October 10, 2024 • 49 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:Doug talks about the Dodgers' win over the Padres Wednesday night and explains why it is the perfect example of the phrase "That's Baseball!".
Doug welcomes former Jets head coach Eric Mangini onto the show to talk about the Robert Saleh firing, Aaron Rodgers, and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
Doug and the crew focus on sports in 2012 in this edition of "Don't Call It A Throwback...Thursday."
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Zach Rosenblat's going to join us top of next hour.
Top of next hour, he'll talk about the New York
Jets and the mess that they are, and of course
former Jets head coach Eric man Genie Eric Mangini will
join us as well. So we got a lot to
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get to. I mean a lot. I do feel like
this is a perfect time for a reset in regards
to something we say and use on the show. So
you understand kind of the context of this discussion. First
of all, I know, we don't talk a ton about
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baseball anymore on National Sports Radio. We I was, I
was telling the guys before the show, I'm kind of
proud of us because we cover all the sports, you know,
we try and cover all of what matters. Whereas I
think that most sports radio shows have evolved into kind
of the marching orders of the past, which is like, look,
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pro football is all anybody cares about, seemingly embedding the
numbers are scene for every Pro football game, and I'm
not trying to diminish like Tonight's Thursday Night Football. It's
a big game. Niners got to start to win, right
and the Seahawks Niners are always seemingly always a close game.
When the Seahawks were good and the Niners were not,
it was closed. When the Niners were great and the
Seahawks were not, it was like, that's a good football game.
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We'll talk about. But there's something unique about baseball. Whether
it's because one hundred and six to two games, whether
it's the c n I ground ball, whether it's kind
of the use of all this all these stats and
analytical data, whatever it is. Okay, baseball is it's special.
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It's it's absolutely special. But baseball is unique in that
so many times we can't explain what happens, right because
you think we have all these stats, all this data.
This guy hits this against lefties, this against right he's
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you know, with this sort of account and blah blah
blah blah blah, like the compilation of data. And it's
not from a short a small sample size. Playoffs are
small sample size, right, And people are talking about Aaron
Judge and what's he doing or whatever. Obviously, you know,
Jason Stewart wants to take credit for Mookie bets because
he thinks he motivated Mooki Bets by trashy Mookie Bets
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as a choker. Before Mookie Bets goes out and hits,
it's a two run home run to give him a
breathing room to start the game. But that's beside the point.
I use an expression called that's baseball, and I think
that's baseball you can use in life anytime something can't
be explained because history data, you know, all of this
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research tells us one thing and the opposite happens. For example,
Vanderbilt just doesn't beat Alabama. They dominated Alabama right after
Nick Saban on National TV said Hey, the only place
it's easy to play in the SEC is Vanderbilt. And
they go and lose to Vanderbilt. And it wasn't like
their starting quarterback got hurt, like nothing happened, like they
had Ryan Williams. They made some good plays, but Vanderbilt
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just dominated time possession and won the games. A that's baseball.
That's baseball, And I thought last night last night, you
guys can tell me if I'm wrong. The Dodgers are
out of starting arms now. Granted, the strength of this
team now is in the bullpen. But they go to
a bullpen day, they start turnstyling through pitchers, each one
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seemingly better and more control than the next. And the hitters,
many of whom the elite ones had struggled, and they
get off to a hot start, and what seemed like
a funeral it should have been a funeral for the Dodgers,
and the Padres fans were ready to party, ready to
burn them in effigy end up taking a big l.
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Now goes back to Chevez Ravine and we got ourselves
a winner, go home game. Last night, in so many ways,
was baseball. When you can't explain the inexplicable in the sport,
people just go, oh, hey, that's baseball, that's baseball. And
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I gotta tell you last night, on so many levels,
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That dies baseball. Yes I'm wrong, Yes I'm wrong. I
don't think anyone know you're you're right. I don't think
anyone would deny that the Padres had all the momentum,
all the emotional momentum going into last night's game. The Dodgers,
other than a grand slam from Hernandez, had not hit
for two games. The Dodgers had Freddie Freeman as a
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late scratch. Their third place hitter was a late scratch
the dogs.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Just there, Okay. Freddie Freeman is the unquestioned I think
he's kind of regal in his leadership. Right, he's first base,
he's a stud in the field. He's just like Freddy
Freeman is the picture of like solid, right solid. I
mean he is the mister dependable. He's been playing through injury.
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Now even Freddy can't go. You're like, oh boy, we
don't have Freddy. And they go out and whoop their butts.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Sorry, go ahead with eight relievers.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Eight relievers pitch a shutout in an eight to nothing game.
Mookie Bets hits a home run. Mookie Betts gets another
base hit, Will Smith finally got a hit, Like, you
just didn't see any of that coming. And to me,
and this was your concept. You know, we're all about
giving credit on the show. This was a Doug Gottlieb concept.
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That's baseball, Like, sums this game up. Because I was
convinced that we were not coming back to Los Angeles,
and we are.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
We absolutely are. Man, was that fun? And again I'm
not People ask me all the time, like, well you
Dodgers or Padres, Like I don't really like the Padres act,
but I can't sit here and lie to you and
tell you like I'm a true blue Dodger fan. I
like going to Dodger games. I love Chevez Ravine, like
Petco as well. But I've been an Angel guy, which is,
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by the way, squarely in the middle between Dodger Stadium
and Petco. So I don't really have a bone to pick.
I do think there's an interesting dichotomy between the two teams,
and usually what you have is this within a team.
And Freddie, by the way, was this guy when he
was in Atlanta. Right, many of the younger players, and
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even many of the Latin players, Dominican players, players South America,
Central America, they played with a lot more flash, a
lot more panache, and a lot more kind of in
your face. Those are the pitchers that had the flamboyant
strike out when they're on the mound and the bat
flips when the bat flips when they hit home runs,
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as well as a little bit more style when they're
in the field. Right, this is it. And if you
want to tell me that I'm making something up, then
you're exposing yourself as not understanding the culture of baseball.
Whereas the older players, and again some of it is
the American born players, but the older players of baseball
always talk about playing the right way, not pimping home runs.
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You can celebrate, but there's this difference between celebrating and
showing somebody up. There's a fine line there, right, Those
are the unwritten rules of baseball, et cetera. Well, the padres.
Usually this happens within a team, and the successful teams
find ways for everybody to succeed. And usually those teams
end up acting and playing quote unquote the right way
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once they get to the playoffs because they have a
proper order. The veterans keep the keep the young guys
from acting out of place. This is the difference between
the two teams. Right, shoe a Otani was tecked rightfully
so because the third base umpire was trying to get
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out of the way of a deflected ball. It hits
off of the third base umpire and that's why he
gets pegged at home right, But while he yells at
the umpire once he got to the dugout. The difference
between show hey and for example, a padre is you'd
think a padre would do that while he's still on
the field, and though they kicked the hell out of
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the Padres and Mookie hit a home run? Did he
pimp the home run when he hit it? So you
almost have kind of the culture war as well as
the you know, the war of the the the Dodgers
who have dominated the vision, but the Padres who right now,
based upon health of pitching staff, appear to be the
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better team. You have two things going at once. And
oh yeah, by the way, I thought you nailed it.
The emotional momentum, whether you think baseball has momentum or not.
I like, again, I don't know what the stats tell you,
but it did feel a lot like what Daniel Jeremiah,
who I know is an NFL analyst but is a
Padre fan and he joined us yesterday. It did feel
like what he said is true and that the Dodgers,
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deep down inside know Padres are better currently. And yet
it wasn't close. It was domination, and it was the
Dodgers forcing a game five. Do you know why, Sam?
Do you know why?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
That's baseball?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's right, that's baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
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Speaker 1 (10:43):
What up Doug Otleig Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know
it's it's really really interesting that you know Aaron Rodgers.
Obviously today they they demoted Nathaniel Hackett from play caller
to I guess just check collector, quasi quarterback coach. Aaron
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Rodgers buddy in the in the film room with the Jets.
But it is interesting, like we do this all the
time where we talk about player empowerment, and I mean,
how many of these great players don't know anything about
personnel decisions. Remember Aaron Rodgers when he left the Packers,
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he talked about all of the different guys that he was,
you know, upset that the Packers let go and all
of them, Like if you go back and look at him,
like none of them were guys that it made sense
for them to keep, you know, none of them. None.
And you know, Alan Lazard's a nice player, but I
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mean they he's not a number two. I mean, of
the guys they've brought back out of familiarity, none of
them are good enough or difference makers offensively. And then
you know he ties his ship to Nathaniel Hackett, who's
not a good play caller. Remember he's in Denver, he
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can't get the plays in on time. He's in New
York this last week they're in London. He couldn't get
the plays in on time. And the lack of motion.
Like again, remember go back to the Mike McCarthy era
when it came to the end. This is the same offense,
and the whole argument with it against it was it
was way too basic, way too lame, way too dated,
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not enough pre snap note motion right, And remember Matt
Lafleur came in and he's like, look the whole quarterback
like basically kind of a Brett Favre. I want it
super basic and then I got the superpowers. I'll figure
it out. Like that doesn't work anymore. It just doesn't.
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The defenses are too advanced, too advanced. So I just
it's really interesting on how many people in our positions
in the media say, yeah, you got a player in power,
Yeah you should bring him in on these decisions. Why
that's not what he does. Yeah, I mean every once
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in a while you go like, hey, man, you've been
working this guy. What do you think. That's one thing,
But like going and acquiring players because you like him,
because he's your guy, because you work out with like,
that doesn't work. Player personnel people, that's all they do.
