3 and Out - Cam Ward #1 Overall? Puka Nacua To Retire At 30, Mailbag - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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What is going on everybody? How are we doing John
middlecop Three and Out Podcast. Hopefully everyone is having a
great day out there on the mean streets of real life.
And we're here to podcast because that's what we do
here in the three and Out Podcast. And today I
do want to dive into, uh, not just cam Ward
who had his pro day, but just in general, what

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we've seen this last draft, which was very transferred portal heavy,
and what we expect in this upcoming draft, which all
the quarterbacks and the transfer portal have become synonymous with
each other and to incredible success. Pooka and Akua had
some comments today about retiring early. I do want to

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dive into that incredible moment on the internet. I saw
what happened on television, what happened in real life, but
I saw it on the internet. It was on television,
the wrestling upset that happened at the National Championship. Daniel
Cormier was there calling it legendary. Guy got beat. And
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viewed a certain way and then over time that dramatically changes.

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And I think when you look at the landscape of
college sports forever, if you were changing schools, it was
usually a red flag. Hell I remember growing up, it's
like my dad's like put down the video games, pick
up a book, and now people watch other people play
video games, streaming and YouTube, and those people crush it.

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It's like things change, we adapt. Things that are viewed
negatively become more popular and sometimes they have enormous financial
windfalls behind them. And I think when you look at
the transfer portal, it wasn't long ago when this thing
didn't exist that if you move schools, it was viewed

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as like I couldn't cut it, he couldn't get it done.
And for the most part, it tended to be a
red flag. And part of it was if you were
forced to transfer, whether it was because you couldn't play
at that school or because you were seeking a better opportunity,
it was not advantageous to your career, like you had
to sit out a season, and if you had red shirted,

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like if you've gone to Texas, if you've gone to USC,
if you've gone wherever, Fresno State, Boise State, you name it,
and you red shirted and then tried to start the
following year and didn't cut it and then wanted to
transfer your red shirt sophomore season, you had to burn
your third year and it just didn't count for anything,
but you were not allowed to play well. Obviously, the

(04:35):
transfer portal has changed everything and cam Ward who all signs,
and I mean every sign point to him being the
number one overall pick, and within the next month plus
he will be the starting quarterback for the Tennessee Titans
and him and I think last year we saw the

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first true windfall of the quote unquote transfer portal quarter
and this year is going to follow that group extremely
I mean basically the same thing. And I don't think
anymore this is that weird. It actually, if you have
the opportunity to jump, unless you are in an ideal situation,

(05:18):
kind of feels like a no brainer. Let's look at
cam Ward, who is actually on his third school of
his career, right incarnate word. I've texted a couple people.
I haven't quite got the breakdown how he ended up
at such a small school but then made the jump
to Washington State and it changed his life. And by
the end of last year he was the number one
guy in the transfer portal and got paid millions of

(05:41):
dollars to go to the University of Miami. It's funny.
Someone in my DMS the other day was like, middle cough,
you throw around some of these numbers with college athletes, Like, bro,
you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. That's
it's not correct, No way these guys are making that
much money. Yes, guys, they are making that much money.
I actually talked to someone today who is in the

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college football world, and I mean very tight end tight end,
and he told me about He didn't tell me the school,
but he was at a program with the head coach
and the coach was telling him that in the quarterback
room they had multiple seven figure quarterbacks and this was

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not Texas. And that doesn't just include the salary. That
includes houses that come with it, cars that come with it.
The money for regular players. Starting players obviously varies right
could go from one hundred grand to seven hundred and
eight hundred grand, but when it comes to quarterbacks, the
going rate is seven figures. And so when Cam Wored

(06:44):
transferred last year, we don't have the exact details, this
is in the NFL, but he got paid well over
a million dollars to go to the University of Miami
and it changed his life because when he went to Miami,
he would not have been a first round pick last year,
and now he is going to be the number one
overall pick. So he got to go to a major program,

(07:05):
make a ton of money, and up his draft stock.
But I started thinking think about last season Kayleb Williams
number one overall pick transferre from Oklahoma to USC with
Lincoln Riley. Jayden Daniels transfer from Arizona State to LSU
won the Heisman. Both those two guys won the Heisman.
Drake May, it was a pretty big story going into

(07:28):
his last year at North Carolina when Mac Brown came
out and said that people had been dirty, quote unquote
dirty recruiting Drake May and offering him millions of dollars
to transfer. Well, it was pretty clear. It's like Bryce
Young just went pros probably Alabama, you know, or you know,
schools in the SEC were offering him huge money. Now

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he decided to stay, but it wasn't for a lack
of opportunity to leave. Michael Pennix went eighth overall, left
Indiana to go to Washington. A couple of years later,
he's in the Heisman mix. They're in the national championship.
JJ McCarthy somewhat unique because his team was so stacked,
didn't need to leave, got paid at Jim Harbaugh. Bo

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Nicks went from Auburn to Oregon. All these guys that
transferred not only made millions of dollars, their draft stock
went like this. And then you look at this season.
Cam Ward went from Washington State, where he was a
very intriguing prospect. I do believe if he would have
came out last year, would have gone somewhere between pick
forty and seventy. He would have been a second day pick,

(08:32):
but he would not have been the number one overall pick.
And then you look at Shadoor Sanders a little different
because obviously he's playing for his dad, but played at
multiple different schools, and if Dion hadn't existed in Shadour
was just Shadoor Sanders, not related to Deon Sanders. Probably
a pretty high probability that he transferred during his career,
even if he didn't start at Jackson State, Let's just

(08:53):
say he started it like North Carolina State. Look at
the guy probably going third jack and dark thirty. You
know of this class usc Ole miss Think about the
two guys in the National championship, Riley Leonard and Will
Howard transfer quarterbacks, Kyle McCord transfer quarterbacks. All these guys
move and improve their draft stock. So where it used

(09:17):
to be looked at very negatively, just because that was
just the uh conventional wisdom. If you moved, something was wrong,
and a lot of time that was true. It's like, well,
you just he couldn't start at Pete Carroll's, USC couldn't
cut it at mac Brown's Texas saving too much form
right now, there are individual examples of guys moving on

(09:39):
and becoming really good players. It definitely happened, but for
the most part it was on the other side of
the ledger. Something was off, and in my experience, you
like stayed away from those guys. Now, not only do
you embrace it, you completely understand why they left. It's like, yeah,
they are offering you a better opportunity and money and
for all these other positions. It's clearly that there is

(10:02):
no guarantee when you leave for the quarterbacks. Now, if
you can upgrade schools, like it's a double whammy because
you cash in in the short term and the long term.
We have a couple of years of data now and
we'll see how this draft class kind of plays out.
And I'm not even just talking about the top guys.
I'm talking about seven to eight of them, but it's

(10:23):
pretty clear it is the move. So you know, Drake
May is a good example. He ended up getting going
three overall. Ultimately, like he's in a good spot now
with Rabel stable organization, you think, but there is a
chance if he had pulled the trigger and transferred to
let's say Alabama last year, and then the starting quarterback

(10:44):
in Nick Saban's last year, who say he couldn't have
gone one overall? Jayden Daniels is a great example. When
he transferred from Arizona State, I thought the guy was
like a fringe draft pick. Even his first year at
LSU there was a huge work in progress, and by
the end you're talking about a no brainer, top five pick,
and now it looks like he's going to be a
superstar in the NFL. So that the transfer portal when

(11:06):
it comes to quarterbacks, it's it's not only health these
guys draft stock, but I actually think it's really really
improved college football. It's made it much more interesting having
these guys move to just top programs. So I just
if you are a kid in college football right now
and people come colin at that position, and you have

(11:27):
an opportunity to not only make way more money, but
go to a program in a brighter life situation, the
data is pretty clearly on your side, you probably want
to say yes. Pooka Nakua was quoted in a USA
Today article I love Pookaakua. I mean ever since that
guy came into the NFL, I'd be lying if I
knew much about him in college. You know, BYU Washington

(11:48):
guy transfer portal has become a star in the NFL. Like,
there is not a soul that in that includes Sean
McVay unless need that thought he'd be this good like
he is. He's really good. I mean, he's one of
the few guys like the way he's talked about, like yeah,
he's he's that good. I mean, this guy's a total package.

