September 26, 2023 • 46 mins
On the Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about how the Colorado Buffalos have brought heat upon themselves by the way they have acted, and Coach Prime doesn't seem concerned about it as he continues to play the victim with the media.
NFL Analyst John Middlekauff joins Doug to talk about Coach Prime, the Eagles and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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I don't want to say check please. Well, you start
to understand all of the factors that play with Colorado football,
(01:11):
and I'm sure that many of you are sitting there
going hold on, DG. We had two Monday night football
games last night. Why can't you react to those like
they were not great games and Eagles were far better
than Tampa. Jalen Hurts wasn't feeling good, didn't play well,
didn't matter. Team's just way better and you know, Joe
(01:33):
Burrow on one leg. They found a way to get
it done. My biggest takeaway is I I struggle with
anybody who doesn't love those Bengals uniforms. You know, you
know there's people like, hey, we're not going to be friends.
Like if you on Thanksgiving, don't turn on the TV
to have football on as at least ambient sound. We're
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never going to be friends even in a sports a
landscape if you don't like those how can you not
like those Bengals uniforms? But like, that's kind of all
I got from that game. You know, Matt Stafford does
a bad pick. You know, there's Jalen Hurst doesn't look
the same as last year. We could we could pick
(02:19):
and choose some things, but Tuesday's usually held back for
college football, and some interesting stuff happened yesterday. First, there
was a video that all of these schools have their
own we'll call them digital teams. We have our own
digital team at at Fox Sports Radio. All of these
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schools have their own digital team, and the bigger the school,
the better the video production. And there's a video that
Colorado put out. It's like a five minute video and
it encapsulates the game and it's really well done and
it's really telling. And I can't tell you unequivocally if
Colorado's players, you know, if they if they excume me,
(03:08):
if Oregon's players didn't talk any trash. But it was
clearly outlined by Dan Lanning the night before the game
that we're not going to say anything. We're going to
say it with our helmets and our pats. And there's
a well looks like a strength coach saying, don't give
it any energy. And there's video of Shiloh Sanders, whose
(03:28):
of course Dean's Sun, his talented cornerback. He actually had
seven tackles on the day, talking all kinds of junk,
all kinds of junk. Should be noted. There was a
story out yesterday that Shiloh Sanders checked himself into the
hospital upon arrival back into Boulder because he had some
internal blee had some bleeding in his urine. I guess
(03:50):
he got hitting the kidney. But when you look at
when you watch it, you sit there and go and
and Dan Lanning had a great answer to a question
yesterday about Skip Bayless and this Keyshawn Johnson story that
other coaches said had had reached out to Oregon to
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give them help, and that Dan Lanning was, you know,
trying to make a point with you know, trying to
run it up on Colorado and underlying tones by the
way of racism. And then when you see the video,
it's pretty telling. Like again, I've said a lot like
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Dan Lanning, I think what Dion in terms of the
energy he's bringing. That was the number one rated college
football game. It got over ten million viewers and it
was not competitive at all. But people are into this
Dion thing. And I'd say you're getting to the point
where there is a portion to people that are, like
you know, I said last week, kind of ready for
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them to lose, kind of ready for them to get
a little come up in and they did because there's
nothing wrong with confidence. There's nothing wrong with a little
bit of swagger. And it's a lot like you know,
the old Supreme Court definition of pornography. I know it.
You'll know when you see it, you know, arrogance and hunting.
When you saw it. I saw it with the flashing
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of the watches. We can say, well, you know, DJ
Collin's doing it again. That's your guide. And I understand.
This is how Dion played, This is how he lives
his life. He's been incredibly successful. But then you get this.
This is Dion Sanders who said he was ask during
a Zoom conference call yesterday why he thinks people keep
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making it personal and about him. His response is, you
know why that is? Just say it. Don't try to
get me and provoke me to say it. Just say it, man.
I mean, some of y'all gotta have some balls sooner
or later and or say what it is. You can't
provoke me to say say it. I'm not built like that.
(06:04):
And I think what Dion believes is what he said
earlier in his This is like two weeks ago in
his press conference about his distractors.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't take my time to respond and to defend myself.
Why would I do that. I'm giving you a microphone.
If I'm doing that, I'm giving you solids that you're
in my life. I don't care. I really don't. So
if it's been that way all my life, you would
think that I'm used to it. I'm not new to this.
I'm true to this and I keep going. So I'm
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good with that. Man, I'm good with that. This is
a comfortable place for me.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So what do you teach your guys in the locker room?
Who are It's about us. It's not about them. It's
about us. Everywhere we go, even in your durned families.
You're gonna have detractors, you gonna have naziers. You have
doubtless even in your durned family. And you guys are all
shaking my head and checking your heads like, yeah, yeah,
my aunt she ain't no good. I know my sister thinking, yeah,
she's eating right now.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You don't tell the truth that it's gonna be like that.
God would always allow somebody to be in your path
that have a disdain or dislike for you. Is up
to you to keep going. I don't stop. I keep going.
I don't have to stop in me, not whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Man. So, I mean, I guess the infer why does
There's only one possible answer. I guess I don't know
what he's inferring, And the inference has to be that
do people. First of all, I don't know if anybody
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who dislikes Deon Sanders. I think what you get, what
you get frustrated by, is that Dion, who's always been flashy,
always been confident, and sometimes been arrogant. You know that
he's sending young men out to battle to play football
with that same level of confidence, borderline arrogance, sometimes crossing
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over to arrogance with one not the sub since then
two they step over the line like look, Shylo Sanders
is talking about I'm gonna kick all your asses and
your coaches too, Like what that is not about us
in our locker room and making it about us? That's
straight up trash talk. Dude got put in the hospital,
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they got run out of the building. I don't even
know how to have a conversation with anyone who thinks
it's about anything other than like, look, dude, you run
your mouth like that and then you get beat. The
only thing you can do is walk off the field,
shake hands and say we got our butts cooked, we're
not that good, which is what Dion did. But it's
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what his players are doing that's irritating people. And it's
what I think about biproduct. The fans have done, and
you get defensive and Dion is not defensive, although I
do think you know, you go back a couple weeks
ago and he said it was about, you know, people
uncomfortable with a confident black man. Like no, I don't,
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not in sports, not in college football. All these all
these coaches are confident, arrogant, sort of crazy. But what
we're not used to is players that haven't accomplished much
of anything except for winning a couple of games, walking
around picking out opponents, talking about them, and then when
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they get beat, when they well, you know, we're not
any good anyway. I mean, I just if I'm Colorado,
I'm mortified by that video. Mortified and the snippets we
saw of Dan Lanning talking about the Cinderella story is over.
(09:47):
We're about wins, not about clicks, right, you watch for
more of the substance that we're talking about. And I
also think that part of what Dan said in a
more elongated speech we didn't see the whole the whole
thing was this is the new organ. I even think
he says, like, look, there was a time which organ
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got a little too flashy, got a little too much
about the schmaltz, a little bit too much about the bling,
a little bit too much about you know, uniforms, instead
of hey, being about substance. They were better prepared, they
were more focused, they were more physical. They out executed them.
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They completely wiped the field to Colorado, and Deand's response
after the game, for the most part, was perfect right
and he's he's right, and he says why are they people?
When people ask why are you personalizing it, it's because
his answers become personalized. He was the one after the
game who said, hey, if you're gonna get me, get
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me now, because it's the worst I'll ever be. Like,
there's all a bunch of eyes in that answer. So
all of the questions are gonna be or criticism is
going to be I related. If you make the program
about one person, the head coach, well then that's what
all of the energy is going to be directed towards.
Then don't go, well, you're just making it about me,
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because no, you're making about you. It's literally called coach Prime. You.
All of their gear is about Prime. It's not about
the players. It's really not even the Travis Hunter thing
that happened yesterday where in front of the team he
reads a text from Travis Hunters's coach. I don't care
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about health. I want to play and deon Sayers and
I do think again, this is you cut him open
as heart as is huge. He's like, no, man, I
can't let you play. You got a lot of you
got great things to accomplish. It ain't about one football game.
But it's the I did this. I said you can't play.
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I'm the one who knows it's about more than in football.
You can't go. I I make the program about one person,
and then say, why is the criticism? Why is everything
the energy directed towards me? You made it about you.
That's who the direction is, Jase. Do am I missing
anything there?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
No, no, I really act your point And I kind
of wanted to piggyback on that. John. Could we play
at least a very beginning of the sound you just
play prime.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I don't take my time to respond and to defend myself.
Why would I do that. I'm giving you a microphone.
If I'm doing it, I'm giving you solids that you're
in my life. I don't care. I really don't. So
it's if it's been that way all my life, you
would think that I'm used to it. I'm not new
to this. I'm true to this and I keep going.
So I'm good with that.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Man, this is a.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Comfortable place for me.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
So what do you teach your guys in the locker room?
It's not about them, about.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Us, Doug. The question was about what are you teaching
your players? In other words, to your point, those players
before the game that were caught on video doing that
stuff I thought was just completely disgraceful. I really did.
