December 4, 2024 • 52 mins
On this edition of The Best of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to the latest College Football Playoff standings and makes a case for the SEC teams that have been left out.
In this week's version of "The Midway", Doug and the crew talk about the most memorable celebrations in sports throughout the years.
Doug weighs in on Mike McCarthy's situation with the Cowboys before welcoming FOX Sports college football analyst RJ Young onto the show.
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sight of our first Horizon League basketball game. That's that's
the league at my club, the Green Bay Phoenix participates in.
And it's just like a real quick trivia for you,
which is we we practice today, but not at the
site of our game, our game. He is at i UI.
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Every people were like, I've never heard of that school,
have you ever? And Dan Byer, He's heard of every school. Dan,
do you remember I U p ui ouey poohy as
some people would call it. Yes, Yes, that's Indiana University
Purdue University in Indianapolis. Most big state institutions have have what
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are they called sister campuses or there's another term for it.
They have other branch satellite campuses. That's it. So what
it was was, it's a major university, okay in Indianapolis,
jointly funded by Indiana and Purdue. Well, Purdue is like, nah,
we're out, We're going to do our own thing. Indiana's like,
we're still in. So now it's Indiana University, Indianapolis. I
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think I think it should be hey, we're no longer
pooey were OOI were no longer pooey. I think that's
actually a good kind of motivational Like at Green Bay
we say, you know, we together we rise, Right, that's
because where the phoenix, the phoenix rise from the ashes.
I like that. How about OOI no longer pooey come
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to Indianapolis University in Indiana University in Napolis and just
again throwing that out there marketing guys were School of
Business Oklahoma State University. Just I just offering that up anyway,
Bayer you know this, okay, But I'll give you the
quiz that the others failed before the show. They failed miserably.
I UI's on campus gym known as the Jungle. They're
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the Jaguars, so their gym is the Jungle. They play
in the Jungle gym. Anyway, not available for shoot around
except for eight to nine am too early, one to
two pm too late. So I called the folks at
at a different school and we got to shoot around.
Who's the most successful program in the history of the
Horizon League? Dan Byer?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Butler?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And like way, Butler's not. I know they're not yet dead.
There you go, Dan Byer. When they went to back
to back national championships, they were in the Horizon League,
and then they elevated to the Atlantic Ten. Then they
elevated to the Big East and now they're proud member
of the Big East. Anyway, I got to practice today
at famed Hinkle Fieldhouse and then make the point, Hey,
this is the model. This is. It can be done
from the Horizon League. Butler did it from the Rising League.
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Why can't we?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
And I feel that Valpo was the program prior to that?
Would that be prior to Butler?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
As far as the one that yes, yes, yes, and
you know Oakland's had some success Oakland last year obviously
be Kentucky and the NCAA tournament and great camp. He
has been there forever. This is the Doug Gotlib Show
here on Fox Sports trait speaking of Indiana, Folks Indiana
are happy, not with me, but with the Selex Committe
because right now they're still in the field. It looks
like they'll be in the field for the first college
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football Playoff. But the folks at Miami not particularly not
particularly happy. Yesterday, the new college Football Playoff standings came
out and Miami was the first team out. Jim Phillips
is the commissioner of the ACC. He had this to
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say in a written statement. Miami has more wins and
fewer losses than any other team directly ahead of them,
and a dominant victory over an SEC team whose late
season surge included a win over number thirteen Old Miss.
More Over, a team with two losses combye by nine
points to rank team like Syracuse and Georgia Tech. They
just took Georgia. That a Georgia Tech team that took
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number five Georgia to eight overtimes. Miami absolutely deserves better
from the committee that from Dan Radovich. He tweeted this
in his reaction, Okay, can I make a do you
guys mind buyer? Can we Can I make a counterpoint?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Were?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah? Okay, here's the thing I don't like, and this
is not just about sports. Actually, I I think Jay
stew you'll love this because you love talking about politics.
So do I probably too much. We're not in the
same end of the political spectrum. I'm not opposite you.
I'm much more, as I've told people, in the middle
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as opposed to I think you're actually more in the
middle than you lead out to believe. You just hate
the fringes, especially one of the fringes. If you were
going to make the argument that, hey, we beat Florida
first game of the season, they smote Florida. Jim Phillips
did what politicians always do, right, What do politicians always do?
They curiously omit things that don't work in their favor.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, here's one curious omission. Yes, Florida did did have
a huge late season, search they did so with a
different quarterback than the one who played Week one of
the season. Okay, Additionally, if we're going with the hey,
we only lost by a handful of points to Georgia
Tech and Syracuse, here's the counterpoint, should have lost Virginia Tech,
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should have lost to cal. There was one other game,
like three in a row. It was an absolute miracle
that they beat Virginia Tech, that they beat Call. There's
one other game that was an absolute escape, but commissioners
don't want to say that. Look, we've been paying attention.
And here's the thing, Okay, I think Miami. I would
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I have less problem with Miami being in as opposed
to SMU if SMU lose this Saturday or Indiana even
And my logic is this, I believe that the SEC
is far and away the best league, and that any
historical data you want to give me, which by the way,
also proves the SEC is the best league, isn't even appropriate.
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Because this is a new era. You can legally buy players,
and the SEC has spent more money than anybody else,
and it doesn't always work out to be a better team,
but it is a much better, much more talented league,
much more difficult week week to win the SEC than
in any other league. And I'm gonna Luma the Big twelve.
I'm a huge Big twelve fan. Of course, we live
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in Big ten country. Okay, I've lived in Pac ten,
Pac twelve country forever. This has nothing to do with
I don't get paid by any of these conferences. I'm
not trying to see the downfall of the league. I'm
just telling you the reality, especially now that I'm in
college basketball. You know why last night there was the
SEC ACC Challenge. Correct or it's part of two night deal.
There were ten games, how many of the ACC. The
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ACC is as vaunted a basketball league as there has
ever been. Think about this in the ACC. Duke and
Carolina they played the night, didn't play last night. In fairness,
Virginia they played tonight, they don't play. Did't play last night? Okay, Duke, Carolina,
Virginia all national champions in recent years. Okay, they have Louisville,
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they have Syracuse like in terms of name recognition, college
basketball programs that they're amazing. Last night or ten games
the SEC one night of them. The only loss. The
only loss was Kentucky, obviously the biggest name in the
SEC basketball. They lost on the road to Clemson. Where
road games that happens, especially when there's a disproportionate number
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of fouls. The point is that the SEC has and
uses more money on their players than any other conference.
It's absolutely inarguable you'll have a one off Ohio State football,
for example, most people believe their budgets around twenty million dollars,
which is tops in all of college football. Now, maybe
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not the top, it's one of the tops. And it
doesn't mean that Ohio State's a perfect team. Matter of fact,
in two of their biggest tests they failed. But the
point is that it creates a greater depth of talent
and a likelihood of success that you just don't have
when you're dealing with a million dollar, two million dollars,
five million dollar payroll. It's just the reality of it.
They have better players because they spend more money. Go figure,
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It's like buying a car. Is every one hundred thousand
dollars car better than every thirty thousand dollars car. No,
you can get a limit, but by and large, better materials,
better build quality, better likelihood of a better vehicle. That's
the reality to it. And I get that Miami is like,
hey we're Miami. First of all, you haven't been relevant
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in years, so let's not act like your name wreckon.
But also I would say that Miami gets the Miami
Pass because people want Miami to be relevant because Miami
was so good for so long. I mean, honestly, if
Jim Phillips is honest with himself, okay, is honest with himself.
SMU having only one loss is a bad look for
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the league. It shows how bad the league is. Historically.
Virginia Tech is awesome. Historically, Miami is awesome. Historically, Florida
State is awesome. Florida State won one game this year.
Virginia Tech. It's been a while since they've been a
off the mat and this is the best Miami has
been in a decade. And you lost to your last
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three games, two teams that aren't in the playoffs. And
you could say, well, they're good teams. Great, you didn't
beat them, And who did you beat? Great? You beat
a Florida team that's not in the discussion. It's not
one of the top seven or eight teams in the SEC.
And by the way, a Florida team that's that changed
quarterbacks since Miami smoked them to start to start the year.
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My thing is was and has always been I think
the SEC is the best league. I thinkf it's ever
if it's even close. I mean Old Miss has got
better players. Yeah, I think Alabama belongs in. And I'm
interested to see what happens if is Bois's staking really
gonna be a top four seed? Like what are we
actually doing? Is Indiana really going to be in the
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field when they have zero victories over anybody in the
field and all of their wins against the bottom of
the Big ten? So, byr, what do you think, Bud?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, I'll say I'll say this. I think that the
comments from Jim Phillips were expected. I thought that the
comments from Ward Manuel were pretty glaring when he said
that the teams that aren't playing this weekend have no
more data points for them to change their resume.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
That's actually not true, by the way, and I get
let me, let me help you up, and I don't
mean it up, but I'm gonna lose my train, I
thought if I do. Okay, So if South Carolina, who
I believe belongs in the field, If Clemson beats beats SMU,
and Clemson is the ACC champion and Clemson then goes
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to the College Football Playoff, that's absolutely a data point.
He's he's wrong, He's one hundred percent wrong. They just
beat Clemson at Clemson by three points.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I agree with you. I'm the one that's not in
power though, and neither are you.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
No I know, but again, like I was, I was
stunned that there wasn't a follow up question ward, respectfully,
what about Clemson? What about Clemson? If Clemson beats SMU,
doesn't that change the data points for South Carolina?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I thought? And the reason why that comment stood up
for a lot of reasons, and one that you plainly
laid out there, and yeah, he's exactly right. It would
enhance the resume of a team like South Carolina if
those Dominoes felt that way or felt that way, or
that domino fell that way. What I do find interesting
with this comment though, in looking at the bracket compared
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to what it was a week ago. All last week,
Doug was I complained about is the committee setting up
these rankings for rankings purposes or are they setting up
the rankings to have the correct bracket? And I felt
that they were just ranking teams for ranking teams. And
now when you look at the bracket that was released
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this week, what college football fan wouldn't want to see
those four games that they have in the first round
of the playoffs, and even their fallback would be like,
let's say Penn State beats Oregon in the Big Ten
championship game. Now you've got, you know, an Oregon possibly
against an Arizona State squad. Like these matchups are so
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salivating for the viewer that I feel that's where they
went as a committee that this meeting was like, all right,
we're going to fill out a bracket. It's no longer
about rankings. What's the best bracket that we could get.
