October 4, 2024 • 46 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:Doug talks about the Falcons come-from-behind win on Thursday night and the Mets' win over the Brewers in dramatic fashion, and asks the question "which one was more exciting?".
Doug and Dan Beyer talk about how unbelievable the end of the Falcons-Bucs game was and the heartache of Brewers' closer Devin Williams .
Doug welcomes former NFL executive Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about Davante Adams, the Falcons and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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only two groups of people that didn't like last night
were Brewer fans and Buccaneer fans. It's not really like
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a huge group of Buccaneer fans. Brewer fans and I
live around all of them. They are like, how could
you just say that, what an amazing night? Amazing night?
And hear the Brewer were what was it? Two outs away,
two outs away from from advancing and a three run
home run changes all that. And then of course Kirk
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Cousins throws a pick late in the fourth corner, only
to get another opportunity that they come back, tie it,
send it to overtime and win on this final pass.
This was the final pass of regulation, by the way,
which send it to overtime.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Oh this is sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
This is Kirk Cousins on the final pass of regulation
with time running out.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
They were living dangerously. The call came in. It was
it was a ball's got to go to the sideline.
You know, every route was to the sideline. And then
he changed his mind. He said, you know what, Kirk
ripped his slant and let's let's clock it and see
if we can do it. And uh, we were able
to do it by the second.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Really amazing. Here's Cousins in the locker room of his
team after the game. Here's Rahee Morris, the new head
coach Atlanta Falcons, said this about Cadero Hodge.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
It was not just about him. We talked about this thing, Tory,
and we said we got here. We said this team
was created with our old team that's on an organization
with fifty three man roster, with all the sixteen practice
squad guys. We said, its one big team we're all
together and he's no different. And when his numbers called
two weeks in a row scoring a touchdown, what is
on special teams, whether it's on offense. Excited to know
who he is and what he's made of and what
he is about.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I mean, just really really incredible for Hodge. And of
course he catches that ball as just a I mean,
I don't know, we used to call it a button hook, right,
just turns catches bad tackling by Tampa and like the
Red Sea at parts and number twelve runs in for
a touchdown with like eight forty to go in overtime.
Just kind of an amazing end to a football game, right,
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amazing end to a football game. This is coming on
the heels, an amazing end to the baseball game. Here's
my question of today. Okay, Falcons come from behind and win,
and everything we thought about Kirk Cousins may in fact
be incorrect.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Kirk Cousins was known as a guy who couldn't play
in the big games. He was the primetime killer, he
was the guy who got too tight. Of course, he
went on the road and beat the Saints in the playoffs,
and people thought, well, maybe that's that eliminates it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, it's not big enough.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And then now he's two and zero in primetime games
in Atlanta Falcons uniform, this later on his career, coming
off an Achilles ten in tear. So the part of
it is, it takes incredible fortitude and mefmental toughness to
play long enough to eventually overcome these narratives. Lebron James
did it. And I'm not saying Kirk Cousins is Lebron James,
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but Lebron James. Remember, we go back to the Dallas
series and he was seen as a guy who wasn't
ready for the big moment. Then he was ready for
the big moment, and then he's since won four NBA
titles and now he's won another gold medal. And part
of it is we do jump to conclusions a little bit.
I know, I have friends who played with him in
Minnesota and they all said it was a real thing.
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He was clearly tight when they would play the bigger games,
the standalone games, the primetime games. But as most of
us do, as you age, you can process things a
little bit better. And the best thing about Kirk Cousins
is I don't think he's acting like I think the
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rohole Russell Wilson thing, the id aug shucks, I'm trying
to be a good guy, and also things I think
he's acting.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I don't think Kirk Cousins is.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I think he's just a dorky, nerdy dad who's really
good at football, and he leans into that. And once
you can kind of be yourself and not try to
be anybody else and just go play football, that's.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
When you can ultimately be successful.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And oh yeah, by the way, be embraced for it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Be embraced for it.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But here's the question of the day I have, and
I know I'll give you my answer to it. And
I understand there's more at stake when there's playoffs and
regular season, But isn't the ending of baseball better than
the ending of football? Even at the ending of football
was equally kind of quick, right, It did feel like, Wait,
the Falcons are gonna they're gonna lose this game. No weight,
they got it back, no weight, they're gonna run out
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of time, no weight, they got it done.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They kick a field goal, then you go to.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Overtime, and then one, you know, then this one play
just a really quick, you know, little route usually against
the zone. Just a little dig route ends up being
a touchdown. But I wonder if baseball's ending is better
because of essentially the three point play, right, the home
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run is worth three runs in this particular instance, I
don't know which ending did you think was better?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Which ending do you think is more memorable?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And as much as right now we're gonna say the
Mets a couple things won. It wasn't the end of
the game. The Brewers did get a chance to hit
it again. Secondly, we're going to forget about great early playoff,
wild card divisional round matchups. That's just the reality of it,
just the reality of it. And it's still the Brewers
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and Matts. It's not the Yankees or the Dodgers. On
the other hand, we're talking Falcons in Tampa and Thursday
night football and a streaming service. If it's me, I
think it's baseball because the baseball moment is and Jase
dou I'm going to credit you because you said it.
It's the baseball. It can be really hard to watch,
can be a really long and really boring, and you'll
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sit with people that don't like baseball and go.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Like, why do you watch this crap.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Why it's so slow, it's so boring, there's too many games,
and then you're like, okay, watch the playoffs and you're
still like, yeah, it's too nothing, like there's nothing really
to this. And they walk a guy and get it
hits first and third, and now all of a sudden,
everybody gets hype and wait, he just hit one out
of the park and now you're down three too, Just
like that, Jase, do which ending was better for you?
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Well, just to clarify something, I'm never bored by baseball.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I will no, no, no no, But people are.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Okay, no, no, I understand that sentiment. What my point was,
major League Baseball has done a lot in recent years
to piss me off. Whether it's now we're allowed to
celebrate after every single whether it's now let's fade the
lights on every home run and let's have blaring music
between innings, and let's speed up the game that I
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didn't think needed, speed it up, and speed it up.
But moments like last night make me fall in love
with the sport again. That's my point. You see something
like that and like, that's why I'm never gonna leave
this game.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
All right, how about you? I was Sam which ending
was better.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I'm gonna go with the Mets as well.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
I thought that was one of the best Thursday night
football games I've ever seen, at least from, you know,
scoring an entertainment the scoring an entertainment point of view,
but that ending for the Mets and just where the
Mets have been and like what kind of franchise they
are that was that was very memorable.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Okay, wait, that one.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I have to kind of slam the brakes down for
a second because that's one of those Met woe is
Me sentiment that's not actually close to being accurate. And
I'm not saying you are. I think to what you're
doing is you're following the narrative. Mets fans act like
all they do is suck, and they've always sucked. And
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it's been like forty years in the you know, forty
years in the desert, right when this is their second
playoff appearance. In the last three years, they won one
hundred and one games. Two years ago, Yes, COVID year
they were terrible. After COVID year, they were bad. They
have alternated in between bad years. But if you want
to go in the last ten years, they've won ninety
eighty seven, seventy seventy seven, eighty six, the COVID year
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they won twenty six seventy seven, one hundred and one,
seventy five eighty nine. Where is the woe is me?
The Mets have been bad for a long time. I'm
waiting for it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
They don't fall for that, Sam, don't fall for I.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
Don't think it comes to mind when I think about
the Mets except for their World Series appearance nine years ago.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Honestly, they just they didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
How many well, how many other teams have been in
the World Series since?
Speaker 6 (09:15):
Uh, every many years since two teams each year?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I understand how many other teams? By point?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Like, how many World Series are the Dodgers been the
dominant team in the National League? Howny World Series are
the Dodgers been to in that same period.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
Of time three at least?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Okay, and that's the most dominant team. Like, it's really
really hard. They haven't been a joke. They have been
a laughing stock in baseball. Damn in the Chicago White
Sox right now, they just haven't Like now the Mets,
if you want to say they've been guilty of anything.
There was a long time there where they kind of
mirrored the Knicks in that they would never just be
super bad to end up being really, really good. But
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I'm just the whole reason that the Mets have gotten
discussed over the last decade is just like the.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Jets, just like Syracuse.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Is half of the half of the people in our
profession went to Syracuse and our Nicks Mets Jets fans.
Speaker 8 (10:13):
Oh, it's so true. It is one hundred percent true.
The Mets were treated like the team that had their
manager leave them for their rival, that had their star
player be injured in the middle of the season and
not be able to return, that they had their best
pitcher leave because they weren't willing to pay him enough
money and had another starting pitcher be injured. That's how
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the Mets were treated last night. Oh and by the way,
that was the Brewers. And the guy who was not
running the Mets front office was the guy who built
the Brewers team as we know it as of now,
David Stearns, who had been rumored to be going to
the Mets for years and years and years and finally
took over as their president of baseball operations.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Listen, the Mets have the number one payroll in all
of baseball. Okay, three hundred and seventeen million dollars. The Brewers, who,
as Dan properly pointed out, their manager left for the Cubs.
Do you know how bad that hurts? Do you understand
what it's like in Milwaukee? Walking is like an hour
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and a half in Chicago to lose them to the Cubs.
They have the twenty first payroll and then they've lost
picture after picture their best players on the shelf. Tried
to fight through it with the back issue.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah. Again, I'm just Sam.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I'm not saying I don't know more about baseball than
you do, but I'm just telling you all of this
is that it's a media create.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
What less so about the narrative is actually my point
more so just the ending and how they advanced. I mean, yes,
I the narrative played into my opinion a little bit.
But if you have the highest payroll in baseball and
you're underwhelming, and really nothing was expected of them this
year and they outperformed, I thought that's cool.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Well, they had injuries to start the years. What you
know they did last year? They had injuries, crazy injuries
in in spring training, right, I mean, you had Diaz
was the best closure in baseball two years ago, and
then he gets hurt. They had just a litany of
other injuries. They scrap everything to spend a bunch of money.
I mean, you spend three hundred million dollars, you don't
make the playoffs, Like, dude, what so buyer? What do
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you think what's better?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Ending?
