February 12, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin looks forward to Luka Doncic's second game as a Laker and can't believe this franchise found a way to land another young superstar. He outlines the issues the Chiefs have on offense as they look to return to Super Bowl contention and Travis Kelce considering retirement. Plus, Fox Sports NFL analyst Mark Sanchez joins the show in studio to breakdown how special Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts was in the Super Bowl win over the Chiefs
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh welcome man, it is a Wednesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
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Greg Cosel is going to join us in one hour
to wrap up the Super Bowl and talk about a
couple of other things. Free agency is going to be
a few weeks away. Jmac. The Lakers play again tonight
(00:48):
now in Salt Lake. Luca Lebron heading to the Great
Salt Lake. I was talking to a friend last night
who went to the Luca debut at Crypto, and this
is a person that has lived in various parts of
the country, gone to a lot of big events, and
(01:08):
he said it was the greatest basketball moment he'd been
at since Kobe's last game as a Laker. Wow, he said,
it's just hard to explain the buzz everybody's standing. He
doesn't matter if you were an influencer, if you were
forty five years old. He said, there was just butterflies
and anticipation. And I was thinking about this with the Lakers,
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are they the smartest or the luckiest team in the
history of American sports? They have feasted on others' mistakes.
Let's go back to Kobe Bryant, the closest thing we've
ever seen to MJ. They got Kobe Bryant the thirteenth
pick in the draft for vlade divots, who smoked after games,
who wasn't at the time, an All star, who like
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many Europeans at the time, was finesse, more of a
passer than a scorer. Kobe got five rings two mbps
in the finals. Another iconic Jerry West, worked him out
at the Inglewood YMCA. They put Michael Cooper on him.
This is how good Kobe was out of high school.
They put one of the great defenders of all time,
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Michael Cooper, guarded him in an Inglewood YMCA. Jerry West
called it the greatest forty five minute workout he'd ever seen.
They got him for a guy that smoked after games.
They got pow Gasol from Memphis. What did they give up?
A bunch of stuff, including Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittinton, and
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lower first round picks for pow Gasol, who with Kobe
would win two more titles and one of Kobe's great
teammates ever. They got Anthony Davis. He think, well, they
had to give up quite a haul for Anthony Davis. Well,
Lonzo Ball had already shown a prone injury career. He
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got hurt already. They gave up again lower first round
picks because Ad and Lebron together we're going to be
a top team in the league. Josh Hart's a good
B player. I like him, and Brandon Ingram scores a lot,
but there's not much there beyond He makes a lot
of money and scores a lot, but he's not a
guy that's going to carry you anywhere. And then they
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get Luca for a six pack of diet coke and
Ad at thirty one. I mean, if the Lakers call
about your superstar, hang the phone up. They stole Kobe,
They pretty much stole pau Gasol. I mean they had
to give up some picks at the end of the
first round for ad but Luca for one first round pick,
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one first round pick, and Anthony Davis, who I like
a lot but is now hurt and probably out for
six to eight weeks. It's really remarkable what they've done.
You know, maybe this is just the way business works,
that the better teams and the bigger brands manipulate the
bad gms and the bad CEOs and the bad brands.
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But it's remarkable. You'll watch tonight. Utah's not a great team,
but Luca's going to start here, probably in about five
or six games, once he gets back into shape here
because he was off since Christmas, he'll start dropping thirty.
Lebron's playing the best he's played in inarguably a decade.
Austin Reeves now is a not necessary but a very
good three to four. They kept Dalton connect I don't know.
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I mean to me, they are a rim protector away
from being a championship team. Rachel Nichols on the show
yesterday talking about this deal again.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
There wasn't a feeling prior to this trade that the
Lakers were headed to the Western Conference finals, and now
you can make that case.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I think there's a lane there.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I still wouldn't call them the favorite in the West,
but I definitely think it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And just that.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Idea that if they wanted to, the Lakers could play
either Luca or Lebron for forty eight straight minutes often
both of them is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, it's more than that. Lakers Lebron Luca again, Game
two together, this time in Salt Lake. So, you know,
super Bowls always resonate. One thing we do know in
the last decade, if you lose a Super Bowl, no
matter how good your quarterback is, there's only one exception,
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and that was the Patriots. Once that you go back
and you crush again. Everybody pulls back if they lose
a Super Bowl. They get to the Super Bowl, they lose,
they don't get back. It's just the way it is.