And I feel that that's what they laid out. And
I think that's why he said what he said, because
he doesn't want to adjust Ohio State or Tennessee or
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Indiana or you know, like those schools because of the
place that they are, Notre Dame. Just that's where I
think he put those matchups, or this group put the matchups,
because this is how they wanted the bracket to look.
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in a second. Okay, the midway for those of us
shoe fos. You are just joining us middle of the week,
middle of the show, middle of the day. But uh,
before we get to that. I did want to get
to just this little thing in regards to so there
is a report that UCF Central Florida has reached out
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to USC to inquire about Lincoln Riley's interest. And and
and we had our j Young on last hour and
he's like, well, there must be smoked, he must be fire,
which all our ja. He does a great job with
his number one podcast. He's just too close to the
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forest to see the trees, right, And that if you
mention anything Lincoln Riley, people who are owe you people
or ou fans lose their mind. I think there's a
lot of reasons he took the se job, and one
is what's happened in Oklahoma, since no matter how good
you are, it's not going to be good enough in
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that sec But I also think that's what Central Florida
is doing. It's a no lose situation there. And by
the way, this happens all the time, all the time.
When you are the athletic director, you have your potential
dream hires, you have your dream highers, and then maybe
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you have a list of five guys that maybe they're
unhappy elsewhere, or maybe they think they're a year away
from getting fired. So you call Lincoln Riley and you're like, hey,
you call Ryan Day again. Ryan Day's not getting fired.
Lincoln Riley's not getting fired. The buyouts are too big.
Mike Gundy, you know he's got a twenty five million
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dollar buyout. Would you like to come and restart your
life and take another shot at Central Florida. Look, the
reality is Gus malls On was the head coach at
Central Florida. And what he did by taking the offensive
coordinator job. Uh, where do you take the offense coordinator
job at at Auburn? Where do you go take the
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offense court in your job?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Why?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm blanking my mind. Gus malls On did what they're
wondering if Lincoln Riley would do, which is taking inferior
job LSU. By the way, he answered, taking inferior job
because you know the job you have is likely going
to come to an end in twelve months. That's why
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he did it. We you know, you know the sign
when you hit your top tap the top of your head.
You guys know what that means in basketball, top the
top of your head, and then you do the circle.
That's reset the shot clock of Sorry, Gus Malson took
the offensive cording position at Florida State instead of being
the head coach at Central Florida. Why because he knew
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he's gonna get fired. I mean, the same thing happened
at UCLA last year. Right then Chip Kelly went and
took the Ohio State offensive court in her job, he
went from making I think six million to two million,
but doesn't have the stress still making seven figures, you know,
and gets the coach football. Don't have to worry about this.
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I just want to coach and instead of getting fired,
you just move on. So Central Florida doing it is
a shot in the dark. And you should call all
of these coaches that have had success, that you respect,
that you think do a pretty good job. But for
whatever reason, maybe it's just been too You've been at
one place too long. Maybe you want to get out
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of the cold. Not for Lincoln Riley, right, But that's
I think what's at play. Lincoln Riley's not leaving USC
for Central Florida. It is disrespect towards Central Florida. It is.
But Lincoln Riley probably thinks to himself, even if I
get fired at USC in a couple of years, I
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can still get Central Florida if I want it. Let's
get to the midway. He's not getting the middle with you.
It's time for the midway already. Case du what did
we what do we do? What do we land on?
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Do we land on? Worst celebrations? Most offensive celebrations are
just Dan wanted to talk about awesome celebrations.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Thank you, Doug all take it from here. I want,
you know, coming off of yesterday's you and Dan and
Sam had a very colorful argument about the the you know,
sticking the flag in the middle of the field, right,
very polarizing topic this week. Sticking the flag in the
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middle of the field, How offensive that is? And I
thought to myself, and I think you said several times
everybody knows that line not to cross. Everybody knows that line.
And I was thinking to myself, what are some examples
in the past of people that have crossed that line?
That would be an interesting midway. So I threw that
out to the group this morning on the group text,
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and Dan was like, why don't we open it up
a little bit more and we could add our favorite
celebrations as well. I excu negative. I love negativity. I
like when people are uncomfortable. It amuses me. Dan is
a much more glass half full. He's a positive guy.
So you have a choice in this segment. Most favorite
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celebrations or those celebrations that went too far that pissed
people off, and all started off along those lines. Okay,
Randy Moss in two thousand and five played the Packers.
He scored a touchdown, he pretended to drop his trial,
drop his pants, and I want to say he rubbed
his butt on the goalpost. If everyone could in fact
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check me on this, he was a disgusting act by Mott,
and I think, yeah, Joe Buck's comment Terry on that
has has since been he has he is admitted to
regretting those comments. But I think that that was a
memorable celebration because in the moment, because it was in
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Green Bay and he was showing him his rear very offensive.
Randy Moss was a polarizing guy. Anyways, we were in
a different time, you know. He was kind of like
the AI of the NFL. He was the Allen Iverson
of the NFL, and I think he got a lot
maybe people overreacted to him his disrespect a little bit
more back in the day. So Randy Moss and the
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mooning celebration is my input, what do you guys think.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I think I loved I loved the topic. My thing
would be it was I didn't understand the level of
offense that Joe Buck took to it in any way.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
That's what he regrets.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, yeah, okay, buyer, you you have a great memory
for all of these things.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well yeah, and there's and I wanted to just I
wanted to skew positive because I felt that there were
some actually great celebrations that we have seen previously, and
none better than the Fun Bunch back in the day
when when Washington, yeah Washington then Redskins with their wide
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receiving core. Charlie Brown was a member of it, not
the cartoon actual player. I think our Monk was part
of the Fun Bunch as well. The uh, but they
would get in the middle of the end zone and
they would all do a high five together after a touchdown.
And I think it's it's my earliest recognition or memory
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of actual celebrations and team celebrations was that. So that's
why I wanted to open up in terms of the
fun celebrations, because I think that it could go a
lot of a lot of different ways. Maybe you weren't
a Washington fan, so you hated that, but it was.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You, you know, I like that. I was in college.
I don't why did they start the mile high salute?
Was anybody? Was there any sort of military tie to it?
Was Mike Anderson was the guys sayed Mike Anderson was running.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Back with he was a marine. But Trel Davis did
it before.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It was Trel Davis before him. Right again, that was
I was thinking the timeline. So does anyone know why
they started? For whatever reason? I liked the mile high salute?
I don't. And we did it when we were in college,
were playing because Adrian Peterson is our best player, uh,
not the football player, the basketball player from Little Rock, Arkansas,
and he loved the Broncos. A couple of guys liked
the broncos. Of course they were winning. Everybody like seems
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that are winning, and we did the mile high salute
for a little bit.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
There there's a if you just do the quick Google search,
artificial intelligence tells us that uh Davis is credited with
the tradition as he saluted the crowd after every touchdown.
Some say a military mindset and master P inspired the salute.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Master P because they were boudy, boudy, rowdy, rowdy, make
them say oh mecanim say no, no, no na. It
was a dark dark days for Ratney. Those of us
were raps dark.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Oh no, it sounded pretty cool what he just did.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Dark days, dark days. Yeah, yo, this is every college
party ever into. Our guys would take over the DJ
thing and next thing, you know, Mystical and master P were.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I'll tell you another one that may have been disrespectful
to the opponent, and I know the National Football League
didn't like it, but Joe Horn's cell phone celebration when
he hid the cell phone underneath to the goal post
padding creativity. Yes, that's there's that was great. It was
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I think it was a flip phone. Maybe Thomas do
that too?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Wait what am I thinking.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Of he could get to Joe Horn, George, Hey, who
was you would know it was it Webster Slaughter and
who is the other Browns wide receiver? They used to
jump up like they're gonna have high five, but it's
like a high chest pump for the Browns that this
is a buyer one.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I know you, Gosh are the Brown's receiver?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah? Who was the other Browns receiver?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Well, hit Ozzie knew some on those teams. I know
they had Frank Minefield in hand for Dixon with a Corners.
Oh gosh, I can't remember off the top of my head.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I keep thinking of Billy White Shoes Johnson, but totally
different era. But he'd also had a memorable celebration, right
he was the dancer, Yeah, white Shoes.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Ernest Gibbons did the electric slide for the order.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah. Well there was also I mean William refrigerator. Oh no,
hike shuffle, Yeah yeah, Ikey shuffle still relevant to this day. Well,
they brought it back for the TV commercial Super TV commercial. Right,
It's like in there he was doing like the frozen
food section or something.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I think a second place to that was the Dirty
Bird Jamal Anderson in the.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Fact like the dirty bird. I like the dirty bird
a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That was kind of whatever about it. Yeah, I really
wasn't bad about it. But but.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I think Eugene Robinson took that phrase literally a couple
of nights before the Super Bowl he wanted to be
a dirty bird.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well, listen, Jamal Anderson, he had his own.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Be There are a lot of there are a lot
of things out there. There are a lot of celebrations
in different different sports. I don't think he was. I
don't think was he.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I don't think he was the one off in the
bathroom honety.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
No, No, he was the one with the yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, no, no, Jamal Anderson, Oh, Jamal Anderson, Yeah, running
back Atlanta Falcons slightly later era than Eugene Robinson.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yes, okay, gotcha, he was. No, they played on the
same team because JA and played in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, okay, yeah. I think it was like a little
bit later on, like post career he had issue. Bathroom issue.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I will say this. In Major League Baseball and maybe
Sweater maybe Jason remembers this, but Princefielder once hit a
walk off home run against the San Francisco Giants and
as soon as he touched home plate because the team
was a round him walk off shot. All of the
Brewers fell down and it was just Print standing on
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home plate with his arms extended, and the Giants just
hated everything about that. But it was great showmanship at
that point, and it was something that nobody had ever
done before or had ever seen. And because you just
thought people would be jumping up and down like they
always do, and they all fell to the ground. Yes,
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that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
What do you guys to get you mentioned mile high salute?
Maybe most iconic celebrations like that would be that would
be up there and I'm looking at I'm watching the
Golf channel right now, and obviously Tiger Woods isn't isn't
playing now, But like I think of him, Yes, yes,
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his fist bump is one of the the all timers.
It's tough, it's individual sport. It's also natural, it's not planned,
but that is one of the that's one of the
iconic ones.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Well.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Chichi Rodriguez also used to right, he take the grip
side of his and he do the little like swordsman thing,
and then he would put it in in his side
a little zorro so anigo montoyo. Only he knew something
that we did not know. You know what that is, Sam,
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Princess Bride. Yes that he was not left handed.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Oh Sell, you're asking me about the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yes, Sam, Do you have any celebrations? Is there any
Iowa celebrations?