They get up in the morning and they watch film,
they talk to people, and they do research. They try
and find with fiscal and again, it doesn't mean that
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there's one hundred percent hit rate, but that's their job.
And I think again the Nathaniel Hackett to motion and
essentially disaster, right is it? Okay? Okay call him disaster
And look, Aaron is not without fault, is not without flaw.
He's not as good a quarterback as he was in
Green Bay because he's older, he's gone through it. I
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get this is a huge injury some used to be
a career ending injury. But every time I hear people
basketball players and football players the most time about player empowerment,
bring them in in the decision making process. I give
you Aaron Rodgers. Because Aaron Rodgers is not an idiot.
He is a really, really bright guy and right probably
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too smart for his own good conspiracy theorist and you know,
I mean, I'm sure he's got all kinds of theories
on who really shot Kennedy and et cetera, et cetera,
But he's not an idiot. He's actually super super smart
and he's a great, all time great quarterback in his
prime Aaron Rodgers literally checked every single box as a player.
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Boxes that even Tom Brady was good in the clutch,
unbelievable arm strength, accuracy, athleticism, pre staff reeds, being able
to improvise, and secondary tertiary reads like the whole thing
had the whole package. But you know what he's not.
He's not probably a personnel guy. He's just not. And
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pretty obviously he his loyalty to Nathaniel Hackett is at
least part and parcel to the disaster which is the
Jets offense. All right, let's get back to football. Eric
Mangini joins us. Of course, Eric was a longtime assistant
in the NFL, head coach of the Jets, head coach
of the Browns, and he joins us in the Doug
(15:29):
Gotlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Eric, I would
be an indulgent obviously, it's an experience that you know,
you've worked in that organization. I just what are your
thoughts on how it went down with Robert Sala being
let go?
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Well, it doesn't totally surprise me what He fired me
after going nine to seven, and I had, you know,
Brett Farva and he had gotten hurt and then we
had a pretty good team, so him moving on in
this I thought the fact that he brought Robert back
this year was surprising, but for him to fire him
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when he did, it's not really It's not really Wood,
He's at MO. He's never fired a head coach during
the season. Really, the Jets organization as a whole has
never fired a head coach during the season. I think
one guy one that coach left like in nineteen seventy six,
So that's out of the pattern. But the game was
in the UK. What he was the ambassador to the UK,
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I'm sure he wanted you know, he had his friends there.
He wanted a good showing. This comes on the heels
of the really disappointed Denver Broccos loss which throughout the
course of this season. When you consider what the expectations
were going into it versus where they are and the
disappointing losses, I think, I think what he just impulsively
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decided he was going to bry some something different.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
What diding Aaron Rodgers role in this was.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Well, Aaron didn't really hide the fact that that he
didn't love Robert Salah at all. And there are multiple
examples of Aaron taking every opportunity to either embarrass Robert
or contradict him. And and Aaron's constantly preaching about, you know,
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the focuses need to be on football and and you
know all the things that you'd want from your quarterback.
But yet he creates a lot of the distractions and
animosity in the way that that he was responding. And
and maybe they didn't fit personality wise, but I'm sure
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he didn't do much to say Robert in the end.
And the idea that he talked to would eve the
night before Robert was let go, and it never came
up it.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Listen, listen, I mean, well, hold on, here's the guy
who wanted wanted player personnel decision making. Here's the guy
who said his big issue with Green Bay was nobody
told him anything when they're drafting Jordan Love or what
they were, they're cutting his friends or whatever, so he
wanted to be in the know. He talks to the
owner of the team the night before they fired the
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head coach, and it didn't come up like.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Any I'm just gonna dramatically change the organization tomorrow, which
is going to affect you and then everybody else that
you deal with on a daily basis. But I'm not
going to cover that in the call that we have.
I'm just checking in to see how you're doing really
really things. That seems pretty far fetched. And even when
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he talked about it, he denied it like he was
like a politician was denying something, not really someone.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Who why not just why not just own it? Why
not just go like, listen, I've played for championship level teams,
i played for a lot of coaches. We just we this,
we're not there? Why I just own it? I mean,
especially for a guy that likes to say that he
tells the truth, that he's the honest broker, why not
just own it?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Okay, but you know, it's a little bit of a
may West rule. If you've got to tell someone you're
a lady, you're not. So I've always telling everybody how
you tell the truth? You know, that's that's a that's
a red flag right there. And then if you're going
to own anything, own your own performance, own all the
multiple interceptions, Own the distractions you've created, Own the things
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that you could have done better throughout this process. And look,
it's it's easy to fire people. The firing people are
is simple. It's it's putting the pieces together after you transition.
But that's the hard part. And maybe this will be
a shot of adrenaline for the organization, and then that
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happens at times, and they have the talent to win
the division. It's not like the division is clearly running
away with his vision by any stretch. And Miami's got
their set of problems, and New England's got their set
of problems. So it's it's all in front of them.
But you still got to find the answers. And one
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of the biggest answers is he needs to play better.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
He does need to play better, and it's it's fascinating,
like the intercept, the overthrows and wide open guys, and
here's the guy that pride himself on accuracy and not
turning the football over, and what do you do. He
turned the football over and has been inaccurate in some
key moments. Eric Mangini is our guest. You can see
him on Fox Sports One of course. Uh it's a
two time head coach, longtime defense assistant, most notably with
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the New Eland Patriots Joints and the Doug otleb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Let me ask about the Patriots,
they're gonna hand the ball to May. What do you
think about the timing?
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Well, he great has a real advantage over Taylor Williams
and Jaydon Daniels. He's had He's had five weeks to
sit and watch things and learn how to be a pro.
And ideally you'd like to have a young quarterback who
could sit on the bench and learn what it means
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to play professional football and all the aspects to it.
It's a huge transition for a young player, a rookie player.
It's an even bigger transition for a quarterback. The value
of information and you have to know offensively, the adjustments
that come to play, the volumes of defenses that you're facing,
the you know week in and week out versus what
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you saw in college, which is a lot a lot
more paired down. So there's a ton but he has
had that time to watch, and we're seeing two guys
that are you know, Caleb is coming on. I think
he's getting a little bit better each week and has
shown some flashes of being a really good player. And
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we know what Jaden's doing in Washington. So from a
from a fan based perspective, from an ownership perspective. You're
looking at it and saying, well, other quarterbacks have done well,
young quarterbacks who were drafted high. Why not why not
see whether our guy can change things. It makes It
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makes a lot of sense. It's not perfect, but I
understand why they're doing them, making.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Them move now. Niners taking on the Seahawks tonight. Niners
have been you know, they lost three out of four here,
so they've been given a pass because of injuries. Should
they have been given that pass?
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yeah, I don't see them as getting a pass. I
really felt that Arizona was a game where they could
be upset. That was my pick last week on the
show for an upset alert, because when you look at
the Cardinals, you know, it was easy to look past
them to the fact that they had the Seahawks on
Thursday night on a short week. Kyler Murray's playing the
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best football that he's played since he's been in the league. Statistically,
they run the ball really well, and then San Francisco
gets into the game and there's a bunch of things
that happen. They lose their kicker. They're in the red
zone six times, you know, and most of the time
without their kicker, they fumble on the eight yard line.
There were a lot of things that when you're not
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completely dialed in on the opponent, can happen in a
game that they should have easily won, and it didn't,
and I think they were looking past them to this
day tonight. In terms of injuries. Yeah, so they don't
have Christian mc McCaffrey, but Jordan Mason's done a great job.
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He's done a really good job, and they're running the
ball effectively. Brandon Aiyuta has been disappointing. He got his money,
but it's really taken him multiple games to get to
the actually that we saw last week where he finally
would have eight eight catches last game, where you've been
kind of the invisible man prior to that. Yeah, so
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they're there, they've been dinged up, but they shouldn't get
a pass to that at all. They still have a
ton of stars and a ton of really good players,
and it's it's pretty disappointing to have the start that
they've had, and especially being all and three. In the NFC.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Eric Mangini
is our guest. Course former head coach of the Jets,
former head coach of the Browns. I gotta ask you
what the Browns I mean, Okay, what do you do
with this Deshaun Watson albatross of a contract?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Is this is this is a nightmare. I'm really happy
I'm not the head coach of the Bronx with this
situation because there is no good answer. You can't move
on from him next year, even because I think it's
it's some ridiculous amount of money on next year's cap
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followed up by another year of a ridiculous amount of
money on the sellar cap. And I understand why they
keep pushing money into the future and haven't been paid
to go because their assumption is as the salary cap grow.
So let's say it gets bigger by thirty million dollars
next year, the dead money won't be as bad whenever
they pull that trigger. We saw that Russell Wilson dead
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money was what eighty five million dollars. That set a
new bar. This would completely set a dramatic new bar.
But at least the CAP's growing, and now they're in
a situation where he's not playing well. They've got Jamis
Winston on the bench, who's an exciting player. Now he's
going to be exciting for you, and he's going to
be exciting for the other team too because you're going
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to throw touchdowns and picks. But it gives them a
chance to do something. But right now, it's just it's
like it's just lethargic, the whole the whole operation, the
level of enthusiasm. And I'm sure it's because everybody in
that building knows we can't do anything about this glaring
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problem that we have.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It's just, I mean, it's he's done more to hurt
NFL quarterbacks going forward than probably anybody. Right Like he
finally broke through, got the fully guaranteed five year deal,
and it's an abject disaster. I do want to ask
you about that.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson helped that out with the deal
he got in Denver and his performance. So this it
was like that year of contrast set the uh you know,
it's set a great new bar for quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, but then they keep keep doing it. But but
they keep doing it like you give two a big
deal like we have, we give two of this gigantic deal.
