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September 30, 2024 43 mins

On a Monday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Ravens' win over the Bills Sunday night and explains why he still is not sold on MVP Lamar Jackson. 

Doug welcomes former NFL player and FSR host Rich Ohrnberger onto the show to talk about the Bucs, Aaron Rodgers and all of the other major topics around the NFL. 

Doug and the crew explain why they loved most and hated most in today's version of "Love AND Hate".

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:44):
not not really what you know, the level of NFL games.
Dan Buyer talks about this. I'm Stu and and look,
I'm Jason. Stewart's in there, nod his head and he's
going Zeropa, Zeropa, Zeropa, Which of course is the album
that you two put out there that we all or

(01:05):
many people bought. I didn't buy it, maybe well bought
because it's you two, even though it wasn't until normal
quality of the previous U two albums, which is what
we're talking about with the NFL. Hey, this is not
the normal quality of the NFL. I just think, Look,
this weekend was kind of a mismatched weekend. And here's
what happens when you have all of these different made

(01:29):
standalone TV games. You know, it goes, it goes in
in order. I'm guessing that Amazon probably had the first
pick this week. I don't know that. I would say
it's very likely though, Cowboys versus the Giants. The Cowboys
are ratings wise, you know, that's the biggest straw in
the NFL, and New York obviously is the biggest market

(01:51):
in the country, so that would make sense that would
be one. And then the second pick has got to
be Sunday Night Football. That was the Ravens and the Bills,
which wasn't nearly as compelling a game as it looked
like it was gonna be. And then I guess MONEYNT Football,
though it may have been Fox or CBS for one
of the other games as well. And then you have
Money Night Football. But again, because tonight you look at

(02:12):
the games and previous to actually seeing them play and
knowing how good they are, you know, I don't know.
I don't think it's as terrible a matchup as it looks.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
You have Miami and Tennessee, Seattle and Detroit. Obviously Seattle
in Detroit right now look like really good teams. Tennessee
nobody thought would be would be great, but I don't
think anybody knew they'd be owing three and the way
in which they've been owing three would turn overs from
the quarterback, and Miami not having Tua changes them dramatically
for the worst as well. But I mean, if we're
just gonna call it, we'd say, yeah, that wasn't a

(02:43):
great week Get a football, right, You still have Chargers
in chiefs, which is a good little rivalry, and as
it did look like previous Chargers games in which they
just no matter how much they were competitive and did
a good job defensively, just too many mistakes offensively. Was
it a great weekend unless you're a Baltimore Raven fan.

(03:05):
Remember they were zero and too now they're two and two,
and they did so with one hundred and ninety nine
yards from Derek Henry. Let's dive in a little bit
of here is this is John Harball, head coach of
the Ravens talking about the team's win.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
We know what's possible, we know what we're capable of,
but we got a long way to go, and we
got a lot of work to do. And we're just
four games in and we got thirteen more regular season
games to play, and where this season goes is going
to be defined by what we do in the next
thirteen games. Plus the leadership on this team is incredible.
Kyle Hamilton's sitting right over there. Okay, young guy taking

(03:42):
the reins. Okay, you know all the other guys. You
know Roe, you know Lamar, you know Mark Andrews, Isaiah
likely other young guys. You got a bunch of great
leaders of this team. We got like Pat McCarry going
from right tackle to left guard like that and playing
the way he did. These are the kind of things
that make a difference.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Like this. This is a good football team. I think
the difference is obviously the offensive line wasn't playing well previously,
and I don't know how well they're playing against the past.
They figured out the run game and Derrick Henry as
as well. I don't think the defense is a dominance
as has been previously, although it was really good last night,
and we're back in kind of the same sort of

(04:21):
thing we always felt like we'd have with Lamar Jackson,
which is, hey, it's really good in the regular season,
will it work to the highest level in the postseason?
And again, we don't know. We don't know. Now, maybe
this is different because if Derrick Henry is healthy, when
you get to the postseason, you don't just have Lamar
Jackson as a runner. You also have Derrick Henry. And

(04:48):
maybe it's we should just be disappointed by the Bills
who look like, hey, maybe they could, maybe they could,
you know, take take the crown as or the throne
as the best team in the AFC based on how
they'd started. And they caught a whooping last night. Here's
Josh Allen sewing up the loss.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
We're not gonna let this again, avalanche. The guys that
we have in this in this building, they're smart, the
guys that played a lot of football in their careers,
so they understand the the ebbs and flows of an
NFL season. And you know this is going to happen
time to time. You know, sometimes you walk into a
building and they were a bus all tonight and they

(05:25):
kicked their button.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
That's that's what it comes down to.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Well, they're in a they're in a run here where
they play the Ravens on the road, the Texans in
the road, the Jets in the road, the Titans at home.
Then they go to the Seahawks. Like that's so the
three notes start was great now at three and one,
but you're staring three and two at maybe three and
three in the eye, we'll see, because the Jets seem
to struggle to to to do the right things as well.

