August 18, 2022 • 50 mins
On the Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to the news of the settlement by the NFL and NFLPA that includes a 11-game suspension and a $5M fine. Doug thinks this was a win for Deshaun Watson.
The iconic Ice Cube joins Doug to talk about his Big 3's championship weekend coming up, the Lakers, and his great career.
Doug gives his extended thoughts on the Deshaun Watson settlement.
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what's to talk about today? Oh? The Yankees win? All right?
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Talk about the Yankees? Now we're come on. Oh, I
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day because this has been a gigantic story in the
National Football League for the last year and a half recently,
and now we have some form of closure or at
least decisive action agreed to by both sides in the
Deshaun Watson case. Get to that. In one moment, you
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a settlement with the league, NFL, NFL p A and
Deshaun Watson's people have reached this settlement. Eleven games, five
million dollars. Eleven games, five million dollars, And we've heard
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from DeShawn today. I don't think it was great in
terms of meeting with the media and not having any
PR person with him. I think that was a that
was not a great It was not a great idea.
There have been good there have been some great ideas.
That was not one of them. But still Deshaun Watson
did it. Talk to the media. Here's what he said
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in regards to his own innocence. I've always stood on
my innocence and always said that I've never assaulted anyone
or disuspected anyone, and I'm continued to stand on that.
But at the same time, I have to continue to
push forward with my life in my career, and for
us to be able to move forward, you know, I
have to be able to take steps and pit prior
to the side. And I'm gonna continue to stand on
my innocence and keep pushing forward. And I've always, you know,
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stood on not disuspecting or sexual assaulting anyone. This is
him trying to clarify what exactly he apologized for. I
apologize beforehand. I think the second time I spoke to
you guys, I actually apologized, but I think for some
people it didn't uh maybe register as I as I
was apologizing, but you know, I just wanted to clarify,
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you know, I was apologized to all women and people
that was affected about this situation because it's, uh, you know,
it's it's definitely a tough situation. This is a follow
up when he was asked what exactly he was apologizing
for for everyone that was affected about this situation. There
was a lot of people that was triggered, but not
the women accuse you. Listen, I'm apologized to all women,
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so anybody that was affected, even yourself, every everything. So
I'm apologizing to everyone that was affected about this whole situation.
Just blanket apology, I'm sorry, which is actually a good
way for a man to wake up and during the day,
right you wake up and just go, man, I'm sorry
for what I don't know. But this is obviously far
more uh uh, far more important than just the blanket
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dude apology in the morning. Um, I think this is
really interesting. You know, I could play for you what
Andrew Berry is saying. I could play all that stuff.
But now you've heard from Deshaun Watson, You've obviously you
know the case. What do we make of it? I'm
gonna give you my opinion first. Okay, they're gonna go
around the room. We get a chance it might work
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at a phone call eight seven seven nine nine. Fox
will work on the little Twitter machine at Gottlieb Show,
which you got the Facebook page that's the Doug Gotlip
Show fan page, and we'll just kind of let's let's
do it sort of old school organic, like this is
a big story. The first thing is that, uh, and
it's a very important distinction. Okay, settling and apologizing does
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not mean you did anything wrong. It doesn't, And I
will I will agree with Deshaun Watson in what he said.
I do think it's really hard and you have to
be very You have to have what what's been termed
to me social jiu jitsu, right, you have to You
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have to be delicate and yet forceful. You have to
use guile and positioning in order to get it across
what you're trying to get across, maintain a level of
sensitivity while maintaining your innocence as well. Okay, so the
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idea is this that settling and this isn't It's really important, right,
Settling is not an admission of guilt. Apologizing and the
way in which she apologized is not an admission of guilt.
That said, it doesn't wipe him free of suspicion or
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all we have in terms of documentation or even the
former federal judge who ruled in the favor of the
NFL just didn't want to suspend him to this level. Um.
I think it's a win for de Shaun because if
you if you look at things and you're neutral, you
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step aside, you just go. Look, I'm not gonna take
sides a new side. I forget the the the previous
suspension of six games the NFL wanted to season or
an indefinite. The last point they were willing to settle
on was twelve games. He got eleven. That's an absolute
win for Deshaun Watson. And I'll also point out, while
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it's gonna be difficult in his first game to beat
the Houston Texans, his old team, when he's got to
be rusty, I do think in terms of getting out
there and playing, the Texans aren't going to be as
talented a team as the Browns are, and there's a
chance there to put his stamp on it against the Texans.
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This is why I didn't want to play for the organization.
Look at the organization I'm playing for now. Completely have
my back and have a better football team now. The
problem with it is you sound incredibly insensitive when you
just deal with sports and not deal with the social
and personal issues aside. Hey, when when you don't. I've
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I noticed a level of consistency from Deshaun Watson. Even
if others want to point out the inconsistency, I do
think it was a mistake for him to go out
there and try and handle this on his own. It's
not that he's not bright enough, it's not that he
can't handle himself. It's that in trying to use the
right words at the right times and have the right
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answers for the right questions, that's really hard when that's
not what you do for a living. Just not. Does
the NFL look bad, No, I think the NFL actually
comes out looking like they tried to be really strong.
Do the Browns look bad a little bit? A little bit?
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They look like they got their guy, they're willing to
do whatever it takes to fix their football team, and
all that other nuns, all that other stuff. Uh, I
think goes a little bit by the wayside. You know,
they threw d has them out there to act like, well, listen,
a woman is is I mean, that's it's it's purely
for looks, So there's a lot to it. I think
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Deshan gets a w because they were previously willing to
settle on twelve games the league was, and he got eleven.
He didn't sit the full season. He gets a play
against the Texans. I don't think it. I don't think
it was the smart decision to have him answer those
questions all on his own. I do think he talked
himself a little bit in circles, but I also understand
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that a settlement is not an admission of guilt, and
an apology, if worded in in a specific way, is
also not an admission of guilt. That said, it strikes
as a meaningless apology that somebody made him do and
makes him seem cold and callous and disconnected, and all
of it seemed like bs, including the whatever uh psychological
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work and sensitivity training he's gonna go through. Do I
think it eliminates from our minds what we think of
him as a human being. I do not. I don't.
I don't think. I think that's a really hard one
to us gape. But I would point out that that
big Ben Roethlisberger. Granted it was only two different women,
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two different years, but too there were reportedly a major
issue with one that led to his six games suspension,
and here we are, fifteen years later, he's going to
be in the Hall of Fame. Do I do I
think that happens to Shan Watson. I don't know, But
I could go through player after player after player who
has done something cruel, who has done something wrong, but
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done something in the early or middle point of their career,
and you play long enough, you live long enough, and
people have a tendency to either forgive or simply forget. Alright,
Jason Stewart, your thoughts, Let's see, I'm less forgiving on
this one. I think that there. I think the NFL
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comes across as being the league that tried to appeal
to the public and say we're gonna go for as
much as possible they had. The commissioner called him a
serial um predator, basically um, but those words seem to
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come off a little empty today. I understand the uh
sentiment of a settlement is that nobody walks away happy.
I get this, but I mean, did the players union
have any leverage in this situation that they don't think
they've ever won a lawsuit against the NFL. The NFL
seemed to me could have just implemented a penalty on this,
and it just seems to me like them even settling
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Um comes off a week. I think eleven games shows
that they had they don't really have a lot of teeth.
I think it's extra special dirty that the game that
he's gonna come back to happens to be in Houston
so they can promote it and get as much out
of his return as possible, which is really dirty to me. Um,
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it was confusing today that the team came out and
said that he's out a lot to work on through
counseling and it's gonna take time. When he hasn't admitted
to doing anything. What is he going to canceling for
if the guy from the get go hasn't admitted to
do anything wrong. So it's the mixed messages. If today
was about finality and clarity, which that was the two
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buzzwords of the day, more this has been left with
more questions than answers after the media access today. UM,
I really do think I think the NFL comes out
looking weak and I agree with you on this part.
Deshawn's team won this. I mean that I think they
got off easy. Let me go to Dan Buyer, Uh, Dan,
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your thoughts. I think Jason said it pretty well. I
agree with a lot of what he said. Uh you know,
I mean Calvin Ridley's gotta you know, pick the Lions
on Thanksgiving Day and he's gonna miss an entire season
and it has to prove that he's rehabilitated. Um. And
so to have the NFL have they to suspend him
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for a year and to back off of that, which
almost seems like an olive branch to the players Association,
I just find uh yeah, I find it crazy. I
think Jason said a lot of what I felt. Um.
Okay Um. I just I think here here's the perspective.
I do think we should have, okay, um, without any question,
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this is I believe, the longest suspension and you know,
the longest suspension for anything of this sort of magnitude
in the NFL. Although we've never had kind of this
volume of it, right, so we haven't you go back
in and other issues with with guys and women in
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the league, and we're getting closer. Um. I would also
point out, like, if we're going to be fair, it's
not a high bar to find a grand jury to
indict somebody again, to charge them, to to actually find
them guilty is a high is a higher bar, But
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to to simply get an indictment in a grand jury
is not seen as a high legal bar. And twice
it went to the grand jury. Twice they were denied
the chance to indict So again, I'm just trying to
be the voice of fairness and sit here and go,
I understand how we all perceive it, all any of us.
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You don't have to be like girl dad like I am,
to have kind of the human sensitivity of going okay
that this doesn't feel right, doesn't feel like it's fair.
On the other hand, if you're going to be totally
fair about it, you sit there and go like, wait
a second, Like they couldn't get an indictment four cases.