Now he's he's out. Who knows if he's going to retire.
What he's gonna do.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I mean, yeah, you look at you look at two
of the deal Doug he had he had an injury
that could be career ending, and to his credit, he
went through the whole year without being injured. But that
doesn't go away, like the injury risk doesn't go away.
And they could have played him on the fifth year
option and then franchised them. But you give him a
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new deal and I'm happy for to it. So it's
a great situation for the player, not great business for
the club.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Okay, the Vikings are unefeated, right, and you know you
got a i know for a Patriot who's a four
backup quarterback as their head coach. You know, you know,
they got a general manager came from San Francisco, really
bright young guy, and they've kind of remade this roster.
But your impressions as a coach, what do you see
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with the Vikings in terms of the longevity of this
early season success.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Well, remember when Philly last year was ten and one,
and then I think Pittsburgh the year before was somewhere
similar to that, and they had a lot of yeahs.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You're like, don't know, whateless.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, look like.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
When game stocks. When game stocks stock game stops stock
went way high, You're like, yeah, I'm not buying that.
Is that what you are?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Yeah, well it's I'm happy for Sam Darnold, but traditionally,
over the course of his college and pro career, he's
throwing about as many interceptions as he's thrown touchdowns. And really,
when you look at his turnovers this season, I still
think he's I think he's about third in the league
and turnovers between bumbles and picks. So that's not going
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to go away, and that's going to be a problem.
Where they've been able to offset that problem is defensively.
They're generating a ton of turnovers and they do it
with us with either the second or third most press
in the league on first and second down. I imagine
that teams are going to catch up with the pressure
package and there are going to be some holes and
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there are either going to be those games where Sam's
gonna gonna have to carry things, and there's gonna be
those games where his turnovers are a lot greater than
what the defense can generate. You know, traditionally turnovers come
in bunches, but it's hard to count on those game
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in and game out. You know, you know, if you're
good on third down, you're usually good on third down turnovers.
It's not as consistent as statistic that you can count
on to the course of the season, although with Sam's turnovers,
historically those have remained pretty constant. So I don't I
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don't know if I'm as excited as everybody else is
about Minnesota. I think it's great. I didn't see it coming,
but it's a long season and I don't know if
it's sustainable.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Eric, great to catch up with you on radio, man,
awesome stuff. Is always truly appreciate your time, no.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Worries that have a great week of math. I just said.
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Speaker 1 (30:06):
App stug Ott Leap Show. Fox Sports Radio got an
update coming from our guy Dan Byer about eleven minutes away.
Maybe maybe a little bit less in the meantime. You know,
if you look on social media, they call it throwback Thursday,
but we like to say, don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
What year we throwing it back to?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
There, Jason, we're gonna take the time machine back to
twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Think about what you were doing in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Now, we have a big Seahawks fan on the show
here in Dan Byer, so he could fact check me
at every step here. But I want to take it
specifically back to a December game in twenty twelve where
a rookie quarterback played the eventual division champion San Francisco
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forty nine Ers. Russell Wilson, in his rookie year played
the forty nine Ers coach by John Harbaugh, quarterbacked by
Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Harbaugh.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
That's what I meant. That's what Dan's here for. You
need to fact check all this stuff. I get a
little loose with the details. I'm overall entertaining, but I'm
not good on the details. Hold on, hold on, yep,
thank you, thank.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You, Dan.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
So, of course Pete Carroll was a head coach. I
think the Seahawks would go on to dominate the NFL
for the next couple of years, but this was kind
of their first step, right because they had brought in
who Matt Flynn from the Packers to be their quarterback,
they draft Russell Wilson in the third round. Russell Wilson
takes the job in training camp and the rest is history.
December twelfth or December twenty third, twenty twelve a forty
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two to thirteen result. The Seahawks beat the forty nine
Ers in that game. Russell Wilson starred. Of course, Colin
Kaepernick was held to check, was checked by the defense.
Who was the Marshaun Winch was the guy running the ball.
Robert Turbin had a good game. Dan, do you remember
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anything specifically from that game or that year that you
want to share?
Speaker 6 (32:25):
A lot from that year was they did really turn
it on at the end of the season, and they
had a game actually they played the Bills in Toronto
and destroyed Buffalo in that contest, and it was part
of a string of games where they really turned it
on late in the season. And honestly, the season is
actually really important for Seahawks fans because while at the
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time you thought it was the start of something, when
you look back, that was a year that you could
have won that you could have won it all. Like
you think, like, we're gonna have this long run, and
guess what they did the next year? They want the
Super Bowl and the year after that they ended up
losing in the Super Bowl. But that year prior, at
the time you're going through it, you're like, wow, the
future is bright, but as it's going on, you don't
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realize and how valuable that opportunity is. And now looking back,
when the Seahawks lost to the Falcons in the playoffs
about a month later after that, the forty nine Ers
actually admitted there was a bit of a sigh of
relief because they wanted nothing to do with the Seahawks
in the NFC Championship game. So a huge, huge game,
part of a season turnaround for the Seahawks that year.
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Shouldn't they turnaround? They were building, but they really took
off in that second part of that year.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Hey, Doug, you know who played in that game on
the twenty third of December that very few of us remember.
You know who is a receiver for the forty nine
ers in that game, eventual Hall of Famer Randy Moss.
He was on the forty nine ers.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Yeah, yep, he was on that forty nine ers team
eventually went to the Super Bowl and he was on that.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Team twenty twelve that was San Francisco Giants, swept the
Detroit Tigers in the World Series, right, Pablo Sondoval, Kung
Fu Panda. Didn't he win the MVP? That was twenty twelve,
wasn't it.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Gians did win in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yes, Yeah, that was the Kung Fu Panda year. He
had a precipitous decline, sure, I mean like a massive,
massive decline. He went from World Series MVP and then
they wanted again in twenty fourteen and then completely fell
off off the map after that.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
You want to know what stands out to me in
twenty twelve, jumping back to football, It's not even what
happened on the field. That's what happened off the field,
And it was Peyton Manning and the Colt's decision to
not bring him back following the next surgery. And it
was in that draft where the Seahawks took Russell Wilson,
but it was also at the top of the draft
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because the Colts were so bad without Manning because of
the next surgery, they ended up taking Andrew Luck. I mean,
I think that in that conversation of at the time,
no brainer, Actually it's no brainer. Andrew Lucky thought was
going to be an NFL top caliber NFL quarterback for
fifteen years. There was no guarantee that Peyton would be
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able to come back and return from this type of
surgery and have the success that he ended up having.
There's no reason to think that that was possible. And again,
as I've said many times on the show, it is
amazing to see the mileage that the Broncos get out
of Peyton Manning stint with that team as opposed to
the Colts, Like there's just the Broncos are squeezing that
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orange like crazy in getting so much for that four
year window. And it was that off season that ended
up setting up the franchises going in two different directions,
and didn't Peyton Manning wasn't he told by several doctors
that he could like be paralyzed for life if he
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took the wrong hit after that surgery.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I don't know if that was the case with him.
I don't remember that being the case. I truly don't.
I did. There definitely was some nerve damage and some
there are some feeling issues there, but I don't think
it was that. It feels like that was more of
the TV Hollywood Hollywood special more than what really happened.
But yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
It's the biggest It's the biggest hindsight in twenty twenty
that I look back at to say, would you would
you have it back? Because at the time, I don't
think it's as difficult as a decision as it was. Yeah,
I know jim Mercey is an emotional guy, was in tears.
I don't Manning was a part of that. They tried
to honor Peyton as much as they could, but I
don't think he really loved it because they were choosing
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someone else over him.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah. And hey, here's one thing that I'm not trying
to be not I I want to go back to
what you said about Russell Wilson. What people forget is
they got the big free agent signing at quarterback that
year in Seattle. Right, that was the Matt Flynn year.
And remember Matt Flynn. His last game with the Packers,
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he got to start instead of Aaron Rodgers and he
threw I think six touchdown passes, I want to say,
against the Detroit Lions. So right, and then his head,
his his offensive coordinator went to the Dolphins and it
was supposedly Dolphins and Seahawks, and Seahawks signed him and
My thing was like, if the if he doesn't go,
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if he doesn't go with Joe what was his name,
Joe Philbin Right, if he didn't go with Joe Philbin
to the Dolphins, Joe Filbinon knew everything to get him
at man, Joe Philbin knew he wasn't that good, and
sure enough Russell Wilson beat him out. Like, I don't
think Seattle's plan was to start Russell Wilson.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
No, and then they gave Flynn that contract. It wasn't
like sixty million dollars deck contract, but it was signal
going off to make him go there and think that
he was expected to be the starter.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yep, exactly, he was expected to be the starter and.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
He never did anything. No, he wasn't ever a starter again,
was he in the.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
He came back. I think he started one game for
the for the Packers when Aaron Rodgers got hurt one
year and when he broke his collar bone like twice
in a year. I think he came back and played
for the pack in one of those games.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
So you're bringing up Joe Filben reminds me. So wasn't
that the year that the Dolphins were the hard knocks?
