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October 10, 2024 • 35 mins

Colin gives the Mets credit for turning their season around and who deserves all the credit for making this team into a contender once again. He points out why tonight's 49ers v Seahawks game is huge for Brock Purdy to save San Francisco's season. 3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman joins the show in studio to explain why Bill Belichick is not a candidate for the Jets head coaching position

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here we go. It is a Thursday, and we are
fired up live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for Megan. How's part of your day? Well say this.
I watched the Mets game and the Yankees game last night.
The Mets are more fun to watch. I'm just telling you,
they're more fun to watch. I know the Yankees have

(00:48):
the bigger brand, but when Steve Cohen took them over,
we bought the team. It's like, we're not gonna be
second fiddle anymore. Mets dous the Phillies, who are the
best team in base ball early in the season. I
don't know. I gotta be honest. You don't have to
like him, but as the kids say, we got to

(01:08):
put some respect on that name.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
What was the freezer use yesterday?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I stand on business. The New York Mets are standing
on business. Now respect on my Okay, okay, all right,
Coward's Field. All right, we gotta be honest about it.
The Mets have gone from a great story to a
great team since June. Most wins, best record in baseball,
number one run differential, and just we're a buzz saw

(01:35):
through the Phillies. Let's give you the highlight, Francisco Lindor,
the Grand Slam. Here it is the two one Lindor
to's like centerfield.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
This run is back, it is gone. Good slid head lactor.
What's the Mets on top? The biggest sling of the
season for New York?

Speaker 1 (01:59):
All right? That was Steve Cohen's first big get, the billionaire.
He took some big swings. But here's the key. He
didn't get stubborn when they were a mess last year.
They spent all that money, they were a mess, and
so Steve Cohen said, all right, Max Scherzer, we took
a swing. It didn't work. Justin Verlander, who was coming

(02:20):
off a cy young season, you get the move. But
Steve Cohen didn't get stubborn. He didn't double down, he pivoted,
he moved off him, got some prospects. That's the way
to do it. What he's become is a much better
version of Steve Balmer of the Clippers, who remains bizarrely
loyal to Kawhi Leonard, who's never healthy, not reliable, not

(02:43):
a team leader, and frankly is a little odd. Lindor's
everything great kind of quiet, doesn't taunt and but it
goes to Steve Cohen when he bought the team, this
was the goal. There was a difference between impulsive. You
see that with a Jets ownership. All these guys, rich
and progressive and smart again. Scherzer and Verlander were celebrated

(03:06):
when they bought him over, and they should have been.
Again Verlander saw young Shurs are big money pitcher. But
it didn't work. They weren't healthy. They let him go
and by the way, I think both got beat up
this year and injured, so they were right. But what
they didn't do. Steve Cohen wasn't stubborn. He's the perfect owner.
He's got a lot of money, he got great capital,
he's super passionate, huge met fan, and he's not stubborn.

(03:28):
He's not trying to justify his moves. He takes big swings.
And you know if you take big swings. We know
this about home run hitters. They strike out a lot.
All right, you got another at bat in an hour.
Get ready, don't turn one interception to two. Get ready,
get over it. Pivot. And there was an interesting comment

(03:48):
it was Aaron Fox after the game about Steve Cohen
when he took over by a member of this team.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
I've been up here in the Big least since sixteen.
And as you know, Derek, the Mets, you know, we're
kind of thought of is like the other team in
New York. And you know, when Steve bought this team,
he had a team a dinner where he took us
all individually and took time to have a dinner with
us individually, and said, how can we make this a

(04:17):
world class club?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
How can we change the.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Narrative on the New York Mets and make them not
just the other team in New York but the team.
We wanted to get it done right here, right from
the top to the bottom.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
And I'm so glad that we were able to do
that for metsination. Yeah, the Mets last night went from
what was a great story. But if you look since June,
they're a great team and they're a great example of
how to stand on business. Take big swings, don't justify him,
pivot if you have to. Ferlander and Suser weren't bad moves.