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Well, I mean baseball was.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
I mean, as much as I wanted the Brewers to win,
and I don't live and die with the Brewers, but
if I picked any team to win a World Series,
it would be then that would be the team that
I cheered for. And when Pete Alonso hit the home run,
there was a bit of a sinking feeling. And you
can't deny walk single and home run, and all of
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a sudden it's a completely different ballgame.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Is that? Ending?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Is what postseason baseball is about?
Speaker 8 (12:43):
And in fact, to me, on a grander scale, it
verified or validated what Major League Baseball wanted to do.
And now you're making more interesting games. You may not
like the three game series, but you can't argue what
last night you provided drama in an area that was
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never mindy before. It's like you find gold in an
area that you had no idea could actually be there.
So I give them credit for all of that, but yeah,
it's still stung.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Oh man, what it ended, and it was so weird.
So let me give you can' I give you my
night real quick again. Had a question, Dan, I'm sorry, No,
I just.
Speaker 8 (13:21):
You know, there's another part of this is did you
guys hear the Bob Buker call. Yeah, you guys heard
about I don't know if we have it in the system.
I've got it on my computer if you needed to
play it. But this is the other part of it.
And Christian Yelich was in the Brewers dugout last or
excuse me clubhouse last night and was in tears, not
because they lost, but because of the conversation that he
had with Bob Yuker, who went around to each player
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in the post game show, and Bob Bucher's ninety and
there's no idea when Bob Bucher is finally going to
hang things up. But it was an emotional call. So
for as great as the Mets call was, and that
was getting all the pub, I actually do have the
Brewers ca so that's yeah, that's that's my bad.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
That's my bad on that.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
No, it's just the the different window was open. Here
was what here's what it sounded like with Bob Yuker
last night and calling the final out of that game three.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Well, New York they did it.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
We'll have it in.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Really a crushing into what was a fabulous season for
the Milwaukee Brewers.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
That one had.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Some string on it.
Speaker 8 (14:48):
So that was Bob Uker And so I think that
that hits home to a lot.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Of a lot of places last night. So that made
my heart hurt a little bit.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
Yeah, but mister New York Sam Ia Sam over there,
we call New York Sam.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, you know New York Sam. Oh, the poor they
haven't done anything.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It's just, oh gosh, this ragtag bunch of losers that
got picked up on the street, off the waiver wire
and thrown together at the last moment. Somehow overcame the
lofty payroll and uh and made it to another round
of the playoffs. I love Sam, God lamb for Sam. Yes,
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that yeah, that one. That one's Byron.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
I Byron.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I know how this and this is like it's like
it's Jason Smith's a perfect example, right.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I love Jason.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
He's on at Night with Mike with with Mike Harmon,
But he talks about the Mets as if they've been
the old Brooklyn Dodgers.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
Clearly, Jason, Jason Smith and Rich Davis have brainwashed me
with all their constant, just repetition of takes about the
Mets are the lovable loser New York Sam.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Big York's Big. I like Big Apple, Sam, Yeah, Big,
I like Big Apple.
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should be Hey, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in. I feel
like we did this segment before because we just did
the best walkoffs we'd ever seen. Obviously, I want to
(16:38):
get to that. Also want to talk a little about
last night's Falcons Bucks. We'll do that in a second. Reminder,
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(16:58):
I know you have a bunch of things you want
to get into on last night's football game, and I
respect that. I do want to hear from Jason Stewart
because he has forever picked apart the NFL and the
play of the NFL, more specifically the play of the
offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Then last night we see a shootout, terrible tackling. I'm
not going to I'm not going to deny that, but
we do see a shootout in the NFL. Is it
possible that your Zoruba claim was based upon the first
four weeks, which now we're kind of out of that
quarter pole a little bit, and you know those first
four weeks the Patriots, you use those as extended preseason.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
I think the question is do I still think we're
in zuopa and do I still think the product is weak?
I think there are exceptions to the rule on a
weekly basis. My feeling all along. I'm just I'm just
going to clarify my opinion is that the overall product
in general of the NFL is down. It's somewhat unwatchable
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at times. I have to watch it because of work,
but if I didn't, I would choose not to. The
only reason people tune in is because they have fantasy
interest and betting interest, or if you're interested in one
of the two teams. And my my theory here about
Zuropa has nothing to do with offense or defense has
to do with if you're sitting there, does it pass
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the eye test. It's like if you watch a movie
and it just doesn't it's underwhelming. Maybe you can't, you know,
put your finger on what makes it that way. It
just leaves you underwhelmed. And that's how I feel at
the end of most NFL games. So last night, I
guess maybe an exception to the rule, but the defense
was dreadful. I mean, the Bucks couldn't stop anybody at
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the end. In the first half, nobody was stopping anybody.
So I don't know what to make of last night.
The ending was really special, and I guess that's what
the NFL could tell.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You, right ending by your thoughts.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
It was a crazy game, and I just it's again.
I said this on the I Want Your Flex podcast,
and I'll say it here. It's a reason number nine million,
two hundred thousand and forty three why you shouldn't bet
on the National Football League because you just don't know
what's going to happen, and there are times when you
think that your bet is cashed in and it isn't.
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And there were various points with three minutes or less
to go in that game where if you were on
the side of the Buccaneers, so I believe were about
a one point underdog heading into the game, that you
felt that your bet was going to cash in, and
then in the end Falcons end up covering because of
overtime and because of everything that happened with it. I
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am in a picks thing. I did have the Buccaneers.
I didn't put a lot of weight on them in
the weighted pool, but it did make me realize a
lot of the things that were going on in the
final three minutes were just absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, listen, I mean my pick obviously yesterday was I
thought Atlanta would cover. I didn't think they would win,
and I had the under which I was completely off on.
But it was It's like the old John Wooden expression,
never was it, never was it something activity for achievement,
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never mistaken activity for achievement, right, And so you could
use that in sports to say, never mistaken a close
game for a good game.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
There was actually some spectacular play offensively. I did think
the defense was bad. I'll also point out Jason that
while Tampa's defense wasn't good in the first half, the
tackling I think at the end of the game is
that's fatigue. That's what fatigue looks like. You can't do
things you normally can't do. I thought they got tired.
Part of the reason they got tired was they weren't
good on the games around the field. Both the teams
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are on the field. Defense were on the field a
lot and running around chasing dudes a lot. But I
did think it was a fun, fun game, fun game.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
And part of the reason why the Bucks were tired
was because they were just on the field prior to
the coin toss of overtime, sure where they were a
bit gassed and allowing the Falcons to drive down the
field and kick the game tying field goal, And there's
even more to the point. Falcons were favored by a
point and a half last night. So the Falcons were up,
and let me just if I can just have two
minutes to break this down. With a first and ten
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at the Atlanta thirty two yard line, the Buccaneers are
up thirty to twenty seven. That's when Bucky Irving ends
up fumbling and Atlanta recovers and you're saying, oh, no,
woe is me? What's going on with the rookie. Well,
then the Buccaneers defense steps up gets the sack of
Kirk Cousins, and now the Falcons have a decision to
make fourth and fifteen from their own twenty down three,
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but they have all three timeouts a minute fifty two
to go, and they decide to go for it, which
actually thought that they should, because if the Falcons get
the Buccaneers get a first down, who cares, They'll just
run out the clock. Yeah, absolutely, So they end up
going for it. Levante David intercepts the ball on fourth down.
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Sure why why?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I don't know?
Speaker 8 (21:59):
Yeah, that's the question. I don't know, because at that
point it's fourth and fifteen. But you also think we'll
all pick it off because the game's over. Well, that
cost them seven yards of field position. In that instance,
if you would have just knocked the pass down, it
would have been first and ten at the twenty yard line.
Atlanta would have three timeouts, very difficult to get out
of field goal range. But somehow the Buccaneers found themselves
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getting out of field goal range because of a holding
penalty that backed them up all the way to the
forty three yard line, and they didn't want to try
a long field goal only up by three refs missed
a face mask call on a run by Bucky Irving
on that holding play that completely went against Tampa, and
so the thought process of Atlanta with their three timeouts
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was played correctly then because of what Levante David didn't do,
and then of the holding penalty that the Falcons or
the Buccaneers ended up getting long story short fourth and
twenty fourth from the forty two, Bucks punted back to
Atlanta that allows them to drive down and get the
field goal. But there were about four opportunit unities that
the Buccaneers didn't get a break on or messed up
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in that last three minutes that allowed Atlanta to get
New Life Stug.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. And then
you have baseball, which a series of things have to
had to go wrong for Atlanta to come back and
win that game. And though there were a series of
things that went wrong for the Brewers, obviously it was
basically three things that kind of went wrong. I do
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think that baseball is unique and different in that I mean, literally,
one pitch changes the game. Now, what's crazy about it is,
you know Devin Williams, who, by the way, I don't
know if we have Devin Williams sound, but you want
to talk about a guy getting it in terms of accountability,
like he was amazing. You know, so many times we
see athletes and they make excuses, they don't want to
(23:52):
talk to the media, or they're very like, they're very
combative towards me. I mean, it just has to be
devastating towards it towards a guy that here's a here's
a guy who's had a great season, right and he
ends up giving up a home run which dramatically changes
the course of Brewer's history and maybe of Met's history.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Now, it should be pointed out that as.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I told everyone I know is anytime somebody gives up
either a rally or a home run that changes the
game in the ninth inning, it all feels like it
starts the same. I was, Sam, do you know what
it usually starts with no walking the first hitter? Like
I would love to see somebody needs that. One of
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us needs to call Elias. I don't have the number
for all, not a kid named Elias, Elias Sports Bureau
and find out how many of these come from behind
ninth inning home runs or walk offs were preceded by
walking the first patter?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I mean by it? How many times have we seen this?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I mean, look even the who walked that Dave Roberts
end up pinch running for with the Red Sox, which,
of course, the Yankees were up three games none, and
Game four was changed by Dave robert steeling second base
and then then a single knocks him in and it
forever changed the course of the Red Sox history as
they were. You know, they had the Curse of the
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Bambino before that. The walk of the first hitter almost
always means something bad's gonna happen, right. It's like the
opening scene of a horror movie. You're just trying to
find out who's going to die. You're like, huh, who's
going to die in this group? Okay, the biggest star
in the movie is not going to die. Everybody else
probably very much in danger. I think the exact same
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thing when I watch Major League Baseball's playoffs, and I
was like, ninth inning. You know, we can really start eighthning,
but ninth inning the rally always starts with the with
the walk of the of the first hitter, always, or
at least it feels that way.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Feels that way.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Did you have doubt, Buyer when you're watching and you
see Devin Williams, I mean, was it especially sharp? I
don't know if he was overthrowing or if he was tired.