And Ryan Tannehill was the focus there.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
That was yeah. That next year, yes, that next year, yes,
this was. That was also the year that Alabama played
LSU a second time. LSU had beaten them like nine
to six, I want to say, and then LSU lost
to Alabama in the National Championship Game in New Orleans
(38:57):
in the Superdome like one.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I think it was twenty two to nothing twenty one.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
That was the game.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
The score.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Okay, that was the twenty eleventh season, but the game
was twelve in twenty twelve. Yes, oh that was it.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Remember there was a game and there was like, look,
I was a big twelve fan at the time. And
Andrew Luck remember played against Oklahoma State and Oklahoma State
had lost on a missfield goal to Iowa State. Again,
this is twenty eleven, I understand. So Oklahoma State thought
they should qualify because Alabama had lost the game, and
I think they lost that home to LSU nine to six.
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Alabama got a rematch in the National Championship Game and
shut out LSU.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
The biggest story in college football in twenty twelve was
Johnny Manzel. That's when Johnny Football was born. dB date
of birth twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Also for people forget, they still lost to Alabama. I
think they lost what Florida at home.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
And ala Alabama. That's where he'd Alabama. Yeah he made Yes,
that's where he made his That's where he made his name.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
And that so Alabama didn't play LSU in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
We're talking about Johnny Manziellen, Texas A and.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
M right, That's who I'm talking about. Yes, yes, they
won twenty nine to twenty four.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
The focus was twenty twelve.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
In twenty twelve, Yes, Doug, as much as you want
to hold on to twenty eleven, we're going to move
back to twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Sorry about that's but the championship was in twenty twelve.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
The championship game from the twenty eleven season was played
in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
It feels like we keep doing this, we keep doing
the last week twenty.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Two, but that actually is twenty twelve. I'm actually doing
it right.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Well, yeah, but Andrew Luck never played a college game
in twenty twelve, Johnny, they played the Festabal Well, okay,
well that that.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
One game they lost in a miss field goal.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Mantiteo is Danny undefeated in twenty twelve, those a year
of the scandal.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah, this is the last year, my last year at ESPN,
And I remember people were giving me grief because I
was making fun of Liney Kakua, telling line Kakua jokes
all the time, and look, you can tell jokes about
somebody that doesn't actually exist.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yes, it was very funny.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yes, it was really funny. Like no, no, no, you're being offensive.
No I'm not. She doesn't exist. You can't offend somebody
who doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Well, you and I were on kind of the same track,
remember it. So that was the final year that the
Jim Rome Show was at Premiere Radio Networks. That was
your final year at ESPN. In January, the Jim Rome
Show would start on CBS Sports Radio as the lead
in for the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
This is correct, and Jim and I shared a studio
in at the Matt brother Studio in Westminster, California, as
he moved a TV show to Cbsports Network and I
had to lead off.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
In twenty twelve, Jeremy Lynn took over the Sports World.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
That was twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
According to my sources, Lynn, Sanity, Lynn, Sandy.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Wow, we should have had Holiday on about that. We
had Matt Holiday On yesterday in the podcast. So here's
what happened in twenty twelve. What time was that January?
Was that February? I think it was February. I think
it was February because it was right before the All
Star break and I remember after the All Star Break
it was like it never even happened, So maybe it
was late January. He went into the Garden. He was
(42:20):
in the Garden against the Lakers and Derek Fisher and
just destroyed Derek Fisher destroyed him. So they go to
Miami to play the Heat and he was the best
team that year and like the Heat were ready for him.
And I remember Matt was with I think Matt Carpenter
and they were training camp in where they I forget
(42:42):
where they do train camp. And he's like, hey, can
you help me get tickets? And I so I called
a bunch of people. I think we end up getting
them two that were like three rows up. And he
said that Floyd mayther Weather walked in. He said that
he must have had sixteen front Road tickets and they
showed up late and uh and you know, cause the
complete ruckus. But it was one of the it was
(43:04):
the end of insanity was when kind of like uh,
Kobe and Pippin against Tony Kuk coach. They were like, yeah,
we're gonna make a point here. That's what he did
to Jeremy Lynn. And he was never the same.
Speaker 7 (43:16):
And you know, Lisanity has that term has kind of
been repurposed in New York for who.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
It's in a different sport.
Speaker 7 (43:26):
It was no idea, Go ahead, Francisco Lindor when Yeah,
the people I've heard they used linsanity for.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
A lot doing in New York. Is you are Big
Apple Sam.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I forgot. I forgot. We're talking to Big Apple Sam.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, it's me New York all the time.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
You know, and we know this Big Apple Sam.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
You know this insanity. It's back.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Sam's got the entire New York subway system on his
back tattoos. It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
That's right to look out somewhere. I take this.
Speaker 8 (43:59):
Then you get off, you get off at Saint you
get off at Charles. That's lost and then you and
then you go and you take the Express.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
That's a win.
Speaker 8 (44:06):
Takes Express to Grand Central and then you go to
then you go cross down. Okay, you cross down to
make sure you get to you get the Penn station.
They go cross down the Grand Center. Did the Grand Center?
Then you take the metro north out out the West Point.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
We know this, you know this.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
I've got sixty seconds on golf. I unless anybody wants
to talk about basketball.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
First about Sam, did you have anything?
Speaker 7 (44:28):
Well, you know I always prepare my this year in
history Iowa Hawkeye football. Uh, it wasn't a great year.
It was it was good, Dan, you could do your golf.
Let me just give one sentence, one sentence.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
No, we're good the game one.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
That is why it wasn't a great year that you
that was last losing record four and eight.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Terrible year.
Speaker 6 (44:48):
Okay, Dan, good final four that year.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
That's when Kansas Kentucky and the championship.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
Ohio State made it Ohio State. If we were doing
twenty eleven, that would have been, uh maybe where I've gone.
But oh I State made it to the final four,
and what could have been in twenty eleven they somewhat
eventually did by getting into the final four, but blew
the game in the national semire golf.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Dan, you're kind of doing a Sami Buble.
Speaker 6 (45:10):
Watch and I ended up winning his first Masters in
twenty Ah, there you go. It's not the biggest. It's
it's not the thing that stands out to me. When
you watch golf, and you'll usually on a final round,
whatever major it is, they'll say, I used to go
to the course when I was a kid. I would,
you know, pretend this was the putt to win the
insert major that you're playing in, usually not the PGA Championship,
(45:34):
but Masters, US Open or Open Championship. What really stands
out to me in twenty twelve was what happened at
the Open Championship where Adam Scott bogied his final four holes,
allowing Ernie Els to back door a Claret jug the
second of ELS's career. But what I do think that
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it did. I think that it set Adam Scott up
for redemption the next year when he actually won the
Masters in twenty thirteen in a playoff. It's the ultimate
what if you think you can have both? But I
don't think he can. I think Adam Scott needed to
lose that major so he could go back and then
win the Masters that year.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
So we need to fill the pain before he tastes
his campaign. By the way, absolutely okay, Ernie Els. Are
there guys with smoother swings maybe, but that's a smooth swing. Yes,
Adam Scott, like Samson, I don't go that way, but
I would just say like, that's good looking man.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of people would trade
spots with Adam Scott if they could. Yeah. Yeah, ultimate gentleman. Yeah,
golf game to match. Just a great guy everything about him.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:45):
I don't like him, but had heartbreak in twenty twelve
at Royal Litham and St Anne's.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I Know That's I know this.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
This is a a part of this that I love
to do. I don't think it's popular among the crew here,
but there was one significant thing that happened in music.
I want to lower the cool jay and I just
want to play this for the listeners because I think
we could all go back to this time in place
twenty twelve. This song took over the world.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
Cy I love it.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
This song is this song is still a banger.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
Ah those TikTok videos of him jumping on stage.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Oh man, he's amazing on the stage right. Wait? Also,
what hold on, hold on, hold on hold? That was
an Olympic year, wasn't it. Yes, wasn't that Call Me
Maybe year as well?
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yes, same year, Yeah, call Me.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Which was bigger Gugnam Style or call Me Maybe?
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Oh, I think internationally gang Style I.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Can call Me Maybe was bigger. Internationally.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
I think call Me Maybe is trash.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Well, I mean this song is that good.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
This song is a banger, I think still.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
So to bring it full circle, yeah, call Me Maybe
was because all everyone did their own videos. That was
in the early days of like you know, kind of
like TikTok videos.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
And the Dolphins cheerleaders did call Me Maybe. That was viral.
Uh So it goes back to the Joe Philbin Dolphins.
I love the way we're doing this. And then member
of the swimming team, the American swimming team did call
me Maybe. That may have been the most viral. But
you're right, that was a humongous song that year. But
I think Gundam Style was the unicorn. I think it
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took over everywhere.
Speaker 6 (48:34):
And of course during the London Games they were calling
it lonsanity at that time.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
That was very good. That's so good the the move.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Can I just prove something real quick? Can I just
prove some real quick? I know that in the moment
like this summer, we think like Olympics, man, that stuff
carries on forever, man, whatever. But what's interesting is we
all know these things about twenty twelve in traditional sports.
What can you name about the twenty twelve London Games
other than call me maybe all the Olympians were doing
(49:09):
They call me maybe thing.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
I think Michael Phelps was doing some cool things.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, he was awesome. Yeah that's about it though, right, sure,
my point. Let's get to Dan Byer and get a
quick update and everything else going on sports Dan.
Speaker 6 (49:23):
No one mentioned the heats first NBA title Insanity.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Over Took referred to it, Doug referred to it.
