April 1, 2024 • 50 mins
On a Monday edition of The Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the 3-pt line controversy at the women's tournament site in Portland, and explains why it is not a sexist thing. Doug also gets into comments made by Hailey Van Lith.
Doug and the crew share what they loved the most and hated the most from the sports weekend.
Doug welcomes college hoops analyst Jeff Goodman onto the show to talk about the Elite Eight action in the men's tourney this past weekend.
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I would utter huge Elite eight women's game tonight that
we care about, and I don't think, I don't know
we care about, like we're gonna watch. I mean, Sam cares,
Sam's and Iowa guy Sam caris about it. But the
rest of us will watch watch. I know I'm supposed
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to recap the Elite eight, and I will because there's
a lot of interesting stuff to it. Right Yukon and
the dominant performance of cling Kong. By the way, I
do have a little I got a little riff for
you on Cling Kong, and I think this is really interesting.
It does tie together with Hailey van lith and what
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she said about racism in an LA Times article. Okay,
we'll get that sound for you, but let me also again,
I can't believe that we're on the day after the
Elite Eight, getting ready for a Final four, and I
have to start with women's basketball because this story is
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the most bizarre I've ever heard of in sports, ever
heard of in sports. And we'll get to women playing
the victim and how off putting it can be in
sports in sports. We'll get to that in a second,
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but let's begin with Portland and Albany were the regional sites. Now, look,
it actually is kind of a genius idea that the women,
and as much as the women have established themselves as relevant,
we have to be honest and say they're not as
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relevant or have nearly the following. Like, Look, the arena
when they play the Final four will be sold out.
It's an NBA arena in Cleveland, But they couldn't fill
a seventy five thousand foot stag seventy five thousand seat
stadium like the Men can. Okay, but that should not
diminish the growth of the sport. It's growing, not shrinking,
and it's not flat. It's definitely growing. It's more important
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and we're talking about it. But what they did was
they had two regional sites instead of the Men having four.
They had won in Albany, which sorry, I mean outside
of having Yukon in Albany, which Yukon is not actually
in Albany. Not only is Connecticut not in Albany, but
Yukon is not playing in Albany. They're playing in Portland
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against USC They have LSU and Iowa, which is the
big game everybody's talking about. But so when you have
a regional site. And I played in the Sweet sixteen
in Syracuse, and I played in three NCAA tournaments. I
covered four NCAA tournaments for CBS Sports, and I've I
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can only speak from wow. Probably my first shoo around
I attended, I was probably like eleven or twelve. No,
my first Final Four I went to was in nineteen
eighty nine. Was that thirty five years ago? Thirty five
years ago? Seattle, Washington, the Old Kingdom and what used
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to be big. Then it's not as big now were
the practices. You'd come out and the place was mostly full,
you know, forty forty five thousand people for a practice.
High school coaches, young college coaches, AAU coaches, and fans.
They'd come. They'd have their notes, and teams would go
through their drills. And what everyone does when you're playing
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in a new venue is you shoot at one end,
and then at some point in time you switch and
you shoot at the other end. And then the day
of the game, when you do shoot around the same thing,
you shoot at one end and then you shoot the
other end. And again, I only know this from thirty
(04:59):
five years of experience, thirty five years ago, and I'd
been to college basketball practice before my dad was a
college coach. But in terms of being in that type
of environment, I've it's been thirty five years, so I
have a little bit of experience in this, and everyone
I've been to make sure the coaches always make sure,
hey make sure you shoot at both ends right. Backgrounds
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are different, things can feel a little different. You're trying
to get your space shial, especially in domes or even
in arenas. You're trying to get the different what it
feels like so in the women's regional in Portland, Oregon,
they had one three point line that was the men's
three point line and one that's the women's and they
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delayed the game and then they decided to stop the game.
They decided to play the game and not stop the game.
One ESPN analyst said the women were courageous for playing,
Like I know, there's a lot of different things that
you call courage playing a basketball game, and the line
when one of the lines is wrong is not courage.
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But nonetheless, it was a really bizarre thing. But here's
my question. Obviously it's a screw up, and everyone's gonna
blame the NCAA, and I guess at the end of
the day, they should blame the NCAA, But it's really whoever,
well did the stencil on the court right? And this
thing was done months ago. It wasn't like they just
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got it done the day before the tournament and then
still smells like the lacker and they whip it out there. No,
it's been done for a while, so there's all kinds
of checks and balances, and somewhere in the on line,
no one said like, hey, that one doesn't look like
that one. But I want you to think about this
for a second. So they played in Portland yesterday. Yesterday
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was a Sunday. The regional semi finals were on Friday.
That means they were all there on Thursday. On Thursday,
eighteen teams practiced on that court. On Friday, eight teams
shot around on that court. That's when you always do
these switching ends, even though you probably didn't practice too
on Saturday. Four teams practice. On Sunday, four teams shot
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around and then played. And it wasn't until right before
one of the games that somebody goes, hey, I think
one of the lines is off. I just find that
to be the most stunning thing ever. I can you
buyer you. We've been doing this a long time. And
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I heard Van van Chances or something guy's name that
the Texas head coach uh Vick Shaffer. I'm sorry, Vic
Shaffervan chance did Vic Schaeffer is like, you know, only
women's basketball. Like it's kind of like an AAU basketball thing, right,
That kind of stuff happens in AAU. I've seen it
in international basketball or when you go to play an
exhibition game at one of these ballrooms, they lay down
the tape sometimes for three point Ryan and we've seen everything.
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But in the NCAA tournament to have eight teams practice,
shoot around and play and no one say anything. Remember
this is the second day they played games. That's the
most stunning part to me, not just that somebody screwed
it up.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
It's it's crazy and this is not in my mind.
Remember a couple of years ago when it was complaining
about the women have their workout rooms in a you know,
like a convention center ballroom in the mess.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Which was a which is a bull argument, by the way,
and I'll but anyway, Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The point being of it doesn't fall under that realm
or fall into that realm because this has always been going.
I mean, you you make the cord to its specifications.
It's not a yeah, it's not a lack of attention
to no satisfying the women's name. It's a basic fundamental
part of the game that they completely messed up.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
No, listen, it's a brand new floor, okay, the women's regional,
just like the men. They get brand new floors. Could
they use the floor that's at the Motive Center, that's
where the Blaziers play. Could they use the Blazier's floor.
Of course they could, but for whatever reason, the NCAA
has mandated that they want these blanket floors to all
look the same, which all of us old school hoopheads
(09:13):
right buy or you're just like this, like this is
why are we doing this? It was so much cooler
when you had the floors that were unique unto themselves. Sure,
everybody like, but the nca is like, no, no, no,
we want our own floors, and they spend it's an
exorbitant cost to have your own floor.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
And one of the things, Doug, one of the things
too was remember they would put stickers on the court
and then you would have problems with that. Yeah, so
I think that also kind of led into the because
they want to have their labels and their logos March
Madness at mid court and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Sure, and then if it's a segment court and they
put the segments in there, it never quite works for
it either. You got to do a whole new floor,
totally get it. But somebody screwed up somebody's that you
had one job and that person should no longer have
that job. You just you can't do it, Like, I
don't know, but the fact that no one saw it
like that part to me is I just talked to
one of the coaches that was there, like I didn't see,
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I didn't know. No one said anything. No one said
anything like I don't know. Every time I play basketball,
everyone I know is like that hoops low, that line
looks short. Just amazing to me.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Sorry if I miss this, But who did catch it?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Do we know?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I don't know who officially caught it as one of
the two Texas or NC State. All right, let's get
to let's get to the other part of the women's game,
which is the victimhood. Okay, we don't have to make
it good versus evil. We don't. That probably would sell
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more seats, that would get more eyes. But if people
are people don't want to be so. The La Times
had a a commentary column and a guy named Ben
who covers UCLA sports Don't Forgoming You Say Sports, talked
about the matchup between UCLA and LSU, and in it
(11:12):
he labeled LSU as the dirty Debutantes, which I thought
when I heard. When I heard it and then I
read it, I immediately thought of you, Jason Stewart, Do
you know why alliteration I'm like, Jason's gonna love this.
It's clever alliteration. It's it's really clever literation. But what's
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happened since is frankly embarrassing to women's basketball. Embarrassing. You
started with the Kim Mulky deal, where she claimed that
there was a what was the She claimed that there
was a piece that was gonna like a take take
her down piece, a hit piece, and it turned out
to be a profile piece. Now, I think it's reasonable
(11:57):
to think that her threats of lawsuits probably made them
take some of the salacious details out right. Very reasonable.
Do you know why, because everyone's scared of the pushback
they're getting for the La Times, which is a commentary
piece which, oh yeah, by the way, like was really
nicely written and pointed out whatever like you can call.
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I just thought it was clever alliteration. But then you
got this. Hailey van Litt, who's white talented player, best
player for or leading scorer for Louisville last year, lost
to Iwood in the Elite eight, said this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
We do have a lot of black women on this team.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
We do have a lot of people that are from
different areas, and unfortunately you.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Know that that bias does exist still.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Today, and a lot of the people that are making
those comments are being racist towards my teammates.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
And you know, I'm in a unique.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Situation where I see with myself, you know, I'll talk
trash and I'll get a different reaction than if Angel
talks trash, and so it's really up to me to
you know, it's not up to me, but I have
a duty to my.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Teammates to have their back.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
And obviously, you know, some of the words that we're
using that article were very sad and upsetting, and you know,
I didn't really I actually didn't want us to to
read the article before the game because hearing stuff like that,
it's it's not right, and it's not that type of
description of us isn't always motivating. I think, you know,
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calling us basically the dirty debutantes like that's that's that
has nothing to do with sports, and that is not
that's not motivating. And so I think I wish we
hadn't read that, because I think that that can crush
your soul a little bit that someone would ever say
that about us, that doesn't know us. But again, you know, obviously,
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in my opinion, I know for a fact that people
see us differently because we do have a lot of
black women on our team who have an attitude and
like to talk trash, and you know, people feel a
way about it. But at the end of the day,
I'm rocking with them because they don't let that change.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Who they are.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, there's a lot to unpack there. First thing is,
in my opinion, it's a fact those two things do
not actually work together. Right in your opinion. You're allowed
to say that if you think that the racial connotations
come into play, But like, are we really is that
what we're doing? This is what we do when when
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somebody screws up the court for the NCAA, automatically it's sexism.
