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October 11, 2024 83 mins

John reacts to the 49ers beating Seattle for the 6th straight time on Monday Night Football and explains why the Hawks/Niners rivalry has flipped in recent years, why the refs completely blew the replay review and why Seattle needs to roll the dice in order to change the trajectory of the franchise.

Then, an Aaron Rodgers edition of  "Fugazi Friday" 

Finally, John is joined by The Action Networks betting guru, Stuckey to talk about the weekend's best bets.

6:00 - Niners/Seahawks rivalry has flipped

19:00 - Refs can’t miss a replay review like that

26:00 - Seattle needs to roll the dice

40:15 - Stuckey’s betting advice

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After watching the forty nine Ers, I would say dominate Seattle,
but the game got pretty interesting there in the second half.
The final score reflects, I think what we witness the

(01:54):
majority of the game. Nin Er score thirty six points,
which is a refreshing outcome for Niner fans.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
How they have.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Blown back to back divisional games with the Rams and
the Cardinals, and last week the Cardinal game, it kind
of felt like it was happening again. Right at the
ship get a big win and go to three and three,
as does Seattle. Gino Smith continues a poor play. We'll
dive into it all. Obviously, it's also Fugazi Friday, and

(02:27):
Stucky will join us as he does every Friday, and
I talked a little bit about it with him. But
there was one giant fugazi this week, and it came
on a phone call that happened on Monday night in New.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
York or New Jersey or wherever the hell.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Woody and Aaron Rodgers live in their mansions back in
the Northeast.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
But what a moment.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Robert Sala gonna just go on vacation. I think Mike
Silver tweeted his plans because I was getting asked, so
the forty nine ers just hirements or defensive coordinator. Mike
Silver knows all these guys, was like, he plans on
getting his kids and going on vacation. It's like, so
if you're just the young and he has like fifteen kids.
So if you're just like a twelve year old in

(03:10):
the middle of school and your dad gets fired as
football coach, he just gets to take you on vacation.
That would be a pretty sweet life. My dad never
would have done that. He might have gone on vacation,
my ass would have been in school. But if that's
the case, props to the Solid kids for enjoying life.
But we'll dive into it all. Pick some bets for
the weekend's games. Obviously we've got a big game with

(03:32):
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the forty nine ers, you know, let's just start with
the rivalry because it had become a really really good

(05:01):
game and considered a rivalry. And it started with Jim
Harbaugh and Pete Carroll, and then it carried into Kyle
Shanahan and Pete Carroll, and now I think it has
a chance to continue with Mike McDonald and Kyle Shanahan.
But it's always been one sided. Russell Wilson was seventeen
and four against the forty nine ers. He completely owned them,

(05:25):
like he dominated the rivalry. Some of his most magical
moments of his career felt like they came against the
forty nine ers.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I mean, he destroyed them.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
And I'll give Seattle a ton of credit when they
pivoted off with him, which I was guilty, like a
lot of people.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
I probably talked a lot of shit.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I thought it was not that it was a bad
move in the sense of moving on from him, but
they're like, we're gonna go with Gino Smith and Drew Locke,
Like that ain't gonna work, that it would be a
disaster and their team would fall apart.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Turns out they were geniuses.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
They got rid of Russell Wilson, which was incredible for
forty nine er people, whether you're on the team, whether
you're a fan, whether you're a coach, it's like, get
that guy out of the division. And if you're a
Seattle fan, it's like, your franchise has been very respectable.
One nine games last couple of years, one of the
playoffs two years ago. Lollo's kind of similar right now,
probably end up nine ish wins with Geno Smith, but

(06:18):
it's flipped this to Seattle owns the Niners too. Now
the Niners own Seattle. There's six to zero against Geno
Smith and the Geno Smith who listen. I have a
lot of respect for resurrecting your career, but when he
plays against the forty nine ers, he looks like the
guy who was available for nothing a couple of years Ago,
who any team could have had as a backup. He

(06:40):
just doesn't play well against them. And this was a
guy a couple of weeks ago against Detroit on that
Monday night game. It's like, I get Brian branch Is out,
but holy shit, I mean he was slicing. He looked
fantastic in that game. He never plays like that against
the forty nine Ers, and obviously part of that is
the forty nine Ers pass rush both.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I don't know what his final line was, but he was.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
In Geno's just grill all night long, moving from the
left side to the right side, spin moves, counter moves,
power moves, so I don't know if he gets rattled
off that and just fred flying around the Niners dbs
obviously through two picks today.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
One pick was his first one was pretty atrocious.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
The second one Herbstreet kind of mentioned Ronardo Green, the
rookie from Florida State undercuts it.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
DK probably ran a bad route.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
But just to the theme of this game and this
new kind of addition of the rivalry with ran by
Gino and now with Mike McDonald is completely one sided.
I mean, the forty nine Ers fucking owned these guys now.
That Russell's gone, which is good for them.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
They need it.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Obviously they needed this game, but this used to be
a place that was intimidating for them to play.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
It is a hard place to play. It gets really loud.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
You could tell it was getting allowed in the second half,
and the forty nine ers are pretty unfazed. And I
think one thing that's crazy about the forty nine ers
three divisional games, and it felt like for a moment
like if Seattle scores there the nine or lose, does
Jed York let Kyle Shanahan fly in the plane leff
right home. I mean it would have been a carbon
copy for three straight divisional games, the same thing dominating

(08:15):
the game. I look back, they outgained the Rams they
buy a lot. I think by like one hundred and
forty yards. They outgained Arizona last week, not by as much,
but they out gained them. So you like yardage and
moving the ball has not been a problem, but they
have been horrendous in the red zone. I think last
week they were one and six, and I know I

(08:39):
saw a clip where Colin said on the TV show
that party has come back to the mean, and I
would have to disagree with that. I actually think Party's
been pretty good this season. I actually think Kyle has
had an off season, have been terrible in the red zone.
That there were a couple drives today early in the
red zone, You're like, Kyle, none of these players are
even remotely close. And then there was a drive where

(09:03):
I think, oh was the end of the first half
for Seattle, where Ryan Grubb is clearly a pretty good oc.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Now they didn't end up scoring, but like all three plays,
the guy was opened.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
The DBS made a couple good plays and one play
DK stepped out of bounds, but it was like, Kyle,
whatever you're doing right now in the red.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Zone ain't working. And listen. Obviously you're a good offensive coach.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
You are gaining yards and having success on these drives
against every team you play.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
But then they get close to the goal line and
they can't score.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
And then a night it flipped and Perty I think
got a lot of momentum when he hit Kittle on
the touchdown on like the out route and the front
of the goalpost, hit him on another one in the
middle of the field. Obviously the late one to use check.
But if the Niners are going to score touchdowns. Like
their defense is not as dominant as it's been, but
like moving the ball and calling plays the twenty to

(09:52):
the twenty has not been a problem for them at all.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean Mason who hurt his shoulder tonight.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I was texting someone honestly, and I'm not comparing, like
saying that's what he's gonna be. But his running style
is a lot like Marshawn Lynch. He has these heavy strides,
his cuts are really like bounces, and on contact he
can just run through. Like you're watching him tonight, it
looks like, is this guy get about to go for

(10:19):
like one hundred and eighty yards? They hee had nine
carries for like seventy then he hurts his shoulder and
maybe Kyle didn't want to risk it whatever, But like
that's a really, really good player, which is ironic because
everyone is like the.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Reason they can't score in the red.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Zone is because Christian McCaffrey is injured, and it's like,
I got to push back on that. Clearly, you would
rather have Christian McCaffrey than not have Christian McCaffrey. Like,
no one's debating that, but let's look at the guys
they do have out on the field. George Kittle should
be a good red zone target, Like you should be
able to design plays for him, obviously to Deny and

(10:55):
it worked. Juwan Jennings is like six three sixty four.
I have to say he's a pretty good red zone target.
Deebo Samuel is like one of the best gadget players ever.
I mean, you should be able to figure out a
way to run a play or two for him to
give him a shot. And then Brandon Ayuk, while not tall,
is an elite route runner, so you should be able

(11:18):
to scheme up plays with him in one on one
situations where he can break off and create some space.
So to me, it's on and I think the quarterbacks
been playing pretty well. He does one thing that's driving
me a little nuts, and it clearly is driving Kyle
nuts because tonight Herbstreet said and the way he phrased
it was classically like an announcer. He wasn't gonna give anyone

(11:41):
credit for telling him this, but he's like, yeah, you
can tell when Kyle. Kyle's a big He didn't say
like when they were discussing it. It was more, you know,
Kyle really likes that he's able to extend plays and
move around and that's a big benefit to the offense.
But you know, it's kind of clear sometimes he wishes
he would not rely on that as much. And I
do think party has gotten pretty and it works some

(12:04):
of the time where he does like these Russell Wilson twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Fourteen scramble rounds.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
He's doing like three sixties, running back and forth like
it's it's cool to watch and it's impressive. He's clearly
good athlete. But you gotta be careful about overdoing that stuff.
One it's gonna lead to some turnovers thrown across your
body and to your Eventually you're gonna do a one
eighty or a pirouette and come around a corner and