Speaker 5 (28:45):
I was sort of thinking in the in more along
the lines of like stuff that fans do or that
stuff that the team does as a whole. I will
share with you guys this one. This is the Iowa
Marching band. When they're at home and they get a victory,
they do the Iowa victory poke, and I'll sing along
for you guys.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
For your no, No, we're good. We're good.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
In heaven there is no beer. Come on, guys. That's
why we drink it here. And when we're gone from here,
our friends will be drinking all our beer all our
be here. I was off to you. I was a
little bit and you guys get it. And then they
go into the locker room and they do like a
sped up fight song where they kind of chant it,
(29:25):
they don't really sing it as the team does that
behind closed doors. Back when Hayden Fry was a coach.
They used to do the hokey pokey. They always get
that on video. So there's a couple of fun ones
from from Iowa. I do love the uh. I'm not
sure it's like a positive thing, but I do love
the Paul Bunyan's ax chopping down the goalpost, which we
talked about yesterday. And then when PJ. Fleck in Minnesota
got the victory over Wisconsin this past weekend, you know,
(29:50):
he had a he had like an inflatable axe and
they had him on like he was crowdsurfing in the
locker room and he was just smashing that thing against
the ceiling and it was just the funniest, the funniest
visual you could imagine. So I did enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I have thought of working the sweater tie.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
I think I think it's a good look for him.
He's just sort of a Jim Trustle thing.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, you like it. You think that's his deal.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
The quarters and the tie that can work. He owns it.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I lost. I have a really cool we have white
quarter zips, black green. All these college basketball coaches wear
quarter zips. My white one I love and I lost it.
So and we're like out of them because everybody loves them,
so we just ordered some new quoter. We got some
black ones coming in that they are really nice, spicy.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
I have one more thing quickly. You know, I wasn't
a fan of this before, but I really come to like,
love and respect Freddy Freeman, and I did not like
his little like on bas Dance. I call it the
geometric parallel arms. I guess you could call it. But
now all the players do it because they love him,
and I think it's cool, it's fine. It's it's just like,
you know, they won the World Series and he was
the man, so you know what I'm talking about where
(30:53):
he goes like the little pit a little to the
second thing.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Don't they all do that?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
But he's didn't. He started though, right he was. He's
that baseball.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
There's there's lots of them when dudes are a cadillacing
around the around the base path.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
By the way, while we're on the quarter zips. If
you ordered a bunch of them, feel free to bring
three of them in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I've actually we've discussed this as a staff. I asked, uh, Caden,
the captain, who's our equipment guy? Like, hey, dude, I said, hey,
I need some quarter zips. I ordered you too. No, no,
I need like ten fifteen of them. It's like why,
It's like because my guys all want those, so I'll
have it when I get back on the on the
(31:39):
quarter zips, they're nice, they're company. There's like two levels
of the Adidas ones. There's like the basic ones, which
I'll give you, and then there's a really nice soft
ones which are supple weight.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
So we've had but Doug Department, remember hold on the
Department of Corrections. Mike Lingar just came in. He he
told me that the whole Freddie Freeman parallel gm arms
started when Freddy was at a party and a viral
video started where he did that as a dance move,
and then his teammates started clowning him and I didn't
know this, and uh and then it's become just a thing,
a h A S team thing. So thank you, thank you,
(32:12):
Mike Lingard.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I liked to listen in chadow Chasinko. He didn't need
to do the golf or the football one. Did a
bowling one as well. Yeah, he did some ones.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Rememory wore like they made a Hall of Fame jacket
for him on the sidelines, but they had to make
it so big, so a door around his shoulder pads.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yes, what's funny is that's the closest he'll ever get
to wearing a Hall of Fame jacket, right.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Oh yeah, that's the.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Ultimate irony in it is like, yeah, that's did he
make the Hall of Fame? Like well, sort of in
his own mind?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Uh tea.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I mean, listen, I was never a big T O
guy because he was all about himself. But the too
celebration with the T and the O was kind of cool.
It was definitely his own thing. Well, Barry Sanders just
flipped the ball.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
The referee went on on what was it the Dallas
Star as a member of the.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Eagles, Yes, I thought Niners. I think it is when
he was on the Niners Star.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And then he became according to the Dallas cabin, did.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
The sharpie against the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah. I mean NFL football has kind of been our
soccer in terms of celebrations, so you know, obviously, I mean, like, look,
I've never liked the Night Night deal with Steph Curry,
but when he hit those four threes the Olympics, and
the last one was ridiculous, and then he hit him
with the Night Night like, I don't know if there's
a I can't think of a better and any championship
(33:39):
sporting event than what he did there. And then that
celebration fitted it was pretty cool, pretty good. All right,
We're good. That is the Midway. The Midway.
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We didn't get to yesterday. I'm sure everybody has a
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(34:24):
That'll be next hour.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
R J.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Young's going to join us up coming in about five minutes.
He's Fox Sports college football analyst, host of the Number
one Show podcast on Fox Sports. But let's let's talk
about the Cowboys. Why, well, they're the Cowboys. Let's talk
about the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Why, well, because they're the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Cowboys all right, we do have some new sound for you,
some Cowboys South. This comes from Dak Prescott. Of course,
Mike McCarthy is in a lame duck year. To this point,
Jerry Jones, to this point, Jerry Jones has really offered
nothing in terms of the idea that Mike McCarthy wouldn't
be back. Here's Dak Prescott on his coaches contract status.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
I believe in him wholeheartedly. I think he definitely deserves
a chance another another contract. And I had a chance
to coach this team amongst and and kind of I
guess you can say more influence on his terms. Uh
maybe be a maybe be a good way to say it.
But but I wholeheartedly believe in him. The guys won
(35:33):
a Super Bowl. I know Jerry's attested to that. There's
not many guys or coaches who have done that, and
to have one that can do it from experience, and
I know how valuable he's been for me.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Okay, So that's Dak doing what so many athletes won't do, Okay,
which is this is my guy. I want to play
for him. He didn't do the Jimmy Chitwood when we
are in Indiana. Okay, he has a familiar with Jimmy Chitwood.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Jake calling Dan Byer.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Of course Dan Byer knows it. Jase Stu, are you
familiar with the Jimmy Chitwood?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
No, O, Sam, you're familar with Jimmy Chitwood, are you not?
Speaker 5 (36:15):
He was coached by Gene Hackman.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I understand. But the Jimmy Chipwood the scene I'm talking
about in the Fame movie Hoosiers.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
I missed you on that one, I guess.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Okay, so here's the scene and buyer. If I miss anything,
you helped me out. Okay. Jimmy Chitwood is the basketball
star at Hickory, but he's not. He didn't play the
first couple of games. He didn't come to practice. He
just shoot out in his hoop, out in his farm
hey with a dirt floor and wooden backboard to hoop
(36:47):
and never missed. But he wasn't playing. The season got
off to a more than rocky start, where the coach,
played by Gene Hackman, actually finished one of the games
with only four players on the floor, despite the fact
that he had one that was eligible to play. After
(37:09):
one of his players filed out another woman was hurt.
He said, my team is on the floor. He wanted
his team to play his way and he didn't care
if they won or lost. Because of it, the town
called a meeting to take a vote whether or not
they wanted to continue with the coach or fire the coach.
They took that vote, but before they read the tally
(37:29):
of the vote, Jimmy Chipwood came in from outside and said,
I think it's time for me to start playing ball.
The crowd erupted. The crowd erupted, and that was when
they read the tally that the coach was out, was
no longer going to be the coach. But Jimmy chit
Wood said, hey, there's one more thing. Coach stays, I play,
(37:53):
coach goes, I go. That's the Jimmy chip Wood. Sammy,
are you familiar?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Student, aw, you're familiar. Okay, So so he didn't he
didn't do the Jimmy Chitwood, but he said, this is
my guy and he's won a Super Bowl. He went
through all the things. Let me read between the lines
of what Dak Prescott said. Okay. In reading between the lines,
(38:22):
Mike McCarthy didn't get to pick Mike Zimmers' defensive coordinator,
probably some other staff members he didn't get to pick,
and the defense has been an abject disaster more than anything.
They likely don't fit, don't get along. And so what
Dak said without saying it is, hey, give a new
contract and then let him pick his own staff, and
(38:44):
if it still doesn't work, you can get rid of
all of us. That was what I heard, Dan. Do
you hear anything different.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I think it's pretty strong. I just think that Dak's
playing the right cards. But yeah, you're more You're more
bester than me.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Okay, okay, one of the worst defense in the country.
I'm sure there's anything else you can do.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
R J.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Young joined just of course, he got the number one
show on Fox Sports that covers college football. Ur Ja,
let me let me start with the news of the
day before we get to the college football playoff. Any
chance Lincoln Riley leaves sc for Central Florida.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Well, I don't think they're sniffing, just, you know, out
of something that they don't know. If they sense that
you would like to leave that place, perhaps they're trying
to initiate such a thing. And I don't know Doug
three years ago. This man is the head coach at
in Oklahoma that is going to the college football Playoffs,
a few pieces away from playing for national championships. So
(39:42):
it is quite unimaginable for me to think of you
leaving Oklahoma only to end up in Central Florida in
three years time. So I don't know that he's going
to go, but that there's interest in that. The ninety
million dollar buyout is not really that big a deal
says a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, I don't think there's any interest. I don't think
they're sniffing for anything. I think they want attention, and
they're doing what good athletic directors should do, which is like, hey,
let's find somebody's really good that that might be a
year or two away from getting fired, and see if
they want to restart to shar clock, I will point
out r J. I would. I'd like a little credit here.
People said, hey, he's leaving because he's scared of the
(40:22):
SEC's like, no, he knows it's almost impossible for you
to win at Oklahoma to level they want you to
win at in the SEC. Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
No, No, it's not. It's not even a little bit fare.
You know better than most people. It's Oklahoma duns, seven
national championships, seven Hiding Trophy winners, We rented a room
at the College Football Playoff. Oldness doesn't do that, Albert,
you won a national championship in the twenty first century.
