November 17, 2025 • 58 mins
On a Monday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Sunday Night Football game between the Eagles and the Lions and all of the questionable play-calling between two of the top teams in the NFL.
In this installment of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew share what they hated or loved most from the weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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great day of Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast live every day.
We're sort of by coastal Midwestern whatever. I'm in Green
Bay there in Sherman, Oas, California. Jay Stew's here, Dan
Byers here, Iowa. Sam is here. We got the entire crew,
Spectacular college football weekend, fun college basketball weekend, and uh yeah,
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what we thought has come true for the most part.
In the NFL, although we still have to have questions
now about the kansasitate Chiefs, and maybe some of those
answers have been answered with the Denver Broncos. Can you
win ugly against the elite teams of the NFL, just
the bottom teams of the NFL? Welcome, Welcome in. I
went to Eagles Packers Monday Night. And that's a little
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bit of a humble brag, but it's also setting for
you context of it, and the context should be that
one of the things I offered up this week and
the questioning Green Bay all week and even yesterday when
the Packers beat the Giants and Jordan Love looked great,
is why were the Packers so conservative on Monday Night?
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And they kept running the football with Josh Jacobs instead
of letting Jordan Love throw the ball. The other takeaway
from Monday Night was having been there, I didn't think
that they utilized that the Eagles utilized AJ Brown at all.
And I'm not an AJ Brown guy, I'm not an
Eagle fan, but for a guy who I think all
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of us deemed to be very, very talented, you would
think that they would use him even as a decoy
or focus upon him and make somebody take him away.
And it wasn't like the Packers didn't pay attention to him,
but it wasn't like they were throwing three guys his
way the way you would with like a Jamar Chase.
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So fast forward to last night, Sunday Night Football where
the Eagles take on the Lions and the Lions. They
couldn't block at all, couldn't block at all, and aj
Brown was the focal point season nine eleven targets was
a big focal point of the Eagles offense. And then
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you have the Lions offense. What went wrong there? I'm
going to start with the Lions offense because again, I
when you're coaching, and quite frankly, when you're calling plays
in coaching, this is something that I'm very well equipped
to talk about. Even though basketball and football are are different,
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there's some similarities. One of the things that's similar and Buyer,
I don't know if you and I have talked about this,
but I pattern what we do offensively after the Kansaity Chiefs.
And here's why. The Kansasity Chiefs. They don't run that
many plays, you know, again to simplify and say they
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run ten plays, but they run all these different formations
in motion so that you're you're trying to guess where
they're going or what they're doing a lot of slight
of hand and then they run power or they run something.
They run these they got their screen game as always exquisite, right, Yeah,
And so there's a million different things, but really it's
like five plays.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Gus Maul's on with Auburn going to the National championship
game against Florida State about twelve years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Same thing.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, yeah, And so yes, there's simplicity and execution, but
there's also the slide of hand where you throw a
bunch of different stuff but you're really keeping it simple.
You just have to have your guys understand the Aha,
it looks different but it's really the same. And then
you know you have to read the defense within it. Well,
I'm the play caller for our team, and you can
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sit there and go like, oh, your record's fine, Like
if you think I'm about it, it's okay. But I
can tell you when I'm watching Dan Campbell, I think
he's a play caller, but I think he's calling plays
for somebody else's offense. And there's also a lack of
kind of rhythm to it. And and I'm not perfect
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with it. Okay, I've done it only AU level and
then the college level for a year, and I've helped
out other people. But if you like the way the
basketball player and football player's brain works is things have
to kind of make sense right. And I feel like
when I'm watching the Lions. He has as a group
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of plays that he likes based upon personnels and oh,
they're playing this, we're going to do this, If this,
then that, which is great, but there's no kind of
rhythm to it. Whereas the best of the best, the
Kyle Shanahan's of the world, they have a rhythm and
a reason what they're getting to and it may not
it may be a build up of Hey, we're running
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this now, so in the second half, we're going to
get the same look and we're going to have an
exposive play and it would be open. Whereas the Lions,
it's like they're just trying to win every play and
it doesn't feel like that works. So there's a culmination
of things that happened last night. So here's Jalen Brown
asked about AJ Brown getting more targets than usual in
the game, including one in which he quit on the
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play late.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, just going with the flow of the game and
how it was called and trying to go out there
and ext QT.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
So it wasn't like an effort to get him football.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And may be a KP question, KP being his offensive coordinator.
Here's Nick Siryani about AJ Brown get more involve.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
We're always trying to get Aj involved, always, always, always, always,
And the game play is played differently each and every
week of what happens. So I think I don't think
I've been shy about saying this. The game plan is
always going to start in the passing game with him
and Davante and in Dallas, and so we're always trying
to do that and get him the football. And that's
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the way play game played out a little bit today.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Can I just point out Dan that Sirianni did it again?
Going forward on fourth down with three minutes to go
in your own territory is just dumb.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, that one, It's just dumb.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Like listen, and and I get it. You like you
go like, oh, you won five games as a coach. Yeah,
And I know that there's no possibly when your defense
is completely and utterly dominating the game and it's a
two score game, all you gotta do is punt the football.
And if they want to score, fine, then they got
to find a way to get the ball back and
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get to get instead. You know, the Lions could do
nothing and end up settling for a field goal. Could
have kicked the field goal right away, Yes, you know,
if not for a winning night and then had tons
of time to get a stop and maybe maybe even
you know, have given up a couple first downs. They
you know, they they had plenty of opportunities and it
was gifted to them by going forward. And it's the
second straight week he's done it, second straight week and
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they've won both games. It does not make the process correct, right,
I mean, like, I'm not anti Nick Seriani. I'm not
sitting here trying to like, you know, if you want
to find a flall with a coach, you can find one.
I'm just telling you, like, there's no reason. There was
no reason last week, with like two twenty five to
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go for them to throw the ball on second down. None,
you run the ball, get it to the two minute warning,
and then every play after that they got to call timeouts, right,
everybody knows that. And the Packers would have used there
to outs on the other side of the two minute warning,
so again, mission would have been accomplished. But the Packers
got the ball back, had plenty of time. They actually
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got it back a second another time, right, That's how
much time he left on it. It's like he wants
the game to be close. And I know he doesn't,
but that's how bad those decisions were.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I felt it was a unifying time in America that
outside of Eagles and Packers and maybe Bears fans, that
everybody was so happy that the Lions not only stopped
the Eagles, it was on a tush push play. Like,
not only was it a stupid play to even go
for it in that scenario, but it happened on a
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tush push play where you could say, what are you doing?
So someone stopped it, and they did it in a
ridiculously advantageous situation for that team and against the Eagles.
I had no idea what he was doing, and then
the camera immediately pans to him. I mean, we heard
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that the AJ Brown pass was called by Hurts and
Brown in Green Bay on Monday night, but this was
just this was atrocious.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, all of it's bad. It just it doesn't make
any sense. Like you're it'd be one thing if you're like, well,
it's like the Colts back when they had Peyton Manning,
like you know what, let's put the ball in our
best player's hands and let's let him get a first down.
The same thing with Tom Brady. And this is not
to take as it takes a little shot at Jalen Hurts,
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but nobody would say that Jalen hurts. And it's not
like you haven't Jalen Hurts passed. You're going to touch
push which has been highly highly successful. Your defense for
the second straight week has been absolutely thoroughly and completely
physically dominant over the opponent. The Lions could not block
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you at all, and you're like gifting them that kind
of field position when they got to score twice. That
makes no sense to me at all, no sense. But
the Eagles do what they They overcome what I think
is additional chances brought on by an overly aggressive offensive
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play call. And oh yeah, by the way, the Lions
they got stopped five times on fourth down five times,
five times. Everybody wants their play call or be aggressive
until five times he doesn't get it on fourth down,
And oh yeah, by the way, the Eagles were also
helped out by just an atrocious defensive pass interference. So
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the Lions kick a field goal, have a chance to
get a stop. Then on third down, what would have
if it play had just gone incomplete, they would have
gotten the ball back with time to come down score
a touchdown. Probably wouldn't have done it because their offensive
line could not block the Lions. But think a listener
(11:02):
Chris Collinsworth and his reaction to the penalty call. Oh,
come on, come on, that is terrible.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
That is an absolutely terrible call that it's going to
decide just football down.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
If anything, it's an offensive push. Yeah, it wasn't an
offensive push on aj Brown. It wasn't a defensive passer
fits on Rockinson. It was a terrible call. I don't
know if it It didn't decide the game, but it
sealed the game, right, It didn't decide the game, It
sealed the game. The Eagles were the better football team.
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They kicked the Lions ass. Forget about the final score.
But that was a terrible call to end that game. Awful.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Well Butt, you do got leap show Fox Sports Radio.
Having a great day. It's a Monday, which means we
got Monday Night Football to preview, We got Sunday to
look back on. We do the whole gamuty here on
the DG Show. Monday Night Football preview upcoming. Plus you
got the spitting incident back into left back and to
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left back and to left Dan Byer's here. You can
hear him on his podcast. I want your flex. You
can download my All Ball podcast. Plus you have the
podcast for this show. You get the two hour live
radio show Plush. We have a special podcast only hour
for you. Just download wherever you download podcast. I was
Sam with the Ones and Tues and Jay Stu. I'm
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gonna I'm gonna give you a quick shout out. Two
of the coaches the University of Minnesota's basketball team cornered
before the game and they were like, hey, we love
your podcast, and I was like, well thanks. I did
an All Ball with Nico Medved, Minnesota's head coach, the
night before the game. We dropped him before the game wherever.
It was like, yeah, it was nice of Deco's like, no, no, no, no,
(13:01):
we like All Ball because you see we like in
the bonus because you guys say whatever the hell you
really want to say on in the bonus. He's like
that Jay Stew guy, I love him. So you got
some love there from some Minnesota basketball coaches.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
So these are two assistant coaches with Minnesota. Yes, they've
got great taste.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I know that.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
First and foremost. I don't know if they can coach
a wick, but they got great taste. And yeah, just
to tell the listeners who haven't tuned in the end
the Bonus Podcast, you're gonna hear some like pretty razy stuff,
like stuff that pushes the envelope. We go right up
to the line. Sometimes we dance over the line. Some
things you just can't do on public radio. So it's
a good time.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think sometime at some point, Jay, you
gotta be clothed when you do it. That'd be a
little bit more acceptable. We do this every Monday. It's
a great way of recapping what we were hot on
over the weekend. It's called love and hate? What did
you God?
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I love you and what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Meet these player hays uh love blah blah blah blah
love Hey, heydayayay, heyt what'd you love for the weekend?
What'd you hate for the weekend? Damn byer start with you?
What'd you love?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Nothing like a good restaurant recommendation and hot chicken is
all the craze here. And last week we were having
a conversation in studio and Iowa Sam says, yeah, you
should try this place that just opened up the street.
I'm always open to a new hot chicken place.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Sam. I tested it out on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
The medium a little spicier than I would have hoped,
but I wanted to try them mild, just to see
how it compares. So I loved a good recommendation from
Iowa Sam okay good.
Speaker 8 (14:49):
So that makes me happy.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
This establishment has a location up near Jason Stewart to myself,
actually closer to where Jason lives. Doug, you know where
that is, because you've been to his place, not to mine,
but it would be closer to Jason's place. The uh,
the establishment, So maybe we'll have to we'll have to
try it up.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
There, he had he had.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I get it, Hey, man, I get it, Doug, I
totally get it. It's uh, we're a little bit too
far north, you know, we're like right at that line,
because then you're you're out of you're out.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Of l A. I get hey, can I can I
do a lit humma break speaking a chicken out hot chicken?
But that's great? My you guys ever get your you
know your when your clockets all screwed up because you
stayed up too late, you know, like we we got
into four in the morning and then I slept to eleven.
So like last night, I wasn't tired, wasn't tired. So
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late at night I went down in the air fire.