Speaker 6 (49:29):
Okay briefly, all right, just making sure
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Top of next hour, he'll talk about the New York
Jets and the mess that they are, and of course
former Jets head coach Eric man Genie Eric Mangini will
join us as well. So we got a lot to
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get to. I mean a lot. I do feel like
this is a perfect time for a reset in regards
to something we say and use on the show. So
you understand kind of the context of this discussion. First
of all, I know, we don't talk a ton about
(01:49):
baseball anymore on National Sports Radio. We I was, I
was telling the guys before the show, I'm kind of
proud of us because we cover all the sports, you know,
we try and cover all of what matters. Whereas I
think that most sports radio shows have evolved into kind
of the marching orders of the past, which is like, look,
(02:10):
pro football is all anybody cares about, seemingly embedding the
numbers are scene for every Pro football game, and I'm
not trying to diminish like Tonight's Thursday Night Football. It's
a big game. Niners got to start to win, right
and the Seahawks Niners are always seemingly always a close game.
When the Seahawks were good and the Niners were not,
it was closed. When the Niners were great and the
Seahawks were not, it was like, that's a good football game.
(02:32):
We'll talk about. But there's something unique about baseball. Whether
it's because one hundred and six to two games, whether
it's the c n I ground ball, whether it's kind
of the use of all this all these stats and
analytical data, whatever it is. Okay, baseball is it's special.
(02:54):
It's it's absolutely special. But baseball is unique in that
so many times we can't explain what happens, right because
you think we have all these stats, all this data.
This guy hits this against lefties, this against right he's
(03:15):
you know, with this sort of account and blah blah
blah blah blah, like the compilation of data. And it's
not from a short a small sample size. Playoffs are
small sample size, right, And people are talking about Aaron
Judge and what's he doing or whatever. Obviously, you know,
Jason Stewart wants to take credit for Mookie bets because
he thinks he motivated Mooki Bets by trashy Mookie Bets
(03:37):
as a choker. Before Mookie Bets goes out and hits,
it's a two run home run to give him a
breathing room to start the game. But that's beside the point.
I use an expression called that's baseball, and I think
that's baseball you can use in life anytime something can't
be explained because history data, you know, all of this
(04:01):
research tells us one thing and the opposite happens. For example,
Vanderbilt just doesn't beat Alabama. They dominated Alabama right after
Nick Saban on National TV said Hey, the only place
it's easy to play in the SEC is Vanderbilt. And
they go and lose to Vanderbilt. And it wasn't like
their starting quarterback got hurt, like nothing happened, like they
had Ryan Williams. They made some good plays, but Vanderbilt
(04:23):
just dominated time possession and won the games. A that's baseball.
That's baseball, And I thought last night last night, you
guys can tell me if I'm wrong. The Dodgers are
out of starting arms now. Granted, the strength of this
team now is in the bullpen. But they go to
a bullpen day, they start turnstyling through pitchers, each one
(04:46):
seemingly better and more control than the next. And the hitters,
many of whom the elite ones had struggled, and they
get off to a hot start, and what seemed like
a funeral it should have been a funeral for the Dodgers,
and the Padres fans were ready to party, ready to
burn them in effigy end up taking a big l.
(05:09):
Now goes back to Chevez Ravine and we got ourselves
a winner, go home game. Last night, in so many ways,
was baseball. When you can't explain the inexplicable in the sport,
people just go, oh, hey, that's baseball, that's baseball. And
(05:29):
I gotta tell you last night, on so many levels,
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That dies baseball. Yes I'm wrong, Yes I'm wrong. I
don't think anyone know you're you're right. I don't think
anyone would deny that the Padres had all the momentum,
all the emotional momentum going into last night's game. The Dodgers,
other than a grand slam from Hernandez, had not hit
for two games. The Dodgers had Freddie Freeman as a
(05:57):
late scratch. Their third place hitter was a late scratch
the dogs.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Just there, Okay. Freddie Freeman is the unquestioned I think
he's kind of regal in his leadership. Right, he's first base,
he's a stud in the field. He's just like Freddy
Freeman is the picture of like solid, right solid. I
mean he is the mister dependable. He's been playing through injury.
(06:24):
Now even Freddy can't go. You're like, oh boy, we
don't have Freddy. And they go out and whoop their butts.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Sorry, go ahead with eight relievers.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Eight relievers pitch a shutout in an eight to nothing game.
Mookie Bets hits a home run. Mookie Betts gets another
base hit, Will Smith finally got a hit, Like, you
just didn't see any of that coming. And to me,
and this was your concept. You know, we're all about
giving credit on the show. This was a Doug Gottlieb concept.
(06:54):
That's baseball, Like, sums this game up. Because I was
convinced that we were not coming back to Los Angeles,
and we are.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
We absolutely are. Man, was that fun? And again I'm
not People ask me all the time, like, well you
Dodgers or Padres, Like I don't really like the Padres act,
but I can't sit here and lie to you and
tell you like I'm a true blue Dodger fan. I
like going to Dodger games. I love Chevez Ravine, like
Petco as well. But I've been an Angel guy, which is,
(07:26):
by the way, squarely in the middle between Dodger Stadium
and Petco. So I don't really have a bone to pick.
I do think there's an interesting dichotomy between the two teams,
and usually what you have is this within a team.
And Freddie, by the way, was this guy when he
was in Atlanta. Right, many of the younger players, and
(07:48):
even many of the Latin players, Dominican players, players South America,
Central America, they played with a lot more flash, a
lot more panache, and a lot more kind of in
your face. Those are the pitchers that had the flamboyant
strike out when they're on the mound and the bat
flips when the bat flips when they hit home runs,
(08:10):
as well as a little bit more style when they're
in the field. Right, this is it. And if you
want to tell me that I'm making something up, then
you're exposing yourself as not understanding the culture of baseball.
Whereas the older players, and again some of it is
the American born players, but the older players of baseball
always talk about playing the right way, not pimping home runs.
(08:30):
You can celebrate, but there's this difference between celebrating and
showing somebody up. There's a fine line there, right, Those
are the unwritten rules of baseball, et cetera. Well, the padres.
Usually this happens within a team, and the successful teams
find ways for everybody to succeed. And usually those teams
end up acting and playing quote unquote the right way
(08:52):
once they get to the playoffs because they have a
proper order. The veterans keep the keep the young guys
from acting out of place. This is the difference between
the two teams. Right, shoe a Otani was tecked rightfully
so because the third base umpire was trying to get
(09:12):
out of the way of a deflected ball. It hits
off of the third base umpire and that's why he
gets pegged at home right, But while he yells at
the umpire once he got to the dugout. The difference
between show hey and for example, a padre is you'd
think a padre would do that while he's still on
the field, and though they kicked the hell out of
(09:35):
the Padres and Mookie hit a home run? Did he
pimp the home run when he hit it? So you
almost have kind of the culture war as well as
the you know, the war of the the the Dodgers
who have dominated the vision, but the Padres who right now,
based upon health of pitching staff, appear to be the
(09:57):
better team. You have two things going at once. And
oh yeah, by the way, I thought you nailed it.
The emotional momentum, whether you think baseball has momentum or not.
I like, again, I don't know what the stats tell you,
but it did feel a lot like what Daniel Jeremiah,
who I know is an NFL analyst but is a
Padre fan and he joined us yesterday. It did feel
like what he said is true and that the Dodgers,
(10:19):
deep down inside know Padres are better currently. And yet
it wasn't close. It was domination, and it was the
Dodgers forcing a game five. Do you know why, Sam?
Do you know why?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
That's baseball?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's right, that's baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
This is the best of the Don dot Lead Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
What up Doug Otleig Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know
it's it's really really interesting that you know Aaron Rodgers.
Obviously today they they demoted Nathaniel Hackett from play caller
to I guess just check collector, quasi quarterback coach. Aaron
(11:08):
Rodgers buddy in the in the film room with the Jets.
But it is interesting, like we do this all the
time where we talk about player empowerment, and I mean,
how many of these great players don't know anything about
personnel decisions. Remember Aaron Rodgers when he left the Packers,
(11:29):
he talked about all of the different guys that he was,
you know, upset that the Packers let go and all
of them, Like if you go back and look at him,
like none of them were guys that it made sense
for them to keep, you know, none of them. None.
And you know, Alan Lazard's a nice player, but I
(11:52):
mean they he's not a number two. I mean, of
the guys they've brought back out of familiarity, none of
them are good enough or difference makers offensively. And then
you know he ties his ship to Nathaniel Hackett, who's
not a good play caller. Remember he's in Denver, he
(12:12):
can't get the plays in on time. He's in New
York this last week they're in London. He couldn't get
the plays in on time. And the lack of motion.
Like again, remember go back to the Mike McCarthy era
when it came to the end. This is the same offense,
and the whole argument with it against it was it
was way too basic, way too lame, way too dated,
(12:34):
not enough pre snap note motion right, And remember Matt
Lafleur came in and he's like, look the whole quarterback
like basically kind of a Brett Favre. I want it
super basic and then I got the superpowers. I'll figure
it out. Like that doesn't work anymore. It just doesn't.
(12:54):
The defenses are too advanced, too advanced. So I just
it's really interesting on how many people in our positions
in the media say, yeah, you got a player in power,
Yeah you should bring him in on these decisions. Why
that's not what he does. Yeah, I mean every once
(13:18):
in a while you go like, hey, man, you've been
working this guy. What do you think. That's one thing,
But like going and acquiring players because you like him,
because he's your guy, because you work out with like,
that doesn't work. Player personnel people, that's all they do.
They get up in the morning and they watch film,
they talk to people, and they do research. They try
and find with fiscal and again, it doesn't mean that
(13:39):
there's one hundred percent hit rate, but that's their job.
