THE BEST OF THE DOUG GOTTLIEB SHOW

On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug does a breakdown of the last 25 years of the Raiders' failures.

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(00:25):
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as well. I got the All Ball Podcast as well
as the Doug Gottlieb Show. Podcast. Welcome in. So there's
a million ways we could go with today's show, because
last night's game was so it wasn't even mid It
actually lived down to everything Jason Stewart has said about
the failings of the National Football League right where Itch
is like, people keep watching and it's just not that

(01:30):
good a product. Game did not feel like it was
in question. We can get to a little bit of
love for Dak Prescott, who has I think, without any question,
regained some footing in those top ten quarterback discussions, even
though none of this is the playoff games. They're not
going to the playoffs likely this year. To me, the

(01:52):
discussion is over the Raiders. It's over the Raiders. I
have a on of personal knowledge of the Raiders. You know,
I've had family members work for the Raiders over the years,
and you know, like Telesco, who joins us on a
weekly basis, he was the gentle manager of the Raiders

(02:14):
for a year. And I think that's kind of the
biggest issue the Raiders since two thousand and two, okay,
or really, if you want to go, since two thousand
and one when John Gruden left. The next year, Bill
Callahan took them to a Super Bowl and they won
eleven games since then. Since then, and we're talking about

(02:38):
the last twenty three years, they've had two double digit
win seasons. And here's the kicker. They haven't had any
nine win seasons. They've only had four eight win seasons.
So once you think about this for the last twenty
three years, last twenty three years, the Oakland Raiders, who

(03:01):
are a historic power and a big name in the
Nation Football League, I mean, this is just crazy. They've
had six seasons of five hundred or better. It seems
almost impossible to be that bad, right, They're not average,

(03:22):
they're below average. Most team in the leagues finished between
seven and nine, nine and seven. Remember, now, only do
they only have those four eight win seasons during that
same period of time, they only have two seven win seasons.
And you're like, wait, now, you're kind of nickeling diamond. No,
I'm not. Most teams in the NFL finished between seven
and nine, nine and seven will have fifteen of them

(03:46):
this year. So only eight times in twenty three years
they finished with seven wins or more? How is that possible?
How is that level of bad luck slash miss management possible?
And it's not like the end, they've had, you know,
they've had some curious coaching decisions. They did have John

(04:09):
Gruden for three of those years. When he returned, they
had Lane Kiffen, but it was back in the day
and Lane Kifen won four games his first year, then
fired early on in his second year. They have had
Norv Turner, who has seen as an offensive genius in
some of his stylings. His sons still coaching in the
league today. They've had Jack del Rio, who took them
to one of their double digit win season, their twelve

(04:30):
win season. The ten win season that they had in
twenty twenty one was won the COVID year in two.
Rich Pasacia, who's a special teams coach with the Packers,
was responsible for their late season and really kind of
took a miracle to get them to that tenth win
and get them into the playoffs. It's almost impossible. How

(04:51):
bad the Raiders have been. Almost impossible. But I think
it's do I think that peak Harrold is in Caple
I do not do. I think it's his first year.
I do. And this is the classic house that somebody
decided to redo a long time ago, and now we've

(05:12):
gone through five different contractors, and it has no theme,
it has no feel, and no one knows exactly what
it is other than hey, this used to be a
really cool house in a really cool spot and it
is not now, like we do. I'm not a harp
on the negative guy. Do we pick out negative things?

(05:34):
Is that part of sports radio? Of course it is,
but we don't. We don't ride the Jaguars, who, by
the way, won this weekend. We had Tuesday morning quarterback
in the afternoon upcoming, and I think the guys have
done a great job of some topics. Bless you Dan Byer,
Bless you Dan Byer. Bless you Dan Byer. Bless you
Dan Byers. Is that another one? Okay? Do you go

(05:57):
threes or forest? Dan?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Sometimes go five or six? To be honest, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
That's most people go three. Don't you guys go three?
I'm a three guy. If it goes over that third seed, sneeze.
I don't make you say anything nice about me period.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I'll just say this, I'm rare, but I do know
others like me that sneeze four or five six times
when we see Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
It's like a quick rabbit one for you. YEA, mine
are big like, blowout any of the brains left in
your head. Three sneezes, and then if I get to four,
just be done with me. Throw me away. I'm worthless.
But again, I want you to think about this. It's
one of those we're in a an era. College football

(06:39):
is taking this on and the NFL, you know, we
still get to it, which is like the second your
season feels like it's lost, fire the coach. Here's a
perfect example, and I'll grant you McDaniels. It didn't work, Pierce.
I don't know if it was working. I get the
feeling is not. Pete Carroll has one wherever he's been.