I threw in some some uh chicken strips, and I
mixed Chick fil a sauce with some siracha mao. I mean,
if if food was jewelry, you would have thought I was.
I had like the perfect diamonds. I'm texting and calling
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everybody lately and I did not I save you guys
the the weird text. But I was like, I just
ate the greatest thing in my life. Anyway, late night eates,
do you want to give the Hot Chicken place a
shout out?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
No, I don't. I just want to just say what
that it was. It was a good recommendation. Iowa Sam
gave me the approval that he had had it previously.
So I said yesterday because I was. I was at
Fox Sports Radio a bunch yesterday and I said, all right,
for the lunch, that's what I'll That's what I'll do.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So was a chicken sandwich or chicken strip?
Speaker 9 (16:43):
I just went strips. I didn't go with the sandwich.
I did the sandwich. Did you the pickles and the coleslaw?
And did you try their sauce.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That they gave you.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't like sauce. Oh right, yeah, okay, yeah, I
don't like pickles or sauce. Just give me the heat
and the fries and I'm good.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
It's always it's always fun.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
When a new place opens up around here, we can
always go, you know, the same places, so get tired
of you know.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, there's a place that's that's that's popular that I
think is kind of mid but it's just easily accessible,
so it ends up getting business.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But yep, I know what that place is. Let's get
to Jason Stewart some mean left on the weekend.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
This really caught my eye and I love it only
because it shows just how ridiculous our president is. And
I mean the president of the United States, I don't
mean the president. At premiere, Donald Trump was on a
plane and he had the world's greatest MRI.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I understand that the results were what was it for?
Speaker 10 (17:41):
Because it's part of my physical Getting an MRI is
very certain. Why you think I shouldn't have it?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Other people to got it? I had an MRI? Is
I had an MRI.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
The doctor said it was the best result he has
ever seen as a doctor.
Speaker 11 (17:58):
That's it.
Speaker 10 (17:59):
But I had an MRI as part of my standard
every year and the result was outstanding. You know, I
have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed,
they analyzed.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
My super hot girlfriend Christina and I just sat up
laughing at the sound bite. And I think it's my
favorite one. Since he's eating the dogs. They're eating the dogs.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Eat the dogs, eating the cats.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
So many, so many things that were funny about this.
Maybe the funniest is that he had no idea what
his MRI was taking imaging of and then he said.
The doctor says, he's never seen a better MRI as
a doctor, and I'm wondering, So what did the doctor
do before he was a doctor. Was he a janitor
or a mechanic? And he saw better MRIs? And then
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MRIs I always thought were pretty like black or white.
You either either confirmed you have some thing or ninety
nine percent of them confirm you.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Don't have something. I don't.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
I don't know what makes an MRI great, but that
was that was wonderful entertainment this weekend. Thank you to
the President of the United States.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
It's like, all timer, It's like looking at the scene
of an accident, crash site. You're like, oh, it's the
best crash scene I've ever seen, best collision I've ever
seen nothing, get nothing beats this one.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I'm crying, Okay, Sammy yours.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Well, it was a consecutive miserable sports week for me.
But do you guys, maybe you remember over this summer
I was talking about my cousin Adam, who's a very
proud sports dad.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
His son Adlai is a kicker at Washington State.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Now well, his younger son, Henry helped his two state
Class two way state.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
What am I trying to say?
Speaker 9 (19:47):
Your Class two way Van Meter Bulldogs to the state
championship game appearance next week?
Speaker 8 (19:53):
That was nice. He's a very proud sports dad.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Henry's the quarterback for the Van Meter Bulldogs there in
Van Meter, Iowa, and they will play Kemper Catholic, who's undefeated.
So Adam just can't can't stop brimming with pride being
the proud sports dad as yet another son doing big things.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Go Henry, go Bulldogs. I have a question about that. Yeah,
So the to let the listeners in on the group
chat this weekend. Sam basically said what he just said
in the group chat, and I sarcastically said, yeah, I
saw that on the National News. Yes, and then I
provided a very doctorate gift that was very obvious and
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it was a hack job.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Oh, it was so good.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
And then Bayer said he did see it on the
National News and he provided his own gift. I guess
the question to Sam is this, Yeah, did you think
Damn Bayer's gift was real?
Speaker 9 (20:49):
It was a It was a still shot, a screen grab,
a screen capture.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
No, up in the corner, it's I was playing into.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
All of this.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
You know, I have a very sarcastic, dry sense of humor.
When I too, I saw up in the corner it
said create your own news dot com. So this was
like uploaded by some fan. It looked very professional. Thank
you very much. Thank you for that, Dan, I did
give you credit on Twitter for that. Yeah, but major
news outlet, Major news outlet uploaded it looked yeah, thank
(21:19):
you very much, and they're going with the alternative name
for Henry Hank you very much.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
I loved it.
Speaker 9 (21:24):
Henry looks awesome. Was that him in the picture? Yeah,
Number thirteen The quarterback perfect. So it looked very professional,
very proud of Henry and all those lounds berriers going
out and doing big thing, big things on the grid iron.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
But I think that the question is Sam, when they
were kind of poking and teasing fun, Yeah, did you
think for a second maybe I shouldn't share this as
a story?
Speaker 8 (21:47):
No, No, I know Jason was joking, Like ibably knew.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Jason was joking. But then when you tweeted it, I
was petrified. I was mortified.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
You really think I saw this on CNN or something.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I so hope that you didn't think it was real,
because you did take your family and I thought, oh, no,
I don't have the heart to tell him that I
made this up. And then I I didn't have the
guts to even bring it up to you that I
thought it would just go away into the ether and
that I would just never know when I was happy
with that. I'm actually happier with this result that you
knew that that Jake Tapper did not break in uh
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to CNN or Anderson Cooper to say that Van Meter
is onto the title game. But I wasn't sure because
of the tweet. I didn't texted Jason separately, I'd be like,
does Sam know that this is fake? So I'm relieved,
let me hold on.
Speaker 9 (22:37):
I just wanted to say, though, no, I listen, I dan.
I was trying to do a little winking and nod
in a joke and also share the news. It was
I was trying to kill two birds with on stone,
but of course I was. I was playing with you guys.
Come on, I have a.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Did you have you guys seen the It's a gift
for a screen grab. Where so Bronnie James got to
start for the Lakers on Saturday night against the Bucks,
and the Lakers won, and it was the same day
that Lebron was assigned to the G League. Right, so
there's that Bronni is starting for Lakers and Lebron's in
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the G League. But Bronni didn't score a point in
his start. And so somebody put career high twenty six
chest passes, career high nine streams set seven minutes in
the corner. So it looks like twenty six, nine and seven,
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and it's really twenty six chess passes, nine screen set,
seven minutes in the corner. I love it. Let's get
to what we hated from the weekend. Let's start with
our resident Oh we got breaking news, breaking news with
Dan Byer, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Didn't breaking news from Fox Sports Doug.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
A report from ESPN says that Virginia Tech in former
Penn State head coach James frank Glinn have agreed the
terms on a contract that will make him the next
head coach of the Hokies football program.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
That's amazing. I mean when you think about it, at
the start of the year, when they first made the
coaching change, you would have thought it'd probably be Shane Beemer,
and then Shane Biemer South Carolina team's had a disappointing year.
Then they're up thirty to three at the half against
A and M. You're like, oh, here we go Beamer
ball and they lose thirty one thirty. But James Franklin, like, look,
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if he can get Virginia Tech to where Penn State
has been, then that would be amazing. The ACC has
no chance of being viewed as a, you know, one
of the three big conferences until Florida State, Clemson, Virginia
Tech are back to where they should be among college
football's elite, and Franklin has built he may not have
(24:53):
been able to conquer, but he has built. Let's get
to what we hated from the weekend. Here's Jason Stewart.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Hey, Doug, you guys all watch the same game I did,
right You guys watched the Chiefs and Eagles, and I'm
sorry Chiefs, Broncos and the Eagles Lions.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Okay, So if.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
You think about it, each of those teams, the Eagles
and the Broncos are the best representation of their conferences
right now. And I said a week ago in this
segment that I want the Broncos to go to the
Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl because maybe at
some point that'll be the telling sign to the Commissioner
of Football that we need to do something about this product.
(25:38):
Because the Broncos are a poor representation of our best team.
I would make the same case for the Eagles. I
don't know if you guys suffered through this as much
as I did, or maybe I'm just maybe too keenly
looking at this stuff. But with the Eagles playing the
Packers on one off game last week, the Eagles playing
last night, it is a dreadful watch. It's awful. I
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didn't see many like great plays of athleticism. I didn't
see any creativity. It's like NFL teams are playing in mud,
like literally figuratively yesterday in mud, and you're sitting there
watching the game and you have to look at your
phone because it's not riveting. There's nothing compelling. And then
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for the game to end on that DPI by the
Lions player and to hear Collinsworth say this out loud.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Oh, come on, come on, that is terrible.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
That is an absolutely terrible call that it's going to
decide this football game.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
If anything, it's an offensive pleash.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
I thought that was pretty pointed for a guy on
a rights holder like NBC to say it. And then
I saw somebody from NFL media and I can't remember who,
maybe like Greg Rosenthal or something, and he summed it
up perfectly. A terrible call to end a terrible game.
And that's how we all felt as viewers. That was
(27:10):
a horrible game to watch see. And if the Eagles
and the Chiefs are the Eagles and the Broncos are
the best representation of each conference, the NFL has a problem.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
Yeah, the Eagles offense is hard on your mental health.
If you're watching that, it's it's just hard. It's a
hard watch. It's not good looking offense. It's not good
looking football. And yeah, that call was weak week that
game was back to back here, Packers, Eagles, Eagles, Lions.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Those are tough watches.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yep, yep. What about you, Dan Barrson, you hate it
from the weekend, Doug.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I hate that I was right. I hate that nobody's
talking about how I was right. The Seahawks lost to
the Rams yesterday, and some would say on a sixty
one yard field goal that was missed by Jason Myers.
So I might say that right. Ernest Jones may tell
me to bleep off. But Sam Donald threw four interceptions yesterday.
(28:07):
The Seahawks lead the NFL in turnovers, something that I
have talked about now for weeks on Fox Sports Radio,
whether it be here on the dou Gottlieb Show, whether
it be with Carrie Rhodes on End Zone Radio every Sunday,
whether it be with Mike Harmon on the I Want
Your Flex Podcast. I was shouting from the mountaintops, Doug.
They have got to stop the turnovers. Donald threw again
(28:30):
four interceptions yesterday. That's ten on the season to go
along with his five fumbles. That's fifteen. He has fifteen
of the team's twenty turnovers this season. By the way,
twenty turnovers through eleven weeks of the season when you've
had a bye not good. He's seventy five percent of
their turnovers. Best in the NFL. OH they outplayed the
(28:56):
Rams yesterday. They did statistically in every facet except making
good plays and making bad plays. They were unable to
do it and that is very frustrating. As the Seahawks,
I think.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
It was the Tuesday morning quarterback when you said on
this show and correct me which one I'm getting wrong here?
You either said that the Seahawks loss in the eventual
playoffs will come because of Donald's interception or you said
their loss to the Rams on Sunday will be because
of a Donald interception. Which one was it? But you
(29:29):
did call it.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I've just said and specifically, and if they lose, it
would probably be because of turnovers.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And it just was completely it was frustrating, just frustrating
to see it happen again and again and they still
almost pulled it out. And that's what people don't see.
I was even asked about I was on in yesterday.
I was on with Brian no and Bill Krackenberger and
Jeff Schwartz on Countdown to Kickoff. This is my little
(30:01):
bit of analysis.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
Dan Byer with us, how about this?
Speaker 12 (30:04):
Now?
Speaker 9 (30:04):
Do you believe this what Cracks saying about the fools
gold Seahawks?
