3 & Out - Jerry Jones Speaks, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets, Kauff on Campus - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody, John middlecop three
and out podcast. Hopefully you're doing well, getting ready for Thanksgiving,

(00:23):
hanging out with the fam. Happy Thanksgiving. I'm very very
grateful for all you guys. Hopefully everyone has a great day.
This will be the last podcast until Friday, when we
react to the games. So yeah, hopefully everyone has a
good couple of days. We will discuss Jerry Jones had

(00:43):
some comments about McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers on his future.
We will also hit on the three games from a
gambling perspective, who I like. Coming up for Thursday, we
have Lions hosting the Bears, have just an incredible matchup
of de veto slash Locke versus Cooper Rush with Tom

(01:06):
Brady on the call. And then the night game which
is not bad at all, Miami Dolphins going to the
cold weather and playing the Packers. So we will hit
on that. There will be no podcast on Thursday, so
this will be the last show obviously because if he
will be home drink and eating, enjoying not doing much
on Turkey Day, watching some football, and we will have

(01:27):
a podcast for Friday that will also just you know,
for the rest of the weekend. But other than that,
you guys can find all the content. If you're listening
on Collins Feed, make sure you subscribe to three and
Out podcasts. Make sure we're on YouTube as well, so
go check that out and subscribe. And before we dive
into some football, you know, I got to tell you
about my partners in the official ticketing app of this podcast,

(01:49):
Game Time. Here's the thing. Do you know what's right
around the corner Christmas? Do you know what I did
last year for Christmas? Is I gave my brother and
his wife a pair of tickets to a concert, and
I got him pretty close to front row. And he
told me after, He's like, you know what, I don't
know if I could ever go to a concert again
without sitting that close. I'm like, hey, it's what Game

(02:10):
Time does for you. They take care of you, because
if you want to go to a concert, if you
want to go to a game, it's the time to give.
Do something for someone else. Get your dad some tickets
to a game, Get you know your wife and her
friends make her Christmas. Get her some tickets to her
favorite concert coming up in twenty twenty five, and do

(02:32):
it with the best app I've ever used when it
comes to buying tickets, So take the guest work out
of buying tickets with game Time. Download the game Time app,
create an account and use the code jgen for twenty
dollars off your first purchase. Terms apply again, create an
account and redeem the code jawgen twenty dollars off down
in the game Time APT today Last minute tickets low
as price is guaranteed. Okay, well, you know the thing

(02:54):
with Jerry is every week you're gonna get some quotes
because he talks unlike every other owner, multiple times every week.
And while he is technically the GM as well most gms.
Do you notice you don't hear from much during the season,
if at all. When's the last time Howie Roseman gave

(03:14):
a comment? When's the last time you heard some scorching
take from less Snead? Right? Is Brett Veach coming off
the top rope with some thoughts on either his team,
other teams, or just in general football. They don't really
talk because once the season starts, typically one, the owner

(03:35):
doesn't get any benefit from ever speaking. It's why Jerry's
such an outlier. Listen, I speak for a living, so
I get it. Jerry likes to hear himself talk. I
guess there are parts even if you don't, you know,
speak for a living, there are parts that we all do.
But Jerry's overboard. It feels a little excessive as of late.

(03:58):
And you know, the elephant in the room is like,
who's gonna be the Cowboys' next coach? Is Dion Sanders
really on the table, which becomes I would say, less
likely with every game they win, because they aren't going
to have the number one pick held. They probably aren't
even gonna sniff the top five. They could rattle off
some wins and all of a sudden be drafting like

(04:18):
thirteenth and unlike the National Basketball Association, even if they
were to hire Dion as their head coach, there just
is no way, like don't draft us, we won't play
for you. That's not the way the NFL works. Someone
would one million percent draft Shador Sanders if they wanted to,
if they viewed him as a high pick. He wouldn't
just fall held the one time. The last time it
happened with Eli Manning and Philip Rivers, Eli dropped a

(04:40):
couple spots like there is no way to orchestrate this
like you can in you know, in basketball, where you've
seen that happen constantly, when an agent can kind of
maneuver their way. We've seen it happen a couple times
in football. But it's really just the difference of a team.
It's not like I have to go to this team
who's drafting seventeenth. Luck. But Jerry was asked about Mike

(05:02):
McCarthy today and about a contract extension and his status.
And when I saw the headline, like most people, you're like,
what did Jerry say? And I think the hard part
about this now is we're gonna put Jerry's comments into
a couple categories because he's got to fall under one
or two things. And when asked about McCarthy's status and

(05:25):
if he could get a contract extension, Jerry said, that's
not crazy at all. And the first thing I wrote down,
if you believe Jerry still is cognitively there, and as
some people that have covered him said, don't sleep on
Jerry being crazy like a fox. This would be a
comment that would ensure that his team doesn't quit on

(05:47):
Mike McCarthy. This is a comment that they just show
life against Washington. They're playing New York on Thanksgiving. You
want everyone in that building to think that Mike could
still be in charge next year and have a huge
impact on your fate. That he is the guy with
Jerry Jones deciding who's gonna play who's not going to play.

(06:08):
Do you get to maintain your status as a Cowboy player.
There are really only a couple guys on the roster
that are quote unquote on scholarship, right, Dak Ceedee, lamb Digs,
maybe Bland if he's healthy, obviously Micah if they extend him.
But you want the rest of the guys to go, Hey,

(06:29):
it's a pretty good deal playing here, right. You guys
make a lot of extra money off the field because
you're a Dallas Cowboy player, and don't think for a
second that I couldn't bring Mike back. So that felt
a little bit like if you assume Jerry still got
a little crazy like a fox in him, That's where
that comment would kind of come as a curveball. If

(06:49):
he is serious that he might resign him it could
just be simply listen, I'm forty, I'm not a huge
fan of change. Professionally, I will do it when you
just realize one you're making a mistake, you could do
something better. The industry's changed or whatever. But I would
say a pretty consistent theme in my life is like

(07:12):
I'm pretty regimented and organized and like how I like
my days and the foods I like eating, and I
stay pretty consistent. I'm not a big, like huge curveball
coming up this Wednesday. Like I understand someone not wanting
drastic changes that I can relate to that some people

(07:32):
just kind of blow by the wind wherever it takes
you see what happens. I could imagine at eighty two
years old, Jerry ain't really excited about hosting interviews for
future coaches and then having to help out and you know,
sign off on new coordinators, new position coaches, probably feels

(07:54):
like a pretty big pain in the ass, which, like,
even if it should happen, part of that also is
like new schemes getting rid of some players. It is
just a huge, huge undertaking. And I've been at eighty
two years old, he was praying to God this would work.

(08:14):
And the third maybe he's just completely out of it
and just everything he says completely doesn't matter, which is
obviously on the table. The older you get that your
comments hold less and less weight, and who knows what
to believe anytime he talks, because he's kind of all
over the map. And I think it's probably a combination,
a little bit of everything. But one thing I do

(08:36):
believe coming into the season, as this season is unraveled
and as everything has taken place, no owner wants to
go on a coaching search if they can't avoid it.
Like in a perfect world, can you imagine what a
pain in the ass of coaching search is. One It
takes a ton of time doing something that is a

(08:59):
really education guests at best, which has proven over and
over and over again that even if you know what
you're doing and have the right intentions and have the
right focus on who you're looking for, it's still a
low percentage that you are going to hit a home
run higher. So I don't even blame Jerry for just

(09:20):
wanting to avoid this and praying that Mike can just
rattle off some wins somehow get this team to like
eight or nine wins and be like, you know what,
let's just keep this rolling for a couple more years.
Here's a two year, seventeen million dollar contract extension. But
you know, Jerry finds a way to keep making news.
And the other thing is, you know what's funny is

(09:41):
you know when you read explosive articles like the one
that came out about Aaron Rodgers and the Jets last week.
For most of my life at least, I just assumed
everything was true, like when you read because anytime that
a sports journalist writes an article and you get like,
this is the reason he was fired. Then he stopped

(10:02):
talking to the owner, and the owner had it out
for him. You put all these pieces together about a
player and an agent or whatever, You're just like, this
is crazy. And I read an article recently and then
I texted someone involved in that organization and they're like,
you know a lot of that article and this is
not someone that had an agenda or anything. Honestly, didn't

(10:24):
even care. It didn't even really impact him. He was like,
it wasn't even true. It was actually the opposite of
what was written. And obviously, everything that's going on in
society right now, with a lot of the legacy media,
from newspapers to some of the prominent news channels that

(10:44):
are dying on the vine right now, a lot of
people try to justify it for different reason reasons. The
changing of the landscape, the Internet, the options. I do
think there's just of I don't really believe what I'm
being told, So if you you lose credibility with me
as a consumer, I no longer come back to you.