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I don't know how Like I feel just the whole
thing feels like there's something to this story that we
don't know, and we may never know because we've only
heard basically the attorney's side and a couple of things
dropped a drop from the actual case. But outside of that,
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like I'm left sitting there going I get it. But
you have to have the perspective of leagues don't usually
do this, even though players aren't usually involved in something
of this depth from this magnitude, leagues don't usually step
in this, and the NFL, for the first time ever
can sit there and go like, look, we tried, why
did they settle? I think you know, Like again, if
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we're really really honest. Okay, we're really honest. People settle
for a myriad of reasons. They don't want other things
coming out. They don't want their process challenged. They don't
there's other things that get put on display when you
go through an actual appeals process that even the side
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that feels like they're gonna win doesn't want exposed. So
I hear you, guys, but I'm more inclined to think
it's I thought a season was about right. I understand
I thought six was was was way too light, and um,
in the at some point you just signed the deal
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and get it done and get a punishment, Levied I
kind of I know it's a win for Deshaun, but
I don't think it's a huge l for the league.
John rommost your thoughts. I agree with you about the
win for Deshaun Watson. I definitely think it's it's that.
I also think that, um, the NFL could have done
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something more, and I think they just kind of did
what kind of like they tried to do a middle
ground because I think they thought the season was too long,
but more than six was better. And yeah, that whole
thing about coming back at Houston, I mean, look, the
NFL's reality television at its best. I mean, that's kind
of interesting how it would it just happens to fall
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on the Houston Texans where he comes back. Um, the
guy apologized a lot, He said the same thing over
and over again, and I kind of agree with you
as well. I mean, if there are legal procedures to
what happens, and if he did go pass those legal
procedures and they couldn't find anything, then you know our
I mean, our feelings are did Do I think he
did something wrong? Yes? I do, but you can't legally
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prove it because they went through a court system that
couldn't legally prove something like that. So I'm not gonna
gonna try to be the you know, the bigger purveyor
of wisdom from our legal court system. So but yeah,
do I think he got off and was the winner
in this? I do believe that. Yes, had they had
have been twelve games, it would have been the Bengals
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on the road. Um, I don't know. I do wonder
how much that game mattered to anybody. I do. You
know it was thought to be a sticking point. Honestly
for all the talks that we've had over the last
month when the schedule came out that the NFL did
not want him to play in Houston. They did. That
was that was the messages that we were receiving in
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why the NFL was was trying to settle for a
twelve game, ten million dollar suspension and then the end
it's eleven games and five million What a world? What
a world. By the way, that the other matchups that weekend,
just so you know, like you're like, oh, everybody will
everybody will be watching that one. Okay, So so that's
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week was that week twelve, I believe because of the boy. Yeah,
because that was after Tampa. Obviously they didn't want him
in that. That Brady game I had to take away
from from Brady. The other games, the Sunday night game
is Dallas and Indie. You you have Chargers, by the way,
you have Chargers taken on the Raiders, which is another
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a f C game, a late AFC game. The other
early games are Denver Baltimore. That's the that's the other
CBS game. Wow. How about how about CBS is gonna
have to choose between Denver and Baltimore and Cleveland and Houston.
They're gonna choose Denver in Baltimore. I don't think it's
even close. I feel like it's a It looks really
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bad now. I don't think it will be as big
a watches as people think. At the end of the day,
it's still the Texans and we'll see what the Browns are.
Then in comparison to Denver and Baltimore, that one pales
in comparison. And then over the other side you got
Washington taken on New York. Who that's a big one. Um,
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you have Green Bay taken on Chicago. Those are CBS game,
Fox game, Excuse me, so I don't know. Listen, this
is an open forum within reason eight seven, seven, nine
nine Fox. I understand where Jay st comes from, where
Dan Buyer comes from. Ramos feels somewhere in between those
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two and me. I'm not all the way over on
the I'm not sitting there defending Deshaun Watson in any way.
I'm defending the kind of the process and how we
ended up here, right that and the fact that as
much as in the very short term we feel like, man,
that guy got got off. Here is a a former
judge who said, hey, to this point, six was the
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most that I could do and feel good about it,
and then only the league was able to go back
and get five more games, nearly doubling the suspension. So
there there's a way of looking at it where it
seems a little bit stronger than how it's initially perceived.
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and the I Heart Radio app Doug Outlers Show, Fox
Sports Radio. All right, uh, let's uh, let's let's stop
all the baseball nonsense, talk about what people care about.
That's uh. The Great ice Cube joins us now on
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the Doug Gottlieb Show. He's done just about everything. Obviously
started as a rapper, became everything from a producer, philanthropist,
movie star, and he started the Big Three. Joins us
in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Cube,
how are you what? I'm good Man good. I want
to talk Lakers with you in a second, but first
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let's talk. This is Big Three Championship weekend. Um, this
is not your first full ray, but this is the
league has evolved and it's different for people who are
gonna tune in this weekend. What's different about the this
weekend from other championship weekends. Oh man, it's great because
we've got an All Star game before our championship games,
So get a chance to see the cream of the crop,
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the best that the Big three has to offer when
it comes to individuals, and then you get to see
our two best teams go at it. Trilogy. They're going
for the third championship and our years and then you've
got Power going for the second championship and five years.
So um to powerhouse teams peeking at the right time,
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playing at the right time. So it's gonna be fun. Yeah, Trilogy.
Don't they have to win a third title? Their name
is trilogy, they have to complete the trilogy. I think so,
but you never know. You know, Powers coached by Nancy Lieberman.
You know, she got them boys playing in the right
way at the right time, so I think they got
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a little something to say about it. And uh, she's
going for her second title, so we'll see. Plus she's
coaching her son, t J. Klein. That's that's pretty cool.
You got a mother coach and her son who's a
stud as well. I just keep joining us on the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. You can get
a Big Three dot com slash tickets for more information.
Of course, that's the Big Three Championship game weekend at
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State Farm Arina in Atlanta, Georgia, August one. That's August one,
of course, the full day. It starts at two a
clock Eastern time. Let's talk Lakers. Um, do you like
the idea of keeping Russell Westbrook? I don't mind that. Um.
You know, he had off year last year, but the
whole team did so I think this year it would
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be a lot different if they have the running back.
It definitely can't do nothing but go up tell you that.
You know that last year was it was a bad feeling.
Lebron signed a two year extension instead, he could have
waited right that extension still would have been available to
him at the end of the year. What do you
think of Lebron saying, hey, two more years in l
A and I like the commitment. I think it's necessary
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for the team to, you know, make major moves and
do things to try to get him another championship in
these next two years. You know, without that signature, I
don't know how you know the organization should go forward
with you know, possibly giving up draft picks and just
that another uh and and then not having the ban.
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So um, I think he kind of had to do
it to get the Lakers to move in the right direction.
All right, what if part of the deal is you
gotta draft Brawny? Would you do it? If you're rob
to linka Yeah, why not? You know, I think it's
something that will motivate both players. Uh, you know, I
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think it's it's great for the NBA of course. Um, definitely, Uh,
must see TV having you know, father and the son
play together. I don't know if that's ever happened in
the league. So you know, I think, you know, if
you can play on this level, why not? Yeah, I'm like, listen,
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it's literally never happened before ever, never happened. For What's
what's crazy about it is, you know when he had
Ken griff Jr. And Ken Griffy Senior, it was Kenrif
Senior like, well, he'll still get to play whatever. He
didn't play a ton. It feels like the opposite in
this case, right like Lebron Granted it would be two
years from now, we don't know what his body is
like in two years, but do just average thirty a game.
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The question would be more about his son than it
would be about Lebron pretty much, you know, and that
would be you know a lot of extra pressure on him. Um.
So you know, it could be a good thing, could
be a bad thing. You know, we have to wait
and see. Like you said, never happened. But you know me,
I'm I'm a little biased when it comes to five
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inut his son uh showing the world what they got.
So you know a lot of people didn't think my
son could do it when it came to Stradida comping
and did a great job. So you know, I say,
let's try it right now. What is it? What is
that like to watch him on the big stream? It's
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an it's an amazing, like a surreal experience, kind of
almost like an out of body experience because you know,
he kind of came into like I did, and I
was discovered by John Singleton who who kind of pursued
me for a couple of years to do Boys in
the Hood, and then I I kind of recruited my son.
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I put him through the ring for a couple of
years for him to be able to do straight out
of company. So to see it all work out and
you know, to see that he was the best man
for the job. That's that. That to me was the
best part is you know, all the ice cubes they
were trying to audition, it was just the best one
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to him. You've done, I mean, like your career, and
I mean it's not not over right. I mean, look,
you you've started and you run a professional basketball league.
You've been a movie star. Obviously with with everything you've
done your rap career, you've done amazing things. Do you
think about back in the mid eighties when you're growing
up in the valley, what what would if I were
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to tell ice Q back then, I wish I did
grow up in the Valley. I grew up in South
cul I thought, I thought your wooland Hills. Then you
moved to the move to moved to South CenTra l
a nah nah noah. I was buzzed from South Central
to the Valley school. But I had to go back
every day. I had to go back home every day.
So all right, so so you're in South you're in
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South you're in South Central, you're riding on that. If
I were to tell if I were to tell you
back then, all these things you've done, what would surprise
you the most? Um, I mean, starting to lead, you know,
starting to pro league were probably surprised me the most.
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And maybe movies. You know, I just when I first started,
I just wanted to be the best best rapper in
the world. You know, that was my my goal. And
so these other things are our opportunities. And you know,
I mean the league is something different. You know, that's
a whole another level. The league. Everything else. The league's
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incredible because look now you walk into a room and
the great thing about the Big Three is these are
known very good to great players in the NBA, and
like they're your guys, right that they many of them
joined the league, you know, and obviously Steven Jackson, these
guys joined the league because of the legitimacy you brought
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to it. That might be the most impressive part of
the whole thing. Yeah. I think I'm the best recruiter
in the United States man, without a doubt, getting you know.
