November 29, 2023 • 58 mins
Colin defends Jim Harbaugh from the fallout and continued criticisms regarding an alleged sign-stealing scheme by pointing out Harbaugh is already one of the greatest head coaches in Michigan football history. He discusses the Warriors struggles after another disappointing loss and why this dynasty is ending in similar fashion to other great sports dynasties. Colin reacts to breaking NFL news about the return of Aaron Rodgers from an Achilles injury. Plus, Fox Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show in studio to breakdown the various scenarios to get the final 4 teams for this year's College Football Playoff.
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Joel klat In one hour Michigan the Kings of college football.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Leads until we get to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Jamak had a very interesting conversation last night with a
very well connected college football insider. In the insider was saying,
the word is all around that Michigan program, Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Moving on.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It feels like an after the potential national championship.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, I think they're probably going to get there. Colin,
I'm excited for it.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
All right, we start with that.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Jeremy Fowler, respected journalist, said, Harbaugh's name has percolated around
the NFL. There is a belief that this might.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Be the year.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Take away the fact that maybe you just don't you know,
Like Jim Harbaugh, Michigan has had three great coaching hires
in the history of this esteemed football program. Lloyd Carr
was there for thirteen won seventy five percent of his
games in a natty bo Schembeckler's probably the biggest legend
there for twenty one seasons, five times he finished in
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the top four. And then indisputably it's Jim Harbaugh who's
going to his third straight season, finishing in the top
four only their nine years, but winning seventy seven almost
seventy eight percent of the games. Lloyd Carr, Schambeckler, Jim Harbaugh.
Those are their three great football hires. But with Harbaugh,
unlike the other two at least in their prime, with Harbaugh,
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he's become like politics and religion. You can't change anybody's
opinion on him, and everybody's got a strong opinion on
him right. But more than anything, this can't be disputed.
Ohio State was arguably, along with Alabama, the best college
football program in America about four years ago. Now they
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are the second best football program in their own conference.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
The Big Ten.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Jim Harbaugh has relegated Ohio State to just another team.
Michigan beats focus, physical, run first, power football, just like
the Niners Stanford. Ohio State was pushed around by Michigan
for the third year in a row. And this was
the great Ohio State defense, it was vaunted, was exceptional,
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and yet Ohio State scored on every single drive of
the second half. They weren't kneeling. With over one hundred
and twenty yards rushing in the second half. That is
owning somebody. It was just four years ago that Ohio
State was second to Alabama in most eyes. Now they're
second in the Big Ten. And like politics and religion,
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the Harbaugh haters line up. They've got to find a
way to tear him down. He's chating the scandal at
signs again without the signs. Michigan, even more dominant than
previous years, scored on every second half drive. They didn't kneel.
In politics these days, if you're wrong, you can claim
it was rigged. That's clever, isn't it. In religion you
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can claim if you're wrong, well, the man upstairs doesn't
exist at all, right, you can be agnostic. And in
football Ohio State can claim a lot of things, but
one thing is indisputable. As long as Jim Harbaugh remains
the coach of Michigan, you may occasionally beat him, but
they will have the best coach and the best culture
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in the series. That is indisputable. They are power football personified.
Ohio State now gets pushed around at the line of scrimmage,
even their vaunted defenses camp stop Michigan in second halves.
In politics, you can just claim we actually won. It
was rigged at Ohio State. You can claim it's cheating.
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It was removed this year and again they scored on
every drive. They didn't kneel. The only way, unlike religion,
you can't claim he doesn't exist. The only way to
retake this series if you're a Buckeye go back to
the start of my rant.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Cross your fingers that he leaves. That's the only way,
all right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So the Warriors last night played sort of an up
and coming Warrior team, the Secon Crimental Kings. They had
a great playoff series last year. A lot of people
like Sacramento Beam Light Light Beam, whatever it was called.
Everybody loved Sacramento and they just weren't quite ready to win,
but they got close. They met again last night. Warriors
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had this game, but Steve Kerr doesn't like playing young guys,
pulled out Moses Moody, who was hot, went on with
the old guys and it didn't work. But one of
the things in sports that's important. Instead of nitpicking Tiger
in his prime or knit picking this quarterback or that quarterback,
enjoy the ride while it's great, because greatnessn't long last
very long. Find me a dynasty, and I think the
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Warriors dynasty is officially dead. Find me one that elegantly ended,
that ended on their terms. The Patriots now a mess.
Spurs bottomed out, Joe Gibbs left Washington, they've never recovered. Spurs,
Lakers post Kobe half decade awful. If you look at
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Michael Jordan leaving the Bulls the next six years, I
believe the most win Chicago had was thirty. None of
them end elegantly, and usually for the same reason. Right,
you get overly loyal to people that got you trophies.
They're past their prime. You sign them to one more contract.
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There's cap space limitations, you're missing a draft pick. This
is where I'll give the Warriors a lot of credit.
They tried to infuse this roster with draft picks, youth,
new guys, but D'Angelo Russell, like he is with the Lakers,
was too screwy.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
They got rid of him.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Andre Iguodala was great briefly, Bogut great, got hurt. But
the draft picks, Wiseman coaminga moody none of them work.
And I think there's a reason none of them work.
Jordan Poole, Why don't they work well? Number one, Steph
Clay and Draymond and Steve Kerr coaching it. It's very
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high IQ basketball and increasingly in college sports. You get
Wemby at nineteen or check Holmgren at nineteen or twenty.
They're not emotionally ready to play, they're not physically ready
to play. So you have this like legendary offense Draymon
and staff of the Catalyst. It's very very young, virtually
impossible for young guys to fit in. They're just not
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ready to play. And the other thing is that it's
a unique system with two incredibly unique players Draymond Green
and staff. And for the record, old stars mostly don't
like playing with young guys. When Lebron James went to Miami,
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d Wade Bosh, He recruited ray Allen Batty A loved Haslam,
Mike Miller. When Lebron went to Cleveland, they could have
had Andrew Wiggins as a pick. He's like, give me
Kevin love. Kyrie Irving's been around a few years. He
didn't want the young guys. When Lebron gots a lost
angelus at Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, he got him out
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of town. He wanted Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant chose Kyrie Irving.
Now he goes to Phoenix. He wants older guys. Go
look at Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, the great players. After
they have the bag and rings. They don't want to
be mentors. They don't want to be school teachers? Right,
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What can you do for them? What can you do
for me? And that doesn't mean Steph Curry selfish? He's
the opposite. But Draymond Green's got no tolerance for Jordan Poole.
Either does Claire Steph. They don't have any time to
waste on Kuminga unable to figure out the offense or
Wiseman's nineteen years old, can't even have a glass of
wine at the Hotel Bar.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I'll have time for it.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Lebron doesn't want to play with young guys. Katie didn't
want to play with young guys. Michael Jordan didn't want
to play with kids. Steph Draymont don't either. It's nobody's fault.
Steve Kurt doesn't want to coach him. Last night, Moody
was red hot fourth quarter, pulled him out one with
the old guys.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Steve doesn't want to coach young kids.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's understandable old stars don't want and don't generally.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Mesh with the young guys. They're past that stage.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Here was Charles Barkley last night on TNT on the
Fading Warriors.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
As I told y'all, this team is cooked. Y'all thought
I was crazy. They got away last year because Steph
went crazy in Game seven. Sacramento should have beat them.
They did two different things. No, no, I'm saying, and
with Candice point Steph, he gonna start slowing down too.
They got an old team.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Everybody slows down.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
It looks like people forgot last year. Sacramento went there,
They was like they gonna win Game six at home.
Sacramento went in there and kicked their butt. Then I said, man,
sacrament I picked him to win that series, but Steph
went crazy. He's not gonna be able to continue to
do that because those other guys aren't the same either,
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they're older.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It doesn't inelegantly. Did you ever think in your life,
after watching twenty years of the Patriots dynasty they would
be embarrassing, because that's what they are now like they're embarrassing.
Belichick seems completely out of touch. Greg Popovich got the
number one pick for a reason. They bottomed out. The
Bulls look so smartly run for years, and then they weren't.
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The Lakers are the biggest brand in the NBA post Kobe,
hard to watch. This is the way it was destined
to end. They'll have their moments, But winning a seven
game series over the Warriors, or excuse me, over the Nuggets,
over the Celtics, over the Bucks, over the Sixers, I
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don't see it, and right now, not over the Kings either.
All right, j Mac, you were a Sacramento Kings fan, Well,
you love Curry.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I'm one of the biggest Curry fans on the internet.
I did tell you this team was getting old, and
now Chris Paul hurt last night.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yep, it's like that's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, nothing lasts forever. We know this, right, It's impossible
to stay on top. So you just got to enjoy
it while it's there. Those that Seahawk dynasty with Russell
Wilson closed in like three years.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, we thought they were.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Gonna be I mean the way they beat Peyton Manning
the Super Bowl and they should have won that one
against the Patriots. You're like, this could be like a
six year run. About a year later, injuries, players not
getting along, niners were good. You look up and you're like, yeah,
all right, it's Ober. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
How about that Draymond turnover late? Huh. We's just tough. Well,
you know, they say.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
They paid him a lot of money in the offseason,
getting a little old along in the tooth, as they say.
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Joel Klatt forty five minutes, Ola is a spirited debate.
Like j Mac, I do not believe in Florida State
out of here backup quarterbacks see you. I want to
talk Tom Brady, though Tom Brady has a podcast it's
called Let's Go, and he's doubling down on a criticism
he has had where several people I've pushed back on it,
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and Alex Smith at the other places pushed back on it.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Alex does a great job.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Brady doubling down on what he believes is the erosion
of the NFL.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
But I think the pro game is reflecting more of
what the college game is as opposed to the college
game reflecting what the pro game is. We're asking now
pro players to play college football, and that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I see.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
This is way more checkers now than it is chess.
I tried to play chess. I wanted to have three
moves ahead of you all the times.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
But he had to.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So everything for Brady, if you look at his career,
was actually uphill. He comes in as a has to
prove himself. Defenses in that time period, could do more,
could be more violent, get a defensive head coach and
mostly a defensive culture. And the wide receiver talent twenty
years ago wasn't nearly as deep or as good as
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it is today. So Brady's superpower had to be his brain.
He also had to face all time great defenses, the Seahawks,
the Steelers, the Tampa Bay Bucks, the Ravens. Nothing today
compares to those. Some of it is the rules were different,
In fact, that's a lot of it, and the culture
was different. You were allowed to do more. So Brady
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is the greatest chess player of all time. It is
easier for quarterbacks today. The rules lean in their favor.
They get much better coaching high school college. The coordinators
now the head coaches that are offensive, but give them
far more options. It's far more sophisticated. The tight end
talent today compared to twenty years ago, is in sane.
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The wide receiver talents insane. But here's where I'll pushback
again with Tom. The best quarterbacks in this league are
overwhelmingly kids. Even Mahomes is twenty eight, Burrows young, Herbert's young,
Jalen Hurts as a baby, Lamar.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Trevor, Lawrence, C. J.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Stroud, Jay Mack thinks brought Purties the next Dan Marino.