(05:53):
I was trying to figure out this morning if the
story was more the Ravens or the Bills. I thought
the story was more of the Ravens, whereas the Bills.
They just weren't that good last night. And when you
get behind a team that's running the football and running
it as well, and Derek Henry gets momentum, Yeah, I

(06:14):
think it's the Bills. I mean, I think I think
the Ravens of the story, not the Bills. But when
you look at what's ahead of the Bills here in
these next couple weeks, they got to win one of
these next two, you know, because the Chiefs don't seem
to be able to lose games no matter how close
they play them, and Buffalo does have that ability to
play or that you know, the likelihood is you're playing

(06:37):
in terrible weather in Buffalo, and it's not that Josh
Allen you don't want to You want to take away
Josh allen superpowers, but some of these other teams you
want to take away their shop powers. Maybe the interesting
part is that in the AFC, going through Buffalo, Baltimore's
a better has got a better setup for it. You know,
it's like one of those things like, yeah, we want

(06:58):
to get home field avtage unless we play Baltimore, because
running the football, as much as they run the football,
should be the only thing you can do when the
weather is completely and totally terrible. Now, Lamar does fumble
a lot. Maybe that's the thing that holds you back.
But you have Derrick Henry to and he's a guy
that needs momentum. He needs he needs thirty carries to

(07:19):
break one, break two run for one hundred ninety nine. Yesterday,
I don't know, God, I mean, Lamar was so bad
the first couple of weeks, and it wasn't he was
great last week, this week or even last week. But
he's been much better been much better. I can't wait
to get the love. We probably should have started the
show Jase two on Love and Hate the weekend, because

(07:40):
there's so many things I love and so many things
I hated that maybe I hate the fact that my
brain is in fifty million places. Because you had the
Alabama Georgia game, which was a complete blowout until it
wasn't and then it was wild Oklahoma Auburn wild. You
do have different little pieces of these NFL games which
are interesting, including Aaron Rodgers really going right back at

(08:02):
his coach like that. One's interesting. To Kevin m tumble
died today. Was he sick? He had brain cancer. There's
there's lots of really good human beings, so I don't
want to say he's the best human being to be
a philanthropist, but in terms of bringing attention and bringing

(08:25):
a sport that he played back to his home country,
like I I cannot think of a guy who you
would definitely put above that of to Kevin mc tumble
on the list of good dudes right in terms of
for humanity and doing the right thing, like he's on
anybody's list. Terribly sad story. All right, let's get back

(08:47):
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(09:07):
be I'm still not a big Lamar guy in the playoffs.
I'm just not. But they last year they tried giving
him more of a pro passing game. It didn't work.
In the playoffs. This year, it feels like, all right,
let's just lean into who we are. We can run
it with Derek Henry, we can run it with other guys.
We can run it with Lamar Jackson. Occasionally we can

(09:28):
hit you with a deep ball as well. And that
formula has worked these past two weeks against two those
are both two playoff teams. Beat the Cowboys in the road,
you beat the you beat the pants out of the
beat the pants off the Bills at home, and you
look like a team that can do something. But this
is their style, and it's interesting. You know, it was

(09:50):
Zone Reid stuff is first couple of years and Greg
Roman's offense, and then last year they tried to spread
it out and throw it more, and this year they're like, eh,
we'll throw it, but we'll also really brought it.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
This is the best of the Don dot Lead Show
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Speaker 1 (10:10):
Doug Gottlib Show Fox Sports Radio. A lot of things
they want to get to in regards to the NFL,
I mean, just kind of some weird outcomes as well.
And that's really the other part. Like the games weren't
crazy compelling yesterday, I didn't think I watched all of them. Obviously,
Indies win with Joe Flacco was interesting. Atlanta surviving New

(10:34):
Orleans and Orleans. It looked like world beaters the first
two weeks this season. Now they're they're at at two
and two after another another couple losses. The Bears escape,
the Rams. Rams keep fighting despite the fact they're incredibly depleted.
Probably the most surprising was Denver's win over the Jets.
But it's not like they're getting great quarterback play. We
got to talk about the Eagles falling on their face

(10:56):
in Tampa and oh yeah. By the way, what Tom
Brady said about what Baker Mayfield said, you know, it
can help us with that. Rich Ornberger can help us
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(11:17):
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All right, I want I want to ask you about Brady.
I'm sure you've heard this by now. This was Baker
Mayfield in the podcast. Going back to last week.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
The building was a little bit different with Tom in there. Obviously,
playing wise, Tom was different. He had everybody dialed in
high strong environments, so I think everybody's pretty stressed out.
So they wanted me to come in and be myself,
you know, bring the joy back to football a little
bit for guys that weren't having as much fun.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Okay, and then here's Tom Brady on the broadcast quote.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
They wanted me to come in, be myself, bring the
joy back to football for.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
Guys, I weren't having as much fun.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
It's funny because you've made this environment for me very
stressful up here in the booths, Like, I understand where
it's coming from.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Do you feel.

