3 & Out - Russ goes to the Giants, What's going on with Scottie, JT has changed

John opens the podcast reacting to the breaking news that Russell Wilson has signed with the New York Giants. John talks about what Wilson signing with the Giants actually means for the organization with the draft a month away.

Later, John dives into golf with this edition of Go Low. John discusses the issues surrounding Scottie Scheffler's game and if last season for Scottie is something that he will be able to replicate or was he a one year wonder. Next, he talks about how impressive Ludvig Aberg's game is, and finally, how disappointing Collin Morikawa has been acting towards the media because he hasn't been playing great.

5:11 - Giants sign Russell Wilson

19:57 - Go Low/What's going on with Scottie

25:24 - Ludvig is a stud

49:10 - Mailbag

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on, everybody? How are we doing?
This is John Middelkoff and this was I had recorded

(00:23):
a Go Low podcast, which we will do on Scottie Scheffler,
on Justin Thomas and Victor Hovlin going at it, as
well as a little go Low mailbag at Golpod is
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questions answered anything golf related. But right as I finished,

(00:43):
we had breaking news that Russell Wilson, the former Seattle
Seahawk quarterback I don't know if you remember him, played
for the Broncos play for the Steelers, has signed with
the New York Football Giants. So did have to do
a quick reaction to that right after, and we we
will lead the show with that and then get into golf.

(01:04):
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signed a one year contract with the New York Football Giants.
And some of us are old enough to remember when

(02:55):
him and Pete Carroll start butting heads and Russell put
out this kind of trade demand if he was to
get traded, he listed like four teams, and if memory
serves me correct, the Giants were one of those teams.
So he finally gets his wish of being the starting
quarterback for the New York Giants. Over the last five
or six days, they've signed Jameis Winston eight million dollar

(03:19):
contract for two years, four million dollars a year. I
looked at the details, not out. I don't know how
much they guaranteed of that contract. We do know that
they have guaranteed Russell Wilson ten and a half million dollars.
So let's just say four or five million dollars they're
in this season. Guaranteed money at around fifteen million dollars
for these two players. And listen the headline because He's

(03:42):
a really famous player, and at one point time in
his career he looked like a lock to go to
the Hall of Fame. That that will be highly debated.
I think in the peak of his career he definitely was,
but that feels like a long time ago. I mean
the version of the guy we have seen last year
crumble as the weather changed. Obviously Denver, they couldn't have

(04:03):
got him out of there fast enough. His career has
taken a turn for the worst, where now he's in
a position where a team as desperate as the Giants
give him a bridge quarterback contract. Pretty crazy how this
is all played out now as we sit here today,
March twenty fifth, I think it's fair to assume that
Russell Wilson will be the starting quarterback for the New

(04:24):
York Giants week one.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Now.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Who his backup will be yet to be determined. I
don't think this move changes anything for the draft. I
do think when you don't control I still think Schidor
Sanders is going to be drafted number three overall by
the New York Giants, but something crazy could happen, someone
could trade above them. They don't control their own destiny,

(04:49):
so as you sit here right now, and you have
the opportunity to sign a guy that you know can
be your starter and you know you can function with
if you have to, because, let's face it, well, Jamis
has i would say improved over the course of his career,
is still a guy that once upon a time through
thirty interceptions. Let me repeat that, thirty interceptions, not in

(05:09):
a career.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
In a season.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
So when your job's on the line like it is
for Brian Daball and Joe Shane, and your quarterback situation
is playing out like it is now, you gotta cut
Daniel Jones. Aaron Rodgers essentially tells you know you're not
drafting number one overall to pick cam Ward, not that
he would be your savior either as a rookie, but
you're in a really, really tough situation. Here's the other problem.

(05:34):
You play in a division with the defending Super Bowl
champs who have a loaded team, with the Washington Commanders
who have what looks sure looks like a superstar quarterback
and a team that might not win as many games
as last year, but it's gonna be better on paper
and should be a playoff team. And let's face it,
the Cowboys, when when healthy, are just better than the Giants.

(05:57):
So now we'll see Brian Schottenheimer new coach transition there.
I think the Giants are just in a tough spot
and this is just a desperate move. But I hear
some people that believe the Giants have a better roster
than the casual guy thinks. I don't know about that.
I really don't. I just think that Russell Wilson is

(06:17):
not fixing much. And I think the same thing with
the Pittsburgh steel was with Aaron Rodgers. Like is Aaron
Rodgers an upgrade over their quarterback situation of Russell Wilson
and the Rudolphs and that crew of guys Kenny Picketts
the last couple years. Maybe a little, but I don't
think he changes the outlook of your team. Winning nine
or ten games like that would be the same thing.
And when I look at the Giants, I go, yeah,

(06:40):
maybe you win a game or two more and you're
not drafting third overall or six overall, but okay, you're
drafting eleventh overall, Like you're not going to be very
good with this player. And I feel for Shane and
day Ball. Sometimes the cookie crumbles from a quarterbacks point,

(07:00):
and you're in this situation where you don't have any options,
and when Russell Wilson is your best option in twenty
twenty five, this face is let's not beat around the bush.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Are fucked?

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I mean, you really are. The Pittsburgh Steelers who have
a way better team and a much more established head coach.
We saw what happened last year. They started getting their
ass kicked down the stretch and they got worked in
the playoffs and they were one and done. But Steelers
always win nine or ten games, and they go to
the playoffs every year now either the seventh seed or
the sixth seed, but they're always there. Like the Giants

(07:34):
over the last ten years have been really, really bad,
and I just don't think much change is here now.
One of Russell's attributes that still works really well is
the deep ball, and they do have Malik Neighbors, who
is a special talent. But when I look at this
team doing this, like you're going into this draft with