And if you could, if you could say that they
were playing mind games, that's one thing. I just thought
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they were being disrespectful. They're not being coached, and what
you know what, what's the old adage? I don't know. If
you're not if you're not coaching it, you're allowing it
or whatever. I think that the reporter tried to ask
that question and the dion just went on to some
thing about about himself. That's the contradiction, I think, Doug.
As I'm listening to you talk about this, it's everyone
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keeps playing the woe is Me card? Why is everyone
picking on Colorado? Well, you're allowing your players to act
this way, And frankly, I think Doug, he's putting his
players in harm's way. You talk about the Travis Hunter,
I think he has like a lacerated liver. You talk
about it, his son having like kidney problems.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
His other probably a lacerated kidney.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
His other son was driven into the turf last week
so bad that the kid was kicked out of the game.
Like he's almost putting his players in harms way by
not coaching that kind of disrespectful talk that we saw
to Oregon. They're gonna start playing some really good teams here, Dug.
And these teams aren't just out to beat them. They
seem to be out to make them look bad too.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, and and Kylauta State, it's not okay that you
hit a guy after the whistle. It's not okay. But
what I think you're getting at is like, no matter
how well coached or how well like, Colados State kind
of lost their minds a little bit. They should have
won that game. There was a holding call even the
first half on their center. They would have been up
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twenty eight fourteen, But they kind of lost their minds
a little bit. But part of it is like you're
you're turbo charging guys that there. It's it's like it's
like you put nitrous inside of a Chevy Nova, right, like,
we think it's just gonna make everything faster and everything better.
(15:10):
But sometimes those engines explode because they're not meant to
be play at that level. They're not meant to drive
at that speed. And everybody has in eu odometer or
something that goes up to like one hundred or something,
but that doesn't mean you drive that fast in that car.
They start shaking and they become incredibly difficult to control.
And that's what's happening here, is that every game is
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becoming everyone's biggest game. And it's like football is a
very violent sport. I don't need to tell people, but
if you haven't realized it, you make you make a
really good point. And you're sending guys out there and
they're talking trash and they're becoming faces of Colorado football,
but they're also becoming faces of trash talk. And when
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what every football coach I ever played for would tell me, okay,
is the same thing essentially that these guys are like,
play through the whistle to the end of the whistle,
but they want to talk. You do all you're talking
with how hard you hit them? And look at the
results the past two weeks. Yeah, that doesn't mean that
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you need to be super fake humble. That doesn't mean
that you need to mumble and say yes or and
somehow appease the masses. There's a big gap there. There's
a gap there between that and the week before Travis.
I mean, like you could not be a more direct
correlation's video of Travis Hunter saying you're weak, you're soft,
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You're not you're not tough, you're not big. You know,
nobody's scared of you. And then he gets hit and
put in the hospital, and then the very next week,
Shiloh Sanders saying he's gonna kick everybody's asses. You guys
are really small? Why are they so small? Laughing at
them as they're warming up, dust their feet off on
the O and then guests who ends up also going
(17:03):
to the hospital, Like there's a This is pretty simple stuff.
So again, are we gonna watch this weekend? Of course,
there's gonna be energy towards USC running it up on them.
Of course, are they gonna be some really hard hits?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Does that mean that Colorado has to walk in like
they fear like they fear USC?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Absolutely not. You are you have to have a belief
in self. You have to have a belief in your teammates,
and you have to think, hey, we're better than you.
I don't care what your names. I love that shador
standers start of the year. I'm not scared of names.
Don't be. But you also, and this is a big thing,
you have to respect your opponents. And those last two
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teams specifically felt disrespected. And when people feel disrespect, they
can it can happen in all kinds of ways. I mean,
look what happened to Spider in Goodfellas, right y, I
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thought you said, I thought you said of you? Okay, Spider,
I thought you said of you you okay? Right. All
it takes is one dude who's crazy looney tunes to
hit you after the whistle or hits you really really
hard in just the right spot, and we see what happened.
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Bettis and Ben Roethlisberger either proving their coaches didn't adjust
or they just making stuff up. Patriots living rent free
in some former Steelers heads. We'll get to that upcoming.
Should point out that we had too at least fairly
(19:14):
competitive Monday night football games. Bengals game, obviously a lot
more competitive, is decided by three points. Rams had a touchdown,
It was six all Ramos. Did you think that the
Bengals got that time out on time when the Rams
scored what would have been a go ahead touchdown and
put them up thirteen to six.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Well, I'm gonna be honest with you right now about that.
And here's the honest point. I was waiting for the
Rams game to start on ABC seven here locally in
Los Angeles, and guess what they were showing me. The
Philadelphia Eagles Tampa Bay Buccaneers game. The Rams game was
on the main ESPN. I don't have ESPN. I could
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not watch the game locally in Los Angeles. I have
never seen that before. I've never seen the local team
pushed off and the other game put on the main channel.
Maybe they thought that that game was much more because
it was Philadelphia. I don't know if you have an
answer for this, but I was quite shocked that I
couldn't see.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
The game here locally in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I honestly, I'm gonna be once to you. I don't remember.
Which wasn't that the way it was nationally? Guys? Mean,
did anybody else?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
I so you're saying all of the nations saw the Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
TELCA they made I don't think they made an adjustment
based upon.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Local Okay, well, if that was the case, then I
did not get to see the game because I don't
have ESPN.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
You don't have ESPN, No, you a cord cutter.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
We did that, yes, but I do have ESPN Plus.
But I guess they don't give you ESPN the main
one if you have ESPN Plus.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yea, they do.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
They do, because I tried to watch it and I
kept saying, what is your provider? And I said, my
provider is the money I give you for ESPN Plus.
So I don't know what the deal is there, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
We need a ruling from Isaac Lonkron noted cord cutter extraordinaire.
That's he's actually off the grid. Is social Security number
is zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero Ilo.
Can I get a ruling here on ESPN? Can you
get ESPN on ESPN Plus?
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Ramos is absolutely right, you have to have it through
your TV provider in order to sign up via ESPN Plus,
which I discovered in the same outraged fashion. I think
it was either last year or a couple of years ago.
The bigger question, though I was shocked loocked. I was
(21:44):
shocked at Rams Bengals was not the ABC game because that, nationally,
I think is the better and more prominent matchup.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
But that's just me that that obviously means they're so
just so we're aware of how it actually works. And
though I know you know this and Ramos does this,
I'm talking more to people listening to the show. Okay,
there are there are people who are programming experts at
every network, and I don't know how the calculation is done,
(22:15):
but they have to come up with who plays on
what network at what time in order to get the
greatest ratings. It doesn't mean it always works, but more
often than not. Yeah, they know there's there's a calculus
that goes with it. So they had to have calculated
that did the ABC games start earlier? The ESPN game
start earlier?
Speaker 7 (22:35):
The ABC games started earlier because when their game ended,
the Rams game was still going on.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Right, So that's part of it, right, Ok. You have
you have the Eagles who are East Coast Eastern time zone,
you have Tampa East Coast Eastern time zone. And I
would guess that the Eagles, who are NFC champions, I
would guess that they're a bigger draw. That's that's it's
the it's what you're getting is the reason is people
don't care about the Rams and Bengals as much as
(23:02):
they care about the Eagles. Not really, the Tampay Buckers
and on. Honestly, Baker make will make people watch TV
a little bit, sure, but that there's a there's a
calculation to it, and that must be what the calculation is.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Yeah, So to answer your question, I didn't see the
play you're talking about because I didn't get to see
the game. I just saw it up in the corner
of the Eagles.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Tampa Bay just had that, like right up in the corner.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
They had the score going on, and I had no
idea what was happening. So, yeah, sucked for me, but
I guess not for the rest of the country.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I guess I don't know if it was great for
the rest of the country. It was a better game.
Well you missed in the If you watch the Eagles game,
you know Jalen Hurts was okay through two picks, one touchdown,
not moving as well either. Here you're dealing after the game.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
You know, you get you got three wins down, and
so we're gonna we're gonna get to you to build
off of that. We're gonna continue to build as a team,
hold each other accountable, grow, grow, grow and learn, you know,
that's the name of the game.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So he says all of the right things. He says
all of the right things, and I think he does
all of the right things. But I gotta say that
how does one go from being a I don't know
if he's a long term starting quarterback to franchise quarterback, MVP,
(24:24):
potential face of the league in one year. And so
we could say this is classic regressing towards the mean.
And I'm not saying he's bad, he's stayings to replace him,
but the old light way, he's under the weather, like okay,
he's out of the weather. He's playing and for the
third straight game he's been okay. He doesn't look as
(24:46):
explosive running, although he's always been kind of a smart runner.
Not keep in mind they have a new offensive coordinator
and he's had more He was super efficient with throwing
the football, and that has him in the case for
a league. Now. The great thing is, as I point out,
they're probably gonna be I think it is like eight
and one, you know, going into the bye week, because
they're that good and he's gonna play better. But the
(25:08):
answer isn't he What is Jalen Hurts is who he
was two years ago? But the answer is also not
he is who he was last year. I think this
is somewhere settling in between, which is classic regressing towards
the me, the mean right, not the mode is the mode,
the very simple and very middle. I love this feels
(25:30):
like a question for you.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Oh ask Ilo, the nerdy question, Yes, when I just
want to be a sex symbol. By the way, did
you notice that incredibly awkward silence there the one second
or so after you responded.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I did, and it would have been a longer silence
since not for the fact that you you instead of
letting it breathe. You choked it, I choked it.