Speaker 8 (12:09):
Well?

Speaker 9 (12:09):
I was going to say, I thought stressful was not
having Super Bowl rings. So there was a mindset of
a champion that I took for work every day.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
This wasn't daycare.

Speaker 9 (12:21):
If I wanted have fun, I was going to go
to Disneyland with my kids.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
Great as you were saying, go ahead, that's you feel like.
I feel like there's more in there to say.

Speaker 9 (12:33):
There's a way to approach this game, and it's that
with the with the right mindset and try to push
each other outside of our comfort zone.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
And great teammates do that.

Speaker 8 (12:41):
You come in.

Speaker 9 (12:42):
I have someone like Gronkowska, I have someone like Evans.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
There's high expectations for us.

Speaker 9 (12:47):
We got to make sure we go out there and deliver.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
The competitive juice is still flowing still in there.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
I love no apologies, Limburg, would you, I mean it's
your former teammate, what'd you think when you heard that
back and forth.

Speaker 8 (13:00):
I agree with Tom Brady. Look, I mean, there are
a lot of professions where you can show up every
day and make the best of it and have a
ton of fun. I think we happen to work in
one of them. I think broadcasting is what you make
of it. I'm sure to a certain extent there's other,
maybe lower stakes professions that you could make that same argument.

(13:25):
I mean, I know that you know children's education is
on the line, but I had teachers who made the
classroom environment fun. It wasn't so strict, it wasn't so stressful,
and I think you can get away with that in
certain professions. In football, I mean, there's definitely the way
to go about it where you're having a ton of
fun and the results may vary. And then there's the

(13:49):
way that Tom Brady was sort of raised in the
NFL doing it where everybody walked on eggshells every day
in New England. With the success that he helped start
in New England and carry on for two decades is
the reason why he was recruited in free agency by
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and an enormous reason why they

(14:11):
were able to net a Super Bowl championship while he
was their starting quarterback. I agree with Tom. Looks work,
it's not always going to be fun in a high
stakes environment. You know, you work on Wall Street or
if you have a job, you know where lives are
on the line. You know where it's fight stressed and
you know human lives weigh in the balance. Maybe you

(14:33):
know a first responder and member of the military. I mean,
mistakes can be super consequential, and much more so than
in the game of football. But in the game of football,
I mean we've seen this a million times over. Mistakes
are highly amplified. And it doesn't matter at what point
in the season because we can rewind back the week four,

(14:55):
week five, you know, earlier in the season to see
wind stop them started, or when certain trends began, and
those can be damaging trends at the end of the year.
And Tom Brady always tried to nip those at the
bud and tried to be a champion every single day.
And yeah, maybe that rubbed some people the wrong way,

(15:16):
Maybe that created a stressful work environment, but you cannot
argue with the success that he had over his marvelous career.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
No, you definitely can't. Let's talk about that game for
a second again. What's wrong with the Phildelphi Eagles.

Speaker 8 (15:32):
Well, I'll tell you what. Defensively, what Levante David was
able to do, you know, from the linebacker position was unbelievable.
He had one of his finest games in recent memory.
I think the Buccaneers also, you know, that was on
the defensive side for the Bucks. Offensively, they took advantage
of the Philadelphia Eagles defense. They like to play that

(15:55):
coverage shell, kind of that Stoff covered shell. They don't
want to give up the big play, so they got
nickel and dimed all the way down the field and
they could not find the answers. Offensively, I think the
Eagles are obviously hurt. You know, they were operating without
their star tackle Lane Johnson. They're star wide receivers aj

(16:18):
Brown and Devonte Smith, and they look like they kind
of didn't get off the bus, getting out gained by
almost two Ordred yards in the first quarter. But there's
some serious issues in Philadelphia in terms of the culture.
It feels like there obviously was maybe an issue at
the end of the season last year with Nick Sirianni.

