THE BEST OF THE WEEK OF THE DOUG GOTTLIEB SHOW

On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug welcomes for NFL Executive Andrew Brandt onto the show to discuss the Jets' decision to fire their head coach. Doug and Dan Beyer discuss the firing. 

In this version of The Midway, Doug and the crew discuss the best teams of all time to have never won a championship.  

Doug and the crew focus on sports in 2012 in this edition of "Don't Call It A Throwback...Thursday."

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:23):
You're on Fox Sports Radio. Oh yeah, that's right. Hockey
is coming back as well, hockey preseason basketball. Yeah, there's
interesting goings ons. I the Russell Wilson that's still the
backup is really telling, really telling. You know. I still

(00:45):
don't understand why Mike Tomlin didn't as still hasn't the
name justin fields like the starter and Russell Wilson the backup.
Obviously it'll hurt his ego, but like you already have
him to do second team reps. Not sure what's totally
behind that one. I don't know. Let's welcome in. Andrew Brandt,
former executive with the Packers, host of The Business Sports

(01:08):
podcast and The DraftKings Network, also author of the Seven
Sunday Seven newsletter. You just fall on social media. All
the instructions are there to sign up for the Sunday
seven newsletter. What's the reaction to Robert Salad being fired
so early in the season.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
It is early. I didn't expect it. I thought that
they would give him more time, and give any coach
more time than five weeks into the season, especially with
an overseas game, especially with a total rein out game
that he had against the Broncos. But you know, it's
part of an organizational problem with that franchise that I've seen,
where it just seems like a lot of moves are

(01:42):
being made that don't seem to be in coordination with
the other side of the organization. Doug, I don't think
the front off has helped him out. You know. I
think that getting Aaron was a big lift for this organization,
and obviously it created so much excitement and buzz around
it last year, but it hasn't matched with the young talent,

(02:06):
so it's just not working in a way that they
thought it would. They traded a lot for Aaron, who
is never going to play down for the Packers again.
They traded a third round pick for a Son Reddick,
who is choosing to forfeit eight hundred thousand a week
to not show up there. So there's something more endemic,
I think than the head coach here.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
What do you think it is.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Organizationally? You know, the best organizations seem to be on
the same page with management, with coaching, with personnel, with
cap and contracts. I just don't sense it there. I
just don't sense the plan. You know, the plan is
to give up a lot for Aaron. I get it,
Aaron's superstar, but you have a defensive minded coach. You

(02:54):
have a lot of talent they've used on defense. It's
not playing well. I think the bigger issue is not
Aaron himself. As you know, I'm a big fan of Aaron,
have known him for a long long time. But from
the moment he was still a member of the Packers.
As you know, they flew out there, they kissed his ring,
they sat in Malibu for four hours and begging to play.

(03:18):
That creates a power dynamic that you're not used to
in sports, where this guy's coming in and suddenly or
not so subtly wanted Alan Lazard, big contract, Randall Cobb
and maybe wanted the back of quarterback Boyle I mean,
it just seems like, you know, the reason Aaron had
problem with the Packers is that they said, way we're

(03:40):
doing management, you'll do playing, and that wasn't the case here.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Is there any saving it, because I would say it's
not just coaching, like he's not the same player. Is
there any saving it?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, again, it's an early look at Aaron. If we're
talking about Aaron, he hasn't played in the year and
he can still spin it. He's not moving as well obviously,
but you know, he doesn't seem to be the MVP
was a few years ago. He's still going to be
a top take a number ten, twelve quarterback in the league.
That part is fine. They don't seem to be getting

(04:16):
out of the running back what they hoped for in
haul and the defense hasn't lived up those expectations. So
maybe that's coaching. Maybe it's leadership. Like I mentioned with Aaron,
I mean, there seemed to be a little bit of
tension with the head coach. I know he denied it,
but one guy is saying something about the cadence. The

(04:37):
other guy's saying, no, it's not the cadence. You know,
It's like maybe that change can help. Maybe there's more
symbiotic relationship between leadership and the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Andrew Brandt's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Nobody liked the Danny Dimes contract
the second it was signed. Too much money, playing pretty
well now and we got a long way to go, right,
We're five weeks in. It's a long long way Togo.
The last twelve weeks feel like feel like fifty. But

(05:09):
what are the Giants' options moving forward?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, you know, when we talked two years ago, I
said to you, I said, what are you going to
do if you don't? And that's always the discussion. You know,
you can bemoan Danny, you can bemoan the fact that
market was X at that time, forty million a year,
But what are you going to do? You're going to
start over with a quarterback or are you going to
pay it? They decided to pay it now. As I
always talk about, on these quarterback contracts or any contracts,

(05:37):
they're never fully guaranteed except for Watson, and they can
get out. So they've got ten weeks or twelve weeks
to figure out do they get out or they not
get out? Because the guarantees two years. This will be
two years at forty million a year, and then they
decide what to do. You know, everybody loves getting on
Danny when he plays badly. Obviously he played well last week.

(06:00):
We'll see where it goes. But you know, to me
the test case and we can put aside the concussion talk.
Doug is with Tua because I thought that was a
situation where the team would say, all right, we're just
gonna wait on this because if we pay him, we
got to pay him fifty plus million a year and
why not wait. But they didn't wait. They jumped in.

(06:24):
So just like Danny two years ago, we have Tua
this year. And it's like teams just are scared of
not doing a deal, maybe scared of franchise tag, maybe
scared of things like that same thing with Dak Prescott.
It's like you're scared of the unknown. And I guess
I understand that, but you have to make a decision.