Speaker 8 (30:08):
If you will, Dan, or you signed off on that show.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You know, I may be a little biased. I think
that the real deal, that they are the real deal. However,
I think the Rams are the best team in football
right now. So that's what's going to make today very,
very fun. And then I think I said something about
the Seahawks turning the football over. But anyway, I've been
saying it for weeks. I've been saying it for weeks,
and it happened yesterday, Doug, and it took me off.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That's what I hated. Four turnovers.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
You had been saying it, and you were right. Let's
get to Iowa, was.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
Him, Well, this disappointing season of Hawkeye heartbreak continues. I
was sitting cozily in my living room watching Iowa take
on USC and they found a way to lose. This
is just like you know, it's a script flip from
(31:00):
last week. Last week they were down fifteen to seven
to Oregon. They came up and they got it, had
sixteen fifteen, only to lose on a last second field goal.
This week, Iowa gets out to a twenty one to
seven lead. Mark Gronowski, quarterback for Iowa, throws a touchdown,
he runs for a touchdown, and he catches a touchdown.
They look incredible on offense twenty one to seven, and
then Iowa would not score a point after that and
(31:20):
they would lose twenty six twenty one. So this futility,
going back to twenty twenty one of not beating ranked teams,
it just seems like this endless nightmare. Iowa good but
not great right there, but not.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Cross Lincoln Riley's celebration. Do you like that?
Speaker 8 (31:38):
So an Iowa assistant, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (31:41):
He walked onto the field or did something to draw
a penalty flag and that sealed the game, and Lincoln
Riley was loving it, jumping up and down on the sidelines,
hugging his guys and yeah whatever, I mean, I just
at that point.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I was just disgusted.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
I was just like, jeez, just yeah, go eight and
four again with no meaningful wins and yet another season.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
So that's my hate.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So you resigned to Iowa football. That's why we're Iowa,
I mean are.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
You can pretty much sum up all of Iowa's main
sports men's basketball, women's basketball, and football just good but
not great, not championship level, and that's just been like
that for pretty much forty years.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
They were in a trick play.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
I loved it, and then and then the second half
it was just all U see and they got some
great Makai Lemon, they got their quarterbacks really good, they
got some good players, but Iowa couldn't score after that.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
It's very disappointing.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Mine is love and hate. It all happened in once
My My Green Bay Phoenix played their absolute hearts out
and were able to make some shots and send the
game to overtime. Nearly lost in regulation on a mid
court shot after you know, scored with two seconds ago,
(33:00):
so it throws it in. It was just after the buzzer.
But here's what I hate. I hate replay rules where
you can only I can't challenge foul calls, and I
can only challenge things that are you know, inbounds, out
of bounds, whatever, if they've been called goaltend, if it's
been called like we're gonna have replay, let us use replay.
(33:24):
If we don't have replay, then don't let us use replay.
The partial use of it plus the pace of it.
Because basketball is such a quick game that you literally,
without any sort of knowledge, you see something, if it's
in live game action at that very moment, you have
to use a replay, and it's a time out if
you don't get it right. I just don't like the
replay rules. I don't mind using the timeout. I don't
(33:45):
mind only have one challenge, but if I can challenge some,
I can be able to challenge some goaltend foul, no foul,
out of bounds, substitution, being wrong, travel anything. I shabeldes.
I hate three play rules.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
That graphic you sent us was cold about Bronny.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Isn't that funny?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Seven minutes in the corners?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Just so funny? So funny, and that's loving hate.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
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Speaker 1 (34:14):
App Stuck gotleip show. You listen to Fox Sports Radio
so uh Shore Sanders got to play. It wasn't very good.
It wasn't very good.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Here's Shore Sanders talking about his first naps in the
NFL game.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
First and foremost one to thank God from giving me
the opportunity to get out there. That's all you could
ask for, honestly, the chance to get out there, get
your feet wet, to experience how it feels, you know,
to even be out there with the team. We have
the first group with everybody, so I'm truly he was excited.
(34:58):
It was a rough day overall, but the thing that
I was excited about is just being able to get
out there.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
It's the first time I got hit like since since
my last game at Colorado. So just having that feeling back,
you know, is good.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yep, no, I get it. It is good. It's definitely good.
He was four of sixteen through a bad pick, looked overwhelmed.
Here's Rex Ryan on ESPN earlier today commenting on Shador
(35:36):
and what he was doing after the game.
Speaker 12 (35:39):
He's got to get over himself too, like you like,
he's there by himself on the bench at the end
of the game. I've never seen I've seen it in
the seventh game of World Series when you lose a
game or whatever. This is a game. Is a pillow
fight game. Nobody cares? He cares back, Yeah, did he care?
Or you trying to make it a show? Make it
about yourself. You've got a guy over there that, by
(36:00):
the way, is a two time MVP. Right there, Lamar Jackson,
he was looking for you. He was looking for you
right there. Why didn't share a moment with him? All right?
All right, share a moment with Lamar. He looking all
over for you. They get in there with your teammates.
These are your teammates, all right, These are your teammates,
and talk about I'm not comfortable losing. You think anybody
(36:22):
in that locker room is they better not be?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah? I just I don't know, Like, look we maybe
I compartmentalize things better than other people. Okay, I didn't
like to watch ACT. I definitely knew, you know why
he didn't get drafted. I didn't think it was a
(36:47):
crime against humanity that he fell in the draft or
the whole ACT or trying to determine and many things
he said. But what you can't do, or I don't
think you can do, is factor in those things, even
in the preseason or whatever. You know. The the miming
answers and just let's just take yesterday. Okay, he was bad,
(37:10):
it was awful, It looked it was kind of sad
to watch. Okay, but after the game in when you
play your first NFL game and you don't play well
and you're just sitting there and it happens really, really fast.
I'm sure he's sitting there with his helmet in his hand.
He's listening, or he's got his helmet on, he's listen
all the play calls. Honest, Sden, you're in and you're like,
I've waited my whole life, and then you get in
(37:33):
there and you're terrible and your team loses again. It
comes at you really fast and you need it a minute.
I'm not holding that against him, nor will I sit
here and say definably, this is who he is as
an NFL quarterback. I've never been so infatued with Shador
(37:55):
Sanders that I wanted to claim racism or the things
that everyone's against him or whatever. What I can tell
you is, when you're a coach of somebody at his age,
and I coach people at his age, I have a
player who right now, if you saw him play like
he is not a very good basketball player. Why would
you have recurred him a sign him? And yet everybody
(38:18):
wanted him, me especially and my old staff were like,
he didn't play this way. It's just confidence can be
shattered and hard to rebuild. And that process of trying
to win a game while a player you're playing is
trying to regain his confidence or gain his footing, it
(38:41):
can be a very very difficult process. So this may
surprise you, but I'm going to tell you it's not
the end of the world or the end. I've never
been a Shador is the greatest. He's got to be
out there. He's got his flaws, he holds them all
too long. He doesn't have a super strong arm. He
is really accurate. He's he's mobile ish, but he's People
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think because he's Dion's son that he's that type of athlete.
He's not. But he does have clever mobility in the pocket.
And he was awful. He was bad. It wasn't good.
But he'll get more opportunities and either he gets better
and he'll get more or he plays this way and
(39:24):
we won't see him much longer in the NFL. Is
that two matter of fact? Dan Byer, should I bring
in the baggage of his actions and people acting like
he should have been the number one overall pick and whatever,
and and and this is the in your face he stinks,
Like I thought, he played poorly, but again, we've seen
(39:45):
lots of quarterbacks come in cold first start and not
play well. Again, I'm not I'm not gonna be crazy
and over wreck, but I could be wrong, and it
could not go in line with how much we've talked
about him previously.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah, I think that that's fair.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I don't know how you could expect anything from him,
to be honest, considering the lack of practice snaps that
he got with the first team. I don't know how
anybody succeeds in that situation. Maybe a fifteen year veteran
can come in and it's no problem, but for someone
who's a rookie in the National Football League, there's no
way that they could succeed. He had what four completions.
(40:22):
One of the incompletions, if I mean, if it's just
a little bit more on target, they maybe score a
touchdown and tie the game. So I would take the
positives from that throw. But to answer your question, I
think you're doing the right thing because I didn't realize
it until it was pointed out that he didn't shake
hands and didn't go off in talk with Lamar Jackson.
(40:46):
And I do think that that stuff is weird. So
you're doing a much better job of separating what you
think than what I am.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I'll just again, and maybe I'm personalizing too much. And
I understand if people think it's not the same or
you don't care. Whatever. Thursday night, we go to play
Saint Thomas. I'm friends with Johnny Tower. He's the coach.
He's a great guy. He's kind of a mentoring you know.
I think he's got a doctorate whatever. He's brilliant dude.
So we play poorly. I have a player suffer a
(41:16):
gruesome injury and after the game, like I just I want,
I have to go to the hospital. And two, I'm
just trying to figure out my team and my own job.
And so even sent me a text checking in on
the kid that was hurt. And I was a little
short with him for talk with him yesterday, and again
I know that's not how he normally would be, but
the context of the situation, which we played poorly, I
(41:39):
was upset and I was trying to kind of get
my balance and then trying to figure out what I
need to do protocol with this kid, how to manage
my own emotions with that deal. Right, So the point
is maybe I've built in more empathy than I should.
But I do know that. Guys. You have a player's
(42:00):
name's Justin Allen, and we'll talk about the sum in
the pod. He was a star in Division three, star
twenty six points a game, Carnegie Mellon. So we play
against Bradley in an exhibition and Dan, he was just
so nervous, so nervous. And then we played Kansas and like,
you know, you got to think to yourself, like you've
(42:21):
been playing at a slightly above average When I'm saying
about average, I'm talking about the actual basketball team, not
the school, slightly above average Division three school, and now
you're playing at Kansas, right. And so for me, like
I walk in and you know, like I think my
team and my players and how I coach, Like I've
been through all this stuff as a player and a broadcaster,
(42:42):
so it doesn't overwhelm me, so I don't I struggle
to relate to it. But the kid was shook up,
Like they're shook because they've been waiting their whole lives.
They get an opportunity, and then they think they failed
and they let the world down, and it literally takes
them like two three weeks to get their confidence back,
and sometimes they don't ever get it back. And so
for Shador, my thing is when you've been the guy
(43:05):
playing for your memory, played for his dad his whole life,
and then all of a sudden, now he's had to
battle and yet not getting first team reps whatever, and
he's not helping the situation. I'm not denying that, but
you go to that, to being kind of thrust into
a game first time ever and then you don't play well,
it's a shot at your ego, there's no question about.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
It, and I am I'm much higher on how he
did play, considering the circumstances, Like I don't four of
sixteen is not great. Obviously, JJ McCarthy was one hopping
passes to receivers yesterday and we're still.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Not talking about him as much.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Sure, so like there's I think that for the couple
of throws that I saw Shador make that I thought
were really good, I was impressed, But remember last year,
the year before he was there to be at the
handshake with Dion and Jay Norvell against Colorado State. It
was sure to be at that handshake.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
No question. Yeah, suddenly disappears. I get it, I get it.
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Speaker 7 (44:30):
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Speaker 9 (44:31):
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Speaker 1 (44:35):
Oh, what a creative call.
Speaker 7 (44:38):
And Mark Andrews goes from the push push to the
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Speaker 1 (44:43):
Now the Ravens have the lead that helped my fantasy
team as well, the fake bush pus, fake bush push
counter where Mark Andrews runs it in for a touchdown.
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It's a Monday. That means we get to catch up
with former GM of the Chargers for eleven years and
the Raiders last year. He's a friend of Doug, a
(45:05):
friend of the program. He's Tom Telasco. He joins us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
start off with the most discussed fifth round pick, potentially
fourth string quarterback in the history of the universe. Obviously,
the stats look bad, but what were your thoughts as
a GM watching Shador Sanders and villain duty yesterday.
