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January 24, 2025 • 92 mins

John dives into Championship weekend in the NFL by talking about the importance for the players and coaches to get to the Super Bowl, and how just getting to the big game could set up a coach for a long-term deal. Next, John does a pressure test for each team this weekend by talking about who has the most pressure this weekend and who has the least amount of pressure. Later, John discusses the ratings dip for the National Championship Game, and the return of Fugazi Friday.

Lastly, John is joined by Stuckey from the Action Network to give you the best bets for the upcoming NFL games..

5:47 - The importance of getting to the Super Bowl

13:22 - Philly needs to win

14:33 - Pressure on the Bills

23:00 - Does KC have any pressure

25:33 - No pressure on Washington

32:43 - Other NFL news

37:47 - Fugazi Friday

38:58 - Stuckey

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
Hopefully everyone is having a great day, beautiful morning, great afternoon.

(00:23):
Whenever you're listening to this podcast, you can pick and choose.
We have a couple of big games, the NFC Championship Game,
Tom Brady on the call in Philadelphia. Then we have
a little thing called the AFC Championship Game, which kind
of a big deal. Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen. So I
thought we'd do is we do a little pressure rankings.

(00:44):
Obviously there's a lot of pressure this week because this
is why we play, this is why we watch sports,
That's why we watch the National Football League because it
all comes down to these couple games. We only got
three of them left, so we got to enjoy it.
And then we'll hit on a couple other story as well.
It's fugazi fright. I think I got a fugazi going
on in my life. That makes me feel kind of weird.

(01:04):
But we'll touch on that. Stucky joins us. We will
dive into these two games from a gambling perspective. A
lot going on when it comes to the Commander six
point dog at Philly and the Bills right now, as
a DraftKings a one and a half point underdog in
Kansas City, which has become now is the fourth time

(01:25):
they've played in five years, so it's becoming quite the
little rivalry at Josh and Patrick Mahomes. We'll have a
podcast tomorrow mail Bag, so look for that as well.
If you listen on Collins Feed, make sure you subscribe
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I've become, beside football and golf, a very casual sports

(02:53):
fan like I don't watch really any regular season NBA.
I don't think before the playoffs, I watched nine mets
worth of Major League Baseball. The twenty eight year old
John would think I'm on drugs the amount I consumed
from basically age eight nine, ten years old up until
I don't know, five six years ago. But I you know,

(03:14):
your life changes. I don't even have kids yet, but
I've just had to pick and choose what I consume.
And obviously doing this for a living, you know, all
my chips are in the middle of the table. On
football college and definitely obviously the NFL, and you know, golf.
I'm just that's probably the one sport that I'm still
a fan of. Also gamble and we do a little
bit here on the podcast. But you know, when it

(03:36):
comes to basketball, March madness now and definitely baseball, Like
I get into it if the games matter, and typically
that's when the playoffs start, and you just know there's
a lot on the line, and there's something about the
communal experience of watching games that really matter, and you know,

(03:57):
for not just the historical perspective of the sport of
the individual player, but just on that individual day when
they're playing a game, like there's a lot on the line.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
And the great part about the playoffs in pro sports,
I mean you're talking about all these guys. Now, you know,
we got players making in the NBA. Some guy's making
like sixty million dollars. Show, Hey, o Tani just signed
a contract for seven hundred and fifty million dollars. You
have a ton of I mean, Patrick Mahomes and Josh
Allen signed to combine like seven hundred million dollars worth

(04:29):
of contracts, right, Jalen Hurt signed up two hundred million
dollar contract and Jadon Daniels looks like he's poised if
he just doesn't get injured that probably potentially one day
signed the biggest contract in the history of the sport. Yet,
when it comes to the playoffs, every guy on the
roster makes the same amount of money, and the playoffs
isn't about money. The playoffs is about like your legacy.

(04:53):
You're standing in the sport not just against your current peers,
but historically the guys that played before you, and money
has no factor in this. It's not about stats. We
don't judge you, like no one talks about Josh Allen's
box score. Last week, why it doesn't matter. He won
the game, no turnovers, that's all that really mattered. But

(05:17):
this week, like you don't have to win the Super
Bowl to kind of get remembered, you know, I mean,
we talked still about will you get to the game.
It's a really big deal. Obviously winning the game puts
you in a different stratosphere as a player or definitely
as a coach, But just making it to the event.

(05:39):
We've seen in recent memory like changes the course of
your career. Last year, a guy that was drafted in
the last pick of the draft, mister Irrelevant, had a
lead in the second half against Patrick Mahomes, And a
huge part of this offseason with Brock Purty negotiating against
the forty nine ers was like, I was your starting
quarterback when we went to the Super Bowl two years ago.

(06:03):
Jalen Hurts, who is probably one of the more polarizing
players currently in the NFL, outdueled Patrick Mahomes. Was just
way better than him. Like that's just it's not even
subjective statistically the eye test, he was just a better
It's like the best game he's ever played. We'll talk
about that for the rest of our lives. Especially if

(06:24):
like Jalen never wins a Super Bowl, you'd be like, hey,
remember that one time he went toe to toe with
Mahomes and actually played better than him, and his team
lost because of a passing reference call three years ago.
Joe Burrow. Now, I don't know if Joe Burrow's remembered
as much for the Super Bowl, but he was definitely
remembered for I don't know, the time he beat Patrick

(06:44):
Mahomes in Arrowhead. So even if you lose the Super Bowl.
As a quarterback, it's a pretty big deal making the game,
and as a coach, like you can get an extension
just off losing that game. Right you get there, you're
one of the last two teams standing. Remember when Zach

(07:05):
Taylor was the head coach for the Bengals in the
Super Bowl. Nick Sirianni's got to be one of the
most polarizing coaches I ever remember in football, and especially
with a guy with his record and his playoff record.
Nick Sirianni went to two Super Bowls in three years.
That'd be pretty nuts. So I think when we look

(07:28):
at these four teams, like even when we'll get to
Washington playing with house money, whatever, like you're still here
and this is an opportunity to make it to the
Super Bowl. And Dan Campbell said this last year when
they lost the forty nine ers, there's no guarantee we'll
ever be back in this game. Look at what happened
to him a year later, number one overall seed. All

(07:50):
they had to do was win one game and they
would have hosted the game to attend the Super Bowl,
they would have NFC championship would have gone through Detroit,
and they couldn't do it, and now they got new coaches,
they're still going to be good, but there's no guaranteed
that they'll ever be back in the NFC Championship game.
It's the way sports work, you know. The only thing
that we know right now that is pretty much guaranteed

(08:11):
is the Patrick Mahomes. If he's a starting quarterback, he
will be in the AFC Championship Game. But it'll take
Tom Brady or Joe Burrow, maybe Josh Allen to put
up fence for the entrance of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Moving on, So, I think number one in terms of
pressure rankings. I don't really even think it's close, And

(08:32):
unlike some of these other teams, I don't think it's
an individual player. It's the Eagles. And when you look
at Philly, it's not Jalen Hurts, it's not Nick Sirianni,
it's not Howie Roseman, it's not some of their other
star players. The burden of the pressure falls on their backs.

(08:54):
It's really just the organization losing this game. If you're
Philadelphia against a team that you haven't taken seriously in
I don't know twenty plus years who Stucky and I
talked about this. I think there are probably less than
two players who would start for the Eagles not named

(09:14):
Jayden Daniels on the Commanders. This has to be one
of the worst rosters to make it to a conference
championship game of the Internet era. I mean, it is
remarkable what Jayden Daniels, Dan Quinn and the organization has accomplished.
But we all agree the Eagles have, if not the
best roster, top two or three roster in the NFL.

(09:37):
Hosting the game against a team as almost a touchdown favorite,
you just got to win the game. They're just anything
less than a win. No one's judging you on stats,
on how Jalen plays, on how many yards you throw
for how many sacks you have. No one gives a shit.
You could win this game two to nothing, or you
could win it thirty to three. But you gotta win

(10:00):
the game. And I think the crazy part about this
matchup is for being a massive favorite in this game,
I would imagine a lot of people in Philadelphia are
a little nervous. Now, it's sports, anything can happen, but
this is a game on paper that like, if we
just corral Jaden a little bit, they should have no

(10:23):
chance against US because unlike Detroit, whose defense was Swiss cheese,
we have a five million dollar defensive coordinator. We have
a defensive lineman who looks like Chris Jones at twenty
two or twenty three years old in Jalen Carter. We
have several other guys on the front that are coming on.
Zach Bond's an all pro, Mitchell's gonna play. He's one
of the best rookie corners we've seen in recent memory.

(10:45):
You have a fantastic nickel corner in Degene. You have
an experienced other corner Enslaves actually been pretty solid. CJ.
Gardner Johnson has brought you that physical element that you
missed last year, just kind of an edge to the team.
And like there's just no excuse now. The one question
mark if you are in a tight game your kicker.
No how could anyone trust a kicker? But I think

(11:07):
all the pressure in this game, one hundred percent of
it falls on the Philadelphia Eagles as an organization, the players,
the coaches, the front office, the owner, like this is
their game to win. I think we all agree with that.
You know that there's no like house money. This thing's
gonna be easy. But you just got to win this game.

