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Colin compares Caitlin Clark to Taylor Swift and why there's no denying their popularity and why it's something you need to embrace. He tells you why he was right about Jalen Brunson and wrong about Paul George. Plus 5-time World Series champion Derek Jeter joins the show to talk about the struggling Yankees and Dodgers despite entering the season as World Series favorites. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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to the Herd podcast. Here we go. It is a Monday.

(00:26):
We are live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making that's part of your day. Jmack is back
traveling abroad with the family. It is great to have
you back. Thanks for everybody last couple of weeks, it
was filled in for us. So you and I were
talking yesterday on the phone briefly and you said something

(00:46):
to me about when you were coming back. You went
and thought to yourself, well what's on TV today? And
the one thing that caught your eye beyond like the
Euros or COPA this week was Caitlin Clark. Yes, yeah, Phenomena,
Yeah yeah. I think Caitlyn Clark has that poll and
it's interesting. So yesterday she had another great fourth quarter

(01:07):
that came back to win. So here's what's interesting. Diana
Tarassi is injured and it may open the door for
Caitlin Clark to make the Olympic team. And women's basketball
just didn't quite know how to handle Caitland Clark. It
reminds me a little bit when Taylor Swift, the singer,

(01:28):
became a billionaire with the eras tor and like the
management team and Ticketmaster had to apologize, like in ten
minutes they couldn't supply enough tickets. It was just they
were completely overwhelmed. And I think that's what women's basketball
was with Caitlin Clark. I mean, they knew a year
out she could be the number one pick. They give

(01:49):
her the toughest schedule early schedule in the league over
any other team. And remember the Indiana Fever were the
worst team. So she comes in, they start one, They
put nothing but quality veteran teams that had been in
the playoffs. Terrible start, and then the league has to
scramble because she's selling jerseys and merch like crazy. They've

(02:11):
got to switch venues in LA. They went from the
pyramid in Long Beach to Crypto, and the league just
then they league got you know, this is what happens
sometimes with soccer fans, they feel ignored, and WA fans
feel ignored, so they get very precious, very tribal, very insular.
She's not gonna make the USA women's basketball Olympic team,

(02:34):
and you're like, are you crazy? Go look at the
men's team. It's political. Jalen Brown's not on it because
Nike doesn't want him on it. Kyrie Irving's not on
it because nig didn't want him on it. You're not
gonna put Caitlin Clark, your Taylor Swift on the team. Well,
you know, she sells out her all Star jersey in
seventeen minutes. I'm still not sure women's basketball quite has

(02:57):
their feet under them. You know, they're they're doing a ticketmaster,
They're bailing water. She's exploding as a player. She leads
the WNBA in assists, She's third in three pointers made.
Indiana's won eight of twelve. Yesterday's a prime example where
she is in the fourth quarter, best player on the floor.
Had a choppy first half but had ten points. But

(03:19):
you're not going to hear anybody pick on women's basketball
as a unit. There's a lot of sick of fans
in the media. They feel like the sport's been ignored,
so they're part of the brigade to support it. And
that's fine, but let's be honest about it. The sportman
a terrible decision on the Olympic team. The scheduling early,
even though they knew she was coming out and probably

(03:39):
going to be a number one pick a year earlier.
About the time they were making schedules was ridiculous. And
now Indiana's on fire. Caitlin Clark's like a seventeen eight
and six player. She's getting better by the week. She
says the right stuff at the podium, she's there's nothing
about her you don't like. And it's like, now you
make he made a big mistake the first time, not

(04:02):
putting her on the Olympic team. Don't double down on dumb.
Get her on the team. Give us a reason to
watch the Olympic women's team. You guys win gold every year.
Your competition's week, you win it every year. Give us
a reason quadruple your television ratings with her promoting not
only the other women on the team that could get endorsements,

(04:25):
but promoting your sport. There's a reason that top movie
stars and top athletes use the same four or five
agents because they can handle it. They don't get overwhelmed.
Women's basketball is felt overwhelmed. Here. You got your Connor McGregor,
your baseball, You got your Bryce Harper. You know it's

(04:45):
very You got your Messy in the MLS. You put
him on TV. You know, the whole salary cap in
the MLS. It's funny they got Messy into the MLS.
The guy makes more than some of the teams. They
figured out a way to get him into the MLS.
The weren't precious and rigid and so listen. In basketball terms,
this is a layoff. In NBA terms, it's a slam dunk.

(05:09):
If you can get her on the Olympic team. You
miss the first time, do it the second time. You're
doing yourself a favor. Don't get in the way of yourself.
Don't jump over a twenty dollars bill to get to
a five. As they say, you screwed up the first time,
don't screw up again. Get her on the Olympic team.
Diana Tarassi, by the way, has been a huge, ardent

(05:32):
supporter of Caitlin Clark. She wouldn't mind it all right,
So I saw this. NFL executives, NFL coaches, NFL scouts
ranked the top ten quarterbacks going into this league. By
and large, I not only agree with the list, but

(05:53):
I mostly agree with the order. Mahomes one, Burrow two,
Allen three, Lamar four, Matt Stafford five, Justin Herbert six, C. J.
Stroud seven, cross your fingers on health. Aaron Rodgers eight,
Jared Goff nine, Dak Prescott ten. Nine of ten I
agree with. I would not have Dak Prescott in the
top ten. This feels like fear people around the NFL.

(06:17):
They're fearful of the regression you may see with Jordan Love.
I'd love to see another four or five games. Jordan
Love is better than Dak. You did watch a twenty
seven to nothing lead in Dallas with a much younger
team full of guys one in two years out of college.
He's more fluid, He's got a better whip as an arm,

(06:39):
he moves better, fewer injuries. I mean, it wasn't close.
Dak in that game looked anxious, he looked overwhelmed. He
wasn't very accurate. He missed open receivers. You can't watch
that game and tell me Dak is more talented raw
talent than Jordan Love, and Jordan Love has better coaching,

(07:02):
and he's got better arsenal of weapons at tid end
and wide receiver. Jordan Love's going to be better than
Dak Prescott. Folks, how long do you have to see something?
How long do you have to watch a movie before
you're like this stinks? I always think that when I
watch movies. If you can't get the first twelve to
fifteen minutes right, I'm out. That's all I give a

(07:23):
Netflix or an Amazon Prime show. I'm going to give
you eight to twelve minutes. That's your shot to get me.
If you watch a Narcos, you know, if you watch
a mind Hunter, you can tell from the writing ten
minutes in this is a good series. If you can't
get me in the first eight what's the middle.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Of it going to look like?