(07:55):
Russell Wilson and Jamis Winston like welcome to the in
a back room, shador uh. But I still expect if
he's on the board, the New York Giants to draft.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Shador Sanders with the number three overall pick.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Now, maybe the coaching staff, who is desperate to win
to save their job, thinks, hey, why don't we take
if Shador doesn't go to and it goes cam Ward
abdual Carter, why don't we take Travis Hunter at pick three?
And then all of a sudden have Elak neighbors and
Travis Hunter to.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Go with Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Maybe the coach pushes for that. I wouldn't blame him
if he did, because clearly, like it's not like Shadur
is gonna beat out Russell in training camp, So you
might as well try to build up your team as
well as possible and hope your defense can be better
because in theory they should have a solid defense. But
I've always thought Cavon's a little overrated. Uh you know,
Brian Burns as solid, but I don't exactly think their

(08:54):
past rush is like.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Miles Garrett meets TJ. Watt here.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Uh So I don't know, man, I think the headline
and this is going to be a major talking point,
Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson, he is much more famous than
he is a good player now and while it looked
really good early when Tomlin went to the bullpen for him.
I'll never unsea that December as the weather got cold,
as they started playing better teams, and they had no shot,

(09:19):
and I mean they had no shot. And I just
think he's very average at best football player. And when
you play in this division, you know they're not playing
in warm weather. So New York obviously gets really cold,
Philly gets really cold, Washington gets really cold, like this
is a cold weather division, and we just had a

(09:40):
front row seat for what happened when the weather changed
with Russell. He looked dramatic. He fell off a cliff
for even a guy that had just looked okay, nowhere
near what he once was. So I just think that
this is what happens when you get a coach and
a GM holding on for dear life, because that's what

(10:02):
they're doing. And I don't blame them that you're the
head coach and the general manager of the New York Giants.
Pretty good gig if it works out. Last I checked
made some pretty legendary individuals holding those positions when they won.
But this team is not going to win, and I
don't think signing Jamis Winston and clearly signing Russell Wilson

(10:25):
changes much of anything. I'm not trying to hate on
the Giants or being negative Nelly here, but I think
we have to acknowledge what we have seen, and what
we have seen is one, this team is that talented,
and two Russell Wilson is no longer really that good.
And if let's just give the hypothetical that chadore because

(10:46):
I guess Chador is a hypothetical to go there as well,
let's say he doesn't go there.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
If you told.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Me what month do people start going, should we go
to Jamis, I'd say late October early November like that
would be a conversation. And if you tell me Chador's
on the team, when do fans start going, Let's go
to Shador Sanders, I would say the exact same time,
so you can see what's coming from a mile away.

(11:15):
Though I understand why they made this move, if I
was in their shoes, probably would make this move too.
I'm desperate. I have no other options. What else am
I supposed to do? I can't just go Well, even
if we feel like one confident that Chador is going
to be there, three and we plan on drafting them. Well,
like if Chador can't beat out Jamis in training camp,

(11:35):
and Jamis is my starting quarterback going into the season
with you know, and I'm desperately trying to like compete
for the seventh seed in a conference that while it
doesn't have Mahomes and Burrow and Lamar, it's still got
Like I don't know, Jalen Hurts, Jayden Daniels, Jared Goff,
I mean, Matt Stafford, Jordan Loves been a playoff quarterback

(11:56):
two years in a row. Brock Perties won some playoff games,
like Jamis Baker Mayfield, Like it ain't gonna work. This
ain't gonna work now, Dak Prescott, We're at a huge
advantage in all of our divisional games if that's the case. So,
like I said, big Headline, I don't know if there's

(12:17):
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Speaker 1 (13:58):
You know, I thought about going to hit some golf
ball and go outside today, but it was like ninety
two degrees. So it's a hot one in Arizona. But
I do come from the Andy Reid School, where the
hotter it is outside, the lower yr air conditioning goes,
and my office is cranking at about sixty five degrees.
I'm actually kind of chilly. I had to put on
a pullover to stay warm.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I was like, God, it's cold in here.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
But it got me thinking because I think I'm gonna
bet on Scotty Scheffler to win this week. And it's
not because I'm confident in the guy, and I think
if he cannot get it done, we have to go.
Something is seriously off relative to the guy that we
saw last week and last year at this tournament. Heading
into the Masters, Scottie Scheffler finished second, and he missed

(14:42):
under a ten foot putt on eighteen to force a playoff.
He was playing at an extremely high level. He had
won at Arnold Palmer, he had won the Players, he
had just been a major factor. It was clear like
this guy is playing at just a complete elite level
and he deserves to be talked about like the best

(15:03):
player in the world, and he started being treated like that,
like Tiger in his heyday. From a gambling standpoint, in
a golf tournament, it's you are playing so well if
you are ten to one favorite against one hundred and
fifty people. Rory right now, having won twice this year,
hovers between seven to nine to one, which is insane.

(15:26):
It is hard to pull the trigger when you are
getting those odds. Hel Rory to win the Masters, something
he's never accomplished, is currently six and a half to one.
Scotti Scheffler hovers between three and three and a half
to one, which I had no problem with last year,
and there were times where it's like, yeah, this is nuts,
but it's actually the right thing to do. And then

(15:47):
there's right now, like, to me, he should fall back
and if he can't win this weekend or at least
be a major factor, I think it's time to like
just we got to acknowledge that whatever happened with that
wineglass and the ravioli has really thrown them off. I
mean when you watched him at the Players. From just

(16:07):
a personality standpoint, listen, it's golf. I lost one hundred
bucks last Saturday, and I threw a hat on twelve
and started screaming a f bombs.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I lost.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
It happens to us all. It is a frustrating sport.
Hell Gordon Sargent, who look like the number one prospect
in all of college golf, who look like a lock,
like the next Ludwig, the next Victor Hovlin, the next
Colin Morikawa. I just someone forward it to me. Last
week he got benched on his college team. He hadn't

(16:37):
finished within the top fifty of any event so far
in twenty twenty five, and I guess they qualify every
single week at Vanderbilt, and their last tournament he did
not represent the team.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
They didn't even bring.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Them, which shows you in golf, it can come and
go really fast. Now, usually when you're at the peak
of your game, it takes something weird to happen. I mean,
I saw Brandal SHAMBLEI said yesterday to Dan Rappaport that
he thought Tiger Woods changing his swing in the four
to h five range when he was at the peak