Did you think, oh boy, this is not going to
go good.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
Well, I think that every Brewer fan probably remembers back
to twenty nineteen when Josh Hater came in against the Nationals.
That was an eighth inning situation and they ended up
giving up three runs in the eighth inning and losing
that game, allowing Washington to then go on their run
to ultimately win the World Series. So that's nothing that's
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nothing new to Milwaukee. I don't know how you could
have asked for a better situation though, being you got
your back to back home runs in the in the
seventh inning, so then you're six out of way at
that point. Wasn't like it was a one nothing game.
You have a little bit of a cushion with the
two nothing game, so I didn't. I wasn't counting the
chickens before they were hatched. But I think that there
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may have been some trepidation from the past. But two
to zero with your closer, who's been, you know, pretty
darn good all year, Yeah, I think you're fine with that.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Here's Devin Williams is a closer for the Brewers. After
the game, really good teams here. Where does this one
rank in terms of like just the special feeling you
guys had and you know, the unity and every thing
and what you're able to accomplish this year.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
This is the closest to I would say that I've
played on you.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You know. That's why it makes it that much more disappointed.
You know, everyone did their job except for me job.
You know, I feel like I'll let everything down here.
That's hard.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
That's that's the old man in the arena stuff, right, like, hey,
everybody wants that ball to go out and send your
team on in the playoffs. Everyone wants to go to
the NLCS. Everybody, And uh yeah, that that's a hard one.
Everybody did their job except for me. There is no
more accountable statement than that. And I didn't think he
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said it for sympathy. I said it be I think
he said it because it feels like it's fact, and
it's hard to argue that fact, you know, Like it
wasn't like somebody misplayed a ball. Now he walked the
opening or then he gave up a single first and third,
like that was all him. The home run was him,
nobody else touched it.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Now, have you guys watched the John Boy the deal
where it looks like he was tipping pitches? Jaysetud did
you go watch when I.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Haven't watched it yet. I didn't even hear about that.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, So it looks like Williams when he's when he's
throwing a fastball, he digs deeper into his gloves so
he holds it a little bit differently. When he's going
to do a change up, his hand is different because
he has to he gets like his I don't know
if he's doing a circle change. He's got more of
his hand over the over the ball. So if you
watch before Alonso goes up to bat, I don't know
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if it's a hitting coach or or if the skipper
grabs him and you could see it, they say like
something something change up.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
And so he goes up there and he was not.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
He was not swinging at the change up, which is
his best pitch is he was swinging at the fastball,
fastball up and away, and he takes it out of
the park.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Like that whole thing is just amazing. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I know, I'd live in Wisconsin now and I love
the I do love how the Brewers have treated me personally,
and this is an amazing team. And what people should
know is kind of what Dan Byer pointed out to
start the show, which is, like, dude, you lose your
manager to the Cubs, that one stings. They've lost a
litany of pitchers to injury, their best player is on
the show for the rest of the year, like this
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was a kind of a miracle season. Obviously, postseason baseball
is so different, and the Mets, you could point out
they underachieved most of the year before making an incredible
run to get into the playoffs. But that's a three
hundred million dollars plus payroll, number one payroll in Major
League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
They should have been there.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
All that said, you know, you're a couple of pitches
away from beating the Mets, And Devin Williams said it
right like it was all on him. What a night
in sports?
Speaker 5 (29:57):
I do.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I think of Scott Van Pelt.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
He always says sports better than their reality show and
then he goes and that's what.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
That's what last night's was.
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Speaker 6 (30:30):
Mmm, they call me the Big Crab Apple Real.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Huey Lewis is like in Montana. What happened where he
can't perform anymore? Is his voice or his hand.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
It's something with his vocal cords.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Man that sucks. Huey Lewis and the news. If you're
in the band and they say are you in the band? Yeah,
what band you in, I'm in the news or do
you say I'm with Huey Lewis and we're the News?
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Could be confusing.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It could be very confusing because even though the News
was part of Huey Lewis The News, I don't know
if anybody would have known them.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
As the News.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Just anyway, big story in the in the NFL outside
of last night. I want to get to the last
night's game in a second with Mark Dominic of course,
former Joe manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. Aaron Rodgers possibly
reuniting with DeVante Adams. Davante Adams has preferred to be traded.
Most people think his preferred destinations be the Jets for
of Aaron Rodgers, or with Derek Carr with an Orleans Saints,
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other teams in need of a wide receiver, potentially a
Buffalo or maybe a Kansas City. Here's Aaron Rodgers when
he was asked about Davante Adams.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
I don't know how much I can say about it,
this tampering, but I still have a close friendship with him.
We spent time in the off season together. He's a
great guy and great player and thrust that out of
my hands.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Here's Aaron Rodgers talking about grass being greener.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
The grass is green where you water it. You know,
there's the fear mongering that goes along with the adage
that the grass is not always greener on the other side.
But the grass is green where you're water and you
put the time, and you put intention and attention to
whatever you're doing, and you can make a special situation
out of being anywhere.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Okay, that sounds good, but it feels like the opposite.
It does feel like both of those guys thought, you know, thought,
hey man, we're really gonna this is gonna be awesome
in our new spot. Now you find out your new
spot is wildly dysfunctional. Raiders and Jets, let's welcome in
Mark dominic.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Mark.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Let me ask you first, Devonte Adams, what's his values?
It's one you're left in this deal doesn't appear to
be the same player, but some of it is also
who he's playing with. What's his value in the open market,
on the trade market.
Speaker 11 (32:45):
Yeah, Doug, I think it's a good question. I don't
know if you can get a one for DeVante Adams
just be hard pressed to do that. As an organization.
I do think a two would be something that you
would think you could easily ask for. I mean, obviously
the Raiders gave up a one and the two to
acquire him a few years back, but I think a
two is probably fair market value. I think a one
would be really stretching or pushing it.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
All Right, what about the idea of joining Rogers or
joining Derek Carr.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
What's a better fit?
Speaker 11 (33:15):
Well, I mean, I guess you know, Garrett Wilson has
been is you know, double team and triple teams and
so to get I think, you know, DeVante Adams. The
Jets to me seems like a little bit better of
a spot, and I think it's a better you know,
possible u ending the center. Obviously, in contention, you know
last night's game was I think it is good for
the things that was obviously for the Alanta Falcons. The
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sad thing I think when I look at this whole thing,
Doug is here, you've got the Raiders. We're playing the
Denver Broncos who are two and two, and the Raiders
are two and two, and if you win this game,
they're kind of in the playoff run and everybody's like
get rid of the player, like it's just, you know,
it'd be one thing at the Raiders center four and
zero and four and you're like, well, you got to
trade Devonte Adams. They're just two and two and they
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can beat the Denver Broncos. I think they're good at
to do that. And they're three and two and suddenly
your star receiver doesn't want to be there when you
actually are in the hunt for the playoffs. That's the
sad part of this whole conversation. In my opinion, I.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Would agree with you. I would completely agree with you.
Let's get to last night's game. Your biggest takeaway is what.
Speaker 11 (34:17):
Tackling need to improve in the National Football League. There
was a lot of miss tackles out there in the field.
That's why we saw so many points. You know, I
was going to I was pretty disappointed in Raheem Morris's
decision at halftime to punt the ball. I think it's
the first time I saw the punt of the entire game,
and it was only nineteen seconds left and I'm like
to go for it. You know, see what you can
do here because no one really could stop anybody. But
I think it goes down to the beauty is the
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game isn't over till it's over. And you could see
that there were some throws last night, but there was
Baker Mayfield's gorgeous touchdown paths or a couple that Kirk
Cousins said. They just let their guys go make plays. Yeah,
the placement was unbelievable, but it was just as like
a good thing. Nothing bad happened. But that's the difference
between a veteran quarterback and a quarterback that's gunshi ers
scared to make a play like what's happened to Bryce
(35:01):
Young where he doesn't even make that throat because he's
so afraid of what's going to happen. So two gun
players just letting it out and trusting that their playmakers
are better than the defenders and proved true all night.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
How were we so? And I say we, I'm not
saying you.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I would say national media very off about the NFC South.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
It's early, Okay, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Early, But how can we be so off about the
NFC South, a division which people are like, I don't
really know.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I think something can be good now. It appears to
have some several good teams. How do we miss I
don't know if.
Speaker 11 (35:34):
We missed either though, Doug. Yet, you know, I picked
up the beginning the preseason the Valcot to win the division.
Tampa had me on the ropes last night for a
little bit there and had a chance to really kind
of pull some separation. I still feel like there's only
going to be one team that comes out of the South.
I still feel like there's going to be two that
come out of the North. I think there's going to
be two that come out of the East and two
that come out of the West and just went out
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of South, and so I think what you're seeing is, yes,
they are good football teams, but over time, because they're
going to be playing each other, they're going to beat
each other up. By still from ten and seven is
going to be as good as you get out of
the South. But you know, it's still way too early
to call that. You know, Tampa lost the game last night.
In my opinion, Atlanta took advantage of it. For Kirk
Cousins continues to prove why you know, he's very disrespected
(36:18):
but still can put some magic numbers together. Even when
Matt Ryan's getting a jersey retired.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Why is he so disrespected?
Speaker 11 (36:25):
That's the playoff record. You know, it's hard to think
of anything. I think it's you know, his emotional house
person will never forget you like that, and then you
kind of sit there and say, yeah, but it's kind
of like the old Matt hasseback. We're going to get
the ball and win the game, and it doesn't work out,
and you're like, oh, that was a great quote. You know.
Kirk Cousins's kind of been the same way. His postseason
hasn't matched up to his accolades in the regular season
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a little bit like Dak Prescott, and I think that's
why he's kind of always been that. He's good, not great.
