October 11, 2024 • 48 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:Doug and Dan Beyer break down the 49ers' win over the Seahawks on Thursday night.
Doug and the crew talk about the most interesting aspects of game five of the NLDS between the Padres and the Dodgers.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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just you're too kind. You're too kind. Well do you think,
guys we look back and then look forward or do
you guys just want to look forward? I here's the
problem with the show today, Dan Bayer and with Big
Apple Sam. The problem is that Jason is so he's
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either really convinced his Dodgers are going to lose or
he's doing the reverse psychology thing because he was convinced
they would lose game four, only they didn't that. There's
just really no going to him today to talk about
the Dodgers because it's all gloom and doom. So I
just like struggle because I want to engage with my
producer and a guy who has literally watched every Dodger
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baseball game this year, But I also know what's coming
out of his mouth, So I don't really want to.
Do you have, buyer, Do you have any advice on
how I should proceed?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, if you look back, you're going to get negativity
from me. If you look forward, you're going to get
negativity from Jason. So pick your poison, Doug.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Why would get negativid from you?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I thought you were talking about looking back at the
Seahawks for whiles.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Oh oh oh, I was sorry. I just went out
bent to baseball. Yeah, yeah, you want to vent? You
want the floor? I mean it's totally cool. I mean,
you know, I would expect the same on your show
if the Chargers or my team at Green Bay or
Oklahoma State, you know, like we could I could vent.
Do you want Do you want a minute?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Well, I'll just say this, I think that a lot
of the conversation is San Francisco now getting back on track. Now,
you wonder when Christian McCaffrey is going to come back,
and Jordan Mason's dealing with his shoulder injury, which they
don't believe is as serious as maybe first feared. But
you still have a short handed backfield heading into a
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game against Kansas City coming up in a week and
a half.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So those are all big deals.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I get it, I get the forty nine ers of
the headliners, but this is also a part of a
twofold conversation, Doug, and one of those sides is that
the Seahawks again have fallen into irrelevancy. Yes, and they
are a team that you really don't need to talk about,
but if you do talk about them, it's like a
two way missing golf. I have no idea what is
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going to show up, both offensively or defensively. And if
you're a Seahawks fan, you look at this last stretch.
It's no shame in losing to the forty nine ers,
and no shame and losing to the Lions. Probably should
have beaten the Giants, but Giants played better than they
did the entire game. And it's the fact of you
let Jared Goff two weeks ago, three weeks ago in
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week four, not throw an incomplete pass in a game.
Then you have the forty nine ers last night run
for over two hundred yards against you, and they are
missing their first round pick, a defensive lineman Byron Murphy.
But that's not the end all be all. Then you
have an offense that can cook with Kenneth Walker the
third running the football something that they were going to
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correct from last week's heirs, and so they give them
the ball this week and they averages two point three
yards per carry. Gino Smith was off last night. Just
have no idea what team is going to show up,
and it's like you don't know if you're going to
hook or slice it, so you can't even prepare for
one or the other. That was my takeaway from last night.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Did you have to go hook or slicet that you
don't know? Like now you've just got my golf game.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That's just not that's what's the best analogy to play?
You know?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I mean the.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Left and then guess what that's when you hit it
straight or you hook.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
One and correct correct. So uh, Jay Stu, I mean, look,
I'm looking on my sheet here and I know you
want me to talk about the Niners in Seattle. But
here's my question, why can't we just be honest? Like
that game meant nothing? It just did now here. Well,
(04:36):
there was one thing I want to take away. I
there is one misconception I should point out, like the
Seahawks uniforms last night were outstanding, right, that you could
admit with damn byer correct, right, Yeah, yeah, I love it.
There is one point about it though, that because I
was thinking about tweeting, Hey, nineties music and uniform are better.
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Don't believe me. Look at the Seahawks and listen to
Pearl Jams catalog. Right. The problem with it is in
the nineties they weren't as clean as clean cut. It wasn't.
It just wasn't. Like they've taken the styles which are
way better, you know, whether it's more form fitting, they're
just cooler fabrics, whatever, and then they've incorporated the color
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schemes and designs of previous years and that's why those
throwbacks are so good. But all of that aside, I
just don't think on any level anyone historically is going
to talk about Niners Seahawks on Thursday night on Amazon
and again that doesn't mean that Dodgers Padres in the
DS lines up with some of the great NLCS or
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World Series moments, but it is These are defining moments
for some of the best players in the sport, and
honestly could be a defining moment for the best player
to ever play this sport. So as much as I
understand where a football culture, the Niners gotta win, Brock
pretty played well. They ran the football all over them.
They suffer more injuries the you know, you look at
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the competition. They're banged up as well with the Seahawks.
But all of that aside, it's a nothing NFL game,
and this is a game with the greatest player in
the history modern history of Major League Baseball in Shohio
Tani and a litany of other all stars, and somebody's
going home after tonight, somebody's going home evernight. I just
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think the Dodgers Padres game is bigger, and even though
we rarely talk about baseball, this is one in which
baseball should should be bigger, at least on the topic
line than what we're doing or what else is going
on in hoops going on in the NBA as well. Agreed, disagree,
discuss Dan byer.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Well, I actually I think that the forty Donner's role
in this is bigger than you're saying. And to compare
playoff baseball to NFL regular season games are a little
tricky when you're talking about legacy and when you're talking
about that sort of conversation. I do think as a
whole more people probably cared about last night, whether it
be for fantasy or betting purposes, sure, or how things
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play out, So they've had maybe more interest in that
game last night than maybe what will happen tonight. I
do think sometimes we get to be prisoners of the
moment or prisoners of our location. And in Southern California,
and I know you're in Wisconsin, but in Southern California,
this is the series, this is the thing everybody's getting
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set for tonight. I don't know how that translates to
the rest of the country, even with the game being
on Fox tonight. I'm not sure that that sort of
message of a NLDS matchup really transcends the rest of
the country, especially in areas where New York and they're
all up in the Yankees and Mets action. Maybe they
don't care who they play. Maybe they are, but especially
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then maybe in other places, I don't know if it
resonates as much.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
All right, well let's let's let's dive in kind of
quickly here to the diners. Kyle Shanney and talked about
the red zone efficiency and Brock Purty, Brock.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Saying that because there's a few plays he could have
been more decisive on and had, but that's not the
whole red zone struggles and you struggle running the ball
and have a lot of great looks and then you
miss a few that we could have scored on. And
Broxson always owned up to that stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
That wasn't really the theme.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
He was real decisive today, made two big time throws
there on third down. Was a step from my direction.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
At least here's Brock Perdy talking about his own performance
as well as George Kittle.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Comes down to that component of trust, man. That's how
that's both of them. Both touchdowns were just a trust factor.
So something that we've continued to grow at, you know,
throughout the offseason and throughout the games that we've played together.
And then tonight it showed really well. So very proud
of him, just seeing Bernardo get his interception Malick on
the defensive side. Man that always fires us.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Up on the offense.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
And then obviously Isaac getting in at the end and
pulling away. For those guys a step in, Man, it's
the NFL, it's you know, the Saint College, and it's
the real deal. You're playing against the best of the best.
And so for those guys to show up on Thursday night,
a primetime game like that, it means a lot to
all of us as a team.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Stut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. So that's it
right now, we're like, Oh, okay, Rock, Perty's back to
being the man. All is right with the Niners. I
would only I would contradict what you're saying, Dan, just
from this perspective that while you're right, it's also quite
fair to say, aren't most teams that up and down?
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And you're talking about your Seahawks. Is your team, But
I mean, the Niners weren't good last week. Go back
through most of these teams. Kansas City has had games
they won that they haven't played well. Can't you say
that about most anybody, but that if you don't like
how somebody plays, wait.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Not in the way that they lose jerged off to again,
didn't throw an incomplete pass in Week four. Last night,
they gave up over two hundred and twenty yards rushing,
including in a spot where they needed to get a
stop at the end of the game. And the first
carry is run seventy six yards by a third string
running back at best. That's even counting Elijah Mitchell, who's hurt,
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so Grenda could be a fourth string running back. So
when you're trying to become relevant in the NFL again,
like the Seahawks are and Russell Wilson is such a
topic conversation, you want to talk about a lose lose
situation in terms of notoriety. Seahawks made the right trade
deal in getting rid of Russell Wilson, but they both
have lost their relevance without having a star quarterback. Right now,
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I think the Seahawks are just I get it, nobody wants.
It's probably why I'm talking about them not being relevant.
It's the only thing that I can really talk about
that I think people would be interested in. But they
got a lot of players that you know names, and
their uniforms look great. I call them the eighties and
nineties throwbacks. I think that they just do it for
the nineties to adhere to that sort of crew. But yeah,
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they're just kind of there. And the forty nine ers
last week probably should have beaten the Cardinals. If you
had a healthy kicker for the entire game, it probably
works out a better for them. But this can also
be a turning point for San Francisco when you look
at the NFC right now and you say, all right,
who is really good? Who's about to make that turn
outside of Minnesota right now and probably Detroit. And I
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think that the forty nine ers getting back to three
and three in a division that is very winnable, I
think this could be looked at as a turning point
for them. By the way, as we have been talking,
Christian McCaffrey will not have his practice window open according
to Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So they don't expect him in Week seven against Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
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Jason Stewart, would you want to add?
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Dan just talked about this rookie here Rendo. That's the name,
that's how we're gonna spell it, here Rendo.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I had a hard gndo Isaac Garrendo.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
I heard Herbstreet last night say out of Louisville, and
I thought about what Doug says about this transfer portal thing.
How when you do transfer after four years and you
play your fifth year for one team, you're you're not
of the team you were with, and you're not of
the team you played your fifth year with. So this
kid plays four years at Wisconsin, and Kirk Hurbstreet says,
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Isaac Correndo out of Louisville, And that kind of proved
Doug's point. But anyways, if you're in this kid's shoes
and you have a chance to score your first NFL touchdown,
and your team is already up by a score, so
putting your team up two scores almost does nothing about
the clock. I think he said he was hearing people
on the sidewine get down. But your first NFL touchdown
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on a seventy plus yard run.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yes, were you?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
How surprised were you that he slid? Why did he slide?
