3 & Out - Philly is a powerhouse, KC is still a great team, What's going on with Deebo

John is back and he dives into what this Super Bowl win means for the Eagles and how they have turned into a powerhouse in the NFL. Next, John talks about how despite the loss, KC is still a dominant team in the NFL and people should still consider them one of, if not the best team in the league. Later, John gives his take on the halftime show.

Later, John answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment.

5:04 - Eagles are Super Bowl Champs

23:12 - Conversation around KC

30:38 - Other NFL news

35:09 - Halftime show reaction

48:18 - Mailbag

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
How are we doing?

Speaker 1 (00:17):
John Middlecoff to renow podcasts. Hopefully everyone is doing better
than me, because on Saturday morning, I woke up and uh,
I thought it.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Was a little just hungover.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I had had a long week and then went to
the golf tournament on Friday and had a long day.
I was like, you know, I'll shake off the cob
webs and be okay by lunchtime, and it just got
worse and worse, and then Sunday I felt like I
had the flu. And I felt like that again on Monday,
and I was like, I thought, I shook this thing

(00:48):
two months ago, How is it back? What is going
on here? And that is just not the case because
I think I got hit with two point oer version
of it. I thought I had the immunity, but I
guess the immunity doesn't work with a flu because it
kind of came back. And on Tuesday afternoon, here I'm
definitely feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Better, but.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I would say still I don't feel great, so it's
kind of sucked. That's why I haven't done a podcast
in the last couple of days, because I was just
feeling terrible. I mean I was kind of bedridden on Monday.
Not as stuffy and have it as bad as I
did a couple months ago, but definitely with the body
aches and the lethargic it sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I hate getting sick.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
But I said, I'm doing a podcast today because I've
had a couple of days to let the Super Bowl marinate,
see everyone's takes. I've seen it all. So we'll talk
about the Eagles, the Chiefs halftime, some other NFL stories
as well. We also will do a little mail bag
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(01:52):
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(02:13):
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(02:33):
little football. I did want to start with this because
I had I have.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Lived in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I moved there in twenty ten and I lived in
South Philadelphia probably, I mean, I don't know, a five
minute bike ride to the facility, a two minute car ride,
and then my second year, I lived downtown, very very
close to the Art Museum, which are the steps that
Rocky runs up. So I spent twenty four months living

(03:06):
in the city coming from California that I had never
been to, and then honestly I didn't know that much
about and I found myself beside the Winners, which are
extremely cold, like all these Northeast cities, finding myself loving
the place. And a big reason for that was I

(03:27):
loved the people, and I think people of Philadelphia I
could relate to kind of chip on their shoulder. They
viewed themselves as the underdog, and there was just, I
don't know, there was an underlying toughness to the city
that I really appreciated. It really resonated with me. I

(03:47):
don't know if it was the way I grew up,
the people I was around through my dad, my friends
and family growing up, something about it. It just I
really really instilled to this day have a the city
of Philadelphia in terms of what the people stand for,
the toughness, kind of the small business oriented operation. How

(04:11):
so many generations have grown up in the close knit community.
You know, Big Dom has become such a fixture in
football talk, but I do think he represents a lot
of when you think about Philadelphia, like Dom knows everyone
in the city. And I bet most people that have
lived in the city of Philadelphia for several decades could

(04:34):
play like one degree of separation to Don Desandra, and
that can't be said like where I'm sitting right now
in Scottsdale, that's not like that. Los Angeles is not
like that. San Francisco is not like that. Vegas is
not like that. And that's what you get in Philadelphia.
And there was this ethos in this soul of we

(04:56):
are a big, big underdog, we know it, we embrace it,
and fuck it, let's roll. I think the problem for
Philadelphia who treats their football team.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
They love their sports.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
It is a great sports city, but the Eagles are
held to a much higher regard in the city than
the other teams. And that this was based on my
experience in twenty ten, eleven and twelve in twenty twenty five,
it ain't even close. The Eagles would be treated like

(05:29):
they would treat Alabama football in Tuscaloosa or LSU football
and Baton Rouge, and they love the Phillies. They probably
don't really like the Sixers now and they like the
Flyers when they're good. But the Eagles are no longer
the underdog, you know. And a huge part I think
of that mentality was we're not in New York, the

(05:50):
big number one market, the glamorous market, a market where
people aspire to move to and live a city, and
it is viewed in much higher regard than our city.
And I personally there was something that you know, growing
up in northern California, part of San Francisco that makes
it pretty special. Definitely did when I was a kid,

(06:12):
going there a lot and living there in twenty thirteen.
Is for one of the major cities in the world,
it is kind of small, and Philadelphia has that well.
It's a big, major market in America. It doesn't have
like some overwhelming feel like New York. But you pulled

(06:32):
the average American to rank New York or Philadelphia, they
would always rank New York ahead of Philadelphia. And think
about Washington, d C. I mean that's where the president lives.
So people always hold DC in a higher regard than Philadelphia.
So they have like this chip, we're not as good
as those other places. And like I said that, for

(06:53):
whatever reason, I can relate to that, and I appreciate that.
But when it comes to sports and what it comes
to the National Football League, like you're no longer some
little underdog, like you're the top dog, you're the bully.
You have not only one of the best owners in
the National Football League, but I'd argue Jeffrey Lurie is

(07:14):
now pretty well established as one of the best owners
in all of professional sports, not just in America but worldwide.
Your general manager, I would say, if you did a
poll right now, he would clearly be the.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Number one ranked general manager.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
And even on some of his bad years, he like
he's a lock top two or three GM in the NFL.
So you have an elite owner, You have an elite
GM in a personnel based operation. And then we look
at the quarterback and the coach, like this is not
the AFC. You're in the NFC, where if you remove
Sean McVeigh, look at the playoff teams Dan Quinn never

(07:54):
won a Super Bowl as a head coach. Kevin O'Connell's
never won a playoff game, Matt Lafour hasn't won a
Super Bowl. Kyle Shanahan's lost a couple. Dan Campbell couldn't
even win a playoff game this year against the Washington Commanders. So, Sirianni,

(08:14):
at the end of the day, and listen, I'm guilty
of this. I've said some things that if I ever
talked to him, I'd have to be honest and be like, listen,
shut me up. He's a Super Bowl champ like that
ain't never changing. Same thing with the quarterback, Like the
quarterback has been a polarizing player and we nitpick him,
and that's what happens when you make fifty million dollars.