(04:50):
It didn't work out and the team was a mess
last year and now this year they're magic. That's how
to run a business, not the way the Jets do
cross down. So tonight is actually a big Thursday night game,
and you wouldn't think so. It's just San Francisco Seattle
or not even a third through the season. But brock
Purty this year completion percentage is worse than Will Levis.

(05:15):
His touchdowns are lower than Justin Field's, and his giveaways
double Daniel Jones. He has regressed to the mean. And
what's concerning is he's only missing one piece, Christian McCaffrey.
And by the way, the backup running back to Christian
McCaffrey's actually pretty good. They're missing one piece. So basically,

(05:35):
unless everything is perfect, he's a guy. Well that's the opposite.
Every stockbroker, every day trader bro is brilliant. When the
earnings reports are good, what happens when they're not, you
lose all my money. Everybody's good in this league when
they have time to throw and they have a stacked roster,

(05:57):
they have a lot of quarterbacks win games. That's not
the league. Okay. And remember, once you pay brock Purty
got to take away some of the toys. Yeah, right now,
he's free. Last guy taken in the draft. He's free.
So you can surround him with an all star team.
You don't get Debo and I, Yuke and Kittle and

(06:20):
Trent Williams if you have to pay him thirty nine
million a year or forty nine million dollars a year.
So tonight really is a no excuses game for brock Purty.
First of all, Gino Smith is very average at quarterback.
The one he's going up against. It's a big game.
Everybody knows it. No complacency. Seattle is missing three starters
on their defense outside of Christian McCaffrey. All the weapons

(06:44):
are there. The Niners remain a very good first half team.
They should take a lead in quiet the stadium. And
the other thing is it's a great head coach, Kyle
Shanahan against a rookie head coach and as Jay Mack
pointed out yesterday, rookie head coaches the first time they
play on Thursday night football. It's not good. It's just
not good. Here's the other thing about brock Purty. And

(07:05):
I do think he's athletic, more athletic than I gave
him credit for. And I think he's fine. I think
he's a good quarterback. But good quarterbacks do not hold trophies.
You know, they get into the playoffs, get bounce in
the first round. That's what good quarterbacks do. And the
standard for the Niners is not the standard for most teams.
Only two teams in this league have a standard of
winning a super Bowl. That's it. Maybe Buffalo, if they

(07:27):
get to a super Bowl, everybody'll be happy in Buffalo.
That's next. Maybe the Ravens get to a super Bowl. Okay,
Lamar can win. But there's only two organizations in the
NFL that getting to the super Bowl is not enough.
Kansas City and San Francisco both get there all the time.
Even Buffalo and Baltimore. If they get to a super
Bowl and lose, you'd be like, it would justify McDermot.

(07:48):
Can coach can get through the Chiefs, Hey Lamar can
win playoff games. We can stop talking about that. You'd
be okay. There wouldn't be a victory parade, but to
be okay. San Francisco loses again. Shanahan in trouble. Honestly,
he probably blew another lead. But this is the thing
that does worry me is that if you look, they
call him splits. If you look at the forty nine

(08:10):
ers offensive splits, first half, second half, quarter splits. Here's
what's worrying. They are fourth in the NFL offensively in
the first half, twenty second in the second half. Now,
why would that be because the first half is Kyle
Shanahan's scripted plays. It's not the coach. You keep blaming

(08:32):
the coach. It's not the coach. Once everybody's seen the
scripted plays, you know the second half where Mahomes makes
a run to win a Super Bowl, or Mahomes makes
a throw to beat Garoppolo Jimmy g on script was great,
needed a big throw and the fourth missed it. That's
the difference between Brady and a lot of guys that

(08:53):
couldn't beat him. Tom was good on script, okay, but
the truth was Tom never had a touchdown. I don't
believe in the Super Bowl first quarter. Ever, Brady was
a second half guy. That's when Tom had seen the defense,
had seen the tricks, had seen their game plan. Then
Tom took over the game in the second half. Patriots

