams and give it to guys who are not playing,
you know, right now, not playing basketball, not reporting down
to Orlando. But it is a fact that if there's
a healthy related reason that you can't go to Orlando,
you are going to be able to get paid and
get all your money. So that's that's something to think
about when when factory and some of these decisions Chris

(57:45):
mannocks join us and the Doug Outleap Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Lakers are going to add JR. Smith and
yet they lose Avery Bradley. Are the Lakers done adding?
I think for now they're done adding because the way
it was was explained to me, and I believe this
going in. I mean that j R. Smith was, you know,

(58:07):
break glass in case of emergency there. I mean, they
feel like they've got pretty solid depths in that backcourt.
You know, Danny Green, who hasn't been great this year,
but it's been a great playoff performer in years past,
called Will Pope has got the confidence of Lebron Alex Caruso.
I mean, you know this, but like, look look at
the numbers out of crucial has with Lebron's I think

(58:27):
he has the highest plus minus of any player with
Lebron um you know, on anybody on that roster. He's
really good partically playing with him. So you bring j R.
In and they worked him out before. Deon Waiters part
of that mix too. I mean, I think they're they're
comfortable with with what they have right now. There's no
doubt like Avery Bradley is a crushing loss. I I

(58:48):
wrote this when they signed Avery Bradley. I love Avery Bradley.
I think he gets the bat raps sometimes and he
did have a rough goal with the Clippers, But the
guy defends multiple positions, he can shoot the reasonably well,
is a backup ball handler when you need him. I
mean that that guy was playing what minutes per game,
was having his best month in the month of March

(59:09):
when he went out. So I mean it's a body
blow for that team. But I just think the Lakers
feel like they're they're at the point where anybody they
bring in is just in case another injury or another
defection happens, Doug Otlib show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I agree with you. Okay, what about Lou Williams. What
are you hearing about the like because that would be

(59:29):
the tip for tat right is we don't know if
Lou Williams will go. Uh Ultimately, what do you think
happens with the Clippers? Yeah, I mean, look, if Lou
Williams isn't available, that's that's a bigger loss, I think
than every brand. But just because Lou Williams is such
an instrumental part of their bench scoring that that is

(59:50):
a tough one to overcome on. I don't know. I mean,
like I guess I just see when it actually happened,
he decides if he's not gonna play. But for for
that would be I think that would be the equivalent
or worse of the loss of a different kind of loss,
because Lou Williams would bring much defensively, but what he
does offensively, I mean he goes without saying the guy's

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a multi time six man winner. I mean he's he's
as good as they get to say at the back
of scoring point card position. Doug, O leave the show,
You're unfo Okay, So then you have like the Bucks
who are out there laying you know, laying in wait.
This is this is huge. How important is it for
the Bucks to perform well? Because we know what's coming
this this offseason is the super Max contract that is

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without any question, going to be offered to Janice. He
doesn't have to accept it. But how important is at
least an NBA Finals appearance to the Bucks. I think
it's really important. And I don't think anything sane from
the perception we had going into all this that Milwaukee
had to have a great playoffs and great playoffs you know,

(01:00:54):
probably was defined as a trip to the finals to
get Janice to sign long term. Now things have obviously
seems a little bit this whole you know, the pandemic
playoffs are a little bit different, and you know there's
one of the things you have to factor in your Yannice.
They want to stay in Milwaukee, but because of the
uncertainty of the economic landscape moving forward, there might be

(01:01:14):
financial reasons not to sign that that long term extension
right now. I mean it's there's a lot of of
of moving that could happen with that that salary cap
and and the collective bargaining agreement in the next year.
That could could make it just smarter to sit back
and and wait for it. And that's something I think
with it makes even more sense for Janice right now.

(01:01:35):
So one way the other does he could decide not
to not to sign there. I will say this, it's
going to be I mean, I'm I'm tendively planning on
going down trying to get into the bubble. That's go
to my plan at this moment. It's I almost want
to sit in the Bucks hotel because they're sharing the
hotel with Toronto and Miami, like two teams that are

(01:01:56):
going to make, you know, an incredible run at Nice
in the in the coming year. Like that's gonna be
the one CM called it the Temple of Tampering there
where you have guys maybe recruiting Younis throughout the course
of that playoff. That is almost a sidelight to all this,
you know, those three teams sharing one hotel. Yeah. The
only issue I have with with with not sign the

(01:02:18):
contract is there could be another side to the financial stuff.
Right like when we come back online, we don't know
when you'll be able to get people into arenas and
once they get into arenas. You know, the economy has
to have a massive turnaround for people to the expectations
that people in corporations are even gonna buy seats. M hm, no,

(01:02:38):
I get it. Um Okay, Look, and he could sign
that contract. All I'm saying is that things have changed
so much that we don't know, you know, could the
end be could collected bargain going to be reopened next
year if it looks like in you know, September October,
that there's no chance to have fans in buildings throughout season.

(01:02:58):
There's just a lot of unknown of this that that
just changed the landscape a little bit from well he
doesn't sign it, you really almost have to trade him
to where if he doesn't sign it, it might be
for a different reason than he doesn't want to be
in Milwaukee. Could put the Bucks in a tough position
where they could just have to roll the dice and
hope that he wants to stay. But it's not as
cut and dry, I think as it used to be. Yeah,

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I would agree with you. It's just gonna be fascinating
to see what happens economically with with with so many
of these teams. Chris Bannocks joining us from the Doug
Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Trader, if you had to
pick a team that you think could be in the
NBA Finals that we haven't, we we mentioned three teams.
Who would the other Who is the most likely sleeper team? Uh, well,

(01:03:42):
I'll give you to one of the West and one
of the East. In the West, they're not even the
playoffs right now. But I look at Portland's I mean,
they're one of those teams that has been completely changed
since the end of the season. They're going to roll
back with Yusef Nurkics and Zach Collins, two guys that
are enormously important for them and up and out for
all or most of the years. Uh in the case

(01:04:03):
of New Ketch out since that grotesque injury from over
a year ago. Those are I don't know what kind
of shape they're both in at this point, what they
can give, but they're back and they're gonna be able
to play. And when you have those guys, you know,
kind of shoring up the front court. If Livitt and
mccollumn catch fire, they can be downright unbeatable. So if
they make a run sneak in the playing game, Um,