(11:05):
Obviously there are other factors, but sometimes you read an
article and you just assume everything is true, Like about
Aaron Rodgers when it came out that he was denying,
you know, scans on his body, that he was telling
people that you know him, and would he hate each other,
that hell Wood he wanted him benched, did all these

(11:27):
different elements, and I think sometimes you got to take
some of this stuff with a grain of salt. But
same thing. When Aaron Rodgers asked about McAfee, like I did,
he denied at all, said one, I haven't told anybody
about what I plan on doing in twenty twenty five,
but I've never declined a MRI or scan on a

(11:48):
body part when I'm with the Jets. And I think
all this stuff makes for great headlines and it explosive
stories because his name Aaron Rodgers, and he's one of
the more polarizing players in sports. He's kind of the
lebron of the NFL. When you just put him into
a story, people just gravitate to it, and when you

(12:10):
read it, you are just, you know, probably gonna believe
it because so much crazy shit has happened that is,
it is believable. But my take would be on just
the entire Rogers situation is that none of it really matters.
That the next coach and the general manager will determine
what happens to him. And he even said as much

(12:32):
today of like, there is so much unknown that's out
of my control. Who's going to be running this operation
that we know is going to be two brand new
people that everything's on the table. And that's the way
it works in the NFL, right because these contracts aren't guaranteed,
and when new coaches and new gms come in that

(12:52):
we usually see players up for graps. There's no telling
that like next year, Sas Gardner could be on the
trading blow around the combine in free agency, or Garrett
Wilson like that's or Breece Hall. I'm not saying that's
going to take place, but we have seen way crazier.
It happens all the time. John Gruden got the Raider

(13:13):
job and six months later Khalil Mack was on the
Bears in the prime of his career at the second
most important position in the sport, so everything would be
on the table, especially when you're talking about a forty
year old quarterback who doesn't quite look like himself. But
I just think you just you read some of these stories,
and trust me, I'm no different than you. I I'm like, damn,

(13:35):
this is whoa whoa damn wood he geez, Aaron, And
then you start texting around and you're like, ah, it's
not really the way it played out, like that's not
what happened. And I think, listen, this is a problem
that you don't you just assume things are true. And
I do feel for you know, coaches or definitely players

(13:56):
when some of this stuff historically has been you know,
report and it just might not be true. And I'm
not defendant, Aaron, I don't really give a shit, but
I just think the Jets situation is just so far
out of whack that you could write anything and it
would be believed because it is believable. But this whole

(14:17):
situation is going to be ultimately determined by you know,
who's running the operation in the coach and the general manager.
Getting some holiday shopping done this weekend. Pick up some touchdowns.
They're on sale at DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sportsbook partner

(14:39):
of the NFL. What else would you expect from the
number one place to bet touchdowns? DraftKings has a door buster,
profit boosts, and bet one get one promotions on all
type of touchdown bets. Be sure to check the DraftKings
Sportsbook app all weekend for flash deals that will have

(15:03):
you dancing in the end zone. Grab some tds with
DraftKings Sportsbook. They're on sale from Thanksgiving through Cyber Monday.
Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app. Use the code John to
opt in. That's quote John only on DraftKings. The Crown
is yours.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Gambling problem called one eight hundred gambler in New York
called eight seven seven eight Hope and Y or text
hope and Y four six seven three sixty nine in Connecticut.
Help is available for problem gambling called eight eight eight
seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or visit CCPG
dot org. Please play responsibly on behalf of Boothill Casino
in Resorting, Kansas twenty one and over. Agent eligibility varies
by jurisdiction. Voyd and Ontario. One bonus bet per customer

(15:42):
based on amount of initial touchdown bet and expires one
hundred and sixty eight hours after issuance. One single use
boost per customer that only applies to winnings. See sportsbook
dot DraftKings dot com slash promos for additional terms and
responsible gaming resources. Kay, let's dive into the Thanksgiving Day games.
All these lines presented by my friends at Draftkinks. I'm

(16:04):
gonna need to I'm gonna need to gamble because we're
getting this place called Tom's Thumb. We didn't travel back
to northern California, so we're just hanging out here.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Uh, pretty low key. We ordered Thanksgiving meal because it's
gonna be the two of us from this place called
Tom's Thumb, which is guy Fieri did ah did one
of his dinners, Diners, drive ins, and dives there. It's
basically a gas station, which is an incredible barbecue joint.
And then we saw on Instagram that they also do

(16:38):
catered Thanksgiving where you can basically go pick it up
for like two to four people. I'm like, shit, let's
do that. So we're doing that. I'm gonna get you know,
just eat an unhealthy amount of food, because that is
just kind of what you do on Thanksgiving. Maybe order
some pie. I'm not a huge pie guy. Like I've
never liked pumpkin pie. With this meal, you had the

(17:00):
choice of pumpkin pie or sweet potato pie. I hate
pumpkin pie. I just went with sweet potato pie, partly
because I've never had sweet potato pie. And the lady
on the phones that actually it's pretty good. People like it,
so I'm like, let's get it. But like I don't like.
I don't venture that far when it comes to desserts,
you know, ice cream, chocolate cake, click. I don't get

(17:23):
too crazy, but I guess sometimes on Thanksgiving you got to,
you know, deal with the hand that you're dealt. So
maybe we'll order separate pie from somewhere else. But I'm
very excited to eat a lot of food and watch
a lot of football, even if these games aren't great.
And Tom Brady's you know, learning a lesson that this
thirty seven million dollar contract is going to force you

(17:44):
to call the afternoon game, which is always going to
be in Dallas. So you better pray that the Dallas
Cowboys are good, because if they're not your Thanksgiving is
going to be ruined by Cooper Rush. But the morning
starts with the Lions and they are a ten point
favorite at home against the Matt Eberflus led Chicago Bears.

(18:05):
And I was thinking, last Thanksgiving we had my family
actually all came to Arizona, and I remember having the
game on and remember at the time, Jordan Love's season
had been pretty up and down, more down than up,
and in that first half he was remarkable and they

(18:26):
were up I think twenty three to six a half,
and I remember thinking, like, didn't the Lions lose like
forty to ten last Thanksgiving? And I looked and the
final score was twenty nine to twenty two. Now, the
Packers scored eight points, or excuse me, the Lions scored
eight points in the fourth quarter to make that score
a little closer. But I think if you ask most

(18:49):
people what happened last year's the Lions on Thanksgiving, is
it got their ass kicked. I think we would agree
on that. And here's the thing about the Lions, right,
They've always got a Thanksgiving Day game and it was
always kind of their super Bowl because their teams usually sucked,
so it was like really the one time of year
if you're not a Lions fan that you're kind of
forced to watch them start to finish because for a

(19:09):
lot of the last twenty plus years, they weren't playing
Monday night games, they weren't playing primetime games like that
was their big moment for a team that typically wasn't
that good. And then they finally get good and they
host the game against the Packers, who Aaron Rodgers is
now gone, and they get killed. So to me playing
the Lions, who are clearly better this year, well, it's

(19:30):
the Bears, not the Packers. I think that they are
going to try to be like what happened to us
last year on Thanksgiving. Fuck that we are not allowing
that to happen again. I would regardless of who they
were playing, I wouldn't want to be in this spot
playing Detroit in Detroit after last season. I can't even

(19:51):
imagine how many times Dan Campbell brought up the egg
that they laid last year on Thanksgiving, which now like
their substance behind them playing by far, of the six
teams playing, they are clearly the best. There's a gap
between them and the Packers. I mean, hell, we just
saw the Lions went on the road in Green Bay
in a rainstorm and kicked their ass, So I would

(20:14):
not want to be Chicago. Now. On the bright side,
like I'd be tempted to lay the ten points for
the Lions, but the Bears, once they fired Chane Waldron
are actually playing pretty well. Two weeks ago, they lost
twenty to nineteen, all because the field goal got blocked. Now, granted,
a field goal got blocked the exact same way the
following week, which cost them in a game that they

(20:36):
lost by three points in overtime, but again they were
just in overtime. So back to back weeks against an
eight to three team and a nine to two team,
they usually could have won both games. Now, I would
say they had a much better chance of winning the
Packer game, given that they were up in that than
the Minnesota game that they needed to recover an on
tight kick. But still like it was very admirable the
way they have played, and their quarterback looks a lot better,

(20:58):
their offensive weapons look a lot better. DJ Moore looks
a lot better. So I take I could not bet
on Matt Eberflus. I refuse to do it, and ultimately
I think if they lose this game, especially if the
Lions cover. Eberflus has getting fired Friday or Saturday written
all over it make Thomas Brown, the interim coach, give

(21:20):
him like a trial run. The Bears have lost five
straight games, five straight games. Now, I would say there's
a clear line between the moment they fired Waldron like
the games they were losing to Arizona and New England.
They have looked like a different team the last couple
of weeks because their offense has been I would say

(21:41):
more than credible, and Caleb Williams has looked like a
number one pick. But I just I don't know, man.
I have a hard time. This is gonna be a
stay away from me because the only place I could
go would be the Lions. I just can't trust Eberflus.
But you gotta take the Bears getting ten points given
the way they've played the last two weeks pretty solid

(22:04):
though morning game. The next game, which I would say
look pretty questionable on paper six months ago, looks dramatically worse.
As we sit here on Tuesday afternoon, Tom Brady might
be on an island and have to entertain us for
three hours. In a final score that could be like