Speaker 1 (07:45):
What's the ending going to look like? How many years
do you have to see Dak be really great in
the regular season against bad teams in his division. He
doesn't beat good teams because against good teams you have
to be better and more precise and elevate team mates.
If you go look at last year's final ten starts,
including the playoffs, Jordan Love was outstanding. Third in the

(08:09):
entire league in completion percentage, first in touchdown interception ratio.
That's with kids at wide receiver and tight end kids
and a young old line. First in passer rating twenty
six hundred yards. I think this is this is fear about. Well,
I could go backwards. I trust the Packers on quarterbacks.
Here's the other thing. Think about the quarterbacks. You know

(08:33):
you tend to think, well, it takes a while. Takes
a while if you look at the star quarterbacks. You
can go to the first camp of Mahomes and video
was leaking out of some of his side arm stuff
the first member week eleven, Lamar Jackson justin Herbert's first game,
c J. Stroud's first game, Joe Burrows first half, Kyler

(08:58):
Murray's first four or five game games. You can spot
talent early. I say this on all these music shows,
the Voice, America's got talent. How long does it take
you to go, oh wow, that doesn't sound like everybody else.
Eight seconds. You don't have to watch that much quarterback
play now. Jordan Love sat for years. I said this forever.

(09:19):
I had more footage of bigfoot. His first three years
in Green Bay, you didn't even get practice footage, so
I had no idea, and I thought he had a
terrible September, but by late October you're like there's something there,
and by November you're like, wow, okay, yeah, that's a
first round quarterback. So if you're watching Jordan Love in
Dallas last year and you're watching Dak it wasn't even

(09:39):
particularly close. More rawability, more fluid, better whip, better movement,
not putting him in a top ten right now. It's
fear based. And I think if you really are honest
with CJ. Stroud and Burrow and Mahomes and Lamar, even
Josh Allen was a little choppy early because of the turnovers,
his talent was completely unmistakable. You could not watch Lamar

(10:02):
or Josh Allen early first couple of starts and not
go wow, But these people waiting for Daniel Jones to pop, folks,
it's OVA, it's Ova. It doesn't work. That's why when
you're watching Hard Knocks on HBO Max with the Giants
they wanted to move up and get Drake Maye, it's over.
You don't have to watch a movie for an hour

(10:23):
and a half to figure out if it's any good.
All right, Diana Russini is joining us next hour. Derek
Jeter's on the show today as well. J Mack was
over there on Amsterdam in London with a fam and
those are Amsterdam. My wife's been there. I have not.
We're gonna go there in the next nine ten months.
Supposed to be amazing.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Amsterdam incredible, just outstanding vibes energy. We were there when
Netherlands played England. Oh wow in the eras they were
playing in Germany. But every bar, just the streets are mobbed,
people excited. It was great London. There's some Herd fans
in London. I did not expect that.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
But the shows big over there.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah yeah, well you know.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
British, Yes, yes, say that once or twice.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
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Speaker 1 (11:56):
There we go. It is a Monday run AFS two.
By the way, little Canada Australia game basketball now USA Australia,
my bad. I was just watching the highlights. Jason Tatum
had a nice dome. Not to send you to another channel,
but you don't.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Need to see that blood bat USA.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Already have like fifteen Yeah, I was watching some of
the highlights Australia for some reason playing zone. By the way,
Canada is having a run soccer basketball. Indeed, our friendly
neighbors to the north are having a run. Man, they
got good coaching some young young stars.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Did you see Serbia beat France Jo kids basically took
down women Yamlan company.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
He fouled out and Serbia is still won the game.
Don't you. Olympic men's basketball is gonna be fire. I
can't wait.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
So well, women, if Kaitlyn Clark plays with fact, yes,
let's just just put her on the tea, get her
off the team. I mean last week you weren't here,
but we were talking about the men's team. And I've
said this about Caitlin Clark, whether she earns it or not.
When you talk about Olympic men's and women's basketball teams,
the first five, ever six players the best. You know,
your Steph Curry's and your aunts and your Jason Tatum's.

(13:05):
The middle down has always been political. Michael Jordan didn't
want Isaaia on the team. He didn't get on the team.
You got a Nike Jalen Brown issue. Diana Tarassi is
a great player, she's been there before. Get Caitlyn Clark
on the team. They're gonna win the gold. They always
win the gold. Olympics World Cups. Where you put World Cups,

(13:26):
where you put Olympics, Olympic men's and women's basketball teams.
There's always been a political component to it. Get Caitlin
Clark triple your television ratings. She's Taylor Swift in sneakers.
Get her on the team. It's good for women's basketball.
She's probably gonna play very limited numbers. But for the record,

(13:49):
she was one and eight to start because of the schedule.
But have you noticed in the last like ten games
she's taking over games.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Imagine a college kid's growing up in the pros and
it taken it longer than a minute. But this on
on the US men's side, Like this whole Jalen Brown
Derrek White thing is bizarre.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean, Jalen Rose the finals MVP.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Three of his teammates are on the Olympic team, and
he's not what the hell is that about?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I think?

Speaker 4 (14:13):
And then he claims it's cause a cause a Nike.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Well swoosh related.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
I'm not picking on Nike. I was in Portland over
the weekend. But this stuff's very political. Have you ever
you ever see that movie Air?