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I just I think they can be a scary team
in the bottom half of that playoffs. And look, the
last time we went through something like this, or not
the last time, but one of the last times was
gate Seat Nicks, you know, making a run to the
NBA Finals. So strange things happen in strange years. Eastern Conference.
I've written this before, but in Philadelphia for a lot
of the same reason as Portland's. I mean, they they're

(01:04:46):
almost built for pandemic basketball where teams can't make threes
for the most part, and you you have to flug
it out in maybe five types of games because of scoring,
and the skill level is so bad. They can defend
at elite levels at least three positions. Al Horfords in
bad all year has been really good in the playoffs
for Boston for the last few years. Maybe he steps

(01:05:06):
his game back up. And Simmons being back when he
wouldn't have been back in mid March is a total
game changer. So I Philadelphia to me is almost gone
from a team that was right there on the cusp
of being just potentially broken up. Brett Brown could have
been gone, Elton Brand could have been gone. You might
be talking about trading Simmons or Embiid to break them
up to being in a point right now where I

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guarantee you with the next situation, those top teams in
the East are gonna be finding a way way to
get away from Philadelphia. They will not want to play
them in the first round if at all possible. And
the Sixers, if they can get enough offense, I think
they can make a run too. Chris mannos our guest
in the Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio,
that there was a report last night from Major Ward

(01:05:49):
Znowski that they're going to have Black Lives Matter on
the floor in Orlando. Is that accurate? That's accurate. Yeah,
that's the that's the plan right now to have it.
I don't know what the word is and Boston or
what ever on the court in Orlando. Um, has anybody
thought of the I mean, like, is it? Look, I
can sit here and tell you that I'm just as

(01:06:09):
bothered as anybody at what happened to George Floyd and
some of the other videos and things that I know
do occur. But as anybody who thought of the you know,
you don't have to be like it does feel like
you're picking a you're you're very much picking a side
in a debate, and you're not like the idea for

(01:06:31):
like what if somebody in the back of their jersey
wanted to put them won't but Trump like he is
the president, you know, like I don't, I don't know
like it. It feels like you're going like, hey, we
want free speech, you want, but you're not. Really You're saying,
this is exactly what we want to say as a league,
and that's kind of the opposite of the intent. Yeah, look,

(01:06:52):
I think it's it's a fair question. I think what
the NBA is doing right now is first and foremost
reaction to what the concerns players brought up in that
Kyrie Irving, Avery Bradley lead phone call, I think and
the NBA all along was going to try to alleviate
those concerns. But you know, the concerns that the social

(01:07:14):
justice movement could get lost in the shuffle of a
resumed NBA c's are very real in the minds of players.
You know, Fred van Bleep at a conference call this
week where you know, he talked about how, you know,
reluctant he was to come back, and he said, if
there were more people that had said, uh, you know,
we're not coming back, he might have joined them in
in all that. So I think the NBA wanted to

(01:07:37):
make sure that an addressed player concerns, and this was something. Remember,
this is something the NBA. It's not just Juni laterally
saying you know, let's here's an idea, let's do it.
It's done and decisions are made in concert with Michelle
Roberts and Chris Paul with the union. This is something
that they want and something the NBA is fine with doing.
So like you could be right like they are. They
could be picking aside and they could if somebody does,

(01:08:00):
you'll put something potentially controversial on their jersey. Or if
players and maths take a knee during the anthem in
the same way the National Women's Soccer League players, did
you know we could have a highly politicized conversation, you know,
spearheaded by our presidents. But here's the thing, Manx and
and like, look if you look at the women in

(01:08:20):
the National Women's Professional Soccer League that took a knee.
One woman to not right now, she had her hand
on her teammates shoulder. Who who who was kneeling? Like
I do I of course everybody. I mean, like I
would think that people want people want justice for George Floyd,

(01:08:41):
justice for Brianna Taylor, and and and others. On the
other hand, like the everyone's plan is not the same,
you know, And I just I think it's I think
it's fascinating that, in an effort to to you know, pacify,
I think a portion, and I don't know if it's
a majority, even if it is a majority of the players,

(01:09:03):
you're actually limiting free speech by saying, we are aligning
ourselves with this one political movement. And I kind of
think that's a dangerous path, not just because you're actually
cutting off any any conversation, but you also run the
risk of alienating a portion of your fan base. And
you may say you don't care, like I wouldn't care
about the super alright, but there's plenty of other people

(01:09:24):
that don't think completely along the same lines that are
reasonable human beings and citizens of this country that are paying,
you know, the paying customers. I just I think that's
a dangerous path. I don't disagree with you. I think
that it's it is a dangerous path to be on. Um.
I think it's it's almost unavoidable to lose some fans

(01:09:46):
in this process, because there are going to be some
people that you know, see players with certain things on
their jerseys, or see the Black Lives Matter uh and
embossed on the court, or see players taken knee and
will be automatically turned off by it in the same
way fans were turned off in the NFL. But it's
just look there, there's no solution here. There's no like

(01:10:09):
you or I cannot sit here and say here's exactly
what you should do. The NBA is making a choice,
and it is a league that is I think, well, uh,
black players, minority players, So I think this is the
way they're choosing and and don't live with the fallout.
It's gonna be. It's it is. It will be fascinating. Man,
it's great stuff. I can't wait to hear your bubble

(01:10:30):
preparations if in fact you go into the bubble and
the update of what's really going on the bubble. I
wonder if you keep a blogger of log in the meantime.
Thanks for joining us. Why not, Doug, I'm I'm unmarried,
no kids. Why hell wouldn't I go on the bubble?
I don't know. Why you would. I wouldn't want to
know anybody like you know, thanks so much. Man's Chris
Banks join us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio again. And I want to make sure this
is this is really clear. Like I'm generally a centrist,

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but we're getting this thing to w We're like, well,
you gotta be open to to all thoughts. Okay, here's
what I think. All right, Well I might think a
little bit. No no, no, no no, You're like, that's
not a political conversation. That's not actually how free speech works,
you know. And uh, even as a somebody who I

(01:11:16):
will be honest, I'm generally a Democratic voter. I I've
abstained from voting for every Democrat for specific reasons, but
I'm generally a Democratic voter. But I'll be like one
of the one of the big issues with the with
police officers, and police officers will tell you is the union. Right,

(01:11:38):
that is really hard to fire a bad cop because
unions protect all of their members, just like NBA, just
like Major and like the Democratic National Party is in
bed with the unions. And you're aligning yourselves with a
far left democratic movement in Black Lives Matter, which by
the way, not everybody who's aligned up with black lives matters,

(01:12:00):
like some of their desires are not ones that are
shared actually by the players and by the fans. Even
if you want to make the statement, which is black
lives do in fact, matter of course they do, you can.
But you're allowed to say black lives matter but not
be a part of the movement because you don't agree
with some of the political thoughts of the movement. That's allowed.
You're allowed to not agree with the movement. That's how

(01:12:22):
free speech works, except, of course, apparently in the NBA,
which I would just like, my my thing is this,
if you're the NBA, you gotta hear the listen, we
hear you, We hear you on the movement. We understand.
This is your job, and we allow you at your
press conferences, on your social media, on your regular media.