(22:25):
I don't know, eighteen to ten written all over it,
Cooper Rush against Tommy DeVito, who's are injured could be
Drew Lock. I actually think if Drew Lock plays, that'd
be somewhat of an it, Like if you're the Cowboys,
you would rather play Di Veto than Drew Lock. But
this is why, Like, to me, the story of this

(22:45):
game is just simply Tom Brady. You know, he's trying,
he really is. I think Dan Patrick summed it up
pretty well. Sometime in the last I don't know, a
couple months, I saw a clip of him on the internet. Like,
it's not Tom Brady's fault that he doesn't know what

(23:05):
good TV is. How would he He was paid three
hundred and fifty million dollars because of his name, because
of the brand. He's not a TV guy. Tom Brady
was a football player. Like when you watch Joe Buck
and Troy Aikman, it's like those kids are TV guys.
They've been doing TV now. I mean Joe Buck for
his entire life, and Troy has been a full time

(23:27):
right hand analyst for over twenty years. You know, even
you know, Tony Romo was just his personality just was
a pretty easy transition. It had a happier Gruden meets
Madden type feel, and it was easy to see why

(23:50):
he excelled. Collins Worth is just a television star. Those
guys can just kind of entertain and I'm interested to see,
you know. I just watched Tom call the Packer Niner games.
It's been rough, and I don't blame him. It's not
like they gave him this spotlight. Obviously, I don't what
was he's gonna do turn down three hundred and fifty
million dollars to call NFL football games When he can

(24:11):
fly day of the game or day before the game
on a private jet. It's pretty fucking good gig if
you can get it. But it could be rough, so
buckle up, have a stiff cocktail, you know, depending on
where you live. Right around kickoff now, I would say
the game of the day clearly is the night game,
and for the most part, it feels like because the

(24:32):
Cowboy and Lions game, depending on the year, can be
very hit or miss. Adding this third game, which it
feels like they've been doing for a decade plus, but
in recent memory, we have got good matchups. And at
the start of the year, you went Hey, the Dolphins
have been the back to back playoffs and the Green
Bay Packers are one of the best organizations in football,

(24:55):
so like, it looked a little weird when Tua got hurt,
but since he's come back, they've won three straight games
and it's just a very intriguing matchup. Here's the problem.
It is freezing cold in Green Bay. Decent chance that
the game is in the teens and it could be
snowing on Thursday night, I looked up some stats on

(25:16):
Tuatonga bai looa one. The Dolphins in general have not
been very good on primetime in like their last twelve games.
That game against the Rams helped their record out a
lot because going into that game they were two and
eight in their last ten games. After winning that game,
they went to three and nine, so, or excuse me,

(25:38):
they were two and nine. My math is, John, did
you go to college? Did you listen to high school?
The answer is kinda and no, not really. But coming
into the Rams game, they were two and nine in
their last eleven primetime games. Winning that game got them
to three and nine. So they have not been great
in bright light spots, but where they are really terrible,

(26:00):
and this to me, is a direct reflection of Tua,
who actually has looked good these last couple of weeks.
He's looked like a really good quarterback, look like a
top ten quarterback in the NFL. He has been atrocious
in cold games, and there's a difference in cold games, right,
Like that Chiefs game was frigid. It was like negative
wind chills. I'm just talking games under forty degrees. Under

(26:24):
forty degrees, Tua has not won a game in his
last seven attempts. He is zero to seven in forty
degree or under games. And it's understandable. Doesn't have a
great arm. His game doesn't really translate to freezing cold temperatures.
And then you factor in the franchise. They play in

(26:44):
tropical weather. It's fucking gorgeous. I just a couple days ago,
was that last Friday? So last Friday Saturday, I played
with the played golf with the guy that lives in Miami,
and I was like, what was the weather? He's like,
played golf yesterday was gorgeous, like eighty degrees, no humidity, beautiful.
This is why you know these six months in Miami

(27:06):
are hard to beat. Like, yeah, same thing here, How
do you relate to going in that weather. It's why
I like Seattle last week. It's like Arizona their last
two big wins against the Jets and the Bears have
been in Scottsdale or in Glendale in a controlled environment.
Then you've got to go to Seattle in late November,
where the weather it can be cold, windy, and wet.

(27:28):
It's a tough transition. And what happened to Arizona. They
look terrible on offense, and Kyler is much more physically
gifted with arm strength than Tua. Now this is Packers
minus three and a half. That extra half point makes
you a little nervous. But I have a simple philosophy,
like I will bet against the Jets. I will just

(27:49):
bet against the Jets. Who are the Jets playing this weekend?
I will bet against them. I'll do the same thing
with the Miami Dolphins when they play in cold weather,
as long as Tua is their quarterback. Now, what's weird
what about the Dolphins is you know their defense under
Mike McDaniel has been more than questionable the last three weeks. Now,
granted they have played the Raiders and they played the

(28:11):
Patriots last week, they have held teams under twenty points.
They have played and they played the Rams. They have
been playing very very good defense. I just think this
is a mismatch. Like to me, this has like I
don't know, twenty seven to ten written all over it
and just a physical like we're used to playing in this,

(28:32):
practicing it, and living in it. You're just not. So
I like the Dolphins, and I'm not gonna do something.
I guess I will. Will I talk about the Raider
game before Raiders Chiefs. I guess we can talk about
it after we We will do something in regards after
these games are played, so I guess I can. I
can say something about the Raider Chiefs game on Thursday

(28:54):
night after this game finishes and we record a little
son something. But that spread, I look today, it feels
a little big. Even though the Raiders are in complete shambles.
The Chiefs don't really blow people out. And that's spread
is twelve and a half. Pretty big number, honestly, pretty

(29:15):
bad reflection of the Raiders. Like, listen, we're ten and
one and we beat everybody, but we don't win games
by much. But Vegas thinks you guys are that shitty
likes that's pretty embarrassing, but we'll get into that a
little bit later. Okay, back at it again with my

(29:41):
main man, Jackson, who is truly living the dream. Update us.
Are you moving to downtown Old Town Scottsdale as a
young man in your How old are you? Twenty three?
Twenty four?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
You know, I'm twenty four years old John, about to
be twenty five in two weeks. I tell my mom
this all the time. I'm a single man. I've been
single for a while for two reasons. One invested a
lot of time in college football, so much parody, not
a lot of time when in terms of women and
dates and stuff like that. But my second one, I've
been living in a little studio for about a year
and a half. So now we're we're branching out to

(30:14):
a one bedroom. Don't have to come over. We got
a couch, we got.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
A living room.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
You can come over, John, grab a beer. Like the
studio apartment was just not working, and I think part
of it. Hopefully my dating love life will increase because
I'm in a one bedroom, So that's why it's a
little dry in the background. Got the helmets still in
the back, haven't packed those yet, but yeah, we're moving
to old town. Man, it's gonna be it's gonna be wild.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
If you can't get it done down there, you might
as well just retire because.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
These Scott Stale girls, Man, I just don't know, man,
But it's.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Just the options are pretty Oh yeah, I would say, yeah,
good luck in your future endeavors now in old town
scott Stale.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
You know we'll stay a locked. No, but I'm excited.
We got a ton of questions. College football just continues
to get better and better every week. So I want
to start out here. We've covered the sport fifteen years plus,
is this the craziest college football season that you've covered
or seen? Because I mean, in the top twenty five
this season, we've had forty nine upsets, whether it's a

(31:11):
lower ranked team being a higher ranked team. And then
my second question is so much parity in the sport.
What's rooted all of this?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Well, I would say college football has dramatically changed in
the nil transfer portal era, and I think we're really
feeling the impacts today more than even the last couple years.
Not that we didn't, I mean we had good players
that transferred to other teams, but now the dispersion of talent,

(31:42):
Like if it didn't exist, I think we would see
LSU Alabama, for example, be a lot better than they
are in terms of talent on their roster, and teams
like Ole Miss, who has improved greatly. I mean, they're
a disaster. They're probably gonna end up nine to three,
much closer to the mean of seven or six wins

(32:03):
how they've always been. But they have players that would
have been on the other team's rosters because they can
buy them. And I just think you're seeing these teams
like what the hell is the difference of Like I'm
just watching Oklahoma play Alabama and you just watch the
talent plus conference realignment, Right, Alabama never had to play

(32:23):
Oklahoma on the road, like that was just a game
that did not exist. And I think the more and
more you have to play these games, it just makes
it more difficult. Look at you know, the Big Ten,
just adding Oregon USC, it's just an extra game of
not a Patsy And obviously Oregon's better than this a
C but you know what I mean. So I think
a lot has to do with the transfer portal, and

(32:44):
I don't think this is gonna stop. It's gonna be
a lot more like the NFL. Now, the good teams
are always gonna be the good teams because they have
more money. But I think it's gonna be much more difficult,
you know, for a good team with a tough schedule
to go undefeated. Those days are probably gonna be few
and far between, because it never in the NFL you
have an incredible season if you're fourteen and three, Like,

(33:04):
maybe we need to change our mindset of like ten
and two, if you play in a big conference, is
a great season.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yeah, I saw a couple I saw a tweet.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Actually it was a couple of years ago when it
was the fourteen format and it was like a ten
and two team was like ranked five in the country.
And now it's like, if you're a ten and two,
you're ranked sixteenth, seventeenth, fifteenth.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
In the country.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
So you're right, the parody in the sport at the
transfer portal, it's it's chaotic. That leads me to my
second question, which loss is worse? Nine Ole miss losing
at Florida or seven Alabama losing to Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
I actually think Florida's pretty good, and if you put
them in the dance right now, I think a lot
of people would bet on them to like beat Penn
State or or let me rephrase, I don't think it's
inconceivable that they could beat like Penn State or Notre
Dame on a neutral site right with their talent. I
mean you just watch them, like defensively they got due
to obviously the young quarterback, the young running back are good.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
What's your question, No, you're good. I was just saying,
which loss Ole Miss or Alabama?