(07:07):
And obviously part of it was it was getting closer
to what grew, you know, grew building from four wins,
seven wins, eight wins, and then without him ten wins,
and then he was gone and they lost all of
their uncle you know, Uncle Moe after that. But if
there's ever been a case for sticking with the process,
not just change for change's sake, I give you the

(07:27):
Oakland Raiders and look, you know, three GMS in the
last three years, tack five in the last five years.
This is what it looks like. This is that's five contractors.
That's everybody has their own idea and nobody sticks with
the previous idea, and you keep moving out parts and
moving in quarterbacks. Yes, Pete Carroll continues. They they decided

(07:50):
Gino was worth it. He's not. He's just not. He
topped out a while back. He's a better version of
what he used to be. And now he's getting older,
and he's not protected particularly well. And they don't have
great weapons, you know, and this is what they do.
But I mean in terms of how much the Raiders

(08:11):
are talked about, all the good feelings you get rooting
for them, or feelings of the past, or maybe you
don't like the Raiders or don't like their fans, whatever,
I mean, in terms of actual success, think about that.
The Raiders have had two seasons of double digit wins
in the last twenty three years. They've had six seasons

(08:34):
of five hundred or better. That's laughingstock of the NFL.
And it's not for a lack of trying. It's not
for not having really good people involved. And it's not
for an owner who you know, previously didn't have any money.
They have money since moving to Vegas. They've just had way, way, way, way, way.

(08:58):
Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians, and too many
different directions, too many different ideas when just stick with
one plan and ride it out. And you know, it's
covered up by the fact that they had the one
playoff year. They've been to the playoffs twice, you know,
sixteen and twenty one, but even two playoff appearances since

(09:20):
twenty three. That's unbelievable, unbelievable. But the Raiders went from
you know, when Gruden was there the first time, it
was only four years. It was eight and eight, eight
and eight, twelve, ten wins. Then he left and they

(09:40):
went to the Super Bowl, and then the bottom fell out,
and it was just bad decision after bad decision after
bad decision. And it's almost it's more impressive to me
how many good people have not been able to figure
out the Raiders Rub's cube than it is people that
can figure out the rebscue for somebody else. I mean, Dan,

(10:07):
you study this thing. And by the way, this has
been all of for all of our time. And when
I say all of our I mean Jason, Dan and I.
Jason's worked in the business a little bit longer than
Dan and I, but generally about twenty five years. I mean,
you think about it, for most of the twenty a
quarter century, the Raiders have been a non competitive football

(10:30):
team in the NFL. That seems that seems almost impossible
considering the image of who the Raiders are supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, and you said that you don't think that it's ownership,
but I do like that's the constant, because what else
could you blame it on. Right, They've tried so many
different things, and maybe it's because they've stuck with certain

(11:00):
things longer and haven't stuck with other things for as
long as they should. And I think that that's the problem.
I think that ownership and Mark Davis are trying so
many different things and I think that this one is
one that is doomed to fail. And when you look
at bringing Pete Carroll in, there's there's there's a point,

(11:22):
and I know they're going to need time to build
a roster, but realistically, the game may have passed Pete
Carroll by because the game has changed dramatically in the
last five years. It's changed in the last ten years.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Hold me, let me, let me ask you a question, Okay,
And you're talking about his incredibly conservative nature as a coach.
So what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
So, yeah, talking about yeah, a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Okay, correct, Who's been the best team in the NFL
the past two years? Fair to say the Eagles?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Okay, I mean the other team would be the Chiefs.
And the honestly honesty was last year in the regular season,
the Chiefs were extremely conservative offensively right, because their offense
won very good. They won bit based upon their defense.
So I understand what you're saying and that it may
have passed them by. It may have, but we have
teams being really successful being very conservative.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I'm not talking about going forward on fourth down. I'm
not talking about punting it in that situation. I'm talking
about that everything Like for Pete Carroll, the whole mantra
for Pete Carroll's entire career has been compete. And again
this is a small part of this twenty five year
window that you're talking about. Pete Carroll wants to win everything.

(12:40):
He wants to win at everything, whether they have the
pieces or not. So they're likely going to max out
because they are trying to win now. They are trying
to do their things now. I don't think that it's
a surprise that the Seahawks roster has turned into pretty
good roster since Pete Carroll gone, yes, and trying to

(13:03):
find an identity of being who you are. And this
is on the heels of the reason why I think
that Pete Carroll was brought in was to compete right away,
to maybe win nine games. But that's where you don't
want to be in the National Football League, which is
your point at the beginning of the segment of being
in that middle part of like that's where half the
league is, and that would be a success for the

(13:26):
Raiders right now, right, but that's yeah, where they're going
to max out at. So that's my point about like
with Pete Carroll being there.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
No, you're right, Okay, but okay, so let's get to
let's just get to the failings of this year. Okay,
failings of this year. If we start with why would
you hire Pete Carroll? It was a weird hire, Mike,
And the guess is, just like anybody in coaching and
lots of businesses, you do the opposite of what you
did previously. Previously, they had a completely unproven coach who

(13:58):
is an interim head coach, which a still kind of
a former player, and they felt like the discipline was
missing and the knowledge in the history, so they went
with the most experienced guy they could get. Right, that's
the logic bind it. Yeah, again, I'm not saying I
agree with the logical. Pete Carroll would have been the hire,
and it's not a weird hire to you and me.

(14:19):
But the point is that instead of going after like
a Lincoln Riley and saying, hey, here's a dynamic offensive
play caller, who give him a couple of years, he'll
figure out the NFL and we may get a John
Gruden before he was John Gruden type of thing, they
did what so many people in business do, which is,
if the previous one doesn't go well, hire the compoler opposite.