And Travis Kelcey was on his podcast with his brother,
and you know, he kind of disappeared last couple of games.
He has been their number one target last three four
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years or longer, and he's just a very important person.
He blocks, he's tough, the physicality, the temperament. But it
may be time to quit retire.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I know everybody wants to know whether or out I'm
playing next year. And right now, I'm just kicking everything
down the road. I'm kicking every can I can down
the road, and I'm not making any crazy decisions. The
fact that we keep going to these AFC Championships and
these Super Bowls, and that means I'm playing an extra
three games more than everybody else in the in the
entire league. And that's a lot of wear and tear
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on your body, and it's a lot of time spent
in the building.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, we've said this about Lebron. Lebron's played over three
full seasons of just playoff games. You start looking at
Travis Kelcey in the last seven years, he's played another
season of NFL football for playoff games. And we ask
our tight ends the block often the best athlete on
the other side of the field. So let's be honest
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about Kansas City's offense. Remember when Tom Brady got to
the end of New England and there was that piece
of video him screaming it. It was a maybe I've
been a Thursday night game or a Sunday night game.
He's screaming at his wide receivers. Somebody get open. But
New England was unable because they were paying other players,
including Brady, and they didn't draft wide receivers well. So
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if you really are honest about Kansas City, in the
last three years, they've kind of been patchwork on offense.
I mean, all five Super Bowl trips, they've had five
different left tackles. They've never had a great left tackle.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Patchwork.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
The wide receivers in the last three Super Bowls, Richie James, McCole, Hardman,
Sky Moore, Kadarius Tony, Marquis Valden, Scandling here kind of
bounce around the NFL guys, that's all they are. They
don't have a ton of stability at running back. I mean,
we're doing Kareem Hunt again. Isaiah Pacheco is a great story?
Is he a great player? Clyde Edwards Hilaire was a bust.
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There are warning signs here now. Some of it is
Mahomes is super expensive, Travis Kelcey super expensive, Chris Jones
super expensive. They have a very good GM and they
draft well. But if you remember in the end Tom
Brady in New England, Tom Brady was sort of holding
that offense up with duct tape. And after I'm watching
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that game against Philadelphia and the game against Houston. It's
only Buffalo. They always score thirty five points or more.
You start looking Buffalo's defense. The top corner was out.
We don't consider it an elite defense. We don't we
consider the offense with Josh Allen and James Cook and Kincaid.
That's the part of the Bills that is elite. You
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just start looking at this team when they played good
defenses like Houston and Philadelphia. They got a bunch of
b dudes. It's the Brady Patriots at the end. You're
just holding it together. It's patchwork guys everywhere. And again,
I'll go to the Super Bowl runner up. Since twenty
fourteen Patriots won the Super Bowl, You've got four different
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teams missed the playoffs. You've got teams losing wild card
and divisional round stuff. So I think it's pretty clear.
And when you draft thirty first in a very very
weak draft, where draft people who I lean on say
there are twelve, maybe thirteen max elite first round players,
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Kansas City's getting none of them. And they need one
at left tackle, they need another one at tight end,
they need another one at running back. And by the way,
they need another interior offensive lineman. They gotta spend some
time in Capitol on that offensive line that got pushed
around for four hours against Philadelphia. So my take on
Travis Kelsey has been this is the perfect time for
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a clean break. He's got tons of money, lots of options,
and I think one of the mistakes basketball football teams
do is they cling to the end. You could say, well,
what about Lebron. Lebron still elite. Lebron's still top seven
player in the league. There are knights, he's a top
pre player in the league. There's knights that he's the
best player in the NBA still depending on the schedule.