(17:11):
of his powers, kicking the living You know what, out
of everybody is the most insane thing that's ever happened
in sports. And at first time I thought when he
said that, I was like, Ah, is that kind of
a Stephen a curveball here from Brandal and they start
thinking about it, it's pretty insane. It's like you are
annihilating everybody. You are winning majors at a historic clip,
and it's like, yeah, just change your swing. But that's

(17:33):
part of golf and we'll dive into Victor Hovlin. Unlike
all these other sports, like you have a ton of
time to think. How even when you are playing, the
walk between each shot is a lot of time in
your head. It's not like us driving golf carts, where
you got thirty seconds, I mean, depending on how far
you hit it between each shot. In golf, like you're
taking slow walks. You're playing with other people, so it's

(17:55):
like you have a lot of time to think. And
as Brandal mentioned as well, the worst place and the
stuff that ruins players happens more often than not, not
on the course, not in the weight room, not at
home with their family, on the driving range. And there
was a clip at the players of Scotti Scheffler working

(18:17):
with his coach like getting really frustrated. I don't blame
him because last year he had to feel like indestructible,
and this year it's not like he's even playing that bad.
He's played in five events, he's made all five cuts.
His worst finish of the five events is the Waste
Management where he finished twenty fifth. Now he was the
two time defending champion, or I guess Nick Taylor had

(18:37):
won it last year.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
He had won it multiple times.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
But he shot seventy two on Sunday, So if Scotty
had just shot a couple shots better, he probably finished
like fifteenth or twelfth, T nine, T three, T eleven,
T twenty. It's not like he's bad. And again he's
being held now to the standard of like last year
was a Tiger Woods like season. Is that who you are?
And the thing that made Tiger such a great player

(19:03):
is he maintained it for such a long period of time.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
We have seen a.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Lot of players, Jason Day, Jordan Spieth, I mean, certain
guys have like incredible eighteen month stretches. It's very rare
that you just see a guy dominate. And this sport,
and this is what makes golf so great. It's an
individual sport, and ideally you get a guy that's everyone's chasing.
Tiger was like that for the majority of you know,

(19:27):
my youth before I was born, you know, Jack Nicholas,
Arnold Palmer, when I was really young, before Tiger came
on the scene, Greg Norman and.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Nick Faldo were right there.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
You know, Rory's had his moments, but not winning a
major in over a decade takes it away a little bit.
Kopka in the majors was unreal, but he didn't do
much outside of those. You know, DJ was winning a
tournament or two a year, but it wasn't like it
felt like he was.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Tiger or Phil.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Phil had a little stretch in the late two thousands.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
But it's like the sport is better off.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
It's like this guy is the clearcut dominant person I
think sports is in general, like it is so much
better when you like, everyone's chasing Shaq and Kobe and
the Lakers. Everyone is chasing the late nineties Yankees, everyone's
chasing the New England Patriots for twenty years. Like I'm sorry,
we've all seen that sports benefit from parody is very,

(20:21):
very overrated. I mean you're hearing this a lot. With
the NCAA tournaments like our Cinderella is dead. Yeah, have
they really ever been that alive? We have had individual moments,
but for the most part, the best programs consistently dominate.
Now with nil, it's not gonna be a fair fight.
It was never really a fair fight. There were just

(20:43):
some upsets here and there. Now those days are probably,
I don't want to say long gone. It's still basketball.
It's still a one game situation. But given the power
of individual players in that sport, and given that the
top programs are gonna have all the money, yeah, it's
gonna and the moment you get a good player at
a smaller school, they can steal him from you. It's

(21:05):
gonna be difficult. But I think the one thing you
see with golf and listen, I'm going through it in
my own game right now. I'm like, I'm struggling to
break eighty five.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
A couple of years ago, I was.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Like a three handicap, and it's like, I don't know
what to do. And listen, I can't even imagine being
a pro having all these people look at you, having
all these people talk about you. Scotty in these press
conference is getting edgy. He's you know, got a new
kid he's probably not sleeping like he used to when
he was younger. There's a lot going on in his life,
and obviously the injury kind of derailed some of the momentum.

(21:33):
But like, I'm sorry, like for a guy that you
just chalking in like he's gonna win the Masters. He's
gonna win the Masters, which it felt like the last
couple of years, like it's hard to bet against Scotty,
even those odds are really shitty, Like to me, if
he just comes in like t eleven in this tournament,
which again his floor at this event I would say
would be like fifteenth, but like last year, he probably

(21:55):
should have won because he makes the putt on eighteen
forces extra holes, like who's betting against Scotty Scheffler in
a playoff against Steven Yeger, which I've heard Steven Yeager
on a podcast.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
He's actually a pretty likable guy.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
But like, I'm just sorry you're not winning that event, right,
I mean, we saw JJ spond they had a night
to think Rory JJ spahd like not a fair fight,
and I think I'm just fascinated.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
To watch it.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I like watching greatness, and last year it felt like
Scotty was just so much better than everybody else. I'll
never forget. Like a moron, I was, and I kind
of plan on doing it again. You gotta be crazy
unless you're just like super rich to put large individual
bets on people to win PGA and majors like I mean,

(22:42):
for the most part, I rarely get above like a
hundred bucks betting it out right, because the odds of
you picking the winner is slim the nut.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
It's extremely hard.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I've done it a couple times, I would say, over
the last like three years. But I'm also betting literally
every week, and it's very, very difficult to do. But
I was like kind of Cocky's the wrong word, but
I was. I was weirdly confident last year in Rory
McElroy going in to Augusta. I put a thousand dollars
on him, which is by far the biggest individual bet

(23:13):
I've ever placed on someone to win the golf s turn.
I've done large bets on top twenties in top tens,
and but you got way more leeway there. And I
remember after I think it was round one, it might
have been two now it was one because the wind
was up and it was like Rory and Scotty are
playing a different game and I don't feel like that
right now, and I think part of that is, you know,