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Oklahoma?

Speaker 3 (34:08):
I mean both teams were in the driver's seat, and
now it's like both teams I think I saw Ole
Miss is four percent to make the CFP and then
Alabama's like eleven percent, and people are still thinking that
sec bias, which we'll get into later, that Alabama can
still make it.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
But which loss do you think is worse? I think
we also got to preface this all by both these
were on the road, Like playing at the Swamp and
playing at Norman at night is not easy. Now, Oklahoma
this year has been a disaster on offense. I mean, statistically,
I think their offense was one of the worst in

(34:43):
the country. And from the eye test, they've I mean,
they benched Jackson Arnold, they went to the other kid.
Then they benched him and went back to Jackson Arnold,
who probably had his finest moment in the program. And
I actually give Venables a lot of credit because in
the transfer portal Era to get benched in his shoes,
and he was what like the third or fourth quarterback

(35:03):
in arch Manning's class, Like he was right there Nico,
like he's a hype guy. He didn't like, fuck you guys,
I'm out. He stayed. When I went to the Texas game,
he was there playing catch. I forget the backup quarterback
Michael Hawkins Junior the other day, Hawkins, he was like
playing he was playing catch with him and warm ups
like he was into it. So like you deserve credit

(35:24):
in a day and age where how often in that
situation does the Jackson Arnold ever play another snat for Oakland.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Especially with the whole UNLV thing with Matthew Sluca. He
could have said, you know what, I'm gon a red shirt,
I'm gonna leave, but he stayed. And they didn't even
throw the football in Alabama either. I mean he ran
for like one hundred and fifteen yards one hundred twenty yards.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, I mean I would imagine Jackson Arnold is the
starting quarterback for Oklahoma next year.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
At this pace, if he just can't turn the ball over.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, I would say neither loss is that crazy. Like Alabama,
their team just Nick Saban last year had one of
the greatest coaching years in the history of his Life's
in sane and let's face it, they got a little lucky.
They easily could have lost a couple games, and they
won the Auburn game on a last second. It wasn't
quite a hail Mary because like he threw it like

(36:10):
Aaron Rodgers or Brett Farv he didn't have to heave it,
but it was a forty yard bomb in the back
of the end zone to win the game. You lose.
They're not in the playoff, right, I'm pretty sure they lose.
They're not even in the SEC championship game. No, so
it would have derailed everything. I guess my overall take is,
like I I don't think these losses are that crazy.
I think we act like it's twenty fifteen. Those days

(36:33):
are over all the difference of these teams. Oklahoma's good
on defense. DJ Lagway is really really good. You know.
It's like, I don't know, I don't think it's really
that nuts. This is not twenty fourteen Alabama. It was
a twenty point favorite where if they would have lost,
this would have been there. We've already seen them lose
to Vanderbilt, right, we saw that happen. I think what

(36:54):
makes their season crazy is they, you know, for a half,
they beat the living piss out of Georgia like that.
That's one thing that's like, God, how did that happen?
I think clearly if they played again, Georgia would probably
win right at Alabama at Georgia neutral field. So overall,
take I don't think these upsets are as crazy as
the way we're like, uh you know, uh, not brainwashed,

(37:16):
but just wired with college football all of our life.
Like those days are over.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
I think I was just more shocked by Old Miss
because they beat Georgia at home coming off of a
bye week. Their defensive front looked unstoppable, Jackson Dart looked great,
came back off the ankle injury, and then they just
kind of fell flat to Florida.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
So my next question to you is there's a good
example like Jackson Dart. Everyone's been hyping this guy up. Yea,
he has some bad moments early in the season. Then
they get it rolling a little bit. I mean they
beat Georgia, you know, driving rainstorm. Right, it wasn't like
it was a tough place to play. Carson Beck was awful.
Jackson Dart was making throws in that game that looked

(37:55):
like an undrafted free agent. Like it was pretty embarrassing
his decisions. Now he wore it after the game was
in tears. I saw his price conference, But like the
he threw one ball in the end zone. He threw
in a triple coverage.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, and it was like a minute fifty eight left,
three timeouts on the thirty nine yard line.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Then they get the balls in triple coverage. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Then they got the ball back through two interceptions. One
was dropped, then through another one, so basically through three
interceptions in one minute.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I do think, and I'm not an SEC historian, but
if they win this week, which I would imagine is
the egg bawl, right, they playing Missippi State, then they
win their bowl game. It would be one last year
is the first time in the regular season they've ever
won back to back double digit games, and this would
be three straight years of double digit wins. Like you

(38:43):
guys are in Alabama, ALSU Ohio State, like it's a
remarkable run. You're all miss enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Twenty million dollars in nil though to not make the
twelve team playoff.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
That's just they've been brown bagging people there forever. It's
just a little more.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, that's true. I was gonna ask you. Then we'll
move on to the next one. In terms of Alabama,
I mean, you're a former scout. What's been going on
with Jalen Milroe? Just the inconsistencies from him? And then
my second question is we kind of saw Pennix with
de boor year one was fine, Year two he comes
in and just takes off. Do you kind of thinkuse
Milroe has one where year left that he would go

(39:18):
or do you think there's so much hype around him
that he'll go and probably be a first second round quarterback.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Well, Michael Penix was a pocket quarterback, redefenses, chuck that
thing around like an NFL player. Jalen Milroe is like
advanced version of what the cult were hoping for. Anthony
Richardson kind of run around, makes some big plays. He's
not like I don't think even if he wanted to
come back Kaylen Duboor. If you think about the quarterbacks,

(39:46):
Kayln du Boor became Kaylen Duber with on the national
level was Jay Hayner, who was a fifth round pick
at Resident State, who was originally at Washington, and then
Michael Pennix. These are pocket quarterbacks. Jalen Milroe is kind
of a run around. Remember a couple of years they
bench Jalen Milrow. Last year right in the second or
third game of the season. Yeah, so I think this

(40:08):
thing's over, and I listen. He's obviously a very physically
gifted guy, but when it just comes to throwing the
ball in the pocket, being calm, cool, collected, it's not
really his thing. I saw a clip on Instagram of
AJ mccherrn say, it's kind of like meshing of two philosophies.
The way Dubar wins with his offense is not the

(40:29):
way Jalen operates, and they've tried to adapt, but it's
just hard. And obviously, you know, the best player on
their team, potentially he's the seventeen year old, maybe he's
eighteen now, but it's hard to get him the ball
unless you're just kind of scrambling, throwing bombs.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, in the era of the transfer portal, two people
already saying that he's gonna transfer after this season because
of what's going on this year.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I know this. If I was a quarterback who was good,
like the equivalent of you know, the Penix is the
Boon Knicks, whoever Will Howard, whoever the top transfer portal
become and there we know there's always like ten Ali.
I would be all over to boor in Alabama, wouldn't you.
I mean, with the talent they're gonna have on offense
and an offensive head coach.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
That's why it's tough for him because Alabama was an
Alabama Ohio State are one of those spoiled fan bases,
Like I remember you talking about it on your podcast
a couple of weeks ago about how Alabama fans have
been so spoiled and then you lose two games, you
freak out, you lose three, everyone's freaking out.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
But it's like Calen de Bor was the perfect hire.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
It's his first year. Let's relax. He doesn't have most
of his guys. You're right too. The identity of the
quarterback position is not one that he's used to heading
in like you just kind of just came into mill Row.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, he didn't get choose a gay and what was
he supposed to do? They just went toe to toe
with Michigan and it happened.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Happened in like February, I think too.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
So it was like after the portal and then he
had to wait till spring transfer portal guys leaving guys
coming in. So but speaking of the portal, how do
you view Indiana ten and one after their blowout loss
to Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I don't take him seriously anymore. That second half I
think they had after the first drive. I mean, the
quarterback threw for under a hundred yards. And this Ohio
State team isn't exactly known like some a Trestle's dominant
defenses of the Urban Myers like this is that's not
the vibe here. They don't got Joey, Nick Bosa and
Chase Young running after you. But like they got lucky

(42:21):
because I think if every if Chalk just would have
handled business on Saturday and all those upsets wouldn't happen.
If A and M would have won, Ole Miss would
have won, in Alabama would have won. I would have
said Indiana shod a luck, but like, three losses is
a lot different than one, even if your schedule's easier.
I think I don't even know who they're playing this week,
but PERDW Yeah there, who's I think, like the worst

(42:43):
team in the Big ten, right, Yeah, so I would
have I got no problem with Indiana getting in given
that these teams have three losses. If all those teams
had two losses, I would feel no sympathy if they
got left down. I think they would be in grave
danger of getting left out. But I do you agree,
like it feels like they're in.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Yeah, they're in. I was gonna compare it to like.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Probably the last Power four seed though, whatever that is.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah, I think right now you're gonna have a ten
to one Indiana. You're gonna have the loser of the
ACC game. You could potentially have Clemson South Carolina, depending
on how that game goes this weekend, and then you
would start to get into the Alabamas of the world,
potentially speak squeaking their way back in.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
But I I think it's got to be Indiana.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I mean, it sucks because they're probably gonna get blown
out in the first round, and I kind of compare
it when I went to the Final four last year,
where the product wasn't the greatest because they all the
games Yukon just blew everyone out. So I think if
you're the CFP, you kind of sit back and you're like, damn, Like,
we don't want any blowout games, especially for television ratings,
money wise and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
They've always had. They've always had blowouts. I think the
the t average margin of victory once they went to
the final four from the championship game whatever what year
that start, like fourteen or fifteen. I think the averag
margin of victory in the semi final games was pretty
big for like a six year span, So it's I mean,
it's inevitable. Could you argue that if Notre Dame were

(44:09):
to lose this weekend the USC, they'd still be in
or would they be screwed?