(01:12:44):
You know, on the clothes you were walking in walking out. Hey,
we you know they're doing the jersey thing on the court.
I think that's a step too far. I really do.
I just do. And if some of the players push
back and so you're like, okay, you don't have to play.
This is a very well paying job, and oh yeah,
By the way, we told you that if you don't
want to do it, we're still gonna pay you. It's

(01:13:06):
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I'm going to the gas grill. I'm going to the
charcoal grill. I'm gonna a wood pellet grill. I'm pretty

(01:13:51):
much a grill stud Rama's growing. Rama's not here, He's
already He's already out grill. And I forgot about that.
His daughter's birthday is today. Um By, are you good
in the grill? Like you're from Wisconsin? Of course you're
good in the grill, right, I do think that I
make a pretty good rack of ribs on the rack
of reeves. Make a rack of ribs? How do you
make a wreck? Tell tell me you're give me the

(01:14:13):
type of grill give me because I actually bought two
racks of ribs. Then I'm gonna make here in the
next day or two. How what's your rib game? Big
Green egg? That's what I have a b G as well,
and I and I use Myron mix and he says
to cook him, cook him hot. So I'll actually cook
him at about three hundred, so they're done in three hours.
But I'll use the Johnny Trigg method. I'll put him

(01:14:35):
on the uh, the grill for about forty five minutes,
put a little apple juice, then another forty five more
apple juice, and another forty five and then I wrap
them with brown sugar and you know, parquet and honey
and all the good stuff, and put him in tinfoil
and back on for forty five and they're they're done.
That That sounds fantastic. Good work at it. Thank you

(01:14:56):
my game. I've done the I've done the rap thing.
I like. I do like that. My kids don't like
the super sweet rubs they wouldn't like the any of
the honey or brown sugar or any rubs. They just
they feel like it's it's too and I'm with you.
I love how it tastes. Um. So there's a season
called Famous Daves. We love Famous Daves. We'll get a

(01:15:17):
little famous I will. I will layer tons of Famous Daves.
And then what I do is I heat it way up,
you know, four or five hundred degrees, so you get
both sides, you know, get both sides cooked a little bit.
Then I cool it way down to like two and
then I just leave it out there until you know,
like four or five hours and night and then and
you just it's amazing. And I constantly keep putting on

(01:15:37):
the Famous Daves as well, and then put a little
Himalayan Sea salt as well, and and it's uh so,
I mean, maybe I'll do one rack your way. In
one rack, I like meat Church seasoning. They're good. And
uh suckle Busters is another another one that I like.
Cold Busters. Let's find out what the fox said. And
now this is Kip Bayliss and Shannon Sharp talking about

(01:16:01):
the Lakers signing j R. Smith. The one thing I
love about j R. Smith he will take and make
impossibly big shots. He is fearless. He is he did,
He's cold blooded. He just he just doesn't care. He's fearless.
Just give me the ball. I will shoot it at
any place, at any point, at the end of whatever

(01:16:22):
clock or at the end of the game. I will
take that shot. You're right, when he decides to, when
he needs to, really desperately wants to, he can play defense,
but that's not often now, not often. So what just
happened was you replaced a starter. Avery Bradley started forty
four games out of forty nine possible games this year.

(01:16:44):
Forty four times he started. The only reason he missed
five is he's coming off an ankle injury, so they
just leased him back into the lineup. So you replaced
a starter with a j R. Smith who is not
by my calculations, he has not played an NBA game
for six hundred and nineteen days. The last time he
played an NBA game was November nineteenth, of think about that,

(01:17:08):
So what are you gonna do? Would you dare to
throw him into the starting lineup? Um? Look at the
difference in signing a guy now and signing a guy
late in the season. Is you actually have training camp.
So while Skip makes really good points about it's been
like two years since he's played in the NBA, you're

(01:17:30):
gonna have a training camp. He's been working already. You
get a month, and then you get eight games, and
then you get in the playoffs, and his role has
an average Like he's the same guy now. Now. The
difference is that Avery Bradley is a lockdown defender on
multiple perimeter players and while Jr. Smith is not a
terrible defender, I don't know what type of defender he'll

(01:17:51):
be with the wear and tear, and he hasn't been
playing like there's just a different level there, and he's
in his mid thirties. The additionally, Jr. Smith is a
big shot to careered maker. He's a better overall shoot
than Avery Bradley. Only shot well the last month of
the season, but everybody is a better overall player and
and much younger. You know, Look, I think they want
to add every want to add j R. Smith. Even

(01:18:13):
if they had Avery Bradley, they haven't really replaced him.
The only question is could they find a way to
talk Darren Collinson that a retirement, which they thought they
could do, but they didn't earlier this year, say, listen,
we we all have to make decisions around the pandemic
and COVID nineteen figure out like how do we adjust

(01:18:34):
our personal schedules. One baseball player has made a really
interesting series of points as to why he's not playing,
why he's wrong. Next, be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
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You can be right with your lodge and wrong with
your decision. Okay, that's that's really where I want to
start with. Okay. Ean Desmond is a very good player.
He's been a three time Silver Slugger, two time. I'll
start and he had a really thoughtful post on Instagram

(01:19:25):
as to why he's not gonna play in this uh
COVID shortened season. And I get it. His thoughts and
his feelings are right and dead on. But the idea
of not playing I I disagree with. I just do
let me. I'll give you kind of a short synopsis.
He talked about growing up in Sarasota and playing Little

(01:19:47):
League there and essentially that that saved him, that made
him the baseball player that he was. He thinks of
all these positive memories, and then he talks about another
young man who um he connected with started in baseball
the at the same age as like eleven or twelve
years old, was shot dead in Washington, d c. By
it when he was eighteen, by a sixteen year old boy.