(11:29):
I think when you look at number two most pressure,
I think when you look at the Buffalo Bills, like
how many opportunities you're going to get? Right? Some of
these teams like thre Evens have played Patrick Mahomes and
the Chiefs one time in the Lamar Jackson era. They've
lost some other weird games to the Tennessee Titans this
year to the Buffalo Bills. It's not like Patrick Mahomes

(11:50):
is knocking them out every year. And when you look
at the Buffalo Bills, Sean McDermott just has a team
that every year when the season starts. This year was weird,
right everyone at the beginning of the season, not myself.
Now I got something wrong, but this one I never understood.
I was like, what about the Jets, what about Robert
Sala and Aaron Rogers. It's like, yeah, all these guys

(12:14):
are going to be fired and this team's gonna win
four or five games and be a laughing sock by Thanksgiving,
a Thanksgiving, Halloween, and Sean McDermott just continues to win,
continues to win, and he literally just won I would
say the biggest game of his head. Coaching career against
the Baltimore Ravens, and now he gets the Chiefs. Granted
it's on the road, a team he's lost to three

(12:35):
straight times in the playoffs. They skipped a year, but
twenty twenty, twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, I
guess twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, and then twenty twenty three.
They didn't play in twenty two. But he doesn't get
discussed like a lot of these other coaches. Now, granted
he doesn't have a Super Bowl. So when you bring
up Tomlin or Harball or you know, if you go

(12:58):
some of the younger crew, the mcveigh's, but even like
if you just said who's a better coach, Sean McDermott
or Mike Vrabel to the just casual football fan, I
think everyone was just say Mike Vrabel. It's like based
on what.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Now?

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I think the pushback always, well, he's got Josh Allen. Yeah,
I mean he's i'd say, done a pretty good job
building the team, coaching the team, and helping out Josh
Allen along the way. But he gets no credit. You
win this game, Like talk about Sean McDermott just took
the Buffalo Bills for the first time and basically thirty
plus years to the Super Bowl, took out in two

(13:34):
straight weeks. Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
That's the other thing.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Defense. That's Sean mcdermot's baby, like, he's a defensive guy.
He also got his career start working for Andy Reid.
Once upon a time, Andy Reid wasn't totally his fault.
Joe Banner fired Sean McDermott, who then went on to
go with Ron to the Panthers and several years later
he's helped them get to the Super Bowl. Sean McDermott

(13:59):
has done a foot phenomenal job in Buffalo, But like,
you don't win this game, I think we would just
come to grips with You're just never beating Patrick Mahomes
and Andy Reid. It's never gonna happen no matter how
great your team is. And if it wasn't for those two,
you might have multiple super Bowls. But you're just never
beating this team. You lose this game, you're just like

(14:19):
never getting a super Bowl. That's honestly what it would
feel like. It's just not happening for Sean McDermott against
these guys. The only way that they get to Super
Bowl is somehow they avoid them. They would need them
to lose. But I do think there's some tangible pressure
because like this is a great opportunity, Like you're a
one and a half point underdog at Kansas City for
a reason. Honestly, that's a pretty big compliment of what

(14:42):
they think of your team. In your team unlike all
these other teams plays the Chiefs really really well. Should
have beat them three years ago in that thirteen second game.
And the other thing is Sean McDermott and some of
their bad losses, not just in the regular season, but
that one most famously is like he gets blamed with that,
like how can that happen? And rightfully so, like that

(15:03):
is a coaching situation. You have lost some of these
games while your quarterback has played awesome. So I think
there is a lot of pressure on Sean McDermott. There's
pressure as well on Josh Allen. But to me on
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Speaker 1 (17:00):
I think number three it's hard to say the Chiefs
have no pressure because anytime you have a chance to
become legendary, and that's what they have a chance to do,
Like they have a chance to join such a short list. Obviously,
no one's ever won three straight Super Bowls, but they
just would put themselves in this situation where they're just

(17:20):
be compared to as like the greatest team of all time,
the Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey, Andy Reid kind of trio.
It's like Bill Watsh, Joe Montana and that crew, Ronnie Lott,
Jerry Rice, Bill Belichick, Tom Brady and his crew, Michael
Jordan and Phil Jackson. Like they're just easily one of

(17:41):
the greatest teams of all time. If they just win
this game, I mean, they've already got the three Super Bowls,
but if they just go back to another one, it's
like they're just gonna go to the Super Bowl every year.
And I understand people that don't like the Chiefs are
getting tired of them, but it's incredible for business. It
really is. Because everyone has an opinion on the Chiefs.

(18:01):
People hate Travis Kelsy because of Taylor Swift. People like
Travis Kelsey because of Taylor Swift. People think Patrick Mahomes annoying.
People think the Chiefs are annoying, they get too many calls.
They're just too good people just like greatness you could meet.
I could just walk down the street, not literally my
street because no one would be outside, but if you
just went to a street where people were walking down
the on the sidewalk and just run into the first

(18:23):
five people and just say what do you think of
the KANSASAE Chiefs, I think you would get five different answers.
Some would be mad, some would be negative, and some
would be pretty positive. So not being in Kansas City
where it would be universally positive. But there's no guarantee,
like you just never know year to year. And I mean,

(18:43):
there is a chance that Travis Kelce retires after this season.
He already has three championships, he's made a ton of money,
he's dating a woman who's probably worth a billion dollars.
He wants to get in more and more to acting,
And I just think you've got to take advantage when
you have these opportunities, because you never know when they're
gonna come back. And they're one hundred and twenty minutes away, right,

(19:09):
they are one hundred and twenty minutes away from winning
three straight Super Bowls. I hate saying never, but I
just don't think that's ever happening. It's literally never happened before.
Why would we think it would ever happen again, especially
with the structure of the salary cap. You know, the
the injury risk of just the elongated season. Now, you know,

(19:33):
Roger Goodell's beating the drum of We're gonna go to
eighteen games in a regular season two preseason games. So
it's just gonna get to me more and more difficult
to do this in the NFL. Now, you could also
have the counter that, you know, the quarterback play. A
lot of these younger quarterbacks that have come into the league,
you know, it's been very hit or miss. Given the

(19:53):
hype honestly a lot more miss than hit that as
long as you've got Patrick Mahomes, Like, it's not going
to be shocking that every single year, it's gonna be
josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes. If the Bengals just
get their head out of their ass, they should be there.
And it's just like everyone's you know, basically in the
AFC has no chance but those four teams. And maybe
that's true, but I like watching people trying to become

(20:15):
legends and this that's why I'm just really really like
everybody fired up for this game. And then the Commanders,
I honestly think they have no pressure. They have absolutely none,
and I think if they are in the game, then yeah,
you know, the house money disappears. If you have a
ten to seven lead in the third quarter, right, you

(20:37):
have the chance to go to the super Bowl. But
before kickoff, if you tell me they get beat thirty
five to thirteen. I think it's been one of the
most remarkable things we've ever seen that the Washington Commanders
went from having the number two overall pick, they added
a couple veteran players here and there, and they just

(20:58):
added a new coach, a new owner, a new GM
and a new quarterback and just are in the NFC
Championship Game a franchise that has been beyond pitiful. Beside
the one RG three season, no one has ever taken
these teams seriously, any of their decent teams seriously, And

(21:19):
now they're in the NFC Championship Game. But they're a
six point favorite simply because of Jaden. You could argue
that number should be a little bit bigger, like I
think that number should be over a touchdown. But like
I said, I expect them to lose this game. And
I'm not a Washington hater. I think it'd be cool

(21:40):
if they were to win. But if they lose, who cares.
I said this about Denver and I said this about
the Chargers and they lost in the first round. Both
of them got their as kicked. That'll be the worst
version of the team that they have moving forward, they
will only be better. The same can be said about

(22:02):
the Commanders. The difference is they just went on the
road and won two playoff games. They just knocked out
the Detroit Lions, who won fifteen games, and honestly kind
of kicked their ass. They've won fourteen games, four toeen
games this season. Think how many seasons when the Commanders

(22:24):
were really struggling, they'd have multiple years where their win
total didn't that up to fourteen. I bet there's a
stretch over the last twenty years where they had a
three year stretch that barely got to fourteen or just
a little bit over. So you're looking at a franchise
that isn't just on the come. I think now with
Jayden Daniels, they will become one of the more marketable

(22:47):
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(23:29):
let's face it, isn't exactly loaded with talent. Sixty minutes
away from the Super Bowl. This is not a team.
It's like, well, they have an incredible kicker, punter, top
five defense. He just has to manage the game. No,
he literally has to dominate. And their coaches are able

(23:50):
to go forward on every fourth down, not because they're
just some crazy gun slingers, not because they're Dan Campbell
and they have the best offensive lines on the best
personnel in recent.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Because they got Jayden Daniels and at any moment, the
guy can make a play with his legs, can dominate
from within the pocket, can throw on the run, and
they can legitimately just run and because like listen, he's
a little reckless, but he will just dive forward.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
He's not mister slide. He ain't coming up short. It's remarkable.
I mean, it's as just a fan of football, as
someone who loves watching great players. It's one of the
coolest things in recent memory. And speaking of Louisiana, like,
you can't tell me that he is not more equipped

(24:36):
to play right now in the NFL because of the
experience that he had at LSU over the two years
prim Edwards had him forever. Everyone's like, this guy can't play.
Then he goes to LSU. He starts practicing and playing
against the best players in the country, and by his
second year he's playing with two All Star wide receivers,
wins the Heisman, and goes number two in the draft.

