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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh here we go. It is a Wednesday. We are
livebin Los Angeles, sits the Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening, Thanks for making us
part of your day. Jamak, we are packed today. Josh
McDaniels former you know legend in New England. Albert breerstoffs
by today some breaking stuff. Mark Sanchez stops by as well.
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And you know, for years and years I had talked
about wide receivers. Chris Carter used to give me crap
for this being overrated. I said, a football team's a cake.
They're the icing there. It makes it better, but it's
not essential to the cake.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
And then.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Clearly because the rule changes, receivers became more valuable. But
about six months ago you suggested that we could have
you've heard of housing bubbles? You said, wide receiver bubble,
and I think you were onto something you think maybe huh,
I think you were, so I want to start with that.
Today forty nine ers brought Purty. The quarterback says, oh,
I love Deebo Samuel the wide receiver. Here we go again,
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another high maintenance wide receiver that the quarterback has to
make sure he's happy, like aj Brown and Philly and
Debo and elite neighbors earlier in the year with the
Giants and DeVante Adams with Krypton's cryptic messages when he
was a Raider, and I like Davante, but Ceedee Lamb
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is perpetually unhappy. And George Pickens and Deontay Johnson, even
Jamar Chase, who I love, may noise this year. Oh,
by the way, the top five rushing teams rushing teams
in the NFL Philly, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit and the Packers
are forty eight seventeen. Hey, receivers, we gave you a
couple of years to be stars and you wasted it.
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Complaining the world changes quickly. Nine months ago, all we
heard is the media lament the future of running backs
nobody wants to pay a running back running back saying
nobody loves us today. Power running football is back, Detroit, Baltimore,
Green Bay. Wide receivers have become once again flashy sports cars,
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really expensive, high maintenance. You buy one and you find
out they're not great in winter months and they're not
something you could drive every day. Meanwhile, there are running
backs all weather, power, economical, low maintenance grinders, add toughness
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and leadership to locker rooms. Yes, occasionally you will get
a running back that's got some flash, Kyron Williams of
the Rams, Christian McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley. But six of the
top ten wide receivers in the NFL, six of ten
leading in wide receiver yards are on teams with losing records,
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loud and losing. And once again, whether it's Philly, or
it's San Francisco or it's Dallas, it's this constant need
look at me, let's make sure the wide receiver is healthy.
I don't get that with Saquon. I don't get it
with Derrick Henry. I don't get it with James Connor
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and Arizona. I don't get it with Walker and Seattle
they're grinders head down. You give me the ball, I'll produce,
ill block all. Take on a rush end. I'll take
on a Mike linebacker coming a million miles an hour
to protect my quarterback. And I like Deebo Samuel, but
in six NFL seasons he's only had two years of
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a thousand plus yards. Derrick Henry seven straight seasons of
one thousand plus yards. And whereas running backs, when they're good,
make a quarterback's job easier, wide receivers, when they're good,
often need to be constantly soothed and pampered and taken
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care of. I mean, the AJ Brown situation is ridiculous.
Your team's on a heater. Saquon Barkley should be arguably MVP.
And you want more targets, you're getting seven. Okay, we'll
give you nine. And I like a lot of the receivers,
but I always felt in this league that they were
the icing to the cake. Saquon Barkley's the cake, Christian
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McCaffrey's the cake, Dereck Henry's the cake. That doesn't mean
I don't like wide receivers, but how many times do
we see this winning teams having to make sure the
wide receiver's healthy. What's interesting about Debo? My favorite Debo
is after the catch and when he plays running back.
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So when the receiver de Bo becomes the running back
de Bo I like it more so. I think it's
just a very interesting The world changes quickly, and if
you look at the teams now with power run games,
always a quarterback's best friend. It's Baltimore, it's Philly, it's Detroit,
it's Washington, it's Green Bay. Running backs are back, all weather, economical, tough,
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quarterback's best friend. All right, So nobody wants any sportscaster
to sit on the fence, right, Well, what's the point?
You got to pick a side on stuff? Right? And
I'm just going to tell you. When the story keeps
coming out today that Belichick and Carolina are close to
joining forces to be the coach of the tar Heels,
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my takeaway in my opinion is it's eventually going to
be a disaster. Let's start with this. He's seventy two, yeah,
and his personality is formed. He's got no charisma. He's
trying on the other network, but he doesn't have any charisma.
And college football Dan Lanning big energy, good looking, confident, young,
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Sark salesman, Saban charming, Kirby smart, likewise, Marcus Freeman good looking, cool,
Jim Harbaugh, totally authentic, full of energy. Pete Carroll at USC.