I mean we've had from Alan Iverson to March out
of Mine, you know, come through the league. Um, you know,
he said Stephen Jackson, Joe Johnson, Uh, Patino Mowgli. Uh
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you know. So we've had some great players come through
the league. But now what's cool about the Big Three
is we're developing young stars that you know who are
Big Three stars, like Kevin Murphy, Isaiah Briscoe, um, Isaiah Austin,
and so that's what's cool too. And guys who you know,
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like the Royce White who never really got the shot
in the NBA like they were supposed to. Or he's
in the championship game on Sunday. So it's very cool. Yeah,
it's it's it's really an amazing thing. Isaiah Austin. Of
course his NBA career cut short because he had the
hard issue. Now he's back. You mentioned Royce and and
so many others. You can watch it on CBS and
(28:41):
Paramount Plus. You want tickets Big three dot com slash tickets,
uh QBA, You're gonna give us a little Who do
you think wins between Trilogy and Power? Well, you know,
I think Glenn Rice Jr. Is gonna play great for Power.
Isaiah of Briscoe, I think Earl Clark and uh Wis
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White they're gonna play great. So you gotta look at
the hedge factors, hedge factors. Are you know Patino Mobley? Um,
you know how how will he play? James White? Uh?
T J Klein? You know these guys to be the
reason they team win or lose. Tina Mobley still getting buckets,
Still getting buckets? Cube, thanks so much for joining us.
(29:26):
Well appreciate you be I guest appreciating any time. All right,
that's the great ice Cube joining us. Still out of
the show. Fox Sports Radio. Um, J stre We're like
your similar age, similar background. You know what's cool is
or what's interesting is my son likes still listens to
n w A to this to this day, like he's thirteen.
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I don't know if I'm supposed to live, but I'm
I'm screwed up, but not so screwed up that I
wouldn't you know if I grew up with it. Did
your son ever listen to n w A. No, No,
that's kind of off his radar. Uh, he's like a
Mumford and Sons guy. And then he likes a bunch
of classic rock. But no, the hip hop thing hasn't
quite hit with my son yet. And I think I
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told you that hip hop to me is like a
recent thing. I got into like contemporary hip hop only
like five years ago, and I really enjoy it, and
I'm just circling back to the nineties stuff. In fact,
Dan Buyer for Christmas got me a great book about
hip hop in the nineties, so I'm reading that. But
that's the long answer your question. Now, he doesn't listen
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to hip hop. Okay, So you didn't listen to hip
hop or your kid you listen to when you're a kid.
I was all about in in the eighties and nineties.
I was all about that k rock kind of alternate
sound and Iron Maiden and a bunch of classic rock.
So I have a sixteen year old daughter who was
just she was cooking yesterday. She made beer cheese, really
(30:52):
really good from scratch beer cheese, and uh, Core's like,
by the way, the answer to the beer. But it
was a weird. It was a weird, like when I
was in Israel, a buddy stay at my house and
I was like, where'd you get the Coors light? She's
like your fridge. It's like really, And I was like,
that's that's right, because I mean, like one straight straight Coors,
(31:13):
like like I can't. I have no I have no
issue with Cores light. But I'm generally a Madelo guy.
Um but I was like a random like I thought
there would be a Madelo and I was wondering how
the Medelo would taste in the beer cheese, And then
there's your classic Coors lighting there. I was like, that
kind of seems to make more sense. You are a guy.
There were way too many Medello's left at the end
(31:35):
of our round, and I had I had to drive
back like two and a half three. It doesn't matter, Doug.
We should definitely drink and drive on this shop. She
that's that's sarcasm. Yes, I think what he's saying is
and look, there's nothing like how I ever told you
guys my cold beer story. No, okay, here's yeah. Do
(31:59):
you have a mess of from Niza? No? This is
this is this, and it's better than the sci. I
knew he went to Taft High School. I forgot that
he was bust to Taft High School. That was my
issue with with with with Cube. I think he was
from the valley. I thought he grew up. I thought
he was in the valley and he had to move
to move moved to the hood. My bad anyway. Um So,
I was never really a beer guy growing up. My
(32:21):
dad didn't drink beer until he was type two diabetic,
and then like in his sixties, his doctors like, you
should have a beer a day, so he would all
take between like a beer or a glass of red wine.
That's it anyway, So we were really like a beer family. Um.
And then you know, like in high school, guys who
drink like sane IDEs, which is rough, no thanks, you drink.
(32:43):
You're like, I don't know why anybody likes beer. Um.
I remember cracking my first cold beer, you know, like
when you get home from college, like I'm gonna go
crack a beer, you know, and you don't even say
anything next to the old man. You just sit there
and watch a ballgame and drink a beer and you
wait for him to say something to you, and he doesn't.
You guys know that that that moment anybody's been away
from home you come back in, You're like that that
(33:05):
is your one, like I'm a man now sort of thing.
But I was gonna be h It was in the
summer before my senior year in college. Coach got me
a job and I was doing um demo for a
guy in town for a guy was like flipping houses, okay,
and it's since still Water. And the thing they don't
(33:27):
tell you about, they like the sale on demo is
like you get to just beat the crap out of anything,
like destroy a house for an entire day, like any
anger you get, you get out in that mallet or
a hammer, or you just kick things down right, and
then you gotta clean it out. That's the not fun part.
And it's dusty, but you wear a mask, you wear gloves,
and then you just you just basically crushed stuff all day.
(33:48):
The problem with it is when you're doing demo, there's
no air conditioning and you're in still Water, Oaklome and
it's hot, hotter than Hades. But at five o'clock they
would go and get a case of cold beer. And
it didn't matter if it was Natty light, natty ice
or Cool's light, whatever it was. There is nothing on
earth like that, right, There's nothing. And at that point
(34:13):
in your life you're like, I get the cold beer thing.
I completely I did not get it. And then I
worked a hard day, blue collar labor and had a
cool beer, like you know what, a hundred years of
grown men. I ain't wrong. This thing goes down really
really quick and really really nicely. Fox Sports Radio has
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Welcome in, Welcome in. There is one big story of
the day, and there is another story the day, which
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is I think has probably longer lasting ramification. But it's
not it It had, you know, like this, It's been
previously been reported, but it's not as big as de
Shaun Watson. That's the Big Ten moving away from ESPN
officially and NBC by the way back in play as
they now have Notre Dame and the Big Ten um,
as well as the fact that you got uh CBS
(35:19):
and Fox getting more and more Big Ten games. We'll
get to that upcoming, but let's let's talk about what
we have learned today. Deshaun Watson is now suspended for
the next eleven games, first eleven games, and he won't
be back in the building until October tenth. I believe
he'll be find five million dollars plus all the game
(35:40):
checks for those, so it's like six million in change. Gigantic. Fine,
here's Deshaun Watson standing by his innocence. Well, I've always
stood on my innocence and always said that I've never
assaulted anyone or di suspected anyone, and I'm continued to
stand on that, but at the same time, have to
continue to push forward in my life, in my career,
(36:02):
and for us to be able to move forward, you know,
I have to be able to take steps and pit
prior to the side. And I'm gonna continue to stand
on my innocence and keep pushing forward. And I've always,
you know, stood on not disrespecting or sexual assault or anyone.
So um So, this one's hard, right if you're apologizing,
but then you're saying you never forget about assaulting anybody,
(36:26):
You never disrespected anybody. Here's the Shaun Watson trying to
clarify what he's apologizing for. I apologize beforehand. I think
the second time I spoke to you guys, I actually apologized,
but I think for some people it didn't uh maybe
register as I as I was apologizing, but you know,
I just wanted to clarify, you know, I was apologizing
(36:47):
to all women and people that was affected about this
situation because it's, uh, you know, it's it's definitely a
tough situation. Here's Jimmy has them Okay, who's the owner
of the clear Van Browns, Cleveland Browns getting the biggest
contract in the history of support all guaranteed. Here's here's Jimmy.
Since DeShawn came into our building in April, he has
(37:08):
done everything we have asked of him and more and
he has been the person, the leader that we expected
him to be. And I think he understands where he
is in his life. It's a pivotal point, and we
as an organization are gonna do everything we can to
help him not only be the best football player he
can be, but more importantly, to be the best person
(37:29):
he can be, And we're gonna support him in every
way possible during the suspension and during what will hopefully
be a long career with the Cleveland Browns. And I
don't think anybody knew how many games Deshaun might miss.
I mean, if we didn't know until definitively till today, Okay.
I think it's important to remember Deshaun is twenty six
years old, okay, and as a high level NFL quarterback,
(37:52):
and we're planning on being our quarterback for a long time. Okay.
Here's d has Them. That's obviously the wife of Jimmy
Haslem and her thoughts on the matter. In counseling takes time.
You don't just go to accountling session and wake up
and and and understand the impact it has. I think
it's a layering effect. It takes weeks, months, a long
(38:15):
time to get where you understand so much more about yourself.
And I think DeShawn has made progress from the time
he came here until now. He's making progress. But it's
not gonna happen overnight. He you know, he's twenty six
years old and he's just getting into counseling. I think
it's gonna take some time, alright, So um they Jimmy
(38:36):
hasm has also come out and said where a country's
second chances? The question is if a guy doesn't think
he did anything wrong, what is then a second chance
for right? Um? I do agree with the caller we
had earlier, and we don't usually take calls one reason
is because usually calls aren't as insightful. But a woman
named Cheryl called us, and she's like, look, if he
admits to criminal wrongdoing, Uh, there's no reason that a
(38:58):
criminal case can't be reopened. She's right, Um, but he's
maintained his innocence even though he signed the screament. An
agreement and a and a settlement does not mean that
he is not an admission of guilt. It's also not
an admission of innocence, but it's not a mission of guilt,
and to say otherwise wouldn't be fair. Now, the the lawyer,
the judge who initially ruled on this, agreed with the
(39:21):
NFL and determined that, um, there are three different factors
in sexual assault, but from the NFL, and not all
of them are actually having to do with assault itself.