(06:45):
Are you going to jump in at what is now
fifty plus sixty million a year? Are you going to
take your chances?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
It's fast. Speaking of Tua, we've discussed this on the show.
So what's the status of the remainder of his contract
in regards if he retires, if he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Retire a little complicated, but stay with me. If he retires,
you know, he's got forty three million this year, forty
two million of it in a signing bonus that's his.
But I say that with the caveat that a guy
just can't take a huge signing bonus and retire. The
team has an ability to come after the per raded

(07:23):
part of the bonus that wasn't allocated in the first year.
Would the Dolphins do that? In reality, I wouldn't think so,
but again you have to note they would do they
would have an ability to do that. If he continues
to play or not retire and unable to play, you know,
he would activate his injury guarantee, which goes through twenty

(07:46):
twenty six, But that would be saying he would not
be able to play this year, next year, and the
year following. Based on a concussion in September of twenty
twenty four. I have a feeling he's going to be
wanting to play pretty soon, so that's unlikely. So I
think what happens is he may take longer than these

(08:09):
four weeks. But I know. The other discussion you probably had, Doug,
is this is a twenty six year old kid. It's
feeling great and just got a new contract. I don't
care how many doctors caution him. I do not see
him walking away. I just don't see it for a
twenty six year old it's feeling good now and has

(08:29):
a new contract. I just don't see it.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I know. But it wasn't like it was a huge.
It wasn't like he got crushed, you know, I know, and.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
So you know, medical, you know, help medical. He'll find
you know, if he's talking to doctors, there's somebody out
there that says, yeah, it's fine. I mean, and I
guess the bigger pictures how many twenty six year olds
are thinking about their life at forty six? Very very few,
very few. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, it's a it's a fast any one really really?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think fasting one.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Doug gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. A reminder
you can pick up the Sunday seven newsletter. It gets
the number seven my Sunday seven dot com. Andrew Brandt,
former executive with the Packers, host of the Business sports
podcast on the DraftKings Network. Of course, the author of
the Sunday seven newsletter. That's my Sunday seven dot com. Yeah,

(09:28):
I mean you mentioned the Cowboys with DAK, and you
know they had a great comeback win. But man, the
mistakes are are there? There's a there's some weird interaction
the sideline as well. What we I don't think we
talked since what's your reaction to Dallas acquiescing when they
were gonna hold firm and then ultimately extending DAK.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I don't get it. I was in Green Bay ten years.
My philosophy was get toom early, if not year before
free agency or two years before free agency, certainly at
the beginning of the off season February March. They waited,
they waited, they waited. The price went up. The price
went up, the price went up. I heard all along, Doug.

(10:11):
I think I told you this on the show a
few months ago, that the number with DAK was always
going to start with a sixth and I said, well,
dubas not going to do that, And they did it.
They did it on the morning of the opener. Just
shocking to me. They did it with Lamb. They wait
till the end. And what I've been doing, Doug with

(10:33):
the Cowboys is trying to put on my negotiating hat
because I know Jones is a smart guy. Why why
wait till the end and say top dollar. I can
only come up with, well, you know, you keep it
in your account till last minute, and then it goes
to their account at the last minute, so you save
a little money with interest whatever, or hey, Dak may

(10:56):
step in a hole, you know, Lamb may step in
a di I mean, I just it's hard for me
to come up with that reasoning other than those two ideas,
which aren't strong ones. I mean, it's just I don't
get it. You have I would have I would have
I would have let Dac play it out.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
You have worked with with Howie in the past as well.
That Jalen Hurts contract doesn't look like a good one.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Now, well, they did get to them early. They're under
the market or you know that year as soon as
he signed in Burrow and Herbert and Lamar, Lamar's different category.
We're pretty pretty far over that one. Not that I'm
not that's a cheap contract, but uh, let's get hurt

(11:45):
some more time. You know. I looked at one of
these odds things that they're still favored to win that division.
So so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
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Andrew Bran Andrew, thanks so much for joining us.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Always a bleacher.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Doug Stug got leave show here on Fox Sports Radio
byer Uh. What do you think, man? I respect and
appreciate your opinion on this thing, because you know, I've
been pro Aaron for a long time. I don't I'm
not saying I've changed and I'm anti Aeron. I just

(12:27):
I think he's the men's talent. But I definitely think
that this thing has gone sideways, and he played a
factor in it. But I also think that Robert Solad didn't.
It wasn't like you bepored himself as a great head
coach or some other things he said. And I think
that the cadence thing. Then all of a sudden, you
throw your offense coording to under the bus. I didn't
think that was a strong look. A week ago, what

(12:48):
do you think of the of the firing of Robert
slid a day.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
I am surprised. This has not been something that the
Jets have done before. I just this Rogers thing has
just not turned out for the New York Jets. And
you talked with it with Andrew Brandt there just a
little bit ago doesn't necessarily seem the same quarterback. Remember though,

(13:10):
that they were within a drive of possibly taking out
the Vikings. But Aaron Rodgers through his third interception of
the game in the in Vikings territory in London this
past weekend, So they were that close to knocking off
a four and zero team, one of two unbeatens in
the NFL. And it's the head coach that needs to go.

(13:34):
And that is just that surprising. But the thing that
I've thought about over the last couple of weeks, and
maybe this comes off of the book that we have
discussed on this show, but I don't know how in
the world, Robert Sala or anybody else there exists when
Aaron Rodgers wants to be the smartest man in the
room with everything, and we may roll our eyes, maybe

(13:58):
you believe in what he says. He's not talking about football,
that doesn't necessarily matter. What's his whole thing do your research,
read it, look it up. I can't imagine what it's
like dealing with that attitude, Doug, when he has twenty
years experience in doing that job. Like it's one thing
if you're talking about something that's political and you could

(14:21):
go back and forth on it, but there would be
no moving Aaron Rodgers off of his spot for something
that we know that he knows. And I can't imagine
that working relationship with the Jets. I mean, it's amazing
that Nathaniel Hackett is still around, but I think we
all know why he's still around because of Aaron Rodgers.
If there was anything that maybe needed to change with

(14:42):
the run game or whatever the case is, it's probably
that side of the ball. But I am just yeah,
it's just tough. This is not worked out and will
not work out with the Jets.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
You know, it's interesting. I sticking with you for a second,
see if if this makes sense to you guys. Okay,
so obviously, Brady, I think people forget that Brady for
a decade there was the most hated guy in the
NFL because he was quarterback of the Pats, right and
they were but remember this is the deflate gate. He

(15:13):
was he was seen as a liar and a cheater,
and of course that was like a decade after more
and even more after Spygate, and then he went to
Tampa and all of a sudden kind of reinvented his
image because it was away from Belichick, away from the
Patriots and ends up, you know, winning a Super Bowl. Now,
the real Brady, I thought came out two weeks ago

(15:36):
when you know, he talked about Baker Mayfield and it
wasn't it wasn't a daycare like. Turns out like he
was much He was just like Belichick in terms of
his drive to be great and his lack of willingness
to that. This is not kittily wings, This is not
designed for fun. This is the Nation Football League, and
we win championships here, right, So the image, the front
facing image is not really it's hard working, don't care,