And I think again the Nathaniel Hackett to motion and
essentially disaster, right is it? Okay? Okay call him disaster
And look, Aaron is not without fault, is not without flaw.
He's not as good a quarterback as he was in
Green Bay because he's older, he's gone through it. I
(14:00):
get this is a huge injury some used to be
a career ending injury. But every time I hear people
basketball players and football players the most time about player empowerment,
bring them in in the decision making process. I give
you Aaron Rodgers. Because Aaron Rodgers is not an idiot.
He is a really, really bright guy and right probably
(14:24):
too smart for his own good conspiracy theorist and you know,
I mean, I'm sure he's got all kinds of theories
on who really shot Kennedy and et cetera, et cetera,
But he's not an idiot. He's actually super super smart
and he's a great, all time great quarterback in his
prime Aaron Rodgers literally checked every single box as a player.
(14:46):
Boxes that even Tom Brady was good in the clutch,
unbelievable arm strength, accuracy, athleticism, pre staff reeds, being able
to improvise, and secondary tertiary reads like the whole thing
had the whole package. But you know what he's not.
He's not probably a personnel guy. He's just not. And
(15:09):
pretty obviously he his loyalty to Nathaniel Hackett is at
least part and parcel to the disaster which is the
Jets offense. All right, let's get back to football. Eric
Mangini joins us. Of course, Eric was a longtime assistant
in the NFL, head coach of the Jets, head coach
of the Browns, and he joins us in the Doug
(15:29):
Gotlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Eric, I would
be an indulgent obviously, it's an experience that you know,
you've worked in that organization. I just what are your
thoughts on how it went down with Robert Sala being
let go?
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Well, it doesn't totally surprise me what He fired me
after going nine to seven, and I had, you know,
Brett Farva and he had gotten hurt and then we
had a pretty good team, so him moving on in
this I thought the fact that he brought Robert back
this year was surprising, but for him to fire him
(16:02):
when he did, it's not really It's not really Wood,
He's at MO. He's never fired a head coach during
the season. Really, the Jets organization as a whole has
never fired a head coach during the season. I think
one guy one that coach left like in nineteen seventy six,
So that's out of the pattern. But the game was
in the UK. What he was the ambassador to the UK,
(16:24):
I'm sure he wanted you know, he had his friends there.
He wanted a good showing. This comes on the heels
of the really disappointed Denver Broccos loss which throughout the
course of this season. When you consider what the expectations
were going into it versus where they are and the
disappointing losses, I think, I think what he just impulsively
(16:49):
decided he was going to bry some something different.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
What diding Aaron Rodgers role in this was.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Well, Aaron didn't really hide the fact that that he
didn't love Robert Salah at all. And there are multiple
examples of Aaron taking every opportunity to either embarrass Robert
or contradict him. And and Aaron's constantly preaching about, you know,
(17:18):
the focuses need to be on football and and you
know all the things that you'd want from your quarterback.
But yet he creates a lot of the distractions and
animosity in the way that that he was responding. And
and maybe they didn't fit personality wise, but I'm sure
(17:40):
he didn't do much to say Robert in the end.
And the idea that he talked to would eve the
night before Robert was let go, and it never came
up it.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Listen, listen, I mean, well, hold on, here's the guy
who wanted wanted player personnel decision making. Here's the guy
who said his big issue with Green Bay was nobody
told him anything when they're drafting Jordan Love or what
they were, they're cutting his friends or whatever, so he
wanted to be in the know. He talks to the
owner of the team the night before they fired the
(18:13):
head coach, and it didn't come up like.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Any I'm just gonna dramatically change the organization tomorrow, which
is going to affect you and then everybody else that
you deal with on a daily basis. But I'm not
going to cover that in the call that we have.
I'm just checking in to see how you're doing really
really things. That seems pretty far fetched. And even when
(18:40):
he talked about it, he denied it like he was
like a politician was denying something, not really someone.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Who why not just why not just own it? Why
not just go like, listen, I've played for championship level teams,
i played for a lot of coaches. We just we this,
we're not there? Why I just own it? I mean,
especially for a guy that likes to say that he
tells the truth, that he's the honest broker, why not
just own it?
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Okay, but you know, it's a little bit of a
may West rule. If you've got to tell someone you're
a lady, you're not. So I've always telling everybody how
you tell the truth? You know, that's that's a that's
a red flag right there. And then if you're going
to own anything, own your own performance, own all the
multiple interceptions, Own the distractions you've created, Own the things
(19:29):
that you could have done better throughout this process. And look,
it's it's easy to fire people. The firing people are
is simple. It's it's putting the pieces together after you transition.
But that's the hard part. And maybe this will be
a shot of adrenaline for the organization, and then that
(19:52):
happens at times, and they have the talent to win
the division. It's not like the division is clearly running
away with his vision by any stretch. And Miami's got
their set of problems, and New England's got their set
of problems. So it's it's all in front of them.
But you still got to find the answers. And one
(20:14):
of the biggest answers is he needs to play better.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
He does need to play better, and it's it's fascinating,
like the intercept, the overthrows and wide open guys, and
here's the guy that pride himself on accuracy and not
turning the football over, and what do you do. He
turned the football over and has been inaccurate in some
key moments. Eric Mangini is our guest. You can see
him on Fox Sports One of course. Uh it's a
two time head coach, longtime defense assistant, most notably with
(20:41):
the New Eland Patriots Joints and the Doug otleb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Let me ask about the Patriots,
they're gonna hand the ball to May. What do you
think about the timing?
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Well, he great has a real advantage over Taylor Williams
and Jaydon Daniels. He's had He's had five weeks to
sit and watch things and learn how to be a pro.
And ideally you'd like to have a young quarterback who
could sit on the bench and learn what it means
(21:15):
to play professional football and all the aspects to it.
It's a huge transition for a young player, a rookie player.
It's an even bigger transition for a quarterback. The value
of information and you have to know offensively, the adjustments
that come to play, the volumes of defenses that you're facing,
the you know week in and week out versus what
(21:38):
you saw in college, which is a lot a lot
more paired down. So there's a ton but he has
had that time to watch, and we're seeing two guys
that are you know, Caleb is coming on. I think
he's getting a little bit better each week and has
shown some flashes of being a really good player. And
(21:58):
we know what Jaden's doing in Washington. So from a
from a fan based perspective, from an ownership perspective. You're
looking at it and saying, well, other quarterbacks have done well,
young quarterbacks who were drafted high. Why not why not
see whether our guy can change things. It makes It
(22:21):
makes a lot of sense. It's not perfect, but I
understand why they're doing them, making.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Them move now. Niners taking on the Seahawks tonight. Niners
have been you know, they lost three out of four here,
so they've been given a pass because of injuries. Should
they have been given that pass?
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yeah, I don't see them as getting a pass. I
really felt that Arizona was a game where they could
be upset. That was my pick last week on the
show for an upset alert, because when you look at
the Cardinals, you know, it was easy to look past
them to the fact that they had the Seahawks on
Thursday night on a short week. Kyler Murray's playing the
(23:01):
best football that he's played since he's been in the league. Statistically,
they run the ball really well, and then San Francisco
gets into the game and there's a bunch of things
that happen. They lose their kicker. They're in the red
zone six times, you know, and most of the time
without their kicker, they fumble on the eight yard line.
There were a lot of things that when you're not
(23:25):
completely dialed in on the opponent, can happen in a
game that they should have easily won, and it didn't,
and I think they were looking past them to this
day tonight. In terms of injuries. Yeah, so they don't
have Christian mc McCaffrey, but Jordan Mason's done a great job.
(23:47):
He's done a really good job, and they're running the
ball effectively. Brandon Aiyuta has been disappointing. He got his money,
but it's really taken him multiple games to get to
the actually that we saw last week where he finally
would have eight eight catches last game, where you've been
kind of the invisible man prior to that. Yeah, so
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they're there, they've been dinged up, but they shouldn't get
a pass to that at all. They still have a
ton of stars and a ton of really good players,
and it's it's pretty disappointing to have the start that
they've had, and especially being all and three. In the NFC.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Eric Mangini
is our guest. Course former head coach of the Jets,
former head coach of the Browns. I gotta ask you
what the Browns I mean, Okay, what do you do
with this Deshaun Watson albatross of a contract?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Is this is this is a nightmare. I'm really happy
I'm not the head coach of the Bronx with this
situation because there is no good answer. You can't move
on from him next year, even because I think it's
it's some ridiculous amount of money on next year's cap
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followed up by another year of a ridiculous amount of
money on the sellar cap. And I understand why they
keep pushing money into the future and haven't been paid
to go because their assumption is as the salary cap grow.
So let's say it gets bigger by thirty million dollars
next year, the dead money won't be as bad whenever
they pull that trigger. We saw that Russell Wilson dead
(25:29):
money was what eighty five million dollars. That set a
new bar. This would completely set a dramatic new bar.
But at least the CAP's growing, and now they're in
a situation where he's not playing well. They've got Jamis
Winston on the bench, who's an exciting player. Now he's
going to be exciting for you, and he's going to
be exciting for the other team too because you're going
(25:52):
to throw touchdowns and picks. But it gives them a
chance to do something. But right now, it's just it's
like it's just lethargic, the whole the whole operation, the
level of enthusiasm. And I'm sure it's because everybody in
that building knows we can't do anything about this glaring
(26:13):
problem that we have.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It's just, I mean, it's he's done more to hurt
NFL quarterbacks going forward than probably anybody. Right Like he
finally broke through, got the fully guaranteed five year deal,
and it's an abject disaster. I do want to ask
you about that.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson helped that out with the deal
he got in Denver and his performance. So this it
was like that year of contrast set the uh you know,
it's set a great new bar for quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, but then they keep keep doing it. But but
they keep doing it like you give two a big
deal like we have, we give two of this gigantic deal.