I mean he hit you like a strong drink man.
He was coming at you one hundred miles an hour,
chewing that gum. Good looking guy. I'm going to change
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your life. The players choose you in college football in
today's nil Bill's patriot way. Hey take a little less
for the team. Yeah, that's not happening. That's not happening.
So that's the number one reason. Belichick, in my opinion,
seemed a little out of touch dealing with twenty seven
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to twenty eight, twenty nine year olds his last three
years in pro football. Now he's dealing with seventeen and
eighteen year olds. So that's the first part. The second
part is, and this is true in a lot of universities,
but it's really true at Carolina. The administration at Carolina
right now is a little bit of a mess. Academics
one side, sports and the other. This is a proud
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university that's rival is the academic power Duke, So they
don't want to take a second fiddle to anybody. So
North Carolina is serious about academics, and there's a lot
of pushback upstairs in the academic world to the sports
world and the football program. And by the way, what's
interesting is the top college football agent is Jimmy Sexton.
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He is a power broker. Why is it he's sending
his best candidates to Carolina? Why are like second tier
candidates backing out? Agents will tell you the truth where
they send their people. If they start If top agents
in any industry start sending their people to certain locations
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it or not sending people to certain locations, it tells
you everything. Why isn't Jimmy Sexton send it all of
his great clients to Carolina because it is a top
twenty twenty five job. And the third thing is I
think it's all about Bill Belichick wanting to give this
job to his son in like a year. I think
he's going to get worn out a year in and
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say I want to give it to my son, which,
by the way, I get it. I'm a dad, totally
get it. But whereas Dion Sanders went to Colorado and
he was about attitude us noticing a program that was irrelevant, swag,
confidence and I truly do believe that Dion Sanders really
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does care about elevating young men. To me, Belichick cares
about elevating one young man, his son. And I get it,
I really do. But that's not why you take a job,
right Like I think Dion to Colorado works because I
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think he's a When it comes to Dion and what
he really wants to do, he got the bag. He's
the greatest cornerback of all time. He wanted to change
some lives, including his son, not just his son, and
so I don't buy it. I'm not sitting on the fence.
Michael Irvin, who was so good yesterday on our show,
The Playmaker, Former Cowboy, his thoughts on Belichick and Carolina.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
The current landscape of college football is a lot different
then even when Jimmy was in college. You know, so
much different right then. You know Jimmy can really use
the hammer to keep you alive. I just don't know
if coach has the time time to counsel, and that's
what it's going to take. That's what make Dion so
great in college. He's really a mentor. Coaching coach is
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a coach that has forced a mentor. It's a lot
dealing with kids in there, and I just think it's
it's yeah, that's not what coach want to be doing.
He wants to coach football.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, college football has gotten harder for college football coaches
in the last five to ten years. I'd argue the NFL,
though the owners are crazier and richer than ever, is
easier because there's more really good quarterbacks and really talented
offensive play callers and play designers. So for a head
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coach in the NFL, you don't have to be a
wizard's comantically. All sorts of very talented young coaches all
over the NFL, and that league has a pension for coaches,
so it's a much better place to be an assistant
than college football. This doesn't work to me. It may
make headlines, it may feel right for about six games
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or six months. I don't think it works. J. Mack disagrees.
We have some stories today. I have two potential very
unpopular opinion only two, only two today. It's gonna be
tough to top yesterdays show, Colins. It was very strong,
one of the better Tuesday shows. Well, you talked a lot,
so I think you liked yesterday.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
No, that's what the people want.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
You got to get the people with the right combative
j Mac versus coastal elite colins.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, it was something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
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Speaker 1 (11:40):
So I'm hoping this story is not true, but it
comes from an NBA website called Clutch Points, and it
says today sources close to the Lakers say that if
James asked the Lakers to trade him and his names
swirling around trade deadlines in like February, they would work
to define Lebron a deal where he'd rather be. But
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it is believed James would only go if Bronnie, James's
son would be part of the deal. So that's weak.
I mean, the moment Lebron made playing with his son
a priority, he probably punted on winning any more titles.
So let's just be honest about this. Bronni's not an
NBA player. He's not he's not a primary ball handler,
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he's not a shooting guard. He's tiny. He's athletic, but
everybody in the league's athletic. He's not an NBA player,
So I basically I totally supported Lebron again with his
son in that moment the first night they played together.
Totally supported it. But we got to stop pretending here.