Like this all started by the way Dan pointed out
with the San Antonio weight room situation. You guys remember
that this was during the COVID year and again this
is we talked about the time. But it's embarrassing that
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no one else in the media actually will pay make
up the phone and call somebody. What was the difference.
Why was the men's weight room so nice and the
women's weight room not nice? It was just like the
shake weight It's like they had like they had. They
had a couple of mats, a shake weight, a couple
other things, right, all those different deals you can buy
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on TV. Somebody ordered them and put them in a
weight room. Well, the men had the big ten tournament
there in Indy and then had all the rounds of
the tournament in one place. They were there for a month,
and the organizing committee put in their resoarch too. The
women had just showed up like the day before and
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then had the final four and oh yeah, by the way, again,
you have to blame the right people, the organizing committee
for San Antonio, I believe was the city was to
blame there. The people to blame for the court was
whoever put the court together, not the NCAA, not sexism,
not racism. And as for Ben's column, like, I don't
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know what world you're looking at, Hailey, but they're talking
about you, not just Angel Reese. Okay, let me be
honest with you. Has Hailey vanly been called Kevin Durant
by anybody in the media because she pulled to Kevin Durant, right,
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She lost to Iowa in the Elite eight, I believe,
is that right?
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And then she joined LSU the next year as essentially
a free agent. Now what's not mentioned and in all
of these articles is LSU is doing the same thing
in baseball in women's basketball. They're just buying up talent, which, again,
by the rules, is legal. Okay, whatever your level, whatever
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your belief is in how ethical it is, it is fine.
Like I'm not, there is nothing illegal about what they
are doing. Period stop. So don't anybody say I'm I
didn't say they're breaking any rules. Do I think it's
good practice, you know, to recruit off of another team
when you win a national championship and you have good
enough players to win. Like, no, not really. But again,
(17:08):
I'm also not coaching, and I'm also not Kim Mochie
who's trying to cement herself as, in her mind, the
greatest women's coach of all time by winning it multiple
schools and winning multiple titles at LSU. I get it, okay,
but she's like, well, you know we have black women
talking trash. No, you're not understanding. The reason no one
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likes you is because one you go buy up a
player from another team after winning a championship, essentially pulling
the Kevin Durant two you'd run your mouth constantly, your
coach is despised, and anytime somebody's critical of you, you
go to the sexism a racism card. I just the
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sport is growing, it is healthy, and you're on what
should be by the way, like again this we just
have people don't like ourttitudes. Your own coach suspended Angel
Reese this year because of her attitude. What we are teaching,
frankly women, but we're teaching all young people is there's
(18:14):
zero accountability none. Hey what if we just went out
and won the game and then when the buzzer's over,
we point to the scoreboard, celebrate however you want in
your locker room. Okay, enjoy it, go to a Final four,
win another national championship. But you can't do that. Look.
I like that you're rocking with your teammates. My best
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friends are my teammates. I've been texting them all day
long about a bunch of stuff. Brett Robish, Happy birthday
to you, man. You were awesome to play with. But
this people making like could you avoid the word dirty
because dirty and women has a negative, super negative connotation. Yeah,
I get that that's reasonable, But to make it about
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racism like, come on, what are we doing? Because what
that means? And I had a lot a long time
ago when John Caliperry, I believe he was at Memphis
before they went play lost in National Championship. It's like
two years before. That group was really young. Maybe it
was the year before. And I was asked on TV
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how do you beat Memphis? And I said, hey, they're young.
You got to put them in the half court and
make make them think. And John cal Perry said that's racist.
So I called coach cow and I was like, coach,
what are you talking about? I don't have a racist
bone in my body, that's wh He's like, well, you
know you're critical of my team. My team is all black.
Like I wasn't credivolk of your team. They're black, they're young.
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I was like, if you self scouted and you said,
what's the best way to beat your team? He's like,
that's not the point. I go, Actually, that is the point.
My job is to analyze. I was asked how to
beat your team? And did I nail it? He's like yeah,
but no, no, no, no not. But so we got to
stop because what you're doing is your sport is welcoming in.
(20:02):
Lots of people who are just dropping in. Hey, I
want to see this, and you've made yourself the villain.
That's fine, lean into it. You want to talk trash,
that's fine. But if you talk track. Here's the thing.
If you talk trash, not everybody's gonna like it. Lots
of people won't. There's a way to handle yourself like champions.
You haven't and the idea that it's your opinion and
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a fact that people are racist because they're pointing out
how unlikable you are. You are not likable. No one
likes you, and it's not because of your basketball. It's
because of how you act and how your coach acts
and how she's treated people along her path. If you
can't accept that, then this is probably not the pool
you should be playing in. This is the adult pool,
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and in the adult pool you have to be accountable
for your actions and people are going to be critical
of you. And if you can't play through some of
that critique, especially when it's again, the adult pool's not
for you, go swimming the kiddie pool.
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Speaker 7 (21:32):
Y'all.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Have a good weekend.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Mine was interesting always I've been working for Westwood one.
I was also able to coach little basketball while working
for Westwood one. So thanks to my boss, how we
dinner off over there. That was cool. We just kind
of the timing end up working out. The guys that
made hoops end up working out, and uh uh, I'm
actually taking my group to the Final four. That's gonna
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be fun. So I have two basketball teams to coach
and kids to hang out at the Final four. Just uh,
it's just the celebration support. If you haven't been, you
should go. It's really cool. And Phoenix not a great
site for it, just because the arena is not next
to the hotels and everybody spread out and dudes play
golf or whatever. But the weather's really nice. So that
part helps. Uh, I did have this weird thing that
(22:17):
happened this weekend. I wanted to share, and we'll get
to love and hate in a minute.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I was.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
My daughter is a terrific equestrian. She rides horses. She's
gonna ride in college in my own modern ocal mistake,
which is great. And so I hadn't her trainer who
she actually works for. She's a working student, she doesn't
go to traditional high school. Her trainer he been on
the road for like a month, and she's on the
road for like the last two weeks, you know, working
(22:45):
for him. So I just wanted to like, Hey, what's
our plan and what do you where is she and
what do we need to be thinking about and how
do we minimize cost? This stuff is expensive and all
that stuff, right, So I had to be somewhere to
pick up my son like I had. You guys know,
(23:07):
I'm that bad with time, Okay, I'm just am and
I try and do too many things at once. That's
actually my biggest issue. I'm not as bad with time
as much as I always say sure I can do that,
Sure I can do that, Sure I can do that,
and then end up like man everybody gets pinched for time.
So I didn't have anything Saturday morning, so I got
(23:27):
up at a great cup of coffee. Then I went
and got a workout in, and then I was supposed
to meet him at like eleven thirty, and I was
there eleven fifteen. I was somewhere early, new thing for me,
And of course the gentleman I was meeting with, he
was running a little bit late. And if you know,
in the best southern California this weekend, it rained and
rained and rained, so it's muddy. We end up meeting.
(23:49):
I leave at the proper amount of time. I left
at twelve ten. I needed to be somewhere that was
twenty minutes away at twelve forty five. That's pretty good
time management, right, And I'm pulling out and where their
barn is, there's train tracks and the arm was down
in the train for the train, but no train was coming.
I'm like, all right, help minutes, we'll get through. Help minutes.
(24:12):
Couple more minutes, go, moremnus go, more minutes, huge line
of cars, and it dawns on me that the arms
are down but no train is coming. People are turning
around and there's another exit, but that exit also blocked
by the arms being down. Now it's like twenty five
minutes that I'm freaking out. I actually called one one
and they're like nine one. What's the emergency of? Like,
(24:33):
I don't know if I'm calling the right place, but
the arm for the trains is down in san Juai
capistran on. I can't literally no other way out. I'm like, dude,
I can't. I won't be able to do my Westward
one stuff. I won't be able to coach my kid.
My kids give me, wait me to pick them up.
Like I'm completely screwed. It was the most helpless feeling
I've ever had. Anyway, that was my weekend. I mean
I had other stuff too. Go on, uh, Jay Stu,
(24:56):
you had an interesting weekend as you went down a
rabbit hole, right.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah, I mean you referred to it in the first
segment of the show. It's the whole controversy with the
Kim Maulky thing in the La Times and Ben Bolts
and stuff. So I wake up and I start listening
to what Malke was saying, like this La Times stuff,
it's despicable, it's sexist, and she's like, you should google
(25:20):
dirty Debutantes and you will be disgusted just like I am.
And I did that. I followed her advice and I
googled Dirty Debutantes and what I found was that it's
a a longtime pornographic series, so once you google it,
it's not safe for work or in the household with
the kids. Whatever. Okay, so that's one thing. But then
(25:41):
I went to Urban Dictionary and then read the Urban
Dictionary slang term for Dirty Debutantes, and it's it's pretty horrific.
I mean we're talking about and it's, yeah, it's very
racially descriptive as well. I should have screenshoted that that
that definition, because as we're talking about it today, I
go back to reference it, knowing we had talked about
(26:04):
this today and someone erased it. Someone erased the Urban
Dictionary definition that Malky asked us to go look up.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So in my mind that really the Urban Dictionary thing.
Did somebody plant that after they like I'd never heard
any of that stuff?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Oh yeah, well, I mean I just it was right
after she said google it. So who knows the timeline
on this, But I was thinking, at the very least
Ben Bolch and the La Times editors who read that
story were guilty of not knowing the slang version of
that description.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I think they got I think I agree with you.
