The Cam Newton Signing Is A Win-Win For The Patriots

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in to the Monday Podcast. Friends, talk to Cam
Newton the Second Um got a couple of treats for you.
Rahey Morris is gonna join us Falcon's defensive coordina, your
former head coach Tampaire Buccaneers Robbie Gold What an amazing story.
I don't know if people know Um upbringing, how he
got to Penn State and how he made it to
the NFL now obviously kicking with the Niners that won

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the NFC, but he'll join us. Fascinating sports storyteller. And
then Rick Buker, who's got some intel for us on
on the New York Knicks, who will be their head
coach and if Lou Williams will make the trip to
the bubble. But first let me give you my thoughts
on Cam Newton and the Patriots. Thanks for listening to
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Gottlip Show, Fox Sports Radio, Coming to you from the
sunny city of Angels Hope you are having a spectacular Monday,
all right. The story of the day is Cam Newton,
who is once again in the NFL, at least for
now with the New England Patriots. And um, I find

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all parts of this story to be really really interesting.
All parts of this story to be really really interesting.
The first is like, let's not misreported. It's like a
million dollars in change that could be worth up to
seven point five million dollars. It essentially feels to anyone

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paying attention like the Jamis Winston deal, which is brilliant.
If one, you have a ton of money in the
bank and you want to bet on yourself, and two
you realize that you could be knighted. You could be
knighted by the Kingdom of Belichick. And as much as
people want to say, hey, what is his assistants really

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gone out and done? Look around the NFL and they're
Belichick guys everywhere, obviously in Houston, but there are others
in front offices, there are others in coaching staffs, and
there are plenty, plenty sp sprinkled around the league. And
the questions about Cam are really really simple. What is

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Cam Newton like in two thousand twenty? I've seen idiots.
You know he saw this one play in two thousand
and you're like, Okay, that was seven years ago, several
surgeries ago, several scarves ago for Cam Newton. Look that
there's some weird parts about it, right, Like he is
big on the postgame press conference and what he's wearing,

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But in many ways, so is Brady. The styles may
be different, but the attention to detail is very much
the same um and and I'm just interested by it, Like, look,
this is the reason he wasn't in the league is
the same reason Kaepernick wasn't in the league, and the
same reason lots of these starters fall out of the league.

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Are you willing to take pennies and to either fight
for a starting spot or become a viable backup and
rehabilitate your career. That's really what it comes down to.
It's truly, that's simple. And to people who say Cam

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Newton won't fit in the Patriots, it's a system. That's
the beauty of the Patriots system is that they changed,
not just from season to season, but game to game,
I mean the easiest example of this and Patriot fans
and frankly, I think cult fans know this as well.

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You go back a couple of years ago and Tom
Brady was suspended for the first four games of the season,
Jimmy Garoppolo was the starting quarterback, he got hurt and
against the Houston Texans, Jacoby Brissett became the starting quarterback.
And this was Rossett third round pick out of Mississippi State,

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and they ran basic high school college zone read, look,
option look, anything to protect him from getting back and
reading a defense. The same can be true from camp
from Cam Newton. Look, we all want Cam Newton to
be what he was five years ago. Athletically He's probably not,
but that doesn't stop the Patriots tremont to use him

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some that way. There are few, if any, running throwing
quarterbacks who have been as effective as the former league MVP,
and it's a style that traditionally doesn't last. Now, the
other big question is, and it goes back to his body,
what does his throwing mechanics look like? Because he tried

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to change his mechanics after shoulder surgery to uh below
average results. But it's really hard when you're thirty years
old to relearn how to throw a football. But that's
what he's been doing, and now he's got to learn
an offense without being in meeting rooms, without having O
T A. S. We don't know when they'll get to

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get back into England and throw the football with teammates.
And to people who think that Cam Newton is absolutely
positively going to be the starting quarterback, this is Albert
Brier on The Herd earlier today. I don't think they're
gonna hand the job to Cam Newton. That said, I
think Cam is clearly the favorite for the job. Now

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they're gonna make him learn it. And they basically spent
the entire offseason preparing Jared's did him to be the starter.
Now on the doorstep of training camp, they're giving him competition.
They can continue to develop him. Maybe he wows you.
If he doesn't, you've got a great answer for right now.
And either way, you're throwing multiple darts of the dartboard.
Don't forget that's how the Seahawks found Russell Wilson. Right.

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People forgot People forgot that um Matt Flynn was signed
to a three year deal light on the money. They
drafted Russell Wilson in the third round. Russell Wilson straight
up beat him out, and Jared Stidham should have the
upper hand because he knows the system as opposed to
Cam Newton, who's playing a couple of different systems, most

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recently North Turner system in Carolina. But this the jargon,
the lingo, the depth of of playbook knowledge is gonna
be completely different. I I understand that we're gonna sit
here and go, what a former m v P. But look,
there are lots of former m vps in the National
Football League. Matt Ryan Is. It's not like he's gonna

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lose his job, Lamar Jackson. I've told you most people
in the NFL just don't know how long that style lasts.
And Cam Newton, who is the biggest, baddest, strongest dude
to ever play that way, and his body broke down.
No one knows what Cam Newton really looks like as
a football player. Don't give me the highlight videos on Instagram.

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Don't give me what his people say or what he
screams to this Instagram cameras. Bill Belichick is paying a
million dollars to get a good look to challenge his
young quarterback. And if you think that a young unknown
quarterback can't beat out a well known, you know, borderline

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Hall of Fame starter, I give you the New England
Patriots because that's what happened when Drew Bledsoe got bench
when he came back. So Cam hasn't been healthy in
a couple of years, struggles to stay healthy. Not really
a fit for how the Patriots have played, although they
can usually adjust to how they want to play. Stidham
should have the upper hand because he knows the system.

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And a million dollars for Cam Newton is a great
chance to take a look. It costs you basically nothing
to try him out, and if it hits great, and
if it doesn't, they move on. Do people remember that
it wasn't just Antonio Brown. Albert Haynesworth and others have

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been rehab projects to some success Randy Moss and others,
and some failure Albert Haynesworth. So if Cam Newton was right,
if he's fully healthy, if you can throw a football
right right, but can he learn a new system? Can

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he be accurate with his new throwing motion? Canny pick
it up without o t a s and does Jared'stidham
have that ability to take his game to another level
when he's challenged by somebody, not just like Brian Hoyer,
but also by Cam Newton. I'd agree it's not a
locked up sinch anyway. Well, I can't believe how little
they paid him. You're worth what someone is willing to

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pay you. And the Matrid said, hey, man, if you
win the job, you're a starter. You're gonna make seven
point five million. You got played in the bank. You
end up benefiting twice twofold threefold. Becoming a free agent
again next year makes total sense to me. All right, Um,

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Rahee Morris is gonna join us twenty five after the hour, Raheim,
of course, the defense quity with the Atlanta Falcons. We
can get his sense of what Cam looked like last
year and what he looked like when Raheem was the
head coach of the Tampare Buccaneers. Plus no one's talking
about the Falcons. That's a team that finished red hot
down the stretch. How hard is it going to be

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to carry over that momentum into the new season? All right,
Robbie Gould to join US forty kicker former Bears kicker
next hour, Rick Buker joins us, we'll get ready for
the NBA Bubble. But coming up next, the good news
is the Patriots got themselves, Cam Newton. I mean, no
one pruises the way for wire and get someone off
the scrap heap, and somebody swapped meat prices like the Patriots.

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The bad news is the reputation preceded them and caused
them to lose another draft pick and more money. We'll
discuss why next. Be sure to catch the live edition
of the Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
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(10:26):
UM the top of next hour the top of next hour.
Apparently the NBA is in discussions with their players about
opening up the possibility of having um social justice messages
on the back of their jerseys during the NBA finished

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to the regular season, playoffs and championship, which will be
played in the Bubble in Orlando. Why that is or
would be if it happens, a complete and utter disaster,
disaster and it will actually be the opposite of the

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intended effect. Okay, top of the hour where he Morris
will join us upcoming in about ten minutes. UM. So
you're one of the patriots. We're filming a documentary or
it's called do your Job. And they had a they
had a film crew that was filming the Cincinnati Bengals sidelines.

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And then we've seen the tape and somebody comes in
from NFM Bengal security and says, why are you filming
our sidelines? And the guy meanders around and gives them
a you know, gives gives them the song and the
dance about why here's filming the sidelines. Look, look, the
the punishment does not fit the crime. But what you

(11:56):
have to understand about punishments are very very simple. You're
judged differently if you're a repeat offender. Right, And whatever
you think of the Patriots and spygate, I actually understand
the Patriots and spy Gate. I understand that the NFL
deemed it to be illegal. Okay, um, But if you

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really think about it, for years, the NFL had people
up in the stands in their boxes writing down the
sign and the corresponding defense or offensive play. Right. That's
called scouting, advanced scouting, and even in games they used
to have somebody film the sidelines and plays they're sent in,

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and somebody film the actual plays themselves. They would combine
the two and they would put together scouting. The only
thing the Patriots did was they filmed them both at
the same time, and they sent it down in real time,
which is, you know, genius. It's It's classic Patriots in

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that the Patriots have always known exactly where the gray
area is. If you remember when they got caught with
the flate gate in the playoffs, that was the week
after they took on the Baltimore Ravens in the playoffs.
Do you guys remember what happened in that Baltimore Ravens
playoff game. They used a couple of funky sets tackle

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eligible sets and confused the Patriots defense. Excuse confused the
Ravens defense, and the Ravens were complaining afterwards, and Tom
Brady said, you guys should read the rule book. Do
you remember all this? Okay, go back in. Hey, look,
the Colts head coach at the time had come from

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the Baltimore Ravens, and he just happens to be the
one who turns in the New England Patriots the very
next week. Come on, man, I was born at night,
not last night. Pretty simple to see what happens. The
Ravens called the Colts said, yeah, man, these guys are dirty.
They're they're using illegal plays, they're stretching the rule book.

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But you know what, those footballs don't have enough air.
Have him check them out. The problem is not what
was done in Cincinnati. It would be really really hard
to think, um that the Patriots were trying to cheat
in order to beat the Cincinnati Bengals. But when you've

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been convicted not just the court of public opinion, but
you've been convicted by the NFL twice over Spygate the
flake gate, you're gonna get a punishment that's way more severe.
And this is the way it works in life, right
you know, if you already have a missed him meaner
against you, and you're accused of the same crime several

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times over, you're gonna get a far most misdemeanors. You
you walk on it, you can write a check, it
can go away, but you might serve jail time if
you're a repeat offender. Do I think the Patriots the worst? No.
I think the Patriots are brilliant in the fact that
they study the rule book. They know the rules, they
know the gray area, and they know and they believe

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they are not actually breaking the rules. And I also
think that sometimes there are people who, for for whatever reason,
they try and act in the best interests of the team,
even though they're not acting in the best interests of
the team. So you would you'd say, Gottlieb your Patriots apologist. No, No,

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not Patriots fan at all. I wish I was a
Patriots fan. I wish my team was that good, that's smart,
that invested, found a way to win that long, and
found a way to balance their checkbook all the time.
I wish I was. I am not. But I'm telling
you the reality of it is, most people in the
NFL go like those guys pushed the envelope. They know
exactly where the gray area is and that's where they live.
Doug otl Lip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, the Ryan's

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Irman thing is interesting. You know that the club declined.
Was it a twenty five million dollar option or something.
I mean, he's a good dude. He's been playing I
think fifteen years, and the Majors I was eighteen million,
had an eighteen million dollar option club option. They declined it,
choosing to pay a two million dollar buyout, so he

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made two million UM, and then he signed a two
million dollar contract with the team. And now he's not
not gonna play. And I have no question about the
type of person he is. That's just an odd decision.
The odd decision to me. But okay, you don't have
to play Ray he Morris joins us in the Doug