(24:58):
And honestly, I think, listen, I'm not writing off Caleb's career,
but is calebs from locked to ever be in the
NFC Championship game? Is Drake Mason lock to ever win
playoff games? Right? I mean? What this guy's already accomplished
in year one. And obviously the story, if you haven't
seen it, is he gets up every morning, I think

(25:21):
Tuesday of every game week at six am, as they've
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he watches cut ups in film of the with VR
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into the week, and he credits a lot of his calmness,

(25:42):
his stability from within the pocket and just we see
a guy that looks like a ten year veteran because
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(26:03):
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I mean, he would have like a Patrick Mahomes marketing
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(26:27):
a very very marketable offseason. So listen, that's Jayden Daniels, who,
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I don't really know what else to say about the

(26:48):
Cowboys and Brian Schottenheimer just seems insane to me, It
really does. But I think at this point in time,
if that's who they end up hiring, Jerry Jones really
would have become the twenty twenty five version of Al
Davis twenty years ago. That's what it will exactly feel like,

(27:09):
and it'll feel like a guy lost at see that
doesn't know what he's doing, has lost his fastball. That
just is in a really bad place. And I think
if Brian Schottenneimer is the guy that's hired, I think
Cowboy fans everyone. I think as a fan, you want
to be hopeful, you want to be optimistic, but I
think they would just fully turn on them. And you know,

(27:30):
I saw a headline today that Jerry who's clearly just
running the search solo. And any person listening to this
that works for a small business, works for a company
or a business where one human runs it, if that
human is older, I think we've all been in situations
that have seen those type people. And listen, I grew

(27:51):
up a lot of my friends like grandparents or small
business owners. You can just get stubborn as you get older.
And whether you have a company that makes a million
dollars a year in revenue, or you have a company
that makes billions in revenue like the Cowboys, your mindset
one is you just age, You just slip a little bit.
You know, most people are not Warren Buffett in their

(28:12):
mid nineties being able to hold a conversation. And I
think it is fair to say that Jerry, and you
saw some of the comments this year, it's like he's
not quite as sharp and witty as he once was.
And I would say, in his heyday, like Jerry was
about as sharp and witty as anyone in the NFL.
And now it feels like, I don't know, man, And
I would imagine, and they'll never say this because it's

(28:34):
their dad and obviously the life he's provided them. But
I can't even imagine, like what Stephen Jones is telling
his right hand man, or his wife or his probably
not his son because he might smell the beans to Grandpa.
But just like, this is fucking insane. What is dad doing?
But when Dad's got all the juice and Dad ultimately
is the boss, he can do whatever he wants. And

(28:57):
the thing with Al Davis in the mid to late
two thousands, he had to answer to nobody. Now the
thing is Al Davis never answered to anybody, just like
Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones answers to nobody. Well, it's fine
when you're sharp and you know what you're doing, and
you are you're in that position because you've put yourself
into that position, like you've earned that, you created that.

(29:19):
Once you start losing it, I think it can get really,
really ugly. And if I was a Cowboy fan right now,
I'd be pretty nervous. The other story I saw is
that Tony BISSELLI, you know what's crazy is like, you
can be a really, really successful businessman, and clearly you
would have to be I mean, you have to be
a billionaire to have any thought of buying an NFL team,

(29:42):
and the cons clearly Shod con is a successful human being.
He is a fantastic If you ever had the chance
to talk to Shod Cohn and you work in the
private sector, you would have to be on crack cocaine
to not pick his brains and get out your notepad
and take notes when he talked about business. But when
it comes to running a football team, and I don't

(30:04):
know if it's out of sight out of mind. He's
not in the office every day. He has no clue
what he's doing. And that's the crazy part about professional sports.
You can be the most dominant human in your field,
print cash be worth billions upon billions upon billions of dollars,
and then you buy some professional organization basketball, baseball, or

(30:24):
football and just be a complete fish out of water.
But it's not like you're going to relent or give
up any of your power of going I don't know
what I'm doing, because the reason you own that team
is because of you. So usually they almost double down
on like I'll figure it out, I'll figure it out,
and the answer is like, I don't think you will

(30:45):
figure it out here. I think it would just show
that these guys are lost at sea, and to hire
Tony Boselli because he needs some help doing this. When
I was living in the Bay Area, one time I
walked into the Starbucks and I remember waiting for my
coffee and looking probably five feet away of just this
massive human being, and then I realized that's Tony Boselli.

(31:07):
And I think at the time this was probably three
or four years ago. He was doing stuff with the
PAC twelve network, not like on television, but helping out
the conference. And clearly he's a smart, high level guy.
But I think anytime you make these type hires just
feels like you're lost. And that's what Ers did a
couple of years ago with Jeff Saturday. Like Jeff Saturday
is an impressive individual, but if you hire him to

(31:30):
be your coach in the middle of the season, there
is no bigger red flag of I have no fucking
clue what's going on than that. In last but not
least the low ratings, it was like the least watched
one of the least watched championship games, like ever which
two of the biggest brands in all the college football
Notre Dame, Ohio State. You know, I watched it, So

(31:54):
I guess I had a different take when everyone was
complaining obviously Trump, it's inaugurated, it's a holiday, so people
are watching TV by the time that game comes on.
Maybe they're just, I don't know, just not into it.
Not a good game early on, and a lot of
people push back and say that the game should be

(32:17):
basically on New Year's like when the rose Ball is,
which I think would be a little complicated because you
would basically have to go to an NFL playoff situation
of or scenario where you just start the week after
Thanksgiving or two weeks and then just play every single
week if you're gonna go with a twelve or fourteen
team playoff moving forward. So I was like, what else

(32:38):
are going to watch? There's nothing on television on Monday night.
But clearly I was wrong because people didn't tune in.
Maybe there is some truth to Momentum is a powerful thing,
and college football had a lot of momentum and then
you disappear for a while. You know the way society
is now, and I'm guilty, You're guilty of this. We
just we bounce all over the place. It's it's very,

(33:01):
very hard. The most powerful thing anyone has in my
business is the ability to capture attention. It's it's very
tough to do, and if you can, it's a it's
very Uh, it's very lucrative. And college football had us
there for a couple of weeks and maybe they did
lose some momentum, so maybe they need to figure out
a way to move it up a little bit. But

(33:22):
you know, you can't play on Monday night after the
wild Card round because they play a Monday night football game.
So you're not gonna go up against Monday night football
of an NFL playoff game. If you put it before,
I guess you could have put it last week, like Thursday.
Do you want to play a Thursday night game? I
don't know, but this is definitely something that's going to

(33:44):
be discussed. Okay, uh, Fugazi Friday. I've I've had a
couple I actually thought of this. This one thing's been
kind of wearing on me. Is I'm gonna get married
here I don't know, five six weeks. And most of
my friends, especially you know, my friends from high school,

(34:06):
my friends from college, my friends that I worked with
in the NFL that were similar to my age, they're
all married, and most of them, I would say, got
married either in their late twenties or early thirties. And
for those of you listening that have got married, I
would say younger in life than me. A wedding registry
is very normal protocol. And Maria's brother, who I think

(34:30):
is twenty nine years old, who has a young baby
now on the way they got married last year, you
just you feel you wouldn't even hesitate if I was
twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty years old, to be like, hey,
buy me a bunch of presents, right, buy me a
bunch of shit. I'm forty years old. I am very,

(34:51):
very uncomfortable with people, especially her friends, if I don't
know them that well, or even like my aunts and
uncles or whoever in my life, buying me something. I
don't get gifts anymore for Christmas. Maybe I will one
day when my children get a little older, they get
me something stupid. Just the more of the thought that count.
But I don't want I've been working now for twenty

(35:13):
plus years. Luckily, life's going pretty well, pretty successful. I
just am very uncomfortable with the thought. And we've been
getting a lot of like and listen, Maria set it up.
It's not like I took part in it, but I
every time a gift comes, I'm just like ugh, ugh.
And maybe that's an insecurity me. Maybe it's just completely

(35:34):
normal protocol. What is the age where you get to
a point if you're gonna get married, Like if you
know someone who's getting married for the second time fifty
years old, Let's say they're having like a decent sized wedding,
do they have a way, especially if the guy's like
doing well, It's again, this guy owns a company. They're
doing like seventy five million in revenue a year. It's like,
does he do a wedding registry? Like, you know, I

(35:55):
want this a coffeemaker, I want this. I even did this,
we even did this thing. Is like, yeah, it's just
do a fund for our backyard. It's like it sounded
okay in theory when I said it out loud because
I got to redo my backyard. I got to redo
the pool retile. It SPA doesn't really work new equipment,
it's pricey. Put a new turf on the side. We

(36:16):
don't do grass here in Arizona. Did a fun it
was like right after I did, it feels like a GoFundMe.
I'm like, I don't know, I just I'm just very,
very uncomfortable. When is the cutoff where it's okay to
ask for things when you're getting married. The more and
more I think about it, it's I think, as a guy,

(36:36):
once you get past forty, is it a red flag? Am?
I am? I a major red flag right now. The
other thing is someone hit me up with this that
they thought, you know, any of those congressional hearings right
whenever there's like a Supreme Court justice or right now,

(36:57):
Trump all the all the guys he's nominating for different
pause in the government, and they go through that hearing
where it's just like loaded with senators and whoever the
person is. If it's a Democrat, than all the Republicans,
if it's a Republican, than all the Democrats, and they
are just waiting for their five minutes to go viral,
and he basically said, like this is the biggest who

(37:18):
in their right mind takes any of this seriously. And
I was thinking about it, like it's impossible now in
social media to not see some clips from whatever those
goes down. But sometimes those things take place for days
on end, whether it's one individual people, whether it's countless people.
And it happens a lot too, like when they're coming
after a business you know, remember what Facebook got in

(37:42):
trouble years ago, and Suckerberg's up there and they're just
coming a couple of years ago. It happens in a
lot of different walks of life. I was thinking about that.
I've never ever thought about clicking to watch one of those,
besides just the clips that I can't avoid on social media.
I'd rather like eat a shit sandwich than watch that

(38:05):
for days on end. I think there's nothing worse. I
think it's one of the biggest clown shows. Most of
these lifetime politicians who've, let's face it, most of them
haven't really never generated a penny of revenue in the
real world like you and I have. And they're getting
up there like they know everything and they are just screaming.