(08:36):
But holy shit, he played pretty well in that Super Bowl.
He was awesome. And now that's two Super Bowls where
he's been excellent. Where do we judge players very harshly
in high leverage situations, and he's excelled. He's been good
in the playoffs and especially in the biggest game in
the world, definitely in America. He's been good in two

(08:58):
Super Bowls, and now he's won one. So both of
them put a ring on their finger, Like what are
you gonna say? There's nothing you can say to them.
So you look at this operation. Their team is absolutely
loaded with star players everywhere. You got the best running
back in the NFL. They have the best offensive line
in the NFL. They obviously have I mean, potentially the

(09:21):
best du wide receiver in the NFL. They have probably
the best young defensive lineman in the NFL in Jalen Carter,
probably the best young duo at corner with Cooper and
Mitchell in the NFL at dB, your team's just loaded,
like you are kind of the Yankees now, and it's

(09:42):
gonna be interesting to see how they transition from like
this little underdog, this little f you watch us, wait
till we prove you wrong, to like, yeah, you're just
the best team in the league, and you're gonna be
consistently and you're gonna be a heavily favored team going
into two thousand twenty five this fall. Why because most

(10:03):
of your best players are young and under contract. And
like I said, if you have an elite GM, yeah,
Josh Weat hits free agency, Milton Williams hits free agency,
maybe you figure out a way to keep Zach bond,
but you'll recoup, You'll make moves because.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
That's what the Eagles do.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
And I just wonder how the city whose soul is
tied in to that mindset in life, because that's how
it's always been, and it's true, and there was a
substance behind that. It's not like they faked it. They
didn't need to. But now you can't hide from being

(10:44):
the big dog. You've won two Super Bowls in eight years,
You've been to another. You're the powerhouse team in a
conference or in a division that historically has been one
of the most powerful divisions in football in terms.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Of the business.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
The giant, it's the Cowboys. You guys like you're the
division that prints money for the league. For a long
period of time, it was Cowboys Giants Sunday Night Football
Week one. Why because that was gonna be the highest
rated game in early September and it usually was. Well,
now the Giants are a joke. The Cowboys have a
lot of issues, and it feels like you're hitting your stride.

(11:22):
So this notion that the Eagles the little underdog, the
little rocky running up the steps like you guys are
like Mike Tyson or Muhammad Ali. The other thing that
the franchise has always been defined by is having balls,
And I think I was just thinking about they have

(11:44):
been really really good at knowing when to take big
swings and doing things that are quote unquote controversial and
having conviction and belief in it, and it's paid off
huge During the Jeffrey Lourry ownership, people forget, but one
of Andy Reid's first big moves as a head coach
was he drafted Donovan mcnapp and it's a long time

(12:10):
and Donovan went on to have a really good career,
making Pro Bowls and becoming.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
A really really good player.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Pretty sure that got booed because everyone wanted Ricky Williams.
Shows you how much times have changed in twenty five years.
If you didn't take the star running back over the
star quarterback, fans were pissed. Safe to say that was
the right move, but it kind of hit me and
I mentioned this to Colin on Sunday night, like, think

(12:39):
about the moment. There was a I think probably in
the third quarter when the Fox cameras went to Patrick
Mahomes and he's talking to Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz wasn't
just the savior of the Eagles. He was a guy
they were going to build a round and compete to

(12:59):
win championships with until they weren't, and they won a
championship without him, and then things got weird, and then
Howie Roseman drafted Jalen Hurts in the second round. People
forget this, even though Carson was struggling. Then, I would
say universally, but specifically the people that cover the Eagles

(13:21):
and former players thought it was an insane move. I
thought it was an insane move because I thought Jalen
Hurts was never gonna be able to play NFL quarterback.
Not only was it the right move, it literally saved
the franchise because you could trade Carson Wentz, which how
he would do a year later, and build around Jalen Hurts,

(13:43):
which has led to two Super Bowl appearances in three years.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
In a championship.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Last year, when every human being alive, including probably Jeffrey
Lewry and Howie Roseman, thought like, we got to move
on from Nick Sirianni somehow. Usually they're aggressive, and they
pulled the trigger. They were the same people. Well, Howie,
not technically but Jeffrey that had Big Dom remove Chip

(14:09):
Kelly from the building did a couple of years after
Doug Peterson beat Belichick and Brady in the Super Bowl,
fired him, and I think most of us thought, like Sirian,
he's done. But they took a deep breath and they
didn't make the move, which I'd argue was just as
polarizing as all these other things. And they got him

(14:31):
to coordinators and Fangio came in after Miami and all
the players got that Vic Fangio was not only just
an an asshole, but didn't know what he was doing,
came in and kicked everyone's ass. So it's like I
would say, one thing that defines to Jeffrey Lurie Howie

(14:52):
Roseman partnership, and this I would say Andy Reid as
well when he was there, was the franchise just as balls.
You know, I say this all the time, like it's
easy to draft Caleb Williams number one overall in late April.
Every single human will give you an applause, including myself.
I'm not acting like I'm any different. That's the easy

(15:14):
thing to do, But you're not paid to do the
easy thing. You're paid to get it right and time
will tell. But and I'm not saying that we have
that information. They still have a long runway to prove themselves.
But Ryan Poles didn't even bring in Jade Daniels to
the building, didn't even bring him in yet. Adam Peters,

(15:36):
with the number two overall pick when it was universally
agreed upon Jade's the second best prospect, brought the other
six guys into or five guys in together, and took
a lot of shit for it, Like what are you doing.
It's like, well, I'm doing my fucking job, That's what
I'm doing. And I think one thing you see with
the Eagles is like their job is to not make

(15:58):
everyone happy at the time of the move, because when
do these moves happen. They happen in January, February, in March,
and in April. Games are played September through January. So
it's like, you're gonna make some things no one cares what.
And listen, I'm not trying to shit on this guy.
I have nothing but respect from mel Kiper. His draft

(16:20):
grades don't mean anything. He'd give you an f if
you know three years later that guy's in all pro
for you. And no one's talking about that f And
I think the Eagles are just unafraid to do some
things that most franchises just are not. And so when
I see like, how are you gonna what are the
and I used to do this and they've gotten much

(16:42):
more digital now, But how we used to have whoever
was in the final four, the two AFC teams and
the two NFC teams, he'd have up in his office.
And I would imagine he still has something similar to
that somewhere in his office. It's probably digitally now. But
like I said, is everyone's like, how do we build

(17:02):
a team like the Eagles. I don't know, just hit
on a bunch of sweet players. It's not like that complicated.
Make some sweet moves to be in position to land
some of those players. But the one thing that they
will do that you probably won't do is like they'll
do some things that people will be like, what the
hell are they doing? Because that's usually what you have

(17:22):
to do to be successful. I see people saying that
all the time about people in business. It happens all
the time. You get on the Internet, it's like, Oh,
Elon Musk is a fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Google is network.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Sure doesn't seem like that to me, But they've been
saying that about people on the forefront of the business
community forever, whether it's Steve Jobs, whether it's Jeff Bezos.
There are points and times in all of their career
where everyone's like writing them off, can't believe he did that.
That's not gonna work, and you have to make some