(16:00):
don't care about you feelings, get to work. The point
is that there was some image rehab there because they
went to Tampa and win one. I think that that
Aaron was focused on image rehab. Going back to last year.
Remember he did all those things in New York and he
was happy and smiling, and then I'm all into the
process whenever, and then your two, the real Aaron Rodgers
came out like you can only fake it for so long,

(16:21):
and this is who he is? Was it Mark Murphy right,
who said? And I know I know mister Murphy. I'm
you know, I consider him a friend. I haven't asked
him about this, U But remember he was what was
the word that he said he was challenging? Was that
what he said?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (16:37):
It was something I can't remember and I don't want
to say it because I can't remember the official phrasing.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, And that's that's what it is. It's like he's demanding,
as any of these guys are of complicated fella complicated
fella yep. Yeah, And when you know, when you're with
somebody for a decade, you're like complicated fella, like yeah, yeah,
Like he demands everybody else, but they're asked and over

(17:05):
they're doing whatever. But then like yeah, in the it
is like man, I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go
to Egypt and doing a lot. You know, it's complicated
fella complicated fella.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
You know, you bring up Brady and I think it's
a really good point, Doug in terms of the rehabbing
of the image and now it's the real Aaron Rodgers
shows up if you will. But you also look at
the Patriots who didn't give in to Tom Brady like
they may have for that long period of time, but
in the end they decided that a move was needed
and they moved off of him. And I don't know

(17:36):
if it's apples to orange or you know, apples to apples,
maybe apples to oranges. But maybe this this is the
danger of doing it. Maybe the Jets looked at it
and said, gosh, the Patriots have fallen off without Brady.
They should have given him the power. We should give
all of our power to the to the quarterback that
that we want. But I just don't think those situations
usually work out.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
They do not. They do not. And look, if you
look at Brady's thing, you know, I mean, I do
think that he got Arians fired. I don't think there's
any question he got Aarons fired, you know. And I
think it's because Arians is the guy that you know,
he likes to have a good time, like, let's not
take it too seriously, five o'clock, let's go have a drink.
And he's like, I just don't work that way, and

(18:19):
Brady got to bring in a couple of his guys
didn't maybe have the autonomy. It's an interesting one. Here's
two quarterbacks and like we can throw Farv in there. Hey,
Farv went to New York. It was working well until
he decided to play through injury, which of course was
you know, part of that holding on that streak. Then

(18:40):
he goes to Minnesota. First year was great, second year
like he didn't want to come back. He comes back
and he's not very good, and then the Metrodome actually collapsed.
It was very symbolic to me, like here the team's
collapsing and Farbes's crew is collapsing. His streak is over,
and then the metro Dome collapse. But there's some interesting
case study that that with all of them, all of

(19:02):
them Byer, I know you think the worst of most people.
I'm guessing you think the worst of Aaron Rodgers in
this case.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
I just I just think he got his way.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
I don't blame in a way there's I don't blame
Aaron Rodgers because he wasn't the one that was empowered.
The Woody Johnson and the Johnson family are the ones
who said yes, you're going to be our guy where
we want you. Joe Douglas the same thing, even Sala
I guess you know for a portion of that probably

(19:34):
went along with it. But that's that's who I really
give the the criticism to is Aaron Rodgers and that
last season, Doug they were eight and nine, Remember they
lost that came to the Lions and the regulars at
the end of the regular season. Before it came in,
it wasn't a great, great Aaron Rodgers like we had
seen the previous two years. So that was probably the

(19:55):
quarterback that you were hoping to have. You were hoping
the motivation of proving the Packers wrong last year would
fuel him. But now you're a year separated from him.
So I almost I almost blame just Jets ownership for
signing off on this. Aaron Rodgers is who he is,
He's shown who he is, so maybe we shouldn't necessarily
be surprised.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
In case to your thoughts, my how about.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
This, guys, how does DeVante Adams play into this? Because
I think a great way to reverse kind of the
the negative sting to this story would be trading for DeVante.
You could look at it two ways. Would DeVante Adams
want to do it? Is it his decision? And if
you bring in DeVante, does that just kind of like

(20:39):
put even more of this on Aaron Rodgers, Like not
only did he get his head coach fire, but he
got his old his old player back, and it puts
the pressure squarely on him to win this year. Because
I think this is Woody Johnson's thinking this, this is
my one year to get something done and then we
can say goodbye that pain of the ass Aaron Rodgers

(21:01):
and move on. I think this is a all the
eggs in one basket. So I'll rephrase the question.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I thank you a question there.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
You think they get Davonte Adams.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I don't, but listen, I understand. I mean Joe Douglason's
last year, Aaron Rodgers, probably his last year. It's it's
not a crazy thought. It's far from a crazy thought.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
You might as well.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I don't know. I don't know if Davant Adams is like, yeah,
I'm in for that. You just fired your coach. Here
two and three, Aaron Appierce did not be particularly good
and we got to play outside of the cold in
New York.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Like, I don't think it's what they need at all
on that team. I don't think you need another guy
to throw the football too. You've got guys that you
can throw the football too. But if you're going to
go all rogers, you might as well go all rogers
and do what you can to bring them in. So

(22:00):
I wouldn't. It wouldn't surprise me. I wouldn't put it
this way. I wouldn't. I wouldn't ease off Doug like
you are saying, for the simple fact, devil, if you're
gonna kick sala, you might as just ride this wave
the rest of the way.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
You can't sit on the fence.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
You're either all in or you're not, So you might
as well make them happy and then re evaluate everything
at the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, Yeah, that's it. Well, what a what a what
a conundrum.

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(22:57):
Is it a hump day?

Speaker 6 (22:58):
Ump?

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Hump dy? I just the quick aside. I know it
was an insurance commercial. I'm not going to name who
it was because I don't remember. Actually don't remember who
it was. It doesn't matter. The point is that was
a great commercial, right the camel walking through the office
with the cubicles, talk about hump day with the camel
that has an obvious, quite obvious hump that's that's that's good.

(23:20):
I don't know if I ever told you guys this,
but that's like my my other dream job, right, like, say, hey, gottlieb,
you got two jobs? That's good? Got it? Would you
just love to be part of a creative that made commercials?