But you know, you're talking about a fifth game coming
off of an achilles. They spent a lot of time
last night talking about his plants, but on the broadcast,
that's an impressive performance. You know, to go out there
as five hundred yards, I mean one of those league
is a past happy league with five hundred yards, that's
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an amazing accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
No, I mean, he was on pace last year to
throw for six thousand yards before he got four.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
He got hurt. So let's sprinkle around the rest of
the Nation Football League.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Jane Danis continues to play well, Like how much of
it is Kingsbury, how much of it is Daniels.
Speaker 11 (37:25):
Yeah. I think it's a wonderful combination. And I think
that's why, you know, we talked about him early in
the season in what he's been able to do and
what I think he's going to be able to accomplish.
This is a young guy that went to the right
offensive coordinator who knows how to use an athletic quarterback
that understands that fundamentally he can throw first and he's
putting them in great spots. But I mean that's complete
percentages out of sight and that is processing. But the
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coaches talk about it. Dan Quinn talked about it, Clise
kny Berrys talked about it. The guy grinds, he works
his tailoff. They say it, they spent. They've talked about it.
And that was part of my reason why I had
him as rookie the year before the season started, because
I had talked to some people in the commander's organization
and like, this guy's different. And you know, as a
young quarterback, you think you know how much work it's
going to be until you're actually there, and then as
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you're a veteran You've kind of seen different guys come
through the building, and he had everybody's eyeballs in terms
of like this guy really does of this guy's really working,
and it's awesome to see it pay off. To see
them at three and one and have a chance to
go to four and one against the Cleveland Browns. You know,
it's impressive and it also speaks to Dan Quinn and
his ability to help lead players.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Mark Dominicks joining us in the Doug Gottlieb Show Course,
former gentleal manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He joins
his weekly throughout the football season. I wanted to ask
you about the Packers. Obviously got off to slug a
start and some turnovers against the Vikings, end up coming
from behind and making it close. But now a team
that many people thought could win the divisions at two
and two, actually in last place in the NFC North.
Of course, they didn't have their quarterback for a couple
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of games. They go out to La take on the Rams.
What's the state of the Packers from your.
Speaker 11 (38:55):
Perspective, Yeah, I think it's trying to find, you know,
the comfort within, you know, getting everybody on the field
at the same time, I think having Jordan Love back
out there is a big piece of it. I know
they came up, like you said, two points short against
the Vikings. They were able to win a couple of
games while he was out, But you know, this is
a nice run for them. I think, you know, they
go out to la which is the team that's obviously
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struggling as well. In my opinion, they get to come
home for three to the next four. After that, in
the other road games at Jacksonville, We're gonna learn a
lot about the Packers. But I'm still a big believer.
I still think they're the number two team. As good
as Minnesota has been in Minnesota's schedule gets easier and
easier as this thing goes on. I feel like Minnesota
actually played five their toughest or you know, some of
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the toughest games already. To me, I think we underestimated
the North. I know we all felt good about Detroit Lions,
we felt good about the Packers. I didn't see the
spiking teams coming through. I know you were a much
bigger Sam Darnold fan than almost anybody, and you saw
a little bit of the hope and potential there. And
now I think this is going to become a great battle.
But I think three mind Packers are in this. I
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think they are a postseason team. I think they'll kind
of write the ship here against the Rams. And then
again they got two straight home games, which is really
big for them.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
No, listen, my thought on Donoald was obviously I've always
liked him, but I also like the fact that one
he has really talented guys too. He's got a i
think stud coach who was a you know, backup journeyman quarterback.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I think that helps. And then the knowledge of the.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
System having been in San Francisco, you know, I mean
so many times these guys start bouncing around as the
backup quarterback and it's either a new system that they
got to learn and teach, or they're just kind of
the spokesperson for that system and they follow around the
same offensive coording or the bringing into what San Francisco
did and then giving him Aaron Jones and Justin Jefferson
and what they have I did see some success.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
The great thing about them, right is that.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
There's no rush for them to, you know, make any
sort of adjustment with j. J. McCarthy because JJ's not
going to be back and we can see if this
is short term long term success.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Is that fair?
Speaker 11 (40:54):
I think it's very fair. I think that's a very
good observation. And I think this is great. You know, this
is the again. I think a Vikings team that schedules
opening up for them, I think it's going to get
me a much easier. I mean, but at the same point,
you know, I think these three teams are all really
a great battle. But when you look at the Viking
down the road and you think about it, you've got Rams, Colds, Jiaguars,
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Titaned Bears, Cardinals, Bears. You know, there's a lot of
games over your sending boy, that's a lot that could
be a lot of wins. You know. For JJ, you
know it's going to be you know, sit back and
learn and watch. Not the worst thing for him and
not obviously the worst thing for Sam. Donald's a good
problem to have to have two quarterbacks. You're excited about
an organization that's a that's I'm sure it.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Is interesting, right, I mean, think about last night we
saw cousins Gino as Dan Buyer, who's a huge Seahawks
fam but he point out, which I think is right,
which is like genus miss good enough, ain't that great,
but he's not terrible.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
He's good enough.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
And then we got Donald Baker Mayfield, the other guy
who quote unquote failed or didn't stick at their first spot,
but then gets additional opportunities down the road and teams
are having success with them. One reason they're having success
is those guys aren't making top dollars, so there's more
talent around them.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
And the other reason is these guys have been through
the league.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
But I guess my question is, you know there's been
this push over the last I don't know, fifteen years.
Always play the guy early, and these are guys that
all played early and all flamed out.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Is this you know? Now we're watching JJ McCarthy City year.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Should we be rethinking that considering how many quarterbacks have
had success in their second stop because they played too early.
Speaker 11 (42:31):
Yeah, I think that's a real thing. I think that
we've seen in different spots. I mean, I think whether
or not the Shaun Kaiser was ever going to be good,
they forced him into action. When you think about him
his rookie year, he's like, well, Hugh Jackson, like he's
our best quarterback in the rockstc Well, that don't mean
you should play him because you can ruin him. You know,
you think about Carr's brother down in Houston and how
he got just obliterated, and then you can talk about
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these I've always believed that you should let a quarterback sit.
You know, I did it for seven weeks when I
was a GM My first round cored draft quarterback sat.
We were zero to seven. Doug he comes in and
we beat the Green Bay Packers, and you know, it's like, wow, Okay,
so now we've got some hope on this organization. Everybody
started believing in it, and he had to just kind
of sit and learn. And I think that's not a
bad thing. You can point to a lot of quarterbacks.
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You can point to a few that, you know, Week one,
they go in and they play. But I think more
often than not, the more they can sit and watch
for a little bit. But the thing that's critical to
me is if they can, they've got to find a
way to get some tape during that rookie season, whether
that's mop up duty or a solo start, or somewhere
along line where they can at least have something to
really look at. And that's why I think was critical
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for Patrick Mahomes, even though it was the one game
against the Denver broncly through two interceptions the first still
in the game, you're like, Okay, who decides to make
that throw like that? That's not normal, And so you
just already knew that this is gonna be great. He's
gonna have a lot of chance to learn on this
and kind of grow with it. So it's getting some tape,
but I think the patient is the virtue. I still
think Drake makes could have started this week in my opinion,
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based off of the schedules they have in front of them,
I think it would have been the perfect times when
serge Drake may going forward. Obviously, you know, coach Mayo
sees that differently, but you know, I don't think we're
too off from watching Drake May take over that Patriots team.
I feel like it should have been against the Dolphins,
but obviously they see it different.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Dolphins are kind of screwed here, right because they have
so much money tied up in Tua that they can't
go out and get another quarterback in the off season,
and if they're bad, they got to I guess draft
a quarterback, but then you just signed to it to
a big extension.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
And as as I've read, and you tell me if I'm.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Wrong, the way in which he gets paid and he
gets off the books is if somebody makes him retire,
but you can't make him. If he decides to retire
on his own, well, then he's not going to get
nearly all the money.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
So what do you do.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Let's start with short term your Chris career. What do
you do in Miami? Because Skyler Thompson's don't appear to
be good.
Speaker 11 (44:53):
Enough right Uh, you know in Huntley either, And I
think that's where you know you've got I think they
looked at as soon as this happened. I think everybody
kind of put their eye within the organization in the
bye week and said, Okay, let's see where two is
after the buye. There's no reason to rushing back over
the next few games. Let's get through these and then
kind of reassess where to it is, where his mindset is, family,
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et cetera. I think that I think to your point
is what no matter what happens to it and the
rest of the season, I think the Dolphins have to
be a buyer in the draft at rookie quarterback, probably
either around one or round two for sure, because you
have to bounce yourself, and you can because that contract
is so affordable in terms of quarterback that you can
still have the highest pay, you know, one of the
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high paid quarterbacks in the league, and still invest the
first or second round pick that's going to cost you
two and a half to you know, maybe three million
dollars a year on average over the first four years.
Maybe less detendent where you take him. If it's like
the the twentieth kick in the draft or something like that,
it's gonna be less expensive as you keep going on.
But I think you have to build your franchise to
protect it always, especially deposition, And I think that's the
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mindset you have to have. And I don't think it's
another veteran. I think if you feel like to him
might be able to do it, you go with it.
I look at this one and like I said, I
think you don't pressure to it a coming back if
he comes back, he does. If he does and he doesn't,
But the draft is your only way out of a situation.
It's not finding Baker Mayfield. You've got to find a
young quarterback that you can have on a rookie salary
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for three or four years, because if you go get
a veteran who plays well from one season, suddenly he's
gonna want thirty five forty five to sixty five million
dollars in a dolphin whole bible to do up for
two more years.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
It's a bit of a conundrum. Mark, great stuff has
always been enjoyed the football. I know there's been just
terrible stories of everybody down in Tampa with the weather,
with the hurricane. We hope everybody close to you and
that you know is safe. I know you're in Nashville
at the time, but still it's still obviously a big
topic and our thoughts and prayers go out to everyone
down in Tampa.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Mark, thanks so much for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (46:50):
Thanks I appreciating me on enjoying the games yourself. Fuddy
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only two groups of people that didn't like last night
were Brewer fans and Buccaneer fans. It's not really like
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a huge group of Buccaneer fans. Brewer fans and I
live around all of them. They are like, how could
you just say that, what an amazing night? Amazing night?