Speaker 3 (44:12):
They'd be screwed too, Yeah, they'd be screwed. That NAU lost, Man,
it's just too tough. But hopefully they can come back
and beat USC.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
We'll see.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
But my next question for you, Ever since I was born,
the SEC has dominated the college fotball world. This season,
the SEC went no divisions last week, Greg Sankie complained
that you know on Twitter that his top teams based
on Shrek the schedule should get in the playoff over
in Indiana, and then this all happens last week. So
my question to you is, how do you view what's

(44:40):
happened with the SEC and do you think the SEC
bias is going to carry.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
On to the playoff?

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Where you were?

Speaker 4 (44:47):
You born ninety nine? Barely?

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, make me feel old. That's a good, good, good
year to be born. You had you born right, You
never even had shitty internet once you came into your
own You just had good high speed Wi Fi. Yeah. Yeah, television, yeah,
half of my life. If you said the word WiFi, know,
people would look at you like, what is that a
dish at a restaurant. I would say the SEC bias

(45:11):
exists simply because Nick Saban won whatever six championships over
the last whatever years. We have several other cam Newton Championship,
LSU Championship, like we have seen other championships. Ohio State
basically lands Urban Meyer when he quits the SEC after
dominating at Florida multiple national championships and immediately takes them

(45:35):
to a national championship and then the draft every year
speaks for itself. They always have the most players drafted.
Like I was talking to Colin about this, and listen,
I get Joel klass loyalties part of the Big Ten essentially,
right Fox and Danny Knell's an acc guy at Florida
State and they just they get so angry at the SEC.

(45:57):
But I think, if you don't have any bias, I
didn't go to any of these schools, I want to
fucking cal Pauly. I just watch college football because I
love it my whole life. If you watch Auburn against
A and M or Oklahoma against Alabama, and you didn't
know like the rankings or who's good who's bad, you
would just think, like, look at all the good players
on Auburn, like their speed, Like how many guys if

(46:20):
if let's just take ten schools in the Big Ten
not named Ohio State or even probably Michigan, how many
guys at Iowa or Minnesota or Wisconsin or Nebraska would
they want off Auburn's roster or Oklahoma's roster on their
Like would they cut immediately their guy to take that guy?

(46:40):
It'd be a ton And that That's where it's like, Listen,
I get like, well they're seven and five, they're not
that good. Just watch them play, especially especially at home,
because their environments I think we have to acknowledge are
way harder to play. And now because the TV deals
I saw ESPN just tweeted out like the television ratings

(47:02):
these SEC games. I mean like five to ten million
people are watching them all night because they got the
night slots now, and these environments look incredible, like I
wouldn't say Norman, Oklahoma is known for like being the
most incredible home field and that place.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
At night was rocking.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
So I think when you factor in like the NFL
talent all these schools have, like they've earned the bias
Big ten could change it. Like what would the Big
ten do if the PAC twelve hadn't dissolved and they
didn't just get to add to Oregon. We'd be talking
about the conference being a joke. It's like Ohio State, Well,
hiwo State's been good. I don't know, I've been a
live forty years that entire time, probably even longer, like

(47:42):
Penn State, no one takes seriously. Everyone's making fun of Indiana,
like what would they be Like they're like claiming Oregon
like Oregan's been there for fucking five minutes. So like,
I don't know the other and the other two conferences
we all acknowledge, like, yeah, they're lucky to get one,
right did you say, like, do you think the ACC

(48:03):
might get two? Now?

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Is that they might?

Speaker 3 (48:05):
They they'll probably get two because both teams being one
loss and if both teams bearing that Miami doesn't lose
to Syracuse next week. I don't know who SMU plays,
but they probably play some lower ranked team in the
a c C Clemson out correct, yeah, they I mean,
you never know what the chaos. They technically still have
South Carolina, so they finished their conference games, so if
Miami or SMU loses, they would get or not SMU

(48:27):
because they clinch. But if Miami loses, they would get
into the a SEC Championship. But it's slim, but they
still have a chance if they beat South Carolina to
get an ass at large.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
So Miami plays Florida State this week, right, I think
Miami plays Sarah No that game, that game already happened.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Actually yeah, yeah, that game already happened.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
But to your point about the Big Ten, like everyone's
complaining about Indiana's schedule, being so weak, like most of
that most of their schedule is the Big Ten Conference
being six and five five and six seven four teams
like it exists, but everyone's ripping their schedule.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
They just played a pretty normal Big Ten schedule, right,
I mean in those teams like we just look at
you just beat the shit in Nebraska, Like you just
don't get that much credit for that, which is not
necessarily their fault. But these are the current the current situation,
the actual world we're living in is these teams are
just not that good. I wish they were good. I

(49:25):
want Nebraska to be good, And every time I watch them,
I'm like, God, Reola is the most overrated player in
recent memory. But that is like, but now, who's Michigan?
Like all the hype on Michigan is going to be
around this Underwood kid, who like all of our lives
that we've been following, Like, college basketball isn't typically like this.
If there's a guy at Underwood's level, like the hype

(49:45):
at that level or Riola's level, even if the guy
doesn't live up to the hype and he's up the
number one overall pick, he's like the seventh pick or
the twelfth pick in the NBA Draft. In college football,
it's like this guy's going to change the program. Two
years later he's like third shrink. Now with transfer portal,
he's just gone. So it's like they were we know,

(50:06):
the sec like whether the hype or not, like their
recruits always turned into big time players, I think the
Big Ten. Some of these schools, the hype hasn't matched
the actual player, which has been a major problem for
you know, Riola being average. I don't want to say
fuck Nebraska, but it obviously had a huge impact. If
Underwood doesn't live up to the hype, which is gonna

(50:28):
be huge, it's going to be a problem. I had
never heard of c J. Strout and I don't follow
recruiting like some but like he just started. Obviously he
was a big recruit. He'st Ohio State. But you know,
it was just like, damn, this guy can play and
that you know. I think sometimes now with the money,
it just has derailed. It's hard. I've heard I heard
a story about Riola. He like lives at the super

(50:49):
nice house kind of by himself with some family, like
Matt Lioner when he was going to school, just like
had a house probably with like Reggie Bush and like
an offensive lineman, and it's those and listen, you could
brown bad guys back then, but it was everyone was
kind of together and you just played with whoever you
came in with the class, and then the class under
you for like three or four years. And now it's
like everyone's kind of it's almost like pro sports, but

(51:14):
also kind of not. It's just a very bizarre time
if you don't have the right culture and you're breaking
off these freshmen for millions of dollars, which are mainly
just the quarterbacks, and then they don't live up to it.
Imagine being like a guard at Nebraska, who's you know,
let's just say you're making eighty grand from the nil
and you're a good player. You're like gonna be an

(51:35):
NFL guy one day. And you see this Riola guy
who everyone has been circle jerking for. It feels like
I'm probably around the program for several years. I think
his uncle's on the pro the staff now. Granted like
they played there. His dad's a legendary player. And all
you do is hear about this and then you start
playing the games. You're like, well, what are we doing?

(51:55):
This isn't really working, And that's to me how resentment starts.
You see it in the NFL. But what eventually happens
The guy gets bench? Guy gets cut in college? Now
with nil, it's harder, you know, it's like, what are
you gonna do bench Dylan Rayola because he has a
bad three game in hell?