(09:14):
were not a dynamic, robust first quarter Super Bowl team.
They didn't drop sevens. They had a few threes. So
you win super Bowls in big playoff games off script.
You try to take leads on script, and the Niners
continue to take leads and can't do anything. So, you know,

(09:35):
look at it this way. With a quarterback, when the
GPS gets turned off, you still gotta get his home. Okay,
GPS is turned off. Shanahan's plays off, they're done. You
gotta get a win. You got to get us home
when the GPS gets turned off. And that's the concerning
thing if you look at the splits about San Francisco.

(09:57):
So tonight's not just another you KNOWFIC Northwest NFC West showdown,
not a big deal. Rock pretty needs to win and
play well. I don't worry about Shanahan, I don't worry
about the stars. I worry about the kid. Julian Edelman
one hour from now, A little less actually Greg co Sell,
if you bet football, fantasy football, just love football, get smarter,
Greg co Sell, forty five years NFL Films. I gotta

(10:22):
tell you, I is that last night? So the Dodgers
had a bullpen, it was gonna be a bullpen night.
You just bullpen guys. He gets San Diego's on fire.
Could you bet last night in Vegas? Could you bet
Podres to get shut out by eight relievers? Because that's
what happened last night. That was nuts.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Can you do more Yankees talk? Please?

Speaker 6 (10:46):
That was a riveting win Stanton Monster effort. And I'm
just thrilled my Yankees away.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I will say this for the dead Mets, you know,
are a better story than the Yankees, and the Mets
are more fun to watch than the Yankees.

Speaker 6 (10:59):
They were home last night, and that was an eclectic atmosphere.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Was it not on me?

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Great?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
You try on the screen, You're like, oh my gosh,
there's a party.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
It's I find that the Yankees. I I don't know.
You'd have to look at all the numbers. Do they
manufacture runs? I mean, if Judge hits one out or
John Carlos Stang, you know that's fine. But I don't
find the Yankees fascinating to watch. I find there's certain
like I think San Diego they're cocky, they're hungry, they're young.

(11:27):
Podres are fun to watch. The Mets are fun to watch,
and they're also this thing hanging over the Mets is
their history of letting their fans down. So I mean
one of the more entertaining things to watch is Mets
fans unravel. But the now whoever comes out of the
National League, Mets, Padres, Dodgers, those are fun teams to watch.
I nothing against the Guardians or the Royals, but I

(11:49):
don't find there's been great Yankee teams to watch. The
Jeter teams were great to watch. There were they had
a mix of stars and like role players. This Yankee
team doesn't move me.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Are the Yankees like a black tie affair and the
Mets are like a rave or something.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
They're just more fun.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
And again because they were such a hot mess last
year and because of their history you find yours and
the way they're winning, which is late game stuff. I
just find the Mets more fun as a television product.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
This would be like if the Jets made the NFL playoffs,
so it.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Would be like, oh my gosh, look at this excitement.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
They've been a dumpster fire for Yeah, but they're a
decade but the Giants have all the trophies.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Thanks for reminding me.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I'm just giving you facts over feelings on the show.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
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Speaker 1 (12:41):
You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible
Great rates none of the bulls. So this is interesting.
We know Robert Sahl has been fired. Who's to blame?
Blah blah blah. Does anybody care anymore? This is interesting though.
According to the Athletic, they pulled ten executives and coaches.

(13:01):
None of the ten thought Sala should be fired this quickly.
One of them said, the team's good enough to win
the division. Now you're not even focused on Buffalo because
the coach was fired quote. It just doesn't seem well
thought out. Also on the Athletic in the offseason the preseason,

(13:22):
they served twenty one coaches and executives about teams that
could underachieve. This is interesting. The Jets finished top three.
The reasons were aging Rodgers. That's not Sala's fault. Lack
of creativity on offense from Nat Hackett, that's not Sala's guy.