They don't do that, all right, No, it is not
out of the question in Oklahoma having a sixty six
(40:53):
year still beats an Alabama team that looks destined to
make the College Football Playoff. So that's two years in
a row that Oklahoma would have a win against teams
that are playing in the College Football Playoff. That it's
fourteen or twelve teams, make no different to me. Oklahoma's
right where they want to be. And I think that
you know, Lincoln could have had that spot too. Now
it's for invitable too.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
They're where they want to be.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, they're in the SEC, that's what. No.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
But but are they as a football program? They're a
non player, they have no the residents. All that stuff
has changed, r J. I mean, honestly, the reason that
it's it's not anything about Oklahoma, it's just they're in
a deeper pool of teams that haven't spend more money
than they do. That's the reality of it.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
These are I don't see it that way. And the
reason that I don't see it that way is Oklahoma
went six and seven twenty twenty two, one ten games
next year, it's been evan more than it's been flowing
here of late. But when Indiana can win eleven games,
when S and U can make.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
That's in the Big Ten, that's in the ACC. It's
it's not again Like listen.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
When when Texas can make it an EC championship.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
They have twice the money of Oklahoma twice and.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
They've only had twice the money of Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
And right now you can spend it on players. Now
you can go and actually buy the players legally, buy
them legally, I argue, look at I love your passion,
I love your knowledge of Oklahoma. I'm going to tell
you that everybody in.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
The sport you think, you think I'm an idiot about this. No, no,
I just I just no.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
I just think in this like, look, my argument for
why the SEC should get five, hell even six teams
in is the same reason I think it's going to
be really really hard for Oklahoma to compete is those
other schools. Oklahoma's all in on football, but the all
in is totally different. The advantage they had in the
Big Twelve was they were historically dominant in that league. Okay,
(42:53):
and every year they were in the Big Twelve Championship,
and they could go to all the kids in Texas
and be like, look all those other schools even though
even on A and M and ithurt them a little
bit when A and M got into the SEC, But
all those other schools that are in the SEC, they're
fighting cratch and gone. We're in the Big Tell champion
to every single year every year, and we play close
to home. Now all those schools in Texas play close
(43:14):
to home and are in the SEC. They can pay
more money at A and M and at all those
other schools, and you no longer have the historic dominance,
nor do you have the spending dominans. You're not playing
you're not competing against Kansas and Iowa State and Oklahoma State.
They're inferior programs based upon history and spending. That doesn't
matter any The history doesn't matter anymore. All that matters
(43:36):
is the amount of money that you have. That's that's
what really matters, and that's why the SEC is so dominant.
They have better players than everybody else. And this Oklahoma squad,
I think, probably wins the Big Twelve, and they're not
really competitive in the SEC.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
You've got an Oklahoma State from mine right now.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
No, no, no, why I had nothing to do with Oklahoma State.
This is the reality.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Allow me, allow me, allow them, allow me. You stay
in the Oklahoma is competing with Kansas State, Texas, Texas,
these teams for no.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
No, no, no, that's not what I said. That's not
what I said previously, RJ RJ RJ. Previously they were
playing against inferior posts. They were the Yankees playing against
the Rays, playing against the Indians, or sorry, the Guardians
(44:23):
playing against the Royals. Now they're the Red Sox against
the Yankees. The Dodgers, like all those teams have more
money and spend more money than they do. They're not
even the Red Sox. They just do. Look at their budgets.
You're now, you're at the low end. When they were
number two in budget and number one in history in
the Big Twelve and Big Eight.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I'm from a state that was created at than air
in the twentieth century. I'm from a place that has
tornadoes and dust Bowls. I'm from a place that doesn't
really always have the advantages that you're talking about, and
yet and still managed to show up and beat people.
One it's time to beat people. This too will pass.
It's gonna be okay. Oklahoma's in the SEC. It's a
bad year by Oklahoma standards. They're still going bowling the
(45:09):
only team in the state that is. I think that
they're gonna be just fine. Now, I think you're also
onto something when you're talking about where you're putting the money.
But when Ohio State can spend twenty million dollars to
not beat Michigan, there's only so much of the money
gonna do at one point or another. You got to
get the coaching right. And that's one of the things
that Oklahoma's been able to do historically. But also this
is a bigger point, right and I think you and
(45:30):
I could swarm up on Bolton on this. The injuries
that happen Oklahoma this year should never happen. You've got
injuries all up and down that roster. I think that's
Jerry Schmidt that you've got to call cast. Why don't
we have our best players on the football field for
most of the year, And why is it that we
can go and beat Alabama with second and third stringers
when we can't even get it up to be the
Tennessee team that we should probably be. So forth so on.
(45:50):
I think it's just a series of bad events that
have happened for Oklahoma. But I don't think this is
Oklahoma's being normal.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Okay, let's get to the college football playoff rankings. Okay,
help me make sense of it. Here's the first one.
We talked about this a little bit earlier in the show.
Wart Manuel said, there's no new data points for teams
that aren't playing this weekend. I'm looking at South Carolina
that just beat Clemson at Clemson, Clemson plays SMU. If
(46:18):
Clemson beats SMU did the ACC champion, that's a new
data point for South Carolina. Why will the committee not
look at South Carolina through a different lens if Clemson
wins this weekend?
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I thought the SIST committee is off as rocker from
the jump. That's one right, Boise State being one of
your top four. I had frank Conference champions give me
a break man. So that on its face, but if
South Carolina things Oklahoma, they'd be in the College football playoffs,
and it's suck to say it that way, But who
looks at their resume. They got six wins to get
stop twenty five programs. Their only losses are get stop
(46:52):
twenty five programs. They played a tough schedule and they
won nine frigging games. You know, maybe the Tennessee team
that should be a seman Tennessee team, they beat a
county team that should be in the college football playoffs
any other year still could get there. I'm with you.
I think that there are still data points to be
That's why we're playing conference championships because there's new data points.
I also think that this committee doesn't know if it's
(47:13):
coming or going, you know, because on the one hand,
they tell me they value wins. On the other hand,
anybody wants that looks at SMU's resume will tell you
they got two wins against teams that are above five hundred.
It's not a great schedule. The loss to YU doesn't
look so good now the YU is not playing in
the Big twelve championship. I think that Warden Manual is
in the spot that every chair has been in since
(47:33):
we've created this thing, which is you're willing the bullet
proofs best for a bunch of suits that I don't
think watch football the way that I watch football, the
way that you watch football. We're better at this than
they are, but we still have to live with their results.
And let me add this part to it. You know
that this committee can and probably will choose violence because
there's nothing any here to say that They've got to
(47:53):
pick our highest rank conference champion. They don't have to
pick conference champions. They got to pick the twelve best teams.
And if they thought that can't state with one of
them and none of the others are our conference champions,
they could do that. We don't trust this group, and
we don't trust this institution as they put it together.
Somebody is going to have to take back controls or
put some more governance on this committee because I'm telling
(48:14):
you this will be the first and the last time
that a G five program gets one of those highest
power for spots that we thought we're going to go
to Power four schools. Now we're looking around going, really,
we're going to give this the boys think national japus
so they can go get their bust kick by Ohio State.
Really nobody wants that. I think I think you're right.
I think there's a new data point. I think at
SMU can get to win, everybody looks fine. But if
(48:36):
Clinton gets to win, then all hell breaks loose.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, the Boise you state thing, it's like it's one
of those we've gone and the pendulum swings right, We've
gone from the Hey, we got to make sure these
guys are part of this thing, right because the reality
of how the financial aspect of the sports. You have
to have the non Power four conferences involved. You have
(49:03):
to have them part of it because those guarantee games
make a lot of money for a lot of people.
They just do. You need them to be You need
everybody to feel like they're part of it. So you
got to give them a spot. But one of the
top four seeds, what are we doing, SMU, one of
the top four seeds, what are we doing? Right? And
(49:23):
even Indiana, it's like we're falling for the old banana
and the tailpipe. You beat the ACC, but you beat
the bottom of the ACC. Indiana, all the teams they beat,
we're at the bottom of the big ten. Literally, look
at their wins. They're all over the bottom of the
Big ten. Even the Michigan win, which looks better now
they beat Ohio State. Like Michigan was like seventh place
(49:45):
in the Big Ten. The only Big Ten team that
they've beaten that has an above five hundred record was
Michigan and they played Ohio State. Granted, it's a hard game,
it's on the road. Hey, they couldn't complete a forward pass.
We're putting them is one of the twelve best teams
in the country. It makes zero sense to me, zero
(50:05):
sense to me.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
So I think I'm loud. I think we're gonna have
to start talking about the quet part out loud, you know,
which is that we're gonna want to put teams in
these spots that rate, teams that have large following teams
that don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
I don't think. I don't think it has anything to
do with ratings. I honestly think it has to do
with the legitimacy, like college football has changed. People that
spend the money. It doesn't mean it's the magic elixure
to every problem, okay, but teams that spend the money
have better players, have better coaches, and are better and
they played against harder schedules against better teams like that's
(50:42):
the reality of it, you know, just the reality of it.
So I you know, I don't, and I think everyone
who's real, all the coaches in the sport, off air,
off Mike will tell you that, oh the SEC is
the best. It's a different sport. And then when they
have to come to talk about their conference, are like, look,
any get in Penn State Ohio State, Like, what are
(51:02):
we doing? I mean even Penn State's resume is very,
very very slim, very slim. I guess not a lot too.
There's not a lot of meat on that bone. But
they're Penn State and they kind of looked the part.
They spend a lot of money, like I I a
lot of men. But man, the Indiana thing, the Boise
Boise thing, the SMU thing makes zero sense to me.
(51:26):
Last thing, RJ. If you had to guess, it's not
an easy guests who wins this thing? Who is it?
Speaker 3 (51:33):
I mean, nobody's beating Oregon yet, man, Like, that's that's
just it. Nobody's beating that team. And Dan Lanny has
one of the more complete teams in the sport. Because
that's what it's become for me. It's who plays great defense,
who plays great offense. Having a better defense than a
better offense is going to probably give you a better
shot to win a championship like Texas. Right, Texas reminds
me of twenty twenty one Georgia. They're good enough offensively
(51:55):
to go get you forty if they need to, but
that defense has been playing lights out. They get a
chance to show that in the SEC champ Ship Game
this weekend. I think that Dan Lanning also gives you
coaches making a play, which is something I've been huge
on this year. Did the coach make a great timeout,
Did we call a great trick play? Did we call
the right fake hunt at the right time. Dan Lenny
(52:15):
has that stuff in his back pocket, and he wants
this more than I think any other coach in the
country wants this, and that matters. So right now, it
feels like the only team left in the entire sport
that is undefeated is going to run the table and
win the twelve team college football playoffs for the first time,
get Oregon their first national championship.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
That's our Jay Young Okay check out his show, okay
can download it. He's the host of the Number one
show podcast on Fox Sports r J. Great Stuff we'll
talk soon.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
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have you ever? And Dan Byer, He's heard of every school. Dan,
do you remember I U p ui ouey poohy as
some people would call it. Yes, Yes, that's Indiana University
Purdue University in Indianapolis. Most big state institutions have have what
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are they called sister campuses or there's another term for it.