(16:41):
How the messaging was being received by the players down
the stretch of the season losing six straight games, because
it feels like there's been a little bit of a
hangover since they appeared in the Super Bowl and now
all those those those chickens have come to roost. You
know it, This does not feel like the same team

(17:04):
it felt like when they were on that tear and
made it all the way to the final game of
the season and lost to the Chiefs. Culturally, it's fallen apart,
and I mean, the easiest look is to see the
brain drain when Shane Steiken took the Indianapolis Colt job
and Jonathan Gannon took the Arizona Cardinals job, because they

(17:26):
haven't looked the same since.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
No, they have not looked close to the same.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I get.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It's a great story. Joe blackho comes in saves the day.
But where are we on Anthony Richardson and his development
as a quarterback?

Speaker 8 (17:41):
Your most important ability in the NFL is your availability,
So he's not going to develop if he can't play.
And as exciting of a player as he is when
he's on the field, it is a concerning trend when
you can't keep healthy in this league, and you're owed
and paid as much money as Anthony Richardson has been

(18:04):
paid and what he's owed and how little production there's been.
But now it's two straight seasons where his understudy has
had to come into the game and make it right.
And Joe Flacco is no slouch. We've seen him do
this before in the past. Obviously last year with the Browns,
he jumped right in there, scored a touchdown immediately almost

(18:25):
through for two hundred yards, and it was a mix
of some short throws and some de throws that we've
all kind of embraced throughout the course of his career
that he is going to gamble sometimes and sometimes that's
going to come up short. We saw that in the
postseason last year with the Browns. But man, he's got
great arm strength, he's got great football IQ. He anticipates things,

(18:46):
and even though he's been with the Colts for a
shorter time than Anthony Richardson, I felt like that offense
looked more calm and composed with him under center and
frankly with Gardner Minshew under sent than it has at
any point with Anthony Richardson. So, like I said, this
all stems back to his availability. You got to be

(19:07):
able to stay on the field so that you can
earn those reps so that you can continue growing as
a quarterback. Otherwise, here, within the next call it sixteen
games or so, the Colts are going to have to
make a decision, you know, And I'm saying sixteen because
this will probably leach over into next year to see
if he's viable. But this is exactly what happened with

(19:30):
Trey Lance and the San Francisco forty nine ers. He
couldn't stay healthy, he couldn't stay on the field, so
they had to move on from him, and that could
be the story with the Colts and Anthony richardson.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Stug Gotlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, rich Orenberger
is in fact our guest. Last two games, nobody can
tackle Derrick Henry. First couple of games felt like Lamar
Jackson's accuracy was in question. It hasn't been nearly as
big an issue because no one's been able to stop
Derrick Henry. Is this a recipe for success in the
postseason for Baltimore?

Speaker 8 (20:03):
It is, but it's all incumbent upon their run game.
So the Baltimore Ravens are one of the greatest front
running teams in the league and in recent memory. This
is a team that is built to play with the lead.
So when you from your first play from scrimmage can
rattle off an eighty seven yard touchdown run and play

(20:24):
with the comfy lead for the rest of the night,
you're going to look like world beaters. You're going to
take any team to task. And we saw that against
a very talented Bills team and also much improved Baltimore
Ravens defense. We got to give credit there because they
were able to hem up with the Bills we're doing, which,
by the way, the Bills had to play a little
bit more one dimensional than they like to play because

(20:45):
they were trailing during this game, and they were trailing
big at times. So that definitely takes away some of
the things available to you as an offense as a
game progresses. But the Baltimore Ravens, they want to play bullyball.
They want to put the ball in the ground, they
want to throw the ball close to the line of scrimmage,
they want to throw the ball over the middle, and

(21:05):
all that becomes easier when coverage starts creeping up closer
and closer line of scrimmage to handle the biggest issues,
which are Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson in the run game.
As long as they stay out as situations where they're
trailing by seven points in the second half, where they're
trailing by two scores in the first half, then this
is what the Baltimore Ravens are going to look like

(21:26):
because they're built to play with the lead. But if
they get behind, man, you can't trust Lamar Jackson in
those situations because he struggles to throw the football deep
down the field and he's always struggled throwing the football
out towards the sideline. Then they issue with the Ravens
every time they get to the postseason. And that's the
reason why Lamar Jackson has struggled in the postseason because

(21:48):
when the game's in his hands and he needs to
play from behind, he oftentimes struggles to deliver in those moments.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, and Derek Henry has been great either he wears
down as the season goes on and seemly becomes stop bulls. Well,
it's going to be fascinating thing to look at. Rich
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(22:48):
got love it. Hey we got a little Monday night
matchup tonight. We have two matchups. I like it. I mean,
I understand that if you have a really really good
game and then you have another game you like, it
can be distracting. But let's be honest, neither of these
last week the games one was good, one was not.
It was easy. This week I had one game. I

(23:09):
just I can't see myself paying much attention to Miami
and Tennessee. Yeah, I just it's more football. The only
thing you get is you get a little bit more
of a watered down Sunday, but not much so without
further ado, what we do is we gather all of
our emotions and information from the weekend and we bring

(23:32):
it to you. We'll love and hate. What did you love? God?
I love you? And what did you hate? These player?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Hay is.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, Let's start with you, Monci. I know you worked
this weekend. You paid attention to do it all, especially
to baseball. Tell them what you loved.