Speaker 4 (52:10):
No, yeah, I was. I was gonna ask you my
next question.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
You talked about Bryce Underwood, long commit of LSUD, commits
and goes to Michigan for a guaranteed NILD of twelve
plus million dollars. What if a program signs a guy
like this, expectations got to be national championship or money's
not worth it for this kid? Like what are the

(52:35):
expectations for Underwood heading in? And then my second question
is is this a good move for Michigan because we
even talked last week, like you even said, I have
a hard time paying ten twelve million dollars to a
freshman when I could go out and get a transperportal guy,
five year senior that played a lot of college football
for like four or five or even less than that.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
I would never in a million years. Like the NFL,
you have to draft somebody, but the draft slot where
you pick him is set right what NIL has turned into,
especially you know with recruiting a freshman, it's much more
like free agency. You get to pick and choose and stories.
You know people, and I've talked to some people like
Kirby Smart is not comfortable paying huge amounts of money

(53:17):
for high school recruits at quarterback. So why Reola is
at Nebraska and not at Georgia? I would so to
answer the second party, your I would not be in
the business of giving millions of dollars to a high
school quarterback. I think that is fucking insane. I mean
I watched arch Manning come in that Georgia game, like,
you know, an underrated story about arch Manning that no

(53:39):
one's gonna talk about U till next year, Like doesn
not have the greatest arm, Like he's not This is
not Josh Allen. Now he's I was close to him
when he was warming up. He's big, but he's a
He's like a baseball pitcher that's six ' four that
throws ninety two. He's not throwing one hundred miles an hour.
And I don't think most people realize that. Like, he's
much more like Payden so it's like he's look differently

(54:01):
than I think, like people expect Caleb Williams with an
arm or even Jade Daniels. That's not really his thing.
So I listen, I've never besides some clips on Twitter
of Bryce Underwood. I to me, it's national championship, like
it's some out of his control, Like their team has
to be good. So it's on the coach and the program.

(54:21):
But anything less than being like a potential first round
pick after you know, a year or two starting where
it's pretty clear he's one of the best players in
the country. It is just is a complete waste of
resources because while there's no salary cap like the NFL,
these programs don't have unlimited millions, right, and soon it's
gonna be capped, right.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah, they got fifty million dollars in nil for Michigan
this year because of Oracle CEO and like the lums
they have and stuff too. But you're right, there's no
salary cap right now. I think the NCAA is trying
to get that over. But if you got fifty million dollars,
then hopefully.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
If you have fifty million dollars, it's to screw that up, right,
But Larry Ellison, the Oracle guy. He's not even a
Michigan alum, right, he's just dating the chick that went
to Michigan.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
I think you're right. I think.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Someone I talk to someone that's kind of in the
loop or at least you know, has secondhand heard some things.
This isn't they're cutting him a twelve million dollar check.
It's like a year by year, you know, you get
a couple million dollars, you hit incentives like you got
to stay with the program. But I don't know. Man,
if if you had to say this worker doesn't work,

(55:33):
I would say it does not work. Right. The other
thing is like, and here's what I do respect about Arch.
Arch is pretty low key, right, He's been a backup
now for a couple of years. If it doesn't work,
it's not going to derail the program. It would be
a big story if it just turns out Arch is,
let's just say, not as good as Quinn yours or
something right, because people are gonna expect a huge upgrade

(55:55):
when he starts, which I'm telling you right now, I
think people be careful what you like. And I'm not
saying he's gonna be bad, but people are expecting to
see like Tim Tebow meets Cam Newton meets Kayleb Williams,
like the greatest college football player of all time, And
I'm just not sure that's gonna take place. But I
would say the same thing with Underwood, Right, what are
Michigan fans going to expect when this guy starts playing?

(56:17):
Because fair or not? And who knows these numbers get out?
It's not like this public information. What if he's only
making like a million dollars next year, Everyone's like, oh,
that's fifteen million dollar kid? Does he do you have
to start him immediately? Like if Nebraska didn't have to,
would they have just taken a deep breath and started
someone else and let Riola come into it? Or do
they just have no choice?

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Now?

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Maybe you know, like Nebraska, it's not like Michigan has
better options on the roster right now. But I don't know.
Have you watched this kid play at all on YouTube
or any No?

Speaker 4 (56:45):
I haven't.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
No.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Yeah, I'm like you, I'm not not a big high
school guy. But to your point about arch Manning, like
I think people get so enamored of him playing this season.
He's had some reps started, he's played against Uo, Monroe,
UTSA and Colorado State is what arch Manning has, so
he hasn't faced any type of pressure. So that to
me like when people are so in Ambra by arch

(57:08):
Manning making all these throws and stuff, it's like, okay,
but how about Nick Scorton from Texas A and M
running you down? How are you gonna do? And then
he played in Georgia and he couldn't do anything against Georgia.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
No. In fairness, I mean they got four NFL guys,
but yeah, I didn't looked at their schedule in twenty five.
I would imagine it's not easy in the SEC where
he's gonna be the storm. And in fairness, you know,
and I respect Sark about this, they usually play someone
real in the non conference, like it's you're playing real teams.
I guess overall, I saw some clips of you know, BKA,

(57:41):
who's getting crushed because of their season, and this is
like added negativity on. This becomes much worse. If LSU
was undefeated, it'd be like, oh, Bride didn't even want
him anyway, right, But when you're having a shitty season,
it's like, oh, are we losing it? I would say,
would not shock me at all. If this is not
a big deal at all for LSU and I would

(58:02):
not be And I don't think it's crazy one. I
mean the way you described it and seeing Larry Ellison's
name on all these maybe they just they didn't have
they couldn't compete with the offer. Which what are you
supposed to do? If you can't compete with the offer?
There's literally nothing you can do. And two do you
really want? I just think it's a very slippery slope

(58:23):
when we're talking this much money with college kids, Like,
what the fuck is this guy? And I'm not against
him getting paid, but how weird is it for literally
everyone else on the team, Like Michigan's gonna have some
right tackle whos making a couple hundred grand who might
be what if by the end of the year, he's
a way better prospect than this other guy, And he's like, God,
this guy pulls up in a Rolls Royce. We don't

(58:43):
even see him. He doesn't hang out with the team.
He just gets weird.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
I feel you, All right, let's get back to some
football talk. What happened last weekend. I want to talk
about this team because we're both in Arizona Arizona State
Sun Devils one went away from the Big Twelve title.
Kenny Dillingham in year two into the sudden turnaround.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
What's your overall.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Reaction by this team because sixteen they were picked sixteen
before the season in the Big Twelve and now they're
odds on favorite to win the Big Twelve.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Right now, Kenny Dillingham is might. He's a absolute nut job.
I mean that video of him surrounded by the fans
screaming at.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
The referee with his wife behind him, with his.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Who turned around after he started like screaming f bombs
at him is everything that I love about, like the
type human being I want in my life. Now. They
should never have been in that situation, Like what was
he doing at the end of the game, like having
his quarterback run around for it was a disaster. If
that was an NFL game with what was on the line,
like two playoff teams, he would have got e viscerated.

(59:46):
I mean, cause it it was you started doing the
math when they still had some time out. You're like, Kenny,
how's this gonna work? Like you're still gonna have six
or seven seconds or it was gonna be like twelve
or thirteen seconds on fourth down your quarterback, like, is
he gonna be able to throw it in the air
high enough after running around for five minutes? Even the
play before on third down? Like it was it could

(01:00:08):
have gotten really bad, really fast. I know he was mad,
but it was like, Kenny, you are flirting with disaster. There.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
There was like fifty seconds left.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Fifty seconds left, Cam Scoutabo, one of the best running backs,
gets four yards, You're on the three yard line, you're
up five. Why not score and be up twelve with
forty seconds left?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah? I agree?

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
But what do you make of like their turnaround? Because
I think in the new age of college football, and let's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Face it, the younger generation with now with the transfer
portal and nil, they're more sensitive to hard coaching. And
I feel like a guy like Kenny Dillingham, he coaches hard,
but he's also personable and can relate because of his age,
and I think that kind of translates to their play
this season. I think he's a cool story because you know,
this is a guy that did not play football in college,

(01:00:56):
Like he got hurt a senior year in high school
towards acl here in Gottsdale, like he's from this area.
The first time I ever heard about him is when
I first moved to Scottsdale, probably late twenty twenty one.
When I was coming here a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I played golf with a couple guys at the Phoenetian
and by you know, it always comes up and what
I'm doing and what they do, and we start talking football,
and this guy tells me he's, like, you know, my neighbor.
Their son is the offensive coordinator at the University of Oregon.
He's a big time up and coming coach. And his
name's Kenny Dillingham. And I didn't know much about him,

(01:01:31):
but when Dan Lanning first got the job, that was
his guy. And what he's done a couple of years
later at Arizona State, Like I don't think most people
realize because everyone talks about Deon Sanders constantly and Rightfley,
so I mean Colorado's and they got, you know, two
guys are gonna be drafted potentially like one and two.
Dillingham not only does not have two guys are gonna
be drafted one and two. I doubt they even have

(01:01:51):
a guy that's gonna sniff. I don't know the top
fifty in the draft. He is one win away from
being coach of the year in the Big Twelve. On
Sanders is not going to be the coach of the year,
and you could argue like Dillingham would deserve it because,
like you know, Deon's had a great turnaround, but he
does have the two best players in the country potentially.

