November 11, 2024 • 41 mins
John is back to discuss the thrilling Sunday Night Football tilt between the “team of destiny” Detroit Lions and Houston Texans. Middlekauff salutes Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions for holding on to win 26-23, despite Goff throwing 5 interceptions in a hard-fought battle in Houston, Texas. Middlekauff uses tonight's messy first half to illustrate the Detroit Lions resilience and explains why coming back from being down 23-7 is a testament to the NFC North’s grit and mental toughness and explains why the Lions might be on par with Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs this season. John breaks down the Detroit Lions impressive comeback and explains why both teams’ struggling quarterbacks led to a gritty battle in a big game that saw the Detroit Lions move to 8-1 on the season. Then, John explains why the Houston Texans, who burst onto the scene led by rookie QB CJ Stroud last season, seem to have lost the magic that got them into the NFL’s playoffs in 2023. Next, John dives into the state of various “ugly” NFL franchises such as the New York Giants, Caleb Williams & the Chicago Bears, Aaron Rodgers’ New York Jets, Dak Prescott & the Dallas Cowboys and several others. Finally, John salutes Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals, and Jim Harbaugh’s Los Angeles Chargers.
5:33 - SNF reaction - Lions at Texans
23:50 - NFL disaster watch
24:50 - Bears are NFL biggest disaster
31:56 - Jerry Jones to blame for Cowboys woes
36:08 - Jags with Mac Jones are a tough watch
38:53 - NFL shout outs
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
Probably not as good as the Lions and their kicker
(00:22):
and Dan Campbell and Lions fans. If you are a
Lions fans fan, congrats. It feels like you got the
football gods on your side. So somehow the Lions, who
are down twenty three to seven and a half, Jared
got ended the game with five interceptions, win the game.
Now CJ threw a couple in the second half, we'll
(00:44):
dive into it, but that was a bananas second half
of football. The Lions win another game. They are currently
eight and one, and the Texans drop I mean, obviously
an awful game. They're six and four. Luckily their division
sucks so it might not matter. But we will dive
(01:05):
into that game as well as just some disasters that
are going on around the NFL. Obviously the Bears, the Jets,
the Cowboys, the Jags, I mean, there are some teams
that have some major issues. And there are a couple
coaches I just I think we just have to talk
about because one guy in my neck of the woods
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who was just kicking ass and taking names and another
guy who's just no one should be shocked at because
all he does is win. But you can check this
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YouTube page all of our contents there. If someone gets
fired throughout the week, I'll probably do a breaking news
segment that'll be YouTube only. And you never know. Around
this time of the year, team start falling apart, who's
(01:47):
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through the fourth quarter. This might just be one of
(03:15):
those games. The Lions go thirteen and four and they
get blown out thirty eight to thirteen. Sunday night football,
perfect storm against a desperate Texans team. Totally understandable. Jared
Goff just has the worst performance of a season, probably
hurts his MVP chances, might even knock him out of
the MVP race. But what it's all said and done,
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people will forget this game. It'll be a big win
for the Texans in the big picture, grand scheme of things.
It happens, and then all of a sudden, the second
half gets weird. I just want to read a stretch
starting in the first half until midway through the second half.
It goes like this. It's thirteen to seven interception Texans,
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field goal punt, punt, punt, touchdown Texans. So you got
twenty three to seven interception Hail Mary coming out of
the of the half. Start a third quarter interception, interception, punt, touchdown, interception, interception, punt,
punt punt, twenty three to twenty. Then it gets weird.
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I do think, just on a big picture thought when
it comes to the Lions. Part of the reason I
love football. Why football guys, when you hear them talk, coaches, executives,
former players speak so highly of the actual game is
there's nothing quite like it. It truly is the ultimate
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team game. You can pick your teammates up, you can
pick one of the units on your team up. You
can have a bad half on one side of the ball,
and in the second half it can flip flop and
it takes everybody. It truly does. But if I told
you that a team was going to be down twenty
(05:08):
three to seven at half, and that team's quarterback would
throw five interceptions, what would you imagine the final score
would be. You'd probably say forty five to ten, right,
but instead they win twenty six to twenty three. And
I think that game is a great example of great teams,
(05:31):
and collins Worth was talking about it just like I
think great successful human beings, successful companies have a lot
of grit and mental toughness. Sometimes shit is not gonna
go your way. Sometimes life is gonna throw you a
curveball and it's gonna suck. Sometimes things are gonna happen
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that are out of your control and there's nothing you
can do about it, and sometimes you create a mess.
And I think that Lion's game was everything. Jared Goff
was off, some random stuff was happening, like balls getting
tipped flying into their arms. Their offense, clearly the cohesion
wasn't there. Defensively, they were just kind of a mess
(06:13):
and it just looked like a disaster. But the one
thing Dan Campbell has preached going back to that three
to thirteen team whatever four years ago, to the team
we have seen blossom all through last year, go to
the NFC Championship game, and this year what looks to
be the NFC front runner is mental toughness, and they
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ain't gonna quit win or lose that game in the
second half. If that game had not gone their way
but they had still come back and they had lost
by a field goal, you know what, my takeaway would
have been the same thing that teem's tough to knock out.
I mean, they ain't tapping out. They're like a UFC
fighter that I don't give a shit what you do.
(06:55):
He ain't tapping on the ground. It's like the anti
anti Anthony Richards, like, I'm not tapping. You're gonna have
to knock me all the way out. And that's what
I thought tonight. The Lions just showed this unrelenting will
to play till the final second of the game. And
(07:16):
I think a lot of teams, a lot of average teams,
obviously a lot of blow average teams, which is understandable,
go into the tank, they just kind of wilt. And
I think it's fair to say that most of the
time the Lions in these situations most of my life,
fall apart and get blown out. But the version that
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we saw last year, and I'd even argue this year's
version is different than last year's version because I saw
last year's team get blown out a couple times, and
it would have been understandable. Like I said, perfect circumstances
on the road, desperate team, a good team, rockets environment.
You just come off a massive win on the road
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in an ugly environment at green Bay, Like if you
had to pick one of the two games to win,
you would pick green Bay over this Houston game. So
they already took care of business. It was like, Okay,
this is not going their way. And then their defense
gets a couple turnovers. So when you see the five interceptions,
I'd push back and say it's neutralized a little bit
(08:17):
because CJ gave two back in the second half as well,
so they almost cancel each other out. And one big
difference that was on full display tonight is I do
think I'm not saying he's obviously this player or even
this level of player, but Peyton Manning threw an ugly ball.
He threw a wobbly ball. It was like a wounded duck.
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But he was extremely accurate. And what else was he
extremely mentally tough. How many times I remember there was
a game Peyton Manning against the Chargers. I think when
I was in college, did Peyton threw five or six interceptions.
I think the Colts ended up losing the game, but
they came storming back like it was really really hard
(09:02):
to just break Peyton. And I do think there are
some qualities of the version of we're seeing with Jared
Goff that have some similarities. Cannot move it all, I mean,
actually he can move a little bit better. And Peyton
had a nice little first down scramble to night, but
he's not a good athlete relative to NFL players. Does
not really even throw that pretty of a ball. Was
throwing wobbly balls all night long. But you know what
(09:24):
he consistently did tonight, especially in the second half, hit
guys in their hands, gave guys a chance to make
catches NonStop. Jameis and Williams made an unreal catch getting
kind of you know, smashed between two and a half
guys right, and the balls all over the map like
a wounded duck. And I learned a lot about Jared Goff,
who's obviously made huge strides in the last couple of
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years in terms of like elevating his play, becoming a
household name, re established himself as one of the better players.
I thought tonight, I mean, he's had some games where
he doesn't throw any completion, throws a bunch of tough touchdowns.
You could argue tonight just in terms of learning about somebody.