It should be pointed out, um, But she agreed with it.
So you have one judge who ruled in the NFL's favor,
another judge who was likely to rule the NFL's favor.
(39:42):
But the NFL. It's probably smarter to just get this
thing done, even if it's six games less than you
wanted and five games more than he was gonna get
and so they acquiesce and and give him what looks
like a game back, so he plays again Houston. I
don't know, like I'm I'm supposed to offer up this opinion, like,
(40:05):
do I think it's super creepy what he's done? Of course,
of course anybody does, like what how many women? Uh?
And but I'm also not somebody that it doesn't have
to be the volume of it in order to prove
to me that something is wrong with how he's acting
and what he actually needs. None of that proves sexual
(40:27):
as salt, And the fact that there's no criminal case
leads me to think, Okay, there's some sort of gray
area here with the ones that really went for uh,
kind of the full on civil case as opposed to
many of the others were added in the class action
and then settled quickly. But all it takes is one
negative act against a woman to sit there and go like,
(40:50):
why why are we giving this dude the biggest contract ever?
I still think it looks bad for the Browns. They
don't come out looking good. They don't come out looking
Jimmy hasn't. We don't know how many games like it
didn't matter, you knew what he was facing. But he's
super talented, he's super likable. There's obviously a lot that
(41:11):
in his life that he hasn't shared with people. I
do think counseling helps. I don't know exactly what took place.
I also know that there's been no criminal charges, though
twice it's gone to the grand jury, and that leaves
me scratching my head over what actually happened. But he
did something wrong. He got punished more severely than anybody
(41:33):
else had been. The NFL I think, in this particular case,
looks about as strong as they've ever looked, even if
they don't look as strong as many people would like
them to look. And the Browns essentially lose the season
because they tied their ship to a wayward doc. And
that may be punishment enough for people. Jason Stewart, John Rama,
(41:57):
Jason Stewart and Dan Buyer don't think it's nearly enough.
I'm not sure there is actually a number that would
be enough. I'm also realistic that this is pretty this
is pretty substantial. Could have been more. I wouldn't be bad,
and I this is what they agreed to, and in
both sides agree. I don't know where really where to
go with it. Yes, Gen Rolos. When when Jimmy Hassm said, Hey,
(42:22):
this guy is twenty six years old, it's got a
lot of years ahead of him as as a Cleveland
Browns quarterback, do you think he's missing the point of
the whole thing or do you think he's just looking
at strictly the you know, the nuts and bolts of
of his ownership and what he needs to do as
the Cleveland Browns moved forward. I think he spoke out
of a place of honesty, but I don't think I
(42:43):
don't think that it it landed where it should have landed.
Had he said, look, he's twenty six years old, Obviously
there have been mistakes made, and we're here for him
the next five years for him to learn and hopefully
be our quarterback as long as he continues to evolve
and improve as a person. That would have landed differently
(43:03):
than Hey's twenty six years so, And the reality is
he's twenty six years old. If he didn't get in
trouble anymore and he wins the Super Bowl, no one's
gonna say, you know, this will be simply a footnote.
And that's the reality of all sports. Look, the reality
of sports is this And I have covered some. I'll
never forget my first Final four I covered for CBS. Right.
All I said was Louisville won the national championship. And
(43:29):
I believe the way I word it was, you know
when you can see like something like when you consider
some of the things that Rick Pettino, this is before
the strippers in the dorm thing came out, right, but
this was everyone knew of the Italian restaurant and some
of the other accusations of things. If when you knew
(43:49):
about if you knew about all the things that Rick
Pettino kind of went through to raise Louisville to a
national championship level, Right, this is an unbelievable come story.
That's what I said. But there were people that pulled
me aside, like did you have to mention that? Like
that's part of the story. But that's not how we
cover sports. Like with the exception of what I did
(44:12):
seven years ago, nobody go looks back that far. They
just don't. I guess Twitter does. But it's like once
you get past like a year or two later, you know,
if you go through counseling, you say them all better.
We kind of let it go. I didn't say that's right.
I'm just telling you it's reality of J Studio still
(44:34):
is fired up. I think more so actually than I
was two hours ago. Just just reading the reaction from
Twitter and thinking about this more. Um, I think the
NFL just kind of deceived us this whole time. I mean,
when when Goodell comes out and says that he's a
predator and that he deserves at least a year, I
(44:54):
thought that I thought he was getting it right. At
that point, we saw major League Baseball get Trevor Bauer
two years. That case did not go to a criminal court,
and the woman was asking for it, but he got
two years. Uh, everyone's everyone in this whole situation is
acting like he did something wrong, except for the person
that did something wrong. Like the Browns are saying that
(45:17):
we need that he's gonna seek counseling for what? What
is he seeking canceling for? You and I have both
been to therapy. The first step in therapy is admitting
that something's wrong. That's the first step in the twelve step. Okay,
that's the first step in the twelve step. But I've
been to therapy as well, and I had to admit
that I had failures about things. I mean, how does
(45:38):
he go to counseling and work through this if he's
if he's not even willing to admit it. Um. That
you know, when when Haslum says that he's twenty six
years old and that's an important thing to remember, what
does that have to do with anything that he's made mistakes?
What mistakes? He hasn't admitted to any mistakes? Um? But yeah,
I think I think the NFL comes out looking really
(45:59):
weak on this, and I think it's real dirty that
they're going to take advantage of the fact that he's
returning to Houston for his big return to NFL moment
against the team that he jilted. Um. Yeah, none of
this sits well with me at all. To be honest, Fire,
I don't think I'm as fired up as you were
(46:19):
about my Calvin Ridley comment earlier. UM, I am. Listen.
I I I think when I hear Jimmy Haslum say
what he says, I agree with you, Doug in in
the the point of if they go on to win
a Super Bowl, Um, the people of Cleveland will forget
(46:39):
and UH, that's all that's going to matter. And I
think that's what that's like the point that I feel
like Jimmy haslem is always is always speaking about but
not to sit on the fence. I think to Jason's
point about, it's the NFL letting uh, the people who
felt watson suspension should be longer, including myself, of kind
of letting us down and uh just being like, all right,
(47:03):
let's settle this and move on. And I mentioned earlier
how I felt that the NFL probably wanted to throw
the you know, the book at him or at least
give him that one year suspension, but then they also
realized they don't want this hanging around next year. Um.
I think it really really really stinks, but nothing is
going to be done about it. So the anger towards
(47:25):
it is you know, that's I mean, it's it's done
like it's you know, there's nothing, there's nothing that can
be done. And I think that's like the disappointing and
really deflating, uh part about it. And just because he
didn't like, am I wrong in saying this? That the
(47:46):
whole grand jury, the whole thing of why he's not
charged is basically he said, she said, And what came
down to a room where there were no cameras and
there's only two people, Like, I mean, isn't isn't that
like what it comes down to? Yes, Uh, yes, and
have been difficult, but let me but let me let me,
let me finish you real quick. If we're going to
(48:08):
be fair. There have been plenty of other guy girl,
he said, she said, which have led to charges. Right,
so you know, like again that that's the problem with
proving sexual assault is end of the day, there's only
two people in the room, and you know who's whose
(48:29):
whose word? Do you do you take from it? Uh?
My guests would be And again I haven't gone into
this is not a show where we do these in
depth investigations, so you just kind of look from you know,
from from from a parachute, if you will, and you're like,
you know, the end of the day. Yes, it was,
but it wasn't just he's it wasn't it? She said?
There were several She said, I think there's some I
(48:50):
think there was some issues with some of the things
that were said, how they were said, and does it
does it rise anywhere near the level of sexual assault
in a criminal case? So I think that that has
to be an issue with it. Yeah, again, it doesn't
mean it didn't happen. But I could just say, like
it strikes everybody, it strikes me as odd that twice
was brought to a grand jury and no charges were brought.
And I and I think that there's also like the
(49:12):
point of when you're talking about the caller earlier, like
and to the point that you just made it doesn't
mean that it didn't do it. It is also just
isn't to the point of whether the prosecution feels that
they could get a conviction on this or it would
be difficult to at least prove that he did that.
And that doesn't that doesn't prove innocent. It just proves
that they probably couldn't have defended their case how they
wanted to. So. But but that's not that's and I
(49:34):
could be wrong, and I'm not a lawyer, Okay, but
that's not that's whether or not you choose to charge somebody,
you choose to proceed with charges. The indictment has nothing
to do with whether or not it's provable. I believe
I think that the indictment is based can they can
they get an indictment from a grand jury, which has
nothing to do with the lawyers. I think it could
(49:54):
be wrong. In the end, I wish that the NFL
would have stuck to their guns. Uh they didn't. It
was disappointing to hear six games and it gets disappointing
to hear eleven in the end on this um. But
it's I mean, it's done, so it is. It is
at some point it is crying over. It sounds like
(50:16):
we have to become Deshaun Watson fans, you know, because
and and and in this world where we're told we
have less and less, fewer and fewer enemies. Right in sports,
it's okay, like you're really mad, you know, cheer against
the Browns every game, not that hard and usually you'll
end up in the positive. It's just it's still the
There're still the Browns. It's still the Browns. We can
(50:38):
talk about how complicated. I mean, like, look the Browns.
How about the fact that they gotta go against Baker
Mayfield first week of the season, Like that's that. It's
truly and I'm gonna be an amazing year in Cleveland.
Wait what what we have the Carolina Panthers and Baker
Mayfield first week this season? Well, that's interesting.
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know we could talk about what else? We could talk
about the Mets and that. Now we can talk about
the Christmas Day basketball now now, now I think you
know we're gonna talk about uh A seven seven nine nine.