Speaker 3 (23:33):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I mean all of us sitting down there and go
like that actually would be fun. That's a fun job.

Speaker 8 (23:41):
And a well paying job. I think, huh, I think
it's a well paying job too well.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I mean again, I don't I don't know. Like obviously
you watch mad Men, that's what it was like back
in the in the sixties. I think it's a good
paying job. But just again, the ability to try and
be creative and sell a product and do fun stuff
like that sounds like a good idea, that sounds that
sounds fun. Gotta get me up in the morning. In
the meantime, sports, I've been doing okay with sports, so

(24:06):
I'm cool with that. Look, we got a big hour
for you, Daniel Jeremiah. This hour is that right, God,
Dodger fans, you're just gonna You're just gonna have to
grind and Barrett. Plus we'll talk a lot of NFL
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It is middle of the show. Remember we have an
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(24:28):
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Speaker 3 (24:46):
It's it's time for the.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Midway. I want to thank Dan Byer because Dan Byer
stopped us from going down a path which would have
been really really hard in this heart, in this show,
which is in the midway, we want to talk about
the best teams to not win a title. Okay, Now,
Jay Stu wanted to talk, of course, about the conversation

(25:15):
with the flawed MLB postseason format. That's because the Mets
are going to advance and the Dodgers are not, and
so he thinks it needs to be receded. But again,
that's just that's a conversation and we can have it.
But I like the we kind of all like the
great teams that did win a title, right.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
I was inspired by Bill Plaschki's column today. Phil Platchki
ris for the La Times.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Love Bill.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
He wrote something that reminded me that Dodger fans feel
this way. He says, Dodger fans still waiting for their
first full season championship in thirty six years, and it
sounds like Bill thinks.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
The way I do.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
I completely dismissed the twenty twenty championship. That was a
COVID late tournament sprint with and I don't think it's
a championship. I don't think most doctor fans do. And
it got me to thinking, like, who have the best
teams been over the years to not win a championship?
The Dodgers are certainly falling into that category over the

(26:16):
last ten years thanks to Andrew Friedman. But I wanted
to kind of throw go around the room and see
what you guys thought the best teams to never win
a title?

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Dan, I think this one's kind of easy. The best
team to not win a title in the NFL, it
was the New England Patriots that went undefeated, and that
was an unbelievable football team, you know, I mean go
back and look, and obviously everybody talks about Eli Manning

(26:48):
and the game they had and the you know, the
breakdown obviously in the offensive line was the NASCAR pass rush.
Is that what's called to go called the NASCAR pass rush?
I believe right? And they were sixteen to ZHO two
thousand and seven that NFL. That that team was unbelievable, unbelievable.
Go look at their offensive ranks, Okay, number one yards,

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fewest turnovers, first in tds first, and passing yards first
and touchdowns third, interceptions ninth, and it was ninth in
rushing touchdowns. But then the defense defense was unbelievable against
the run a lot of the fewest number of running
rushing touchdowns. They were top ten in just about every

(27:31):
single category. It was really really remarkable team. And it
wasn't just that they won, It's that they were crushing
people's soul. Now, the Giants came close to beating them
at the end of the year. The Jaguars almost beat
them in the playoffs. They were competitive, but I mean,
this was a dynamic, dynamic football team that ended up losing.

(27:53):
And it wasn't like they lost in the blowout they
lost me It was the David Tyree. In order for
the Giants to win, they need an absolute miracle. Came
from David Tyree. When if we're on this Eli Manning
probably in the in the grass, probably should have been
called down. That's the best football team I've seen, not
winn Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
You know what's funny, just another season doesn't have to
do with the topic. But remember their first regular season meeting,
and that's what the Giant said was their inspiration and
upsetting New England in that time. I remember having to
go to my aunt's house I was back home in
north central Wisconsin to watch it because she had.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
The Dish network, sure, and they had.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
The NFL network, and I believe that that's where the
game was on and it wasn't going to be wrecked.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
So, And the only reason I saw it was I
worked at ESPN, and I think I had to go
in to watch it because I don't think it was
on I had the Direct TV at the time, and
I thought it was only on Dish. I could be wrong.
I remember having to go into ESPN to watch it.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
It wasn't the easy just turned it on and it
was on ABC that was an NFL network, and I
think they ended up laxing some of the rules just
for that game. But the Giants have always said that
was the That competitive game that they lost by three
helped them fuel then the upset to knockoff that you says,
it's the greatest NFL team of all time to not win.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
A title wasn't worth Those early NFL network games in
non HD for the longest time, those were the worst
looking games. Do you remember that, like most TVs. Most
of America had become HD, and for whatever reason, the
NFL network was slow to it.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
I'm sure the financial thing.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I think it was. ESPNHD was the first one they had,
like a year. I think that was. It was like
a year or two where they were like one of
the first ones. And actually ESPNHD was like a different
channel for a while there because people didn't have HD.
It's so crazy to watch games and standard deaf and
be like, how do we put up with this for

(29:50):
so long? Like what don't you put up with? That's
that's the best there was.

Speaker 8 (29:56):
Whatever happened to Edition Network. By the way, still there
is it ouch. Sorry, didn't work through it. We're a
direct TV company here at FSR. Didn't know any better. Yeah,
there's still a round.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
I mean, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
I was just gonna say I think that the other
the almost given is the Golden State Warriors in twenty
fifteen twenty sixteen season.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Seventy yep, yep. I have I have another another possible
if you will, can I give mine? Go ahead? You
give yours?

Speaker 6 (30:28):
So I think this kind.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
Of follows on the line with what Dan was saying
with kind of the Warriors, but like did you guys
know that the most the team that is tied for
the most wins in the history of baseball in the
single season is the two thousand and one Mariners to
the Yankees, and they tied the Cubs from nineteen oh six.

(30:52):
The crazy thing about the Mariners team in two thousand
and one, it was each of U's first season. He
took the league by storm. But people forget this fact
the Mariners had traded or lost in free agency Alex Rodriguez,
Ken Griffy Junior, and Randy Johnson from the previous teams.

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This two thousand and one team didn't have those Hall
of famers on it, and it's still won one hundred
and sixteen games. I really do think that when people
think back to that team, they're like, oh, they must
have had Randy Johnson. No, No, he was busy winning
a title with the Dbacks. Hey, Rod, same way he
was busy making money with the Rangers. I want to
say he was a little known factor.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
When did Brett Boone have his was that two thousand
and one where he had his fifty home run season?