If I'm Dan Campbell and you saw the embrace they
had when Baits kicks the game winning field goal, It's like,
(10:10):
you want to be in the trenches with that guy
because you can't break this guy. It can't get any worse.
He could play one hundred more games in his career.
He's not gonna throw five interceptions, and most guys, rightfully
so just crumble. And he didn't, and clearly their team
does not. And obviously we know how talented their team
is offensively, Like at any moment they need to drive.
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Hit Saint Brown, hit Jamison Williams, hit Gibbs. I mean
there was a play I don't like. If you're gonna try,
you're cool with kicking a field goal, running toss plays,
it could have bit him in the ass. It ended
up not because Baits hit a fifty eight yard field goal,
but like, if you are gonna run it and are
cool with running it on a couple downs, and I
(10:51):
know sometimes the Lions hit toss plays for big games
because you get him in space, hits a crease. But
in that spot under four or five minutes to go,
Gibbs ended up running backwards. Just just run even if
you're gonna go outside, run like just a traditional outside zone.
That basically triggers the guy on the snap to get
(11:12):
downhill and then pick his lane. But when you do
the toss, if someone misses a block, that thing get
ugly fast. They got lucky there. I know a lot
of people probably on their couch or being critical of
Gibbs for running back. I put that on Ben Johnson,
who clearly is a brilliant offensive coordinator. To me, in
that spot, if you're gonna run the ball all four
it do something that just gets downhill. Listen, you get stopped,
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you get stopped, someone breaks behind the line of scrimmage,
and you get a negative one yard game. So be it.
But give the guy a chance to get full speed downhill.
When you go the toss play you're getting to like
you know, you're going east and west right away. So
even my natural move and if something goes wrong, it
could just be a disaster. Fast. We see it sometimes
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like when a quick screen or a jail break screen
to a receiver shit, you know, just falls apart and
he kind of freaks out because a guy missed the block.
He starts running the wrong way. I would take that out,
and I think I would imagine Ben Johnson would like
that back. Now, it ended up not costing him because
Baits hits the long field goal and then clearly at
the end of the game hits another long field goal
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after the Texans. It's tough, you know, when you're kicker,
and I saw this with the forty nine ers. When
your kicker you hit the upright, you barely miss Like
it's football. It happens when you miss a kick by
a million feet, it's a pretty big kick in the nuts.
Like as a fan, as someone just watching, if you're
gambling on the game and that kicker, you know, basically
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kicks it out of bounds. It's it's tough and that
that kick didn't have a shot. And I know he's
hit some big kicks before for the Texans, but as
someone tweeted at me, when he misses this year, he's
missed bad and that was a bad miss. Now Baits
is also flirting with the upright, but he got both
in when he needed to do and the reason they
were in that position. I mean, the Texas didn't score
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in the second half. And one thing you see tonight, like,
let me just look at the box score, Jared Goff
did not get sacked. Think about that, Jared Goff of
all like the top, Let's just say twenty quarterback. Hell,
just all the starting quarterbacks in the NFL. How many
quarterbacks in the NFL? Of the thirty two starters would
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you say Jared Goff is a better athlete than it
would be a really really short list Flacco. I mean
even the guys did stink. Like Daniel Jones, excellent athlete,
Jared Goff is not a good athlete. So what do
they do? They build an excellent offensive line. He gets
rid of the ball fast, he knows his limitation, does
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not get sacked. Meanwhile, CJ. Stroud, who actually is I
don't think we quite knew this at Ohio State, but
then he went to the combine and we're like, ah,
this guy's a really good athlete, is just getting destroyed.
Four more sacks night, run around for his life. The
one play where his own offensive lineman tried to strip him.
You know, I think Laramie Tunzel i don't know how
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well he's playing this year. Whenever I watch him, it
feels like it can be a little hit or miss,
but clearly, you know, it's been a really really good
player over the course of his career. I feel like
their guards and center, that interior part of their offensive
line is just having a lot of trouble, and just
their offensive line, like part of it is a unit.
Like you can have weak links, but if you play
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well as a group, you can overcome it, especially if
your quarterback understands it and gets rid of the ball.
I mean, one thing Collinsworth talked about down the stretch
of that game is like, you know, CJ. You can't
hold onto the ball super long in these situations. And
when they got a big first down on that final
drive that put him in field goal range, what do
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you do? One two boom, get rid of the ball.
To Mechi who want an incredible story to overcome cancer,
have a touchdown tonight that that was a really really
cool moment. But you know, the Texans or a team
that I thought was gonna flirt with the number one
overall seed, now they're six and four. They're gonna win
the division because it's in such shambles. But man, you
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got it that they got problems. They really did. Their
defense makes a lot of plays. They're really well coached
because of Demiico, but offensively slow. Something is just off.
And I guess they've been missing Nico Collins, who's an
elite player. Diggs is now out for the season, but
you would think with mixing with a high end quarterback,
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not necessarily right now. But you know, in theory they
have tight ends. They still got Tank Dell, they got Mechi.
They got enough to not score a point in the
second half. That's really really bad. That really is. I mean,
one touchdown in the second half wins you this game
pretty easily. And that's what's crazy to me is I
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thought the Texans were just gonna be so potent on offense.
It's really really difficult for them to score. And then
early in the game, Joe Mixon, who is running the
ball wells like freaking out on the sideline. It's like,
what is going on, Bobby Slowick, you know, you got Demiko.
Defense is locked, they got guys in and out of
the lineup, they're banged up, and they're still playing their
(16:15):
ass off. But offensively Slowick for a guy that got
held to high regard. He's like the Shanahan guy, little genius,
former PFF guy. Does feel like it's unraveled a little bit,
and I think sometimes we put these guys on a
pedestal and then it's like, Okay, let's just it's a
long season. We got seventeen weeks and tonight was a
tough one for the offensive coordinator. It really was. And
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Aaron Glenn, who I think the last couple of years
was kind of the weaklink viewed by Lions fans and
people that watch the Lions. He's done a really, really
good job. He had the one moment and I was
critical on Monday Night against Seattle, but turns out that
game was a little bit of an outlier because tonight,
if the defense falls apart with him throwing a bunch
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of interceptions and turn the ball over, I mean, they
that have got destroyed. But they kind of held their mud.
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Now, speaking of the stuff to figure out, we have
some serious disasters right now in the NFL. I went
out with Colin earlier today and we talked about a
lot of these situations. But I think that we even
need to go more in depth of just truly how
ugly some of these current state of the NFL franchises are.
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I mean, especially when you factor in the hype behind them,
it's pretty rare. Like every year you're gonna have bad teams.
Look at last year. Let's just look at who drafted
won Carolina. It's like, yeah, they've sucked for a while, Washington,
like they've sucked most of Dan Snyder's era, the New
England Patriots like they had kind of been bad for
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a couple of years. It's why Belichick was on the
hot seat, right the Chargers, like Brandon Staley's a joke.
This year, we got teams circling that top pick who
some viewed as playoff teams, some viewed as teams that
could win their conference. And if we were just doing
a disaster rankings, I think it's pretty unequival the Chicago Bears,
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because the Jets one, they've always sucked in this notion
that they're coaching said, we'll dive into them in a second.
But the Bears finished strong last year and most people
thought that their defense could be one of the best
in the league. You had this number one overall pick,
who I would say, like Trevor Lawrence and Andrew Luck
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level hype for three years in college, the hype behind
Caleb Williams started his freshman year at Oklahoma. He has
been abysmal. He has been a disaster. If you just
watched the game today him versus Drake may and you
knew nothing about college football. You didn't know, you never
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watched these guys play. You didn't even know anything about
the draft. You didn't know where they were drafted. I
just told you both these two guys are first year
starting quarterbacks and both their teams are kind of in shambles.
But the Bears have a way better team and have
way better offensive weapons for the quarterback to throw to.