What's the mouth there?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I didn't understand it. I didn't understand either. Plus I
do think it's amazing that you have that. Wherewithal who
was I talking about this with? I was talking about
with oh to it an NFL player, I was stuck
with about how I think it was? With Aj Dillon,
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I was on his podcast. I was talking about how, like,
literally the greatest feeling in sports is when you break through.
And again, I played football until high school, you know,
but I remember being a little running back or being
a quarterback and holding a bootleg and beating guys off
the beating guys to the edge, and then all you
have is guys behind you and you're right and then
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and you realize you see grass and nobody in between
you and the grass, and you look over your left
shoulder and there's nobody coming to get you with the angle.
It's an incredible feeling. Imagine being that woman and she's
got to have a friend or two in Vegas that
hand her handed off to her, you know, her hands
her husband's off to her. And yeah, I mean, it's
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got to be an unbelievable, unbelievable feeling for him to
go and have the seventy seven yards and then have
the wherewithal to slide like that part is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Go ahead, Yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Here's the other great thing about this was I actually
think he was tripped up a little at the end.
I didn't think that that Devin Witherspoon got his foot.
But sliding doesn't help them in that situation. Seattle had
all three of their timeouts. They don't run the clock
out for him going down, so for him to kind
of go down before the coal line, they actually still
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needed to score because if Seattle would have gotten a stop,
it would have been an eight point game and there
still would have been a minute on the clock. So
him even sliding down at that point, it was twenty
nine to twenty four when he did it, it would
have been thirty two twenty four if the Seahawks could
actually stop somebody. But they couldn't, so then they scored
and made it thirty six to twenty four. But it
wasn't even a heads up play in doing it, because
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San Francisco would rather have been up two scores than
to try to run a couple of more plays and
try to put it into the end zone.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah. I also think some of that, the some of
the stoppage thing has changed, hasn't it. Have they changed
a little bit of the clock means up? You're right
about the three timeouts.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, they had to use one after the run, so
that was after first down. But they could call a
time out first and second down with a minute thirty left,
and then you'd kick a field goal and you'd maybe
give Seattle forty to fifty seconds on the clock up eight.
So yeah, not all, not all decisions are good decisions.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No, no, no, but usually those are discussed in the huddle.
But when it's a seventy seven yard run, you can't.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, you can't be like if you break one loose
step out of bounds.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah.
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buying should be. You know, tonight is Game five between
the Dodgers and the Padres, and I think this is
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a really good one too. You know, we were trying
to describe with that's the rivalry, and Jason Stewart it
came across as the arrogant Dodger fan. But I actually
think he's right in this case in that it's not
really a rivalry, you know, just not, and it's mostly
a concoction of the Padres wanting to be the Dodgers.
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But but what what that level of confidence or arrogance
hides is the fact that the Dodgers have been, I
guess by Jason's estimation in colossal underachievers. You know, they've
had a decade of dominance in their division. They got
one World Series win in during COVID to show for it. Right,
So a little bit of it is Dodger arrogance and
(17:12):
a little bit of it is Dodger insecurity. But whatever
it is, it has made to this kind of cool,
sort of quasi New age rivalry. And as I told
you guys yesterday, there's a lot more to it than
just hey, they're they're the only two good baseball teams
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in Southern California, or the you know, the I five rivalry,
whatever you want to call it. It's there's the kind
of culture war going on between a team that has
that flamboyant sort of Latin flair. You know, we're gonna
we're gonna bat flip, we're gonna pimp home runs, we're
gonna punch punch you out on strikeouts, all that stuff
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to the Dodgers being the Hey, act like you've been
there before, even though moss Is guys haven't truly been
there before. And then you got Game five. You have
the best player, I think, by most people's estimation, in
the history of the sport, right, the best player in
the history of the sport, going against some really really
talented guys, including one guy who used to play for
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the Dodgers and seems to know how to kind of
twist the knife in the back of the Dodgers. We know,
Jason Steart, you have zero confidence, right, you assume this
is not just gonna be a loss, but this is
gonna be a this is I noticed your voice. You
don't even think this is gonna be close.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
No, and I had the exact same feeling going into
Game four. I will say this, the chemistry has changed.
Tonight's gonna be interesting. Okay, there's a five o'clock start,
and if anyone's ever been in Los Angeles, getting anywhere
at five o'clock on a Friday is impossible. So what
do you have to do? You got to get there
at two o'clock. That's when the gates open. We're going
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to start drinking at two o'clock for a game that
starts at five, and we'll go three and a half
four hours by the end of that game. And depending
on the level of intensity, the chemistry in that building,
tonight is just going to be so extreme that it's
I mean, it's impossible to predict what's going to happen
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tonight in the game. I'm definitely not optimistic, but it's
going to be such a fascinating watch because you know
for a fact that one of the podres is going
to do something to show up the Dodgers or to
show up the fans. And then then you have to
start talking about malice at the palace. You have to
start talking about potential violent situations. Major League Baseball has
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said nothing over the last four or five days about
what happened during Game two, and I think it's on
Major League Baseball to try to remedy this or to
try to get out in front of it. I don't
know if there's an increased security. I don't know anything
about that. I haven't heard one thing about it. So
besides the game being crucial, I think a second tier
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of viewing is what's gonna happen in that stadium tonight
if the wrong person does the wrong thing to the
wrong fan.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Uh yeah, I mean like there's gonna be a fight
in stands, right, it's a Dodger game. It's Dodger Padre game.
I think it's more you know, like look show heo
Tani and Mookie Betts, but maybe mostly show heeo Tani.
You know, can the Dodgers get into situation where they
have to pitch to him? And if they pitch to him,
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does he come through? It's really kind of I wish
he was about more. And then of course, you know,
Bullpen's decide who wins these things more than anything else.
But I you know, he's got a seven hundred dollar contract.
He's I haven't heard anybody come up with any sort
of argument for anybody being a better player than Showho Tani.
He's the best baseball player we've ever seen. What does
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he do in a winner take all situation? I mean, Dan,
am I am? I making it too simple? I know
baseball isn't really played that way. I'm not sitting here saying,
you know, this is first take and it's some hot take,
and I'm like, show hey Ton, he's a choker if
he doesn't come through, Like, I know, that's not what
it's about, but I do think to the lay person,
it's kind of what it is about.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, and I think that to the lay person, this
is the game that they're going to watch. To the
late person, they probably haven't watched the first four. But
it's a Friday night, it's the loan baseball game on Ton.
It's going to be on network television. It's going to
be that opportunity. And for people that weren't exposed to
show hey Otani throughout the country throughout the season.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I'm not saying they don't know who the biggest star
in baseball is.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But when you just see highlights now, when you're watching
him in that playoff experience, yeah, this is it. And
it guess what if you win tonight, you're dealing with
the same thing coming up in the next series and
just maybe at a higher level, especially if that would go.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
To seven games.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but there
is there is absolute drama built into tonight with baseball's
biggest star taking center.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Stage, and then the end this is like this is
TV doug in that. Can we be honest? Baseball needs
Dodgers Yankees. You know, I don't think anything the Ferris
should take place, like strike zone should be the strike zone.
You know, again, there has to be a level of integrity,
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But if we are truly honest with ourselves, baseball really
really really needs Yankees Dodgers, not just because it's East
coast West Coast and two historic rivals, historic teams, but
then you also have Judge and show Hey to go
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along with iconic stadiums whatever, like we just I mean,
go back through the If you're not a hardcore baseball fan,
try and name the teams that have been in the
World Series the last five years. Good luck with that.
And I think baseball really really needs the Dodgers and
the Yankees. The Yankees came through last night. We'll see
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if the Dodgers come.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Through that there is something that is so unique about
doing things in the World Series and doing it at the.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Biggest, biggest of stages.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And it's funny because with sho Hey, show Hey was
so good with the Angels and was doing so many
amazing things, we gave him a pass that it's like,
all right, this team can't figure it out like you
have this, And I think we kind of did the
same thing with Mike Trout if I'm being correct and
being like Trut's just amazing, they just can't get it
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right around him. Then sometimes it turns a little bit
of why Mike Trout couldn't lead the Angels to the playoffs.
My point though, is is that the the bar is
so high for these individual stars to reach where we
don't blame them. We do it in every other sport
where we put the blame on someone after.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
One bad game.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
NBA is probably the best example of that, and it's
very rarely do we give someone a pass because of
how good they have been in understanding how good they
have been. But this is show Hay's opportunity now in
the playoffs, and we've given him a pass in terms
of what went on with the Angels because they wear
a train wreck. Now we want to see him come
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through and you know, whether it be a clutch hit,
whether it be something.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
To get things going.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
This is where you really also really add to your
legacy as a player. Doesn't have to be every single
postseason the boy. You do it in the first one
that you have with the with the Dodgers, that really
gets things rolling.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yeah, have you ever have.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
You guys been watching the way Fox has covered Otawni?
I've never seen a graphic that says this player is
up in three batters, like you typically see a graphic
for who is on the.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Hole, and he's in the hole.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
They say, in three batters, show Hee o Twani is
up and then they have a graphic yeah with him
a cartoon of him.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Never seen it ever, And that's telling.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
I think that's speaking to like the TV doug here
and that you have people tuning in for the very
first time, and also you have these international viewers that
are only tuning in for his bats, So we need
to keep those viewers, you know, keep those viewers in
mind and tell tell them.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Bats.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Isn't that the wasn't this isn't that the secret of PTI.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That is the is the like what's coming up in
the topics? Coming up next?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, the menu? Yes, because you know if they're talking.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, I mean I think the secret of I think
I think it is. It's one of the parts of it.