(01:02:13):
Dillingham has a white running back from sax State. It's
his best offensive player who kind of is pretty sweet,
looks like Michael Start.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
No, he's phenomenal man. And they're they're transperportal recruiting class
was ranked sixty six in the country. So on top
of that, they kind of call themselves like the team
of misfits but overall just an unreal story.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
They picked to finish last in the Big Twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
I think, yeah, they're picked finish sixteenth coming off a
nine to three to nine season, Bowl ban bunch of chaos.
And then I like him him after talking about how
these players deserve to get paid, because I mean, we
both live here, like Phoenix is such such a big city,
so much going on, so much pro teams, so I
think it's also cool for him to say, hey, let's
start paying nil. You just kind of hope long term

(01:02:57):
that ASU can keep them because I got like this,
if he goes to like an Auburn or like a Florida,
not Florida with Napier there. Now he's doing well, but
I mean, the sky is the limit for him to
be at an SEC school.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I think he is one year away. I don't know.
I saw Fine Bomb saying that there probably weren't going
to be that many jobs opening up this season, so
we might be a cycle away. But he wins. He
doesn't need to win ten next year. He wins eight
or nine again at Arizona State. I think he is
a lock, like to be the hot name in college

(01:03:29):
or one of them, you know, at Arizona State. This
program has been a joke. Herm Edwards got fired well
coach for five years. ESPN's like, we'll rehire you. I
was like, oh, you're gonna talk about college football? He
does a landscaper. No, he doesn't even speak about it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
It shows you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I mean, I had people telling me that Herham couldn't
name half his team like it was an embarrassment when
he was here. It really was. And obviously they had
a lot of good players over the years and it
never turned into much. And I'd even say most of
my you know, you were born in ninety nine, when
I was in college in the mid two thousands and
you were like four or five. They had Dennis Erickson,

(01:04:06):
and they actually had some like you know, they recruited
pretty well, but it always felt like something was missing
and they could never quite get it going. And it
goes back to like, you know, Jake Plummer. They had
a couple of moments, you know, the Tillman years with
Jake Plumber. But for the most part of this program's
kind of I don't even want to stay underachieving because
you live here, you realize no one really cares. But

(01:04:27):
if they could make you care, I do think they
could be a big deal. One. It's way easier to
get there than it is to go to a NFL game,
and it's obviously way cheaper, and you watch that environment,
it actually is pretty cool. Even if you live where
I live in North Scottsdale, you're twenty minutes away from there,
and if they're playing you know, cool teams. I actually
think that they could get a little life. Now, you know,

(01:04:50):
you start getting he wins nine games next year, you
get you know, sixty seventy million dollars offer from some
SCC school. What's Arizona State gonna do? And he just
has to leave because you just go this is sustainable.
And part of the reason he's banging the table because
he knows the only way he can compete is to
pay the players. And I remember when I first uh,

(01:05:10):
I was slipping around channels early on when when he
got hired, and they do training camp in Flagstaff because
it's so hot, you know, in Tempe, which makes sense
in august's one hundred and seventy five degrees, and he
said that someone asked, like, who is that old man
you know at training camp standing next to you? And
he described the guy that was really their only donor

(01:05:33):
that gave Kenny Dillingham a million dollars. I forget his name,
but he's some businessman you know around the program. And
they were fucked because Dealingham, when he first got hired,
said if we don't if I don't raise some money,
I'm my entire team's gonna transfer. I'm not gonna have
a We're not gonna have a football team. And he's like,
this is the only guy that stepped up, and I
and the guy asked me at the start of training camp.
He's like, where do you want me to stand during practice?

(01:05:54):
And Kenny Dillingham said, you can walk to the middle
of the fucking huddle. This program doesn't exist without you.
And it was like, you realize, how, like how can
Dan Lanning relate to that at Oregon or de Bord Alabama.
I mean, this is the thing with Nil. It's kind
of the halves and the have nots. Even this is
the thing with Colorado, Like Dion doesn't have NIL issues there.

(01:06:15):
I mean it's kids are on KFC commercials and all
State commercials like they're living large.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Yeah, speaking of Colorado, spoke too soon about the Colorado
Buffalo's tough loss against another hot team in the country,
like the two oddest teams in the country right now.
You texted me this Florida Kansas or to turn around
by Kansas, but kind of talk about what you saw
in that game.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
It sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Colorado does not control their destiny. The only way they
make the Big Twelve title is byu Iowa State, Arizona State.
Two of those teams have to lose next week. Other
than that, they're not gonna make the Big Twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Title. So yeah, I mean I think Kansas. I've heard
a bunch of people say the stat is the is
the first under five hundred team to beat three straight
ranked teams. They were a priest's and potential playoff team, right,
and then they lost all the one score games. They
didn't just beat Colorado, they kind of beat their ass.
My gambling guy Stucky was on that matchup like two

(01:07:10):
weeks ago. He's like, I'm looking ahead and that's that's
a game at Kansas. They're gonna be a dog against
Colorado if they keep winning hammer that and I had
been betting Colorado. Now I stayed away, but it was
clear earlier like oh, this is the difference. Like Colorado
came back from Texas Tech, but you're like they can
come back. This game there was a physical news to them.
I think their running back went for like two hundred

(01:07:31):
and fifty yards. I mean just even Dion said like,
we got our ass kicked. So I I yeah, man,
it sucks because I think Colorado Arizona State would have
been pretty sweet. But yeah, I mean they got I
would say if you could just restart the season right now,
Kansas would be a problem that they would be a problem.
So I don't even think that lost is that crazy,

(01:07:53):
Like Kansas is pretty good. It's not your typical like
you know, Auburn beating A and M's a crazy upset.
I think going into the game, Kansas was like a
two or three point underdog. Now granted it was at
home Arrowhead, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Was just shocked that Colorado could just not stop him
once because it felt like Colorado would get within one possession.
They need a critical stop. And then Devin Neil Jalen Daniels,
like Kansas probably has like two or three guys that
will get drafted in the top three rounds, Like Devin
Neil's a stud running back, and they held the ball
for forty minutes time possessions, Colorado's nineteen crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I do think, you know, I mean that lost. Drail's
probably the Colorado's championship host with Derail's their bull hopes,
which is a problem for Colorado's bowl, right if you
want Colorado in a bowl that's not a playoff game,
Travis Hunter and should do work Sanders are not going
to play, so it makes it a link.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
So you think so because of Dion or will he
be like you know what we want you healthy for
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
You think Travis Hunter would play in a meaningless bowl
game that's not the playoffs, I don't know, I mean,
it never happens. These guys are the two top five picks.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
The pop tards ball was pretty pretty special last year.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Well listen, I'm a sucker for the Bulls, but I
also think you know, if Dion Dion's gonna be fascinating
this next month. The thing is not that many jobs
are open, and he easily could just stay another year
if he doesn't go to the NFL, which maybe he
doesn't want to go to the NFL. He's tailor made
for college because he got that big recruit that announced
on McAfee's show, and everyone makes a big deal like

(01:09:31):
these recruits if Dion next year goes to Auburn or
Florida State, like his start that left tackle seventy seven,
the number one overall recruit, the new quarterback, like everyone realized,
these guys can just go with him, right, So it's
everyone hypes up these commitments. That same thing with Underwood,
like if Underwood doesn't like Michigan and he can just leave,

(01:09:53):
Like commitments don't mean as much as they did our
entire life where it's like, ah, this guy signed with LSU.
Do you remember land in Collins when he picked Alabama
over LSU and his mom got really mad at the
under Armour game, Like that was a big deal because
it was like, this guy's just going to Alabama. That's
where he's gonna play, Like he's not gonna Now if
that happened, you'd be like, well, if he doesn't like

(01:10:14):
it at Alabama, he can just transfer to LSU. So
before it was like you kinda it was like a
marriage with not really an out with a divorce because
if you did transfer, you had to sit out a year,
and who the fuck wants to do that?

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Last question for you, biggest game of the weekend, Texas
Longhorns at Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
A and M.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Winner of this game will play Georgia in the SEC Championship.
What's your early look ahead and when you look at
this matchup. A and M come off a tough loss
at Auburn, Texas on the road, probably gonna be if
they win this game their best win of the season
because they don't really have any ranked wins on their schedule.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
Texas, though quinn Ewers is dealing with an ankle injury.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
So to your point earlier about arch Manning, if arch
Manning plays, we're gonna know a lot about him early
in a hostile environment at Kyle Field.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
I think Texas could easily this game. I mean, assuming
that A and M just didn't go into the tank,
which they shouldn't, because if they win this game and
they're in the SEC Championship game, they kind of control
their own destiny, right because if they win, they automatically
get in. We saw that game against LSU at night
was insane. I don't know, I mean I I Arch

(01:11:20):
may or not Arch, but quin you weres some some's
been off with that team honestly for weeks. Like you
just watch them play, they just feel kind of lifeless
is probably the wrong way to put it. But every
game is like fourteen to ten. You know, it's like,
what is going on? Why? We know how talented this
team is, we know how explosive their offense is. I

(01:11:42):
mean when I was watch them against Oklahoma, I'm like,
this team is just gonna overwhelm team with talent. You know,
defensively they're stacked, and offensively they have two running backs
who can play the wide receiver number seven is a baller,
but you just get these guys on quick screens and
they can take a fifty eight. You watch them against
like Kentucky's in the Arkansas, it's like this, why is
it so hard for them to get a ten point lead?

(01:12:04):
So I just don't trust Texas. They have been they've
been winning games, which is what matters. But I know
you watch them because your your buddy's on the staff, Like,
don't they just look something just off?