Speaker 7 (14:26):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
That was awesome?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
You that I've seen it three times? Really great. I
like it, but it's okay. The shoe wars are very political.
Business is politics, politics is sports. Sports is both business
and politics. We all know that, but the average fan
doesn't realize that. And when they see the finals MVP
and Eastern Conference Finals MVP snubbed and he puts out

(14:48):
the the emoji with the monocle, and he's like, what
is this about. Come on, that's not a good look
for the league, Colin. I mean you don't think so well.
I just think it's it illustrates the re reality of
Olympic men's and women's basketball. Get Caitlyn on the team.
Here we go, Colin right, Colin wrong.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
In a Monday where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Let's start with this. Caitlyn Clark ten points in the fourth.
We had said once her schedule lightens up, she's going
to be Andrew Luck. She is going to take a
bad roster to playoff level sports. And she's been terrific.
She's averaging seventeen and eight. Actually, a couple of her

(15:30):
teammates now she is elevated. They play better defense. She
leaves the league in assists, she's third in three pointers made.
The league did her no favors with the first seven
or eight games against New York and Connecticut. Caitlyn Clark,
she's good and take advance. This is your Connor McGregor

(15:51):
to the UFC moment, Bryce Harper to baseball. Get her
on television as much as you can where Colin was wrong.
Slippers let Paul George go. I still do not get it.
Do you realize he shot forty one percent on three
point shooting. He's a little bit like a poor man's
Jason Tatum out West, and they let him go. So

(16:13):
they have now James Harden and Kawhi Leonard, who's never available.
I still don't get it. I think he's an elite
wing defender. He's an elite wing three point shooter. The
whole league could use Paul George. The whole league could
use Paul George the Clippers hard.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Pass where Colin was right?

Speaker 1 (16:37):
What do you know? NFL executives and coaches and scouts
named Jared Goff the second best quarterback in the NFC.
I never get the GoF slander, folks. He threw for
fifty four hundred yards last year and had a higher
passer rating than Patrick Mahomes. I know he doesn't run around.

(17:00):
He's the last of the true young pocket quarterback. For
the record, CJ. Stroud doesn't run around either much. This
league is won from the pocket. Scouts get it. The
critics don't. Goff. After Stafford named best NFC.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Quarterback, where Colin was wrong.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Greg Berhalter won sixty nine percent of his games as
a United States men's national team coach, and they axed him.
He got to the round of sixteen at the World
Cup and a draw against England with the second youngest
World Cup team, and they axed him. By the way,
I've said, I think there needs to be some house

(17:39):
cleaning in the US soccer federation. Here's Canada's coach on
if he'd be interested for Greg's job.

Speaker 8 (17:48):
I have no interest in the US job, and to
be fair, unless there's a big shift in the organization,
I don't think that'll ever have interest in that job
in the future.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
What is that telling you. It's not a Greg Berhalter thing,
It's a soccer federation thing in this country.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Loved Jalen Brunson from the beginning. I said he had
self awareness. I said, this is a kid you build around.
There's a lot of fake New York stars. This is
the best quarterback in the city. He's a leader, he's tough,
he embraces it. He just signed a contract which was
very team friendly and with the new CBA, big advantages

(18:31):
for New York to stock that front court, Jalen Brunson
is the most likable NBA player, arguably in this sport.
Self awareness, leader, toughness, villanova guy. I mean, I don't
know what you can say about That's what leadership looks like.

(18:52):
A willingness to sign a contract that's not Jalen friendly,
although I'll make one hundred and fifty seven million. It's
team friendly, city friendly, organization friendly.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Where Colin was right, Ronnie.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
James, how can you draft him? Have you seen the
summer league attendance? Now, he can't shoot, but he's not
a shooter. He's been a very good defensive player. He's
selling merch, he's packing the summer league games. Listen. It
was a terrible draft. Lebron's carried the sport along with
the Warriors for twenty years. You couldn't do him a solid.

(19:24):
He's actually, he's actually been a very good defensive player.
He runs the court well, he's a tweeter. He's not
a true point. He can't shoot from the outside like
you'd like a two guard to do. But is he
an NBA rotational player?

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
The overreaction to him being drafted, the kids selling out arenas.
This is a business, right, where Colin was raw. The
Denver Nuggets second straight off season, lost a key role player.
I thought this could be a dynasty after that title,
but KCP to Orlando. Excellent wing defender, excellent three point shooter,

(20:02):
second year in a row, Denver's lost a really important piece.
I don't love it.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Where Colin was right.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
The Chicago Bulls are trying to give Zach Lavine away
and nobody wants him. The Warriors were offered Zach Levine
for Andrew Wiggins and Chris Paul who they were trying
to get rid of, and the Warriors declined it. He
has become an increasingly inefficient player. He's a highlight reel,

(20:30):
but his three point shooting's gone backwards. He's not a
winning player. He's just fun to watch on YouTube. His
teams don't win. His three point shootings going backwards. The
Bulls are trying to give him away, and even the
Warriors said pass. Where Colin was right. I said this
a couple months ago. If you watch the Phillies play,

(20:52):
that's the best team in baseball, tremendous power, starting pitching.
They have eight All Stars times the all time record
ties it. And that doesn't include you know, Aaron Nola
got snubbed, their ace got snubbed. So this is just
a tremendous baseball team. Thirty seven and sixteen at home,
another Bryce Harper team is captivating, looks and feels like

(21:16):
a team that's going to get to the World Series.
Very rarely does home field advantage feel impactful in baseball
the old Yankee Stadium. Absolutely. Did you watch the Phillies
play at home? You can't. You can't get your TV
remote and go through the channels. If the Phillies are playing,
they jump off the television. Best team in baseball just

(21:39):
swept the Dodgers last week. Colin right, Colin wrong. And
with that, Diana Russini, her summer's over.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah that's all.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I hope you had a good time vacationing. Do you know, Diana,
your summer's over? You know that, right? Oh?