(12:29):
like Chris Jones is gonna be there and he's gonna
slam you into the ground and like break or stern him.
So I think there's gotta be some balance. It feels
like it's gotten a little over aggressive, and when he
just plays within the construct of the offense, rose On
time gets rid of the ball. Obviously, his accuracy speaks
for herself, and his athleticism, which has been very impressive

(12:50):
over the course of his career. There's gotta be some
balance to it. I'm not against him taking off and
running for first downs. Clear to deny he was overall,
I thought he had pretty good game, like really good game,
you know, B Plus, I don't think i'd quite give
it an a couple of complete, a couple of balls
that are a little off, but overall, like that's throw
three touchdowns. Now, one of them was Debo doing most

(13:11):
of the work, but the two red zone touchdowns the
Kittle were really good throws. I mean, the first one
was elite stuff outside the dB where the DB's all
over them. That's just an elite play by both guys.
And you know, yeah, man, I also think back to
the Mason thing. It is the counter to like, oh,
we gotta gotta pay our running backs, we gotta draft

(13:33):
them high. Like this guy's an undrafted free agent three
years in. It's like you can just ride them like
a horse. He's leading the league in rushing. So it's
like Christian McCaffrey makes nineteen million. I mean, who knows
all these different stories coming out about his achilles? Who
knows what to believe when he'll be back. They clearly
don't even know. And you can just find an undrafted
free agent who has overcome them. You know, beside McCaffrey,

(13:57):
they've drafted over the last three or four years, I
feel like five running backs and he's just passed them
all immediately. And then obviously they got they hit on
the guy. I hit on the guy. That's a little
I would say pretty much. I can't say that yet,
but he had a huge run. He ran a four
to three at the combine, the thirty one from Louisville.
I can't really I want to say Guero, but that's

(14:20):
not his name. Screw up his last name. I don't
want to do that. But that run the night was huge,
and Kyle I think gets kind of the Monkey Office
back in the sense of, like you can't keep blowing
these games. You have to win these games. And you
watch them play and in theory, if Christian's able to
come back, if Drey Greenlaw is able to come back,

(14:40):
this team can be more healthy down the stretch, like
that's a Super Bowl contender. And I still like I
believe watching them play this year, like they're pretty damn good.
Their defense is not as dominant as it once was,
their defensive line isn't as good one area that they
are really good at is defensive back. They have drafted

(15:01):
and hit on a ton of dbs. I mean they
go about four deep at safety. Ronaldo Green, the dude
that picked the ball off in front of DK, He's
a second round pick this year. And Lenor's good obviously,
Charvarius who's hurt, is a really good corner. Like, they
got a ton of good dbs. And while Devondre Campbell

(15:21):
is somewhat of a liability in space, Fred's so freaking
good that he can make up for it.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
So overall as a team, like got a lot going
for him.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
And I think if you play them, and I know
they already did, and it was at Minnesota and it
might be again because in a playoff game, that's where
dropping those two divisional games.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
If at the end of the year you're twelve and five,
well shit, you went twelve and five. Two of your
losses you had double digit leads in the fourth quarter
and they were divisional opponents like that, twelve wins could
have been fourteen pretty easy, and all of a sudden
you look up, you know Minnesota. Now, maybe Minnesota ends
up with that fourteen and three two and it wouldn't
matter they beat you head up, and I know sometimes

(16:01):
that's not the exact tiebreaker.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I'm not dialed in in the tiebreaker rules. But overall,
I think this year has been more frustrating than fun
for forty nine er fans because of the way that
they just weird things have been happening to them, and
tonight it felt like it happened again where I can't
fathom this. I'm pro replay, I really am, and I'm

(16:25):
pro the challenges, even at certain times if they slow
down the game, I understand. I think they've been additive
the way the NFL does it to the overall product.
And I think as someone that gambles a lot of money,
I know a lot of people gamble money, whether that's
five dollars or five hundred thousand dollars, like you do
not want to get screwed over, and tonight it's a

(16:47):
good example of like it's pretty clear that touched his
finger and forty nine ers fell on it, and at
the time, it felt like.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
What if this?

Speaker 2 (16:55):
What if the diners lose and they just they should
have gotten the ball, and then they get later in
the game. Alice talking to whoever the hell the referee
is in the booth and he's like, you know, they
told me that they didn't have our feed. They just
had the feed the raw footage, and they couldn't tell
what are we doing? I mean, all these teams are

(17:17):
worth five to ten billion dollars the league is making.
I mean, what's the league worth as a whole? Hundreds
of billions of dollars and we can't get the same
replay that we're watching on our screen. Like that's the
type stuff that is unacceptable, Like that can't happen. If
you are going to do replay, which I'm all for

(17:38):
and I think most people in big situations.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Are for it as well.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Those people have to have all the access that is
humanly possible. If we have more access sitting on our couch,
sitting you know, at a bar watching the game, then
the referee does at the game, Like I I understand
people are going to blow calls and not see things live,
especially some like that it's so hard to see. I
have no issue with that. That's what a challenge flag

(18:04):
is for. That's what the replay is for. But you
gotta be able to give them all the access they need,
and you have to get it right, Like, the only
way this works is if you get it right, and
for the most part they get it right. But today
that was really really bad. So Kyle Shanahan, even with that,
finally gets everyone off his back a little bit. Yeah,

(18:28):
I mean it's a nice, nice little win by the
forty nine ers, nice little win.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
They needed it. Now you get a little mini buy.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Play the Chiefs in ten days, and I'm pretty sure
they said to night they're coming off of bye, so
that'll be a big game because last time I checked,
the Chiefs have kind of owned the Niners a couple
of Super Bowls. Regular season game was pretty ugly a
couple of years ago. I think that might have been
Christian McCaffrey's debut. Don't quote me on this one. I'm
pretty sure the final score is like fifty to ten.

(18:56):
That's what it feels like in my head. It was
an ass kicking. The Nighters might have scored a little
bit in the second half, so maybe the score is
a little closer, but I promise you do the score
was not close. The Chiefs embarrassed the Niners. The Niners
actually have played them well. Hell, they've been winning the
games in Super Bowls. But Andy Reid has some onage
over Kyle, so that would be a way you win
that game. All of a sudden, people forget a little

(19:19):
bit about the Arizona and almost at Saint Louis, Los Angeles,
ram debuncles.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
On Seattle.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
I do have a lot of respect, like I said,
for them being able to pivot off Russell Wilson and
Gino and getting just someone really credible and staying as
a high level operation. I love Mike McDonald. He is
everything that Robert Salace should have been for the Jets.
So I hire you because of your defense expertise. I
want you to call the defense. I want it to

(20:03):
be your baby, so you lock in with you know,
the squad gets to know you're I'm not looking for
a CEO here, You're thirty eight, thirty seven forty one.
Like run the deal? What does Mike McDonald do? Runs
the defense? Which is gonna be fine. The better players
they get and the guy has to come back from injury.
I mean feel like tonight they're losing a guy in
every play and to just be able to function. I
think Ryan Grubbs a really, really good offensive coordinator. They

(20:25):
got a John Schneider is one of the better gms
in the league. Like, they got a lot going for them,
but this genail thing.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
He's kept your head above water.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
He's made you a respectable team where half the league
would die for that, right, just be like, hey, we
are gonna be a lock to be in the playoff mix.
And if we can just be a little healthier at minimum,
we should nine and eight head instead of be a
wild card team. But if you can't beat the forty
nine ers and he can't, like the evidence is in,

(20:55):
it ain't even close this offseason, we.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Got to make a bold move. We gotta do something
to roll the dice.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
And I'm talking about the draft because I think Seattle,
if they are drafting somewhere like fifteen to the low twenties,
would be a prime position team to just put all
the chips in the middle of the table. I mean,
he's been thinking about doing it for years, right. He
wanted to do it with Josh Allen when they were
gonna trade Russell Wilson to the Cleveland Browns to get

(21:23):
Josh Allen. So this is a guy who's got stones,
and I think the riotings on the wall, and that
doesn't mean, this is not even a criticism of Geno.
He kind of is what he is, which is pretty
damn good. Like he's the high, high level bridge starter
the end of the day, when you're that, it does
limit your ceiling. And when they played the best team

(21:43):
in their division, the team that if they could beat
they could win the division, a team that they have
to see probably in the playoffs if they're a wildcard,
you know, if they're the six or seven seed. I mean,
that's what happened a couple years ago. They played the
forty nine ers and got beat. But you gotta beat
that team, and you're just not.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Doing it with Gino.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
So listen, I'm not act like this is the greatest
quarterback draft, but we know John Schneider likes traits. That's
why he loved Russell Wilson back in the day. That's
why he loved Josh Allen. Honestly, Gino has a lot
of good traits. I'm talking physical trades, arm strength, mobility.
It's why he liked Drew Locke, who just not that
great of a player but falls under that category. And