And hear the Brewer were what was it? Two outs away,
two outs away from from advancing and a three run
home run changes all that. And then of course Kirk
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Cousins throws a pick late in the fourth corner, only
to get another opportunity that they come back, tie it,
send it to overtime and win on this final pass.
This was the final pass of regulation, by the way,
which send it to overtime.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Oh this is sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
This is Kirk Cousins on the final pass of regulation
with time running out.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
They were living dangerously. The call came in. It was
it was a ball's got to go to the sideline.
You know, every route was to the sideline. And then
he changed his mind. He said, you know what, Kirk
ripped his slant and let's let's clock it and see
if we can do it. And uh, we were able
to do it by the second.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Really amazing. Here's Cousins in the locker room of his
team after the game. Here's Rahee Morris, the new head
coach Atlanta Falcons, said this about Cadero Hodge.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
It was not just about him. We talked about this thing, Tory,
and we said we got here. We said this team
was created with our old team that's on an organization
with fifty three man roster, with all the sixteen practice
squad guys. We said, its one big team we're all
together and he's no different. And when his numbers called
two weeks in a row scoring a touchdown, what is
on special teams, whether it's on offense. Excited to know
who he is and what he's made of and what
he is about.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I mean, just really really incredible for Hodge. And of
course he catches that ball as just a I mean,
I don't know, we used to call it a button hook, right,
just turns catches bad tackling by Tampa and like the
Red Sea at parts and number twelve runs in for
a touchdown with like eight forty to go in overtime.
Just kind of an amazing end to a football game, right,
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amazing end to a football game. This is coming on
the heels, an amazing end to the baseball game. Here's
my question of today. Okay, Falcons come from behind and win,
and everything we thought about Kirk Cousins may in fact
be incorrect.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Kirk Cousins was known as a guy who couldn't play
in the big games. He was the primetime killer, he
was the guy who got too tight. Of course, he
went on the road and beat the Saints in the playoffs,
and people thought, well, maybe that's that eliminates it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, it's not big enough.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And then now he's two and zero in primetime games
in Atlanta Falcons uniform, this later on his career, coming
off an Achilles ten in tear. So the part of
it is, it takes incredible fortitude and mefmental toughness to
play long enough to eventually overcome these narratives. Lebron James
did it. And I'm not saying Kirk Cousins is Lebron James,
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but Lebron James. Remember, we go back to the Dallas
series and he was seen as a guy who wasn't
ready for the big moment. Then he was ready for
the big moment, and then he's since won four NBA
titles and now he's won another gold medal. And part
of it is we do jump to conclusions a little bit.
I know, I have friends who played with him in
Minnesota and they all said it was a real thing.
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He was clearly tight when they would play the bigger games,
the standalone games, the primetime games. But as most of
us do, as you age, you can process things a
little bit better. And the best thing about Kirk Cousins
is I don't think he's acting like I think the
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rohole Russell Wilson thing, the id aug shucks, I'm trying
to be a good guy, and also things I think
he's acting.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I don't think Kirk Cousins is.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I think he's just a dorky, nerdy dad who's really
good at football, and he leans into that. And once
you can kind of be yourself and not try to
be anybody else and just go play football, that's.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
When you can ultimately be successful.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And oh yeah, by the way, be embraced for it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Be embraced for it.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But here's the question of the day I have, and
I know I'll give you my answer to it. And
I understand there's more at stake when there's playoffs and
regular season, But isn't the ending of baseball better than
the ending of football? Even at the ending of football
was equally kind of quick, right, It did feel like, Wait,
the Falcons are gonna they're gonna lose this game. No weight,
they got it back, no weight, they're gonna run out
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of time, no weight, they got it done.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They kick a field goal, then you go to.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Overtime, and then one, you know, then this one play
just a really quick, you know, little route usually against
the zone. Just a little dig route ends up being
a touchdown. But I wonder if baseball's ending is better
because of essentially the three point play, right, the home
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run is worth three runs in this particular instance, I
don't know which ending did you think was better?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Which ending do you think is more memorable?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And as much as right now we're gonna say the
Mets a couple things won. It wasn't the end of
the game. The Brewers did get a chance to hit
it again. Secondly, we're going to forget about great early playoff,
wild card divisional round matchups. That's just the reality of it,
just the reality of it. And it's still the Brewers
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and Matts. It's not the Yankees or the Dodgers. On
the other hand, we're talking Falcons in Tampa and Thursday
night football and a streaming service. If it's me, I
think it's baseball because the baseball moment is and Jase
dou I'm going to credit you because you said it.
It's the baseball. It can be really hard to watch,
can be a really long and really boring, and you'll
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sit with people that don't like baseball and go.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Like, why do you watch this crap.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Why it's so slow, it's so boring, there's too many games,
and then you're like, okay, watch the playoffs and you're
still like, yeah, it's too nothing, like there's nothing really
to this. And they walk a guy and get it
hits first and third, and now all of a sudden,
everybody gets hype and wait, he just hit one out
of the park and now you're down three too, Just
like that, Jase, do which ending was better for you?
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Well, just to clarify something, I'm never bored by baseball.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I will no, no, no no, But people are.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Okay, no, no, I understand that sentiment. What my point was,
major League Baseball has done a lot in recent years
to piss me off. Whether it's now we're allowed to
celebrate after every single whether it's now let's fade the
lights on every home run and let's have blaring music
between innings, and let's speed up the game that I
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didn't think needed, speed it up, and speed it up.
But moments like last night make me fall in love
with the sport again. That's my point. You see something
like that and like, that's why I'm never gonna leave
this game.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
All right, how about you? I was Sam which ending
was better.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I'm gonna go with the Mets as well.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
I thought that was one of the best Thursday night
football games I've ever seen, at least from, you know,
scoring an entertainment the scoring an entertainment point of view,
but that ending for the Mets and just where the
Mets have been and like what kind of franchise they
are that was that was very memorable.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Okay, wait, that one.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I have to kind of slam the brakes down for
a second because that's one of those Met woe is
Me sentiment that's not actually close to being accurate. And
I'm not saying you are. I think to what you're
doing is you're following the narrative. Mets fans act like
all they do is suck, and they've always sucked. And
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it's been like forty years in the you know, forty
years in the desert, right when this is their second
playoff appearance. In the last three years, they won one
hundred and one games. Two years ago, Yes, COVID year
they were terrible. After COVID year, they were bad. They
have alternated in between bad years. But if you want
to go in the last ten years, they've won ninety
eighty seven, seventy seventy seven, eighty six, the COVID year
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they won twenty six seventy seven, one hundred and one,
seventy five eighty nine. Where is the woe is me?
The Mets have been bad for a long time. I'm
waiting for it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
They don't fall for that, Sam, don't fall for I.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
Don't think it comes to mind when I think about
the Mets except for their World Series appearance nine years ago.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Honestly, they just they didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
How many well, how many other teams have been in
the World Series since?
Speaker 6 (09:15):
Uh, every many years since two teams each year?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I understand how many other teams? By point?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Like, how many World Series are the Dodgers been the
dominant team in the National League? Howny World Series are
the Dodgers been to in that same period.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
Of time three at least?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Okay, and that's the most dominant team. Like, it's really
really hard. They haven't been a joke. They have been
a laughing stock in baseball. Damn in the Chicago White
Sox right now, they just haven't Like now the Mets,
if you want to say they've been guilty of anything.
There was a long time there where they kind of
mirrored the Knicks in that they would never just be
super bad to end up being really, really good. But
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I'm just the whole reason that the Mets have gotten
discussed over the last decade is just like the.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Jets, just like Syracuse.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Is half of the half of the people in our
profession went to Syracuse and our Nicks Mets Jets fans.
Speaker 8 (10:13):
Oh, it's so true. It is one hundred percent true.
The Mets were treated like the team that had their
manager leave them for their rival, that had their star
player be injured in the middle of the season and
not be able to return, that they had their best
pitcher leave because they weren't willing to pay him enough
money and had another starting pitcher be injured. That's how
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the Mets were treated last night. Oh and by the way,
that was the Brewers. And the guy who was not
running the Mets front office was the guy who built
the Brewers team as we know it as of now,
David Stearns, who had been rumored to be going to
the Mets for years and years and years and finally
took over as their president of baseball operations.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Listen, the Mets have the number one payroll in all
of baseball. Okay, three hundred and seventeen million dollars. The Brewers, who,
as Dan properly pointed out, their manager left for the Cubs.
Do you know how bad that hurts? Do you understand
what it's like in Milwaukee? Walking is like an hour
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and a half in Chicago to lose them to the Cubs.
They have the twenty first payroll and then they've lost
picture after picture their best players on the shelf. Tried
to fight through it with the back issue.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah. Again, I'm just Sam.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I'm not saying I don't know more about baseball than
you do, but I'm just telling you all of this
is that it's a media create.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
What less so about the narrative is actually my point
more so just the ending and how they advanced. I mean, yes,
I the narrative played into my opinion a little bit.
But if you have the highest payroll in baseball and
you're underwhelming, and really nothing was expected of them this
year and they outperformed, I thought that's cool.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Well, they had injuries to start the years. What you
know they did last year? They had injuries, crazy injuries
in in spring training, right, I mean, you had Diaz
was the best closure in baseball two years ago, and
then he gets hurt. They had just a litany of
other injuries. They scrap everything to spend a bunch of money.
I mean, you spend three hundred million dollars, you don't
make the playoffs, Like, dude, what so buyer? What do
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you think what's better?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Ending?
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Well, I mean baseball was.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
I mean, as much as I wanted the Brewers to win,
and I don't live and die with the Brewers, but
if I picked any team to win a World Series,
it would be then that would be the team that
I cheered for. And when Pete Alonso hit the home run,
there was a bit of a sinking feeling. And you
can't deny walk single and home run, and all of
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a sudden it's a completely different ballgame.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Is that? Ending?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Is what postseason baseball is about?