Speaker 9 (21:54):
I know. I'm trying to be the Phillies of TV
reporters at this point. I'm just trying to pop right
on to the scre here with everything I've been thinking
about on the beach the last few weeks. But Colin,
I've realized this as I've gotten older, and I'm not
sure if you can relate to this, but relaxing has
become harder. And I know if that's just how busy
we are, how online we all can be. But I

(22:16):
turned into someone that could hang at the Jersey Shore
for you know, seventy eight days not have a worry
of care in the world. To I'm like two days
in and I'm like, well, I should probably go home
and run in my house or maybe take up gardening
and do something. So I'm trying to get better. But
here's what I have been working on all summer. I'm

(22:36):
launching my new podcast, Scoop City tomorrow. It drops the
first episode. So I'm really pumped to join the world.
And I've spent my whole career trying to learn from you.
So I hope I make you proud, my friend.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Well, I'm happy for you. You're a hustler, and you
know I love that you love hustlers.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I do.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Let's talk Brandon Nyuk. So the Niners draft to There's
two things here. They drafted a couple receivers, Deebo and
Christian McCaffrey. They're very reliant on their physicality. Both players
have a bit of an injury history. Brandon Ayuke doesn't
as much. The Niners are getting old Trent Williams, Kittle
Iyuk and I think to myself, Oh, they need Brandon

(23:17):
like they need it, Like he's one of the young guys.
Deebo's not old, but there's a lot of injuries there,
and I think to myself, they need him. But I
would argue brock perties not a deep ball thrower? Does
he writ twenty seven million? Like, what are you hearing of?
Why did they draft two receivers? What's going on with

(23:39):
Brandon Ayuk and the Niners.

Speaker 9 (23:41):
Well, let's just start with the fact that they were
open to taking calls and calling around right before the draft,
possibly open to moving Brandon Ayuk. And yes, that's contractual,
but you know how this works. If a player like
Christian McCaffrey, let's say, had interest from another team, they
are not touching Christian mccaffe They love him. The San

(24:02):
Francisco Ferniners are obsessed with Christian McCaffrey. So when you
start hearing right around that draft time that players like
Deebo and I were available, we'll call it, that tells
you a little bit. But here we are now, right
just a few days out from the start of their camp,
and I can tell you the Niners want to keep them.
They do, but the price for receivers has gone up

(24:23):
so much that number that's not sitting great now. This
is a team that has always done deals late. Anyway.
I remember last year the Nick Bosa situation. Both sides
were telling me the whole time. I remember being on
your show the day the deal was done and walking
out of your studio in New York and I got
the text that the deal was done. I'm like, finally,
because I went on talking to you telling you they

(24:44):
want to keep this guy. Of course they do.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
He's the best.

Speaker 9 (24:46):
Defender right now outside Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Right.

Speaker 9 (24:49):
So that being said, they want to keep them. The
price set that the Niners feel was a good number
for him, we're talking that twenty six twenty seven million
dollar range. Are youux looking at the market going I'm
worth a lot more than that, And when you look
at the forty nine ers, they're actually in a really
good position with him because they could just let him

(25:10):
play out this year and most likely use the tag
on him next year. So Ayuk's making seventeen now right
right around there, the tag next year twenty two to
twenty three mil, So the Niners are in a good
spot for him. So in terms of this deal getting done,
I see them either working it out that way or
just doing a small deal. I think that's how it's

(25:32):
going to get done. But in terms of Ayuk's interest
around the league, there are definitely a lot of teams
paying attention.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know. I said this earlier that Bill Belichick was
all about winning for years and then at the end
it kind of pivoted to he wanted to be comfortable.
He brought back coaches that he knew they weren't necessarily
the top coaches on the market. He had told urban Meyer,
I'm going to coach guys I want to coach. Well,
winning's not comfortable. Winning's uncomfortable. Aaron goes to New York.

(26:01):
I got Matt Hackett, I got Lazard, I got Cobb.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
But that doesn't make the team better, that makes you
more comfortable, kind of. I do feel like they gave
the team to Aaron. But in the end, Sala, his
job's on the line. Okay, So Aaron's job isn't on
the line. Sala's is. What's going on behind the scenes?

(26:26):
Is there politick? King where are you on the Jets.

Speaker 9 (26:29):
Yeah, So you know you make the point about Belichick
bringing in his people because it's comfortable. The way I
always read that and understood it was it's a language.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
Right.

Speaker 9 (26:40):
You and I both read ESPN. I could hop offline
with you and give you a phone call and we
could just rip through the issues in our lives and
the battles and challenges we're dealing with on the video
side of things, the editorial side of things at Fox,
at the Athletic now, and just we just know what
the others talking about because our language is ESPN and

(27:00):
that's where we spent most of our time, right. So
to me, that's kind of the comp to how I
always read Bill and how he went along to his
business there with making sure the guys that just speak
the language, because look, the guys that speak that New
England way that are across the league, they're the same way.
They love bringing in people that do it their way

(27:20):
because it just makes it's one less teaching moment that
they have to go through, one less layer. So for Aaron,
that's more about comfort, that's not speaking a language. That's
Nathaniel Hacket is going to let me do what I
want to do. We're gonna keep Nathaniel Hacket here. Now,
look inside the building. There's a belief here that he
lost his fastball. Hacket's not the same play caller he

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was in Green Bay when him and Arra were having
all that success. They spent the off season early on
looking around the league to see if there was anyone
that would maybe come in here and improve the team.
Kipping Hackett with this group for bringing in maybe another contributor.
I'm a believer in when you have too many cooks
in the kitchen there, especially in the play calling business,

(28:01):
you're not gonna find success. You need the guy. And
if you don't think it's Sathaniel Hackett, move on. But
that's not what they were gonna do. Why because Aaron
Rodgers is going to make that final call, right and
Aaron Rodgers want Snathaniel Hackett. They were all in last year.
We know what happened. It didn't work out. So here
we are now. The Jets have done an incredible job
of just quieting the noise. Colin, remember this time last

(28:22):
year we were going bonkers. I was on your show
like every other day talking about the Jets. Aaron looks
amazing in camp and look, he's gonna put on show
a show in Flora Park again, right, We're gonna see
it again where he's gonna be making these throws that
social media is gonna clip and slow mow it and
add the most beautiful, you know, top gun music to it,
and it's just it's going to be perfection and beautiful.

(28:44):
But in terms of tempering the emotions and the expectations,
we are not going to hear Robert Salaz talk super
Bowl like we did last training. Can't remember that, but like,
what are you talking about super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (28:57):
How could you.