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Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Remember he was the
head coach of the Tampa Bay uh Tampa Bay Buccaneers
for a couple of seasons and it's been a part
of the Falcons since two thousand and fifteen. Now their
defensive cording. And you're joined us in the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio, Gahee. Most importantly, how are
you Are you healthy? Doug? I'm doing great. Um. I've

(17:13):
been able to get away to be at my family. Um,
being smart, safe and social distance and man, just trying
to this thing like everybody else. What's this been like
for you for people who haven't didn't follow your career.
You know, you finish up playing at Hofstra, You've become
a grad assistant from their Cornell Hofstra and then off
to the NFL, where you spent essentially your entire professional life,

(17:36):
to actually have time this much time at home. What
has it been like. I don't know if it's been
tough on me, but has it really been tough on
my kids and probably my wife? Uh for the most
part man having us around this as much they're not
used to. UM, it's been a great offseason. I've been
able to take advantage of it and be around my
kids as much as I have been able to to

(17:57):
enjoy their time and enjoy all the time out in
the bad JR. With these guys and do some different
things that we've not normally able to do at this
time of the year. UM, it's really been fun. Um.
The extra family time has been great. UM. The way
you found out how to get your work done now
through the virtual world and between Microsoft Teams and Zoom
and TeamWorks and all the different apps that you have

(18:17):
and um ways you can get things done. I mean,
it's been really productive off season for the Falcons. Um,
and it's been really good for me personally. What what happened,
you guys? Um, it was about mid year and things
were going poorly and all of a sudden, you guys decide,
all right, we're gonna do like a complete shuffle, right,

(18:38):
offensive guys coaching defense, defensive guys coaching offense. Obviously, because
you had been the assistant head coach, your role starts
to kind of evolve and adjust. What were those conversations
like when you guys made the switch mid season last year? Uh, Fortunately,
because of our relationships, relationships between my head coach, relationship

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with our general manager, our owners, um, um, the relationship
between all of our other coaches, it made it sort
of seamless. And I know it's hard to say when
you got a guy that had defensive background moved the
offense now in the middle of the season being asked
to move back to defense. Um, thanks for Jeff Obrick, Um,

(19:20):
Jerome Henderson, Chad Walker and Jeff Simpson and some of
the guys that were there, Doug Mallory and forgetting anybody
lance shout because all the other guys we had it
made it seamless. Um, So we're able to go back
over into put my input in along with Aden and
all those other guys, and and getting the help that
I was able to get. It made it somewhat easy

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for me to move and make the transition during the
middle of the season because of those guys. It had
nothing to do with with myself. It had more to
do with Dan Quinn and his vision and what he
saw to get two different eyes on it, UM, to
get a different viewpoint. UM. It got us for a
six and two records. It got us another opportunity to
go in two thousand twenty and take a crack at it.
And Yeah, it just seemed like new energy with the team.

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Is that fair? You know? Uh, from the outside looking in,
you'd have to say that, Um. But from inside out,
we didn't lose our energy. We just didn't get everything
clicking the way you need to get it click. We
weren't playing complimentary football the way we needed to do UM.
Some of our head coaches visions were not coming out
the way he saw them. UM. And we got over
that side of the ball and allowed him to focus

(20:23):
on team. It allowed myself, Jeff Obrick Um and our
guys to focus on the defense. That allowed Dirt Cutter
Um and those guys to focus on the offense, and
allow our special teams coach to focus on special teams,
and then gave Dan Coin a chance to really pull
it all together. And allow us to play complimentry football together. UM.
And the results showed. UM. It came out and it
was in good fashion. UM, and it was enough that

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our owner m gave Quinine and myself and our staff
another crack at it. How much? How hard is it? Like? Look,
I'm from a family of basketball coaches, and in basketball
they always say, like, hey, toughest move ever is at
a t inches from assistant coach to head coach. I
would challenge people and say, moving back that other eighteen

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inches is pretty tough. It's not just hard on you,
but Dan Quinneguy you compete with in the in the
division right like um and compete with you know, went
back when he was in Seattle. How what does that
move like? To have a guy who, at a very
young age you got to coach in that division and
now you have to take orders? Okay, you you offer

(21:27):
great perspective because you've you've had that job before. You
understand all of that, Like what what is what is
that like for you? Specifically the move to being an
assistant coach in the same division where you're a head coach.
You know, it was really good for me. Um. The
opportunity to coach with Dan Corn I couldn't turn down. UM.
We coached me in college. We coached together in college

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at Austin, UM. We had a long history. UM. So
when I got a chance to go back UM leaving
the Redskins UM that year and go back to coach
in a division UM that I was in, spent a
lot of time the industy saw the most fifteen years now,
I believe, But UM, it was fun. UM. I cherish division.
I love the division. I love being in it. I
love the competitives, competitives about the division. UM, it's fun

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to be a part of. And having a chance to
go coach with that guy at that time was the
right move for me. And uh So, getting a chance
to go down there, I was fired up. I'm coming
to the building being a passing game coordinator, working alongside
with Richard Smith. We have success that year, finishing the
season pretty good, going eight and eight, and then the
next year two and sixteen, moving over to offense and

(22:30):
helping Cal Shanahan and some of those guys and Matt
Ryan coaching Julio Jones and making a Super Bowl run. UM,
it's been a lot of fun. It really has been.
Roight he Morris showing us in the Doug got Lip
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. How how odd is
it to look up and see Tom Brady as a
quarterback of your now rival Tampare Buccaneers. Yeah, it's really

(22:54):
hard to uh to see Tom playing in Tampa, especially
um still having a home there because fit are in Tampa,
part of my home and my family's home. Um, it's
really hard, uh to see that guy go to that
that that system as soon as they can do this year. Um.
But you know, we're talking about a future Hall of
Famer that we all respect. Um. And you know, fortunately

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I don't have to worry about Tom until about week
fifteen seventeen in the season. He'll get and he'll give
me a good body of work or what I need
to study one to look at and of that success. Ah.
And and you know, I hate to point this out,
but you're part of that that super Bowl team. I
mean the defense was magnificent for a three quarter he
looked bewildered and the offense was it was was probably

(23:37):
too good. Well obviously with with Kyle Shanahan where you
guys didn't want to take your your foot off the pedal. Uh,
it is It's really interesting how life comes full circle.
Um hey, um, what do you think about of the
Cam Newton signing. Oh man, you know and has always
been a guy to respect it. Uh, for a couple
of things. It's competitives and it's toughness. I'm talking about

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a six five guy about two almost pounds who can run. Um.
He's really brought a character to the Carolina Panthers, a
certain demeinance of those guys. For over the last couple
of years, that's been that's been outstanding. Um. To see
him go because it's right now if free agency, um,
not being to get physically do some of those things. Um,
you're wish nothing but but the best of the Patriots. Um.

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And I'm fired up for the young man to go
somewhere else. And I thought his new chapter. But um,
he certainly was a terrorI oft the game plan for
and unfortunately enough we have to deal with him for
a long time either. Pretty happy to yeah, Morris Johning
us the Doug Out Live show on Fox Sport Trader.
There's been a lot of talk about the paucity the
lack of of black head coaches. You've gotten an opportunity,

(24:44):
obviously only for a couple of years. I'm sure, um,
those those other additional opportunities are waiting if you guys
can get this thing rolling in Atlanta. But as somebody
who's been through it, right, who's somebody, this is a
life that you've actually lived, right, taking jobs out of college,
you know, going to Tampa a very young age in
your twenties and working your way up. How can there

(25:08):
be more Raheem Morris's and get more opportunities to coach
at the highest level, not just head coach in the NFL,
but but coordinator positions as well. You know, Um, we
had a summit quarterback summit, um about a week ago
at this point that Doug Williams and the Black House
what that cause Hall of Fame through? I'm along with

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Troy Vincent and you know, uh Commissionally Adele was there
and a bunch of owners, A couple of owners were there,
and a bunch of people sitting around having these same discussions.
And I think it's just a matter of time, um,
you know, and we're at the point now where we're
shown and people for somewing this, they're certainly capable of
taking these jobs and getting these jobs for myself personally.

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I got the job at a very young age. I'm
thirty two years old. I believe Doug we're the same age.
Thank you're forty four. I think I'm forty four. And
teen years ago, I was a different person. I was
a different human. I was a different coach, um. And
right now, the only thing that I can do for
myself to do the best job I can do deep
to the coordinated, to the Atlanta Southeast to put myself
in those shoes again. And when it happened, I learned

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from a good friend of mine that it's a different
between being ready and prepared, and the next time it's happened,
I'll be prepared. Yeah. I mean, like listen, Bill Belichick
was the greatest first time around. He seems that he
seemed to have been prepared the second time around. And
you know, you gotta be a little bit lucky. You
gotta get get healthy sometimes you gotta have a lack
of health in the division that you gotta have the
right owner of the right gm um. There's there's all

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different sorts of factors. If you were to and I'm
sure you discussed this with the commissioner and with Doug Williams.
If you were to say, hey, Raheem, how can we
make the Rooney rule? Because just just so you know,
I actually liked the Rooney rule because you know, the
perfect example is you're coaching with Dan Quinn who you
played for in college. So much sports is like any
other about relationships, right, but you have to establish that

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initial relationship, the initial conversation between GM and rising coach
and give guys a seat at the table to show
who they are if they're not in house, to to
where this coach you have is. So I like the
idea of the ruining world, but obviously it's not perfect.
I'm not sure we can find a perfect way. If
you were to make some addendums to it, what would

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it be? You know, I'm not sure about making the addendoms. Um.
I do think we wanted we all wanted to do better.
I do think UM providing opportunities to get people to
sit in front of our owners and get and get
in front of the owners to interview from these jobs
and the GM and always set different types of people. UM.
I think it starts there, getting in front and to
show that you're a strong communicator, you're a fundamental teacher,

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and also you have respect for the game. I think
so the key qualities that we've got to be able
to show and we get those opportunities sit in front
of those people. And when those things happen, the more
it happens, I think the more opportunities will get. UM.
I look forward to the next opportunity, just like I
know a bunch of other people do. UM, And when
it happens, you have already present yourself at the highest level.
Right Morris Defense Coordina Atlanta Falcons join us. I wanna

(27:58):
talk a little football here. Okay, we talked, uh we
we talked with so many other head coaches and assistant
coaches about trends in the in the NFL. You have
Lamar and what they're doing in Baltimore. I think the
Chargers may do a little bit of that. We'll see
what happens in New England. Then you have in your division,
You've got Tampa where you know, Tom's a guy that

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always likes to get rid of it quick, going into
a system where they want to throw the ball deep
down the field. UM, how much different is you You
were the when you were the head coach of the Falcons.
You're the means of the Buccaneers, you were the defensive
coordineer as well as the head coach. How much different
our defenses now as opposed to going back five years ago.

(28:40):
How much evolution has there been on the defensive side
of the football. You know, with a bunch um And
for us, you always gotta go out and you got
to study people and what they're doing, and you gotta
get ready for those upcoming opponents. The beauty the NFL
is the parody um. It's a different versions of offense
and defense and different divisions and how people work and
how you build a team to win at the compete

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at the highest level. So you got it ready for
those things. But I think ultimately, you know, when you
go out and you're talking about coaching decense in this league,
you bet ready for everything. You better have an answer,
or you better have people around you that can give
you some of those answers or help you get to
those answers in order to do ready to be prepared
for the very best, because that's what you're gonna see
every single week, and that's what we look forward to doing.

