March 26, 2025 • 50 mins
On a Wednesday version of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug weighs in on the signing of Russell Wilson by the New York Giants and talks about what they means for draft prospect Shedeur Sanders.
NFL Network draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah joins the show to talk about Shedeur Sanders, Cam Ward and all of the other NFL headlines this week.
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of a slow time of the year has not been
slow because we had an NFL story we will start with,
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but we also have we also have other stories, including
including Lebron James, James going on with Pat McAfee and
what's the deal with Lebron James going on to Pat McAfee.
We'll play for you some of that sound and we'll
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try and get to the bottom of like, huh, it
kind of feels like potcorn ket a little bit. But
before we get to that, let's get to this. Some
of the news that I woke up to was that
Russell Wilson has signed with the Giants. Right signed with
the Giants. And it's interesting because I think there's a
(01:33):
world there where you have a head coach w you's
seen as a quarterback whisper, a definite need for energy
and change. And they had signed Jamis Winston, who's like
the everyone's favorite backup quarterback. That felt and looked like
the Giants are going to draft Shadoor Sanders. I think
it's a reasonable assumption to make, like, ooh, Giants need
(01:57):
a quarterback. Giants have quarterback. Shador Sanders would love to
be in a big city and working with a you know,
working with a quarterback guru as a head coach. That
one just makes sense. And then what did the Giants do?
(02:18):
They they signed Russell Wilson. You did what? They signed
Russell Wilson. And this is not a me. I told
you guys at the time all season long that the
Pittsburgh Steelers did not have next year's quarterback on the roster. Sam,
(02:39):
you keep track of all the sound on the show.
Did I actually say that, yes, you said that. There
you go, Thanks Sam, I appreciate that. So we told
you that the Pittsburgh Steelers were the If you have
two quarterbacks, you don't have any right. Which is what
which is true? And it's a really odd move if
(03:00):
you want to think about it, because, yeah, Russell Wilson's
achieved a lot during his NFL career, but this is
the how many straight years have we had where Russell
has been with a different team that has been like, yeah,
we're good here. He wanted to go back to Pittsburgh,
(03:21):
they didn't want him back. He was in Denver and
first year his coach gets fired. Second year, his coach says,
we don't want you back. And he wouldn't have gotten
to Denver if Seattle wanted to have him back. So
in reality, it's his fourth straight team that didn't win
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and didn't want him back, and the Giants are like, yeah,
we'll take you, we'll sign you, and I guess he's
the starter. Although there's a world there where he competes
with Jamis Winston, who's you know, he's had. He hasn't
had the success of Russell Wilson, but he may have
more left in the tank. Most important, most importantly, what
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does it mean for this roster? Right? What does it
mean for the roster of the teams that are in
front in front of the New York Giants in terms
of the upcoming NFL Draft, It has to mean to
me that the Raiders would be the team that are
going to sign him. The only problem is the Raiders
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trader for Gino Smith. The Browns are the team that
he supposedly wants to avoid. But what are the actual options?
And then you look at these mock drafts, She's like,
wait a second, way, So what's what's Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft?
How does it happen now? And yeah, that means do
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the do the Browns? Are the Browns kind of forced
to take sdor Sanders or is he forced to go
there because the Giants are at three? And yeah, they
could trade out of that third spot, or they go
get Travis Hunter. Cam Ward appears destined to go number one.
And then after that you got New England they think
they have their quarterback. You got Jacksonville they think they
(05:08):
have their quarterback. And then you have the Raiders who
just traded for a quarterback. You got the Jets where maybe,
but they just gave a bunch of money to a
former top pick to be their starter Carolina number one
overall pick is Shadre Better New Orleans at nine. I
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don't know. I just think the whole thing is fascinating
now and it may it may end up being the
Cleveland Browns are kind of forced to take shad Door Sanders. Dan,
what do you think in terms of this move? Do
the Giants know that the Browns are gonna draft shad
Door Sanders or do you think they're just turned off
by Shador Sanders and they're gonna go with a veteran
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in place and then go out and draft somebody next
to year or maybe draft a guy late, you know,
in late rounds and development.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I tried to on the surface at it feels that
the Giants have moved away because of the signings that
you mentioned of Winston and Wilson. I tried to take
a look deeper and not as much on the Brown side,
but more on the Giants side of things. And I
know that Joe Shane didn't draft Daniel Jones, but I
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do feel that in a sense, if you're John Merraw,
the Giants owner who I think will have a lot,
maybe more of a say, considering how the Saquon Barkley thing,
you know turned out that we all saw last year,
a say, and who they're going to draft at this point,
and I don't know if reaching for a quarterback and
I do think that taking Shador Sanders at three is
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an overall reach for the position. I don't know if
they're going to do that, And so that's why I
think that they're moving away just from the simple fact
of Remember they took Daniel Jones sixth overall when they
drafted him, and at that point we were like, whoa,
you know, Daniel Jones goes sixth overall and John Merrow
is still co owner and he's, you know, co owner.
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Now that's kind of my thinking of it, that they're
gonna stick with the veteran routes, not because of what
the Browns may do, but because I don't think they
want to settle for just I don't want to say,
mediocre players, but maybe because should Sanders.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They don't want to reach for a need.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yes, exactly, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I mean. And now it becomes really interesting, right, do
the brown are the Browns really gonna take him or
the Browns pass, you know, and then you get the
drama of how far is shud Or Sander's fallen when
we don't actually think he's fallen. It's just I don't know.
He thought it was the number two right quarterback in
the draft, and quarterbacks seems to be a valuable guy.
Why hasn't he been taken yet? It's very interesting, very interesting,
(07:50):
Jay stew you search for the opposite of BS. That's
one of the things you want to hear of your
on your tombstone. Right. Helped me cut through what is
the opposite of BS in in what happened with the
Giants signing Russell Wilson, who four straight teams and I
know that it's two years of Denver, but the reality is,
(08:10):
you change coach Stafford, coach gets fired. You know, nobody
wanted him back. Four straight teams essentially told him no thanks,
They signed Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, that hasn't that proved that Sean Payton was right.
I thought that Sean Payton at the time was a
little hard on Russell Wilson. I thought that he in
his mind had moved beyond the guy and wanted to
bring in his own guy, and he was unfair to
him a little bit, but I think he was just
right about him.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
He's just not a very uh, he's not a great
NFL quarterback. And I think that there is something maybe
what what Dan was referring to is that I just
think that the Giants know something about what the Browns
are going to do, and they're, uh, they're just doing
this for a one one year gap and uh and
and but they're going to draft Travis Hunter. I guess
(09:00):
sounds like a do some plant.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, like a gap year, a gap year, and then
next year they go and draft a quarterback or do
they draft one. I think that what most of these
guys want to do is they want to draft somebody
in the later rounds and develop him and then year two,
you know, somehow they work him in there and you know,
it's like a red shirt year for a guy that
(09:22):
would be by guess because if you look at what
so many of these and part of it is the
rehabbed quarterback, the Sam Darnold of the world, Baker Mayfield
obviously previous to that, Gino Smith previous to that. That's
kind of become the thing in the NFL like, if
you have a dude, get that dude, sign that dude,
figure it out. If you don't have a dude, maybe
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you go this route. And then once you go that route,
you develop somebody young. And if you get somebody young
and cheap like what the Niners had, well, by all means,
then you fill out your roster. We've talked about this
with all of our draft analysts over the last couple
of months, and they've agreed this is a trend. The
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only question is with the Giants having two veteran former
starting quarterbacks and you know, like I said, Russell Wilson,
it also signifies that obviously Aaron Rodgers not going to
the Giants anyway, that for Aaron Rodgers it's it's Steelers
or sit and wait. One would think with all of
that happening, this is I don't even know if there's
(10:31):
room for a younger quarterback much the way there will
be room in Las Vegas in Seattle with some of
these other teams.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yes, d yeah, I was just gonna say, just you know,
in the way that I look at it, and the
way to look at quarterbacks is well, if Daniel Jeremiah
coming up next hours I don't think that you can
look at the guys just in this class only I
think the Titans are and maybe the Titans feel desperate,
maybe they need to do that, but I just don't
think that's the way you do it, especially when we
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are moving off of quarterbacks so quickly. Maybe that's an
excuse to draft the guy in that point, but I
just don't. I don't feel that that's the case. And
if you're taking this this class in last year's class
and combining them and cam Ward and Shadoor Sanders are
seven and eight or six seven in that eight quarterback ranking,
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I just don't know how you're necessarily ahead at that point.
And I'm the guy Doug that I always felt like, well,
if you're in the top five, you gotta how often
are you going to be picking in the top five?
Maybe take your quarterback at that point? And it's just
to me, it's just changed a little bit. Is I
just I wouldn't want to overdraft the guys fair enough?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, because then you're then you're kind of stuck. Right
once you got a guy in that first round, you're stuck.
And if you're Joel Shane, you're like, well, if I
didn't get fired for the sake of on Barkley thing.
I could definitely get fired if I draft the wrong
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on the top of your screen. So the news of
the day in the NFL, if you woke up to
it was Russell Wilson signs, and I thought there was
a chance Russell Wilson's NFL career was over. Not because
he couldn't be a backup, but Russell Wilson doesn't seem
like a guy who fits being a backup, right, So
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he signs with the New York Giants, And you're like, oh, okay, Well,
obviously the Giants are out on the air Rogers and
they have Jameis Winston, so he got two quarterbacks, so
that means they're out in Shador Sanders. But we know
Shandor Sanders or we think doesn't want to go to
the Browns, right, and the Tennessee Titans looked like they're
gonna draft cam Ward, So what does that mean for Sture?