(01:20:08):
And the idea is like, look, I want to take
time away from this season so that I can I
can pay it forward because baseball has become about club ball,
and it's because you know, it's it's not offered to
the masses at the youth level. And he talked about
eight was only eight percent of major league players are black,
only two managers, only one general manager. My argument be,

(01:20:31):
there's everything he said is correct, But if you can
make ten million dollars pro rated salary playing for the Rockies,
you can fund that little league ten times over. You
still have plenty of time when you're done playing. And
while it does seem like now is the immediate moment,
and it's a substantial financial sacrifice that he's making to
not not play, although because of COVID concerns, he'll probably

(01:20:53):
get made right money wise, the big thing is kids
emulate athletes they see on TV, and one less outstanding
black baseball player. It seems to actually hurt the very
idea that he wants to promote, which is we should
be spreading this game back to the black community. It's
very much part of the history of baseball. Let's bring

(01:21:14):
in somebody who knows a whole hell of a lot
more about the history of baseball and how to pay
it forward and how to expand the game, because honestly,
if you look at the talent baseball, it's out the
young town's outstanding locally, regionally, it's very successful. Naturally, it's
it's struggled some Bobby Valentine, of course, manager, a broadcaster,
a college coach, now the athletic director at Sacred Heart

(01:21:35):
University kind of have to spend some time of this
year on Fox Sports Radio. Bobby, First of all, most importantly,
how are you? How is your health? Okay, thank you
very much. I mean beautiful Stanford, Connecticut and my health
is great, thank you. Um what are your thoughts on
just what baseball has decided to do? Sixty games, seventy

(01:21:55):
days that they couldn't come to an agreement for a
myriad of reasons, so that MR had to push this
forward and this is what what are your thoughts on
the plan? Well, because we're in such uncharted borders, we're
all guessing as to the right thing to do and
the right thing not to do. Um. I I don't

(01:22:17):
think this was thought out well enough, and I don't
think that a whole bunch of good is going to
come of it. I want to see baseball. I want
to root for a team or my friends teams or uh,
you know, I want to spend that three hours of
a political television viewing because I need it personally. But

(01:22:40):
I don't see the the goodness uh coming from this
because there's so many uh problems that are going to arrive.
You know, the the the disease is going to still
be there, uh, the social rest is going to still

(01:23:01):
be there. And I don't see leadership of MLB UM
being the type of leadership that's going to take the
forefront and solve any of the problems. So so, what
what would have been af if you were in charge?
What should they have done? I I really, I really

(01:23:22):
am not sure what they should have done. One day.
They should have immediately told the world that they're going
to play Baseball, Uh, come hell or high water. If that,
if that was their ultimate plans, they never should have
used the season as leverage in a you know, in

(01:23:46):
a labor dispute. Uh. And too, I think that they
should be all over the airways trying to give the
right messaging, uh, to the situations that everyone is dealing
with right now that are going to get worse as

(01:24:07):
the summer goes on. And you know, I always say,
in order to win and win a game, you need
to have trust in your leadership. And as soon as
you have trust in the leadership, then you can have
the teamwork that it takes to win. And and I
was just looking to baseball personally as as being the

(01:24:34):
leaders that I could trust. And I just don't see
this plan as being trustworthy. Doug otlip Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, it's it's it's it's a it's
a fascinating Okay. So this is the plan they appear
to be going forward with it. If you're putting together
a roster, how do you adjust because you know, there's

(01:24:56):
like two different roster compositions generally of major league teams.
Right regular season a hundred sixt two games, the War
of attrition. You know you need you need a deep,
deep bullpen, especially with how baseball is played now, you
need a deep allotment of starting pitchers. You know, Um,
now you're gonna have pictures that probably aren't going deep
into games. You've got to manage their arms and manage

(01:25:16):
their careers. You have sixty games in seventy days. Obviously
we don't know what happens with rainouts and other things.
How would you how would you change the composition of
a roster if you were in charge? Well, the biggest
challenge of the roster right now visit that idea of
starting pitching. As far as I'm concerned, it's the idea

(01:25:37):
of relief pictures, having this pitch to three batters at
a minimum um that hasn't been dealt with before. And again,
that unknown itself in a sixty game season is not
going to uh, you know, be solved or be figured out.
Everyone's going to be experimenting right until the end. Um.

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But you know, you have to have a roster that's
deep in bullpen because of that, because you might not
be able to use your bullpen guys back to back
days if in fact you're throwing thirty five pitches in
one inning for those to get those three hitters out. Um.

(01:26:22):
The the usage of the bullpen is is a totally
different aspect right now. UM. And I'd be I'd be
really worried about the legs of my everyday players, not
my arms of my pictures, only because I don't think
the arms are in jeopardy. I had Nolan Ryan. I

(01:26:44):
played with them, uh, you know, and in the early
seventies when we were both in our twenties, and then
I managed them, uh, when he was in his forties
and I was still in my thirties. Um. And he
would come to spring training on the last day that
you're allowed to get the spring training, and the first

(01:27:05):
day he got the spring training, he'd pitched five innings,
okay every time, and he did that and when he
was forty six years old. And the reason he came
the last day that was allowed is because his agent
was Dick Moss, who was the legal counsel for Marvin
Miller or one of them. Early on in the basic

(01:27:26):
agreement said that you weren't forced to come to camp
until a certain date, which was usually March one. And
so he gave up the first two in three weeks
screen he just got ready on his own and through
five innings and then with throw complete games when the

(01:27:47):
season began. I think most of these pictures today, even
in this COVID situation, have uh been throwing. They you know,
they were in spring training just within a month ago
where they're building their arm up. Most of these guys
are smart enough to understand that they need to keep
throwing during this time so that they hit the ground running.