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Both offensive lines are not very good. Just watch the
game and tell me what you think after what quarterback
would you rather have? There would not be a soul
that would watch that game and come away and say
they would rather have Caleb Williams than Drake May. Caleb
Williams right now looks like a scrub, he really does.
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And listen everyone, and understandably and rightfully so is shitting
on the coaching staff. Eber Flew's dead man walking. By
the time you listen this. Maybe he gets fired, though
I think historically the Bears have never fired a coach
in season, so they'll probably let it play out. Obviously,
Shane Waldron not going well. But if you just watch
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Caleb play, there's no other takeaway than like, this guy's
not good at football right now, and you watch Drake
May play, you go god. I kind of like this, Like, obviously,
Jaden has a more buttoned up operation. Dan Quinn good
coach Cliff clearly a good offensive coordinator. They got some
running backs. Mclaurin's a good player depending on McCaffrey's brother
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catch some balls. Like it's not like they're super loaded
a wide receiver. But you watch Jayden play and you go,
that's a big time player. If you've watched bo Nicks
over the course of the season, you're like, kind of
gets better every week. Is he ever gonna be some superstar?
Probably not, but that guy that's a starting quarterback in
the NFL. Then you watch Caleb and you just like leave,
like what what am I missing? And I'm not trying
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to act like I didn't like him in college. I
thought he's really talent. I would have taken him number
one overall, But like that the draft happened, he went
number one overall and he's on the Bears. His star
wide receiver Dj Moore, I think it's pretty clear does
not like him. That's kind of a problem. I'd be
one thing. You know, Dj Moore has got a little
(22:56):
like t O and you know Antonio Brown to him. No,
it feels like DJ's kind of got along with everybody
and played with a lot of shitty quarterbacks and produced,
and this guy is so much worse than every guy
he's played with. He's just kind of snapping now. He
was clearly a justin fields guy. But I think if
you ask him halfway through the season, like, of course
he was justin Field's guy. Look at the guy I'm
playing with. And there were some people and I'm not
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acting like I was one of them that said, listen,
this guy can't play from within the pocket. And I
always think like, if he's talented enough, coach him up.
His wide receivers are good enough, you'll figure it out.
But you watch him from the pocket, it's atrocious. His
deep ball accuracy isn't even close ebra Flus. All these
guys are gonna get fired. It's inevitable. It's happening. Could
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happen this week, could happen in three weeks, could happen
at the end of the season. This team sucks, easy
to blame. The coaches totally get it. But the quarterback's
been really, really bad, I mean really bad. And the
reason I was a believer in this team. It's like,
how's the quarterback not going to be solid? He's got
Keenan Allen he's got Cole Comet, He's got DJ Moore,
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who dominates if I was playing wide receiver. They drafted
Romadonze in the first round. It's like, how, how are
you not going to be just like minimum average? This
guy isn't even close to below average. He's just a
really really bad player. And that effort today to lose
nineteen to three in their last three games fifteen nine
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and three, fifteen nine and three, this team is getting
worked right now. I mean today is one of the
uglier games you'll ever see. Like we'll get to the
Jets here in a second, like Aaron Rodgers forty years old.
Their coach has already been fired, Like what did anyone expect?
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Davante's not quite what he once was. Their defense sucks.
Gardner probably has has had one of the more disappointing
seasons of any young bright star. The Jets stink. We
know that anyone that bet on them to win the
division is gotta be on drugs, and I mean really
potent drugs, because that's crazy. But if you thought they
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were gonna be better, okay, it's like, yeah, there's old players,
but then we had a early evidence like this is
going to be a disaster. Team's old. I get it,
But the Bears being this bad to lose to the Patriots,
who we all thought was an embarrassment as an organization
and as a roster for them to kick your ass.
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Oh yeah, the game was in Chicago. I don't see
how you shake that. Like I understand, Like, obviously the
Jets are a disaster. They're not far behind, but we
get it, like they sold their soul and it blew
up in their face and it's over, and this franchise
is gonna have a new coach, a new GM who
knows Rogers retires. It's just it's a disaster. The thing
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with the Bears, these are your guys like DJ Moore,
Roma dunes, A, Cole Kmet, Caleb Williams. Like that's your
squad for the next like three or four years. That's
that's that's like your core players, Like that's your crew.
And it's it's like, is Bill waltsh just gonna show
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up and fix it? Maybe, but I think there are
enough concerns to be Like I said this to Colin.
You know, if you go back to Jared Goff's rookie year,
Jeff Fisher season, really ugly. That was the year Richard
Sherman I think took him out on this Hideline looked
like he couldn't play in the NFL, but if anyone
could come and just get him point in the right direction.
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Jared Goff in college was a dominant pocket quarterback. That's
what he did well. He didn't run well. It's not
like he had some huge bazooka arm. He was a
pocket quarterback. So if you could do a good enough
job building the team like that was his skill set
playing from within the pocket. That to me is the
(27:04):
number one question with Caleb, Like he just doesn't look
comfortable in that. And that's the thing with Jaden that's
so crazy. It's like, God, this guy's just natural within
the pocket. He's very comfortable from throwing within the tackle box.
And that's something right now that that Caleb I don't know,
and I think he's playing so shitty. Who knows how
(27:26):
interesting this job is gonna be. I mean, this is
not a franchise that pays a lot of money like
the Jets job. Who's gonna be interested in the Jets job? Honestly?
Who bunch of old players, bunch of bad contracts sas
Gardner is gonna want a ton of money. He's not
playing well. Garrett Wilson's gonna want a ton of money.
You got no quarterback. You could argue whoever takes over
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the Jets, what you should do. Trade everybody Just start
Just yank that thing down to the studs the Bears,
like it was already yanked the studs. This is your
core like the like was anyone shocked watching that game today?
Team sucks. They do not have much talent on the field.
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I liked Cooper Rush when he had played in the past,
but he played on really good teams. Their defense was excellent,
so he just had to kind of manage the game.
They could run the ball. Now they're handing the ball
off to Ezekiel Elliott, who was just left at home
last week for not showing up on time to meetings.
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He fumbled the ball. The Eagles landed on the ball
today again, another symbolic Zeke Elliott moment. Who all I'd heard,
I just assumed they were correct. Super high level guy,
Dak's BFF leader guy people gravitate to in the locker room.
It's like you just left it. How often do guys
that people gravitate to in the locker room at thirty
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years old or thirty one years old or whatever old
he is have to be left at home for showing
continuously late to meetings. Of course, the Cowboys got their
ask kick obviously with Dak Prescott being on the sideline.
Even if he had played in the game, they got
no They got no chance in that game. I parlayed today,
nice little hit for me. The Eagles minus seven and
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a half in the Arizona Cardinals. Now I didn't feel
going into the game, like, Yeah, what's Arizona at home
as a dog, Like that's just good value. I don't
know what Jets team I'm gonna get, but more often
than not, I get a bad Jets team, so I'll
take my chances. I was one hundred percent confident the
Eagles will winning that thing by double digits, and honestly,
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they slept walk early in the game, which is understandable
because they watched his team on film. They're like, this
team sucks. This is the team that we've gone head
to head with for the last three years trying to
win the division. They've won it a couple times, we've
won it once. We probably should have won it twice.
It ain't this team anymore. Then you got Dak or
Mike after the game saying he doesn't care about Mike McCarthy.
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You can go read the quotes. I don't want to
screw it up, but it's pretty like it's just like God,
this team is just all over the map, and this
is Jerry's doing. Jerry creates this team. Everyone knows that
Jerry's in charge, not the head coach. The head coach
is a dead man walking. His contract's running up. And
I said, the best thing that ever happened in this
team is to keep on losing a lot like the
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Chargers last year. Because what happened they ended up with
a fifth overall pick. Well that's not just for the
first round, that's every round they found their starting right tackle.