(13:40):
Let's welcome in Daniel Jeremiah DJ, of course is when
you watch the NFL Network on April twenty fourth, lave
in Green Bay, you'll see Daniel Jeremiah. He's the lead
NFL Draft analyst on the NFL Network and he joins
us now on Fox Sports Radio. What does Russell Wilson
(14:00):
in signing with the Giants need for Shudor Sanders.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Great hear from me, Doug. You know, I don't think
there's concrete information you can take out of that. The
reason I say that is I think if they were,
you know, if they still had big grades, if they
loved shud Or Sanders, I would think they could still
take him. There is a little bit of precedent with this,
you know, when the the Jets had signed McCown and
signed Geno Smith and they drafted Sam and then they
(14:26):
traded Geno, so we have seen I wouldn't totally rule
that out. But to me, I always look at these things,
and I look at windows and timelines and urgency levels,
and this is a Giants team that needs to win
games next year, So you go out and get two
veteran quarterbacks. It feels to me more like that would
be kind of the way they would go their first
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pick would then be someone who can help them win
games next year. You know, whether that's you know, Abdul Carter,
Travis Hunter, whichever one of them you know, could potentially
be there. Maybe they're both there and they have their choice.
But that's where I would be leaning at looking at it.
But that's not you know, that's not concrete, and uh,
you know, I still wouldn't be surprised if if they
(15:08):
did do that, if they were in the market for
that next tier of quarterbacks, just kind of roll the
dice on one of the you know, the the second tier
guys in the next round.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, second day as I think a lot of a
lot of guys are going to be on those second
day quarterbacks. Okay, so let's go back to Shador. What
are the options now? Like New Orleans is an option.
I guess Cleveland is an option, but there doesn't seem
to be a crazy number of options.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, I think Shador is going to go two or
three or fall like that's the that's the options. Like
he's going to be, you know, a Brown, He's going
to be a giant. And if those two, if he
gets past that third pick, then I think you could
go on a little bit of a tumble and then
you start seeing, you know, other teams become in the mix,
(15:56):
Like is the Rams, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Do they like him?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Would they be interested in maybe moving up a little
bit or are they comfortable sitting and seeing if he's there?
The Steelers at twenty one, even if they signed Rogers, Like,
is that potentially in option Miami? You know, is kind
of a sneaky one just because Tua you know, hasn't
been healthy and I think based off of his contract,
there's a way they can kind of free themselves a
little bit after this year. So maybe that's maybe that's
(16:22):
one we're not thinking of. But to answer your question, Doug,
I don't see a spot for him in the top
ten if he doesn't go two or three. I just
I don't think the Raiders are going to do it.
I feel like they've got an older coach. They went
out and got Geno. This feels like they're wanting to
win right now with Gino and then the Jets with
Fields and his age, and at least you can still
(16:44):
sell yourself on his upside that they would try and
at least roll the dice with him for a little
bit and not go right back to the quarterback mark
before they saw him play a game, and then the
last one would be the Saints. And I just don't know.
I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot just in
terms of, uh, you know, with with with Dion and
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with Shador and you're Kellen Moore first year head coach, like,
I don't know, that seems like that could be. You know,
Dion's going to say he's going to refute that and
say there's nothing, there's nothing to it, But it is.
There's it's it's it's not just a normal first round
quarterback pick.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, I would. I don't have any inside information into
the new Raiders regime, but it does stand to reason
that if Pete Carroll was most successful in the NFL
by drafting a quarterback in the third round and developed
and developing him slowly over time, and he has you know,
Smith who can be a nice placeholder, and the value
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of the quarterbacks in this draft are outside of the
first day. Of course, that seems like it, Saiy're planning.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Correct, Yeah, I think so. And I think with the
Raiders specifically, I mean, your offensive coordinator has just come
off of a National Championship with Will Howard. So you
could say, Okay, you want to get another quarterback in there,
then maybe that's Will Howard. And you know where can
you get him? Is that the third round? You know,
what does that look like? With his value? I would
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think they would be, you know, elated to make that
call with their I think they picked sixty eight in
the third round. I don't know if they would take
him at thirty seven, but that gives him a young
quarterback and he gets to come sit behind Geno and
then they have the sixth and thirty seventh pick to
come in and help him right away.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports for You. That's
the voice of Daniel Jeremih's the lead NFL Draft analyst
for the NFL Network. He also has moved The Sticks
as a podcast. Still no word on Aaron Rodgers, although
they're circling and there is there's at least and again
this is like social media, but apparently McAfee is having
(18:50):
some big show on the seventh of April, and there's
some discussion that he could announce. Then what do you
think the likeli it of him going to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Goes, well, it's Pittsburgh retirement, and you know, I would
think this gets done with Pittsburgh. I don't think he's
you know, he's gonna retire at this point in time.
So yeah, I think it's inevitable. It's just a matter
of how long it's going to drag out. It's it's
it's entering into the annoying territory. I would say, just
(19:20):
of like, let's just let's just be able to plan
around it and get done. But who knows, maybe there's
been some private assurances made there to the Steelers. You know,
I don't know it is. I just it seems so
unnecessary to me, like just make a decision like this,
yes or no, you don't want to play for the Steelers,
you want to retire, like, let's let's go.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah. I don't. I don't get it either, but but
it does track. It's completely unbranded, is it not that
that of all the guys to make everybody wait, Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Is don't don't you think this is different? Doug? Like
for like in the past, it's been man every day
like you check in like I don't know about you,
but like I don't I'm not clicking refresh on my
computer to see if he's coming back or not. It's
just kind of like, well, they're gonna pay with Aaron
Rodgers or I guess they go you know, they've got
Mason Rudolph, they go out and sign Joe Flacco. You know,
I don't know, but it's not it's not front of
(20:08):
mine like it was previously with him. I think if
you thought this was going to bring you attention, I
don't know that it is.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Okay, let's circle back to the other part. Why the
Giants think that Russell Wilson can be the answer? When
the Steelers the Broncos times two and the Seahawks clear
they do.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Not well, they must feel like they've got the system
and the pieces in place to help him. I guess
to get a better performance. I don't know that it's
a massive upgrade there, you know, over what you had
in Daniel Jones. I know you can a lot of
fans like to do on social media just post out
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the touchdowns to interception ratio as the be all end all.
But if you watch those games down the stretch for Pittsburgh,
that was tough. That was tough to watch. So yeah,
I don't know. I know, you've got a lot of
experience there. He's a veteran. He can get you in
and out of the right plays and and learn the
system and all that stuff. But you tell me, Doug,
(21:07):
when you look around that division, how do you I mean,
they're a distant force with him or jamis starting in
terms of the quarterback position, They're uh, they're fighting uphill.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
They are fighting up hill. It's the Doug Gotlib Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah is is our guest. Okay,
So what we did kind of sort of bury the lead,
if you will, and that lead would be that we
were interested. If you know, the Titans early on put
out some sort of chum in the water that they
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weren't going to draft cam Ward. Now they are. What
are your expectations for cam Ward with the Titans.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's what they do, and
I uh, you know, the upside is very high. He's
got a ton of talent. He's got he's got a
big time arm. I like the fact that he's strong
and sturdy in there. He's not a huge guy, but
he's thick and so you've got quick hands, RPO stuff,
should be good. I think they've built their team, Doug.
(22:08):
A lot of people focused on the moves they made
on the offensive line and said, oh, they've built their
team to be able to protect, to better protect a
young quarterback. And I look at the guys they brought in.
They brought in guys that can run, block like they
are going to try and run the football.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
And protect your young quarterback. That way protect you a.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Different way of doing it. It's a different way of
doing it, but that's that's the type of team I
think they're going to be. So yeah, I'm totally good
with it. I don't you know, I can make a
case with with Abdil Carter is the best player in
the draft. For me, he is. Travis Hunter would be
behind him there. But you know, when you don't have
a quarterback and you've got one who has the upside
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you can dream on. I am very much against the
first overall pick on a quarterback that if he hits
his ceiling, you're still going to want more. You can't
do that. This kid at least has that upside you
can dream on.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It is The Doug Gottlieb Show on five Sports Radio.
Stefan Diggs has a torn acl yet the Patriots gave
a bunch of money, and again, if we're honest, the
Bills were kind of downe with stuff on Diggs and
they were just just as good, if not better, without him.
What are your thoughts on the Patriots and their level
of investment in the receiver.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I just don't know. I mean, I guess I'm okay
with it. You know, the number, and he had played
well in Houston last year before he got hurt. There's
no argument from what you said about Buffalo though they
didn't you know, they didn't keep the beat, and Josh
Allen played better you know, without him, So those things
are true. I'm okay with them signing him, and even
(23:39):
the money. I guess. If it happened at the beginning
of free agency and we were under the illusion that
there were a bunch of other shooters, I just don't
know who you were bidding against at this point in time,
you know, just from a number standpoint, it seemed a
little bit high, not knowing what kind of market was
out there. But maybe, hey, maybe maybe you and I
are out of the loop, and maybe there were multiple
teams that were willing to pay him and in that range,
(24:01):
but you know, they did need to get Drake May
some help, and if he does get back healthy, it's
you know, it's understandable to want him on your team
because he's better than who you got.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
No question about it. This is the Doug Gotlib Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah is our guest. Sam
and I got a little heated discussion. We're talking about
college basketball, and I was trying to explain to him
the disparity between the haves and the have nots, and
he's like, you know, coaching, and like, again, I'm a
coach at a lower level. I understand coaching does totally matters.
(24:32):
But the idea that you can be competitive at the
lower end division one with the top end division one.