Speaker 6 (31:37):
He had a fifty home run season.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yes, I mean right to the gas, but.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Holy yes, yes, yes, yes, on both the counts. I'm
almost positive that Dan is correct, and yes you are.
You are very likely to be correct.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
Did Brett go to Villa Park?

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yes, although he was he was younger, right, he was
a younger brother. So Bill Park is a high school,
by the way, in the city of Orange.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
It was thirty thirty seven home runs one and forty
one RBIs in two thousand and one finished in the.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
It was Mickey Tttleton that had fifty homer.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Raddy Anderson did as well, so that was the other one.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Brady Anderstye was Breddy Anderson, the one that said he
had fruit loops? Yes, what was the secret? I had
fruit loops every day? Like I think that slates for steroids?
Is that what they were?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Now?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
I think those? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know
that story.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I can't two thousand and five USC Trojans. That's the
team that lost to Texas. I want you to listen
to these scores. Sixty three seventeen against Whaii, played Arkansas
seventy to seventeen. They beat him in the coliseum, beat
Oregon with Kellen Clemens forty five thirteen on the road
in Audson bet Aerzone, Stay on the Road thirty eight,

(32:54):
twenty eight, forty two twenty one, the beat Arizona beat
Notre Dame by three thirty four thirty one. I believe that.
I'm not sure if that was the Bush push year
beat Washington fifty four fifty one twenty four, beat Washington
State fifty five thirteen, beat Stamford fifty one twenty one.
Was that the What's your deal?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Game? I think it was at Cal thirty five to ten.
Cow was good at dudes scored fifty against President of
State last game of the regular season. What won Reggie
Bush the Heisman that he had that he lost that
he got back sixty six nineteen over the number of
eleven ranked UCLA Bruins and then lost to Texas forty
one thirty eight. They were number one the entire season,

(33:35):
they had won back to back national titles, and they
could not and I mean they just that roster was ridiculous,
was ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
And I redigulous, Yes they were, And I would even argue,
and I don't know what would have happened in that
national championship game, but Texas obviously goes on and wins
it all. But Ohio State played Texas that year, and
I don't want to say dominated, but they were the
better team for about three quarters of that game. Texas
started out great and they ended great, but it was

(34:08):
that Texas team is one because of Vince Young and
everything that went with it, and then beating USC. There's
so much lore behind it, but I don't even know
if Texas was the second best team in the country that.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I actually agree with to get Like, here's what people
were like. There was a time when Reggie was getting
gett to get his Heisman taken that they were like, well,
you should give it to Well, why don't give it
to Vince Young? Vinjong was the best player in the
Rose Bowl, but he wasn't the best player all year.
And when people forget about that team, that Texas team was,
they didn't play it last game of the year back

(34:39):
to back games, or I believe last game of the
regular season was Texas played Texas A and M and
they won, Like I'm looking up now forty to twenty
nine and Vince played okay, And then the very next
game on ABC was USC UCLA and Reggie Bush was
like a superhero. You're like, this was an easy call.
You know sure they beat by the way they beat

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Colorado in the Big twelve championship game in Texas at
seventy to three.

Speaker 8 (35:04):
Remember that that helps what Gary Barnett coaching the Colorado team,
I believe.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
No, not, no, Garybodt, Yeah, that was that the Nia
not only was she bad, but she was a girl.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I don't not yeah, not.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Dudes have said before that, you're like, now you're like what.
They had a female kicker, Katie Nida, who later came
out and said that she was harassed and abused. And
when he she did, Gary Barnett said, not only was
she bad, but she was a girl.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
I don't was that the direct quote.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
There's audio of it looking up.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
I know I thought he was at his doorsteps saying
it as well, like the press came to his house
or something.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
I don't know, maybe it was something different. Can I
throw a couple of teams in there? Please do? This
is where Sam gives us four teams.

Speaker 8 (36:00):
Here's one college football team in one NFL team. I
don't know if this was separated by year, but that
I know that it was the five West Virginia team
with Pat White and Steve Slayton. They would have played
for a national seven?

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, what was it? It was two thousand and seven, right,
It says Sam always eleven. The two thousand and five
West Virginia team went eleven and one.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah, and then they lost up, they lost, They lost
a pit in the backyard brawl. That was rich Rod's
last game.

Speaker 8 (36:30):
And then they beat in the two thousand and six
Sugar Bowl, they beat Georgia thirty eight thirty five. But
that was definitely a team that could have and should
have played for a national championship.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yp Pat Why was the quarterback? That was back when
rich Rod was the godfather? By the way, here's the
here's the quote, okay, and this is the direct quote here.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
And while you reader their direct quote, look up the
seven West Virginia team because that's the one that then
rich Rod left.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
I thought, yes, and he was going to go to Alabama.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah, and they beat They beat uh with the intern Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
The old who was with the interim coach who became
the head coach sword, Yeah, Bill Stewart, great guy, but
not a good coach.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
But you look up two thousand and seven when Doug
does that quote.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Okay, here's one. It was obvious that Katie was not
very good. She was awful. Katie was not only a girl,
she was terrible. Okay, no other way to say it.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
For her to go.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I mean like what it was. And it was a
response to she was she she was alleged that she
was raped, Like what how? What are you doing? Gary?
What are we doing? All right?

Speaker 3 (37:37):
I got one more NFL team.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
I need to make a commentary before we get this
one in.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
So I need to so all those people out there,
all those snowflakes that are complaining that the w n
b A is getting mistreated and all this stuff they needed,
they need to read that quote that Doug just writ
and how much worse it was back then, because now
you're complaining about microaggressions things that aren't tangible. People were

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just blatant, misogynistic, blatantly politically incorrect back in the day.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
By the way, I have I have the actual answer
to this question. But but go ahead, go ahead, go ahead,
Sam Philibuster, all you want, Well, I have.