(14:40):
And they did, and they did, yes, and he brought
with him a quarterback who had begun to get exposed
last year. Remember you go back a couple of years
ago and Gino Smith early on the year was the
feel good story and you watched the Seahawks. So I
don't need to tell you, but I could tell everybody
else Gino wasn't good last year with the Seahawks. It

(15:01):
shouldn't be a surprise. It just should not. You know
last year with the Seahawks twenty one touchdowns, fifteen interceptions. Hey,
they were solid ten and seven, but not because of him.
He was seventy percent completion percentage. Why just throws he
could make and nothing else. Right, Again, this is to

(15:21):
your point, the Pete Carroll style, right, extremely conservative, But
you do get to a point where when you have
less talent on your roster that at some point the
quarterback is gonna have to carry you. And Gino isn't
and hasn't been truly capable of carrying anybody. And that's
got exposed factor in a weaker offensive line, factor in

(15:42):
not enough skill bosness some players, the defense isn't there,
and yeah, it's been an abject disaster. Now do I
think that's fire Pete Carroll, No, because then you're gonna
have to start all over. But the logic behind Pete
Carroll's hiring was, Hey, we took we were way too inexperienced.
Now we're super experienced, and they've missed on both and
I don't know where they are in the future.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, and their super experience to the seventy four year
old head coach and a quarterback who is likely riding
off into the sunset of his career.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, And it's that quick decision to try to or
that decision to to move off of Antonio Pierce, which
was the decision to keep him because guess what, the
Patriot Way Las Vegas Style with Josh McDaniels and Dave
Ziggler didn't work out. Your guy Telesco's there for a year,
he's gone like this is it's just over and over,

(16:34):
like Gruden gets pushed out.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
No, that's that's where you want to say ownership. I
will completely agree with you, and I do think like
if you're going to give the owner credit, and I would,
which is unlike his dad. I don't think he gets
involved in the game planning or in the player personnel stuff.
But he is impetuous and he does want to win.

(16:57):
And wanting to win is great, okay, But one to
win and constantly moving around pieces and firing guys whatever
and listening to the wrong people is not, you know,
is not. I mean obviously, I emotionally, I'm sitting there
going you hired Tom Telesco, you give him one draft,
and then you decide we're going to pull the plug

(17:18):
because you felt like Tom Telesco was tied to your
coach who was hired before you ever he ever got
him there. I thought, think that's the mistake, right, whether
you like or don't like Tom Telesco, and I do, right,
he did draft you the rookie of the year, didn't
he right? His reward was he got fired for drafting you,
the rookie of the year who happened to be a
tight end and not a quarterback who wasn't really available,

(17:41):
or they would have had to move so many pieces
to get a quarterback that they wouldn't have had anything
else on the roster.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
So yeah, I think the I think the the Raiders
are a mess. That the story of last night is
that despite all of our not our because I don't
do it, but so many people on radio and television
and digital maybe print for people who still read newspapers. Okay,

(18:11):
the overall narrative is the Cowboys or mess. Jerry Jones
is too involved the Can you say that Jerry Jones
too involved? Sure? Does he have ad drama that doesn't
previouslyst Sure? Do they always have a hold up, holdout
which tends to bring attention sometimes negative leader team? Yes?
But they've done a better job of drafting, they've been

(18:34):
more competitive, more relevant than the Raiders, not even close.
And he made a coaching change over the offseason, kept
his gentle manager it happens to be him, and hired
Brian Schottenheimer, who no one gave any sort of praise
to when he was hired. No one did. And yet

(18:55):
feels like they did a much better job than the Raiders,
who tried to clean house again and went and got
a retread coach who brought his retread quarterback. And they're
in the exact same position they seem to have been
for the last twenty years, with no quarterback, too many
pieces that they need, and a coach who probably doesn't
fit the whole rebuild process. How'd I do that?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's a very good summation. And I understand they've had
issues on the offensive line as well, Doug. But even
if you have Colton Miller, you know Jackson Powers, Johnson
went out last week against Denver, he's done for the year.
Even if you have those guys, you're still maxing out
at seven eight wins.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yep, yep, yep. And that is purgatory. That's purgatory. The
good news is they're in position to potentially draft a
big time quarterback. The bad news is you have a
coach who's going to draft a big time quarterback and
have him hand the ball off for thirty times a game.
Gotta find the right guy. Gotta find the right guy.

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a college football insider. We'll get his thoughts on all
of these open jobs and what happens. But we'd like

(21:35):
to do this on a Tuesday. You know, we don't
all get memos on what to talk about. But it
is pretty easy to talk about the main headlines in
an NFL weekend, but there's lots of things that go
by the wayside. We may have missed. We get to
it with Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Well, Tuesday, to team, this is Tuesday morning quarterback in
the afternoon. Mondays can be overwhelming Tuesdays getting to whatever
we didn't get.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
To on Monday.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, this is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Okay, let's get to Dan Bayer. Dan, you sit in
the studio on a Sunday afternoon and I'm sure there's
a million things going on and something that you're like, Man,
I wish I would have gotten to it. What is it?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, Doug, I was ready to take the low hanging
fruit that is Vikings quarterback JJ McCarthy and just really
how awful he has been and the narrative around JJ
McCarthy finally started to see it over the last couple
of weeks of Yeah, I don't care about the fourth
quarter heroics. There's major issues with JJ McCarthy awful throws

(22:45):
throughout the day against the Chicago Bears. But I want
to talk about the team that the Vikings lost to,
and that is those Chicago Bears, because in my algorithm
on tiktop TikTok, I have seen it on x the
Bears getting a lot of law as they are the
top team now in the NFC North, sitting there at
seven and three, and it's a Bears team, Doug, that

(23:08):
I think that people are starting to really fall in
love with. And I'm wondering why, like, why is this
Bears team becoming a algorithm lover? And I think it's
Ben Johnson. But I want to warn people because I
don't think that the Bears are actually that good. When
you look at what the Bears have done in their
last five six games, They've won three in a row.