(22:20):
I just there a's some guys in this draft that
you you know, if John Schneider falls for roll the
dice because you got a good young coach that everyone's
high on. You've got an offensive coordinator that can scheme
up plays. I mean Ryan Grubb, he's been better than
I thought. We knew how good he was for Dubor
at Washington with Pennix and all those guys in the
Doonsay and Polk, but to never have coached in the

(22:42):
NFL and come up and immediately just like you just
watched them play. They're really good on offense. They're creative.
It's just it's been a seamless transition, like the guy,
and honestly, you might only have him for a couple
of years.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
So roll the dice.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Now, try to get a quarterback and give yourself a chance,
because you're just not beating party in kysh aia, like
you're not even getting close. And I respect that operation
a lot, and I hope they do to make it
a little more competitive because this geno thing has just
hit its ceiling when they play the top team. So
big win for the Niners. I still think Seattle gets

(23:18):
some guys healthy that they'll be right there in the
mix for a wild card spot, and depending on how
the NFC plays out, it wouldn't shock me if they
won nine games, were like the sixth seed.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
So the second best.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Team to me if just remotely healthy in the NFC West,
given how many injuries the Rams like are gonna have
for a while, right, Like, those guys aren't coming back soon.
You know they're missing who knows, you know, Pookah, a
Cooper Cup like this. This could be mi for a
while and you're just not gonna win games like that.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
And the other thing is.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
You get so far deep into a hole all of
a sudden, you're two and eight, even if you're in
every game, but if you're losing them all like, you
can't come back from that. And then they gives you
you allow no margin for air. That's another problem for Seattle. Right,
you go, well, what if the Rams do have a
season from hell in they draft a quarterback, So it's like, well,

(24:10):
Purty ain't going anywhere. Kyler is a kind of a
bizarre player, but he's clearly not going anywhere either, and
he's a mother to play right on an individual game basis.
And then with the Rams end up with like the
sixth pick, trade up to like number two and draft
one of the topic drafts like Shador Sanders, that's who
Sean McVay likes. So NFC West, that's just that's that's

(24:32):
a good Thursday night games. That was a fun Thursday
night game. Places were rocking, and H forty nine Ers
pulled out, obviously fugazi.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Friday.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I talked a little bit about this with Stucky and
I've been thinking a lot about this because the viral
video of Rogers on McAfee. Right, we all know the
timeline of well, let's let's let's just start with this
as a player like part of the fugazi of getting
a coach.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Five.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
If you're a player, Lebron has been doing it for years,
I don't expect you to come out even if the
guy like Lebron has gotten coaches fired. That's stunk Aaron Rodgers.
If he doesn't think solid is any good, I don't
even really disagree with him.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Like Robert Sala easily could have lost his job over
the offseason.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
So it's been happening for a long time in sports
with star players getting coaches fired. And I would say
we'd have to like really break it down. Over the
last thirty or forty years, a high percentage of them
are correct. But then it's one thing to be like, listen,
it's not my job. I don't want to talk about it.
These guys constantly discuss like what are you guys talking

(25:40):
about getting this guy? But no, I had me getting
this guy fired. It's like they go overkill. And with
Rogers what makes it pretty bizarre. The more and more
I thought about my bald brother losing his job is
that he was like, they lose some morning, so when

(26:01):
they come back by Monday, right, I understand they're playing
on Monday night, so really tuesdays like a Monday. But
usually if you were going to fire someone, you would
do it Monday. And I'm pretty sure I read Woody
Johnson's never even fired a guy in season. But we've
all heard by now obviously all his buddies over there
watching embarrassing Sam Darnold beating him a lot of variables.

(26:22):
So I you want to fire him, I have no
issue with firing them, But if you were going to
fire him as the owner or decide that as a
front office slash ownership, you would have done it on
Monday morning. But then for them to have a phone
call and Rogers just say that.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, you just like asked me about my foot. He
was just checking in seeing like Aaron, what'd you do today?
What are you watched on TV? It's like how you'd
call your brother or dad like, hey, what's up? You know?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Where you just call it nothing to talk about, nothing
to talk about. You usually don't do that in a
professional environment. I would say, right, if you're gonna call
someone you work with, whether it be a colleague an
employee of boss, I shoot the shit for a minute, Hey,
what's going on you?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
What are you doing? Right?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
You just have basic small talk. But then eventually you like, well, X,
Y and Z whatever you're calling for. You cannot convince me.
And I don't blame if Aaron's asked him saying yeah,
this case, he stinks this guy's not any good, right,
But then for you to come out and consistently push

(27:26):
that that didn't happen, like, no one can believe you.
It's not believable because eventually, like when everyone just takes
a step back and listens to it, we're all human beings.
It's why I think, like the political stuff like Jump
the Sharks so long ago, like you do realize how
normal people talk and like how normal.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
People live in this world. You know, it's like.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
You can push one narrative, but it's like we're living,
like we're alive every day, we do things and this
is how the world goes around. So you can't tell
me it's X when I live and it's why. So
it's like, Aaron, we have all been in situations where
someone called us a boss an owner.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
It would no one can believe in your situation. You're
viewed as the savior that that didn't come up.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
And honestly, I don't expect him to say, Listen, I
didn't think Solo was any good.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I gave wood.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
He he asked me, what if he fired him? Would
I care?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
I said no.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Now I do think if he said that, I think
we've never been in a world where authenticity rings truer
and it resonates with more people. I actually think a
lot of people would have respected it. Now I get it,
like getting a guy fired as a player who feel
a little weird, but I actually think he would be
shocked by the reaction of people, aka the fans, be like,

(28:47):
I respect it. Be like, listen, I've been around Mike McCarthy,
I've been around the floor. I think this guy's fucking terrible.
I don't think he knows what he's doing. He's not
calling the offense, not calling the defense. He gets up
in the press conference makes a mockery of what we're
doing because he can never get his words straight. He's
always saying one thing and we're doing another, and then
he has to come back. No one, there's no accountability

(29:09):
anywhere what every single player says.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I think he stinks. Like if he just honestly said that,
there would be.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
No pushback, I'd be like, God, yeah, no shit, we've
all been seeing it. But I also think this like
the NFL doesn't run like the NBA. In my comp
to this situation because he's done in a million times
is Lebron, But in the NBA, and listen, Lebron at
forty years old is way better than Aaron Rodgers at forty,
but dramatically better. So the guy that they are leaning

(29:39):
on just isn't good enough. And clearly, in the history
of the NFL, star players have been spoken to by
their owner about some ideas, So it's not abnormal where
this thing gets a little weird. It's like he doesn't
really have that much equity there, he's only played whatever
five games. He does not look that good players now, No,

(30:00):
Like God, the owner are just calling him and asking him,
could he call about me? What if I'm a player
not doing that well? Like could they call about me?
The Jets are a disaster, There's no way around it.
Now they're a must watch disaster and they're on television
all the time.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Disaster. I mean they're playing the Bills this.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Week, which the storylines, so it's all gonna draw us there,
and old brick former player, feels cool, feels a little
Dan campbellish back in the day at Miami. But I
just I really think this is gonna get worse. And
I told Stucky this today. If you truly doubt the Jets,
which I do, I've doubted it from the beginning, like

(30:37):
if you were never anyone on the fence, like thought
that I never thought they were a playoff team. Now,
the one game against the Patriots, like Damn Rogers looks
pretty good, but then clearly he's just the majority of
his games he's looked old frail and now he's banged up.
If you're just out on them and you go, well,
they're playing the Bills, who clearly have been a little
up and down this season, but you go, they got
Josh Allen, they got a winning culture, and they know

(31:00):
how to win, and they know how to win this division.
The Jets lose that game, and the just lose it
by double digits, and it just gets back to the
what that moment stood for, Like what happened this week.
It resembles shitty ownership, shitty dysfunction or shitty culture dysfunction

(31:23):
interwoven into everything these guys do. You can't shake that.
Maybe you could band aid it for a week. But
Jeff Olbrick, part of what he brought to the table
is like he was a really good you have the
coordinator like he handled that. Now he's got more responsibility.
So does that diminish it all? Todd downing the Hackett thing,
that thing could get weird. We listen, if Aaron Rodgers

(31:45):
didn't have the juice, Hackett would have been fired him
and Robert Sala would have both cleared out their offices.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
But he gets demoted because the star ain't gonna throw
his buddy to the wolves. Like what did these players think? Again?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
They live in the world, right, They go into that
building every day like they see it right there, are
living it much closer than Wheel. So they're going, well,
what even if they thought SLA was average, there's no
way they think, like, you know, Hackets getting a raw
deal here, actually better than you realize. Not saying he's

(32:19):
Bill Walsh, but he's definitely better than what everyone the
way they're talking about him. So the the lies and
the statement from Aaron, it's just it wasn't It was
just an all timer there, It really was. It's just
one of those that you'll never forget. It's it's really
one of his classic.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Moments that yeah, shitty, Just what are you watching Dancing
with the Stars? Monday night?

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Football?