Speaker 11 (45:27):
Yeah, I'm sure there'll be no irrational rants or analysis
of Shadur Sanders performance today, but just for contact, the
first thing I thought of was Jumper Herbert's first appearance
with his rookie year, because if you remember, I'm sure
you do, Like he didn't known till thirty seconds before
kickoff he was going to be playing in that game.
And this is week two of the season. He had
(45:47):
taken probably no first team reps Week one or two.
He maybe took a couple in training camp, but not
a lot. And this was during COVID, so there are
no preseason games. So his teammates and coaches literally had
never seen him play live until at first drive against
the Chiefs, So it's not unusual for a backup quarterback
not to have a lot of work during the week.
(46:07):
That's normal, and I mean it shows. I mean he
got in the game and Baltimore has an excellent defense,
they're smart, they brought a lot of pressure against them,
and he did what he could. I think this is
gonna work out perfect for Cleveland because now he'll get
a full week of practice and they're gonna get a
glimpse of what maybe he can do, so they can
kind of see what they have for the future. But realistically,
(46:29):
it doesn't matter at quarterback for Cleveland, whether it's Flaco,
whether it's still in Gabriel, whether it's Trador, whether it's
the legendary Bernie Kosar. Their offense just doesn't have an
infrastructure right now on the offensive line at the still
positions to be competitive yet, so they will in the future.
They have a lot of AMMO. They had an awesome
draft last year, but right now there just isn't enough
(46:51):
on offense around no matter who the quarterback is right
now to be productive.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
I get that completely. Of course, there's no room for
rational analysis of this. But in our most rational sense, right,
you have to watch for traits or things that you
can grow on or if the he just doesn't have
it right. Granted, limited sample size, no worktime with the
first group, and the first group isn't that good. But
(47:17):
I mean, obviously you're gonna get more reps and a
deeper look. But with half a game in what do
you think.
Speaker 11 (47:27):
He showed a couple of throws which you saw in
college that piques your interests, Like, he can stand in
the pocket, you can stand tall, he can deliver, he's
got a strong arm. He saw that on the one
deep dig to Fan and it was a great throw.
But you also saw the same thing as so on
college that he's gonna have to work out of is
the holding out of the football in the pocket. They're
(47:47):
trying to back out the backside of the pocket, which
is almost impossible for any any quarterback to do unless
you're Mahomes. Now, there were some snaps yesterday that he
really could not step up because there's so much pressure
coming in the middle. But he does have that that
trait that has to improve as far as being able
to in a normal pocket, be able to step up
against the pressure and not bail out the back end.
(48:09):
But that's going to take some time. It takes practice,
it takes development. But you did see some throw yesterday
that you know there's a reason why he was a
highly productive college quarterbacks. You have to keep building on that.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Okay, let's let's discuss the Lions and their offense. It's
just a disaster last night against the Eagles. It's interesting though,
because here in Green Bay, you know, the entire week
is Matt Laflour is so conservative. What is Matt Lafoor doing.
You gotta let Jordan Love throw the football, and of
(48:42):
course he does against the Giants and look straat. But
then you see that same Eagles defense when the Lions
try and throw it, and you know you got no
time at all for Jered golf none. So again, my
thing is how much of this last two weeks is
really the Eagles defense as much as the offense is
that they're going against.
Speaker 11 (49:02):
That's a great point, Doug. I was just looking at
the Eagles defense. They did not start off the year well,
but they've kind of progressed and improved. And every year
is a different year, so you got to try and
figure out what are we this year? And you saw
the last two weeks. That's that's what they are. I mean,
the their their defensive front is very very difficult to
play against. And and it and it helps when you
(49:23):
play the Lions right now, the Lions. This is not
the same offensive line the Lions had last year. So
their interior, two guards and center are either new players
or a player that's been moved. And it showed up
last night. The Philly front just dominated them. And it
just felt like from a Detroit offense point of view,
And this is very subjective, but it just felt like
they were calling plays but not really running an offense.
(49:46):
If that makes any offense just no, there's.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
There's there's there's a rhythm to it. There's a there's
a rhythm to it. Yeah, so I'll give you, let
me give let me give you the basketball. I completely
see it. Honestly, most times I would say, ah, but
I paid it because you know, it's one of the
things that that I've run into as a coach, which
is you know I've I did last year, I did
everything with the offense, you know, and called all the
(50:10):
plays this year. I have a really really accomplished coach
helping me with the offense. But I have there's a
rhythm to how I believe it should should play out.
You know, we run a bunch of our sets in
the first half, and I'm looking for how they're guarding it,
so we have different counters for when we need a
bucket in the second half. But again it's it's the
the best of the best play callers. They have a
(50:32):
there's a rhythm and a feeling to it, and they
know how to get everybody involved and how to how
to you know, go north, go go north south for
a bunch of the game, only say you go east west.
I feel like that's that's where Dan Campbell, that's where
it's missing, where he's There's nothing wrong with the plays
that he's calling, but the execution and timing and overall
(50:52):
rhythm of it is is very off.
Speaker 11 (50:55):
I see the exact same thing, and we haven't seen
golf play like that in years, and certainly and played
like that with the Lions, where he just I mean
he couldn't get the ball out. He's dirting the ball,
take the weather out of it. But there was just
no rhythm or feel to it. And there's too much
talent at the skilled positions there to play like that.
So obviously they made the offensive coordinator change. I thought
(51:17):
they were doing okay early in the year. I thought
it would take some time with the new coordinator to
really get their identity. It doesn't happen overnight. But I
also trust Dan Campbell because he's shown that he has
a good pulse to their football team. But it's just
it didn't look right last night. I think the offensive
line had something to do with that, and the Eagles
had a lot to do with that, but there was
just no fueler rhythm to the.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Offense none whatsoever. Doug Gottliebschel, you're on Fox Sports Radio.
Tom t Leasco is our guest. Of course, he's a
former jail manager of both the Chargers and the Raiders. Okay,
what happened to Sam Donald?
Speaker 11 (51:55):
Sam Donald ran into a big time defense yesterday, and
actually both the fences were outstanding. But that was probably
probably the biggest thing that I saw yesterday as far
as how one team is going to play another. So,
the Seahawks has played a lot this year with multiple
tight ends, and on early downs they throwing the ball
a lot out of those multiple tight ends sets so
(52:17):
Chris Julo was a defense coordinator for the Rams and
does an outstanding job. They played a lot of nickel
and a lot of dime on early downs, which is
typically what you wouldn't want to do. You don't want
to get in that big versus little where they're big,
you're little, and if they run the ball, you're in
a disadvantage. But they went heavy nickel, heavy dime. They
played a lot of safeties rather than extra corners, and
(52:37):
it really helped kind of shut down the passing game
and shut which didn't shut down the exposive plays, it
really limited it. And I just thought it was a
great game plan. And Sam, you know, he's he's doing
outstanding job this year with exposive plays with big throws,
but he always has an achilles heel against some pressure
that he'll still take chances versus pressure and throws picks,
(53:00):
and he saw that yesterday. Not enough to worry about.
These were two of the best teams in the league
playing yesterday and two out stain in defenses. But I
just thought Chris shuld that it had a great game
plan to play against the Seahawks, and we'll probably if
the other team start to try and copy that, and
now you know, see I don't have to encounter. But
I thought that was a really interesting way how they
played the Seahawks'.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader that's the
voice of Tom to LESCo, long time gentle manager in
the National Football League. It was nineteen. All the Chiefs
have the ball and You're like, man, how many times
have I seen this before? Pat Mahome is gonna win
this game? Turns out it's the Broncos who end up
(53:42):
getting win. What did you see in the Broncos late
win over their ASC West rival.
Speaker 11 (53:49):
Well, like you said, I mean, it's a close game,
so I wouldn't you know, I'm not ready to put
Kansas City in the coffee yet. It was, you know,
tight throughout, and I thought Kansas City's defense, I mean
they hung in there, really held them, held Denver to
field goals, not touchdown. They just didn't get enough stops.
But Denver's defense is one of the best in the league.
Their front, the defensive front, is one of the best
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in the league, and unfortunately for the Chiefs on the
other side, their weakness is the offensive lineup, pass protection
and certainly on the edges. So that was a that
was a mismatch really all day for the Broncos pass rushers,
and and that showed up again.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
In the game.
Speaker 11 (54:26):
But again it's tight, it's close. Chiefs won a lot
all these games or majority of them last year. This
year not quite the same. And the Broncos have a
great formula right now. They have Broncos have one of
the best offensive lines in the league. They have a
great defensive line. And when you can play well in
the trenches on both sides, that that kind of leads
to consistency, and that's what we're seeing. The record shows
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that as far as how they're playing, and bo Nixt
states the Broncos relied on him yesterday, especially in the
second half, and he came through. But to me, it
was really about O line D line yesterday and the
Broncos just had more up front against the Chiefs offensive line.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, yeah, I I I tend to tend to agree
with you. What do you think happens with Kyler Murray? Right,
Like Jacob said, through for a million yards yesterday, but
really ineffective in comparison. And you know, he had the
two picks and they had they had another fumble as well.
(55:22):
But the fact that the Cardinals have said, you know
that even if healthy, he wouldn't be the starter. What
happens with the Kyler Murray?
Speaker 11 (55:32):
Well, if it's not Kyler, then who? And I know
that GM and head coach weren't there when when Kyler
was drafted. But I love Jacoby Brissette, but I love
him in a role and you and I can both
sit here and we know that's yeah, he's an excellent backup.
But if it's not Kyler Murray, okay, who? And and
(55:52):
are you going to be drafting high? I have to
draft a quarterback this year? Possibly not, And even if
you are, there aren't that many this year. Okay, So
you've got the draft that's going to be light. And
then in free agency, very few starters, you know, legit
starters come out in free agencies, so they're gonna have
to make a decision there. I think Kyler still has
plenty of talent. And it's again it's a new regime,
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but I'm just not ready to give up on him yet.
He's too athletic, he's got a strong arm, he can
make a lot of plays outside the pocket. He's hard
to prepare for They've gradually upgrade the talent on that team.
But again, like if you want to move on from him,
where are you going to go? And right now, there
aren't a lot of places to go.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
No, No. Bryce Young obviously struggled last year, lost his
job for a little bit, got it back statistically yesterday
his best day as a pro. Four to forty eight,
three touchdowns known receptions. Where are you on Bryce Young
long term with the Panthers.
Speaker 11 (56:50):
I'm just not assure you. I know, you put up
a great amount of yards yesterday. I had to hit
a very nice game, you know against the Falcons defense
that's been up and down. Two weeks ago the Panthers
got to win against the Packers and you know, Bryce
through for one hundred yards in less than fifty percent completion.
So it's been a little bit up and down. I
think Dave kanalas quietly has done more with less any
(57:12):
coach in the NFL this year. He's doing an amazing
job with the whole team. And defensively, j Everroe has
done a great job. I mean, they had one of
the worst defenses in the league last year, and I
didn't think they did a lot to improved first l
wise over the over the offseason and they're balling out
right now. So with with I just don't know at
(57:33):
the quarterback spot with Bryce Young, is he the guy now?
If he has enough talent around him, which they've gotten better,
maybe he's got a chance. And he shows some yesterday.
But just with the with the size, it just it
shows up a lot. You know how he plays in
the pocket now, he's got very quick guys. You can
get the ball out quickly, but it's it's hard playing
(57:55):
in his size for a long over the long haul
in this league. So we'll see. Like yesterday it was
great and it needs to keep coming on and the
talent is gradually getting better with the Panthers. But you know,
we shall see. But you know this can't be a
week to week up and down or you look at
the whole body work. The whole body works to me,
so it needs to keep coming along with them.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
Awesome stuff, Tom, Thanks so much for joining us. Look
forward to our weekly weekly chat. Appreciate being our guest
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (58:24):
Yeah, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
Doug
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great day of Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast live every day.