Speaker 8 (38:17):
This is a distant runner up to that Patriots team.
But how about the nineteen ninety eight Minnesota Vikings getting
oh so close to going to the NFL rightly.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
The Super Bowl, but then losing to the Falcons.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
They didn't go to Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
No, I know the Falcons went to the Super Bowl
but then.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Missed a field goal which Anderson was their kicker. Gary, Gary,
and Gary again. Sam, I think you might have been
a MEBA stage at that age.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I was only about twelve. Yeah, but I wanted to
bring this up for you guys to sort of just
chew on a little bit.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I can tell you exactly where I was when he
missed the kick. Gary Anderson hadn't missed the kick all year,
missed the one that sent him to the Super Bowl.
That was rainy Moss and rail cutting and the rebirth
and the offensive court. And it was Brian Billicker.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
I will also, I will was on it.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
I will say this first grade of a team that
was I still don't know if they beat Denver.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
In the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Coming out Denver was so good.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
They were, they were really good.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Can I answer what the actual answer to that question was, Yes,
UNLV nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one. Yeah, defending national champions.
They were thirty four to zero and they lost to
Duke in the semi finals. And again, if you watch
the game. There's a couple of different things you need
to know. One, Teddy Valentine known as TV Teddy, a

(39:40):
terrible call to foul out Greg Anthony, and their team
changed dramatically when he left the game. But also, obviously
what everybody wonders about is it looked like and on
the up and up, it looked like they just lost
to a team that had they had beaten by thirty
the year before, the year before, Bobby Hurley was sick
and they didn't have Grant Hill. But surely thereafter there

(40:01):
was pictures of a guy named Richard the fixer Perry
in Vegas in a hot tub with a couple of
the players. Just makes you wonder, right, I mean, UNLV
was so good that year. Go and look at what
they did to people. It was. It was amazing. Right,
Here's what they did in the NCAA tournament. They beat
Montana by forty, They beat Georgetown by eight, they beat

(40:23):
Utah by seventeen. In the semi finals, they beat Seaton
Hall by twenty two, and they lost the assuming the
regional final, they lost to the Seat In Hall by
twenty two, beat Seen by Seen Now by twelve, and
they lost to Duke in the national semifinals, and they
only lost the year by two points. I lost the year.
They were ranked number one in just about every statistical

(40:45):
and analytical category.

Speaker 7 (40:46):
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Speaker 1 (40:56):
S Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio got an update
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Maybe maybe a little bit less in the meantime. You know,
if you look on social media, they call it Throwback Thursday,
but we like to say, don't call it a throwback.

Speaker 7 (41:18):
You don't call it a throwback th back Thursday?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
What year we thrown it back to?

Speaker 5 (41:26):
There, Jason, We're gonna take the time machine back to
twoenty twelve.

Speaker 6 (41:34):
Think about what you were doing in twenty twelve.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Now, we have a big Seahawks fan on the show
here in Dan Bayer, so he could fact check me
at every step here. But I want to take it
specifically back to a December game in twenty twelve where
a rookie quarterback played the eventual division champion San Francisco

(41:59):
for nine ers, Russell Wilson in his rookie year. Played
the forty nine Ers, coach by John Harbaugh, quarterbacked by
Colin Kaepernickame Harbaugh. That's what I met. That's what Dan's
here for. You need to fact check all this stuff.
I get a little lose with the details. I'm overall entertaining,
but I'm not good on the details. Hold on, hold on, yep,

(42:22):
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (42:22):
Dan.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
So, of course, Pete Carroll was a head coach. I
think the Seahawks would go on to dominate the NFL
for the next couple of years, but this was kind
of their first step, right because they had brought in
who Matt Flynn from the Packers to be their quarterback.
They draft Russell Wilson in the third round. Russell Wilson
takes the job in training camp, and the rest is history.
December twelfth or December twenty third, twenty twelve a forty

(42:48):
two to thirteen result. The Seahawks beat the forty nine
Ers in that game. Russell Wilson starred. Of course, Colin
Kaepernick was held to check, was checked by the defense.
Who was the Marshaun Winch was the guy running the ball.
Robert Turbin had a good game. Dan do you remember

(43:09):
anything specifically from that game or that year that you
want to share.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
A lot from that year was they did really turn
it on at the end of the season, and they
had a game actually they played the Bills in Toronto
and destroyed Buffalo in that contest, and it was part
of a string of games where they really turned it
on late in the season. And honestly, the season is
actually really important for Seahawk fans because while at the

(43:36):
time you thought it was the start of something, when
you look back, that was a year that you could
have won that you could have won it all. Like
you think, like, we're going to have this long run.
And guess what they did. The next year they won
the Super Bowl, and then the year after that they ended
up losing in the Super Bowl. But that year prior,
at the time you're going through it, you're like, wow,
the future is bright, but as it's going on, you

(43:58):
don't realize and how valueable that opportunit unity is. And
now looking back, when the Seahawks lost to the Falcons
in the playoffs about a month later after that, the
forty nine ers actually admitted there was a bit of
a sigh of relief because they wanted nothing to do
with the Seahawks in the NFC Championship game. So a huge,
huge game, part of a season turnaround for the Seahawks

(44:19):
that year.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Shouldn't they turnaround?

Speaker 4 (44:20):
They were building, but they really took off in that
second part of that year.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
Hey, Doug, you know who played in that game on
the twenty third of December that a very few of
us remember. You know who was a receiver for the
forty nine ers in that game, eventual Hall of Famer
Randy Moss. He was on the forty nine ers.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, yep, he was on that forty nine ers team
eventually went to the Super Bowl and he was on
that team.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Twenty twelve, that was San Francisco Giants swept the Detroit
Tigers in the World Series, right, Pablo Sondoval. Kung Fu Panda.
Didn't he win the MVP? That was twenty twelve, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Gians did win in twenty twelve?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yes, yeah, that was the Kung Fu Panda year. He
had a precipitous decline sure, I mean like a massive,
massive decline. He went from World Series MVP and then
they wanted again in twenty fourteen and then completely fell
off off the map after that.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
You want to know what stands out to me in
twenty twelve, jumping back to football, It's not even what
happened on the field, it's what happened off the field.
And it was Peyton Manning and the Colt's decision to
not bring him back following the next surgery. And it
was in that draft where the Seahawks took Russell Wilson,
but it was also at the top of the draft

(45:45):
because the Colts were so bad without Manning because of
the next surgery, they ended up taking Andrew Luck. And
I think that in that conversation of at the time
no brainer, Actually it's no brain. Andrew Lucky thought was
going to be an NFL top caliber NFL quarterback for
fifteen years. There was no guarantee that Peyton would be