They're all kids. I mean, how many old guys make
an impact? Stafford hurt about every fourth week, Aaron Rodgers
hurt now, and Russell Wilson has been reborn. But it's
a young Quarterbacks League. Brady became a great chess player,
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and I would earmark going back his eighth year. He
was thirty. That's Brady's eighth year, and there's interviews to
acknowledge it. He became the chess player. He'd seen great defenses,
he'd seen every coverage, he'd listened to Belichick. It was
in his eighth year. I think these quarterbacks we have
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now will become chess players. I think some of them
are transitioning from checkers to chess. Some are clearly playing checkers,
one or two are close to chess. But again, if
you go look at Tom, remember he played the mid forties.
It was about thirty when not only did the light
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go on, but he could manipulate defenses every time he
went to the line audible out of trouble, audible into
productive yards. I think it's really hard to be an
NFL quarterback. For the record, I think the talents better
around quarterbacks, the coaching is better, and the rules are
better for them. But defensive players are also bigger, stronger,
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and faster than they've ever been, so I think the
young guys will get there. But Tom is the greatest
chess player of all time. There's no doubt, but.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It takes time to master chess. Even I can play checkers.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Robert Sala, coach of the Jets, has announced the Jets
are opening a twenty one day window practice window for
Aaron Rodgers his potential return in the next three weeks.
A twenty one day window. It's you know, it's part
of the process, part of the progress of his rehab.
I think it would be a gigantic mistake for Aaron
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Rodgers to play. I do not believe Aaron Rodgers is
going to play. I don't think he'd be ready behind
this wobbly offensive line to play. I think it could
be a career ender if he gets hurt again. Can
you imagine doing rehab back to back? Come on, never
forget he got hurt like one at the first series,
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fourth play. Yeah, he got hurt. This wasn't like a
tear because he was worn down. He got four plays
into this season, this on line and got hurt. And
I hear all this said, Well, you know it's different,
you know, not married, no kids, He's got nothing but time.
He can just do this rehab father time. He's now
what forty thirty nine forty of an Achille surgery. This
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is a horrible decision. I wish him well. But I've
said this before and I'll say it again. Aaron Rodgers,
in my opinion, is not going to matter at an
elite level in the NFL. Again, there's younger quarter max,
They're better, They've got better offensive coaches, they have better
offensive line, they have better weapons. I think Aaron is
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interesting to listen to him chatter about a bunch of stuff.
You know, he makes headlines and he's good content for us.
But when Brady left for Tampa, that was not the
end of Brady. When Stafford went to Detroit, that was
not the end of Stafford. When Farv went to the
Jets and then Minnesota, that was not the end of Farv.
Although it was close. Aaron this injury to me. I
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don't see. I don't see how they would be highly
relevant next year. I think the Bills go out and
get a better offensive coordinator and bounce back. Josh Allen's
just too good. I think Miami with McDaniel and Tua,
they're not going anywhere, right, They're not going anywhere. I
think New England gets a competent quarterback and gets better
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Mahomes is going nowhere. Joe Burrow comes back, Lamar and Harbaugh,
that group are excellent. You know, Pittsburgh's always going to
be a factor again. Jacksonville's not getting worse. C j Stroud,
Houston now is a real player. The Chargers. They may
get Harbaugh, they may get a coach like that. Everybody
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thinks is the guy. Denver, Russell Wilson are solved. I mean,
this was the year. I can argue this was the
year to do it. The Bills end of last year,
this year dubtailed. Burrow gets hurt, Herbert doesn't have the
right coach. Jacksonville feels like they're close but not right
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there yet. Kansas City crossing their fingers that Rashi Rice
is a number one, but they are a bunch of
kids at receiver. This is the year to win in
the AFC. This was the year. This was the opportunity.
And by the way, this is timing is this is
you know, this is the way life works, right. It's
a lot of timing, is a lot of success, and
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there are just time. I mean, Phil Mickelson is one
of the all time great golfers. His prime was right
around tiger Woods prime. By the way, Malone Stockton, Jerry
Sloan the coach. Those Jazz teams were excellent, but Michael
Jordan was in his prime. So there there are times
when people are I mean, fantastic and Aaron still got it.
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But this offense, you could argue, needs four new offensive linemen.
They need another receiver, they got to get out of
the Allenzar deal. They need to upgrade it tight end.
I love Bryce Hall, I like Elijah Vera Tucker when
he's healthy. I think Garrett Wilson's exceptional. But this offense
needs a lot of work. And my take is you
probably got a trade like a Sauce Gardner or an
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elite piece to upgrade position and not just have draft picks.
But I believe this was the year in the AFC
between the Burrough injury the erosion of Buffalo. Buffalo's with
Josh Allen is going to be around for like seven
eight more years of good football. McDermott tends to be
highly dependent on the right offensive coordinator. That's okay, That's
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okay some coaches. By the way, Sean McVay is doing
much better this year because Raheem Morris is a great
young defensive coordinator. He's terrific. And by the way, the
Niners defense was better last year with the Meg Ryan
than Steve Wilkeson appears this year. That's where they go.
Get Chase Young. I mean, sometimes you're you're dependent on
the right coordinator. I think the Jets now have to
make a decision on Nat Hackett, like a grown up decision.
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But last week Alan Lazard was a did not participate
a healthy scratch. So that feels like the Jets are
going to take back the franchise, probably move off Lazard,
get a new OC, make some decisions based on the
future of the franchise and not just appeasing Eron. But
I don't think it's a hot take and I don't
think it's anti Aeron. I think the Jets with Aaron
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will be very, very fun next year and they'll be
a good team. But you can't deny the AFC. It
was not wide open last year. Burrow at the end
was on fire, Allen was playing well, Mahomes was playing great.
I mean, Lamar Jackson was hurt, but Herbert was putting
up another big year and we hadn't sold all our
stock on Brandon Staley yet.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Like it would last year, like.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
The there was, it was a tough wall to get through.
This year, you've had a lot. Even Mahomes went three games.
He couldn't score in the second half, couldn't score a point.
So this this year was wide open and Aaron should
not play.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Can I ask you something?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
So if you look back to the Brett Favre Mangini
year Far, you know Woody Johnson was hot for far
brings in Far they go, they start great, and then
it falls apart. Do you remember what happened next Colin?
They moved off of FARV it was obviously not working,
and they drafted Mark Sanchez and top six pick or
whatever instantly to the AFC championship twice in a row.
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They got a younger quarterback and they switch things quickly.
What's the percentage chance Woody Johnson and company, say Boy
Hackett Lazarre.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
This was a disaster. Rogers hurt, I'm done. Let's move on.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Let's not bring Rogers back, and let's draft a quarterback
at the top.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So let's try to just reboot. There are the Jets
in the mock draft today. They're eight.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So if they keep losing and they finish six, that
means they'll get one of the great left tackles. Here's
my question, they'll get one of the great left tackles,
which is number one. Trade Sauce Gardner for a first rounder, five,
six to seven picks later, get Penix, get Jaden Daniels
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from LSU.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I'm just saying, how is that gonna go over with Rogers?
Because Wood he was hot, he took the private jet
to go see him, and like recruiting him. You like
to say, when it's not working, move off of it,
don't waste time. Does he have the intestinal fortitude?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
You know Aaron would not like that, but my voice
be honest. Your first pick is left tackle. So if
they if the Jets keep losing it end up six,
they're gonna get arguably the best left tackle or an
unbelievable tight end. So Aaron would have to be happy
with that. What I'm saying is, do you move off
Sauce and get the future quarterback? I think it's very viable. Listen,
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if you can get the left tackle, the offense will
be better immediately because you'll have better protection for Aaron.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I'm saying, do you consider moving off Aaron Rodns?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I like, I don't think it's the craziest thing in
the world.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I don't think it'll happen.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
But do I believe they've ever had a coffee and
discuss it upstairs? Probably? I mean last week Lazarre hard
Healthy didn't play.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Hackett's been a train wreck, Cobb nothing, Hardman already gone.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
But I'm just saying is I'm not predicting that it's
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But somebody told me something years ago that corporations decide
to move off you six to nine months before they
move off you, they raise hands upstairs. Do I believe
they're going Lizard's and miss Hackets and Miss Randall Cobbs
not productive.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Dalvin Cook did he have anything to do with that?
I think he recruited Dalvin Cook right well. I mean
Dalvin Cook went from like a top five six running
back to what does he do with?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yes, two hundred yard rushing.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
There's no way in the world they would have brought
Dalvin Cook in without Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Like when Lebron goes somewhere and he calls the shots,
things usually work out. I mean, wins titles Miami, it
goes back to Cleveland Lakers. Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jets,
called the shots and what has worked? Give me one
thing colin the defense.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
That's why I wouldn't fire. He had nothing to do.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
That's why I think Robert Sala I would not fire Robert.
Robert Sala has proven, unlike Brandon Staley, has proven he
knows his side of the ball. His side of the
ball is excellent. They're just worn down from being on
the field all the time. But again, nobody's saying this
is going to happen. But this was the year in
the AFC where Kansas City is literally went three weeks
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with Patrick Mahome and Andy Reid couldn't score a point in
the second half, not a point. Buffalo circles to drain burrows,
hurt Herbert. Now that thing's a mess. By the way,
Russell Wilson and Sean Payton next year are going to
start in a much better place than they did, so
that's going to be a viable playoff team.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
To your point, do you know who seven in the
AFC is right now? The Indianapolis Colts with a rookie
coach and Gardner Minshew and we both.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Love psyching Shane Stall he is great and also Anthony
Richardson was wildly dynamic when he played.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
This is bad now and now when you put it
in context like that, like this is the year jets there,
I have to scroll down a little bit. They're fifteen
of sixteen in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Currently, get a left tackle, sell Sauce Gardner, get another
pick and try it. Pick fifteen sixteen to get Michael Pennox.
By the way, they don't have to play better. Serve
to sit behind Aaron for a year anyway. He Aaron's
gonna love that, just like the way they drafted Jordan Love.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Actually, no, didn't that drive him to win the MVP
or something because he was so angry.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I'm just up spitting facts here, folks. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I have no agendas. Joel Klatz around the corner.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
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Speaker 2 (28:55):
What's up man? That was big? It was a big game.
It was a very big game. You did not appear nervous.
You were on it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
And of the many things you talked about, we had
discussed this that, what Harbaugh has done and a lot
of it. I don't blame Ryan Day. They have recruited
wide receiver talent so well they get the ball to them. Sure,
Michigan does not have Ohio State's wide receiver talent. No,
and they're a power football program. And I thought in
the second half we watched what Michigan's become. Yeah, they
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just say, fellas, get behind the whole line and we're
getting the yard. Yeah, this is you know, this is
this is a program that has developed itself into you know,
one of the most powerful programs in the in the
country just in terms of the way that they play.
And I think the evidence of that was that seven
minute drive. You know, because listen, this was a great
football game, excellent back and forth. Ohio State was answering
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the scores of Michigan. It was such a good, good game.