Speaker 1 (32:43):
What's what's on tv? Aaron? What do you eat for dinner?
Give me a break.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I just wonder if some of these guys on the
team are gonna start thinking like is he bad mouthing
me to the owner? I just kind of hit my
mind when I was talking right there. I wonder if
if they were to lose and they look shitty on
it could get really weird really fast. I mean obviously
it already is, but I just mean, like with the
Rogers team dynamic, Like I mean, how those guys are

(33:07):
twenty five years old, aren't they young? The majority of
the guys on the team. Imagine that. Imagine what that
building was like Tuesday and Wednesday. Okay, back at it
again from Nashville, Tennessee, where all lines are presented by
DraftKings and the talk of the town stuck.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
He has been the kids.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
They grabbed the goalpost and hiked from Vanderbilt, walked it
down Broadway. I'm looking at the river right now and
tossed that bad boy in. But the reason that it
keeps coming up is because you said you love Vandy
and the points and you sold me. But then you know,
I was it was my birthday last weekend, having a
few pops with some buddies, and it was it went

(33:49):
from like, God, are they going to cover do?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Holy shit, they're gonna win this game.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
That was yeah, I I I think I sweeted out,
like in the third quarter, Evan's gonna win this game.
I just felt that way they if you go, I
think Jerry kill gave de boor his I think it's
the first professional job I could be mistaken on that

(34:16):
they had a connection back in southern Illinois. I believe
way back in the day and there was like some
quiet confidence in that Vanderbilt room that they were gonna
be able to attack this Alabama defense which has some
holes and there's some youth, and they had two weeks
to prepare and kill and beck and scheme up and

(34:37):
offense as well as anybody. And yeah, it was. It
was an amazing game. I think the best part of
that is when you have an underdog that big and.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Right, you would the game finish at what was the
point spread? Five?

Speaker 4 (34:53):
I think it closed twenty three, twenty three and a half,
I believe. So when you have an under all that
big and like advanced spot for Obama, bandy comes out
great game plan, goes up seven nothing, gets a pick, six,
up two touchdowns. You know, they wanted to slow the

(35:14):
game down. They held the ball for forty two minutes,
but then Bama starts to come back. But the fact
that they were able to run the clock out to
get a couple first downs late was super impressive because
you knew if you punt there you see it all
the time, if Bama gets the ball back, they're they're

(35:34):
gonna go score and win the game. That was the
most impressive part for me. Vanderbilt still celebrating, probably on
Broadway along with you. So we'll see how they respond
this week at Kentucky. I actually like their the under
in that game. Vanderbilt wants to play super slow, limit
possessions in Kentucky's defenses died what to five in the country.

(35:59):
I mean, they held whole Mess and Georgia to below
seventeen points each. So I played some Vanderbilt team total under.
You can't you can't run on Kentucky. Their front seven
is as good as it gets in college football. They
also take away the exposive play. Vanderbilt could be a
little flat. Both teams play super slow, so it should

(36:20):
be a really low possession, low scoring game. So we'll
see how Vanderbilt response. I normally would bet Kentucky in
this spot. I'm just not in love with laying close
to two touchdowns with Kentucky. They're they're you know, that's
super slow team, their offenses limited. Vanderbrook wants to squeeze
the life out of the game. So they they profile

(36:40):
is a good big dog like they beat Alba out right,
they beat Botsach out right, they should have beat Missouri.
So I just preferred the under there. But amazing game
the scenes with the goalposts are awesome.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
One line.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I was just scrolling through all the college football lines.
What about you know, it's hard to this transfer portal
of the teams. It's hard to feel great about any buddy.
But Bama huge this week. Like Saban in that spot
right if he wouldn't have lost that game, but if
he had, they would have won the next game like
sixty to three. It's hard to trust, you know. It's like,
are they a little flawed? They're playing Southern Alabama.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I think as I saw that was like minus twenty one,
But it's like, I don't know the college football to me.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
You know, it's one thing when you have an NFL
like spread Oregon Ohio State. You know, granted Oregon's the
dog at home, but still like that feels we could
debate what that number should be, but it's not crazy
some of these.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Big spreads in college football.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
And I tried to hammer him early on with the
Oklahomas and the Tennessees, and I kind of got Alabama.
I forget who they were playing. I did like this
parlay one week and none of them even came close.
So it's like it's hard to have faith, you know
they can get up Bama, Georgia, Oregon, Ohio State for
each other some of these other games. I mean it's shit,

(37:57):
I don't know. I mean, do you have faith in
Alabama this weekend?

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Now they play South Carolina South count Is. Their offense
is super limited actually actually with lean South count as way,
I mean, it's a good spot for Obama, you know,
to bounce back. But look, it was a disappointing loss.
Sometimes when you have a disappointing loss, you also do
come out flat the next week. Alabama goes disappointing.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, it was devastating.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah, but I mean Georgia had a like devastating loss,
you know to Alabama after they came all the way back.
They didn't come close to covering last week. Sometimes you
just come you're still like a little emotionally flat.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeh.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Even if the coach can try to get up and
they have Tennessee, they go to Tennessee next week, so
it's it's sort of a tricky spot. South Counts defense
is legit, Like their defensive line is as good as Kentucky's.
They can't really throw the ball, though, which is how
you attack this Alabama secondary that game's going to come

(38:55):
down actually at the number like twenty one and a
half our of lean South Carolina. It's gonna come down
to ConL North Carolina stay in it early. They can't.
They can't play from behind. We saw that against Old
mess last week because they just don't have a passing attack.
So once you force them to kind of go in
too come from behind mode, its lights out and then
it could be an Alabama blowout. Not a game I

(39:17):
really love though, But I do think you know what
you mentioned, I think it was pretty smart in that there.
I think that the difference between the top the elite
teams in years past to this year is growing as
far as the elite teams are not as good, and
that's because of the transfer portal. That's because of NIL

(39:41):
that you kind of thin out, you kind of disperse
some of the top end talent throughout. I think eventually
what you'll see is, and I think we've talked about
this for them, but that you'll have like an NFL
like you know, top twenty, top twenty five, that and
then that gap between those teams and then the bottom

(40:04):
twenty twenty five is huge. But I don't think that
the bream of the crop is going to be as
a leak as we've seen in years past, and I
actually think that's that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Before we get into the NFL, I'm going Saturday Oklahoma
Texas nice and I've been a sneaky guy that started
me in football in president stage has worked at Oklahoma's
and Stoops and then Lincoln and now Vinable, so I
follow their program pretty closely.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Obviously it was a lot of hype between the quarterback.
He pulled the trigger pretty quick going to the other
guy on Jackson Arnold. And we all know how like
Jackson Norman's just on some other team next year, right,
He's just a transfer portal Boise State, Kentucky. Who knows.
I mean, it could be shitted. It's impossible to even guess.
But this other guy is can't really throw either. Now

(40:54):
you've been hammering this whole time. They've had a million
injuries on the offense. Their defense is good. I mean
they I was pretty locked into that Auburn game. It's
like they're gonna they're kind of getting their ass kicked
in this game. And defense just had that pick six
and it flipped and listen, Auburn sucks. That's not an
easy place to play right on the road. And even
Venable said like this is the SEC, like this shit's hard,

(41:15):
and he's right. Saban's been saying this forever, like just
because you don't have a great record, like go into Kentucky,
play them, see O goes.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
You know, it's just harder.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
It's so I've always defended the SEC because like their
middle tier to me, is still better than like playing Wisconsin. Right,
if we're really nitpicking and you know, both six win
teams or whatever, you can plug and play any team.
But the Oklahoma situation, I have a did did they
announce yours?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Is he going to start this game?

Speaker 4 (41:43):
I believe that yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
So you's going to start, which I don't know if
it is a good thing or bad thing. I think
you would rather see arch against if you are, you know,
a defensive lead team, take your chance as a guy
that hasn't played much. But obviously Texas is stupid loaded.
I mean, I think it'd be an upset for me
if they don't win the national championship, given that they
throw the ball better than Ohio State. And we'll see,

(42:06):
it's obviously a big test for Oho State this weekend
in terms of like can that guy make the biggest
throws against good teams? Like talking to my NFL buddies, now,
granted their wide receiver, that kid is like him and
Williams on Alabama look like the throws right now.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Yeah, But my take.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Is I think I'm gonna sprinkle a little on Oklahoma
plus fourteen. It's risky because when Texas on we've seen them,
they're like a freight train. Oregon Ohio State, I got,
I got no clue. It's hard for me to have
faith in Oregon. But you're like getting them as a
dog at home in the biggest home game they've played
in a long time. It feels like if you're ever
going to get their best shot, it's gonna be then.
So I would expect them to look pretty good.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Yeah, starting with Texas Oklahoma. It's look, I expect the
oaklawm the defense to come to play here and they
they they were they kind of got work. I mean,
they ended up winning the game for them at all
of them, but they were getting worked that game, and
I think that they were just exhausted. Uh they were,
they were, they were tired. I mean, go back to

(43:03):
the Tennessee game. They they were getting no help from
the offense. They forced two turnovers. Arnold turns it over
on the very next play, both times on on bumbles
and life No. I mean, well, yeah, when I bet
Will Levis, which I did again this weekend, that's that's it.
The only time, the only time I ever see that
is when I bet Will Levis. So yeah, I mean