Speaker 8 (25:57):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
So the mode my first guest was when you have
apple pie with vanilla ice cream on it. But yeah, okay,
So technically it's the number in a group of numbers
that appears the most often.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
So the mean is the average.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
The median is like the number that well, I don't
really know.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
The media is right in the middle.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The mode is the number that that appears the.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Most most often.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, huh. This is actually a really interesting discussion. A right, Jaydew,
So you understand what mean mode?
Speaker 11 (26:33):
And so I mean regressing towards the mean is regressing
towards the average party, really, and regressing towards the median
would be the very middle.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah. So if if he here's the thing. If he
was a I know, two years ago one through ten,
he was a six at quarterback. Last year he was
a ten at quarterback. If you're regressing to the mean,
he's an eight head quarterback, right, the average between the two,
(27:07):
if you're regressing towards the mode, again, that also would
be eight. But if it was regressing towards them, what
was the other one? No, the is the no, the
mode is the number most so yeah, so some games
he's so far this year, he's probably been a five
or a six for all three games. That would be
the mode, whereas the median is eight, which is the
(27:28):
same as the mean. Right, Yes, yes, am I making
sense just too?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, but I feel like I need.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
A whiteboard and some sort of rafting.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
I really got.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
We need to draw attention to one of our listeners, Ralph.
Speaker 8 (27:47):
There's actually two listeners another one too.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
We only have two, so you want to do on.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
This subject, deg not in general.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Ralph's goods uh brings this up because we just talked
about the sad aspect that John couldn't watch his home
team because he doesn't have cable or streaming or dirrec TV.
The Rams and Bengals game was aired on Channel thirteen KCP.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
What in la Yes, they did a bad promotion.
Speaker 9 (28:13):
And it makes even less sense. But yeah, thanks TV
stations for promoting it so well.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
I didn't see it. If they did, I had no
knowledge that they had moved into.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
You could have caught the game. And Lauren Sanchez, so.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I was yesterday as you I think you guys, yesterday
was YNGK you poor right, So it was the day
of Atonement. I did work and I did play golf,
but I hadn't eaten all day, and so I'm I'm
actually in Oklahoma. For people don't know, I'm in Oklahoma,
and I'm telling you. And I went to Oklahoma State's
first basketball practice. And when that I got out and
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the sun was down and there was food, I was like,
I'm so hungry, so hungry, And I got to where
like I had been planning out my day, like, man,
I want to watch both these games, and I was
going to watch him in there locker room because they
have these two gigantic big screens and surround sound. I
was gonna watch them both at once. And I actually
kind of lost my mind eating like I was so
I was in a food coma and it wasn't like
(29:11):
I was eating Thanksgiving dinner, but I literally lost my mind,
like I needed like fifteen minutes and this gather miss
like what should I be doing right now? There's something
I'm supposed to be like, oh, yeah, I watched the game.
So I actually missed a good porch of the games,
going to get somebod to eat and then eating and
then like taking fifteen minutes to just be in a
food coma and pat my belly because I had an
emailed that that was a real thing. But then I
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watched and I was just like, yeah, I just I've
seen some of these flaws with Jalen Hurts, and he's
much better than anyone could have thought. But this is
one of those deals where we do get caught up
a little bit in the story and not actually the substance.
The story was, here's a guy who no one expected
to be draft in the second round, projected as a
(29:54):
third or fourth rounder. It goes in the second round,
ends up winning the job, hopefully so. And the first
year he's EH game manager, and then last year he explodes,
and I was like, yeah, it's just no way you
go from who he was always until and and you know, like, look,
Gino Smith wasn't as good last year as Jalen Hurts
(30:17):
was last year, and we have more doubta to tell
you that Gino Smith is more of what he's been
this year, even though he's at his best. But you
don't just go from being an average guy to being
a superstar like in one year. That's not generally, that's
not usually sustainable. So that's what I think is going
on there.
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Cup as well. But before we get to the NFL,
I want to ask you about Oregon, Colorado and just
the smashing last week, but some people's reaction to Dan
Lanning and how he prepared his team. I don't know
if you've seen the five minute like video thing by
by the Organ's like digital team, but his whole you know,
(31:31):
you'd say, with your pads and your helmet. I mean, like, look,
I think there's there's a reason Travis Hunter and now
Shiloh Sanders both go to the hospital they get hit.
I think they're creating an energy that maybe they're not ready.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
For Yeah, I've seen it all. I thought the reaction,
which you know a large percentage of it is former
NFL players to Dan Lanning that aren't you know Oregon
Ducks was embarrassing. I mean, it's a joke, but he
can say whatever he wants. One the clip that Oregon
put out and listen, I'm all for Like, it's college.
(32:06):
This is not the pros. There's a reason most pro
coaches talk somewhat the same because there's no recruiting involved.
It's just the NeXT's nose matchup every Sunday. Right in college,
recruiting is a huge part of your job. Being on
the natural marketer. He can do whatever he wants, but
he always can back it up right as a player.
(32:26):
The clip of those players talking to the Oregon Ducks, who,
let's sake, this beside Travis Hunter who has a split
liver or whatever, and probably Shadoor and a couple other guys.
Oregon wouldn't recruit any of those guys, right, So those
guys acting like they're Deon Sanders through Oregon. I actually
thought it was pretty impressive by Dan Lanning to have
(32:47):
his voice because I would say, historically, you're a little
older than me. Like back in the heyday of some
of the big time matchups, both teams would yap, especially
when there was a lot of like you know, burning
just hype behind the game. Oregon didn't. They acted superior
and then they played superior. So to me, the look
is the players from Colorado like started to believe they're
(33:10):
Dion and clearly they're not.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, Shiloh his son, you're not your dad. Dude, you're
not You're not your dad. That's it. I mean again,
Dion talked to talk and walk to walk. Shiloh did not.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
And when you say most of the cocky teams, at
least in my lifetime, some of the urban squads, I'd
say Alabama's cocky. But Nick doesn't really allow them to talk.
You know. Obviously the the U forever Ohio States that
had some team can back it up.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah Florida State, Yeah yeah, now but but but remember
the U end up at the end of the first
run of the U and maybe even the second of
the U. And it wasn't just that they were cheating,
it was that all of that stuff went way overboard, right,
it all it gets to the limit and then goes overboard.
Remember they they were I don't know they were in
the Cotton Bowl or something. They were all wearing military fatigues.
(33:57):
Like it just reaches the point you're like, oh, like,
no matter how much you liked him, it went overboard.
It felt like without a lot with three games success
surprising a lot of people, it started to go overboard
before Saturday.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
I don't like some people do get triggered by anything,
Dion says, because I do believe. And you and I
talked about like he's an old school football guy. Yes,
like they tackle in practice. A lot of things he
teaches the guys, remember his introductory no hat like he's
his social media presence and the way he is I
think one on one with guys and probably a practice
a lot different. But him saying after the game, you
(34:35):
better get us now we're coming you know a little.
You know Dan Hurley, Well, Dan Hurley is like he
had a squad. See you are a long way away
now you can think like he's not playing Oregon anymore, right,
They're going their separate ways. And same thing with USC
and Texas and Oklahoma aren't going to be there. But
you are a long long way away. I don't care
how good you can recruit from clearly the top what
(34:57):
would you say, ten to fifteen programs. I mean, the
TCU game was an impressive win, but it turns out
like TCU is not what they were and the Oregon
team obviously USC I mean I watched because this game
was such a blowout, I ended up watching a lot
of the Utah UCLA games. Utah's defense is elite. I mean,
(35:18):
Colorado's going to be in for a long day. I
mean they have NFL guys and they always do, so
it's just going to be very, very difficult. Like the teams,
it's pretty obvious the PAC twelve is i would say
the top, the deepest at the top in the country,
and a lot of those teams have NFL guys on
defense everywhere where. Historically, it's kind of been an offensive conference,
(35:39):
especially the last whatever decade and a half. It's pretty defense.
Washington play d USC camp, but their offense solely in
Utah is just basically like, you know, an SEC defense
right now.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
John Minokopp's our guest here on the Doug Outleage Show
on Fox Sports Radio. If you were advising Burrow, would
you have advised him to play last night.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Well, I think the hard part about the NFL, you know,
and it's obviously a hot topic in basketball, right, but
you have so many games, like whatever, I missed fifteen
to twenty games, it doesn't matter in football. What was
Ray Lewis's famous you know comment, like they pay me
Monday through Saturday Sundays for free. The whole point of football,
what makes it all fun is playing the game because
(36:20):
most of it, the rehab, the meetings, you actually don't
practice that much relative to how much time you spend
getting ready for opponents. But that's it's kind of can
be redundant, not as fun. It's all about the games,
and I have a lot of respect. You know. The
game I grew up on was just very old school guys. Now,
(36:41):
there is a line right where you want to be
able to walk, but a calf injury as long as
like he's not you know sometimes right Derek Rose, it
was constantly like hurting other party parts because he was
over compensating. As long as it's not something like that,
and he's not more likely like tar An a Field
and the other leg or terror and Achilles than like
that's just that's kind of football, isn't it Now, there
(37:03):
is a balance when you factor in how much guys
make and how much you just invested in them. Is
it risky? But also what's he gonna need to get
fully right a month off? So I think it's kind
of a tough spot that I respect the hell out
of him from playing.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
What do you think of how Jalen Hurts is playing?