Fox is the phone number we might work in a
phone caller too. This is just kind of a reaction
(01:05):
day because this has been a gigantic story in the
National Football League for the last year and a half recently,
and now we have some form of closure or at
least decisive action agreed to by both sides in the
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problem called one eight gambler. So Deshaun Watson has reached
a settlement with the league, NFL, NFL p A and
Deshaun Watson's people have reached this settlement. Eleven games, five
million dollars. Eleven games, five million dollars, And we've heard
(01:49):
from DeShawn today. I don't think it was great in
terms of meeting with the media and not having any
PR person with him. I think that was a that
was not a great It was not a great idea.
There have been good there have been some great ideas.
That was not one of them. But still Deshaun Watson
did it. Talk to the media. Here's what he said
(02:12):
in regards to his own innocence. I've always stood on
my innocence and always said that I've never assaulted anyone
or disuspected anyone, and I'm continued to stand on that.
But at the same time, I have to continue to
push forward with my life in my career, and for
us to be able to move forward, you know, I
have to be able to take steps and pit prior
to the side. And I'm gonna continue to stand on
my innocence and keep pushing forward. And I've always, you know,
(02:34):
stood on not disuspecting or sexual assaulting anyone. This is
him trying to clarify what exactly he apologized for. I
apologize beforehand. I think the second time I spoke to
you guys, I actually apologized, but I think for some
people it didn't uh maybe register as I as I
was apologizing, but you know, I just wanted to clarify,
(02:55):
you know, I was apologized to all women and people
that was affected about this situation because it's, uh, you know,
it's it's definitely a tough situation. This is a follow
up when he was asked what exactly he was apologizing
for for everyone that was affected about this situation. There
was a lot of people that was triggered, but not
the women accuse you. Listen, I'm apologized to all women,
(03:16):
so anybody that was affected, even yourself, every everything. So
I'm apologizing to everyone that was affected about this whole situation.
Just blanket apology, I'm sorry, which is actually a good
way for a man to wake up and during the day,
right you wake up and just go, man, I'm sorry
for what I don't know. But this is obviously far
more uh uh, far more important than just the blanket
(03:38):
dude apology in the morning. Um, I think this is
really interesting. You know, I could play for you what
Andrew Berry is saying. I could play all that stuff.
But now you've heard from Deshaun Watson, You've obviously you
know the case. What do we make of it? I'm
gonna give you my opinion first. Okay, they're gonna go
around the room. We get a chance it might work
(04:00):
at a phone call eight seven seven nine nine. Fox
will work on the little Twitter machine at Gottlieb Show,
which you got the Facebook page that's the Doug Gotlip
Show fan page, and we'll just kind of let's let's
do it sort of old school organic, like this is
a big story. The first thing is that, uh, and
it's a very important distinction. Okay, settling and apologizing does
(04:25):
not mean you did anything wrong. It doesn't, And I
will I will agree with Deshaun Watson in what he said.
I do think it's really hard and you have to
be very You have to have what what's been termed
to me social jiu jitsu, right, you have to You
(04:49):
have to be delicate and yet forceful. You have to
use guile and positioning in order to get it across
what you're trying to get across, maintain a level of
sensitivity while maintaining your innocence as well. Okay, so the
(05:10):
idea is this that settling and this isn't It's really important, right,
Settling is not an admission of guilt. Apologizing and the
way in which she apologized is not an admission of guilt.
That said, it doesn't wipe him free of suspicion or
(05:31):
all we have in terms of documentation or even the
former federal judge who ruled in the favor of the
NFL just didn't want to suspend him to this level. Um.
I think it's a win for de Shaun because if
you if you look at things and you're neutral, you
(05:51):
step aside, you just go. Look, I'm not gonna take
sides a new side. I forget the the the previous
suspension of six games the NFL wanted to season or
an indefinite. The last point they were willing to settle
on was twelve games. He got eleven. That's an absolute
win for Deshaun Watson. And I'll also point out, while
(06:13):
it's gonna be difficult in his first game to beat
the Houston Texans, his old team, when he's got to
be rusty, I do think in terms of getting out
there and playing, the Texans aren't going to be as
talented a team as the Browns are, and there's a
chance there to put his stamp on it against the Texans.
(06:33):
This is why I didn't want to play for the organization.
Look at the organization I'm playing for now. Completely have
my back and have a better football team now. The
problem with it is you sound incredibly insensitive when you
just deal with sports and not deal with the social
and personal issues aside. Hey, when when you don't. I've
(06:54):
I noticed a level of consistency from Deshaun Watson. Even
if others want to point out the inconsistency, I do
think it was a mistake for him to go out
there and try and handle this on his own. It's
not that he's not bright enough, it's not that he
can't handle himself. It's that in trying to use the
right words at the right times and have the right
(07:16):
answers for the right questions, that's really hard when that's
not what you do for a living. Just not. Does
the NFL look bad, No, I think the NFL actually
comes out looking like they tried to be really strong.
Do the Browns look bad a little bit? A little bit?
(07:37):
They look like they got their guy, they're willing to
do whatever it takes to fix their football team, and
all that other nuns, all that other stuff. Uh, I
think goes a little bit by the wayside. You know,
they threw d has them out there to act like, well, listen,
a woman is is I mean, that's it's it's purely
for looks, So there's a lot to it. I think
(08:00):
Deshan gets a w because they were previously willing to
settle on twelve games the league was, and he got eleven.
He didn't sit the full season. He gets a play
against the Texans. I don't think it. I don't think
it was the smart decision to have him answer those
questions all on his own. I do think he talked
himself a little bit in circles, but I also understand
(08:21):
that a settlement is not an admission of guilt, and
an apology, if worded in in a specific way, is
also not an admission of guilt. That said, it strikes
as a meaningless apology that somebody made him do and
makes him seem cold and callous and disconnected, and all
of it seemed like bs, including the whatever uh psychological
(08:45):
work and sensitivity training he's gonna go through. Do I
think it eliminates from our minds what we think of
him as a human being. I do not. I don't.
I don't think. I think that's a really hard one
to us gape. But I would point out that that
big Ben Roethlisberger. Granted it was only two different women,
(09:06):
two different years, but too there were reportedly a major
issue with one that led to his six games suspension,
and here we are, fifteen years later, he's going to
be in the Hall of Fame. Do I do I
think that happens to Shan Watson. I don't know, But
I could go through player after player after player who
has done something cruel, who has done something wrong, but
(09:28):
done something in the early or middle point of their career,
and you play long enough, you live long enough, and
people have a tendency to either forgive or simply forget. Alright,
Jason Stewart, your thoughts, Let's see, I'm less forgiving on
this one. I think that there. I think the NFL
(09:50):
comes across as being the league that tried to appeal
to the public and say we're gonna go for as
much as possible they had. The commissioner called him a
serial um predator, basically um, but those words seem to
(10:11):
come off a little empty today. I understand the uh
sentiment of a settlement is that nobody walks away happy.
I get this, but I mean, did the players union
have any leverage in this situation that they don't think
they've ever won a lawsuit against the NFL. The NFL
seemed to me could have just implemented a penalty on this,
and it just seems to me like them even settling
(10:34):
Um comes off a week. I think eleven games shows
that they had they don't really have a lot of teeth.
I think it's extra special dirty that the game that
he's gonna come back to happens to be in Houston
so they can promote it and get as much out
of his return as possible, which is really dirty to me. Um,
(10:55):
it was confusing today that the team came out and
said that he's out a lot to work on through
counseling and it's gonna take time. When he hasn't admitted
to doing anything. What is he going to canceling for
if the guy from the get go hasn't admitted to
do anything wrong. So it's the mixed messages. If today
was about finality and clarity, which that was the two
(11:17):
buzzwords of the day, more this has been left with
more questions than answers after the media access today. UM,
I really do think I think the NFL comes out
looking weak and I agree with you on this part.
Deshawn's team won this. I mean that I think they
got off easy. Let me go to Dan Buyer, Uh, Dan,
(11:39):
your thoughts. I think Jason said it pretty well. I
agree with a lot of what he said. Uh you know,
I mean Calvin Ridley's gotta you know, pick the Lions
on Thanksgiving Day and he's gonna miss an entire season
and it has to prove that he's rehabilitated. Um. And
so to have the NFL have they to suspend him
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for a year and to back off of that, which
almost seems like an olive branch to the players Association,
I just find uh yeah, I find it crazy. I
think Jason said a lot of what I felt. Um.
Okay Um. I just I think here here's the perspective.
I do think we should have, okay, um, without any question,
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this is I believe, the longest suspension and you know,
the longest suspension for anything of this sort of magnitude
in the NFL. Although we've never had kind of this
volume of it, right, so we haven't you go back
in and other issues with with guys and women in
(12:45):
the league, and we're getting closer. Um. I would also
point out, like, if we're going to be fair, it's
not a high bar to find a grand jury to
indict somebody again, to charge them, to to actually find
them guilty is a high is a higher bar, But
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to to simply get an indictment in a grand jury
is not seen as a high legal bar. And twice
it went to the grand jury. Twice they were denied
the chance to indict So again, I'm just trying to
be the voice of fairness and sit here and go,
I understand how we all perceive it, all any of us.
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You don't have to be like girl dad like I am,
to have kind of the human sensitivity of going okay
that this doesn't feel right, doesn't feel like it's fair.
On the other hand, if you're going to be totally
fair about it, you sit there and go like, wait
a second, Like they couldn't get an indictment four cases.