(23:35):
clearly over I feel like the offseason, which is kind
of weird in golf, but it's a couple of months.
But Rory doesn't play that much in the fall relative
to some you know, of the lower tier players. It
feels like he's much better with a sandwich in his hand.
Still not great. I'm not comparing him to like Tiger
or Phil here, but like if if you gave Rory

(23:56):
like Tiger or Phil's short game, he would have fifty
plus wins right now, right because actually now he's a
pretty good putter, but his short game and really he's
just his wedge game from like ninety yards for an
all time great player, you don't have that much confidence
in him yet, Like Scotty or Xander when they're playing well,
you have a lot of confidence in them with that

(24:17):
club in their hand. Like most human beings, if I
gave you a ninety yard shot, even if you're a
single digit handicap, it's gonna be very hit or miss,
depending on the flag position, depending on the green. Like
but you give Scotty Scheffler when he's playing, well, a
short club in his hand, like it's gonna be relatively tight,
and I don't know what we've got to see.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Scotty's losing his mojo a little bit. Putting definitely can
relate to that as well. But I think that the tour,
you know, I think they need two guys. They either
need Scotty to get it back or they need Roorer
to keep kicking ass. Because I respect Xander and he's
an awesome player. Obviously he got hurt as well with
the rib injury, but like he can't carry the sport

(25:00):
and the reality is for as great as Bryson is,
and he is one of the rare needle movers. He
only shows up four times a year. So Rory's playing
this week. I really don't think this week really matters
to him at all. Like if you told me he
was just working on one specific thing that he wanted
to carry over to Augusta, didn't even care about making
the cut. I'm not saying he's gonna do that. I'd
be like, yeah, it doesn't matter. I mean, he's already

(25:22):
won twice and he looks fantastic, so I think it's
a big week for Scotty. I'm actually betting on him
to win, because if Scotty's gonna kind of get back
to where he's been, I think he wins this week
and a couple other guys. You know, I like Jason
Day this week. I mean I like Jason Day most
weeks to top twenty. Davis Riley is a guy that
when he first came out on tour from Alabama, I

(25:45):
used to gamble on and then he kind of fell
off a cliff. Well, he finished seventh at Puerto Rico.
Like a month ago, he finished I think top ten.
Last week he made the cut at the Players. He
just got a little momentum. And sometimes I just like
fighting guys when they're hot and you get them in
like three to one to top twenty. So this feels
a little weird because you get a lot of guys

(26:06):
that you know, just wait until the Masters to play,
which which is fine depending on who you are. But
I don't think, you know, I know Scotty, this is
a Texas event means something to him, but I think
on the course, playing well means a lot to him. Okay,
last week, Vals Bar, you know one of the things

(26:27):
with the PGA Tour that Live is just I was
in the car today and I was flipping around radio
stations and Webb Simpson was who's part of like the
player pack was calling in and doing an interview with
PGA Tour Radio, and clearly one thing that they are
butting heads with. I think why this negotiation is taking

(26:49):
longer is because the Saudis and Live and I don't
know if it's Yaser, I don't know if it's the
players on Live pushing back whatever is going down, is
like they're adamant of having like a legit team element
to when this merge happens. And at the end of
the day, golf is an individual sport, just like tennis.

(27:11):
It doesn't mean we can't have a couple team events,
which golf does. It's called the Ryder Cup and the
President's Cup. But I don't think the consumer gives a
shit about team golf. Throughout the season, it does not matter.
So the problem is is the financial situation and I

(27:33):
don't want to say desperation, but the tour needs some
of those guys back that you know, It's not like
you can just tell them to kick rock. So you
have to negotiate with them. But you know, watching Hoveland
and watching Justin Thomas, who essentially turned into kind of
like a duel down the back nine last week in Florida.

(27:53):
And part of what the tour brings the table when
you get bigger names is there is such a built
up star to them with these human beings, right like
when you turn on the Lakers playing the Warriors, you
just get Steph Curry, Draymond Green, Lebron James Luca, Jimmy Butler.
Like you have so much history with these players. You know,

(28:14):
you have watched the ebb and flow of their careers.
Right with the Yankees this year, if they make another
push try to win a World Series, like you have
been following Aaron Judges' career now for a long period
of time. The good and the bad and part of
these two guys, And this is the nature of golf
for basically every player in the history of the sport

(28:37):
is you're gonna go through the mud. You're gonna have really,
really shitty times. Even when you're a player like Justin Thomas,
who you know, probably for his generation his age group,
is easily one of the most accomplished players of his generation,
probably one of the better Americans right one, fifteen times
on tour one a couple of majors, is probably, if

(28:57):
not the best top two or three writer player of
all time. You know, is now kind of synonymous with
Tiger Woods. They're best friends, obviously, his relationship with Jordan Spieth.
He's just a very very important part of American golf.
And Victor Hoveland, who several years ago, you know, if

(29:18):
golf was football, he would have been viewed as like
an Abdual Carter, a Jamar Chase, you know, a Miles Garrett.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Like he was a.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Blue chip number one overall pick, and then he got
to the PGA Tour and within like a year, You're like,
holy shit, if this guy can figure out how to chip,
watch out. And then guess what, he figured out how
to chip. And in twenty twenty three, a couple of
years after he turned pro, he had three wins and
nine top tens and won thirty million dollars. At the

(29:50):
end of twenty twenty three, I would say most people
that fall golf pretty closely would have made the argument
this guy right now, not by the rankings, but just
right now is the best player in the world. And
then a year later it's like he's in the wilderness.
He's changed his swing, he's a tinkerer, and he just
looked like a shell of himself. He was missing cuts.