But I thought both lines were playing well, both defensive
lines were playing well. It was tough to run the
ball at times. There were third downs made, there were
fourth down so jing was good. I thought the coaching
was really good. And I know that Ryan's come under
some scrutiny for not going forward on fourth down and
the way we handled the end of the second quarter.
But he's good. It was just a really well played game.
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There was there was emotion with the Zach Zenter injury
and then the Korum score right way that is one
of the plays of the year. Yeah, that was a
wow moment. I remember I sat there on watching on
TV and I'm like, oh, this is bad news for Michigan. Yeah,
this is trouble for Michigan when that great center got hurt,
and I thought, how are they going to answer emotion?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Guard?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So Zenter's the right guard, but you're yeah, I mean
he is the he is the heartbeat of the offensive line, ye,
which you correctly described as the heartbeat of the team.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
That's what they've built around.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
They can have the seven minute drives and look what
you did in twenty twenty one and even against Penn
State they ran the ball thirty two consecutive times. But Colin,
I can tell you, and I've done a little something
to like, I would encourage everybody to go check out
social media. You can check out what I post on
Twitter through the Jewel Clatt Show and my personal account
at Joel Klatt. I did a little recap of the
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actual injury, and if you don't mind, I just wanted
to express the kind of America on your show. What
you didn't get a chance to see in the commercial
break was that the injury was immediate and we all
knew right away Bammed he broke his leg.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Air cast is out, card is out.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Everybody that's on the field can see this is bad,
and we know exactly who it is. Ohio State knows
that it's Zach Center, Michigan knows Zach Center, and the
entire one hundred and ten thousand, No, it's number sixty five.
And you can feel the deflating nature of that specific
guy being down with what is an obvious, pretty extensive injury. Okay,
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and there are moments in those types of games when
it's that player that that team never recovers, the stadium
never recovers because it's so deflating. Let me tell you
what happened though during the commercial break, And this is
something that I've never really experienced before in my career,
and I don't know if I ever will again. One
hundred and ten thousand people started chanting, let's go Zach.
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And it wasn't PA announcer driven. It wasn't you know,
a DJ no one led them. The fan base starts
chanting for this kid while his parents are out there
and the team is deflated at this moment, and and
the crowd and I took my headset off because I
was like, is this really as loud as I think
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it is?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
During commercial?
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And it was loud, and it was palpable, and I
start welling up and I'm like, oh my goodness, like
this is this is getting me emotional in the booth.
And at that moment, Michigan's team stands up and walks
onto the field. Then we come back from break, and
now you're seeing what is the result of the crowd
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picking up the team and saying like no, no, no, no,
get off the map, let's go, let's go Zach. And
everybody is out there, and now the emotion has turned
into in some cases like rage and motivation and a
galvanizing force. And so now all of a sudden would
have been tears and guys hitting their helmets against the
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turf in disgust and frustration. Now all of a sudden,
there's this galvanizing like motivating factor. And then the first
play Blake scores, the place goes crazy and he runs
up to the Fox camera and he goes six five
for sixty five Zach Center. I've never experienced anything like him.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I was very emotional in the booth.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, I mean, what was interesting that a Auburn Alabama
had a play that we saw live happen and that
was viewed as the play of the game. But you
were there for the moment of the day which I
didn't see as a TV viewer, and you just shared
with us, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I'm on my couch. I thought they were in big trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Sure, I was like, Ohio State, so in one of
the things I like about college football has this dilemma,
and we both love the sport. And by the way,
going forward, I don't even know if I'll acknowledge the
SEC because the Big Ten is going to be so great.
And I say that's like half jokingly, but I've been
looking at the Big Ten schedule for next year.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Oh my gosh, it's amazing. It's unbelievable. It's like if you.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Took the top nine ten teams in the NFL, and
they just kind of went back and forth. I mean,
it's big brands, big game, big stadiums. So what you
do that. I like, college football has a dilemma between resume.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And reality, and like Florida State's like, look at the resumes.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Sure, the reality is you have them eighth, and they
would be an underdog in Vegas to the seven teams.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Of course, of course they would. Of course they would.
Of course they would college.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Football and the rankings has them four because it's the
resume to reality poll. And we all know the reality
is they'd get dragged by Oregon. Now they just have
a backup quarterback. They're not beating Oregon, Washington, Texas, Bama.
So here's the dilemma. I think we both agree that Oregon, Michigan, Georgia,
those are the best teams. They look like probably Friday probably. Hey,
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I think you can include Texas in that. Okay, so
you would make Texas the four. Well again, so like
you're talking about scenarios and and let's let's play a
game here. Let's let's play a game all all the
favorites win. Okay, let's just say chalk this weekend. I
think that's true. Okay, So that's so that's that's an
Oregon win, they're favored obviously Georgia and Michigan. That's a
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Texas win, and that's a Florida State win. Okay, Okay,
So you can take four of those five. Yeah, I
think clearly one of those five is not in the
top four, which would be Florida State. Now I don't
know if that's what they're gonna do, because to me,
the four best teams in that regard would be Texas, Oregon,
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and then Michigan and Georgia. That would be I think
the best final four that we could possibly hope for
as just fans from a competitive standpoint. But you and
I both know that of Ohio State with a loss
faced Florida State, I think they'd be a fifteen point favorite. Yeah,
of course they would, and Ohio State does have a
small path to try to get into the playoff. But
the question about Florida State is a real one because
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the committee is supposed to be charged with finding the
four best teams, and yet they don't do that. They
always just trot out that mantra, but that's not what
they do, and that's not what they give us. They
give us the foremost deserving teams. And the reason that
you know that is that, on average, these semi final
games are won by an average about nineteen points. Yep,
they're not very close because we allow teams to get
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in based on resume and or deserving.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Now, if that's what you want to do, that's fine.
Just acknowledge it. Just acknowledge it. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
If you believe that Florida State has earned a spot
in the playoff, I'm fine with that because you know what,
it's hard to go undefeated, right, and I don't care
exactly what your conference makeup is as long as it's
in the Power five. They played LSU in the non conference,
they beat Clemson at Clemson, so I'm fine with that.
But without their quarterback, for you to suggest that they
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are one of the four best teams is silly, and
we all know that. If you want to say that
they deserve to be in, then fine. You want to
know who launts Florida State in Yeah, the Nember game,
Michigan and Georgia, whoever plays them. That you're exactly right,
and we've become a very lopsided semi final is going
to go if if Harburn's at number one, he's gonna
gonna go on a campaign. You gotta get I want
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to face Ohio State again. I wouldn't want to face
Ohio State again. That game was listen you crazy people,
that's one. I'm not sure how many people. Maybe Georgia
is the only team in the country that could have
played that close to Michigan Michigan stacked. I agree with that.
Michigan is as deep a team in the country. They're
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as good everywhere as you will find. They're They're terrific
on defense, they're really good on offense. They can throw it.
JJ made that incredible throat to Roman Wilson was threading
it through two defenders.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
He can run.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
They can run as a team physically on the outside.
So yes, like when you're saying, who are the only
two or three teams that could go in there and
play Michigan in the Big House on Thanksgiving week to
one score? Maybe Georgia, maybe Ohio State. I think Oregon
is better than we think. Maybe I think Oregon, But again,
it's it's it's it's a tiny hand full of teams. Okay,
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So I'm gonna throw this out there. You were you
were there at Michigan, and uh, when you're not being
mobbed by adoring fans, you you have a lot of
contacts and a lot of people in the industry, you know,
when you were around Michigan people you don't have the
name names.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Is there a feeling because.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
There's a story out today it's percolating Harbaugh to the NFL. Yeah,
So two weeks ago I would have said, nope, like
he's he's going to be.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
A Michigan Now I'm not as sure. I believe that.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
The week of the Maryland game was a real point
of demarcation, you know, where the hearing was drop We're
gonna go ahead and just Jim's gonna serve the three
game suspension. We're gonna fire this linebacker, coach, And even
though they didn't do this, there was some like almost
an acknowledgement or admission that like, okay, like handing the
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cookie jar, this is the way it's gonna go.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
He doesn't feel that that's the case.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You know, Jim, to his credit, and I can only
go by personal experience, Jim Harbaugh has never lied to me.
Coaches lie to me all the time they really of
course they do about able excuse me, availability of players.
You know, they'll talk bad about players. I have a
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very good sense of guys that I feel like have
a really high integrity, and guys that I think are
will do anything, you know. And that's by the way,
this is not a knock. That's just kind of what
it is in every industry. Okay, I can only go
by my my personal dealings with with guys. There are
a lot of coaches that have never lied to me,
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and they would and so I trust them. Jim Harbaugh's
never lied to me. In any meeting that I've ever
been in. He has told me I didn't know, so like,
I don't what am I supposed to be? Like, well,
of course you did, well, he tells me he didn't,
and I I have no other recourse other than to
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believe him because of our history together. Okay, this is
this is what I do for a living. You've never
lied to me. These are these radar detectors. So you
believe him because I do. But I think that what's
what's frustrating him is that like the narrative perpetuates, Well,
(40:48):
it's like and that's that's the world we live in
But I said this earlier, Joel Harbaugh has become politics
and religion. Everybody's got a strong opinion, and nobody's changing
there despite data, nobody's I got Buckeye fans that are like, well,
we lost.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Close to them.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Sure, the Signs had a huge factor because we got
blown out the last couple of years. We lost close.
And to that, I say, yeah, but this was your
best defense in three years. It may have been your
best team. Now I know CJ. Stroud was obviously great. Sure,
but I felt this Ohio State defense got two first
round defensive pass rushers. I mean, and so I again,
I'm not saying the cheating didn't have an impact, But
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I think what's happened with Harbaugh and this is what's
happened in America religion, sports, politics, personalities. People have opinions,
and they're not move them off moving off them. It
doesn't matter. It's opposed true society. It doesn't matter what
you tell. So you're explaining like he's become a polarizing
figure and it.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Doesn't matter what he does. I like him.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I don't cheat or not cheater. Legit, You and I
have the same relationship with Jim. Yours is closer, obviously,
but he has text me multiple times, We've had discussions,
we've had multiple interviews. I like Jim. I think he's
quirky and different. I think he sees the world differently.
I have multiple friends who have been on its staffs,
so I have good sourcing with him. He's always reached
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out to me if we say something kind. That's not
why I do it. But I like Jim. I respect him.
I appreciate his uniqueness because his personality is And then
his family members will tell you this, he's a different cat.