I mean, the real thing is like you have two
guys that you know, there's they're not talking and they're
you know, it's Tony really makes that show. But yes, I.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Understand patically for me.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, if you see that your team is going to
be talked about in three topics, guess what you're waiting
around for those three topics. We talked about it teasing
and radio the whole time when you're telling the audience
what's coming up next so they can stick around more.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
It looks like Freddy Freeman's on the line up tonight.
I don't know how useful he's gonna be, but he's
going about third and by first after missing Game four,
so that'll help. That's good news for the Dodgers. Two
Japanese pitchers going at it. Speaking of the international audience, yeah,
Yamamoto and Darvish.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And Darvish has been unbelievable in these games, especially unbelievable
against the Dodgers. Of course, Dodger fans will be like, yeah,
why wasn't he unbelievable when he pitched for us?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
He's got show his number two?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, yeah, Darvish was was he the one had the
no who had the weird pitch that never kind of
came to be? Was it him? Was the guy one
who pitched for the guy who pitched for the Yankees?
Speaker 6 (27:10):
No, it's a guy who pictured the Red Sox, right,
dice k Matsuzaki?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah? Ice?
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Ok.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
What was dice ca'se pitch? Though?
Speaker 6 (27:17):
It was like a disc pitch, like a curveball that
spun like horizontally. It was supposed to take over the
world and it never did.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It did not take over the world. Worlds were not
taken over. I think that's that's a perfect Greace. So Jason,
your level of Okay, you watching this at home? Are
you going no?
Speaker 6 (27:37):
No, I'm definitely watching them from home. My in my
level of confidence is one out of ten, probably a
two in winning tonight. So I'll be on the group text.
You know, I go on the group text a lot.
I'll probably pull a Sam and have like a twenty
to one ratio where I'm common in all game long,
and almost nobody comments, uh, but look for me on
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the group text and I'll be a few beers in.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Okay. And then so what's what is huge game one
that you have very little confidence in? Are you wearing
your Dodger hat? Are you wearing a Dodger jersey? Like?
Are there rules to are people allowed to talk? Is
there a certain thing you eat? Like your your level
of Dodger fans? Sickness? And when I say sickness, I
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mean we're all kind of messed up this way, right, See, Like,
well I sat in this chair a Game four and
I didn't think they're going to so I'm gonna wear
the same thing as Game four, Like give me, give
me the setup.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
No I'm not I'm not that guy. I'm not the stereotype.
I'm not the no not stereotype. But what's the super guy?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You're not that guy?
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Whatever I'm wearing, whatever I'm at now, I'm where we're tonight.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well you're not wearing anything now, it's kind of uncomfortable.
That was actually my way I spoke up, and that
was my That was my way of saying, like, hey,
clothe yourself, Bud, clothe yourself Bud.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Sam really likes that drop.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I really liked it. That was a perfect That was
that was great.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I'm not that guy guy the store, the grocery store,
and some teen punk comes up to him, and so
so Jason goes, I'm just not that guy, and then
I play, you're.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Not that guy.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
I'll trust me, you're not that guy.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
And the fifty five year old guys about to pummel
this twenty year old kid.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Oh, not that guy.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Such a great drip of it. I loved it. That
was great.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Damn, what are you watching night?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Well, I'll be at home. Yeah, name will be on.
I don't know, but.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, really yeah, why not? I mean there's there's one
decent college football game on right Utah taking on Arizona State.
I mean it's a because you know Lisa and and Brody,
Like what what is that?
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Like if if if, if Brody wants to watch something else,
he does kind of have accept if it's accept that
doesn't watch that.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, CAYU does not ever get I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It would get phone consideration. There are times where I
don't even put it up on my phone, but it
would get phone consideration. But by no means am I
going to be sitting at the edge of my couch
biting my fingernails.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
On who's going to win. But I'll definitely keep tabs
on it.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Mmm.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Uh Iowa, Sam, I'll be watching at home and I
will be taking in that, uh, that slate of college football.
I mean, listen, there's two future opponents for Iowa playing
Northwestern playing at Maryland, So you know I'll be scoping
that out un l V and Utah State Utah Arizona State.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's good, you're not gonna watch u n LV and utastin.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I'm not gonna watch that one. I'm gonna have it.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Guy say and like, listen, guys say stuff all the
time that makes no sense, like unless you are a degenerate,
give your a degenerate gambler. You had money on it,
then okay, I buy it. Otherwise, like, well, I never
let any when I'll watch little football. No, you're not.
It's Dodgers, Padre.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
I'm going to have on a split screen of Dodgers
and then either Northwestern Maryland and or Utah Arizona State.
I love Big ten football of college football. Can I
also say this like it is. It is an equation
in my head of what I can and can't watch.
So already four point thirty for US Saturday night. I
told Lisa, it's when the Buckeyes play four thirty. That's it.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So there's there's four windows that I've already locked up.
If I wanted to watch another game on a great
slate of college football Saturday or worked at around the
pumpkin patch, I'm going to try to lock that in
as well. I just don't know if it's going to
be the Texas game or what game it's actually going
to be, and then I got to put a baseball
game on top of it.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Now I've commandeered it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
For eleven or twelve hours, and it's it's a lot
more difficult than it was when I was single than
when I was It truly is makes sense. You pick
your battles, you pick your games, and.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You can pick your friends and you pick your nose,
but you can never pick your friends.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, I'll tell her, I listen. I need to see
this for work. I need to see what's happening related.
But the realistic nature is this, there's also going to
be a game on Sunday night that if on Monday.
We're not going to be talking about this game, no question,
You're going to be talking about what happened between Mets
Dodgers or Mets Padres.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Right that, it's actually a brilliant point. This is going
to be a game which I think a lot of
people will watch that are like real sports fans watch.
I could be wrong, especially West Coast, but it will
essentially disappear into the ether. And when I say ether,
the ether of sports, talk like it doesn't exist any
anymore because Saturday becomes college football. Plus you got the
(32:47):
other baseball playoffs, then you got the NFL, and you
got more baseball playoffs. Right now, have Game one already
you know, in the bank, and you're like, man, do
you remember that? And that's what I brought up. We
talked about this on the pod, Jason, You, me and
Matt Holliday we talked about I think it was Game five.
I think it was Game five, maybe a Game four
(33:08):
between the Cardinals and I want to say the Phillies
Roy Holliday versus uh which which was the Cardinals pitcher?
It was Adam Wainwright and Adam.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
I think it's a carpenter.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It was. It was a carpenter, Yeah, carpenter. And then
remember they tore his clothes off afterwards. I think he
pitched like a one hitter something crazy. Anyway, that game,
same thing. If you watched it, you were like, that's amazing.
Otherwise it disappeared in the ether because it was like
on a Friday, it was, you know, this same series,
and all anybody cared about was the DS.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
A couple of things. Yeah, dice K Matsuzaka through the gyro.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Ball, gyro ball.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
There you go, and we never heard about it again.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
Please please refer to him by his full name, Andrew
dice K.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Andrew dice K Matsuzaka, good one.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Hey, Sam totally erased the drop with that, Like it
completely negated how good that drop was.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Wait, give mean you're not that guy? How Yeah?
Speaker 8 (34:11):
And so I can't tell a cheesy joke five minutes
later and it's canceled out.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You're you were doing so well with the drop and
then Andrew ditty and then you basically did a dad joke.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
Yeah, well I'm everything but the dad. You know, you know,
I got the belly, I got the humor.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
And you're from the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
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Speaker 1 (34:59):
Stuck Show Fox Sports Radio, you know how. And this
is really confusing you guys. Ever see any of these
AI quotes you ever said and you're like, is that
real or is that fake? So I saw this quote
and I was like, maybe it's AI. I don't know,
but this is a quote from Arthur Smith, who member
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former head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. He was the
offensive coordinator of the Tennessee Titans, and he's the offense
court now for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He said, in regards
to Justin Fields, there's no drama to him. He doesn't
try to live through his avatar or create perception. That's
probably why he was so endearing to his teammates in Chicago.
(35:43):
Extremely coachable, extremely right. Okay, So if you just take
the quotes at at Hotel Value. You just kind of
look at him like, oh, that's great, like a young
guy just the Field is not old. It's only been
League a couple of years. You're like, Okay, he's not
(36:04):
part of this new young generation that lives through their avatar.
That's all about likes. But then when you wait, you're
talking about creative perception and dearing to his teammates in Chicago,
and you start to wonder, Wait, Russell Wilson's getting healthy
but still not going to get the job back, and
it's not like justin Field to set the world on fire.
(36:28):
That's a backhanded remark at Russell Wilson, isn't it. I mean,
isn't it? Because most people I know, and I can't
say I know everybody who thinks this way. I don't
know anyone who thinks otherwise in the NFL. But again,
I'm not willing to say everyone thinks this, But most
(36:49):
people in the NFL I know, and many fans think, well,
Russell Wilson is trauma. He try to create a perception
and he's not endearing to his teammates, which is the opposite.
I mean, Arthur Smith is telling You're like, why are
they starting. Justin Field's like he's just okay, he kind
(37:10):
of runs it or whatever, like because people like him.
Life is on some levels a popularity contest, and everybody's
kind of done with the whole Russell Wilson act. There's
just no way you can see it otherwise. I don't believe.
I guess remember when there was all those was it
Nats or what was it when they're locusts? That I
(37:34):
was crazy in Cleveland once upon time in the playoffs.
Let's welcome man. Of course. He's the former general manager
of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Spent twenty years in the
NFL front offices. In scouting, he's Mark Dominic. He joins
in the Doug Outleab Show on Fox Sports Radio. Mark,
I don't know, did you hear those Arthur Smith comments
that I read? Or would you like me to read
him again?
Speaker 9 (37:54):
To you shoot him back to me?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Pleased?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Arthur Smith said about Justin Fields, there's no he doesn't
live through his avatar to create a perception. That's probably
why he was so endearing to his teammates in Chicago.
Extremely coachable, extremely bright.