(30:13):
He only had two top tens in twenty twenty four,
and then this season got even worse. I mean, two
weeks ago at the Players he shot eighty, which for
most of us feel pretty good leaving the course. Shooting
eighty for a pro golfer like that number is a
pretty eye opening experience. But held the week before at
the Arnold, Palmer shot seventy seven and he was giving

(30:34):
quotes like, I suck, I don't know where the ball
is going. My shots are disgusting. These were quotes last
week at the vaalst Bar when he won. So it's
very relatable now when you're at the highest level, like
a guy like this, once you can kind of figure

(30:54):
out where your miss is, like you can kind of
I don't even want to say fake it, but you
can figure it out. And then if you watched him
on Sunday coming down the stretch, he looked like the
twenty twenty three version, especially with his irons from the
middle of the fairway. It's like this guy is pin hunting.
But like, one thing that was cool about those two
guys decking it out was like, these are two of

(31:15):
the better players when they're playing well in the world,
but we have history with them now of really struggling,
and it makes them very relatable. It's why, like Victor Hovelin,
who came out in Colin Morikawa's class. You look at
Colin's quotes from a couple weeks ago, I don't owe
anyone anything. And then you got Victor Hovelin, who probably

(31:38):
felt a couple weeks ago like I'm at the lowest
point of my career. I bet he hadn't felt that
way in his golfing career potentially, Ever, like high school, college,
the pros, like I would imagine he is never in
anything that is mattered, ever played this shitty, and never
felt that lost, and yet he is giving these eloquent answers,

(32:02):
these eloquent press conferences of just like wearing it, and
it's like God, that makes him more relatable. Justin Thomas
had a two shot lead on the back nine. This
is a guy that's won. I mean, he's five wins
away from having twenty plus wins on tour. And when
he blew the lead in Victor Hoblin, Now did he
blow it? Did Victor Hobblin take it? Kind of a

(32:24):
combination of him both. Justin Thomas gave multiple press conferences.
He talked, I think, to Smiley before he even signed
his card, and then he just gave a normal press
conference after and it actually and listen, he's older and
more cowa. It like made him and Justin's a guy.
I think that some people who's turned off over the years.

(32:44):
To me, it made him more likable, more relatable and
just kind of more real, Like, yeah, I'm a guy.
I've made a lot of money playing golf. You know,
no one feels sorry for any of us. It's viewed
as you know, this saw activity that you know, people
get labeled as country club guys. And I have felt

(33:05):
like one of the leaders in that clubhouse. Yet like
I can wear this and take this on the chin
and be and not act like a sore loser and
storm off and be a good partner for people I'm
in business with, aka NBC. So I give a lot
of credit to JT because even before he I mean,
he probably should have won that tournament. He's playing well

(33:28):
I mean, that's his third top ten this year. Like,
I think you could bet the farm of Justin Thomas
winning a golf tournament this year. I feel pretty confident.
But I also watch a guy that feels a lot
more mature.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
I saw this clip go viral of.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Baker Mayfield, and when you watch Baker Mayfield talk now,
I don't think he's quite thirty yet late twenties. He
just comes off and sounds like a different human being
than the guy five or six years ago when he
first got to Cleveland. That's part of you get Mary's
You have kids, you kind of grow, you mature, and
that's kind of what I feel like just and Thomas

(34:00):
has become. We know, like these guys, and I'd say
the same thing about Victor Hovland is that they are
not gonna.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Not figure it out.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
I think it would be stunning if a guy like
that in kind of this era just disappears forever. I
think it used to happen more, but with technology, with
the resources they have, they're just gonna figure it out.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Now.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
One thing that Hoveland says that I do think a
lot of people push back, like why are you tinkering?
Why are you changing your swing. You're in your mid
to late twenties, you're in the peak of your powers.
You just won thirty million dollars on the PGA Tour,
you won the FedEx Cup, you won multiple times on
the PGA Tour. Why would you mess with anything? And
I do, And I've noticed this in myself, is like

(34:48):
as you age, maybe you lift a little bit differently
and muscles change. I do think your natural swing path
and your flexibility can change. Jordan Speeth has been talking
about this for year. There are ways that he swung
in the peak of his powers in like fourteen fifteen
sixteen era that he's like, I can't make that swing.
My body does not allow me to do it. So

(35:10):
I have to figure out a way to still try
to play like that, but with a different swing, and
it can be very frustrating. And I don't think I
hear many people that cover golf ever discuss that element,
like bodies dramatically change now overnight, Like does Victor Hoblin
have to do it overnight?

Speaker 3 (35:28):
I think we can question that.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
You know, did Justin Thomas do something similar when he
was playing pretty well a couple of years ago and
then not like his swing very possible, because the other
thing that's different now than probably even twenty years ago,
let alone in the seventies, eighties, nineties, is the power
of video, the phones, the being able to text stuff

(35:51):
to coaches, the being able to overstudy clearly the numbers.
I mean, you can overthink I mean what I do,
the analytics of what works, what doesn't. You know, what
I should never do again, what you should stay away
from Sometimes like you just had a bad show. It
just wasn't an interesting topic. That doesn't mean to never
talk about that again. You just took a bad angle.

(36:14):
And I think with the amount of metrics that I
have access to that most people listening have access to
in whatever profession you're in, you can over quantify anything
in your head. And it's easy, especially if you kind
of like numbers. It's easy to throw yourself off by
diving too deep into them. There has to be some
sort I don't care what you do, of a gut

(36:36):
feel of like, yeah, this might not be the right
thing to do now. And you know, Victor Hoblin talked
to Depth about that after he won, because they asked
him if he was a perfectionist, and he said, isn't
part of being a pro athlete doing everything humanly possible
to get better. And I think he's not wrong with
that statement. But when you win the FedEx Cup and

(36:57):
you win three times on the PGA Tour, like you're
about as good as it gets. So can you just
maintain that for a while, Because if you just maintain
that level of play doesn't mean you're gonna win at
the same cliff, but you are gonna be in the
mix more often than not when you're as good as
you are. So and that's the difference between like, you know,

(37:18):
in football, like the Lions aren't gonna do a deep
dive and change a lot of things, but the forty
nine Ers, because they went six and eleven, like not
only look in the mirror, but it feels like they're
throwing a nuclear bomb on everything. If the forty nine ers,
instead of going six and eleven, had gone eleven and
six and lost to the Eagles in the NFC Championship Game,