We're sort of by coastal Midwestern whatever. I'm in Green
Bay there in Sherman, Oas, California. Jay Stew's here, Dan
Byers here, Iowa. Sam is here. We got the entire crew,
Spectacular college football weekend, fun college basketball weekend, and uh yeah,
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what we thought has come true for the most part.
In the NFL, although we still have to have questions
now about the kansasitate Chiefs, and maybe some of those
answers have been answered with the Denver Broncos. Can you
win ugly against the elite teams of the NFL, just
the bottom teams of the NFL? Welcome, Welcome in. I
went to Eagles Packers Monday Night. And that's a little
(01:09):
bit of a humble brag, but it's also setting for
you context of it, and the context should be that
one of the things I offered up this week and
the questioning Green Bay all week and even yesterday when
the Packers beat the Giants and Jordan Love looked great,
is why were the Packers so conservative on Monday Night?
(01:34):
And they kept running the football with Josh Jacobs instead
of letting Jordan Love throw the ball. The other takeaway
from Monday Night was having been there, I didn't think
that they utilized that the Eagles utilized AJ Brown at all.
And I'm not an AJ Brown guy, I'm not an
Eagle fan, but for a guy who I think all
(01:56):
of us deemed to be very, very talented, you would
think that they would use him even as a decoy
or focus upon him and make somebody take him away.
And it wasn't like the Packers didn't pay attention to him,
but it wasn't like they were throwing three guys his
way the way you would with like a Jamar Chase.
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So fast forward to last night, Sunday Night Football where
the Eagles take on the Lions and the Lions. They
couldn't block at all, couldn't block at all, and aj
Brown was the focal point season nine eleven targets was
a big focal point of the Eagles offense. And then
(02:39):
you have the Lions offense. What went wrong there? I'm
going to start with the Lions offense because again, I
when you're coaching, and quite frankly, when you're calling plays
in coaching, this is something that I'm very well equipped
to talk about. Even though basketball and football are are different,
(03:02):
there's some similarities. One of the things that's similar and Buyer,
I don't know if you and I have talked about this,
but I pattern what we do offensively after the Kansaity Chiefs.
And here's why. The Kansasity Chiefs. They don't run that
many plays, you know, again to simplify and say they
(03:24):
run ten plays, but they run all these different formations
in motion so that you're you're trying to guess where
they're going or what they're doing a lot of slight
of hand and then they run power or they run something.
They run these they got their screen game as always exquisite, right, Yeah,
And so there's a million different things, but really it's
like five plays.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Gus Maul's on with Auburn going to the National championship
game against Florida State about twelve years ago.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Same thing.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, yeah, And so yes, there's simplicity and execution, but
there's also the slide of hand where you throw a
bunch of different stuff but you're really keeping it simple.
You just have to have your guys understand the Aha,
it looks different but it's really the same. And then
you know you have to read the defense within it. Well,
I'm the play caller for our team, and you can
(04:16):
sit there and go like, oh, your record's fine, Like
if you think I'm about it, it's okay. But I
can tell you when I'm watching Dan Campbell, I think
he's a play caller, but I think he's calling plays
for somebody else's offense. And there's also a lack of
kind of rhythm to it. And and I'm not perfect
(04:37):
with it. Okay, I've done it only AU level and
then the college level for a year, and I've helped
out other people. But if you like the way the
basketball player and football player's brain works is things have
to kind of make sense right. And I feel like
when I'm watching the Lions. He has as a group
(05:00):
of plays that he likes based upon personnels and oh,
they're playing this, we're going to do this, If this,
then that, which is great, but there's no kind of
rhythm to it. Whereas the best of the best, the
Kyle Shanahan's of the world, they have a rhythm and
a reason what they're getting to and it may not
it may be a build up of Hey, we're running
(05:21):
this now, so in the second half, we're going to
get the same look and we're going to have an
exposive play and it would be open. Whereas the Lions,
it's like they're just trying to win every play and
it doesn't feel like that works. So there's a culmination
of things that happened last night. So here's Jalen Brown
asked about AJ Brown getting more targets than usual in
the game, including one in which he quit on the
(05:43):
play late.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, just going with the flow of the game and
how it was called and trying to go out there
and ext QT.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
So it wasn't like an effort to get him football.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And may be a KP question, KP being his offensive coordinator.
Here's Nick Siryani about AJ Brown get more involve.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
We're always trying to get Aj involved, always, always, always, always,
And the game play is played differently each and every
week of what happens. So I think I don't think
I've been shy about saying this. The game plan is
always going to start in the passing game with him
and Davante and in Dallas, and so we're always trying
to do that and get him the football. And that's
(06:23):
the way play game played out a little bit today.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Can I just point out Dan that Sirianni did it again?
Going forward on fourth down with three minutes to go
in your own territory is just dumb.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, that one, It's just dumb.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Like listen, and and I get it. You like you
go like, oh, you won five games as a coach. Yeah,
And I know that there's no possibly when your defense
is completely and utterly dominating the game and it's a
two score game, all you gotta do is punt the football.
And if they want to score, fine, then they got
to find a way to get the ball back and
(07:01):
get to get instead. You know, the Lions could do
nothing and end up settling for a field goal. Could
have kicked the field goal right away, Yes, you know,
if not for a winning night and then had tons
of time to get a stop and maybe maybe even
you know, have given up a couple first downs. They
you know, they they had plenty of opportunities and it
was gifted to them by going forward. And it's the
second straight week he's done it, second straight week and
(07:26):
they've won both games. It does not make the process correct, right,
I mean, like, I'm not anti Nick Seriani. I'm not
sitting here trying to like, you know, if you want
to find a flall with a coach, you can find one.
I'm just telling you, like, there's no reason. There was
no reason last week, with like two twenty five to
(07:47):
go for them to throw the ball on second down. None,
you run the ball, get it to the two minute warning,
and then every play after that they got to call timeouts, right,
everybody knows that. And the Packers would have used there
to outs on the other side of the two minute warning,
so again, mission would have been accomplished. But the Packers
got the ball back, had plenty of time. They actually
(08:08):
got it back a second another time, right, That's how
much time he left on it. It's like he wants
the game to be close. And I know he doesn't,
but that's how bad those decisions were.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I felt it was a unifying time in America that
outside of Eagles and Packers and maybe Bears fans, that
everybody was so happy that the Lions not only stopped
the Eagles, it was on a tush push play. Like,
not only was it a stupid play to even go
for it in that scenario, but it happened on a
(08:40):
tush push play where you could say, what are you doing?
So someone stopped it, and they did it in a
ridiculously advantageous situation for that team and against the Eagles.
I had no idea what he was doing, and then
the camera immediately pans to him. I mean, we heard
(09:01):
that the AJ Brown pass was called by Hurts and
Brown in Green Bay on Monday night, but this was
just this was atrocious.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, all of it's bad. It just it doesn't make
any sense. Like you're it'd be one thing if you're like, well,
it's like the Colts back when they had Peyton Manning,
like you know what, let's put the ball in our
best player's hands and let's let him get a first down.
The same thing with Tom Brady. And this is not
to take as it takes a little shot at Jalen Hurts,
(09:36):
but nobody would say that Jalen hurts. And it's not
like you haven't Jalen Hurts passed. You're going to touch
push which has been highly highly successful. Your defense for
the second straight week has been absolutely thoroughly and completely
physically dominant over the opponent. The Lions could not block
(09:57):
you at all, and you're like gifting them that kind
of field position when they got to score twice. That
makes no sense to me at all, no sense. But
the Eagles do what they They overcome what I think
is additional chances brought on by an overly aggressive offensive
(10:18):
play call. And oh yeah, by the way, the Lions
they got stopped five times on fourth down five times,
five times. Everybody wants their play call or be aggressive
until five times he doesn't get it on fourth down,
And oh yeah, by the way, the Eagles were also
helped out by just an atrocious defensive pass interference. So
(10:42):
the Lions kick a field goal, have a chance to
get a stop. Then on third down, what would have
if it play had just gone incomplete, they would have
gotten the ball back with time to come down score
a touchdown. Probably wouldn't have done it because their offensive
line could not block the Lions. But think a listener
(11:02):
Chris Collinsworth and his reaction to the penalty call. Oh,
come on, come on, that is terrible.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
That is an absolutely terrible call that it's going to
decide just football down.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
If anything, it's an offensive push. Yeah, it wasn't an
offensive push on aj Brown. It wasn't a defensive passer
fits on Rockinson. It was a terrible call. I don't
know if it It didn't decide the game, but it
sealed the game, right, It didn't decide the game, It
sealed the game. The Eagles were the better football team.
(11:40):
They kicked the Lions ass. Forget about the final score.
But that was a terrible call to end that game. Awful.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Well Butt, you do got leap show Fox Sports Radio.
Having a great day. It's a Monday, which means we
got Monday Night Football to preview, We got Sunday to
look back on. We do the whole gamuty here on
the DG Show. Monday Night Football preview upcoming. Plus you
got the spitting incident back into left back and to
(12:15):
left back and to left Dan Byer's here. You can
hear him on his podcast. I want your flex. You
can download my All Ball podcast. Plus you have the
podcast for this show. You get the two hour live
radio show Plush. We have a special podcast only hour
for you. Just download wherever you download podcast. I was
Sam with the Ones and Tues and Jay Stu. I'm
(12:38):
gonna I'm gonna give you a quick shout out. Two
of the coaches the University of Minnesota's basketball team cornered
before the game and they were like, hey, we love
your podcast, and I was like, well thanks. I did
an All Ball with Nico Medved, Minnesota's head coach, the
night before the game. We dropped him before the game wherever.
It was like, yeah, it was nice of Deco's like, no, no, no, no,
(13:01):
we like All Ball because you see we like in
the bonus because you guys say whatever the hell you
really want to say on in the bonus. He's like
that Jay Stew guy, I love him. So you got
some love there from some Minnesota basketball coaches.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
So these are two assistant coaches with Minnesota. Yes, they've
got great taste.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I know that.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
First and foremost. I don't know if they can coach
a wick, but they got great taste. And yeah, just
to tell the listeners who haven't tuned in the end
the Bonus Podcast, you're gonna hear some like pretty razy stuff,
like stuff that pushes the envelope. We go right up
to the line. Sometimes we dance over the line. Some
things you just can't do on public radio. So it's
a good time.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think sometime at some point, Jay, you
gotta be clothed when you do it. That'd be a
little bit more acceptable. We do this every Monday. It's
a great way of recapping what we were hot on
over the weekend. It's called love and hate? What did
you God?
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I love you and what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Meet these player hays uh love blah blah blah blah
love Hey, heydayayay, heyt what'd you love for the weekend?
What'd you hate for the weekend? Damn byer start with you?
What'd you love?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Nothing like a good restaurant recommendation and hot chicken is
all the craze here. And last week we were having
a conversation in studio and Iowa Sam says, yeah, you
should try this place that just opened up the street.
I'm always open to a new hot chicken place.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Sam. I tested it out on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
The medium a little spicier than I would have hoped,
but I wanted to try them mild, just to see
how it compares. So I loved a good recommendation from
Iowa Sam okay good.
Speaker 8 (14:49):
So that makes me happy.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
This establishment has a location up near Jason Stewart to myself,
actually closer to where Jason lives. Doug, you know where
that is, because you've been to his place, not to mine,
but it would be closer to Jason's place. The uh,
the establishment, So maybe we'll have to we'll have to
try it up.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
There, he had he had.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I get it, Hey, man, I get it, Doug, I
totally get it. It's uh, we're a little bit too
far north, you know, we're like right at that line,
because then you're you're out of you're out.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Of l A. I get hey, can I can I
do a lit humma break speaking a chicken out hot chicken?
But that's great? My you guys ever get your you
know your when your clockets all screwed up because you
stayed up too late, you know, like we we got
into four in the morning and then I slept to eleven.
So like last night, I wasn't tired, wasn't tired. So
(15:45):
late at night I went down in the air fire.