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It goes back to your identity and what is your identity?
What do you want to do, how do you want
to affect the quarterback? How do you want to get
the ball back? And how do you ultimately want to
stop people from be able to run the football in
you and win those rundown situations. That's that's that's how
we want to look at it. And we're talking about
deferense perspective. Right Hey Morris showing us in the Doug
Gotlip show on Fox Sports Trading. You mentioned all the
Zoom meetings, the Microsoft team meetings as well. Um, how

(29:47):
how do you prepare for a season when you don't
have the like how much more challenging is it? You know?
I don't want to go out and other land and
say we have the best virtual off season of all time.
I think that gets thrown out a little bit too much.
I will say this, We've taken advantage as a staff um,
as a as as a as a building um, from

(30:07):
a player standpoint, from the coaching standpoint, from a scouting standpoint,
at a high level, Um, guys, we are attentive. We've
got a chance to enjoy someone. We've got to meet people,
got chances Zoe people in UM, we've got a chance
to be with other guys, giving the coaches, to visiting players,
to former players that the current issues um to be

(30:28):
able to talk about it with our teams, give a
chance to bond and get closer, to slow down their
lesson plans because you're not practicing, to get him out there,
and ultimately gave him a chance to teach us back
and hopefully when we get on the field, all those
things show, because that's the ultimate test. That's well, that's
that's basically what it all boys down to. Um, what
what's you mentioned your time at home and how it
it can wear your wife out. It does give you

(30:50):
a chance to sit down with your family and have
some deep, meaningful discussions about what we're seeing across our country.
What are your discussions like with your family the ome
it's been, It's a pretty easy in my family. Um,
talking about a mixed family here. You know, UM, my
children are gonna grow up mixed. They have to make decisions.

(31:11):
We're gonna be able to teach him at the first
starting your home and deal with the social injustice and
what's going on in your home and talk about it.
Be really clear, make the message clear. It's about education.
Teaching them. Some of the great things that we're able
to do. Some of the great things already been done. Um,
the lesson started a long time ago in my home
in nine when my grandmother was born and she was

(31:32):
a strong black woman back then and became a a
teacher and supported her family. And that left us all
with no excuses. And that's the general theme in my
household is there's no excuses ever gonna be laid out
there for anyone. We're all gonna go out there, We're
gonna give our best efforts at it at all times.
For hey, man, Can congrats on getting the d C job.
I know you and Dan I'll have a great relationship.

(31:54):
Can't wait to see your team when you finally get
back on the field. Take care of that family, and
thank you so much for joining us on Fox Sports
Ray video pleasures. Mind right. Any Morris, good guy, talented
guy who by the way, first job in the NFL.
There's a minority internship program that that's how it started,
coming out of Hofstra and he grew his career from there.
So there have been avenues. And there's a guy who

(32:16):
put in the time and you know, got a job
in his early thirties. And I thought that's a great line.
There's a difference between being ready and being prepared. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific Doug
Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. More thoughts on Cam Newton
to come. Um, what what the NBA may do in

(32:40):
the bubble and allowing players freedom with the name on
the back of their jersey and why it could very
well completely and utterly backfire. It's one of those you
may be do it wanting to do the right thing,
but it comes out the wrong way and many of
us have have been guilty of that. Guilty is charge
many times. First, let's get to a game. This is

(33:06):
game time side on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Dan Buyer,
fresh haircut, fresh off the golf course. He's back, Doug.
We have a game today called Big Deal, Little Deal,
No teal. How much has changed big deal, little deal

(33:27):
or no deal That The Bronze reportedly spoke with Cam
Neinton this offseason the only other team besides the Patriots. Um,
I think that's a little deal. You know, you gotta
kick the tires. I mean, look, the big issue with
a team bringing him in is um he had to come.
He had some point he had when you say back up,

(33:48):
it's a completely different job. But the big thing is salary.
You know, you've gotta make very very little money, and
now that teams were set, you gotta be willing to
take take deals where you make almost no money, no
money at all, and I have incentive laden deals. So
that's the first thing with Cleveland. The second thing is

(34:09):
you don't want him to overshadow Baker Mayfield, who's very
much in a maker break here, you know, um, But
they have case Keenum, and case Keenum is a lot
like Brian Hoyer in that he's not good enough to
be a starter, but he knows the offense like the
back of his hand. Me keep in mind, case Keenum
took the Minnesota Vikings to the NFC Championship Game. It's look,

(34:33):
I know that the Saints had him beat if not
for one mistackle, they do beat him the Minnesota miracle.
But case Keenum was the starting quarterback of the Vikings
at the end of that season. We do remember that, correct,
And the head coach of the Cleveland Browns is a
lifer with the Minnesota Vikings. So there's a bond there.
He knows the offense. He is there, Chase Daniels. So

(34:56):
I mean, really, I think the Browns offered up to
say kind of thing like, hey man, you want to
come in and try and make the team at a
million dollars, go for it, go for it. So I
think it's a little deal that it's the Brown's people
make it well, that means they wanted somebody to come
in and beat out Baker Mayfield. I don't think that's
what it is. I think it's a big deal, and

(35:16):
that it tells you how many people had so many
questions about where what Cam Newton is and two people
who think it's a cinch he's going to beat out Jared'stidham.
What's that? Leak? Course always says, not so fast, my friend,
Not so fast, my friends. Maybe it could be big deal,
moderate deal, little deal or no deal. I don't know.
Maybe that could be New for One big deal, little

(35:39):
deal of no deal. Doug that. Richard Sherman said it
was disgusting that less talented quarterbacks than Cam Newton are
making fifteen to sixteen million dollars per season, while Cam
took an incentive laden deal with the Patriots. So so
I don't understand what the premise of Richard Sherman's argument is,
Like what discussed in what way why he hasn't been healthy?

(36:04):
He had shoulder surgery, he's had legs surgeries as well,
he hasn't been able to stay healthy. And when he
was healthy, he hasn't been that good. So I don't
and and so who's he talking about making? What was
interesting because I looked it up and Teddy Bridgewater makes
twenty one million per and the next quarterback after that,

(36:25):
if you were to enter the season Taysom Hill at
ten point five. So no one's even remotely close to
fifteen to sixteen million dollars a year. But somehow Richard
Sherman thinks that their quarterbacks like just came up, that
that's that's what Richard Sherman says something which is, as
you point out, definably untrue. But because Richard Sherman says it,
people think it must be true. Let's not. So I

(36:49):
don't know. That's it's a little it's a no deal
because I stopped paying attention to Ripertory. He blocked me
because I called him for being a phony before I
think he's a great football player, but this something stuff
he says, it's just dumb, big deal, little dealer, no
deal that Raiders owner Mark Davis doesn't want to sell
advertising in the seats that would be home to the
black hole in brand new Allegiance Stadium. That's a big

(37:11):
deal first year in his full brand news staying like, no,
I don't want to sell advertise. I went butts in
the staats. That means the butt of the stats. But
if the argument is hey, you can have nobody or
some ads. But then he takes some ads. I think
this is Mark Davis trying to become a man of
the people. Um and I'm I'm guessing he's holding out hope,

(37:35):
holding out hope. But in Vegas, you would think advertising
would be easy sell. I will say at a buddy
who was in Vegas for his wedding anniversary yesterday, and
he took a shot from the room I think in
the Blaggio and I mean his ghost town. Ghost town.
Still Johnny Manziel has been to Vegas once or twice.
A little dealer, no deal that. Manziel told the Lubbiged

(37:58):
Avalanche Journal that he feels his football playing days are
quote in the past end quote. Yeah, it's a little
deal seven years old. Yeah, that's crazy. Here's what's interesting. Okay,
as people know I have told you that. Everybody said, well,
why didn't he get paid when he's in college? You
should have benefited the name. John Menzel is twenty seven

(38:19):
years old. Right, if his life gets back in order,
which I know he's gone through divorce and some other stuff,
but he gets his life back in for the rest
of his life, he will be able to benefit from
his name, likeness, image, winning the Heisman Trophy, being a
star for really a season and a half at Texas
A and M. For the rest of his life, he

(38:41):
will not have to truly work, whether he does radio
or TV down there, just you know how contractors uh
from from the John Deere placed down the road. He
ain't gonna have to work. Why because that's the benefits
of being a star in college. Finally, Doug, big deal,
little deal or no deal that the Minnesota Twins will
be without two of their coach shoes who are in
the mid sixties because of COVID nineteen this season, it

(39:04):
does feel like a big deal. From from this standpoint,
you start to realize that while the players aren't. Really
nobody thinks the players are gonna be affected. It's the coaches,
which like, look, I don't want ages um, but man,
sixty years old, you're still coaching major League baseball, Like
maybe this is a sign that baseball needs to get
a little bit younger and fresher with some of their coaches.

(39:28):
This is game time on The Dug Gottlieb Show. Twins
are team. They're kind of a sneaky favorite to do
well this year. Of course, the Twins always lose to
the Yankees. Inside be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.

(39:49):
Heart Radio app What Up Doug Gotlip Show? Fox Sports Radio?
Do Do Do So? Uh? Thanks to Rahee Morris. Good dude,
good dude. And we could go back through what happened

(40:10):
in Tampa. Member secondary won ten games, Bottom fell out
that the following year, I only had three years as
the head coach. He'll get another opportunity. Hardest thing to
get is um is experience, right, and that's you know,
and it's it's like he was he was saying, where
you know. Roger Goodell said that it's coming. I think

(40:32):
it's actually fascinating when you look at it, because you
have you do have a a a substantial number of
of assistant coaches who have gotten an opportunity, and we'll
get another opportunity. I'll give you, like look in that

(40:55):
division and and what do you have? You know, if
you do, you have Raheem Morris who's a former head coach,
and then Todd Bowles who's a former head coach is
now the defensive corner with the Tampa Buccaneers. They were
the bright spot and Bowls. I still contend did a
good job with the Jets. They just didn't have any talent.
Mike mcagnet was bad, bad. He just he had Sam

(41:20):
Donald and they won but six games his last year
with bad talent Bowls. He was an excellent defenseive coordinator
with Bruce Arians in Arizona. Got the head coaching job
in Jersey, Like he's gonna get another opportunity because he'll
benefit like rahee Morris has from being a head coach.
That was That's the thing that in the past had

(41:43):
always been the black the glass ceiling for black head
coaches or black head coaching, Well, do you have any experience? Like, no,
I can't get an experience. Do you give me an opportunity? Right,
you gotta give me that first shot. Now you have
guys that have gotten that first shot. And how many
coaches are better their second time around? Own Belichick is
a prime example. Um, Mike McCarthy has a chance to

(42:07):
be a prime example in Green Bay. We'll see, We'll
see Pete Carroll, great example. Pete Carroll's with the Patriots
wasn't great, goes to USC tears it up, but a
phenomenal head coach with Seattle. You learned things from experience.
More on that to come. I saw this story and
I thought it's one of those that on the surface,

(42:31):
you're trying to do the right thing, alright, but this
is a lot like Lebron James's barbershop show. Here's the
story from Gabriel Fernandez. As a result of an agreement
between the NBA and the nba PA that's Players Association,
players participating the upcoming season restart will be allowed to

(42:52):
replace the last name in the back of their jerseys
with a statement on social justice. Sham Sharania of the
Athletic Report of this Who's late Saturday Night. Another reporter
report from Brad Turner points out that the move is
being done in conjunction with Nike, who serves as the
athletic were sponsor of the NBA. In recent years, the
NBA and its players been quick to adopt relevant aesthetics

(43:14):
in the face of social injustice around the country, being
in the national consciousness, particularly to Black Americans. Following the
death of Eric Gardner, of course, Lebron James, Kobe, Bryant,
Kyrie Irving all where I can't breathe shirts. That's Gardner's
final words. Players have also been vocal in the recent
deaths of both George of George Floyd, Brianta H. Taylor