I didn't know the slang version of the description. I
just thought it was clever alliteration. And of all people
that love clever alliteration, you're number one.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I loved that. Yeah, I'm a big fan of that.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Right, I had no idea anything weird happen to you there,
Dan Buyer over the weekend?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Weird? No, nothing Weirdly.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
A rabbit hole where you're googling something and getting caught
in porn sites, I'd say that's kind of weird. That's
that's a weird not something you expected to do on
a Saturday, right, Yeah, Jay.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
That's true. I mean it's usually a Wednesday night.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Gating caught a quotes.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Let's get to love it hate.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
What did you love?
Speaker 7 (27:20):
God?
Speaker 5 (27:20):
I love you?
Speaker 8 (27:21):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Meet these player hays?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
All right, dere uh what we love for the weekend.
Let's start with Dan Bayer. Love coming from the from Dan.
What do you got Danny?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
You know, Doug, this past weekend was an interesting one.
I usually don't like to get personal on the air,
but uh, It's been a quite a time with my
father in law for the past month and a half
or so. And on Saturday, after a month in the
ICU and then more time in a hospital, he was
discharged from the hospital. Yeah, on satur So is that
(27:58):
at a at a rehab facilit Yes, but from Super
Bowl Sunday until this past Saturday he's been hospitalized. So
Saturday was a big day in the household, so that
our father in law is is on the mend. So
that was that was a huge thing that we loved
(28:19):
in the household.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Awesome good up following that one, Sam, what do you got?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I love the makeup of this final four. I know
you've already touched on this in the show and in
the bonus pot, but I love it when story like
Purdue and Iowa had this same and of course I
got to get Iowa into this somehow had this same
drought in the Final four nineteen eighty So for me,
it's like I look at them and I kind of
empathize a little bit and they're in the final four.
(28:46):
You got NC State first final four since that year
they won it all Jim Valvano nineteen eighty three. So
there's a forty one year gap there, Alabama never been there,
and of course you got to have your supervillain, roll
damned Tad, which is Yu Konnen. I don't empathize Taddy
Alabama being a having a rich football history oldamn tadd Yeah,
(29:06):
roll damn Tad, I don't. I don't empathize with them
as much. But it is still cool to get to
your first Final four ever ever, and then for a
couple of the teams to be forty more than forty
years and of course Yukon has to be there as
the villain in the death Star UH to try to
take out. So I love this Final four. The makeup,
the mix of it is great, great storylines. Love it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Chase two.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Dodgers took three or four from the Cardinals in the
opening weekend of the season. And that's not a big
deal because the Cardinals suck. But I will say this,
Shoho Tani led the major leagues in baseball all of
last season and he did not hit one home run
this this this weekend, he's over for I think twenty
six at bats no home runs.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
What are the odds?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
He's won every eleven last year, so the odds would
be exactly two out of twenty six. Now here's the
cool thing. Guess who leads the majors in baseball? What
team home runs? The Dodgers lead the team in baseball
with home runs, with shohel Tani having zero. That's scary, gentlemen,
(30:12):
that is scary.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Frightening, frightening. Mookie man, hot, Mookie bets. Why you show
his favorite teammate?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You know, I do have to say and the love thing.
I'm surprised Jason did not mention. Uh, unless you don't
want me to jinx it, Jason, I don't want to
jinx it.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
No, no, you can mention it. It's great.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Jason is alive in a survivor pool for the NCAA tournament.
This is wild and in fact the crazy. I seventy
of you are left? Is that right?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Seven six six active entries out of nineteen seventy two. Okay,
nineteen hundred and seventy two.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Do you have Yukon left or do you have perdue left?
I have perdue left and that's it.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Wait, so can you pick them for both games?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Nope? So my pool is gonna end at the final four.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh, pick perdue.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
But if all six people end at the final four,
I'm splitting a ton of money six ways how much?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
How much money is a ton of money?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Thirty some one thousand, I don't know, eighteen thousand.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well, thirty eighteen thousand, there's a big there's twelve thousand
dollars difference between the two.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, winner gets like around seven grand. And so then
if you combine the two, like like Rick Neuheisel, Yeah,
for ten dollars.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
That's the crazy thing, ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
The other crazy thing is of the seven finalists, I
know two of them because my other buddy is one
of the seven alongside Jason. So this is like I
know like thirty three percent of the pools that are
that are alive. It's crazy, it's and these things are difficult, right.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Dan was handed a gut punch, by the way, because
Houston's going to be my hate.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, it's gonna be my hate.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Let's go to Hey.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, I didn't really do love, but I liked you
A little love this weekend. I a little love this weekend. Also,
I watched Dune last night, just this. I really liked it.
It took me a while to figure out what the
hell I was watching because I never read the books,
but I enjoyed it a great deal. Watching my daughter
Harper because we all want to watch Dune too, but
we can't watch Doon two.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
I liked it. I liked it too as good.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Anyway, what I loved about this weekend was I love
that Alabama advanced playing Everybody says analytic basketball where you
shoot threes and only get to the room with layups,
But it's how they do it and how program they are,
and how everyone knows on their team, knows where they're
(32:44):
supposed to be, what they're supposed to be doing. It's
it's just beautiful. I truly enjoy really well played, fun,
up tempo offensive basketball. I don't enjoy. I respect what
Purdue does. I respect how NC State has gotten to
the Final four. I respect how Yukon though they they
play a lot very European style. But I love the
(33:05):
way Alabama plays, like if you want to know how
I want my my my teams to play as a coach,
as a player, as a fan, that's how love that.
Let's get the hate, Dan, I'm sorry. I'm gonna have
to go to Jay stew first. He just has a
lot of hate in his All right, you don't have
that natural amount of hate he does. He oozes with it,
(33:25):
so let's let him get it out. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
What's NC State's big man's name?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
DJ Burns.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
DJ Burns never heard of him until I don't know,
a couple weeks ago. Personally, I know you guys of him.
I guess he's a sixth year college basketballa.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
He red shirted at Tennessee, then a couple of years
at Winthrop, which is in the hometown of rock Hill,
South Carolina, and then this is his second year at
North Carolina State.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
And he's not who I hate. In fact, I really
love him. He and his social media are great. He
looks like a huge personality and that's awesome. What I
hate is what the media has done with his story
instead of just appreciate what he's done and how far
he's gotten and how he's like the biggest personality in
the tournament, we have to think about what's next. So
(34:12):
I guess he's not good enough to be in the NBA.
I guess he doesn't have what it takes. But then,
like Peter Schrager went on with like an April Fool's
joke tweet, today saying that Scouts. He's talked to Scouts
and they're interested in bringing him in as a possible
tight end or something. Everyone fell for it. Everyone fell
for it. So it's like the media just can't appreciate
(34:35):
something being cool right now. They need to be like,
what is he gonna do next? He's good to play football?
And by the way, that's an insult to pro football players.
The kid hasn't played since it was in eighth grade.
He hasn't played football. That's an insult to them as well.
So I hated that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
You have to play some sub of football I think
to make the transition work. But I agree with the
premise of we have to always have to find out
what's we'll do it this week? Well kind of prosy
gonna be? What kind of prosy gonna be? We do
with Zach Edy instead of going like, man, he's like
the most dominant college player we've had a long time.
Dan Byer some you hate from the weekend?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, I hated the Jamal Shed injury because it knocked
me out of the UH survivor pool this past weekend
and ended any hope because they would have won that
game if Jamal Shed is healthy. But when he wasn't,
there was no way they were gonna win that game.
I don't care if they had a chance to tie
it at the buzzer, it was not going to happen.
(35:31):
It was not in the cards for Houston. So that
ended up ruining my basketball weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I'm gonna just say this. I believe that the sign
of a program that's made it is actually an injury
like this. Here's what I mean. They've been to a
Final four, They've had a collapse against Michigan, and now
they've had an injury. Think about Perdue's had Robbi Hummel
got hurt. Back when Butler went to the National Championship game,
Perdue might have been the best team. Robbi Hummel got hurt.
(35:57):
And then they had Isaac Host got hurt one year
when they were one of the best teams as well.
Duke's had injuries, you know, Zion injury at times. Kyrie
got hurt in Kyrie's year. You look at all these programs,
they've all had one of those. So I agree with you.
I hated it too, for the kid and for your pool.
Sorry you didn't make all that money. That would have
been really good. Uh, but I do think it's actually
(36:18):
a sign of something good to come, because you have
to go through that in or to get there, Sam kinsel.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Kinsley but close. That's all right, so everyone, that's all
the telemarketers sayd I uh, I don't hate LSU, but
I hate the fact that I allowed.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
To hate LSU well a year. So let's hold on,
let's just do this. Okay. I'm sorry if it bothers you.
If you're a women's basketball fan, no, but when you've
made it as a sport, is when people hate you. Yeah, okay,
everybody hates Duke. Duke loses, people celebrate it just shows
that Duke has made it. I just want people to
understand that if you want to play in the big, big,
(36:55):
big person pool, that that's some of the stuff that
comes with the big go ahead. You hateed LSU.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
No, but I was trying to set the context here. Fine.
My contempt for LSU has been going for about a
year now. Ever since that title game. I hate the
fact that Iowa has has to play them again to
get back to the Final four. I hate that it's
on a Monday today, and I hate that it's at
four o'clock Pacific.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Time.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I got a rush home, and I'm going to miss
the first fifteen minutes of the game. I hate the day.
I hate the time. Now I'm going to my buddy's house.
He's and we'll cast it to his TV. But I'm
going to miss the beginning of it. I hate the day,
I hate the time, and I hate the fact that LSU,
who's basically Iowa's adversary you know out there in the
media world for the last year, they have to play
them to get back to the Final four. And I
(37:38):
always feel like, you know, a team like LSU, Doug,
you said it in a break, they have superior talent.
So it's gonna be very hard for like against South
Carolina last year, I would got some good calls in
their favor. That's really the I think the only way
they're gonna beat LSU is they get the refs on
their side. So that's that's left for the conspiracy theory
people to talk about the Cat and Clark bias. But
(37:59):
they're gonna need some help because it's gonna be tough
because they got they got the length. LSU's got the length.