(13:45):
And in house distractions, you can give him some of
the blame on that. I don't have a problem, certainly,
not all. But the only New York sports team it
feels like in the last eight or nine years that
hasn't underachieved is this year's Mets. Why really rich, strong ownership,
A low profile, super sharp Harvard GM I think they

(14:05):
got from Milwaukee. Translation upstairs in sports matters a lot
upstairs blame the coach, blame the blame the coach, Blame
the quarterback. You know who wins a lot to Miami Heat,
the Boston Celtics, the Dodgers, the Kansas City Chiefs, the

(14:28):
Baltimore Ravens. Owners, really strong owners executives. I mean think
about this generally as a coach in the NFL, if
you can be in first place, if you win your
next game, historically you're usually safe. Not Robert Salah for

(14:48):
the record, the Jets defense this year number two in
the NFL. That's solid side of the ball, and they
were brilliant. They were brilliant in the last game. He
was the head coach. Defensively in the last three years,
all under Robert Sala, the Jets have the number one
total defense, not Spags in Kansas City, not Wink Martindale,

(15:13):
you know, not Demiko Ryans. There is Robert Sala outstanding
his side of the ball, but he wasn't a head coach.
It's funny nobody ever works for the Jets. Maybe it's
the Jets. So last year, this team won seven games
with Zach Wilson, Trevor Simeon and Tim Boyle at quarterback.

(15:36):
Let's be honest, he should have finished second to Kevin
Stefanski and coach of the year seven games with that
in the AFC. Let's go back to that quote. It
doesn't seem well thought out, you know what, notre dame.
When you get onto the field as a player, you
come through the tunnel, you see that sign, play like

(15:57):
a champion. This is what the this is what the
Jet should have. As the players go onto the field.
It doesn't seem well fought out. It never does. Keep
blaming the coach. You got rid of the best coach
on your staff. And oh, by the way, Aaron Rodgers

(16:19):
in his last twenty seven games with Lafleur and sla
is fourteen and thirteen. The last time he threw for
over three hundred yards was December of twenty twenty one.
In that in that time, Davis Mills has done it
four times, Zach Wilson's done it three, Garoppolo four, Desmond
Ridder three, Mac Jones three, Aaron since twelve twelve, twenty

(16:46):
one one time. Maybe it's not Sola because it's always
the coach. Right, here's the new interim coach, who, by
the way, has now a demoted Net Hackett switching to
Todd Downing for the play calling.

Speaker 7 (17:03):
We all are familiar with the relationship he has with
Nathaniel and they're very, very good friends that go back
a long way. So he was he understood the decision,
and he was supportive by the decision. And I'm unfortunate
for that.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
So Aaron's okay with this decision. Matt Hackett, who Sala
wanted to demote, word got out. Sala got the acts
interim guys like, well, you can't fire me. Now, I
got it. I'm the only interim guy with leverage in
league history. I'm getting rid of Matt Hackett, which should
have been the move which Sala considered in the off season,

(17:43):
but was sort of vetoed by you know who.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
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Speaker 1 (17:50):
Twelve years, three rings, MVP of a Super Bowl. Third
most receiving yards and catches in NFL playoff history, Julian Edelman, who,
by the way, NFL kickoff on Fox. That is always
Sunday at eleven Eastern on our network here, So let's
just dive into the Jets. So one of the advantages
you guys always had in New England is there was
always so much turmoil in the teams in your division.

(18:12):
Miami was revolving door Jets with coaches. Buffalo blessed their
heart until they got Josh Allen. They were given the
go team effort. But again, you were in a division
without continuity, and you had nothing but continuity. I am
not a fan of a team. I always watched two
things for a coach. Is the team playing hard? Yeah,

(18:34):
they didn't quit? Yeah? And where are you well if
the Jets when Monday, they're in first place. If you
want to fire SLA on a six game losing streak
and the teams quit, but didn't it feel a little rushed?