Speaker 10 (23:50):
I'm gonna tell you what I love, and it has
something to do with sports. Is something I did this
weekend at spooky season Halloween. I love Halloween. I love
getting scared. The scarier the better.

Speaker 11 (24:00):
Am I going to have a nightmare? I love it?
Are you?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I don't.

Speaker 10 (24:02):
I was gonna say, can I pee my pants? I
don't know if I can say that?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
But you get what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 10 (24:06):
I I'll allow it because it's scarier the better, The
scarier the better, is what I'm saying. So this weekend
I did a thing that I do every year called Delusion.
It's like an interactive haunted experience. So it's like an
hour long and it's a storyline and you are part
of the story. And it was spooky and fun, and

(24:26):
it wasn't the scariest thing.

Speaker 11 (24:28):
But I love this season.

Speaker 10 (24:29):
It's my favorite time and I try and get in
as many things as I can, which is why I
did it this weekend when it's still September, because there's
many things to do every weekend for the month of October.
When it comes to spookiness. And if you're curious what
the story was, it was this doctor whose wife had
recently died and he was using his patients, we were
the patients to try and bring her back, and he
obviously can't. But it was spooky and fun. Loved it,

(24:51):
loved it, So you.

Speaker 7 (24:53):
Just made it obvious to I love it. An entire
workspace of people that you love being scared? Yes, so
do you like if you're walking around the corner you
want to be scared and you love it? Is that
what you're saying?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Sure?

Speaker 10 (25:05):
But it's like, I mean, Mike tries to scare me,
Ryan Smith tries to scare me.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
Mike scares you just being big mic.

Speaker 10 (25:15):
He thinks he's, you know, sneaky, and he is actually
for this thing away from sneaky, so it doesn't work.
Ryan Smith has got me once or twice and then
I like, jump up.

Speaker 7 (25:26):
You're saying big Mike is like a zombie, like so slow,
how could.

Speaker 11 (25:29):
He possibly kill you?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Exactly exactly, Jason Stewart sent me left on the weekend.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
Derrick Henry. I'm going to ask the three of you
to fact check me here, but I don't know what
you guys. Tell me how long that one rush was
for a touchdown last night? If seventy five yards.

Speaker 11 (25:49):
Or it was eighty seven eighty five.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
So I think that was an amazing example of how
gifted this person is. Kyle Brant today said that they
did the math going back to his high school days tackles.
He's been tackled six thousand times. He's thirty years old.
At thirty you typically take a turn for the worse,

(26:16):
but he's as powerful and fast as he's ever been.
At thirty years old, you're not supposed to outrun NFL
defensive backs. But last night, when he got into open space,
DeMar Hamlin and a defensive back I don't know the
name of had an angle on him, and he outran

(26:37):
the angle. Like you're not supposed to do that at
thirty years old and sixty six thousand tackles in like
he's a complete freaking nature. I think this diet went
viral last week. How he has this very restrictive diet
and I don't know how he consumes enough carves or

(26:57):
protein to even be powerful. But he. Uh, whatever this
guy's doing, I think everybody should do it. Amazing.

Speaker 10 (27:05):
No, he probably cut out pizza and sugar.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 11 (27:09):
Definitely not doing that.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
Yeah, he's definitely cutting out those things, but he eats
very little.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh my gosh, you're so funny. It was.

Speaker 12 (27:18):
It was eighty seven yards and man, he looks intimidating
in that uniform too. He is a galloping ghost out
there and he looks fresh and good for him, good
for him, Like, oh yeah, it's great for him.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I am not doing that.

Speaker 11 (27:33):
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 12 (27:34):
Do you guys remember a few weeks ago we kind
of wondered, like who would make it out of the
division into playoff mode, like the Bengals or the Ravens.

Speaker 7 (27:41):
I think it's gonna be the Ravens.

Speaker 12 (27:43):
The Ravens look equipped, they look like they just got
off to a slow start, but they're going to figure
this out.