Speaker 9 (38:09):
Well, I mean that's I mean, Arthur Smith certainly it's
glowing recommendation, and he's done a good job. I mean, Justine,
I did not expect just to Field to have this
kind of success either. At Pittzsperg, I thought that, you know,
this was going to be Russell Wilson's team once he's healthy. Clearly,
Russell Wilson sounds healthy, and Justin Field gets a good
team to hold onto the range and go play the Raiders.
So you know, again it's Sam Darnold two point oh.
(38:31):
Maybe maybe not to that level, but it shows you
that sometimes the situation, schemes, fit systems, all that kind
of stuff can play a part into what a player
can actually be. And that's some of the unluckier the
luckiness of being the quarterback and where you get.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Selected, no question, but it does feel like that could
be taken as backhand or marks at Russell Wilson. Could
it not?
Speaker 9 (38:53):
Oh yeah, you can absolutely see it that way. I
don't think it was intended that way. My gut instinct
is considering, but I could see where you could absolutely
you know, it takes a shot and say, you know,
this is what held Russell Wilson back this entire time.
This is what we saw Russell Wilson be in Denver,
and maybe it's what you know for the big decision
for Pete Carroll and John Schnyder when they let Russell
(39:15):
Wilson out. Maybe it's been something that's been growing and
getting worse and that's effect to this play like we've
seen some other quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Stet got the show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
go to the Jets. What was your reaction to Robert
Robert Soli being fired?
Speaker 9 (39:28):
That shocked? I think, just like everybody, didn't make a
lot of sense to me. It felt early when I
first read it, Actually, Doug, I was like, did I
read that right? And you know, obviously now Todd Downey
is going to do the play calling where you know,
coach Hackett's going to be relieved of those duties, but
not off the staff. Seemed to me like that would
have been a lot easier, just obvious thing to do
since that's where it went to. So I got to
(39:50):
think that Robert Sala and either Woody Johnson he didn't
Woody Johnson didn't like some advances of what's going on
and felt like he wasn't in control. I heard that
Joe dougle is not a fan of the decision. You know,
as a GM, you've got to stand up for what
you really believe in. So it's a mess. We're gonna
see if there's anything that's really different here. But you know,
(40:11):
Robert sal will be a defensive corner if he wants
to coach in the league next year, as he's taken
the Jets salary for one more year.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Do you believe that Aaron Rodgers is not even because
Aaron Rodgers had a conversation with Woody the night before
they fired. The night before they fired Robert Sala, Aaron
Rodgers claims he had no idea. I had no idea.
Now here's a guy who recruited Green Bay Packers, his
(40:42):
hand picked offense Codner just got demoted. It just kind
of a feed to him from Aaron Rodgers. Do you
believe the story that he never found out the before
and found out when everybody else found out when he
was looking at the phone in the training room.
Speaker 9 (40:56):
I have a feeling Woody Johnson probably went to Aaron
said what's wrong with the team, and maybe he said
the guys aren't listening, or you know, maybe Robert Solad
said something to you know, Whaty Johnson about making a
move with Nate Hackett, and he asked what he thought
on you know, Nate Hackett not being a play caller,
and Aaron's like, why would you do that? You know,
I can see that kind of conversation. I don't think
Whatdy Johnson said should I fire Robert Sawa to Aaron Rodgers?
(41:19):
I would hope he wouldn't because I wouldn't think. You know, again,
that's where the concern is is why do you have
a general manager? And it's not Aaron Rodgers to be
the general manager. That's but I do think that maybe
they had discussions about the frustrations in the offense and
trying to figure out what's going on, and of course
made Hacket's not gonna get thrown to the bus by
Aaron Rodgers's. It's it's uh. This one's the one that
(41:42):
we're going to take away and see as we get
through the next few weeks and see if there's anything
that really changes here. I think the Jets defense will
still be fine. I think that they're going to be
in good shape. But when they play Buffalo now they
turn around play at Pittsburgh and then a game that
they should whin they gets to the Patriots and then
they got the Texans. Let's find out what these Jets are.
But the problem really is, to me, Doug, the offensive
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line wasn't fixed, still isn't fixed. And that's the real
truth of why this brief hall can't get going. That's
why Aaron Rodgers doesn't get comfortable. And I would say
that Aaron Rodgers does not look like a foty year
old Tom Brady in terms of the decision making, quickness,
move getting the ball out. It doesn't seem the same.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
No, it doesn't seem okay. So is this fixable?
Speaker 9 (42:23):
I don't think you could fix an offensive line jere
in the season. That's the hard part about it. That's
why sometimes it's not sexy in the off season the
sign offensive lineman. No one loves the draft and says, boy,
look at all these great, great guys that we drafted
at the offensive line. You know, here's your A plus
for your draft grade. So I mean again, I think
they looked to try to fix it. They went with
older players that have been banged up a little bit.
(42:45):
I think Joe Tipman's played well inside, but the rest
of the line, I don't think it's played they've played
old or they've played poorly, and I think that that
just continues to haunt them. They cannot get the running
game going. And I don't think it's the running back
that does not run the ball anymore. I think it's
the system they're running or the offensive line that they're
running and they're not walking together.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Stuck Gotlab show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, I'm
super intrigued by what happens next there as Mark Domins,
our guest spent twenty years in the NFL front offices
and scouting, former general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Okay,
I'm I'm trying to figure out, just figure out. Okayre
(43:28):
was it the Seahawks or the Niners? Like that game?
It was sort of close, but man, the Niners, even
without Christian McCaffrey, just like insert anybody, they can run
the football. Was last night's went more about the Seahawks
just not being that good or about the Niners figuring
something out.
Speaker 9 (43:45):
I think it was about the Niners figuring something out,
you know, getting to put everything together, and you're right,
you know, it seems like you know, everyone's like when
Christian mccaffins in their Wow, look what they can do.
But then you know, Mason goes in a while what
they can do, and then Garendo Guarendo goes in and wow,
look at it. I mean, it was just, you know,
this system so great. That's why so many people are
(44:05):
coming off of this tree, and that's why so many
people were receiving success in other areas because of how
comfortable it is to work in the system. I think
it was a more important game for Brock pretty than
anything else. I think it showed, you know, he was
able to spin the ball around to like six, seven
or eight different targets and looked very comfortable. But they
just dominated. To me, this was the forty nine ers
having the offensive line out there in asserting themselves and saying, look,
(44:27):
we can do either way. We can beat you on
the ground or we can beat you in the air.
And they did both. And so, you know, although the
games somewhat felt close, you know, certainly it felt like
in the end the better team won. And that's supporting
nine Ers by far.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, not particularly, not particularly be goose is the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I watched Deshaun
Watson play this year, and I just I don't know
what you do there. If you're a general manager, what
do you do with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 9 (44:59):
Yeah, I don't disagree. It's obviously not coming back. All
the distractions, whatever's going on inside of his head, the
different losses that come and go. It feels like a
guy that's lost the love of the game or just
can't get out of depression or something else that maybe
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is going on. Because it's nowhere near the guy that
we saw at Houston when he was there and looked
like a top five quarterback in the National Football League.
It's all come off, and so you know, if you're
the Cleveland Browns, you know, they kept peeling the band
aid off to make the wound worse, and they kept
moving money around to make the situation tougher. And I
know there's lots of rumors that they may try to
(45:40):
trade him and give up collateral to get him off
the books. They may have to do that if they
can find a partner, even if it's not going to
be all the cap, but part of it. You know,
at this point, you live it in your bed. You
made your veggie, You're gonna lie in it. I think
you're gonna have to sit there and watch Deshaun Watson
play at least halfway through the season, and then if
you want to pull the ball and give it to
Jamis because you don't want something to happen from an
(46:03):
injury perspective, even though he's on the cook. As long
as he's healthy, it's a lot easier to trade him,
even if you're trading him for you know, giving up
draft collateral to get rid of him. But this is
just a disaster for Cleveland, and you know, it's a
it's a situation that you know, as you made that
decision to trade for him and all the things that
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are going on around him, sure certainly you're paying for
it right now. And that is a rough decision for
this franchise. And I got I got to tell you, Doug,
the teams that didn't get him have probably breathed a
heck of a five relief that they dodged the bull,
because some of those best deals are the ones you
don't do.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
No question, no question at all. Happens in our recruiting
Abiston College. Recruiting happens in the NFL, happens in the NBA.
Absolutely true. Mark domins our guests, of course, a longtime
member of the Tampa front office. He was a general
manager of Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He joins us on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's DeVante Adams
(47:02):
that true value?
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Like?
Speaker 9 (47:04):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I've said I think you
can probably get a two for them. I know a
lot of people are worried about his contract, but I
think you could probably you would ask for it to
certainly if I'm Tom TELLUSCA, that's what I'm asking for.
I think you've got to get to a couple more
weeks until you get down to a three where you're saying, hey, look,
we realize this is not going to happen and it's over.
I just worry about this, and I worry that as
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a GM, you're setting a precedent. So if a guy
doesn't want to be there, he has to complain enough
publicly and you'll get rid of him. Well, does that
mean Max Crosby can do it? And in two years
from now brock Bowers can do it? And you know,
you just got to be very careful as a GM
how you walk through this decision because it does set
a precedent within your organization to say, hey, just be
(47:47):
a bad guy and you can get out of here.
And you've got to understand that that's just isn't how
it's going to work. So I think coach Pearce is
in a unique spot. He certainly needs to have as
many conversations with him and Devanta Adams got to get
back on the football field and produce easy could be
frustrated on the bench. You know, go out there and
play and see how you perform and then you know
it's not like they weren't throwing to the ball, Dug
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he was averaging nine looks.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
A game.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Mark. Great stuff has always been enjoyed the football this weekend.
Thanks for being our guests.