This is getting Globe Trotter level. Sticky Brownie's not an
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NBA player, He's a G League player, and he's not
a dominant G League player. He's not even a very
good G League player. So and he wasn't a very
good college player on a solid program, not a great one.
So again, if Bronny and Braun were playing at the
UCLA gym here five minutes from where I sit, and
it was August and we all had our iPhones out,
that's awesome. But trying to force us to believe like
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this is a real thing, we got to stop pretending
it's inauthentic. It's just not good. And listen, NBA stars
have always aged strangely. Michael Jordan was on the Wizards.
He was cranky and didn't get along with his Washington teammates.
Mellow was sending us random videos from gym's wherever, seeing
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he could make another roster. Shaq was on three teams
in three seasons, and Lebron's trying to make us believe
that Browny's an NBA player. He's a nice kid and
he's athletic, but he's a six to one non point guard.
They do not exist. That would be like saying a
really super slow wide receiver, they don't exist in the league.
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And so I mean, listen, I'm not trying to be mean,
but have we gone from the decision to the delusion?
If this story is true? And I don't think the
Lakers should trade Lebron because the attendance is still good.
He's the second best player on the team. He's a playmaker,
and outside of Austin Reeves, they don't have another. So
I think trading Lebron is ridiculous. But the Lakers have
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sort of allowed this, and there's where we stand now.
He's at the center of trade rumors and it just
feels terribly inauthentic. I can be okay with a moment,
but not think it's a movement. Right, there's a lot
of moments I support. They don't need to be movements,
and I think it's just inauthentic. To try to make
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this a package deal would be saying, hey, both or
what another team wanted. And I think lebron at this
point has a very limited market. I don't think Brony
has one at all.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
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Speaker 1 (14:55):
Six Super Bowl rings. Fourteen years offensive coordinator, four years
as a head coach. What a pleasure to have Josh
McDaniel's back. There's so many things today I want to
touch on. I said this as that for years I
was sort of like, the cake is the quarterback, left tackle,
the run game, the D line, the O line. Receivers
are the icing. They make it fun, yep, but they're
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not essential. And then the rule changes and then they
became more essential. But I'm looking at the resurgence of
running backs Baltimore, Green Bay, Detroit, Washington power teams. It's
a cyclical league, and in the last year and a
half something has happened where teams now are moving back
to the run game.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Why Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I think in many regards it's the defense's response to
those elite players on the outside. And when there's more
safeties in the deep part of the field and less
people down near the line of scrimmage, there's just less
things you can do to get those guys the ball,
and so the guy that's standing by the quarterback are
behind the cour quarterback becomes more valuable because honestly, that's
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the right thing to do. When there's a light box
or a fair fight inside, you give those guys the ball.
And you can see there's a lot of great running
backs in this league, right you know, I don't think
they should be devalued, but you know, based on how
defenses are defending, you know, teams and offenses, I think
they've become more valuable as we're seeing right now.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Historically, receivers have been noisier and more verbal. I've always
said they're kind of the pro basketball players of football.
They break the huddle first, it's one on one. They're
often the biggest, longest athlete. They want the ball and
I get it, yep. But like in Philadelphia, now, now
we got an issue. We're red hot, we're clearly off
the by Josh, we're gonna throw less, we're gonna run more.
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The centerpieces, saque it's working. How would you quiet the
locker room? They are increasing stories brandon ingram Jalen. You know,
Dak and Dez had an issue in Dallas. I thought
made the right decision. They moved as out. AJ Brown's
really good. How do you quiet the noise in season?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, I think you.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Look, you have to tell them and show them. Honestly,
showing them is more important than telling them that you're
interested in getting them the ball. And the only reason
you want them to have the ball is because they're
they're going to help your team win more than any
other player at that position. And there's certain guys like
AJ Brown and we just saw one game on Monday
night with Jamar and CD and you know, the Justin
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Jefferson's in the world and these guys that are they're
elite players.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
They deserve to have the ball.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
As an offensive coordinator and the quarterback, you want to
get them the ball. But there's also a lot of
attention being paid to those guys. So look, I think
there's there's a balance there, you know, between forcing it
to them too much, where you know they're trying to
take them out of the game and now you're you're
just punting a lot, you know, and throwing a lot
of incomplete passes and not getting them the ball at all.
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And so I think you just try to find the balance,
you know, keep them keep them involved early in the game.
I think that's important is to get them involved right way,
just so they touched the football. They're in the flow
of the game. And then the design of the offense.