Speaker 13 (27:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (27:49):
That Raiders loss I think was a blessing in disguise
for them. They had to put it in gear quick.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
You I would agree with that. Yeah, you know, I
thought Field's inability to do anything, and then you know,
they had some fumbles, they had some other stuff. But look,
Pittsburgh's defense is better than the Ravens defense, but the
Ravens offense is better than Pittsburgh's offense. Cleveland's obviously not

(28:15):
doing it in Cincinnati feels like they're better, but still
feels like they're missing something. But if you think they
lost two games, I would say that they're they're going
to make the playoffs. I don't know if they win
the division, I don't know. It's I mean, super competitive,
but right now, the Browns not being great is probably
the is the one thing that keeps them from me

(28:36):
in such a dynamic division, if you feel like I
can get, you know, two wins from one team. So,
Jason Stewart, something you left from the weekend?

Speaker 7 (28:45):
Yeah, I just gave you the entire I'm sorry, I mean,
allow me to give you some details. During the season,
he doesn't doesn't eat his first meal until four or
five pm. Okay, stays away from Fried Food's gluten dairy
artificial show. He says, well, eat three chicken breasts, some
rice and broccoli, and then do it again. He'll have
some gluten free pancakes if he wants to, Uh, if

(29:08):
he wants to.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Cheat, indulge, that's his indulge.

Speaker 7 (29:11):
I don't know how he has enough energy to get
through the day, let alone, you know, stave off NFL tackle.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
That has to be like, is there massive amounts of water?
Is he drinking electro like drink? What's he what's he doing?
What else is he doing? Yeah? But again, like if
you're eating chicken breasts in broccoli and you're eating him
in a condensed period of time, I mean, if you
look at his body, it seems to be working. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
He spends two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year
on nutrition and fitness regiment.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Well, his trainer. Have you guys ever seen the videos
of him working out?

Speaker 7 (29:48):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Do you notice anything about his his uh? His trainer.
So his trainer is a friend of mine. His name
is Melvin Sanders. Melvin played basketball Okan State A for US.
And you look at Melvin and you're like, and Melvin's
he's not quite minds. He's probably early forties, but I
mean it could looks like he's like a twenty five
twenty six ye old athlete played made the NBA, playing

(30:11):
for the Spurs, former state triple jump champion in Kansas.
Like also just an absolute positive freak. So and he's
the guy in the DFW in the summer that all
the NFL guys go to. So I'll give you something
I loved over the weekend. I love Sam Donald getting
the win in green Bay. You know we can sit

(30:33):
here and go, hey, you know, green Bay turnovers early
with with Jordan Love. And the weather's not bad and
he had a good start when he was in Carolina
or whatever. But the Jordan loves the the well, I
missaying why I keep saying Jordan Love when I'm talking
about the other quarterback. I just if you if it's

(30:54):
not just that I have been a card carrying member
of the Am Darnold fan club since he was back
at USC, it's that it does speak to sticking with it,
finding somebody who gets you. You're playing for a former
backup quarterback, you've been a backup quarterback you've been a starter.
But the biggest thing is like, it makes the Vikings

(31:15):
look like they're competently run, and it makes the Jets
look completely incompetent, which they were and a granted different GM,
different head coach at the time, but really really interesting
and I just love that story. I really do.

Speaker 12 (31:29):
Go ahead, Sammy, Well, my contribution for the love portion
of this fine segment is, actually, it's not about Iowa,
It's about Iowa State. Iowa was on a bye week,
so I switched my attention to watching the Cyclones, who
are undefeated and now up to sixteenth in the nation,
definitely a threat in the Big twelve Conference. Listen, Iowa

(31:54):
is a small state. It's only three million people or so,
So don't we look at Iowa State. I think Ioa
State looks at Iowa fan is like, we're cousins, you know,
We're we're not rivals. Like we definitely put a lot
of passion behind the Syhawk game, but for the most part,
we kind of we love each other. We're all we're
just cousins, you know, We're the other side of the
pond across the state. Iowa State is off to its

(32:16):
best start since the year two thousand, where they went
nine and three. They've never won more than nine games
in a season ever, which is pretty crazy. But they
are four and oh for the first time since two
thousand after they shut out Houston in a conference game
twenty to nothing on Saturday. It took a while for
them to get there. It was like three nothing until
like I think the fourth quarter, and then they put
them away. But this is a big deal because Iowa

(32:38):
State's undefeated and Dan Campbell with that win, he passed
Dan McCarney for most wins in program history with fifty
seven fifty seven wins dug and it was their first
shutout in conference on the road since nineteen seventy one.
They're now to sixteenth in the country, so this is
a big deal. This is a big deal for a
Cyclones program that listen. They They've still got heights to