Speaker 9 (48:17):
You bet my pleasure with Playlark
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just you're too kind. You're too kind. Well do you think,
guys we look back and then look forward or do
you guys just want to look forward? I here's the
problem with the show today, Dan Bayer and with Big
Apple Sam. The problem is that Jason is so he's
(01:08):
either really convinced his Dodgers are going to lose or
he's doing the reverse psychology thing because he was convinced
they would lose game four, only they didn't that. There's
just really no going to him today to talk about
the Dodgers because it's all gloom and doom. So I
just like struggle because I want to engage with my
producer and a guy who has literally watched every Dodger
(01:31):
baseball game this year, But I also know what's coming
out of his mouth, So I don't really want to.
Do you have, buyer, Do you have any advice on
how I should proceed?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, if you look back, you're going to get negativity
from me. If you look forward, you're going to get
negativity from Jason. So pick your poison, Doug.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Why would get negativid from you?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I thought you were talking about looking back at the
Seahawks for whiles.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Oh oh oh, I was sorry. I just went out
bent to baseball. Yeah, yeah, you want to vent? You
want the floor? I mean it's totally cool. I mean,
you know, I would expect the same on your show
if the Chargers or my team at Green Bay or
Oklahoma State, you know, like we could I could vent.
Do you want Do you want a minute?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Well, I'll just say this, I think that a lot
of the conversation is San Francisco now getting back on track. Now,
you wonder when Christian McCaffrey is going to come back,
and Jordan Mason's dealing with his shoulder injury, which they
don't believe is as serious as maybe first feared. But
you still have a short handed backfield heading into a
(02:37):
game against Kansas City coming up in a week and
a half.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So those are all big deals.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I get it, I get the forty nine ers of
the headliners, but this is also a part of a
twofold conversation, Doug, and one of those sides is that
the Seahawks again have fallen into irrelevancy. Yes, and they
are a team that you really don't need to talk about,
but if you do talk about them, it's like a
two way missing golf. I have no idea what is
(03:05):
going to show up, both offensively or defensively. And if
you're a Seahawks fan, you look at this last stretch.
It's no shame in losing to the forty nine ers,
and no shame and losing to the Lions. Probably should
have beaten the Giants, but Giants played better than they
did the entire game. And it's the fact of you
let Jared Goff two weeks ago, three weeks ago in
(03:27):
week four, not throw an incomplete pass in a game.
Then you have the forty nine ers last night run
for over two hundred yards against you, and they are
missing their first round pick, a defensive lineman Byron Murphy.
But that's not the end all be all. Then you
have an offense that can cook with Kenneth Walker the
third running the football something that they were going to
(03:47):
correct from last week's heirs, and so they give them
the ball this week and they averages two point three
yards per carry. Gino Smith was off last night. Just
have no idea what team is going to show up,
and it's like you don't know if you're going to
hook or slice it, so you can't even prepare for
one or the other. That was my takeaway from last night.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Did you have to go hook or slicet that you
don't know? Like now you've just got my golf game.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That's just not that's what's the best analogy to play?
You know?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I mean the.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Left and then guess what that's when you hit it
straight or you hook.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
One and correct correct. So uh, Jay Stu, I mean, look,
I'm looking on my sheet here and I know you
want me to talk about the Niners in Seattle. But
here's my question, why can't we just be honest? Like
that game meant nothing? It just did now here. Well,
(04:36):
there was one thing I want to take away. I
there is one misconception I should point out, like the
Seahawks uniforms last night were outstanding, right, that you could
admit with damn byer correct, right, Yeah, yeah, I love it.
There is one point about it though, that because I
was thinking about tweeting, Hey, nineties music and uniform are better.
(05:01):
Don't believe me. Look at the Seahawks and listen to
Pearl Jams catalog. Right. The problem with it is in
the nineties they weren't as clean as clean cut. It wasn't.
It just wasn't. Like they've taken the styles which are
way better, you know, whether it's more form fitting, they're
just cooler fabrics, whatever, and then they've incorporated the color
(05:26):
schemes and designs of previous years and that's why those
throwbacks are so good. But all of that aside, I
just don't think on any level anyone historically is going
to talk about Niners Seahawks on Thursday night on Amazon
and again that doesn't mean that Dodgers Padres in the
DS lines up with some of the great NLCS or
(05:50):
World Series moments, but it is These are defining moments
for some of the best players in the sport, and
honestly could be a defining moment for the best player
to ever play this sport. So as much as I
understand where a football culture, the Niners gotta win, Brock
pretty played well. They ran the football all over them.
They suffer more injuries the you know, you look at
(06:13):
the competition. They're banged up as well with the Seahawks.
But all of that aside, it's a nothing NFL game,
and this is a game with the greatest player in
the history modern history of Major League Baseball in Shohio
Tani and a litany of other all stars, and somebody's
going home after tonight, somebody's going home evernight. I just
(06:37):
think the Dodgers Padres game is bigger, and even though
we rarely talk about baseball, this is one in which
baseball should should be bigger, at least on the topic
line than what we're doing or what else is going
on in hoops going on in the NBA as well. Agreed, disagree,
discuss Dan byer.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Well, I actually I think that the forty Donner's role
in this is bigger than you're saying. And to compare
playoff baseball to NFL regular season games are a little
tricky when you're talking about legacy and when you're talking
about that sort of conversation. I do think as a
whole more people probably cared about last night, whether it
be for fantasy or betting purposes, sure, or how things
(07:20):
play out, So they've had maybe more interest in that
game last night than maybe what will happen tonight. I
do think sometimes we get to be prisoners of the
moment or prisoners of our location. And in Southern California,
and I know you're in Wisconsin, but in Southern California,
this is the series, this is the thing everybody's getting
(07:41):
set for tonight. I don't know how that translates to
the rest of the country, even with the game being
on Fox tonight. I'm not sure that that sort of
message of a NLDS matchup really transcends the rest of
the country, especially in areas where New York and they're
all up in the Yankees and Mets action. Maybe they
don't care who they play. Maybe they are, but especially
(08:02):
then maybe in other places, I don't know if it
resonates as much.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
All right, well let's let's let's dive in kind of
quickly here to the diners. Kyle Shanney and talked about
the red zone efficiency and Brock Purty, Brock.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Saying that because there's a few plays he could have
been more decisive on and had, but that's not the
whole red zone struggles and you struggle running the ball
and have a lot of great looks and then you
miss a few that we could have scored on. And
Broxson always owned up to that stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
That wasn't really the theme.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
He was real decisive today, made two big time throws
there on third down. Was a step from my direction.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
At least here's Brock Perdy talking about his own performance
as well as George Kittle.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Comes down to that component of trust, man. That's how
that's both of them. Both touchdowns were just a trust factor.
So something that we've continued to grow at, you know,
throughout the offseason and throughout the games that we've played together.
And then tonight it showed really well. So very proud
of him, just seeing Bernardo get his interception Malick on
the defensive side. Man that always fires us.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Up on the offense.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
And then obviously Isaac getting in at the end and
pulling away. For those guys a step in, Man, it's
the NFL, it's you know, the Saint College, and it's
the real deal. You're playing against the best of the best.
And so for those guys to show up on Thursday night,
a primetime game like that, it means a lot to
all of us as a team.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Stut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. So that's it
right now, we're like, Oh, okay, Rock, Perty's back to
being the man. All is right with the Niners. I
would only I would contradict what you're saying, Dan, just
from this perspective that while you're right, it's also quite
fair to say, aren't most teams that up and down?
(09:35):
And you're talking about your Seahawks. Is your team, But
I mean, the Niners weren't good last week. Go back
through most of these teams. Kansas City has had games
they won that they haven't played well. Can't you say
that about most anybody, but that if you don't like
how somebody plays, wait.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Not in the way that they lose jerged off to again,
didn't throw an incomplete pass in Week four. Last night,
they gave up over two hundred and twenty yards rushing,
including in a spot where they needed to get a
stop at the end of the game. And the first
carry is run seventy six yards by a third string
running back at best. That's even counting Elijah Mitchell, who's hurt,
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so Grenda could be a fourth string running back. So
when you're trying to become relevant in the NFL again,
like the Seahawks are and Russell Wilson is such a
topic conversation, you want to talk about a lose lose
situation in terms of notoriety. Seahawks made the right trade
deal in getting rid of Russell Wilson, but they both
have lost their relevance without having a star quarterback. Right now,
(10:38):
I think the Seahawks are just I get it, nobody wants.
It's probably why I'm talking about them not being relevant.
It's the only thing that I can really talk about
that I think people would be interested in. But they
got a lot of players that you know names, and
their uniforms look great. I call them the eighties and
nineties throwbacks. I think that they just do it for
the nineties to adhere to that sort of crew. But yeah,
(11:01):
they're just kind of there. And the forty nine ers
last week probably should have beaten the Cardinals. If you
had a healthy kicker for the entire game, it probably
works out a better for them. But this can also
be a turning point for San Francisco when you look
at the NFC right now and you say, all right,
who is really good? Who's about to make that turn
outside of Minnesota right now and probably Detroit. And I
(11:23):
think that the forty nine ers getting back to three
and three in a division that is very winnable, I
think this could be looked at as a turning point
for them. By the way, as we have been talking,
Christian McCaffrey will not have his practice window open according
to Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So they don't expect him in Week seven against Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
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Jason Stewart, would you want to add?
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Dan just talked about this rookie here Rendo. That's the name,
that's how we're gonna spell it, here Rendo.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I had a hard gndo Isaac Garrendo.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
I heard Herbstreet last night say out of Louisville, and
I thought about what Doug says about this transfer portal thing.
How when you do transfer after four years and you
play your fifth year for one team, you're you're not
of the team you were with, and you're not of
the team you played your fifth year with. So this
kid plays four years at Wisconsin, and Kirk Hurbstreet says,
(12:31):
Isaac Correndo out of Louisville, And that kind of proved
Doug's point. But anyways, if you're in this kid's shoes
and you have a chance to score your first NFL touchdown,
and your team is already up by a score, so
putting your team up two scores almost does nothing about
the clock. I think he said he was hearing people
on the sidewine get down. But your first NFL touchdown
(12:54):
on a seventy plus yard run.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yes, were you?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
How surprised were you that he slid? Why did he slide?