They have other branch satellite campuses. That's it. So what
it was was, it's a major university, okay in Indianapolis,
jointly funded by Indiana and Purdue. Well, Purdue is like, nah,
we're out, We're going to do our own thing. Indiana's like,
we're still in. So now it's Indiana University, Indianapolis. I
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think I think it should be hey, we're no longer
pooey were OOI were no longer pooey. I think that's
actually a good kind of motivational Like at Green Bay
we say, you know, we together we rise, Right, that's
because where the phoenix, the phoenix rise from the ashes.
I like that. How about OOI no longer pooey come
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to Indianapolis University in Indiana University in Napolis and just
again throwing that out there marketing guys were School of
Business Oklahoma State University. Just I just offering that up anyway,
Bayer you know this, okay, But I'll give you the
quiz that the others failed before the show. They failed miserably.
I UI's on campus gym known as the Jungle. They're
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the Jaguars, so their gym is the Jungle. They play
in the Jungle gym. Anyway, not available for shoot around
except for eight to nine am too early, one to
two pm too late. So I called the folks at
at a different school and we got to shoot around.
Who's the most successful program in the history of the
Horizon League? Dan Byer?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Butler?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
And like way, Butler's not. I know they're not yet dead.
There you go, Dan Byer. When they went to back
to back national championships, they were in the Horizon League,
and then they elevated to the Atlantic Ten. Then they
elevated to the Big East and now they're proud member
of the Big East. Anyway, I got to practice today
at famed Hinkle Fieldhouse and then make the point, Hey,
this is the model. This is. It can be done
from the Horizon League. Butler did it from the Rising League.
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Why can't we?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
And I feel that Valpo was the program prior to that?
Would that be prior to Butler?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
As far as the one that yes, yes, yes, and
you know Oakland's had some success Oakland last year obviously
be Kentucky and the NCAA tournament and great camp. He
has been there forever. This is the Doug Gotlib Show
here on Fox Sports trait speaking of Indiana, Folks Indiana
are happy, not with me, but with the Selex Committe
because right now they're still in the field. It looks
like they'll be in the field for the first college
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football Playoff. But the folks at Miami not particularly not
particularly happy. Yesterday, the new college Football Playoff standings came
out and Miami was the first team out. Jim Phillips
is the commissioner of the ACC. He had this to
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say in a written statement. Miami has more wins and
fewer losses than any other team directly ahead of them,
and a dominant victory over an SEC team whose late
season surge included a win over number thirteen Old Miss.
More Over, a team with two losses combye by nine
points to rank team like Syracuse and Georgia Tech. They
just took Georgia. That a Georgia Tech team that took
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number five Georgia to eight overtimes. Miami absolutely deserves better
from the committee that from Dan Radovich. He tweeted this
in his reaction, Okay, can I make a do you
guys mind buyer? Can we Can I make a counterpoint?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Were?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah? Okay, here's the thing I don't like, and this
is not just about sports. Actually, I I think Jay
stew you'll love this because you love talking about politics.
So do I probably too much. We're not in the
same end of the political spectrum. I'm not opposite you.
I'm much more, as I've told people, in the middle
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as opposed to I think you're actually more in the
middle than you lead out to believe. You just hate
the fringes, especially one of the fringes. If you were
going to make the argument that, hey, we beat Florida
first game of the season, they smote Florida. Jim Phillips
did what politicians always do, right, What do politicians always do?
They curiously omit things that don't work in their favor.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, here's one curious omission. Yes, Florida did did have
a huge late season, search they did so with a
different quarterback than the one who played Week one of
the season. Okay, Additionally, if we're going with the hey,
we only lost by a handful of points to Georgia
Tech and Syracuse, here's the counterpoint, should have lost Virginia Tech,
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should have lost to cal. There was one other game,
like three in a row. It was an absolute miracle
that they beat Virginia Tech, that they beat Call. There's
one other game that was an absolute escape, but commissioners
don't want to say that. Look, we've been paying attention.
And here's the thing, Okay, I think Miami. I would
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I have less problem with Miami being in as opposed
to SMU if SMU lose this Saturday or Indiana even
And my logic is this, I believe that the SEC
is far and away the best league, and that any
historical data you want to give me, which by the way,
also proves the SEC is the best league, isn't even appropriate.
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Because this is a new era. You can legally buy players,
and the SEC has spent more money than anybody else,
and it doesn't always work out to be a better team,
but it is a much better, much more talented league,
much more difficult week week to win the SEC than
in any other league. And I'm gonna Luma the Big twelve.
I'm a huge Big twelve fan. Of course, we live
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in Big ten country. Okay, I've lived in Pac ten,
Pac twelve country forever. This has nothing to do with
I don't get paid by any of these conferences. I'm
not trying to see the downfall of the league. I'm
just telling you the reality, especially now that I'm in
college basketball. You know why last night there was the
SEC ACC Challenge. Correct or it's part of two night deal.
There were ten games, how many of the ACC. The
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ACC is as vaunted a basketball league as there has
ever been. Think about this in the ACC. Duke and
Carolina they played the night, didn't play last night. In fairness,
Virginia they played tonight, they don't play. Did't play last night? Okay, Duke, Carolina,
Virginia all national champions in recent years. Okay, they have Louisville,
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they have Syracuse like in terms of name recognition, college
basketball programs that they're amazing. Last night or ten games
the SEC one night of them. The only loss. The
only loss was Kentucky, obviously the biggest name in the
SEC basketball. They lost on the road to Clemson. Where
road games that happens, especially when there's a disproportionate number
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of fouls. The point is that the SEC has and
uses more money on their players than any other conference.
It's absolutely inarguable you'll have a one off Ohio State football,
for example, most people believe their budgets around twenty million dollars,
which is tops in all of college football. Now, maybe
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not the top, it's one of the tops. And it
doesn't mean that Ohio State's a perfect team. Matter of fact,
in two of their biggest tests they failed. But the
point is that it creates a greater depth of talent
and a likelihood of success that you just don't have
when you're dealing with a million dollar, two million dollars,
five million dollar payroll. It's just the reality of it.
They have better players because they spend more money. Go figure,
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It's like buying a car. Is every one hundred thousand
dollars car better than every thirty thousand dollars car. No,
you can get a limit, but by and large, better materials,
better build quality, better likelihood of a better vehicle. That's
the reality to it. And I get that Miami is like,
hey we're Miami. First of all, you haven't been relevant
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in years, so let's not act like your name wreckon.
But also I would say that Miami gets the Miami
Pass because people want Miami to be relevant because Miami
was so good for so long. I mean, honestly, if
Jim Phillips is honest with himself, okay, is honest with himself.
SMU having only one loss is a bad look for
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the league. It shows how bad the league is. Historically.
Virginia Tech is awesome. Historically, Miami is awesome. Historically, Florida
State is awesome. Florida State won one game this year.
Virginia Tech. It's been a while since they've been a
off the mat and this is the best Miami has
been in a decade. And you lost to your last
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three games, two teams that aren't in the playoffs. And
you could say, well, they're good teams. Great, you didn't
beat them, And who did you beat? Great? You beat
a Florida team that's not in the discussion. It's not
one of the top seven or eight teams in the SEC.
And by the way, a Florida team that's that changed
quarterbacks since Miami smoked them to start to start the year.
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My thing is was and has always been I think
the SEC is the best league. I thinkf it's ever
if it's even close. I mean Old Miss has got
better players. Yeah, I think Alabama belongs in. And I'm
interested to see what happens if is Bois's staking really
gonna be a top four seed? Like what are we
actually doing? Is Indiana really going to be in the
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field when they have zero victories over anybody in the
field and all of their wins against the bottom of
the Big ten? So, byr, what do you think, Bud?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, I'll say I'll say this. I think that the
comments from Jim Phillips were expected. I thought that the
comments from Ward Manuel were pretty glaring when he said
that the teams that aren't playing this weekend have no
more data points for them to change their resume.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
That's actually not true, by the way, and I get
let me, let me help you up, and I don't
mean it up, but I'm gonna lose my train, I
thought if I do. Okay, So if South Carolina, who
I believe belongs in the field, If Clemson beats beats SMU,
and Clemson is the ACC champion and Clemson then goes
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to the College Football Playoff, that's absolutely a data point.
He's he's wrong, He's one hundred percent wrong. They just
beat Clemson at Clemson by three points.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I agree with you. I'm the one that's not in
power though, and neither are you.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
No I know, but again, like I was, I was
stunned that there wasn't a follow up question ward, respectfully,
what about Clemson? What about Clemson? If Clemson beats SMU,
doesn't that change the data points for South Carolina?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I thought? And the reason why that comment stood up
for a lot of reasons, and one that you plainly
laid out there, and yeah, he's exactly right. It would
enhance the resume of a team like South Carolina if
those Dominoes felt that way or felt that way, or
that domino fell that way. What I do find interesting
with this comment though, in looking at the bracket compared
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to what it was a week ago. All last week,
Doug was I complained about is the committee setting up
these rankings for rankings purposes or are they setting up
the rankings to have the correct bracket? And I felt
that they were just ranking teams for ranking teams. And
now when you look at the bracket that was released
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this week, what college football fan wouldn't want to see
those four games that they have in the first round
of the playoffs, and even their fallback would be like,
let's say Penn State beats Oregon in the Big Ten
championship game. Now you've got, you know, an Oregon possibly
against an Arizona State squad. Like these matchups are so
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salivating for the viewer that I feel that's where they
went as a committee that this meeting was like, all right,
we're going to fill out a bracket. It's no longer
about rankings. What's the best bracket that we could get.
And I feel that that's what they laid out. And
I think that's why he said what he said, because
he doesn't want to adjust Ohio State or Tennessee or
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Indiana or you know, like those schools because of the
place that they are, Notre Dame. Just that's where I
think he put those matchups, or this group put the matchups,
because this is how they wanted the bracket to look.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
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in a second. Okay, the midway for those of us
shoe fos. You are just joining us middle of the week,
middle of the show, middle of the day. But uh,
before we get to that. I did want to get
to just this little thing in regards to so there
is a report that UCF Central Florida has reached out
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to USC to inquire about Lincoln Riley's interest. And and
and we had our j Young on last hour and
he's like, well, there must be smoked, he must be fire,
which all our ja. He does a great job with
his number one podcast. He's just too close to the
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forest to see the trees, right, And that if you
mention anything Lincoln Riley, people who are owe you people
or ou fans lose their mind. I think there's a
lot of reasons he took the se job, and one
is what's happened in Oklahoma, since no matter how good
you are, it's not going to be good enough in
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that sec But I also think that's what Central Florida
is doing. It's a no lose situation there. And by
the way, this happens all the time, all the time.