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So to me, this feels like it's time for a
clean break. He's expensive, he's a tight end. This is
a good tight end draft. If they were gonna move
up and be aggressive outside of left tackle, it'd be
for tight end. But J Mack, when you lose those
Super Bowls and you lose the way they did, it
is interesting. It does change your opinion on stuff. Now,
(10:04):
you called it, you said it was gonna be a
D line rolling over Kansas City. I did not. But
it's funny two or three days later, you know it
sounds like, oh, it's kind of a recency bias. But
when you lose like that, it does change your opinion
on a lot of things.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
You know, There's a clip of Travis kelce you right
right around the forty eight yard line near midfield and
he runs a little bit of the pass pattern and
then just sits at the forty eight yard line because
he saw a flag like does not engage in the
rest of the play, and Chiefs fans are kind of
ticked off online. Patrick mahonmes is scrambling for his life
and Travis Kelcey's literally just standing there. And Colin, I
(10:41):
know this isn't right to say, but do you think
the Chiefs quit a little bit in the Super Bowl
when they were down twenty four to nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Oh the body language wasn't good. They started making really
dumb mistakes lining up off sides. Yeah, I think. You know,
this is something else that the pressure of being umber one.
I remember listening to a baseball general manager fifteen years
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ago and he said, what you don't realize He was
talking about the Yankees. This was like fifteen when I
lived on the East Coast. He said, what people don't
realize about the Yankees because they're good every year in
the playoffs. Every year, you are taxing your bullpen, you're
taxing your starters. It's an unnatural act to throw a
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ball ninety five miles an hour. He goes, these pitchers
go into spring and you got to ramp it up again.
He's like, we're playing twenty five more games than everybody else,
and they're intense, national TV, high leverage situations. Now in football,
you don't have an unnatural act. But you have to
remember when you're going to Super Bowls year after year
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after year like the Patriots are doing, it, beats up
on your team. That's a tight end over the course
of six years being tackled another one hundred times.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Okay, hold on Colin. Remember they didn't play their starters weekend.
Then they had to buy It was like three weeks
for Travis Kelcey and he had a good game against
the Texans, but then played that had to play the
next week, did nothing against the Bills, got the bye
week before the Super Bowl, and did nothing in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
It looked like all the energy they had. You know,
we always think Buffalo never beats Kansas City. They actually
did two weeks earlier is that all the Chiefs energy
went to beat Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
They played a great game, they emptied the tank and
they had nothing left.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
So let me ask Cooper Cup and the Rams are
gonna be parting ways.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Cooper Cup, you know, injuries.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Wear and tear not really delivery expensive. The Chiefs go
that route with Travis kelce If you're if you're moving
off Kelsey, you're saving money. Why would you bring in
an older injury. I don't mean bring in Cooper Cup.
I just meant the way the Rams are moving off
of him. Do the Chiefs say, hey, Travis, thank you
for your service. Oh yeah, but that's it's a rap.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I think it is a rap. And that's okay. I
think it's a rap. This is not the NBA where
players control all those personnel decisions. I think it's a wrap.
By the way, it's it's folks, We've all got eyes,
we're all watching it. We're watching what's happening. It's the
reality with Travis is it's been a remarkable career. But
tight ends don't last forever. They're not quarterbacks, they're not kickers.
(13:19):
This stuff ends quickly. I mean, Travis Kelcey last year
acknowledged he'd had ten surgeries.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Yeah, so they could look a lot different next year
with no Travis Kelce.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Holy.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So I saw something yesterday that is I don't understand.
I got an Aaron Rodgers story, I got a Kevin
Durant story. But man, I saw a quote yesterday. Do
we all understand what is happening to the biggest brand
in America? And we'll talk about that next.
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Greg Co top of our Number two. I was thinking
about something the other day. You get into these moments,
it never feels like what I'm about to say is true.