What's the mouth there?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I didn't understand it. I didn't understand either. Plus I
do think it's amazing that you have that. Wherewithal who
was I talking about this with? I was talking about
with oh to it an NFL player, I was stuck
with about how I think it was? With Aj Dillon,
(13:23):
I was on his podcast. I was talking about how, like,
literally the greatest feeling in sports is when you break through.
And again, I played football until high school, you know,
but I remember being a little running back or being
a quarterback and holding a bootleg and beating guys off
the beating guys to the edge, and then all you
have is guys behind you and you're right and then
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and you realize you see grass and nobody in between
you and the grass, and you look over your left
shoulder and there's nobody coming to get you with the angle.
It's an incredible feeling. Imagine being that woman and she's
got to have a friend or two in Vegas that
hand her handed off to her, you know, her hands
her husband's off to her. And yeah, I mean, it's
(14:10):
got to be an unbelievable, unbelievable feeling for him to
go and have the seventy seven yards and then have
the wherewithal to slide like that part is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Go ahead, Yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Here's the other great thing about this was I actually
think he was tripped up a little at the end.
I didn't think that that Devin Witherspoon got his foot.
But sliding doesn't help them in that situation. Seattle had
all three of their timeouts. They don't run the clock
out for him going down, so for him to kind
of go down before the coal line, they actually still
(14:46):
needed to score because if Seattle would have gotten a stop,
it would have been an eight point game and there
still would have been a minute on the clock. So
him even sliding down at that point, it was twenty
nine to twenty four when he did it, it would
have been thirty two twenty four if the Seahawks could
actually stop somebody. But they couldn't, so then they scored
and made it thirty six to twenty four. But it
wasn't even a heads up play in doing it, because
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San Francisco would rather have been up two scores than
to try to run a couple of more plays and
try to put it into the end zone.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah. I also think some of that, the some of
the stoppage thing has changed, hasn't it. Have they changed
a little bit of the clock means up? You're right
about the three timeouts.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, they had to use one after the run, so
that was after first down. But they could call a
time out first and second down with a minute thirty left,
and then you'd kick a field goal and you'd maybe
give Seattle forty to fifty seconds on the clock up eight.
So yeah, not all, not all decisions are good decisions.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No, no, no, but usually those are discussed in the huddle.
But when it's a seventy seven yard run, you can't.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, you can't be like if you break one loose
step out of bounds.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah.
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buying should be. You know, tonight is Game five between
the Dodgers and the Padres, and I think this is
(16:27):
a really good one too. You know, we were trying
to describe with that's the rivalry, and Jason Stewart it
came across as the arrogant Dodger fan. But I actually
think he's right in this case in that it's not
really a rivalry, you know, just not, and it's mostly
a concoction of the Padres wanting to be the Dodgers.
(16:49):
But but what what that level of confidence or arrogance
hides is the fact that the Dodgers have been, I
guess by Jason's estimation in colossal underachievers. You know, they've
had a decade of dominance in their division. They got
one World Series win in during COVID to show for it. Right,
So a little bit of it is Dodger arrogance and
(17:12):
a little bit of it is Dodger insecurity. But whatever
it is, it has made to this kind of cool,
sort of quasi New age rivalry. And as I told
you guys yesterday, there's a lot more to it than
just hey, they're they're the only two good baseball teams
(17:32):
in Southern California, or the you know, the I five rivalry,
whatever you want to call it. It's there's the kind
of culture war going on between a team that has
that flamboyant sort of Latin flair. You know, we're gonna
we're gonna bat flip, we're gonna pimp home runs, we're
gonna punch punch you out on strikeouts, all that stuff
(17:54):
to the Dodgers being the Hey, act like you've been
there before, even though moss Is guys haven't truly been
there before. And then you got Game five. You have
the best player, I think, by most people's estimation, in
the history of the sport, right, the best player in
the history of the sport, going against some really really
talented guys, including one guy who used to play for
(18:17):
the Dodgers and seems to know how to kind of
twist the knife in the back of the Dodgers. We know,
Jason Steart, you have zero confidence, right, you assume this
is not just gonna be a loss, but this is
gonna be a this is I noticed your voice. You
don't even think this is gonna be close.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
No, and I had the exact same feeling going into
Game four. I will say this, the chemistry has changed.
Tonight's gonna be interesting. Okay, there's a five o'clock start,
and if anyone's ever been in Los Angeles, getting anywhere
at five o'clock on a Friday is impossible. So what
do you have to do? You got to get there
at two o'clock. That's when the gates open. We're going
(19:00):
to start drinking at two o'clock for a game that
starts at five, and we'll go three and a half
four hours by the end of that game. And depending
on the level of intensity, the chemistry in that building,
tonight is just going to be so extreme that it's
I mean, it's impossible to predict what's going to happen
(19:21):
tonight in the game. I'm definitely not optimistic, but it's
going to be such a fascinating watch because you know
for a fact that one of the podres is going
to do something to show up the Dodgers or to
show up the fans. And then then you have to
start talking about malice at the palace. You have to
start talking about potential violent situations. Major League Baseball has
(19:46):
said nothing over the last four or five days about
what happened during Game two, and I think it's on
Major League Baseball to try to remedy this or to
try to get out in front of it. I don't
know if there's an increased security. I don't know anything
about that. I haven't heard one thing about it. So
besides the game being crucial, I think a second tier
(20:11):
of viewing is what's gonna happen in that stadium tonight
if the wrong person does the wrong thing to the
wrong fan.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Uh yeah, I mean like there's gonna be a fight
in stands, right, it's a Dodger game. It's Dodger Padre game.
I think it's more you know, like look show heo
Tani and Mookie Betts, but maybe mostly show heeo Tani.
You know, can the Dodgers get into situation where they
have to pitch to him? And if they pitch to him,
(20:41):
does he come through? It's really kind of I wish
he was about more. And then of course, you know,
Bullpen's decide who wins these things more than anything else.
But I you know, he's got a seven hundred dollar contract.
He's I haven't heard anybody come up with any sort
of argument for anybody being a better player than Showho Tani.
He's the best baseball player we've ever seen. What does
(21:03):
he do in a winner take all situation? I mean, Dan,
am I am? I making it too simple? I know
baseball isn't really played that way. I'm not sitting here saying,
you know, this is first take and it's some hot take,
and I'm like, show hey Ton, he's a choker if
he doesn't come through, Like, I know, that's not what
it's about, but I do think to the lay person,
it's kind of what it is about.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, and I think that to the lay person, this
is the game that they're going to watch. To the
late person, they probably haven't watched the first four. But
it's a Friday night, it's the loan baseball game on Ton.
It's going to be on network television. It's going to
be that opportunity. And for people that weren't exposed to
show hey Otani throughout the country throughout the season.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I'm not saying they don't know who the biggest star
in baseball is.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But when you just see highlights now, when you're watching
him in that playoff experience, yeah, this is it. And
it guess what if you win tonight, you're dealing with
the same thing coming up in the next series and
just maybe at a higher level, especially if that would go.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
To seven games.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but there
is there is absolute drama built into tonight with baseball's
biggest star taking center.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Stage, and then the end this is like this is
TV doug in that. Can we be honest? Baseball needs
Dodgers Yankees. You know, I don't think anything the Ferris
should take place, like strike zone should be the strike zone.
You know, again, there has to be a level of integrity,
(22:35):
But if we are truly honest with ourselves, baseball really
really really needs Yankees Dodgers, not just because it's East
coast West Coast and two historic rivals, historic teams, but
then you also have Judge and show Hey to go
(22:58):
along with iconic stadiums whatever, like we just I mean,
go back through the If you're not a hardcore baseball fan,
try and name the teams that have been in the
World Series the last five years. Good luck with that.
And I think baseball really really needs the Dodgers and
the Yankees. The Yankees came through last night. We'll see
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if the Dodgers come.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Through that there is something that is so unique about
doing things in the World Series and doing it at the.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Biggest, biggest of stages.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And it's funny because with sho Hey, show Hey was
so good with the Angels and was doing so many
amazing things, we gave him a pass that it's like,
all right, this team can't figure it out like you
have this, And I think we kind of did the
same thing with Mike Trout if I'm being correct and
being like Trut's just amazing, they just can't get it
(23:51):
right around him. Then sometimes it turns a little bit
of why Mike Trout couldn't lead the Angels to the playoffs.
My point though, is is that the the bar is
so high for these individual stars to reach where we
don't blame them. We do it in every other sport
where we put the blame on someone after.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
One bad game.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
NBA is probably the best example of that, and it's
very rarely do we give someone a pass because of
how good they have been in understanding how good they
have been. But this is show Hay's opportunity now in
the playoffs, and we've given him a pass in terms
of what went on with the Angels because they wear
a train wreck. Now we want to see him come
(24:33):
through and you know, whether it be a clutch hit,
whether it be something.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
To get things going.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
This is where you really also really add to your
legacy as a player. Doesn't have to be every single
postseason the boy. You do it in the first one
that you have with the with the Dodgers, that really
gets things rolling.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yeah, have you ever have.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
You guys been watching the way Fox has covered Otawni?
I've never seen a graphic that says this player is
up in three batters, like you typically see a graphic
for who is on the.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Hole, and he's in the hole.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
They say, in three batters, show Hee o Twani is
up and then they have a graphic yeah with him
a cartoon of him.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Never seen it ever, And that's telling.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
I think that's speaking to like the TV doug here
and that you have people tuning in for the very
first time, and also you have these international viewers that
are only tuning in for his bats, So we need
to keep those viewers, you know, keep those viewers in
mind and tell tell them.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Bats.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Isn't that the wasn't this isn't that the secret of PTI.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That is the is the like what's coming up in
the topics? Coming up next?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, the menu? Yes, because you know if they're talking.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, I mean I think the secret of I think
I think it is. It's one of the parts of it.