(17:58):
of those moves that were or everyone on the outside goes,
you're an idiot. That's gonna get you fired, that ultimately
make you a legend. And that's what happens inside the
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Speaker 1 (19:51):
I've seen a lot of takes with the Kansay Chiefs
and Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
It's like guys, the.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Goat and the tom Brady debate is fun and I
understand why it was happening. And listen, if he had
won three straight, even if he never got to seven,
I don't think three straight is one. If they couldn't
pull it off, it's never happening.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
No one's ever.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Winning three straight Super Bowls. We just saw how difficult
it is. One, it's hard to even make it that
far three straight years. It's hard enough to win back
to back Super Bowls. But like, it's part of what
makes sports fun is having these conversations because there is
no right or wrong answer, Like there is no actual
place where I'll go to my deathbed thinking Michael Jordan

(20:43):
is the best basketball player I've ever seen. But there
are gonna be people, especially younger generations, arguing for Lebron James.
Probably people in Los Angeles, they would say, hey, what
about Kobe Bryant. There actually is no list, It doesn't
it doesn't exist anywhere that there's not like some room
where it's so these conversations are just what drives are

(21:05):
interest in sports. They're enjoyable to have. I love Peyton
Manning when I was in junior high, in high school
and early on in college. He couldn't beat the Patriots,
and it wasn't looking good until finally he won a
Super Bowl, and then he got to another. Then he
went to Denver, and he went to another, and then
he finally won another one, and all of a sudden
he went to four Super Bowls and won a couple.

(21:26):
Like things in sports take time. But the thing with
Patrick Mahomes, he played a shit a game. They got worked.
It happens, It's happened to them before, It happened to
them obviously Sunday, and it probably will happen to them again.
But when you win three Super Bowls in five years,

(21:49):
if Patrick Mahomes were to never play another game, he's
had one of the greatest careers in the history of
the sport. Multiple MVPs, three Super Bowls, and multiple Super
Bowl MVPs. Guys like Terrell Davis and Kurt Warner got
into the Hall of Fame with like little short bursts
in their career, and obviously when they were on they

(22:11):
were as good as.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Any we've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Shannon's brother, Sterling just made it to the Pro Football
Hall of Fame, whose career was basically stopped early on.
I think he didn't even make it to twenty nine
years old because of a neck injury, like it happens
in part of football, I would say much more than
these other sports. Is injuries play such a big role,

(22:35):
and so it's hard to go like, if Patrick Mahomes
is gonna be thirty years old, has another ten years
in him, Let's say, it's hard to play that in
football because you never know with injuries. But honestly, I'd
argue it doesn't really matter. He's clearly already one of
the great quarterbacks we have ever seen, ever seen, And

(23:02):
to act like just because you have one shitty game,
it's like, oh see it's a little overrated. Not tom Brady,
Yeah he not tom Brady. Tom Brady won seven fucking
of these things. Seven of them went to ten. Like
it's pretty nuts for Patrick Mahomes to go to ten
super Bowls, he'd have to go five. More Like, it's

(23:23):
it's pretty crazy. We're not seeing the Patriot dynasty probably
happen again because that thing went from two thousand and
one to twenty eighteen. So Mahomes and the match that
it have to go from the eighteen season basically to
the mid two thy thirties. I'm not sure that's happening
with the same coach who's already in his mid sixties,

(23:44):
but like sometimes he's gotta tip your cap, like it's
been an incredible run. They have earned all the hype.
Why because they took down everyone in their path. And
in the AFC, you're facing some of the most talented
quarterbacks we've ever seen. And whenever I see like, well,
people are gonna start catching them, people are gonna catch
up to the Chiefs. What is gonna happen now, I go, Well,

(24:09):
here's the thing. The other teams in the AFC are
also paying their quarterbacks an astronomical amount of money. Lamar Jackson,
Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Google their contracts, they're
all huge. So their biggest foes in the AFC are

(24:31):
teams they don't have rookie quarterbacks. They don't have some
huge flexibility, and a lot of those teams have other
high priced guys on the team. So a lot like
Kansas City, like you don't just have unlimited runway to
sign guys because you have allocated cash into two or
three players at really really high numbers. Where you go,

(24:52):
there are two teams in the AFC two playoff teams
that have rookie quarterbacks. We go, Okay, Denver, Sean Payton, Bownick.
They still are eating a large chunk of dead cap
money next year because of Russell Wilson, And like, I'm sorry,
Bo Nicks isn't even remotely on any of those other
guys I just listed level and CJ, who had a

(25:13):
down season, is gonna have a lot to prove next year.
So and the other thing is they clearly need to
improve their offensive line and we'll see what happens with
their offensive coordinator in terms of like does it work
out or not?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
You never know.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
So I just think everyone needs to pump the brakes
on the Chiefs. You know, we have seen in other
sports it's pretty rare. For like Michael Jordan was six
for six, never lost, a lot of other greats get
to championships and get worked. Happened to Peyton Manning, happened
to John Elway. I remember, it happened to Kobe and Shaq.

(25:53):
Google the Detroit Pistons. It happened to Kobe and Paugasol.
Google the Big Three, Boston Celtics. Sometimes you get there
and you get your ass kicked like this is not abnormal.
This is actually kind of consistent what usually happens in
pro sports every once in a while, like the Big
Bad Wolf, the top dog loses. It's pretty rare that

(26:18):
like Joe Montana, Tiger Woods, when they get into the
arena and when they got a chance, they always want it.
The Chiefs are actually much more like some of these
other teams. Now, you can give me the point differential,
the difference of them or the Giants, I don't know.
I mean what I remember about the Giants beating the Patriots.
They beat them twice, close game blowout, Like who cares?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
You lost the.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Game right now? Is it easier to stop? I'd argue
it's easier to stomach getting your ass kicked because at
least especially in that game, I mean over before halftime. Then, Like,
ask Patriot fans about those two loss of the Giants,
like those are hard atole about the Malcolm Butler pick,
like that's something you never forget, Chiefs. You'll forget this

(27:05):
game pretty quick, like week one can't get here fast enough.
So I'm not trying to simp here for Andy and Mahomes,
but everyone's acting like it's just over. Give me a
break some other things in the National Football League. I
think the Deebo thing's interesting because at this point in time,

(27:25):
given how he's played the last couple of years, some
of the injuries had, he's a more famous player than
he is a productive player, and he also makes a
lot of money. So the reports last week that in
his exit meeting he asked for a trade, and a
lot of people that cover the forty nine ers said
it's like someone trying to break up with their significant

(27:48):
other before their significant other breaks up with them. A
lot of people thought that Deebo Samuel would have been
cut or traded before the season even ended, not like
during twenty twenty four, but like as the Niners season
was unraveling, it was like, well, Debo's not gonna be
on the team next year. Honestly, that conversation started happening
last year when they drafted Ricky Pearsall in the first round,

(28:10):
so you got a first round receiver. They were like
dead set on paying Brandon Ayuk, which they ended up
doing and then his leg snapped midway through the season.
They were in contract negotiations with George Kittle. They have
Juwan Jennings, who's one of the best third wide receivers
in the league under contract and in theory Christian McCaffrey