I threw in some some uh chicken strips, and I
mixed Chick fil a sauce with some siracha mao. I mean,
if if food was jewelry, you would have thought I was.
I had like the perfect diamonds. I'm texting and calling
(16:09):
everybody lately and I did not I save you guys
the the weird text. But I was like, I just
ate the greatest thing in my life. Anyway, late night eates,
do you want to give the Hot Chicken place a
shout out?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
No, I don't. I just want to just say what
that it was. It was a good recommendation. Iowa Sam
gave me the approval that he had had it previously.
So I said yesterday because I was. I was at
Fox Sports Radio a bunch yesterday and I said, all right,
for the lunch, that's what I'll That's what I'll do.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So was a chicken sandwich or chicken strip?
Speaker 9 (16:43):
I just went strips. I didn't go with the sandwich.
I did the sandwich. Did you the pickles and the coleslaw?
And did you try their sauce.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That they gave you.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't like sauce. Oh right, yeah, okay, yeah, I
don't like pickles or sauce. Just give me the heat
and the fries and I'm good.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
It's always it's always fun.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
When a new place opens up around here, we can
always go, you know, the same places, so get tired
of you know.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, there's a place that's that's that's popular that I
think is kind of mid but it's just easily accessible,
so it ends up getting business.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But yep, I know what that place is. Let's get
to Jason Stewart some mean left on the weekend.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
This really caught my eye and I love it only
because it shows just how ridiculous our president is. And
I mean the president of the United States, I don't
mean the president. At premiere, Donald Trump was on a
plane and he had the world's greatest MRI.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I understand that the results were what was it for?
Speaker 10 (17:41):
Because it's part of my physical Getting an MRI is
very certain. Why you think I shouldn't have it?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Other people to got it? I had an MRI? Is
I had an MRI.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
The doctor said it was the best result he has
ever seen as a doctor.
Speaker 11 (17:58):
That's it.
Speaker 10 (17:59):
But I had an MRI as part of my standard
every year and the result was outstanding. You know, I
have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed,
they analyzed.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
My super hot girlfriend Christina and I just sat up
laughing at the sound bite. And I think it's my
favorite one. Since he's eating the dogs. They're eating the dogs.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Eat the dogs, eating the cats.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
So many, so many things that were funny about this.
Maybe the funniest is that he had no idea what
his MRI was taking imaging of and then he said.
The doctor says, he's never seen a better MRI as
a doctor, and I'm wondering, So what did the doctor
do before he was a doctor. Was he a janitor
or a mechanic? And he saw better MRIs? And then
(18:55):
MRIs I always thought were pretty like black or white.
You either either confirmed you have some thing or ninety
nine percent of them confirm you.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Don't have something. I don't.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
I don't know what makes an MRI great, but that
was that was wonderful entertainment this weekend. Thank you to
the President of the United States.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
It's like, all timer, It's like looking at the scene
of an accident, crash site. You're like, oh, it's the
best crash scene I've ever seen, best collision I've ever
seen nothing, get nothing beats this one.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I'm crying, Okay, Sammy yours.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Well, it was a consecutive miserable sports week for me.
But do you guys, maybe you remember over this summer
I was talking about my cousin Adam, who's a very
proud sports dad.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
His son Adlai is a kicker at Washington State.
Speaker 9 (19:39):
Now well, his younger son, Henry helped his two state
Class two way state.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
What am I trying to say?
Speaker 9 (19:47):
Your Class two way Van Meter Bulldogs to the state
championship game appearance next week?
Speaker 8 (19:53):
That was nice. He's a very proud sports dad.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Henry's the quarterback for the Van Meter Bulldogs there in
Van Meter, Iowa, and they will play Kemper Catholic, who's undefeated.
So Adam just can't can't stop brimming with pride being
the proud sports dad as yet another son doing big things.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Go Henry, go Bulldogs. I have a question about that. Yeah,
So the to let the listeners in on the group
chat this weekend. Sam basically said what he just said
in the group chat, and I sarcastically said, yeah, I
saw that on the National News. Yes, and then I
provided a very doctorate gift that was very obvious and
(20:33):
it was a hack job.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Oh, it was so good.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
And then Bayer said he did see it on the
National News and he provided his own gift. I guess
the question to Sam is this, Yeah, did you think
Damn Bayer's gift was real?
Speaker 9 (20:49):
It was a It was a still shot, a screen grab,
a screen capture.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
No, up in the corner, it's I was playing into.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
All of this.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
You know, I have a very sarcastic, dry sense of humor.
When I too, I saw up in the corner it
said create your own news dot com. So this was
like uploaded by some fan. It looked very professional. Thank
you very much. Thank you for that, Dan, I did
give you credit on Twitter for that. Yeah, but major
news outlet, Major news outlet uploaded it looked yeah, thank
(21:19):
you very much, and they're going with the alternative name
for Henry Hank you very much.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
I loved it.
Speaker 9 (21:24):
Henry looks awesome. Was that him in the picture? Yeah,
Number thirteen The quarterback perfect. So it looked very professional,
very proud of Henry and all those lounds berriers going
out and doing big thing, big things on the grid iron.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
But I think that the question is Sam, when they
were kind of poking and teasing fun, Yeah, did you
think for a second maybe I shouldn't share this as
a story?
Speaker 8 (21:47):
No, No, I know Jason was joking, Like ibably knew.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Jason was joking. But then when you tweeted it, I
was petrified. I was mortified.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
You really think I saw this on CNN or something.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I so hope that you didn't think it was real,
because you did take your family and I thought, oh, no,
I don't have the heart to tell him that I
made this up. And then I I didn't have the
guts to even bring it up to you that I
thought it would just go away into the ether and
that I would just never know when I was happy
with that. I'm actually happier with this result that you
knew that that Jake Tapper did not break in uh
(22:21):
to CNN or Anderson Cooper to say that Van Meter
is onto the title game. But I wasn't sure because
of the tweet. I didn't texted Jason separately, I'd be like,
does Sam know that this is fake? So I'm relieved,
let me hold on.
Speaker 9 (22:37):
I just wanted to say, though, no, I listen, I dan.
I was trying to do a little winking and nod
in a joke and also share the news. It was
I was trying to kill two birds with on stone,
but of course I was. I was playing with you guys.
Come on, I have a.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Did you have you guys seen the It's a gift
for a screen grab. Where so Bronnie James got to
start for the Lakers on Saturday night against the Bucks,
and the Lakers won, and it was the same day
that Lebron was assigned to the G League. Right, so
there's that Bronni is starting for Lakers and Lebron's in
(23:13):
the G League. But Bronni didn't score a point in
his start. And so somebody put career high twenty six
chest passes, career high nine streams set seven minutes in
the corner. So it looks like twenty six, nine and seven,
(23:34):
and it's really twenty six chess passes, nine screen set,
seven minutes in the corner. I love it. Let's get
to what we hated from the weekend. Let's start with
our resident Oh we got breaking news, breaking news with
Dan Byer, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Didn't breaking news from Fox Sports Doug.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
A report from ESPN says that Virginia Tech in former
Penn State head coach James frank Glinn have agreed the
terms on a contract that will make him the next
head coach of the Hokies football program.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
That's amazing. I mean when you think about it, at
the start of the year, when they first made the
coaching change, you would have thought it'd probably be Shane Beemer,
and then Shane Biemer South Carolina team's had a disappointing year.
Then they're up thirty to three at the half against
A and M. You're like, oh, here we go Beamer
ball and they lose thirty one thirty. But James Franklin, like, look,
(24:30):
if he can get Virginia Tech to where Penn State
has been, then that would be amazing. The ACC has
no chance of being viewed as a, you know, one
of the three big conferences until Florida State, Clemson, Virginia
Tech are back to where they should be among college
football's elite, and Franklin has built he may not have
(24:53):
been able to conquer, but he has built. Let's get
to what we hated from the weekend. Here's Jason Stewart.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Hey, Doug, you guys all watch the same game I did,
right You guys watched the Chiefs and Eagles, and I'm
sorry Chiefs, Broncos and the Eagles Lions.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Okay, So if.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
You think about it, each of those teams, the Eagles
and the Broncos are the best representation of their conferences
right now. And I said a week ago in this
segment that I want the Broncos to go to the
Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl because maybe at
some point that'll be the telling sign to the Commissioner
of Football that we need to do something about this product.
(25:38):
Because the Broncos are a poor representation of our best team.
I would make the same case for the Eagles. I
don't know if you guys suffered through this as much
as I did, or maybe I'm just maybe too keenly
looking at this stuff. But with the Eagles playing the
Packers on one off game last week, the Eagles playing
last night, it is a dreadful watch. It's awful. I
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didn't see many like great plays of athleticism. I didn't
see any creativity. It's like NFL teams are playing in mud,
like literally figuratively yesterday in mud, and you're sitting there
watching the game and you have to look at your
phone because it's not riveting. There's nothing compelling. And then
(26:26):
for the game to end on that DPI by the
Lions player and to hear Collinsworth say this out loud.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Oh, come on, come on, that is terrible.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
That is an absolutely terrible call that it's going to
decide this football game.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
If anything, it's an offensive pleash.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
I thought that was pretty pointed for a guy on
a rights holder like NBC to say it. And then
I saw somebody from NFL media and I can't remember who,
maybe like Greg Rosenthal or something, and he summed it
up perfectly. A terrible call to end a terrible game.
And that's how we all felt as viewers. That was
(27:10):
a horrible game to watch see. And if the Eagles
and the Chiefs are the Eagles and the Broncos are
the best representation of each conference, the NFL has a problem.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
Yeah, the Eagles offense is hard on your mental health.
If you're watching that, it's it's just hard. It's a
hard watch. It's not good looking offense. It's not good
looking football. And yeah, that call was weak week that
game was back to back here, Packers, Eagles, Eagles, Lions.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Those are tough watches.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yep, yep. What about you, Dan Barrson, you hate it
from the weekend, Doug.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I hate that I was right. I hate that nobody's
talking about how I was right. The Seahawks lost to
the Rams yesterday, and some would say on a sixty
one yard field goal that was missed by Jason Myers.
So I might say that right. Ernest Jones may tell
me to bleep off. But Sam Donald threw four interceptions yesterday.
(28:07):
The Seahawks lead the NFL in turnovers, something that I
have talked about now for weeks on Fox Sports Radio,
whether it be here on the dou Gottlieb Show, whether
it be with Carrie Rhodes on End Zone Radio every Sunday,
whether it be with Mike Harmon on the I Want
Your Flex Podcast. I was shouting from the mountaintops, Doug.
They have got to stop the turnovers. Donald threw again
(28:30):
four interceptions yesterday. That's ten on the season to go
along with his five fumbles. That's fifteen. He has fifteen
of the team's twenty turnovers this season. By the way,
twenty turnovers through eleven weeks of the season when you've
had a bye not good. He's seventy five percent of
their turnovers. Best in the NFL. OH they outplayed the
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Rams yesterday. They did statistically in every facet except making
good plays and making bad plays. They were unable to
do it and that is very frustrating. As the Seahawks,
I think.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
It was the Tuesday morning quarterback when you said on
this show and correct me which one I'm getting wrong here?
You either said that the Seahawks loss in the eventual
playoffs will come because of Donald's interception or you said
their loss to the Rams on Sunday will be because
of a Donald interception. Which one was it? But you
(29:29):
did call it.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I've just said and specifically, and if they lose, it
would probably be because of turnovers.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
That's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And it just was completely it was frustrating, just frustrating
to see it happen again and again and they still
almost pulled it out. And that's what people don't see.
I was even asked about I was on in yesterday.
I was on with Brian no and Bill Krackenberger and
Jeff Schwartz on Countdown to Kickoff. This is my little
(30:01):
bit of analysis.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
Dan Byer with us, how about this?
Speaker 12 (30:04):
Now?
Speaker 9 (30:04):
Do you believe this what Cracks saying about the fools
gold Seahawks?