(38:26):
It's like, this is so stupid. How have we come
to this? And maybe listen, I'm no historian here, but
it feels it's been over the top for a long
long time. It feels like it gets worse by the year.
And I don't know if we're ever going back. But
like I said, I might be one of the biggest

(38:47):
food guys. He's ever a forty year old doing a
wedding registry. Okay, really hit me on Monday night when
I was watching Notre Dame get run off the field

(39:09):
and then come storming back that guy. We don't have
many more snaps of football here and I do not
count spring football. So we got three games left. Luckily
they're are what many would consider the three best games.
And I bring my man Stucky from the Action Network.
Who you know. I saw some of your tweets mid

(39:32):
game against the Ravens. That was rough, obviously you but
the one that stands out in my head was the
turnover luck that the old fighting Ryan Fitzpatrick's and Buffalo
have right now, and do you think that might eventually
come to an end? That was I thought that it
was different than the Chiefs game in the ANFC Championship game,

(39:55):
but somewhat similar of like, guys, are we overthinking this
handed to twenty two and just run Lamar every play?
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah? That was It was a disappointing loss. I mean,
statistically they were the better team, but you can't go
look at all four games last week. I mean the
Texans on a down the down basis were arguably the
better team. The Chiefs at one point it was like
three hundred to one hundred yards and what did they
do they? I mean they got sacked eight times, but

(40:29):
special teams, blunders, lions, I mean, their offense moved up
and down the field. What do they do? Turned it
over a million times? And then you look at the
Ravens and what did them? And the Rams too, But
the the Ravens, it was mistakes that Lamar just doesn't

(40:50):
make in the regular season.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I think he's he's turned it over two or more
times and fifty percent of his playoff games, I think
he's done that in the regular season only ten percent
of the time.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Fumbles a little freaky right in the weather. To me,
the pick was he hadn't done that all year. Just
I mean, that was like a James Winston.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
It just yeah, it's just an arm punt. But even
if the fumble, you just can't do that at this
point in your career. I mean, he wasn't touched it.
I know it was fluky, and then your veteran tight
end Mark Andrews was It was a shame to see.
But I mean, obviously you have the two point conversion drop,
you have the fumble that was devastating fumble. But a

(41:30):
play that many aren't even talking about is before the
Lamar fumble, which Lamar uh, Mark ag just dropped a
wide open pass. So you know that the next play
might have been different. Everything is, the whole game could
have been different.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
So the worst is that the worst game you've ever
seen him play? Yeah, I mean he's I mean, I
mean he's a really good player obviously, you know, never.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Like his career, never fumbles. I think he only had
like two drops on the.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Season, eleven touchdowns this season.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah, and so it was a shame to see. But
they made mistakes and the Bills didn't. I did think
that the Bills, And look, the Bills have been very
fortunate and I think they're plus twenty four plus twenty
seven if you count the playoffs in turnover margin this year,

(42:26):
and that's a tough thing to rely on against Patrick
Mahomes and the Chiefs in Arrowhead. This late in the season,
I think Mahomes has won twenty straight games at home
and cold temperatures in November or later, So they've definitely
been fortunate in the turnover department. Like Josh Allen's at
a terrific year, but he's gone away with some throws
and then their defense has just come up with timely turnovers,

(42:48):
some lucky, some not over and over again. Zach come
to an end this week. I did think that the
Bills turtled up and they were kind of just trying
to run out the clock in the end, like some
of the play calls late, like they like, you still
have Josh Allen still be aggressive?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, Like the quick screen, it was like what are
we doing? Like it let him just throw a slant
route for five yards instead of hoping you can break
ten yards behind the last spring.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Which so I thought that they got a little too conservative.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Why bring that up? Is they well, that's the coach.
That's the coach telling Joe Brady because they hadn't run
those plays throughout the game.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, but why I bring that up is you can't
do that this week. If you're gonna beat the Chiefs,
you have at in arrowhead in the playoffs, you have
to kill them late. Because if it's say the Bills
are up four with two point thirty to go and

(43:49):
the Chiefs have the ball, I mean, what's gonna happen.
The Bills can't defend over the middle of the field
and you're gonna give Homes four downs to just pick
them apart and go up and down, up, up and
down the field probably score a game when a touchdown,
you have to kill them. How do the Bills beat
the Chiefs in the first game when they met earlier
this season, is they instead of kicking a field goal,

(44:12):
they went for it on fourth down and Alan ran
it in to go up nine. Like that's like, that's
what they're gonna need to do. They're gonna have to
stay aggressive and you're gonna have to kill shot the
Chiefs because you can't give them the ball. You can't
give them Homes the ball late at home in the
playoffs because this this Bill's defense has real issues, especially
defending over the middle of the field, which is what

(44:34):
the Chiefs are gonna do to attack you. They're probably
gonna go pass heavy, and they're just gonna relentlessly attack
their linebackers and their safeties. And not to mention that
the Bills also have some potential injuries in their secondary
as well, So the Bills are gonna have to stay
aggressive and they're just gonna need a monster game from

(44:55):
Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
You know, it's weird that, like h I remember telling
you it was like you can get basically the Ravens Bills.
This was to start the playoffs six to one to
win the Super Bowl, and you're basically you bet on
them both. You don't know which one's gonna win, and
knowing that they're gonna play the Chiefs in the next round.
I saw, I just look before we hopped on the Bills.

(45:19):
Are you know a little over two to one to
win those Super Bowl? Obviously you know whoever won that
game is gonna drop dramatically. But like the Ravens, pretty
big kick in the nuts the last two years, losing
the Chiefs game and the Bills game. But like they're
such a well run organization. They're going nowhere. They've just
their team. You know top to bottom is better than

(45:39):
the Bills fully healthy. Right, you could argue it's the
best team in the AFC if you remove the three quarterbacks,
they have the best roster and John already has the
Super Bowl. Like, there is this Sean McDermott. Obviously there's
this Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, but there's a Sean McDermott
Andy Reid thing Like John Harbaugh was Andy Reid's guy,
but he won a super Bowl like seven years before

(46:00):
and he ever won one. Right, there's a Sean McDermott thing,
like it's always kind of the elephant in the room,
Like is he always kind of fighting for his job?
Is he just a made man? It doesn't feel like
he gets treated like Hardball or Tomlin with the conversation
despite his success, And now he's got his quarterback this
year has played better than Andy's quarterback and he just

(46:21):
probably gets the biggest win of his career. Is that
fair to say against the Ravens? And now the momentum
coming in I think more than the Ravens, like they
can show up because they have beat this team so
many times in the regular season and they've played him
well in the postseason, Like I do think they'll show
up believing they can win the game. Now how much
does that mean? I don't know, but there is something

(46:41):
to be said when you're playing fucking Michael Jordan or
Tom Brady or you show up last group next to
Tiger Woods in two thousand and two in the Red,
like ninety nine percent of people don't believe, Like how
the Lions of a Most teams in the NFL would
not believe they can beat the Chiefs. This is the
one team. Are they good enough or not? Like I'm

(47:01):
tempted to let's just talk about that game. Tempted to
take the Bills based on odds, Like what are the
odds this team, like they haven't really had I mean
that Bengal game. But it was like was Mahomes concussed
or something? Because that's like the weirdest half they've ever played,
you know, against the Packs in his first year, Like
they just legitimately got beat. It was a crazy tough game.

(47:22):
Pats played in a million of those. The Bengal game
does not look like any of their other games that
second half, right, So it's like I'm assuming the Chiefs
are gonna play well, right as they always do no
different than the last week against or last year against
the Ravens, where it's not like they won thirty to ten.
I mean they won seventeen to ten, right and they
did to score a point in the second half. So

(47:42):
it's just like, Okay, are the Bills buttoned up enough?
Is their coach loose enough? I think their team will believe.
I think the key and this is what the Chiefs
often do, and they did it against Houston. Right away,
they're up thirteen to three. It's like they're not even
playing that well they did to you guys last year.
They're up seven nothing right away. It's like, holy shit,
they're here to play. It's like if that happened, a
seven to nothing that takes the win day, you almost

(48:04):
have to I've taken the Bills again based on you'd
be crazy to take the Bills based on recent history.
It's just the odds. I saw a highlight of the
Peyton Manning come back the Pats. It's gonna happen. Sooner
or later. Someone's gonna beat him. And it's just gotta
be the team that has to come into this game
believing they can and eventually a couple things are gonna
go wrong for the Chiefs, right, you'd think, because if

(48:27):
they win this game, is there a soul in the
world that believes they're not gonna win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Probably not. No, I'm not sure an Eagles are a
Commanders fan.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, I like the Commander story. I think they would
have zero chance to be Kansas City agreed.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah, I make it a coin like a basically like
a coin flip game. So I don't think I'll beat
betting on the side. I mean, just Mahomes is an
underdog or favored under a field goal in the playoffs
seven to night, straight up, seven ergain to spread. Everyone
knows all the numbers.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Weather's irrelevant, right because all the same with the Ravens
are all used to playing in the cold. It's just normal.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
That doesn't matter. But I mean that you can't ignore
the fact that the Chiefs have been underwhelming all season
and then everyone just says that will they turn it
on in the playoffs. They didn't really turn it on
last week. That was ugly. I mean, this is the
Texans offense that looked horendous all year long, and outside
of the sacks, they were moving the ball with who