I look up today, McConkie's making a play. Part of
that also is though getting the right coach they got
Jim Harbaugh and the Cowboys. I don't know. I didn't
watch much of this game. I mean I had it
on one of the four boxes, but it was every
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time I looked up, nothing was really happening. The Jags
lost with Mac Jones, he threw for one hundred and
eleven yards. He threw two interceptions, and he also fumbled.
I just don't I feel for Jags fans. I actually
think they've played relatively hard in a lot of their losses,
even the day the game was close. But that's a
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tough watch. You would I think I would legitimately have
to be paid to watch every snap of Mac Jones.
And I said this a long time ago when Belichick
drafted the guy in the history of the league, Guys
like Mac Jones went on the third day of the draft. Now,
I get inflationary times when it comes to quarterbacks, but
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I don't care what quarterback inflation equals. If you take
that guy in the first round, let alone the fifteenth
overall pick, that's nuts. I said it when everyone said
that Kyle Shanahan was going to draft Mac Jones with
a third overall pick, that that would have been the
most arrogant and insane pick in the history of the
National Football League. And I don't even think there would
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have been a close second. At the moment he picked him,
that would have been nuts. This guy is a fringe backup,
and as time will go on, that this guy went
fifteenth overall and listen that draft also, I mean it
was historically bad. Trey Lance cannot win the backup job
to Cooper Rush. Zach Wilson is also the third string
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quarterback beside Trevor Lawrence, who isn't that good and also
now injured. You know, at least Justin Fields is an
NFL player. But man, couple guys that just need to
get a shot out. Jonathan Gannon took a lot of
shit when they lost that Super Bowl, and rightfully so.
I mean Andy called a couple of players and the
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guys walked right in the end zone. You know, the
Eagles probably should have won that Super Bowl. But I've
told Colin this before. I think I've mentioned it on
this show. Is my friends that worked for the Eagles
loved him. They didn't like him, they loved him, and
they all said that they thought that this guy would
be a better head coach than he was a coordinator.
Just a fantastic leader, very very good with players. You
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could call this staff like the millennial Cardinals. Gannon is
forty one born in nineteen eighty three. Their offensive coordinator,
bald Guy Petsing is thirty seven years old, born I
think in eighty seven. Their defensive coordinator, Nick Rallis, was
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born in nineteen ninety three. He's currently the youngest coordinator
in the NFL beside Buddha Baker. I'm not sure they
have great personnel on defense. For the last couple weeks
against the Bears and the Jets, they played their ass
off and offensively, like Kyler's been fantastic since Kyler came
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back from that injury last year. They're nine to nine,
Like this is a playoff team. Their quarterback is playing really,
really well. Trey McBride looks like George Kittle. James Connor
is one of the best running backs in the NFL.
Marvin Harrison was a top you know whatever, five pick.
Reason he's an excellent player. Like, their offense is real
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and because of their quarterbacks running and passing dynamic, it's
it's very difficult to play. They can obviously run the
ball with Connor, their quarterback can also run the ball
and passing like he literally can do it all. He
can throw from the pocket, he's accurate, he can throw
on the move. He's got a big arm. He can
stretch the field like Kyler's a free towel. There's a
reason a guy five foot nine, five foot ten, was
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a no doubt about it. Number one overall. Pick. I mean,
we talk about some of those guys as Zach Wilson's,
the mac Jones, the Trey Lance. You could combine all
those guys. Their talent doesn't sniff half of Kyler's. The
question with Kyler was always like focus and now he's
got this thing going with the the kind of the
ban Danny. He looks like he'd be a guitarist for
a band that would have been playing at wood Sock
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back in the late sixties. And he's jamming because right
now he fucking looks awesome. They are a fun they're
six to four and it's not one of those like
how are they doing this? Like you watch him, it's
like they got real players. Their team plays their ass off,
and their coaching staff is a bunch of young dudes,
and that team is just vibing right now. That was
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these last two weeks, and you can listen Bears Jets disasters.
No one's disputing that the Cardinals treated them like if
in high school, the varsity scrimmage, the jv That's what
those games the last two weeks look like. They were
an underdog today at home. The game was never remotely
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close in the second half. I honestly thought they were
gonna injured Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers cannot move anymore, and
I don't exactly know who's brushing the passer for the
Arizona Cardinals, but they were flying around. And last but
not least, Jim Harbaugh. The Chargers won five games last year.
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It's November tenth and they have six wins. I'm really
disappointed I didn't do this because I kind of got
talked out of it some of you guys. I like
the Chargers to make the playoffs, and you could have
got it at four to one before the season. Chargers
are in the playoffs. The Chargers are going to be
more than likely the sixth seed. Technically they could be
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the five seed, but if I was a betting man,
I would say they end up with the sixth seed.
Pittsburgh Baltimore whinter that division ends up as the two
or three seed, and the loser of that division more
than likely ends up at the five and the Chargers
end up at the six. Possibly that team ends up
at the six Chargers and un of the five, but
either way, here's what I know, and I told Colin this,
the Broncos might make the playoffs as well, and they
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they'll probably be. They would be the seventh seed. The
Broncos are gonna be one and done. They would not
win a playoff game. I think the Chargers are gonna
be the team as like a three four five point
underdog in Round one that all the big money sharps
lay the house on, and I think they got upset
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potential written all over them all. This guy does think
how many coaches? You know? When I was a kid,
most coaches did this. They worked in college football, they
became dominant there, Jimmy Johnson, National Championship, Barry Switzer dominate,
and then they go to the pros. That was always
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the trajectory. Most guys don't go to college, go to
the pros, dominate in both, then go back to college, dominate,
and then go back to the pros. I don't think
we've ever seen a coach like this. Urban Meyer Jim's
rival right when he was a hostate and Urban dominated him.
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Elite college coach beside Nick Saban, the best college coach
the last twenty five years. He couldn't even make it
through one season in the pros. He couldn't make it
through one season. That's how fast they ran him out
of town. He was laughed at. Steve Spurrier got right
out of the NFL within like two years. Bobby Petrino,
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Nick Saban, this guy dominated in college football. Just won
the National Championship, and honestly, the previous year it wasn't
for one of the weirdest Final four games. Should have
been in the National Championship against Georgia. Probably lose that game,
but still should have been in back to back national championships.
Has already been to three conference championships and a Super Bowl,
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and it's gonna go come to the NFL. Had to
cut a bunch of offensive players because his cap was
all out of whack drafts a tackle number five overall,
and all of a sudden, probably by December, he's gonna
have nine wins. I'm telling you, this team, within a
couple of years is going to be a Super Bowl contender.
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It is amazing what Jim Harbaugh is doing. He can
coach in either in the NIL the transfer portal era.
Every coach is freaking out. He dominated it. We saw
him go to a BCS game with Andrew Luck well
before that at a school that should never be good
at football, and beside the Jim ere Jim Harbaugh in
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a couple of years of David Shaw is mostly shitty
at football. This guy wins everywhere he goes. I don't
know how he doesn't. Everyone I know that's around him
say he's a complete nutjob, weird guy. Every interview you see,
he's a little out there. But when you give this
guy a whistle and you give him your team polo,
whether you're Stanford, whether you're the Niners, whether you're Michigan,
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win you're the Chargers. For one certainty, this fucking guy
is going to win way more games than he loses.
It's a fact, And there aren't many facts in football.
How many guys can I take from college right now
and put on the Bears next year and go, it's
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a lock, this guy's winning ten games. There might not
be one. How many guys in the NFL, like I
couldn't just take Kyle she Hanna, Sean McVay or lafleur
and put him next year at Like you pick a
school USC and just have them eleven wins, ten wins.
Who knows? Maybe they would just be thrown off by
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the recruiting. They wouldn't even know how to do it.