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Definitely doesn't look like his MVP level self last year,
I would say clearly. You know, last night he's sick
or whatever in his raining, his running, which really was
awesome early in his career, doesn't you know, he's not
really doing it and passing it's just not even arguable.
It's just off. He had some big plays last night,
(37:44):
but what he was last year we haven't seen yet.
Now they're a little lucky that this team is so
stacked that he actually they don't need the MVP Jalen
Hurst probably to compete to win the Super Bowl. If
he just can play a little little bit better than
he's playing, they're clearly going to beat him right there
with the forty nine ers. So you know, if he
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doesn't have to play like he did in Kansas City,
because I think their defense man they're so good the
line of scrimmage and now DeAndre Swift running like this.
It's clearly not twenty twenty two versions at the end
of September. But I wonder if their team might be
slightly more talented, especially with this infusion of youth, I
mean Kalen Carter. They lose Javon Hargrave, who's been awesome
(38:29):
for the forty nine ers, and they replace them with
like a bigger, faster, younger guy. So now part of
when you draft risk quote unquote risky guys, teams that
pass in the guy like him right. They know when
he plays, if he's got his mind right and healthy,
he's gonna look sweet. They basically pass because they don't
think it's too much of a risk for the long haul.
(38:49):
So can he go the whole season without something happened?
Can he go several years? How something happened? Time will tell.
But for three games he looks like a pretty elite player,
doesn't he?
Speaker 1 (38:59):
He does? He does. Okay. I know it's easy to
make it about Miami because the play calling, the explosiveness
to everything is unbelievable, But I don't You don't give
up three hundred yards rushing unless dudes, quit, What is
going on in Denver?
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think obviously now in this modern
day is probably the word quit and taps out gets
thrown around a little too much. But I would rather
lose like fifty to three, like that's seventy, like that
is Listen. I was obviously not born in nineteen sixty
six when that record was set, but I don't think
that record has anything in common with what just seventy
(39:40):
and twenty twenty three is dramatically worse than anything that
happened on that field in the mid sixties. It just is,
especially when you factor in that you have a high
price coach and last year your defense with a lot
of guys returning what's pretty solid. It's one thing to
get beat. You know, you can play well and get beat.
Like the Panthers. I think they triedgainst Seattle stowns is
(40:01):
better and they lose by ten points and they give
up thirty seven or whatever, seventy points and clearly, Mike,
they were running the ball. They weren't even trying. But
I think it's a huge reflection of one Sean Payton
wanted Vick Fango to be a defensive coordinator. He had
talked openly about it. But the problem is when he
went to Denver, Vick had just recently been fired. He
(40:22):
wasn't going to go back there, so he ended up
going with another guy Denver fired years ago, Vance Joseph.
And Vance Joseph is just not very good at his job,
especially compared to a VIC Fanjoe. Look at the two
coordinators in that game. I know Miami were judging them
on offense, but think of this offseason McDaniel needed a
new defensive coordinator. Who'd you go out and get one
of the best in the league what Sean Payton do.
(40:43):
And they're both offensive coordinators. So it's not only you're
spending an inordinate amount of extra time with the offense.
You were very dependent on the defense. And we've seen
it with Sean Payton when he had good defensive coordinators
in the time with the New Orleans Saints. They were
good when he didn't remember they were scoring points when
they were going seven to nine. I remember that little
stretch there in the mid twenty ten. Wasn't like their offense.
DOC couldn't stop the soul. So Sean Payton has a
(41:06):
serious defensive problem on top of just listen. Russell was
not the reason they lost on Sunday, But from a
macro perspective, his contract and he's not an all star
level player, is a problem.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Do you think the Vikings trade Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
I just don't know where they would trade him, Like,
where does he go? Right? I mean the Niners don't
need him. We know Kyle loves him a lot of
the McVeigh guy.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
You don't think the Niners need him? No, can they win?
Can they win a Super Bowl? As they stand at quarterback?
Speaker 5 (41:36):
I don't think. I think Kyle Shanahan's used Brock thirty
as his new Kirk Cousins, And when you factor in
the money, he ain't. Bnking brought thirty to trade of
draft picks. They would give him away, so I would
be suns. I guess you could never say never. I
also think he kind of likes Sam Darneld too, so
(41:57):
I think yeah, I think there's they'd be more likely
if some team was out of it and there was Again,
I'm not saying this guy would be traded like if
Christian Wurfs was available, or you know, some Aaron Donald
level guys. Because they have a bunch of cap room,
they would do something like that before they traded for
Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins is fine, but I don't think
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I would take Brock forty over him right now, especially
with a factor in the money. So that's not an
option the Jets. You know what the Jets problem is
is the forty nine ers last year mentally had checked
out from Trey Lance, like they just the training camp
was rough. They it was not going well before he
got injured. So what did they do this offseason? They
brought in reinforcements and they already knew that more than
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likely he wasn't going to beat out Sam Donold, and
they just moved on from the problem. The Jets were
so emostly tied still to Zach Wilson and the thing
at quarterback, like if I draft a defensive lineman and
I missed, he could rotate in. So I point, you
can quarterbacks still.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Play him quarterback? Did you need a play or not play?
Speaker 6 (42:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
And he played every stap.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah. And the line is bad, so it's not you
canna run the football and hide him. You can't hide
and the line's bad.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Yeah, it's a disaster. So but that the money and
Rogers kind of the elf in the room. He's coming back.
So are they? They have to give up the second
round pick for Rogers, So would they trade the third
and fourth round picks? I don't know. I don't know
if I don't see a spot where you get a
lot of young quarterbacks around the league. Maybe Atlanta, but
who knows. Like Atlanta lose this weekend, all of a
(43:28):
sudden you look up there like one and.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Three, last thing, Chargers go for it on fourth in
less than the yard at their own twenty four.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
People I've talked to the Chargers were all on board
with it, all of them even afterwards. Is this a
universally thought decision, agreed with decision in football?
Speaker 5 (43:49):
Now? What I mean? You and I probably I feel
like hearing all these people talk about this. Brandon Saley
has been doing this from day one. The least surprising
thing watching that game with him going for it in
that spot he always does. He has pretty consistently remember
back to the Raider game Sunday Night Football. To get
in the playoffs, he will go for it in that
(44:09):
spot because he knows people above him are cool of it.
My issue with him is why is the defense so terrible.
Why are guys wide open constantly? Why are there huge,
you know, ways for running backs to just walk eight yards?
Of course you're going to go for it. And people,
that was the reason I've been out on Brandon Staley
from year one. It's that, Now that's an organizational philosophy.
(44:30):
That's crazy. I mean, but that is their philosophy. And
I were you shocked when he did it? Because I
was not.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I I was surprised. And then I texted a couple
people on when they're on the plane on the way home.
They're like all of them were like, seventy five percent conversion, Right,
we're good with it. I was like, what about the
play call sucked?
Speaker 5 (44:47):
You know, like what about your lack of run game?
What about your sister?
Speaker 1 (44:49):
I mean, right, you had thirty one yards rusher and
you're gonna you'rena basically run a fullback dive like or
we give to Justin Herbert, who's got parum, who's got
you know, all these other weapons. Okay, what how much
does losey Mike Williams hurt him?
Speaker 5 (45:02):
I mean, that's crushing, but he's been banged up throughout
Herbert's career. I think the problem is Herbert's just been
wiped out. I mean for them not to be like
a power right now has to feel pretty disappointing, right,
I mean, this kid gets better every year. What else
you want the guy to do? I just I think
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that there are a lot of teams. I mean, you
look like the forty nine Ers, like they got Brock
thirty and they're kicking everyone's button. We look, we got
Justin Herbert, who's probably the most talented quarterback tentically we've
ever had in our franchise, and it's gonna be tough
for us to get to eight wins. I think it's
a macro, big picture issue with the Chargers when you
have the star young quarterback who is everything you want
(45:46):
from a character standpoint, walktic standpoint, and from a production standpoint.
So what are you gonna do is just go this season,
probably go seven, eight wins, nine, missed the playoffs, then
fire him and it's just what a wasted year. It
feels like it inevitable.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I I don't know. I still they had the Bears
in the schedule. I think the division has you know
has at least division has at least four wins on it.
I think they make the playoffs, but yeah, not not.