Speaker 8 (12:43):
And in fact, to me, on a grander scale, it
verified or validated what Major League Baseball wanted to do.
And now you're making more interesting games. You may not
like the three game series, but you can't argue what
last night you provided drama in an area that was
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never mindy before. It's like you find gold in an
area that you had no idea could actually be there.
So I give them credit for all of that, but yeah,
it's still stung.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Oh man, what it ended, and it was so weird.
So let me give you can' I give you my
night real quick again. Had a question, Dan, I'm sorry, No,
I just.
Speaker 8 (13:21):
You know, there's another part of this is did you
guys hear the Bob Buker call. Yeah, you guys heard
about I don't know if we have it in the system.
I've got it on my computer if you needed to
play it. But this is the other part of it.
And Christian Yelich was in the Brewers dugout last or
excuse me clubhouse last night and was in tears, not
because they lost, but because of the conversation that he
had with Bob Yuker, who went around to each player
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in the post game show, and Bob Bucher's ninety and
there's no idea when Bob Bucher is finally going to
hang things up. But it was an emotional call. So
for as great as the Mets call was, and that
was getting all the pub, I actually do have the
Brewers ca so that's yeah, that's that's my bad.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
That's my bad on that.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
No, it's just the the different window was open. Here
was what here's what it sounded like with Bob Yuker
last night and calling the final out of that game three.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Well, New York they did it.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
We'll have it in.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Really a crushing into what was a fabulous season for
the Milwaukee Brewers.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
That one had.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Some string on it.
Speaker 8 (14:48):
So that was Bob Uker And so I think that
that hits home to a lot.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Of a lot of places last night. So that made
my heart hurt a little bit.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
Yeah, but mister New York Sam Ia Sam over there,
we call New York Sam.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, you know New York Sam. Oh, the poor they
haven't done anything.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It's just, oh gosh, this ragtag bunch of losers that
got picked up on the street, off the waiver wire
and thrown together at the last moment. Somehow overcame the
lofty payroll and uh and made it to another round
of the playoffs. I love Sam, God lamb for Sam. Yes,
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that yeah, that one. That one's Byron.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
I Byron.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I know how this and this is like it's like
it's Jason Smith's a perfect example, right.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I love Jason.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
He's on at Night with Mike with with Mike Harmon,
But he talks about the Mets as if they've been
the old Brooklyn Dodgers.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
Clearly, Jason, Jason Smith and Rich Davis have brainwashed me
with all their constant, just repetition of takes about the
Mets are the lovable loser New York Sam.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Big York's Big. I like Big Apple, Sam, Yeah, Big,
I like Big Apple.
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the best walkoffs we'd ever seen. Obviously, I want to
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get to that. Also want to talk a little about
last night's Falcons Bucks. We'll do that in a second. Reminder,
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I know you have a bunch of things you want
to get into on last night's football game, and I
respect that. I do want to hear from Jason Stewart
because he has forever picked apart the NFL and the
play of the NFL, more specifically the play of the
offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
In the NFL.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Then last night we see a shootout, terrible tackling. I'm
not going to I'm not going to deny that, but
we do see a shootout in the NFL. Is it
possible that your Zoruba claim was based upon the first
four weeks, which now we're kind of out of that
quarter pole a little bit, and you know those first
four weeks the Patriots, you use those as extended preseason.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
I think the question is do I still think we're
in zuopa and do I still think the product is weak?
I think there are exceptions to the rule on a
weekly basis. My feeling all along. I'm just I'm just
going to clarify my opinion is that the overall product
in general of the NFL is down. It's somewhat unwatchable
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at times. I have to watch it because of work,
but if I didn't, I would choose not to. The
only reason people tune in is because they have fantasy
interest and betting interest, or if you're interested in one
of the two teams. And my my theory here about
Zuropa has nothing to do with offense or defense has
to do with if you're sitting there, does it pass
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the eye test. It's like if you watch a movie
and it just doesn't it's underwhelming. Maybe you can't, you know,
put your finger on what makes it that way. It
just leaves you underwhelmed. And that's how I feel at
the end of most NFL games. So last night, I
guess maybe an exception to the rule, but the defense
was dreadful. I mean, the Bucks couldn't stop anybody at
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the end. In the first half, nobody was stopping anybody.
So I don't know what to make of last night.
The ending was really special, and I guess that's what
the NFL could tell.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You, right ending by your thoughts.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
It was a crazy game, and I just it's again.
I said this on the I Want Your Flex podcast,
and I'll say it here. It's a reason number nine million,
two hundred thousand and forty three why you shouldn't bet
on the National Football League because you just don't know
what's going to happen, and there are times when you
think that your bet is cashed in and it isn't.
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And there were various points with three minutes or less
to go in that game where if you were on
the side of the Buccaneers, so I believe were about
a one point underdog heading into the game, that you
felt that your bet was going to cash in, and
then in the end Falcons end up covering because of
overtime and because of everything that happened with it. I
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am in a picks thing. I did have the Buccaneers.
I didn't put a lot of weight on them in
the weighted pool, but it did make me realize a
lot of the things that were going on in the
final three minutes were just absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, listen, I mean my pick obviously yesterday was I
thought Atlanta would cover. I didn't think they would win,
and I had the under which I was completely off on.
But it was It's like the old John Wooden expression,
never was it, never was it something activity for achievement,
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never mistaken activity for achievement, right, And so you could
use that in sports to say, never mistaken a close
game for a good game.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
There was actually some spectacular play offensively. I did think
the defense was bad. I'll also point out Jason that
while Tampa's defense wasn't good in the first half, the
tackling I think at the end of the game is
that's fatigue. That's what fatigue looks like. You can't do
things you normally can't do. I thought they got tired.
Part of the reason they got tired was they weren't
good on the games around the field. Both the teams
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are on the field. Defense were on the field a
lot and running around chasing dudes a lot. But I
did think it was a fun, fun game, fun game.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
And part of the reason why the Bucks were tired
was because they were just on the field prior to
the coin toss of overtime, sure where they were a
bit gassed and allowing the Falcons to drive down the
field and kick the game tying field goal, And there's
even more to the point. Falcons were favored by a
point and a half last night. So the Falcons were up,
and let me just if I can just have two
minutes to break this down. With a first and ten
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at the Atlanta thirty two yard line, the Buccaneers are
up thirty to twenty seven. That's when Bucky Irving ends
up fumbling and Atlanta recovers and you're saying, oh, no,
woe is me? What's going on with the rookie. Well,
then the Buccaneers defense steps up gets the sack of
Kirk Cousins, and now the Falcons have a decision to
make fourth and fifteen from their own twenty down three,
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but they have all three timeouts a minute fifty two
to go, and they decide to go for it, which
actually thought that they should, because if the Falcons get
the Buccaneers get a first down, who cares, They'll just
run out the clock. Yeah, absolutely, So they end up
going for it. Levante David intercepts the ball on fourth down.
(21:55):
Sure why why?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I don't know?
Speaker 8 (21:59):
Yeah, that's the question. I don't know, because at that
point it's fourth and fifteen. But you also think we'll
all pick it off because the game's over. Well, that
cost them seven yards of field position. In that instance,
if you would have just knocked the pass down, it
would have been first and ten at the twenty yard line.
Atlanta would have three timeouts, very difficult to get out
of field goal range. But somehow the Buccaneers found themselves
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getting out of field goal range because of a holding
penalty that backed them up all the way to the
forty three yard line, and they didn't want to try
a long field goal only up by three refs missed
a face mask call on a run by Bucky Irving
on that holding play that completely went against Tampa, and
so the thought process of Atlanta with their three timeouts
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was played correctly then because of what Levante David didn't do,
and then of the holding penalty that the Falcons or
the Buccaneers ended up getting long story short fourth and
twenty fourth from the forty two, Bucks punted back to
Atlanta that allows them to drive down and get the
field goal. But there were about four opportunit unities that
the Buccaneers didn't get a break on or messed up
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in that last three minutes that allowed Atlanta to get
New Life Stug.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. And then
you have baseball, which a series of things have to
had to go wrong for Atlanta to come back and
win that game. And though there were a series of
things that went wrong for the Brewers, obviously it was
basically three things that kind of went wrong. I do
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think that baseball is unique and different in that I mean, literally,
one pitch changes the game. Now, what's crazy about it is,
you know Devin Williams, who, by the way, I don't
know if we have Devin Williams sound, but you want
to talk about a guy getting it in terms of accountability,
like he was amazing. You know, so many times we
see athletes and they make excuses, they don't want to
(23:52):
talk to the media, or they're very like, they're very
combative towards me. I mean, it just has to be
devastating towards it towards a guy that here's a here's
a guy who's had a great season, right and he
ends up giving up a home run which dramatically changes
the course of Brewer's history and maybe of Met's history.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Now, it should be pointed out that as.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I told everyone I know is anytime somebody gives up
either a rally or a home run that changes the
game in the ninth inning, it all feels like it
starts the same. I was, Sam, do you know what
it usually starts with no walking the first hitter? Like
I would love to see somebody needs that. One of
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us needs to call Elias. I don't have the number
for all, not a kid named Elias, Elias Sports Bureau
and find out how many of these come from behind
ninth inning home runs or walk offs were preceded by
walking the first patter?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I mean by it? How many times have we seen this?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I mean, look even the who walked that Dave Roberts
end up pinch running for with the Red Sox, which,
of course, the Yankees were up three games none, and
Game four was changed by Dave robert steeling second base
and then then a single knocks him in and it
forever changed the course of the Red Sox history as
they were. You know, they had the Curse of the
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Bambino before that. The walk of the first hitter almost
always means something bad's gonna happen, right. It's like the
opening scene of a horror movie. You're just trying to
find out who's going to die. You're like, huh, who's
going to die in this group? Okay, the biggest star
in the movie is not going to die. Everybody else
probably very much in danger. I think the exact same
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thing when I watch Major League Baseball's playoffs, and I
was like, ninth inning. You know, we can really start eighthning,
but ninth inning the rally always starts with the with
the walk of the of the first hitter, always, or
at least it feels that way.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Feels that way.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Did you have doubt, Buyer when you're watching and you
see Devin Williams, I mean, was it especially sharp? I
don't know if he was overthrowing or if he was tired.