(12:08):
And he basically had a quote today of saying like
he wants to retire at age thirty, which would essentially
give him ten years in the NFL. He's twenty three
years old going into year three and basically looking at
Aaron Donald as someone to aspire to be, like, have
a great career, make some money, win at a high level,

(12:28):
produce at a high level, be really successful, and then
get out before your body falls apart. And it got
me thinking, is he alone? Are there going to be
a lot of guys who think like this and make
this decision, you know, in the future, by the time
some of these guys get to to their late twenties
early thirties. These wide receivers, these pass rushers, these offensive tackles,

(12:52):
they are gonna have NBA money. Look at Justin Jefferson
by the time, by the time he's thirty years old,
he'll have probably accumulated a hundred fifty million dollars. Where
you know, twenty thirty years ago, even if you were
rich relative to society, it wasn't just like, no matter what,
it'd be really hard to screw this thing up. That's
not going to be the case for the Puka Nakua generation.

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I mean, whatever contract Puka, assuming that he stays healthy
next year and has another big season, he is going
to get a ton of money. And it got me
thinking like, could this start happening, Could like the Andrew Luck,
Aaron Donald, Calvin Johnson thing become something that is more

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consistent in the NFL recently, For those of you that
don't follow golf, there is this thing called the Champions Tour.
It's where people over fifty that were really good get
a chance to keep playing. Now the money is not
the same, but you basically have to compete against your
peers and still make hundreds of thousands of dollars and

(13:55):
get your juices flowing. And while Tiger Tiger's not technically
eligible yet, he will be in a year or two.
But anyone that saw on the internet that he's head
over heels in love, that maybe just love out does golf.
And I don't even know if his body works. But
there are a ton of guys on the Champions Tour
that made millions of dollars and that are consistent frequent

(14:19):
players on the Champions Tour. And Rory McElroy recently made
a comment he said, I'm thirty five years old now
there is no chance, under no circumstances will I play
on that tour. When I'm fifty, I'll be Donzo And
a lot of guys like Ernie Els, who was a
peer of Tiger Woods, who is really rich. I mean,

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I would imagine he's worth well over one hundred million dollars,
has done very very well for himself over the course
of his professional life. Took offense to it and said,
it's easy to say when you're young these comments. Wait
till you're our age and you want to get those
juices flowing, no matter how success full you are and
how much money you make off the course or off

(15:04):
the field, and what business ventures you get. There is
nothing to get your juices flowing like playing. And while
I think it's easy for Puka Nakua to say, like
I want to do this, there isn't anything in life
that will give you that rush of running out the
tunnel and playing on a Sunday. Plus, there aren't many

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jobs that even as you come back to Earth. Look
at his running mate and peer, Cooper Cup whose career
kind of got derailed because of injuries. Isn't the same
player he could have been, Like, you know what, I'm out.
I've made a ton of money, I've had an incredible career,
see you later. But he just got three years now.

(15:47):
I don't I don't have his contract up, but let's
just say he'll make another ten, fifteen to twenty million
dollars playing for the Seattle Seahawks. You're not getting that
money in the real world. So I think these comments
for every Aaron Donald and Calvin Johnson. I know their
circumstances were much different. It's always easy to say things

(16:07):
when you're young. We've all done it, and then you
get older. I'm sure I said things when I was
twenty five or thirty years old that I look back
and I can't relate to or think like, God, I
was I was ignorant, I was naive. I didn't quite
understand because you can't because you're young. And then as

(16:29):
you get older and you look at things from a
much different view, you go, yeah, I probably didn't mean that,
and I don't think this is going to become a thing.
And if I was a betting man right now, assuming
he stays healthy, and the thing with football, you never know,
I'll be stunned if he actually does it, if you
can still play at a high level, because by then

(16:51):
just being a rotational wide receiver at thirty years old
might pay ten million dollars just to be like a
good veteran presence, to be a high level guy, to
have a And when you're competitive and you like to compete,
there is no high like when those lights are on.
There really isn't. Sometimes people ask me like, did you

(17:11):
ever think about going back? I'm like, no, not really,
do you miss anything? Of course, I mean I was
meant to do what I'm doing. I truly believe that.
But there is something cool about game day, and you know,
a lot of the quarterbacks that retire. Say, listen, I
don't miss a lot of it because it is a grind,

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but there is nothing quite like playing the game. Okay,
let's dive into a couple of quick things here on
college sports. I saw something on the internet today that
it was pretty cool. It was college wrestling and Daniel Cormier,
who longtime UFC guy, was on the call for ESPN
does stuff here at the volume and his excitement level

(17:55):
just blew me away. I didn't even know that the
college wrestling Championships were going on or the magnitude of
actually what happened. And it turns out that this dude
from Oklahoma State Wyatt Hendrickson upset this guy named Gable
Stevenson now Gable Stevenson. This is the heavyweight matches had

(18:16):
hadn't lost in like seventy three college matches, had already
won gold medals, had fought in the WWE like this
guy was one of the most legendary figures, I guess,
in the history of college wrestling and was almost viewed
as unbeatable, and this guy took him down and it
was pretty incredible. It was. If you haven't seen it,
type it into the internet and watch it well, and

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I've told this before when I went to cal Pauly
in my year and in my class was Chad Mendes,
and my college roommate, Aaron Warshowski, actually roomed with him
or with the wrestlers because he was like an early
enrollee before our freshman year. So I don't pretend to
be friends with Chad or anything, but I was around
him a little bit at times in college, and I

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had never been around wrestlers, and by our senior year,
and obviously if you follow UFC, Chad went on to UFC.
He fought McGregor, he fought although like he was a
pretty accomplished UFC fighter, and as a wrestler, I think
his senior year he lost in the national championship at
whatever his weight class was like one. And I remember

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for the first time in my life being around wrestlers
and learning that like the baddest dudes on any campus,
I don't care whether you're at Penn State, whether you're
at cal Pauly, whether you're at Oklahoma State or not
the football players. It's the three or four crazy wrestlers.
And Chad used to get in fights in college, and
whether you were six', five three hundred pounds or just

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a normal. Human he would annihilate you and clearly went
on to THE ufc and just was not only one
of the tougher GUYS i Think i've ever been, around
but obviously one of the most skilled. Fighters, well WHEN
i was, LIKE i need to get a jo in,
sports so my third or fourth year in, college went
to school for five. Years my parents' neighbor In davis

(20:07):
worked AT Uc davis in the athletic, department and she
helped like call the ad at Cal pauly and got
me an interview and again Cal Pauly. ATHLETICS i, mean
this isn't exactly Like, texas so you just walk right.
In there's not much going. On SO i probably could
have just knocked on her door. Myself When i'm, YOUNG
i don't really know, anything and they hired me to