Is half the biggest brands in sports are hitting. Half
the biggest brands in America are hitting, and then half
are reeling or rebuilding or remodeling or rebooting. And I
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was just thinking about the biggest brands in sports, and
let's just take a second to think about so like,
if you go to Major League Baseball, you know the
biggest brands Yankees and Dodgers. So I mean the Yankees
just bringing in Paul Goldschmith, Cody Bellinger, Max Freed. They
just got to a World Series for the first since
two thousand and nine. They didn't get Soto, but they
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upgraded their pitching Dodgers. Meanwhile, I just I was looking
at Jim Bowden article this morning. He thinks the Dodgers
are the most improved team in the league and they
just won a World Series. They have added all throughout
their pitching staff. So the two biggest brands, the Yankees
and the Dodgers, are humming in Major leig baseball. Let's
go to the NBA. The Luca trade is an unbelievable
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reboot for the Lakers, and the Celtics are the best
team in basketball. Go ass the Knicks that have been
run over steamrolled by him twice this year. But I
would also put the Knicks as the third biggest brand.
Forbes says it's the most valuable and this is the
best Knicks team since nineteen ninety seven. And I like
the team. I don't think they can beat Boston. I
think they can beat everybody else in the league. So
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Boston Lakers, Knicks very very strong. Let's go to college football,
very popular. Sport Ohio State just won to Natty, Michigan
won the year before. Notre Dame in Texas are exceptional
to me. Those are the four biggest brands in college football.
BAM is big in the South, not as big nationally.
It's Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame in Texas. They are
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all hummon. Michigan pulled back last year, landed the number
one quarterback in the country. They'll be good again and
this year I think are they hosting Ohio State this
year instead of going on the road. I don't know,
but they'll be very, very good. Let's go to college basketball.
Last fifteen years Yukon and Duke. Duke's got the number
one player Yukon back to back titles. I mean, even
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non sports, if you look at stock prices, the three
biggest brands to be in the in the nation, you
can argue just the biggest brands in the country, Apple, Amazon,
Coca Cola up year over year and those are about
as big a brands as you have in America Coke, Apple,
and Amazon. I mean, the only thing that's appears to
be missing. Let me think about this. Oh, the Dallas
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Cowboys are awful. They are the only big, huge, massive
brand in America. That is awful. And they just had
they just hired a coach and they dumped it on
a Friday news dump And Dak Prescott said this yesterday
at UH what do they say? The best problem, best
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way to correct a problem is to acknowledge you have
a problem. So Stephen Jones about a month ago said drought.
Remember he put it in quotes, drought like we're having
at spend twenty nine years. It's a drought. Jerry Jones
said over the weekend, Hey, we could have been here,
and Dak Prescott talking about the Eagles and the Super
Bowl going forward.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
I'm not so like we compete with the Eagles and
beat them for the most part, and that we've played them.
I don't want to say check the record when that
the guy's holding the trophy right now, so they're credit
to them.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
They've hearnd and they deserved it by all means. But yeah,
very close.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, not quite acknowledging the issue. We think we can
stack up with Philadelphia. You've got two guys who could
play Ceedee Lamb and Micah. I'm not sure anybody else
gets on the field. And I'm dead serious. Zach Martin maybe,
but I'm not sure. The Cowboys have two starters, two
that start for Philadelphia and Phillies players. Many of the
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best ones are like rookies in the second year guys.
They're getting better. So I was thinking about this for
the record. It also shows you how powerful the NFL is.
They just got one hundred and twenty seven million people
to watch the Game of record, and Dallas is in
the toilet. But I told the staff this morning, if
you just went to the NFC, forget the Ravens, forget Harbor,
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the Chargers, forget the Chiefs, forget Buffalo, forget those teams Houston.
Let's just go to the NFC. If you told me
next year the top ten teams in the NFC, I
don't have Dallas in. I think Philadelphia easily the best roster,
Detroit second best roster, Aiden Hutchinson coming back. Rams aren't
missing on draft picks of Stafford's days. They Green Bay
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and Washington with Jayden Daniels are a handful. The Niners
will figure it out when Christian McCaffrey gets healthy. I
don't think they're a top three or four team, but
they'll get better. Minnesota and Seattle have too many good players,
and I think I think Baker's better than Dak. I'll
put them nine, and I do think Ben Johnson in
Chicago's roster will make noise. I don't know if their
playoff team. Dallas is not in the same class as Philadelphia,
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and from what I've seen with Jaden Daniels, they're not
close to Washington. So if Shador Sanders landed with the Giants,
I'm not so sure Dallas isn't a fourth place team.