Did you think, oh boy, this is not going to
go good.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
Well, I think that every Brewer fan probably remembers back
to twenty nineteen when Josh Hater came in against the Nationals.
That was an eighth inning situation and they ended up
giving up three runs in the eighth inning and losing
that game, allowing Washington to then go on their run
to ultimately win the World Series. So that's nothing that's
(26:18):
nothing new to Milwaukee. I don't know how you could
have asked for a better situation though, being you got
your back to back home runs in the in the
seventh inning, so then you're six out of way at
that point. Wasn't like it was a one nothing game.
You have a little bit of a cushion with the
two nothing game, so I didn't. I wasn't counting the
chickens before they were hatched. But I think that there
(26:40):
may have been some trepidation from the past. But two
to zero with your closer, who's been, you know, pretty
darn good all year, Yeah, I think you're fine with that.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Here's Devin Williams is a closer for the Brewers. After
the game, really good teams here. Where does this one
rank in terms of like just the special feeling you
guys had and you know, the unity and every thing
and what you're able to accomplish this year.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
This is the closest to I would say that I've
played on you.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
You know. That's why it makes it that much more disappointed.
You know, everyone did their job except for me job.
You know, I feel like I'll let everything down here.
That's hard.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
That's that's the old man in the arena stuff, right, like, hey,
everybody wants that ball to go out and send your
team on in the playoffs. Everyone wants to go to
the NLCS. Everybody, And uh yeah, that that's a hard one.
Everybody did their job except for me. There is no
more accountable statement than that. And I didn't think he
(27:52):
said it for sympathy. I said it be I think
he said it because it feels like it's fact, and
it's hard to argue that fact, you know, Like it
wasn't like somebody misplayed a ball. Now he walked the
opening or then he gave up a single first and third,
like that was all him. The home run was him,
nobody else touched it.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Now, have you guys watched the John Boy the deal
where it looks like he was tipping pitches? Jaysetud did
you go watch when I.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Haven't watched it yet. I didn't even hear about that.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, So it looks like Williams when he's when he's
throwing a fastball, he digs deeper into his gloves so
he holds it a little bit differently. When he's going
to do a change up, his hand is different because
he has to he gets like his I don't know
if he's doing a circle change. He's got more of
his hand over the over the ball. So if you
watch before Alonso goes up to bat, I don't know
(28:48):
if it's a hitting coach or or if the skipper
grabs him and you could see it, they say like
something something change up.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
And so he goes up there and he was not.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
He was not swinging at the change up, which is
his best pitch is he was swinging at the fastball,
fastball up and away, and he takes it out of
the park.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Like that whole thing is just amazing. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I know, I'd live in Wisconsin now and I love
the I do love how the Brewers have treated me personally,
and this is an amazing team. And what people should
know is kind of what Dan Byer pointed out to
start the show, which is, like, dude, you lose your
manager to the Cubs, that one stings. They've lost a
litany of pitchers to injury, their best player is on
the show for the rest of the year, like this
(29:29):
was a kind of a miracle season. Obviously, postseason baseball
is so different, and the Mets, you could point out
they underachieved most of the year before making an incredible
run to get into the playoffs. But that's a three
hundred million dollars plus payroll, number one payroll in Major
League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
They should have been there.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
All that said, you know, you're a couple of pitches
away from beating the Mets, And Devin Williams said it
right like it was all on him. What a night
in sports?
Speaker 5 (29:57):
I do.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I think of Scott Van Pelt.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
He always says sports better than their reality show and
then he goes and that's what.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
That's what last night's was.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
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Speaker 2 (30:15):
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Speaker 1 (30:22):
Look at You, Sammy, That's New York Sam on the
ones and twos.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Mmm, they call me the Big Crab Apple Real.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Huey Lewis is like in Montana. What happened where he
can't perform anymore? Is his voice or his hand.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
It's something with his vocal cords.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Man that sucks. Huey Lewis and the news. If you're
in the band and they say are you in the band? Yeah,
what band you in, I'm in the news or do
you say I'm with Huey Lewis and we're the News?
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Could be confusing.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It could be very confusing because even though the News
was part of Huey Lewis The News, I don't know
if anybody would have known them.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
As the News.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Just anyway, big story in the in the NFL outside
of last night. I want to get to the last
night's game in a second with Mark Dominic of course,
former Joe manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. Aaron Rodgers possibly
reuniting with DeVante Adams. Davante Adams has preferred to be traded.
Most people think his preferred destinations be the Jets for
of Aaron Rodgers, or with Derek Carr with an Orleans Saints,
(31:31):
other teams in need of a wide receiver, potentially a
Buffalo or maybe a Kansas City. Here's Aaron Rodgers when
he was asked about Davante Adams.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
I don't know how much I can say about it,
this tampering, but I still have a close friendship with him.
We spent time in the off season together. He's a
great guy and great player and thrust that out of
my hands.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Here's Aaron Rodgers talking about grass being greener.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
The grass is green where you water it. You know,
there's the fear mongering that goes along with the adage
that the grass is not always greener on the other side.
But the grass is green where you're water and you
put the time, and you put intention and attention to
whatever you're doing, and you can make a special situation
out of being anywhere.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Okay, that sounds good, but it feels like the opposite.
It does feel like both of those guys thought, you know, thought,
hey man, we're really gonna this is gonna be awesome
in our new spot. Now you find out your new
spot is wildly dysfunctional. Raiders and Jets, let's welcome in
Mark dominic.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Mark.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Let me ask you first, Devonte Adams, what's his values?
It's one you're left in this deal doesn't appear to
be the same player, but some of it is also
who he's playing with. What's his value in the open market,
on the trade market.
Speaker 11 (32:45):
Yeah, Doug, I think it's a good question. I don't
know if you can get a one for DeVante Adams
just be hard pressed to do that. As an organization.
I do think a two would be something that you
would think you could easily ask for. I mean, obviously
the Raiders gave up a one and the two to
acquire him a few years back, but I think a
two is probably fair market value. I think a one
would be really stretching or pushing it.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
All Right, what about the idea of joining Rogers or
joining Derek Carr.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
What's a better fit?
Speaker 11 (33:15):
Well, I mean, I guess you know, Garrett Wilson has
been is you know, double team and triple teams and
so to get I think, you know, DeVante Adams. The
Jets to me seems like a little bit better of
a spot, and I think it's a better you know,
possible u ending the center. Obviously, in contention, you know
last night's game was I think it is good for
the things that was obviously for the Alanta Falcons. The
(33:37):
sad thing I think when I look at this whole thing,
Doug is here, you've got the Raiders. We're playing the
Denver Broncos who are two and two, and the Raiders
are two and two, and if you win this game,
they're kind of in the playoff run and everybody's like
get rid of the player, like it's just, you know,
it'd be one thing at the Raiders center four and
zero and four and you're like, well, you got to
trade Devonte Adams. They're just two and two and they
(33:57):
can beat the Denver Broncos. I think they're good at
to do that. And they're three and two and suddenly
your star receiver doesn't want to be there when you
actually are in the hunt for the playoffs. That's the
sad part of this whole conversation. In my opinion, I.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Would agree with you. I would completely agree with you.
Let's get to last night's game. Your biggest takeaway is what.
Speaker 11 (34:17):
Tackling need to improve in the National Football League. There
was a lot of miss tackles out there in the field.
That's why we saw so many points. You know, I
was going to I was pretty disappointed in Raheem Morris's
decision at halftime to punt the ball. I think it's
the first time I saw the punt of the entire game,
and it was only nineteen seconds left and I'm like
to go for it. You know, see what you can
do here because no one really could stop anybody. But
I think it goes down to the beauty is the
(34:40):
game isn't over till it's over. And you could see
that there were some throws last night, but there was
Baker Mayfield's gorgeous touchdown paths or a couple that Kirk
Cousins said. They just let their guys go make plays. Yeah,
the placement was unbelievable, but it was just as like
a good thing. Nothing bad happened. But that's the difference
between a veteran quarterback and a quarterback that's gunshi ers
scared to make a play like what's happened to Bryce
(35:01):
Young where he doesn't even make that throat because he's
so afraid of what's going to happen. So two gun
players just letting it out and trusting that their playmakers
are better than the defenders and proved true all night.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
How were we so? And I say we, I'm not
saying you.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I would say national media very off about the NFC South.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
It's early, Okay, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Early, But how can we be so off about the
NFC South, a division which people are like, I don't
really know.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I think something can be good now. It appears to
have some several good teams. How do we miss I
don't know if.
Speaker 11 (35:34):
We missed either though, Doug. Yet, you know, I picked
up the beginning the preseason the Valcot to win the division.
Tampa had me on the ropes last night for a
little bit there and had a chance to really kind
of pull some separation. I still feel like there's only
going to be one team that comes out of the South.
I still feel like there's going to be two that
come out of the North. I think there's going to
be two that come out of the East and two
that come out of the West and just went out
(35:55):
of South, and so I think what you're seeing is, yes,
they are good football teams, but over time, because they're
going to be playing each other, they're going to beat
each other up. By still from ten and seven is
going to be as good as you get out of
the South. But you know, it's still way too early
to call that. You know, Tampa lost the game last night.
In my opinion, Atlanta took advantage of it. For Kirk
Cousins continues to prove why you know, he's very disrespected
(36:18):
but still can put some magic numbers together. Even when
Matt Ryan's getting a jersey retired.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Why is he so disrespected?
Speaker 11 (36:25):
That's the playoff record. You know, it's hard to think
of anything. I think it's you know, his emotional house
person will never forget you like that, and then you
kind of sit there and say, yeah, but it's kind
of like the old Matt hasseback. We're going to get
the ball and win the game, and it doesn't work out,
and you're like, oh, that was a great quote. You know.
Kirk Cousins's kind of been the same way. His postseason
hasn't matched up to his accolades in the regular season
(36:46):
a little bit like Dak Prescott, and I think that's
why he's kind of always been that. He's good, not great.