When you are the athletic director, you have your potential
dream hires, you have your dream highers, and then maybe
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you have a list of five guys that maybe they're
unhappy elsewhere, or maybe they think they're a year away
from getting fired. So you call Lincoln Riley and you're like, hey,
you call Ryan Day again. Ryan Day's not getting fired.
Lincoln Riley's not getting fired. The buyouts are too big.
Mike Gundy, you know he's got a twenty five million
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dollar buyout. Would you like to come and restart your
life and take another shot at Central Florida. Look, the
reality is Gus malls On was the head coach at
Central Florida. And what he did by taking the offensive
coordinator job. Uh, where do you take the offense coordinator
job at at Auburn? Where do you go take the
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offense court in your job?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Why?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm blanking my mind. Gus malls On did what they're
wondering if Lincoln Riley would do, which is taking inferior
job LSU. By the way, he answered, taking inferior job
because you know the job you have is likely going
to come to an end in twelve months. That's why
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he did it. We you know, you know the sign
when you hit your top tap the top of your head.
You guys know what that means in basketball, top the
top of your head, and then you do the circle.
That's reset the shot clock of Sorry, Gus Malson took
the offensive cording position at Florida State instead of being
the head coach at Central Florida. Why because he knew
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he's gonna get fired. I mean, the same thing happened
at UCLA last year. Right then Chip Kelly went and
took the Ohio State offensive court in her job, he
went from making I think six million to two million,
but doesn't have the stress still making seven figures, you know,
and gets the coach football. Don't have to worry about this.
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I just want to coach and instead of getting fired,
you just move on. So Central Florida doing it is
a shot in the dark. And you should call all
of these coaches that have had success, that you respect,
that you think do a pretty good job. But for
whatever reason, maybe it's just been too You've been at
one place too long. Maybe you want to get out
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of the cold. Not for Lincoln Riley, right, But that's
I think what's at play. Lincoln Riley's not leaving USC
for Central Florida. It is disrespect towards Central Florida. It is.
But Lincoln Riley probably thinks to himself, even if I
get fired at USC in a couple of years, I
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can still get Central Florida if I want it. Let's
get to the midway. He's not getting the middle with you.
It's time for the midway already. Case du what did
we what do we do? What do we land on?
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Do we land on? Worst celebrations? Most offensive celebrations are
just Dan wanted to talk about awesome celebrations.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Thank you, Doug all take it from here. I want,
you know, coming off of yesterday's you and Dan and
Sam had a very colorful argument about the the you know,
sticking the flag in the middle of the field, right,
very polarizing topic this week. Sticking the flag in the
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middle of the field, How offensive that is? And I
thought to myself, and I think you said several times
everybody knows that line not to cross. Everybody knows that line.
And I was thinking to myself, what are some examples
in the past of people that have crossed that line?
That would be an interesting midway. So I threw that
out to the group this morning on the group text,
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and Dan was like, why don't we open it up
a little bit more and we could add our favorite
celebrations as well. I excu negative. I love negativity. I
like when people are uncomfortable. It amuses me. Dan is
a much more glass half full. He's a positive guy.
So you have a choice in this segment. Most favorite
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celebrations or those celebrations that went too far that pissed
people off, and all started off along those lines. Okay,
Randy Moss in two thousand and five played the Packers.
He scored a touchdown, he pretended to drop his trial,
drop his pants, and I want to say he rubbed
his butt on the goalpost. If everyone could in fact
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check me on this, he was a disgusting act by Mott,
and I think, yeah, Joe Buck's comment Terry on that
has has since been he has he is admitted to
regretting those comments. But I think that that was a
memorable celebration because in the moment, because it was in
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Green Bay and he was showing him his rear very offensive.
Randy Moss was a polarizing guy. Anyways, we were in
a different time, you know. He was kind of like
the AI of the NFL. He was the Allen Iverson
of the NFL, and I think he got a lot
maybe people overreacted to him his disrespect a little bit
more back in the day. So Randy Moss and the
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mooning celebration is my input, what do you guys think.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I think I loved I loved the topic. My thing
would be it was I didn't understand the level of
offense that Joe Buck took to it in any way.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
That's what he regrets.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, yeah, okay, buyer, you you have a great memory
for all of these things.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well yeah, and there's and I wanted to just I
wanted to skew positive because I felt that there were
some actually great celebrations that we have seen previously, and
none better than the Fun Bunch back in the day
when when Washington, yeah Washington then Redskins with their wide
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receiving core. Charlie Brown was a member of it, not
the cartoon actual player. I think our Monk was part
of the Fun Bunch as well. The uh, but they
would get in the middle of the end zone and
they would all do a high five together after a touchdown.
And I think it's it's my earliest recognition or memory
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of actual celebrations and team celebrations was that. So that's
why I wanted to open up in terms of the
fun celebrations, because I think that it could go a
lot of a lot of different ways. Maybe you weren't
a Washington fan, so you hated that, but it was.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You, you know, I like that. I was in college.
I don't why did they start the mile high salute?
Was anybody? Was there any sort of military tie to it?
Was Mike Anderson was the guys sayed Mike Anderson was running.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Back with he was a marine. But Trel Davis did
it before.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It was Trel Davis before him. Right again, that was
I was thinking the timeline. So does anyone know why
they started? For whatever reason? I liked the mile high salute?
I don't. And we did it when we were in college,
were playing because Adrian Peterson is our best player, uh,
not the football player, the basketball player from Little Rock, Arkansas,
and he loved the Broncos. A couple of guys liked
the broncos. Of course they were winning. Everybody like seems
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that are winning, and we did the mile high salute
for a little bit.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
There there's a if you just do the quick Google search,
artificial intelligence tells us that uh Davis is credited with
the tradition as he saluted the crowd after every touchdown.
Some say a military mindset and master P inspired the salute.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Master P because they were boudy, boudy, rowdy, rowdy, make
them say oh mecanim say no, no, no na. It
was a dark dark days for Ratney. Those of us
were raps dark.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Oh no, it sounded pretty cool what he just did.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Dark days, dark days. Yeah, yo, this is every college
party ever into. Our guys would take over the DJ
thing and next thing, you know, Mystical and master P were.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I'll tell you another one that may have been disrespectful
to the opponent, and I know the National Football League
didn't like it, but Joe Horn's cell phone celebration when
he hid the cell phone underneath to the goal post
padding creativity. Yes, that's there's that was great. It was
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I think it was a flip phone. Maybe Thomas do
that too?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Wait what am I thinking.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Of he could get to Joe Horn, George, Hey, who
was you would know it was it Webster Slaughter and
who is the other Browns wide receiver? They used to
jump up like they're gonna have high five, but it's
like a high chest pump for the Browns that this
is a buyer one.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I know you, Gosh are the Brown's receiver?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah? Who was the other Browns receiver?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Well, hit Ozzie knew some on those teams. I know
they had Frank Minefield in hand for Dixon with a Corners.
Oh gosh, I can't remember off the top of my head.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I keep thinking of Billy White Shoes Johnson, but totally
different era. But he'd also had a memorable celebration, right
he was the dancer, Yeah, white Shoes.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Ernest Gibbons did the electric slide for the order.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah. Well there was also I mean William refrigerator. Oh no,
hike shuffle, Yeah yeah, Ikey shuffle still relevant to this day. Well,
they brought it back for the TV commercial Super TV commercial. Right,
It's like in there he was doing like the frozen
food section or something.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I think a second place to that was the Dirty
Bird Jamal Anderson in the.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Fact like the dirty bird. I like the dirty bird
a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That was kind of whatever about it. Yeah, I really
wasn't bad about it. But but.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I think Eugene Robinson took that phrase literally a couple
of nights before the Super Bowl he wanted to be
a dirty bird.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well, listen, Jamal Anderson, he had his own.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Be There are a lot of there are a lot
of things out there. There are a lot of celebrations
in different different sports. I don't think he was. I
don't think was he.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I don't think he was the one off in the
bathroom honety.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
No, No, he was the one with the yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, no, no, Jamal Anderson, Oh, Jamal Anderson, Yeah, running
back Atlanta Falcons slightly later era than Eugene Robinson.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yes, okay, gotcha, he was. No, they played on the
same team because JA and played in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, okay, yeah. I think it was like a little
bit later on, like post career he had issue. Bathroom issue.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I will say this. In Major League Baseball and maybe
Sweater maybe Jason remembers this, but Princefielder once hit a
walk off home run against the San Francisco Giants and
as soon as he touched home plate because the team
was a round him walk off shot. All of the
Brewers fell down and it was just Print standing on
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home plate with his arms extended, and the Giants just
hated everything about that. But it was great showmanship at
that point, and it was something that nobody had ever
done before or had ever seen. And because you just
thought people would be jumping up and down like they
always do, and they all fell to the ground. Yes,
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that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
What do you guys to get you mentioned mile high salute?
Maybe most iconic celebrations like that would be that would
be up there and I'm looking at I'm watching the
Golf channel right now, and obviously Tiger Woods isn't isn't
playing now, But like I think of him, Yes, yes,
(27:57):
his fist bump is one of the the all timers.
It's tough, it's individual sport. It's also natural, it's not planned,
but that is one of the that's one of the
iconic ones.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Well.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Chichi Rodriguez also used to right, he take the grip
side of his and he do the little like swordsman thing,
and then he would put it in in his side
a little zorro so anigo montoyo. Only he knew something
that we did not know. You know what that is, Sam,
(28:35):
Princess Bride. Yes that he was not left handed.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Oh Sell, you're asking me about the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yes, Sam, Do you have any celebrations? Is there any
Iowa celebrations?