This guy can do them both. Most human beings, including
like myself, yourself, anyone listening, we're only good at a
couple things. And just because you're good at coaching football
does not mean you can coach both college and pro
because they're like two completely different industries. And yet this
guy's kind of mastered it. And if he wins the
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super Bowl, you could argue that's probably more impressive than
ever given that he won a national title in the
nil transfer portal era and then he won a super
Bowl with the fucking Chargers, that would be even more crazy.
It's like if Dan Campbell wins a super Bowl. Listen,
if Dan Campbell had had been hired by the Green
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Bay Packers or the Pittsburgh Steelers, it would be impressive. Like,
this guy's a super Bowl champion. This guy might win
a super Bowl with the Lions. Jim Harbaugh, you know
what his crowning achievement is winning a super Bowl with
the Chargers. If he's able to do that next three
or four years, that's way more impressive than what he
did in Michigan. And what he did in Michigan was
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really impressive. Audios, have a good night. What a day
of ball. The volume
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
Probably not as good as the Lions and their kicker
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and Dan Campbell and Lions fans. If you are a
Lions fans fan, congrats. It feels like you got the
football gods on your side. So somehow the Lions, who
are down twenty three to seven and a half, Jared
got ended the game with five interceptions, win the game.
Now CJ threw a couple in the second half, we'll
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dive into it, but that was a bananas second half
of football. The Lions win another game. They are currently
eight and one, and the Texans drop I mean, obviously
an awful game. They're six and four. Luckily their division
sucks so it might not matter. But we will dive
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into that game as well as just some disasters that
are going on around the NFL. Obviously the Bears, the Jets,
the Cowboys, the Jags, I mean, there are some teams
that have some major issues. And there are a couple
coaches I just I think we just have to talk
about because one guy in my neck of the woods
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who was just kicking ass and taking names and another
guy who's just no one should be shocked at because
all he does is win. But you can check this
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those games. The Lions go thirteen and four and they
get blown out thirty eight to thirteen. Sunday night football,
perfect storm against a desperate Texans team. Totally understandable. Jared
Goff just has the worst performance of a season, probably
hurts his MVP chances, might even knock him out of
the MVP race. But what it's all said and done,
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people will forget this game. It'll be a big win
for the Texans in the big picture, grand scheme of things.
It happens, and then all of a sudden, the second
half gets weird. I just want to read a stretch
starting in the first half until midway through the second half.
It goes like this. It's thirteen to seven interception Texans,
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field goal punt, punt, punt, touchdown Texans. So you got
twenty three to seven interception Hail Mary coming out of
the of the half. Start a third quarter interception, interception, punt, touchdown, interception, interception, punt,
punt punt, twenty three to twenty. Then it gets weird.
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I do think, just on a big picture thought when
it comes to the Lions. Part of the reason I
love football. Why football guys, when you hear them talk, coaches, executives,
former players speak so highly of the actual game is
there's nothing quite like it. It truly is the ultimate
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team game. You can pick your teammates up, you can
pick one of the units on your team up. You
can have a bad half on one side of the ball,
and in the second half it can flip flop and
it takes everybody. It truly does. But if I told
you that a team was going to be down twenty
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three to seven at half, and that team's quarterback would
throw five interceptions, what would you imagine the final score
would be. You'd probably say forty five to ten, right,
but instead they win twenty six to twenty three. And
I think that game is a great example of great teams,
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and collins Worth was talking about it just like I
think great successful human beings, successful companies have a lot
of grit and mental toughness. Sometimes shit is not gonna
go your way. Sometimes life is gonna throw you a
curveball and it's gonna suck. Sometimes things are gonna happen
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that are out of your control and there's nothing you
can do about it, and sometimes you create a mess.
And I think that Lion's game was everything. Jared Goff
was off, some random stuff was happening, like balls getting
tipped flying into their arms. Their offense, clearly the cohesion
wasn't there. Defensively, they were just kind of a mess
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and it just looked like a disaster. But the one
thing Dan Campbell has preached going back to that three
to thirteen team whatever four years ago, to the team
we have seen blossom all through last year, go to
the NFC Championship game, and this year what looks to
be the NFC front runner is mental toughness, and they
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ain't gonna quit win or lose that game in the
second half. If that game had not gone their way
but they had still come back and they had lost
by a field goal, you know what, my takeaway would
have been the same thing that teem's tough to knock out.
I mean, they ain't tapping out. They're like a UFC
fighter that I don't give a shit what you do.
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He ain't tapping on the ground. It's like the anti
anti Anthony Richards, like, I'm not tapping. You're gonna have
to knock me all the way out. And that's what
I thought tonight. The Lions just showed this unrelenting will
to play till the final second of the game. And
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I think a lot of teams, a lot of average teams,
obviously a lot of blow average teams, which is understandable,
go into the tank, they just kind of wilt. And
I think it's fair to say that most of the
time the Lions in these situations most of my life,
fall apart and get blown out. But the version that
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we saw last year, and I'd even argue this year's
version is different than last year's version because I saw
last year's team get blown out a couple times, and
it would have been understandable. Like I said, perfect circumstances
on the road, desperate team, a good team, rockets environment.
You just come off a massive win on the road
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in an ugly environment at green Bay, Like if you
had to pick one of the two games to win,
you would pick green Bay over this Houston game. So
they already took care of business. It was like, Okay,
this is not going their way. And then their defense
gets a couple turnovers. So when you see the five interceptions,
I'd push back and say it's neutralized a little bit
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because CJ gave two back in the second half as well,
so they almost cancel each other out. And one big
difference that was on full display tonight is I do
think I'm not saying he's obviously this player or even
this level of player, but Peyton Manning threw an ugly ball.
He threw a wobbly ball. It was like a wounded duck.
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But he was extremely accurate. And what else was he
extremely mentally tough. How many times I remember there was
a game Peyton Manning against the Chargers. I think when
I was in college, did Peyton threw five or six interceptions.
I think the Colts ended up losing the game, but
they came storming back like it was really really hard
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to just break Peyton. And I do think there are
some qualities of the version of we're seeing with Jared
Goff that have some similarities. Cannot move it all, I mean,
actually he can move a little bit better. And Peyton
had a nice little first down scramble to night, but
he's not a good athlete relative to NFL players. Does
not really even throw that pretty of a ball. Was
throwing wobbly balls all night long. But you know what
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he consistently did tonight, especially in the second half, hit
guys in their hands, gave guys a chance to make
catches NonStop. Jameis and Williams made an unreal catch getting
kind of you know, smashed between two and a half
guys right, and the balls all over the map like
a wounded duck. And I learned a lot about Jared Goff,
who's obviously made huge strides in the last couple of
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years in terms of like elevating his play, becoming a
household name, re established himself as one of the better players.
I thought tonight, I mean, he's had some games where
he doesn't throw any completion, throws a bunch of tough touchdowns.
You could argue tonight just in terms of learning about somebody.
If I'm Dan Campbell and you saw the embrace they
had when Baits kicks the game winning field goal, It's like,
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you want to be in the trenches with that guy
because you can't break this guy. It can't get any worse.
He could play one hundred more games in his career.
He's not gonna throw five interceptions, and most guys, rightfully
so just crumble. And he didn't, and clearly their team
does not. And obviously we know how talented their team
is offensively, Like at any moment they need to drive.
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Hit Saint Brown, hit Jamison Williams, hit Gibbs. I mean
there was a play I don't like. If you're gonna try,
you're cool with kicking a field goal, running toss plays,
it could have bit him in the ass. It ended
up not because Baits hit a fifty eight yard field goal,
but like, if you are gonna run it and are
cool with running it on a couple downs, and I
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know sometimes the Lions hit toss plays for big games
because you get him in space, hits a crease. But
in that spot under four or five minutes to go,
Gibbs ended up running backwards. Just just run even if
you're gonna go outside, run like just a traditional outside zone.