That's what I hate.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Okay, I hated that clown show that's such a distraction
with the mismatch three point lines, like, I A, how
does that happen? I just I hate it for everybody involved,
(38:26):
because it makes it look makes the NCAA tournament looks
like clowns, makes the women's tournament look like clowns. You know,
makes viewers look, wait, I saw that. I thought something
was weird. Something was weird. So yeah, I just hated
that because it took away from watching the games and
(38:48):
list of the games, because all I could figure is
like all the different layers to how does this happen?
I couldn't figure.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Very distracting. I mean, yeah, the stuff like that just
shouldn't happen. It should be if the fun mentally sound,
that the court is set and ready to go with
all the proper dimensions.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
One would think, one would think, one would think, And
that is love and hate.
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with the Jeff joins me now here on the Doug
Gotlib Show on Foxsports Radio. If I were to tell
you before the tournament began, these would be our four
teams in the final four, what would your reaction be?
Speaker 7 (40:00):
All Right, So you and I've talked about this for
a while that I said, like, I'm not going to
be surprised if we got a couple, you know, people
coming to the party that we didn't expect. Now, did
I think it would be NC State? Hell No, I
thought it would be maybe more of like an FAU type,
more of a mid major E type. But I'm not
that shocked because again, we're dealing in an era where
(40:23):
you have nil, you've got those distractions, you have the
extra COVID year. Think about this with NC State, not
one player on their team right now started their career
at NC State. Every guy that's playing right now for
NC State started somewhere else. Dj Burns is in his
six year at college, six years, started red shirt at
(40:44):
Tennessee three, it went through a second year right now
at NC State, so they are old. That helps Alabama.
Three mid major transfers, three guys Mark Sears, Aeron Estrada,
Brand Nelson. Their best three players are mid majors for
up guys. So you knew there was going to be
something wacky. I just didn't think it would be. Honestly,
(41:06):
Enchi State, like Alabama, I didn't think they'd get there.
But it's not like super shocking. So yeah, I mean again,
I'm surprised at who it is. I'm not surprised the
fact that there were a couple shockers get into the
final four.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
What losing coach were? You most surprised by how they
coached this weekend?
Speaker 7 (41:32):
Shire Tire yesterday Shire just the fact that he didn't
double Dj Burns like it just their offense was so
got awful. And again when you look at their team
and you're like, okay, they got two first round picks.
Now again, Tyreese Proctor shouldn't be allowed to go pro
after that performance stuck like there should be like some
(41:54):
sort of rule that you have to score in your
last game or you're not allowed to go pro Seriously.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
It was bad.
Speaker 7 (42:07):
It was awful.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
It was the opposite of good.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
Sure, Philipowski wasn't very good, you know, like like their offense,
I don't know what was worse. Was their offense worse
or their defense? It was and they were so lucky
just to get there. The only reason they got there,
let's face it, and I've said it to you, like,
was because Shed got hurt. Otherwise Houston would have beaten them.
(42:29):
And I think Houston, I don't know, Houston probably would
be in the Final four right now if Jamal Shed
doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
No question, no question. Okay, you kun like that you
were there and look they're basically playing a home game
and Klingon was amazing and the crowd was incredible, and
(42:55):
you know, Danny Is is eating it all up. What
do you think the perception like, I'm interested if I'm
interested if the act because he admitted like, hey, our
fans are of not just on social He's like, hey,
I can be a little bit of it. I can
be an a hole. Like he totally understands all this stuff,
(43:18):
which is great, But how do you think they're perceived nationally,
not in the basketball world, in the fan world.
Speaker 7 (43:28):
Yeah, I mean I think again, most people, if you know,
if you're a real fan of college basketball, they probably
do not like Dan Hurley. And Dan Hurley is fine
with that. In fact, he loves it. He that's what
motivates him. He wants that. Like he literally after the game,
you saw me and the first thing he says to me,
(43:50):
he looks at me and goes, you picked up for
you And I'm like, no, I didn't. But if that
makes you feel better about yourself, and if that could
drive you and motivate you, sure I picked that. Fau
Dan Like, that's how he is, Doug. He's out of
his frigging mind. I played a game with all the
players the day before on the podium. I said, hey, guys,
(44:13):
let's play a game. We're gonna do kind of a
word association with Dan Hurley. One word to describe him.
You can't say the same word as everybody else. I said,
I'm must start, and I said lunatic and they all
kind of laughed, right, and then they kind of they
were very nice, you know, competitive winner whatever. The five players.
(44:34):
But he is a lunatic Doug and he embraces it.
And if you get him, get him. Get his wife
Andrea talking about him, because she will tell some stories. Man,
he told she told me a story. He blew out
his slipper. She packs two slippers for him for all
the trips because he won't walk on hotel floors in
(44:55):
his bare feet, so she brought two slippers. He blew
out one of his slippers. And this is before the
San Diego State camp and the backup slipper was black,
and he didn't want to wear it. Wouldn't wear it
because it's the same color Goo State's uniforms. So this
dude is out of his mind. But I kind of
(45:18):
love it. I do love it.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, I do too. I Mean it's it's like I
would call it basketball crazy. That's possible, right, It's not
like crazy, like muttering to yourself on a street corner.
It's like basketball crazy. And that's that's the people we
love and we operate around. Is the world ready for
Donovan clinging versus Zach Edy in a chapwichhip game?
Speaker 7 (45:43):
We're ready for it, aren't we now? Again, It's funny
because the world was ready for it ten years ago, right,
ten years ago, that happens. Everybody's excited. Now you're going
to get like half the country excited and the other
half going like, we don't want to see this. It's
two big, you know, plotting big guys, and they're not
(46:03):
really plotting, they're they're huge. And it's crazy because stud like,
you know how this is. It seems like Julia Lukafor
was taken high in the NBA draft. All these big guys.
It's changed. But now two things with this year that
that can get Zach Edy and Donovan Cleing and both
(46:23):
drafted in the first round and maybe even the lottery
is one. The big man has kind of made its
way back into the NBA a little bit, right. I mean,
obviously you see Jo Kitchen. They're at different level, we
know that, but but you see some really good bigs
and two of the draft stinks. This year stinks the
worst it's ever been ever.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
It's not it's not good, which means now we have
to wait on all these guys saying they're going to
the draft before they ultimately go to the portal. Right,
that's that's ultimately.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
Maybe they won't go to the portal because the drafts
so bad. Maybe a lot of them won't.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
No, I know, but it's it's like a waiting game,
and it's gonna be.
Speaker 7 (46:58):
Like Johnny Furfy. If you're Johnny Furphy, you need to
come back Tyre's proctor again, couldn't be eligible. But if
you're Tyree's proctor, the more you if you come back again,
you could really get exposed in another year, right your
junior year, you don't, you don't get better. You could
be exposed and fall out of the first round completely.
Where there's still a good chance in this year's draft, Doug,
(47:19):
somebody takes a flyer on Tyre's proctor late in the
first round.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
It's a great it's a great point. I don't know.
I think it'd be fascinating to see what happens. Fascinating
to see what happens in the draft. And then again,
somebody is going to pull out last second, and then
then they'll go to the portal, and we think, and
and then and then where do they go? Lad addition,
last last thing and this is a this is one
that we hadn't discussed. Okay, Cooper flag is going to
(47:46):
Duke next year.
Speaker 7 (47:47):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Think Shire's really good. I didn't think they had a
good day yesterday. What level of pressure is on Shire
for next year?
Speaker 7 (47:56):
A lot, a lot with Cooper Flagg because again, this
is this guy all of college basketball. He's going to
be about Cooper flag next year. Like that's all anybody
you know, you know how ESPN preseason they I've been
in those meetings, you've been in They're like, all right,
what's our big storyline. What's the big storyline that we're
going to try to get college basketball to be really
(48:17):
relevant in November, December, January. Two words, Cooper Black. That's
what's going to get the sport relevant. So they're going
to build him up like he is Larry Bird and
he's not. He's not. Now. He's an elite passer, he's
an elite shot blocker. He's a really good athlete. For
(48:37):
those that don't know, you know, he's got the size
in the body of Larry Bird, you know, six eight
sixty nine coming out of Maine. Not a great shooter yet,
but can pass it, can handle it. He's super fun
to watch. But he's so unique. Yeah, it's going to
put some pressure on it. He's not alone. I mean,
they got kid Isaiah Evans coming in and this big kid,
(49:00):
the Gamba, a big kid. They beat out a bunch
of people for they'll return some guys. I mean again
my question, you do you think Proctor comes back or
no chance?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I don't. I don't know enough about the kid or whatever.
Speaker 7 (49:13):
But liked he could he come back?
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Of course? Yeah, if he's not a first round pick,
he should absolutely come back. And I don't see him
being a first round pick, but I could. I could
be wrong.
Speaker 7 (49:23):
Yeah, I think somebody takes them in the twenties.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Anyway, somebody takes them the twenties, then he should go
before people figure out he shouldn't go in the twenties exactly.
The show is Goodman versus Gottlieb. You can read him elsewhere,
but do you really?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (49:35):
I on the f Field to sixty eight, which is
really cool. When I don't get cut from it because
they want to tape it early. It's an awesome, awesome podcast.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
You don't get back to us quick enough, so when
we schedule a lot of times.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
I need a quick thank you, Jeff, thank you, thank you, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
No no, no no.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
I love that you're exposing no f.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Both of you, because he sends me three weeks in advance.
And I don't know three weeks in advance because I
don't I don't know a lot of things about my nighttime.
Speaker 7 (50:02):
Doug doesn't know. Hey, Doug doesn't know where he's going
to be five minutes from now, what he's going to
be doing, never mind three weeks.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Thanks Jeff, Talk soon later.