(28:33):
comes back from an injury. So like, yeah, Debo's was
kind of gonna be the odd man out. The problem is,
I don't see what his value as. And we talked
about this with Cooper Cup. When you're an older player
and you've had some injuries and you make a lot
of money, it is difficult to trade you. Now, Debo,
like Cooper Cup, they have been major figures.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
On winning teams.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
So they are going to be a lot of teams
that want to bring in that guy that just knows
how to win and knows how to compete and is
not scared of the moment. So I think there was
gonna be value in Debo, uh, but I don't know
how much. And I think you're looking at a guy

(29:18):
getting traded for a fifth or sixth round pick. Jed
York also mentioned at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
A lot of owners go there.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
You know, it's like a it's time to mix with
the other owners and corporate sponsors, and it's kind of
like a you know, everyone's rubbing elbows with everybody, kind
of glad handed and scratching each other's back, and just
a lot of good to see it good to see
if thanks for paying us, what do you need? So
he was quoted essentially, I think he ran into brock

(29:46):
Perty's agent as well, like, this contract is gonna happen,
and I would imagine this contract probably happens in the
next two or three weeks. The only thing that's gonna
be fascinating is like, what are the actual numbers? But
he's gonna get paid, and he's gonna get paid a
lot of money, and this franchise is going to go
as he goes. So like if this franchise is going

(30:10):
to continue to be good, I've said it over and over.
This draft is.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Huge for them.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Look at the Eagles when they had the draft of
Jalen Carter, they were drafting high. So when the Eagles
twenty twenty four draft.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I guess it would have been twenty twenty three draft.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
They were drafted, they had the ninth pick because of
a previous trade that they got Jalen Carter. Well, their
first two picks were Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
So part of.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Drafting high is you can take advantage of it in
every round. And I think when you look at the
forty nine ers, like they have the eleventh pick, that
also means they have a high pick in the second round.
So I'm not expecting them to come out of this draft.
For Jalen Carter, He's not you know, there is no
Jalen Carter in this draft. Maybe Abdual Carter becomes some

(31:05):
version of like Michael Parsons, but.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
He's not gonna be there at eleven.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I mean, the only reason Jalen Carter was there at
nine was because of the incident that happened in the
with the car crash and people dying. Right, But if
the Niners are gonna maintain a high level of play,
like I don't know if you've seen some of the
highlights Brian Baldinger has put out, Nolan Smith looked like
a fucking dominant football player in that Super Bowl and

(31:29):
he was making plays all down the stretch of the season,
definitely in the playoffs. So if you're gonna pay your
quarterback a lot of money and he's not gonna be
like some all time great player because he's not, you
need your team to be good. And to me, for
the forty nine Ers, it starts this April with the draft,
A lot of takes on the halftime show. My overall

(31:54):
opinion on is this, I think Kendrick Lamar is probably
more famous on the Internet and with younger people than
like those people realize on the outside.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
With normal people, especially older people.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
What I think of like twenty twenty two when LA
had the Super Bowl and it was Doctor Dre Snoop
Dogg eminem in fifty cent Doctor Dre and Snoop Dogg,
you could argue had two of, if not the two
most important rap slash hip hop albums in the history

(32:31):
of the genre, in the Chronic and Doggie Style. Doggie
Style I think was the second or third CD I
ever purchased as a kid. It's still to this day
is I would say Banger for Banger as good of
a CD that's ever been made in the history of music.
I'd put it ahead of the Chronic, and the Chronic
was sweet, but like those guys had been famous at

(32:54):
the time of that performance for thirty plus years because
he's a white guy, rapping is like one of the
most unique talents in the history of America. And obviously
fifty cent was just an all time rocket ship and
very mainstream I would say I and listen. I loved

(33:15):
rap and hip hop growing up, and I listened to
it all through college. I would say the last ten
plus years, I'm not as locked in and don't like
it as much. I kind of find out who things
are through the Internet. I enjoy. I wouldn't say I'm
like a Drake loyalist, but I know way more about
Drake than I do Kendrick Lamour. And I also think
Drake is way more famous than Kendrick Lamar, even though

(33:38):
they're viewed as rivals and they've had this beef. The
other thing is I remember I don't know if you
watched this, but a couple of years ago, Kanye and
Drake did this concert at in Los Angeles. I think
it was at the Coliseum and it was on like
Amazon Prime. I remember watching it was like unreal. Drake

(33:58):
is an awesome performed He also like part of Kendrick,
like his style. When people keep saying I didn't know
what he was saying, I would say the average human
being like doesn't know many Kendrick songs, and by all accounts,
he didn't play most of his most popular songs. I
also think, like this beef, the two have going.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Because people are on.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Twitter and a lot of media people are. I think
it feels a lot bigger. And I'm not saying that
people didn't talk about it, but like back to Snoop
Dogg and Doctor Dre, they were part of a national
beef that literally everyone knew about. People ended up getting
killed because of it. I don't know two of the
greatest rappers in the history of music in BIGI and Tubac,

(34:49):
So I just think that we overrated, like how popular
and mainstream this guy was, and like it didn't do
much for I thought it was kind of boring. I
don't really know many of the songs, but like I
just look back to a couple of years ago, like
universally Doctor Dre and that performance in Los Angeles was

(35:11):
just awesome. We also have followed those guys' careers for decades,
and I think the average person, especially in like sports media,
especially a younger guy who's like really into the Drake
Kendrick lamar Beef, thinks Kendrick is like way more famous
than he actually is. It'd be like Jared Goff walking
into a room and then Tom Brady and Peyton Manning

(35:32):
walking into a room. So I think it was a
weird pick to begin with. I think it would have
been way easier to I don't know, go like Lil
Wayne cash Money and master p out there in New Orleans.
But I'd be honest, I seen in a lot of this, Like,
oh Drake, how does he ever recover from this? All

(35:52):
he has to think is like I would have been
way better as a halftime show. He's probably right. A
couple other quick stories Matt Patricia interviewing with Ohio State
for their defensive coordinator position. Kind of crazy that Ohio
State wins the Natty, they lose Chip Kelly.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
They lose their defensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Chip Kelly. Understandable. He got six million dollars a year,
goes to the Raiders, couldn't turn down. I mean, who's
he was making two and a half million, They're gonna
offer me six in Vegas, I'm there. The losing the
defensive coordinator to Penn State was a little weird, but
I maybe there's more to the story that I haven't

(36:35):
seen yet. Obviously got paid a lot of money, but
you would think, like Ohio State is every bit as
I mean, it's literally we beat Penn State all the time.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
But he's gone.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
So you know, Patricia, there aren't any NFL defensive coordinator
jobs open, and all signs point to Kellen Moore, who
officially became the head coach today, going with Brandon Staley,
who's his guy. I think that'd be an interesting fit
for Patricia, who I don't know is known as the
biggest personality, who I think has really really tried a lot,

(37:06):
like Belichick to kind of show his personality more. Would
imagine he would want that job. One because you can.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Do good things there.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
You get loaded, you know, your roster is full of
NFL players, And two they pay you a lot of money. Okay,
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(37:57):
reinforced that Microsoft empowers visionariy to tackle their biggest challenges
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never forget. I think NFL films they had followed Belichick
and the Patriots around in like two thousand and nine