They can't stop somebody their.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
Their margin for error is pretty swim right, I mean
they can't it is.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
John Mitcoff, NFL analysts, host the three Now podcasts. Johnny,
thanks so much
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I don't want to say check please. Well, you start
to understand all of the factors that play with Colorado football,
(01:11):
and I'm sure that many of you are sitting there
going hold on, DG. We had two Monday night football
games last night. Why can't you react to those like
they were not great games and Eagles were far better
than Tampa. Jalen Hurts wasn't feeling good, didn't play well,
didn't matter. Team's just way better and you know, Joe
(01:33):
Burrow on one leg. They found a way to get
it done. My biggest takeaway is I I struggle with
anybody who doesn't love those Bengals uniforms. You know, you
know there's people like, hey, we're not going to be friends.
Like if you on Thanksgiving, don't turn on the TV
to have football on as at least ambient sound. We're
(01:56):
never going to be friends even in a sports a
landscape if you don't like those how can you not
like those Bengals uniforms? But like, that's kind of all
I got from that game. You know, Matt Stafford does
a bad pick. You know, there's Jalen Hurst doesn't look
the same as last year. We could we could pick
(02:19):
and choose some things, but Tuesday's usually held back for
college football, and some interesting stuff happened yesterday. First, there
was a video that all of these schools have their
own we'll call them digital teams. We have our own
digital team at at Fox Sports Radio. All of these
(02:42):
schools have their own digital team, and the bigger the school,
the better the video production. And there's a video that
Colorado put out. It's like a five minute video and
it encapsulates the game and it's really well done and
it's really telling. And I can't tell you unequivocally if
Colorado's players, you know, if they if they excume me,
(03:08):
if Oregon's players didn't talk any trash. But it was
clearly outlined by Dan Lanning the night before the game
that we're not going to say anything. We're going to
say it with our helmets and our pats. And there's
a well looks like a strength coach saying, don't give
it any energy. And there's video of Shiloh Sanders, whose
(03:28):
of course Dean's Sun, his talented cornerback. He actually had
seven tackles on the day, talking all kinds of junk,
all kinds of junk. Should be noted. There was a
story out yesterday that Shiloh Sanders checked himself into the
hospital upon arrival back into Boulder because he had some
internal blee had some bleeding in his urine. I guess
(03:50):
he got hitting the kidney. But when you look at
when you watch it, you sit there and go and
and Dan Lanning had a great answer to a question
yesterday about Skip Bayless and this Keyshawn Johnson story that
other coaches said had had reached out to Oregon to
(04:11):
give them help, and that Dan Lanning was, you know,
trying to make a point with you know, trying to
run it up on Colorado and underlying tones by the
way of racism. And then when you see the video,
it's pretty telling. Like again, I've said a lot like
(04:35):
Dan Lanning, I think what Dion in terms of the
energy he's bringing. That was the number one rated college
football game. It got over ten million viewers and it
was not competitive at all. But people are into this
Dion thing. And I'd say you're getting to the point
where there is a portion to people that are, like
you know, I said last week, kind of ready for
(04:56):
them to lose, kind of ready for them to get
a little come up in and they did because there's
nothing wrong with confidence. There's nothing wrong with a little
bit of swagger. And it's a lot like you know,
the old Supreme Court definition of pornography. I know it.
You'll know when you see it, you know, arrogance and hunting.
When you saw it. I saw it with the flashing
(05:18):
of the watches. We can say, well, you know, DJ
Collin's doing it again. That's your guide. And I understand.
This is how Dion played, This is how he lives
his life. He's been incredibly successful. But then you get this.
This is Dion Sanders who said he was ask during
a Zoom conference call yesterday why he thinks people keep
(05:41):
making it personal and about him. His response is, you
know why that is? Just say it. Don't try to
get me and provoke me to say it. Just say it, man.
I mean, some of y'all gotta have some balls sooner
or later and or say what it is. You can't
provoke me to say say it. I'm not built like that.
(06:04):
And I think what Dion believes is what he said
earlier in his This is like two weeks ago in
his press conference about his distractors.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't take my time to respond and to defend myself.
Why would I do that. I'm giving you a microphone.
If I'm doing that, I'm giving you solids that you're
in my life. I don't care. I really don't. So
if it's been that way all my life, you would
think that I'm used to it. I'm not new to this.
I'm true to this and I keep going. So I'm
(06:34):
good with that. Man, I'm good with that. This is
a comfortable place for me.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So what do you teach your guys in the locker room?
Who are It's about us. It's not about them. It's
about us. Everywhere we go, even in your durned families.
You're gonna have detractors, you gonna have naziers. You have
doubtless even in your durned family. And you guys are all
shaking my head and checking your heads like, yeah, yeah,
my aunt she ain't no good. I know my sister thinking, yeah,
she's eating right now.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You don't tell the truth that it's gonna be like that.
God would always allow somebody to be in your path
that have a disdain or dislike for you. Is up
to you to keep going. I don't stop. I keep going.
I don't have to stop in me, not whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Man. So, I mean, I guess the infer why does
There's only one possible answer. I guess I don't know
what he's inferring, And the inference has to be that
do people. First of all, I don't know if anybody
(07:33):
who dislikes Deon Sanders. I think what you get, what
you get frustrated by, is that Dion, who's always been flashy,
always been confident, and sometimes been arrogant. You know that
he's sending young men out to battle to play football
with that same level of confidence, borderline arrogance, sometimes crossing
(07:57):
over to arrogance with one not the sub since then
two they step over the line like look, Shylo Sanders
is talking about I'm gonna kick all your asses and
your coaches too, Like what that is not about us
in our locker room and making it about us? That's
straight up trash talk. Dude got put in the hospital,
(08:17):
they got run out of the building. I don't even
know how to have a conversation with anyone who thinks
it's about anything other than like, look, dude, you run
your mouth like that and then you get beat. The
only thing you can do is walk off the field,
shake hands and say we got our butts cooked, we're
not that good, which is what Dion did. But it's
(08:38):
what his players are doing that's irritating people. And it's
what I think about biproduct. The fans have done, and
you get defensive and Dion is not defensive, although I
do think you know, you go back a couple weeks
ago and he said it was about, you know, people
uncomfortable with a confident black man. Like no, I don't,
(09:02):
not in sports, not in college football. All these all
these coaches are confident, arrogant, sort of crazy. But what
we're not used to is players that haven't accomplished much
of anything except for winning a couple of games, walking
around picking out opponents, talking about them, and then when
(09:27):
they get beat, when they well, you know, we're not
any good anyway. I mean, I just if I'm Colorado,
I'm mortified by that video. Mortified and the snippets we
saw of Dan Lanning talking about the Cinderella story is over.
(09:47):
We're about wins, not about clicks, right, you watch for
more of the substance that we're talking about. And I
also think that part of what Dan said in a
more elongated speech we didn't see the whole the whole
thing was this is the new organ. I even think
he says, like, look, there was a time which organ
(10:08):
got a little too flashy, got a little too much
about the schmaltz, a little bit too much about the bling,
a little bit too much about you know, uniforms, instead
of hey, being about substance. They were better prepared, they
were more focused, they were more physical. They out executed them.
(10:29):
They completely wiped the field to Colorado, and Deand's response
after the game, for the most part, was perfect right
and he's he's right, and he says why are they people?
When people ask why are you personalizing it, it's because
his answers become personalized. He was the one after the
game who said, hey, if you're gonna get me, get
(10:50):
me now, because it's the worst I'll ever be. Like,
there's all a bunch of eyes in that answer. So
all of the questions are gonna be or criticism is
going to be I related. If you make the program
about one person, the head coach, well then that's what
all of the energy is going to be directed towards.
Then don't go, well, you're just making it about me,
(11:11):
because no, you're making about you. It's literally called coach Prime. You.
All of their gear is about Prime. It's not about
the players. It's really not even the Travis Hunter thing
that happened yesterday where in front of the team he
reads a text from Travis Hunters's coach. I don't care
(11:34):
about health. I want to play and deon Sayers and
I do think again, this is you cut him open
as heart as is huge. He's like, no, man, I
can't let you play. You got a lot of you
got great things to accomplish. It ain't about one football game.
But it's the I did this. I said you can't play.
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I'm the one who knows it's about more than in football.
You can't go. I I make the program about one person,
and then say, why is the criticism? Why is everything
the energy directed towards me? You made it about you.
That's who the direction is, Jase. Do am I missing
anything there?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
No, no, I really act your point And I kind
of wanted to piggyback on that. John. Could we play
at least a very beginning of the sound you just
play prime.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I don't take my time to respond and to defend myself.
Why would I do that. I'm giving you a microphone.
If I'm doing it, I'm giving you solids that you're
in my life. I don't care. I really don't. So
it's if it's been that way all my life, you
would think that I'm used to it. I'm not new
to this. I'm true to this and I keep going.
So I'm good with that.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Man, this is a.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Comfortable place for me.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
So what do you teach your guys in the locker room?
It's not about them, about.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Us, Doug. The question was about what are you teaching
your players? In other words, to your point, those players
before the game that were caught on video doing that
stuff I thought was just completely disgraceful. I really did.