I ask you that because as you get ready for
your draft prep, the disparity in the talent between you know,
the f not not just the FCS and FBS, but
(24:52):
the power for conferences and everywhere else. What's the gap?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Like it's never been larger, you know, And I I
think this tournament, this basketball tournament's been kind of an
eye opener. But if you have followed college football, you're
kind of seeing it, you know, like this is, this is,
this is where we are. And I've I'm you know,
graduate of Appalachian State University. It's never been harder than
(25:16):
it is right now for that program. And I you know,
from a football standpoint, you're you go out there and
you you know, you recruit, you develop, you get the
guys on the field, they perform. And I think we
had I think we lost four kids to the SEC
you know before last year, and it's like, gosh, what
happened to the program? And it's like, well, all these
all the stuff that we've done for thirty forty years
(25:39):
that's led to a winning program is no longer an advantage.
And I see it, you know, outside of those you know,
big conferences, like you're seeing it living in San Diego,
San Diego State, Like kidd has a great year, guess what,
he's gone to Ohio State next year. Like you're not
going to be able to keep them. So it's just
such a constant churn. I don't know what the answer
(26:00):
is for those programs. You know, it's almost like it's
it's kind of separated. It felt like remember when it
used to be fewer teams in Division one and football
and there was a bigger group in one Double A,
and then all these schools, including the one I went to,
jumped up and one Double A was smaller. Now it's
like basically the Power four is Division one and the
(26:20):
non Power four is Division one Double A. That's like
what it was, you know, twenty years ago. It's just
kind of all it's it's the haves and the have not's.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
No, I could not possibly agree with you more. Right,
Like a lower level teams become the farm system for
the bigger teams. And the bigger teams also they'll just
you know, stack guys. You know, they'll pay guys a
bunch of money sit on their bench because those guys
are like, I'm not going to make it to the pros.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Anyway, I was talking to I was talking to a
coach in the SEC, the head coach in the SEC
for football two days ago, and we were talking about
their roster and some of the guys they got and how,
you know, how it looks for the spring and going
over things, and he just goes, yeah, you know, we
got this one player if he was a higher profile
(27:05):
SEC program. And he was like, I'm like, well, how
did you get him? He said, well, he was only
making five hundred thousand there. We paid him a million.
Wasn't even he wasn't even really getting on the field.
But I mean like that, that's the That's just insane
to me, Like that's how what the money is right now.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yep, that is insane and that is how it works. DJ.
Can't wait to see it in Green Bay. We'll talk
to you next week. Thanks so much for be our guest.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Thanks Buddy che Man.
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Speaker 1 (27:43):
Doug Otlib Show Fox Sports Radio. So Lebron was on
with Pat McAfee. Right, Uh, what's it called the Lebron Versation? Yeah,
so so funny. I uh, we'll talk about this in
the podcast a little bit. The old revenge game idea. Right, Oh,
(28:05):
it's a revenge game and it's really really interesting. You
know that Michael Jordan would use any sort of slight
as motivation, but he would take it out in the
basketball floor on people. We can get into a discussion
over why Lebron had this conversation. It's fine, but the
(28:29):
also the what was discussed is interesting. Here's Lebron, who
sat down Pat McAfee said, our fifteen minutes talking about Giannis.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
You're trying to tell me Giannis wouldn't be able to
play an NBA game.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
In the seventies.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
He wouldn't be able to do.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
Giannis ans Lakoupo would have two hundred and fifty points
in a game in a seventeen's and fifty.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So what that is is that's a shot at guys
who This is the the JJ reddick, the hey you
were playing against plumbers sort of deal. What's interesting about
it is, I'll just tell you my my overall takeaway.
We don't need to we don't need to kind of
lay it out. I think he comes across incredibly small
and incredibly insecure. He's like trying to laugh and settle scores.
(29:20):
You know. He talks. He talks ish on Brian Windhorst.
He says, Wendy says, we're best friends. He laughs about it.
He made fun of steven A. Smith. This is this
is interesting. Here's him talking about steven A. Smith and
the confrontation with steven A.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Which leads obviously to you and steven A Hey. Legit.
That feels like a moment that had been brewing for
a long time. He's like on a Taylor Swift tour
run right now. Oh yeah, yeah, we're watching it.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
We're awesome.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Well you're seeing it as well. It's you know.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
He literally it started off with I didn't want to
address it. Yeah, sure I didn't. I didn't want to
address it. I wasn't going to address it. Since the
video came out, I feel the need to address it.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Talk about it.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Are you kidding me? If it's one person that couldn't
wait to the video or to drop so you can
address it, is your ass, like seriously and like another
He completely like missed the whole point. Never would I
ever not allow people to talk about the sport, criticize
players about what they do on the court. That is
(30:25):
your job to criticize or to you know, be in
a position where okay, if a guy's not performing, you
know that is all that is all part of the game,
that's all part of the game. But when you take it
and you get personal with it, it's my job to
not only protect my damn household, but protect the players.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Hmm, okay, so how is it not personal if it's
a player but the players, your son and oh yeah,
by the way, he's right, Like, first of all, Lebron
is that's absolutely right. Steven A has taken this and
he's gone everywhere and then all these things like he's
like using it as a reason to get on all
(31:08):
these different shows, which is odd. I thought the Taylor
shift thing is. On the other hand, is it Lebron
doing sort of the same thing, right? And oh yeah,
by the way, like Lebron, you mean to tell me
that there was never a moment you could have called
him on the phone. There was never a moment where
(31:29):
you could have had somebody when he knew he's at
the game, say hey, man, could talk to you after
the game, appreciate you. But no, you did it during
a timeout of a live basketball game. During a timeout
of a basketball game. I've never seen that. So the
(31:50):
idea that this is a private conversation that should have
remained private when you have it in a public setting
is And you criticize steven A for going on a
tour and talking about it when you're doing the exact
same thing is ironic? Is it not? In regards to
(32:13):
Giannis and the would he scored two hundred and fifty
points like, Look, let's just have the conversation. The NBA
is very, very different. Is if Jannie is Wilt Chamberlain,
who have famously scored one hundred points. Wilt Chamberlain, if
you've seen the videos, not crazy skilled, right, not nearly
as skilled as as Giannis is. On the other hand,
(32:36):
the training is different now, the way training is different now,
the diet is different now. So if Jiannis went back
in time and played in the seventies, what would his
body look like? If Wilt Chamberlain came up in twenty
and twenty five, what would his body and his game
look like. In addition to the fact that it's not
played like it is today where there's five guys outside
(32:59):
the three point line, there used to be two guys
inside the lane on offense and two guys on defense.
So you're comparing non comparables. And the crazy thing about
it is Lebron and JJ are two really, really smart guys.
They're too smart for their own good, and they're way
too arrogant for their own good. They just are. And
again you can be like a what was it called,
(33:22):
what's a Bron fan called? What's the term that everybody uses?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
I had never heard this, but recently you told me
that bron sexual.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I've heard that. That's the one. Sam. Had you heard
that that term?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
No, No, that's that's very common. I would just think
of like a.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Lebro or something, you know, I don't know, Okay, libro
I'd never heard of then, And it feels that you're
about to tread on thin ice, so he's trying to
steer the conversation away.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
No, three times over.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Lebron you've never.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Heard You've never heard that term until recently.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
I had not until you brought it up first.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Buyer. Have you heard that term?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Uh, maybe here or there, but not not on the
regular I think lebro is better.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
He's a libro, Yeah, libro. I think a lebro is
a lot more appropriate, but just but bron sexual is
what has is the is kind of the Twitter f
It's a it's clever, it's Trevor. I don't know what
Jordan fans are called though, which is Jordan? I don't
I don't know. And by the way, you have to
be one of the other and you can't mention Larry Burner,
Magic Johnson for what reason I'm not really sure. But anyway, Yeah,
(34:30):
I mean like the whole thing is super uncomfortable to me.
To me, it's like McAfee is quite obviously tweaking steven
A Smith, who they're supposed to be on the same team,
but they're not right, but they're not, and lebron is
(34:51):
he's drinking wine, he's settling scores, Like why why did
Brian winhorse catch as stray? Why do you care what
people on social media say about you? He just looks
he feels like a twenty twenty five college or high
school or young a young adult. Maybe that plays young,
but why do you care? Like would anybody have, in
(35:16):
a reasonable mind, have an argument that he's a top
five player all time in the NBA? Is there any
reason to argue with that? Again, I'm not saying he's fifth,
I'm not saying he's first. Is there any form of
reasonable argument that could say he's not one of the
top five players all time?
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Dann Byer, No, he's top five for sure.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Okay, so we can all conclude that he's one of
the greatest basketball players ever. If you want to argue
he's the best or the second best, the third best
and fourth best best, like, you can get those arguments.
They get dumb after a while because people dig in
and they want to use any It becomes like politics
and no one can ever like they're just all great
and they're all different, like whatever. Don't care, but lists
(35:58):
are what brings people like lists and controversial takes, and
many people have made a good, healthy living off of
the healthy debate over Lebron or Michael Jordan. I have not.
I don't care. You people have sucked all the fun
out of any sort of real sports discussion, and you've
(36:18):
made it not fun. But the fact that Lebron cares
is just super weird to me, just super weird to me.
I don't think there's anything any other way to put it, Like,
why does Lebron care? If Brian Windhorst somebody on social media,
(36:39):
or even if Windhorse which he didn't say, said himself
like we were really close friends who are high school
teammates or whatever, why does he Why do you care?