(38:18):
or twenty ten, and it was the final game of
the season. They were playing the Ravens in the playoffs,
and they were getting killed, and Belichick and Brady are
standing right next to each other, and Belichick's just talking
to him like, we just got to get better. I
gotta do a better job. I got to bring in
better players. And it was right around the transition of
when they started getting rid of the Randy Mosses, the

(38:40):
Wes Welkers, and they kind of changed to their new
group Gronkowski, Edelman, mccordy, and those got high towers, and
those guys became basically the finishing part of their dynasty
over the next six seven, eight years. And I think
with the chief you get your ass kick like that,

(39:03):
everyone is.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Gonna keep gunning for you.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
In the AFC, you kind of got to take a
step back, and it's not as difficult, like the Chiefs
don't have a motivational problem like their guys, especially their
their lead player. It's just a motivated individual. But from
a team building standpoint, it's like, what do we gotta do?
How do we take what just happened? And this season

(39:27):
was for a season where they won fifteen games and
were in the super Bowl, was not as smooth as
some of their previous years. It's like how do we improve?
Not how do we make improvements on the margins, but
like do we need to make something big happen? Do
we need to take a big swing for the fence?
Do we need to make a dramatic change, Because they've

(39:49):
done that over the years. A couple of years ago
when they lost to the Cincinnati Bengals, what do.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
They do that offseason?

Speaker 1 (39:55):
They traded Tyreek Hill. When they lost to the Patriots
back in the day, what did they do? They fired
Bob Sutton and they went to get Steve Spagnola. So
one thing I know about Andy Reid and Brett Veach
is like they embrace adversity and they'll figure out a
way to do something big. Because I've already texted with

(40:16):
some people in the operation. They said, Hey, we're already
on to next season. And that's the mindset in that
operation and over the next month. I don't think any
team will be as aggressive in trying to make a
change that not only puts them right back in the situation,
but gives them an opportunity to host a hoist another

(40:36):
Lombardi where I bet they feel like, right now, it's
like we were close, but we actually weren't that close
because we just got beat by multiple touchdowns in the
Super Bowl and we're down like one hundred and nothing
at halftime. So I think the Chiefs sometimes, I think
it's widely agreed upon that you only learn so much

(40:57):
from success, where you really learn through.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Adversity and failure.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Look at the Eagles last year, the way the season ended.
They lost all those games, they got their butt kicked
in the playoffs, and they kind of had to hit
the reset button, and they changed a bunch of players
on defense, they changed a bunch of coordinators, and it
really paid dividends. And I think the Chiefs are gonna
have to do It's probably not gonna be as big
of a wholesale change last year as the Eagles, but

(41:22):
they're gonna have to make some personnel moves. Did you know,
people be like, damn, they really did that and I
think that's what it takes some times to turn the
thing around. So that's it for this week's Chasing Challenges.
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(41:43):
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learn more. Okay, let's dive into a little thing we

(42:13):
like to call the middle cough mail bag at John
Middlecoff at John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in. I
saw this story. I just want to hit on before
we get some mail bag questions. Did one of the
things the Jets told Rogers when he had flown back
to the Big Apple to meet with Glenn and company

(42:36):
was that he could no longer go on Pat mcaviie
on Tuesday. And I just think I think Aaron Rodgers Jets'
career ended during the season when the owner and his
sons and they were all taking jabs at each other
like it was clearly over. And I think information travels

(42:59):
in twenty twenty pretty easily to others. And if you're
interviewing for the Jets' job, and you're a guy like
Aaron Glenn, where you go going into the interview like
I got a good chance to get this job. You're
using your agent and other people in your circle to
find out whether it's through Tannenbaum and the crew that

(43:21):
was associated with the Jets running the search, where Woody's
head's at, what he wants to know. Part of interviewing
with somebody, especially in a situation like becoming a head coach,
You're not going to go in and pussy foot your
way around and be scared to say what you really believe.
But you also don't want to go in blind. And

(43:42):
I have a pretty good idea of some key things
that mean a lot to the owner, so you can
hammer that home. I would imagine Aaron Rodgers and Woody
Johnson their relationship.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
I mean, give me a break.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
And so when you tell Aaron Rodgers that he can't
go on Pat McAfee, you know you see this sometimes
like big college football programs don't let freshmen talk. Some
coaches are very hesitant how much rookies are allowed to speak.
Aaron Rodgers, forty years old, he's one of the greatest

(44:16):
players in the history.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Of the league.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
You know, you don't tell like what he can and
can't do on his off day unless you know that's
really gonna piss him off, and that's gonna just end
it right there. So it's almost like you're not just
gonna go into the meeting saying like, pack up your
shit and leave, but you're gonna say things to him
that you know is gonna make him go I don't

(44:38):
want to be here. I'm not playing under these restrictions.
Aaron Rodgers has made hundreds of millions of dollars playing football.
He has been at a point in his career where
I mean, hell, the Jets let him dictate everything going on.
Now that's no longer the case. But still to say
what I can and can't say or do on my

(44:59):
day off and go on Pat McAfee show, that's clearly
something they knew was gonna get under his skin and
essentially in the relationship, and that that's what happened. Now,
you could argue it's the right thing to do, regardless
like in the relationship with the with Aaron Rodgers, move on,
I think it is. But I think that story is

(45:21):
gonna get a lot more steam. Like they told him
you're not allowed to say things to Pat and aj Hawk.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
It's like, no, bro, It's like.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
He's gonna be doing Pat show no matter where he goes.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
It ain't that big a deal.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Now, you could argue at this point in time in
his career, it's it's it's one thing when he was
humming and competing for MVPs or gonna get traded out
of the Packers. Like, it's probably pretty exhausting. On the
national platform, you know, Brady and Roethlisberger and all the
coaches usually go on like their local radio affiliate, typically

(45:57):
the station that had as your broadcasts, like wherever your
team's games are on on Sundays. But like just a
lot of people pay attention to that McAfee interview and
it gets cut up, it goes viral. I do understand
where they're coming from, and it can be a little exhausting.