When you are throwing the ball, you know, it should
go through those guys.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
It just should.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
So there are decisions. Russell Wilson is I would say
there's a resurgence, but he was seen as a declining
player in Denver. Kirk Cousins appears to be declining fast.
Brady was remarkably able to stay at a high level,
and his decline was very, very hard to see. If
you're I mean, you're like a master at this. This
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may not something that you would talk publicly about, but
what would be the first thing you would see with
a quarterback and think whisper to Bill or whisper to
a coach. He doesn't have blank anymore, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I think.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
And we didn't see it with Tommy, Yeah, you know,
and and he's rare as you know, I mean very
want the rare. Yeah, you know, to me, if if
you start to feel like they don't want the hits,
you know, and the balls kind of coming out maybe
earlier than it should. Yeah, beat early because they just
know what's about to come, you know, and hit them
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in the in the chest or in the shoulder or
you know. Those those start to accumulate over time and
they start to hurt more.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
And we were talking about it, you.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Know the the NASCAR drivers that get a little older
that all of a sudden they start to fall down
the leader board and they're still driving for the same organization.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
They're still doing the same thing.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Four kids.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yes, right, there's a little bit more to drive for
or play for.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Right.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
And I don't even know that anybody makes those decisions consciously.
I think it's almost a subconscious decision that your body
makes for you that you know it may not want
to go through this anymore.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, if you were in Chicago, so it structurally as
an organization on tilt. Give me the first thing. I'm
Caleb Williams. You walk into the room. What is the
first thing you do? Because he was struggling, ascending, plateaued dropping.
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What's the first order of business to a talented young
quarterback to get him right?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
You're talking about right now.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Caleb Williams today walked in today today. How do you
get it back?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
What do you feel most comfortable doing? You know, I
to ask you, yeah, what do you feel most comfortable doing?
Because the offense isn't going to be very good doing
things that I like if you don't like them, right,
you know, And so I think the biggest thing you
have to do is what's in his bucket that he
feels really good about. And and you start with that
and honestly major in that. And then if if you say, hey,
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I think there's a few things that would help us
as a team if we could add these to your bucket,
you know, and then at that point, you know, you've
got to have the conversation.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And I think he deserves to know why you want
to do that.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
I think if we do this, that helps us get
the ball down the field more. We can get this
guy the ball if we do some you know, some
of this. But I think, to me, it has to
start with where he's comfortable. And look, these rookie quarterbacks,
as we've seen, there's been flashes of great play from
all of.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Them, and all of them have had bad days, that's right.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
And they all and some of them have hit like
a little bit of a lull or a wall if
you will, and then you kind of got to get
get them back. And so I think to me, it
starts with what do you feel most comfortable doing on
a play to play basis, Let's do more of that,
let's major in that, and then see where we go
from there.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
So, in any industry, if something's viewed as a high
stress job, and there's a lot it could be a
fighter pilot, could be an astronaut, the company usually gives
you longer time to recover, right, And so let's not
perfectly analogous to football, but when you're the Chiefs and
every game, yep, they one score, one possession game, is
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it possible that it does wear on you over the
course of a season that you need some layups in
this league and they don't get any layups.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Yeah, it can if you're focused on just the result.
I think if you're focusing on the process, and and
that team knows on Monday when they watch the film
that they're playing pretty good football. And right now, based
on all of our injuries and the in the situation,
the circumstances that we have, this is this is the
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best we're going to do right now, you know what
I mean? Not saying that we can't improve. But look,
you know the days of thinking you're going to go
in there and score forty every time, that's not right. Now,
that's not this team. You know now when they had
Hollywood and Rashi and you know, they were healthier and
they lost Pachiko for a while, and I mean, look,
they've had to deal with a lot of things this
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year for three years, yeah, they really have. And they've
played more games than everybody else.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yes, too, So there look.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
That happens that happened to us in New England, where
you just there's a there's an attrition that takes over
when you're the team that's playing the final game of
the season. So I think, to me, I think they'll
do a great Andes does a phenomenal job always, but
he'll keep it in perspective. You know, there's value in
winning close games. They're going to have to win them
in Jane in that fashion, and so I think his
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team is mentally and physically tough, and.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
For that, I think there's a lot of positive.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Finally, we've seen Jordan Love of Green Bay and Jalen Hurts,
both staffs have said we want you to throw less.
So Jordan loves getting in the twenty two to twenty
three attempts. In fact, anytime he's thrown over like thirty
thirty five their own three. And by the way it
works and they have great running back Ye Philadelphia, Jalen
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at thirty four, we get loose at twenty four. We're great.