(37:39):
they're probably not doing as big of a knee jerk reaction.
So like the Warriors, part of the reason they traded
for Jimmy Butler because they had a couple of years
of realizing like this is not working, so we got
to make a change. You do not really making changes
the Boston Celtics. Why don't really need to? Right, So
when you're doing things well, you can ride it out

(37:59):
for a while. Now when there's a light at the
end of the tunnel of like, we're going to be
able to stream everything. These DVDs are going to be
irrelevant pretty soon. Yeah, maybe there's a time to slowly
start to pivot. But like I do think golfers probably tends.
It has a lot of parallels to kicking. Look at

(38:19):
guys that can fall off a cliff. Baseball a lot
of time to think.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
You know, in.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Basketball, you just play, take more shots, just run, get
to the hoop.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
In football it's like, just just make a play full speed,
just hit someone hard, just do something full speed and
good things will happen. And Coffee just spends so much
time thinking, and I think it gets in the way
of some of these great players, because I don't think
it's just random that Justin Thomas and Victor Hovlin played

(38:50):
bad golf for a longer period of time after they
had just dominated. I think get in your own head.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Let's end on this.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
We will do a little at Golo Mailbag, So it's
at Golo Pod. At Golo Pod is the Instagram. Fire
in those dms and get your questions answered here on
the show.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
This is from Bobby.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Question for the mail bag. If you could pick one
player who's never won a major before to win a
major this year, who would it be, Which major?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
And why?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
For me, It'd be Tony Fenaw to win the Masters,
as it feels like a major victory. It would take
him from a solid PGA pro to a household name.
And for the fact that he's such an incredible ambassador
of the sport. He's great off the tee which is
paramount out Augusta and has been in the mix of
the Masters in the past. I e twenty nineteen against Tiger.
Curious to hear your thoughts, Well, I do it on

(40:00):
this one. I do have five hundred dollars. After I
had a big win on Tony few month ago, I
spread some of it out on Ludvig Aidberg to win
the Masters at like sixteen to one, so it would
win me like eighty five hundred dollars. So and that's
the only bet I have on the Masters. I think
I'm gonna place another one on Rory, so it would

(40:21):
be Ludvig. But if it was a non Ludwig player,
that's a pretty good question. Like I I don't have
like I I root for the guys that already have
majors that there's probably not a guy on the PGA
Tour right now that does not have a major that
I'm like in the bag for Like if Patrick Cantlay
never wins a Major, I'd have no issue with it.

(40:44):
I don't hate your Tony Finow. Like if Tony Fenow
were to win a Major, I think that would be
really cool. I would imagine that Tony is. I know
he's played well at the Masters before, but it does
feel like he'd be more likely to win. I don't
know the PGA Championship. He actually played well last year
at Pinehurst. If I was a betting man right now,

(41:06):
I doubt Tony Finale ever wins the Masters. Now over
under like how many majors is Tony ultimately gonna win?
I think the over under right now would be like
point five. Probably feels like a one major guy like
Adam Scott, Sergio Garcia and they he'd have an incredible
career if he wins the Major. But yeah, I don't

(41:26):
know if I have a guy like I think there
are guys with huge droughts, like Speith. When's the last
time he wons? I'm like sixteen or seventeen. I think
Jordan Speith winning a major would be just legendary. I
think if Rory could win the Masters, it would be
great for golf. I think Bryson. I think if Bryson
could win the Masters, I mean, how incredible would that be?

(41:50):
So I you know, I like Tommy Fleet would but
like if he doesn't win a major, I don't really care.
Most of the guys I feel like I root for
are already major champion, and it would have to be
someone specific that I'm gambling on, because there aren't.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Ludvig. I just like watching Ludwig play.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I saw Xander say in an interview that like one
thing that taught him at playing the TGL, He's like
I was trying to play like draws and cuts into
the screen, and I was playing Ludvig, and I just
watched Ludvig just aim and fire, and then I realized
Ludvig just basically plays golf like he's playing in a
simulator when he's playing just regular golf.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
So he's like, I just.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Copied him and just aimed at the pen and tried
to hit straight balls. So I again, he hasn't played
well lately. He fell a part of the players. But
I do think it'd be cool if Ludwig won a
major this year. Myrtle Beach extremely overrated. I live in
Charleston and work two days a week in Myrtle Beach.

(42:55):
There was good golf, but it's not worth flying all
the way from Arizona. Charleston has fewer options, but you
have a much better weekend in Charleston versus Myrtle Beach.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
I know this.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
No one and I mean no one like Southern charm
as much. Maybe there are people or more. Maybe there
are people as much, but not more than Maria. She
desperately wants to go to Charleston, so we might have
to do that this summer. Maybe I'll play little golf
and hang out there. Hi, John Hope all as well
with a new marriage. Looking to hit the ball farther.

(43:30):
I weigh about one hundred and fifty five pounds and
hit the ball two fifty two sixty on a good
floor today. My friends say I can hit the ball
farther if I change to a new driver, since mine
is fifteen years old, it's my best club because I
hit fairways. Working out is also the other option. So
this begs the question how many yards do you think
someone like me could gain with a workout regiment. I'm

(43:54):
a flexible dude, but not very muscular. Also, do new
drivers actually make us civilians hit it far and straighter
like the one Rory uses? Would love to hit it
too eighty consistently. I mean Rory and Tiger are pretty
like strong, But I mean what's justin Thomas Away one
hundred and sixty five pounds? Hitting the ball far is

(44:15):
not necessarily about like how much you can curl and bench.
It is way more about your swing path slash speed.
I do think the way if you have a fifteen
year old driver, I mean that is really old and
you are hitting the ball.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Two hundred and sixty yards.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
If you got newer technology, you don't need to get
a brand new one. Just go to the PGA superstore
and buy a couple of year old head of what
you know? Callaway Taylor may titleist whatever him hit him
into the thing. See what you like and just you
could take the shaft and you have right now basically
the same shafted grip, take the head off and put