(46:08):
able to come back and return from this type of
surgery and have the success that he ended up having.
There was no reason to think that that was possible.
And again, as I've said many times on the show,
it is amazing to see the mileage that the Broncos
get out of Peyton Manning stint with that team as
opposed to the Colts, Like there's just the Broncos are

(46:29):
squeezing that orange like crazy in getting so much for
that four year window, and it was that off season
that ended up setting up the franchises going in two
different directions.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
And didn't Peyton Manning wasn't He told by several doctors
that he could be paralyzed for life if he took
the wrong hit after that surgery.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I don't know if that was the case with him.
I don't remember that being the case. I truly don't.
I did. There definitely was some nerve damage and some
there's some feeling issues there, but I don't think it
was that. It feels like that was more of the
TV Hollywood Hollywood special more than what really happened. But yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
It's the biggest it's the biggest hindsight in twenty twenty
that I look back at to say, would you would
you have it back? Because at the time, I don't
think it's as difficult as a decision as it was. Yeah,
I know, Jim Mersey is an emotional guy, was in tears.
I don't Manning was a part of that. They tried
to honor Peyton as much as they could, but I
don't think he really loved it because they were choosing

(47:38):
someone else over him.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, and hey, here's one thing that I'm not trying
to be not I want to go back to what
you said about Russell Wilson. What people forget is they
got the big free agent signing at quarterback that year
in Seattle. Right, that was the Matt Flynn year. And
remember Matt Flynn. His last game with the Packers, he

(48:03):
got to start instead of Aaron Rodgers and he threw
I think six touchdown passes I want to say, against
the Detroit Lions. So right, and then his head, his
offensive coordinator went to the Dolphins, and it was supposedly
Dolphins and Seahawks, and Seahawks signed him. And my thing
was like, if the if he doesn't go, if he

(48:24):
doesn't go with Joe what was his name, Joe Philbin Right,
if he didn't go with Joe philbin to the Dolphins,
Joe Filbinon knew everything to get him at man, Joe
philbin knew he wasn't that good, and sure enough, Russell
Wilson beat him out. Like, I don't think Seattle's plan
was to start Russell Wilson.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
No, and then they gave Flynn that contract. It wasn't
like sixty million dollars deck contract, but it was significant
enough to make him go there and.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Think that he was expected to be the starter.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yep, exactly, he was expected to be the starter.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
And he never did anything. No, he wasn't ever a
starter again, was he in he came back.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I think he started one game for the for the
Packers when Aaron Rodgers got hurt one year and when
he broke his collar bone like twice in a year,
I think he came back and played for the pack
in one of those games.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
So you're bringing up Joe Filben reminds me. So wasn't
that the year that the Dolphins were the hard knocks
and Ryan Tannehill was the focus there?

Speaker 1 (49:22):
That was? Yeah? That next year, Yes, that next year, yes,
this was. That was also the year that Alabama played
LSU a second time. LSU had beaten them like nine
to six, I want to say, and then LSU lost
to Alabama in the National Championship Game in New Orleans

(49:45):
in the Superdome like twenty one nothing.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
I think it was twenty two to nothing.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Twenty one.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
That was the game.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
The score.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Okay, that was the twenty eleven season. But the game
was twelve in twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Yes, oh that was it.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Remember there was a game and then it was like, look,
I was a big twelve fan at the time. And
Andrew Luck remember played against Oklahoma State and Oklahoma State
had lost on a missfield goal to Iowa State. Again,
this is twenty eleven, I understand. So Oklahoma State thought
they should qualify because Alabama had lost the game, and
I think they lost that home to LSU nine to six.

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Alabama got a rematch in the National Championship Game and
shut out LSU.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
The biggest story in college football in twenty twelve was
Johnny Manzel. That's when Johnny football was BORNDB date of
birth twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Also, for people forget, they still lost to Alabama. I
think they lost what Florida at home and Ala to Alabama.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
That's where he'd Alabama.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Yeah he made Yes, that's where he made his That's
where he made his name.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
And that so Alabama didn't play LSU in the regular season.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
We're talking about Johnny Manzel in Texas A and M.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Right, that's who I'm talking about. Yes, yes, they won
twenty nine to twenty four. The focus on twelve in
twenty twelve. Yes, Doug, as much as you want to
hold on to twenty eleven, we're gonna move back to
twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Sorry about that. That's ok hey, but the championship was
in twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
The championship game from the twenty eleven season was played
in twenty twelve.

Speaker 6 (51:19):
It feels like we.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
Keep doing this, we keep doing the last week twenty two, but.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
That actually is twenty twelve. I'm actually doing it right.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Well, yeah, but Andrew Luck never played a college game
in twenty twelve, Johnny, they played Festable.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Well, okay, well that that one.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Game they lost in a miss field goal.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Mantiiteo is dany undefeated in twenty twelve.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
That was a year of the scandal.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, this was the last year, my last year to ESPN,
And I remember people were giving me grief because I
was making fun of Linay Kakua, telling Renee Kakua jokes
all the time. And look, you can tell jokes about
somebody that doesn't actually exist.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
Yes, it was very funny.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yes, it was really funny. Like, no, no, you're being offensive.
No I'm not. She doesn't exist. You can't offend somebody
who doesn't exist.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
Well, you and I were on kind of the same track, remember,
So that was the final year that the Jim Rome
Show was at Premiere Radio Networks. That was your final
year at ESPN. In January, the Jim Rome Show would
start on CBS Sports Radio as the lead in for
the Doug Gottlieb Show.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
This is correct, and Jim and I shared a studio
in at the Man Brother Studio in Westminster, California. As
he moved as he moved to TV show to CBS
Sports Network and I had to lead off.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
In twenty twelve, Jeremy Wynn took over the Sports World.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
That was twenty twelve.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
According to my sources, Lynn Sanity, Lynn Sandy, Wow, we should.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Have had holiday on about that. We had Matt Holiday
on yesterday in the podcast. So here's what happened in
twenty twelve. What time was that January? Was that February?
I think it was February. I think it was February
because it was right for the All Star break, and I
remember after the All Star Break it was like it
never even happened. So maybe it was late January. He
went into the garden. He was in the garden against

(53:09):
the Lakers and Derek Fisher and just destroyed Derek Fisher,
destroyed him. So they go to Miami to play the
Heat and the Heat was the best team that year,
and like the Heat were ready for him. And I
remember Matt was with I think Matt Carpenter and they
were training camp in uh where they uh, I forget

(53:30):
where they do training camp. And he's like, hey, can
you help me get tickets? And I so I called
a bunch of people. I think we ended up getting
them two that were like three rows up. And he
said that Floyd mayther Weather walked in. He said he
must have had sixteen Front Road tickets and they showed
up late and and you know, caused the complete ruckus.