(13:50):
I don't know how Like I feel just the whole
thing feels like there's something to this story that we
don't know, and we may never know because we've only
heard basically the attorney's side and a couple of things
dropped a drop from the actual case. But outside of that,
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like I'm left sitting there going I get it. But
you have to have the perspective of leagues don't usually
do this, even though players aren't usually involved in something
of this depth from this magnitude, leagues don't usually step
in this, and the NFL, for the first time ever
can sit there and go like, look, we tried, why
did they settle? I think you know, Like again, if
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we're really really honest. Okay, we're really honest. People settle
for a myriad of reasons. They don't want other things
coming out. They don't want their process challenged. They don't
there's other things that get put on display when you
go through an actual appeals process that even the side
(14:56):
that feels like they're gonna win doesn't want exposed. So
I hear you, guys, but I'm more inclined to think
it's I thought a season was about right. I understand
I thought six was was was way too light, and um,
in the at some point you just signed the deal
(15:16):
and get it done and get a punishment, Levied I
kind of I know it's a win for Deshaun, but
I don't think it's a huge l for the league.
John rommost your thoughts. I agree with you about the
win for Deshaun Watson. I definitely think it's it's that.
I also think that, um, the NFL could have done
(15:37):
something more, and I think they just kind of did
what kind of like they tried to do a middle
ground because I think they thought the season was too long,
but more than six was better. And yeah, that whole
thing about coming back at Houston, I mean, look, the
NFL's reality television at its best. I mean, that's kind
of interesting how it would it just happens to fall
(15:57):
on the Houston Texans where he comes back. Um, the
guy apologized a lot, He said the same thing over
and over again, and I kind of agree with you
as well. I mean, if there are legal procedures to
what happens, and if he did go pass those legal
procedures and they couldn't find anything, then you know our
I mean, our feelings are did Do I think he
did something wrong? Yes? I do, but you can't legally
(16:20):
prove it because they went through a court system that
couldn't legally prove something like that. So I'm not gonna
gonna try to be the you know, the bigger purveyor
of wisdom from our legal court system. So but yeah,
do I think he got off and was the winner
in this? I do believe that. Yes, had they had
have been twelve games, it would have been the Bengals
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on the road. Um, I don't know. I do wonder
how much that game mattered to anybody. I do. You
know it was thought to be a sticking point. Honestly
for all the talks that we've had over the last
month when the schedule came out that the NFL did
not want him to play in Houston. They did. That
was that was the messages that we were receiving in
(17:06):
why the NFL was was trying to settle for a
twelve game, ten million dollar suspension and then the end
it's eleven games and five million What a world? What
a world. By the way, that the other matchups that weekend,
just so you know, like you're like, oh, everybody will
everybody will be watching that one. Okay, So so that's
(17:28):
week was that week twelve, I believe because of the boy. Yeah,
because that was after Tampa. Obviously they didn't want him
in that. That Brady game I had to take away
from from Brady. The other games, the Sunday night game
is Dallas and Indie. You you have Chargers, by the way,
you have Chargers taken on the Raiders, which is another
(17:52):
a f C game, a late AFC game. The other
early games are Denver Baltimore. That's the that's the other
CBS game. Wow. How about how about CBS is gonna
have to choose between Denver and Baltimore and Cleveland and Houston.
They're gonna choose Denver in Baltimore. I don't think it's
even close. I feel like it's a It looks really
(18:16):
bad now. I don't think it will be as big
a watches as people think. At the end of the day,
it's still the Texans and we'll see what the Browns are.
Then in comparison to Denver and Baltimore, that one pales
in comparison. And then over the other side you got
Washington taken on New York. Who that's a big one. Um,
(18:37):
you have Green Bay taken on Chicago. Those are CBS game,
Fox game, Excuse me, so I don't know. Listen, this
is an open forum within reason eight seven, seven, nine
nine Fox. I understand where Jay st comes from, where
Dan Buyer comes from. Ramos feels somewhere in between those
(18:58):
two and me. I'm not all the way over on
the I'm not sitting there defending Deshaun Watson in any way.
I'm defending the kind of the process and how we
ended up here, right that and the fact that as
much as in the very short term we feel like, man,
that guy got got off. Here is a a former
judge who said, hey, to this point, six was the
(19:21):
most that I could do and feel good about it,
and then only the league was able to go back
and get five more games, nearly doubling the suspension. So
there there's a way of looking at it where it
seems a little bit stronger than how it's initially perceived.
Eight seven, seven ninety nine. Fox be sure to catch
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Sports Radio. All right, uh, let's uh, let's let's stop
all the baseball nonsense, talk about what people care about.
That's uh. The Great ice Cube joins us now on
(20:04):
the Doug Gottlieb Show. He's done just about everything. Obviously
started as a rapper, became everything from a producer, philanthropist,
movie star, and he started the Big Three. Joins us
in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Cube,
how are you what? I'm good Man good. I want
to talk Lakers with you in a second, but first
(20:24):
let's talk. This is Big Three Championship weekend. Um, this
is not your first full ray, but this is the
league has evolved and it's different for people who are
gonna tune in this weekend. What's different about the this
weekend from other championship weekends. Oh man, it's great because
we've got an All Star game before our championship games,
So get a chance to see the cream of the crop,
(20:48):
the best that the Big three has to offer when
it comes to individuals, and then you get to see
our two best teams go at it. Trilogy. They're going
for the third championship and our years and then you've
got Power going for the second championship and five years.
So um to powerhouse teams peeking at the right time,
(21:10):
playing at the right time. So it's gonna be fun. Yeah, Trilogy.
Don't they have to win a third title? Their name
is trilogy, they have to complete the trilogy. I think so,
but you never know. You know, Powers coached by Nancy Lieberman.
You know, she got them boys playing in the right
way at the right time, so I think they got
(21:30):
a little something to say about it. And uh, she's
going for her second title, so we'll see. Plus she's
coaching her son, t J. Klein. That's that's pretty cool.
You got a mother coach and her son who's a
stud as well. I just keep joining us on the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. You can get
a Big Three dot com slash tickets for more information.
Of course, that's the Big Three Championship game weekend at
(21:52):
State Farm Arina in Atlanta, Georgia, August one. That's August one,
of course, the full day. It starts at two a
clock Eastern time. Let's talk Lakers. Um, do you like
the idea of keeping Russell Westbrook? I don't mind that. Um.
You know, he had off year last year, but the
whole team did so I think this year it would
(22:14):
be a lot different if they have the running back.
It definitely can't do nothing but go up tell you that.
You know that last year was it was a bad feeling.
Lebron signed a two year extension instead, he could have
waited right that extension still would have been available to
him at the end of the year. What do you
think of Lebron saying, hey, two more years in l
A and I like the commitment. I think it's necessary
(22:40):
for the team to, you know, make major moves and
do things to try to get him another championship in
these next two years. You know, without that signature, I
don't know how you know the organization should go forward
with you know, possibly giving up draft picks and just
that another uh and and then not having the ban.
(23:02):
So um, I think he kind of had to do
it to get the Lakers to move in the right direction.
All right, what if part of the deal is you
gotta draft Brawny? Would you do it? If you're rob
to linka Yeah, why not? You know, I think it's
something that will motivate both players. Uh, you know, I
(23:23):
think it's it's great for the NBA of course. Um, definitely, Uh,
must see TV having you know, father and the son
play together. I don't know if that's ever happened in
the league. So you know, I think, you know, if
you can play on this level, why not? Yeah, I'm like, listen,
(23:43):
it's literally never happened before ever, never happened. For What's
what's crazy about it is, you know when he had
Ken griff Jr. And Ken Griffy Senior, it was Kenrif
Senior like, well, he'll still get to play whatever. He
didn't play a ton. It feels like the opposite in
this case, right like Lebron Granted it would be two
years from now, we don't know what his body is
like in two years, but do just average thirty a game.
(24:05):
The question would be more about his son than it
would be about Lebron pretty much, you know, and that
would be you know a lot of extra pressure on him. Um.
So you know, it could be a good thing, could
be a bad thing. You know, we have to wait
and see. Like you said, never happened. But you know me,
I'm I'm a little biased when it comes to five
(24:29):
inut his son uh showing the world what they got.
So you know a lot of people didn't think my
son could do it when it came to Stradida comping
and did a great job. So you know, I say,
let's try it right now. What is it? What is
that like to watch him on the big stream? It's
(24:49):
an it's an amazing, like a surreal experience, kind of
almost like an out of body experience because you know,
he kind of came into like I did, and I
was discovered by John Singleton who who kind of pursued
me for a couple of years to do Boys in
the Hood, and then I I kind of recruited my son.
(25:14):
I put him through the ring for a couple of
years for him to be able to do straight out
of company. So to see it all work out and
you know, to see that he was the best man
for the job. That's that. That to me was the
best part is you know, all the ice cubes they
were trying to audition, it was just the best one
(25:37):
to him. You've done, I mean, like your career, and
I mean it's not not over right. I mean, look,
you you've started and you run a professional basketball league.
You've been a movie star. Obviously with with everything you've
done your rap career, you've done amazing things. Do you
think about back in the mid eighties when you're growing
up in the valley, what what would if I were
(26:00):
to tell ice Q back then, I wish I did
grow up in the Valley. I grew up in South
cul I thought, I thought your wooland Hills. Then you
moved to the move to moved to South CenTra l
a nah nah noah. I was buzzed from South Central
to the Valley school. But I had to go back
every day. I had to go back home every day.
So all right, so so you're in South you're in
(26:21):
South you're in South Central, you're riding on that. If
I were to tell if I were to tell you
back then, all these things you've done, what would surprise
you the most? Um, I mean, starting to lead, you know,
starting to pro league were probably surprised me the most.
(26:43):
And maybe movies. You know, I just when I first started,
I just wanted to be the best best rapper in
the world. You know, that was my my goal. And
so these other things are our opportunities. And you know,
I mean the league is something different. You know, that's
a whole another level. The league. Everything else. The league's
(27:08):
incredible because look now you walk into a room and
the great thing about the Big Three is these are
known very good to great players in the NBA, and
like they're your guys, right that they many of them
joined the league, you know, and obviously Steven Jackson, these
guys joined the league because of the legitimacy you brought
(27:30):
to it. That might be the most impressive part of
the whole thing. Yeah. I think I'm the best recruiter
in the United States man, without a doubt, getting you know.