And if you could, if you could say that they
were playing mind games, that's one thing. I just thought
(13:21):
they were being disrespectful. They're not being coached, and what
you know what, what's the old adage? I don't know. If
you're not if you're not coaching it, you're allowing it
or whatever. I think that the reporter tried to ask
that question and the dion just went on to some
thing about about himself. That's the contradiction, I think, Doug.
As I'm listening to you talk about this, it's everyone
(13:43):
keeps playing the woe is Me card? Why is everyone
picking on Colorado? Well, you're allowing your players to act
this way, And frankly, I think Doug, he's putting his
players in harm's way. You talk about the Travis Hunter,
I think he has like a lacerated liver. You talk
about it, his son having like kidney problems.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
His other probably a lacerated kidney.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
His other son was driven into the turf last week
so bad that the kid was kicked out of the game.
Like he's almost putting his players in harms way by
not coaching that kind of disrespectful talk that we saw
to Oregon. They're gonna start playing some really good teams here, Dug.
And these teams aren't just out to beat them. They
seem to be out to make them look bad too.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, and and Kylauta State, it's not okay that you
hit a guy after the whistle. It's not okay. But
what I think you're getting at is like, no matter
how well coached or how well like, Colados State kind
of lost their minds a little bit. They should have
won that game. There was a holding call even the
first half on their center. They would have been up
(14:49):
twenty eight fourteen, But they kind of lost their minds
a little bit. But part of it is like you're
you're turbo charging guys that there. It's it's like it's
like you put nitrous inside of a Chevy Nova, right, like,
we think it's just gonna make everything faster and everything better.
(15:10):
But sometimes those engines explode because they're not meant to
be play at that level. They're not meant to drive
at that speed. And everybody has in eu odometer or
something that goes up to like one hundred or something,
but that doesn't mean you drive that fast in that car.
They start shaking and they become incredibly difficult to control.
And that's what's happening here, is that every game is
(15:33):
becoming everyone's biggest game. And it's like football is a
very violent sport. I don't need to tell people, but
if you haven't realized it, you make you make a
really good point. And you're sending guys out there and
they're talking trash and they're becoming faces of Colorado football,
but they're also becoming faces of trash talk. And when
(15:55):
what every football coach I ever played for would tell me, okay,
is the same thing essentially that these guys are like,
play through the whistle to the end of the whistle,
but they want to talk. You do all you're talking
with how hard you hit them? And look at the
results the past two weeks. Yeah, that doesn't mean that
(16:18):
you need to be super fake humble. That doesn't mean
that you need to mumble and say yes or and
somehow appease the masses. There's a big gap there. There's
a gap there between that and the week before Travis.
I mean, like you could not be a more direct
correlation's video of Travis Hunter saying you're weak, you're soft,
(16:43):
You're not you're not tough, you're not big. You know,
nobody's scared of you. And then he gets hit and
put in the hospital, and then the very next week,
Shiloh Sanders saying he's gonna kick everybody's asses. You guys
are really small? Why are they so small? Laughing at
them as they're warming up, dust their feet off on
the O and then guests who ends up also going
(17:03):
to the hospital, Like there's a This is pretty simple stuff.
So again, are we gonna watch this weekend? Of course,
there's gonna be energy towards USC running it up on them.
Of course, are they gonna be some really hard hits?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Does that mean that Colorado has to walk in like
they fear like they fear USC?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Absolutely not. You are you have to have a belief
in self. You have to have a belief in your teammates,
and you have to think, hey, we're better than you.
I don't care what your names. I love that shador
standers start of the year. I'm not scared of names.
Don't be. But you also, and this is a big thing,
you have to respect your opponents. And those last two
(17:48):
teams specifically felt disrespected. And when people feel disrespect, they
can it can happen in all kinds of ways. I mean,
look what happened to Spider in Goodfellas, right y, I
(18:09):
thought you said, I thought you said of you? Okay, Spider,
I thought you said of you you okay? Right. All
it takes is one dude who's crazy looney tunes to
hit you after the whistle or hits you really really
hard in just the right spot, and we see what happened.
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Bettis and Ben Roethlisberger either proving their coaches didn't adjust
or they just making stuff up. Patriots living rent free
in some former Steelers heads. We'll get to that upcoming.
Should point out that we had too at least fairly
(19:14):
competitive Monday night football games. Bengals game, obviously a lot
more competitive, is decided by three points. Rams had a touchdown,
It was six all Ramos. Did you think that the
Bengals got that time out on time when the Rams
scored what would have been a go ahead touchdown and
put them up thirteen to six.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Well, I'm gonna be honest with you right now about that.
And here's the honest point. I was waiting for the
Rams game to start on ABC seven here locally in
Los Angeles, and guess what they were showing me. The
Philadelphia Eagles Tampa Bay Buccaneers game. The Rams game was
on the main ESPN. I don't have ESPN. I could
(19:56):
not watch the game locally in Los Angeles. I have
never seen that before. I've never seen the local team
pushed off and the other game put on the main channel.
Maybe they thought that that game was much more because
it was Philadelphia. I don't know if you have an
answer for this, but I was quite shocked that I
couldn't see.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
The game here locally in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I honestly, I'm gonna be once to you. I don't remember.
Which wasn't that the way it was nationally? Guys? Mean,
did anybody else?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
I so you're saying all of the nations saw the Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
TELCA they made I don't think they made an adjustment
based upon.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Local Okay, well, if that was the case, then I
did not get to see the game because I don't
have ESPN.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
You don't have ESPN, No, you a cord cutter.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
We did that, yes, but I do have ESPN Plus.
But I guess they don't give you ESPN the main
one if you have ESPN Plus.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yea, they do.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
They do, because I tried to watch it and I
kept saying, what is your provider? And I said, my
provider is the money I give you for ESPN Plus.
So I don't know what the deal is there, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
We need a ruling from Isaac Lonkron noted cord cutter extraordinaire.
That's he's actually off the grid. Is social Security number
is zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero Ilo.
Can I get a ruling here on ESPN? Can you
get ESPN on ESPN Plus?
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Ramos is absolutely right, you have to have it through
your TV provider in order to sign up via ESPN Plus,
which I discovered in the same outraged fashion. I think
it was either last year or a couple of years ago.
The bigger question, though I was shocked loocked. I was
(21:44):
shocked at Rams Bengals was not the ABC game because that, nationally,
I think is the better and more prominent matchup.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
But that's just me that that obviously means they're so
just so we're aware of how it actually works. And
though I know you know this and Ramos does this,
I'm talking more to people listening to the show. Okay,
there are there are people who are programming experts at
every network, and I don't know how the calculation is done,
(22:15):
but they have to come up with who plays on
what network at what time in order to get the
greatest ratings. It doesn't mean it always works, but more
often than not. Yeah, they know there's there's a calculus
that goes with it. So they had to have calculated
that did the ABC games start earlier? The ESPN game
start earlier?
Speaker 7 (22:35):
The ABC games started earlier because when their game ended,
the Rams game was still going on.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Right, So that's part of it, right, Ok. You have
you have the Eagles who are East Coast Eastern time zone,
you have Tampa East Coast Eastern time zone. And I
would guess that the Eagles, who are NFC champions, I
would guess that they're a bigger draw. That's that's it's
the it's what you're getting is the reason is people
don't care about the Rams and Bengals as much as
(23:02):
they care about the Eagles. Not really, the Tampay Buckers
and on. Honestly, Baker make will make people watch TV
a little bit, sure, but that there's a there's a
calculation to it, and that must be what the calculation is.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Yeah, So to answer your question, I didn't see the
play you're talking about because I didn't get to see
the game. I just saw it up in the corner
of the Eagles.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Tampa Bay just had that, like right up in the corner.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
They had the score going on, and I had no
idea what was happening. So, yeah, sucked for me, but
I guess not for the rest of the country.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I guess I don't know if it was great for
the rest of the country. It was a better game.
Well you missed in the If you watch the Eagles game,
you know Jalen Hurts was okay through two picks, one touchdown,
not moving as well either. Here you're dealing after the game.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
You know, you get you got three wins down, and
so we're gonna we're gonna get to you to build
off of that. We're gonna continue to build as a team,
hold each other accountable, grow, grow, grow and learn, you know,
that's the name of the game.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So he says all of the right things. He says
all of the right things, and I think he does
all of the right things. But I gotta say that
how does one go from being a I don't know
if he's a long term starting quarterback to franchise quarterback, MVP,
(24:24):
potential face of the league in one year. And so
we could say this is classic regressing towards the mean.
And I'm not saying he's bad, he's stayings to replace him,
but the old light way, he's under the weather, like okay,
he's out of the weather. He's playing and for the
third straight game he's been okay. He doesn't look as
(24:46):
explosive running, although he's always been kind of a smart runner.
Not keep in mind they have a new offensive coordinator
and he's had more He was super efficient with throwing
the football, and that has him in the case for
a league. Now. The great thing is, as I point out,
they're probably gonna be I think it is like eight
and one, you know, going into the bye week, because
they're that good and he's gonna play better. But the
(25:08):
answer isn't he What is Jalen Hurts is who he
was two years ago? But the answer is also not
he is who he was last year. I think this
is somewhere settling in between, which is classic regressing towards
the me, the mean right, not the mode is the mode,
the very simple and very middle. I love this feels
(25:30):
like a question for you.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Oh ask Ilo, the nerdy question, Yes, when I just
want to be a sex symbol. By the way, did
you notice that incredibly awkward silence there the one second
or so after you responded.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I did, and it would have been a longer silence
since not for the fact that you you instead of
letting it breathe. You choked it, I choked it.