Speaker 5 (28:45):
I was sort of thinking in the in more along
the lines of like stuff that fans do or that
stuff that the team does as a whole. I will
share with you guys this one. This is the Iowa
Marching band. When they're at home and they get a victory,
they do the Iowa victory poke, and I'll sing along
for you guys.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
For your no, No, we're good. We're good.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
In heaven there is no beer. Come on, guys. That's
why we drink it here. And when we're gone from here,
our friends will be drinking all our beer all our
be here. I was off to you. I was a
little bit and you guys get it. And then they
go into the locker room and they do like a
sped up fight song where they kind of chant it,
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they don't really sing it as the team does that
behind closed doors. Back when Hayden Fry was a coach.
They used to do the hokey pokey. They always get
that on video. So there's a couple of fun ones
from from Iowa. I do love the uh. I'm not
sure it's like a positive thing, but I do love
the Paul Bunyan's ax chopping down the goalpost, which we
talked about yesterday. And then when PJ. Fleck in Minnesota
got the victory over Wisconsin this past weekend, you know,
(29:50):
he had a he had like an inflatable axe and
they had him on like he was crowdsurfing in the
locker room and he was just smashing that thing against
the ceiling and it was just the funniest, the funniest
visual you could imagine. So I did enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I have thought of working the sweater tie.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
I think I think it's a good look for him.
He's just sort of a Jim Trustle thing.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, you like it. You think that's his deal.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
The quarters and the tie that can work. He owns it.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I lost. I have a really cool we have white
quarter zips, black green. All these college basketball coaches wear
quarter zips. My white one I love and I lost it.
So and we're like out of them because everybody loves them,
so we just ordered some new quoter. We got some
black ones coming in that they are really nice, spicy.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
I have one more thing quickly. You know, I wasn't
a fan of this before, but I really come to like,
love and respect Freddy Freeman, and I did not like
his little like on bas Dance. I call it the
geometric parallel arms. I guess you could call it. But
now all the players do it because they love him,
and I think it's cool, it's fine. It's it's just like,
you know, they won the World Series and he was
the man, so you know what I'm talking about where
(30:53):
he goes like the little pit a little to the
second thing.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Don't they all do that?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
But he's didn't. He started though, right he was. He's
that baseball.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
There's there's lots of them when dudes are a cadillacing
around the around the base path.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
By the way, while we're on the quarter zips. If
you ordered a bunch of them, feel free to bring
three of them in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I've actually we've discussed this as a staff. I asked, uh, Caden,
the captain, who's our equipment guy? Like, hey, dude, I said, hey,
I need some quarter zips. I ordered you too. No, no,
I need like ten fifteen of them. It's like why,
It's like because my guys all want those, so I'll
have it when I get back on the on the
(31:39):
quarter zips, they're nice, they're company. There's like two levels
of the Adidas ones. There's like the basic ones, which
I'll give you, and then there's a really nice soft
ones which are supple weight.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
So we've had but Doug Department, remember hold on the
Department of Corrections. Mike Lingar just came in. He he
told me that the whole Freddie Freeman parallel gm arms
started when Freddy was at a party and a viral
video started where he did that as a dance move,
and then his teammates started clowning him and I didn't
know this, and uh and then it's become just a thing,
a h A S team thing. So thank you, thank you,
(32:12):
Mike Lingard.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I liked to listen in chadow Chasinko. He didn't need
to do the golf or the football one. Did a
bowling one as well. Yeah, he did some ones.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Rememory wore like they made a Hall of Fame jacket
for him on the sidelines, but they had to make
it so big, so a door around his shoulder pads.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yes, what's funny is that's the closest he'll ever get
to wearing a Hall of Fame jacket, right.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Oh yeah, that's the.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Ultimate irony in it is like, yeah, that's did he
make the Hall of Fame? Like well, sort of in
his own mind?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Uh tea.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I mean, listen, I was never a big T O
guy because he was all about himself. But the too
celebration with the T and the O was kind of cool.
It was definitely his own thing. Well, Barry Sanders just
flipped the ball.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
The referee went on on what was it the Dallas
Star as a member of the.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Eagles, Yes, I thought Niners. I think it is when
he was on the Niners Star.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And then he became according to the Dallas cabin, did.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
The sharpie against the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah. I mean NFL football has kind of been our
soccer in terms of celebrations, so you know, obviously, I mean, like, look,
I've never liked the Night Night deal with Steph Curry,
but when he hit those four threes the Olympics, and
the last one was ridiculous, and then he hit him
with the Night Night like, I don't know if there's
a I can't think of a better and any championship
(33:39):
sporting event than what he did there. And then that
celebration fitted it was pretty cool, pretty good. All right,
We're good. That is the Midway. The Midway.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
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Speaker 1 (34:01):
Stuck Gottlib show Fox Sports Radio coming to you from
the tyrack dot com studios. Man there said, bunch of
things I want to get to today. Hey, Dan, are
you okay with doing buyer's remorse a little bit later today?
We didn't get to yesterday. I'm sure everybody has a
lot of things that they're remorse for over. But Dan
actually gets the voices on radio and they're all sports related.
(34:24):
That'll be next hour.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
R J.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Young's going to join us up coming in about five minutes.
He's Fox Sports college football analyst, host of the Number
one Show podcast on Fox Sports. But let's let's talk
about the Cowboys. Why, well, they're the Cowboys. Let's talk
about the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Why, well, because they're the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Cowboys all right, we do have some new sound for you,
some Cowboys South. This comes from Dak Prescott. Of course,
Mike McCarthy is in a lame duck year. To this point,
Jerry Jones, to this point, Jerry Jones has really offered
nothing in terms of the idea that Mike McCarthy wouldn't
be back. Here's Dak Prescott on his coaches contract status.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
I believe in him wholeheartedly. I think he definitely deserves
a chance another another contract. And I had a chance
to coach this team amongst and and kind of I
guess you can say more influence on his terms. Uh
maybe be a maybe be a good way to say it.
But but I wholeheartedly believe in him. The guys won
(35:33):
a Super Bowl. I know Jerry's attested to that. There's
not many guys or coaches who have done that, and
to have one that can do it from experience, and
I know how valuable he's been for me.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Okay, So that's Dak doing what so many athletes won't do, Okay,
which is this is my guy. I want to play
for him. He didn't do the Jimmy Chitwood when we
are in Indiana. Okay, he has a familiar with Jimmy Chitwood.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Jake calling Dan Byer.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Of course Dan Byer knows it. Jase Stu, are you
familiar with the Jimmy Chitwood?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
No, O, Sam, you're familar with Jimmy Chitwood, are you not?
Speaker 5 (36:15):
He was coached by Gene Hackman.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I understand. But the Jimmy Chipwood the scene I'm talking
about in the Fame movie Hoosiers.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
I missed you on that one, I guess.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Okay, so here's the scene and buyer. If I miss anything,
you helped me out. Okay. Jimmy Chitwood is the basketball
star at Hickory, but he's not. He didn't play the
first couple of games. He didn't come to practice. He
just shoot out in his hoop, out in his farm
hey with a dirt floor and wooden backboard to hoop
(36:47):
and never missed. But he wasn't playing. The season got
off to a more than rocky start, where the coach,
played by Gene Hackman, actually finished one of the games
with only four players on the floor, despite the fact
that he had one that was eligible to play. After
(37:09):
one of his players filed out another woman was hurt.
He said, my team is on the floor. He wanted
his team to play his way and he didn't care
if they won or lost. Because of it, the town
called a meeting to take a vote whether or not
they wanted to continue with the coach or fire the coach.
They took that vote, but before they read the tally
(37:29):
of the vote, Jimmy Chipwood came in from outside and said,
I think it's time for me to start playing ball.
The crowd erupted. The crowd erupted, and that was when
they read the tally that the coach was out, was
no longer going to be the coach. But Jimmy chit
Wood said, hey, there's one more thing. Coach stays, I play,
(37:53):
coach goes, I go. That's the Jimmy chip Wood. Sammy,
are you familiar?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Student, aw, you're familiar. Okay, So so he didn't he
didn't do the Jimmy Chitwood, but he said, this is
my guy and he's won a Super Bowl. He went
through all the things. Let me read between the lines
of what Dak Prescott said. Okay. In reading between the lines,
(38:22):
Mike McCarthy didn't get to pick Mike Zimmers' defensive coordinator,
probably some other staff members he didn't get to pick,
and the defense has been an abject disaster more than anything.
They likely don't fit, don't get along. And so what
Dak said without saying it is, hey, give a new
contract and then let him pick his own staff, and
(38:44):
if it still doesn't work, you can get rid of
all of us. That was what I heard, Dan. Do
you hear anything different.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I think it's pretty strong. I just think that Dak's
playing the right cards. But yeah, you're more You're more
bester than me.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Okay, okay, one of the worst defense in the country.
I'm sure there's anything else you can do.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
R J.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Young joined just of course, he got the number one
show on Fox Sports that covers college football. Ur Ja,
let me let me start with the news of the
day before we get to the college football playoff. Any
chance Lincoln Riley leaves sc for Central Florida.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Well, I don't think they're sniffing, just, you know, out
of something that they don't know. If they sense that
you would like to leave that place, perhaps they're trying
to initiate such a thing. And I don't know Doug
three years ago. This man is the head coach at
in Oklahoma that is going to the college football Playoffs,
a few pieces away from playing for national championships. So
(39:42):
it is quite unimaginable for me to think of you
leaving Oklahoma only to end up in Central Florida in
three years time. So I don't know that he's going
to go, but that there's interest in that. The ninety
million dollar buyout is not really that big a deal
says a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, I don't think there's any interest. I don't think
they're sniffing for anything. I think they want attention, and
they're doing what good athletic directors should do, which is like, hey,
let's find somebody's really good that that might be a
year or two away from getting fired, and see if
they want to restart to shar clock, I will point
out r J. I would. I'd like a little credit here.
People said, hey, he's leaving because he's scared of the
(40:22):
SEC's like, no, he knows it's almost impossible for you
to win at Oklahoma to level they want you to
win at in the SEC. Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
No, No, it's not. It's not even a little bit fare.
You know better than most people. It's Oklahoma duns, seven
national championships, seven Hiding Trophy winners, We rented a room
at the College Football Playoff. Oldness doesn't do that, Albert,
you won a national championship in the twenty first century.