Speaker 9 (28:57):
Possibly use those words when you've done nothing on the field.
They've learned. That is the one thing that's my biggest
takeaway of the off season from my conversations with coaches
with players. They've been humbled. Yeah, they've been humbled. They
know what's going to take more than what they were
doing last year, and it's going to take a lot
more than just talking about it.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
So a team last year, I didn't buy into him,
nor Deshaun Watson. There's some personal stuff I'm not into.
But be that as it may, he's talented. There were injuries.
It's the only time I remember a quarterback being given
the go ahead to play and the quarterback is like,
I don't want to play. So it's like, Okay, what's
going on here? This is odd? Where are we on

(29:40):
his health and the Because I love Stefanski, I love
Andrew Berry, I love their offensive line, I love there
are a lot of things here I really like about Cleveland.
That's a top six seven roster. Where are but it
doesn't work if Deshaun's not ready to go, none of
it matters. Where are we on this? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (30:01):
It's almost like, you know, we're just talking about the Jets, right,
they stay healthy. We're talking about them in the postseason,
right because their rosters just built their defenses that good.
And I look at the Browns the same way. Right,
they've got this stout defense run by Jim Schwartz, they
add Mike raymol Right, they're not the issue. They were
so healthy last year on defense and I know that's luck.
But on offense, they obviously dealt with some of those injuries,

(30:23):
not just the running back position, but at quarterback as
we saw with Deshaun Watson having that shoulder situation and
Joe Flacco coming in. So now you got Jameis Winston
back there. I've heard great things about him in the
Browns building in terms of him understanding this Tafanska offense
and doing just a really good job there. But Watson,
it's all about his health. And during OTAs he wasn't

(30:44):
fully participating in team drills. He was doing some small
work right seven on seven stuff. The expectation though, is
as camp ramps up, we will see more of him.
That has been the thought process, even going back to
the spring of We're giving him the summer training and
he should be one hundred percent by the end of August,

(31:04):
if not anytime sooner, or at least the hope is
sooner at that point. But in terms of just that
entire team coming together, there are a lot like the
Jets from a all right, let's keep our heads down because
if we if we just do what we're supposed to do,
we're gonna be really good. And I'm with you on Stefanski. Look,
he's the most even killed coach in the NFL. If

(31:27):
you ever observe him on the sideline, you very rarely
see highs or lows. I mean, he gets amped up
a little bit here and there, he gets disappointed, but
he's just really controlled. It's a really good skill set.
He's obviously really bright, and he's obviously also very confident
and open to getting the thoughts of other coaches and
other people that know what they're doing. So the fact

(31:48):
that him and Andrew Barry got that extension that had
been in the works for over a year, that made
all the sense of the world from Brown's ownership, which
we've known, we have criticized for years, Colin, but I
call that one a really good decision.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Diana Russini, all right, well, I hope you enjoyed your
forty five minute summer with your beautiful children, your husband.
I hope you enjoyed that. But it's over. I say
that as I have another ten days later in August,
not to rub it in because you know whatever, But
I know what a jerk, what a schmuck? Who am I?

Speaker 9 (32:21):
All right, I'll just go back to hustling. You go
back to lay out in the sun, having a margarita
or two, enjoying the wife. You keep doing that. You've
earned it. I'm the one who has to go out
here and grind. I gotta earn it.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I have earned it. Gay mac do you hear that
I have earned it. Diana said I had earned it.
Good senior as Oa's Diana Ruscini the athletic.

Speaker 9 (32:43):
All right, thanks guys, Thanks Jay. Having good summer, you bet.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Now those NFL reporters they got a few weeks in June,
couple in July, boom, back to work. You're out here
traveling abroad, going to soccer matches and.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Me, I mean, I just heard you say you're taking
more time off in August. I was like starting to
email the fifth floor. Hey guys, I'm gonna need some
time off as well. I don't know where I'm going,
but yeah, maybe I'll go to a Jets camp or something.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I'd be fun. No, it's Hofstra, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
And I've been to one before.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Camps, you know, back when I was a real journalist,
now just a talking camps are bigger than like we
you know, the Steelers is big for years.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
You go to these NFL camps. It's amazing the crowds
they get. Those camps are like people take vacations they do.
I'd be kind of fun, don't you think.

Speaker 9 (33:33):
It's a.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
World out there.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
I spend four months a year with the NFL if
I'm taking a vacation, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
I'm faan the average family, they work their tail off,
and you got some teenagers who like the NFL. How
much fun would that be?

Speaker 4 (33:47):
It might be fun. I would highly recommend just traveling
the world seeing what's that like? Languages.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
People can't travel the world, but they can go two
hours to watch the Dealers or the Bengals or the Saints.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
That'd be kind of fun.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Maybe you know.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I told you this when I was going to college
at Eastern Washington University. The Seahawks at that point before
that's pre Kirkland. They trained in Cheenie. It was great.
I would go every single day too. That was back
in two days. That had Jack Petera.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I mean, here we go.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
I think he was the maybe he wasn't the coach.
By well, let me ask you. Did your parents take
you to a lot of sporting events calling up?

Speaker 2 (34:30):
No, yeah, I went to like two or three or
maybe four.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Didn't have any money.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, we couldn't afford it either, so we sure as heck,
we're not going to go. But when we could afford
it to a sporting event.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
But I remember going to college Seahawk camps I remember
Mike Tice, the tight end out of Maryland, and I
remember you Gene Robinson, a safety out of Coal game.
I know that name, so they would give you a card,
you know of the players and you knew Steve Largen
or Jim Zorn or they had a you know you
knew certain guys. And then there was this rookie out

(35:01):
of Colgate lighting the receivers up named Eugene Robinson, and
I remember watching him and I'm.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Like, this Ivy League guy.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
You could tell first practice, You're like, who is that
out of Colegate? And he was blowing people. You're not
supposed to really crush your teammates. So I always love going.
If you go to a training camp and you're really
a diehard fan, you're going to see an undrafted free agent,
do so. I mean half this league is undrafted free agents.