And if you're different, people don't don't like different.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Well let me let.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Me go to step further, because it's not just different
and quirky and that, oh, well, he's polarizing. And I
don't disagree with Jim on this point. He has been
one of the only, not the only, but one of
the only coaches in particular that have any amount of
cachet or power in this sport that have unequivocally come
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out in support of revenue share for the players. See,
when you start doing things like that, you start drawing
the ire of people that we don't even know their names.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Ye right, right, And.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
You know, I think that his stance in that regard,
By the way, he's not wrong. He's not wrong. Okay,
the fact that the revenue has gone where it's gone
in college football in particular and in intercollegiate athletics, and
the fact that we're paying Jimbo Fisher seventy six million
(43:26):
dollars to not coach gross gross, Like you can't tell me, like, well,
we can't rep share with players all time out.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Hold on, Hold on a second.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
We I mean, Jimbo Fisher gives ten percent of his buyout,
and you can pay everybody on his team well over
what any of them would ever make in a given
year the rest of their life. You know, I mean, like,
come on, Like, let's so he sees the farce. He
sees him by the way, he has a unique experience
now because he sat there and watched He was one
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of the nineteen million people that sat there and watched
this production, this entertainment that is these two schools with
eighteen to twenty two year olds going up against each other,
peaking at twenty three million viewers. You know, So like
Jim is saying, like, well, the player should share in
that period that draws the ire of a lot of
people behind closed doors and organizations that can, you know,
(44:19):
by the way, come around and start sniffing around your program.
You ever watch the movie about the creation of Uber.
It's a very popular movie out there.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Well, but I did. I saw the one about We Work.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Okay, So when you're a disruptor, you draw the ire
of people.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Netflix to Linear TV, Uber to the taxi service case
should go watch that movie what they had to go through.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Jim's a disruptor, trips to Rome, that's right.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
You remember the satellite camps, Satellite SEC schools were like,
you can't come down here, there's an invisible fence.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
So he's a disruptor, that's right.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And disruptive personalities and businesses draw the ire of the content.
The comfortable and the SEC got very comfortable dominating college football.
And the NCAA doesn't like Jim. They just don't. He's
an existential threat. The way the way that he thinks,
the way that he operates is so not in line
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with what the NCAAA wants. They just they want control.
They don't want to change. They want to be rigid
and operate like they always have before and it's like, well.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
That ain't gonna be the way that it goes.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
And disruptors have courage. Jim's got courage. That's what I
like about him. Jim is willing to be hated by
And for the record, I'm telling you watch the Uber movie.
We work those people beyond everything else. You could say
they're brilliant. It doesn't care if it's Elon Musk, whoever.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
It is.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
People willing to be hated. We need those because they
break barriers and they make change. They force change. Jim
makes the NCAA look at themselves. I just wonder if
are going to be overly punitive because I was talking
to Nick right about this and I said, our judicial system,
there's levels of crimes. This by Michigan is like the
lowest of misdemeanors. Well, to me, to your point, just
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really quick, before you finish your thought. They're talking about
changing the rule that is in question here advanced in
person scouting to be like okay, like this was a loophole.
Oh so now it's really not that So anyways, continue
so your point you continue. I mean, my takeaway is
what you're telling me is the NCAA is like, yeah,
it was kind of stupid. The in person scouting rule
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that came in nineteen ninety four was put there because
there at the time was a barrier to advanced in
person scouting based on resources, and it's like that ain't
there anymore. So they're talking about doing away with that.
We'll see where that goes, Okay. I would also, by
the way, I'd be remiss if we didn't touch on
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the Ohio State side, just because this narrative surrounding Ryan
Day as if like Ohio State needs to go out
and do something that's absurd.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
They're fine, They're absolutely fine.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
The margins are very thin. Michigan is on a historic run.
They've done a remarkable job. That was an incredible game
that came down to plays in the last thirty seconds
on the road. Like, by the way, even Ohio State,
if you go to the Michigan paths of the game,
it was like Houdini.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yes, it's like it's in replay. If we have it,
how is it completed?
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Like to beat Ohio State you needed one of the
three or four biggest passes of the year. The other
one was on Alabama Auburn on an Earth that network.
It's like sometimes amazing happens. And the thing about it
is is like Ryan is one of the best coaches
in America, and there's no other path that you can
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take if you're Ohio State that makes you better right away. See,
And you can't just change for change sake. You got
to change to be better, and you.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Can't do that.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
So he's gonna go back to work, and I guarantee
you Ohio State will continue to push and push until
they can close those margins. And they're like, this will
go back and forth. It just it will. And I
can't wait to kind of see how that all plays out. Okay,
so show me klass top ten. I'm not going to
do the nonsense college football playoff top ten. Let's two class.
So I'm going to tell you who I am. I
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tend to root for what I think is the best
TV and the best product.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Okay, So I'm going.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
To tell you who I want in the final four
based on I think they're the best teams. Okay, I
don't care the order. Michigan, Georgia, Oregon, Texas.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I think that would be the best final four the
week you get it would be the most competitive semi
final games and potentially championship. Not a knock on Washington.
They're a nine and a half point dog on a
neutral field for a reason. By the way, if they win,
oh I'm happy. It's been great because you prove it twice.
That's right, you know, so of course you're you're in there,
and so I would put that caveat on there as well.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Michigan, Georgia, Oregon, Texas.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I think it would be the best four because but
for the record, those are all elite, top ten recruiting teams.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
We don't have any.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Faker who got in there because they're you know, undefeated.
These are like powerhouse recruiting programs. The question I would have,
where do you stand on Bama upsets Georgia. So let's
say all the favorite that's Bama upsets Georgia. Okay, okay,
let me think about that right now.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
So that's a Michigan win. So it's win. So I
just win.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Okay, So I do Michigan, Oregon, Texas. Here's my here's
my problem. It's not fair for Michigan to have to
face Ohio State again. I don't think that's fair. Well,
Bama would would go a one loss SEC champion game.
But I'd put Bama and make them face Michigan first game.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Which, so you're okay with Georgia missing the playoff?
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Why why? I'm just saying, twenty nine game winning streak,
two time defending national champnel. I don't know if the
committee is going to do that.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
For the record, I'm not anti Georgia.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I think there's there is a scenario where Oregon gets
left out and here's here's here's not just hold on me.
I'm just saying, I'm just gonna paint the picture ages.
I'm painting a picture here. Michigan wins, Alabama wins, Oregon wins,
Texas wins. Okay, they're not leaving the SEC champion out.
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That means Alabama's in. Now what seed? I'm not sure.
Guess who goes in for sure? Because of that, Texas
they have to they beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa. That leaves
one spot Oregon Georgia. I take Oregon.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oregon losing earlier in the year in one of the
toughest places in America to play on a last second
field goal miss when they gained five hundred yards, Okay, yeah,
I'm taking Oregon. By the way, the committee did not
include Utah in the top twenty five, which is a
vital piece to their resume if they were trying to
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compete with Georgia. Who do who does get a piece
of that resume? Because guess what the committee has done.
At the back end of the rankings, Tennessee weirdly twenty one,
Utah not ranked. There is a scenario everybody, who's the
better program right now? Utah or Tennessee the last ten years? Utah,
Utah not even closed. Who's the better program? Oregon or Georgia. Well, Georgia,
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Oregon's not down as far as you think. I'm just
telling you there is a chance that Oregon gets left out.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
It would be outraged.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
You can't lose in the last game and make it
in if there's aye, but hold on, but hold on.
Ohio State fan would be sitting here saying, like, but wait,
you did lose your only tough game of the year,
just like we lost our only tough game of the year.
But because some administrator in your conference says that the
best two teams go to the conference championship game, you
get to get out of jail free card, and we
don't you know what I would say, so Oregon gets
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get out of jail free card. No, I would say
timing matters. When you win games and lose games matter.
By the way the Warriors lost to the Kings last night,
if they're playing a game seven in the playoffs changed
when you lose, here's another thing. You're allowed to lose
on the road, Bama. Apparently not if you're Ohio State.
They just lost the last game. Oh but so if
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it was week six, I think about it differently. I
will know we wouldn't because the way that the Big
Ten crowns their champ is that we're we've got two divisions.
So Ohio State doesn't get just out of semantics, just
out of the fact that, like one league deemed a
couple of years ago, like hey, we should do away
with division.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Another reason you and I should run this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I'm just saying Oregon has a huge get out of
jail free card. If it comes down to it and
Alabama beach Georgia, the debate will be Georgia and Oregon.
And I'm not sure the Ducks win that debate. They
killed them last year. They're the two time defending national champion.
They just won twenty nine games in a row. Ask
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you you're going to keep them at home because they
are the neutral.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Where are they're big wins?
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Well, the committee would tell you that Tennessee went was
a great win. Where are Georgie's big wins? Well, it's
Tennessee wins bigger than the You all'll have Washington, which
hasn't lost since the Nixon administrative.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
They have lost a regular season game forever. Washington's a
real team. Who would George's big win be tennis?
Speaker 1 (53:16):
I think I think that I think that you are
discounting the power of of of Georgia and the SEC. No,
I'm not particular in that committee room, you know, I'm right, Like,
that's what it'll come down to.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Jay Mak, I hear you over here. You're like grumbling,
but like, that's what it will come down to. I
haven't heard you chime in. Are you taking Joel Klatt?
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Are you taking Georgia over Oregon in that scenario.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
I'll tell you Saturday night, Oh come on, that is outrageous.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
Float that and then not give your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I would have a really hard time keeping Georgia out
of the playoffs. Okay, Oh goodness, the doubling.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Their defense isn't as good as Michigan's. Where are their
big wins this year? They're not the same as the
last two years. They don't look the same.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Someone beat them.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
I listen, I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree
with you. They're not what they have been the last
couple of years. Where's their loss? Well, you're saying Alabama, Okay,
Alabama's the weakest they've been in a while. Maybe maybe
this is Waffle City. It's not Waffle City. I'm just saying,
like the Organs getting the benefit of the doubt right now,
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they get to play their conference championship game. They don't
have as good of a resume as Ohio State or Texas,
and yet they're ranked higher than them. They've crushed people.
I mean they've literally crushed people. So guess what could
happen in that scenario? They just take Florida State and
do away with the Rose. I'm just the gross I
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think that we have to be prepared for the fact
that the Committee usually takes the path of least resistance,
and I think Florida State with a win is going
to go. And I know that I don't think that
it would be good for college football. I think that
it would be good for them, and they would quote
deserve it. They get smoked, they would get I mean,
any of these teams would blow them out. Be this
version of Florida State badly. They game two hundred and
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twenty four yards of total offense against a five and
seven Florida team.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Not in a good mood.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
I know, I put you in a bad mood. Look
at you, your beloved Ducks. I don't know. I'm just
saying on my husky love. I think Oregon's probably the
second or third best team in the country. I think
Oregon could be the best. And you know how I
think of Michigan. I think Oregon Michigan is a go
down to the final series game probably. I think Oregon's
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This is the best Oregon team I've ever seen, and
they've had a lot of good ones. If we could
just get Michigan, Georgia, Oregon and Texas, that would be
a freaking great final It'll be fantastic. I'm telling you,
starting next year with a big ten, it's the end
of the SEC those games won't even be on TV.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
You gotta go to be I assure you Clatt.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
What's your podcast? It's the Joel Yeah, Joel Clatt Show.
You can go check it out. We've got a live
edition of the Joel Class Show popping up on Friday,
so that'll be stream on Facebook and YouTube. You can
find it wherever you get your podcast as well. I'll
be breaking down the Big Ten Championship game and then
on Monday, I'll be breaking down what the Committee actually
gives us.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
So go check it out.