Speaker 8 (25:57):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
So the mode my first guest was when you have
apple pie with vanilla ice cream on it. But yeah, okay,
So technically it's the number in a group of numbers
that appears the most often.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
So the mean is the average.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
The median is like the number that well, I don't
really know.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
The media is right in the middle.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The mode is the number that that appears the.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Most most often.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, huh. This is actually a really interesting discussion. A right, Jaydew,
So you understand what mean mode?
Speaker 11 (26:33):
And so I mean regressing towards the mean is regressing
towards the average party, really, and regressing towards the median
would be the very middle.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah. So if if he here's the thing. If he
was a I know, two years ago one through ten,
he was a six at quarterback. Last year he was
a ten at quarterback. If you're regressing to the mean,
he's an eight head quarterback, right, the average between the two,
(27:07):
if you're regressing towards the mode, again, that also would
be eight. But if it was regressing towards them, what
was the other one? No, the is the no, the
mode is the number most so yeah, so some games
he's so far this year, he's probably been a five
or a six for all three games. That would be
the mode, whereas the median is eight, which is the
(27:28):
same as the mean. Right, Yes, yes, am I making
sense just too?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, but I feel like I need.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
A whiteboard and some sort of rafting.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
I really got.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
We need to draw attention to one of our listeners, Ralph.
Speaker 8 (27:47):
There's actually two listeners another one too.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
We only have two, so you want to do on.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
This subject, deg not in general.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Ralph's goods uh brings this up because we just talked
about the sad aspect that John couldn't watch his home
team because he doesn't have cable or streaming or dirrec TV.
The Rams and Bengals game was aired on Channel thirteen KCP.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
What in la Yes, they did a bad promotion.
Speaker 9 (28:13):
And it makes even less sense. But yeah, thanks TV
stations for promoting it so well.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
I didn't see it. If they did, I had no
knowledge that they had moved into.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
You could have caught the game. And Lauren Sanchez, so.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I was yesterday as you I think you guys, yesterday
was YNGK you poor right, So it was the day
of Atonement. I did work and I did play golf,
but I hadn't eaten all day, and so I'm I'm
actually in Oklahoma. For people don't know, I'm in Oklahoma,
and I'm telling you. And I went to Oklahoma State's
first basketball practice. And when that I got out and
(28:48):
the sun was down and there was food, I was like,
I'm so hungry, so hungry, And I got to where
like I had been planning out my day, like, man,
I want to watch both these games, and I was
going to watch him in there locker room because they
have these two gigantic big screens and surround sound. I
was gonna watch them both at once. And I actually
kind of lost my mind eating like I was so
I was in a food coma and it wasn't like
(29:11):
I was eating Thanksgiving dinner, but I literally lost my mind,
like I needed like fifteen minutes and this gather miss
like what should I be doing right now? There's something
I'm supposed to be like, oh, yeah, I watched the game.
So I actually missed a good porch of the games,
going to get somebod to eat and then eating and
then like taking fifteen minutes to just be in a
food coma and pat my belly because I had an
emailed that that was a real thing. But then I
(29:32):
watched and I was just like, yeah, I just I've
seen some of these flaws with Jalen Hurts, and he's
much better than anyone could have thought. But this is
one of those deals where we do get caught up
a little bit in the story and not actually the substance.
The story was, here's a guy who no one expected
to be draft in the second round, projected as a
(29:54):
third or fourth rounder. It goes in the second round,
ends up winning the job, hopefully so. And the first
year he's EH game manager, and then last year he explodes,
and I was like, yeah, it's just no way you
go from who he was always until and and you know, like, look,
Gino Smith wasn't as good last year as Jalen Hurts
(30:17):
was last year, and we have more doubta to tell
you that Gino Smith is more of what he's been
this year, even though he's at his best. But you
don't just go from being an average guy to being
a superstar like in one year. That's not generally, that's
not usually sustainable. So that's what I think is going
on there.
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a big week for both because you got Ryder Ryder
(31:08):
Cup as well. But before we get to the NFL,
I want to ask you about Oregon, Colorado and just
the smashing last week, but some people's reaction to Dan
Lanning and how he prepared his team. I don't know
if you've seen the five minute like video thing by
by the Organ's like digital team, but his whole you know,
(31:31):
you'd say, with your pads and your helmet. I mean, like, look,
I think there's there's a reason Travis Hunter and now
Shiloh Sanders both go to the hospital they get hit.
I think they're creating an energy that maybe they're not ready.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
For Yeah, I've seen it all. I thought the reaction,
which you know a large percentage of it is former
NFL players to Dan Lanning that aren't you know Oregon
Ducks was embarrassing. I mean, it's a joke, but he
can say whatever he wants. One the clip that Oregon
put out and listen, I'm all for Like, it's college.
(32:06):
This is not the pros. There's a reason most pro
coaches talk somewhat the same because there's no recruiting involved.
It's just the NeXT's nose matchup every Sunday. Right in college,
recruiting is a huge part of your job. Being on
the natural marketer. He can do whatever he wants, but
he always can back it up right as a player.
(32:26):
The clip of those players talking to the Oregon Ducks, who,
let's sake, this beside Travis Hunter who has a split
liver or whatever, and probably Shadoor and a couple other guys.
Oregon wouldn't recruit any of those guys, right, So those
guys acting like they're Deon Sanders through Oregon. I actually
thought it was pretty impressive by Dan Lanning to have
(32:47):
his voice because I would say, historically, you're a little
older than me. Like back in the heyday of some
of the big time matchups, both teams would yap, especially
when there was a lot of like you know, burning
just hype behind the game. Oregon didn't. They acted superior
and then they played superior. So to me, the look
is the players from Colorado like started to believe they're
(33:10):
Dion and clearly they're not.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, Shiloh his son, you're not your dad. Dude, you're
not You're not your dad. That's it. I mean again,
Dion talked to talk and walk to walk. Shiloh did not.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
And when you say most of the cocky teams, at
least in my lifetime, some of the urban squads, I'd
say Alabama's cocky. But Nick doesn't really allow them to talk.
You know. Obviously the the U forever Ohio States that
had some team can back it up.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah Florida State, Yeah yeah, now but but but remember
the U end up at the end of the first
run of the U and maybe even the second of
the U. And it wasn't just that they were cheating,
it was that all of that stuff went way overboard, right,
it all it gets to the limit and then goes overboard.
Remember they they were I don't know they were in
the Cotton Bowl or something. They were all wearing military fatigues.
(33:57):
Like it just reaches the point you're like, oh, like,
no matter how much you liked him, it went overboard.
It felt like without a lot with three games success
surprising a lot of people, it started to go overboard
before Saturday.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
I don't like some people do get triggered by anything,
Dion says, because I do believe. And you and I
talked about like he's an old school football guy. Yes,
like they tackle in practice. A lot of things he
teaches the guys, remember his introductory no hat like he's
his social media presence and the way he is I
think one on one with guys and probably a practice
a lot different. But him saying after the game, you
(34:35):
better get us now we're coming you know a little.
You know Dan Hurley, Well, Dan Hurley is like he
had a squad. See you are a long way away
now you can think like he's not playing Oregon anymore, right,
They're going their separate ways. And same thing with USC
and Texas and Oklahoma aren't going to be there. But
you are a long long way away. I don't care
how good you can recruit from clearly the top what
(34:57):
would you say, ten to fifteen programs. I mean, the
TCU game was an impressive win, but it turns out
like TCU is not what they were and the Oregon
team obviously USC I mean I watched because this game
was such a blowout, I ended up watching a lot
of the Utah UCLA games. Utah's defense is elite. I mean,
(35:18):
Colorado's going to be in for a long day. I
mean they have NFL guys and they always do, so
it's just going to be very, very difficult. Like the teams,
it's pretty obvious the PAC twelve is i would say
the top, the deepest at the top in the country,
and a lot of those teams have NFL guys on
defense everywhere where. Historically, it's kind of been an offensive conference,
(35:39):
especially the last whatever decade and a half. It's pretty defense.
Washington play d USC camp, but their offense solely in
Utah is just basically like, you know, an SEC defense
right now.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
John Minokopp's our guest here on the Doug Outleage Show
on Fox Sports Radio. If you were advising Burrow, would
you have advised him to play last night.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Well, I think the hard part about the NFL, you know,
and it's obviously a hot topic in basketball, right, but
you have so many games, like whatever, I missed fifteen
to twenty games, it doesn't matter in football. What was
Ray Lewis's famous you know comment, like they pay me
Monday through Saturday Sundays for free. The whole point of football,
what makes it all fun is playing the game because
(36:20):
most of it, the rehab, the meetings, you actually don't
practice that much relative to how much time you spend
getting ready for opponents. But that's it's kind of can
be redundant, not as fun. It's all about the games,
and I have a lot of respect. You know. The
game I grew up on was just very old school guys. Now,
(36:41):
there is a line right where you want to be
able to walk, but a calf injury as long as
like he's not you know sometimes right Derek Rose, it
was constantly like hurting other party parts because he was
over compensating. As long as it's not something like that,
and he's not more likely like tar An a Field
and the other leg or terror and Achilles than like
that's just that's kind of football, isn't it Now, there
(37:03):
is a balance when you factor in how much guys
make and how much you just invested in them. Is
it risky? But also what's he gonna need to get
fully right a month off? So I think it's kind
of a tough spot that I respect the hell out
of him from playing.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
What do you think of how Jalen Hurts is playing?