(33:01):
reach under Matt Campbell, and I'm kind of happy to
see them to see them do this. They did beat Iowa,
but they got that out of the way and now
I feel like they have a big season in front
of them.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
So good for them. All right, let's get to what
we hated from the weekend, as it is love and
hate Jay Stu, hate Away.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
Yeah, you know what I hate. I hate people that
would much rather stand around with smartphone cameras and take
video of near death fights than actually tried to break
something up or de escalate. I don't know if any
of you saw this, but over the weekend there was

(33:49):
a fight at the Falcon Saints game and reportedly one
of the men that was getting his head stomped almost
lost his life. Oh man, the video is vicious, It's brutal.
It was shared a million times online. And the reason
why I know that is because there were like six

(34:09):
different angles on this fight, six different you know, smartphone
users who thought it would be cool to post the
fight as opposed to get involved. I don't know where
our society is going. I thought that civilizations were supposed
to evolve, but the vicious nature has gotten worse on

(34:31):
these fights. There's always been fights at games. You could
say that smartphones have just increased our visibility on it.
But I swear over the past couple of years, the
viciousness and potential deadliness of these fights is getting worse.
Somebody is going to die in one of these fights.
I think it's a matter of when and not if.

(34:52):
And I hope that every single person that took a
smartphone video of that person getting killed loses sleep at
night if they're not indicted for not stepping in and
preventing the dot It's a very dark, uh direction that
our society is going at soccer wholigans has been a

(35:14):
thing for decades in underdeveloped countries. Are we really going
to be that country where our citizens citizenry are killing
other people at sporting events?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I think right now the answer is yes, until something's done.
But you're right.

Speaker 12 (35:32):
I'm totally with Jason on the people just recording things
on their cell phone instead of intervening and helping. I
just I see it all the time, and yes, it's
given us much more access to disturbing videos. But at
one point, at what point do you just, you know,

(35:53):
put the phone down down and intervene. I just it's
it's cowardly. So I definitely hear you on that one.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
Jason.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Let me hate it for the weekend.

Speaker 11 (36:01):
I hated two things. One of them happening right now.
My phone does not work.

Speaker 10 (36:05):
Doug Yes is having some sort of outage and my
phone is not working, and it's very annoying. It's like,
how do we live without phones? But I'm not the
one also using my phone to record fights that I'm
with you guys on all of that. But I really
really hated that the Chargers did not beat the Chiefs.
The Chiefs not that they're not good, but they're definitely beatable.

(36:28):
And they've won out nine or ten in a row,
all of them, all of them except for one game
against Miami Dolphins last year, have been one score games.
And I really thought the Chargers had a legit chance.
I know, no Joe Alt, and I know that you know,
Justin Herbert is a little big gimpy right now, but
he I thought it was there and we just couldn't
do it.

Speaker 11 (36:48):
And I hated that.

Speaker 12 (36:50):
I would say, Okay, I'm gonna do my best here
to summarize this story. That's a little convoluted, a lot
of context involved. It's about a week in the making.
And credit to Jason though for bringing the Christine Brennan
side of this to my attention today. So let's just
start here. Djon A. Carrington has played Kaitlyn Clark several

(37:14):
times over the season. She has guarded her extremely hard.
She's all over like a mustard Stain. So they met
in the WNBA playoffs last week and djon A Carrington
for the Connecticut Sun was, you know, defending Kaylyn Clark
as she always does, and very very intense all over her.
And she at one point her hand flipped up at

(37:36):
some point and kind of swatted Kaitlin under the eye,
gave her a little little shiner, a little black eye.
And Christine Brennan now enters the equation and she's been
a sports journalist for a long time. She's worked for
USA Today, she's a columnist, she's a reporter. She's long
been in the corner of women's sports, and the WNBA

(37:57):
should be plenty familiar with her. She went up to
dj A Carrington after that game, after that first win
last week, and asked her this about the I poking incident.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
When you went and kind of swatted at Caitlin, did
you intend to hit her in the eye? And if so,
could you just earthen out either way? Could you talk
about what happened on that play.

Speaker 13 (38:20):
I just I don't even know why I would intend
to hit anybody in the eye.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
That doesn't even make sense to me.

Speaker 11 (38:25):
But no, I didn't.

Speaker 13 (38:26):
I didn't know I hit her. Actually, I was trying
to make a play on the ball and I guess
I followed through and I hit her. So obviously it's
never intentional.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
That's not even like the type.

Speaker 13 (38:35):
Of player that I am.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
So yeah, did you and Marina kind of laugh about
it afterwards? It looked like huge it was later on
the game they caught you guys laughing about it.

Speaker 13 (38:44):
No, I just told you I didn't even know I
hit her, So I can't laugh about something I didn't
know happened.