(43:26):
I think that they were exhausted. They were gassed the
whole season. Their offense has given them nothing on the
field the whole time. So I think the buy will
serve them. Well, uh and it is a talented defense,
so I think that they'll come to play here. The
the offense, they just they just had so many I mean,
how much can they fix the offensive line? It's they
still can't run the ball. And I think that's ultimately

(43:47):
how you have to attack this Texas team is you know,
on the ground, but you have to have some threat
of a passing attack. Michigan, so they were just able
to load the box. I mean, you can't remember this
Texas team lost and Murphy starting in the NFL right
now up from their defensive line is so I'm and
Oklahoma has no semblance of a rushing attack. Their receivers

(44:09):
are still all out. Burke's just got announced out for
this weekend. Hawkins limited as a passer. I think it
was the right move to go to him because of
your offensive line issues, because your running game isn't going strong,
because your receiver interes to get a guy back there
that's mobile, that can run. I mean, you saw you
have that long touchdown run against Auburn, and he was

(44:31):
able to hit one long pass in that game. I
just don't know if Oklahoma has the personnel to attack
this Texas defense. They've been good on the back end.
The Text offensive line is also great, and the thing
you get with yours is you have a ton of
big game experience, which is where he has the upper
hand over over Arch. So I think that the Text

(44:53):
offensive line should be able to handle the Oklahoma front.
But rivalry game Oklahoma defense, this is really good. Texas
still to me, hasn't fully been tested. I mean, they're
a juggernaut, but maybe they're not as good as we
think that. That's the thing with this right now, you know,
and even in week five or six, yes, they went

(45:16):
into Michigan and dominated miss I think Michigan is terrible,
you know, I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Think you're right. I think you're I think you're right.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
I bet against them every week. They just they went
up to Washington. They were and the version with Yeah,
I remember the Virgin with the version with Alex Orgy
and whatever they were doing before. Maybe the Jack Tuttle
will be a little better. But there's no receivers, there's
no the offensive line is bet this that this is
a team that should have lost the Minnesota at home.

(45:43):
If they don't blow that onside kick call, they lose.
They give up a ton of yards to Washington. I
don't think the defense this is is good. So yes,
I was impressed with Texas, and Texas is one of
the three best teams in the country, but maybe they're
not as good. I don't know if Oklahoma is the
team that can really tell us much more. But I
don't hate just sprinkling on weird things happen in this game.

(46:04):
For what it's worth, Texas is this is the biggest
This is the most points Texas will be laying since
two thousand and five when they won the national title.
So Texas fans hope that is a good omen.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
You agree that this game and the Iron Bowl feel
the weirdest like can be. Michigan, Ohio State, their games
are sometimes good, but it's not like a weird game,
like this game is weird, and Auburn Alabama it gets weird.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yes, but you know there are some rivalries that are
just this thing's gonna get weird.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
And then there are just something that like there's a
good game, like Duke North Carolina basketball, but it's like
obviously they have been crazy shit that's happened in that rivalry.
But my example of Ohio State and Michigan, if they're
both good, you just know you're like, this is gonna
feel like an NFL game, or like Georgia Alabama, like
they feel like big games.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
But Auburn Alabama and Texas Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Is just like drunk consistently, regardless of records, regardless of anything,
it never matters.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Yeah. I remember we look.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
At Alabama Auburn last year. I mean that's one of
the weirdest moments ever.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
I mean shit, and they made they wouldn't even have
made the playoffs. Yeah, and they beat Georgia the next week.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
In about both games just always, as you said, are drunk.
I had a note to myself, I said, never bet
the under in the Red River shootout again. I did
last year, and I wrote a note to myself because
I actually would look at maybe think about this under here.
I mean the scores the last.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Two years ago, didn't stark didn't they blow them out?
Like fifty to nothing or something.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
I think I forget who Oklahoma had a head quarterback.
There was a it was a disaster with Oklahoma going on.
But last you know, besides that game, you know, thirty four,
thirty fifty five, forty eight, fifty three, forty five, and
four overtimes thirty four to twenty seven, forty eight, forty five,
forty five, forty and these games there's just big plays galore.

(47:56):
Crazy stuff happens.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
So it was one it wasn't it wasn't it like
the second game Caleb started.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
It was like his welcome moment. Remember he had a
huge game.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Yeah, that was That was another crazy game. So yeah,
if you want to sprinkle, go for it to Oregon,
Ohio State. It's a you know, I wish I had
more conviction on it, but we don't.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I have no feel Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
If I'm kind of just tempted to go. You know,
just a does a small bet take Oregon at three
and a half if you give me the hook there.
I mean before the season, at some places, Oregon was
like a small favor. It was flipping around Ohio State.
They'd been impressive. But then I mean they've played nobody.
I mean, both of these teams played Michigan State, blew

(48:40):
them out, similar scores. Michigan State. I mean, Ohio State
blew out Iowa last week at home man so, but
they haven't really played anybody. Oregon at least played Boise State,
but you could say that they should have lost. Now
Ashton gent he's an alien. So but you know, Ohio
State has one of the best backfields in the country,

(49:02):
one of the best wide receiver dues in the country.
But we still haven't learned a lot about either team.
You go back to Ole Miss, and this is just
gonna be the way of the world. In the new
college football landscape. You have all these teams that are
hit the portal hard, such turnover on all these rosters.
Ole Miss was dominating teams, blowing them out of the water.

(49:26):
But they were just you know, different class level, so
they were just talent wise athletically so much better than
who they were playing. Get your first test against Kentucky
and you lose. Tennessee same thing, blowing out these teams.
Oklahoma had a ton of injuries. You go to Arkansas's
two touchdown favorites lose. So we'll see just how good

(49:49):
this Ohio State teams. I do believe in their defense.
We'll see if Will Howard and their skill position players
are as talent as anybody. Still some questions along the
offensive line. Looks like they picked some of that. They
settled on the right guard last week against Iowa. But again,
this will be a different test, So I'm tempted just
to take a three nap. I trust Landing more than Day.
I mean, Day has been awful in these games against

(50:12):
top five opponents. He gets. I trust Landing to make
the better decision as far as like on fourth downs
when to go for it. Day tends to like turtle
up in these in these spots, if like it's fourth
and one at the fifty early, Landing will go for
it and roll the dice. I think at the right times.
I think Oregan is the better special teams huge home

(50:33):
field advantage, like on the margins all of these factors,
I think favor Oregon. So like, if you give me
more than three, I think I would lean that way.
But I don't know. I don't have strong, strong conviction here.
We'll learn a lot about both teams. We'll see what
you got. The other thing I have to remember is,
and I think you see this a lot in the

(50:53):
Big Ten, more so than the SEC and other conferences,
is a lot of times these teams, their entire season
comes down to like two games.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Right.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
We saw this with Michigan last year. Michigan season to
get to the College foot playoff was basically two games.
They didn't show anything, Harbol didn't show anything in all
these other games. Right, you just hold close to the US.
I'm not gonna play anything on tape, rely on the defense,
run the ball, and then you kind of unleash some
things in your two games that area. Well, Hi, a
State season is you know, I mean they're gonna be

(51:28):
like twenty point favorites against Michigan. So it's gonna come
down that they go two Penn State and they have
Oregon this week. So what have they been holding back?
What is chip kel have been holding back? With Will
Howard and his legs, certain packages, and the same thing
to be said for Oregon. Have they been holding stuff back?
So that's that's an interesting story on here. But I

(51:48):
might bet Oregon small at three and a half. But
no strong feels.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Diving in the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Like I said, all lines presented by DraftKings. Let's start
with a game when the season started. I don't know
if a bunch of people would have circled, but the
Kamis are flying high right now. Jaden Daniels, I mean,
he went from being like he was five to one.
I think Caleb was like plus one fifty to be
the rookie of the year. We got a lot of

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season left to go, but it's like those odds feel
like you're stealing if you hammered Jaden to start the season.
My thing with Washington is obviously, you know, beat the
shit out of Cleveland. Who's a joke? I mean, just
they're an embarrassment. Don't blame defenders are just kind of
tapping out. I mean, what are you supposed to do
with that offense? He just runs around, just runs into sacks.