(46:17):
You know, it's like, Aaron, you're still playing in this thing. Obviously,
players and coaches go on that show, but literally not
every Tuesday during the season. So yeah, I just think
that that story it feels a little, you know, more
of a headline grabber than the actual substance behind it,
Like it wasn't about Pat McAfee in the show. It

(46:38):
was more about like, if you are gonna stay, which
we don't want you to stay, you're gonna do literally
everything we tell you to do. And Aaron Rodgers goes,
I don't do what everyone tells me to do. So
it's like this, this ain't gonna work. It was almost
like I'm breaking up with you before you break up
with me, which was inevitable, a little like Debo requesting
a trade. Well, they were probably gonna trade you anyway,

(47:00):
so it makes for a sexy headline. But the inevitable
was written out three months ago. Tom Brady has sucked
in year one for one reason, and one reason. Only
one of his games he has called this season have
been blowouts. I cannot remember a close game that he

(47:21):
has called. If the games were better, he would be
better from the middlemen. Actually, I'm starting to come around
on the Kaffia. We're all part of the Kaffia. There's
something about the coffee. I I kind of I got
a soft spot for Cozinostro. Uh, it's our coffee. But middlemen,

(47:48):
it obviously sticks some about middleman. I I don't love
I don't hate it.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Uh, you're right.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
I mean calling being in your first year doing the job,
and if game aren't close, it is hard to be
good at the gig. It is much easier to call
a game in the ebb and flow of the action
when it's back and forth. And you're right, it does
feel like he's called a lot of games that were
pretty lopsided. I'd have to go back and like look

(48:16):
game by game, but there's definitely merit.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
To what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I'll give him credit on the Super Bowl, like I didn't.
The game's so big and it was out of hand
so fast. I had no issue, you know, with anything
he did during the Super Bowl. My whole thing with
Brady And maybe this is lost and maybe this is impossible,
but I just think one of his great characteristics and

(48:43):
qualities is when the camera's off talking with someone else
about football, about just bissing of being a guy. And
he's just always been one of the great guys because
he's been one of the great teammates in the history
of the league. But when the camera goes on, because
he's morphed into this businessman for the last I don't know.

(49:04):
Fifteen plus years, he's very corporate, and it's just I
don't know if he can ever strike that balance. I've
probably been two R show on him at times, but
I'm just giving my real reaction on a Sunday night
after I watch one of his games. But then I
watch him, like with Colin, just talking about football and
he can relax a little bit. I don't know. I

(49:26):
don't know if that's a balance he'll ever be able
to strike. You know, Aikman and Collinsworth and some of
the other guys, you know, John Madden, even Gruden, they
just kind of their personality shined a little bit more
through it. Some people have said, you know, Brady's voice
can be a little high pitched, and that's you know,
I would say, off putting.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
A little bit. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Most people don't have like a perfect broadcast voice. I
think it's less about the voice, you know, Romo's voices
all over the place. I think it's more just being
relatable on the broadcast, like Tom just do like when
you're talking to Edelman without the swear words in the
locker room when the cameras are off.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I think that will.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Be one key for him moving forward. You could argue
it's not a key because he doesn't have to. He's
making thirty seven million dollars a year and Fox is
gonna ride him like Secretariat. If you're McVeigh and less Snead,
you have to feel pretty good about losing to the
Eagles by twelve yards. And when the rest of the
field got dismantled, do you think Snead should say fuck

(50:29):
them picks again and lay down the red carpet for
Stafford to can. It feels like there's some weird vibes
with Stafford and the Rams, and it feels like it's
been like this for a couple of years, which is
weird because I would say the Rams and Sean McVay
have completely changed the conversation on Matthew Stafford's career, not

(50:53):
that you know. I would say in Detroit he was
viewed as this really talented guy that never wins and
makes a sh hit load of money. He's really rich.
He has no impactful games that anyone thinks about. But
he's got a lot of talent, big arm, and a
lot of money. But that's it. And he comes to
the Rams and he's constantly playing in big games. He's

(51:16):
constantly playing for a team in the playoffs, obviously won
a super Bowl. And it's like their relationship and maybe
it's just simple as like they're trying to pivot off
of them. But whenever I see like they could trade.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Them for who for what?

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Like who would play quarterback? They drafted Stetson Bennett last
year in the middle rounds and he was gone all
season long. He clearly wasn't good enough, and they made
a trade for Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Garoppolo to be their backup.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
So it's like, I get you don't want to give
Stafford fifty million dollars a year, even on a short
term contract. If you're Stafford, You're like, I'm playing for
like thirty million dollars a year when some of these
other guys are making fifty five.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
What the hell are we doing?

Speaker 1 (51:56):
And it's a complicated situation, and I think in an
ideal world they would like to have a kind of
a transitional period, maybe even a guy sit behind him
for a year. Would Stafford handle that?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Well?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
You know, his wife was like talking shit about them
moving on from Cooper Cup. She's like, my husband wants
to win, Like, well, yeah, your husband's only ever won here.
If I was less need, I'd say, hey, listen, Kelly,
uh for you act like we don't want to win.
All you guys know is losing. You guys came here

(52:29):
and all we've done is win. So yeah, we're moving
off Cooper Cup. Not because we're just some like raging assholes.
He's thirty two years old. He is not worth twenty
million dollars. This is a business and the reason your
husband has made four hundred plus million dollars. It's a
lucrative business. But you got to produce when we're paying

(52:51):
me that much money. And Pooka now is our ace
in the hole. So yeah, we got to make some
tough decisions. But it's not because we don't want to
win shit.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
All we do here is win.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
So I wonder if, like, if I was less need
and I saw Kelly Stafford's comments, like, I'd be kind
of bad, like, oh, yeah, we're just we're trying to
tank this season.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
That's really what we do around here. Give me a break. Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
So yeah, I don't know. I feel like everything's on
the table there. I don't know what their backup plan
would be if they were to trade Stafford. I think
they're less likely to do what you think and do
some crazy trade in building around Stafford at thirty seven
years old, Avid, listener to your podcast and I would
love to be on the podcast one day. Vice first

(53:43):
question for the mail bag. When you spoke about your
time in Nola, you mentioned all the people you met
and had an opportunity to speak with. My question is,
given your profession, how do you balance being a fan
of someone you once watched work with versus being professional
curious to your thoughts. I don't even doesn't even cross

(54:05):
my mind. I just act normal. I just act like
I normally would, and like I'm I'm not a big
like give you a piece of paper, get an autograph guy,
But I've never been that guy.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
You know, let's take a picture in the hotel GM
while you're trying to get a workout in. But I
wouldn't have done that. If I was selling insurance, well
maybe I would have. But I just act like myself.
I'm also not a journalist, Like I don't there's not
some like unwritten rule book that I'm supposed to be following.
I do whatever the fuck I want to do, and

(54:41):
I don't mean that like in an arrogant way.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I'm just saying like.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
They aren't like professional rules that I have to follow. Right,
I'm in a space where there aren't really rules. We
kind of get to do whatever we want. And if
I'm a fan of someone, I just go up and
tell them that I I admire what you've done. Like
in twenty twenty at the Miami super Bowl, it was

(55:09):
the Niners were the Chiefs, and I flew out there
and hung out for the week.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
It was cool. I had never been to Miami.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I was like, yeah, I get it. Places badass. One
thing I'd like to that I do regret is I
was walking in one day to kind of the Radio
row Era area and I was walking right next to
Little John. It's just me and Little John stride for stride,
and I look at him and I go, my name's
John's two or maybe it's like I'm also a John.