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Joel clas Show, wherever you get your podcast. Had a
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A lot of choices out there.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Joel klat In one hour Michigan the Kings of college football.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Leads until we get to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Jamak had a very interesting conversation last night with a
very well connected college football insider. In the insider was saying,
the word is all around that Michigan program, Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Moving on.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It feels like an after the potential national championship.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, I think they're probably going to get there. Colin,
I'm excited for it.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
All right, we start with that.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Jeremy Fowler, respected journalist, said, Harbaugh's name has percolated around
the NFL. There is a belief that this might.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Be the year.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Take away the fact that maybe you just don't you know,
Like Jim Harbaugh, Michigan has had three great coaching hires
in the history of this esteemed football program. Lloyd Carr
was there for thirteen won seventy five percent of his
games in a natty bo Schembeckler's probably the biggest legend
there for twenty one seasons, five times he finished in
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the top four. And then indisputably it's Jim Harbaugh who's
going to his third straight season, finishing in the top
four only their nine years, but winning seventy seven almost
seventy eight percent of the games. Lloyd Carr, Schambeckler, Jim Harbaugh.
Those are their three great football hires. But with Harbaugh,
unlike the other two at least in their prime, with Harbaugh,
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he's become like politics and religion. You can't change anybody's
opinion on him, and everybody's got a strong opinion on
him right. But more than anything, this can't be disputed.
Ohio State was arguably, along with Alabama, the best college
football program in America about four years ago. Now they
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are the second best football program in their own conference.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
The Big Ten.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Jim Harbaugh has relegated Ohio State to just another team.
Michigan beats focus, physical, run first, power football, just like
the Niners Stanford. Ohio State was pushed around by Michigan
for the third year in a row. And this was
the great Ohio State defense, it was vaunted, was exceptional,
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and yet Ohio State scored on every single drive of
the second half. They weren't kneeling. With over one hundred
and twenty yards rushing in the second half. That is
owning somebody. It was just four years ago that Ohio
State was second to Alabama in most eyes. Now they're
second in the Big Ten. And like politics and religion,
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the Harbaugh haters line up. They've got to find a
way to tear him down. He's chating the scandal at
signs again without the signs. Michigan, even more dominant than
previous years, scored on every second half drive. They didn't kneel.
In politics these days, if you're wrong, you can claim
it was rigged. That's clever, isn't it. In religion you
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can claim if you're wrong, well, the man upstairs doesn't
exist at all, right, you can be agnostic. And in
football Ohio State can claim a lot of things, but
one thing is indisputable. As long as Jim Harbaugh remains
the coach of Michigan, you may occasionally beat him, but
they will have the best coach and the best culture
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in the series. That is indisputable. They are power football personified.
Ohio State now gets pushed around at the line of scrimmage,
even their vaunted defenses camp stop Michigan in second halves.
In politics, you can just claim we actually won. It
was rigged at Ohio State. You can claim it's cheating.
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It was removed this year and again they scored on
every drive. They didn't kneel. The only way, unlike religion,
you can't claim he doesn't exist. The only way to
retake this series if you're a Buckeye go back to
the start of my rant.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Cross your fingers that he leaves. That's the only way,
all right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So the Warriors last night played sort of an up
and coming Warrior team, the Secon Crimental Kings. They had
a great playoff series last year. A lot of people
like Sacramento Beam Light Light Beam, whatever it was called.
Everybody loved Sacramento and they just weren't quite ready to win,
but they got close. They met again last night. Warriors
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had this game, but Steve Kerr doesn't like playing young guys,
pulled out Moses Moody, who was hot, went on with
the old guys and it didn't work. But one of
the things in sports that's important. Instead of nitpicking Tiger
in his prime or knit picking this quarterback or that quarterback,
enjoy the ride while it's great, because greatnessn't long last
very long. Find me a dynasty, and I think the
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Warriors dynasty is officially dead. Find me one that elegantly ended,
that ended on their terms. The Patriots now a mess.
Spurs bottomed out, Joe Gibbs left Washington, they've never recovered. Spurs,
Lakers post Kobe half decade awful. If you look at
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Michael Jordan leaving the Bulls the next six years, I
believe the most win Chicago had was thirty. None of
them end elegantly, and usually for the same reason. Right,
you get overly loyal to people that got you trophies.
They're past their prime. You sign them to one more contract.
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There's cap space limitations, you're missing a draft pick. This
is where I'll give the Warriors a lot of credit.
They tried to infuse this roster with draft picks, youth,
new guys, but D'Angelo Russell, like he is with the Lakers,
was too screwy.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
They got rid of him.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Andre Iguodala was great briefly, Bogut great, got hurt. But
the draft picks, Wiseman coaminga moody none of them work.
And I think there's a reason none of them work.
Jordan Poole, Why don't they work well? Number one, Steph
Clay and Draymond and Steve Kerr coaching it. It's very
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high IQ basketball and increasingly in college sports. You get
Wemby at nineteen or check Holmgren at nineteen or twenty.
They're not emotionally ready to play, they're not physically ready
to play. So you have this like legendary offense Draymon
and staff of the Catalyst. It's very very young, virtually
impossible for young guys to fit in. They're just not
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ready to play. And the other thing is that it's
a unique system with two incredibly unique players Draymond Green
and staff. And for the record, old stars mostly don't
like playing with young guys. When Lebron James went to Miami,
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d Wade Bosh, He recruited ray Allen Batty A loved Haslam,
Mike Miller. When Lebron went to Cleveland, they could have
had Andrew Wiggins as a pick. He's like, give me
Kevin love. Kyrie Irving's been around a few years. He
didn't want the young guys. When Lebron gots a lost
angelus at Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, he got him out
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of town. He wanted Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant chose Kyrie Irving.
Now he goes to Phoenix. He wants older guys. Go
look at Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, the great players. After
they have the bag and rings. They don't want to
be mentors. They don't want to be school teachers? Right,
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What can you do for them? What can you do
for me? And that doesn't mean Steph Curry selfish? He's
the opposite. But Draymond Green's got no tolerance for Jordan Poole.
Either does Claire Steph. They don't have any time to
waste on Kuminga unable to figure out the offense or
Wiseman's nineteen years old, can't even have a glass of
wine at the Hotel Bar.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I'll have time for it.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Lebron doesn't want to play with young guys. Katie didn't
want to play with young guys. Michael Jordan didn't want
to play with kids. Steph Draymont don't either. It's nobody's fault.
Steve Kurt doesn't want to coach him. Last night, Moody
was red hot fourth quarter, pulled him out one with
the old guys.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Steve doesn't want to coach young kids.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's understandable old stars don't want and don't generally.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Mesh with the young guys. They're past that stage.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Here was Charles Barkley last night on TNT on the
Fading Warriors.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
As I told y'all, this team is cooked. Y'all thought
I was crazy. They got away last year because Steph
went crazy in Game seven. Sacramento should have beat them.
They did two different things. No, no, I'm saying, and
with Candice point Steph, he gonna start slowing down too.
They got an old team.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Everybody slows down.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
It looks like people forgot last year. Sacramento went there,
They was like they gonna win Game six at home.
Sacramento went in there and kicked their butt. Then I said, man,
sacrament I picked him to win that series, but Steph
went crazy. He's not gonna be able to continue to
do that because those other guys aren't the same either,
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they're older.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It doesn't inelegantly. Did you ever think in your life,
after watching twenty years of the Patriots dynasty they would
be embarrassing, because that's what they are now like they're embarrassing.
Belichick seems completely out of touch. Greg Popovich got the
number one pick for a reason. They bottomed out. The
Bulls look so smartly run for years, and then they weren't.
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The Lakers are the biggest brand in the NBA post Kobe,
hard to watch. This is the way it was destined
to end. They'll have their moments, But winning a seven
game series over the Warriors, or excuse me, over the Nuggets,
over the Celtics, over the Bucks, over the Sixers, I
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don't see it, and right now, not over the Kings either.
All right, j Mac, you were a Sacramento Kings fan, Well,
you love Curry.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I'm one of the biggest Curry fans on the internet.
I did tell you this team was getting old, and
now Chris Paul hurt last night.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yep, it's like that's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, nothing lasts forever. We know this, right, It's impossible
to stay on top. So you just got to enjoy
it while it's there. Those that Seahawk dynasty with Russell
Wilson closed in like three years.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, we thought they were.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Gonna be I mean the way they beat Peyton Manning
the Super Bowl and they should have won that one
against the Patriots. You're like, this could be like a
six year run. About a year later, injuries, players not
getting along, niners were good. You look up and you're like, yeah,
all right, it's Ober. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
How about that Draymond turnover late? Huh. We's just tough. Well,
you know, they say.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
They paid him a lot of money in the offseason,
getting a little old along in the tooth, as they say.
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Joel Klatt forty five minutes, Ola is a spirited debate.
Like j Mac, I do not believe in Florida State
out of here backup quarterbacks see you. I want to
talk Tom Brady, though Tom Brady has a podcast it's
called Let's Go, and he's doubling down on a criticism
he has had where several people I've pushed back on it,
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and Alex Smith at the other places pushed back on it.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Alex does a great job.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Brady doubling down on what he believes is the erosion
of the NFL.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
But I think the pro game is reflecting more of
what the college game is as opposed to the college
game reflecting what the pro game is. We're asking now
pro players to play college football, and that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I see.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
This is way more checkers now than it is chess.
I tried to play chess. I wanted to have three
moves ahead of you all the times.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
But he had to.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So everything for Brady, if you look at his career,
was actually uphill. He comes in as a has to
prove himself. Defenses in that time period, could do more,
could be more violent, get a defensive head coach and
mostly a defensive culture. And the wide receiver talent twenty
years ago wasn't nearly as deep or as good as
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it is today. So Brady's superpower had to be his brain.
He also had to face all time great defenses, the Seahawks,
the Steelers, the Tampa Bay Bucks, the Ravens. Nothing today
compares to those. Some of it is the rules were different,
In fact, that's a lot of it, and the culture
was different. You were allowed to do more. So Brady
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is the greatest chess player of all time. It is
easier for quarterbacks today. The rules lean in their favor.
They get much better coaching high school college. The coordinators
now the head coaches that are offensive, but give them
far more options. It's far more sophisticated. The tight end
talent today compared to twenty years ago, is in sane.
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The wide receiver talents insane. But here's where I'll pushback
again with Tom. The best quarterbacks in this league are
overwhelmingly kids. Even Mahomes is twenty eight, Burrows young, Herbert's young,
Jalen Hurts as a baby, Lamar.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Trevor, Lawrence, C. J.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Stroud, Jay Mack thinks brought Purties the next Dan Marino.