I mean we've had from Alan Iverson to March out
of Mine, you know, come through the league. Um, you know,
he said Stephen Jackson, Joe Johnson, Uh, Patino Mowgli. Uh
(27:58):
you know. So we've had some great players come through
the league. But now what's cool about the Big Three
is we're developing young stars that you know who are
Big Three stars, like Kevin Murphy, Isaiah Briscoe, um, Isaiah Austin,
and so that's what's cool too. And guys who you know,
(28:20):
like the Royce White who never really got the shot
in the NBA like they were supposed to. Or he's
in the championship game on Sunday. So it's very cool. Yeah,
it's it's it's really an amazing thing. Isaiah Austin. Of
course his NBA career cut short because he had the
hard issue. Now he's back. You mentioned Royce and and
so many others. You can watch it on CBS and
(28:41):
Paramount Plus. You want tickets Big three dot com slash tickets,
uh QBA, You're gonna give us a little Who do
you think wins between Trilogy and Power? Well, you know,
I think Glenn Rice Jr. Is gonna play great for Power.
Isaiah of Briscoe, I think Earl Clark and uh Wis
(29:04):
White they're gonna play great. So you gotta look at
the hedge factors, hedge factors. Are you know Patino Mobley? Um,
you know how how will he play? James White? Uh?
T J Klein? You know these guys to be the
reason they team win or lose. Tina Mobley still getting buckets,
Still getting buckets? Cube, thanks so much for joining us.
(29:26):
Well appreciate you be I guest appreciating any time. All right,
that's the great ice Cube joining us. Still out of
the show. Fox Sports Radio. Um, J stre We're like
your similar age, similar background. You know what's cool is
or what's interesting is my son likes still listens to
n w A to this to this day, like he's thirteen.
(29:48):
I don't know if I'm supposed to live, but I'm
I'm screwed up, but not so screwed up that I
wouldn't you know if I grew up with it. Did
your son ever listen to n w A. No, No,
that's kind of off his radar. Uh, he's like a
Mumford and Sons guy. And then he likes a bunch
of classic rock. But no, the hip hop thing hasn't
quite hit with my son yet. And I think I
(30:09):
told you that hip hop to me is like a
recent thing. I got into like contemporary hip hop only
like five years ago, and I really enjoy it, and
I'm just circling back to the nineties stuff. In fact,
Dan Buyer for Christmas got me a great book about
hip hop in the nineties, so I'm reading that. But
that's the long answer your question. Now, he doesn't listen
(30:30):
to hip hop. Okay, So you didn't listen to hip
hop or your kid you listen to when you're a kid.
I was all about in in the eighties and nineties.
I was all about that k rock kind of alternate
sound and Iron Maiden and a bunch of classic rock.
So I have a sixteen year old daughter who was
just she was cooking yesterday. She made beer cheese, really
(30:52):
really good from scratch beer cheese, and uh, Core's like,
by the way, the answer to the beer. But it
was a weird. It was a weird, like when I
was in Israel, a buddy stay at my house and
I was like, where'd you get the Coors light? She's
like your fridge. It's like really, And I was like,
that's that's right, because I mean, like one straight straight Coors,
(31:13):
like like I can't. I have no I have no
issue with Cores light. But I'm generally a Madelo guy.
Um but I was like a random like I thought
there would be a Madelo and I was wondering how
the Medelo would taste in the beer cheese, And then
there's your classic Coors lighting there. I was like, that
kind of seems to make more sense. You are a guy.
There were way too many Medello's left at the end
(31:35):
of our round, and I had I had to drive
back like two and a half three. It doesn't matter, Doug.
We should definitely drink and drive on this shop. She
that's that's sarcasm. Yes, I think what he's saying is
and look, there's nothing like how I ever told you
guys my cold beer story. No, okay, here's yeah. Do
(31:59):
you have a mess of from Niza? No? This is
this is this, and it's better than the sci. I
knew he went to Taft High School. I forgot that
he was bust to Taft High School. That was my
issue with with with with Cube. I think he was
from the valley. I thought he grew up. I thought
he was in the valley and he had to move
to move moved to the hood. My bad anyway. Um So,
I was never really a beer guy growing up. My
(32:21):
dad didn't drink beer until he was type two diabetic,
and then like in his sixties, his doctors like, you
should have a beer a day, so he would all
take between like a beer or a glass of red wine.
That's it anyway, So we were really like a beer family. Um.
And then you know, like in high school, guys who
drink like sane IDEs, which is rough, no thanks, you drink.
(32:43):
You're like, I don't know why anybody likes beer. Um.
I remember cracking my first cold beer, you know, like
when you get home from college, like I'm gonna go
crack a beer, you know, and you don't even say
anything next to the old man. You just sit there
and watch a ballgame and drink a beer and you
wait for him to say something to you, and he doesn't.
You guys know that that that moment anybody's been away
from home you come back in, You're like that that
(33:05):
is your one, like I'm a man now sort of thing.
But I was gonna be h It was in the
summer before my senior year in college. Coach got me
a job and I was doing um demo for a
guy in town for a guy was like flipping houses, okay,
and it's since still Water. And the thing they don't
(33:27):
tell you about, they like the sale on demo is
like you get to just beat the crap out of anything,
like destroy a house for an entire day, like any
anger you get, you get out in that mallet or
a hammer, or you just kick things down right, and
then you gotta clean it out. That's the not fun part.
And it's dusty, but you wear a mask, you wear gloves,
and then you just you just basically crushed stuff all day.
(33:48):
The problem with it is when you're doing demo, there's
no air conditioning and you're in still Water, Oaklome and
it's hot, hotter than Hades. But at five o'clock they
would go and get a case of cold beer. And
it didn't matter if it was Natty light, natty ice
or Cool's light, whatever it was. There is nothing on
earth like that, right, There's nothing. And at that point
(34:13):
in your life you're like, I get the cold beer thing.
I completely I did not get it. And then I
worked a hard day, blue collar labor and had a
cool beer, like you know what, a hundred years of
grown men. I ain't wrong. This thing goes down really
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Welcome in, Welcome in. There is one big story of
the day, and there is another story the day, which
(34:56):
is I think has probably longer lasting ramification. But it's
not it It had, you know, like this, It's been
previously been reported, but it's not as big as de
Shaun Watson. That's the Big Ten moving away from ESPN
officially and NBC by the way back in play as
they now have Notre Dame and the Big Ten um,
as well as the fact that you got uh CBS
(35:19):
and Fox getting more and more Big Ten games. We'll
get to that upcoming, but let's let's talk about what
we have learned today. Deshaun Watson is now suspended for
the next eleven games, first eleven games, and he won't
be back in the building until October tenth. I believe
he'll be find five million dollars plus all the game
(35:40):
checks for those, so it's like six million in change. Gigantic. Fine,
here's Deshaun Watson standing by his innocence. Well, I've always
stood on my innocence and always said that I've never
assaulted anyone or di suspected anyone, and I'm continued to
stand on that, but at the same time, have to
continue to push forward in my life, in my career,
(36:02):
and for us to be able to move forward, you know,
I have to be able to take steps and pit
prior to the side. And I'm gonna continue to stand
on my innocence and keep pushing forward. And I've always,
you know, stood on not disrespecting or sexual assault or anyone.
So um So, this one's hard, right if you're apologizing,
but then you're saying you never forget about assaulting anybody,
(36:26):
You never disrespected anybody. Here's the Shaun Watson trying to
clarify what he's apologizing for. I apologize beforehand. I think
the second time I spoke to you guys, I actually apologized,
but I think for some people it didn't uh maybe
register as I as I was apologizing, but you know,
I just wanted to clarify, you know, I was apologizing
(36:47):
to all women and people that was affected about this
situation because it's, uh, you know, it's it's definitely a
tough situation. Here's Jimmy has them Okay, who's the owner
of the clear Van Browns, Cleveland Browns getting the biggest
contract in the history of support all guaranteed. Here's here's Jimmy.
Since DeShawn came into our building in April, he has
(37:08):
done everything we have asked of him and more and
he has been the person, the leader that we expected
him to be. And I think he understands where he
is in his life. It's a pivotal point, and we
as an organization are gonna do everything we can to
help him not only be the best football player he
can be, but more importantly, to be the best person
(37:29):
he can be, And we're gonna support him in every
way possible during the suspension and during what will hopefully
be a long career with the Cleveland Browns. And I
don't think anybody knew how many games Deshaun might miss.
I mean, if we didn't know until definitively till today, Okay.
I think it's important to remember Deshaun is twenty six
years old, okay, and as a high level NFL quarterback,
(37:52):
and we're planning on being our quarterback for a long time. Okay.
Here's d has Them. That's obviously the wife of Jimmy
Haslem and her thoughts on the matter. In counseling takes time.
You don't just go to accountling session and wake up
and and and understand the impact it has. I think
it's a layering effect. It takes weeks, months, a long
(38:15):
time to get where you understand so much more about yourself.
And I think DeShawn has made progress from the time
he came here until now. He's making progress. But it's
not gonna happen overnight. He you know, he's twenty six
years old and he's just getting into counseling. I think
it's gonna take some time, alright, So um they Jimmy
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hasm has also come out and said where a country's
second chances? The question is if a guy doesn't think
he did anything wrong, what is then a second chance
for right? Um? I do agree with the caller we
had earlier, and we don't usually take calls one reason
is because usually calls aren't as insightful. But a woman
named Cheryl called us, and she's like, look, if he
admits to criminal wrongdoing, Uh, there's no reason that a
(38:58):
criminal case can't be reopened. She's right, Um, but he's
maintained his innocence even though he signed the screament. An
agreement and a and a settlement does not mean that
he is not an admission of guilt. It's also not
an admission of innocence, but it's not a mission of guilt,
and to say otherwise wouldn't be fair. Now, the the lawyer,
the judge who initially ruled on this, agreed with the
(39:21):
NFL and determined that, um, there are three different factors
in sexual assault, but from the NFL, and not all
of them are actually having to do with assault itself.