That basically triggers the guy on the snap to get
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downhill and then pick his lane. But when you do
the toss, if someone misses a block, that thing get
ugly fast. They got lucky there. I know a lot
of people probably on their couch or being critical of
Gibbs for running back. I put that on Ben Johnson,
who clearly is a brilliant offensive coordinator. To me, in
that spot, if you're gonna run the ball all four
it do something that just gets downhill. Listen, you get stopped,
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you get stopped, someone breaks behind the line of scrimmage,
and you get a negative one yard game. So be it.
But give the guy a chance to get full speed downhill.
When you go the toss play you're getting to like
you know, you're going east and west right away. So
even my natural move and if something goes wrong, it
could just be a disaster. Fast. We see it sometimes
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like when a quick screen or a jail break screen
to a receiver shit, you know, just falls apart and
he kind of freaks out because a guy missed the block.
He starts running the wrong way. I would take that out,
and I think I would imagine Ben Johnson would like
that back. Now, it ended up not costing him because
Baits hits the long field goal and then clearly at
the end of the game hits another long field goal
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after the Texans. It's tough, you know, when you're kicker,
and I saw this with the forty nine ers. When
your kicker you hit the upright, you barely miss Like
it's football. It happens when you miss a kick by
a million feet, it's a pretty big kick in the nuts.
Like as a fan, as someone just watching, if you're
gambling on the game and that kicker, you know, basically
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kicks it out of bounds. It's it's tough and that
that kick didn't have a shot. And I know he's
hit some big kicks before for the Texans, but as
someone tweeted at me, when he misses this year, he's
missed bad and that was a bad miss. Now Baits
is also flirting with the upright, but he got both
in when he needed to do and the reason they
were in that position. I mean, the Texas didn't score
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in the second half. And one thing you see tonight, like,
let me just look at the box score, Jared Goff
did not get sacked. Think about that, Jared Goff of
all like the top, Let's just say twenty quarterback. Hell,
just all the starting quarterbacks in the NFL. How many
quarterbacks in the NFL? Of the thirty two starters would
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you say Jared Goff is a better athlete than it
would be a really really short list Flacco. I mean
even the guys did stink. Like Daniel Jones, excellent athlete,
Jared Goff is not a good athlete. So what do
they do? They build an excellent offensive line. He gets
rid of the ball fast, he knows his limitation, does
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not get sacked. Meanwhile, CJ. Stroud, who actually is I
don't think we quite knew this at Ohio State, but
then he went to the combine and we're like, ah,
this guy's a really good athlete, is just getting destroyed.
Four more sacks night, run around for his life. The
one play where his own offensive lineman tried to strip him.
You know, I think Laramie Tunzel i don't know how
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well he's playing this year. Whenever I watch him, it
feels like it can be a little hit or miss,
but clearly, you know, it's been a really really good
player over the course of his career. I feel like
their guards and center, that interior part of their offensive
line is just having a lot of trouble, and just
their offensive line, like part of it is a unit.
Like you can have weak links, but if you play
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well as a group, you can overcome it, especially if
your quarterback understands it and gets rid of the ball.
I mean, one thing Collinsworth talked about down the stretch
of that game is like, you know, CJ. You can't
hold onto the ball super long in these situations. And
when they got a big first down on that final
drive that put him in field goal range, what do
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you do? One two boom, get rid of the ball.
To Mechi who want an incredible story to overcome cancer,
have a touchdown tonight that that was a really really
cool moment. But you know, the Texans or a team
that I thought was gonna flirt with the number one
overall seed, now they're six and four. They're gonna win
the division because it's in such shambles. But man, you
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got it that they got problems. They really did. Their
defense makes a lot of plays. They're really well coached
because of Demiico, but offensively slow. Something is just off.
And I guess they've been missing Nico Collins, who's an
elite player. Diggs is now out for the season, but
you would think with mixing with a high end quarterback,
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not necessarily right now. But you know, in theory they
have tight ends. They still got Tank Dell, they got Mechi.
They got enough to not score a point in the
second half. That's really really bad. That really is. I mean,
one touchdown in the second half wins you this game
pretty easily. And that's what's crazy to me is I
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thought the Texans were just gonna be so potent on offense.
It's really really difficult for them to score. And then
early in the game, Joe Mixon, who is running the
ball wells like freaking out on the sideline. It's like,
what is going on, Bobby Slowick, you know, you got Demiko.
Defense is locked, they got guys in and out of
the lineup, they're banged up, and they're still playing their
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ass off. But offensively Slowick for a guy that got
held to high regard. He's like the Shanahan guy, little genius,
former PFF guy. Does feel like it's unraveled a little bit,
and I think sometimes we put these guys on a
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Now, speaking of the stuff to figure out, we have
some serious disasters right now in the NFL. I went
out with Colin earlier today and we talked about a
lot of these situations. But I think that we even
need to go more in depth of just truly how
ugly some of these current state of the NFL franchises are.
(19:16):
I mean, especially when you factor in the hype behind them,
it's pretty rare. Like every year you're gonna have bad teams.
Look at last year. Let's just look at who drafted
won Carolina. It's like, yeah, they've sucked for a while, Washington,
like they've sucked most of Dan Snyder's era, the New
England Patriots like they had kind of been bad for
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a couple of years. It's why Belichick was on the
hot seat, right the Chargers, like Brandon Staley's a joke.
This year, we got teams circling that top pick who
some viewed as playoff teams, some viewed as teams that
could win their conference. And if we were just doing
a disaster rankings, I think it's pretty unequival the Chicago Bears,
(20:02):
because the Jets one, they've always sucked in this notion
that they're coaching said, we'll dive into them in a second.
But the Bears finished strong last year and most people
thought that their defense could be one of the best
in the league. You had this number one overall pick,
who I would say, like Trevor Lawrence and Andrew Luck
(20:23):
level hype for three years in college, the hype behind
Caleb Williams started his freshman year at Oklahoma. He has
been abysmal. He has been a disaster. If you just
watched the game today him versus Drake may and you
knew nothing about college football. You didn't know, you never
(20:44):
watched these guys play. You didn't even know anything about
the draft. You didn't know where they were drafted. I
just told you both these two guys are first year
starting quarterbacks and both their teams are kind of in shambles.
But the Bears have a way better team and have
way better offensive weapons for the quarterback to throw to.
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Both offensive lines are not very good. Just watch the
game and tell me what you think after what quarterback
would you rather have? There would not be a soul
that would watch that game and come away and say
they would rather have Caleb Williams than Drake May. Caleb
Williams right now looks like a scrub, he really does.
(21:27):
And listen everyone, and understandably and rightfully so is shitting
on the coaching staff. Eber Flew's dead man walking. By
the time you listen this. Maybe he gets fired, though
I think historically the Bears have never fired a coach
in season, so they'll probably let it play out. Obviously,
Shane Waldron not going well. But if you just watch
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Caleb play, there's no other takeaway than like, this guy's
not good at football right now, and you watch Drake
May play, you go god. I kind of like this, Like, obviously,
Jaden has a more buttoned up operation. Dan Quinn good
coach Cliff clearly a good offensive coordinator. They got some
running backs. Mclaurin's a good player depending on McCaffrey's brother
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catch some balls. Like it's not like they're super loaded
a wide receiver. But you watch Jayden play and you go,
that's a big time player. If you've watched bo Nicks
over the course of the season, you're like, kind of
gets better every week. Is he ever gonna be some superstar?