(23:30):
They've now won seven of eight. They've gotten wins against
the Vikings saved by a kick return at the end
of the game that basically put them in field goal position.
They needed Jackson Dart to get knocked out of a
game against the Giants in the to win and rally
in the fourth quarter. Heck, they needed the Bengals to
make an awful attempt to tackle Colston Loveland to survive.

(23:54):
Against Cincinnati, they barely beat the OA Jins they barely
beat the Saints. They beat the Saints by two, but
they barely got past the Commanders on a crazy night
in DC a few weeks back. And then they want
a wild affair against the Raiders. You want to talk
about the worst of the worst that the Bears have
been beating and doing so just barely. It's that string

(24:16):
and reality is about to welcome the Chicago Bears, as
they've got matchups with the Packers coming up in a
couple of weeks, two of them. They got the Steelers
this weekend, a trip to Philadelphia on Black Friday. So
enjoy it now, Bears fans. And I'm not rubbing it
into their face. It's just the point of I don't
think they're seven and three good, and I think we're

(24:37):
about to find out that's just the case over these
next couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Fools Gold Bears are fools Gold. Yes, stan Byer.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Caleb Williams is running around, running for his life at
some times throwing rocket balls, as Mike Holmgren used to
call them. But there isn't They are running the ball
better like Swift and and young Guy are a much
better duo then maybe we would have thought at the
beginning of the season. I think they have a better
run game. But for all of the tweets that we

(25:07):
see Bears on top of the division first time since
twenty eighteen, Adam Schefter sent one of those today, they're
on top of the division via record, But I don't
think as a team they are the best team in
the NFC North by a long shot.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
No can I mean catching First of all, I completely
agree with you completely. It's one of the things that
drives me crazy about the NFL that we do in
college football but we refuse to do in the NFL,
which is take schedule into play all right, We just
don't you know, Bears wins are over the Cowboys, the Raiders,

(25:40):
the Commanders, the Saints, the Bengals, the Giants, the Vikings.
Those are the wins are any of those playoff teams? No, No,
So does it take away from the fact that last
year they couldn't beat the non playoff teams. No, Listen,
it would be fair to say, hey, the last couple
of years they couldn't beat anybody playoffs, non play so

(26:01):
it's improvement. But let me know after they play the
Eagles Packers back to back games, how this Bears team looks.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
And Doug, you and Dan are not, and maybe Jason
are not. The only ones that are skeptical of the
Bears are very own. Jonas Knox, who's been a Bears
fan of his whole life, I believe a week or
two ago on the Challenge on NBC here in Los Angeles,
he said that they were the worst six and three
team he's ever seen. So put that into consideration that, yeah,
the record is nice, but it might be fool's gold,

(26:35):
as Jason called him.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Okay, let's get to Jason Stewart take it.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
I'll take it from here.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
The Sam, I'll take it from here.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Sorry to switch them things around on my board there,
slow in the draw man, go back to you, Jason.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
I want the Chiefs to make the playoffs. That's that's
the headline. Here's the filler.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Last year I talked Dan Bayer into it's an amazing
storyline that we should get paid more attention to that
the Chiefs are going after the third straight Super Bowl championship.
Nobody had ever done it, especially in our lifetimes anyways,
So we should appreciate greatness, and we have great things
to talk about with greatness. Now I need them to

(27:25):
get into the playoffs. You guys ever watched like your
favorite movie or your favorite maybe you're streaming a good
series and the villain that you invest nine episodes in,
the great character that took a lot of writing and
a lot of build up, is just kind of killed
off quickly at the end, like shot to death, and

(27:46):
you're like, wait a minute, I invested all this time
for him just to be shot. There was no elongated scene,
no suffering. I don't want somebody to be a Super
Bowl champ or win the AFC without going through the Chiefs.
It seems like if this is going to be the
end of the dynasty, I want them to at the

(28:06):
very least be able to defend themselves in the playoffs
and get beaten in the playoffs before the dynasty ends.
If they don't make the playoffs, it'll be kind of
anti climactic. So I'm rooting for the Chiefs to get in.
They don't need to win once they get in. But
I think it would be a good story for the
NFL if the Chiefs didn't come up short and not

(28:26):
make the playoffs. Does that make sense to you all?

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yes, I think the lasting image of the Titans beating
Tom Brady and the Patriots in that wild Card round
game where Brady gets picked off at the end because
they were backed up for a pick six, Like that
is an end to the dynasty, like to that point.
So when you're doing the documentaries, I mean, unfortunately we've

(28:51):
had like eight on the Patriots already and it's only
been like five years. But the point being is you
need that sort of conclusion. And I felt that because
the Titans beat the Patriots, it felt like, Okay, you
knocked him out in the playoffs, like that's the end.
I agree with Jason.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
I mean, if you're if you're like the Knicks and
or the Rockets in ninety four, that had to feel
pretty empty. The Knicks went in the East and the
Rockets went in the title nobody had to go through Jordan.
You know, there was no villain to hand the baton
to or whatever.