So yesterday, as sort of a joke, I said the
dynasty was dead. In Kansas City, I had a little tombstone.
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Let's be honest, we have a real tombstone. Go ahead,
we can show the real tombstone. It's over. It's the
last brand in American sports, I mean huge brand that
is in the toilet. And it's not close Dak's second surgery.
DAK is going to be the biggest salary cap hit
in league history next year unless Jerry, who from what
(19:36):
we can tell, is tapped, figures out a way to
pay some of it early.
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Speaker 1 (20:44):
Mark Sanchez, Fox Sports what a gift for us all
year calling NFL games all year on Fox Now. But well,
we're gonna go to a break eventually and get to
the Jalen Hurt stuff. But here I'm thinking about this
because I know you're gonna be on today. So listen.
This happens all the time. You go into a game
as a quarterback and you're like, well, protections not ideal, Okay,
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you're bringing a second tight end, get roll stuff out.
And it was very obvious by the second series. Wow,
we're getting beat on the O line man, the man
in the in the games in your life where you
felt your on line was outclassed. Do you have a
lot of options or do you just come to terms
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very early I'm gonna get hit today. Yeah, I mean
is what are you thinking emotionally as a quarterback? Because
Patrick pretty early realized this is gonna be one two.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Trouble and he had to move quite a bit even
when he hit his back foot on number one. There's
guys in his lap, there's guys affecting his vision, his
stance in the pocket. He's getting hit all the time.
You see the pick right here to Bond, People like, wow,
what a bad throat, well, he gets hit literally when
he gets rid of the ball, and as soon as
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he hit his back foot, he was under duress. And
you got a credit Clint Hurt and this defensive line,
their defensive line coach, and those players up front, they
pushed the interior of the pocket. The ends just went off,
I mean sweat those guys rushing off the edd. It
was incredible. And when we talk about guys rushing rush
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lane integrity, not chasing the cheese and going for the sack,
the sacks happen when you rush together, when you keep
your rush lanes, you know true. And they were in
lockstep together upfront, and you could say that about them
this last really half of the season. And you know
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when you have Tony's an all pro left guard. He's
not a tackle. That's you know, he won two championships
with the Patriots, he's won two Super Bowls with the
chief Like, he's an excellent player, but he's out of position.
That's a really tough job, especially when those two big
guys Davis and Carter are getting pressure on the interior
where they're normally solid, so he doesn't have anywhere to
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step up to. They're coming over the walls on the edge.
I mean, it's it's a lose, lose and very uncharacteristic
of the Chiefs. They you know, their first three third
downs before it got to third and nine plus for
the rest of the game, their first three third downs
were third and three. I believe incomplete, incomplete interception. WHOA
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what sequence is that? That doesn't that doesn't equate to
the Chiefs. So, yeah, they had a rough night. It
was a really rough night for him. But credit to
the Eagles because they exploited him. Yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
When you watch the game, I just said this.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Philadelphia is a very aggressive franchise. And I said, I
think I'd said this with you. They do things that
often bad franchises do. They replace winning coaches, they move
off good quarterbacks. But it works for them and Siriani
his methodologies. For a lot of towns, you'd be like, dude,
you're yelling with the fans. Philadelphia is a very unique
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the really important players like Saquon and Jalen Hurts. They're mature,
they're understated. It's a fact. We talked about this last time.
It's a fascinating organization that you have unique insight to.