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Definitely doesn't look like his MVP level self last year,
I would say clearly. You know, last night he's sick
or whatever in his raining, his running, which really was
awesome early in his career, doesn't you know, he's not
really doing it and passing it's just not even arguable.
It's just off. He had some big plays last night,
(37:44):
but what he was last year we haven't seen yet.
Now they're a little lucky that this team is so
stacked that he actually they don't need the MVP Jalen
Hurst probably to compete to win the Super Bowl. If
he just can play a little little bit better than
he's playing, they're clearly going to beat him right there
with the forty nine ers. So you know, if he
(38:05):
doesn't have to play like he did in Kansas City,
because I think their defense man they're so good the
line of scrimmage and now DeAndre Swift running like this.
It's clearly not twenty twenty two versions at the end
of September. But I wonder if their team might be
slightly more talented, especially with this infusion of youth, I
mean Kalen Carter. They lose Javon Hargrave, who's been awesome
(38:29):
for the forty nine ers, and they replace them with
like a bigger, faster, younger guy. So now part of
when you draft risk quote unquote risky guys, teams that
pass in the guy like him right. They know when
he plays, if he's got his mind right and healthy,
he's gonna look sweet. They basically pass because they don't
think it's too much of a risk for the long haul.
(38:49):
So can he go the whole season without something happened?
Can he go several years? How something happened? Time will tell.
But for three games he looks like a pretty elite player,
doesn't he?
Speaker 1 (38:59):
He does? He does. Okay. I know it's easy to
make it about Miami because the play calling, the explosiveness
to everything is unbelievable, But I don't You don't give
up three hundred yards rushing unless dudes, quit, What is
going on in Denver?
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think obviously now in this modern
day is probably the word quit and taps out gets
thrown around a little too much. But I would rather
lose like fifty to three, like that's seventy, like that
is Listen. I was obviously not born in nineteen sixty
six when that record was set, but I don't think
that record has anything in common with what just seventy
(39:40):
and twenty twenty three is dramatically worse than anything that
happened on that field in the mid sixties. It just is,
especially when you factor in that you have a high
price coach and last year your defense with a lot
of guys returning what's pretty solid. It's one thing to
get beat. You know, you can play well and get beat.
Like the Panthers. I think they triedgainst Seattle stowns is
(40:01):
better and they lose by ten points and they give
up thirty seven or whatever, seventy points and clearly, Mike,
they were running the ball. They weren't even trying. But
I think it's a huge reflection of one Sean Payton
wanted Vick Fango to be a defensive coordinator. He had
talked openly about it. But the problem is when he
went to Denver, Vick had just recently been fired. He
(40:22):
wasn't going to go back there, so he ended up
going with another guy Denver fired years ago, Vance Joseph.
And Vance Joseph is just not very good at his job,
especially compared to a VIC Fanjoe. Look at the two
coordinators in that game. I know Miami were judging them
on offense, but think of this offseason McDaniel needed a
new defensive coordinator. Who'd you go out and get one
of the best in the league what Sean Payton do.
(40:43):
And they're both offensive coordinators. So it's not only you're
spending an inordinate amount of extra time with the offense.
You were very dependent on the defense. And we've seen
it with Sean Payton when he had good defensive coordinators
in the time with the New Orleans Saints. They were
good when he didn't remember they were scoring points when
they were going seven to nine. I remember that little
stretch there in the mid twenty ten. Wasn't like their offense.
DOC couldn't stop the soul. So Sean Payton has a
(41:06):
serious defensive problem on top of just listen. Russell was
not the reason they lost on Sunday, But from a
macro perspective, his contract and he's not an all star
level player, is a problem.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Do you think the Vikings trade Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
I just don't know where they would trade him, Like,
where does he go? Right? I mean the Niners don't
need him. We know Kyle loves him a lot of
the McVeigh guy.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
You don't think the Niners need him? No, can they win?
Can they win a Super Bowl? As they stand at quarterback?
Speaker 5 (41:36):
I don't think. I think Kyle Shanahan's used Brock thirty
as his new Kirk Cousins, And when you factor in
the money, he ain't. Bnking brought thirty to trade of
draft picks. They would give him away, so I would
be suns. I guess you could never say never. I
also think he kind of likes Sam Darneld too, so
(41:57):
I think yeah, I think there's they'd be more likely
if some team was out of it and there was Again,
I'm not saying this guy would be traded like if
Christian Wurfs was available, or you know, some Aaron Donald
level guys. Because they have a bunch of cap room,
they would do something like that before they traded for
Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins is fine, but I don't think
(42:18):
I would take Brock forty over him right now, especially
with a factor in the money. So that's not an
option the Jets. You know what the Jets problem is
is the forty nine ers last year mentally had checked
out from Trey Lance, like they just the training camp
was rough. They it was not going well before he
got injured. So what did they do this offseason? They
brought in reinforcements and they already knew that more than
(42:39):
likely he wasn't going to beat out Sam Donold, and
they just moved on from the problem. The Jets were
so emostly tied still to Zach Wilson and the thing
at quarterback, like if I draft a defensive lineman and
I missed, he could rotate in. So I point, you
can quarterbacks still.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Play him quarterback? Did you need a play or not play?
Speaker 6 (42:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
And he played every stap.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah. And the line is bad, so it's not you
canna run the football and hide him. You can't hide
and the line's bad.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Yeah, it's a disaster. So but that the money and
Rogers kind of the elf in the room. He's coming back.
So are they? They have to give up the second
round pick for Rogers, So would they trade the third
and fourth round picks? I don't know. I don't know
if I don't see a spot where you get a
lot of young quarterbacks around the league. Maybe Atlanta, but
who knows. Like Atlanta lose this weekend, all of a
(43:28):
sudden you look up there like one and.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Three, last thing, Chargers go for it on fourth in
less than the yard at their own twenty four.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
People I've talked to the Chargers were all on board
with it, all of them even afterwards. Is this a
universally thought decision, agreed with decision in football?
Speaker 5 (43:49):
Now? What I mean? You and I probably I feel
like hearing all these people talk about this. Brandon Saley
has been doing this from day one. The least surprising
thing watching that game with him going for it in
that spot he always does. He has pretty consistently remember
back to the Raider game Sunday Night Football. To get
in the playoffs, he will go for it in that
(44:09):
spot because he knows people above him are cool of it.
My issue with him is why is the defense so terrible.
Why are guys wide open constantly? Why are there huge,
you know, ways for running backs to just walk eight yards?
Of course you're going to go for it. And people,
that was the reason I've been out on Brandon Staley
from year one. It's that, Now that's an organizational philosophy.
(44:30):
That's crazy. I mean, but that is their philosophy. And
I were you shocked when he did it? Because I
was not.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I I was surprised. And then I texted a couple
people on when they're on the plane on the way home.
They're like all of them were like, seventy five percent conversion, Right,
we're good with it. I was like, what about the
play call sucked?
Speaker 5 (44:47):
You know, like what about your lack of run game?
What about your sister?
Speaker 1 (44:49):
I mean, right, you had thirty one yards rusher and
you're gonna you'rena basically run a fullback dive like or
we give to Justin Herbert, who's got parum, who's got
you know, all these other weapons. Okay, what how much
does losey Mike Williams hurt him?
Speaker 5 (45:02):
I mean, that's crushing, but he's been banged up throughout
Herbert's career. I think the problem is Herbert's just been
wiped out. I mean for them not to be like
a power right now has to feel pretty disappointing, right,
I mean, this kid gets better every year. What else
you want the guy to do? I just I think
(45:24):
that there are a lot of teams. I mean, you
look like the forty nine Ers, like they got Brock
thirty and they're kicking everyone's button. We look, we got
Justin Herbert, who's probably the most talented quarterback tentically we've
ever had in our franchise, and it's gonna be tough
for us to get to eight wins. I think it's
a macro, big picture issue with the Chargers when you
have the star young quarterback who is everything you want
(45:46):
from a character standpoint, walktic standpoint, and from a production standpoint.
So what are you gonna do is just go this season,
probably go seven, eight wins, nine, missed the playoffs, then
fire him and it's just what a wasted year. It
feels like it inevitable.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I I don't know. I still they had the Bears
in the schedule. I think the division has you know
has at least division has at least four wins on it.
I think they make the playoffs, but yeah, not not.
They can't stop somebody their.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
Their margin for error is pretty swim right, I mean
they can't it is.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
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