(55:41):
And I remember him looking at me. I'm like, that's
the stupidest thing I've ever said in my life. I
can't believe I just said that. I don't even think
he responded. I felt like an idiot. I was like,
that was dumb, and we just kind of went our
separate ways. But I saw Dana White in there and like, like,
I'm not a big UFC guy. I don't order the fights.

(56:01):
Not because I don't appreciate how tough these guys are.
It's just like I'm not. I just don't really now.
If I'm with friends or people and their order, I will,
but a lot of you that order all the fights,
like it's not necessarily me. But having grown up, you know,
going to college when Chuck was big and he lived
in San Louis where I went to college, I just

(56:23):
really admire the.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Business he built.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
And I remember him just walking by and I just
went up to him and fell a bald guy, and
I was like, hey, man, I really admire everything.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
He has done at the UFC.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
And he started talking when you started bsing for a minute,
I think he was kind of taken back by me
just saying that. And I just when you see someone
just say what you think. I guess now, I also
have been around because of the job I'm in enough
famous people like I'm kind of knowing to leave people alone.
So I I think I don't know. I don't really

(56:53):
follow any rules because there are no rules in this
world that.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I'm in.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
As a Cowboy fan. The past year has been rough,
resigning Dak and hiring Shady. I'm sure we'll give us
a couple more nine to eleven win seasons, but we
have no shot at winning Vick. This is the least
interested I've ever been in the team and would have
preferred to reboot and tank and build off CD and Micah.
As an NFL fan, what do you think of the

(57:24):
Cowboys direction? I will say there's never a worse time
in the business model that is the NFL than when
your fans start feeling I don't hate it, I'm not
fired up, I just don't really give a shit. And
I think the Cowboys kind of felt a little like
that this year, and I think if things continue on

(57:48):
the path, they could feel like that the next couple
of years, kind of the you know, the last couple
of years, potentially like Jerry's life, which would be kind
of crazy given his whole thing is all he's been like.
We dominate the headlines. We're interesting. Whether we win it
all and they don't ever win at all, We're gonna
be interesting. And it feels like the Cowboys aren't really

(58:09):
that interesting now. One thing I think is gonna be
on the table is I think Michah Parsons is going
to be discussed.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Now.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Whether they actually pull the trigger or not, I don't know.
But think about the Browns, their general manager, who has
been adamant. I don't blame him. We are not doing this,
even though Miles Garrett's like, listen, no hard feelings, trade me,
trade me, trade me, come get me, trade me. Where
clearly Michaeh. Parsons doesn't want to leave the Cowboys. But

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like I think Stephen Jones said it in the fall,
and rumors have been flying during Super Bowl Week like this,
Stude's gonna be quote unquote available but like open for
a discussion. Right, you could call the Eagles for Jalen
Carter like they're not having a discussion with you, like
in theory you would call about Michaeh Parsons and would

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hang up on you. They're having discussions. So if you
get two ones, two two's and kind of help reset
your franchise, is that the right move.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
The problem is.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
If you just get a bunch of young guys and
they are a couple of years away from being really
high end players, it doesn't necessarily help you now, and
I just I don't know, man. I think it's gonna
be a long, long season for Dallas, not because they're
gonna be terrible. I mean clearly last year with they
had so many injuries and they were still pretty competitive

(59:34):
when they had enough guys on the field even with
Dac out. And I think if you're healthy and depending
on how the draft goes, you can compete for a
wild card spot. But it's just gonna feel like we're
not winning a playoff game, and I think it's got
to hurt.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Part of the Dallas Cowboy brand was We're just the
biggest brand in the NFL, and now it's like your
second fiddle by a mile to the Eagles in your
own division. Not because they have quote unquote more fans
worldwide or whatever, but like they're winning super Bowls. You
haven't even been to the conference championship game. Have not
been to the conference championship game in two and a

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half decades. This was a question that was asked before
the Super Bowl, but I I just wanted to include it.
What do you think the spread would be for tears
cried before the national anthem or during the national anthem.
I think Chris Jones ought to be a half tier
favorite over Sirianni. He cries more frequently, but I could

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see Sirianni saving up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
More for the big moment. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I think Chris Jones is the Dick ver Meal of players.
Chris Jones, you just give him a big moment, he
takes it in in crist and you know, I wonder
if Sirianni there was more focus. I wonder if Sirianni
and I haven't seen any quotes on this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
When he did it the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
You just coaching the Super Bowl, however old. He was
thirty nine, forty years old, thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
At the time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
You've been a head coach for two years. During the
Super Bowl, facing Andy Reid and Mahomes, you just kind
of overcome with emotion. Where Chris Jones to me, he's
just he's crying at Super Bowl. He's crying at his
daughter's first grade graduation. He probably cries some postgames like

(01:01:28):
you just emotionally moved. It's kind of Dick for Meal.
I mean I felt like Dick for Meal cried every
other press conference he ever had. This is a professional question.
I've always wanted to get a job in football, but
due to some family stuff, I had to work as
soon as high school ended. I've been considering going back
to college as I've been in a sales role for the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Past four years.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Of course, your network matters, but how much emphesis do
teams put on the requirement of a degree when becoming
a scout or member of the front office. I truly
want to pursue this, and just want to pursue and
just want to know what I should focus on. Twenty
three year old Browns fan from South Texas. I don't

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think necessarily like having a degree is the reason you
get hired in jobs in the NFL, specifically scouting. But
I can't imagine there are many scouts for people working
in the front office that didn't go to college. You
know some former players that maybe left school early to

(01:02:31):
go play in the NFL, or when they left college
to go pursue an NFL career, didn't quote unquote graduate,
like no one's checking. Like if I was a fifth
year guy and I left Oklahoma and had trained for
the draft and I still a ten credit short, no
one cares. I think it would be very, very difficult
to not have attended college and get hired in the NFL.

(01:02:54):
So if that is truly a desire of yours, I
think it would be baseasically impossible to do. Now, you
could circumvent that by maybe getting in sales, ticket sales
or one of those jobs, and maybe they require I
don't know. It's hard for me to know, because when
I got hired, I got hired from college football, I

(01:03:18):
was working. You know, I already had a college degree,
not that it came up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
I don't remember the interview, but.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
I couldn't have got hired in college football without my.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Degree at cal Paly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
So you're talking to someone who who thinks, you know,
college education can be extremely overrated and people that I
would say, go around it and never experience it. It
does not dictate your future success. We obviously know a

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lot of people that not only never graduated college, that
dropped out of college.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
That want on to have a lot of success.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Now, overall, I think statistics back up that you are
more likely to earn more money going to college because,
like you said, your network and you meet different a
new level of people that you just wouldn't have known otherwise.
But I think in this situation, just like a lot
of situations, you know, whether it's certain industries, it is

(01:04:17):
very difficult to just get your foot in the door
if on your resume you didn't go to college.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Fair or not.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
But those are just kind of the price of admission
of the current quote unquote rules to get accepted to
even have a chance to get entry as an opportunity.
So you know, I'm not trying to recommend or not.
But you're really young. You know, you're twenty three years old.