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I would utter huge Elite eight women's game tonight that
we care about, and I don't think, I don't know
we care about, like we're gonna watch. I mean, Sam cares,
Sam's and Iowa guy Sam caris about it. But the
rest of us will watch watch. I know I'm supposed
(01:14):
to recap the Elite eight, and I will because there's
a lot of interesting stuff to it. Right Yukon and
the dominant performance of cling Kong. By the way, I
do have a little I got a little riff for
you on Cling Kong, and I think this is really interesting.
It does tie together with Hailey van lith and what
(01:36):
she said about racism in an LA Times article. Okay,
we'll get that sound for you, but let me also again,
I can't believe that we're on the day after the
Elite Eight, getting ready for a Final four, and I
have to start with women's basketball because this story is
(01:58):
the most bizarre I've ever heard of in sports, ever
heard of in sports. And we'll get to women playing
the victim and how off putting it can be in
sports in sports. We'll get to that in a second,
(02:20):
but let's begin with Portland and Albany were the regional sites. Now, look,
it actually is kind of a genius idea that the women,
and as much as the women have established themselves as relevant,
we have to be honest and say they're not as
(02:41):
relevant or have nearly the following. Like, Look, the arena
when they play the Final four will be sold out.
It's an NBA arena in Cleveland, But they couldn't fill
a seventy five thousand foot stag seventy five thousand seat
stadium like the Men can. Okay, but that should not
diminish the growth of the sport. It's growing, not shrinking,
and it's not flat. It's definitely growing. It's more important
(03:03):
and we're talking about it. But what they did was
they had two regional sites instead of the Men having four.
They had won in Albany, which sorry, I mean outside
of having Yukon in Albany, which Yukon is not actually
in Albany. Not only is Connecticut not in Albany, but
Yukon is not playing in Albany. They're playing in Portland
(03:24):
against USC They have LSU and Iowa, which is the
big game everybody's talking about. But so when you have
a regional site. And I played in the Sweet sixteen
in Syracuse, and I played in three NCAA tournaments. I
covered four NCAA tournaments for CBS Sports, and I've I
(03:51):
can only speak from wow. Probably my first shoo around
I attended, I was probably like eleven or twelve. No,
my first Final Four I went to was in nineteen
eighty nine. Was that thirty five years ago? Thirty five
years ago? Seattle, Washington, the Old Kingdom and what used
(04:18):
to be big. Then it's not as big now were
the practices. You'd come out and the place was mostly full,
you know, forty forty five thousand people for a practice.
High school coaches, young college coaches, AAU coaches, and fans.
They'd come. They'd have their notes, and teams would go
through their drills. And what everyone does when you're playing
(04:39):
in a new venue is you shoot at one end,
and then at some point in time you switch and
you shoot at the other end. And then the day
of the game, when you do shoot around the same thing,
you shoot at one end and then you shoot the
other end. And again, I only know this from thirty
(04:59):
five years of experience, thirty five years ago, and I'd
been to college basketball practice before my dad was a
college coach. But in terms of being in that type
of environment, I've it's been thirty five years, so I
have a little bit of experience in this, and everyone
I've been to make sure the coaches always make sure,
hey make sure you shoot at both ends right. Backgrounds
(05:19):
are different, things can feel a little different. You're trying
to get your space shial, especially in domes or even
in arenas. You're trying to get the different what it
feels like so in the women's regional in Portland, Oregon,
they had one three point line that was the men's
three point line and one that's the women's and they
(05:43):
delayed the game and then they decided to stop the game.
They decided to play the game and not stop the game.
One ESPN analyst said the women were courageous for playing,
Like I know, there's a lot of different things that
you call courage playing a basketball game, and the line
when one of the lines is wrong is not courage.
(06:06):
But nonetheless, it was a really bizarre thing. But here's
my question. Obviously it's a screw up, and everyone's gonna
blame the NCAA, and I guess at the end of
the day, they should blame the NCAA, But it's really whoever,
well did the stencil on the court right? And this
thing was done months ago. It wasn't like they just
(06:27):
got it done the day before the tournament and then
still smells like the lacker and they whip it out there. No,
it's been done for a while, so there's all kinds
of checks and balances, and somewhere in the on line,
no one said like, hey, that one doesn't look like
that one. But I want you to think about this
for a second. So they played in Portland yesterday. Yesterday
(06:51):
was a Sunday. The regional semi finals were on Friday.
That means they were all there on Thursday. On Thursday,
eighteen teams practiced on that court. On Friday, eight teams
shot around on that court. That's when you always do
these switching ends, even though you probably didn't practice too
on Saturday. Four teams practice. On Sunday, four teams shot
(07:13):
around and then played. And it wasn't until right before
one of the games that somebody goes, hey, I think
one of the lines is off. I just find that
to be the most stunning thing ever. I can you
buyer you. We've been doing this a long time. And
(07:37):
I heard Van van Chances or something guy's name that
the Texas head coach uh Vick Shaffer. I'm sorry, Vic
Shaffervan chance did Vic Schaeffer is like, you know, only
women's basketball. Like it's kind of like an AAU basketball thing, right,
That kind of stuff happens in AAU. I've seen it
in international basketball or when you go to play an
exhibition game at one of these ballrooms, they lay down
the tape sometimes for three point Ryan and we've seen everything.
(08:01):
But in the NCAA tournament to have eight teams practice,
shoot around and play and no one say anything. Remember
this is the second day they played games. That's the
most stunning part to me, not just that somebody screwed
it up.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
It's it's crazy and this is not in my mind.
Remember a couple of years ago when it was complaining
about the women have their workout rooms in a you know,
like a convention center ballroom in the mess.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Which was a which is a bull argument, by the way,
and I'll but anyway, Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The point being of it doesn't fall under that realm
or fall into that realm because this has always been going.
I mean, you you make the cord to its specifications.
It's not a yeah, it's not a lack of attention
to no satisfying the women's name. It's a basic fundamental
part of the game that they completely messed up.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
No, listen, it's a brand new floor, okay, the women's regional,
just like the men. They get brand new floors. Could
they use the floor that's at the Motive Center, that's
where the Blaziers play. Could they use the Blazier's floor.
Of course they could, but for whatever reason, the NCAA
has mandated that they want these blanket floors to all
look the same, which all of us old school hoopheads
(09:13):
right buy or you're just like this, like this is
why are we doing this? It was so much cooler
when you had the floors that were unique unto themselves. Sure,
everybody like, but the nca is like, no, no, no,
we want our own floors, and they spend it's an
exorbitant cost to have your own floor.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
And one of the things, Doug, one of the things
too was remember they would put stickers on the court
and then you would have problems with that. Yeah, so
I think that also kind of led into the because
they want to have their labels and their logos March
Madness at mid court and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Sure, and then if it's a segment court and they
put the segments in there, it never quite works for
it either. You got to do a whole new floor,
totally get it. But somebody screwed up somebody's that you
had one job and that person should no longer have
that job. You just you can't do it, Like, I
don't know, but the fact that no one saw it
like that part to me is I just talked to
one of the coaches that was there, like I didn't see,
(10:04):
I didn't know. No one said anything. No one said
anything like I don't know. Every time I play basketball,
everyone I know is like that hoops low, that line
looks short. Just amazing to me.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Sorry if I miss this, But who did catch it?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Do we know?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I don't know who officially caught it as one of
the two Texas or NC State. All right, let's get
to let's get to the other part of the women's game,
which is the victimhood. Okay, we don't have to make
it good versus evil. We don't. That probably would sell
(10:47):
more seats, that would get more eyes. But if people
are people don't want to be so. The La Times
had a a commentary column and a guy named Ben
who covers UCLA sports Don't Forgoming You Say Sports, talked
about the matchup between UCLA and LSU, and in it
(11:12):
he labeled LSU as the dirty Debutantes, which I thought
when I heard. When I heard it and then I
read it, I immediately thought of you, Jason Stewart, Do
you know why alliteration I'm like, Jason's gonna love this.
It's clever alliteration. It's it's really clever literation. But what's
(11:35):
happened since is frankly embarrassing to women's basketball. Embarrassing. You
started with the Kim Mulky deal, where she claimed that
there was a what was the She claimed that there
was a piece that was gonna like a take take
her down piece, a hit piece, and it turned out
to be a profile piece. Now, I think it's reasonable
(11:57):
to think that her threats of lawsuits probably made them
take some of the salacious details out right. Very reasonable.
Do you know why, because everyone's scared of the pushback
they're getting for the La Times, which is a commentary
piece which, oh yeah, by the way, like was really
nicely written and pointed out whatever like you can call.
(12:20):
I just thought it was clever alliteration. But then you
got this. Hailey van Litt, who's white talented player, best
player for or leading scorer for Louisville last year, lost
to Iwood in the Elite eight, said this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
We do have a lot of black women on this team.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
We do have a lot of people that are from
different areas, and unfortunately you.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Know that that bias does exist still.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Today, and a lot of the people that are making
those comments are being racist towards my teammates.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
And you know, I'm in a unique.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Situation where I see with myself, you know, I'll talk
trash and I'll get a different reaction than if Angel
talks trash, and so it's really up to me to
you know, it's not up to me, but I have
a duty to my.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Teammates to have their back.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
And obviously, you know, some of the words that we're
using that article were very sad and upsetting, and you know,
I didn't really I actually didn't want us to to
read the article before the game because hearing stuff like that,
it's it's not right, and it's not that type of
description of us isn't always motivating. I think, you know,
(13:35):
calling us basically the dirty debutantes like that's that's that
has nothing to do with sports, and that is not
that's not motivating. And so I think I wish we
hadn't read that, because I think that that can crush
your soul a little bit that someone would ever say
that about us, that doesn't know us. But again, you know, obviously,
(13:58):
in my opinion, I know for a fact that people
see us differently because we do have a lot of
black women on our team who have an attitude and
like to talk trash, and you know, people feel a
way about it. But at the end of the day,
I'm rocking with them because they don't let that change.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Who they are.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, there's a lot to unpack there. First thing is,
in my opinion, it's a fact those two things do
not actually work together. Right in your opinion. You're allowed
to say that if you think that the racial connotations
come into play, But like, are we really is that
what we're doing? This is what we do when when
(14:37):
somebody screws up the court for the NCAA, automatically it's sexism.