(35:33):
It is pretty interesting to when you go to a camp,
you know, you can kind of play scout and you
see guys and you're like, who's this like seventh round
wide receiver from Louisiana Tech And he's beating your top
corner on routes.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
When I say the name Steve Largent, what's the first
thing that comes to mind, and I know the audience
is gonna agree with me. I don't know what J'll say.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Well, I number eighty. I always remember how much trouble
he gave the great Lester Hayes with a. He gave
the Raiders great teams and great secondaries fits.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
What do you remember the face mask he did not have,
like the current face mask.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
You know everybody has like a lun He had just won,
and I was like, WHOA, that's that's pretty tough.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Steve Largent went to where'd he go? Is it Tulsa
or something? Hev they got him in a dre he was.
I think he was with like Houston and the Seahawks
were an expansion team and they got him in some deal.
I swear it was from the Oilers. He was great.
First game for best hands in football, and for some reason,

(36:36):
those bad Sea Hawk teams gave great Raider teams fits,
and Largent gave Lester Hey the gat Craig that was
post Jim Zorn. But they had Sherman Smith not much
on the defensive side. Remember Tampa Bay and Seattle came
out same seventy six to seventy seven. Tampa had all
good defense and great defense selmans Leroy Selmon. The Seahawks

(36:59):
had a terror defense. It was all offense, but it
was left handed Jim Zorn. Uh, it was fat. I
mean they were we were in. We had we lost
a lot of shootouts, but the Seahawk games were wildly
for Kingdome was packed. The Huskies were big, but the
Seahawks very quickly became the game in town. Let's see
large it went to Tulsa. I was right, and he
was drafted by the Oilers but traded to Seattle after

(37:22):
the preseason. So there, I was right on that and
he was I mean game one, it felt like it
was like Jim Zorn number ten, the left hander from
like cal Poly San Lewis Abispo or something to Steve Largent,
and they were immediately an elite combo in the league,
like an expansion team. I'm going seventies, rain man, Yes,

(37:45):
you are to start talking about.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Well, it is All Star Baseball Week, right, so this
is like the time when you're going to turn back
the clock to your seventies nostalgia.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I can't have a little fun.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
You can.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
You can be sure to catch live edition of The
Herd weekdays and noon Eastern nine am Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Tomorrow night, Judge, o'tani, Harper and baseball's biggest stars take
center stage deep in the heart.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Of Texas for the Midsummer Classic.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
It's the twenty twenty four All Star Game.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Coverage begins tomorrow at seven pm Eastern on Fox.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
I mean those are stars, Aaron Judge, o'toni and Bryce Harpor.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
You see those.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Guys, Those are stars, and you're gonna see him this
week in the All Star Game. Jay mcklanews, no, no,
turn on the news.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
This is the herd Line News.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
All right, let's start with Team USA.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
The Exhibition just wrapped up against Australia. They were twenty
and a half point favorites, led by fifteen entering the
fourth and Australia decided to make a big run. They
cut it to four in the final minute. USA wins
ninety eight ninety two. Now listen, Obviously we're on air.
We didn't get to watch a lot of the game,
but it looks like the US not emptied the bench,
but in kind of like Halliburton and company. The end

(39:02):
of the bench, guys, and Australia made it a run,
But overall it sounds like the US they were dominating
the first half with their core guys curriy Lebron.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
So I'm not going to read too.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Much into this, but you know, some people I'm sure
are gonna make a big deal out of not covering.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
The spread in an exhibition game.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Well, when I watched, I watched during the breaks in
the first half, we were you know, it was it
was a size advantage and it was a skill advantage.
So I don't, you know, I think the the reality
is I wouldn't get too caught up on what you
saw at the end of the game. If you watch
the early portions, which I watched bits and pieces, it
was pretty dominant.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Yeah, Anthony Edwards buried a bunch of threes early. He
had seventeen.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Your guy Ad, Hey, maybe that.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
When I watched Ad, he was physically dominant and he
was like battling on the glass, pushing guys around. It
was good.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, Just so people know, the FEEBO rules are different,
so there's gonna be some stuff that you're not used to.
The time is huge, Okay, NBA game forty eight minutes,
These are not forty eight minute gas I think they're
forty minute games, so like you know, you fall high
and you have a cold shooting night, like it can
get dicey. I think they were twelve of twenty nine
on threes. Not great, but ultimately.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Listen, we have the best team in the world.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
They're better than the Dream Team, but I think we're
deeper than the Dream Team by far. We're better than them.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Now, the twenty eight team was interesting with prime Kobe,
prime Lebron. That team prime wad. That team was nasty.
No knock on the Dream Team. They were beating a
bunch of tomato cans. Sorry, sorry, go look up the
rosters in the ninety two Olympics. There's like no NBA
guys playing barely now the best guys in the NBA,
like Yannis is.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Playing for Greece, Yo Kitchen Serbia, Like this field is loaded.
All right, Let's move on to the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
So they were criticized for having a subpar receiving corps
last season, but that didn't stop them from winning the
Super Bowl. They made some offensive editions this season this offseason. Sorry,
and Travis Kelsey said he's excited about the new talent
on the squad.

Speaker 7 (40:55):
We got Xavier Worthy, we got Markith Brown, we got
we got some dogs, we got some believable talent. You
got to revamp the team every single year. You got
to remold the team. Last year, we got better as
the season went on. So it's gonna be a long
haul if we if we get a chance to do it.
But uh, I'm just excited to get back into the
into the football world.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
No place more beautiful than Lake Tahoe in the summer
never been. Oh oh, it's just absolutely stunning. And by
the way the ball travels. You're up in the mountains.
Do you take your driver to Lake Tahoe, You're gonna
feel like, uh, you're Ben Hogan and Tiger Woods in
their prime.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
I like how he's like, we got Xavier Worthy and
Marquise Brown, while we get afraid he forgot We've still
got Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
He's alive, he's breathing, like, let's not go overboard.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Final story is Tua entering the final year of his deal,
reportedly still having conversations with the Dolphins about an extension.
No new deal yet, but Tyreek Hill thinks Tua deserves
to be paid like a top tier quarterback.