(20:28):
do some like bs AND i would just like help
out and do some different. Stuff EVENTUALLY i got like
the coolest job on. Campus my job at our baseball.
Stadium we had an area that had. Beer we had
like multiple kegs and hot, dogs and if you had
a ticket to get, in everything was. Free you could
drink as much as you, want and you could eat

(20:50):
as many hot dogs as you. Want and they also have,
peanuts so they had free, beer, peanuts hot. Dogs and
my job was to take your ticket to get in
because you need to special. Ticket so all my friends
for a COUPLE i had that. Job like junior and
senior year of. College everyone would come, in my. Friends
he had to be a little. Careful every once in a,
while like the assistant ad would be close AND i

(21:10):
kind of give my buddies the, wink tell him not
to come. In but for the most, part my people
got in and they would just get. Annihilated you, know
three game series Like friday And saturday. Night great time
to go just booze before you went out for. Free
BUT i also like would help out like basketball and wrestling.
Stuff AND i remember going to a wrestling match AND
i remember watching this Guy Oklahoma state came out to

(21:31):
Calp pauly and this is Where wyatt ended up beating
this guy who's A Oklahoma state. Wrestler turns out and
went on a deep. Dive Daniel cormier also was An
Oklahoma state. GUY i think he lost ten times in
his entire college, career and six of them were to
like the Guy Kale, SUNERSON i might be screwing up
his last, name who's like one of the most legendary

(21:51):
college wrestlers who's now was the wrestling COACH i think
In iowa Or Iowa state. Forever he's now At Penn.
State like just LEGEND i, mean all these, guys you
wouldn't fuck with any of. Them AND i remember being
When Oklahoma state got there and this one guy and
they were just every single guy destroyed everyone at Cal.
Pauly but one GUY i remember. Watching his name Was
Johnny hendrix and a lot of. Hype it was like

(22:12):
watching the it was Like Cooper flag of, wrestling AND
i remember watching him and like again Cal pauly was
a decent wrestling. Program he treated this guy like an
older brother treats a younger brother that's like seven years
younger in. Him he was just slamming them all over the.
Place i'm, like these guys are in a different universe
of the ability to. Fight And Johnny, hendrix Like Chad

(22:34):
mendez went on too THE. UFC i, mean these guys
were the cream of the. Crops so WHEN i see this,
heavyweight these two guys going at. IT i can't imagine
how tough these guys actually, are because all these guys
are on a direct path To Dana white to fight
in the. Octagon, now it doesn't mean they're gonna be
great fighters in the, octagon but their skills and anyone

(22:55):
who have gone to any schools with a legit wrestling
program knows you do not fuck with those. Guys. Ever
no matter if it's one hundred and thirty, pounder it's
easy to stay away from the cauliflower ear guy that
weighs two hundred and ten. Pounds it's another. Thing you're, like,
wait another dude is like five to. Five he was

(23:16):
one of the national champions this weekend is dating a
GIRL i forget what school he goes to on the volleyball,
team who's six foot. Three so he runs over to,
her gives her a huge hug and a. Kiss she's towering.
OVER i, mean it's like she's got to buy almost
a foot never see anything like. It but it's, LIKE
i don't blame, her, because, like who's gonna talk shit

(23:37):
to that guy and make fun of him for being
short dating this tall? GIRL i dare you to do?
It because he beat the living crap out of. You so,
yeah JUST i didn't know that much about wrestling UNTIL
i went to, college And i'm not even that big
of A ufc, guy BUT i respect the shit out
of these guys because that they are some, bad bad.
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Player his, talent his ability to throw the, ball his,
accuracy his. Playmaking there is no disputing if you've watched
him play going back To Washington, state his physical attributes
are pretty. HIGH i, mean he's got a big time.
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on the tape at incarnate. Word but being a quarterback
is about much more than just on the. Field you
become the face of the. Organization and we saw last
year my, Guy Adam peters took a lot of heat
because he brought all the quarterbacks not Named Caleb williams
To Top, golf and he brought him all in at

(27:02):
the same time when he brought him on the quote
Unquote top thirty. Visit even though his job because clearly
several of them could really, play, honestly all of them,
could and was to determine what guy did he like the,
most because all of them can throw an out, route
some are faster than. Others but who do you believe

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can be the best leader of your? Organization who can
handle the, pressure who can handle the ups and the
downs of being AN nfl. Quarterback, well anyone listening to
this who has ever been a part of an interview,
situation whether you are the decision maker or you're involved
in the, process or when you're on the other side
and you're interviewing in front of a lot of, people

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you know that it's a pretty intense, environment and people
try to lighten the. Mood but like when you're talking
about a decision as big as the number one overall,
pick And i'm not just talking the thirty five to
forty million dollars that you're gonna of. Them, ideally when
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next fifteen, years to be the face of the. Franchise
and you look at The. Titans their general manager comes
From Kansas, city who just spent a lot of time
Around Patrick mahomes and who before, that they had a
lot of success With Alex, smith so he has a
pretty good feel For obviously the, PLAYER i, mean both
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player but the people In Brian callahan before he got
The titans, job spent years Around Joe Burrow. Well the
night before the pro, day The titans brass, COACHES Oc quarterback,
COACH gm, ASSISTANT gm assistant scouts all went to dinner

(28:47):
with Cam. Ward and while we won't talk that much
about it because the sweet throws that he had in
shorts AND t shirts will go, viral that, moment which
is not going to be, public is very important because
after that, dinner they already went in thinking they're gonna take,
them and they've scouted them pretty, heavily but really spending

(29:08):
time around the human being and getting a better feel
for his outlook on, life what he, values what he does,
not really helps. Crystallize AND i bet after they make
the decision here in an upcoming, month they will, say
we felt really good about him on film and the
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get your questions. Answered on the, show we will start With.
Austin during the, OFFSEASON i see so many accounts talking
ABOUT pff grades AND raz. Scores as a former college baseball,
COACH i do love metrics and, stats but to, me
if all someone can talk about are the scores, GRADES

(30:36):
i question if they actually know what they're talking. About
these are, cool BUT i think the ONLY i think
they should only be a part of the. Puzzle as
a former, Scout i'm curious how much stock you take
in a guy's metrics and which ones you think are.
IMPORTANT i think the number one key to the, scores

(30:56):
right like where you rank at your position group historically are.
Comps so IF i get a guy THAT i think
is an excellent, prospect let's just, say like a second,
rounder but his measurables and his test scores are not, Good,
well you, go, well who is his? Comparison has anyone

(31:17):
with these test scores of hight, weight, speed, agility you
name its have never met these. Numbers we got to
do some reevaluation and vice, versa BECAUSE i think a
lot of times you got a lot of good athletes
to play in college. Football so some guys might not

(31:37):
be great football, players but they do the testing and
they're really. Good and sometimes those people are poor coaching
in college for whatever, reason it never. Materialized and you
can be open to taking those guys late in the.
Draft but how often do we see in the first
couple of rounds where you, go this guy wasn't that
good in, college but he tests. Well AND i also

(31:59):
think certain individuals set off alarms when you're just kind
of a mid, prospect like you're maybe a draftable guy
and then you test really. Well SO i think it
just forces you to re evaluate. Stuff but, like there
are some scores that. Matter you can't be a four
to seven, corner like that's not gonna. Work you can't