Like this all started by the way Dan pointed out
with the San Antonio weight room situation. You guys remember
that this was during the COVID year and again this
is we talked about the time. But it's embarrassing that
(14:58):
no one else in the media actually will pay make
up the phone and call somebody. What was the difference.
Why was the men's weight room so nice and the
women's weight room not nice? It was just like the
shake weight It's like they had like they had. They
had a couple of mats, a shake weight, a couple
other things, right, all those different deals you can buy
(15:18):
on TV. Somebody ordered them and put them in a
weight room. Well, the men had the big ten tournament
there in Indy and then had all the rounds of
the tournament in one place. They were there for a month,
and the organizing committee put in their resoarch too. The
women had just showed up like the day before and
(15:39):
then had the final four and oh yeah, by the way, again,
you have to blame the right people, the organizing committee
for San Antonio, I believe was the city was to
blame there. The people to blame for the court was
whoever put the court together, not the NCAA, not sexism,
not racism. And as for Ben's column, like, I don't
(16:01):
know what world you're looking at, Hailey, but they're talking
about you, not just Angel Reese. Okay, let me be
honest with you. Has Hailey vanly been called Kevin Durant
by anybody in the media because she pulled to Kevin Durant, right,
(16:21):
She lost to Iowa in the Elite eight, I believe,
is that right?
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And then she joined LSU the next year as essentially
a free agent. Now what's not mentioned and in all
of these articles is LSU is doing the same thing
in baseball in women's basketball. They're just buying up talent, which, again,
by the rules, is legal. Okay, whatever your level, whatever
(16:48):
your belief is in how ethical it is, it is fine.
Like I'm not, there is nothing illegal about what they
are doing. Period stop. So don't anybody say I'm I
didn't say they're breaking any rules. Do I think it's
good practice, you know, to recruit off of another team
when you win a national championship and you have good
enough players to win. Like, no, not really. But again,
(17:08):
I'm also not coaching, and I'm also not Kim Mochie
who's trying to cement herself as, in her mind, the
greatest women's coach of all time by winning it multiple
schools and winning multiple titles at LSU. I get it, okay,
but she's like, well, you know we have black women
talking trash. No, you're not understanding. The reason no one
(17:28):
likes you is because one you go buy up a
player from another team after winning a championship, essentially pulling
the Kevin Durant two you'd run your mouth constantly, your
coach is despised, and anytime somebody's critical of you, you
go to the sexism a racism card. I just the
(17:53):
sport is growing, it is healthy, and you're on what
should be by the way, like again this we just
have people don't like ourttitudes. Your own coach suspended Angel
Reese this year because of her attitude. What we are teaching,
frankly women, but we're teaching all young people is there's
(18:14):
zero accountability none. Hey what if we just went out
and won the game and then when the buzzer's over,
we point to the scoreboard, celebrate however you want in
your locker room. Okay, enjoy it, go to a Final four,
win another national championship. But you can't do that. Look.
I like that you're rocking with your teammates. My best
(18:35):
friends are my teammates. I've been texting them all day
long about a bunch of stuff. Brett Robish, Happy birthday
to you, man. You were awesome to play with. But
this people making like could you avoid the word dirty
because dirty and women has a negative, super negative connotation. Yeah,
I get that that's reasonable, But to make it about
(18:58):
racism like, come on, what are we doing? Because what
that means? And I had a lot a long time
ago when John Caliperry, I believe he was at Memphis
before they went play lost in National Championship. It's like
two years before. That group was really young. Maybe it
was the year before. And I was asked on TV
(19:21):
how do you beat Memphis? And I said, hey, they're young.
You got to put them in the half court and
make make them think. And John cal Perry said that's racist.
So I called coach cow and I was like, coach,
what are you talking about? I don't have a racist
bone in my body, that's wh He's like, well, you
know you're critical of my team. My team is all black.
Like I wasn't credivolk of your team. They're black, they're young.
(19:41):
I was like, if you self scouted and you said,
what's the best way to beat your team? He's like,
that's not the point. I go, Actually, that is the point.
My job is to analyze. I was asked how to
beat your team? And did I nail it? He's like yeah,
but no, no, no, no not. But so we got to
stop because what you're doing is your sport is welcoming in.
(20:02):
Lots of people who are just dropping in. Hey, I
want to see this, and you've made yourself the villain.
That's fine, lean into it. You want to talk trash,
that's fine. But if you talk track. Here's the thing.
If you talk trash, not everybody's gonna like it. Lots
of people won't. There's a way to handle yourself like champions.
You haven't and the idea that it's your opinion and
(20:26):
a fact that people are racist because they're pointing out
how unlikable you are. You are not likable. No one
likes you, and it's not because of your basketball. It's
because of how you act and how your coach acts
and how she's treated people along her path. If you
can't accept that, then this is probably not the pool
you should be playing in. This is the adult pool,
(20:51):
and in the adult pool you have to be accountable
for your actions and people are going to be critical
of you. And if you can't play through some of
that critique, especially when it's again, the adult pool's not
for you, go swimming the kiddie pool.
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Speaker 7 (21:32):
Y'all.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Have a good weekend.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Mine was interesting always I've been working for Westwood one.
I was also able to coach little basketball while working
for Westwood one. So thanks to my boss, how we
dinner off over there. That was cool. We just kind
of the timing end up working out. The guys that
made hoops end up working out, and uh uh, I'm
actually taking my group to the Final four. That's gonna
(21:54):
be fun. So I have two basketball teams to coach
and kids to hang out at the Final four. Just uh,
it's just the celebration support. If you haven't been, you
should go. It's really cool. And Phoenix not a great
site for it, just because the arena is not next
to the hotels and everybody spread out and dudes play
golf or whatever. But the weather's really nice. So that
part helps. Uh, I did have this weird thing that
(22:17):
happened this weekend. I wanted to share, and we'll get
to love and hate in a minute.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I was.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
My daughter is a terrific equestrian. She rides horses. She's
gonna ride in college in my own modern ocal mistake,
which is great. And so I hadn't her trainer who
she actually works for. She's a working student, she doesn't
go to traditional high school. Her trainer he been on
the road for like a month, and she's on the
road for like the last two weeks, you know, working
(22:45):
for him. So I just wanted to like, Hey, what's
our plan and what do you where is she and
what do we need to be thinking about and how
do we minimize cost? This stuff is expensive and all
that stuff, right, So I had to be somewhere to
pick up my son like I had. You guys know,
(23:07):
I'm that bad with time, Okay, I'm just am and
I try and do too many things at once. That's
actually my biggest issue. I'm not as bad with time
as much as I always say sure I can do that,
Sure I can do that, Sure I can do that,
and then end up like man everybody gets pinched for time.
So I didn't have anything Saturday morning, so I got
(23:27):
up at a great cup of coffee. Then I went
and got a workout in, and then I was supposed
to meet him at like eleven thirty, and I was
there eleven fifteen. I was somewhere early, new thing for me,
And of course the gentleman I was meeting with, he
was running a little bit late. And if you know,
in the best southern California this weekend, it rained and
rained and rained, so it's muddy. We end up meeting.
(23:49):
I leave at the proper amount of time. I left
at twelve ten. I needed to be somewhere that was
twenty minutes away at twelve forty five. That's pretty good
time management, right, And I'm pulling out and where their
barn is, there's train tracks and the arm was down
in the train for the train, but no train was coming.
I'm like, all right, help minutes, we'll get through. Help minutes.
(24:12):
Couple more minutes, go, moremnus go, more minutes, huge line
of cars, and it dawns on me that the arms
are down but no train is coming. People are turning
around and there's another exit, but that exit also blocked
by the arms being down. Now it's like twenty five
minutes that I'm freaking out. I actually called one one
and they're like nine one. What's the emergency of? Like,
(24:33):
I don't know if I'm calling the right place, but
the arm for the trains is down in san Juai
capistran on. I can't literally no other way out. I'm like, dude,
I can't. I won't be able to do my Westward
one stuff. I won't be able to coach my kid.
My kids give me, wait me to pick them up.
Like I'm completely screwed. It was the most helpless feeling
I've ever had. Anyway, that was my weekend. I mean
I had other stuff too. Go on, uh, Jay Stu,
(24:56):
you had an interesting weekend as you went down a
rabbit hole, right.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah, I mean you referred to it in the first
segment of the show. It's the whole controversy with the
Kim Maulky thing in the La Times and Ben Bolts
and stuff. So I wake up and I start listening
to what Malke was saying, like this La Times stuff,
it's despicable, it's sexist, and she's like, you should google
(25:20):
dirty Debutantes and you will be disgusted just like I am.
And I did that. I followed her advice and I
googled Dirty Debutantes and what I found was that it's
a a longtime pornographic series, so once you google it,
it's not safe for work or in the household with
the kids. Whatever. Okay, so that's one thing. But then
(25:41):
I went to Urban Dictionary and then read the Urban
Dictionary slang term for Dirty Debutantes, and it's it's pretty horrific.
I mean we're talking about and it's, yeah, it's very
racially descriptive as well. I should have screenshoted that that
that definition, because as we're talking about it today, I
go back to reference it, knowing we had talked about
(26:04):
this today and someone erased it. Someone erased the Urban
Dictionary definition that Malky asked us to go look up.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So in my mind that really the Urban Dictionary thing.
Did somebody plant that after they like I'd never heard
any of that stuff?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Oh yeah, well, I mean I just it was right
after she said google it. So who knows the timeline
on this, But I was thinking, at the very least
Ben Bolch and the La Times editors who read that
story were guilty of not knowing the slang version of
that description.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I think they got I think I agree with you.