(43:36):
and Ahmad Aubrey are Bury. That's that's that one. I
just that's a hard one. I mean, they're all awful
to watch and terrible stories. Nike has pushed to attach
anti racism message to its advertising, creating commercial that encourages
viewers not to annore the problem of systematic racism in
America in the wake of George Floyd's death. Well. NBA

(43:59):
teams can have multiple iterations of their jerseys for the season.
The name plate plate is often left untouched. Okay, So
what they're saying is like, hey, if you want to
have Brianna Taylor's name on the back of your jersey,
you can. That's a good thing. It's an absolute tragedy.
What happened to that young woman in Louisville, right she

(44:22):
was in a house, they had a no knock warrant,
They bust in and she gets shot. And to this point,
I don't believe the officers have been charged. Right, Um,
we've all seen the George Floyd murder and uh that
that police officer will get his day in court. But

(44:43):
that's obviously kind of the tipping point in so many
of these these protests. But here's the thing. This is
really important, and we're gonna put this out on social
media and that's great, okay, because I want you to
take a breath and understand what this means. No one

(45:04):
is pro racism. Okay. You can tell me that the
that the k k K is and come on, man,
that's a very small minority of people. It's not give
them the time of day or think that they're involved
in this discussion. I would say point five of Americans

(45:29):
are anti white supremacist k K I would hope. I
can tell you that I assuredly am. Everyone I know
is white, black, Hispanic, Asian, doesn't really matter. So they
don't actually get a a a part of this discussion
because what I'm gonna say would lead you to believe

(45:50):
that they could. But they can't because what they do
is hate speech. They should be labeled a terrorist group
very simply. Why they haven't yet I don't understand so,
but he's gonna have to explain that to me in
very simple words. I'm not smart enough apparently to understand
how hate speech is allowed now. They've always been allowed
to demonstrate. I do believe that while it's constitutionally allowed,

(46:15):
I think it would be different if if they're a
terrorist group. Would they be constituted out or protected by
police officers? I don't know. But the only difference now
is that small marches and demonstrations are made to seem
bigger because of social Media's one of the one of
the downsides of social media. It's not it's a very,
very small, I believe, I believe, minority of people. But

(46:42):
to the rest of the world, Okay, there's three million people,
let's say, to the three and twenty sensible reasonable people
who just want their kids to grow up in a safer,
better place. What what what do we deem to be

(47:02):
a social justice message? Because the way that free speech
actually works is you're allowed to say, I want social
justice reform and I want those cops charged. Right, But
if you're putting messages that are on one side, like okay,

(47:26):
are you allowed to put Trump on the back of
your jersey? Now? I wouldn't because not only do I
not support some of his policies, I don't support many
of the things that he has said and almost all
of the things that he has tweeted. Right, But I

(47:46):
can tell you that sixty million people did vote for him,
and not every human being that voted for him is
a racist. And some black people did vote for him,
not huge strong numbers. And there was is a there was, uh,
I believe some a recent piece of legislature that just passed. Now,

(48:06):
I don't know how strong it is. I haven't. I
don't do that for a living. In terms of looking
at the reform, the social justice reform that was passed,
the problem becomes, if you say, all right, you can
put whatever you want on the back of your jersey, right,
you're you're gonna you're gonna end up not actually offering

(48:30):
up free speech. You should be anti racism, You should
be anti death of any human being that doesn't need
to die in the streets. Right, we should be pro education,
pro jobs, pro you know, pro working together. But I

(48:51):
think you have to offer up the possibility that your
search for social justice, all right, your search for Jose's
justice from your perspective, is the only way. But that's
not actually the way it works. That's not what works.

(49:12):
Like I live in a highly republican area. Are there
some people that I don't agree with many of the
things they say? Of course there are, But you know what,
as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of
everybody else, they are very much allowed to say it.
That's the way it works. And are we going to
do that with the back of the NBA jerseys? And

(49:35):
we can sit there and go like, well, none of
those guys think that I don't know, none of them
thinking I don't, I don't know. I would guess no
one's going to put anything pro Trump, pro right or
center right sort of messages. Of course, of course they wouldn't.
That can hurt the league on some level. It'd be

(50:00):
comes an echo chamber, which is the biggest issue I
have with Lebron James's barbershop show. It's shot cool, there's
some funny stories, there's some interesting perspectives, but there is
no counter perspective, right, there's no count like and look,
this has nothing to do with social justice. But when

(50:21):
Lebron James on the shop says, that's what I knew.
I was the greatest player of all time when I
came back to beat when we came back against the
Warriors down three games to one, there was nobody who's
ever sat in that shop. There's like, come on, man,
Mike's better than you, or Mike never lost, I never
lost and says like, yeah, Lebron, you the greatest. Yeah, yeah,
that was great. No one's disputing that was great. That

(50:43):
was a herculean effort and there are many people who
would agree with that. Lebron James not only is the greatest,
but that was the greatest comeback in the history of sport.
I'm okay if you want to argue those points, that
doesn't mean I have to agree with you. And I
have a different perspective for you, a different perspective for
you so I get what the players Association wants to do,

(51:09):
but there actually has to be at least an option
there to have some form of your own opinion. You
can't just have echo chambers. You know, yes, you want
justice for Brianda Taylor, right, she by all accounts, she
wasn't anyone doing anything wrong. You don't ever want to

(51:32):
have happened whatever happened to George Floyd in that street
in Minneapolis. Right, there's two different um uh not optories.
What do they call when they when they examine the body,
two different two different autopsies. I don't. I mean ultimately,
the court of law it will say what the actual

(51:52):
try to determine what he actually died from. But the
fact that the cops sitting on his neck for eight
minutes and forty six seconds is unacceptable. It's unacceptab not
how we treat other human beings. And you know, you've
seen some policy changes, and obviously cops are gonna give
her to the chokehold, and you don't sit and stand
on somebody's carotid artery on their neck. There are other

(52:16):
ways to police people, but not every form of Like,
I don't agree with some of these statues. That are
trying to be toppled or have been toppled. And even
if I agree with them being toppled, there is a

(52:37):
process that we should be able to go through. We
got election coming up, don't we right, get a petition,
get on about vote, and most people go, you know what,
it's out. I don't know why the rebel fla the
Confederate flag was part of Mississippi state flag, and I'm

(52:57):
really happy that it's off the flag, but I I
also part of me is like they it did go
through the state and through the House. It went through
the proper channels. You didn't have people just you know,
burning flags and bringing them down and obviously was because
of all the political pressure, and I just I can't
believe it took him this long to do. So those

(53:19):
are the processes which you should go through. But the
point is that whatever your soul, suggice reform, whatever your
message you want on the back of the jersey, the
NBA is either going to simply put out all the
messages from Black Lives Matter and that movement. And there
are some that questioned the leadership and what the ultimate
goal of that movement is because if you just look

(53:42):
at it on the surface of the statement black lives matter.
Of course, I agree black lives absolutely matter. Now what
are we gonna do about it? But if you're gonna
put statements on the back of your jersey, is any statement? Okay,
obviously you don't want to do what John Morant did.
He apologize for it. But is somebody allowed to put anyone,

(54:07):
you know, like if you're a Ben Shapiro guy, if
you're a Trump guy, you know, if you're a whoever, whoever,
a leader is of any sort of movement, are you
allowed to do that? You know, you can't curate it
like it's a Twitter timeline. I can't do that. And

(54:30):
that's not actually the way that free speech works, where
you're like, hey, this is how I want it to
be done. Okay, I have another idea. Let's talk about it.
But but I fear what takes place end of the day,
does it really matter? Probably not, probably not um But

(54:53):
I I just think that the NBA, in an effort
to show free speech and a willingness for allow players
to speak their mind, to feel more part of the
process of social change, which they should, I do think
that they're not actually doing that because there are plenty
of names, sayings, groups, organizations that you can never put

(55:16):
on the back of a jersey, even though they're completely legal.
They don't terrorize others, they don't infringe upon the rights
of any other human being. It's just we're supposed to
be a country where you do are offered free thought, right, left, center, Republican, libertarian,
whatever else, Green Party, whatever you want. Yeah, are you

(55:38):
allowed to write there is no God in the back
of your jersey? What what if you put Praise be
to Allah, which it's just praise be to God. If
you're a Muslim, we allowed to do that? People would
be uncomfortable with it. It's free speech, it's not infringing
upon others, right Like, Oh, I didn't think I didn't

(56:00):
think of it that way. That's how the way it works.
You know what if somebody puts free Hong Kong on
the back of a Nike made jersey, that's social justice.
Not social justice in our country, it's social justice in
the world. Are you allowed to put them back in
New Jersey? Right? That? That has nothing to do with
Donald Trump? So I this is one of those that's

(56:25):
the law of unintended consequences, the intended consequences to allow
players to speak their mind, because the fear is from
many players that when you're in the bubble, nobody ever
hears you, nobody ever sees you. You can't be a
part of these marches. You can't be part of the
change that you want in your own communities. But are

(56:49):
we going to limit the free speech of said players
in the back of their jerseys. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug dot Leap Show weekdays
at three p m. Easter Noon. Paci Big Robbie Gould
knows this. I guarante, I guarantee. Did you know any
of those goonies? Have you seen goonies? Robbis absolutely okay.
It was the Fatalities, right, and they were driving a

(57:10):
they were driving a jeep and had the bullet holes
and chunks some and and and and then I'm not
making this one up. That time Goodies is an all
time classic, is it not? No doubt? You know. Here's
the thing. I got three kids, six, four and twenty
one month. We have Disney Plus on our TV NonStop.
Kind of crazy, but um, that is one thing I

(57:31):
can tell you. It's kind of unique to watch these
guys either sing the soundtracks or even them quoting the movies.
It's pretty fun. Yeah, my kids, my kids are now.
I have twin fourteen year olds and an eleven year old,
and they've never actually seen the bad parts of Lion
King because back when they were little, it was on
the DVD and we just skip over the part where
you know, the uncle Scar sets up his brother and

(57:54):
blames it on the sun. We're like, yeah, let's just
skip over that one and get to Hakuna Matata and
even exists Robbie Gould joining us in the Doug gotlif Show.
What's this? I mean? Obviously, off seasons for kickers um
aren't nearly as arduous as as some position guys. But
to have this much of an off season, this much

(58:15):
time at home, what's it been like for you? It's
been awesome. Obviously, this is my second year in a row.
Last year was because of the franchise holdout franchise tag.
So for me, I I was kind of interesting because
I had already known what I was gonna do. I'd
already had my plan put in place before COVID had hit.
So the uh, the workouts, the training virtual all that

(58:37):
kind of stuff that never really dissipated at all. What
was difficult here in Illinois is that you couldn't go
to like a park, and you wanted to respect the
roles of you know, social distancing and keeping out of
public places and things like that. So finally I had
my kids outside with their arms together, kicking and through
the uprights in my backyard. So, um, that was a

(58:58):
little challenging. But other than has been awesome to be home. Obviously,
I've spent for the last four years away from my
kids a good portion of the year, so they're to
spend that extra family time has been awesome. It's definitely
been chaotic, but um, it's definitely fun to be able
to be home. You listen, honestly, I know you have
little ones or whatever, but none of us are really
that sympathetic because you didn't have three in school, right,

(59:19):
like you have three in school, you know, doing their
school on zoom, and you become essentially the facto teacher,
like you know, call me when you have to be
the teacher, the home school teacher as well as the
al Right, so one, give me the one thing that
you never would have thought that you ever would be
doing that you did during quarantine you know, it's great.
I married. UM My wife was a former teacher, so

(59:41):
like she did most of the schooling. I would sit
here and help if my kids were doing at the
same time because they did different zoom links. Um. What
was interesting is when we got into the off season program,
I was literally sitting next to my kids. I was
having meetings and they were doing schooling. So it's like
the three of us and you know, online education in classes,
which is kind of unique. But um, I think you know,