But you know, you're talking about a fifth game coming
off of an achilles. They spent a lot of time
last night talking about his plants, but on the broadcast,
that's an impressive performance. You know, to go out there
as five hundred yards, I mean one of those league
is a past happy league with five hundred yards, that's
(37:06):
an amazing accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
No, I mean, he was on pace last year to
throw for six thousand yards before he got four.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
He got hurt. So let's sprinkle around the rest of
the Nation Football League.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Jane Danis continues to play well, Like how much of
it is Kingsbury, how much of it is Daniels.
Speaker 11 (37:25):
Yeah. I think it's a wonderful combination. And I think
that's why, you know, we talked about him early in
the season in what he's been able to do and
what I think he's going to be able to accomplish.
This is a young guy that went to the right
offensive coordinator who knows how to use an athletic quarterback
that understands that fundamentally he can throw first and he's
putting them in great spots. But I mean that's complete
percentages out of sight and that is processing. But the
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coaches talk about it. Dan Quinn talked about it, Clise
kny Berrys talked about it. The guy grinds, he works
his tailoff. They say it, they spent. They've talked about it.
And that was part of my reason why I had
him as rookie the year before the season started, because
I had talked to some people in the commander's organization
and like, this guy's different. And you know, as a
young quarterback, you think you know how much work it's
going to be until you're actually there, and then as
(38:09):
you're a veteran You've kind of seen different guys come
through the building, and he had everybody's eyeballs in terms
of like this guy really does of this guy's really working,
and it's awesome to see it pay off. To see
them at three and one and have a chance to
go to four and one against the Cleveland Browns. You know,
it's impressive and it also speaks to Dan Quinn and
his ability to help lead players.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Mark Dominicks joining us in the Doug Gottlieb Show Course,
former gentleal manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He joins
his weekly throughout the football season. I wanted to ask
you about the Packers. Obviously got off to slug a
start and some turnovers against the Vikings, end up coming
from behind and making it close. But now a team
that many people thought could win the divisions at two
and two, actually in last place in the NFC North.
Of course, they didn't have their quarterback for a couple
(38:49):
of games. They go out to La take on the Rams.
What's the state of the Packers from your.
Speaker 11 (38:55):
Perspective, Yeah, I think it's trying to find, you know,
the comfort within, you know, getting everybody on the field
at the same time, I think having Jordan Love back
out there is a big piece of it. I know
they came up, like you said, two points short against
the Vikings. They were able to win a couple of
games while he was out, But you know, this is
a nice run for them. I think, you know, they
go out to la which is the team that's obviously
(39:17):
struggling as well. In my opinion, they get to come
home for three to the next four. After that, in
the other road games at Jacksonville, We're gonna learn a
lot about the Packers. But I'm still a big believer.
I still think they're the number two team. As good
as Minnesota has been in Minnesota's schedule gets easier and
easier as this thing goes on. I feel like Minnesota
actually played five their toughest or you know, some of
(39:37):
the toughest games already. To me, I think we underestimated
the North. I know we all felt good about Detroit Lions,
we felt good about the Packers. I didn't see the
spiking teams coming through. I know you were a much
bigger Sam Darnold fan than almost anybody, and you saw
a little bit of the hope and potential there. And
now I think this is going to become a great battle.
But I think three mind Packers are in this. I
(39:58):
think they are a postseason team. I think they'll kind
of write the ship here against the Rams. And then
again they got two straight home games, which is really
big for them.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
No, listen, my thought on Donoald was obviously I've always
liked him, but I also like the fact that one
he has really talented guys too. He's got a i
think stud coach who was a you know, backup journeyman quarterback.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I think that helps. And then the knowledge of the.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
System having been in San Francisco, you know, I mean
so many times these guys start bouncing around as the
backup quarterback and it's either a new system that they
got to learn and teach, or they're just kind of
the spokesperson for that system and they follow around the
same offensive coording or the bringing into what San Francisco
did and then giving him Aaron Jones and Justin Jefferson
and what they have I did see some success.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
The great thing about them, right is that.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
There's no rush for them to, you know, make any
sort of adjustment with j. J. McCarthy because JJ's not
going to be back and we can see if this
is short term long term success.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Is that fair?
Speaker 11 (40:54):
I think it's very fair. I think that's a very
good observation. And I think this is great. You know, this
is the again. I think a Vikings team that schedules
opening up for them, I think it's going to get
me a much easier. I mean, but at the same point,
you know, I think these three teams are all really
a great battle. But when you look at the Viking
down the road and you think about it, you've got Rams, Colds, Jiaguars,
(41:16):
Titaned Bears, Cardinals, Bears. You know, there's a lot of
games over your sending boy, that's a lot that could
be a lot of wins. You know. For JJ, you
know it's going to be you know, sit back and
learn and watch. Not the worst thing for him and
not obviously the worst thing for Sam. Donald's a good
problem to have to have two quarterbacks. You're excited about
an organization that's a that's I'm sure it.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Is interesting, right, I mean, think about last night we
saw cousins Gino as Dan Buyer, who's a huge Seahawks
fam but he point out, which I think is right,
which is like genus miss good enough, ain't that great,
but he's not terrible.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
He's good enough.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
And then we got Donald Baker Mayfield, the other guy
who quote unquote failed or didn't stick at their first spot,
but then gets additional opportunities down the road and teams
are having success with them. One reason they're having success
is those guys aren't making top dollars, so there's more
talent around them.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
And the other reason is these guys have been through
the league.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
But I guess my question is, you know there's been
this push over the last I don't know, fifteen years.
Always play the guy early, and these are guys that
all played early and all flamed out.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Is this you know? Now we're watching JJ McCarthy City year.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Should we be rethinking that considering how many quarterbacks have
had success in their second stop because they played too early.
Speaker 11 (42:31):
Yeah, I think that's a real thing. I think that
we've seen in different spots. I mean, I think whether
or not the Shaun Kaiser was ever going to be good,
they forced him into action. When you think about him
his rookie year, he's like, well, Hugh Jackson, like he's
our best quarterback in the rockstc Well, that don't mean
you should play him because you can ruin him. You know,
you think about Carr's brother down in Houston and how
he got just obliterated, and then you can talk about
(42:52):
these I've always believed that you should let a quarterback sit.
You know, I did it for seven weeks when I
was a GM My first round cored draft quarterback sat.
We were zero to seven. Doug he comes in and
we beat the Green Bay Packers, and you know, it's like, wow, Okay,
so now we've got some hope on this organization. Everybody
started believing in it, and he had to just kind
of sit and learn. And I think that's not a
bad thing. You can point to a lot of quarterbacks.
(43:14):
You can point to a few that, you know, Week one,
they go in and they play. But I think more
often than not, the more they can sit and watch
for a little bit. But the thing that's critical to
me is if they can, they've got to find a
way to get some tape during that rookie season, whether
that's mop up duty or a solo start, or somewhere
along line where they can at least have something to
really look at. And that's why I think was critical
(43:35):
for Patrick Mahomes, even though it was the one game
against the Denver broncly through two interceptions the first still
in the game, you're like, Okay, who decides to make
that throw like that? That's not normal, And so you
just already knew that this is gonna be great. He's
gonna have a lot of chance to learn on this
and kind of grow with it. So it's getting some tape,
but I think the patient is the virtue. I still
think Drake makes could have started this week in my opinion,
(43:55):
based off of the schedules they have in front of them,
I think it would have been the perfect times when
serge Drake may going forward. Obviously, you know, coach Mayo
sees that differently, but you know, I don't think we're
too off from watching Drake May take over that Patriots team.
I feel like it should have been against the Dolphins,
but obviously they see it different.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Dolphins are kind of screwed here, right because they have
so much money tied up in Tua that they can't
go out and get another quarterback in the off season,
and if they're bad, they got to I guess draft
a quarterback, but then you just signed to it to
a big extension.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
And as as I've read, and you tell me if I'm.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Wrong, the way in which he gets paid and he
gets off the books is if somebody makes him retire,
but you can't make him. If he decides to retire
on his own, well, then he's not going to get
nearly all the money.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
So what do you do.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Let's start with short term your Chris career. What do
you do in Miami? Because Skyler Thompson's don't appear to
be good.
Speaker 11 (44:53):
Enough right Uh, you know in Huntley either, And I
think that's where you know you've got I think they
looked at as soon as this happened. I think everybody
kind of put their eye within the organization in the
bye week and said, Okay, let's see where two is
after the buye. There's no reason to rushing back over
the next few games. Let's get through these and then
kind of reassess where to it is, where his mindset is, family,
(45:14):
et cetera. I think that I think to your point
is what no matter what happens to it and the
rest of the season, I think the Dolphins have to
be a buyer in the draft at rookie quarterback, probably
either around one or round two for sure, because you
have to bounce yourself, and you can because that contract
is so affordable in terms of quarterback that you can
still have the highest pay, you know, one of the
(45:35):
high paid quarterbacks in the league, and still invest the
first or second round pick that's going to cost you
two and a half to you know, maybe three million
dollars a year on average over the first four years.
Maybe less detendent where you take him. If it's like
the the twentieth kick in the draft or something like that,
it's gonna be less expensive as you keep going on.
But I think you have to build your franchise to
protect it always, especially deposition, And I think that's the
(45:55):
mindset you have to have. And I don't think it's
another veteran. I think if you feel like to him
might be able to do it, you go with it.
I look at this one and like I said, I
think you don't pressure to it a coming back if
he comes back, he does. If he does and he doesn't,
But the draft is your only way out of a situation.
It's not finding Baker Mayfield. You've got to find a
young quarterback that you can have on a rookie salary
(46:16):
for three or four years, because if you go get
a veteran who plays well from one season, suddenly he's
gonna want thirty five forty five to sixty five million
dollars in a dolphin whole bible to do up for
two more years.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
It's a bit of a conundrum. Mark, great stuff has
always been enjoyed the football. I know there's been just
terrible stories of everybody down in Tampa with the weather,
with the hurricane. We hope everybody close to you and
that you know is safe. I know you're in Nashville
at the time, but still it's still obviously a big
topic and our thoughts and prayers go out to everyone
down in Tampa.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Mark, thanks so much for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (46:50):
Thanks I appreciating me on enjoying the games yourself. Fuddy
Host
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