I didn't know the slang version of the description. I
just thought it was clever alliteration. And of all people
that love clever alliteration, you're number one.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I loved that. Yeah, I'm a big fan of that.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Right, I had no idea anything weird happen to you there,
Dan Buyer over the weekend?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Weird? No, nothing Weirdly.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
A rabbit hole where you're googling something and getting caught
in porn sites, I'd say that's kind of weird. That's
that's a weird not something you expected to do on
a Saturday, right, Yeah, Jay.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
That's true. I mean it's usually a Wednesday night.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Gating caught a quotes.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Let's get to love it hate.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
What did you love?
Speaker 7 (27:20):
God?
Speaker 5 (27:20):
I love you?
Speaker 8 (27:21):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Meet these player hays?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
All right, dere uh what we love for the weekend.
Let's start with Dan Bayer. Love coming from the from Dan.
What do you got Danny?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
You know, Doug, this past weekend was an interesting one.
I usually don't like to get personal on the air,
but uh, It's been a quite a time with my
father in law for the past month and a half
or so. And on Saturday, after a month in the
ICU and then more time in a hospital, he was
discharged from the hospital. Yeah, on satur So is that
(27:58):
at a at a rehab facilit Yes, but from Super
Bowl Sunday until this past Saturday he's been hospitalized. So
Saturday was a big day in the household, so that
our father in law is is on the mend. So
that was that was a huge thing that we loved
(28:19):
in the household.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Awesome good up following that one, Sam, what do you got?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I love the makeup of this final four. I know
you've already touched on this in the show and in
the bonus pot, but I love it when story like
Purdue and Iowa had this same and of course I
got to get Iowa into this somehow had this same
drought in the Final four nineteen eighty So for me,
it's like I look at them and I kind of
empathize a little bit and they're in the final four.
(28:46):
You got NC State first final four since that year
they won it all Jim Valvano nineteen eighty three. So
there's a forty one year gap there, Alabama never been there,
and of course you got to have your supervillain, roll
damned Tad, which is Yu Konnen. I don't empathize Taddy
Alabama being a having a rich football history oldamn tadd Yeah,
(29:06):
roll damn Tad, I don't. I don't empathize with them
as much. But it is still cool to get to
your first Final four ever ever, and then for a
couple of the teams to be forty more than forty
years and of course Yukon has to be there as
the villain in the death Star UH to try to
take out. So I love this Final four. The makeup,
the mix of it is great, great storylines. Love it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Chase two.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Dodgers took three or four from the Cardinals in the
opening weekend of the season. And that's not a big
deal because the Cardinals suck. But I will say this,
Shoho Tani led the major leagues in baseball all of
last season and he did not hit one home run
this this this weekend, he's over for I think twenty
six at bats no home runs.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
What are the odds?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
He's won every eleven last year, so the odds would
be exactly two out of twenty six. Now here's the
cool thing. Guess who leads the majors in baseball? What
team home runs? The Dodgers lead the team in baseball
with home runs, with shohel Tani having zero. That's scary, gentlemen,
(30:12):
that is scary.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Frightening, frightening. Mookie man, hot, Mookie bets. Why you show
his favorite teammate?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You know, I do have to say and the love thing.
I'm surprised Jason did not mention. Uh, unless you don't
want me to jinx it, Jason, I don't want to
jinx it.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
No, no, you can mention it. It's great.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Jason is alive in a survivor pool for the NCAA tournament.
This is wild and in fact the crazy. I seventy
of you are left? Is that right?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Seven six six active entries out of nineteen seventy two. Okay,
nineteen hundred and seventy two.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Do you have Yukon left or do you have perdue left?
I have perdue left and that's it.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Wait, so can you pick them for both games?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Nope? So my pool is gonna end at the final four.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh, pick perdue.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
But if all six people end at the final four,
I'm splitting a ton of money six ways how much?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
How much money is a ton of money?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Thirty some one thousand, I don't know, eighteen thousand.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well, thirty eighteen thousand, there's a big there's twelve thousand
dollars difference between the two.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, winner gets like around seven grand. And so then
if you combine the two, like like Rick Neuheisel, Yeah,
for ten dollars.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
That's the crazy thing, ten dollars.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
The other crazy thing is of the seven finalists, I
know two of them because my other buddy is one
of the seven alongside Jason. So this is like I
know like thirty three percent of the pools that are
that are alive. It's crazy, it's and these things are difficult, right.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Dan was handed a gut punch, by the way, because
Houston's going to be my hate.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, it's gonna be my hate.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Let's go to Hey.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, I didn't really do love, but I liked you
A little love this weekend. I a little love this weekend. Also,
I watched Dune last night, just this. I really liked it.
It took me a while to figure out what the
hell I was watching because I never read the books,
but I enjoyed it a great deal. Watching my daughter
Harper because we all want to watch Dune too, but
we can't watch Doon two.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
I liked it. I liked it too as good.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Anyway, what I loved about this weekend was I love
that Alabama advanced playing Everybody says analytic basketball where you
shoot threes and only get to the room with layups,
But it's how they do it and how program they are,
and how everyone knows on their team, knows where they're
(32:44):
supposed to be, what they're supposed to be doing. It's
it's just beautiful. I truly enjoy really well played, fun,
up tempo offensive basketball. I don't enjoy. I respect what
Purdue does. I respect how NC State has gotten to
the Final four. I respect how Yukon though they they
play a lot very European style. But I love the
(33:05):
way Alabama plays, like if you want to know how
I want my my my teams to play as a coach,
as a player, as a fan, that's how love that.
Let's get the hate, Dan, I'm sorry. I'm gonna have
to go to Jay stew first. He just has a
lot of hate in his All right, you don't have
that natural amount of hate he does. He oozes with it,
(33:25):
so let's let him get it out. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
What's NC State's big man's name?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
DJ Burns.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
DJ Burns never heard of him until I don't know,
a couple weeks ago. Personally, I know you guys of him.
I guess he's a sixth year college basketballa.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
He red shirted at Tennessee, then a couple of years
at Winthrop, which is in the hometown of rock Hill,
South Carolina, and then this is his second year at
North Carolina State.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
And he's not who I hate. In fact, I really
love him. He and his social media are great. He
looks like a huge personality and that's awesome. What I
hate is what the media has done with his story
instead of just appreciate what he's done and how far
he's gotten and how he's like the biggest personality in
the tournament, we have to think about what's next. So
(34:12):
I guess he's not good enough to be in the NBA.
I guess he doesn't have what it takes. But then,
like Peter Schrager went on with like an April Fool's
joke tweet, today saying that Scouts. He's talked to Scouts
and they're interested in bringing him in as a possible
tight end or something. Everyone fell for it. Everyone fell
for it. So it's like the media just can't appreciate
(34:35):
something being cool right now. They need to be like,
what is he gonna do next? He's good to play football?
And by the way, that's an insult to pro football players.
The kid hasn't played since it was in eighth grade.
He hasn't played football. That's an insult to them as well.
So I hated that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
You have to play some sub of football I think
to make the transition work. But I agree with the
premise of we have to always have to find out
what's we'll do it this week? Well kind of prosy
gonna be? What kind of prosy gonna be? We do
with Zach Edy instead of going like, man, he's like
the most dominant college player we've had a long time.
Dan Byer some you hate from the weekend?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, I hated the Jamal Shed injury because it knocked
me out of the UH survivor pool this past weekend
and ended any hope because they would have won that
game if Jamal Shed is healthy. But when he wasn't,
there was no way they were gonna win that game.
I don't care if they had a chance to tie
it at the buzzer, it was not going to happen.
(35:31):
It was not in the cards for Houston. So that
ended up ruining my basketball weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I'm gonna just say this. I believe that the sign
of a program that's made it is actually an injury
like this. Here's what I mean. They've been to a
Final four, They've had a collapse against Michigan, and now
they've had an injury. Think about Perdue's had Robbi Hummel
got hurt. Back when Butler went to the National Championship game,
Perdue might have been the best team. Robbi Hummel got hurt.
(35:57):
And then they had Isaac Host got hurt one year
when they were one of the best teams as well.
Duke's had injuries, you know, Zion injury at times. Kyrie
got hurt in Kyrie's year. You look at all these programs,
they've all had one of those. So I agree with you.
I hated it too, for the kid and for your pool.
Sorry you didn't make all that money. That would have
been really good. Uh, but I do think it's actually
(36:18):
a sign of something good to come, because you have
to go through that in or to get there, Sam kinsel.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Kinsley but close. That's all right, so everyone, that's all
the telemarketers sayd I uh, I don't hate LSU, but
I hate the fact that I allowed.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
To hate LSU well a year. So let's hold on,
let's just do this. Okay. I'm sorry if it bothers you.
If you're a women's basketball fan, no, but when you've
made it as a sport, is when people hate you. Yeah, okay,
everybody hates Duke. Duke loses, people celebrate it just shows
that Duke has made it. I just want people to
understand that if you want to play in the big, big,
(36:55):
big person pool, that that's some of the stuff that
comes with the big go ahead. You hateed LSU.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
No, but I was trying to set the context here. Fine.
My contempt for LSU has been going for about a
year now. Ever since that title game. I hate the
fact that Iowa has has to play them again to
get back to the Final four. I hate that it's
on a Monday today, and I hate that it's at
four o'clock Pacific.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Time.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I got a rush home, and I'm going to miss
the first fifteen minutes of the game. I hate the day.
I hate the time. Now I'm going to my buddy's house.
He's and we'll cast it to his TV. But I'm
going to miss the beginning of it. I hate the day,
I hate the time, and I hate the fact that LSU,
who's basically Iowa's adversary you know out there in the
media world for the last year, they have to play
them to get back to the Final four. And I
(37:38):
always feel like, you know, a team like LSU, Doug,
you said it in a break, they have superior talent.
So it's gonna be very hard for like against South
Carolina last year, I would got some good calls in
their favor. That's really the I think the only way
they're gonna beat LSU is they get the refs on
their side. So that's that's left for the conspiracy theory
people to talk about the Cat and Clark bias. But
(37:59):
they're gonna need some help because it's gonna be tough
because they got they got the length. LSU's got the length.