Speaker 3 (18:46):
It did, but it doesn't surprise me. It's the Jets.

Speaker 8 (18:49):
You know, we all knew Sala was on the hot seat.
The only thing that surprised me that they did this early.
But I coul vividly remember we were in a two
game skit. A couple times in my career, Belichick would
always say the same thing, fellas, we need to make changes.
This is a production business, you know. This isn't for feelings,
this isn't for your family. This is a result business.

(19:11):
And if you look at the results for the last
three years, I mean, they haven't been very good. And
to not have a plan last year, I think that
this stems from last year's not having a backup quarterback
plan and thinking Aaron's our savior.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
This is a national football league.

Speaker 8 (19:29):
If you go out and think that one guy is
going to make your team drastically different, it doesn't happen
like that, and it does in certain cases, But like
thirty eight year old guy not playing his best coming
into a different situation. I think there's a lot of
things that stem to why this decision was made. You know,

(19:51):
the cadence talk and how to deal with Aaron. He's
a franchise quarterback. It was crazy. I'm doing some prep
for my podcast with names and we're doing the twenty
fourteen Packers game against Seattle Rush. We'll rush through five
interceptions and the defense had too. You know that game.
I'm sitting there watching Aaron Rodgers. He had a Caten's touchdown.

(20:14):
I mean, that's what he does. And so I think
there's so many outside noises that the outside people heard that.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
I think the Johnson Finley just got fed up.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I saw Adam Schefter had pointed out he said he
thought New York got to sala. Now Boston is also Boston.
Philly and New York are loud, aggressive media's out here.
We're pretty toothless. It's la. We're in a good move.
We don't even honk when you cut us off on
traffic Boston. Did you whether were there ever times could
have been Spygate? Were there ever times with the noise

(20:49):
outside the building like you did hear it and feel it.

Speaker 8 (20:52):
No, because we had such strong leadership, and that comes
from Bill and Tom, the two craziest compartmentalizers I've ever
met in my life. I mean, they were always the
same like Bill. Yeah, was he an a hole, Yeah,
but that's how he always was Brady. Was he just

(21:13):
always laser focused.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (21:16):
He could have something going on outside his life, he
could have something going on with the team. There could
be a trade. He was the same guy. And that's
where it starts from. That outside noise is dealt with
through the leadership of your team.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Did when you guys looked at the Jets, I mean
they had the sand chest team. When they had a
good left tackle, good defense, was a hell of a
gamle there. But a lot of times did you look
at other teams like you go into town, here come
the Patriots, whether you just won a Super Bowl or not,
it was always the standard. And did you like ever

(21:49):
look at other team even in warm up, so you cut,
you fly in, you look at the facility, you look
at everything. To yourself, it's a circus.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Not in a game.

Speaker 8 (21:57):
I never felt that in a game because Bill was
very very good at keeping us focused on what we
had to do to go out and win the game. Yeah,
but I did feel those kind of those feelings when
we would have joint practices and saw how behind the
scenes were how teams practiced the intensity of their practices.
That's when I would see, you know, like, uh yeah,

(22:20):
this team's not gonna be very good this year.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Really yeah, in a.

Speaker 8 (22:24):
Joint practic joint practice, because that's where you get to
see where the teams made up from.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
You know, we see the product on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
You want to give any specific nah.

Speaker 8 (22:32):
I don't want to throw any teams under the bus,
But there was a few where you know, you go
out there and.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
They're hamming, egging it.

Speaker 8 (22:39):
It's just we got water breaks every two seconds. I mean,
just soft just.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Saw this show has never had a water break. I
won't I won't allow it.

Speaker 8 (22:52):
I know you know that it gets hot in certain places,
but we got a ten minute water break where we
were sitting doing like one on ones as a different
team because we had to sit.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
You know. It was just that's when you can.