They don't do that, all right, No, it is not
out of the question in Oklahoma having a sixty six
(40:53):
year still beats an Alabama team that looks destined to
make the College Football Playoff. So that's two years in
a row that Oklahoma would have a win against teams
that are playing in the College Football Playoff. That it's
fourteen or twelve teams, make no different to me. Oklahoma's
right where they want to be. And I think that
you know, Lincoln could have had that spot too. Now
it's for invitable too.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
They're where they want to be.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, they're in the SEC, that's what. No.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
But but are they as a football program? They're a
non player, they have no the residents. All that stuff
has changed, r J. I mean, honestly, the reason that
it's it's not anything about Oklahoma, it's just they're in
a deeper pool of teams that haven't spend more money
than they do. That's the reality of it.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
These are I don't see it that way. And the
reason that I don't see it that way is Oklahoma
went six and seven twenty twenty two, one ten games
next year, it's been evan more than it's been flowing
here of late. But when Indiana can win eleven games,
when S and U can make.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
That's in the Big Ten, that's in the ACC. It's
it's not again Like listen.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
When when Texas can make it an EC championship.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
They have twice the money of Oklahoma twice and.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
They've only had twice the money of Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
And right now you can spend it on players. Now
you can go and actually buy the players legally, buy
them legally, I argue, look at I love your passion,
I love your knowledge of Oklahoma. I'm going to tell
you that everybody in.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
The sport you think, you think I'm an idiot about this. No, no,
I just I just no.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
I just think in this like, look, my argument for
why the SEC should get five, hell even six teams
in is the same reason I think it's going to
be really really hard for Oklahoma to compete is those
other schools. Oklahoma's all in on football, but the all
in is totally different. The advantage they had in the
Big Twelve was they were historically dominant in that league. Okay,
(42:53):
and every year they were in the Big Twelve Championship,
and they could go to all the kids in Texas
and be like, look all those other schools even though
even on A and M and ithurt them a little
bit when A and M got into the SEC, But
all those other schools that are in the SEC, they're
fighting cratch and gone. We're in the Big Tell champion
to every single year every year, and we play close
to home. Now all those schools in Texas play close
(43:14):
to home and are in the SEC. They can pay
more money at A and M and at all those
other schools, and you no longer have the historic dominance,
nor do you have the spending dominans. You're not playing
you're not competing against Kansas and Iowa State and Oklahoma State.
They're inferior programs based upon history and spending. That doesn't
matter any The history doesn't matter anymore. All that matters
(43:36):
is the amount of money that you have. That's that's
what really matters, and that's why the SEC is so dominant.
They have better players than everybody else. And this Oklahoma squad,
I think, probably wins the Big Twelve, and they're not
really competitive in the SEC.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
You've got an Oklahoma State from mine right now.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
No, no, no, why I had nothing to do with Oklahoma State.
This is the reality.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Allow me, allow me, allow them, allow me. You stay
in the Oklahoma is competing with Kansas State, Texas, Texas,
these teams for no.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
No, no, no, that's not what I said. That's not
what I said previously, RJ RJ RJ. Previously they were
playing against inferior posts. They were the Yankees playing against
the Rays, playing against the Indians, or sorry, the Guardians
(44:23):
playing against the Royals. Now they're the Red Sox against
the Yankees. The Dodgers, like all those teams have more
money and spend more money than they do. They're not
even the Red Sox. They just do. Look at their budgets.
You're now, you're at the low end. When they were
number two in budget and number one in history in
the Big Twelve and Big Eight.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I'm from a state that was created at than air
in the twentieth century. I'm from a place that has
tornadoes and dust Bowls. I'm from a place that doesn't
really always have the advantages that you're talking about, and
yet and still managed to show up and beat people.
One it's time to beat people. This too will pass.
It's gonna be okay. Oklahoma's in the SEC. It's a
bad year by Oklahoma standards. They're still going bowling the
(45:09):
only team in the state that is. I think that
they're gonna be just fine. Now, I think you're also
onto something when you're talking about where you're putting the money.
But when Ohio State can spend twenty million dollars to
not beat Michigan, there's only so much of the money
gonna do at one point or another. You got to
get the coaching right. And that's one of the things
that Oklahoma's been able to do historically. But also this
is a bigger point, right and I think you and
(45:30):
I could swarm up on Bolton on this. The injuries
that happen Oklahoma this year should never happen. You've got
injuries all up and down that roster. I think that's
Jerry Schmidt that you've got to call cast. Why don't
we have our best players on the football field for
most of the year, And why is it that we
can go and beat Alabama with second and third stringers
when we can't even get it up to be the
Tennessee team that we should probably be. So forth so on.
(45:50):
I think it's just a series of bad events that
have happened for Oklahoma. But I don't think this is
Oklahoma's being normal.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Okay, let's get to the college football playoff rankings. Okay,
help me make sense of it. Here's the first one.
We talked about this a little bit earlier in the show.
Wart Manuel said, there's no new data points for teams
that aren't playing this weekend. I'm looking at South Carolina
that just beat Clemson at Clemson, Clemson plays SMU. If
(46:18):
Clemson beats SMU did the ACC champion, that's a new
data point for South Carolina. Why will the committee not
look at South Carolina through a different lens if Clemson
wins this weekend?
Speaker 3 (46:32):
I thought the SIST committee is off as rocker from
the jump. That's one right, Boise State being one of
your top four. I had frank Conference champions give me
a break man. So that on its face, but if
South Carolina things Oklahoma, they'd be in the College football playoffs,
and it's suck to say it that way, But who
looks at their resume. They got six wins to get
stop twenty five programs. Their only losses are get stop
(46:52):
twenty five programs. They played a tough schedule and they
won nine frigging games. You know, maybe the Tennessee team
that should be a seman Tennessee team, they beat a
county team that should be in the college football playoffs
any other year still could get there. I'm with you.
I think that there are still data points to be
That's why we're playing conference championships because there's new data points.
I also think that this committee doesn't know if it's
(47:13):
coming or going, you know, because on the one hand,
they tell me they value wins. On the other hand,
anybody wants that looks at SMU's resume will tell you
they got two wins against teams that are above five hundred.
It's not a great schedule. The loss to YU doesn't
look so good now the YU is not playing in
the Big twelve championship. I think that Warden Manual is
in the spot that every chair has been in since
(47:33):
we've created this thing, which is you're willing the bullet
proofs best for a bunch of suits that I don't
think watch football the way that I watch football, the
way that you watch football. We're better at this than
they are, but we still have to live with their results.
And let me add this part to it. You know
that this committee can and probably will choose violence because
there's nothing any here to say that They've got to
(47:53):
pick our highest rank conference champion. They don't have to
pick conference champions. They got to pick the twelve best teams.
And if they thought that can't state with one of
them and none of the others are our conference champions,
they could do that. We don't trust this group, and
we don't trust this institution as they put it together.
Somebody is going to have to take back controls or
put some more governance on this committee because I'm telling
(48:14):
you this will be the first and the last time
that a G five program gets one of those highest
power for spots that we thought we're going to go
to Power four schools. Now we're looking around going, really,
we're going to give this the boys think national japus
so they can go get their bust kick by Ohio State.
Really nobody wants that. I think I think you're right.
I think there's a new data point. I think at
SMU can get to win, everybody looks fine. But if
(48:36):
Clinton gets to win, then all hell breaks loose.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, the Boise you state thing, it's like it's one
of those we've gone and the pendulum swings right, We've
gone from the Hey, we got to make sure these
guys are part of this thing, right because the reality
of how the financial aspect of the sports. You have
to have the non Power four conferences involved. You have
(49:03):
to have them part of it because those guarantee games
make a lot of money for a lot of people.
They just do. You need them to be You need
everybody to feel like they're part of it. So you
got to give them a spot. But one of the
top four seeds, what are we doing, SMU, one of
the top four seeds, what are we doing? Right? And
(49:23):
even Indiana, it's like we're falling for the old banana
and the tailpipe. You beat the ACC, but you beat
the bottom of the ACC. Indiana, all the teams they beat,
we're at the bottom of the big ten. Literally, look
at their wins. They're all over the bottom of the
Big ten. Even the Michigan win, which looks better now
they beat Ohio State. Like Michigan was like seventh place
(49:45):
in the Big Ten. The only Big Ten team that
they've beaten that has an above five hundred record was
Michigan and they played Ohio State. Granted, it's a hard game,
it's on the road. Hey, they couldn't complete a forward pass.
We're putting them is one of the twelve best teams
in the country. It makes zero sense to me, zero
(50:05):
sense to me.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
So I think I'm loud. I think we're gonna have
to start talking about the quet part out loud, you know,
which is that we're gonna want to put teams in
these spots that rate, teams that have large following teams
that don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
I don't think. I don't think it has anything to
do with ratings. I honestly think it has to do
with the legitimacy, like college football has changed. People that
spend the money. It doesn't mean it's the magic elixure
to every problem, okay, but teams that spend the money
have better players, have better coaches, and are better and
they played against harder schedules against better teams like that's
(50:42):
the reality of it, you know, just the reality of it.
So I you know, I don't, and I think everyone
who's real, all the coaches in the sport, off air,
off Mike will tell you that, oh the SEC is
the best. It's a different sport. And then when they
have to come to talk about their conference, are like, look,
any get in Penn State Ohio State, Like, what are
(51:02):
we doing? I mean even Penn State's resume is very,
very very slim, very slim. I guess not a lot too.
There's not a lot of meat on that bone. But
they're Penn State and they kind of looked the part.
They spend a lot of money, like I I a
lot of men. But man, the Indiana thing, the Boise
Boise thing, the SMU thing makes zero sense to me.
(51:26):
Last thing, RJ. If you had to guess, it's not
an easy guests who wins this thing? Who is it?
Speaker 3 (51:33):
I mean, nobody's beating Oregon yet, man, Like, that's that's
just it. Nobody's beating that team. And Dan Lanny has
one of the more complete teams in the sport. Because
that's what it's become for me. It's who plays great defense,
who plays great offense. Having a better defense than a
better offense is going to probably give you a better
shot to win a championship like Texas. Right, Texas reminds
me of twenty twenty one Georgia. They're good enough offensively
(51:55):
to go get you forty if they need to, but
that defense has been playing lights out. They get a
chance to show that in the SEC champ Ship Game
this weekend. I think that Dan Lanning also gives you
coaches making a play, which is something I've been huge
on this year. Did the coach make a great timeout,
Did we call a great trick play? Did we call
the right fake hunt at the right time. Dan Lenny
(52:15):
has that stuff in his back pocket, and he wants
this more than I think any other coach in the
country wants this, and that matters. So right now, it
feels like the only team left in the entire sport
that is undefeated is going to run the table and
win the twelve team college football playoffs for the first time,
get Oregon their first national championship.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
That's our Jay Young Okay check out his show, okay
can download it. He's the host of the Number one
show podcast on Fox Sports r J. Great Stuff we'll
talk soon.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Okay, Love you, Doug. Thanks for having me on
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