Probably not, but that guy that's a starting quarterback in
the NFL. Then you watch Caleb and you just like leave,
like what what am I missing? And I'm not trying
(22:36):
to act like I didn't like him in college. I
thought he's really talent. I would have taken him number
one overall, But like that the draft happened, he went
number one overall and he's on the Bears. His star
wide receiver Dj Moore, I think it's pretty clear does
not like him. That's kind of a problem. I'd be
one thing. You know, Dj Moore has got a little
(22:56):
like t O and you know Antonio Brown to him. No,
it feels like DJ's kind of got along with everybody
and played with a lot of shitty quarterbacks and produced,
and this guy is so much worse than every guy
he's played with. He's just kind of snapping now. He
was clearly a justin fields guy. But I think if
you ask him halfway through the season, like, of course
he was justin Field's guy. Look at the guy I'm
playing with. And there were some people and I'm not
(23:19):
acting like I was one of them that said, listen,
this guy can't play from within the pocket. And I
always think like, if he's talented enough, coach him up.
His wide receivers are good enough, you'll figure it out.
But you watch him from the pocket, it's atrocious. His
deep ball accuracy isn't even close ebra Flus. All these
guys are gonna get fired. It's inevitable. It's happening. Could
(23:44):
happen this week, could happen in three weeks, could happen
at the end of the season. This team sucks, easy
to blame. The coaches totally get it. But the quarterback's
been really, really bad, I mean really bad. And the
reason I was a believer in this team. It's like,
how's the quarterback not going to be solid? He's got
Keenan Allen he's got Cole Comet, He's got DJ Moore,
(24:07):
who dominates if I was playing wide receiver. They drafted
Romadonze in the first round. It's like, how, how are
you not going to be just like minimum average? This
guy isn't even close to below average. He's just a
really really bad player. And that effort today to lose
nineteen to three in their last three games fifteen nine
(24:32):
and three, fifteen nine and three, this team is getting
worked right now. I mean today is one of the
uglier games you'll ever see. Like we'll get to the
Jets here in a second, like Aaron Rodgers forty years old.
Their coach has already been fired, Like what did anyone expect?
(24:55):
Davante's not quite what he once was. Their defense sucks.
Gardner probably has has had one of the more disappointing
seasons of any young bright star. The Jets stink. We
know that anyone that bet on them to win the
division is gotta be on drugs, and I mean really
potent drugs, because that's crazy. But if you thought they
(25:17):
were gonna be better, okay, it's like, yeah, there's old players,
but then we had a early evidence like this is
going to be a disaster. Team's old. I get it,
But the Bears being this bad to lose to the Patriots,
who we all thought was an embarrassment as an organization
and as a roster for them to kick your ass.
(25:38):
Oh yeah, the game was in Chicago. I don't see
how you shake that. Like I understand, Like, obviously the
Jets are a disaster. They're not far behind, but we
get it, like they sold their soul and it blew
up in their face and it's over, and this franchise
is gonna have a new coach, a new GM who
knows Rogers retires. It's just it's a disaster. The thing
(25:59):
with the Bears, these are your guys like DJ Moore,
Roma dunes, A, Cole Kmet, Caleb Williams. Like that's your
squad for the next like three or four years. That's
that's that's like your core players, Like that's your crew.
And it's it's like, is Bill waltsh just gonna show
(26:20):
up and fix it? Maybe, but I think there are
enough concerns to be Like I said this to Colin.
You know, if you go back to Jared Goff's rookie year,
Jeff Fisher season, really ugly. That was the year Richard
Sherman I think took him out on this Hideline looked
like he couldn't play in the NFL, but if anyone
could come and just get him point in the right direction.
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Jared Goff in college was a dominant pocket quarterback. That's
what he did well. He didn't run well. It's not
like he had some huge bazooka arm. He was a
pocket quarterback. So if you could do a good enough
job building the team like that was his skill set
playing from within the pocket. That to me is the
(27:04):
number one question with Caleb, Like he just doesn't look
comfortable in that. And that's the thing with Jaden that's
so crazy. It's like, God, this guy's just natural within
the pocket. He's very comfortable from throwing within the tackle box.
And that's something right now that that Caleb I don't know,
and I think he's playing so shitty. Who knows how
(27:26):
interesting this job is gonna be. I mean, this is
not a franchise that pays a lot of money like
the Jets job. Who's gonna be interested in the Jets job? Honestly?
Who bunch of old players, bunch of bad contracts sas
Gardner is gonna want a ton of money. He's not
playing well. Garrett Wilson's gonna want a ton of money.
You got no quarterback. You could argue whoever takes over
(27:48):
the Jets, what you should do. Trade everybody Just start
Just yank that thing down to the studs the Bears,
like it was already yanked the studs. This is your
core like the like was anyone shocked watching that game today?
Team sucks. They do not have much talent on the field.
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I liked Cooper Rush when he had played in the past,
but he played on really good teams. Their defense was excellent,
so he just had to kind of manage the game.
They could run the ball. Now they're handing the ball
off to Ezekiel Elliott, who was just left at home
last week for not showing up on time to meetings.
(28:30):
He fumbled the ball. The Eagles landed on the ball
today again, another symbolic Zeke Elliott moment. Who all I'd heard,
I just assumed they were correct. Super high level guy,
Dak's BFF leader guy people gravitate to in the locker room.
It's like you just left it. How often do guys
that people gravitate to in the locker room at thirty
(28:52):
years old or thirty one years old or whatever old
he is have to be left at home for showing
continuously late to meetings. Of course, the Cowboys got their
ask kick obviously with Dak Prescott being on the sideline.
Even if he had played in the game, they got
no They got no chance in that game. I parlayed today,
nice little hit for me. The Eagles minus seven and
(29:16):
a half in the Arizona Cardinals. Now I didn't feel
going into the game, like, Yeah, what's Arizona at home
as a dog, Like that's just good value. I don't
know what Jets team I'm gonna get, but more often
than not, I get a bad Jets team, so I'll
take my chances. I was one hundred percent confident the
Eagles will winning that thing by double digits, and honestly,
(29:36):
they slept walk early in the game, which is understandable
because they watched his team on film. They're like, this
team sucks. This is the team that we've gone head
to head with for the last three years trying to
win the division. They've won it a couple times, we've
won it once. We probably should have won it twice.
It ain't this team anymore. Then you got Dak or
Mike after the game saying he doesn't care about Mike McCarthy.
(29:58):
You can go read the quotes. I don't want to
screw it up, but it's pretty like it's just like God,
this team is just all over the map, and this
is Jerry's doing. Jerry creates this team. Everyone knows that
Jerry's in charge, not the head coach. The head coach
is a dead man walking. His contract's running up. And
I said, the best thing that ever happened in this
team is to keep on losing a lot like the
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Chargers last year. Because what happened they ended up with
a fifth overall pick. Well that's not just for the
first round, that's every round they found their starting right tackle.
I look up today, McConkie's making a play. Part of
that also is though getting the right coach they got
Jim Harbaugh and the Cowboys. I don't know. I didn't
watch much of this game. I mean I had it
on one of the four boxes, but it was every
(30:42):
time I looked up, nothing was really happening. The Jags
lost with Mac Jones, he threw for one hundred and
eleven yards. He threw two interceptions, and he also fumbled.
I just don't I feel for Jags fans. I actually
think they've played relatively hard in a lot of their losses,
even the day the game was close. But that's a
(31:04):
tough watch. You would I think I would legitimately have
to be paid to watch every snap of Mac Jones.
And I said this a long time ago when Belichick
drafted the guy in the history of the league, Guys
like Mac Jones went on the third day of the draft. Now,
I get inflationary times when it comes to quarterbacks, but
(31:27):
I don't care what quarterback inflation equals. If you take
that guy in the first round, let alone the fifteenth
overall pick, that's nuts. I said it when everyone said
that Kyle Shanahan was going to draft Mac Jones with
a third overall pick, that that would have been the
most arrogant and insane pick in the history of the
National Football League. And I don't even think there would
(31:47):
have been a close second. At the moment he picked him,
that would have been nuts. This guy is a fringe backup,
and as time will go on, that this guy went
fifteenth overall and listen that draft also, I mean it
was historically bad. Trey Lance cannot win the backup job
to Cooper Rush. Zach Wilson is also the third string
(32:11):
quarterback beside Trevor Lawrence, who isn't that good and also
now injured. You know, at least Justin Fields is an
NFL player. But man, couple guys that just need to
get a shot out. Jonathan Gannon took a lot of
shit when they lost that Super Bowl, and rightfully so.