(52:48):
I can't even imagine being his teammate. But you know,
the game against Cincinnati was impressive, but their defense, you know,
Cincinnati's defense obviously is not very good. So is Washington
real If you look at their schedule, they don't really
need to win this game. I think next week they
played Carolina, then they got the Giant, like they could

(53:08):
you could look up and Washington could be like six
and three and the Eagles and the Cowboys just have
to kind of hold serve. But they might also not
be that good right when they play real teams. And
last year and you were hammering this on the Ravens
when they would get in these spots against like kind
of fringe, they.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Would fucking destroy them.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Let alone Detroit and San Francisco and teams they blew out.
But is this team you know, defensively, clearly they're not
the same. Yep, you know the run defense, I think
I read to still really really like high end historically dominantly.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I mean, as Joe Burrell says, you can you can
throw on them.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
And I watched Harbots press conference and he's like, really,
I felt we had good coverage on the overwhelming majority.
They made some great plays. There were like four or
five kind of lapses, and like obviously he's he tends
to be as it fair to say a little more
optimistic the way he talks and he's not like a
negative Nancy when he's like talking about performances, and he
should be. I mean, they won, they were down ten points,

(54:04):
but I don't know. I mean, I I think if
you're kind of a believer in Washington, this is a
pretty big number.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
It's not a big travel.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
But I also get nervous with the Ravens in this
spot and like you could look up, it's like twenty
four to three and a half.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah, I lean Washington here.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Same I it's not the best spot for Baltimore. They
could they you know, they beat the shit out of
the Bills in a huge game, and then you know
they come back from they were down double digits three
times in the second half against since he went in overtime.
You know, so now you're you're coming off of a
road overtime win. Historically, teams haven't performed great against the

(54:39):
spread in that spot. Coming back home after two huge
games right against since he which is just massive for
the division, come back emotionally and physically draining game, that
buffalo hyped game.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
So is that the is that the coolest Lamar game.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I don't necessarily mean like statistically, I just mean like
visually to watch of his career like it was at
the co Raven game in a long time. Yeah, I
mean obviously they've had big wins, but in dominating wins.
But that just game from an entertainment standpoint, felt like
they're kind of Mahomes Tyreek Hill, Andy Reid Chiefs kind
of version of some crazy game.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Yeah. That the stiff arm throw that was one of
his career highlights, for sure. I you know, there will
we'll learn a lot more about Jane Daniels. I mean
I was wrong on him. I didn't think he would
be I mean, I don't think anyone knew he would
be this good this quick. But you do have to
say that they've played some horrible defenses. And I do

(55:32):
think that the Browns just ended up quitting last week.
I mean, they weren't tackling. They also had a bunch
of injuries during the game.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Cardinals tapped out too in that game.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Yeah, Cardinals defense is off. All the Bengals defense is bad,
and they had a ton of injuries. They just along
the defensive line. They're down the third and fourth stringers.
You know, the Giants defense isn't any good, so they've
had a very and the Bucks defense hasn't been good either,
so they've had a very, very easy schedule. Now you
can't deny the numbers and the efficiency, but we'll learn

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a lot about Daniels and his ability. This is the
thing I'm looking forward to the most is seeing Daniel's
ability to throw when the run game isn't working. Because
the Ravens defense is elite against the run and they
have they're rolling out a lot of dime packages under
Zach Orr, which is one of the adjustments that I've

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liked that he's made a couple of games into the season,
and what that has done is it's enabled them to
really slow down running quarterbacks. You have a lot more
athletes on the field, more defensive backs. Really worked against
Josh Allen and they were able to essentially take away
his legs. So you say, Okay, Ravens run defense is

(56:46):
really good. They'll have a formula here, play a good
amount of zone. With a bunch of defensive backs on
the field. You have guys like Kyle Hamilton and just
really athletic guys. You can I mean, maybe Daniels is
just that fast as it doesn't matter, but theoretically.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
We're gonna find out.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
We're gonna find out, and then the way to attack
this Ravens team has attack their corners with good receivers
and mclorinets have a good game, but this is a
real defense that he's facing that can slow down their run.
And that's Washington's been able to just run every week
and that's kind of what is unlocked the rest of
their offense. So really fascinating game here. Lamar has been
dominant against the NFC twenty two to one, but I

(57:26):
will say a lot of I think part of that
at least is the NFC teams it's kind of a
shock to their system when they're playing Lamar, and you know,
you're not used to that speed at quarterbacks to your
angles are just a bit off, especially early. One of
the reasons Lamar Jackson's the most profitable first half against
the spread quarterback in NFL history. But the Washington's practicanst Daniels.

(57:51):
I mean, they just as fast, so maybe that's not
as big of an advantage. So yeah, it's not a
great spot for the Ravens, So I would Washington as well.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
I think my favorite bet on the board before everything happened.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
With Rogers kind of going tony soprano and killing Robert Sawloff,
was the Bills in this spot, you.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Know, obviously the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I mean, Josh Allen even before he got KO that
has to be one of the worst games with his
career post like his rookie season.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I mean, it was just they were just off. And
now I kind of question myself, like are the Bills
that good?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
I think the Jets stink. I mean, I think Rogers is.
We're going to look back in like ten years. I
remember the last couple of years in Rogers's career on
the Jets wing. It looked like a shell of himself.
And this the one thing that keeps popping into my
head is like whenever this happens, and you always pop
with the stats about interim coaches in these spots, you know,

(58:50):
at home as a dog, Jeff Olbrick just ultimate football
guy fires, I guess doesn't fire officially, but demotes Hacket
for downing who you know, I have been falling down
his career since he was on the Raiders. Not my
cup of tea, but it's got to be better than Hackett.
But is Rogers pissed?

Speaker 1 (59:11):
You know?

Speaker 2 (59:12):
I just think this Jets thing is like a powder
keg that if the Bills just played decent, we could
look up and that they win by twenty in this game.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Yeah, not my cup of tea this play. I mean,
you mentioned with the new coach, what historically teams have
overperformed expectations in the first game with a new coach.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Why is that you're basically always a dog in that spot, right, Yeah?

Speaker 4 (59:35):
And I mean so a lot of times it's supposed
to rock bottom for a team, right, So you're probably
at the low end of the market. You've had some
bad performances recently, which is true of the Jets. But
the other thing is that you know, and maybe it
rallies the locker room, right you fire a guy that
people weren't getting along with him. Maybe that's true with Rogers.
But I think the biggest advantage is that you change

(59:56):
some things. You're more willing to say, you know, a
new voice in the room is more willing to listen
to the players and their coaches and say, Okay, the
reason why this we're not doing well? Our coaches got
fired or whatever. Is because things aren't working, what can
we do differently? So then you have that, you know
you have the chance to make better decisions as far

(01:00:18):
as how you're running your football team. And there's the
element of surprise, right, So then what you're doing now
your opponent doesn't have on film, which provides you with
a one game boost. Bills injuries are critical here. They've
they've had a ton of injuries on defense. Shit, he
has been banged up. Cook's been banged up in the backfield.
So I got to see how healthy they are. Theoretically,

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the Jets defense, which which is good and has given
all in trouble in the past, secondary is still good,
but their defensive line is nowhere close to as good
as it's been. You know, they lost a couple guys,
they had a couple of injuries. You can run on them.
So if the Bills are fully healthy in the backfield,
I would expect just you know, your typical Joe Brady

(01:01:03):
game plan where they can get a push here against
this Jet's defensive line, which has had no resistance against
opposing ground games. But uh not, my cup of tea
here to to bet the Bills on the road as
a favorite but I do have a big match of
advantage if they're healthy on offense, running the ball at
this Jets defense.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Guy's gonna be interesting. There'd be a lot of eyeballs
on that game. You know what, this fucking Rogers? I mean, what,
how can he with a straight face say that he
talked to Woody on Monday night and it just never
came up. And then the next morning It's like, Aaron,
you just went full lebron here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
It'd be one thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
It's like if he had just said, hey, I'd never
talked to Woody or whatever, Okay, like they never consulted me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
But yeah, he just he just called me and just said,
how you doing, buddy?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Come on, man, that's a that's an all time that
that might top the list for Rogers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
That might be my favorite Rogers moment so far of
his career.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
That and he's like anyone that even thinks otherwise, you're
fucking nuts, Like Aaron, I mean, what are we talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Yeah, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I think my actually my favorite number on the board.
But it actually feels too easy. How are the Broncos
a dog at home? I get the Chargers coming off
of bye. I'm sure Jim Harbaugh off a bye throughout
the course of his career is fantastic. Uh, But like
they're kind of mirror images of each other. You would
say the Chargers definitely went healthy, have the better quarterback.

(01:02:34):
But I have been blown away by Denver's defense, Like
a couple times watching him against the Raiders, I had
to like google who are the players and their secondary
Like obviously he's retained, but their team speed is like
erline elite just watching them play and their defensive line's
been fantastic. I was not the biggest fans Joseph guy.