I mean, the real thing is like you have two
guys that you know, there's they're not talking and they're
you know, it's Tony really makes that show. But yes, I.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Understand patically for me.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, if you see that your team is going to
be talked about in three topics, guess what you're waiting
around for those three topics. We talked about it teasing
and radio the whole time when you're telling the audience
what's coming up next so they can stick around more.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
It looks like Freddy Freeman's on the line up tonight.
I don't know how useful he's gonna be, but he's
going about third and by first after missing Game four,
so that'll help. That's good news for the Dodgers. Two
Japanese pitchers going at it. Speaking of the international audience, yeah,
Yamamoto and Darvish.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And Darvish has been unbelievable in these games, especially unbelievable
against the Dodgers. Of course, Dodger fans will be like, yeah,
why wasn't he unbelievable when he pitched for us?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
He's got show his number two?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, yeah, Darvish was was he the one had the
no who had the weird pitch that never kind of
came to be? Was it him? Was the guy one
who pitched for the guy who pitched for the Yankees?
Speaker 6 (27:10):
No, it's a guy who pictured the Red Sox, right,
dice k Matsuzaki?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah? Ice?
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Ok.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
What was dice ca'se pitch? Though?
Speaker 6 (27:17):
It was like a disc pitch, like a curveball that
spun like horizontally. It was supposed to take over the
world and it never did.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It did not take over the world. Worlds were not
taken over. I think that's that's a perfect Greace. So Jason,
your level of Okay, you watching this at home? Are
you going no?
Speaker 6 (27:37):
No, I'm definitely watching them from home. My in my
level of confidence is one out of ten, probably a
two in winning tonight. So I'll be on the group text.
You know, I go on the group text a lot.
I'll probably pull a Sam and have like a twenty
to one ratio where I'm common in all game long,
and almost nobody comments, uh, but look for me on
(28:01):
the group text and I'll be a few beers in.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Okay. And then so what's what is huge game one
that you have very little confidence in? Are you wearing
your Dodger hat? Are you wearing a Dodger jersey? Like?
Are there rules to are people allowed to talk? Is
there a certain thing you eat? Like your your level
of Dodger fans? Sickness? And when I say sickness, I
(28:28):
mean we're all kind of messed up this way, right, See, Like,
well I sat in this chair a Game four and
I didn't think they're going to so I'm gonna wear
the same thing as Game four, Like give me, give
me the setup.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
No I'm not I'm not that guy. I'm not the stereotype.
I'm not the no not stereotype. But what's the super guy?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You're not that guy?
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Whatever I'm wearing, whatever I'm at now, I'm where we're tonight.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well you're not wearing anything now, it's kind of uncomfortable.
That was actually my way I spoke up, and that
was my That was my way of saying, like, hey,
clothe yourself, Bud, clothe yourself Bud.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Sam really likes that drop.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I really liked it. That was a perfect That was
that was great.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
I'm not that guy guy the store, the grocery store,
and some teen punk comes up to him, and so
so Jason goes, I'm just not that guy, and then
I play, you're.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Not that guy.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
I'll trust me, you're not that guy.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
And the fifty five year old guys about to pummel
this twenty year old kid.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Oh, not that guy.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Such a great drip of it. I loved it. That
was great.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Damn, what are you watching night?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Well, I'll be at home. Yeah, name will be on.
I don't know, but.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, really yeah, why not? I mean there's there's one
decent college football game on right Utah taking on Arizona State.
I mean it's a because you know Lisa and and Brody,
Like what what is that?
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Like if if if, if Brody wants to watch something else,
he does kind of have accept if it's accept that
doesn't watch that.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, CAYU does not ever get I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
It would get phone consideration. There are times where I
don't even put it up on my phone, but it
would get phone consideration. But by no means am I
going to be sitting at the edge of my couch
biting my fingernails.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
On who's going to win. But I'll definitely keep tabs
on it.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Mmm.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Uh Iowa, Sam, I'll be watching at home and I
will be taking in that, uh, that slate of college football.
I mean, listen, there's two future opponents for Iowa playing
Northwestern playing at Maryland, So you know I'll be scoping
that out un l V and Utah State Utah Arizona State.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's good, you're not gonna watch u n LV and utastin.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I'm not gonna watch that one. I'm gonna have it.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Guy say and like, listen, guys say stuff all the
time that makes no sense, like unless you are a degenerate,
give your a degenerate gambler. You had money on it,
then okay, I buy it. Otherwise, like, well, I never
let any when I'll watch little football. No, you're not.
It's Dodgers, Padre.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
I'm going to have on a split screen of Dodgers
and then either Northwestern Maryland and or Utah Arizona State.
I love Big ten football of college football. Can I
also say this like it is. It is an equation
in my head of what I can and can't watch.
So already four point thirty for US Saturday night. I
told Lisa, it's when the Buckeyes play four thirty. That's it.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So there's there's four windows that I've already locked up.
If I wanted to watch another game on a great
slate of college football Saturday or worked at around the
pumpkin patch, I'm going to try to lock that in
as well. I just don't know if it's going to
be the Texas game or what game it's actually going
to be, and then I got to put a baseball
game on top of it.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Now I've commandeered it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
For eleven or twelve hours, and it's it's a lot
more difficult than it was when I was single than
when I was It truly is makes sense. You pick
your battles, you pick your games, and.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You can pick your friends and you pick your nose,
but you can never pick your friends.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, I'll tell her, I listen. I need to see
this for work. I need to see what's happening related.
But the realistic nature is this, there's also going to
be a game on Sunday night that if on Monday.
We're not going to be talking about this game, no question,
You're going to be talking about what happened between Mets
Dodgers or Mets Padres.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Right that, it's actually a brilliant point. This is going
to be a game which I think a lot of
people will watch that are like real sports fans watch.
I could be wrong, especially West Coast, but it will
essentially disappear into the ether. And when I say ether,
the ether of sports, talk like it doesn't exist any
anymore because Saturday becomes college football. Plus you got the
(32:47):
other baseball playoffs, then you got the NFL, and you
got more baseball playoffs. Right now, have Game one already
you know, in the bank, and you're like, man, do
you remember that? And that's what I brought up. We
talked about this on the pod, Jason, You, me and
Matt Holliday we talked about I think it was Game five.
I think it was Game five, maybe a Game four
(33:08):
between the Cardinals and I want to say the Phillies
Roy Holliday versus uh which which was the Cardinals pitcher?
It was Adam Wainwright and Adam.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
I think it's a carpenter.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It was. It was a carpenter, Yeah, carpenter. And then
remember they tore his clothes off afterwards. I think he
pitched like a one hitter something crazy. Anyway, that game,
same thing. If you watched it, you were like, that's amazing.
Otherwise it disappeared in the ether because it was like
on a Friday, it was, you know, this same series,
and all anybody cared about was the DS.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
A couple of things. Yeah, dice K Matsuzaka through the gyro.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Ball, gyro ball.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
There you go, and we never heard about it again.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
Please please refer to him by his full name, Andrew
dice K.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Andrew dice K Matsuzaka, good one.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Hey, Sam totally erased the drop with that, Like it
completely negated how good that drop was.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Wait, give mean you're not that guy? How Yeah?
Speaker 8 (34:11):
And so I can't tell a cheesy joke five minutes
later and it's canceled out.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You're you were doing so well with the drop and
then Andrew ditty and then you basically did a dad joke.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
Yeah, well I'm everything but the dad. You know, you know,
I got the belly, I got the humor.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
And you're from the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
There you go.
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Speaker 1 (34:59):
Stuck Show Fox Sports Radio, you know how. And this
is really confusing you guys. Ever see any of these
AI quotes you ever said and you're like, is that
real or is that fake? So I saw this quote
and I was like, maybe it's AI. I don't know,
but this is a quote from Arthur Smith, who member
(35:22):
former head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. He was the
offensive coordinator of the Tennessee Titans, and he's the offense
court now for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He said, in regards
to Justin Fields, there's no drama to him. He doesn't
try to live through his avatar or create perception. That's
probably why he was so endearing to his teammates in Chicago.
(35:43):
Extremely coachable, extremely right. Okay, So if you just take
the quotes at at Hotel Value. You just kind of
look at him like, oh, that's great, like a young
guy just the Field is not old. It's only been
League a couple of years. You're like, Okay, he's not
(36:04):
part of this new young generation that lives through their avatar.
That's all about likes. But then when you wait, you're
talking about creative perception and dearing to his teammates in Chicago,
and you start to wonder, Wait, Russell Wilson's getting healthy
but still not going to get the job back, and
it's not like justin Field to set the world on fire.
(36:28):
That's a backhanded remark at Russell Wilson, isn't it. I mean,
isn't it? Because most people I know, and I can't
say I know everybody who thinks this way. I don't
know anyone who thinks otherwise in the NFL. But again,
I'm not willing to say everyone thinks this, But most
(36:49):
people in the NFL I know, and many fans think, well,
Russell Wilson is trauma. He try to create a perception
and he's not endearing to his teammates, which is the opposite.
I mean, Arthur Smith is telling You're like, why are
they starting. Justin Field's like he's just okay, he kind
(37:10):
of runs it or whatever, like because people like him.
Life is on some levels a popularity contest, and everybody's
kind of done with the whole Russell Wilson act. There's
just no way you can see it otherwise. I don't believe.
I guess remember when there was all those was it
Nats or what was it when they're locusts? That I
(37:34):
was crazy in Cleveland once upon time in the playoffs.
Let's welcome man. Of course. He's the former general manager
of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Spent twenty years in the
NFL front offices. In scouting, he's Mark Dominic. He joins
in the Doug Outleab Show on Fox Sports Radio. Mark,
I don't know, did you hear those Arthur Smith comments
that I read? Or would you like me to read
him again?
Speaker 9 (37:54):
To you shoot him back to me?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Pleased?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Arthur Smith said about Justin Fields, there's no he doesn't
live through his avatar to create a perception. That's probably
why he was so endearing to his teammates in Chicago.