Speaker 8 (23:03):
Really see what a team is is through how they prepare,
through how they practice the intensity of their practice. That's
why you hear so many great things about the great teams.
You look at Kansas City, what's everyone here about that camp?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
They're working their tails.

Speaker 8 (23:19):
Up practices and he hits, he hits because those linemen
need to hit. You know, that's what I always felt.
I could see a difference in organization.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
That's funny. Davante Adams, Saints, Steelers, Bills, Jets. Let's say
you're a receiver. Obviously quarterback matters. What else matters when
you're potentially looking at other places.

Speaker 8 (23:41):
I would say quarterback is number one thing. Can he
deliver you the ball? And then also having other pieces.
You know, with the Bills, they have Shakir who's been
developing into a cool, awesome little slot guy, which is
like that Beasley role that they they've been missing for
a few years.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Kinkaid he needs to get rolling, but he's production.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (24:01):
I think it's very attractive place for a big time
receiver to come in and not take necessarily all the
eyes away from the other pieces, but be able to
go in and make key plays on key situations. I
think that would be a great fit for DeVante. I
don't think it's a great fit for the Bills though.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Why is that?

Speaker 8 (24:22):
You know, they just got out of the same situation
when they got digs to you know, they traded digs
and digs out and we saw in the first two
weeks how well Josh Allen played when he didn't feel
the weight of having to throw to someone. Yeah, now
these last couple weeks where they've lost a couple games,
I think two pass happy Joe Brady needs to get

(24:43):
back to the run, get Cooks more involved, and take
the load off of Josh Allen and make him throw situationally.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Now, how do you think they changed it? Had to?

Speaker 8 (24:52):
You know, they've gotten into a deficit, a ten point deficit.
In a lot of times, offensive coordinators they panic and
they change up their game plans completely because they're down seven,
they're down ten, but you know, there's there's still three
quarters of the game left, you know, and what are
you just gonna change your whole game plan and all
the things that the whole team's confident running. Now we're

(25:14):
going back to other things, a drop back pass game
where we haven't necessarily practiced a bunch. So I just
think that offensive coordinators sometimes panic when they get a
deficit and fall and run away from the run.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
You guys didn't trail a lot, but you had your moments.
Go to a big game, because there is that line
in the sand Julian from let's not panic to oh crap,
this isn't working. Go to a big game. Maybe it's
the Ravens, maybe that you do have to say, guys,
we're gonna move a little off our game plan. Or
it's not a halftime decision.

Speaker 8 (25:48):
It's probably a halftime decision. I mean, it's still I mean,
the game is adjusting to the adjustments. That's what a
football game is, you know. That's why you look a
lot of these West Coast teams that have their script
and they go out and they have a twenty five
play script and they look great, and then the second
half comes when they have to make when they have

(26:10):
to make adjustments to the defense, adjustments that they made
to their game plan. A lot of times they dwindle out.
And we've seen a lot of these West Coast systems,
you know, have trouble with that four minute offense when
they have a lead because they run out of plays.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
You know.

Speaker 8 (26:26):
Specifically for US, I think in the twenty eight to three,
twenty eight to three.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Game against Atlanta, we were down a lot, we.

Speaker 8 (26:32):
Still ran the ball, though, I mean you look at
James White and we may have replaced runs with passes
to the running game, but that was a huge part
of our system. We didn't necessarily change it right away.
What we all talked about doing was you're not going
to win the game in one play. Let's kind of
just focus on what we planned all week and continue
to do that, and then we get it to halftime,

(26:53):
and then we'll make a change if we have to.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
When all the coaches can talk.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
You know, we were talking circle back to the Jets
about Belichick fitting with the Jets and the one thing,
and Bill got criticism for it, but Bill understood the
circus that was the Jets, and he you know, when
he worked for the Giants, it was such a class
organization that in the building. I always imagined Parcels and
Belichick making fun of the Jets, like looking at him,

(27:21):
going a circus. Well, then Bill goes over there, you
know Parcells. But I just don't think that organ I
think firing Sola, in my opinion, is such a turnoff
to good coaches. I think coaches there is a community
or a fraternity. You don't when a guy's a stiff.
But like the Vrabels and the Belichicks, the guy I

(27:45):
think they look at the Jets and probably go, Hell's that.