(01:04:44):
I would imagine you can do now college a lot online,
probably pretty easy. We would have had online classes when
I was in school fifteen to twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Been incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
We had to actually go to class. Well, go to class.
You're supposed to go to class. Mailbag name for the fans,
the coordinators. You're the head coach and your fans are
the coordinators.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
We have a very very.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
You guys got good ideas. You guys come up with
a lot of good ideas, and I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Uh wanted to send a question for the bag.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
I was just watching your podcast where you talked about
Miles Garrett and the NFL expanding to Australia in the
eighteen Games. I'm from Canada and a huge fan. Do
you have any thoughts on why the NFL is so
inclined to expand to so many other countries and not
coming back to Canada at all. We are a country
that is that has football as part of our sporting

(01:05:44):
culture and of many Canadian players currently in the league.
Would love to hear your thoughts. I think if the
podcast you're referring to, I think my theory is pretty simple.
Why they're going to Ireland or why going to Brazil
or I think Australia is because Netflix and streaming. It's

(01:06:07):
just a land grab, right. They've got America, and I
would imagine a decent amount of people in some of
these Canadian markets watched the NFL. Where they're really trying
to expand is England, is Ireland, is Germany, is South America, Australia,
New Zealand. So when a game goes on Netflix, it's

(01:06:31):
not just a dude in Dallas, or a dude in Seattle,
or even a guy in British Columbia. It's like the
dude in Sydney, Australia, guy in New Zealand, guy in Germany.
Got a cat in Spain is watching and I do
wonder if that is kind of their move on this,

(01:06:52):
because I think they're expanding worldwide because these streamers have
the capability to stream worldwide, you know, like, don't quote
me on this, but and for those of you that
live internationally know better. I've I haven't been international, like
lived internationally.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
I went for like a month when I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Was two thousand and six to Spain. They didn't have
Fox and CBS. So now, granted I went in the summer,
football wasn't even being played, but I'm not sure you
could watch now. Obviously it's twenty twenty five. It's dramatically different.
And maybe YouTube TV. I just think Netflix and Amazon
Prime and the streaming services are just game changing, game

(01:07:35):
changing Tayle Wind on this, This is an interesting question.
I took some questions before, like the recent batch, so
I'll answer over the next couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Some of you guys that have have hit me recently,
but I've.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Tried to try to backtrack a little bit. I've heard
you mentioned a few times in the last few weeks.
Do you think the only team in the playoffs that
believed they could beat the Chiefs was the Bills. The
Eagles did go into Arrowhead last year and beat them
in November. My question would be, is one game not
enough to give them that belief?

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Well, one thing's clear.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
The Eagles went into that game believing they can win.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
And you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
You know, sometimes when you get the AFC NFC matchups,
you play them once every you know, quarter, once every
four years. Right, So the Eagles and the Chiefs played
and they won't play again for a couple more seasons.
It's kind of a unique one off situation, which is cool,
which keeps the NFL fresh as you get these.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
New matchups every year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
My take on the Bills was they've just played them
so many times and they've beat them multiple times. Now
it's in the regular season. Now, just because you believe
they can win, they can't beat them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
The Eagles defensively are in a different stratosphere than the Bills.
And you know, one thing really hit me, and I've
been saying this for a while. The league has changed
the rules. So the John Lynches and the Ray Lewises,
and honestly even the way like Cam Chancellor and Richard

(01:09:12):
Sherman like guys aren't getting hit like that anymore in
the NFL. And if you do fifteen yellow flags fly out,
And that's just a fact that it's not going to
change moving forward. The one area where you can still
be really violent is the lion of scrimmage, not with
the quarterback, but with each other. O' lineman and d

(01:09:34):
Linman can get after it. So when you have great, physical,
dominant players up there, you can really dictate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
The terms of a game.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
And what the Philadelphia Eagles did on Sunday is like
their defensive line dictated the terms of that game. And
they were it felt like they were picking up the
Chiefs offensive lineman, picking them up and just shut them around.
It was like, how did they block for this guy
all season long? And I know it's been up and down,

(01:10:06):
but Josh Sweat it felt like was just lifting Fooni
into the air. Their defensive tackles were given the left
guard and center problems that they were just they dominated.
And obviously the offensive line they're.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Just an excellent offensive line. They play well against anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
But whenever I see a headline like the forty nine
or should they be interested in DeVante Adams, like what
are we doing? O line?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
D line?

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
O line, D line, O line.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
D line?

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Anytime that you hear like it's one thing when your
team sucks and you're gonna sign t Higgins, Okay, but
if you're a playoff team and it is not about
offensive and defensive line, it's like, what are we wasting
our time on?

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Why are we having this conversation? What a waste of breath?
And I think people ask me this a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Is like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
From the fans to the gms, like we all know
how to build the team, but why once they get
in these situations do they pivot? And I was talking
to somebuddies when I was in the Super Bowl, It's like,
you know, if you don't think this guy is going
to be a star offensive lineman, And you can draft
Melik Neighbors, like if you're the Giants, the Chiefs and

(01:11:24):
Eagles to them the league, Neighbors like one of the
best players in the drafts, Like, okay, you take a
guy like Melak Neighbors, Julio Jones, right, there are certain
players like listen, we feel good about taking this guy II.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
But if you take Elak Neighbors.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
And you could have taken Joe Alt, it's like, well,
I think Joealt can be a five time Pro bowler.
That's a mistake, right, or you know, an impact defensive.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Lineman, that's a mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
And think of the teams that benefited last year the Rams.
Jared Verse was sitting down, you know, I think the
Rams drafted seventeenth or eighteenth? How was he there?

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Part of it where a bunch of quarterbacks went. But
like you're telling me, like, think about this with the Bears.
Everyone's like, you know, the Bears their offensive line sucked,
and it's true. I think they should have taken an
offensive lineman over Roma Dounze that you're taken like Jared
Verse over Roma Dunzay, you got it. The line of

(01:12:22):
scrimmage is where you impact the game. Obviously, your quarterback
played matters a lot. That's on the quarterback, coach, the coordinator.
But when you could dominate the line of scrimmage, you
can hang with a lot of teams.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Look at the Texans.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Their offensive line sucked, but their d line was good
and the defense was good. Because usually when you have
a good defensive line, your defense canna be pretty good.
It makes your dbs look a lot better. So I
think sometimes people talk that way and they believe that way,
and then they get put in the situation and you're
just like, ah, we'll just take the wide receiver. It's crazy.

(01:12:55):
It's like studying for the test. You know the answers,
and then you get the test. It's like ABC or
D and you see the answer, You're like, I'm just
gonna go with D instead of B, even though I'm
pretty sure b's the right answer. Something that happens. I
don't know, if it's like human psychology, if it's like
under the gun of certain people just stick to it

(01:13:17):
more often than others, and for whatever reason, people talk
about it and they don't act about it consistently. It's weird,
but offensive defensive line. That's that's where you got to live.
When it comes to football. The volume