I mean Andy called a couple of players and the
(32:31):
guys walked right in the end zone. You know, the
Eagles probably should have won that Super Bowl. But I've
told Colin this before. I think I've mentioned it on
this show. Is my friends that worked for the Eagles
loved him. They didn't like him, they loved him, and
they all said that they thought that this guy would
be a better head coach than he was a coordinator.
Just a fantastic leader, very very good with players. You
(32:55):
could call this staff like the millennial Cardinals. Gannon is
forty one born in nineteen eighty three. Their offensive coordinator,
bald Guy Petsing is thirty seven years old, born I
think in eighty seven. Their defensive coordinator, Nick Rallis, was
(33:16):
born in nineteen ninety three. He's currently the youngest coordinator
in the NFL beside Buddha Baker. I'm not sure they
have great personnel on defense. For the last couple weeks
against the Bears and the Jets, they played their ass
off and offensively, like Kyler's been fantastic since Kyler came
(33:40):
back from that injury last year. They're nine to nine,
Like this is a playoff team. Their quarterback is playing really,
really well. Trey McBride looks like George Kittle. James Connor
is one of the best running backs in the NFL.
Marvin Harrison was a top you know whatever, five pick.
Reason he's an excellent player. Like, their offense is real
(34:04):
and because of their quarterbacks running and passing dynamic, it's
it's very difficult to play. They can obviously run the
ball with Connor, their quarterback can also run the ball
and passing like he literally can do it all. He
can throw from the pocket, he's accurate, he can throw
on the move. He's got a big arm. He can
stretch the field like Kyler's a free towel. There's a
reason a guy five foot nine, five foot ten, was
(34:26):
a no doubt about it. Number one overall. Pick. I mean,
we talk about some of those guys as Zach Wilson's,
the mac Jones, the Trey Lance. You could combine all
those guys. Their talent doesn't sniff half of Kyler's. The
question with Kyler was always like focus and now he's
got this thing going with the the kind of the
ban Danny. He looks like he'd be a guitarist for
a band that would have been playing at wood Sock
(34:47):
back in the late sixties. And he's jamming because right
now he fucking looks awesome. They are a fun they're
six to four and it's not one of those like
how are they doing this? Like you watch him, it's
like they got real players. Their team plays their ass off,
and their coaching staff is a bunch of young dudes,
and that team is just vibing right now. That was
(35:09):
these last two weeks, and you can listen Bears Jets disasters.
No one's disputing that the Cardinals treated them like if
in high school, the varsity scrimmage, the jv That's what
those games the last two weeks look like. They were
an underdog today at home. The game was never remotely
(35:30):
close in the second half. I honestly thought they were
gonna injured Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers cannot move anymore, and
I don't exactly know who's brushing the passer for the
Arizona Cardinals, but they were flying around. And last but
not least, Jim Harbaugh. The Chargers won five games last year.
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It's November tenth and they have six wins. I'm really
disappointed I didn't do this because I kind of got
talked out of it some of you guys. I like
the Chargers to make the playoffs, and you could have
got it at four to one before the season. Chargers
are in the playoffs. The Chargers are going to be
more than likely the sixth seed. Technically they could be
(36:15):
the five seed, but if I was a betting man,
I would say they end up with the sixth seed.
Pittsburgh Baltimore whinter that division ends up as the two
or three seed, and the loser of that division more
than likely ends up at the five and the Chargers
end up at the six. Possibly that team ends up
at the six Chargers and un of the five, but
either way, here's what I know, and I told Colin this,
the Broncos might make the playoffs as well, and they
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they'll probably be. They would be the seventh seed. The
Broncos are gonna be one and done. They would not
win a playoff game. I think the Chargers are gonna
be the team as like a three four five point
underdog in Round one that all the big money sharps
lay the house on, and I think they got upset
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potential written all over them all. This guy does think
how many coaches? You know? When I was a kid,
most coaches did this. They worked in college football, they
became dominant there, Jimmy Johnson, National Championship, Barry Switzer dominate,
and then they go to the pros. That was always
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the trajectory. Most guys don't go to college, go to
the pros, dominate in both, then go back to college, dominate,
and then go back to the pros. I don't think
we've ever seen a coach like this. Urban Meyer Jim's
rival right when he was a hostate and Urban dominated him.
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Elite college coach beside Nick Saban, the best college coach
the last twenty five years. He couldn't even make it
through one season in the pros. He couldn't make it
through one season. That's how fast they ran him out
of town. He was laughed at. Steve Spurrier got right
out of the NFL within like two years. Bobby Petrino,
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Nick Saban, this guy dominated in college football. Just won
the National Championship, and honestly, the previous year it wasn't
for one of the weirdest Final four games. Should have
been in the National Championship against Georgia. Probably lose that game,
but still should have been in back to back national championships.
Has already been to three conference championships and a Super Bowl,
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and it's gonna go come to the NFL. Had to
cut a bunch of offensive players because his cap was
all out of whack drafts a tackle number five overall,
and all of a sudden, probably by December, he's gonna
have nine wins. I'm telling you, this team, within a
couple of years is going to be a Super Bowl contender.
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It is amazing what Jim Harbaugh is doing. He can
coach in either in the NIL the transfer portal era.
Every coach is freaking out. He dominated it. We saw
him go to a BCS game with Andrew Luck well
before that at a school that should never be good
at football, and beside the Jim ere Jim Harbaugh in
(39:08):
a couple of years of David Shaw is mostly shitty
at football. This guy wins everywhere he goes. I don't
know how he doesn't. Everyone I know that's around him
say he's a complete nutjob, weird guy. Every interview you see,
he's a little out there. But when you give this
guy a whistle and you give him your team polo,
whether you're Stanford, whether you're the Niners, whether you're Michigan,
(39:31):
win you're the Chargers. For one certainty, this fucking guy
is going to win way more games than he loses.
It's a fact, And there aren't many facts in football.
How many guys can I take from college right now
and put on the Bears next year and go, it's
(39:51):
a lock, this guy's winning ten games. There might not
be one. How many guys in the NFL, like I
couldn't just take Kyle she Hanna, Sean McVay or lafleur
and put him next year at Like you pick a
school USC and just have them eleven wins, ten wins.
Who knows? Maybe they would just be thrown off by
(40:12):
the recruiting. They wouldn't even know how to do it.
This guy can do them both. Most human beings, including
like myself, yourself, anyone listening, we're only good at a
couple things. And just because you're good at coaching football
does not mean you can coach both college and pro
because they're like two completely different industries. And yet this
guy's kind of mastered it. And if he wins the
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super Bowl, you could argue that's probably more impressive than
ever given that he won a national title in the
nil transfer portal era and then he won a super
Bowl with the fucking Chargers, that would be even more crazy.
It's like if Dan Campbell wins a super Bowl. Listen,
if Dan Campbell had had been hired by the Green
(40:56):
Bay Packers or the Pittsburgh Steelers, it would be impressive. Like,
this guy's a super Bowl champion. This guy might win
a super Bowl with the Lions. Jim Harbaugh, you know
what his crowning achievement is winning a super Bowl with
the Chargers. If he's able to do that next three
or four years, that's way more impressive than what he
did in Michigan. And what he did in Michigan was
(41:16):
really impressive. Audios, have a good night. What a day
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