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
I think that game against Michigan, both Youers and Texas,
you looked at them and you're like, Okay, this seems
a national championship contender, like you were just throwing it
all over the yard, that the play calling from Sarkesan
was aggressive, and then you're right, since he got hurt
and came back, they've just been so stagnant and they
haven't really gotten the running game going. They did a
little bit against Kentucky, but you're going to be against

(01:12:36):
a front seven, And I'm worried about the offensive line
of Texas because this Texas A and m front seven
Nick Gorton, and what they have is the second or
third best in the SEC. So if their offensive line
struggles viewers doesn't particularly.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Respond well from that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
But I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
This Texas team, like the odds right now, they're the
third best or fourth best to win and it's like
plus five hundred. But you don't even feel like confident
in betting them because they've been so up and down,
and they've.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Said if they won the national championship stunned, stunned, they
could easily win this week, like it's you know, it's
not like I have a lot of fit you know,
A and M They were down twenty one to nothing
against auvereign teams, so who knows, I mean college football. Now,
they've been bad on the road, but I have a
hard time seeing sark host hoist the National Championship trophy

(01:13:28):
and where because they brought everyone back on offense and
their defense was way better, and they were they were
right there toe to toe with Michigan. They should have
been in the title game. And it feels like, in
a weird way, they're worse. I don't know. Now, they
lost a couple of de tackles obviously, who are really good,
I mean the dude to the Titans sweat the big
guy and Murphy, But still to me, it's yours. He

(01:13:49):
just he just looks kind of as you, what generation
are your gen z?

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Yeah, I think gen Z millennial.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Yeah, you're definitely not a millennial. Well you know eighty
to like maybe ninety nine. Maybe you're the last year
of millennial. I would say he's pretty mid as the
kids would say average, Like to me, he's if I
was a GM, obviously he's a draftable player. He would
just be like I would not draft the player. I'd acknowledge, like, yeah,

(01:14:18):
I third, fourth, whoever if someone wants him. But he's
a no draft for my team.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
That's like what's been the one of the more not disappointments.
But last year he had so much dominant elite quarterback play.
It just feels like this year it's been so inconsistent.
Like heading into the year, it was Carson Beck, Milrow,
you Wers and just up and down the peaks and valleys,
like the two quarterbacks I would trust, right, I mean,
the one quarterback I trust right now is maybe Dylan
Gabriel in college football right now, and then cam Ward

(01:14:46):
is the second best. But he throws the ball interceptions
a little nonchalantan iss But from your side of things, like,
what quarterbacks in college football do you trust?

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
I do believe the nil of putting these guys on
a pedestal, these guys making so much more than their
entire team, these guys being treated completely different, these guys
controlling college football because if they transferred to such a
big deal, like they have a bunch of leverage, has
really derailed the all of my life. These quarterbacks that

(01:15:21):
played in college, even that were stars, you know, from
Peyton Manning to Tom Brady, through the Linered era through Tebow.
Tebo's a good example, they still felt like a part
of the team. And I think now it's got like
the best quarterbacks in the NFL, they feel like part
one of the guys. And I do think it's kind
of thrown off its axis with the amount of money

(01:15:43):
these guys are being paid. Like imagine playing for Georgia
being like the pass rusher Walker who's gonna be I
don't know, a top ten pick and knowing that Carson
Beck gets like three times as you if it's the NFL,
Like listen, it is what it is. They're pay scales,
Like in what world I getting paid five hundred grand
and we're paying this guy a couple million dollars. I mean,

(01:16:06):
because as you get older, you mature a little bit.
At twenty years old, the fucking no way, I'd be
like what And I just and he's living on his
own in a high rise. It's a massive house, and
I'm you know, just I just think it's it's a
lot for young people to handle. And I wonder if
when you watch these teams play that they don't feels

(01:16:26):
like cohesive like usually in college even unlike the NFL,
like you'd have the same group of guys together forever,
and now it's like guy's moving and shaking, this guy's gone,
this guy's coming. The quarterback just feels not that they
haven't always, but I think now knowing how much they're
getting has to throw people off on the team. There

(01:16:48):
has to be some resentment. These are human beings and
these quarterbacks are struggling. That's the thing. Like, So if
you're a wide receiver on Texas, even if you're getting
broken off and you're making seven hundred grand, you know,
VI, youwrers is making millions. Like even if you like Arch,
you're like, we know, I'm paying this guy five million
dollars is crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Yeah, Nil is just I don't know, man, I think
heading into NIL, I thought, specifically for me, I thought
NIL was just for like brand deals and for sponsorships,
for these kids to make money on their name, image
and likeness. And now it's just turning the Tampa.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Yeah, yeah, that's it was. How was it not going
to be that way? Because remember early on the NCAA
was adamant that you had to separate the collective. Well
that's no longer the case. The programs all run in it.
They've just kind of waved the white flag. And these
NIL deals, like Underwood was literally that's not NIL, that's
we just bought them, which again I'm not against, I

(01:17:45):
don't care, but if if you're trying to run a
football team and win big, like how did Harbad just win?
With that group? It felt like they were all together,
like JJ was no different than Blake Korum, that was
no different than all the defensive guys that all got
drafted like that. And now it feels like, how is
Underwood gonna show up on campus the first day and

(01:18:05):
few himself as an equal? How could he?

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Do you think Charon Moore is gonna have to probably
change his offense too, because if you're Underwood. You're not
going in there handing the ball off as much as
Orgie did this year and JJ McCarthy did. I guess
did throw the ball a little bit. But you're not
gonna have a Penn State game out of Bryce Underwood.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
I think he's gonna have to recruit unlike Jim and
more like the SEC schools of like getting wide receivers.
You know, that's just that wasn't Jim's deal. Offensive defensive lineman,
running backs, quarterback, could be the game manager. You don't
pay twelve million. Now, you could argue that's what the
money's for. Do what we tell you. But part of
I mean Ohio State like why they dominate is they

(01:18:47):
have awesome They have good quarterbacks, but they also have
incredible wide receivers. When's the last time Michigan had like
the equivalent of that at wide receiver. I mean they're
guys like, wait, Nico Collins went to Michigan. You don't
even realize it because the guys in college they stink
or they just don't do much because that's not never
how Jim played. I mean, look at Jim now, he's
like best receivers lad McConkie. It's like a it's like

(01:19:07):
a dream come true.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Giving US White boys a chance on wide receiver. I'd
love to see it. But that's all I got. Man,
college football, unbelievable. It's incredible, manez it is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
It's been a it's been a fun year. So we are.
We just got I guess the conference championship games next week,
so we will talk once we have a good idea
who's playing who and uh, obviously they're gonna be some
serious for the first time ever playoff burst on the one, uh,
and I think we'll have a pretty good idea. I
would say, what do you think maybe beside one spot

(01:19:40):
of the at large bids we'll kind of know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Yeah, And I think a team that loses in the
conference championship, I think they've said they're not gonna get
penalized unless it's like obviously an A and M who's
already had three losses, they're gonna get knocked out. But
if Georgia loses the A and M, let's say an
Er beat Texas and there they lose to him, they're
still gonna get in.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
I think it's fair to say whoever gets the SEC
championship game, there's a pretty good chance that both the
schools get there. What's A and m's record right now?

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
A and M's eight and three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
So you're saying, if they lost, they'd have a fourth loss.
That'd be interesting, well in them if an M loss,
they probably get knocked out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Four losses, you would say. But then it's like the
extra game. They had a game win against Texas, but
then they win, they're in, and then Georgia would get
in as well as a three loss team, and then
you have Texas as a two loss team, you would
have Tennessee in the mix too. So then for the
SEC's purpose, if you're Greg Senki, I think you kind
of want AM to win the SEC, so you get

(01:20:39):
four teams in versus three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Yeah, I would be stunned, no matter how the gymnastics work,
if the SEC is not have four teams representing them.
I don't know exactly, it's it's a little convoluted right now,
but I think you know the Big ten ain't getting
four teams in the SEC. Getting three, I think that
would be you talk about us think, because they'd point

(01:21:02):
right to Indiana and Penn State be like this is
a joke. Those teams Penn State. Out of the two
of them, they've played two real games and they both lost.
At least Penn State could hold their head high. I
mean that wasn't like I mean, they lost by touchdown
at home, but still it's like that was a bad
loss given they were up whatever seven nothing before you
could even blink, and then kind of got worked from there.

(01:21:23):
But Indiana, I don't think you can let Indiana in
and let some of these you know, SEC teams go
play in some random bowls that no one's gonna care
about anymore beside us gamblers.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Signetty's gonna be pissed if he doesn't get in, He's
gonna be pissed.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Okay, Jackson, enjoy old town Scottsdale, and we will talk
to you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Appreciate you better lighting new apartment next week. Appreciate you,
John Audios

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
The volume

All Episodes

3 & Out - Jerry Jones Speaks, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets, Kauff on Campus

Episode Transcript

Hosts And Creators

Colin Cowherd

Jason McIntyre

Popular Podcasts

Good Game with Sarah Spain

Dateline NBC

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}3 & Out - Jerry Jones Speaks, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets, Kauff on Campus