Speaker 10 (41:53):
For people to like sit here and try to discreate
a tool and say, you know, he's not deserving of
a contract is wild to me, man, because a lot
of like a lot of guys on the team understands
his value and understands, you know, that we need them
like we need we need his leadership, we need you know,
his mindset, like like the mindset that he brings into

(42:15):
each and every week is there, Like it's like it's
like terminator almost, man.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
So I feel like he should be one of the.

Speaker 10 (42:20):
Highest paid quarterbacks in the league.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Cast your figures on help. He's pretty good. Pretty good.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
J McK of the news, Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd line.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
You're saying this earlier the All Star Games on Fox tomorrow.
The most remarkable thing that Derek Jeter did it. Willie
Mays recently passed away, and Willie Mays is considered I
didn't watch, Babe, Ruth Right, didn't see Willie Mays, but
Willie Mays is considered kind of the best baseball player
of all time. Willie Mays and Derek Jeter are the
only two players in baseball history that have three thousand

(42:55):
plus hits, batted over three hundred, three hundred plus stolen
bases in two hundred and fifty homers. You didn't think
Derek Jeter had that much power, but yes he did.
But even better than that is Derek Jeter now joins
US live from Arlington. But here's an appreciate that. Here's
a number, Derek that's even more impressive. This Christ and

(43:16):
this made me laugh. This is like a Beer League
softball number. You apparently batted four eighty one in All
Star games? Is that up?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Do you look?

Speaker 11 (43:28):
I need to bring you along anytime I go do
an appearance, you can introduce me.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Go back to your first All Star game. Take me
to it. Who pitched? Were you nervous? Where was it?

Speaker 11 (43:41):
I can't tell you who pitched. I can tell you
where it was. It was in Colorado. And the thing
about your first All Star game is you're really overwhelmed.
It's an overwhelming experience. You're sharing the clubhouse, even though
you play against these guys for the first time in
your life. You're sharing the clubhouse with the best players
in all of baseball, the best players in the world.
So I was a little quiet. I was in the corner.

(44:02):
I was trying to keep to myself. I was trying
to soak it all in. But other than that, I
know I struck out because I looked it up before
I came here today to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
But other than that, I don't remember too much. It was.

Speaker 11 (44:13):
It was sort of kind of a fog because this
is something you dream of as a as a kid,
is playing in an All Star game. And I was
pretty young at the time, so I'm sharing the clubhouse
and playing against guys that I looked up to.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
So, you know, one of the criticisms of the Yankees
this year, and I know Aaron Bone and I really
like him, is that he's really player friendly. Well, I
think baseball, because it's such a long season, I think
you have to be player friendly. I think you have
to trust your veteran players. You know you can't. It's
not the NFL, where you know you only have so

(44:45):
many times you have to deal with a coach. Is
the criticism?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Though?

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Is there some fairness that Aaron is a little buddy
buddy with players? Do you buy that or the Are
there other reasons for the month and a half struggle?

Speaker 11 (45:00):
Oh, I wouldn't necessarily buy that you have to be
a player's manager to be successful, especially this day and age.
The great thing about Aaron, Aaron played the game. He
understands that you're going to have struggles throughout the course
of a six month season. You play one hundred and
sixty two games, and you're going to struggle, and you know,
I think he's done a great job. Ultimately, it falls
on the players. Those are the ones that are on
the field playing the games. Actually, but I would say

(45:24):
I haven't paid much attention to the criticism. I think
criticism is a part of playing in New York, especially
when the expectation level is where it is. But if
he is getting heavily criticized, I think it's a bit
unfair because ultimately the players are the ones that play.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
So the Dodgers' injury report is insane. Now we all
know that this sport is really tough on pitchers, and
everybody's throwing hard. I swear to god, you go from
a starter at ninety eight to a setup guy at
one oh one to a closer at one on one,
But you remained for all those years. You remained really healthy.

(46:00):
And when I do see injuries in baseball, and we
always talk about them in football, and I think to myself,
these guys, why pitchers don't throw as many innings? I
sometimes wonder do you consider your career Was it training?
I mean, nutrition's better today? Was it luck? But you

(46:21):
mostly stayed healthy? The guys travel better, the training is better.
What do you make of injuries, like a Dodger team
that is just riddled with injuries? Well, sometimes it's bad luck.
I mean, you can't explain it. We play a long season.

Speaker 11 (46:34):
You play what thirty games in spring training, hundred and
sixty two during the regular season, then you have the postseason.
I was always conditioned to play every day. I wanted
to play every single day. When you talk about pitchers,
I think, you know, the starters aren't going as long
as they used to back in the day. You don't
see too many Nolan Ryan's Roger Clemens that go out
and pitch every single day, and they throw one hundred

(46:55):
and fifty pitches when they're out there. So I think
now players are conditioned to do a little bit less.
And uh yeah, you do mention that the travels better.
It seems like it's a lot easier than it was before.
But it is a very tough, difficult schedule, and uh,
you know, it takes a toll on your body over time.
So uh, you know, I was fortunate, you know, I

(47:16):
played every day. I was fortunate to only have really
two serious injuries during my career. But I was always
conditioned to go out there and play every day.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Are you surprised? You? You and Eli Manning, I've compared
to that. You always talk to the press. You were
always always viewed favorably by the New York press, but
you never gave him too much. You always knew when
to stop talking. And uh, and so you avoided I mean,

(47:44):
you'd have a slump like the regular players, but you
stayed out of the nonsense. You lived your life and play.
Oh shoheo. Taani had this major controversy around him, and
it does not appear to have affected him, And I'm
kind of surpri it's are you surprised.

Speaker 11 (48:03):
Me had a controversy? What was a controversial? You know,
I'll be honest with you. What Otani has been able
to do on the field, it takes a lot more
than just physical capabilities. I mean, mentally, he's probably as
tough as anyone to be able to do that, to
be able to go out there and pitch at a sigh,
young level pace and then go out and win an

(48:25):
MVP offensively, So it's not too surprising. I mean, he's
been able to limit distractions. You know, when I played,
it was simple. I addressed something once and I didn't
talk about it again because I didn't want it to
be a distraction. And I think that's exactly what he did.
He addressed it once and it doesn't linger because he
doesn't continue to speak on it. So anything he does

(48:45):
doesn't seem like it's a surprise to me at all.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
We have nineteen players in this All Star Game, Derek,
that are under the age of twenty seven. That's insane.