You don't have to correct people. You're Lebron James. You
don't have to give context to anything. You're Lebron James, right,
(37:01):
But for some reason he felt the need mid season, which,
by the way, and again I didn't listen to the
entirety of the interview. I listened to more clips, But
was there ever a time when he go where mcfee's like, hey,
how come every March you're injured? Right, It's like every
(37:27):
March he's injured, and every March he does something to
like he needs attention, Like, you don't need attention, You're
Lebron James. Everybody already pays attention. And just the irony
of the whole thing, which with the Steve and A's
doing a tour, is popping on every show like why
are you on Pat McAfee.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Safe place?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Right? I mean, but that's that's the other thing that
he does. It's the reason he wasn't in the dunk contest,
the reason he does the barber shop, which is supposed
to be some open converse sation where it's just a
bunch of guys laughing at his jokes. Well, it's the
same reason that now you're going to announce that JJ
is getting replaced by who's replacing him on the podcast,
Steve Nash. Steve Nash, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
I mean to Dan's point, I think if you want
to have the conversation about why this interview, the interview
doesn't happen unless Lebron asks for it to happen, Like
he fields requests and says no to all of them,
and so he's going to ask to do this. He's
in Annapolis again. I think that kind of rivalry between
(38:38):
McAfee and steven A is a reason for this. And
it's just a strange thing that you know, obviously ESPN
is a rights holder, but you just don't see Lebron
doing these interviews. Ever. He'll he'll like pop on a
set maybe inside the NBA or whatever during an All
(38:58):
Star weekend. But this is such a rare appearance. It
obviously must have been Lebron's doing.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Oh yeah, you know that. I'm sure the stephen A
thing was ticking him off. I think all the conversation
and I'm sure there's a portion of it, a portion
of it where Brony just came off some great G
League game and he wants to do the victory tour.
The f you to everybody run the figure of the air.
But again, even that you don't have to do. You're Lebron, James.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Hell, You've probably also senioron Rodgers be there for the
last three years and not get any pushback to any
question as well.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, so uh okay, So Byer like I'm interested in
your opinion, like does how does Lebron come off? I
guess it's TV and radio looking sounding to you.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I think it's always great to see the star be
in a more comfortable atmosphere, but I also feel like
that the goal, that's what they're trying to sell us,
so there's always some skepticism. It's honestly, it's the same
thing with Tiger Woods. When Tiger Woods would do anything
that was out of the norm, you'd always say, well,
what's the catch, what's the catch here? Because they were
(40:17):
so protective around him with everything that he did. And
I feel like it's that with Lebron, of all right,
what's the catch here?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
What are we trying to do?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I feel your guys analysis and assessment of the stephen
A thing is one hundred percent and fair. I think
that you know it benefits the mcavie show. Obviously, if
Lebron James wants to come on your show, you're going
to say yes, no doubt about it. But yeah, I
feel that it's all It's tough for me to make
it feel one hundred percent genuine but I also don't
(40:50):
think that that interview is done for me. I think
it's done for other people who obviously would like to
consume that sort of Lebron stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Jase dou how do you think he comes up.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
I've always said this. I think Dan can be my
witness for being one of the most famous people in
the world. He seeks out attention when he doesn't need to.
He's going to get enough attention in his life because
he's Lebron James, but he seeks out attention for this stuff.
He wants. He wants to be a part of the conversation.
The problem is he wants to control the variables. He's
(41:31):
not going to go on I don't know sixty minutes.
It's kind of soft now too. But I was trying
to think of an outlet where he would go on,
where he would be asked some tough questions, not only
about basketball and Browny and the lie that the Lakers
told last year when they said that they drafted him
on merit and all that stuff, but some of the
drive by political opinions he's gotten in trouble for. There's
(41:53):
the whole he Diddy association. There's a lot of there's
a lot of ground to cover that would make me happy.
I like that are uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I like confidence Dan would be the guy, right, Dan
would be the guy.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Buyer or Patrick?
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, yeah, No, don't even think of me, Jason, No again,
like he's a moron?
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yeah, I mean no, you don't have to say it
that that like, No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
I don't even get.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Pretty harsh, Sam.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Wouldn't you even say that was pretty harsh by Doug No,
immediately dismissed. No, immediately immediately, No, Dan Bayer, don't be
an idiot, Jason.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Listen, I don't even think I'm again, I know it
would be we could have a legit conversation. I actually
there's just no way he would ever do a sit
down at me ever ever, because again, like we could
have a legitimate basketball But the guy who has the
credibility name uh, can do the mental gymnastics and the
(42:59):
ability to call bull crap is Dan Patrick? Right?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Am I am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (43:07):
I would hope that Dan would I would hope Yeah,
why would he not? I think it's just when when
you get a chance to have somebody a guy like
that on your show. I think a lot of people
go to the deferential thing.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
I know they, I know they do.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I don't think Dan does. I could be wrong. You know,
I don't listen to a show every day anymore, just
because I am working, I do listen to show or
I have it on in my in my office. Uh.
I think he's the one guy. I mean again, if
Colin does the differential thing, right, Colin Colin does. I'm
sure if Colin had Aaron Rodgers on, like, he would
(43:45):
be eating out Aaron Rodgers' lap by the end of it. Dan,
and Dan does it in a way in which you
don't even know what happened, Like, wait, what just happened? Yeah,
he got you to tell us all your childhood secrets
he did. Yeah. Yeah. Rome wouldn't do it. Rome would
be deferential. Uh. Is there anybody else in the sports
(44:07):
media world? I mean, I guess green doesn't even have
a show anymore, does he? Does Greeny have a show anymore?
I don't think he does.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Not a radio show. Now I'm thinking about one guy.
Maybe you guys can tell me the name. Who is
the guy who did the Princess Diana interview in the
nineties and then he sat down with Michael Jackson. Do
you remember that guy anyway, Martin? Yes, yes, Martin, that's
the kind of interview I want to see.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
No, No, he doesn't know anything about sports.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
I don't really need a sports interview.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
I'll take this, I'll take that. Take that rememb when
they were shopping.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Oh yeah, I was so uncomfortable. I was really uncomfortable
watching that. Does anybody else get that? Like? Just yeah,
why am I so uncomfortable watching this? Really uncomfortable? Yikes? Man,
Martin Bursch here, that's really who you would pick.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
I'm just saying that the style of interview I want
is that, like, no agreed upon topics, let's dive into
this and get uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Does anybody do that?
Speaker 5 (45:16):
That's what I'm trying to think of. I'm trying to
think of the modern day of that person.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah. Well, I mean again, I'd like to be that guy.
I just I'm also very comfortable with the fact that
I'm not seeing at that level. Although Lebron tweeted at me,
so obviously he's paying attention on some level. I think
Dan Patrick's the answer.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
What I think is the interesting portion of it is
as well of like, where's the cutoff of the NBA
star where you start to ask, like if they're in
that realm, Like if shake Gilgess Alexander potential MVP comes on,
do you ask him any tough questions? Is it just
(45:55):
a grab bag sort of thing? I also think that
aspect is interesting. At what point are you just like, Okay,
we just want the name on the show. We don't
care about the content. We just want the name on
the show and the soundbites that they're going to provide,
so we're not going to push back at all on anything.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
At what point do you push back and ask real questions?
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Well, that's the old Derek Cheater interview thing right When
I was at ESPN and Scott Shapiro is our boss.
He knows this because he before he was in charge
of Mike and Mike in the Morning, he was the
producer for Mike and Mike in the Morning, and like
they got everybody right, they got everybody, got all the
best guests. But to the rest of us, you know,
(46:35):
like we're trying to get guests on the on the show.
And there used to be an email that went out
every day and it would have like the guest list
of this guy and producers tried to win the Email
of the Day, and it was one email. It wasn't
like a succession of emails, but it was like, you know,
Dan had these guys, Colin Head, these guys. I would
(46:57):
have guys. There's other shows Mike and Mike. Mike almost
always won the day. But it's one of those interviews
where you're like, oh, uh, do you had Derek Jeter on?
Knowing Derek Jeter was a terrible interview because he wasn't
going to say anything. It was usually very short, but
the only win in it was saying, we had Derek
(47:18):
Jeter on the show. What do he say? I don't
know that matter. Now. Lebron actually said some stuff and
they did sort of go into some topics, but they
were clearly set up topics that he could then go
and punch down on people. I just like, look, man,
you're you're forty years old, you're the all time leaning
(47:41):
scored NBA history, You've won four NBA titles. Your team,
by the way, just traded for one of the biggest
youngest superstars in the game. So if you want to
keep playing, no one keeps telling you not to. You
got a guy who you respect as a friend is
your head coach, You got your son on the team,
You live in Los Angeles, you're building any building a
(48:03):
new place in Beverly Hills, or yeah, I think right,
you moved out of Brent when he's in Beverly Hills,
or they built. I don't know, but by any buddies estimation,
you won, right, you got it. We can argue about
if you're the best, the second best, the third best, whatever,
and drive ourselves crazy of our questions that really don't
(48:24):
have answers, But what's really what did you really win today?
By calling Brian Windhorse weird? Okay, by making fun of
Steven A. Smith, by telling basically saying players in the
seventies and earlier sucked that Giannison Tenacupo would score two
(48:47):
hundred and fifty points. What was the win in that?
And if you're honest with yourself, whether your team Jordan
or Team Lebron, you're a bro? Is that what you said?
If you're a Lebro, If you're honest with yourself, if
you take Lebron off, his name off of it, and
(49:11):
you go like, hey, what if I told you that
a guy has accomplished this? This? This consider the one
of the all time greats. And he went on a
rivals podcast and made fun of somebody else going on
other podcasts, made fun of a guy who's covered him
as a reporter and now it's kind of a quasi analyst.
(49:31):
They grew up together, point out all the other flaws
and other people. What would you say about him? You
would all say, like, boy, that guy has to be
super super insecure or is just a just a douche.