(01:28:11):
And and um, you know, I've seen guys throw bullpens
seventy pitch bullpens already and then they're going to get
a few weeks of spring training, so um, you know,
the bullpen is the key. Getting people who can get
both sides of the plate out are the key Having
a deep enough bench so that you can maneuver through

(01:28:34):
your pinch hitting situation to get the the advantage when
that right hander has to pitch the three to three
hitters that you have your left handers who can pinch
it and then have your right handers who could pitch
it the next or the next time around when the
left hander has to pitch the three hitters. So um,

(01:28:55):
the depth I think is more in bullpen, uh and
in in versatile UM position players um by by Valentine
joining us in the Doug Gotlips Show on Fox Sports Radio.
No d H and the d H s may be
gone forever. You managed in both leagues, American and and national. Um,

(01:29:16):
I don't know how give me the picture hitting might
be gone forever. Yes, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yes, I'm
thank you for correcting me. Yeah, so we UM, I
don't know. I I like nationally baseball. I like the
double switch. I thought that you guys got to be
creative and do your jobs. And it showed. It showed
all the But in your mind, does how much does

(01:29:38):
it change baseball? And doesn't change it for the better? Well,
it doesn't change it for most people, and in particular,
all of the people who are playing today UH played
at one time or another UH without the picture hitting.
And the only time some of these guys have played

(01:29:59):
with the picture hitting is when they got to the
big leagues. UM. Remember that in nineteen seventy three, the
designated here was a three year experiment for for all
intents and purpose. The reason it was a three year
experiment is because Hank Aaron and Frank Robinson, the two
of the greatest Black baseball players to ever play. Really

(01:30:21):
couldn't take the field anymore, but they could still swing
the back. And I had this great idea, let's keep
them around some more fans could see them, and let's
let them just back and not have to worry about
carrying a glove out in the field. Well, that three
year experiment is lasted since nineteen seventy three, and it's
about time we made a decision whether it's, uh, it's

(01:30:42):
a go or it's not a go. And Uh, I
think it's going to be a goal. I I managed
both leagues, and I liked the idea of boll let
strategizing and moving your line up around during the game,
as you mentioned with double switches. This decision and I
ever really had, uh were the decisions in the American

(01:31:05):
League as to when to take the picture out of
some of those games. You know, when the games two
to one and you're behind by a run and it's
the sixth inning, it's easy in the mirror in the
American League to just say, oh, I'm gonna let him
go out there in the seventh innings. In the National League, Um,

(01:31:27):
that decision is made for you. I gotta pinch hip
for him. Okay, but because it's an easy decision in
American league doesn't mean it's the right decision. If you're
following my jo No, I I get it, and the
decisions made for you that they Americans, they oh, I
can let him go out there. That's an easy decision.

(01:31:47):
But is it the right decision? And and uh, you know,
I think the game will live on. You know, just
about everybody in every front office who played any type
of baseball today played baseball without the picture hit. Because
hardly anyone in the front office played in the major league,

(01:32:08):
and probably most people in the front office is played baseball.
So let's say they never played a game of baseball
themselves when the picture hits, So why would they ever
vote on having a rule stand that they never participated it. Yeah,
it's an interesting it's yes, yes, well wait if you
but if you play growing up, the picture did hit

(01:32:30):
you're talking about not today? Yeah, yeah, youth baseball pictures
hitting in youth baseball, you're somethingbou to ever played a game. Well,
if they're if they're the good hitter, but they don't
hit nice in the order, you know, designated hit her
at all youth league, high schools and colleges in the
in the world. Yeah, it's it's It is fascin how

(01:32:53):
the game has changed and yet we've failed to evolve
in in major in Major League baseball. Um, okay, so
as we agree they are going to play. It's not
a perfect it's not a perfect. I just want to
ask you about Ian Desmond. You know, he's concerned about
the numbers of black players in baseball, the lack of
black players managing base Major League Baseball, and of course

(01:33:14):
in the front offices. My thought was, by not playing, though,
you can help the little league in Sarasota. He did
say that the club teams are are well funded, but
it's about the little leagues and you know, you know
kids that families can't afford it. Wouldn't he be better
off playing where you give somebody somebody to emulate, take
that money, and then use use the money to fund

(01:33:36):
the league. Uh think I think his heart is in
the exact right place that he he wants to go
out and do things. But as soon as he takes
that uniform off, his soapbox isn't quite as high. He
won't have as much attention given to the cause that

(01:33:59):
he's that he's fighting for that that otherwise it could
be I think he is a he's losing a little value.
He's following his heart. You know, I kind of remembered,
you know, after nine eleven, Um, I mean, that was
a very emotional situation for a lot of people, and

(01:34:21):
a lot of people were thinking, Oh, I'm just going
to stop what I'm doing and I'm going to to
jump in front of the cause and make sure that
that everyone knows that we're gonna be safe and sound.
And and actually it's it's better to stay where you are,
where people know who you are, to voice your opinion

(01:34:42):
rather than you know, stepping on the sidelines. And you know,
I like what he's doing, it's very commendable. But hitting
hitting a home run and after the game with a
national audience saying something will be heard a lot more
than it's going to be heard in Sarasota. I agree
with you. The last thing, Um, the news just broke

(01:35:05):
that the two minor league baseball season has been shelved.
How much does this hurt the future of baseball that
no minor league season at all this year? Well, you know,
there there's also the movement to cut forty minor league teams.
And to understand minor league baseball, you almost had a

(01:35:27):
had to be a part of minor league baseball. And
what it is, it's a it's a kind of a
fabric of the United States. All of these towns across
the United States route for their team. Uh, that's the
minor league team that kids go to those games because
they can't travel in the Cincinnati those games because they

(01:35:50):
can't get to New York from the upstate town that
the minor league teams in. And it's a big blow
to the economy of those towns, of the fabric of
those towns. There's going to be fans that are going
to be lost that will never return. And it's a

(01:36:11):
it's a real you know, not having baseball this year
in the minor leagues might be the right thing to do,
because you might not. You might not if you want
it so economically you're going to be hurt anyway. Uh,

(01:36:32):
And it might be the right thing to do because
you don't want to spread the virus for sure by
having people traveling around the different towns and everything. But um,
it's baseball towns this year. And again it's it's just
what is the right thing to do? I have no idea.
It's the most confusing time. Uh. Speaking of confusing, there

(01:36:58):
was some confusion when you famously wore um a little
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back yeah in the Mets, in the Mets. Uh, in
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(01:37:42):
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We look forward to talking with you more. Alright, the
one Bobby Valentine Ben Bolan will tell us if Cam
Newton will actually work in New England. That's next. Be