Speaker 12 (38:51):
All right, So we'll get back to the original question
in a little bit. So after that question was asked
and DJA gave her response to Christine Brennan, social media
did its thing where it reared its toxic head, and
Christine's question became It started to revolve around this idea

(39:11):
of you know, she's on like the Caitlin Clark side.
She's trying to drum up all this controversy with race
and gender and sexual orientation. And the WNBA's Player Association
really felt threatened by Christine Brennan's question and her intentions

(39:33):
and motives behind it, and they put out this statement
very sharp criticism of Brennan. They wrote to unprofessional members
of the media, like Christine Brennan. You are not fooling anyone.
That so called interview in the name of journalism was
a blatant attempt to bait a professional athlete into participating
into a narrative that is false and designed to fuel racist, homophobic,

(39:54):
and misogynistic vitriol on social media. You cannot hide behind
your tenure. Instead of demonstrating the cornerstones of journalism ethics
like integrity, objectivity, and a fundamental commitment to truth, you
have chosen to be indecent and downright insincere and late. Listen,
they weren't done there. They kind of insinuate, like maybe

(40:14):
you should have your credentials taken away, YadA, YadA, and
so forth. They're accusing her of bias and ulterior motives,
when first of all, they should be very familiar with
who this person is. She's been around.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Christine Brennan is just not good at her Joe okay,
Like the questioning questions were awful. The question questions were bad,
but they weren't with the intent of doing anything other
than trying to get to the story. Whether or not
she did it on purpose, Yes, she went straight to
j m kenny. Here's the thing. If you're going to
go after Christine Brennan with that sort of of energy,
like you're going to run out of people who wanted

(40:48):
who care. Listen, I'll make this really clear to the
w NBA players. Okay, these are way better. They're way
better than they ever used to be. Okay, the game,
the sport evolving, it's good. Caitlin Clark has raised it
to a whole new level. But you're a bunch of clowns,
and you make it so that we just it's not
like now I have to really make a choice. In
the summer, there wasn't much anything going on, but I

(41:08):
got college football, I got pro football, I got the
NBA's getting ready to get underway. Right. We have Major
League Baseball in the playoffs, which we just had maybe
the game of the year with the Mets clinching a
playoff spot against the Atlanta Braves. Another one kind of
coming up against the Braves, like you gotta I gotta
want to watch, not just there's nothing else on and

(41:30):
I super super super super don't want to watch. I
just it's just like you can't question somebody's motives or
you're a racist or your sex sister, or a homophobia
or whatever, like just go away, just go away. And honestly,
this whole act makes me want the league to go
back to the near bankruptcy days, you know, like where

(41:53):
they had the the Houston Comets won like the first
four titles, then they went bankrupt, you know, and they're
vassively over because they think that this sport is on
the rise, Like let's see what happens next year. Because
you just all these new customers, you turn them off.
This is a restaurant that's been open for a long time.
It's been saying like why don't we get any attention?
Then it's got this one meal. You know, they make

(42:14):
this cheesecake and everybody keeps asking for the cheesecake. You're like, hey,
what about this whole other menu? Like the El Mini
is fine, but I like the cheesecake, So I'm going
to the cheesecake. Imagine the cheesecake factory, like, hey, not
only do we not have cheesecake, but you asking for
cheesecake offends me? Offends me.

Speaker 12 (42:34):
Can I just put a pin on this? I don't
like Christine Brennan's question. I think it was kind of
silly of course, she didn't intend to hit her in
the face, and even she did, she would never admit
to that.

Speaker 11 (42:46):
So I get it. She's allowed to ask that question.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
I think know how to ask a better question.

Speaker 12 (42:51):
Hold on, but the reaction from the WNBAPA is way
over the top. That's really what I have a problem, way.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
At the top. Correct. Both of these things can be true.
Christine Brendan can ask bad questions and not be a sexist, homophobe.
Whatever she's been accused.

Speaker 11 (43:03):
They're not proportional reaction.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Nobody, nobody thinks that she is. But like Sport Forever
correct and she's She's the columnist that you know, like
Boston guy tries to get make everything about Boston right,
like moving Boston, Like we don't retire to hear about Boston.
She's the person who in the columnists will always as
a columnist, will always try and bring something back to
talking about women's sports. So yeah, that that annoys that,

(43:28):
That more than annoys me. Wait, I didn't get to
what I hated from the weekend.

Speaker 7 (43:32):
Sounds like you hated the Christine Brennan story.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I did, but he already had that. Why are you
taking that from me?

Speaker 11 (43:39):
Why you can co sign on it.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
How about you.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
I'll share it. I hate with Rich Hormberger. That's that's
what we'll do. That's love and hate.
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