(01:00:03):
for us, it was in the beginning, it was just
trying to find some sort of schedule and boundaries to
um what they needed. UM. You know, obviously they're upset
as it couldn't be around their their classmates, but I
think once they kind of get in their routine, they've
made everything a little bit easier. Um. We listen, we
were doing anything from big and cookies to have them
followed directions making muffins. They were working out um with

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me so that they got their gym class in. I mean,
we try to make it as normal as possible, but obviously,
you know, UM, things are around are unprecedented, truthfully, and
it's you know, it's great to see everyone over the
last couple of months, come together as a nation and
do something really special, um to help everybody out. Robbie
Gould joining us. By the way, He's got a web

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series called Kicking It with Robbie. Robbie talks with a
variety of friends, personalities, and sports industries and beyond. I
know you launched it during quarantine. Your personal story is
a really really interesting one, right. Grew up in Pennsylvania.
You'll walk on and Penn State. Um. Obviously now because
of what we learned before you played there, what happened
to Penn State? People look at Penn State football very

(01:01:10):
very differently than how I think I looked at it, right,
Like that was in my early days of covering collegian
sports and playing college s boards, and had friends that
played basketball there as well, back when I went to
the Sweet sixteen boy Joe Crispin and his brother John. Um.
What what what is your last memory of playing football
for Joe Paterno and Penn State? Well, back up just

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a little bit. You know, I wasn't even supposed to
come in a training camp my freshman year. I was
supposed to try to potentially come in when the school
years started or tried to grade shirt. I gotta call
a couple of weeks before training camp to come in
and compete for the job. Um. And then two or
three games into my freshman season, I was kicking in
collegiate sports. So it was a little bit of a

(01:01:52):
whirlwin for me. I mean, you know, I feel really
bad for the victims. I feel that is terrible that
it happened. UM. And at anybody has to go through
any of that. UM. You know, obviously it's it's a
great institution. UM. You know, you would hope that there
will be things process is put in place, UM to
manage and maintain those UM. You know, I had a

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great experience playing there. We weren't very good when I
was there, but I grew up thirty five minutes from there,
and my family got to watch all my games, UM,
and it felt right at home for me. So for me,
I had an amazing experience. UM. And you know, I
want to point out that the second you left, they
got good again. I just I don't know how many
people know that, but you guys were four and seven

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and then the second you leave eleven and one. Yeah,
would be original. I mean, I don't know. I mean like,
I know that there was some that the recruiting pick
back up and it changed the level of dudes out there,
But there is a bit of a correlation. Robbie Gould
goes on and and Penn State. So you get you
get done, Okay, you go from being a walk on

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to being a really good kicker. Um, then what happen?
I went to New England as an undrafted free agent,
and truly that is what catapulted my career and a
completely different atmosphere. I mean I was literally learning from that.
They're coming off the Super Bowl. Uh, they had just
beat the Carolina Panthers in Houston, and I was learning

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from Bill Belichick, I was learning from Madam Minitarry Monty
Packs and Josh Miller. Brad Two's one of the best
special teams coaches in all of NFL history. Um, and
then you know, you just got to see that winning
at one super Bowl. Not Grant. I think this was
probably their third. Um that it wasn't enough. Whatever he
did last year wasn't good enough. And Phil he made

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it very known that he didn't care how much money
you made and didn't care what your college accomplishments were.
He didn't care that you were at all pro of
the year before. Everyone had a job to do and
we need to start over. Um. And then just the
attention to details. I mean, I was able to learn
so much about football in situations, and um, you know

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that really helped me catapult my career to see the
NFL in a completely different light. Um. Then I get
caught for out of military, which obviously is a Hall
of Famer, so I knew that was coming. Um. Went
to the practice squad for a couple of weeks with Baltimore,
and then I got signed by the Chicago Bears after
being cut there and um within Chicago for eleven years,

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and uh, hold, you're you're skipping over. Didn't you have
a construction job in between? Like, didn't you like, hey,
this might not be for me. I gotta make some money,
And you went, did you have a construction job? After that?
I work? Yeah, I work construction for a buddy of
mine in the summers back in college and high school.
And uh, I needed a job, but I couldn't like
go tell an employer, hey, like, let me start working,

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but I might leave in a week. So UM, my
buddy who had a construction company in my hometown needed
some extra set of hand so UM. I ended up
helping him out UM and I was able to leave.
I was actually doing some field work and I ended
up moving into the office to do some stuff because
I have a business management background. And I got a

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call from the Bears and I hung up on them
three times because like, how do they know where my
employer is? Like, like, you don't put that on any application,
or your agent doesn't truly know a whole lot um.
You know that's like that's like that's that's like in
member major league, right, yeah, uh, you know, hey, what
do you think about managing the big club? I don't know, Charlie.

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I got a guy on the other line about some
white walls. I get back to you, right, that's you, Robbie. Like, Robbie,
this is the Chicago Bears. They'd like you to try
to be a kicker. You know. Listen, we we gotta
get this forklift out to this job site. And I'm
not wearing the proper doctors here. So can I call you?
Can I call you? Call you? But you you hung up.
I didn't even give him the chance. They're like, this
is the Chicago Bears on the gas funny huh. And

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I hung up on him, like I didn't even give
him a chance to tell me what they were trying
to do. He's like, why would anybody be calling me
from my construction job? Who only my parents? My agents? Like,
my agent has my cell phone number, so my cell
phone I never rang, so my agent will call him, like, hey,
the Bears. So finally the Bears called my agent, which
I have no idea how they got the construction number. Um,

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They're like, hey, you need to get on a plane.
I was like, yeah, sure, tell me what time. So
I was on a plane like seven o'clock landing in
Chicago for a trial with um, you know a handful
of other guys. And actually, you know, I was kicking
in Cleveland that Sunday. It was pretty wild trotty. The
Sunday was an absolute whirlwind. Why and I know you
made Pro Bowls and obviously you got a chance to

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you know, kick in the Super Bowl. Um, why has
is there such a connection with Bear fans and you? Right, Like,
I've just give me your own sense. I mean, I
know you still live there and you had a lot
of success there, and they have they've struggled, They had
the double Jink obviously, and they've they've struggled since you left.
But why because you're kind of like kicker. God, They're

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like what Vinitary is in New England, You're that guy
in Chicago. Why do you think that is? I just
think that there's a level of respect that I have
for this city and that the fans have for me,
and that will never go away. I have a love
for this place. And it's not anything against the forty Niners.

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Is nothing against the Giants because I made the Playoffs
with both of them. I playing the Super Bowl of
the forty Niners, Like, I have nothing against those teams,
nothing against those fan bases. Like I'm the all time
leading score in Chicago Bears history, and like my wife's
from here, my kids grew up here, They're gonna stay here, like,
and I think that resonates with them, you know. And
I do a lot to give back into the community.

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Um My wife and I you know, make it that
our kids need to learn, um to help each other
out and to give back to others and you know,
be a part of the community in a different way.
And I just think that that resonates to everybody. And
I think all the fans here know how much I
love them, and um, you know, the truly that's never
gonna go away. And one day when I'm done playing,

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I'm gonna retire Chicago Bear, and um, whatever happens between
now and when that retirement time comes, obviously we're still
trying to write a resume and Chicago will always be
where my heart is. Did you did you think you
had him in the Super Bowl this year? You know
it's interesting, Um, we had a great team. We have

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played really well all year long, even amongst games against
Atlanta where I think we had a six or seven
eight starters out your pro bowled players, Um, and you know,
came down to the wire, and I think those are
games that we needed as a team to kind of
Cata pulled us into the final game against Seattle making

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that same exact play, not making the same mistakes. Um,
you know, I thought we had a great chance against
a great team and I thought, you know, it was
going to be a shootout, which he came down to be.
And UM, it's gonna sting for a while, you know.
It's I've watched it the other night again for like
the fourth or fifth time, and you know we didn't
punt until the fourth quarter, like nine minute marks, and

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I didn't really realize that at the time. Um, But
we have played pretty efficiently throughout the game. Um, we
just didn't make enough plays down the stretch, and they
made the plays that they needed to get back in
the game and go ahead, and you know, we didn't
capitalize on some of our opportunities. But I also know
that it's a very young team with a young corps

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with a lot of upside um, and we're gonna have
to work even harder to get back because it's not
like we're taking anybody by surprise this year. Everyone knows
that we're a good football team. And um, I think
John and Kyle in New York Family did a great
job of being patient to put a team together. And
for me that's been fun to you know, as an
older player, like you want to win right away. Like
the only thing I want to do that I have

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left to do on my resume is won a Super Bowl,
and I've played into and I've lost them too. But
I also think there's something too as a as a
fan of watching and being a part of football and
seeing how they're I would love to be in the
organization in an organization in some capacity, but I think
it's unique to watch how they built the team and
how they structured their contracts and how they did things
in the process that they went through. I mean to

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get to where you were. I think my first year
we were we won one game in the first ten games,
nine games, ended up six and ten to now being
thirteen and three and playing in the Super Bowl. UM.
That talks a lot about the patients they have, but
also with you know, the I say, the the strength
they had to believe in John and Kyle's plan um
and you know, hopefully this year we can take it

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back to the Super Bowl and win it all right,
kind of quickly kicking with Robbie's your new web series
the most the most enjoyable. It doesn't have to be
the biggest name, the most enjoyable. Uh, interview with a
with a friend or a sports personality or somebody that
you had so far in your web series. Do you
know what's funny? I started this web series because I
want to get into broadcasting down the road, and I

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thought there was no better time to start something to
give people like hope and conversations around success, motivation, talking
about home run, like Joe Carter told me about his
home only hit in the World Series. I mean that's
as a kicker, that's like the end. I'll be all
for me, Like I would love for it to have
come down to a game winner and make it. Um.
But I'm learning so much from so many people. Um

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that every single one of them, because most of them
are my friends, have been a lot of fun. We've
We've done Mark Rowl thing, We've done Lisassaulters, We've just
did an interview with Sarah Spain. Um, we did Mike mcglinch.
You who's a teammate of mine. Uh, we did Ryan Dempster,
Who's so I mean listen, like, all of them are

(01:11:33):
different and everyone has a different story. So it's unique
for me to be able to do these and learn.
I think one of the biggest things I've learned from
American Century and networking and going to events is that
the more I listen, the more I learned. And this
is just something for me to develop a new skill
and have some fun. And um. Ryan Dempster's Robbie Gold
gaming fields unbelievable. Um, people got to check that out.

(01:11:53):
It's pretty good. But next time you talk next time
you talked to Demps, asked him how he got his
ginal break in broadcasting, and if he's honest, he will
mention my name. I used to we used to, we
used we used to do a show called Game Night.
He was like a six hour radio show. We bring
a ball player in every year for the playoffs in

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the World Series. Demps was going through Tommy John Surgery,
who was a member of Sincinnati Reds, and he spent
like a month in Bristol and we hung out together.
He taught me a ton about baseball while we talked
about broadcasting. And I don't want to take all the credit,
but a good, good portion of the credit is all
that I ever ever want. Robby's great stuff. Dude, Thanks
for catching up with us. Let's talk soon and uh

(01:12:35):
and get back to being Mr Mom. I appreciate that.
Have fun. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter
noon Pacific Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. What do
you How do you guys feel about making buyer watch goonies.