(01:38:06):
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio a app. Let's welcome in.
Ben Bolan, of course, works for the Boston Globe kind
of to spend some time with this year on the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Trading. When you hear
Boston Globe, be like, oh, he just covers the Patriots. No,
he covers the entire league. But he does know the
Patriots really well. Um. Most Patriots move ever, right, Like

(01:38:30):
everybody's question what they're gonna do a quarterback and they
lose an m v P and a Super Bowl champion
for a former m v P and they get him
at a at a at a pauper some like a
million dollars. What's your reaction to Cam Newton signing with
the Patriots? Uh? So, Doug, I gotta admit I did
not think the Patriots were gonna bite. I didn't think

(01:38:51):
Cam Newton would be a great fit here. Just his
playing style, completing under passes for his career, obviously, the
jury history he's been really banged up, and then the
persona with the flashiness and the you know, the fashion,
I just didn't think would be a good fit. For
Bill Belichick when I got completely wrong. And what I
forgot is that Bill Belichick doesn't care about any of that.

(01:39:13):
He cares about one thing, value and Cam Newton provides
tremendous value. A former league MVP who's still only thirty
one years old, it has an unbelievable chip on his
shoulder to prove to everyone that he's still uh an
elite quarterback. So I think it's pretty clear that this
was the Patriots plan to kind of wait in the
weeds and wait for Cam Newton to realize that the

(01:39:34):
market wasn't going to materialize for him, especially if he
was insistent on being a starter, not going somewhere as
a backup like James Winston or Andy Dalton. There are
only a couple of teams out there, and I think
it's like the Patriots and maybe the Jaguars that still
had a potential opening to to start, and so I
think Cam Newton a monk before camp realized this was
as good as it's gonna be. And this is a

(01:39:55):
tremendous situation to come in and get to play for
Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniel old they still have a
very good roster. I think cam Newton puts them once
again in Super Bowl consideration, assuming that he's healthy. So
it's a it's a great spot for him because he's
gonna get to play and showcases stuff. And it's obviously
tremendous for the Patriots because they get him for pennies

(01:40:15):
on the dollar and for no real commitment. Um okay,
so no real commitment. Pennies on the dollar. What's the likelihood?
I mean, you know, he thinks he's going to be
in battle to start, but is he like what what?
What do you think their actual plan is for quarterback? Well,
I don't think they're They're not telling Cam Newton you're
our starter or anything like that, but I do think

(01:40:36):
it's his job to lose. If they really loved Brian
uh Jared's did him and he was their guy, I
could see bringing in another quarterback just because of how
unique this year is with um COVID nineteen and you
probably can't have too many quarterbacks on your roster, but
you wouldn't bring in a guy like Kim Newton who
comes in with pizzazz and a you know, a lot
of fans want to see him play, and I'm sure

(01:40:58):
the players in the locker room are gonna gravitate or
out him. And when healthy, you know, his upside is
I think far far higher than than what Jared's did
him can provide. So to me, it's Cam Newton's job
to lose, and he would have to be really bad
in preseason and Jared Sindon would have to be great.
I think for Cam Newton not to to be the
starter here just you know, the the minute that Jared

(01:41:19):
Sidhon throws an incomplete pass, every fan, every person in
the country is gonna say, put in Cam Newton, what
let's see what he can do. So I think Cam
Newton was clearly brought to New England to be the starter.
And you know it's gonna be a weird year, so
you need death this year more than anything. But uh,
it's I think you would have been foolish for the
Patriots to only go into the season with an unproven

(01:41:39):
commodity and Stidham uh and Brian Hoyer, who we kind
of know what he is. Yeah, you know, I I agree. Now,
what about their offense? What is it? What do you
think it looks like? I think it's would be very
run heavy. To be honest, I think Cam Newton's at
his best, uh, certainly in Carolina when he had you know,
Jonathan Stewart and de' angelo Williams and Mike Tilbert, and
they had a great run game and that opens up

(01:42:00):
the play as in passing so well. Um, So I
think it's still gonna be a run heavy offense where
you're gonna see a lot of Sony Michelle. Damian Harris
as a kid they drafted from Alabama last year, didn't
get much time as a rookie, but between those two
and then James White and and Rex Burke had kind
of filling the pass catching rule that that Christian McCaffrey
did for Carolina in the last few years. I think

(01:42:22):
it's gonna be based around the running backs, a lot
of running and a lot of play action, and the
strength of the offense might be their offensive line. They're
getting centered David Andrews back after he missed all of
last season with a blood clots. There. They should have
all five of their starters back, a lot of continuity.
They gave the franchise tax to their left guard Joe
Tuney to solidify that line. So if they have a

(01:42:44):
good offensive line, I think they're gonna run the ball
a lot, a lot of play action, a lot of
screen passes. Uh, and then you know shots over the
middle and deep crossers that that can is so used to.
I don't think it's gonna be a Lamar Jackson, you know,
running style offense. I do think they're gonna have to
protect him a little more because he is an older
thirty one with a lot of injuries. Um, but there's
no question that he gives them a new dynamic with

(01:43:06):
his mobility and his athleticism. And again, I still think
it's gonna be a running and play action based type
of offense. Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
you woke up today and there was some rumors Antonio
Brown and Tampa, and then Tampa leaks it out through
Diana Rasini and others. They have no interest. Um, is

(01:43:27):
this just Antonio Brown's camp trying to trying to stir
something up. Like my issue with Antonio Brown is like, Okay,
if you get him, how long is he gonna be
suspended for it? You know, like we the commissioner hasn't
even levied any sort of punishment, So you have that. Uh.
In addition to like look, man, he was on two

(01:43:47):
teams for one game last year, and this guy is uh,
you know, he's Kerosene and you gotta be careful around
the fires of the NFL. Um your thought on the
Antonio Brown rumor and why it was shut down so early. Yeah,
it does sound like it's probably coming from his people,
and the Bucks have been pretty adamant all offseason. They've

(01:44:11):
spoken unquivocally that there's probably not room for Antonio Brown
on the roster. You know, they didn't really leave it
open to interpretation. So when I saw the reports today,
I wash my eyebrows raised a little bit, and that
you know, I guess it's correct because the Bucks have
denied it. I think there's only a couple of teams,
a few teams out there that would realistically even be

(01:44:31):
in on Antonio Brown at this point. Um probably Seattle,
Kansas City, New Orleans. Teams that have strong leadership, strong quarterbacks,
but uh, you know, are also gonna be Super Bowl contenders.
If you're not, if you don't think you're one piece
away from winning at all, you're not gonna take a
risk on a guy like Antonio Brown. And even those
teams that I mentioned I don't know if any of
them are gonna uh take to take a flyer on him.