Speaker 6 (29:25):
So Jason, you're saying that the Chiefs deserve of true
villain's death, like falling into a vat of acid and
burning up slowly. Yes, that just something really dramatic.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Acid. Okay, I'm gonna go here, Sammy, go ahead. Dan
Campbell is making the classic mistake that coaches make, which
is he's feeling himself. Feeling himself. So look, Dan Campbell
played what a decade and that football league as a

(30:01):
tight end, and he's hired obviously very very good coaches.
We talked about Ben Johnson, or at least Dan Byer
did earlier. Nowhere in his coaching career has he called plays.
And so his answer to the Lions offense struggling with
a new play caller is to call plays. And what
it looks like is he's a guy who he if

(30:25):
we call it, we call it Twitter play call it right,
if you go on to Twitter, or you go on
to ex whatever you want to call it, and if
it's in your algorithm, you'll see some awesome sets in basketball, college,
high school, overseas, pro, NBA, and you can pick out
a couple of them. Okay, but you can't just run
a couple of cool plays and hope to be good offensively.

(30:48):
It has to kind of all work together. People have
raved at about Dan Campbell's you know, his forward thinking,
go forward on fourth down and even if you don't
get it, don't worry about it. These are mistakes, but
aggressive mistakes. So you factor in that he's going for

(31:08):
on fourth down just because well, that's what we do.
He's calling plays when he hasn't called plays before, and
he's not doing what really smart people, and I think
Dan is really smart people do, which is hire people
who know what you don't know and then let them
do their job. This is the hardest thing for me,
you know. And look, I haven't had the success of
Dan Campbell yet, haven't had it yet. But I hired

(31:31):
some really good assistant coaches, and I find myself during games,
especially we're playing a big game against Minnesota Saturday, asking it, Hey,
your opinion, who do you want in there defensively? I
know what I want to do offensively, but it's got
to marry with who you trust in there, so we're
working all together. I let them call the defense and
switch it. I'll let them call the guys who I

(31:51):
have a coach who's coached for fifty years. If he says, hey,
make this adjustment offensively, I'm gonna listen to him. And
I just think that Dan Campbell. There's a lot of
things off about the Lions, but the biggest thing that's
off is you took away their superpower, which was creative
play calling, and you had a guy who previously maligned
was like your new Matt Ryan, just accurate as hell,

(32:13):
steady as hell, and now he's a mess. And I
think that's because you have an inexperienced play caller who's
the coach's kind of feeling himself and doing what they
do even though he's never done this play calling before.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
Isn't him taking over the play calling an admission that
he chose wrong for the offensive coordinator? Isn't this him
kind of midstream admitting a mistake And this is the
only thing you could think of to remedy.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
This probably probably, But you know again, when you said, hey,
I'll do it myself and then you draw outside the lines,
you know you're sitting there going what are we doing here?
But yes, it does feel that way.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Remember they lost both coordinators to head coaching jobs, yep.
And those guys will also take They're guys that they
have on staff.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Sure, anybody they're close with, they relate to, they're bringing
with them because they're going to elevate them.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Correct. So, like Tanner, Engstrand is the Jets offensive coordinator,
he was the Lion's passing game coordinator, last season that
could have been a natural fit, but instead Aaron Glenn
takes him to New York to be It's.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
The best point Dan you can make is we always
look at the very top line guys that go and
not realize that when you have success, and they had
a lot of success, it's not just your coordinators to
become head coach, it's all the other staff. And then
you're caught like, do we stick with the same verbiage?
Do we break in new verbiage? Exactly? What do we do?
And they are stuck because they looked mystified by the Eagles,

(33:49):
just mystified by the Eagles. Sam, what do you got?

Speaker 6 (33:53):
So I looked this up. The Chargers are actually slight
road favorites against the Jaguars this past weekend. So when
the Jaguars won thirty five to six, a beatdown over
a good Charger team, a beat up, but a good
Chargers team, I was surprised and it left me with
the question are the Jaguars actually good? And I think

(34:13):
that the jury is still out on that they.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Have nice Well, hold, let me help you with that.
What is good? Well?

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Good as a playoff team, they look like they're headed
for the playoffs, they've got some nice wins.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
They've got to.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
Win over a Carolina team that has is over five hundred,
a Houston team that looks like it's figuring things out.
I know they CJ Strode back. They've went over the Niners,
they went over the Chiefs, and they've went over the Chargers.
And then I look at Trevor Lawrence. Soo, this is
his fifth year in the league, and I just don't know.
He's still a mystery. He doesn't have any three hundred
yard passing games this year. He has six games with

(34:47):
just one touchdown pass and he has one game with
three touchdown passes, but that was a loss. So he's
he's he's in the let's see he's in. Just looking
at my mini tabs open here, I was gonna say
he's well. On a second, he's bottom half of the
league in touchdown passes, he's bottom half of the league
in interceptions, he's top half in in passing yards, and