(32:22):
have really really short arms in play. Tackle it's gonna be, impossible,
Right and there's a line of, like well are Will
campbell's too short or Are there been a couple examples
of him being able to do, it and he's probably
right on the, edge just like small. Hands small hands
at quarterback aren't the end all be, all but you

(32:45):
do see it come Up Rock. Purty small hands struggles
to hold the ball in inclement. Weather Jared, goff same,
Thing Derek, carr same. Thing it's harder to hold the
ball in a driving rainstorm if your hands aren't as. Big,
now that doesn't mean you can't be good or be,
successful BUT i think and then there are also guys
that are just really good, players but they're just a

(33:08):
six foot d tackle, Right but if you watch them on,
tape Like, jesus and then you end up getting that
guy in the third or fourth. Round SO i think
the scores are almost like a you, KNOW i use
the housing analogy a, lot but like they are the
check marks of different things like how many square foot your,

(33:30):
house how many, bedrooms how many, bathrooms how big is your.
Garage it doesn't mean it might not check all those.
Boxes it may be a great, house just like some
of your scores and some of your measurables might not be.
Great but if you're good on, tape, like, yeah we'll draft,
you but you might not get. Drafted is High in
the best case, scenario you check both. Boxes you're an

(33:52):
elite player and your measurables and testing scores are out
of this. World SO i don't, think, listen this is
this is difficult because you're dealing with human beings and
at the end of the, day there's no way to
measure who's got that dog in. Them and that separates
a lot of guys because by the, TIME i mean

(34:14):
we're talking about a, guy, listen the end of a
draft is a, crapshoot the sixth seventh. Round but when
you're talking about the top one hundred guys in a,
draft like most of them have played at a really high,
level have produced meet a lot of, measurables like what
separates those guys over the course of the next seven eight.
YEARS a lot of, variables and if people had the,

(34:36):
answers they would never. Miss SO i think they try
to take all those ingredients of the tape is always
going to be the most important. Thing the, scores the,
interviews the, interactions what people have said about you from
a scouting, standpoint your, coaches your assistant, coaches your, coordinators your,

(34:56):
teammates your hell you're acting, advisors, Right so you just
try to factor that all in and make the best
decision possible because for the most, part especially once you
get out of the first, round like there are gonna
be question marks with every. Player they're gonna be question
marks with every, player and there are question marks with
first round players. Too but the longer you, go like

(35:19):
once you're picking in the late, second, third fourth, round
you could pick typically between several guys at every. Spot
it's hard and you just try to make the most
educated guess you can. Make it's WHY i think teams
that draft really well have a really good feel for
the type people they. Like like The, ravens they know
what they're looking, for, Right The chiefs have a pretty

(35:42):
good idea what they're looking. For The rams now feels
like they're pretty dialed on the human as much as the.
Player can you make it make. SENSE i live in
a state where you cannot gamble on the, games BUT
i can gamble If luca will score thirty, points or
IF i think AN nfl quarterback will throw a bunch of.
Interceptions why is it legal for that to be allowed

(36:05):
for us to gamble on, that but not the actual.
GAMES i don't, know, MAN i THINK i THINK i
know the companies you're talking. About i've lived In arizona
now for whatever three, years SO i have no issues
with The DraftKings app used it a. LOT i think
they've been able to like fall under the fantasy football,

(36:29):
category which it's not fantasy football betting on HOW i
mean THAT'S i can gamble on that, too On, DraftKings,
RIGHT i. DO i do, props you can do over.
Unders i've tried a couple times on basketball points And
i've never got it. Right, like, Oh Steph curry twenty
two point, Five i'll hit this, easy and then he's,
like going into the last five, minutes he's got like sixteen.

(36:50):
Points But i'm with, you it's pretty. Stupid another quick.
Question i've been hearing a lot of concerns About genti's,
height but his height really big factor at running. Back if,
anything wouldn't you want my running? BACK i wouldn't want
my running back to be too tall because he would
get tackled. Easily genti being five eight could be an

(37:11):
advantage because his lower center of. Gravity you see the
way he bounces off. TACKLES i just feel IF i
was A, GM i would look at a few other
factors before. HEIGHT a lot of the greatest running backs
of all time aren't even six. Foot, again this gets
back to that score. Thing you'd have to look in
the history of THE. Nfl when's the last time a

(37:33):
guy under five to nine dominated it running back and
got drafted really. High there aren't that many, comps so
WHEN i look at he's. Smaller but one guy THAT
i look back at Was Darren, sproulls who was a
dominant college. Player who IS i, mean his junior year

(37:54):
At Kansas state ran for two thousand yards and sixteen.
Touchdowns Hell is sophomore year ran fifteen hundred yards and seventeen.
Touchdowns his last three years he had forty six. Touchdowns
and that's just rushing the. Ball and he's he's smaller
than genty he's five foot, six but like was an elite,
player and we discriminated a lot more twenty years ago

(38:16):
against Hythe but he went the fourth. Round now modern,
day Because sprowls could, catch he would go ON i,
mean he would go on the second day of the.
Draft but you look at these comps you, Go we'll
think of the star running backs in THE nfl just
over the last like twenty, Years, Ladanian, Tomlinson Marshall, Falk Adrian,

(38:38):
Peterson sakuon. McCaffrey you just look at some of the.
Guys they weren't, short, like they weren't five to eight.
Short now they might be five ten or five. Eleven
i'm with, you don't need to Be Derreck. Henry you
don't need to Be Adrian. Peterson but genty is closer
To Darren sprolls than he Is Saquon. Barkley and the

(39:01):
other thing is all these Guys i'm listening, Right Adrian,
Peterson Saquon, Barkley christian, McCaffrey Be John. Robinson they played
AGAINST nfl players most. Weeks jenti for the most part
was just playing Against New mexico And President. State now
he had a great game Against, oregon so that really
works in his. Favor but if you want to take

(39:21):
him in the first, Round i'm not arguing against taking
this guy in the first. Round we're. TALKING i get
asked about, like should The raiders take him at six?
Overall should The bears take him at? Ten, overall AND
i just, say, hey we got to pump the. Brakes and,
again if he becomes a, superstar no one will say.
Anything but if he's just okay or just even just

(39:43):
a solid, player that pick will look. Insane and that's
my only. TAKE i am. Pro he was my favorite
player to watch this. Year he was. AWESOME i went
out of my way to Watch Boise state. Play what
he was doing was, stupid but like Playing New, mexico
Playing San Diego state isn't the same as Playing Penn
state every, week and we saw it. Now granted his offensive,

(40:05):
line you, know if he would HAVE i would feel
much better about gent AND i respect him for doing.
This he stayed At boise and as coach even, said
he passed up a lot of. MONEY i think they
paid him like three hundred, grand which again is a.
Lot he was being offered LIKE i think seven figures
to go to the sweet, schools the schools like in
The final. Four and if he had done what he,

(40:27):
did even seventy eighty percent At texas or At alabama
or At Ohio state or, WHEREVER i think you would
feel much more comment Or oregon much more confident about taking.
Him really high because every single week the level of
competition and maybe he's proven he's. Awesome now this guy
got banged. Up BUT i was around WHEN i was
At friend Of State Ryan, matthews who was a fucking

(40:48):
tank who was five to, eleven just, JACKED i mean
two hundred and twenty pounds and could run a four
to four and when he was healthy dominated whoever we.
Played and we KNOW i was. There we were playing
and The Brian Kelly cincinnati, TEAMS Ucla wisconsin like playing good.
Teams Boise, state who at a time was like a