(01:44:54):
I guess it will be interesting to track, like who
would get back in the league first, Antonio Brown or
Colin Kaepernick, because there's kind of a lot of buzz
around both. I think it might be Kaepernick, and frankly
the answer might be neither. We might not see either
player suiting up this ball. Let me ask you about Kaepernick, Um,
what what? Where? Where do we say? Because I throughout
the two places I think he could be a backup

(01:45:16):
that would make sense would be Kansas City and Houston. Now, look,
I I understand that the reality of football is most
guys go to a system where they know somebody. That
place would be Baltimore, where his hardball is, the coach
is the brother of his former coach, and the play
caller was his play caller when he went to Super Bowl.

(01:45:37):
Like I got that. The problem is that the meme
that his girlfriend put out and they already have a
backup in r G three, I don't I don't know
if they burned that bridge. Kansas City makes sense only
in that you know Andy Reid has done this before.
In terms of image, rehab with Mike Vick, and Mike
Vick eventually became his starter. It's not like they have

(01:45:59):
a big name back up. It might make sense Houston,
you know, Bill O'Brien could use some some positive equity
within that locker room. And oh yeah, by the way,
both those teams have starters that no one believes Colin
Kaepernick should start in front of. But what is the
reality to Colin Kaepernick right now? So I actually agree
with the teams that you listed, and when I look
at where a good fit for Kaepernick would be, I

(01:46:20):
think you have to look at who the starting quarterback
is and what kind of system they're running. Like in Baltimore,
it's not a coincidence that Lamar Jackson's backup is r
G three, so that if you know Jackson got hurt,
you have a similar type of quarterback ready to go.
And frankly, I think Kaepernick would be an upgrade over
r G three, and I think Baltimore would love Kaepernick.
So to me, the Ravens are definitely a spot. Kansas

(01:46:43):
City and Houston I think make a lot of sense
because I think Kaepernick is a good fit behind Mahomes
and Watson scheme wise, and you look at who those
teams have his backups, like Chad Henny is Mahomes and backup.
To me, that's a strange fit. And a J. Mccaren
is DeShawn Watson's backup, that's an even stranger fit to me.
I think Kaepernick makes a lot of sense for those teams,
and the other team I think makes maybe even more sense.

(01:47:04):
I think Number one is the Tennessee type. Um. I
think Kaepernick would be a tremendous scheme fit there if
you had to fill in for Ryan Tannehill. And in
Tannehill you had a guy who was awesome last year,
but I mean, who knows that he could do it again?
Who knows that he can stay healthy? And they have
no one backing him up? They have, I forget what
the kid's name. They have a couple of guys who
have never taken an NFL snap back into Bryan Tannehill

(01:47:27):
right now after they lost Marcus Mariotta this offseason. Oh,
Cole McDonald. That's the kid named Cole McDonald. I remember
because I sing Old McDonald in my head every time.
But Cole is someone named Cole McDonald is is the
backup to Tannehill. So to me, Kaepernick would be a
tremendous fit in in Tennessee. And but you know, you
have to factor in like the market and that, you know,
can Kaepernick survive in a you know, generally red state

(01:47:49):
area like Nashville or like Kansas City. That's why I
think Baltimore is a good fit as well. I just
I think the Ravens fans would absolutely love Kaepernick. Yeah,
and there's no question who the who the starter is.
The question is does he is the same does when
we don't we we don't actually know what kind of
shape he is in. But does he actually want to
be a backup? Um? We we we don't know. That

(01:48:09):
would be big of the owner considering the meme that
was put out there and no sort of apology that
was that. I don't I don't know. I mean, you know,
I yeah, and Doug, I do agree with you. I
think there are still questions about what type of role
is he willing to accept and realistically does he want
to play in the NFL? Because I think if we're

(01:48:30):
gonna be honest, it's been better for his image and
his persona to be the guy who was blackballed by
the NFL intead of the guy who's the backup quarterback
in the NFL. So I do think there are some
questions as to how genuine he really is about wanting
to play in the NFL. We we are only at June,
but the calendar is going to turn to July tomorrow.
Your best guess as of today in terms of the season, like,

(01:48:55):
what does it look like? I think the preseason is
probably shortened to to games. I know each team wants
to have a home game and a road game as
like a trial run. So I think that's a smart
thing to do. Uh. I think they start on time.
I'm I'm fairly confident that they can start on time.
I am not as confident that they can finish on time. Um,

(01:49:16):
I think they're gonna be having you know a lot
of testing and quarantining and tracing and social distancing and
all that. But you know, is is COVID gonna overwhelm
a team's offensive line room or all four of their
quarterbacks you get it at one time? Or you know,
is a team gonna have to forfeit at some point
or I just conditioned in the United States, you know,

(01:49:37):
so bad to the point that it's just not appropriate
to keep playing anymore. I mean, you look at how
things are going this summer, and it's spiking all across
the country and it's supposed to be worse than the
cold months. So you know, they might be able to
start in September, but who knows what the country is
gonna look like in December and January. So I'm confident
that they can get the season on, you know, started
on time, but not nearly as confident that they're gonna

(01:50:00):
be able to finish it on time, and they might
have to shorten it or move things around. It's even
if they start in September, it's no guarantee that they
make it to the Super Bowl. Uh, you know, unscathed.
Ben Bolan from the Boston Globe does a great job
fam on social media. Readers work in the Globe. Ben,
thanks so much for joining us. Man all right, thanks
at pleasure is all all mine? Another sport has officially

(01:50:22):
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some curious times, don't we. Let's get to the press,

(01:50:46):
the press buyer. Yeah, bye bye. The minor league baseball
season officially canceled today, calling it quits. He touched on
this a little bit earlier, but different types of h Yeah,
that's for sure. It kind of makes sense. But it's
unfortunate that the season has been called. They're gonna play.