(35:11):
then his quarterback rating is pretty low. So the Jaguars
are a mystery because you don't have Liam Cohen has
doesn't have a long track record as a head coach. Obviously,
Trevor Lawrence is up and down, and the running game
is good. But I just I wonder this, what if
you took Daniel Jones from the AFC South leading Indianapolis
Colts and you put him on the Jags and you
put Trevor Lawrence on the Colts with that offensive line

(35:33):
and Jonathan Taylor. What kind of result would you have?
Because when he was coming out of when Trevor Lawrence
was coming out of Clemson, you know, he looked like
a surefire Pro Bowl quarterback. And it's been up and down.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
No, he's one of the highest the highest rated draftees
we've seen.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
And that was wrong. That was dead wrong. The can't
miss thing, you can't say, can't miss mediocre career.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
So what do we How would you term it? Would
you go very unlikely to miss? No, I'm asking, I'm
not being Syracuse, I'm not being a jerk in any way.
I'm saying, like, honestly, how would you guys word it?
Because you're right, like the whole can't miss thing you
can miss? And they did.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
He had a twenty five and eight season in twenty
twenty two. Was that the year they beat the Chargers
in that comeback?

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yes? Right?

Speaker 6 (36:22):
And then he had a twenty one touchdown fourteen interception,
and last year, I know it was bad, only eleven touchdowns.
This year he's got eleven so far. But what he'll
probably finish with I don't know, sixteen to eighteen. So
he's just kind of middle of the pack right now
in terms of his so far in his career.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I think your question on whether the Jaguar, that's ultimately
whether the Jaguars for real, And it goes back to
when you talk about who they beat. I think that
you have to take them seriously considering the wins over
the teams that they have. Maybe the forty nine Ers
weren't playing as well as they could be now with
the healthy Brock party, but they beat him in week four.

(37:00):
They beat the Panthers in week one. Guess what Panthers
are sitting there at six and five? They beat the Chiefs,
destroyed the Chargers. I understand that the Chargers had a
Sunday night game, physical matchup against the Steelers, and then
you're playing across the country Sunday one o'clock Eastern time kick.
It's tough to do, but that's not thirty five to
six like that's like so at least give them credit

(37:24):
for that. And you've got two more games coming up
against you haven't played the Titans yet this year. You've
got a game against the Cardinals that's winnable this Sunday,
and you have the Jets. Aside for the fact that
you have two divisional games against the Colts that if
you do beat them, you could be in the thick
of it for winning your division. Whether we believe in

(37:45):
them or not, the Jaguars are going to be there
at the end. Can I just say one more thing.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
I was about ready to start fading the Jaguars when
they were losing three or four games and they're only winning.
There was an overtime win over the hapless Raiders, but
that thirty five to six win over the Chargers, I
was like, wow, it was very impressive.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Also, look at who they lost in those three of
the four Seahawks and Rams up two of the better teams.
They actually were beating the Texans. They were up nineteen
in that game and Houston had the crazy comeback scores,
the defensive touchdown at the end. So yeah, a game
that they should have won. They'd tell you that they
should have won that one, and maybe would have been

(38:23):
more of a case to be one of the teams
to believe in.

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(39:34):
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He joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. John the Raiders.

(39:55):
I've been in this field since two thousand and three.
That's when I started. I filled in beforehand. In the
time in which I've been in national radio twenty two years,
they've made the playoffs twice. They've had ten wins or
more in both of those years. They've only been five
hundred four other times four other times. How can you

(40:20):
in a league that prides itself on half the teams
that make the playoffs one year don't make it the
next year. How have the Raiders been so consistently bad well.

Speaker 7 (40:31):
For a long time.

Speaker 8 (40:32):
When they played at the coliseum, which is obviously a
historic dump right now and every team in Oakland has
left over the last five or six years, but they
didn't have the money. You know, they were falling way
behind in kind of an armed race. I mean, the
NFL is different than college but they were in terms
of revenue generation at the bottom. So they moved to Vegas,

(40:54):
which ultimately was the right call from a money standpoint.
They involved Brady in some of his money. Guys, they
have way more money now. It's about hiring the right guys.
I do think Mark Davis has tried right. He tried
to hire John Gruden, gave him a hundred million dollars.

Speaker 7 (41:09):
That thing blew up in his space.

Speaker 8 (41:10):
Tried to hire Josh McDaniels. That thing blew up in
his face. I do think Fight Deck was a fantastic
GM candidate and is good at his job. But you know,
and I don't know, obviously they're it's not his call
to just hire Pete Carroll, And I honestly didn't think
it was that crazy. You have a hire, you get
this guy who clearly still has the passion. Like I

(41:32):
understand he's older, but he looks a lot younger.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
His energy is not an issue. But I do think
there is just like this thing is not going to.

Speaker 8 (41:39):
Work because this guy, and rightfully so, you're seventy four
years old.

Speaker 7 (41:43):
Like I think they thought they could be confound ten wins.

Speaker 8 (41:46):
No, but you know, a frisky seven to nine win
team this year.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Who thought it was a seven to nine win team though, well.

Speaker 8 (41:53):
Pete, because otherwise you trade Mac Crosby this offseason. You
don't keep if you think you're a.

Speaker 7 (41:58):
Three win team, which they are head to be.

Speaker 8 (42:00):
You don't hire Max Crosby, or you don't resign Max Crosby.

Speaker 7 (42:04):
You trade him for multiple ones.