(01:12:56):
I definitely think so. The mama for Telly scared the
hell out of me growing up. That woman was frightening. Yes, wow, yes, yes, yes,
yes yes. Um that's an outstanding movie. I mean, listen,
Buyer is by buyer. TV shows knows him, golf things,
knows him sports stuff, unbelievable encyclopedic. But the lack of

(01:13:22):
new movie knowledge is kind of alarming, kind of alarming. Um,
we still love him, though, what do we do? Let's
get to what the function is. Colin Cowherd talking about
his expectations for Cam in New England. I don't think
Cam's gonna take New England to a special place. And

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here's five or six reasons why. Number one, it's a
very complicated system and he has not taken a snap
in it. Number two is he's not going to get
all the snaps. Jared Stidham is gonna get a lot
of snaps. Tom Brady wouldn't let his back up house snaps.
Jared Stidham's got fans in that locker room, fans on
that coaching staff. He's gonna get some snaps. Number three

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is Dante Scarnecki, the best offensive line coach in the
last twenty years, retired and I don't think this is
a great offensive line. Number four is New England doesn't
have any deep threats. I mean, one of the things
about Cam, he's a home run hitter. You cannot like
Cam all the time. He's not the most efficient guy,
but he's a home run hitter. They have no deep threats.
Number five is they don't really have a workable tight end. Yeah,

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Patriots have a weird roster for Cam Newton. But again
we look at it. Ever, everyone looks at the name
Cam Newton. You're like, God, Cam Newton, he gotta start
right away, but it doesn't actually fit how they were
playing or will play. Hey, like have have we have?
We seen the depth chart of the New England Patriots.

(01:14:53):
So look Cam Newton when he was in when he
was in Carolina and they were really really good when
they went to the Super Bowl. That was after after
Steve Smith was gone. You know, Edelman, Mohammed Sanu, ni Kill,
Harry hopefully comes through right. None of those guys are burners.
Harry and SNeW are bigger targets, which is what Cam needs.

(01:15:15):
Um so you know Matt Lacrosse, Uh, you know they
drafted to rookie tight ends. Like but we look at
Cam Newton, look at how much money somebody makes that's
the guy who usually gets right of first refusal. And
Jared Sidham doesn't make any money, but neither does Cam Newton.

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Hoyer I think makes more than both of them combined.
And he, if he makes the team, will be a backup.
I don't think it's a locked up since the Cam
is on this team. I think again, if Cam Newton
still has it, absolutely he should be and he should
be their starting quarterback. Just no one knows, No one
knows how he can play. Can he pick up the playbook?

(01:15:57):
What will their playbook look like? Can he throw Canny's shoulders?
Stay healthy? Can he stay healthy? Can they protect him?
And can he evolve within their system? There's a lot,
a lot of a note. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

(01:16:18):
and the I Heart Radio. Ah app What Up Tug
Got Leap Show? Fox Sports Radio, m m ah, Another
weekend with limited sports. It's just so weird. Just it's

(01:16:42):
it's just so weird. Now. Um, we'll have fourth July
this weekend, and man, what a what a disaster for baseball?
Right for Uly? Is on a Saturday, which is like
perfect perfect. I do feel like Fourth July is a
little bit for the line of fireworks is a little
bit like New Year's is was going out kind of

(01:17:05):
amateur hour. And then right, although I do like blowing
stuff up, I just don't want to blow myself up.
So that's why you know, now kids their college fund job.
I don't blow stuff up nearly as much as I
used to. All Right, then the Jason Pierre Paul thing, right,

(01:17:25):
we just show that that was that's when you like
you showed it to your kids, like whoa, whoa whoa.
Dad could have told me that was coming. There's five
things you need to know about blowing up fireworks, and
he's gonna need two hands to show you the five
things right anyway, Um, but we're not gonna have baseball

(01:17:49):
quick thought on Cam Newton. So the big news was
yesterday Cam Newton to the Patriots. Now the Patriots have
this is what they've been dumpster divers for a long time,
long time. The Patriot rehab machine has been has been
going on for a long time. And it's a team

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that you would think with Sony Michelle and James White,
Julian Edelman, Mohammed Sanu, Nikill, Harry like you got some
you know, all veteran guys, and maybe they maybe they
change this offense because one of the beauties to the
Patriots has been that there's no real scheme to what

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they've done defensively, right, They've been whatever it takes to
win that game. That's what they'll do. Free three four
don't care, but gosh, it'll be hard for Cam Newton.
In addition to the fact that he's just he continues
to change his throwing motion and and and continues to
get healthy. He's got to learn a new offense without

(01:18:58):
the ability to go in the facility in the are
in your future. That that that's gonna be hard. And
I do feel like as much as we'd all like
to think they're gonna run some readaction, remember the Carolina
Panthers had him and they tried to make him into
a true drop back passer before he you know, had

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to sit this year with that shoulder that continued to
hurt him. Think about that very seven, Like we all
look and think of Cam Newton and we're like, man,
what a dynamic run past threat. When you think what
Carolina had him, he rehabed. They chose to pass. His

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coach went to the Skins. He chose to pass. Is
the rest of his coaching staffs in Buffalo, they've chose
chosen to pass, even as a backup. Now, do I
think other teams in the NFL could have gotten him
for a million dollars with a chance to take it
to seven point five million dollars? Probably not. And I'm
sure a big part of the drawing card for Cam

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Newton is that he doesn't believe that another Auburn quarterback,
Jared Stidham, could actually be better than him. But we
don't know what, Kim, You're These people are like, well,
Cam Newton when he was healthy, Sometimes you don't get healthy.
Sometimes your shoulder is shot. Sometimes your legs just go

(01:20:26):
because you've taken such a savage beating. He is a
magnificent athlete. He's never been a terribly accurate thrower, but
he's always had a strong arm. That thing went. You know,
when when we say you're inaccurate, there's different types of inaccuracies.
You know. Josh Allen, he overthrows things, he guns them.
Lamar Jackson's kind of weirdness inaccuracies. A lot of its

(01:20:48):
footwork based but outside the numbers and sometimes short stuff
underneath stuff. He just he just you know, sails it.
But it does a great deep ball and he's obviously
awesome with those routes, especially the tight ends. Cam Newton's inaccuracy,
he just was was always a bit off. That's why

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they got big wide receivers. And then once he hurt
his shoulder and then all of a sudden hurt his
foot as well. Now he became a wildly erratic he
was skipping balls type of guy. That's not an NFL quarterback.
I know that in your mind, you think there's no
chance that Jared Stidham could beat out of Cam Newton

(01:21:31):
if it's a fair fight. But it's not really a
fair fight because Cam Newton hasn't been healthy and we
don't know if he's gonna stay healthy. He's never been
in the Patriot system Stidham has, and Stidham was fully
healthy and Stidhm is much younger, hasn't been banged up,
and there won't be O t a s or any
in person meetings where Cam we can work with guys
and work with a coaching staff in the near future.

(01:21:55):
But there's also and this is a big thing. Remember
I told the story last week about the piano I bought,
and you guys remember that story at all if you're
just joining us. This is the Doug Gotlip show on
Fox Sports TRADEO. I bought this piano m hm. Ten
years ago, maybe a nine years ago. I bought a
piano and the guy who I was purchasing like a

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Grand piano off of kept telling me it's worth twelve
dollars and I basically bought it for I don't know
grand and then paid for them to ship it to me,
which is like five and tun it which is like
five hundred more. And I just told him, like, sir, listen,
without with all due respect, you're worth, or your piano's worth,

(01:22:39):
what somebody's willing to pay for it. And if Cam
Newton only had two teams that he talked to and
the best he could do was a million dollars with
a chance to take it to seven point five, that's
what he's worth. Because the league doesn't know what he
will be if he's healthy, if he can throw, can
he stay healthy? And what does a healthy Cam Newton

(01:23:02):
at thirty one years old actually look like that's what
the Patriots are paying to see. They're not paying to
see him get them to a Super Bowl and win
a Super Bowl. They're just paying to see what he
can do. Fantas see what he can do. Uh. Then
you have these stories of two players, two Major League

(01:23:24):
Baseball players opting out of playing this season. UM. The
biggest name and most known is Ryan Zimmerman. Joe Ross
also gonna opt out of the two thousand twenties season
for personal health and safety, safety of the players and
of loved ones. Zimmerman's thirty five years old. He was

(01:23:46):
the Washington Nationals first ever draft pick when they moved
out of Montreal. He's played for the team every um,
every year since making his debut September one, two thousand five.
He's obviously faded here later in his career. They just
won a World Series. Uh, the team decided to opt

(01:24:07):
out of their deal, which gave a two million dollar payout,
and then they gave him a two million dollar contract.
So he's got plenty of money and he's choosing not
to play. And he says, quote, everyone knows how much
it means for me to be part of a team.
I will miss the camaraderie dearly this year. Of course,
I'd love to pursue back to back titles. I cannot
speak for anyone else, but given the unusual nature of

(01:24:28):
the season, it's the best decision for me and my family.
I truly appreciate the organization's understanding and support. To be clear,
I'm not retiring. I've not decided my future in baseball
past two thousand twenty. But this year I'll be staying
safe at home and pulling as hard as anyone for
the guys to defend their champion championship. Joe Ross, also
on that team last year, was seven years old, four

(01:24:51):
and four with a five point three A d r A.
I don't, I don't get it. I don't I get
that zimm his mom has multiple scurosis and he's got
little kids. But I don't. I mean, I look, I'm
fully respectful and frankly a little bit fearful. My mom's

(01:25:13):
in her seventies. We went over there yesterday. We do
the best we can. You know, we've only been over
to your house four times or so, five times or so,
only been in the house I think two times since
since quarantine. I'm not not sure. I get it, rama's
can you? I mean, look, you, we're supposed to do
the same. Boy, he's talking about family and health. WE don't.

(01:25:35):
But why is Ryan Zimmen at thirty five years old
somehow at risk? I get that his mom's at risk,
but why is he at risk? I don't understand. Yeah, no,
I yeah, unless he is coming home to them every day.
I assume or there with him, and I assume if
he did get it, he would quarantine himself. I don't know.

(01:25:55):
It is a fine seventy days plus training camp, right,
and you'd signed up to play Major League Baseball anyway,
which is a hundred and sixty two games plus training camp. Granted,
there's time at home, and I understand. There's just I don't.
I don't really understand, Gavin, Am I being callous? And
you've had some health issues by being too callous? Going

(01:26:17):
like somebody's got to give me a better? Like you
just fried by baseball? Are you really scared that you're
gonna get sick? Is your does your mom live at
home with you? I would think, you know, like, look,
I don't want to get in anybody else's money, But
do you mean to tell me that he couldn't get
her a really nice place. Yeah, for like six months.
He's got a lot of money. He was making like

(01:26:38):
six seventeen million dollars last year, and you're thirty five
and you just won the World Series, And I don't
get why he doesn't just retire. That's what's confusing to me,
unless he really thinks he has that much left and
wants to do Uh. Yeah, but I would say, I
would say that if you're if you think, if if

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you worried about how much you have left in the tank.
I could be wrong, But when it aren't, you better
off playing sixty and seventy days than trying to play
the one sixty two? You would think by or where
where are you on this? You're a big I mean
you like me, a big baseball guy. Obviously you're a
Brewers fan. Doesn't hurt the Brewers. But sure, um, I
actually have no problem with it. And if he doesn't

(01:27:21):
know if if it's you know, a family situation, he
says he was worried about not being able to see
his mom for months. I can get that. Um, maybe
you know, money obviously doesn't matter to Ryan Zimerman, so
there's no need to you know, just to play games
for money. So I actually don't have a problem with it.
And I mean, if if he got injured in the

(01:27:42):
sixty games, then there's no well, we don't know if
there's gonna be I guess here's the question. Okay, so
does that mean that he's gonna quarantine and only and
his kids are still gonna quarantine. They're not gonna go
out and mix and mingo with their friends. So that
he can still go over and see his his mom.
Maybe maybe just try not to do it as much.
I just I don't think that he wants to travel