(44:55):
the new head on the on the club like that.
That's what I would recommend doing. You could add probably
fifteen yards. The technology over the last fifteen years, I
would say over the last ten years has changed dramatically.
So I don't even think if you're hitting the ball
two hundred and sixty years old with a relic of

(45:16):
a club face or club head, I would just go
see if you can find a deal at some golf
store and just take the head and continue to use
your shaft. The gym is not as important. A flexibility matters,
but I think it's much more swing speed than you

(45:37):
know hidden the machines at the local gym. In terms
of golf, a question for the bag. If you had
to build the perfect player in terms of driving, irons, wedges, putting,
and overall mentality, who are you picking for each category?
Can't pick the same player twice. By the way, I'm

(45:58):
a watch dealer out here in Philly. No, you said
you're not a watch guy, but if you ever in
the market, Well, what's funny is I got my first
nice watch a couple of years ago, and when you
first get it, you're like, God, I'm gonna get a bunch.
And then I realized, I just wear it not that often.
Now some people know I'm a podcaster. So if I
went into meetings, and like, even the meetings I have,

(46:22):
like a big business meeting is over zoom, so like
it's not like I'm putting on a coat and a watch. Hell,
I don't even put on my wedding ring. So the
nice one, I wear a rubber one. Actually not one
on my hand right now because I forgot in the bathroom.
But I appreciate a good looking watch. I just given

(46:43):
my profession, I just don't wear them that often. And
once I have one, like do I need another one?
If I went into an office more often, I think
I would be more into them. And I understand people
that are in offices and meetings that they matter or
you know, I don't want to say they matter because
they I don't think they do. Like if you don't

(47:04):
have one, it doesn't matter. But I understand why people
wear them on a daily basis when they're interacting with
other people. Perfect player driving would be one rory if
if you pick Ludvig, I don't think that would be
crazy either. I would go Rory Irons. Last year you

(47:27):
go Scotty. This year you'd probably go Marikawa Wedges. I
think you could go this, you go driving Rory Irons,
Morekawa Wedges. I mean, last year Scotty around the Green
was incredible. H Now Phil in twenty twenty five, I

(47:50):
think historically you'd feel pretty good about Phil putting again,
are we doing historically? Like can I do like Steve
Stricker or Brad Faxon, or do I gotta do like
Russell Henley or you know, Danny McCarthy, Because if you're
going historically, you'd go Rory Tiger.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Short game, I.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Don't know who would considered to have the best short
game ever, like Ben Crenshaw or something like Tom Kite putting,
who's the greatest putter of all time? I feel I
just I just think Brad Faxon overall mentality. But if
you're doing current players, you go Rory Morikawa, Scottie with
the Wedges putting, you.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Just take whoever like Danny McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Overall mentality of guys currently playing, I think Justin Thomas
is just Tiger's not really close to him for no reason.
I mean, jt Is is a fucking killer now. His
driver let him down in that tournament, which you know,
it's kind of his downfall. Sometimes putting feels like he's
better on the greens now, but like he's aiming for

(49:02):
the big cut on eighteen and he just.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Pumps it left.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
It happens, But it does feel like with this modern
technology and how hardy swings, you know, sometimes he just
pumps it into the trees. I mean a couple of
years ago, remember when he was trying to make it
to the next level of the playoffs, he hit one
of the most incredible shots ever to give him his
chance to chip it in. I forget where they playing
like Hartford, but the reason he had to hit one

(49:30):
of the best shots ever because he was behind a tree.
He's got a little tiger in him too, like he
can be squorely off the tee. But I do think
his mentality in his mindset is as good as it
gets on the tour when he's playing right. What's in
the bag currently? I was thinking I've been asked this

(49:52):
question a bunch. I think I'll do a video for
Instagram in the next week or two and post up
what's in the back. It's actually not that cool. Think
in my wedges. Sometimes when you see like a pro
on Instagram, they're like how often you change your wedges,
and the guy's like, uh, every other week keep the
grooves clean, or like at minimum once a quarter. I
think I have had the same sand wedge and gap

(50:15):
wedge fifty degree like titleist wedges easily five or six years,
maybe even long, maybe even like seven years. My fifty
eight degree. I think I had lost my sixty degree
one day playing. This is when I lived in the
Bay Area, So I just went into like the local
golf shop to just try to buy like a lob wedge.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
And I found this fifty eight degree.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I kind of liked.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
That was probably four or five years ago. It's probably
one of my favorite clubs in the bag. Then I
just have like seven ninety tailor made irons, which I've
probably had for five or six years.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Four or five years.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Did I remember instagramming a guy It was a tailor
made rep on Instagram, and he gave me a code
for forty fifty percent off, So I remember getting the
set for like fifteen hundred dollars and it costs me
like seven hundred, and then I just took it to
like a Club Champion and they kind of bent them
and cut them down for me. My woods, I have

(51:15):
a tailor made hybrid and three wood that I bought
from the PGA superstore. Literally just went and hit them
and bought them. And then I have a special shaft
from Club Champion that I used to use with a
different head that I have like the Maverick head on
it now from Callaway. So it's it's a mixed mismatch

(51:37):
of clubs, probably why my handicap is currently rising at
rapid speed. Would you rather win Augusta one time or
when the other three each once? I feel like three
majors is hard to beat, but the prestige in history
behind Augusta gives me reason to stop and think about it. Also,
it's cool knowing that you'd always be invited back to

(52:00):
each year. I think if it was two of them, right,
if it was like one was the PGA and one
was the other, the US Open or the Open, I
think the answer, unequivocally, without hesitation is the masters. I
think when it's the three of them, like you win
three majors you're a Hall of Famer even if those

(52:23):
are your only three wins. Ever, if you've won a
US Open, the Open, and the PGA Championship, I think
you're a law Hall of Famer. But I still think
you think about it because you know, golf is not
the NFL or basketball or the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Or it's just it's there is a.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Very in Listen. I'm passionate and I watch it, I
play it. I love it, but I'm not I'm in
the football business. I understand it's lack of gravity on
the on a bigger scale. Now it's more popular than
ever from a playing standpoint, But I mean, Grant Horvat's
more popular than probably ninety eight percent of the PGA tour,