Speaker 8 (42:06):
When his values at an all time high and teams
are lined up trying to get Michael Parsons, Miles Garrett
and hopefully Max Crosby.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
And I mean, look at the Browns.

Speaker 8 (42:14):
I mean they just made a mistake, simply put, because
they're they're.

Speaker 7 (42:18):
Losing every single week. And this guy's like Lawrence Taylor.

Speaker 8 (42:20):
It's a waste, and you draft a running back really high.
And I also think listens, Pete. Carroll's fired a lot
of offensive coordinators. She has no connection with Chip Kelly.
Chip Kelly's become like this mercenary guy and he got
eighteen million dollars. I mean, you talk about I watched
this Ponzi scheme thing going on Amazon Prime about it
called the Hollywood Hustler. He's got a pretty good hustle

(42:42):
going right now. I mean, the offense is embarrassing. You
can be well, John, they don't have any offensive lineman.
If you're a good offensive coordinator and you've got some
of these weapons, you should at least be able to
manipulate some plays. And clearly, I think Geno's comments after
the game were like, listen, I'm not the biggest Geno.

Speaker 7 (42:59):
Guy, but he's proven over the last couple years.

Speaker 8 (43:01):
You just give him somewhat credible, you know, operation he's okay.

Speaker 7 (43:05):
I mean, he looks worse and worse by the week.
He's like, just blame me.

Speaker 8 (43:08):
I mean, I think he's saying a tongue of cheek.
I did the rated very disaster, and I think they are.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
That's the that's my takeaway. They are a disaster, not
even a good Cowboys team with a bad defense that
even the Cowboys are like, look, we're just trying to
get through this year to rebuild the defense next year, right,
Like the Cowboys. At least they're realistic with who they are.

Speaker 8 (43:30):
Yeah, I mean that they made Dallas look like a
fourteen win team last night. You know, Dallas is a
seven or eight at best. But I think the difference
is like Dallas has some infrastructure.

Speaker 7 (43:41):
Here's the other thing, you know.

Speaker 8 (43:42):
Brian Schottenheimer took a lot of heat. Not even he did,
I mean the Cowboys did. But like he's proven, like
he's a good offensive coordinator and his rapport with his quarterback.
His offensive linemen are young. Who knows that they're any good,
but he can manipu. He's coaching up George Pickens, who.

Speaker 7 (43:56):
Mike Tomlin punning on.

Speaker 8 (43:57):
Like I'm watching Schottenheimer and go, I don't know how
good he is because we'll see that maybe next year
when they got better players.

Speaker 7 (44:03):
Sure, and people are like picking.

Speaker 8 (44:04):
Them to make the playoffs, but clearly he's good at
offense and players like him. You're watching the Raiders, You're like,
are they quitting on all these guys?

Speaker 7 (44:10):
Because that they're quitting on Pete, They're quitting on Chips.

Speaker 8 (44:13):
And I think, if I'm Brady, I get with fight
tech and I try to dis convince Mark, like, listen,
it's gonna be embarrassing. I think we just need to
kind of hire a young guy, trade everybody and just
kind of break this thing down to the studs.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Finally, Yeah, it's it's it's bad.

Speaker 8 (44:29):
So the Division two, Doug, I mean, the Chiefs are
having horrendous year. What are they going to go ten
and seven. You know, I mean it's they're not even
The division is way too hard, the three coaches and
the infrastructure, with the Chargers now and obviously the Chiefs
and the Broncos, it's just not gonna be a fair fight.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Okay, let's get to Siriani. I went when I was
at the Packers Eagles game, the next to last possession
on second down. The Packers have their full boat of
timeouts and they throw the ball on second down on
the other side of the two minute warning. That makes
no sense. Then they throw it on third down. It's incomplete,
so the Packers get the ball back, don't get anything punted,

(45:09):
and then he does it again. You know, going forward
on fourth down makes no sense at all, right, no sense.
So then this week they're in their own territory. They
got they got a two score lead, the Lions have
done nothing against them all day. Why are they going
forward on fourth down? What? I know, they've won both

(45:32):
of these games, I get it, But this is not
about results. It's about process. Isn't that the wrong process? Well?

Speaker 8 (45:38):
I think this week, I mean, they just they just
swear by the toushbush and whenever it gets stopped that.
They are just plumb exed, and so is most people watching.
So I think they're just gonna lean end of the day,
like if the Toush push, if it's a one yard situation,
they're gonna run the toushbush on the field. What they
could be backed up for their own goal line.

Speaker 7 (45:56):
I think the previous week end of the day.

Speaker 8 (45:57):
The Eagles philosophical beliefs as an organization, Like when they
showed if you were at the game, you didn't see,
but they showed Jeffrey Lewie in the the game.

Speaker 7 (46:07):
I mean they're winning.

Speaker 8 (46:08):
They've won like twenty two of their last twenty six games.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
He looks like he's wants the fallout of the box.

Speaker 8 (46:15):
You know why, because Jeffrey Leary loves offense. Jeffrey Leary
likes to throw the ball, like all those years of
the Indy reas.

Speaker 7 (46:20):
He throws the ball too much.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
Jeffrey Leary's on board, you know, analytically, like going four
on fourth down, like he believes in what Dan Campbell's doing.