(49:29):
I mean, they were down their top two receivers, also
down two starting defensive backs, and they played pretty well.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
And the Texans are just a bad matchup because they
had some moments in the regular season game. They played
well in that game. They're just a good match well.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
They have like they have guys who can wreck the
game off the edge. Do the Bills have that? Not necessarily,
And because the biggest weakness on this Chiefs team is
their offensive line. And they've kicked Tuning out to left tackle.
That's hurt their run game. By the way. When he
was at left go and then you just have a
big guy at tackle, no matter who it was, they

(50:04):
could run the ball much more effectively. Now with Tuney
out they left tackle, you have a backup garden there.
Their run game has kind of taken a hit. And
it's not like Tuney is a laite elite. They still
need to help him at some But the Texans have
elite corners who basically took out Brown and Hopkins had
no catches, and they have elite edge rushers who did

(50:30):
a lot in that game.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Deandrew Hopkins played in that game. I didn't even fucking
see him.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
It didn't even hear his name once. Yeah, him and
Brown and zero catches. The Texans really missed Petrian Ward
in that game because the Chiefs just went over the
middle of the field and they went the worthy and
you know, missing your starting slot and starting safety in
the end really hurt the Texans in addition to their
wide receiver injuries and the special team's mistakes. But yeah,

(50:54):
I mean, to me, this game is probably just gonna
be back and forth until the end. I'll look to
bet it live. I actually don't mind the over I'm
still contemplating if I'm gonna play it, because I do
think that the Chiefs defense is ultimately overrated this year.

(51:15):
I know they got Jalen Watson back in the secondary,
but their strength when their defense is really good is
when Spags dials up pressure, they can get sacks. You know,
Carl Loftus has been great this year. Everyone knows about
Chris Jones, but you have the Bills have a really
good offensive line, and Josh Allen is as good as
any quarterback in the NFL invading sacks and you know

(51:36):
he can use his legs here because if you go
back this Chiefs team all year, I mean the Ravens
in Week one put a four and fifty yards on them.
Since then they they didn't they didn't play a single
like healthy offense. I mean, you could go. The next
week was Bengals without Higgins, the Falcons lose two starting
offensive linemen. The Bucks don't have Godwin and Evans. I mean,

(51:58):
I could go on and on, even you know the
tech since lose Dell. The Texans don't have Dell and
Diggs last week, I could go on and on. All
season long, they have benefited from facing offenses that were shorthanded,
especially on the offensive line, and then because of that,
Spags is able to just dial up pressure and their

(52:18):
run defense is better. But we even saw the Texans
have success running the ball last week, which they have
been able to do for most of the year. So
I think Buffalo will be able to move the ball
with Josh Allen will use his legs here.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
He had a big game running remember last year in
the in the second round against them. I think he
ran for like seventy five yards.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
He's had in the last five meetings with the Chiefs,
He's had eleven or more carries, which is pretty wild.
I think he's gone eleven twelve, twelve, twelve, and eleven.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
You can get two touchdowns rushing basically for plus five fifty.
He's definitely getting one with his legs.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
And if it's you know, at the goal yardage, yeah, yeah,
they're they're going to use him as a battering ram.
So I do think She's defense, even this late in
the season, is a bit overrated, and the Bills will
be able to move the ball on him, assuming that
they come in with an aggressive game plan, which they

(53:12):
need to have here. And then I think the Bills
defense is overrated as well, just from a pure talent
perspective and their top corners and concussion protocol. We'll see
with Benford, but their safeties are bad. Milano had a
good game last week, but their linebackers are okay, but
Milana's kind of a little past his prime. And their
defensive line is good, but it's undersize, like this isn't

(53:34):
an elite defense. They've just benefited from a lot of turnovers.
They're so weak over the middle of the field. That's
something Kansas City can really take advantage of. Maybe there
was some rust with the Kansas City offense last week.
I don't think the Bills can completely wreck their tackles,
so I think both teams can move the ball, and
then you know, if this is in like the fourth
quarter with Alan Mahomes going back and forth, you could

(53:55):
get a couple touchdowns late. So I might look at
the over. I just need the Bills to come out
and be aggressive here, which I keep going back and
forth on how they're going to approach this. But I
don't mind the over. I make a coin flip. If
you're looking for some props, I mean, see, yes, Kelsey

(54:17):
goes over every week. I think we talked of this
last week. It's just free money. He's had fourteen straight
playoff games with at least five catches and seventy yards,
which is they're both NFL records, but his numbers are
inflated if you just do the math. But I'm never
going to go under on a Kelsey especial against a
team that can't defend the middle of the field. I
don't mind looking at Noah Gray. It's kind of like

(54:39):
an indirect fade of Kelsey. Because Kelsey's numbers are so inflated.
I think there's some value no gre like over thirteen
and a half receiving yards over one and a half
catches again, just like likely last week. You and I
trust the Chiefs to do this even more than ratings.
You want to attack the middle of the field, and
I know everyone knows to prepare for Kelsey and it
still doesn't matter, but the Bills have to be all

(55:02):
in on stopping Kelsey here. So I think that's going
to open up some opportunities for Gray down the field.
Just all the attention on Kelsey, especially when Mahomes five's
time scrambling. If you look back earlier this season when
they played, Kelsey only had two catches on four targets
and Gray had two touchdowns and four catches. So in

(55:23):
his last five five postseason games that are eleven catches,
fourteen targets, seventy nine yards, He's averaged a little over
two catches about sixteen yards per game. He's cleared one
and a half catches and this yardage mark and four
of his last five postseason games. So I think that
I like no gre I think he can sneakily have

(55:44):
you know, just a couple of big plays down the field,
and then under the radar one Xavier Worthy over rushing yards.
You can find this number anywhere from two and a
half to three and a half, which is fine. Last
week it was four and a half to five, but
he had one rush the Texans snuffed it out and
he was for negative eight yards, which is why this
number is a little cheaper. But this season, you know,

(56:06):
he ran it in sixteen games in the regular season
removed week eighteen, he ran it twenty times for one
hundred and four yards, so you averaged a little over
five yards per rush. Had one rush for seven yards
against Buffalo. So I pretty if he gets one carry
your favorite to win this back. And I'm pretty confident
that he's going to get a carry. If you go

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on Reed's history in playoff games over the last since
twenty eighteen AFC Championshi game and they played the Patriots
and lost that game, they've had a pass catcher run
the ball in nineteen straight playoff games, and I mean
it's so nineteen of those they've had. If you look

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at the numbers, those pass catchers had thirty four rushing
attempts in the past twenty playoff games for two hundred
and forty one yard. So these pass catchers are averaging
like one point seven carries for twelve yards and nineteen
total pass catchers have ran for at least three yards
across those twenty games. And there's been times when Tyreek

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Hill you go back, has had three carries multiple times
in playoff games. And this is a Bill's defense that
does give up explosive runs. And what the Chiefs do
every year in the playoffs is they concentrate who they
want to get the ball to. Right during the regular season,
it's kind of like spread it all out, and then

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the postseason it's like, Okay, here's who we really want
to get the ball to, and you saw that last week.
It's Kelsey and it's Worthy. So I think they want
to get the ball and Worthy's hands as often as possible.
And if they're going to run it with a wide receiver,
which Reed does in almost every single playoff game, it's

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more I would say eighty percent to be Worthy, and
I think that there's a decent chance it gets two carries.
So I like Worthy over. Don't mind look at Worthy
anytime touchdown too. He can get one multiple ways. So
Worthy over rushing yards as well.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Well.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I got him my DraftKings. The over at four and
a half is minus one oh five.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
It's on the move. I'd still bet it, but smaller there.
But yeah, this opened at two and a half four.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Anytime touchdown is almost two to one plus.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
One like that. Like that.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
You know what's crazy about kel about Kelsey is what
yar mahomes begin starting two thoy eighteen eighteen.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
So they played in the two playoff games. They were
the one seed. That's when the Patriots beat him. He
had one touchdown in the playoffs from nineteen till last year,
four touchdowns, three touchdowns, three touchdowns, four touchdowns, three touchdowns.
Obviously this year he just scored touchdown last week. I mean,
he's a multi touchdown game. When I see Travis Kelsey
getting plus odds just to score a touchdown throughout the game,

(59:01):
you just know Patrick looks at his way, you know,
and he finds a way in zone, cheats goes left
when you think he's going right, like they don't have
Whenever I see, like, why can't anyone cover hims like guys,
they don't when you game plan against a team like
they run plays. He doesn't run a route. He runs wherever.
If you're gonna hang a left, he's gonna hang it right.

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And they know each they're playing like Karl Malone, John
Stockton pick and roll, so they're gonna go wherever you
don't go. It's not a set play. That's why he
can constantly get open and then like that biggest.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Look at his touchdown. His touchdown was on a sund
and then he.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Just yeah, yeah, he's not like he's not running like
Jerry Rice's precise routes here. I mean, he's a great
route runner, but he's not like you're doing the right thing.
Probably on defense, you're getting hammered at home when you
play him, he's gonna do the opposite. So what's crazy
to me about him is that big play that he
made against Sexans. He remember they had a game. It

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might have been like a Thursday night, Sunday night, or
Monday night. It was a primetime game against the Chargers
when him and Tyreek they came storming back and those
two guys, it was like one of the most dominant performances.
And he was so fast just a couple of years ago.
He's clearly not as fast anymore, but like his instincts
to get open and then even with the ball in

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his hands, I saw Belichick did this thing on like
that show that he does with o Jo Sinko and
Chris Long inside the NFL that he taught Gronk later
in his career, because Travis's an excellent job. Is like
once you catch the ball, slow down a little bit
and gather and look before just sprinting and a guy
could just take out your legs because you can make
a move and the guy will over correct. And he's great.