When you had Tom And even though Tom is the
most efficient and productive quarterback ever, was there a number
you looked at and you would be in game thinking
this isn't what I want. We're going too many innings
here because Tom was obsessed to begin with. You know,
like Tommy would just throw at fifty if you let him.
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Did you go into games or over the course of
a season, okay, now we're in November. Did you have
a number as.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
A court depended on who we were playing?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
You know if you go into the game and.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
You say, listen, throwing the ball against Dwight Freeny in
mathis in that pass rush? You know, fifty two times
is not a good idea. We need to run the ball,
you know, twenty eight thirty thirty two times for us
to feel better about controlling the game.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
That's different.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
There were times where we played you know, the Baltimore Ravens,
and we went into the game saying we're definitely throwing
at fifty five or more times. And I think the
decision during the week and the comfort you get with it,
and you tell the team this is how we're going
to try to Yeah, well he would, yeah, he would
tell me that.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
You know, like I don't think we're going to make
many yards running the ball.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
This week, you know, And you say, okay, you know,
well how many is too many?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You know, seven?
Speaker 5 (24:42):
You know, so you just you just say, all right,
we're going to put all our eggs in this basket.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
You might design the offensive game plan a little differently,
you know, maybe a couple less down the field throws
and more screens or something else that are extensions of
the running game.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
But that stopped the rush from becoming a big factor.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
But I think what these teams are after is complimentary football, right,
don't turn it over. Score score points when we get
our opportunities, give the ball to the back as much
as we can create some big plays off the at
and play action and then play good defense.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Get a lead. Run games are great with the lead,
not just trailing. That's right, great with the lead.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
That's right. Love having you on, man, I love being here.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
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Speaker 1 (25:23):
So there's a story out there. I find this interesting.
The Russell Wilson contract. So j Maak Russell Wilson has
earned in his thirteen year career. This is amazing. Three
hundred and four million dollars. That is a lot. And
so Russell right now is one of the best bargains
in football. But not for Denver. They're still paying him.
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He's a bargain for Pittsburgh. Okay, he's not playing for free,
so Denver's paying him, not Pittsburgh. Now, Russell wants a
new contract, and I would give him one. But here's
the thing. Russell is an aging, slightly declining player from
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three years ago. That's indisputable. Pittsburgh has no reason to hurry.
There's not a huge market for him. And the other
key is, let's see the next three to four weeks.
The schedule for Pittsburgh is the Ultimate Truth Serum at Philly,
at Baltimore, Kansas City, and then high scoring Cincinnati. They
go two and two, zho and four. Maybe he's not
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the answer. So to me, you sign stars early, don't
screw around with top talent. But if somebody's a great fit,
then you can wait. Okay, And I think Russell Wilson
is more great fit than he is currently great player.
It's not a criticism. He is absolutely an upgrade at
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a position of need. And secondly, he's not spectacular, nor
is he in his prime. And so again, Josh Allen,
Lamar Herbert, sign him early, don't waste your time, don't
even go to the last year of the deal. Just
get it done early. That's not Russell. And part of
Russell's appeal, and this may sound harsh, but two of
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his wins are against Cleveland, and part of his appeal
is he's better than we thought. We came in the
Russell Wilson Steeter thing very low expectations and truck stop
food is amazing when you're starving. And he is now solved.
Let's be honest, this offense for five or six years
was awful and it's no longer awful. It's not high
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electric dynamic. Wow, it's not Buffalo, you know, it doesn't
look like Detroit or Philadelphia. It's not those teams or
the Rams against the Bills. It's not that, but when
you're starving, you know, it's amazing what tastes great. And
I think Russell also has to come to terms with
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he's getting paid great now for a team he doesn't
even have to play for. So to me, Pittsburgh is
a great fit. Now. Superstars work anywhere. Russell doesn't work anywhere.
He didn't work in Denver and he wasn't getting the
Seahawks to the playoffs. So to me, if I'm Russell,
he didn't take a player friendly deal in Seattle, nor
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did he take one in Denver. This is probably a
time for Russell Wilson to go. You know what coach,
they draft, well they develop. I got a star, semi
star back, a star receiver. This to me is that
you know, I've made a lot of dough. Do you
want to go to Aaron Rodgers and make more money
and go to the Jets, or do you want to
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really be with a great, well capitalized business with a
history of winning. Again, when you're a superstar, it's different
when you're good and you're a great fit. That's when
I think money can't drive the decision. Mahomes let money
drive a lot of it,