(01:02:54):
I mean, to give up seventy points in an NFL game,
but I think the guy's bounced back pretty well. Now,
this lot at home a lot of buzz, you know,
kind of starting this new rivalry Payton versus Hardball.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
But it's this number.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
This feels like too good to be true because I
feel like putting like thousands of dollars on the Denver
Broncos here.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Yeah, a lot is going to come down to the Chargers' health,
like are they fully healthy on the offensive line? Is
Herbert a lot healthier? Because I will say, I mean,
if you took the three with Denver at home, the
total is like thirty six. I couldn't follow you. Denver's
defense has been incredible. They're blitzing a ton like they
leave the NFL and blitz right on first down, second
and third down, fourth down. They're bringing five as much

(01:03:34):
as any team in the NFL, and they're playing just
so a lot of cover zero on the back end.
They're playing all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Their dbs can cover mirror guys and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Run yeah, and that's allowing them to be really aggressive upfront.
I mean, Riley Moss is playing really well. I think
that he was the first white corner with a pick
in twenty two years, I think probably since Seahorn maybe
was the last one to do it. He's playing really
well in the slot. I mean, he is an amazing

(01:04:04):
Swiss Army knighte but great in the slot. Your safeties
are playing really well, and that's affording Joseph the ability
to be as aggressive as he has been now when healthy.
The Chargers have a really good offensive line. They want
to come out and run the ball. Their weapons aren't
great on the outside, so it kind of neutralizes your
strength of the Broncos secondary. And then just on paper,

(01:04:27):
it's like Herbert versus bo Nicks, like you have the
big quarterback advantage. They I think the way to attack
this Denver defense is to run the ball, and they've
played some teams recently that just can't run the ball,
which has inflated their defensive stats. Like the Bucks haven't
been able to run the ball, the Jets haven't been
able to run the ball all the Raiders can't run

(01:04:48):
the ball. So if the Chargers are fully healthy, they
do have some real edges here, but they might not be.
They're dealing with a bunch of injuries and this total
super low, and you know the is still a tough
place to play, So Broncos at three couldn't follow you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Detroit Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
I thought Dallas was pretty impressive in their win against Pittsburgh,
But then you start thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
It's like, well, he threw two terrible picks. They had
a field goal blocked.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
It's like, under no circumstances should a good team at
home lose when that happens, and he had a fumble,
Like how do you get three turnofs from the quarterback
and block a field goal and loose? And then you go, well,
Pittsburgh might just not be that good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
So, like is an.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Impressive win because they made Dallas' defense, who has been
a joke, look pretty good. And then now you're playing Detroit,
who's coming off a buye, who's pretty loaded on offense,
and they're a Dome team and obviously this game's at Dallas. Guy,
they're perfectly made for these type of situations in Dallas.
I think the last like three years under McCarthy's been

(01:05:56):
really good at home. Obviously this year they have not
looked good. Is one of those like I kind of
am I overvaluing last week?

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Did take Dallas in the spot?

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Or is this is an awful matchup because you look
at Detroit's offense, they are going to be able to
take advantage of Dallas's defense, which obviously fields in that
situation going on there with Arthur Smith and Tomblin's offense could.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Not Yeah, I took I took some Dallas especially you
can get like even even bind to three and a
half or three. It is fine too. I mean, look,
de Trut's Gonta able to run the ball here. There
is no doubt about that. They Dallas has def injuries
to the two best defensive linemen they already were a
bad run defense. So Detroit's gonna have success running the ball,

(01:06:41):
and Sty'll have some success throwing the ball. But I
like laying three on the road here, even off a bye.
That's I think that's given Detroit a little bit too
much respected. It's not like the lines have been great
this year. They were really good against Seattle, but Seattle
had a ton of injuries on defense, terrible travel spot

(01:07:01):
just short week, even flying all across the country. But
before then, Detroit, I mean like they were shut out
in the second half against Arizona. You know, they lost
at home to the Bucks. I know that they just
couldn't score in the red zone. But golf is still
deep down inside. He's still a pumpkin, so he can
just have these awful throws get rattled. But the reason

(01:07:25):
I liked I like Dallas here catch you know, field
goal obviously is it's extremely important, but Dallas should be
able to move the ball on Detroit's defense. Detroit's defense
is still not fixed. They almost gave up an NFL
record at first downs, and that in that game over Seattle.
I think Seattle at thirty eight or thirty nine first
downs in that game Seattle did whatever they wanted, just
moved up and down the field. Dak and this offense.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
And those were their starting I get Brandt was out,
but those were their starting corners. Can they draft in
the first round and they traded for Davis like that?
It's like if you those guys are their DBAs.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Yep, and they want to play a bunch of men.
Dak historically is ripped up man coverage like he is
just shreds against man, especially relative to what he does
against his own So I just don't there's I don't
think that there's any world where the Detroit defense, Detroit
run defense has been good. Dallas can't really run the ball.

(01:08:19):
I did like some of the changes they made to
the run blocking scheme last week. I think the better
suited to the running backs they have, So maybe they
have a bit more success, but they're not gonna have
run it. They're gonna have a ton of success running
at Detroit, which is, you know, a pass final defense.
But Dak can match the Lions here score for score.
Lions don't have the best kicker in the world. The
other factor is when you have Dallas at home, when

(01:08:42):
you're starting what at a thirty yard line most times,
what are you gonna get fifteen yards and you get
a field goal with Aubrey at home? I mean, like
that's insane. So yeah, yeah, I took the points here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Before we dive in a London game the Texans. You know,
obviously Nico got hurt and they placed him on ir
today that I see that headline, Yeah, so that's that's
not ideal. I mean he looked like he had he
had become a I mean a stud. I mean that's
so that's a pretty big blow. I know they had
lost Jimmy Ward in that game last week, so that
they're banged up. But New England not only stinks, they're

(01:09:30):
starting the rookie quarterback, which I'm sure you got some
statistics on that can give you a little life. I mean,
Jacobe was got to the point where he's kind of unplayable.
I mean, he brings nothing to the table, can't move,
can't throw a deep just I mean you're just gonna
lose if you insert him, and your team's that bad.
So I get going to him, but like to me,

(01:09:50):
this has disaster written all over it. And Demiko's really
really aggressive defensive coordinator. I would imagine he's gonna bring
the fucking heat at this guy, and to me could
unravel fast, you know, just being thrown out there. The
whole point of red shirting was like, hey, just pay
good Jacobe ten million. We know it's gonna suck and
be awful, but you got to hold firm. And they

(01:10:12):
just they kind of cave because I would imagine the owner,
it's not random, they're doing this at home, right, just
they'd probably getting shipped on constantly and wants a little
positive momentum, which it probably worked today tomorrow, But what
happens when the game happens and he's just run around
for his life?

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
Yeah, I could. I could just be a complete disaster. However,
me as a masochist, I did take some Patriots plus seven.
I also took some Saints plus three and a halfs
So I have Spencer Rattler and Drake May behind offensive
lines that have been ravaged by injuries. But I will say,

(01:10:51):
and there's there's a lot of uncertainty with both, right, but.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
They can move at least that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
It's a key like they have mobility, car can't really move.
You saw their offense fall off the Cliffland's all their
offensive linemen went down with injuries. Like, Rattler can actually
move and you can. The Saints are run first offense
under Kubiak. You can run on the Bucks maybe one
of the worst run defenses in the NFL this year,
so they're going to lean to that. But Rattler's legs, like,
you need someone with mobility right now behind that offensive line.

(01:11:18):
The same is true with New England. I mean they've
lost four or five guys in the offensive line to injury.
Bersett can't move, so you need a guy like May
who can scramble. He can, he has some evasiveness in
the pocket. I loved his numbers under pressure while in college,
So yeah, I think that he gives the offense a
little bit more upside. Seven is a big number to

(01:11:40):
lay on the road. I mean, no one is covering
that number this year in the NFL. I think favorite
underdogs of six or more this year are like nineteen
and five against the spread. Houston, that's crazy. Houston hasn't
been great either. I mean they beat the Bills jo.
I don't know what McDermott was doing late in that game.
They almost blow that lead against the hurt Bills team.
But before then they haven't covered the game. Uh, the

(01:12:01):
operation just isn't running at you know, it's not it's
just not there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
They look better in the first half against the Bills,
and then Collins went out and they kind of unraveled
after that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Yeah, and Collin's huge, which is gone huge loss. So yeah,
I took the seven there. I also took and I
took the Saints with Rattler. You can lean into the
run game here. The Bucks have been there. They've been
pretty fortunate if you look at there, if you look
at the Saints. The Saint by the way, they've lost
three in a row. Now home dogs historically, they you're

(01:12:36):
talking to home dogs over a field goal after three
straight losses, are like, it's like sixty three sixty four.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
They explain to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Okay, I didn't see Dennis Allen's quotes, but Hain was
the backup in a game, right, so what and then
he just makes the move after the fact to bick Rattler,
who obviously was the emergency three, to make him the
starting quarterback, Like did something change?

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
I was just to think I assume that it's offensive
line injuries and Rattler gives you more mobility, and you
know the Bucks are gonna blitz on with balls, so
I would guess that's it. But yeah, I'm not really sure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
I think a conspiracy theory.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I could see the management slash owner, you know, push
like this feels a little knee jerk. Given again, if
Ratler had been the backup for Derek, it would make sense.
But he wasn't even the backup for the last couple
of games. When we all know at any moment the
quarterback can go down, that guy has to play, so
you were willing to not. I just wonder if something
happened internally, then maybe the coaching staff like this wasn't

(01:13:36):
their decision could be good. Again, I'm not They obviously
liked the guy a lot. I mean, there were a
lot of praise coming out in the preseason. Like it's
not like they're not high on them. But it's just
a little weird when you see a guy that's not
the backup, then the guy gets injured in two days later,
he's now the back not even the backup, he's a starter.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Yeah, it could be. I mean, it also could be
just that they, you know, Hayter knew more the offense,
which is why he was the backup.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
But yeah, coaches like that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
Yeah, maybe you know, if you're gonna start a game,
you know, if he uh to prepare, Yeah, and he
gives you I mean right, maybe gives you higher upside.
I personally think that you're just upset that your president
guys and getting the start. Is that true?