(01:00:41):
Like he's like a running back with the ball in
his hands, just his instincts and he.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Every year we see him turning onto the ploffs. He's
the one who benefits the most from the rest. The
rest at the end of the season and they add,
you know, like a month off and you saw him
look a little rejuvenated.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
They've been Have you seen the retirement rumors, which obviously
if they were to win the Super Bowl, he's Dayton
Taylor Swift. He wants to be an actor, is not crazy.
He's made a ton of money. He's gonna make a
ton of more. He's dating a billionaire. What else can
he accomplish if they win? What else can he accomplish?
Right now? But like I could see he has a couple.
They win the Super Bowl, he'd be just like Peece,
I'm out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I agree. I think it's like you're he's maybe favored
slightly to do it if they win it, and then
favored to come back if they don't. I mean, what else,
It's three p in the NFL. It's never been done before.
I mean, how you can't go out much more on top?
I mean, I guess I need four pat But yeah,

(01:01:44):
I'm curious to see the NFL playoffs. These high leverage
games they vote a lot of times will just come
down to turnovers or a flute play here or there,
but from it on a down to down basis, what
they really come down to is in some of these games,
if if coach comes out the major curve ball, especially
a coordinator on either side of the ball. We saw

(01:02:04):
the We saw that last week with Washington. I thought
they did a great job in deciding to go really
zone heavy. And their defense is not good, but they were,
you know, they were. They play a good amount of man,
and we're trending more towards man. At the end of
the regular season, GoF destroyed man coverage all year. They

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went more zone heavy that game, and while they didn't
stop Detroit from going up and down the field. It
led to turnovers on GoF making bad throws in to coverage,
forcing throws down the field where he didn't read the coverage.
I want to I'm curious to see how the Bills
play this because their McDermott is he's by nature, you know,

(01:02:48):
a lot of too high, prevent the explosive play, make
you work it down the field, and then it's worked
this year, the offense will eventually make a mistake or
we'll stop you in the red zone. Does how does
he play knowing he has struggles in the middle of
the field, Like, does they try to play more Robert?
Do they try to play more man and then force

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Mahomes to beat them and they don't blitz often? Do
they try to force Mahomes to beat them more with
his receivers on the outside and Hopkins and Brown and
trust the corners or But to your point, even if
they do that, like Momes is still going to buy time,
and if you dedicate like these extra resources to Kelsey,

(01:03:33):
he's still gonna find holes. So I don't know how
they play it, but I'm super curious to see the
mix of what they play From the schematic perspective, It's like,
do they just because the Chiefs are the kings of
out death by a thousand cuts all the way down
the field, which the Bills will allow you to do. So,

(01:03:55):
do they just hope that, hey, we're gonna eventually get
a sack or turnover or we're just going to stop
you in the red zon, or do they try to
play this more aggressive and say, look, we're gonna try
to take away Kelsey. We're going to play more aggressive,
and then if you want to beat us on the
outside with your receivers, we'll tip our hat if we
do so. Curious to see what Babbage and McDermott come

(01:04:17):
up with here. And then the same thing with Spagnola.
He could always have some curve balls. You know, he's
going to have some exotic pressures and blitzes so and
then Reid's gonna have a lot of good stuff cooked up.
So yeah, looking forward to the schematic matchup, but that
these curve balls. In a game like this, you coordinators
have something in their back pocket waiting to unleash it

(01:04:39):
because you know everything has been will be scouted from
the entire season. So that's one of the things that
I look forward to in these championship games and in
the Super Bowl as well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
I would imagine too that the bye week, knowing Andy
that they did kind of obviously you're kind of getting ready,
you know, guessing who your next opponent is. But I
bet they had a couple of quality control guys doing
some serious breakdowns on the Ravens and Bills, so that
when that game was going on, you know, after they
beat Houston, you know, Andy's prepping for both and obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Probably held some stuff back. They probably have a bunch
of stuff on offense, which is another reason why I
like the over is because you know, they get that kick,
they get that kick return, and then they get a
comfortable lead. You didn't really have to unleash the offense.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
And Texans aren't really an explosive offense to score a
bunch of points, so they were.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah, and you had a month and then you know,
now you have an extra day. So like from a
preparation and rest perspective, the the Chiefs, who also get
to stay at home, definitely have an advantage over the
Bills here. But you know that there's they installed, you
know a number of offensive looks at the Bills, having
seen that you'll you'll probably see in this game, which

(01:05:54):
is a scary proposition for the Bills. But another reason
why I kind of like the over, Like I just
think that the the Chiefs offense will look much better.
I think it was probably some russ too last week.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Well, I thought Mahomes. I think he asked him at halftime,
or maybe they asked him at the end of the
game about the rust. He just thought, He's like that
that front for them, He's like, that's a really good
defense and that front given their weak offensive line. You know,
if you just put Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in
their prime in that situation. I mean, how many plays
early on in that game did Patrick keep alive, not

(01:06:25):
even scrambling to run, but just kind of moving around
in the pocket. I mean he was under siege, you know,
and he can move. And that's you know what's like
why he's considered with the great quarterbacks. That's like one
of his superpowers is you know, those guys had to
get rid of the ball fast. That's not really you know,
Andy kind of wants to hold it and get an
explosive play, and so it was Patrick and he can
do it because he's got these I don't know, all

(01:06:46):
time great instincts to like no one to move because
he doesn't like some of these guys you're watching, Like
this guy just ran into a sack. He rarely does that,
but he keeps a lot of plays even at the
play like he throws it away or it's an incompletion.
It's like that is an underrated play by that motherfucker
in the pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Both both of these quarterbacks do that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, yeah, extremely well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I'm the one thing I don't like about this over
is I'm super curious. There's been all of this, all
of this talk all week and discourse about the refs
and the penalties on on ma homes. I hated them both.
I hate them all. I don't even blame the refs.
I blame the end. I BlimE the NFL, the rules,

(01:07:29):
the incessant amount of rules. But I've been in the
NFL for just not having an easy fix to this.
We have the eye in the sky, the replay assist
anything like fifteen yarders. Like you called a face mask
and it wasn't you missed a clear face mask. Oh
you called roughing the passer, which you're their instructed to do.
But it definitely wasn't They can change games just anyone

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at home. Takes two seconds, just have a ref radio
down if it's obvious, and then we're corrected. I think
they're gonna do that in the offseason, by the way,
but these are two quarterbacks who are known to flop.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Like you said, it should take under five seconds. Didn't
touch his face mask, pick up the flag or I
hate to go to they went helmet to helmet on
each other, not Patrick Mahomes. No flag.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Yeah, we don't need to go under the hood or anything.
It'll those those calls, like two things can be true.
People really struggle. You have the people that are on
the chief side and the people on the text side.
People on the chief side are like, well, the Texans
made mistakes and they got sacked eight times, and the
people on the Texans side are like, well, they got
two calls to change the game. Both of them are true,

(01:08:32):
Like the Texans played, didn't play well enough to win,
but a couple of calls things could be different.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
The second second call was really devastating given the ebb
and flow of that game, right because then they drove
right down score and it basically ended the game.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Yeah, so I'm super curious to see how it gets called.
The Both of these quarterbacks have been known to flop.
Alan does it. He hasn't been getting as much shit
as Mahomes this week because that flopped near the silence,
But Alan doesn't. After all the discourse did the I
have a feeling could be dead wrong, but I have

(01:09:06):
a feeling that you get out of which I would
love to see you get a swallow whistle here. And
they're not gonna call much and so but I'm super
curious to see how the game gets called, which wouldn't hurt,
which wouldn't help the over because I kind of like
the over, so I would love if I bet the over.
I would love for some flat personal fouls. And so

(01:09:30):
I'm very curious to see how the game gets called
after all the discourse this week. But I do think
in in the offseason the NFL will address that because
and the other thing that's made me so angry about
this NFL season is that eye in the sky with
or replay assist. When do they use it? They use

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it like I don't. It's so random. They just decide
to use it every once in a while, and then
some other times they it's just it's gone from the
game and the guy the eye in the sky is
sleeping or I don't know what he's doing that. It's
just it's so random when they decide to use it
and when they don't. So they need to get more
consistent there, and they need to make all of these
fifteen yard penalties be able to just be quickly overturned.

(01:10:14):
And if it's close, fine, you just have the guy
say it's close. We don't need to say anything. But
the ones that are and you just you don't have
to go to the hood. You just have a guy
sit down that it's pretty close. Just stay with the
call in the field. You can even just yell to
the crowd. They have to replay assist it stands. But
the ones that are completely obvious that everyone knows. And

(01:10:36):
I think the NFL will do it in the off
season and people are like, oh, it's going to add
to the game. It'll it'll it's it will happen four
times a game. It'll take five seconds. You're telling me
you don't have twenty five seconds. You can't have twenty
five seconds in the game to get it right. Stop,
I get not going under the hood for three minutes
in a commercial break for everything. But the replass is

(01:10:57):
just get more consistent. That's my rant for the day.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
My rant is I do think the Patrick Mahomes stopping
on the sideline, and he's done it countless times. He
did it against the forty nine ers, and Nick Bosa
said after the game, He's like, in what world are we?
What are we talking about here? It's I think he
should be flagged for that if you stop at the
sideline and do it like you have to. This is
where the Tom Brady thing, where he pushes and like

(01:11:21):
these rules like are a joke. I mean, not that
long ago you would have had someone torpedoing into his
head in that moment of just like fuck you, and
I love the guy. I will back him up, like
you said, against all these people that think there's like
some the actual conspiracy that once happened happened with the Lakers,

(01:11:42):
David Stern, the mob in Philadelphia and Tim Donagy and
everything going on there that was real. This is not
this is I said. If you watch as much football
as you and I do, like Will Levis gets these calls,
just no one's really watching that game when there's seven
other games. It's ridiculous. But you know, when forty million
people are watching Patrick Mahomes, it feels like it's rigged.