Speaker 8 (27:50):
The Jets do have a really good defense. And those
are two real defensive happy head coaches. I'm telling you,
like Bill, if you listen to him talk about Moseley
and and the whole defense a front for the Jets.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
He likes that. Oh he loves that team.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Is Rabel a good fit? You know him?

Speaker 8 (28:08):
I love Raves, but I don't. I just I can
never see those two. We never liked the Jets.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
I'm sorry you, Mac, Okay, We've like it was always
exactly what you said.

Speaker 8 (28:19):
We would look at the Jets and say, now, they
did have a few teams with Rex that you know,
we were fourteen to two, smoked them three weeks before
go to the division round. They smoked us. They beat
us a couple times like that. But like you could,
always that was always a hiccup, right, you know what
I mean? That was always a blip in the radar
that was unpredictable. I just I can't even come up

(28:43):
with a thought because I'm thinking about if Rabel or
Bill went to the Jets.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
So I have no feel. It just doesn't feel right.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Okay, So on Monday night it felt a little bit
like it. Remember when Kevin Durant went to the Warriors
and they were already good and there were nights that
it felt like they were showing off. Yeah, they were
kind of playing. They were playing with the league, and
I felt Monday night standalone game, Taylor Swift is there laterals,
I mean, I felt like Kansas City was sort of flexing.

(29:11):
It was like, We're gonna put on a little show tonight.
I never thought you guys played like that.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
The Randy Moss years were crazy because nobody could guard Randy.
But I do feel like there's a little warrior. Not
all championship teams are the same, yeah, but the Michael
Jordan teams Ello flair. Are you cool with the fact
that sometimes it does look like Kansas City is flexing
a little bit on these standalone games. I mean the

(29:39):
reversus laterals, like four or five of them.

Speaker 8 (29:42):
I mean, that's a huge part of what they've always done.
You know, They've always been very innovative with the pitches.
I mean, I think trave did this two weeks ago,
didn't He in a third and long situation and he.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Was on the show. He said, we didn't practice everything.

Speaker 8 (29:57):
That they're always inventing something. There very collaborative with allowing
players to come up with plays, and that's very different
than what we were like, there was probably Tom and
you know, Josh are the only ones kind of doing that.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Would you guys go into a game with like one
trick play.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
We'd have trick plays all the time.

Speaker 8 (30:16):
It's just we would save that one trick play for
when we need it and when we developed the tendency
for when people were thinking that trick play wasn't coming okay,
So everything was calculated.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
How when when the trick I always think about this,
This is weird. The trick play comes in and you
have to act like there's nothing's changed? Is that hard?

Speaker 8 (30:36):
I remember specifically, on the one of the double passes
the one Avens game, Josh came up to me.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
He goes, hey, do I need to give you some
lee time? I'm like no, why, He goes, we gonna
take off your glove or something.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Like or excuse me, okay, but.

Speaker 8 (30:50):
We can't take off our glove. That'll show that we're
doing something. Uh so your heartbeat gets up, but he didn't.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Did you go practice on the sideline?

Speaker 8 (31:02):
I would always so before that I would always catch
balls from Tom and I'd warm them up before the drive,
and so before that drive, that's when I would sit
there and.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
I'd get warmed up, and I'm kind of getting money.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
You're just casual, casual, But I was sitting there slinging
that thing, getting that thing warm. But we didn't necessarily
need a lot of lead time going into a trick
play because we practice it so much. But getting back
to the Kansas City Chiefs, that's what they do. They're
very innovative. But the more impressive thing is how great

(31:34):
their offensive line is playing right now. You look at
Hunt comes in and gets one hundred yards a touchdown.
You just miss Shusters stuck hundred something yards and a touchdown.
And that's what having continuity with the offensive line, quarterback
and that one skill position player Travis does. It shows

(31:55):
everyone else like, hey guys, you need to get on
the speed of us because this is how we play.
We need to we need juju. You need to make
a play on a third down for us when they've
got four guys on.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
That's all you have to do.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
That's all you have to do. Hunt first and second down.