They're all kids. I mean, how many old guys make
an impact? Stafford hurt about every fourth week, Aaron Rodgers
hurt now, and Russell Wilson has been reborn. But it's
a young Quarterbacks League. Brady became a great chess player,
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and I would earmark going back his eighth year. He
was thirty. That's Brady's eighth year, and there's interviews to
acknowledge it. He became the chess player. He'd seen great defenses,
he'd seen every coverage, he'd listened to Belichick. It was
in his eighth year. I think these quarterbacks we have
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now will become chess players. I think some of them
are transitioning from checkers to chess. Some are clearly playing checkers,
one or two are close to chess. But again, if
you go look at Tom, remember he played the mid forties.
It was about thirty when not only did the light
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go on, but he could manipulate defenses every time he
went to the line audible out of trouble, audible into
productive yards. I think it's really hard to be an
NFL quarterback. For the record, I think the talents better
around quarterbacks, the coaching is better, and the rules are
better for them. But defensive players are also bigger, stronger,
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and faster than they've ever been, so I think the
young guys will get there. But Tom is the greatest
chess player of all time. There's no doubt, but.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It takes time to master chess. Even I can play checkers.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Robert Sala, coach of the Jets, has announced the Jets
are opening a twenty one day window practice window for
Aaron Rodgers his potential return in the next three weeks.
A twenty one day window. It's you know, it's part
of the process, part of the progress of his rehab.
I think it would be a gigantic mistake for Aaron
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Rodgers to play. I do not believe Aaron Rodgers is
going to play. I don't think he'd be ready behind
this wobbly offensive line to play. I think it could
be a career ender if he gets hurt again. Can
you imagine doing rehab back to back? Come on, never
forget he got hurt like one at the first series,
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fourth play. Yeah, he got hurt. This wasn't like a
tear because he was worn down. He got four plays
into this season, this on line and got hurt. And
I hear all this said, Well, you know it's different,
you know, not married, no kids, He's got nothing but time.
He can just do this rehab father time. He's now
what forty thirty nine forty of an Achille surgery. This
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is a horrible decision. I wish him well. But I've
said this before and I'll say it again. Aaron Rodgers,
in my opinion, is not going to matter at an
elite level in the NFL. Again, there's younger quarter max,
They're better, They've got better offensive coaches, they have better
offensive line, they have better weapons. I think Aaron is
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interesting to listen to him chatter about a bunch of stuff.
You know, he makes headlines and he's good content for us.
But when Brady left for Tampa, that was not the
end of Brady. When Stafford went to Detroit, that was
not the end of Stafford. When Farv went to the
Jets and then Minnesota, that was not the end of Farv.
Although it was close. Aaron this injury to me. I
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don't see. I don't see how they would be highly
relevant next year. I think the Bills go out and
get a better offensive coordinator and bounce back. Josh Allen's
just too good. I think Miami with McDaniel and Tua,
they're not going anywhere, right, They're not going anywhere. I
think New England gets a competent quarterback and gets better
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Mahomes is going nowhere. Joe Burrow comes back, Lamar and Harbaugh,
that group are excellent. You know, Pittsburgh's always going to
be a factor again. Jacksonville's not getting worse. C j Stroud,
Houston now is a real player. The Chargers. They may
get Harbaugh, they may get a coach like that. Everybody
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thinks is the guy. Denver, Russell Wilson are solved. I mean,
this was the year. I can argue this was the
year to do it. The Bills end of last year,
this year dubtailed. Burrow gets hurt, Herbert doesn't have the
right coach. Jacksonville feels like they're close but not right
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there yet. Kansas City crossing their fingers that Rashi Rice
is a number one, but they are a bunch of
kids at receiver. This is the year to win in
the AFC. This was the year. This was the opportunity.
And by the way, this is timing is this is
you know, this is the way life works, right. It's
a lot of timing, is a lot of success, and
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there are just time. I mean, Phil Mickelson is one
of the all time great golfers. His prime was right
around tiger Woods prime. By the way, Malone Stockton, Jerry
Sloan the coach. Those Jazz teams were excellent, but Michael
Jordan was in his prime. So there there are times
when people are I mean, fantastic and Aaron still got it.
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But this offense, you could argue, needs four new offensive linemen.
They need another receiver, they got to get out of
the Allenzar deal. They need to upgrade it tight end.
I love Bryce Hall, I like Elijah Vera Tucker when
he's healthy. I think Garrett Wilson's exceptional. But this offense
needs a lot of work. And my take is you
probably got a trade like a Sauce Gardner or an
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elite piece to upgrade position and not just have draft picks.
But I believe this was the year in the AFC
between the Burrough injury the erosion of Buffalo. Buffalo's with
Josh Allen is going to be around for like seven
eight more years of good football. McDermott tends to be
highly dependent on the right offensive coordinator. That's okay, That's
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okay some coaches. By the way, Sean McVay is doing
much better this year because Raheem Morris is a great
young defensive coordinator. He's terrific. And by the way, the
Niners defense was better last year with the Meg Ryan
than Steve Wilkeson appears this year. That's where they go.
Get Chase Young. I mean, sometimes you're you're dependent on
the right coordinator. I think the Jets now have to
make a decision on Nat Hackett, like a grown up decision.
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But last week Alan Lazard was a did not participate
a healthy scratch. So that feels like the Jets are
going to take back the franchise, probably move off Lazard,
get a new OC, make some decisions based on the
future of the franchise and not just appeasing Eron. But
I don't think it's a hot take and I don't
think it's anti Aeron. I think the Jets with Aaron
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will be very, very fun next year and they'll be
a good team. But you can't deny the AFC. It
was not wide open last year. Burrow at the end
was on fire, Allen was playing well, Mahomes was playing great.
I mean, Lamar Jackson was hurt, but Herbert was putting
up another big year and we hadn't sold all our
stock on Brandon Staley yet.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Like it would last year, like.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
The there was, it was a tough wall to get through.
This year, you've had a lot. Even Mahomes went three games.
He couldn't score in the second half, couldn't score a point.
So this this year was wide open and Aaron should
not play.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Can I ask you something?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
So if you look back to the Brett Favre Mangini
year Far, you know Woody Johnson was hot for far
brings in Far they go, they start great, and then
it falls apart. Do you remember what happened next Colin?
They moved off of FARV it was obviously not working,
and they drafted Mark Sanchez and top six pick or
whatever instantly to the AFC championship twice in a row.
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They got a younger quarterback and they switch things quickly.
What's the percentage chance Woody Johnson and company, say Boy
Hackett Lazarre.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
This was a disaster. Rogers hurt, I'm done. Let's move on.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Let's not bring Rogers back, and let's draft a quarterback
at the top.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So let's try to just reboot. There are the Jets
in the mock draft today. They're eight.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So if they keep losing and they finish six, that
means they'll get one of the great left tackles. Here's
my question, they'll get one of the great left tackles,
which is number one. Trade Sauce Gardner for a first rounder, five,
six to seven picks later, get Penix, get Jaden Daniels
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from LSU.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I'm just saying, how is that gonna go over with Rogers?
Because Wood he was hot, he took the private jet
to go see him, and like recruiting him. You like
to say, when it's not working, move off of it,
don't waste time. Does he have the intestinal fortitude?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
You know Aaron would not like that, but my voice
be honest. Your first pick is left tackle. So if
they if the Jets keep losing it end up six,
they're gonna get arguably the best left tackle or an
unbelievable tight end. So Aaron would have to be happy
with that. What I'm saying is, do you move off
Sauce and get the future quarterback? I think it's very viable. Listen,
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if you can get the left tackle, the offense will
be better immediately because you'll have better protection for Aaron.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I'm saying, do you consider moving off Aaron Rodns?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I like, I don't think it's the craziest thing in
the world.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I don't think it'll happen.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
But do I believe they've ever had a coffee and
discuss it upstairs? Probably? I mean last week Lazarre hard
Healthy didn't play.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Hackett's been a train wreck, Cobb nothing, Hardman already gone.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
But I'm just saying is I'm not predicting that it's
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But somebody told me something years ago that corporations decide
to move off you six to nine months before they
move off you, they raise hands upstairs. Do I believe
they're going Lizard's and miss Hackets and Miss Randall Cobbs
not productive.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Dalvin Cook did he have anything to do with that?
I think he recruited Dalvin Cook right well. I mean
Dalvin Cook went from like a top five six running
back to what does he do with?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yes, two hundred yard rushing.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
There's no way in the world they would have brought
Dalvin Cook in without Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Like when Lebron goes somewhere and he calls the shots,
things usually work out. I mean, wins titles Miami, it
goes back to Cleveland Lakers. Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jets,
called the shots and what has worked? Give me one
thing colin the defense.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
That's why I wouldn't fire. He had nothing to do.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
That's why I think Robert Sala I would not fire Robert.
Robert Sala has proven, unlike Brandon Staley, has proven he
knows his side of the ball. His side of the
ball is excellent. They're just worn down from being on
the field all the time. But again, nobody's saying this
is going to happen. But this was the year in
the AFC where Kansas City is literally went three weeks
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with Patrick Mahome and Andy Reid couldn't score a point in
the second half, not a point. Buffalo circles to drain burrows,
hurt Herbert. Now that thing's a mess. By the way,
Russell Wilson and Sean Payton next year are going to
start in a much better place than they did, so
that's going to be a viable playoff team.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
To your point, do you know who seven in the
AFC is right now? The Indianapolis Colts with a rookie
coach and Gardner Minshew and we both.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Love psyching Shane Stall he is great and also Anthony
Richardson was wildly dynamic when he played.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
This is bad now and now when you put it
in context like that, like this is the year jets there,
I have to scroll down a little bit. They're fifteen
of sixteen in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Currently, get a left tackle, sell Sauce Gardner, get another
pick and try it. Pick fifteen sixteen to get Michael Pennox.
By the way, they don't have to play better. Serve
to sit behind Aaron for a year anyway. He Aaron's
gonna love that, just like the way they drafted Jordan Love.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Actually, no, didn't that drive him to win the MVP
or something because he was so angry.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I'm just up spitting facts here, folks. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I have no agendas. Joel Klatz around the corner.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
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Speaker 1 (28:43):
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Speaker 2 (28:55):
What's up man? That was big? It was a big game.
It was a very big game. You did not appear nervous.
You were on it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
And of the many things you talked about, we had
discussed this that, what Harbaugh has done and a lot
of it. I don't blame Ryan Day. They have recruited
wide receiver talent so well they get the ball to them. Sure,
Michigan does not have Ohio State's wide receiver talent. No,
and they're a power football program. And I thought in
the second half we watched what Michigan's become. Yeah, they
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just say, fellas, get behind the whole line and we're
getting the yard. Yeah, this is you know, this is
this is a program that has developed itself into you know,
one of the most powerful programs in the in the
country just in terms of the way that they play.
And I think the evidence of that was that seven
minute drive. You know, because listen, this was a great
football game, excellent back and forth. Ohio State was answering
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the scores of Michigan. It was such a good, good game.
But I thought both lines were playing well, both defensive
lines were playing well. It was tough to run the
ball at times. There were third downs made, there were
fourth down so jing was good. I thought the coaching
was really good. And I know that Ryan's come under
some scrutiny for not going forward on fourth down and
the way we handled the end of the second quarter.
But he's good. It was just a really well played game.