Speaker 7 (46:27):
Like the organization promotes that.

Speaker 8 (46:29):
So they they look at Dick Sirianni's kind of taking
the marching orders, you know, And I think he knows,
because you wouldn't do that if, like, if you did
that with the Steelers or the Giants, like they were
the equivalent of being this good, right, the old school
owners would freak out. That's just not the case in Philadelphia.
It's not only promoted, it is uh, it's it's celebrating.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Listen, I get it for most of the game. I
get it for most of the game. You have a
completely and thoroughly dominant defense. We're talking the last last minute,
two minutes of a football game. We're talking winning time
when all that stuff sounds good, but it's like, hey,
you haven't scored on my defense. I have a great defense.
All I got Like you go back to the Packer game.

(47:12):
Just take a knee twice? Hey, one first one, they
got to burn two timeouts, then they got two minute warning.
They have no chance. They had no chance, but they're
giving a chance.

Speaker 7 (47:22):
Made to pivot in ther identity.

Speaker 8 (47:24):
Like, I know, you're paying your quarterback and the wide
wide receivers a lot of money. But now that Fanzio
has a couple more weapons, you're gonna be You're gonna have,
you know, right there with Denver and Houston, Like one
of the best defense in the league.

Speaker 7 (47:36):
That's gonna be our identity.

Speaker 8 (47:37):
Run the ball, make it ugly, and I think they
just need to embrace it. But I'm just telling you
that's not how they think.

Speaker 7 (47:43):
It's why.

Speaker 8 (47:43):
Let's face it, most teams, once they started freaking out
and defending champs, might have been like, listen, let's just
punt on a first round pick.

Speaker 7 (47:51):
Let's just get out of this. But the Eagles just
don't think like that.

Speaker 8 (47:53):
They're gonna They're gonna keep promoting and try to pass like.

Speaker 7 (47:57):
They should stop passing it as much. It does not work.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
It does not work. This is the dog Gottlieb Shore.
You listened to Fox Sports Radio John metalclosts our guest,
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Did you see this happening in New England this quickly?

Speaker 7 (48:16):
I thought they were going to be good.

Speaker 8 (48:17):
Just when you look at the schedule, I think two
schedules really jumped out at the beginning of the season
were New England and San Francisco. It's like, it's gonna
be hard for these teams not to win ten games. Obviously,
the Niners have a million injuries. They look like they're
headed toward ten wins. I thought New England like the
forty nine ers, ten win team, not like thirteen or fourteen.

Speaker 7 (48:37):
So I now part of it is and.

Speaker 8 (48:39):
I think Belichick and Brady be the first tell you.
It's like, hey, you get four games against Miami and.

Speaker 7 (48:44):
The Jets, and that can be very lucrative to the
win loss record. So it's that's saying dividends. But their
quarterback is playing great. Obviously defensively they look much better.
You know, every move they've made.

Speaker 8 (48:58):
From like Diggs, I was like, why he's signed Diggs
torn a cl I mean, he's playing his butt off,
he's blocking, he's bought in and at the end of
the day, like say what you want about him, and
he can be you know, wide receivers have big personality,
you can drive people nut. He's been associated with winning
majority of his career. Right in Minnesota they were good,
went to Buffalo, they won a lot of games. He's

(49:19):
got a wide receiver personality, but.

Speaker 7 (49:21):
He is a winning player.

Speaker 8 (49:22):
And then, uh, I think when you factor into they
got some of these young guys. Listen, you know sometimes
you get a young guy he's not bought in on
the details. Well, now, It's like the Henderson, the running
back from Ohio State five touchdowns the last two weeks
has been I mean, if they start getting him going
because he's an explosive player.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
I think I saw the.

Speaker 8 (49:41):
Kyle Williams, the wide receiver from Washington State. It's got injured,
but you know he's his explosive speed. So the scary
part for everybody, this is probably going to be their
worst team over the course of the next couple of years.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yep, they're only going to get better. They're they're only
going to.

Speaker 8 (49:58):
Buffalo was in trouble and I think they knew it.
You know, that game against Tampa was must win once
you factored in that New England and won on Thursday,
and Tampa was bringing it. They had that kid from
Syracuse making plays.

Speaker 7 (50:09):
I thought, oh my god.

Speaker 8 (50:10):
And then Josh Allen basically just went like Steph Curry.
He's like, yeah, of course they see today. I can't
we can't lose.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Real real quick. Is it time to freak out about
Kansas City yet?

Speaker 8 (50:21):
Yeah, It's just I mean, it's just not gonna be
their year. I mean, I think when the Dust battles,
they still end up ten and seven and probably six
or seven seeds. But like this happened in New England
that they had some weird years over and they're gonna
have to pivot, right, You're gonna have to hit on
some players in the draft to become your Devin mccordy.
You're Dante high Tower, You're Julian Edelman and have this

(50:43):
second iteration of the group because Travis Kelcey probably retires,
if not this year, next year, and Chris Jones is
you know, a fifty percent of the game's player at
this point, so they're gonna.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
Heat on a couple of guys.

Speaker 8 (50:55):
They already got some young players, so let's face it,
they're gonna need Pat Homes to play a little better.

Speaker 7 (51:02):
You know, he's he's he's an all time great. But
we got David Worthy for a reason. You got to
hit him down the field, no question.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
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