(01:12:03):
It's happening to all these quarterbacks, and it infuriates anyone
that loves the sport because it's like, no one wants
these quarterbacks to get injured. But some of these are crazy.
You know, the Texas, they ran into each other. They
didn't even touch them. And to me, where I get mad.
We can talk about Philly now is like the Jalen
Hurts ball where he throws a hospital ball in the
history of the league when two safety or corners behind

(01:12:25):
the guy and safety's coming over that Devonte Smith gets
ejected or not ejected from the game, but like decleted, destroyed,
And it's like, yeah, that's what happens when you throw
that ball. Now, when the ball's in the air, you're like, well,
if there's a collision, they're gonna get a free fifteen yards,
you know for unnecessary That's exactly what happened, even though
it's like that's a you're putting your wide receiver in
harm's way, but that's beside the point. Ultimately, the Eagles,

(01:12:48):
you know, I think at this point in time, with
these four teams, remove the quarterbacks. Because the best quarterback
in this game is the rookie. Their roster is pretty stupid.
I mean, it's pretty freaking good. And it looks like,
as we are recording right now, Mitchell the rookie corner,
you feel like he's gonna be okay play.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
So you know, they're relatively healthy. I guess they're just healthy. Obviously,
Saquon looks like, I don't know, Barry Sanders in the
open field or Adrian Peterson, and the receivers are suite.
You know, aj dropped the ball, but his comments after
the game, he clearly hates playing in snow, and it's
looking at the weather this morning, it's not gonna snow,
it's gonna be cold. But all four of these teams

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are living for eezing cold places, so it's not now.
It would have been a big deal to me if
it was snowing because of the ability to change direction
and run. Obviously changes for Washington and their quarterback. But
if it's just a cold game in the fields, fine,
then I think, you know, nothing, no issue there for Washington.
I think the way I look at this is it's

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they're sexy. Pick everyone's picking them, you know, like rooting
for the story. If you do want to bet Washington,
I think you just bet them to win the game.
I just feel like they can kind of it ends
here now. I don't love like betting on Philly. It's
not like I have a lot of faith their quarterbacks
banged up. He's just been off. But I just think
their talent is just too a mess. I mean the talent.

(01:14:12):
You and I did a quick exercise before we hopped
on and press record. If you if you take out
Jaden Daniels, who how he would trade? He would drive
Jalen Hurts to Washington for Jayden Daniels. The Eagles would
unstoppable if that was the case. I don't know how
many starters for Washington would start for the Eagles. It's
the numbers, probably under two. So, I mean, the talent
discrepancy in this game is honestly, for an NFC championship game,

(01:14:35):
it's borderline like historic.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Yeah, we were thinking talking like the worst rosters overall,
to make the coff Chimps getting like twenty fourteen colts
came to mind. And by the way, yeah, to fix
major sports you get called. There's another college basketball fixing
scattle going on Eastern Michigan, but it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Like currently like happening right now. Yeah, how much was
a kid getting I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
It's in the news like they're just being investigated. There's
been like the shady line movement and did you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Did you notice it when you were as a gambler. Yeah,
there was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
I noticed the weird line that I wasn't involved a
privy do it. But yeah, you can uh google it.
There's some stories out there about it. There's that they're
just being it was their activity was flagged. But two
thousand and two Kings Lakers that definitely was fixed. Western
Conference Finals. Tim Donney Philly got I think Cardinal Hira

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guy that there was a game. I think game six
was criminal Game five or six, but anyway, uh, and
I don't even.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Believe it was game game five. Game five was the
Vlattie tip to Ori, and then Game six was the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Worst officiated the game I've ever seen them all life.
I don't even blame my home Allen flops too, Like, yeah,
they're they're trying to help their team. I hate that.
I hate to watch it. It's so bushy. But I
hate you're trying to get an advantage if you're gonna
get called. It's it's the rules and uh that they
have to fix. But yeah, Philly, Yeah, we said maybe

(01:16:03):
like one or two guys would start on Philly. That's
sort for Washington. So there's a major, major talent gap.
Yere in Philadelphia's rosters much better.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Now in Washington, you could argue, beside the quarterback, the
best players Terry McLaurin and two of the best players
in the Eagles are the two wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Yeah. Now, Washington's highvariants team, like all year, I mean
they went twenty of twenty three on fourth down during
the regular season, which is completely ridiculous. Doesn't matter like
people are like, well, Daniels is different and he's mobile.
I mean what we've seen great mobile quarterbacks before, Lamar Jackson,
Patrick Mahome, like no one is is. That's like an

(01:16:39):
unsustainable right, But it's one game. They could go four
for five and fourth down here. I expect them to
be aggressive. They're the underdogs to have done all year.
They would go four for five and fourth down and
they might be right in this game. That could lead
the touchdowns we saw that in Detroit last week. Or
you know, they could go one for five and then
you give the ball back to Philly. Because the worst group,

(01:17:00):
the worst unit in this game by far, is the
Washington defense. We know that everyone could be confident in
saying that they it's hard for me to see them
getting stopped. Now what the one thing that can help
them here is aj Brown. I don't think it's one
hundred percent, like still dealing with the knee issue, Hurts
isn't a hundred percent and the offense just hasn't been

(01:17:22):
firing all still. In it's like Green Bay, Hurts had
the lowest success rate of a quarterback that won in
the wildcar around in like ten years. It was ugly.
Their offense didn't do much. And then last week it
was Barkley in the snow. It was just, I mean,
how do you stop them anyway, but especially in snow.
Their offense didn't look right. But I assume Barkley's gonna

(01:17:45):
have a big day here, will Hurts. You know, one
of the angles I like for a prop is Dallas
Goddter over over yards. I think like thirty eight and
a half thirty nine up to like thirty nine and
a half somewhere right below four over three and a
half catches as well. This is the guy who shows
up in every single postseason game. Since twenty nineteen, he's

(01:18:08):
played in eight playoff games. He's cleared three and a
half catches in every one. He's averaged five point one
catches on seven targets for fifty four yards. It's got
three touchdowns median catches and receptions six for fifty seven.
So this and what I think is gonna happen here
and Washington can't cover tight ends. They're twenty six in
the league adjusted for opponent, and they didn't face the

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Eagles with Goddard one game. They didn't face the Cowboys
with Ferguson, they didn't face the Cardinals with McBride Knick
Joke who got hurt early against the Browns. And they're
still twenty six and they faced a handful of backup quarterbacks.
Hurts has the highest scramble rate in the league, dealing
with a knee injury. Design runs I think are gonna
be out the window. I don't think he's gonna scramble

(01:18:51):
as much Washington does like the Blitz, So what does
that mean? I think it's a lot of a lot
more quick passes to got it. So like a banged
up and if you're Washington, you have to say, look,
our defense isn't great. Santasy Chamfis game Hurts kind of
banged up. Their passing attack hasn't been great. A J.

(01:19:13):
Brown might not be one hundred percent. We have Latimore.
You have to say, we have to stop Barkley. Like
doesn't matter if you get burnt deep like you gotta
say Hurts, beat us through the air. You're not even
that mobile. We're gonna come after you. We're gonna load
the box. We gotta stop Barkley. You have to do
that if you're watching it. So I think that's gonna
open up some quick passes to god It. Maybe some
screens against We saw a screen that got called back

(01:19:36):
from the legal man down field. We got to hit
a big game as well. So I think that you know,
since Goddard came back, he's looked really good. Past six games.
He's averaged four catches on five targets for about forty
six yards, had eight on ten catches for one hundred
and three yards this postseason, and had that screen called
back and middle of the field Washington second Worstenallee League

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at defending the middle of the field. The Bills are
the third worst. The worst was the Panthers, and so
that I think the tight ends for both the Eagles
and the Chiefs could have big days because both the
Bills and the Commanders really struggle to defend over the
middle of the field. So I like some Goddard over props,
but I think it'll probably come down to, like the
side and the total. How successful was Wathington on these

(01:20:23):
four towns, because I have to give a lot of
credit to Daniels like it. It kind of reminds me
in a way of Flacco was completely different player. But
when Flacco was you got to go back to the
Raidings when he was like a really young player. They
he was they called him Joke January Joe, Joe cool,
like he just looked like he was never phased. He
would just sit on the sidelines like being against Brady.

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Then he'd go in and lead a touchdown drive. Daniels
looks completely unbothered by the way home teams have won
every playoff game, except the Commanders, who have won two
road games with a rookie quarterback, which never happens, and
then both games he hasn't made any mistakes and the
veteran quarterbacks have. I mean, it's the poison.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
And those Ravens teams were good, right, I mean when
he when he first showed up. I mean, they had
some serious talent on the team, right, this is those teams.
You put Jaden Daniels on those teams, I mean ship
they might have like three super Bowls. Yeah, the way
he's not comparing you to I know, I know what
you're I know what you're saying. His body language and
how that's just Joe's personality and this guy's personal A

(01:21:25):
lot of quarterbacks get you. You watch Patrick and Josh,
they get amped up, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Yeah. Yeah, so the poison Daniel has been super impressive
and he hasn't made a mistake in two games. But yeah,
I mean, I ultimately I see felt off he winning
this game. I just think the Washington that's won't hold up.
How do you make up for that?