That's there's really no other way to say it. I
(49:53):
That's how it comes across to me, Like I get it, dude,
you're awesome. Everybody's told you're awesome. This is what happens
when you're awesome and everybody tells you're awesome, You just
you just want to pick out the flaws and others
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including Lebron James, James going on with Pat McAfee and
what's the deal with Lebron James going on to Pat McAfee.
We'll play for you some of that sound and we'll
(01:10):
try and get to the bottom of like, huh, it
kind of feels like potcorn ket a little bit. But
before we get to that, let's get to this. Some
of the news that I woke up to was that
Russell Wilson has signed with the Giants. Right signed with
the Giants. And it's interesting because I think there's a
(01:33):
world there where you have a head coach w you's
seen as a quarterback whisper, a definite need for energy
and change. And they had signed Jamis Winston, who's like
the everyone's favorite backup quarterback. That felt and looked like
the Giants are going to draft Shadoor Sanders. I think
it's a reasonable assumption to make, like, ooh, Giants need
(01:57):
a quarterback. Giants have quarterback. Shador Sanders would love to
be in a big city and working with a you know,
working with a quarterback guru as a head coach. That
one just makes sense. And then what did the Giants do?
(02:18):
They they signed Russell Wilson. You did what? They signed
Russell Wilson. And this is not a me. I told
you guys at the time all season long that the
Pittsburgh Steelers did not have next year's quarterback on the roster. Sam,
(02:39):
you keep track of all the sound on the show.
Did I actually say that, yes, you said that. There
you go, Thanks Sam, I appreciate that. So we told
you that the Pittsburgh Steelers were the If you have
two quarterbacks, you don't have any right. Which is what
which is true? And it's a really odd move if
(03:00):
you want to think about it, because, yeah, Russell Wilson's
achieved a lot during his NFL career, but this is
the how many straight years have we had where Russell
has been with a different team that has been like, yeah,
we're good here. He wanted to go back to Pittsburgh,
(03:21):
they didn't want him back. He was in Denver and
first year his coach gets fired. Second year, his coach says,
we don't want you back. And he wouldn't have gotten
to Denver if Seattle wanted to have him back. So
in reality, it's his fourth straight team that didn't win
(03:43):
and didn't want him back, and the Giants are like, yeah,
we'll take you, we'll sign you, and I guess he's
the starter. Although there's a world there where he competes
with Jamis Winston, who's you know, he's had. He hasn't
had the success of Russell Wilson, but he may have
more left in the tank. Most important, most importantly, what
(04:05):
does it mean for this roster? Right? What does it
mean for the roster of the teams that are in
front in front of the New York Giants in terms
of the upcoming NFL Draft, It has to mean to
me that the Raiders would be the team that are
going to sign him. The only problem is the Raiders
(04:26):
trader for Gino Smith. The Browns are the team that
he supposedly wants to avoid. But what are the actual options?
And then you look at these mock drafts, She's like,
wait a second, way, So what's what's Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft?
How does it happen now? And yeah, that means do
(04:47):
the do the Browns? Are the Browns kind of forced
to take sdor Sanders or is he forced to go
there because the Giants are at three? And yeah, they
could trade out of that third spot, or they go
get Travis Hunter. Cam Ward appears destined to go number one.
And then after that you got New England they think
they have their quarterback. You got Jacksonville they think they
(05:08):
have their quarterback. And then you have the Raiders who
just traded for a quarterback. You got the Jets where maybe,
but they just gave a bunch of money to a
former top pick to be their starter Carolina number one
overall pick is Shadre Better New Orleans at nine. I
(05:31):
don't know. I just think the whole thing is fascinating
now and it may it may end up being the
Cleveland Browns are kind of forced to take shad Door Sanders. Dan,
what do you think in terms of this move? Do
the Giants know that the Browns are gonna draft shad
Door Sanders or do you think they're just turned off
by Shador Sanders and they're gonna go with a veteran
(05:51):
in place and then go out and draft somebody next
to year or maybe draft a guy late, you know,
in late rounds and development.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I tried to on the surface at it feels that
the Giants have moved away because of the signings that
you mentioned of Winston and Wilson. I tried to take
a look deeper and not as much on the Brown side,
but more on the Giants side of things. And I
know that Joe Shane didn't draft Daniel Jones, but I
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do feel that in a sense, if you're John Merraw,
the Giants owner who I think will have a lot,
maybe more of a say, considering how the Saquon Barkley thing,
you know turned out that we all saw last year,
a say, and who they're going to draft at this point,
and I don't know if reaching for a quarterback and
I do think that taking Shador Sanders at three is
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an overall reach for the position. I don't know if
they're going to do that, And so that's why I
think that they're moving away just from the simple fact
of Remember they took Daniel Jones sixth overall when they
drafted him, and at that point we were like, whoa,
you know, Daniel Jones goes sixth overall and John Merrow
is still co owner and he's, you know, co owner.
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Now that's kind of my thinking of it, that they're
gonna stick with the veteran routes, not because of what
the Browns may do, but because I don't think they
want to settle for just I don't want to say,
mediocre players, but maybe because should Sanders.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They don't want to reach for a need.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yes, exactly, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I mean. And now it becomes really interesting, right, do
the brown are the Browns really gonna take him or
the Browns pass, you know, and then you get the
drama of how far is shud Or Sander's fallen when
we don't actually think he's fallen. It's just I don't know.
He thought it was the number two right quarterback in
the draft, and quarterbacks seems to be a valuable guy.
Why hasn't he been taken yet? It's very interesting, very interesting,
(07:50):
Jay stew you search for the opposite of BS. That's
one of the things you want to hear of your
on your tombstone. Right. Helped me cut through what is
the opposite of BS in in what happened with the
Giants signing Russell Wilson, who four straight teams and I
know that it's two years of Denver, but the reality is,
(08:10):
you change coach Stafford, coach gets fired. You know, nobody
wanted him back. Four straight teams essentially told him no thanks,
They signed Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, that hasn't that proved that Sean Payton was right.
I thought that Sean Payton at the time was a
little hard on Russell Wilson. I thought that he in
his mind had moved beyond the guy and wanted to
bring in his own guy, and he was unfair to
him a little bit, but I think he was just
right about him.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
He's just not a very uh, he's not a great
NFL quarterback. And I think that there is something maybe
what what Dan was referring to is that I just
think that the Giants know something about what the Browns
are going to do, and they're, uh, they're just doing
this for a one one year gap and uh and
and but they're going to draft Travis Hunter. I guess
(09:00):
sounds like a do some plant.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, like a gap year, a gap year, and then
next year they go and draft a quarterback or do
they draft one. I think that what most of these
guys want to do is they want to draft somebody
in the later rounds and develop him and then year two,
you know, somehow they work him in there and you know,
it's like a red shirt year for a guy that
(09:22):
would be by guess because if you look at what
so many of these and part of it is the
rehabbed quarterback, the Sam Darnold of the world, Baker Mayfield
obviously previous to that, Gino Smith previous to that. That's
kind of become the thing in the NFL like, if
you have a dude, get that dude, sign that dude,
figure it out. If you don't have a dude, maybe
(09:45):
you go this route. And then once you go that route,
you develop somebody young. And if you get somebody young
and cheap like what the Niners had, well, by all means,
then you fill out your roster. We've talked about this
with all of our draft analysts over the last couple
of months, and they've agreed this is a trend. The
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only question is with the Giants having two veteran former
starting quarterbacks and you know, like I said, Russell Wilson,
it also signifies that obviously Aaron Rodgers not going to
the Giants anyway, that for Aaron Rodgers it's it's Steelers
or sit and wait. One would think with all of
that happening, this is I don't even know if there's
(10:31):
room for a younger quarterback much the way there will
be room in Las Vegas in Seattle with some of
these other teams.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yes, d yeah, I was just gonna say, just you know,
in the way that I look at it, and the
way to look at quarterbacks is well, if Daniel Jeremiah
coming up next hours I don't think that you can
look at the guys just in this class only I
think the Titans are and maybe the Titans feel desperate,
maybe they need to do that, but I just don't
think that's the way you do it, especially when we
(11:01):
are moving off of quarterbacks so quickly. Maybe that's an
excuse to draft the guy in that point, but I
just don't. I don't feel that that's the case. And
if you're taking this this class in last year's class
and combining them and cam Ward and Shadoor Sanders are
seven and eight or six seven in that eight quarterback ranking,
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I just don't know how you're necessarily ahead at that point.
And I'm the guy Doug that I always felt like, well,
if you're in the top five, you gotta how often
are you going to be picking in the top five?
Maybe take your quarterback at that point? And it's just
to me, it's just changed a little bit. Is I
just I wouldn't want to overdraft the guys fair enough?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, because then you're then you're kind of stuck. Right
once you got a guy in that first round, you're stuck.
And if you're Joel Shane, you're like, well, if I
didn't get fired for the sake of on Barkley thing.
I could definitely get fired if I draft the wrong
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the day in the NFL, if you woke up to
it was Russell Wilson signs, and I thought there was
a chance Russell Wilson's NFL career was over. Not because
he couldn't be a backup, but Russell Wilson doesn't seem
like a guy who fits being a backup, right, So
(13:19):
he signs with the New York Giants, And you're like, oh, okay, Well,
obviously the Giants are out on the air Rogers and
they have Jameis Winston, so he got two quarterbacks, so
that means they're out in Shador Sanders. But we know
Shandor Sanders or we think doesn't want to go to
the Browns, right, and the Tennessee Titans looked like they're
gonna draft cam Ward, So what does that mean for Sture?