Now he's he's out. Who knows if he's going to retire.
What he's gonna do.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I mean, yeah, you look at you look at two
of the deal Doug he had he had an injury
that could be career ending, and to his credit, he
went through the whole year without being injured. But that
doesn't go away, like the injury risk doesn't go away.
And they could have played him on the fifth year
option and then franchised them. But you give him a
(27:15):
new deal and I'm happy for to it. So it's
a great situation for the player, not great business for
the club.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Okay, the Vikings are unefeated, right, and you know you
got a i know for a Patriot who's a four
backup quarterback as their head coach. You know, you know,
they got a general manager came from San Francisco, really
bright young guy, and they've kind of remade this roster.
But your impressions as a coach, what do you see
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with the Vikings in terms of the longevity of this
early season success.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Well, remember when Philly last year was ten and one,
and then I think Pittsburgh the year before was somewhere
similar to that, and they had a lot of yeahs.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
You're like, don't know, whateless.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, look like.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
When game stocks. When game stocks stock game stops stock
went way high, You're like, yeah, I'm not buying that.
Is that what you are?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Yeah, well it's I'm happy for Sam Darnold, but traditionally,
over the course of his college and pro career, he's
throwing about as many interceptions as he's thrown touchdowns. And really,
when you look at his turnovers this season, I still
think he's I think he's about third in the league
and turnovers between bumbles and picks. So that's not going
(28:36):
to go away, and that's going to be a problem.
Where they've been able to offset that problem is defensively.
They're generating a ton of turnovers and they do it
with us with either the second or third most press
in the league on first and second down. I imagine
that teams are going to catch up with the pressure
package and there are going to be some holes and
(28:58):
there are either going to be those games where Sam's
gonna gonna have to carry things, and there's gonna be
those games where his turnovers are a lot greater than
what the defense can generate. You know, traditionally turnovers come
in bunches, but it's hard to count on those game
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in and game out. You know, you know, if you're
good on third down, you're usually good on third down turnovers.
It's not as consistent as statistic that you can count
on to the course of the season, although with Sam's turnovers,
historically those have remained pretty constant. So I don't I
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don't know if I'm as excited as everybody else is
about Minnesota. I think it's great. I didn't see it coming,
but it's a long season and I don't know if
it's sustainable.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Eric, great to catch up with you on radio, man,
awesome stuff. Is always truly appreciate your time, no.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Worries that have a great week of math. I just said.
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Speaker 1 (30:06):
App stug Ott Leap Show. Fox Sports Radio got an
update coming from our guy Dan Byer about eleven minutes away.
Maybe maybe a little bit less in the meantime. You know,
if you look on social media, they call it throwback Thursday,
but we like to say, don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
What year we throwing it back to?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
There, Jason, we're gonna take the time machine back to
twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Think about what you were doing in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Now, we have a big Seahawks fan on the show
here in Dan Byer, so he could fact check me
at every step here. But I want to take it
specifically back to a December game in twenty twelve where
a rookie quarterback played the eventual division champion San Francisco
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forty nine Ers. Russell Wilson, in his rookie year played
the forty nine Ers coach by John Harbaugh, quarterbacked by
Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Harbaugh.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
That's what I meant. That's what Dan's here for. You
need to fact check all this stuff. I get a
little loose with the details. I'm overall entertaining, but I'm
not good on the details. Hold on, hold on, yep,
thank you, thank.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You, Dan.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
So, of course Pete Carroll was a head coach. I
think the Seahawks would go on to dominate the NFL
for the next couple of years, but this was kind
of their first step, right because they had brought in
who Matt Flynn from the Packers to be their quarterback,
they draft Russell Wilson in the third round. Russell Wilson
takes the job in training camp and the rest is history.
December twelfth or December twenty third, twenty twelve a forty
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two to thirteen result. The Seahawks beat the forty nine
Ers in that game. Russell Wilson starred. Of course, Colin
Kaepernick was held to check, was checked by the defense.
Who was the Marshaun Winch was the guy running the ball.
Robert Turbin had a good game. Dan, do you remember
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anything specifically from that game or that year that you
want to share?
Speaker 6 (32:25):
A lot from that year was they did really turn
it on at the end of the season, and they
had a game actually they played the Bills in Toronto
and destroyed Buffalo in that contest, and it was part
of a string of games where they really turned it
on late in the season. And honestly, the season is
actually really important for Seahawks fans because while at the
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time you thought it was the start of something, when
you look back, that was a year that you could
have won that you could have won it all. Like
you think, like, we're gonna have this long run, and
guess what they did the next year? They want the
Super Bowl and the year after that they ended up
losing in the Super Bowl. But that year prior, at
the time you're going through it, you're like, wow, the
future is bright, but as it's going on, you don't
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realize and how valuable that opportunity is. And now looking back,
when the Seahawks lost to the Falcons in the playoffs
about a month later after that, the forty nine Ers
actually admitted there was a bit of a sigh of
relief because they wanted nothing to do with the Seahawks
in the NFC Championship game. So a huge, huge game,
part of a season turnaround for the Seahawks that year.
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Shouldn't they turnaround? They were building, but they really took
off in that second part of that year.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Hey, Doug, you know who played in that game on
the twenty third of December that very few of us remember.
You know who is a receiver for the forty nine
ers in that game, eventual Hall of Famer Randy Moss.
He was on the forty nine ers.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Yeah, yep, he was on that forty nine ers team
eventually went to the Super Bowl and he was on that.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Team twenty twelve that was San Francisco Giants, swept the
Detroit Tigers in the World Series, right, Pablo Sondoval, Kung
Fu Panda. Didn't he win the MVP? That was twenty twelve,
wasn't it.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Gians did win in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yes, Yeah, that was the Kung Fu Panda year. He
had a precipitous decline, sure, I mean like a massive,
massive decline. He went from World Series MVP and then
they wanted again in twenty fourteen and then completely fell
off off the map after that.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
You want to know what stands out to me in
twenty twelve, jumping back to football, It's not even what
happened on the field. That's what happened off the field,
And it was Peyton Manning and the Colt's decision to
not bring him back following the next surgery. And it
was in that draft where the Seahawks took Russell Wilson,
but it was also at the top of the draft
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because the Colts were so bad without Manning because of
the next surgery, they ended up taking Andrew Luck. I mean,
I think that in that conversation of at the time,
no brainer, Actually it's no brainer. Andrew Lucky thought was
going to be an NFL top caliber NFL quarterback for
fifteen years. There was no guarantee that Peyton would be
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able to come back and return from this type of
surgery and have the success that he ended up having.
There's no reason to think that that was possible. And again,
as I've said many times on the show, it is
amazing to see the mileage that the Broncos get out
of Peyton Manning stint with that team as opposed to
the Colts, Like there's just the Broncos are squeezing that
(35:42):
orange like crazy in getting so much for that four
year window. And it was that off season that ended
up setting up the franchises going in two different directions,
and didn't Peyton Manning wasn't he told by several doctors
that he could like be paralyzed for life if he
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took the wrong hit after that surgery.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I don't know if that was the case with him.
I don't remember that being the case. I truly don't.
I did. There definitely was some nerve damage and some
there are some feeling issues there, but I don't think
it was that. It feels like that was more of
the TV Hollywood Hollywood special more than what really happened.
But yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
It's the biggest It's the biggest hindsight in twenty twenty
that I look back at to say, would you would
you have it back? Because at the time, I don't
think it's as difficult as a decision as it was. Yeah,
I know jim Mercey is an emotional guy, was in tears.
I don't Manning was a part of that. They tried
to honor Peyton as much as they could, but I
don't think he really loved it because they were choosing
(36:50):
someone else over him.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah. And hey, here's one thing that I'm not trying
to be not I I want to go back to
what you said about Russell Wilson. What people forget is
they got the big free agent signing at quarterback that
year in Seattle. Right, that was the Matt Flynn year.
And remember Matt Flynn. His last game with the Packers,
(37:14):
he got to start instead of Aaron Rodgers and he
threw I think six touchdown passes, I want to say,
against the Detroit Lions. So right, and then his head,
his his offensive coordinator went to the Dolphins and it
was supposedly Dolphins and Seahawks, and Seahawks signed him and
My thing was like, if the if he doesn't go,
(37:36):
if he doesn't go with Joe what was his name,
Joe Philbin Right, if he didn't go with Joe Philbin
to the Dolphins, Joe Filbinon knew everything to get him
at man, Joe Philbin knew he wasn't that good, and
sure enough Russell Wilson beat him out. Like, I don't
think Seattle's plan was to start Russell Wilson.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
No, and then they gave Flynn that contract. It wasn't
like sixty million dollars deck contract, but it was signal
going off to make him go there and think that
he was expected to be the starter.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yep, exactly, he was expected to be the starter and.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
He never did anything. No, he wasn't ever a starter again,
was he in the.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
He came back. I think he started one game for
the for the Packers when Aaron Rodgers got hurt one
year and when he broke his collar bone like twice
in a year. I think he came back and played
for the pack in one of those games.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
So you're bringing up Joe Filben reminds me. So wasn't
that the year that the Dolphins were the hard knocks?