Extremely coachable, extremely bright.
Speaker 9 (38:09):
Well, I mean that's I mean, Arthur Smith certainly it's
glowing recommendation, and he's done a good job. I mean, Justine,
I did not expect just to Field to have this
kind of success either. At Pittzsperg, I thought that, you know,
this was going to be Russell Wilson's team once he's healthy. Clearly,
Russell Wilson sounds healthy, and Justin Field gets a good
team to hold onto the range and go play the Raiders.
So you know, again it's Sam Darnold two point oh.
(38:31):
Maybe maybe not to that level, but it shows you
that sometimes the situation, schemes, fit systems, all that kind
of stuff can play a part into what a player
can actually be. And that's some of the unluckier the
luckiness of being the quarterback and where you get.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Selected, no question, but it does feel like that could
be taken as backhand or marks at Russell Wilson. Could
it not?
Speaker 9 (38:53):
Oh yeah, you can absolutely see it that way. I
don't think it was intended that way. My gut instinct
is considering, but I could see where you could absolutely
you know, it takes a shot and say, you know,
this is what held Russell Wilson back this entire time.
This is what we saw Russell Wilson be in Denver,
and maybe it's what you know for the big decision
for Pete Carroll and John Schnyder when they let Russell
(39:15):
Wilson out. Maybe it's been something that's been growing and
getting worse and that's effect to this play like we've
seen some other quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Stet got the show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
go to the Jets. What was your reaction to Robert
Robert Soli being fired?
Speaker 9 (39:28):
That shocked? I think, just like everybody, didn't make a
lot of sense to me. It felt early when I
first read it, Actually, Doug, I was like, did I
read that right? And you know, obviously now Todd Downey
is going to do the play calling where you know,
coach Hackett's going to be relieved of those duties, but
not off the staff. Seemed to me like that would
have been a lot easier, just obvious thing to do
since that's where it went to. So I got to
(39:50):
think that Robert Sala and either Woody Johnson he didn't
Woody Johnson didn't like some advances of what's going on
and felt like he wasn't in control. I heard that
Joe dougle is not a fan of the decision. You know,
as a GM, you've got to stand up for what
you really believe in. So it's a mess. We're gonna
see if there's anything that's really different here. But you know,
(40:11):
Robert sal will be a defensive corner if he wants
to coach in the league next year, as he's taken
the Jets salary for one more year.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Do you believe that Aaron Rodgers is not even because
Aaron Rodgers had a conversation with Woody the night before
they fired. The night before they fired Robert Sala, Aaron
Rodgers claims he had no idea. I had no idea.
Now here's a guy who recruited Green Bay Packers, his
(40:42):
hand picked offense Codner just got demoted. It just kind
of a feed to him from Aaron Rodgers. Do you
believe the story that he never found out the before
and found out when everybody else found out when he
was looking at the phone in the training room.
Speaker 9 (40:56):
I have a feeling Woody Johnson probably went to Aaron
said what's wrong with the team, and maybe he said
the guys aren't listening, or you know, maybe Robert Solad
said something to you know, Whaty Johnson about making a
move with Nate Hackett, and he asked what he thought
on you know, Nate Hackett not being a play caller,
and Aaron's like, why would you do that? You know,
I can see that kind of conversation. I don't think
Whatdy Johnson said should I fire Robert Sawa to Aaron Rodgers?
(41:19):
I would hope he wouldn't because I wouldn't think. You know, again,
that's where the concern is is why do you have
a general manager? And it's not Aaron Rodgers to be
the general manager. That's but I do think that maybe
they had discussions about the frustrations in the offense and
trying to figure out what's going on, and of course
made Hacket's not gonna get thrown to the bus by
Aaron Rodgers's. It's it's uh. This one's the one that
(41:42):
we're going to take away and see as we get
through the next few weeks and see if there's anything
that really changes here. I think the Jets defense will
still be fine. I think that they're going to be
in good shape. But when they play Buffalo now they
turn around play at Pittsburgh and then a game that
they should whin they gets to the Patriots and then
they got the Texans. Let's find out what these Jets are.
But the problem really is, to me, Doug, the offensive
(42:02):
line wasn't fixed, still isn't fixed. And that's the real
truth of why this brief hall can't get going. That's
why Aaron Rodgers doesn't get comfortable. And I would say
that Aaron Rodgers does not look like a foty year
old Tom Brady in terms of the decision making, quickness,
move getting the ball out. It doesn't seem the same.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
No, it doesn't seem okay. So is this fixable?
Speaker 9 (42:23):
I don't think you could fix an offensive line jere
in the season. That's the hard part about it. That's
why sometimes it's not sexy in the off season the
sign offensive lineman. No one loves the draft and says, boy,
look at all these great, great guys that we drafted
at the offensive line. You know, here's your A plus
for your draft grade. So I mean again, I think
they looked to try to fix it. They went with
older players that have been banged up a little bit.
(42:45):
I think Joe Tipman's played well inside, but the rest
of the line, I don't think it's played they've played
old or they've played poorly, and I think that that
just continues to haunt them. They cannot get the running
game going. And I don't think it's the running back
that does not run the ball anymore. I think it's
the system they're running or the offensive line that they're
running and they're not walking together.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Stuck Gotlab show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, I'm
super intrigued by what happens next there as Mark Domins,
our guest spent twenty years in the NFL front offices
and scouting, former general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Okay,
I'm I'm trying to figure out, just figure out. Okayre
(43:28):
was it the Seahawks or the Niners? Like that game?
It was sort of close, but man, the Niners, even
without Christian McCaffrey, just like insert anybody, they can run
the football. Was last night's went more about the Seahawks
just not being that good or about the Niners figuring
something out.
Speaker 9 (43:45):
I think it was about the Niners figuring something out,
you know, getting to put everything together, and you're right,
you know, it seems like you know, everyone's like when
Christian mccaffins in their Wow, look what they can do.
But then you know, Mason goes in a while what
they can do, and then Garendo Guarendo goes in and wow,
look at it. I mean, it was just, you know,
this system so great. That's why so many people are
(44:05):
coming off of this tree, and that's why so many
people were receiving success in other areas because of how
comfortable it is to work in the system. I think
it was a more important game for Brock pretty than
anything else. I think it showed, you know, he was
able to spin the ball around to like six, seven
or eight different targets and looked very comfortable. But they
just dominated. To me, this was the forty nine ers
having the offensive line out there in asserting themselves and saying, look,
(44:27):
we can do either way. We can beat you on
the ground or we can beat you in the air.
And they did both. And so, you know, although the
games somewhat felt close, you know, certainly it felt like
in the end the better team won. And that's supporting
nine Ers by far.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, not particularly, not particularly be goose is the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I watched Deshaun
Watson play this year, and I just I don't know
what you do there. If you're a general manager, what
do you do with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 9 (44:59):
Yeah, I don't disagree. It's obviously not coming back. All
the distractions, whatever's going on inside of his head, the
different losses that come and go. It feels like a
guy that's lost the love of the game or just
can't get out of depression or something else that maybe
(45:20):
is going on. Because it's nowhere near the guy that
we saw at Houston when he was there and looked
like a top five quarterback in the National Football League.
It's all come off, and so you know, if you're
the Cleveland Browns, you know, they kept peeling the band
aid off to make the wound worse, and they kept
moving money around to make the situation tougher. And I
know there's lots of rumors that they may try to
(45:40):
trade him and give up collateral to get him off
the books. They may have to do that if they
can find a partner, even if it's not going to
be all the cap, but part of it. You know,
at this point, you live it in your bed. You
made your veggie, You're gonna lie in it. I think
you're gonna have to sit there and watch Deshaun Watson
play at least halfway through the season, and then if
you want to pull the ball and give it to
Jamis because you don't want something to happen from an
(46:03):
injury perspective, even though he's on the cook. As long
as he's healthy, it's a lot easier to trade him,
even if you're trading him for you know, giving up
draft collateral to get rid of him. But this is
just a disaster for Cleveland, and you know, it's a
it's a situation that you know, as you made that
decision to trade for him and all the things that
(46:25):
are going on around him, sure certainly you're paying for
it right now. And that is a rough decision for
this franchise. And I got I got to tell you, Doug,
the teams that didn't get him have probably breathed a
heck of a five relief that they dodged the bull,
because some of those best deals are the ones you
don't do.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
No question, no question at all. Happens in our recruiting
Abiston College. Recruiting happens in the NFL, happens in the NBA.
Absolutely true. Mark domins our guests, of course, a longtime
member of the Tampa front office. He was a general
manager of Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He joins us on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's DeVante Adams
(47:02):
that true value?
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Like?
Speaker 9 (47:04):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I've said I think you
can probably get a two for them. I know a
lot of people are worried about his contract, but I
think you could probably you would ask for it to
certainly if I'm Tom TELLUSCA, that's what I'm asking for.
I think you've got to get to a couple more
weeks until you get down to a three where you're saying, hey, look,
we realize this is not going to happen and it's over.
I just worry about this, and I worry that as
(47:27):
a GM, you're setting a precedent. So if a guy
doesn't want to be there, he has to complain enough
publicly and you'll get rid of him. Well, does that
mean Max Crosby can do it? And in two years
from now brock Bowers can do it? And you know,
you just got to be very careful as a GM
how you walk through this decision because it does set
a precedent within your organization to say, hey, just be
(47:47):
a bad guy and you can get out of here.
And you've got to understand that that's just isn't how
it's going to work. So I think coach Pearce is
in a unique spot. He certainly needs to have as
many conversations with him and Devanta Adams got to get
back on the football field and produce easy could be
frustrated on the bench. You know, go out there and
play and see how you perform and then you know
it's not like they weren't throwing to the ball, Dug
(48:08):
he was averaging nine looks.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
A game.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Mark. Great stuff has always been enjoyed the football this weekend.
Thanks for being our guests.
Speaker 9 (48:17):
You bet my pleasure with Playlark
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