(01:51:09):
I'm just I'm like, I'm a I'm a former minor
league basketball player, and then I played professionally both of
the minor leagues and overseas. I am fully respectful of
people's needs um to make statements about social justice. And
if you're concerned about protecting your family, you don't play,

(01:51:30):
you don't show up. That's fine. There are a hundred
more a thousand guys that would take your spot. I
don't again. You just and and this is important, like
you get from people like I'm more than an athlete,
more than a basketball you are, but you also have
a job and a finite number of years and opportunities

(01:51:51):
to get that job. I for for Major League baseball,
Like you don't want to show up to work fine,
there will be. There are literally thousands of guys who
do not have a job today that dream of that opportunity.
Angels general manager Billy Eppler says the team will use
show Hey Otani as a two way player, and they
resumed season now showtime there had been If the season

(01:52:13):
would have gone off like, uh, life would be normal
in twenty They were gonna hold Otani off until at
least mid May to start pitching, but weren't the end
of June. So he's gonna be able to do both
when the season begins. I don't know if people will
remember how good he was before he got hurt at
both pitching and hitting, top five, top ten in the
league in both in both categories. Um Granty's coming off

(01:52:35):
of Tommy John surgery, but we're talking essentially two years
removed from the injury. Uh. The Angels become one of
the fascinating teams to watch Major League Baseball. Yankees GM
Brian Cashman told reporters none of their players right now.
I've opted out of the twenties season so far. Says
that there's optimism, very optimistic that Aaron Judge will be
ready for opening Day again. Yanks Nationals expected to be

(01:52:57):
the opening day game on July. Yeah, I I don't think.
I mean, like, the baseball thing doesn't make a ton
of sense to me in terms of guys opting out
like the with the exception of touching a baseball, and
they all throw out the baseballs and you've all been tested,
I'm not sure how you would how you would catch
it if you're rotating, I don't the likelyhood of catching

(01:53:18):
it is not great. Did you read some of the
rules on like them throwing balls on I mean it's
I know that there are a lot of baseballs already
for a baseball game, but this is this is gonna
be crazy. Yeah. Yeah, you were talking with Ben Volan
about the discussions the League of the Union having about
shortening that preseason. This from Pro football Talk dot com.

(01:53:38):
They're reporting that some NFL teams are considering flying in
and out of cities for road games on game days
for the upcoming season. I'm telling you more teams to
do it. We used to do it in college. Um,
we got to where we'd fly in day of the game. Awesome, awesome.
Don't sleep in a hotel anyway, You sleep in your

(01:53:59):
own bed. Sure, what what was Well, it was Big
eight back then, right, it was a Big twelve. Okay,
big twelve. So uh, you know the one time, one
time we were diverted going into Kansas, but you know
Nebraska we flew in day of Yeah, you guys are
kind of centrally located too. Yeah, I mean it wasn't
wasn't They weren't long flights, but it was great. Like
you get off the plane, you go and you got

(01:54:19):
to stright to shoot around, and then you go back.
Usually have a hotel, you go, take a nap, you
watch some films, you have you know, pregame meal, you
go and go to the game, and then maybe you
fly home afterwards. Maybe you fly on the next day.
A team like usually right afterwards. Sea adults could be
tough um to do that. But if you're a Giant's
Phillies excuse me, Giants Eagles game, you know, so, I

(01:54:40):
mean that's what ninety minutes anyway, you could drive there, Yeah, exactly.
Free agent defensive Edgevan Cloudy told Jessina Anderson that he
intends to sign with the team prior to the start
of the season. Yeah, this is the non story, This
is the non report report, right, I intend to start
with the team. Are you narrowed it down? Nope? Still open?
Why because there's just not a lot of interest at
the price that he's asked h She even followed up

(01:55:00):
with a tweet that he seems to be standing by
that he thinks that the money is going to be
there and that a team is gonna want him for
that price tag. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver says the league
could handle a few isolated COVID nineteen positive tests, but
if there are a lot of them, they'd stop the league. Again.
This was him talking today at a time one event.
There's no way of knowing where this pandemic is going.

(01:55:22):
We've concluded is that we simply can't run from it.
We're looking to find the right balance between health and
safety on one hand and economic necessity on the other.
And what we found what makes sense for the NBA,
and that is a safe and responsible way to play
that from the commission says he won't be in Orlando
the entire time of the resumed season, right, everybody else

(01:55:44):
has to be in the bubblic set me. Rob Polinka,
the Lakers DM, actually talked about that today, saying that uh,
one of his children were it was was in tears
finding out that she wouldn't see daddy for three months.
But okay, so so so his son, Durham plays for
one of my AU teams and he was super bummed

(01:56:05):
out this weekend because his his his wife, Blinka's wife
is the doctor. She's actually my kids pediatrician, and she's like, look,
I would love to have Durham. He wants to play,
but Rob's like, on kind of self quarantine here until
you leave because he can't doesn't want to pop up
positive for COVID. Then I have to come home and
have the team there. So yeah, IT'SAI. Not only are

(01:56:26):
they limited in terms of what they can do when
they get there, but in terms of what they can
do before they get there. Does he have a daughter?
Maybe I just read it wrong or I think he does.
It was his daughter as well. Blanka also confirmed Avery
Bradley not going to make the trip to Orlando, says
they'll have an announcement tomorrow and his replacement likely j R. Smith,
But Polinka also said that they don't know the status

(01:56:49):
of Dwight Howard as of yet, as Howard is still
determining on whether the player or not. They remain in contact,
but Dwight Howard has not made up his mind as
if yet. I'm just like, look, I understood, I understand
de Whites his whole deal whatever, right, but do you
need to play in this thing? This is for your

(01:57:10):
career a chance to win an NBA championship. Considering he
should be in the Hall of Fame. He wins an
NBA championship, his whole career trajectory seems different. That That'd
be my advice to him. Blazer's Guardamian Lillard will grace
the cover of NBA two K one. My quick question,
will they have a quarantine addition where you can play

(01:57:30):
like two to three months in Orlando in the game,
you know pay? Yeah, that would be That would be crazy.
That's the press backing out there and pressed. That was
the press. Look, look, my my thing with Ian Desmon
is very simple. I respect that he wants to help
be part of the change and the movement and grow
baseball in the black communities, especially Sarasota where he grew up.

(01:57:52):
But you're better off doing that on a baseball field
and the money that you make going back to the community.
If that's how you want to do it. You know
your heart and your your head can be in the
right place, but you've got to think a little further.
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