Speaker 8 (32:09):
You need to get us three to six yards, get
us four yards a run, get us four yards a run,
keep us in third and manageable so we don't have
to do our little trick pass where Travis is doing
a third and seventeen throw lateral play Like that's what
it's so impressive watching them. There's such a complimentary football
team too, and their defense is playing lights out, you know.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Beach Beach, Brett Beach Veach.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean you gotta tip.

Speaker 8 (32:34):
Your you gotta tip your cap to him and Andy
Reid being on such a cohesive page of developing their
players and building their team through the draft.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Okay, bo Nick Sean Payton had an incident. Yeah, uh,
Brady Bill O'Brien had an incident. When it happens and
you're close to it, is it odd? Do you go
buddy up to Tom? If you saw Tom go nuts
on a coach and you're like three players away, do
you say anything?

Speaker 8 (33:03):
They don't touch the smoking gun. You just don't touch
a smoking gun. You go back and you sit on
the bench and you look at your buddy and you say,
you see that that's what we used to do.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
But you don't, nah, because we.

Speaker 8 (33:16):
All knew, you know, Brady played better pissed off, and
that was then he liked that. I liked it with
Sean Payton and Boenix because I mean, we saw a
lot of this last year with Russell, and we never
saw Russell bark back, you know, and I think that
specific situation, right.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Look at Brady, he is ticked off.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Taekwon oh man.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Look at that he is throwing dishes. Oh yeah, that
kitchen is getting there's Look at.

Speaker 8 (33:45):
Chatty, oh trying to back them off, Phil to shut
up like that's funny, there's grown.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:53):
But when that happens, you you kind of let the
player and the coach who's that that's going with you,
let them hand that. But to go back to Denver
and Bow and Peyton, you know, I don't know Peyton
that well.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I've we've crossed past here. I like him a lot.

Speaker 8 (34:09):
I think you know, he's a he's an alpha guy, yes,
and he gets turned on when a guy does that
to him, especially if the if the kid came out
and corrected, which I I I guarantee Boenix doesn't look
like a guy that's going to argue something that's wrong.
It was probably a coaching point that you know, Sean
said to him and he goes, well, this.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Is what you said, Well look at the coach.

Speaker 8 (34:33):
Nicks and you know, and that's that's where that's where
it goes, you know, and and sometimes you need a
little bit that. That's a that's a growing up step
for a young quarterback. If he's right, if he's right,
if he's gonna go do that on something that has
nothing to do with the team or has nothing to
do with you know it it has something to do
with his individual performance or of individual play calling.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Thing that like that. I don't think that's okay.

Speaker 8 (34:57):
But it didn't seem like bo Nicks had a malicious intent.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
He was probably like.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Defending his territory. Drew Brees came on the show and said,
Shawn's very particular on stuff. Run to the short side,
he gets certain hashing angles. Yeah, like he gets very particular.
And what bow Nicks is saying is probably, yeah, we
did it right, you know. Yeah hit defending his turf,
I get it. That Brady video is intense.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, that was. That was a fun time. And we
were in Washington, d C. That was against d C
the former Redskins now the Commanders.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, and you remember the game.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
I was playing defense. I was playing defense on that game,
I believe.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Really, Yeah, it was any good. I don't remember. That
was sack or a pick or anything.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
I had a couple.

Speaker 8 (35:51):
You know, I've jam guys line of scrimmage and hold
him for as long as I could for five yards.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Awesome, Great see anybody.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Great to see you guys,
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