(41:08):
top ten, program AND i Think ryan ran for like
two hundred dards against. Them but then he got to
THE nfl and he got hurt a, lot and maybe
he was just a guy that was gonna be injured a,
lot or maybe it's, like well he never you, know
if he would have played at like in The pac
twelve or The big, ten maybe his body would have
been more accustomed to. IT i just bring that up

(41:29):
BECAUSE i know those are the questions being, asked AND
i feel Like i'm gonna come off as a, hater
AND i am. NOT i love the, player BUT i
think taking him really high in the draft is. Insane
it really, is BECAUSE i liked when The lions again
bad draft a little like. This And Jamier, gibbs who you,

(41:54):
know was five nine and a half two hundred pounds
now he ran a four to three. Six so his
college production looked nothing Like genty was not nearly as.
Good he started At Georgia tech and then WHERE i
think he backed Up Jordan, mason who the forty nine

(42:15):
ers just traded In, minnesota so he was part and
then he transferred To alabama where he was like a you,
know part time. Player we played a, lot but didn't
run for a thousand, yards but caught forty four. Balls
so when you look At Austin, genty WHO i don't
think ran at the, COMBINE i don't know when his
pro day. Is, yeah he didn't do any of that.
Stuff now he's thicker Than, jamir But jamir went twelve elite,

(42:39):
speed elite speed and can really catch the. Ball smaller
player and a little you, know a little, taller but
essentially very similar. Sizes if you tell Me Ashton genty
runs a four to three, six you can take him at.
TWELVE i have no problem and, listening he's clearly pretty
fast fine four SIX nfl combine now. Bad let's how

(43:04):
you get drafted a. Twelve now here's the other thing
The lions. Did they traded from six to, twelve so
they essentially Got gibbs an report without. Day do you
think THE nfl of college football is a better business?

(43:25):
PERSONALLY i think it's college payroll including nil isn't even.
Comparable college football has the same revenue, channels but THE
nfl makes dramatically more. Money plus college football is all split,
up and college football as it's set up right, NOW
i have to give money to women's soccer and men's
baseball and. Lacrosse THE nfl makes dramatically, more only has

(43:51):
thirty two teams in the, partnership and doesn't give any
of the money to any other. Sports there is no
such thing As title nine in THE. Nfl title nine
is known as the owner's. Yacht so it's they're not comparable.
Businesses there are way more teams in, college a lot
more teams that don't generate the revenue that get to

(44:12):
leach off. It THE nfl is just it's just an
incredible business right. Now, Man there's no way around. It
talk about this on the pod so he sent me
This DraftKings picture Of Rick. Patino how everywhere he went
within a couple of, years they. Dominated people often disregard
basketball coaches as the least important in. Sports some people

(44:34):
are just, different, though and this is an example of
why you need to cut checks for certain guys because
THE roi is. INSANE i think college, BASKETBALL i think
THE nba pushes back on. One baseball would be number.
One like the manager doesn't matter in twenty twenty. Five
the front office runs the teams and just based on the.

(44:56):
Money you, know a baseball manager makes like what a
wide receiver coach in college football. Makes but no one's
ever argued in. Basketball in College calipari is. THO i,
mean look at the coaches in The sweet sixteen coach
K Forever. BEHEIM i think college basketball coaches were always
really really famous because they were really really. Important SO

(45:18):
i hear. YOU i don't think. ANYONE i think it's
more of THE. Nba, NOW a good coach matters in THE,
nba but you would never remember the. Argument there's like
a sports talk radio argument About Brad stevens or a
top five. Player this was like a decade. Ago it's like,
no you would take the top. Player but even Like Eric,
spolstro look At Eric spolster is a bad. Team they.

(45:39):
Suck you need good, players you need star. Players in,
basketball Has Caler murray reached the ceiling forever being a
dynamic player that can't take his team to the next
level or do we chalk his limitations up to poor
coaching and the lack of supporting. TALENT i think he
kind of is what he. IS i just think he's

(46:00):
a pretty fickle. Player if you catch him on the right,
day he can beat anyone in the. League he can
play a half of football that's as good As mahomes
Or Josh, Allen Lamar. Jackson when when he's on on individual,
drives he is, unstoppable scrambling around making. THROWS i would
say he is his talent level is really, high but

(46:21):
his consistency level is really. Low and you, know only
people around him can really, Tell, like is it? Coaching
is it JUST i do think whenever you're really short
and this is again the high THING i Heard David.
ANDREWS i saw this clip the Former patriots. Center he's
like the thing that blows you away when you get
to THE nfl is how enormous and he's like WHEN

(46:44):
i came into THE, Nfl Peyton, Manning Tom, Brady Carson,
Palmer Philip, Rivers Eli, Manning Joe, flacco how huge these quarterbacks.
ARE i remember WHEN i Met Carson, PALMER i was,
like is this guy AN nba? Player he looks like six.'
ten now he was like six but she's. So thick
these guys. Are huge And for kyler to be as

(47:04):
good as he is at five foot nine is a
testament to how elite his just. Athleticism miss and he's
got a great. Arm too, sometimes, sure guys you know
arm can be hit, Or miss, BUT yeah I think
i think he just kind of is what he. IS
now i think the question is can you stretch out
his good football a? Little LONGER but i don't think

(47:27):
he'll ever be in the. ELITE category i think he
can have an individual season that is. Pretty dynamic that
one the one year when they should have probably won,
the division but they. Blew it at, the end he
threw twenty. Four touchdowns he actually was really good to start.

(47:48):
His career his second year twenty six and twelve in
another eleven touchdowns on. The ground his third year and,
twenty one twenty, four touchdowns ten picks with five touchdowns on.
The ground he's always given you, a, five, three, three.
Five eleven his eleven touchdown years a little bit of.

(48:09):
An outlier he actually he kind of gets sacked. A
lot he missed a lot. Of games so his first
two years never. Got hurt, second year missed a. Couple games,
THIRD year i think that's when he tears acl and
then he. Comes back he actually was durable, last year
played in every game they went eight, to nine so he's.
Fully healthy last year eight and nine sixty, eight percent

(48:34):
so he's. Pretty accurate twenty one. And eleven THEY just
i think he'd like a little more explosion. ON offense,
i mean that's why They Drafted. MARVIN harrison I think
i think he's kind of the. Worst spot Like he's
he's definitely better than a lot, Of guys but is
he good enough to be paying a ton of money
and be a. Franchise quarterback, Probably not but you could do.