(13:40):
Let's welcome in Daniel Jeremiah DJ, of course is when
you watch the NFL Network on April twenty fourth, lave
in Green Bay, you'll see Daniel Jeremiah. He's the lead
NFL Draft analyst on the NFL Network and he joins
us now on Fox Sports Radio. What does Russell Wilson
(14:00):
in signing with the Giants need for Shudor Sanders.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Great hear from me, Doug. You know, I don't think
there's concrete information you can take out of that. The
reason I say that is I think if they were,
you know, if they still had big grades, if they
loved shud Or Sanders, I would think they could still
take him. There is a little bit of precedent with this,
you know, when the the Jets had signed McCown and
signed Geno Smith and they drafted Sam and then they
(14:26):
traded Geno, so we have seen I wouldn't totally rule
that out. But to me, I always look at these things,
and I look at windows and timelines and urgency levels,
and this is a Giants team that needs to win
games next year, So you go out and get two
veteran quarterbacks. It feels to me more like that would
be kind of the way they would go their first
(14:47):
pick would then be someone who can help them win
games next year. You know, whether that's you know, Abdul Carter,
Travis Hunter, whichever one of them you know, could potentially
be there. Maybe they're both there and they have their choice.
But that's where I would be leaning at looking at it.
But that's not you know, that's not concrete, and uh,
you know, I still wouldn't be surprised if if they
(15:08):
did do that, if they were in the market for
that next tier of quarterbacks, just kind of roll the
dice on one of the you know, the the second tier
guys in the next round.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, second day as I think a lot of a
lot of guys are going to be on those second
day quarterbacks. Okay, so let's go back to Shador. What
are the options now? Like New Orleans is an option.
I guess Cleveland is an option, but there doesn't seem
to be a crazy number of options.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, I think Shador is going to go two or
three or fall like that's the that's the options. Like
he's going to be, you know, a Brown, He's going
to be a giant. And if those two, if he
gets past that third pick, then I think you could
go on a little bit of a tumble and then
you start seeing, you know, other teams become in the mix,
(15:56):
Like is the Rams, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Do they like him?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Would they be interested in maybe moving up a little
bit or are they comfortable sitting and seeing if he's there?
The Steelers at twenty one, even if they signed Rogers, Like,
is that potentially in option Miami? You know, is kind
of a sneaky one just because Tua you know, hasn't
been healthy and I think based off of his contract,
there's a way they can kind of free themselves a
little bit after this year. So maybe that's maybe that's
(16:22):
one we're not thinking of. But to answer your question, Doug,
I don't see a spot for him in the top
ten if he doesn't go two or three. I just
I don't think the Raiders are going to do it.
I feel like they've got an older coach. They went
out and got Geno. This feels like they're wanting to
win right now with Gino and then the Jets with
Fields and his age, and at least you can still
(16:44):
sell yourself on his upside that they would try and
at least roll the dice with him for a little
bit and not go right back to the quarterback mark
before they saw him play a game, and then the
last one would be the Saints. And I just don't know.
I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot just in
terms of, uh, you know, with with with Dion and
(17:04):
with Shador and you're Kellen Moore first year head coach, like,
I don't know, that seems like that could be. You know,
Dion's going to say he's going to refute that and
say there's nothing, there's nothing to it, But it is.
There's it's it's it's not just a normal first round
quarterback pick.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, I would. I don't have any inside information into
the new Raiders regime, but it does stand to reason
that if Pete Carroll was most successful in the NFL
by drafting a quarterback in the third round and developed
and developing him slowly over time, and he has you know,
Smith who can be a nice placeholder, and the value
(17:43):
of the quarterbacks in this draft are outside of the
first day. Of course, that seems like it, Saiy're planning.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Correct, Yeah, I think so. And I think with the
Raiders specifically, I mean, your offensive coordinator has just come
off of a National Championship with Will Howard. So you
could say, Okay, you want to get another quarterback in there,
then maybe that's Will Howard. And you know where can
you get him? Is that the third round? You know,
what does that look like? With his value? I would
(18:10):
think they would be, you know, elated to make that
call with their I think they picked sixty eight in
the third round. I don't know if they would take
him at thirty seven, but that gives him a young
quarterback and he gets to come sit behind Geno and
then they have the sixth and thirty seventh pick to
come in and help him right away.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports for You. That's
the voice of Daniel Jeremih's the lead NFL Draft analyst
for the NFL Network. He also has moved The Sticks
as a podcast. Still no word on Aaron Rodgers, although
they're circling and there is there's at least and again
this is like social media, but apparently McAfee is having
(18:50):
some big show on the seventh of April, and there's
some discussion that he could announce. Then what do you
think the likeli it of him going to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Goes, well, it's Pittsburgh retirement, and you know, I would
think this gets done with Pittsburgh. I don't think he's
you know, he's gonna retire at this point in time.
So yeah, I think it's inevitable. It's just a matter
of how long it's going to drag out. It's it's
it's entering into the annoying territory. I would say, just
(19:20):
of like, let's just let's just be able to plan
around it and get done. But who knows, maybe there's
been some private assurances made there to the Steelers. You know,
I don't know it is. I just it seems so
unnecessary to me, like just make a decision like this,
yes or no, you don't want to play for the Steelers,
you want to retire, like, let's let's go.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah. I don't. I don't get it either, but but
it does track. It's completely unbranded, is it not that
that of all the guys to make everybody wait, Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Is don't don't you think this is different? Doug? Like
for like in the past, it's been man every day
like you check in like I don't know about you,
but like I don't I'm not clicking refresh on my
computer to see if he's coming back or not. It's
just kind of like, well, they're gonna pay with Aaron
Rodgers or I guess they go you know, they've got
Mason Rudolph, they go out and sign Joe Flacco. You know,
I don't know, but it's not it's not front of
(20:08):
mine like it was previously with him. I think if
you thought this was going to bring you attention, I
don't know that it is.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Okay, let's circle back to the other part. Why the
Giants think that Russell Wilson can be the answer? When
the Steelers the Broncos times two and the Seahawks clear
they do.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Not well, they must feel like they've got the system
and the pieces in place to help him. I guess
to get a better performance. I don't know that it's
a massive upgrade there, you know, over what you had
in Daniel Jones. I know you can a lot of
fans like to do on social media just post out
(20:46):
the touchdowns to interception ratio as the be all end all.
But if you watch those games down the stretch for Pittsburgh,
that was tough. That was tough to watch. So yeah,
I don't know. I know, you've got a lot of
experience there. He's a veteran. He can get you in
and out of the right plays and and learn the
system and all that stuff. But you tell me, Doug,
(21:07):
when you look around that division, how do you I mean,
they're a distant force with him or jamis starting in
terms of the quarterback position, They're uh, they're fighting uphill.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
They are fighting up hill. It's the Doug Gotlib Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah is is our guest. Okay,
So what we did kind of sort of bury the lead,
if you will, and that lead would be that we
were interested. If you know, the Titans early on put
out some sort of chum in the water that they
(21:40):
weren't going to draft cam Ward. Now they are. What
are your expectations for cam Ward with the Titans.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's what they do, and
I uh, you know, the upside is very high. He's
got a ton of talent. He's got he's got a
big time arm. I like the fact that he's strong
and sturdy in there. He's not a huge guy, but
he's thick and so you've got quick hands, RPO stuff,
should be good. I think they've built their team, Doug.
(22:08):
A lot of people focused on the moves they made
on the offensive line and said, oh, they've built their
team to be able to protect, to better protect a
young quarterback. And I look at the guys they brought in.
They brought in guys that can run, block like they
are going to try and run the football.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
And protect your young quarterback. That way protect you a.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Different way of doing it. It's a different way of
doing it, but that's that's the type of team I
think they're going to be. So yeah, I'm totally good
with it. I don't you know, I can make a
case with with Abdil Carter is the best player in
the draft. For me, he is. Travis Hunter would be
behind him there. But you know, when you don't have
a quarterback and you've got one who has the upside
(22:45):
you can dream on. I am very much against the
first overall pick on a quarterback that if he hits
his ceiling, you're still going to want more. You can't
do that. This kid at least has that upside you
can dream on.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It is The Doug Gottlieb Show on five Sports Radio.
Stefan Diggs has a torn acl yet the Patriots gave
a bunch of money, and again, if we're honest, the
Bills were kind of downe with stuff on Diggs and
they were just just as good, if not better, without him.
What are your thoughts on the Patriots and their level
of investment in the receiver.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I just don't know. I mean, I guess I'm okay
with it. You know, the number, and he had played
well in Houston last year before he got hurt. There's
no argument from what you said about Buffalo though they
didn't you know, they didn't keep the beat, and Josh
Allen played better you know, without him, So those things
are true. I'm okay with them signing him, and even
(23:39):
the money. I guess. If it happened at the beginning
of free agency and we were under the illusion that
there were a bunch of other shooters, I just don't
know who you were bidding against at this point in time,
you know, just from a number standpoint, it seemed a
little bit high, not knowing what kind of market was
out there. But maybe, hey, maybe maybe you and I
are out of the loop, and maybe there were multiple
teams that were willing to pay him and in that range,
(24:01):
but you know, they did need to get Drake May
some help, and if he does get back healthy, it's
you know, it's understandable to want him on your team
because he's better than who you got.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
No question about it. This is the Doug Gotlib Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah is our guest. Sam
and I got a little heated discussion. We're talking about
college basketball, and I was trying to explain to him
the disparity between the haves and the have nots, and
he's like, you know, coaching, and like, again, I'm a
coach at a lower level. I understand coaching does totally matters.
(24:32):
But the idea that you can be competitive at the
lower end division one with the top end division one.