(53:50):
But it was one of the it was the end
of insanity was when kind of like Kobe and Pippin
against Tony Koukach, they were like, yeah, we're gonna make
a point here. That's what that he did to Jeremy
Lynn and he was never the same.

Speaker 8 (54:04):
And you know, linsanity has that term has kind of
been repurposed in New York for who it's in a
different sport. It was no idea, go ahead, Francisco Lindor
when Yeah. The people I've heard they used linsanity for a.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Lot doing in New York. Is you are big Apple Sam?

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I forgot, I forgot. We're talking a big Apple Sam.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah, it's me New York all the time, you.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Know, and we know this big Apple Sam.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
You know this linsanity. It's back.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Sam's got the entire New York subway system on his
back tattoos.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
It's amazing. It's right. You need to look out somewhere
and take the gay.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Then you get off. You get off at st. You
got off Charles.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
That's a lot.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
And then you and then you go and you.

Speaker 9 (54:52):
Take the Express that's a wind express to Grand Central
and then you go to then you go cross down, Okay,
cross down, make sure you get you get the Penn station.
They go cross down the Grand Center. Did the Grand Center.
Then you take the Metro north out out to West Point.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
We know this, you know this.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
I've got sixty seconds on golf, unless anybody wants to
talk about basketball.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
First about Sam, did you have anything? Well, you know,
I always prepare my this year in history Iowa Hawkeye football.
It wasn't a great year.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
It was it was good.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Dan.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
You could do your golf.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Let me just give one sentence.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
One sentence, No, we're good. You know the game one.

Speaker 6 (55:29):
That is why it wasn't a great year that you was.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Last losing record four and eight. Terrible year. Okay, Dan,
say you good? Final four that year.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
That's when Kansas Kentucky and the championship.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Ohio State made it Ohio State.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
If we were doing twenty eleven, that would have been
maybe where I've gone. But Ohio State made it to
the final four, and what could have been in twenty
eleven they somewhat eventually by getting into the final four,
but blew the game in the national semi.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Golf, Dan, you're kind of doing a Sam watching.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
I ended up winning his first Masters in twenty It's
not the biggest. It's not the thing that stands out
to me. When you watch golf, and you'll usually on
a final round, whatever major it is, they'll say, I
used to go to the course and when I was
a kid, I would pretend this was the putt to
win the insert major that you're playing in, usually not

(56:20):
the PGA Championship, but Masters, US Open or Open Championship.
Really stands out to me in twenty twelve was what
happened at the Open Championship, where Adam Scott bogied his
final four holes, allowing Ernie Els to back door a
clart jug the second of ELS's career.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
But what I do think that it did. I think
that it.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Set Adam Scott up for redemption the next year when
he actually won the Masters in twenty thirteen in a playoff.
It's the ultimate what if you think you can have both?
But I don't think he can. I think Adam Scott
needed to lose that major so he could go back
and then in the Masters that year.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
So we need to feel the pain before he tastes
his campaign. By the way, too, absolutely, okay, Ernie Els.
Are there guys with smoother swings, maybe, but that's a
smooth swing. Yes, Adam Scott, like Samson, I don't go
that way, but I would just say, like, that's good
looking man.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
I think a lot of people would trade spots with
Adam Scott if they could.

Speaker 6 (57:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Yeah, ultimate gentleman.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Yeah, golf game to match, just a great guy everything
about him. Yeah. I don't like him, but I had
heartbreak in twenty twelve at Royal Lithem and St Anne's.

Speaker 6 (57:38):
I know that's a I know this.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
This is a a part of this that I love
to do. I don't think it's popular among the crew here,
but there was one significant thing that happened in music.
I want to lower the cool jay and I just
want to play this for the listeners because I think
we could all go back to this time in place
two twenty twelve. This song took over the world.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Sigh, I love it, this song is this song is
still a banger.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
All those TikTok videos of him jumping on stage, Oh.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Man, he's amazing on the stage. Right. Wait, also, hold on,
hold on, hold on, hold. That was an Olympic year,
wasn't it. Yes, wasn't that Call Me Maybe here as well?

Speaker 6 (58:28):
Yes, same year. Yeah, call me.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Which was bigger? Gugnam Style or call Me Maybe? Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:34):
I think internationally gang Style.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I can't call me Maybe was bigger internationally.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
I think call Me Maybe is trash?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Well, I mean this song is that good.

Speaker 8 (58:43):
This song is a banger, I think still So to
bring it full circle, yeah, call Me Maybe was because
all everyone did their own videos.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
That was in the early days of like, you know,
kind of like TikTok videos. Yep and the Dolphins cheerleaders
did call me. Maybe that was viral. So it goes
back to the Joe Philbin Dolphins. I love the way
we're doing this. And then member of the swimming team,
the American swimming team did call me. Maybe that may
have been the most viral. But you're right, that was

(59:14):
a humongous song that year. But I think Gundam style
was the unicorn. I think it took over everywhere.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
And of course during the London Games they were calling
it lonsanity at that time.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
That was very good.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
That's so good the move. Oh, can I just prove
something real quick? Can I just prove some real quick?
I know that in the moment, like this summer, we
think like Olympics, man, that stuff carries on forever, man whatever.
But what's interesting is we all know these things about
twenty twelve in traditional sports. What can you name about
the twenty twelve London Games other than call me maybe

(59:56):
all the Olympians were doing they call me maybe thing.

Speaker 6 (59:58):
I think Michael Fels was doing some cool things.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yeah, he was awesome. Yeah that's about it though, right.
Sure my point, let's get to Dan Bayer and get
a quick update and everything else going on sports Dan.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
No one mentioned the Heats first NBA title insanity over.
Doug referred to it. Doug referred to it, okay, briefly,
all right, just making sure