(48:56):
Way WORSE like, i mean, eight nine some of those
were definitely, on him but some of those wins were on.
Him too he's just he's a hard to player to
kind of like describe which is good and bad if
You're a. Cardinal fan As a, seahawk FAN our gm
has been heavily criticized for not taking lineman by many

(49:20):
people in the, fan base either he's not spending big
money in free agency or whiffing on our offensive line.
Draft picks as a, former scout what are the most
important aspects to look for in scouting interior? Offensive lineman
and do you Agree with schneider's free agent philosophy of
not reaching? For, need well when you reach in, free
agency you gotta pay. A lot SO if I if

(49:41):
i'm reaching for, a guard it's gonna cost me twenty
two million dollars. A year look At the packers they
Just Bought. Aaron Banks aaron banks is like an average starter,
at best and they're paying a ton. Of Money so
i'm not against his philosophy. AT all i do think
with guards and centers. Your scheme now He's. Got kubiak
they run a zone, running scheme so they're gonna look

(50:04):
for athletes more than. Power maulers and the key with
the garter center in the you know kind of the
zone running scheme is being able to move your feet
and position. Positional, block, now luckily, you know it's easier
to find those guys Than Like larry Allen Or logan

(50:24):
mankins or you know someone. Like that, BUT like i
think a lot of people would tell you that the
offensive line development in college has never been worse because
when a, guy's decent he gets a bunch, of money he's,
moving schools and his development IS just i don't want
to say it's been slowed, or stopped but it's just
it's not the same as it used to that be

(50:46):
so it's it's more difficult. To find and then at
the end of, the day like guards, and centers like.
D tackles i think the number one thing you would
hear talking to, HEAD coaches, GMS coordinators o line coaches, like, toughness, toughness.
Mindset toughness, you know the one thing you saw With
that eagles run Is like jurgen's back is, Not working

(51:06):
dickerson's leg is like, falling off and he like wouldn't
come out of. The game and THEN if i, remember
correctly Like did jurgensen go back in the game when he?
Didn't start And then dickerson, is like, these guys you
gotta be tough as nails to play garden CENTER when
i Think Of jason Kelsey or i'll. Never FORGET when
i WAS a Ga At, fresno State coach Hill Had

(51:27):
jim otto talk to. The team i've told this before
and he did LIKE a Q and a after he gave
like a pump. UP speech i think he passed away
pretty recently and someone on the team, asked him like
the toughest player he ever? Went against, YOU know i
Mean the raiders are playing Like Mean joe green every
single year in the in the peak of that rivalry in,
The Seventies Mean. JOE green I think wiley considered, one

(51:50):
of if not the best. Defensive tackles they also Played
The Purple people eaters In The. Super bowl they won.
Pretty sure they had a Guy Named, deacon Jones And jim,
outo said, by far the toughest Guy that i've ever
played against is THE guy i see in the MORNING
when i look in. THE mirror i, just think kind of,
LIKE wrestlers i need my guards and, centers tough and

(52:12):
there's a different level of toughness IN, the nfl and
it's just hard. To Quantify the cardinals joke of. A
franchise you're, not wrong but they are my TEAM play
gm what can they do to. BE relevant i don't
think they're a joke of a franchise in the sense
of like they got A Real jonathan gannon's a. REAL
coach i Think they've. They're not it's more. THE owner

(52:35):
i think it's not viewed, very highly but like from a,
football standpoint like they got, Good players they've been competitive
the last couple of Years. With kyler they've had, some
moments you Know with bruce arians and kind like they
were a. Real franchise they were really good there for
a couple. Of YEARS so i think anytime that you're
just like it almost feels like they're in. A relationship,

(52:56):
you know you're not gonna, marry her but in a
weird you're like, living together so you're essentially married and
you can't really break up, with ther but you're kind.
Of stuck you don't even like. Each other it's almost like.
Your roommates that's kind Of the. KYLER situation i know
they've spoken about, it positively, BUT like i think we
have to acknowledge like they're in this weird spot, with

(53:18):
him and it could get. Way, worse like let's just
say they traded him. To whoever let's just say next
offseason they trade him because they go eight to nine
again and he has a. Similar season they just trade
him for like second round pick to move on and.
Just reset there's a chance they're way worse at quarterback for.
A while, but like that is not going to be.
Good enough but think about the best two teams. You've
Had carson palmer, was healthy high, end player the one

(53:41):
You Were kurt Warner obviously hall. Of FAMER but i
think when you're in Business, with kyler it's just a
tough spot because you're paying, a premium but you're not
always getting. A premium this isn't a, football question but
just curious on. Your take i'm twenty four. Years old
i'm aspiring, film director currently Living, in nashville but my
lease Expires. In january so OFTEN that I hear i

(54:06):
should Move To los Angeles Or new york in order
to get my foot in the door in. The INDUSTRY
but i feel LIKE maybe i don't fully grasp. That
advice moving somewhere does not automatically grant, you success? Does
it for people who give that kind of advice what
do you think they? Are actual what do you think
are the actual tangible benefits to moving to one of?

(54:29):
These places actionable things that would allow me to have
a plan before moving. Out there curious. Your Thoughts lifelong,
steelers fan, Big, fan well, congrats man follow, your dreams.
Bro do i'm being. Dead serious that's, Really. COOL listen
i don't know the specifics on. Your industry, you know

(54:54):
forever it was like if you wanted to Work, in, HOLLYWOOD, movies,
Tv whatever like people were Moving to la aspiring actors
and actresses just to do whatever they could to be
in the vicinity of. Those HUMANS and I think i
remember three or four, years ago my brother's college roommate

(55:17):
works for this big, almond farmer and this almond farmer
had this huge party In the fresno area and he
tried To Get stevie nicks to. Come play he couldn't
and He Got joan. Jet instead she was. Freaking awesome
this is like a party for like two, thousand people
and Me and, jeff went and he Also Had, john
PARTY who's i don't want, to say like a country,
music superstar but he's a pretty. BIG deal i think he's.

(55:39):
Pretty good he's he's a country musician who's, like legit
and he also played. The party so it was Him
And joan jet for a couple. Thousand people and there
was an after party that me and my brother got
it kind of like snuck our way into because it
was only like not that many People in, russell's Office
And john party was in there with some, other people

(56:00):
and eventually everyone left and it was Just Me Jeff
john party and like a, twelve back and we were
just drinking talking and he told this story about when
he was coming up and he was from, you know
kind Of the, sacramento area, and someone, this guy, this
businessman who Eventually, told john if you do not leave

(56:25):
this area and Move, to nashville you might as well
just go into construction or do. Something else you will never.
Make it so he picked up and he left and
he Went to nashville and the rest. Is HISTORY and
i think the one thing he said, IS like i
just got to be around, music producers people in THE
industry i could, just meet whether it through events or

(56:46):
whether it was just, playing places and have those. People
attending now in a situation like you if you're a,
movie producer right, or director or you want to work in?
That world part of quote unquote Go. To la do
you just walk up to the three or four big
production operations and knock on the door and try to get? A?

(57:07):
Job like are you any more likely seeing those people
because they work in, an office they're not out like
recruiting in the town for someone? Like you or does it?
Even matter can you just find a way to send
your stuff to? Those people now you could argue do
those people hold the same amount of power as they?
Once did would it be more important to get in

(57:29):
front of the Guy, at netflix of the Guy, at
amazon of the guy on you know whoever Runs NBC's
peacock and are you any more likely doing that through
the internet than how are you ever going to get
in front of? These PEOPLE so i hear you like
it's easy To play devil's advocate and go HOW do

(57:51):
i get in front of this? Human BEING and i,
would say in twenty, twenty five you'd have to be, pretty,
SPECIFIC right i don't think you would just knock on
any door and a lot of these people the business is.
Dramatically changing you could, also argue if you're able to
find a way TO produce i don't know your own

(58:12):
little mini movies or whatever and put them. On YouTube
you were able to create things now from Anywhere in
america that can you can just send the link to
those People through LinkedIn that you could hustle without. Being
THERE so i think there are pros and cons. TO
it i think twenty thirty, years ago you would have,
no choice like if you wanted to get into, the

(58:33):
industry you would have to gravitate in your field to
one of. Those places you could argue in. Country music
now you don't have to Move to nashville. RIGHT away
i could become a star on TikTok on instagram and
be discovered. THAT way i don't need to Play on
Broadway RIGHT so i think the world's changed because Of. The.