(01:28:04):
around and go to different places and possibly be exposed
at all these different spots. I know, but it's not
it's not like you're I think it's different, you know,
from from the amount of travel that you may have
then to just kind of trying to take yourself out
of your you know, normal daily stuff. So I mean,
I think that we all know that there's some sort
of risk. There's there's there's Listen again, I'm in between

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the you know, I think there's legitimate risk, especially if
your mom is older or close to senior citizen and
she has MS. I thought that's a absolutely legitimate thing.
But my point has has always been, Okay, one Zimmerman there,
you can can't find a study that says a thirty
five year old professional athlete is at any sort of
substantial risk. You just can't. I know, Rudy Gobert supposedly

(01:28:50):
still can't taste stuff. Um, but I you know that, Like,
that's the worst case we've seen of a professional athlete
in terms of his recovery. So it's not him. As
for kids, kids aren't getting sick. They may carry it,
but they're not being symptomatic. They're asymptomatic. It doesn't seem
to affect them. Okay, So now what's left Now you're

(01:29:12):
talking about his mom, and my my point is that
if you're going to self quarantine and go over and
see your mom, great, if your kids are gonna self
gonna quarantine and then go and see his mom, right,
but the likelihood is it's in the summer, you're gonna
be outside. I just feel like people are using their
family thing and because we're told, you know, you're not

(01:29:34):
supposed to question somebody's family when it sounds like bold
to me. You know, the world is open, The world
is open, and if you want, like Avery Bradley, if
you really want to do it for social change, don't
throw your family out there under the bus. Have a
six like, it's not that long a deal. It's not
a long a deal. And would it would it suck

(01:29:57):
to to not see your kids for a substance intial
portion of time? I guess potentially. The first thing is, again,
there aren't everyone's telling us the kids aren't getting sick.
They could be carriers. There's some studies that say they
don't even spread it. But whatever, kids aren't getting sick,
so you can still go see your kids. Kids are
still gonna be getting out and playing and keeping your
kids inside all summer. I just if there's another reason,

(01:30:20):
tell us the other reason. He didn't like the bubble.
He didn't know the the lack of bubble. I should say,
you know, when you compare it to the NBA or
compare it to the NHL. He didn't really believe in
Major League Baseball's plan. Yeah, it's a it's a weird one.
Like I actually, had he gone out on top, that
would have made sense, right, Like you're the first ever

(01:30:40):
draft pick of the Nationals. They win the World Series,
they don't pick up your team option. They give you
two million dollars. You're like, I'm good, I'm good. Be
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Doug got leave Show Sport Radio. What happened there with Buyer?

(01:31:04):
He was in and then he's, uh, he has some
questions Doug about audio stuff in the hallway, and so
we were just telling him there's a twenty second Remember
I get back in your box. We're talking you last week.
Remember about I was running a little bit late because
it was a twenty second delay, and I was like,
oh boy, I didn't know that. I mean I didn't
know that until you walked in said there's a twenty

(01:31:25):
second to lay. That's why I was out, you know,
smoking pack of Marlboroughs. When does Big Mike get back?
That's a great question, don't you, Mike? Do you think
he's listening? I hope so. Then then why do you
say those awful things? Off? My? Do you do that?

(01:31:45):
How do you do that? Ramos just such so too faced?
Know what oh oh this is on? Oh I'm sorry
Doug Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Rick Buker
is going to join us in a moment. First though,
let's get to damn buy or find out what else
is going on. Yeah, the news that you were just
talking about a little bit earlier, people missed it. Ryan's
immerment of the Nationals choosing to not play in the

(01:32:08):
Major League Baseball season, sitting concerns over the health of
the health of his three young children and his mother,
who has multiple sclerosis. Joe Ross of the Nationals the
picture won't play in According to the Athletic Diamondbacks, pitcher
Mike Leak decided not to play in the abbreviated season,
and hil says of the two and fifty players they've
tested during phase two of the leaguess reopening, fifteen of

(01:32:28):
those players tested positive for COVID nine. Can I ask
the question, is anybody all these positive tests? Okay? And
again I come at this as somebody who's not in
any way in denial over COVID nineteen and the people
who have legit symptoms, you know, I know it's there's
some steroid that they're using, there's some treatment that it's better,

(01:32:50):
But are any of these people really. I know Rudy
Gobert apparently it's pretty sick and he's doesn't have that.
He hasn't had to taste, which there's some good to
it bad, right, Like I love food, not be able
to taste. But you can eat whatever you like health
stuff you never before if you can't taste it, right,
I don't know anyway, Um are any of these Does

(01:33:12):
anybody have reports of people actually being said like, there's
no why don't they do simplement symptomatic and and asymptomatic. Well,
I'm not sure about that, but I also think that
that is part of the problem that we're having, And
what's dividing us is that there are people who think, like, well,
I'm asymptomatic, what does it matter? Yet maybe he can

(01:33:32):
give it to someone else and then they have it,
and that's the big divide. It's it's of again, what
you could do to others. I think it is the issue.
And Cameron Champ, who is one of the first guys
to test positive on the PGA tour, has had three
negative tests after that, so there's there's some question to

(01:33:52):
on on is it accurate? Yeah, there there are some questions,
but I mean I'm just in the play at safe camp.
That's that's where I am. But not that you wanted
my personal no want. But seriously, yeah, so if you were, um,
if you're a baseball player, would you go play? Um? Can?

(01:34:13):
I'll tell you my personal thing. I had a discussion
last night with my wife because I'm supposed to go
back home to Wisconsin in August, and so we had
kind of joked around about me being quarantined for a
week or two, and then last night it became serious
of her being like, if you go, I we can't
be around. She takes care of her dad, who's in

(01:34:33):
his mid seventies, and so she's very, you know, very
concerned about it. So did you get tested when you
got there before you and someone? Yeah, I'm sure I could.
And when I come back, I could get tested and
I could get tested the next day. It's also the
risk of do I want to not see my wife
for two weeks or see your dad for two weeks
just to you know, go off on a plane. And

(01:34:56):
so there's there's that, there's that discussion as well else
today I'm sorry, No, that's all right. Uh. The Grizzlies
guard John Morant, you touched it on this earlier but
those that may have missed it apologize today for sharing
a social media post that directed profanity towards police officers.
I think I was going to get to the NHL story.
Two fifty players they've tested so far in phase two

(01:35:17):
of the league's reopening. Fifteen of those players tested positive
for COVID nineteen. All right, Doug, it's all yours Stan
Byron Doug got live show Fox Sports Tradio. Rick Bucker
joins us from Bleacher Report, and of course you see
him on Speak for Yourself and other TV shows on
Fox Sports one. I want to get to your thoughts
and what you're hearing about the NIXT job in a second.
But Buke, we we talked about the bubble and whether

(01:35:39):
or not you go. But if you were a player,
would you play uh in the in the NBA bubble? Yes,
If there was any sport that I would play in,
it would be the NBA bubble because uh number one,
there's no um I've actually I'm I was asked what

(01:35:59):
I by Bleacher Report. Would I go in the bubble?
Uh to cover it? And I said yes, uh? And
so uh one, there's a there's a work element to
it um, this is what I do, this is what
they do, and the precautions that are being taken. I mean,

(01:36:20):
let's let's be honest with everything that the NBA has
at stake. Going down there and playing UH is probably
the safest place that you're possibly going to be as
far as the people around you all being committed to
the same thing. I don't know that there's any place,
even living out here in California, where I can guarantee

(01:36:42):
that everybody is of like mind and taking the utmost precautions. Now,
there's always that human behavior question is to whether everybody
is going to take it seriously. But for what's at
stake and what the and the measures that the NBA
is taking, I would expect that the bubble is actually
going to be the best place that I could be

(01:37:03):
if I'm worried about getting COVID night. I I believe
the same thing with college athletes, to be honest, because
the medical care that you will get, the attention to detail,
the availability of tests is much greater there, and it's
not like you're in a bubble at home anymore. Right,
unless they go back and I don't think they're going
to knock Wood to the stay at home orders and quarantine.

(01:37:24):
It's not like you're coming from a sterile environment and
going into the bubble or in Major League Baseball. Like
I just I think people are looking at this at
this all wrong. Um, well, what's the real Like the
Avery Bradley thing is weird, right because he was part
of the coalition with with Kyrie Irving talking about the
need to maintain a focus on social justice and I'm

(01:37:47):
playing and then and then he hit us with it. Hey,
I got a six year old kid who can't come
to the bubble. Um. It feels like he put the
family thing out there so no one will question him. Yeah,
And I don't know. I don't know enough to to
question what his motive is and why it came up

(01:38:07):
as it did. So I'm going to take him at
his word. Clearly, from the very beginning, Avery was conflicted
about coming back and playing. And uh and I this
is what I do appreciate about what Avery and and
and how he has approached this, or at least how
he did at the beginning, which was if we're gonna

(01:38:28):
come back and play, let us utilize this as leverage
for things that are going to address social justice. And
and and for me, that leverage is not we can
put things on the back of our jerseys that I
that feels like such an oaky dope to me. And

(01:38:49):
it's not something that Avery Avery talked about. He he
looked for like real systemic change, creating uh, creating opportunity
these and uh and and structural empowerment for minorities. That
to me is what's going to change something, not the
back of jerseys. Even to the point of, you know,

(01:39:10):
it's brought up to me today, which I thought was
a great, uh, great thing brought up by a GM
I was talking to. If you, if you, if you're
the Players Association, you should be asking, Okay, so the
league is spending about a hundred million dollars in this
to create this bubble, how much of that is going

(01:39:31):
to minority owned businesses? Are you using minority owned bussing companies?
Are you using minority owned catering services? If you really
wanted to kind of shift the dynamic, uh, that to
me is a real shift changing. You know, putting slogans

(01:39:51):
on the back of jerseys just seems to me like, okay,
it's it's a little bit like the four guys standing
up at the It looks nice, it sounds nice, but
ultimately it's not creating the change that I believe. And
I I will be honest with you, I think that
putting the putting a slogan on the back of Jersey's
a massive mistake because are you gonna limit limited right?

(01:40:14):
Because well, I mean, are you allowed to put Trump
to what if? What if you thought that? I mean, like,
I don't believe anyone would, Okay, but the idea that
you you couldn't do it without getting shouted down yea
in either direction, either to this idea of it's like,
it's not really free speech. It's only free speech if

(01:40:36):
you agree with with majority of people who think that way, right,
and it's that's not the the idea you're right. And look,
this has been my thing with you know that, whether
it's the Dixie Chicks changing their name or something else,
was which change over the weekend which felt felt like again,
I don't know if Oki dok is a great great
ways like, look, it should be about it should be

(01:40:58):
about giving people a better shot at education, to feel
like they got a better shot at education, at at
safe living, living in a safe community where their kids
can't go to school where their property values go up
and they feel like they get a fair shot from
the police officers, from the government, to where we all
do feel like we're at somewhat of the the same level.

(01:41:20):
And and and I and and then the limitations on
the supposed free speech strike me as as as a
little bit a little bit far from what the actual
exercise is supposed to be. Rick Puker joining us on
the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Um,
the next job, they've interviewed a bunch of people supposedly supposedly, Um, uh,

(01:41:45):
you know they had one guy in mind. And is
that the guy who's getting the job? Yeah, I would
fully expect that it's still Tom Thibodeau's job to lose.
And is it Tibodeaux or Thibodeaux because he's known as TIBs.
Everybody says TIBs, but it's spelled with the thh. So
are we doing the silent age thing? Yeah, it's Tibbs,

(01:42:08):
but the full name is actually Sibideaux. But is it
is it? Is it Tibodeaux? And they just don't pronounce
the H much like Brett Farve where we screw up
the thing totally? Is it really? It's really? Then why
isn't it Tibbs because that's a little it just sounds funky,
is easier. But his name is Okay, you know what

(01:42:28):
this is like? This is you know what this is like?
You're actually asking me to get into like human psychology. No, no, listen,
you ever ever been in Louisville? Okay? So will anybody?
From what they say Woiville? Right, that's how they say it, right, Okay,
so Louisville. It's like vu Cincinnata, but but it's but yeah, Cincinnata,

(01:42:52):
but it's called the Natty and then it's Louisville, only
they call it the Ville. I don't get it. I
don't I don't under I don't understand. Okay, um, like
I like tips um. And obviously he got a lot
out of the guys in Chicago. It didn't work in Minnesota.