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There was there was emotion with the Zach Zenter injury
and then the Korum score right way that is one
of the plays of the year. Yeah, that was a
wow moment. I remember I sat there on watching on
TV and I'm like, oh, this is bad news for Michigan. Yeah,
this is trouble for Michigan when that great center got hurt,
and I thought, how are they going to answer emotion?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Guard?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So Zenter's the right guard, but you're yeah, I mean
he is the he is the heartbeat of the offensive line, ye,
which you correctly described as the heartbeat of the team.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
That's what they've built around.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
They can have the seven minute drives and look what
you did in twenty twenty one and even against Penn
State they ran the ball thirty two consecutive times. But Colin,
I can tell you, and I've done a little something
to like, I would encourage everybody to go check out
social media. You can check out what I post on
Twitter through the Jewel Clatt Show and my personal account
at Joel Klatt. I did a little recap of the
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actual injury, and if you don't mind, I just wanted
to express the kind of America on your show. What
you didn't get a chance to see in the commercial
break was that the injury was immediate and we all
knew right away Bammed he broke his leg.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Air cast is out, card is out.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Everybody that's on the field can see this is bad,
and we know exactly who it is. Ohio State knows
that it's Zach Center, Michigan knows Zach Center, and the
entire one hundred and ten thousand, No, it's number sixty five.
And you can feel the deflating nature of that specific
guy being down with what is an obvious, pretty extensive injury. Okay,
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and there are moments in those types of games when
it's that player that that team never recovers, the stadium
never recovers because it's so deflating. Let me tell you
what happened though during the commercial break, And this is
something that I've never really experienced before in my career,
and I don't know if I ever will again. One
hundred and ten thousand people started chanting, let's go Zach.
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And it wasn't PA announcer driven. It wasn't you know,
a DJ no one led them. The fan base starts
chanting for this kid while his parents are out there
and the team is deflated at this moment, and and
the crowd and I took my headset off because I
was like, is this really as loud as I think
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it is?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
During commercial?
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And it was loud, and it was palpable, and I
start welling up and I'm like, oh my goodness, like
this is this is getting me emotional in the booth.
And at that moment, Michigan's team stands up and walks
onto the field. Then we come back from break, and
now you're seeing what is the result of the crowd
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picking up the team and saying like no, no, no, no,
get off the map, let's go, let's go Zach. And
everybody is out there, and now the emotion has turned
into in some cases like rage and motivation and a
galvanizing force. And so now all of a sudden would
have been tears and guys hitting their helmets against the
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turf in disgust and frustration. Now all of a sudden,
there's this galvanizing like motivating factor. And then the first
play Blake scores, the place goes crazy and he runs
up to the Fox camera and he goes six five
for sixty five Zach Center. I've never experienced anything like him.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I was very emotional in the booth.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, I mean, what was interesting that a Auburn Alabama
had a play that we saw live happen and that
was viewed as the play of the game. But you
were there for the moment of the day which I
didn't see as a TV viewer, and you just shared
with us, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I'm on my couch. I thought they were in big trouble.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Sure, I was like, Ohio State, so in one of
the things I like about college football has this dilemma,
and we both love the sport. And by the way,
going forward, I don't even know if I'll acknowledge the
SEC because the Big Ten is going to be so great.
And I say that's like half jokingly, but I've been
looking at the Big Ten schedule for next year.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Oh my gosh, it's amazing. It's unbelievable. It's like if you.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Took the top nine ten teams in the NFL, and
they just kind of went back and forth. I mean,
it's big brands, big game, big stadiums. So what you
do that. I like, college football has a dilemma between resume.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And reality, and like Florida State's like, look at the resumes.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Sure, the reality is you have them eighth, and they
would be an underdog in Vegas to the seven teams.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Of course, of course they would. Of course they would.
Of course they would college.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Football and the rankings has them four because it's the
resume to reality poll. And we all know the reality
is they'd get dragged by Oregon. Now they just have
a backup quarterback. They're not beating Oregon, Washington, Texas, Bama.
So here's the dilemma. I think we both agree that Oregon, Michigan, Georgia,
those are the best teams. They look like probably Friday probably. Hey,
(35:05):
I think you can include Texas in that. Okay, so
you would make Texas the four. Well again, so like
you're talking about scenarios and and let's let's play a
game here. Let's let's play a game all all the
favorites win. Okay, let's just say chalk this weekend. I
think that's true. Okay, So that's so that's that's an
Oregon win, they're favored obviously Georgia and Michigan. That's a
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Texas win, and that's a Florida State win. Okay, Okay,
So you can take four of those five. Yeah, I
think clearly one of those five is not in the
top four, which would be Florida State. Now I don't
know if that's what they're gonna do, because to me,
the four best teams in that regard would be Texas, Oregon,
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and then Michigan and Georgia. That would be I think
the best final four that we could possibly hope for
as just fans from a competitive standpoint. But you and
I both know that of Ohio State with a loss
faced Florida State, I think they'd be a fifteen point favorite. Yeah,
of course they would, and Ohio State does have a
small path to try to get into the playoff. But
the question about Florida State is a real one because
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the committee is supposed to be charged with finding the
four best teams, and yet they don't do that. They
always just trot out that mantra, but that's not what
they do, and that's not what they give us. They
give us the foremost deserving teams. And the reason that
you know that is that, on average, these semi final
games are won by an average about nineteen points. Yep,
they're not very close because we allow teams to get
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in based on resume and or deserving.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Now, if that's what you want to do, that's fine.
Just acknowledge it. Just acknowledge it. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
If you believe that Florida State has earned a spot
in the playoff, I'm fine with that because you know what,
it's hard to go undefeated, right, and I don't care
exactly what your conference makeup is as long as it's
in the Power five. They played LSU in the non conference,
they beat Clemson at Clemson, so I'm fine with that.
But without their quarterback, for you to suggest that they
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are one of the four best teams is silly, and
we all know that. If you want to say that
they deserve to be in, then fine. You want to
know who launts Florida State in Yeah, the Nember game,
Michigan and Georgia, whoever plays them. That you're exactly right,
and we've become a very lopsided semi final is going
to go if if Harburn's at number one, he's gonna
gonna go on a campaign. You gotta get I want
(37:27):
to face Ohio State again. I wouldn't want to face
Ohio State again. That game was listen you crazy people,
that's one. I'm not sure how many people. Maybe Georgia
is the only team in the country that could have
played that close to Michigan Michigan stacked. I agree with that.
Michigan is as deep a team in the country. They're
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as good everywhere as you will find. They're They're terrific
on defense, they're really good on offense. They can throw it.
JJ made that incredible throat to Roman Wilson was threading
it through two defenders.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
He can run.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
They can run as a team physically on the outside.
So yes, like when you're saying, who are the only
two or three teams that could go in there and
play Michigan in the Big House on Thanksgiving week to
one score? Maybe Georgia, maybe Ohio State. I think Oregon
is better than we think. Maybe I think Oregon, But again,
it's it's it's it's a tiny hand full of teams. Okay,
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So I'm gonna throw this out there. You were you
were there at Michigan, and uh, when you're not being
mobbed by adoring fans, you you have a lot of
contacts and a lot of people in the industry, you know,
when you were around Michigan people you don't have the
name names.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Is there a feeling because.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
There's a story out today it's percolating Harbaugh to the NFL. Yeah,
So two weeks ago I would have said, nope, like
he's he's going to be.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
A Michigan Now I'm not as sure. I believe that.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
The week of the Maryland game was a real point
of demarcation, you know, where the hearing was drop We're
gonna go ahead and just Jim's gonna serve the three
game suspension. We're gonna fire this linebacker, coach, And even
though they didn't do this, there was some like almost
an acknowledgement or admission that like, okay, like handing the
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cookie jar, this is the way it's gonna go.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
He doesn't feel that that's the case.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You know, Jim, to his credit, and I can only
go by personal experience, Jim Harbaugh has never lied to me.
Coaches lie to me all the time they really of
course they do about able excuse me, availability of players.
You know, they'll talk bad about players. I have a
(39:46):
very good sense of guys that I feel like have
a really high integrity, and guys that I think are
will do anything, you know. And that's by the way,
this is not a knock. That's just kind of what
it is in every industry. Okay, I can only go
by my my personal dealings with with guys. There are
a lot of coaches that have never lied to me,
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and they would and so I trust them. Jim Harbaugh's
never lied to me. In any meeting that I've ever
been in. He has told me I didn't know, so like,
I don't what am I supposed to be? Like, well,
of course you did, well, he tells me he didn't,
and I I have no other recourse other than to
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believe him because of our history together. Okay, this is
this is what I do for a living. You've never
lied to me. These are these radar detectors. So you
believe him because I do. But I think that what's
what's frustrating him is that like the narrative perpetuates, Well,
(40:48):
it's like and that's that's the world we live in
But I said this earlier, Joel Harbaugh has become politics
and religion. Everybody's got a strong opinion, and nobody's changing
there despite data, nobody's I got Buckeye fans that are like, well,
we lost.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Close to them.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Sure, the Signs had a huge factor because we got
blown out the last couple of years. We lost close.
And to that, I say, yeah, but this was your
best defense in three years. It may have been your
best team. Now I know CJ. Stroud was obviously great. Sure,
but I felt this Ohio State defense got two first
round defensive pass rushers. I mean, and so I again,
I'm not saying the cheating didn't have an impact, But
(41:27):
I think what's happened with Harbaugh and this is what's
happened in America religion, sports, politics, personalities. People have opinions,
and they're not move them off moving off them. It
doesn't matter. It's opposed true society. It doesn't matter what
you tell. So you're explaining like he's become a polarizing
figure and it.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Doesn't matter what he does. I like him.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I don't cheat or not cheater. Legit, You and I
have the same relationship with Jim. Yours is closer, obviously,
but he has text me multiple times, We've had discussions,
we've had multiple interviews. I like Jim. I think he's
quirky and different. I think he sees the world differently.
I have multiple friends who have been on its staffs,
so I have good sourcing with him. He's always reached
(42:08):
out to me if we say something kind. That's not
why I do it. But I like Jim. I respect him.
I appreciate his uniqueness because his personality is And then
his family members will tell you this, he's a different cat.
And if you're different, people don't don't like different.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Well let me let.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Me go to step further, because it's not just different
and quirky and that, oh, well, he's polarizing. And I
don't disagree with Jim on this point. He has been
one of the only, not the only, but one of
the only coaches in particular that have any amount of
cachet or power in this sport that have unequivocally come
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out in support of revenue share for the players. See,
when you start doing things like that, you start drawing
the ire of people that we don't even know their names.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Ye right, right, And.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
You know, I think that his stance in that regard,
By the way, he's not wrong. He's not wrong. Okay,
the fact that the revenue has gone where it's gone
in college football in particular and in intercollegiate athletics, and
the fact that we're paying Jimbo Fisher seventy six million
(43:26):
dollars to not coach gross gross, Like you can't tell me, like, well,
we can't rep share with players all time out.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Hold on, Hold on a second.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
We I mean, Jimbo Fisher gives ten percent of his buyout,
and you can pay everybody on his team well over
what any of them would ever make in a given
year the rest of their life. You know, I mean, like,
come on, Like, let's so he sees the farce. He
sees him by the way, he has a unique experience
now because he sat there and watched He was one
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of the nineteen million people that sat there and watched
this production, this entertainment that is these two schools with
eighteen to twenty two year olds going up against each other,
peaking at twenty three million viewers. You know, So like
Jim is saying, like, well, the player should share in
that period that draws the ire of a lot of
people behind closed doors and organizations that can, you know,
(44:19):
by the way, come around and start sniffing around your program.