I ask you that because as you get ready for
your draft prep, the disparity in the talent between you know,
the f not not just the FCS and FBS, but
(24:52):
the power for conferences and everywhere else. What's the gap?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Like it's never been larger, you know, And I I
think this tournament, this basketball tournament's been kind of an
eye opener. But if you have followed college football, you're
kind of seeing it, you know, like this is, this is,
this is where we are. And I've I'm you know,
graduate of Appalachian State University. It's never been harder than
(25:16):
it is right now for that program. And I you know,
from a football standpoint, you're you go out there and
you you know, you recruit, you develop, you get the
guys on the field, they perform. And I think we
had I think we lost four kids to the SEC
you know before last year, and it's like, gosh, what
happened to the program? And it's like, well, all these
all the stuff that we've done for thirty forty years
(25:39):
that's led to a winning program is no longer an advantage.
And I see it, you know, outside of those you know,
big conferences, like you're seeing it living in San Diego,
San Diego State, Like kidd has a great year, guess what,
he's gone to Ohio State next year. Like you're not
going to be able to keep them. So it's just
such a constant churn. I don't know what the answer
(26:00):
is for those programs. You know, it's almost like it's
it's kind of separated. It felt like remember when it
used to be fewer teams in Division one and football
and there was a bigger group in one Double A,
and then all these schools, including the one I went to,
jumped up and one Double A was smaller. Now it's
like basically the Power four is Division one and the
(26:20):
non Power four is Division one Double A. That's like
what it was, you know, twenty years ago. It's just
kind of all it's it's the haves and the have not's.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
No, I could not possibly agree with you more. Right,
Like a lower level teams become the farm system for
the bigger teams. And the bigger teams also they'll just
you know, stack guys. You know, they'll pay guys a
bunch of money sit on their bench because those guys
are like, I'm not going to make it to the pros.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Anyway, I was talking to I was talking to a
coach in the SEC, the head coach in the SEC
for football two days ago, and we were talking about
their roster and some of the guys they got and how,
you know, how it looks for the spring and going
over things, and he just goes, yeah, you know, we
got this one player if he was a higher profile
(27:05):
SEC program. And he was like, I'm like, well, how
did you get him? He said, well, he was only
making five hundred thousand there. We paid him a million.
Wasn't even he wasn't even really getting on the field.
But I mean like that, that's the That's just insane
to me, Like that's how what the money is right now.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yep, that is insane and that is how it works. DJ.
Can't wait to see it in Green Bay. We'll talk
to you next week. Thanks so much for be our guest.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Thanks Buddy che Man.
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Speaker 1 (27:43):
Doug Otlib Show Fox Sports Radio. So Lebron was on
with Pat McAfee. Right, Uh, what's it called the Lebron Versation? Yeah,
so so funny. I uh, we'll talk about this in
the podcast a little bit. The old revenge game idea. Right, Oh,
(28:05):
it's a revenge game and it's really really interesting. You
know that Michael Jordan would use any sort of slight
as motivation, but he would take it out in the
basketball floor on people. We can get into a discussion
over why Lebron had this conversation. It's fine, but the
(28:29):
also the what was discussed is interesting. Here's Lebron, who
sat down Pat McAfee said, our fifteen minutes talking about Giannis.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
You're trying to tell me Giannis wouldn't be able to
play an NBA game.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
In the seventies.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
He wouldn't be able to do.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
Giannis ans Lakoupo would have two hundred and fifty points
in a game in a seventeen's and fifty.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So what that is is that's a shot at guys
who This is the the JJ reddick, the hey you
were playing against plumbers sort of deal. What's interesting about
it is, I'll just tell you my my overall takeaway.
We don't need to we don't need to kind of
lay it out. I think he comes across incredibly small
and incredibly insecure. He's like trying to laugh and settle scores.
(29:20):
You know. He talks. He talks ish on Brian Windhorst.
He says, Wendy says, we're best friends. He laughs about it.
He made fun of steven A. Smith. This is this
is interesting. Here's him talking about steven A. Smith and
the confrontation with steven A.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Which leads obviously to you and steven A Hey. Legit.
That feels like a moment that had been brewing for
a long time. He's like on a Taylor Swift tour
run right now. Oh yeah, yeah, we're watching it.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
We're awesome.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Well you're seeing it as well. It's you know.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
He literally it started off with I didn't want to
address it. Yeah, sure I didn't. I didn't want to
address it. I wasn't going to address it. Since the
video came out, I feel the need to address it.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Talk about it.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Are you kidding me? If it's one person that couldn't
wait to the video or to drop so you can
address it, is your ass, like seriously and like another
He completely like missed the whole point. Never would I
ever not allow people to talk about the sport, criticize
players about what they do on the court. That is
(30:25):
your job to criticize or to you know, be in
a position where okay, if a guy's not performing, you
know that is all that is all part of the game,
that's all part of the game. But when you take it
and you get personal with it, it's my job to
not only protect my damn household, but protect the players.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Hmm, okay, so how is it not personal if it's
a player but the players, your son and oh yeah,
by the way, he's right, Like, first of all, Lebron
is that's absolutely right. Steven A has taken this and
he's gone everywhere and then all these things like he's
like using it as a reason to get on all
(31:08):
these different shows, which is odd. I thought the Taylor
shift thing is. On the other hand, is it Lebron
doing sort of the same thing, right? And oh yeah,
by the way, like Lebron, you mean to tell me
that there was never a moment you could have called
him on the phone. There was never a moment where
(31:29):
you could have had somebody when he knew he's at
the game, say hey, man, could talk to you after
the game, appreciate you. But no, you did it during
a timeout of a live basketball game. During a timeout
of a basketball game. I've never seen that. So the
(31:50):
idea that this is a private conversation that should have
remained private when you have it in a public setting
is And you criticize steven A for going on a
tour and talking about it when you're doing the exact
same thing is ironic? Is it not? In regards to
(32:13):
Giannis and the would he scored two hundred and fifty
points like, Look, let's just have the conversation. The NBA
is very, very different. Is if Jannie is Wilt Chamberlain,
who have famously scored one hundred points. Wilt Chamberlain, if
you've seen the videos, not crazy skilled, right, not nearly
as skilled as as Giannis is. On the other hand,
(32:36):
the training is different now, the way training is different now,
the diet is different now. So if Jiannis went back
in time and played in the seventies, what would his
body look like? If Wilt Chamberlain came up in twenty
and twenty five, what would his body and his game
look like. In addition to the fact that it's not
played like it is today where there's five guys outside
(32:59):
the three point line, there used to be two guys
inside the lane on offense and two guys on defense.
So you're comparing non comparables. And the crazy thing about
it is Lebron and JJ are two really, really smart guys.
They're too smart for their own good, and they're way
too arrogant for their own good. They just are. And
again you can be like a what was it called,
(33:22):
what's a Bron fan called? What's the term that everybody uses?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
I had never heard this, but recently you told me
that bron sexual.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I've heard that. That's the one. Sam. Had you heard
that that term?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
No, No, that's that's very common. I would just think
of like a.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Lebro or something, you know, I don't know, Okay, libro
I'd never heard of then, And it feels that you're
about to tread on thin ice, so he's trying to
steer the conversation away.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
No, three times over.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Lebron you've never.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Heard You've never heard that term until recently.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
I had not until you brought it up first.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Buyer. Have you heard that term?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Uh, maybe here or there, but not not on the
regular I think lebro is better.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
He's a libro, Yeah, libro. I think a lebro is
a lot more appropriate, but just but bron sexual is
what has is the is kind of the Twitter f
It's a it's clever, it's Trevor. I don't know what
Jordan fans are called though, which is Jordan? I don't
I don't know. And by the way, you have to
be one of the other and you can't mention Larry Burner,
Magic Johnson for what reason I'm not really sure. But anyway, Yeah,
(34:30):
I mean like the whole thing is super uncomfortable to me.
To me, it's like McAfee is quite obviously tweaking steven
A Smith, who they're supposed to be on the same team,
but they're not right, but they're not, and lebron is
(34:51):
he's drinking wine, he's settling scores, Like why why did
Brian winhorse catch as stray? Why do you care what
people on social media say about you? He just looks
he feels like a twenty twenty five college or high
school or young a young adult. Maybe that plays young,
but why do you care? Like would anybody have, in
(35:16):
a reasonable mind, have an argument that he's a top
five player all time in the NBA? Is there any
reason to argue with that? Again, I'm not saying he's fifth,
I'm not saying he's first. Is there any form of
reasonable argument that could say he's not one of the
top five players all time?
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Dann Byer, No, he's top five for sure.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Okay, so we can all conclude that he's one of
the greatest basketball players ever. If you want to argue
he's the best or the second best, the third best
and fourth best best, like, you can get those arguments.
They get dumb after a while because people dig in
and they want to use any It becomes like politics
and no one can ever like they're just all great
and they're all different, like whatever. Don't care, but lists
(35:58):
are what brings people like lists and controversial takes, and
many people have made a good, healthy living off of
the healthy debate over Lebron or Michael Jordan. I have not.
I don't care. You people have sucked all the fun
out of any sort of real sports discussion, and you've
(36:18):
made it not fun. But the fact that Lebron cares
is just super weird to me, just super weird to me.
I don't think there's anything any other way to put it, Like,
why does Lebron care? If Brian Windhorst somebody on social media,
(36:39):
or even if Windhorse which he didn't say, said himself
like we were really close friends who are high school
teammates or whatever, why does he Why do you care?