That's what I hate.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Okay, I hated that clown show that's such a distraction
with the mismatch three point lines, like, I A, how
does that happen? I just I hate it for everybody involved,
(38:26):
because it makes it look makes the NCAA tournament looks
like clowns, makes the women's tournament look like clowns. You know,
makes viewers look, wait, I saw that. I thought something
was weird. Something was weird. So yeah, I just hated
that because it took away from watching the games and
(38:48):
list of the games, because all I could figure is
like all the different layers to how does this happen?
I couldn't figure.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Very distracting. I mean, yeah, the stuff like that just
shouldn't happen. It should be if the fun mentally sound,
that the court is set and ready to go with
all the proper dimensions.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
One would think, one would think, one would think, And
that is love and hate.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
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Speaker 1 (39:23):
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Speaker 4 (39:39):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Stadium also is over the air and you can get
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with the Jeff joins me now here on the Doug
Gotlib Show on Foxsports Radio. If I were to tell
you before the tournament began, these would be our four
teams in the final four, what would your reaction be?
Speaker 7 (40:00):
All Right, So you and I've talked about this for
a while that I said, like, I'm not going to
be surprised if we got a couple, you know, people
coming to the party that we didn't expect. Now, did
I think it would be NC State? Hell No, I
thought it would be maybe more of like an FAU type,
more of a mid major E type. But I'm not
that shocked because again, we're dealing in an era where
(40:23):
you have nil, you've got those distractions, you have the
extra COVID year. Think about this with NC State, not
one player on their team right now started their career
at NC State. Every guy that's playing right now for
NC State started somewhere else. Dj Burns is in his
six year at college, six years, started red shirt at
(40:44):
Tennessee three, it went through a second year right now
at NC State, so they are old. That helps Alabama.
Three mid major transfers, three guys Mark Sears, Aeron Estrada,
Brand Nelson. Their best three players are mid majors for
up guys. So you knew there was going to be
something wacky. I just didn't think it would be. Honestly,
(41:06):
Enchi State, like Alabama, I didn't think they'd get there.
But it's not like super shocking. So yeah, I mean again,
I'm surprised at who it is. I'm not surprised the
fact that there were a couple shockers get into the
final four.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
What losing coach were? You most surprised by how they
coached this weekend?
Speaker 7 (41:32):
Shire Tire yesterday Shire just the fact that he didn't
double Dj Burns like it just their offense was so
got awful. And again when you look at their team
and you're like, okay, they got two first round picks.
Now again, Tyreese Proctor shouldn't be allowed to go pro
after that performance stuck like there should be like some
(41:54):
sort of rule that you have to score in your
last game or you're not allowed to go pro Seriously.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
It was bad.
Speaker 7 (42:07):
It was awful.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
It was the opposite of good.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
Sure, Philipowski wasn't very good, you know, like like their offense,
I don't know what was worse. Was their offense worse
or their defense? It was and they were so lucky
just to get there. The only reason they got there,
let's face it, and I've said it to you, like,
was because Shed got hurt. Otherwise Houston would have beaten them.
(42:29):
And I think Houston, I don't know, Houston probably would
be in the Final four right now if Jamal Shed
doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
No question, no question. Okay, you kun like that you
were there and look they're basically playing a home game
and Klingon was amazing and the crowd was incredible, and
(42:55):
you know, Danny Is is eating it all up. What
do you think the perception like, I'm interested if I'm
interested if the act because he admitted like, hey, our
fans are of not just on social He's like, hey,
I can be a little bit of it. I can
be an a hole. Like he totally understands all this stuff,
(43:18):
which is great, But how do you think they're perceived nationally,
not in the basketball world, in the fan world.
Speaker 7 (43:28):
Yeah, I mean I think again, most people, if you know,
if you're a real fan of college basketball, they probably
do not like Dan Hurley. And Dan Hurley is fine
with that. In fact, he loves it. He that's what
motivates him. He wants that. Like he literally after the game,
you saw me and the first thing he says to me,
(43:50):
he looks at me and goes, you picked up for
you And I'm like, no, I didn't. But if that
makes you feel better about yourself, and if that could
drive you and motivate you, sure I picked that. Fau
Dan Like, that's how he is, Doug. He's out of
his frigging mind. I played a game with all the
players the day before on the podium. I said, hey, guys,
(44:13):
let's play a game. We're gonna do kind of a
word association with Dan Hurley. One word to describe him.
You can't say the same word as everybody else. I said,
I'm must start, and I said lunatic and they all
kind of laughed, right, and then they kind of they
were very nice, you know, competitive winner whatever. The five players.
(44:34):
But he is a lunatic Doug and he embraces it.
And if you get him, get him. Get his wife
Andrea talking about him, because she will tell some stories. Man,
he told she told me a story. He blew out
his slipper. She packs two slippers for him for all
the trips because he won't walk on hotel floors in
(44:55):
his bare feet, so she brought two slippers. He blew
out one of his slippers. And this is before the
San Diego State camp and the backup slipper was black,
and he didn't want to wear it. Wouldn't wear it
because it's the same color Goo State's uniforms. So this
dude is out of his mind. But I kind of
(45:18):
love it. I do love it.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, I do too. I Mean it's it's like I
would call it basketball crazy. That's possible, right, It's not
like crazy, like muttering to yourself on a street corner.
It's like basketball crazy. And that's that's the people we
love and we operate around. Is the world ready for
Donovan clinging versus Zach Edy in a chapwichhip game?
Speaker 7 (45:43):
We're ready for it, aren't we now? Again, It's funny
because the world was ready for it ten years ago, right,
ten years ago, that happens. Everybody's excited. Now you're going
to get like half the country excited and the other
half going like, we don't want to see this. It's
two big, you know, plotting big guys, and they're not
(46:03):
really plotting, they're they're huge. And it's crazy because stud like,
you know how this is. It seems like Julia Lukafor
was taken high in the NBA draft. All these big guys.
It's changed. But now two things with this year that
that can get Zach Edy and Donovan Cleing and both
(46:23):
drafted in the first round and maybe even the lottery
is one. The big man has kind of made its
way back into the NBA a little bit, right. I mean,
obviously you see Jo Kitchen. They're at different level, we
know that, but but you see some really good bigs
and two of the draft stinks. This year stinks the
worst it's ever been ever.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
It's not it's not good, which means now we have
to wait on all these guys saying they're going to
the draft before they ultimately go to the portal. Right,
that's that's ultimately.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
Maybe they won't go to the portal because the drafts
so bad. Maybe a lot of them won't.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
No, I know, but it's it's like a waiting game,
and it's gonna be.
Speaker 7 (46:58):
Like Johnny Furfy. If you're Johnny Furphy, you need to
come back Tyre's proctor again, couldn't be eligible. But if
you're Tyree's proctor, the more you if you come back again,
you could really get exposed in another year, right your
junior year, you don't, you don't get better. You could
be exposed and fall out of the first round completely.
Where there's still a good chance in this year's draft, Doug,
(47:19):
somebody takes a flyer on Tyre's proctor late in the
first round.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
It's a great it's a great point. I don't know.
I think it'd be fascinating to see what happens. Fascinating
to see what happens in the draft. And then again,
somebody is going to pull out last second, and then
then they'll go to the portal, and we think, and
and then and then where do they go? Lad addition,
last last thing and this is a this is one
that we hadn't discussed. Okay, Cooper flag is going to
(47:46):
Duke next year.
Speaker 7 (47:47):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Think Shire's really good. I didn't think they had a
good day yesterday. What level of pressure is on Shire
for next year?
Speaker 7 (47:56):
A lot, a lot with Cooper Flagg because again, this
is this guy all of college basketball. He's going to
be about Cooper flag next year. Like that's all anybody
you know, you know how ESPN preseason they I've been
in those meetings, you've been in They're like, all right,
what's our big storyline. What's the big storyline that we're
going to try to get college basketball to be really
(48:17):
relevant in November, December, January. Two words, Cooper Black. That's
what's going to get the sport relevant. So they're going
to build him up like he is Larry Bird and
he's not. He's not. Now. He's an elite passer, he's
an elite shot blocker. He's a really good athlete. For
(48:37):
those that don't know, you know, he's got the size
in the body of Larry Bird, you know, six eight
sixty nine coming out of Maine. Not a great shooter yet,
but can pass it, can handle it. He's super fun
to watch. But he's so unique. Yeah, it's going to
put some pressure on it. He's not alone. I mean,
they got kid Isaiah Evans coming in and this big kid,
(49:00):
the Gamba, a big kid. They beat out a bunch
of people for they'll return some guys. I mean again
my question, you do you think Proctor comes back or
no chance?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
I don't. I don't know enough about the kid or whatever.
Speaker 7 (49:13):
But liked he could he come back?
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Of course? Yeah, if he's not a first round pick,
he should absolutely come back. And I don't see him
being a first round pick, but I could. I could
be wrong.
Speaker 7 (49:23):
Yeah, I think somebody takes them in the twenties.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Anyway, somebody takes them the twenties, then he should go
before people figure out he shouldn't go in the twenties exactly.
The show is Goodman versus Gottlieb. You can read him elsewhere,
but do you really?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (49:35):
I on the f Field to sixty eight, which is
really cool. When I don't get cut from it because
they want to tape it early. It's an awesome, awesome podcast.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
You don't get back to us quick enough, so when
we schedule a lot of times.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
I need a quick thank you, Jeff, thank you, thank you, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
No no, no no.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
I love that you're exposing no f.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Both of you, because he sends me three weeks in advance.
And I don't know three weeks in advance because I
don't I don't know a lot of things about my nighttime.
Speaker 7 (50:02):
Doug doesn't know. Hey, Doug doesn't know where he's going
to be five minutes from now, what he's going to
be doing, never mind three weeks.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Thanks Jeff, Talk soon later.
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