(53:07):
and rightfully so.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
He does good shit. Actually, I watch a lot of
YouTube golf, Like I watched.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Wesley Bryan play this shitty course yesterday or last night
with Jason Day.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
They're just entertaining.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
It was very entertained, whether it's the Brian Bros. Grant,
I watch good, good take on Joel Damon, like ten
of them that was entertaining at Wikipa. Obviously, Bob does
is just the best and hilarious like it's just a
good product. It's just very entertaining. And unless you're just
a golf nut, I do understand where PGA golf cannot

(53:40):
be entertaining. It's not exactly Bill's Chiefs. I get it.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Even if it's Rory and Scotty. It bores a lot
of people.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
But you win the Masters. If you just say, hey,
I've won the Masters, someone that doesn't give a shit
about golf, and that's an NBA fan or a hockey fan,
knows exactly what you mean. So I think the power
of being a Master's champ, having the green jacket and being.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Part of that.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I think if you wanted to decide that, I'd have
to think long and hard. I'd probably just choose the Masters.
I probably would, but it is hard. Three majors and
that's you'd be considered like one of the great players
in the sport. But like Xander Shaffley is a good

(54:27):
example because he's won he's a US Open away from
having three of them.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
He won the PGA last year, he won the British
Open last year. If he wins the US Open, he'll
probably end up with like fifteen victories. And let's just
say he ends up winning the US Open, never wins
the Masters, Like, would Xander have been way more famous
if Xander Shaffley just won the Masters and never those tournaments,
I think you could say, yeah, he wouldn't be as rich. Probably,
But that's a great question. If the PGA was really

(54:58):
worried about ratings and viewership, don't you think they would
figure out the utter disaster of setting tea times. Here
I am watching the first round of the biggest non
major tournament of the year and Speith, Wyndam Clark, Scepstraca,
Tom kim Aberg, Thagala Henley are already through fourteen or
fifteen holes. Can you speak to all the broadcasting network

(55:19):
rights that the PGA is going on right now because
it is not working and if they want to increase viewership,
they need to change. Well, the way a golf tournament
works on Thursday and Friday one beside the Majors, every
other golf tournament is just on Golf channel, and a
good golf channel viewership is not seven figures. So you are,

(55:43):
and I'm definitely this. We are a very very small
audience relative to most sports watching Golf channel non majors.
Thursday and Friday. But the way golf tournament works is
there are two flights of people. Groups go off in
the morning and groups go off in the afternoon, So
you have to split the groups. So one of your

(56:06):
TV windows on Thursday is going to get the afternoon group. Well,
if you load up like you're saying, Thursday afternoon with
every guy that's in the field, that's worth the shit.
You know, all the top twenty five players, well, the
next day they would tee off in the morning, so

(56:27):
it would change the viewership window Friday. Who you'd be
watching a bunch of random no name guys. Now they
might be leading that individual tournament or playing well, but
the group of Scheffler's and Rory's and you know, justin Thomas's,
even in a major, Bryson's and you name it would
have already played. So it's not like you can't put

(56:51):
them afternoon afternoon because there is an integrity of the
field and playing in the morning is different playing in
the afternoon. I would imagine if I talk to rules
official or you know, Jack Nicholas, like, why do they
do rotate the tea times? It's because the integrity of
a golf course.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
If you've ever me and you.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
T off tomorrow at TPC Scottsdale at seven am, and
then we teed off the following day at one o'clock
in the afternoon. Like our experiences could be a lot different.
Sometimes the wind kicks up around lunch, so it makes
the golf course play different. Where on the weekends, anyone
that's in the mix are all playing at the same time,

(57:31):
but they cut down the field. And the other thing
is because of the size of the field, right, you
have one hundred and fifty guys playing, not fifty. You
can't put them all in the afternoon or some of
these events, like the elevated events that have seventy people in.
You can kind of cook the books on that, but
that's not how the players is. There's one hundred and
fifty people playing in it. Love the pod. Been listening

(57:54):
to your content, Appreciate it. This from Nick had to
laugh at your wedding ring golf story. I'd married fifteen
years in an avid golfer and Jim Goer. I was
taking off my ring to do both and lost it
three times the first six months of marriage, replacing it
each time. Eventually I just acknowledged I will keep losing

(58:16):
it and told my wife, Honey, I love you and
we are married.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
A piece of jewelry.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Doesn't need to prove that haven't worn one, since.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Listen, unless you are, I would say, one of those
horn dogs out there and just has ulterior motives in
the head, right, or just a really good looking dude.
You know, if you're not out attempting to do nefarious stuff,
not having your ring on is not going to phase

(58:50):
most guys.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Right.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
It's not like women are walking up to the majority
of humans and hitting on you, but like it does
mean something to her. What I've done is I just
ordered I forget the they're called no free ads here,
but the thunderfit. They're the rubber black rings, and I
have about twenty already.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I've already lost a couple.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I just have unlimited amount of black ones, and those
are just I wear to the gym, shower, play golf,
just do activities, just in life. I don't have it
on right now because I.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
I took it off earlier for some reason.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Oh because sometimes when I put lotion on my face,
I hate the lotion that gets into it, so I
take it off and then you forget, but I'm not
worried about losing it. If if I would have worn
the ring that I bought myself, I would have it
already be gone. And I've been married for three weeks,
two and a half weeks, it would be it'd be

(59:47):
one lost it just it would not exist. I would
have no.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Clue where it is.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
But the rubber rings are a game changer for me
because I actually don't look bad and that they're you know,
if you buy a pack of however many, they're like,
I don't know, seven bucks a ring. I don't even care.
I mean, it just it doesn't and I haven't even
I don't even maybe I've lost one, but you don't
even think about it. And when you bought it, they

(01:00:13):
give you this thing that has like fifty percent off,
so you can buy another pack for like a pack
of ten for I don't know, thirty forty bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
That's the game changer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Okay, audios, everybody, have a great day. Talk to you soon,
see you. The volume