(01:43:13):
Why why is it a relationship with Leon Rose? Why
is he the guy with the knicks? I would say
it's a combination. Number one, the idea that they need
somebody who is uh is going to they have a
young roster they'd like to see more disciplined in that roster.

(01:43:34):
You know, this is always the un In the end,
you have a player's coach, and then you're gonna have
the disciplinarian, and then you go back to the players
coach and swing back and forth with the young roster.
The feeling is is that that that they need somebody
who is going to uh mold and cultivate these guys,
and and the tips is the guy to do that
among all the candidates out there, that he is the
guy to do that. But it really, you know, number

(01:43:57):
one is it's the related ship represented by CIA. They
just announced it worldwide. West is not going to be
an official part of the Knicks. He's always gonna be
a part of the Knicks, just a matter whether it's
gonna be official or unofficial. And actually I'm kind of
surprised that they that they're putting a name plate on
him because now he's under the jurisdiction of the league,
which uh worldwide has always worked better in in in

(01:44:22):
the margins in terms of what he does facilitating things. Nonetheless,
look don't forget, Leon has never been an executive before,
He's never been on this side of the equation, and
so it's going to be paramount for him to be uh,
to have somebody with him that he trusts and that

(01:44:43):
he knows and feels like is on the same team.
And certainly he has that more so in Tibbs than
he does in anybody else. Now. I believe that they're
going through all of these interviews because much like when
anybody comes into a job for the first time time
or an arena for the first time, they want to

(01:45:03):
learn as much as they can. So this gives them
an opportunity to pick a lot of brains that they
normally would not be able to pick. Uh, why not
have Mike Brown come in and find out exactly how
the Warriors operate and maybe steal a few ideas to
incorporate into the next system. It's it's a it's a

(01:45:23):
smart idea. But from everything that I'm hearing, and I
wanted to bring this up just because the last time
you and I spoke about this, I didn't know whether
they were interviewing all these guys because it was a
question of Tips still the guy or or whether it
was this fact finding mission. And I've since found out
that it is the former, not the latter. That I

(01:45:46):
would still expect sometime later the in uh, mid to
late July that we're going to get an announcement the
Tom Tom Thibodeau was the next head coach of the
New York It is fascinating, right, you got aren't running
the Detroit Pistons, right, and and you have you know,
Golden State run by a former agent as well, you
know Bob Meyers. The Lakers are our Polinka and now

(01:46:10):
Leon Rose. Like obviously this is very very much, very
very much a trend. You start, you know, the Clippers
that functioned quite well with Lawrence Frank, who's of course
a former head coach running their organization. It's just it's
it's interesting, like who I mean, Um, I guess the
question becomes like, you know, Leon Rose Clutch Sports and

(01:46:32):
those guys were with CIA then they went to U
t A Like are they Are we going to see
cross pollination? Right? Because we've seen players leaving for Clutch
Sports and there are players that are CIA guys. I
wonder if they'll be if we're gonna have all agent
represented teams at any point in time. Yeah, I don't.
I feel like it's a trend and not all of

(01:46:53):
these are created equal, obviously. Bob Myers at least had
the apprenticeship of working under Terry Web for a while.
I think rob Olinka has done more than people expected
him to do and had more success in in patching
together a roster. But it's when you have Lebron James

(01:47:13):
and then you gotta go out and you gotta find
people put around him. That's a starkly different responsibility and
task than say Leon Rose has with the New York
Knicks and or that for that matter. Of what what
Aren't has with the Detroit Pistons now is they're they're
in a very interesting position, and I just I don't

(01:47:38):
The other part is is that you can have these
guys named as team president or in these positions, but
are they really making all of the decisions? How much
input are they getting? How what what's the rest of
their staff look like. It's It's one of the things
where I give the Chicago Bulls a ton of credit

(01:48:00):
in their makeover because they didn't just hire our tourists.
They hired Mark Eversley, the hired a couple of assistant
gm They're taking a look at like how much internal
uh brain power can we create as opposed to just
going out and getting that one big name. The best
franchises now are run because they have a depth of input,

(01:48:26):
not because they have that one genius at the top
of the at the top of the masthead U best guest,
Louiam's gonna make make the trip. I would say yes.
I would say ultimately that between Doc and Doc has
a great relationship with him, so I would think that that, yeah,

(01:48:46):
it's it's Louis is one of those guys though that
I thought was the first guy I thought, is he
really gonna want to do this? Um? Because Doc will
tell you, like there's one guy anytime there's a uh,
voluntary practice or should we practice? Should we not practice? Lose? Always? No,
we're good, we don't need we don't need to smell
the gym um. So I think this is some of that.

(01:49:10):
But the opportunity to win a ring, even in this
unique circumstance and the relationship, I just think Paul, George
Kauai and Doc are gonna be able to convince lou look,
we need you along for the ride. Let's get this done.
Come join us. Awesome stuff you great intel, Thanks so
much for joining us, and we'll catch up soon. That's

(01:49:31):
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(01:49:53):
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Every day this time we gets caught up in all
the stories to day. We do so by getting to
the press, the press. Damn what he got, my friend, Doug.

(01:50:14):
We start out in the NBA. The Toronto Raptors the
first team to report to Florida at advance of the
resumed NBA season. They're gonna be working out in Fort
Myers for two weeks and then they'll enter the Orlando
bubble after that. Raptors guard Fred Van Vleet today at
a video conference with reporters, explained how maybe they shouldn't
have been playing, but ultimately he decided to hoop it

(01:50:36):
up in Orlando. It is terrible timing, but that's us.
So I think obviously we all know the right thing
to do is to not play, to take a stand
to you know, morally, yes, that makes sense, but life
goes on. We're all young black guys and none of
us want to give any money back. And I don't
think that we should. And I think that money can

(01:50:56):
be used in many different ways. And this is not
this is not gonna in the summer regardless. It's a
really mature way of looking at it. I I you know,
he gets lost a couple in words, but that's basically
what I've been saying, is like, look, if you if
you want to like the biggest the two things that

(01:51:20):
make the most change maybe three obviously how you vote, okay,
how educated you are, and resources provide the ability to
to you know, money, money makes everything easier, like if
you have causes. And I'm not saying and it doesn't
make by the way, it doesn't make any of these

(01:51:40):
men less down for the cause that they donate. Don't
donate their money. Like I'm not gonna sit here and
tell you what to do with your money. Would never
do that. But if you want power and you or
you want influence, or you want things to happen, getting
financial resources two people that needed or or core operations

(01:52:00):
or you know, all of these things, it's made a
whole hell of a lot easier. When did your money.
If you're waiting for the state to give you money, right,
there's usually a string that attached or you have to
got I gotta go through processes. So I don't actually
think the right thing to do is to stay home.
I don't know anybody who actually, truly, honestly believes that

(01:52:21):
does any good to anybody. It just doesn't Doug. This
summer is the tenure anniversary of Lebron, James and the decision.
Bill Simmons saying that Lebron was actually ready to go
to the Knicks in but the meeting bombed because of
James Dolan and uh, I guess Donnie Waltz that then
GM was also in on the meeting, but the Knicks

(01:52:42):
had it in their hands, but the meeting just did
not go well. Yeah, I had heard the Knicks where
that he wanted to go to the Knicks as well. Um,
and I did not know that that he bombed. Wasn't there?
Was there? The ESPN have a thirty for thirty last
night and it was it was. It was what they
call the backstory. I think it's with don Van not
I have it, Dvard. But I haven't heard anybody quoting it. Right.

(01:53:06):
I could be wrong, but I haven't heard anybody quoting it.
We did a little on our show yesterday because there
was some stuff in advance, and all the idea actually
came up in a Bill Simmons mail bag by you know,
a Pistons fan who suggested, and I've argued, Doug, I
think all free agency decisions should be made that way.
That would be awesome. Kyrie Irving one night, Kevin Durant
the next. You know, if this was if this was

(01:53:28):
last offseason, that'd be great. I just wish there was more.
I wish the guys would say why they chose what
they chose to kind of go through all the pics.
That would be really you want must see TV, that's
must see TV. Like, look, I thought about Kevin Nix,
and then I was like, they got James Dolan, No thanks.
I was like, Miami, Miami, sweet Dwayne Wads there, We'll
take a couple of the players Swarms no state income tax,

(01:53:50):
Like it's the easy call. And I was like, I mean, look,
my my hYP working hypotheses has always been this. The
guy grew up in Akron, then he got drafted by Cleveland.
Any anyone needs to get away and go to college.
You never went to college, and this is a chance
to kind of grow up and mature. And he did.
He did an he won two championships, went to four
NBA finals, and he got over the hips of the
first championship. Like that was a maturing process. I understand it.

(01:54:14):
My only thing was I just you should have given
the guys in Cleveland heads up. That's what you do.
Heisman Trophy winning quarterback Johnny Man's else is is football
playing days are likely quote in the past, and speaking
with the Lubbick Avalanche journal manziel says he's gotten to
a point in his life where he's trying to achieve
happiness in life and not on the football field. It's hard, man,
It's hard, um, But you know it's it's always interesting.

(01:54:36):
We talked about there's been a lot of talk about
racism whatever. Like look, I I talked to these kids.
We had some kids who are coaching a youth team.
Yesterday we played in a game yester the last two
days and we got beat three out the four games
and were playing with younger kids against older kids. But
they were there. They just beat us, not all their
kids are older, and I said, hey, look, this is hard,

(01:54:59):
and you know at some point it's gonna end for
you that most people, it doesn't end the way they
wanted to. For Johnny Menzel, he got an opportunity in
the NFL to start as a rookie, but he just
was not ready for that opportunity. Just wasn't ready. Netflix
announced it will be home to a six part series
about Colin Kaepernick called Colin in Black and White. I

(01:55:20):
don't know why it took so long to get this
thing done. They should be shouldn't have been in the
can like that. Do you know if that's unless it's done,
which is not done. I think he just chose a
friend of mine to to produce it. I don't understand why,
Like it feels like by the time it comes about,
we're talking two years from now. Doesn't mean he won't
be impactful, but it won't have the same impact. Two

(01:55:43):
top high school hoops prospect Demanty Bates has decided to
play at Michigan State. That's a huge yet. You know,
he's six ft ta. He's like Kevin Durant type who
can play a little bit more point guard. You know,
the big question will be what happens when the G
League Select team comes and offers him some ungodly summer money. UM,
I guess would be he goes to Michigan Stakes, get

(01:56:04):
out there and pressed. That was the press. What you
make is about two things. You're worth, what somebody's wanting
to pay you, but also your ability to create leverage.
If you're sitting around asking today, why is Cam Newton
only making a million dollars? Okay, part of it is
New England can't pay him that much because they don't

(01:56:24):
have salary cap room. But the biggest part of it
is you didn't have any leverage. You can't drive up
the price when no one is interested. And if you
ask why no one is interested when you're a quarterback
and the number one thing you have to do do is
throw football and you've had shoulder problems, there's your answer.
We'll see if Cam Newton earns his way to being
a starting quarterback. Be sure to catch the live edition

(01:56:47):
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