It should be pointed out, um, But she agreed with it.
So you have one judge who ruled in the NFL's favor,
another judge who was likely to rule the NFL's favor.
(39:42):
But the NFL. It's probably smarter to just get this
thing done, even if it's six games less than you
wanted and five games more than he was gonna get
and so they acquiesce and and give him what looks
like a game back, so he plays again Houston. I
don't know, like I'm I'm supposed to offer up this opinion, like,
(40:05):
do I think it's super creepy what he's done? Of course,
of course anybody does, like what how many women? Uh?
And but I'm also not somebody that it doesn't have
to be the volume of it in order to prove
to me that something is wrong with how he's acting
and what he actually needs. None of that proves sexual
(40:27):
as salt, And the fact that there's no criminal case
leads me to think, Okay, there's some sort of gray
area here with the ones that really went for uh,
kind of the full on civil case as opposed to
many of the others were added in the class action
and then settled quickly. But all it takes is one
negative act against a woman to sit there and go like,
(40:50):
why why are we giving this dude the biggest contract ever?
I still think it looks bad for the Browns. They
don't come out looking good. They don't come out looking
Jimmy hasn't. We don't know how many games like it
didn't matter, you knew what he was facing. But he's
super talented, he's super likable. There's obviously a lot that
(41:11):
in his life that he hasn't shared with people. I
do think counseling helps. I don't know exactly what took place.
I also know that there's been no criminal charges, though
twice it's gone to the grand jury, and that leaves
me scratching my head over what actually happened. But he
did something wrong. He got punished more severely than anybody
(41:33):
else had been. The NFL I think, in this particular case,
looks about as strong as they've ever looked, even if
they don't look as strong as many people would like
them to look. And the Browns essentially lose the season
because they tied their ship to a wayward doc. And
that may be punishment enough for people. Jason Stewart, John Rama,
(41:57):
Jason Stewart and Dan Buyer don't think it's nearly enough.
I'm not sure there is actually a number that would
be enough. I'm also realistic that this is pretty this
is pretty substantial. Could have been more. I wouldn't be bad,
and I this is what they agreed to, and in
both sides agree. I don't know where really where to
go with it. Yes, Gen Rolos. When when Jimmy Hassm said, Hey,
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this guy is twenty six years old, it's got a
lot of years ahead of him as as a Cleveland
Browns quarterback, do you think he's missing the point of
the whole thing or do you think he's just looking
at strictly the you know, the nuts and bolts of
of his ownership and what he needs to do as
the Cleveland Browns moved forward. I think he spoke out
of a place of honesty, but I don't think I
(42:43):
don't think that it it landed where it should have landed.
Had he said, look, he's twenty six years old, Obviously
there have been mistakes made, and we're here for him
the next five years for him to learn and hopefully
be our quarterback as long as he continues to evolve
and improve as a person. That would have landed differently
(43:03):
than Hey's twenty six years so, And the reality is
he's twenty six years old. If he didn't get in
trouble anymore and he wins the Super Bowl, no one's
gonna say, you know, this will be simply a footnote.
And that's the reality of all sports. Look, the reality
of sports is this And I have covered some. I'll
never forget my first Final four I covered for CBS. Right.
All I said was Louisville won the national championship. And
(43:29):
I believe the way I word it was, you know
when you can see like something like when you consider
some of the things that Rick Pettino, this is before
the strippers in the dorm thing came out, right, but
this was everyone knew of the Italian restaurant and some
of the other accusations of things. If when you knew
(43:49):
about if you knew about all the things that Rick
Pettino kind of went through to raise Louisville to a
national championship level, Right, this is an unbelievable come story.
That's what I said. But there were people that pulled
me aside, like did you have to mention that? Like
that's part of the story. But that's not how we
cover sports. Like with the exception of what I did
(44:12):
seven years ago, nobody go looks back that far. They
just don't. I guess Twitter does. But it's like once
you get past like a year or two later, you know,
if you go through counseling, you say them all better.
We kind of let it go. I didn't say that's right.
I'm just telling you it's reality of J Studio still
(44:34):
is fired up. I think more so actually than I
was two hours ago. Just just reading the reaction from
Twitter and thinking about this more. Um, I think the
NFL just kind of deceived us this whole time. I mean,
when when Goodell comes out and says that he's a
predator and that he deserves at least a year, I
(44:54):
thought that I thought he was getting it right. At
that point, we saw major League Baseball get Trevor Bauer
two years. That case did not go to a criminal court,
and the woman was asking for it, but he got
two years. Uh, everyone's everyone in this whole situation is
acting like he did something wrong, except for the person
that did something wrong. Like the Browns are saying that
(45:17):
we need that he's gonna seek counseling for what? What
is he seeking canceling for? You and I have both
been to therapy. The first step in therapy is admitting
that something's wrong. That's the first step in the twelve step. Okay,
that's the first step in the twelve step. But I've
been to therapy as well, and I had to admit
that I had failures about things. I mean, how does
(45:38):
he go to counseling and work through this if he's
if he's not even willing to admit it. Um. That
you know, when when Haslum says that he's twenty six
years old and that's an important thing to remember, what
does that have to do with anything that he's made mistakes?
What mistakes? He hasn't admitted to any mistakes? Um? But yeah,
I think I think the NFL comes out looking really
(45:59):
weak on this, and I think it's real dirty that
they're going to take advantage of the fact that he's
returning to Houston for his big return to NFL moment
against the team that he jilted. Um. Yeah, none of
this sits well with me at all. To be honest, Fire,
I don't think I'm as fired up as you were
(46:19):
about my Calvin Ridley comment earlier. UM, I am. Listen.
I I I think when I hear Jimmy Haslum say
what he says, I agree with you, Doug in in
the the point of if they go on to win
a Super Bowl, Um, the people of Cleveland will forget
(46:39):
and UH, that's all that's going to matter. And I
think that's what that's like the point that I feel
like Jimmy haslem is always is always speaking about but
not to sit on the fence. I think to Jason's
point about, it's the NFL letting uh, the people who
felt watson suspension should be longer, including myself, of kind
of letting us down and uh just being like, all right,
(47:03):
let's settle this and move on. And I mentioned earlier
how I felt that the NFL probably wanted to throw
the you know, the book at him or at least
give him that one year suspension, but then they also
realized they don't want this hanging around next year. Um.
I think it really really really stinks, but nothing is
going to be done about it. So the anger towards
(47:25):
it is you know, that's I mean, it's it's done
like it's you know, there's nothing, there's nothing that can
be done. And I think that's like the disappointing and
really deflating, uh part about it. And just because he
didn't like, am I wrong in saying this? That the
(47:46):
whole grand jury, the whole thing of why he's not
charged is basically he said, she said, And what came
down to a room where there were no cameras and
there's only two people, Like, I mean, isn't isn't that
like what it comes down to? Yes, Uh, yes, and
have been difficult, but let me but let me let me,
let me finish you real quick. If we're going to
(48:08):
be fair. There have been plenty of other guy girl,
he said, she said, which have led to charges. Right,
so you know, like again that that's the problem with
proving sexual assault is end of the day, there's only
two people in the room, and you know who's whose
(48:29):
whose word? Do you do you take from it? Uh?
My guests would be And again I haven't gone into
this is not a show where we do these in
depth investigations, so you just kind of look from you know,
from from from a parachute, if you will, and you're like,
you know, the end of the day. Yes, it was,
but it wasn't just he's it wasn't it? She said?
There were several She said, I think there's some I
(48:50):
think there was some issues with some of the things
that were said, how they were said, and does it
does it rise anywhere near the level of sexual assault
in a criminal case? So I think that that has
to be an issue with it. Yeah, again, it doesn't
mean it didn't happen. But I could just say, like
it strikes everybody, it strikes me as odd that twice
was brought to a grand jury and no charges were brought.
And I and I think that there's also like the
(49:12):
point of when you're talking about the caller earlier, like
and to the point that you just made it doesn't
mean that it didn't do it. It is also just
isn't to the point of whether the prosecution feels that
they could get a conviction on this or it would
be difficult to at least prove that he did that.
And that doesn't that doesn't prove innocent. It just proves
that they probably couldn't have defended their case how they
wanted to. So. But but that's not that's and I
(49:34):
could be wrong, and I'm not a lawyer, Okay, but
that's not that's whether or not you choose to charge somebody,
you choose to proceed with charges. The indictment has nothing
to do with whether or not it's provable. I believe
I think that the indictment is based can they can
they get an indictment from a grand jury, which has
nothing to do with the lawyers. I think it could
(49:54):
be wrong. In the end, I wish that the NFL
would have stuck to their guns. Uh they didn't. It
was disappointing to hear six games and it gets disappointing
to hear eleven in the end on this um. But
it's I mean, it's done, so it is. It is
at some point it is crying over. It sounds like
(50:16):
we have to become Deshaun Watson fans, you know, because
and and and in this world where we're told we
have less and less, fewer and fewer enemies. Right in sports,
it's okay, like you're really mad, you know, cheer against
the Browns every game, not that hard and usually you'll
end up in the positive. It's just it's still the
There're still the Browns. It's still the Browns. We can
(50:38):
talk about how complicated. I mean, like, look the Browns.
How about the fact that they gotta go against Baker
Mayfield first week of the season, Like that's that. It's
truly and I'm gonna be an amazing year in Cleveland.
Wait what what we have the Carolina Panthers and Baker
Mayfield first week this season? Well, that's interesting.
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