Speaker 8 (30:08):
If you will, Dan, or you signed off on that show.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You know, I may be a little biased. I think
that the real deal, that they are the real deal. However,
I think the Rams are the best team in football
right now. So that's what's going to make today very,
very fun. And then I think I said something about
the Seahawks turning the football over. But anyway, I've been
saying it for weeks. I've been saying it for weeks,
and it happened yesterday, Doug, and it took me off.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That's what I hated. Four turnovers.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
You had been saying it, and you were right. Let's
get to Iowa, was.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
Him, Well, this disappointing season of Hawkeye heartbreak continues. I
was sitting cozily in my living room watching Iowa take
on USC and they found a way to lose. This
is just like you know, it's a script flip from
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last week. Last week they were down fifteen to seven
to Oregon. They came up and they got it, had
sixteen fifteen, only to lose on a last second field goal.
This week, Iowa gets out to a twenty one to
seven lead. Mark Gronowski, quarterback for Iowa, throws a touchdown,
he runs for a touchdown, and he catches a touchdown.
They look incredible on offense twenty one to seven, and
then Iowa would not score a point after that and
(31:20):
they would lose twenty six twenty one. So this futility,
going back to twenty twenty one of not beating ranked teams,
it just seems like this endless nightmare. Iowa good but
not great right there, but not.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Cross Lincoln Riley's celebration. Do you like that?
Speaker 8 (31:38):
So an Iowa assistant, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (31:41):
He walked onto the field or did something to draw
a penalty flag and that sealed the game, and Lincoln
Riley was loving it, jumping up and down on the sidelines,
hugging his guys and yeah whatever, I mean, I just
at that point.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I was just disgusted.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
I was just like, jeez, just yeah, go eight and
four again with no meaningful wins and yet another season.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
So that's my hate.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So you resigned to Iowa football. That's why we're Iowa,
I mean are.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
You can pretty much sum up all of Iowa's main
sports men's basketball, women's basketball, and football just good but
not great, not championship level, and that's just been like
that for pretty much forty years.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
They were in a trick play.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
I loved it, and then and then the second half
it was just all U see and they got some
great Makai Lemon, they got their quarterbacks really good, they
got some good players, but Iowa couldn't score after that.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
It's very disappointing.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Mine is love and hate. It all happened in once
My My Green Bay Phoenix played their absolute hearts out
and were able to make some shots and send the
game to overtime. Nearly lost in regulation on a mid
court shot after you know, scored with two seconds ago,
(33:00):
so it throws it in. It was just after the buzzer.
But here's what I hate. I hate replay rules where
you can only I can't challenge foul calls, and I
can only challenge things that are you know, inbounds, out
of bounds, whatever, if they've been called goaltend, if it's
been called like we're gonna have replay, let us use replay.
(33:24):
If we don't have replay, then don't let us use replay.
The partial use of it plus the pace of it.
Because basketball is such a quick game that you literally,
without any sort of knowledge, you see something, if it's
in live game action at that very moment, you have
to use a replay, and it's a time out if
you don't get it right. I just don't like the
replay rules. I don't mind using the timeout. I don't
(33:45):
mind only have one challenge, but if I can challenge some,
I can be able to challenge some goaltend foul, no foul,
out of bounds, substitution, being wrong, travel anything. I shabeldes.
I hate three play rules.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
That graphic you sent us was cold about Bronny.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Isn't that funny?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Seven minutes in the corners?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Just so funny? So funny, and that's loving hate.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
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Speaker 1 (34:14):
App Stuck gotleip show. You listen to Fox Sports Radio
so uh Shore Sanders got to play. It wasn't very good.
It wasn't very good.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Here's Shore Sanders talking about his first naps in the
NFL game.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
First and foremost one to thank God from giving me
the opportunity to get out there. That's all you could
ask for, honestly, the chance to get out there, get
your feet wet, to experience how it feels, you know,
to even be out there with the team. We have
the first group with everybody, so I'm truly he was excited.
(34:58):
It was a rough day overall, but the thing that
I was excited about is just being able to get
out there.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
It's the first time I got hit like since since
my last game at Colorado. So just having that feeling back,
you know, is good.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yep, no, I get it. It is good. It's definitely good.
He was four of sixteen through a bad pick, looked overwhelmed.
Here's Rex Ryan on ESPN earlier today commenting on Shador
(35:36):
and what he was doing after the game.
Speaker 12 (35:39):
He's got to get over himself too, like you like,
he's there by himself on the bench at the end
of the game. I've never seen I've seen it in
the seventh game of World Series when you lose a
game or whatever. This is a game. Is a pillow
fight game. Nobody cares? He cares back, Yeah, did he care?
Or you trying to make it a show? Make it
about yourself. You've got a guy over there that, by
(36:00):
the way, is a two time MVP. Right there, Lamar Jackson,
he was looking for you. He was looking for you
right there. Why didn't share a moment with him? All right?
All right, share a moment with Lamar. He looking all
over for you. They get in there with your teammates.
These are your teammates, all right, These are your teammates,
and talk about I'm not comfortable losing. You think anybody
(36:22):
in that locker room is they better not be?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah? I just I don't know, Like, look we maybe
I compartmentalize things better than other people. Okay, I didn't
like to watch ACT. I definitely knew, you know why
he didn't get drafted. I didn't think it was a
(36:47):
crime against humanity that he fell in the draft or
the whole ACT or trying to determine and many things
he said. But what you can't do, or I don't
think you can do, is factor in those things, even
in the preseason or whatever. You know. The the miming
answers and just let's just take yesterday. Okay, he was bad,
(37:10):
it was awful, It looked it was kind of sad
to watch. Okay, but after the game in when you
play your first NFL game and you don't play well
and you're just sitting there and it happens really, really fast.
I'm sure he's sitting there with his helmet in his hand.
He's listening, or he's got his helmet on, he's listen
all the play calls. Honest, Sden, you're in and you're like,
I've waited my whole life, and then you get in
(37:33):
there and you're terrible and your team loses again. It
comes at you really fast and you need it a minute.
I'm not holding that against him, nor will I sit
here and say definably, this is who he is as
an NFL quarterback. I've never been so infatued with Shador
(37:55):
Sanders that I wanted to claim racism or the things
that everyone's against him or whatever. What I can tell
you is, when you're a coach of somebody at his age,
and I coach people at his age, I have a
player who right now, if you saw him play like
he is not a very good basketball player. Why would
you have recurred him a sign him? And yet everybody
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wanted him, me especially and my old staff were like,
he didn't play this way. It's just confidence can be
shattered and hard to rebuild. And that process of trying
to win a game while a player you're playing is
trying to regain his confidence or gain his footing, it
(38:41):
can be a very very difficult process. So this may
surprise you, but I'm going to tell you it's not
the end of the world or the end. I've never
been a Shador is the greatest. He's got to be
out there. He's got his flaws, he holds them all
too long. He doesn't have a super strong arm. He
is really accurate. He's he's mobile ish, but he's People
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think because he's Dion's son that he's that type of athlete.
He's not. But he does have clever mobility in the pocket.
And he was awful. He was bad. It wasn't good.
But he'll get more opportunities and either he gets better
and he'll get more or he plays this way and
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we won't see him much longer in the NFL. Is
that two matter of fact? Dan Byer, should I bring
in the baggage of his actions and people acting like
he should have been the number one overall pick and whatever,
and and and this is the in your face he stinks,
Like I thought, he played poorly, but again, we've seen
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lots of quarterbacks come in cold first start and not
play well. Again, I'm not I'm not gonna be crazy
and over wreck, but I could be wrong, and it
could not go in line with how much we've talked
about him previously.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah, I think that that's fair.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I don't know how you could expect anything from him,
to be honest, considering the lack of practice snaps that
he got with the first team. I don't know how
anybody succeeds in that situation. Maybe a fifteen year veteran
can come in and it's no problem, but for someone
who's a rookie in the National Football League, there's no
way that they could succeed. He had what four completions.
(40:22):
One of the incompletions, if I mean, if it's just
a little bit more on target, they maybe score a
touchdown and tie the game. So I would take the
positives from that throw. But to answer your question, I
think you're doing the right thing because I didn't realize
it until it was pointed out that he didn't shake
hands and didn't go off in talk with Lamar Jackson.
(40:46):
And I do think that that stuff is weird. So
you're doing a much better job of separating what you
think than what I am.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
I'll just again, and maybe I'm personalizing too much. And
I understand if people think it's not the same or
you don't care. Whatever. Thursday night, we go to play
Saint Thomas. I'm friends with Johnny Tower. He's the coach.
He's a great guy. He's kind of a mentoring you know.
I think he's got a doctorate whatever. He's brilliant dude.
So we play poorly. I have a player suffer a
(41:16):
gruesome injury and after the game, like I just I want,
I have to go to the hospital. And two, I'm
just trying to figure out my team and my own job.
And so even sent me a text checking in on
the kid that was hurt. And I was a little
short with him for talk with him yesterday, and again
I know that's not how he normally would be, but
the context of the situation, which we played poorly, I
(41:39):
was upset and I was trying to kind of get
my balance and then trying to figure out what I
need to do protocol with this kid, how to manage
my own emotions with that deal. Right, So the point
is maybe I've built in more empathy than I should.
But I do know that. Guys. You have a player's
(42:00):
name's Justin Allen, and we'll talk about the sum in
the pod. He was a star in Division three, star
twenty six points a game, Carnegie Mellon. So we play
against Bradley in an exhibition and Dan, he was just
so nervous, so nervous. And then we played Kansas and like,
you know, you got to think to yourself, like you've
(42:21):
been playing at a slightly above average When I'm saying
about average, I'm talking about the actual basketball team, not
the school, slightly above average Division three school, and now
you're playing at Kansas, right. And so for me, like
I walk in and you know, like I think my
team and my players and how I coach, Like I've
been through all this stuff as a player and a broadcaster,
(42:42):
so it doesn't overwhelm me, so I don't I struggle
to relate to it. But the kid was shook up,
Like they're shook because they've been waiting their whole lives.
They get an opportunity, and then they think they failed
and they let the world down, and it literally takes
them like two three weeks to get their confidence back,
and sometimes they don't ever get it back. And so
for Shador, my thing is when you've been the guy
(43:05):
playing for your memory, played for his dad his whole life,
and then all of a sudden, now he's had to
battle and yet not getting first team reps whatever, and
he's not helping the situation. I'm not denying that, but
you go to that, to being kind of thrust into
a game first time ever and then you don't play well,
it's a shot at your ego, there's no question about.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
It, and I am I'm much higher on how he
did play, considering the circumstances, Like I don't four of
sixteen is not great. Obviously, JJ McCarthy was one hopping
passes to receivers yesterday and we're still.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Not talking about him as much.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Sure, so like there's I think that for the couple
of throws that I saw Shador make that I thought
were really good, I was impressed, But remember last year,
the year before he was there to be at the
handshake with Dion and Jay Norvell against Colorado State. It
was sure to be at that handshake.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
No question. Yeah, suddenly disappears. I get it, I get it.
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Speaker 7 (44:30):
He's are the thirty Andrews of the.
Speaker 9 (44:31):
Twenty ten five touch down Ravens.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Oh, what a creative call.
Speaker 7 (44:38):
And Mark Andrews goes from the push push to the
big band sprint.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Now the Ravens have the lead that helped my fantasy
team as well, the fake bush pus, fake bush push
counter where Mark Andrews runs it in for a touchdown.
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It's a Monday. That means we get to catch up
with former GM of the Chargers for eleven years and
the Raiders last year. He's a friend of Doug, a
(45:05):
friend of the program. He's Tom Telasco. He joins us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
start off with the most discussed fifth round pick, potentially
fourth string quarterback in the history of the universe. Obviously,
the stats look bad, but what were your thoughts as
a GM watching Shador Sanders and villain duty yesterday.