(58:54):
INTERNET now i don't exactly know your story of like
are you already producing stuff that's AVAILABLE that i could
click on? A link or have you not done anything
and you just have Ideas down because if you're at,
that stage you probably would want to get some sort
of mentorship working. For someone but in, my EXPERIENCE like
i could never have made it TO the NFL if

(59:16):
i did not get the opportunity to Work At, fresno
state and THE way i got my cousin had played
there is a. Long snapper but during spring break, ONE
year i had been calling around tried to get. A
gig i just Drove to fresno and went up to
the office and met, the guy and that's how our
kind of. Relationship started so sometimes in a world of

(59:38):
like emails and dms and all, that stuff, there is,
you know value to. Meeting people why couldn't, YOU just
i don't know your, financial situation just Go to La Or,
new york rent the cheapest, hotel possible spend a week
and just go knock on some doors or attack it
that way as a person instead of moving. Out THERE

(01:00:00):
so i would argue in twenty, twenty five the OLD
school i got to go there is not as important
as it. Once was but there always is a VALUE
of i, don't know being in the vicinity of a.
HUMAN being, i think is there any sort, of convention,
you know like, for football, for example the combine things

(01:00:23):
like that where people trying to get, involved coaching, you
know clinics and things where people go to to, meet people,
shake hands develop. A network i would say those things
are pretty important that don't force you, to MOVE but
i don't think your career just ends if you don't
move there by. Any MEANS so, i guess as a

(01:00:44):
long winded way of, saying, THAT like i don't think
necessarily you have, to go but there are a lot
of VARIABLES that i don't know about your situation for
me to give. YOU advice i, do think, you KNOW
when i first got into, the MEDIA when i was,
doing radio the MORE events i, went to, you know

(01:01:04):
the MORE people i, met in the more my life
just or, my career my professional. Life expanded SO when
i first left football in thirteen and for like fourteen,
fifteen sixteen constantly going To obviously Niners and, raiders PRACTICE
but i went to a Ton of. WARRIOR games i

(01:01:25):
went to a Ton of. GIANTS games i was. Just
around so there's always. A benefit and it's not apples
to apples to, your question but just, being around especially if,
you're young that's the other thing you got going for you.
You're young it gets harder once you get my agency and, be,
Like ah i'm not that interested in doing that when,
you're young assuming, you're single kind of times on, your

(01:01:46):
side opportunities on, your side AND like, i said even
if you don't need, to move, just like look at some,
shitty hotel scrape together see if, you can, you know
if you can get a couple hundred bucks AND just
i guess you got to fly, there too But help
maybe can take the bus and just go for like
a week and just go. Guerrilla warfare you map out
A plan i need To, MEET again i don't know.

(01:02:09):
Your industry these three or, four people EVEN if i
meet their assistance right or someone in, their sinning HOW
do i just make an impression at like thirty second,
elevator pitch EVEN if i only get in front of
one of the five people with connection to That person as,

(01:02:38):
NIGALS fan i was sad To See milton, william GO
but i get there was No way philly was gonna
pay him that, that said do you think They'll Pay
jalen carter if he has another year like the one
and what will? He cout the answer, is yes and
a lot. Of money if he keeps playing like, he's
playing he'll be, one of if not the highest paid
players in. The league and His agent rosenous now he's

(01:03:00):
done a lot of Deals, with howie but it will not,
come CHEAP so i would say an astronomical amount. OF
money i think Ideally the eagles probably would play it out.
Four years it'd be interesting if he has another sweet
year he's Like An? All pro will you want to
get paid after his? Third year question for the pod
do you think there is a higher chance that one
of the second Tier quarterbacks, Gabriel McCord dart in this

(01:03:24):
year's draft has more success if they go to a
better situation in the later Rounds than Ward or sanders in.
The first, OF course. I would i would imagine if
we look back on, the draft a ton of the
second tier guys become really. GOOD players, i mean think
about some of the starters over the. Last decade purty seventh,
round pick, Great Situation dak prescott fourth, round pick, Great

(01:03:47):
situation cousins fourth. Round pick not a, great situation but
kind of. Worked Out russell wilson third. Round pick like
what If You're jackson dart and you go To the
rams and you go To the rams and you get
to sit for a Year buying stafford and the next,
Year start that's a much better situation Than the titans Or.
The giants i'm sure this idea has, been considered maybe,

(01:04:08):
even TRIED but, i can't for the life of me
think why THE current nfl rules someone wouldn't. Try this
imagine having a uniquely, tall player Someone, like shack playing.
TIGHT end i would just tell that player to run,
five yards, turn around have the quarterback throw the ball
high enough only the tight end could. Grab it how
would that not? Be, UNSTOPPABLE again i can't imagine this

(01:04:32):
idea has never, been Considered but i'm curious as. YOUR
take i would imagine it's been discussed. That guy let's
just pick a, seven footer even if he's not as Big,
as shack But Let's, Kevin Garneth. Anthony, davis okay he runs,
five yards. Turns around there's never been an easier human,
to Tackle and i'm taking you out of your legs

(01:04:52):
like you're gonna. Get INJURED so i think it's. In
theory it's easy to say it out loud and kind
of makes, some success but part of being a good.
Tight End, Kelsey Kittle, mark andrews whoever, You, Know Kronk,
Tony Gonzalez, Shanna sharp you're like great with the ball in.
Your hands you can, make moves you can, run routes,

(01:05:15):
so like do those guys have to change of direction at?
Their HEIGHT and i also think they're very very easy,
To TACKLE so i think that's. The problem very easy
to tackle and how fast? Are they right RELATIVE to?
NFL players i think there's a certain height AS an
nfl player that actually is. A disadvantage that would be my.
JUST take i haven't thought that much. ABOUT it i

(01:05:37):
hear what you're saying and maybe, be effective but just
you're gonna have a roster spot for a guy that
just runs four or five yard routes because, you're right
if you can, throw it can the? Guy catch if
you think about most of the tight ends that have been,
basketball players they've actually been short relative to, basketball, players
right they're like six three to. Six Five. Antonio gates

(01:05:58):
i'm a Fan Of ryan poles and what he has
been able to Build. In chicago the wins haven't, been
there but this may be the best team we've had
Since the. Lovey days well he's Had, Some, Missus Claypool.
Nate davis he has great hits and that has Given
the bears their best shot. At relevancy while our team
has been tailored To Fit ben, Johnson's style poles hasn't

(01:06:19):
been getting THE credit i think. He deserves it seems
as though everyone has given the Credit to ben as
if he's building out the. ROSTER himself i don't doubt
The Role ben johnson is most likely playing in the,
roster MOVES but i feel that the guy who is
negotiating and making them happen deserves. More credit OR am?
I Wrong and poles has had his role diminished With

(01:06:41):
The ben. Johnson, SHOW yeah, I mean i think part
of it is the carryover from. Last year so the
stink of the. Previous season they Fired ebra Flusen, on,
thanksgiving Right they so the coach has been out, of
sight out of mind for so long that the hype

(01:07:02):
of last year a lot Revolved Around. RYAN poles i
considered it the greatest trade in the history of sports
for what he Got, from carolina and then the season, you're,
like well still pretty. Good trade you would, redo it but,
it's like we still gotta let this thing. Play out
how well it works out For the Bears and listen's