Speaker 11 (48:58):
That's great for the sport, Collins, absolutely wonderful for the
sport to have these young players that hopefully can play
for a long long time, and then you see him
in the All Star Game here tomorrow and hopefully you
see some of these same faces ten years from now.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Do you think it's because the game is more global
and we're just the pots bigger, I mean, what do
you make of it?

Speaker 11 (49:18):
I think part of it is guys are signing at
a young age they're getting opportunities to play at a
young age. I think you throw analytics into the mix
when they say players are getting old at the age
of thirty. They're looking for someone younger to come along
and fill the position. So I think guys are getting
those opportunities early on in their careers that you know,
maybe you didn't get at such an early age, you know,

(49:40):
twenty thirty forty years ago.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, the Paul Skeins, Pittsburgh Pirates, dominant guy overpowering you
faced obviously you were in the Nolan Ryan era.

Speaker 11 (49:53):
But oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no, not even an evening slow down, slow down. No.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I was way after Nolan. Wait after Nolan?

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Okay, okay, okay, I'm trying to think of the hard
throw Randy Johnson. You face Randy a few times, okay, okay, okay, Ran,
did let me think of somebody else? Let me think
of somebody else, Randy Roger Clemens Roger through hard? Okay,
no Nolan, okay, Pedro through hard. Was there ever a
guy with schemes? Sometimes it's like guys are behind him,

(50:23):
like behind him. First couple of times you faced, maybe
a Randy Johnson or a Pedro. Did you ever go
back to the dugout and just say, Fellas, this is different,
because that's what it looks like with this kid.

Speaker 11 (50:39):
I tried not to, you know, because you want to
instill confidence in your teammates. But you know, just watching Paul.
I haven't seen him in person, but just watching him.
Most guys have an adjustment period, whether they're coming from
high school, college, it takes them a while in the
minor leagues. This guy stepped right in and it's it's
continued what he's doing. It's dominating. You know, he dominated
in college. Now he's dominating at the major league level,

(51:01):
and that's pretty much unheard of. I think it's the
first one to be drafted number one and then the
following year start an All Star Games. So it's been
fun to watch. You know, over the course of the
second half of the season, the league's going to make
an adjustment, and I'm sure he's going to make an
adjustment to them.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I do apologize. I thought you and Nolan may overlap
for it.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
No no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
No one no, just one at BAD.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
But it wasn't even one at BAD. I didn't face
Nolan right now, no, I know.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I thought you may have overlapped. I don't have a
fat check Wikipedia in front of me. Let me ask
you this, of all the All Stars you played for
or with, and there's a lot of different personalities in
a different style when you were on the dugout steps
in the All Star Game, and maybe it was a
guy from the National League that you just didn't see

(51:48):
a lot of Was there ever a guy that you thought, oh,
I'm going to make sure I watch this cat. I've
seen him on TV, I've seen him on Sports Center.

Speaker 11 (51:57):
Yeah, there were a few of them, but I think
the one that comes to mind probably cal cal Ripken.
I mean, he was the first line of defense I had,
and I'm sure a lot of taller shortstops had. When
people said you're a little bit tall to play the position,
we'd say, well, look at Cal Ripkins. So obviously I
played against him in ninety six and ninety seven, my
first All Star Game in ninety eight, had a chance
to share the clubhouse with him, but I just watched

(52:18):
him from afar. He's known for his work ethic, he's
known for being an iron man and having his streak,
and I just wanted to see how he prepared in
order to play that many games in a row. So
I think col is the guy that stands out to me.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah, good seeing you. It's the All Star Game. It's
tomorrow on Fox that it starts at seven Eastern. And
do you you didn't remember your first All Star at bat?
Do you remember your well, let's see your final All
Star game in twenty fourteen, you had two hits. You were,
you were the MVP in two thousand. Boy, you you
really you eight at the All Star Games four eight.

Speaker 11 (52:53):
I had fun, but I didn't face Nolan Ryan. Just
remember that I never faced Nolan Ryan.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Derek. There's a lot of you guys just played on
my television forever. I thought there was one, a just
one at bat somewhere in your life. Okay, my bad,
I'm sorry about that. By the way, Derek did not
face cy Young either. It should be no, he did
not face I'm sorry. Good seeing you by it, you too,

(53:19):
talk to you soon, all right.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
My bad?

Speaker 1 (53:22):
I don't know. I mean, no one Ryan pitched forever.
Derek played forever. I thought there was an ab in
there somewhere, the one at bat or something. He Boy,
you know, it's funny about he mentioned Pedro Martinez. So
I grew up, you know, in Seattle. I don't have
the numbers in front of me, but I think there
was about a five year stretch that Pedro Martinez felt

(53:43):
like he threw four to one hitters against the Mariners.
When if you're talking about greatest pitchers, let's say I
just said five years. Like Sandy Kolfax's career was not
that long. Sandy Kofax had six great years. Three of
them he was virtually unhittable. I mean Colfax was. It
was very very uh career at three years unhittable, six
years good. It was about if you just took you know,

(54:05):
because pitcher's arms give way. Obviously, Verlander pitches forever, and
Adam Wayne Wright, Roger Clemens. There's these guys that are,
you know, warriors, they pitch forever. But if I said,
like in the Sandy Colfax, if you said five years
of greatness, if you took the best five or six years,
Colfax is the best. I wonder if Martinez's second he

(54:30):
was he was absolutely un hittable, unhittable for a brief period.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
That's a spicy baseball take. Wow, I need some time
to dive into that. Pedro Martinez really really good in
his prime. I just didn't like the Red Sox sees like, man.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Okay, Ryan, are you looking that up? You should give me,
give me the give me the Pedro Martinez Mariner splits.
I think he threw. I think he threw four to
one hitters against him. What I could not hit him