You don't have to correct people. You're Lebron James. You
don't have to give context to anything. You're Lebron James, right,
(37:01):
But for some reason he felt the need mid season, which,
by the way, and again I didn't listen to the
entirety of the interview. I listened to more clips, But
was there ever a time when he go where mcfee's like, hey,
how come every March you're injured? Right, It's like every
(37:27):
March he's injured, and every March he does something to
like he needs attention, Like, you don't need attention, You're
Lebron James. Everybody already pays attention. And just the irony
of the whole thing, which with the Steve and A's
doing a tour, is popping on every show like why
are you on Pat McAfee.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Safe place?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Right? I mean, but that's that's the other thing that
he does. It's the reason he wasn't in the dunk contest,
the reason he does the barber shop, which is supposed
to be some open converse sation where it's just a
bunch of guys laughing at his jokes. Well, it's the
same reason that now you're going to announce that JJ
is getting replaced by who's replacing him on the podcast,
Steve Nash. Steve Nash, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
I mean to Dan's point, I think if you want
to have the conversation about why this interview, the interview
doesn't happen unless Lebron asks for it to happen, Like
he fields requests and says no to all of them,
and so he's going to ask to do this. He's
in Annapolis again. I think that kind of rivalry between
(38:38):
McAfee and steven A is a reason for this. And
it's just a strange thing that you know, obviously ESPN
is a rights holder, but you just don't see Lebron
doing these interviews. Ever. He'll he'll like pop on a
set maybe inside the NBA or whatever during an All
(38:58):
Star weekend. But this is such a rare appearance. It
obviously must have been Lebron's doing.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Oh yeah, you know that. I'm sure the stephen A
thing was ticking him off. I think all the conversation
and I'm sure there's a portion of it, a portion
of it where Brony just came off some great G
League game and he wants to do the victory tour.
The f you to everybody run the figure of the air.
But again, even that you don't have to do. You're Lebron, James.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Hell, You've probably also senioron Rodgers be there for the
last three years and not get any pushback to any
question as well.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, so uh okay, So Byer like I'm interested in
your opinion, like does how does Lebron come off? I
guess it's TV and radio looking sounding to you.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I think it's always great to see the star be
in a more comfortable atmosphere, but I also feel like
that the goal, that's what they're trying to sell us,
so there's always some skepticism. It's honestly, it's the same
thing with Tiger Woods. When Tiger Woods would do anything
that was out of the norm, you'd always say, well,
what's the catch, what's the catch here? Because they were
(40:17):
so protective around him with everything that he did. And
I feel like it's that with Lebron, of all right,
what's the catch here?
Speaker 4 (40:25):
What are we trying to do?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I feel your guys analysis and assessment of the stephen
A thing is one hundred percent and fair. I think
that you know it benefits the mcavie show. Obviously, if
Lebron James wants to come on your show, you're going
to say yes, no doubt about it. But yeah, I
feel that it's all It's tough for me to make
it feel one hundred percent genuine but I also don't
(40:50):
think that that interview is done for me. I think
it's done for other people who obviously would like to
consume that sort of Lebron stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Jase dou how do you think he comes up.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
I've always said this. I think Dan can be my
witness for being one of the most famous people in
the world. He seeks out attention when he doesn't need to.
He's going to get enough attention in his life because
he's Lebron James, but he seeks out attention for this stuff.
He wants. He wants to be a part of the conversation.
The problem is he wants to control the variables. He's
(41:31):
not going to go on I don't know sixty minutes.
It's kind of soft now too. But I was trying
to think of an outlet where he would go on,
where he would be asked some tough questions, not only
about basketball and Browny and the lie that the Lakers
told last year when they said that they drafted him
on merit and all that stuff, but some of the
drive by political opinions he's gotten in trouble for. There's
(41:53):
the whole he Diddy association. There's a lot of there's
a lot of ground to cover that would make me happy.
I like that are uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I like confidence Dan would be the guy, right, Dan
would be the guy.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Buyer or Patrick?
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, yeah, No, don't even think of me, Jason, No again,
like he's a moron?
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yeah, I mean no, you don't have to say it
that that like, No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
I don't even get.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Pretty harsh, Sam.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Wouldn't you even say that was pretty harsh by Doug No,
immediately dismissed. No, immediately immediately, No, Dan Bayer, don't be
an idiot, Jason.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Listen, I don't even think I'm again, I know it
would be we could have a legit conversation. I actually
there's just no way he would ever do a sit
down at me ever ever, because again, like we could
have a legitimate basketball But the guy who has the
credibility name uh, can do the mental gymnastics and the
(42:59):
ability to call bull crap is Dan Patrick? Right?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Am I am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (43:07):
I would hope that Dan would I would hope Yeah,
why would he not? I think it's just when when
you get a chance to have somebody a guy like
that on your show. I think a lot of people
go to the deferential thing.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
I know they, I know they do.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I don't think Dan does. I could be wrong. You know,
I don't listen to a show every day anymore, just
because I am working, I do listen to show or
I have it on in my in my office. Uh.
I think he's the one guy. I mean again, if
Colin does the differential thing, right, Colin Colin does. I'm
sure if Colin had Aaron Rodgers on, like, he would
(43:45):
be eating out Aaron Rodgers' lap by the end of it. Dan,
and Dan does it in a way in which you
don't even know what happened, Like, wait, what just happened? Yeah,
he got you to tell us all your childhood secrets
he did. Yeah. Yeah. Rome wouldn't do it. Rome would
be deferential. Uh. Is there anybody else in the sports
(44:07):
media world? I mean, I guess green doesn't even have
a show anymore, does he? Does Greeny have a show anymore?
I don't think he does.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
Not a radio show. Now I'm thinking about one guy.
Maybe you guys can tell me the name. Who is
the guy who did the Princess Diana interview in the
nineties and then he sat down with Michael Jackson. Do
you remember that guy anyway, Martin? Yes, yes, Martin, that's
the kind of interview I want to see.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
No, No, he doesn't know anything about sports.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
I don't really need a sports interview.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
I'll take this, I'll take that. Take that rememb when
they were shopping.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Oh yeah, I was so uncomfortable. I was really uncomfortable
watching that. Does anybody else get that? Like? Just yeah,
why am I so uncomfortable watching this? Really uncomfortable? Yikes? Man,
Martin Bursch here, that's really who you would pick.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
I'm just saying that the style of interview I want
is that, like, no agreed upon topics, let's dive into
this and get uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Does anybody do that?
Speaker 5 (45:16):
That's what I'm trying to think of. I'm trying to
think of the modern day of that person.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah. Well, I mean again, I'd like to be that guy.
I just I'm also very comfortable with the fact that
I'm not seeing at that level. Although Lebron tweeted at me,
so obviously he's paying attention on some level. I think
Dan Patrick's the answer.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
What I think is the interesting portion of it is
as well of like, where's the cutoff of the NBA
star where you start to ask, like if they're in
that realm, Like if shake Gilgess Alexander potential MVP comes on,
do you ask him any tough questions? Is it just
(45:55):
a grab bag sort of thing? I also think that
aspect is interesting. At what point are you just like, Okay,
we just want the name on the show. We don't
care about the content. We just want the name on
the show and the soundbites that they're going to provide,
so we're not going to push back at all on anything.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
At what point do you push back and ask real questions?
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Well, that's the old Derek Cheater interview thing right When
I was at ESPN and Scott Shapiro is our boss.
He knows this because he before he was in charge
of Mike and Mike in the Morning, he was the
producer for Mike and Mike in the Morning, and like
they got everybody right, they got everybody, got all the
best guests. But to the rest of us, you know,
(46:35):
like we're trying to get guests on the on the show.
And there used to be an email that went out
every day and it would have like the guest list
of this guy and producers tried to win the Email
of the Day, and it was one email. It wasn't
like a succession of emails, but it was like, you know,
Dan had these guys, Colin Head, these guys. I would
(46:57):
have guys. There's other shows Mike and Mike. Mike almost
always won the day. But it's one of those interviews
where you're like, oh, uh, do you had Derek Jeter on?
Knowing Derek Jeter was a terrible interview because he wasn't
going to say anything. It was usually very short, but
the only win in it was saying, we had Derek
(47:18):
Jeter on the show. What do he say? I don't
know that matter. Now. Lebron actually said some stuff and
they did sort of go into some topics, but they
were clearly set up topics that he could then go
and punch down on people. I just like, look, man,
you're you're forty years old, you're the all time leaning
(47:41):
scored NBA history, You've won four NBA titles. Your team,
by the way, just traded for one of the biggest
youngest superstars in the game. So if you want to
keep playing, no one keeps telling you not to. You
got a guy who you respect as a friend is
your head coach, You got your son on the team,
You live in Los Angeles, you're building any building a
(48:03):
new place in Beverly Hills, or yeah, I think right,
you moved out of Brent when he's in Beverly Hills,
or they built. I don't know, but by any buddies estimation,
you won, right, you got it. We can argue about
if you're the best, the second best, the third best, whatever,
and drive ourselves crazy of our questions that really don't
(48:24):
have answers, But what's really what did you really win today?
By calling Brian Windhorse weird? Okay, by making fun of
Steven A. Smith, by telling basically saying players in the
seventies and earlier sucked that Giannison Tenacupo would score two
(48:47):
hundred and fifty points. What was the win in that?
And if you're honest with yourself, whether your team Jordan
or Team Lebron, you're a bro? Is that what you said?
If you're a Lebro, If you're honest with yourself, if
you take Lebron off, his name off of it, and
(49:11):
you go like, hey, what if I told you that
a guy has accomplished this? This? This consider the one
of the all time greats. And he went on a
rivals podcast and made fun of somebody else going on
other podcasts, made fun of a guy who's covered him
as a reporter and now it's kind of a quasi analyst.
(49:31):
They grew up together, point out all the other flaws
and other people. What would you say about him? You
would all say, like, boy, that guy has to be
super super insecure or is just a just a douche.
That's there's really no other way to say it. I
(49:53):
That's how it comes across to me, Like I get it, dude,
you're awesome. Everybody's told you're awesome. This is what happens
when you're awesome and everybody tells you're awesome, You just
you just want to pick out the flaws and others
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