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Yeah? I wanted to see. I mean, Hanter did have
a nice throw in the incompletion on the fourth down.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
I want lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
It was even Akerman was like damn, but I I
just my I was high on the Saints obviously, and
they've just done.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
I mean they're fucked.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
I mean they got six seven wins written all over
them at this point. I mean they're they're their offensive line,
like you said, the injuries, they were getting murdered in
that game at the guard center spot. I mean, and
Derek you get like you you tall golf a pumpkin.
I mean he he can unravel that way too, and
he just falls off the cliff when you start touching him.

(01:14:56):
And now he's not even that old. He gets injured
a lot. He just has like weird injuries, not like
torn acls. But it's like I can cuss. He hurt
his shoulder, he hurt his oblique.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
It's like he gets.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
He's not exactly Uh you know cal Ripken back there
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Yeah, it's I mean he said he came out in
the press and he said he hurt his his I
mean not trust me, Derek. I feel you. I'm getting
old too. He hurt his oblique when he was throwing,
like just the torque. So yeah, he's no spring chicken.
But I mean the Saints could have should have. They
should have beat Atlanta the Bucks, like if they've been
getting lucky. I mean, they played the Eagles without their

(01:15:31):
whole team. They were out game by three hundred yards
at Detroit. This is a desperation spot for the Saints.
He catching over a field goal. They can run the
ball here. Their defense is still really good, and they
can They have the corners to match up with Tampa's receivers.
That's the key. So yeah, I played Tampa. Here's the
quarterbacks I played. I've played Rattler, I played Drake may
who I just mentioned. I played Will Levis. I think

(01:15:54):
Richardson's gonna play. Richardson's been just as bad as Levice.
The difference is Tennessee is a good d Indy doesn't.
Indy's down there, you know, Jonathan Taylor, Pittman's out. The
downs could be out there. Their whole defense is hurt.
This is like a good defense for Levis to play.
And if Levis, if he's not healthy or if things
go wrong, you go to Rudolph. I like Tennessee, off
the buy here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
And help me to Sean Watson, No, I.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Can't bet the Browns. I did last week. That was
a mistake. I think they might have quit, like everything
around that. NFL teams don't usually quit. I will say
that in college sometimes, like there's like Ua b under
Dilfer right now. I think they might have quit. NFL
teams rarely do you can get like value later in
the year when teams like this team quick. But I mean,

(01:16:41):
how do you not make a quarterback change? You can
go to like Winston Well, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Where you bring up New England. If that's hovered six
and a half seven points, Like they're gonna have fight.
Arizona is a good example.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
They got their ass kicked a couple of times, but
like they're gonna fight all season long, and they're they're
fucking quarterbacks talented, so like at any given moment, he
can make a bunch of plays as he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
It's the Niners who got a lot of issues. But
I do think the Browns, like the Eagles, are a
weird team. You mentioned the white corner. I think I
saw today headline that you know, they're being kind of mum,
but Cooper de Jean's gonna start being their slot corner.
So it's the rise of the white guy in the
defensive backfield at corner, not just safety, but that's a

(01:17:20):
spot that, like you know, two years ago version of
the Eagles would destroy this Browns team. I actually think
it could get weird if somehow this is a game,
you know, if Philly, just if Sirianni just wins by
like four points, people are gonna be pissed.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Yeah, it's a tough spot for Sirianni and Jalen. Like
the pressure. It's almost like a college game they're going in.
It's like you better kick their ass, yeah right, coming
off a bye.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Yeah they have a five. But Brown's on a third
straight road game, like look like a corpse. I'm not
laying it with Philly, Like I'm not laying nine and
a half. I don't ultimately don't trust them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
I mean, that's one of the biggest spreads so far
of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
Yeah, I think the biggest was one of the few
that covered was above a touchdown was San Francisco against
New England. But you take like a big like here's
the thing in the NFL, like these big spreads, historically,
the dogs have fared well. You I mean, you watched
that San Francisco New England game. San Francisco was dominating
them throughout and like still a spread at ten, New

(01:18:24):
England had a chance to like cover in the end.
Like it's it's it's not college, so I'm generally not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
You're not You're not guaranteed touchdowns in the red zone.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yeah, Like the Niners remove the ball pretty much at
will against Arizona, and I think they were like one
for six in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
And then obviously in that game their kicker was hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
But even I would say a big difference in college,
like if Ohio State are one of these teams is
kicking someone else's ass, they're just gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Score a lot more touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Yeah, the we're in the NFL, it's like it's pretty
easy to fuck up in the red zone like three
times and a half. It's like, damn, you only score,
you only got how's the score sixteen to seven right now?

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
It feels like they're up forty. Yeah, that happens a lot.
I feel like on Sundays.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Yep, exactly, exactly right. So yeah, no interest in laying it.
But I can't play the Browns. Your Eagles should have
everyone back on offense as well. Browns had a ton
of injuries. Their offensive line is a mess. I'm just
not sure where that locker room is right now. So
didn't play the Browns. The other ugly game I did
play was Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Tell me on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Well, I mean, I just don't think I mean, that's
up two and a half. I don't think that there's
any difference between these teams. Like you could say calebsn't
playing better, and he has been, but yeah, he' said
one really good game this year, and that was against
the Panthers with the worst defense in the league. I
have more injuries last week, and by the way, the
Panthers in that game, they lose two starting offensive linemen.
That's why I can't play the Panthers this week. That

(01:19:50):
was the strength their team. Two of their starting offensive
lineman go down. They have more injuries at wide receiver.
Team is cursed this year. That was this one game
he's playing against I just like a soft his own defense.
He's been bad against man. He's gonna see a ton
of man against Jacksonville. But if you look at what
the Chicago's sitting at three and two, they have a
good home win over Carolina. They have the luckiest win

(01:20:11):
of the year at home against the Titans. They come
back from down seventeen to nothing without scoring an offensive touchdown.
They just get the game handed to them by Levis
and a pump block touchdown. They beat the Rams at home.
They actually got outplayed in that game, and the Rams
are down their entire offensive line, Cup and Nakula. They

(01:20:32):
they even lost to the Colts, who had Richardson playing,
who's been horrendous this year. The Jags just beat the
Colts with Flacco the much better version. I mean, if
you look at EPA plus completion percentage over expectation, it's
Richardson out of thirty six quarterbacks at least seventy five dropbacks.
Richardson's thirty fifth Bryce Young is only a bit behind
him at thirty six Flacco's second, Like, that's so much

(01:20:55):
better Flack has been. The Richardson Jags beat the version
of the Bolt with black O. The Bears lose that.
They only put up sixteen points against that horrendous, horrendous
Colts defense. So you start to just like peel back
some of these results for Chicago and hasn't really been impresive.
Both the teams played at Houston, they both lost by

(01:21:17):
one possession. Jacksonville looked much better. They looked like the
much better team. And if you look at Jacksonville, so
you look on the Service one in fourteen vers three
and two, Jacksonville has had a much tougher schedule. They've
fared better, better against Houston. Yeah, they played Buffalo, they
got blown out in that game, but they you know,

(01:21:37):
they also when you take a look at their strength
of their schedule, it's even better because they played Miami
week one when Miami was healthy. Now Miami's just the
show of itself, and they fubbled going into the end
zone to go up seventeen and to clinch that win.
So I think Jacksonville's been better than advertising. I think
this game should be a pick, and like, I trust

(01:21:59):
Longlawrence more than Caleb right now. I think the Bears defense,
which is gonna be a full strength. They're starting Nickel
banged up, might not play Takwan Brisker, he's out there
starting safety, and they've been giving up some explosive plays.
That's where Jacksonville's been living with their downfield passing attack.
I just think this is like a true coin flip.
So if you're gonna give me a couple of points,
I'm gonna take them in the NFL. And the other

(01:22:22):
thing is Jacksonville has way more experience playing these international
overseas games. They do it a couple times a year.
Trevor Lawrence, I think has covered three or four one
three or four of the past two years. I like
how the Bears went over there early in the week
for their body clock. But this staff is not familiar

(01:22:43):
with just everything that comes with these international games. This
is just second nature for Jacksonville. So I think that
that at least is a consideration and gives them potentially
a slight edge. So yeah, I just think this Bears
team is super overrated. I mean, they could easily be
should have lost the Tennessee. They played that game a
million times. They lose nine hundred nine ninety nine of

(01:23:06):
those times. They you know, they were out played by
the Rams, the practice squad at home, and you know
they they lose those two games. They're they're one and four,
just like the Jags. And the Jags had a couple
of points of games that went against them, they could
easily be three and two. And then I think this
line is, you know, around a pick, which is where
I think it should be. So I like Jacksonville over

(01:23:28):
in London to kick off Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
You told me I'm taking Doug Peterson and Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
So let's do it, Okay, Sonuckey, Let's ruck and roll,
take some shitty quarterbacks and enjoy a Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
What could go wrong? Have a good weekend, brother, I'll
see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
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