(01:07:25):
he definitely has not. Been bad like they had a
lot of talent on the field last year and now
at their, offensive line it's. Much Better and i'm. WITH you,
i mean with how bad their offensive, line Was Whether
ben johnson was their coach or me or you was,
their coach they were gonna trade for some offensive wine
help or sign offensive. Wine HELP but i, do, think

(01:07:46):
Listen the caleb thing was the easiest thing to ever,
do right and he didn't even entertain drafting the. Other
guys shouldn't he have been Seriously Entertaining jade Daniels And.
Drake may shouldn't he have brought? Them in and he?
Never did and Then the roma DONSAY pick I, LIKE
rome i Am pro, roma doonsay but Like the bear

(01:08:07):
should have Not drafted, roma doonsay they should have drafted an,
offensive lineman and there were a ton on, the board
and that's a. Big MISTAKE so i do Think the
kleb thing like a lot of Pressures. On kleb And
if jayden continues to, play well like you could have.
Taken Him so i'm not gonna say. It's over they've played,

(01:08:27):
one season but that, one season it's Not Like jayden
daniels played on some. Loaded team when scouting, running backs
how do you weigh the double edged sword of strength
of schedule. Versus mileage jent played In The mountain west
and didn't face top, defensive talent but also probably has
more gas in the tank due to NOT facing sec.
Defensive lineman does it all even out and make conference

(01:08:51):
or relevance from mid to top tier? Running? Backs ps
can we get a save it or save it or
shave It For? Jed? UYORK yeah i mean it's really
really hard because because when you excel In The big
ten OR the sec as a, running back you are
playing a TON of nfl, Defensive Players like i'm pro
S You. Door sanders but the success he had playing

(01:09:15):
quarterback In The big twelve was not against a LOT of.
Nfl players and While The big twelve is a powerful
conference from a, talent standpoint it's not great. On defense
so how many, defensive linemen linebackers and corners are you
playing that are going to go TO? The nfl so
you're evaluating them, it's, like well THESE aren't. Nfl, players

(01:09:38):
well when you play IN the sec Or The, big
ten like every, single week you're playing a BUNCH of,
Nfl players so it's an. Easier evaluation there's no right
or wrong way to do It because we've seen a
lot of guys not playing big conferences and go on
to excel IN. The NFL but, i, think like if
you Just expect genty to like break all these Tackles
Against fred Warner And, luke keakley and, IT'S like I know,

(01:10:00):
looke's retired but you KNOW what, i mean it's probably not.
Gonna happen so like the dominance AND his i remember
a scout texting me during, The season, they're like his
highlight tape, is stupid and you just go to YouTube
Type in Ashton gent t twenty. Twenty four he looks
like a video. GAME player i do think some of

(01:10:22):
those no one's arguing. As talent he is a. Elite
talent he's a. Special talent but like the guys he's
doing it against aren't a BUNCH of. Nfl GUYS so
i don't have a great answer. FOR you i think
you put more stock into when guys excel at the
highest level against the. Best players and if you dominate

(01:10:45):
on offense IN, the sec you're gonna be pretty good.
On offense probably Like, brock bowers unstoppable IN the sec
is pretty good IN. The nfl, like that it's usually
sometimes in college you never. Really know Right In mountain
west or you know In the act twelve, was down
it's kind of hit. Or miss you're taking an. Educated
Guess So ashton gent could be a, Pro, bowler like

(01:11:08):
it wouldn't shock me if you tell me he Makes Two,
Pro bowls and it wouldn't shock me at off you
say he never Makes A. Pro bowl, you Know when
saquon came out and, went like this Guy's A pro,
BOWL talent i would say the same Thing About. Bjhon
robinson now there are, other variables how well your team's
run all, this stuff but like, you want these guys are,
Freak SHOWS like i Don't put gent on. That level

(01:11:28):
same thing, With, McCaffrey, like wait this guy can play
receiver and he's like a dominant inside runner. As well
how's this not gonna work well injuries because when he's. Healthy,
dominates okay, last question what are the realistic expectations For?
Arch Manning The quinn viewers era, had moments but the
definition of heis. And lows my expectations aren't. That high

(01:11:52):
now the team is gonna, be STACKED and i think.
Y're one he can play LIKE a jj McCarthy. Type
role now he's a better ATHLETE than. Jj McCarthy but
ONE thing i think people don't, quite understand and maybe
it improves dramatically. This offseason he does not have some
huge arm so like when you Watch cam Ward Or

(01:12:15):
caleb Williams Or jaden drake may like they were. THROWING
seeds I think arch is much more Closer to peyton
than He is eli in terms. Of ARMSTRING so i
think the Hype on arch. Is outrageous anything less than
like superstardom is gonna feel like. A letdown i think
it's gonna be a. Little difficult so, MY expectation i

(01:12:36):
think he's gonna be a. Good player this team's, So
STACKED like i wouldn't just put all my money on
him being the future number one overall pick based ON
what i saw him throwing the. Ball, velosity now it's
not the end all, be all but he plays IN.
The sec so over the next assuming he's gonna play
at minimum a couple of years, in COLLEGE which i

(01:12:57):
would expect play next year and then, another year he's
gonna playing a LOT of nfl PLAYERS, at Lsu, at
ALABAMA at A and M at Georgia, at florida like
he's going up against the cream of. The crop so we're, gonna,
Know right, AND yeah i would say my expectations this
upcoming year, are TEMPERED and i honestly feel it's like

(01:13:19):
unfair the hype on this guy might be the biggest
ever because of the build up of his family name
other guys he just got. To play so like the
hype on Whoever t Bow Or caleb williams or luck
happened as they. Were playing it, was, like oh this
is the greatest prospect of, All Time. Trevor lawrence but

(01:13:39):
it was like while they, were playing all this hype On.
Arch manning it's like he's what had a couple of
spot Starts for, quinn yours he's, barely played came In
against georgia in, a blowout like it's, it's tough really,
good athlete. ARM strength i gotta. SEE it i gotta.
See IT and, I mean i think he's just talking
about like he's a future number one overall pick now,

(01:14:02):
size check, clearly character high, level cat like the, way
teammate The way i've, Read articles clearly an. Impressive guy
how he. Throws it i'm fascinated to see he's in an.
INCREDIBLE spot, i mean the team over the next couple
of years is Gonna Be it's southern Version Of ohio state,

(01:14:24):
unlimited money, sweet roster. Skilled dudes so he's got he's
got awesome, Play caller he's in an. Incredible spot but
the hype, for guy that's it's. IT'S hard i mean
For every, cooper flag it's like, the hype, the hype.
The hype then he, shows up He's, like jesus and then
he just dominates number one. Overall pick there are a
lot of people that go the. Other WAY and i

(01:14:44):
think the Factor, like arch a huge part of, his
hype which was out of, his control was just. His
name would he have, been this would we be discussing
him if his Name Was, Arch Johnson, Arch Williamson arch
middle cough, no chance, no chance doesn't mean he can't

(01:15:07):
become a. Great PLAYER but i. Don't know, i'm EXCITED
like i can't wait to. WATCH him, a big big
fan Of the. Manning FAMILY but i think, THE hype,
i mean it feels like he's talked about like he's
just a better player than like all the number one
picks over the last like. Fifteen years anything Less than
arch being like consensus number one pick feels like it's

(01:15:28):
going to be. A disappointment That's all. I'M saying i
feel like. It's unfair how's he going to live up?
TO that i. Don't know audios the volume

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