And Ryan Tannehill was the focus there.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
That was yeah. That next year, yes, that next year, yes,
this was. That was also the year that Alabama played
LSU a second time. LSU had beaten them like nine
to six, I want to say, and then LSU lost
to Alabama in the National Championship Game in New Orleans
(38:57):
in the Superdome like one.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I think it was twenty two to nothing twenty one.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
That was the game.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
The score.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Okay, that was the twenty eleventh season, but the game
was twelve in twenty twelve. Yes, oh that was it.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Remember there was a game and there was like, look,
I was a big twelve fan at the time. And
Andrew Luck remember played against Oklahoma State and Oklahoma State
had lost on a missfield goal to Iowa State. Again,
this is twenty eleven, I understand. So Oklahoma State thought
they should qualify because Alabama had lost the game, and
I think they lost that home to LSU nine to six.
(39:31):
Alabama got a rematch in the National Championship Game and
shut out LSU.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
The biggest story in college football in twenty twelve was
Johnny Manzel. That's when Johnny Football was born. dB date
of birth twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Also for people forget, they still lost to Alabama. I
think they lost what Florida at home.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
And ala Alabama. That's where he'd Alabama. Yeah he made Yes,
that's where he made his That's where he made his name.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
And that so Alabama didn't play LSU in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
We're talking about Johnny Manziellen, Texas A and.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
M right, That's who I'm talking about. Yes, yes, they
won twenty nine to twenty four.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
The focus was twenty twelve.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
In twenty twelve, Yes, Doug, as much as you want
to hold on to twenty eleven, we're going to move
back to twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Sorry about that's but the championship was in twenty twelve.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
The championship game from the twenty eleven season was played
in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
It feels like we keep doing this, we keep doing
the last week twenty.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Two, but that actually is twenty twelve. I'm actually doing
it right.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Well, yeah, but Andrew Luck never played a college game
in twenty twelve, Johnny, they played the Festabal Well, okay,
well that that.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
One game they lost in a miss field goal.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Mantiteo is Danny undefeated in twenty twelve, those a year
of the scandal.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah, this is the last year, my last year at ESPN,
And I remember people were giving me grief because I
was making fun of Liney Kakua, telling line Kakua jokes
all the time, and look, you can tell jokes about
somebody that doesn't actually exist.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yes, it was very funny.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yes, it was really funny. Like no, no, no, you're being offensive.
No I'm not. She doesn't exist. You can't offend somebody
who doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Well, you and I were on kind of the same track,
remember it. So that was the final year that the
Jim Rome Show was at Premiere Radio Networks. That was
your final year at ESPN. In January, the Jim Rome
Show would start on CBS Sports Radio as the lead
in for the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
This is correct, and Jim and I shared a studio
in at the Matt brother Studio in Westminster, California, as
he moved a TV show to Cbsports Network and I
had to lead off.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
In twenty twelve, Jeremy Lynn took over the Sports World.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
That was twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
According to my sources, Lynn, Sanity, Lynn, Sandy.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Wow, we should have had Holiday on about that. We
had Matt Holiday On yesterday in the podcast. So here's
what happened in twenty twelve. What time was that January?
Was that February? I think it was February. I think
it was February because it was right before the All
Star break and I remember after the All Star Break
it was like it never even happened, So maybe it
was late January. He went into the Garden. He was
(42:20):
in the Garden against the Lakers and Derek Fisher and
just destroyed Derek Fisher destroyed him. So they go to
Miami to play the Heat and he was the best
team that year and like the Heat were ready for him.
And I remember Matt was with I think Matt Carpenter
and they were training camp in where they I forget
(42:42):
where they do train camp. And he's like, hey, can
you help me get tickets? And I so I called
a bunch of people. I think we end up getting
them two that were like three rows up. And he
said that Floyd mayther Weather walked in. He said that
he must have had sixteen front Road tickets and they
showed up late and uh and you know, cause the
complete ruckus. But it was one of the it was
(43:04):
the end of insanity was when kind of like uh,
Kobe and Pippin against Tony Kuk coach. They were like, yeah,
we're gonna make a point here. That's what he did
to Jeremy Lynn. And he was never the same.
Speaker 7 (43:16):
And you know, Lisanity has that term has kind of
been repurposed in New York for who.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
It's in a different sport.
Speaker 7 (43:26):
It was no idea, Go ahead, Francisco Lindor when Yeah,
the people I've heard they used linsanity for.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
A lot doing in New York. Is you are Big
Apple Sam.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I forgot. I forgot. We're talking to Big Apple Sam.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, it's me New York all the time.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
You know, and we know this Big Apple Sam.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
You know this insanity. It's back.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Sam's got the entire New York subway system on his
back tattoos. It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
That's right to look out somewhere. I take this.
Speaker 8 (43:59):
Then you get off, you get off at Saint you
get off at Charles. That's lost and then you and
then you go and you take the Express.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
That's a win.
Speaker 8 (44:06):
Takes Express to Grand Central and then you go to
then you go cross down. Okay, you cross down to
make sure you get to you get the Penn station.
They go cross down the Grand Center. Did the Grand Center?
Then you take the metro north out out the West Point.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
We know this, you know this.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
I've got sixty seconds on golf. I unless anybody wants
to talk about basketball.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
First about Sam, did you have anything?
Speaker 7 (44:28):
Well, you know I always prepare my this year in
history Iowa Hawkeye football. Uh, it wasn't a great year.
It was it was good, Dan, you could do your golf.
Let me just give one sentence, one sentence.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
No, we're good the game one.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
That is why it wasn't a great year that you
that was last losing record four and eight.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Terrible year.
Speaker 6 (44:48):
Okay, Dan, good final four that year.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
That's when Kansas Kentucky and the championship.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
Ohio State made it Ohio State. If we were doing
twenty eleven, that would have been, uh maybe where I've gone.
But oh I State made it to the final four,
and what could have been in twenty eleven they somewhat
eventually did by getting into the final four, but blew
the game in the national semire golf.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Dan, you're kind of doing a Sami Buble.
Speaker 6 (45:10):
Watch and I ended up winning his first Masters in
twenty Ah, there you go. It's not the biggest. It's
it's not the thing that stands out to me. When
you watch golf, and you'll usually on a final round,
whatever major it is, they'll say, I used to go
to the course when I was a kid. I would,
you know, pretend this was the putt to win the
insert major that you're playing in, usually not the PGA Championship,
(45:34):
but Masters, US Open or Open Championship. What really stands
out to me in twenty twelve was what happened at
the Open Championship where Adam Scott bogied his final four holes,
allowing Ernie Els to back door a Claret jug the
second of ELS's career. But what I do think that
(45:55):
it did. I think that it set Adam Scott up
for redemption the next year when he actually won the
Masters in twenty thirteen in a playoff. It's the ultimate
what if you think you can have both? But I
don't think he can. I think Adam Scott needed to
lose that major so he could go back and then
win the Masters that year.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
So we need to fill the pain before he tastes
his campaign. By the way, absolutely okay, Ernie Els. Are
there guys with smoother swings maybe, but that's a smooth swing. Yes,
Adam Scott, like Samson, I don't go that way, but
I would just say like, that's good looking man.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of people would trade
spots with Adam Scott if they could. Yeah. Yeah, ultimate gentleman. Yeah,
golf game to match. Just a great guy everything about him.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:45):
I don't like him, but had heartbreak in twenty twelve
at Royal Litham and St Anne's.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I Know That's I know this.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
This is a a part of this that I love
to do. I don't think it's popular among the crew here,
but there was one significant thing that happened in music.
I want to lower the cool jay and I just
want to play this for the listeners because I think
we could all go back to this time in place
twenty twelve. This song took over the world.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
Cy I love it.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
This song is this song is still a banger.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
Ah those TikTok videos of him jumping on stage.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Oh man, he's amazing on the stage right. Wait? Also,
what hold on, hold on, hold on hold? That was
an Olympic year, wasn't it. Yes, wasn't that Call Me
Maybe year as well?
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yes, same year, Yeah, call Me.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Which was bigger Gugnam Style or call Me Maybe?
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Oh, I think internationally gang Style I.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Can call Me Maybe was bigger. Internationally.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
I think call Me Maybe is trash.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Well, I mean this song is that good.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
This song is a banger, I think still.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
So to bring it full circle, yeah, call Me Maybe
was because all everyone did their own videos. That was
in the early days of like you know, kind of
like TikTok videos.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
And the Dolphins cheerleaders did call Me Maybe. That was viral.
Uh So it goes back to the Joe Philbin Dolphins.
I love the way we're doing this. And then member
of the swimming team, the American swimming team did call
me Maybe. That may have been the most viral. But
you're right, that was a humongous song that year. But
I think Gundam Style was the unicorn. I think it
(48:32):
took over everywhere.
Speaker 6 (48:34):
And of course during the London Games they were calling
it lonsanity at that time.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
That was very good. That's so good the the move.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Can I just prove something real quick? Can I just
prove some real quick? I know that in the moment
like this summer, we think like Olympics, man, that stuff
carries on forever, man, whatever. But what's interesting is we
all know these things about twenty twelve in traditional sports.
What can you name about the twenty twelve London Games
other than call me maybe all the Olympians were doing
(49:09):
They call me maybe thing.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
I think Michael Phelps was doing some cool things.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, he was awesome. Yeah that's about it though, right, sure,
my point. Let's get to Dan Byer and get a
quick update and everything else going on sports Dan.
Speaker 6 (49:23):
No one mentioned the heats first NBA title Insanity.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Over Took referred to it, Doug referred to it.
Speaker 6 (49:29):
Okay briefly, all right, just making sure
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