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Great variants and that's fourth downs, that's being aggressive. And
then you know, Hurts isn't a hundred percent outy in
this and Washington just loads the box and Hurts in
this passing attack kick it going. Uh, you know, you
get a turnover too, then all of a sudden you're live.
You could get a couple of fourth downs, all the
pressures on Philly, but this this will be a tall

(01:22:04):
order for Washington. And it's also their fourth straight road game,
which is not easy. Historically teams have not fared well
in this spot. But hell of a job by dan
Quinn and obviously Daniels to get this roster which just
is void of talent across the board compared to I mean,

(01:22:26):
look at the other teams that are remaining, so they
can come in and play loose though that's the they
have that feel of the team that's just.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Any well for a little underdog. I mean how many
little underdogs. I mean, they're going into the NFC. They
have fourteen wins on the season. I know we can
nitpick the wins, but still that's a shitload of wins.
I mean, it's not like they were some eight win
team that got in on a bad division or a
bad conference on a given year. I mean, just he
won twelve games and then obviously have won two straight

(01:22:56):
games in pretty impressive fashion. I mean, I thought the
Bucks win was really rest of Obviously they went in
the Lions game to kick ass and take names. I
mean they were not intimidate. Now, granted the Lions missing
a million defenders, but I think I heard Scott van
pelsay that the teams that have won so far in
the playoffs have three total turnovers and the teams that
have lost of twenty one. So it's like sometimes we

(01:23:18):
over complicate it, like like you said, the variants, like
if one of these quarterbacks is bound to happen, and hell,
it could be Mahomes or Allen has a game where
they fumble or throw a pick and an inopportune time
in the third quarter and that leads to a touchdown.
I mean, if the final scores are in the high
teams or low twenties, that's the difference right there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Yep. Yeah, Or just a big, a big fumble like
we saw with Andrews last week.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
How about the Rams. What's Kiwan Williams at the big fumble?
I was devastating.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Yeah he has He's got to clean off the bumble issue.
But the I will say for the Commanders, I think
it helps that like we've seen Daniels be poised. But
I mean it did help the play. Tampa's not a
tough place to play, and they already played in Tampa
earlier this season Detroit, like they were down, you know,
thirteen of their thirteen guys in their two deep on defense.

(01:24:10):
They've been poised going to a championship games of different animal,
but it's a divisional game, like I think that helps
them in some sense. Like they've already played in Philly.
They've played Philly twice and they did for all anyone
wants to say about. Look, Philly is about to blow
them out. Hurt Scott, Hurt Pickett came in. They still
put up thirty six on the Eagles defense, like the

(01:24:34):
offense had injuries. They so they'll have confidence here. It's
just that their defense by far is the worst scenon
on the field, which will probably be the difference if
there's just normal fourth down and turnover variants. But the
Commanders can make this really interesting by staying aggressive, which
they've done all year, and continuing to be successful in
fourth downs.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
You were born and raised in Philly, right, yep, right,
the suburbs of Philly. You're a Philly guy. Do you
think it is possible if they are upset and the
guy that owns the Philadelphia seventy six Ers is hosting
the NFC Trophy at the Link, having just taken down

(01:25:17):
the Eagles team. I don't know how that guy could.
And the Sixers are a complete joke, falling apart, the
laughing stock of the city, and you ruin the heart
and joy and the soul of the city. Their team,
the Birds, and especially it's like he took over a
divisional team who also had sucked forever. Never the Eagles
ever even thought about the Commanders. It wasn't a rivalry.

(01:25:37):
They just played him, even if they beat him every once,
so it was like whatever, you know, It's like a
random loss. Can you envision that guy holding that trophy up.
I think he'd have to sell the Sixers, I really do.
I don't think he could. I think this week's gotta
be weird for him showing up to the Stadium's gotta
be weird. He owns the fucking Sixers. I mean, this
is this is, I mean gotta be. I haven't lived

(01:25:59):
in every city but top two or three sports city
in America, and now this guy is challenging the Birds.
I mean I lived there for a couple of years, man,
I just don't think that's gonna fly if they lose whatever. Yeah,
go they win, and he's holding that trophy because who's
usually the first to get it, who's usually the first
to get interviewed. He's standing right there, Dan Quinn, Jane Daniels,

(01:26:20):
and Josh Harris.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Yeah, that's just made this game a lot more interesting.
I didn't even think of that angle. That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
He'd get booted every sixer game he went to the
rest of his life, right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember it would bring the the Eagles.
Had the Eagles that good luck for good success in
the NBC Championship games later, I think they've won too
straight at home. But early to mid two thousands they
were losing a bunch. They lost to the Bucks. I
remember one game where everyone thought they were gonna win.

(01:26:52):
Bronde barber I think had a pick six on McNab.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Wasn't the final score in that game like twelve to
seven or something. There was a low scoring game.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
I think the Bucks. The Bucks went like twenty four
to ten or something like. It was close, and then
they were Eagles are driving the Ronde Barbera to pick six.
They lost to the Panthers and Jake the Loam. I
think like ten to three, twelve three, something like that,
and I think that was the year after the Bucks game.

(01:27:21):
I don't know, I get them all confused.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
But yeah, would have been you Gruden went before the
Panthers went.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Yeah, so yeah, then you throw in Harris Angle. Oh yeah,
there's not not going to be a lot of happy people.
I will say I'm rooting for they've had.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
They've had. Their last two NFC championship games have been
pretty sweat free. I mean, they beat the shit out
of Minnesota the year with Foles and then Perty's arm
fell off the first drive. They didn't have a quarterback.
That game was a joke. So it's like they have
not sweated at all. Like, like even this playoff has

(01:27:59):
been a little interest thing. Those two, those two championship
games are as easy of a championship games you can
ever have.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Yeah, the San Franko San Francisco game is a joke.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
Minnesota game was like a party after like two drives, like,
oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Yeah that was it. I think that was like forty
to seven. Oh that Yeah, I'm personally rooting, so I'm like,
if I had a outside of my bets I haven't
been on either of these games. Sidewise, I think for
the best super Bowl, I'm personally, I'm personally rooting for

(01:28:37):
Bills Eagles. The reason that I'm rooting for the Bills
is because what do I do for two that's after
conference championship weekend. We have two weeks one football game left,
and I will do my podcast, I will write about them,
I will do shows. I'll do shows like this. I
got to talk about one game for two weeks. I'm

(01:29:00):
tired of talking about the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.
So personally, that's I would like some fresh blood. But
I'm sure the NFL wouldn't mind the Chiefs back there
because they're They're polarizing now, which is what you want
from a league perspective. People hate them, people love them,
They're they get all the eyeballs.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
So they're becoming or the Lakers. Who had ever thought
Kansas City is becoming this big, bad brand that people
can't stand.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Yeah, they're the villain role with this lovable Andy ree
can ever be the villain, But they're they're becoming like
the villain uh in the league. So just personally, i'd
like that, and I think Eagles Chiefs. I really don't want.
There was already a super Bowl recently, but it's pretty
crazy that we've had fifteen straight AFC championship games with

(01:29:54):
Brady or Mahomes and them.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Wild that's pretty nuts. Well stuff I will who by
the way, where you go? You know? I think the
Washington story is really cool, but like I want a
good game in the super Bowl, and to me, the Eagles,
Like I can't see Washington winning the super Bowl. The
Eagles can win the super Bowl. And even if the

(01:30:16):
Eagles lose, like they can play you really fucking tight
and they are just loaded. So to me, it's got
to be the Eagles. And I just think the Bills
like the story of the franchise. You know. Sean mcdermot's
just he's just a good guy. He works his ass off.
He kind of doesn't get talked about like a lot
of coaches that he wins like and it would just

(01:30:37):
be one of those like can everyone just look back
at his resumes. He's been one of the playoffs. This
is second time. This is the rivalry too, Like this
is the manning Brady. This is the fourth time they've
played in five years, right, second time in the championship game.
He's really played him well, right, It's like, I mean,
they literally had him beat one year obviously, so I

(01:30:58):
think that'd be pretty cool. I wouldn't come play for
Chiefs again, it doesn't bother me as much. I just
know a lot of guys on the staff, so it's
like that that'd be cool too. I don't think we
can lose with the AFC game because, like you said,
I think everyone would complain so much for the Chiefs.
Everyone has an opinion on the Chiefs, and that's ultimately
what you want, especially in our business, people care. I

(01:31:19):
do think it's very important for the Eagles to be there,
to get to get a good game. The week's leading
up would be fine and cool and be fun to
talk about. But I can see a game where it's
like they just lost thirty five, you know, lost by
fifteen to twenty points.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
I yeah, the Commander's defense against Alan or Mahomes probably
not could end well.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
So I as we it here right now, I think
we get Bills Eagles. I mean, obviously I don't feel
great about the Bills, but I think I'd be the
team that has the most pressure by a mile, Like, ultimately,
if the Bills lose the Chiefs, it's like, yeah, everyone's
lost the Chiefs. If the Chiefs finally lose, like a
big deal. Belichick and Brady lost a lot too.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
If the Eagles were to lose, you know that city
man people would it's weird because it's not like I
bet if you went to in Philadelphia right now, a
lot of Eagles fans not like they're cocky thinking they're
on lock for the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
They're probably a little nervous. This feels a little weird
for how good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
They are, right Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
That's that's what makes these two games. It should be
hopefully we get. I mean like we wereoted for last
week and it turned out that way. Just give me
some give me some good entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
I agreed, Gay, I'll talk to you soon. Anybody all right,
brother Joey, your weekend talk to talk super Bowl Next

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
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