You ever watch the movie about the creation of Uber.
It's a very popular movie out there.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Well, but I did. I saw the one about We Work.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Okay, So when you're a disruptor, you draw the ire
of people.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Netflix to Linear TV, Uber to the taxi service case
should go watch that movie what they had to go through.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Jim's a disruptor, trips to Rome, that's right.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
You remember the satellite camps, Satellite SEC schools were like,
you can't come down here, there's an invisible fence.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
So he's a disruptor, that's right.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And disruptive personalities and businesses draw the ire of the content.
The comfortable and the SEC got very comfortable dominating college football.
And the NCAA doesn't like Jim. They just don't. He's
an existential threat. The way the way that he thinks,
the way that he operates is so not in line
(45:16):
with what the NCAAA wants. They just they want control.
They don't want to change. They want to be rigid
and operate like they always have before and it's like, well.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
That ain't gonna be the way that it goes.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
And disruptors have courage. Jim's got courage. That's what I
like about him. Jim is willing to be hated by
And for the record, I'm telling you watch the Uber movie.
We work those people beyond everything else. You could say
they're brilliant. It doesn't care if it's Elon Musk, whoever.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
It is.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
People willing to be hated. We need those because they
break barriers and they make change. They force change. Jim
makes the NCAA look at themselves. I just wonder if
are going to be overly punitive because I was talking
to Nick right about this and I said, our judicial system,
there's levels of crimes. This by Michigan is like the
lowest of misdemeanors. Well, to me, to your point, just
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really quick, before you finish your thought. They're talking about
changing the rule that is in question here advanced in
person scouting to be like okay, like this was a loophole.
Oh so now it's really not that So anyways, continue
so your point you continue. I mean, my takeaway is
what you're telling me is the NCAA is like, yeah,
it was kind of stupid. The in person scouting rule
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that came in nineteen ninety four was put there because
there at the time was a barrier to advanced in
person scouting based on resources, and it's like that ain't
there anymore. So they're talking about doing away with that.
We'll see where that goes, Okay. I would also, by
the way, I'd be remiss if we didn't touch on
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the Ohio State side, just because this narrative surrounding Ryan
Day as if like Ohio State needs to go out
and do something that's absurd.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
They're fine, They're absolutely fine.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
The margins are very thin. Michigan is on a historic run.
They've done a remarkable job. That was an incredible game
that came down to plays in the last thirty seconds
on the road. Like, by the way, even Ohio State,
if you go to the Michigan paths of the game,
it was like Houdini.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yes, it's like it's in replay. If we have it,
how is it completed?
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Like to beat Ohio State you needed one of the
three or four biggest passes of the year. The other
one was on Alabama Auburn on an Earth that network.
It's like sometimes amazing happens. And the thing about it
is is like Ryan is one of the best coaches
in America, and there's no other path that you can
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take if you're Ohio State that makes you better right away. See,
And you can't just change for change sake. You got
to change to be better, and you.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Can't do that.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
So he's gonna go back to work, and I guarantee
you Ohio State will continue to push and push until
they can close those margins. And they're like, this will
go back and forth. It just it will. And I
can't wait to kind of see how that all plays out. Okay,
so show me klass top ten. I'm not going to
do the nonsense college football playoff top ten. Let's two class.
So I'm going to tell you who I am. I
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tend to root for what I think is the best
TV and the best product.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Okay, So I'm going.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
To tell you who I want in the final four
based on I think they're the best teams. Okay, I
don't care the order. Michigan, Georgia, Oregon, Texas.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I think that would be the best final four the
week you get it would be the most competitive semi
final games and potentially championship. Not a knock on Washington.
They're a nine and a half point dog on a
neutral field for a reason. By the way, if they win,
oh I'm happy. It's been great because you prove it twice.
That's right, you know, so of course you're you're in there,
and so I would put that caveat on there as well.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Michigan, Georgia, Oregon, Texas.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I think it would be the best four because but
for the record, those are all elite, top ten recruiting teams.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
We don't have any.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Faker who got in there because they're you know, undefeated.
These are like powerhouse recruiting programs. The question I would have,
where do you stand on Bama upsets Georgia. So let's
say all the favorite that's Bama upsets Georgia. Okay, okay,
let me think about that right now.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
So that's a Michigan win. So it's win. So I
just win.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Okay, So I do Michigan, Oregon, Texas. Here's my here's
my problem. It's not fair for Michigan to have to
face Ohio State again. I don't think that's fair. Well,
Bama would would go a one loss SEC champion game.
But I'd put Bama and make them face Michigan first game.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Which, so you're okay with Georgia missing the playoff?
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Why why? I'm just saying, twenty nine game winning streak,
two time defending national champnel. I don't know if the
committee is going to do that.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
For the record, I'm not anti Georgia.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I think there's there is a scenario where Oregon gets
left out and here's here's here's not just hold on me.
I'm just saying, I'm just gonna paint the picture ages.
I'm painting a picture here. Michigan wins, Alabama wins, Oregon wins,
Texas wins. Okay, they're not leaving the SEC champion out.
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That means Alabama's in. Now what seed? I'm not sure.
Guess who goes in for sure? Because of that, Texas
they have to they beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa. That leaves
one spot Oregon Georgia. I take Oregon.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oregon losing earlier in the year in one of the
toughest places in America to play on a last second
field goal miss when they gained five hundred yards, Okay, yeah,
I'm taking Oregon. By the way, the committee did not
include Utah in the top twenty five, which is a
vital piece to their resume if they were trying to
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compete with Georgia. Who do who does get a piece
of that resume? Because guess what the committee has done.
At the back end of the rankings, Tennessee weirdly twenty one,
Utah not ranked. There is a scenario everybody, who's the
better program right now? Utah or Tennessee the last ten years? Utah,
Utah not even closed. Who's the better program? Oregon or Georgia. Well, Georgia,
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Oregon's not down as far as you think. I'm just
telling you there is a chance that Oregon gets left out.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
It would be outraged.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
You can't lose in the last game and make it
in if there's aye, but hold on, but hold on.
Ohio State fan would be sitting here saying, like, but wait,
you did lose your only tough game of the year,
just like we lost our only tough game of the year.
But because some administrator in your conference says that the
best two teams go to the conference championship game, you
get to get out of jail free card, and we
don't you know what I would say, so Oregon gets
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get out of jail free card. No, I would say
timing matters. When you win games and lose games matter.
By the way the Warriors lost to the Kings last night,
if they're playing a game seven in the playoffs changed
when you lose, here's another thing. You're allowed to lose
on the road, Bama. Apparently not if you're Ohio State.
They just lost the last game. Oh but so if
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it was week six, I think about it differently. I
will know we wouldn't because the way that the Big
Ten crowns their champ is that we're we've got two divisions.
So Ohio State doesn't get just out of semantics, just
out of the fact that, like one league deemed a
couple of years ago, like hey, we should do away
with division.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Another reason you and I should run this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I'm just saying Oregon has a huge get out of
jail free card. If it comes down to it and
Alabama beach Georgia, the debate will be Georgia and Oregon.
And I'm not sure the Ducks win that debate. They
killed them last year. They're the two time defending national champion.
They just won twenty nine games in a row. Ask
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you you're going to keep them at home because they
are the neutral.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Where are they're big wins?
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Well, the committee would tell you that Tennessee went was
a great win. Where are Georgie's big wins? Well, it's
Tennessee wins bigger than the You all'll have Washington, which
hasn't lost since the Nixon administrative.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
They have lost a regular season game forever. Washington's a
real team. Who would George's big win be tennis?
Speaker 1 (53:16):
I think I think that I think that you are
discounting the power of of of Georgia and the SEC. No,
I'm not particular in that committee room, you know, I'm right, Like,
that's what it'll come down to.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Jay Mak, I hear you over here. You're like grumbling,
but like, that's what it will come down to. I
haven't heard you chime in. Are you taking Joel Klatt?
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Are you taking Georgia over Oregon in that scenario.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
I'll tell you Saturday night, Oh come on, that is outrageous.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
Float that and then not give your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I would have a really hard time keeping Georgia out
of the playoffs. Okay, Oh goodness, the doubling.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Their defense isn't as good as Michigan's. Where are their
big wins this year? They're not the same as the
last two years. They don't look the same.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Someone beat them.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
I listen, I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree
with you. They're not what they have been the last
couple of years. Where's their loss? Well, you're saying Alabama, Okay,
Alabama's the weakest they've been in a while. Maybe maybe
this is Waffle City. It's not Waffle City. I'm just saying,
like the Organs getting the benefit of the doubt right now,
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they get to play their conference championship game. They don't
have as good of a resume as Ohio State or Texas,
and yet they're ranked higher than them. They've crushed people.
I mean they've literally crushed people. So guess what could
happen in that scenario? They just take Florida State and
do away with the Rose. I'm just the gross I
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think that we have to be prepared for the fact
that the Committee usually takes the path of least resistance,
and I think Florida State with a win is going
to go. And I know that I don't think that
it would be good for college football. I think that
it would be good for them, and they would quote
deserve it. They get smoked, they would get I mean,
any of these teams would blow them out. Be this
version of Florida State badly. They game two hundred and
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twenty four yards of total offense against a five and
seven Florida team.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Not in a good mood.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
I know, I put you in a bad mood. Look
at you, your beloved Ducks. I don't know. I'm just
saying on my husky love. I think Oregon's probably the
second or third best team in the country. I think
Oregon could be the best. And you know how I
think of Michigan. I think Oregon Michigan is a go
down to the final series game probably. I think Oregon's
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This is the best Oregon team I've ever seen, and
they've had a lot of good ones. If we could
just get Michigan, Georgia, Oregon and Texas, that would be
a freaking great final It'll be fantastic. I'm telling you,
starting next year with a big ten, it's the end
of the SEC those games won't even be on TV.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
You gotta go to be I assure you Clatt.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
What's your podcast? It's the Joel Yeah, Joel Clatt Show.
You can go check it out. We've got a live
edition of the Joel Class Show popping up on Friday,
so that'll be stream on Facebook and YouTube. You can
find it wherever you get your podcast as well. I'll
be breaking down the Big Ten Championship game and then
on Monday, I'll be breaking down what the Committee actually
gives us.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
So go check it out.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
Joel clas Show, wherever you get your podcast. Had a
guy come up to me two nights ago. He said,
do you and Clant like each other? I said, absolutely not,
but it makes really good television.
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Got back in a second.
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