Speaker 11 (45:27):
Yeah, I'm sure there'll be no irrational rants or analysis
of Shadur Sanders performance today, but just for contact, the
first thing I thought of was Jumper Herbert's first appearance
with his rookie year, because if you remember, I'm sure
you do, Like he didn't known till thirty seconds before
kickoff he was going to be playing in that game.
And this is week two of the season. He had
(45:47):
taken probably no first team reps Week one or two.
He maybe took a couple in training camp, but not
a lot. And this was during COVID, so there are
no preseason games. So his teammates and coaches literally had
never seen him play live until at first drive against
the Chiefs, So it's not unusual for a backup quarterback
not to have a lot of work during the week.
(46:07):
That's normal, and I mean it shows. I mean he
got in the game and Baltimore has an excellent defense,
they're smart, they brought a lot of pressure against them,
and he did what he could. I think this is
gonna work out perfect for Cleveland because now he'll get
a full week of practice and they're gonna get a
glimpse of what maybe he can do, so they can
kind of see what they have for the future. But realistically,
(46:29):
it doesn't matter at quarterback for Cleveland, whether it's Flaco,
whether it's still in Gabriel, whether it's Trador, whether it's
the legendary Bernie Kosar. Their offense just doesn't have an
infrastructure right now on the offensive line at the still
positions to be competitive yet, so they will in the future.
They have a lot of AMMO. They had an awesome
draft last year, but right now there just isn't enough
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on offense around no matter who the quarterback is right
now to be productive.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
I get that completely. Of course, there's no room for
rational analysis of this. But in our most rational sense, right,
you have to watch for traits or things that you
can grow on or if the he just doesn't have
it right. Granted, limited sample size, no worktime with the
first group, and the first group isn't that good. But
(47:17):
I mean, obviously you're gonna get more reps and a
deeper look. But with half a game in what do
you think.
Speaker 11 (47:27):
He showed a couple of throws which you saw in
college that piques your interests, Like, he can stand in
the pocket, you can stand tall, he can deliver, he's
got a strong arm. He saw that on the one
deep dig to Fan and it was a great throw.
But you also saw the same thing as so on
college that he's gonna have to work out of is
the holding out of the football in the pocket. They're
(47:47):
trying to back out the backside of the pocket, which
is almost impossible for any any quarterback to do unless
you're Mahomes. Now, there were some snaps yesterday that he
really could not step up because there's so much pressure
coming in the middle. But he does have that that
trait that has to improve as far as being able
to in a normal pocket, be able to step up
against the pressure and not bail out the back end.
(48:09):
But that's going to take some time. It takes practice,
it takes development. But you did see some throw yesterday
that you know there's a reason why he was a
highly productive college quarterbacks. You have to keep building on that.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Okay, let's let's discuss the Lions and their offense. It's
just a disaster last night against the Eagles. It's interesting though,
because here in Green Bay, you know, the entire week
is Matt Laflour is so conservative. What is Matt Lafoor doing.
You gotta let Jordan Love throw the football, and of
(48:42):
course he does against the Giants and look straat. But
then you see that same Eagles defense when the Lions
try and throw it, and you know you got no
time at all for Jered golf none. So again, my
thing is how much of this last two weeks is
really the Eagles defense as much as the offense is
that they're going against.
Speaker 11 (49:02):
That's a great point, Doug. I was just looking at
the Eagles defense. They did not start off the year well,
but they've kind of progressed and improved. And every year
is a different year, so you got to try and
figure out what are we this year? And you saw
the last two weeks. That's that's what they are. I mean,
the their their defensive front is very very difficult to
play against. And and it and it helps when you
(49:23):
play the Lions right now, the Lions. This is not
the same offensive line the Lions had last year. So
their interior, two guards and center are either new players
or a player that's been moved. And it showed up
last night. The Philly front just dominated them. And it
just felt like from a Detroit offense point of view,
And this is very subjective, but it just felt like
they were calling plays but not really running an offense.
(49:46):
If that makes any offense just no, there's.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
There's there's there's a rhythm to it. There's a there's
a rhythm to it. Yeah, so I'll give you, let
me give let me give you the basketball. I completely
see it. Honestly, most times I would say, ah, but
I paid it because you know, it's one of the
things that that I've run into as a coach, which
is you know I've I did last year, I did
everything with the offense, you know, and called all the
(50:10):
plays this year. I have a really really accomplished coach
helping me with the offense. But I have there's a
rhythm to how I believe it should should play out.
You know, we run a bunch of our sets in
the first half, and I'm looking for how they're guarding it,
so we have different counters for when we need a
bucket in the second half. But again it's it's the
the best of the best play callers. They have a
(50:32):
there's a rhythm and a feeling to it, and they
know how to get everybody involved and how to how
to you know, go north, go go north south for
a bunch of the game, only say you go east west.
I feel like that's that's where Dan Campbell, that's where
it's missing, where he's There's nothing wrong with the plays
that he's calling, but the execution and timing and overall
(50:52):
rhythm of it is is very off.
Speaker 11 (50:55):
I see the exact same thing, and we haven't seen
golf play like that in years, and certainly and played
like that with the Lions, where he just I mean
he couldn't get the ball out. He's dirting the ball,
take the weather out of it. But there was just
no rhythm or feel to it. And there's too much
talent at the skilled positions there to play like that.
So obviously they made the offensive coordinator change. I thought
(51:17):
they were doing okay early in the year. I thought
it would take some time with the new coordinator to
really get their identity. It doesn't happen overnight. But I
also trust Dan Campbell because he's shown that he has
a good pulse to their football team. But it's just
it didn't look right last night. I think the offensive
line had something to do with that, and the Eagles
had a lot to do with that, but there was
just no fueler rhythm to the.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Offense none whatsoever. Doug Gottliebschel, you're on Fox Sports Radio.
Tom t Leasco is our guest. Of course, he's a
former jail manager of both the Chargers and the Raiders. Okay,
what happened to Sam Donald?
Speaker 11 (51:55):
Sam Donald ran into a big time defense yesterday, and
actually both the fences were outstanding. But that was probably
probably the biggest thing that I saw yesterday as far
as how one team is going to play another. So,
the Seahawks has played a lot this year with multiple
tight ends, and on early downs they throwing the ball
a lot out of those multiple tight ends sets so
(52:17):
Chris Julo was a defense coordinator for the Rams and
does an outstanding job. They played a lot of nickel
and a lot of dime on early downs, which is
typically what you wouldn't want to do. You don't want
to get in that big versus little where they're big,
you're little, and if they run the ball, you're in
a disadvantage. But they went heavy nickel, heavy dime. They
played a lot of safeties rather than extra corners, and
(52:37):
it really helped kind of shut down the passing game
and shut which didn't shut down the exposive plays, it
really limited it. And I just thought it was a
great game plan. And Sam, you know, he's he's doing
outstanding job this year with exposive plays with big throws,
but he always has an achilles heel against some pressure
that he'll still take chances versus pressure and throws picks,
(53:00):
and he saw that yesterday. Not enough to worry about.
These were two of the best teams in the league
playing yesterday and two out stain in defenses. But I
just thought Chris shuld that it had a great game
plan to play against the Seahawks, and we'll probably if
the other team start to try and copy that, and
now you know, see I don't have to encounter. But
I thought that was a really interesting way how they
played the Seahawks'.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader that's the
voice of Tom to LESCo, long time gentle manager in
the National Football League. It was nineteen. All the Chiefs
have the ball and You're like, man, how many times
have I seen this before? Pat Mahome is gonna win
this game? Turns out it's the Broncos who end up
(53:42):
getting win. What did you see in the Broncos late
win over their ASC West rival.
Speaker 11 (53:49):
Well, like you said, I mean, it's a close game,
so I wouldn't you know, I'm not ready to put
Kansas City in the coffee yet. It was, you know,
tight throughout, and I thought Kansas City's defense, I mean
they hung in there, really held them, held Denver to
field goals, not touchdown. They just didn't get enough stops.
But Denver's defense is one of the best in the league.
Their front, the defensive front, is one of the best
(54:10):
in the league, and unfortunately for the Chiefs on the
other side, their weakness is the offensive lineup, pass protection
and certainly on the edges. So that was a that
was a mismatch really all day for the Broncos pass rushers,
and and that showed up again.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
In the game.
Speaker 11 (54:26):
But again it's tight, it's close. Chiefs won a lot
all these games or majority of them last year. This
year not quite the same. And the Broncos have a
great formula right now. They have Broncos have one of
the best offensive lines in the league. They have a
great defensive line. And when you can play well in
the trenches on both sides, that that kind of leads
to consistency, and that's what we're seeing. The record shows
(54:47):
that as far as how they're playing, and bo Nixt
states the Broncos relied on him yesterday, especially in the
second half, and he came through. But to me, it
was really about O line D line yesterday and the
Broncos just had more up front against the Chiefs offensive line.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, yeah, I I I tend to tend to agree
with you. What do you think happens with Kyler Murray? Right,
Like Jacob said, through for a million yards yesterday, but
really ineffective in comparison. And you know, he had the
two picks and they had they had another fumble as well.
(55:22):
But the fact that the Cardinals have said, you know
that even if healthy, he wouldn't be the starter. What
happens with the Kyler Murray?
Speaker 11 (55:32):
Well, if it's not Kyler, then who? And I know
that GM and head coach weren't there when when Kyler
was drafted. But I love Jacoby Brissette, but I love
him in a role and you and I can both
sit here and we know that's yeah, he's an excellent backup.
But if it's not Kyler Murray, okay, who? And and
(55:52):
are you going to be drafting high? I have to
draft a quarterback this year? Possibly not, And even if
you are, there aren't that many this year. Okay, So
you've got the draft that's going to be light. And
then in free agency, very few starters, you know, legit
starters come out in free agencies, so they're gonna have
to make a decision there. I think Kyler still has
plenty of talent. And it's again it's a new regime,
(56:16):
but I'm just not ready to give up on him yet.
He's too athletic, he's got a strong arm, he can
make a lot of plays outside the pocket. He's hard
to prepare for They've gradually upgrade the talent on that team.
But again, like if you want to move on from him,
where are you going to go? And right now, there
aren't a lot of places to go.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
No, No. Bryce Young obviously struggled last year, lost his
job for a little bit, got it back statistically yesterday
his best day as a pro. Four to forty eight,
three touchdowns known receptions. Where are you on Bryce Young
long term with the Panthers.
Speaker 11 (56:50):
I'm just not assure you. I know, you put up
a great amount of yards yesterday. I had to hit
a very nice game, you know against the Falcons defense
that's been up and down. Two weeks ago the Panthers
got to win against the Packers and you know, Bryce
through for one hundred yards in less than fifty percent completion.
So it's been a little bit up and down. I
think Dave kanalas quietly has done more with less any
(57:12):
coach in the NFL this year. He's doing an amazing
job with the whole team. And defensively, j Everroe has
done a great job. I mean, they had one of
the worst defenses in the league last year, and I
didn't think they did a lot to improved first l
wise over the over the offseason and they're balling out
right now. So with with I just don't know at
(57:33):
the quarterback spot with Bryce Young, is he the guy now?
If he has enough talent around him, which they've gotten better,
maybe he's got a chance. And he shows some yesterday.
But just with the with the size, it just it
shows up a lot. You know how he plays in
the pocket now, he's got very quick guys. You can
get the ball out quickly, but it's it's hard playing
(57:55):
in his size for a long over the long haul
in this league. So we'll see. Like yesterday it was
great and it needs to keep coming on and the
talent is gradually getting better with the Panthers. But you know,
we shall see. But you know this can't be a
week to week up and down or you look at
the whole body work. The whole body works to me,
so it needs to keep coming along with them.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
Awesome stuff, Tom, Thanks so much for joining us. Look
forward to our weekly weekly chat. Appreciate being our guest
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (58:24):
Yeah, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
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