It is a combustible, intense, loud and as I watch them,
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I wonder if teams around the league watch them and
think we're not aggressive enough.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Sure, well, you got to credit Howie Roseman and some
of these draft picks, the guys that have fallen in
the draft and landed in their lap, whether it's Nikobe,
Dean or Carter or whatever, for whatever reasons, they end
up on this team. And Howie Roseman isn't afraid to
go sign aj Brown, He wasn't afraid to go sign
al Seon Jeffries. Sometimes I'm like, how does he even
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get the how do they come available? Like who's taking
that phone call? But Howie Roseman, I mean, that guy's
working his tailoff and it's you know, every other year
they have one of the best rosters in the league
and it's been impressive. But you look at the coordinators
he's hired.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
You know they've hit, they've missed, but they go right back, they.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Get right back at it, and they keep the same
core nucleus of guys with a couple of veterans, whether
it's a Brandon Graham Darius Slay on defense, that kind
of keep the the emotions in check. They're they're your
locker room leaders. Yes. And when you talked about this
being like a combustible kind of environment, like it matches
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the identity of the city, it completely matches. Yeah, where
they play their fan base. It's very filly and it's
it's exciting to watch. Just think about the two coordinators
who got this team going right. They're two and two
to start the year right, and you know you see
the videos after the game of Philadelphia just like exploding,
there's fires everywhere and people going nuts. Well, it was
(25:56):
ready to be like that during their bye week week five,
people were ready to fire. Everybody sucks. You know how
he can't put a team together. It's like, dude, you
guys have just been in the super Bowl, Like, relax, Okay,
we're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Well, they change up some stuff on defense. They played
a lot more single high. They insert Cooper dejen They
have two rookies playing in the secondary. Quinna Mitchell is
not supposed to start the year, starts the year because
Bradbury gets hurt and they get incredible production from two
rookies in the secondary. So that in itself tells me
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vic Fanjo's got these guys dialed and he coached them hard.
But look at their last two games, the most important
games of their season, the Championship Game and the Super Bowl.
The defense generated seven turnovers. The offense scored ninety five points.
You can't beat that. You cannot beat that. You talk
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about running into a buzzsaw, and you talk about everybody's saying, oh,
complimentary football, complimentary foot That is complimentary football. Jalen hurts
through a really bad interception in the game. Did it
last year against San Francisco? The defense got his back. Yeah,
the defense just erased it. And that is complimentary football.
Give the ball back to the offense, and god forbid
the offense gives it away. We got your back. Let's
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not make a habit of it, but we got your
back and it was impressive.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I want let me ask you the Travis Kelcey.
He had a bite earlier we played on the show
on his podcast where he's like, listen, man, I've been
playing three extra games for several years, and like Lebron,
that's Lebron's played three years in the playoffs. His playoff
games equal a season of playing That's right, It's insane.
Those are intense and so I'll get Travis Kelcey, and
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you play a position where you're blocking often the best
athlete and the other team, and all these three games,
three games, three games, when could and forget the production part.
When did you know, physically and emotionally for you, man,
I don't want to go to camp. And I asked
that respectfully because first of all, season ends, give yourself
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three weeks off with whoever. But was there an epiphany
for you driving around something and thinking I don't want.
Speaker 10 (28:06):
To do this?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Well, the last couple of years, you know, you have
this epiphany when you realize the warm up and cool
down for practice almost takes longer than practice. You know,
the warm up takes longer than the workout. You're like, dang, okay,
well let's see how many more we can squeeze out
of this thing. And you know, like Draymond Green's, hey,
you got to ride it till the wheels fall off
because at some point you're gonna be older and wishing
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you could still play. So I think you still got
another year in him. I think they'll take a little
bit off of his plate, especially when it comes to blocking.
I think they need a true blocking tight end because
Haim and Noah Gray are similar skill set. Yeah, so
I think that would help him. But I mean, Kansas
City's not going anywhere. You got fifteen at quarterback. He
laid an egg and one super Okay, fine, Like I'm
(28:49):
fine with that. Like whatever. You know, Lebron's lost six
champions or something like, We're okay, They're gonna be just fine.
They'll retool. I think Kelsey's got got one more season in.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Him the.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
The NFL. Now we have another game, they're probably at
another game. There's much more international travel. Off seasons for US.
It's free agency, it's the draft. You start looking at
Philadelphia's roster, Kansas City, there's some great older players. What
does an off season look like? Win or lose this game?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Is it different? When you I mean, you tell me
what does an off season for Patrick Mahomes look like?
How long do you shut it down?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah? I think, uh, you're never like completely shut down,
but like you're going for a bike ride, you're swimming,
you're doing some other stuff just to stay active. But
I don't think he's just gonna take like two months off.
He can't totally do that. He's probably not gonna start
throwing right away, But you know he's he's gonna take
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a little time, let the emotions settle down, get to
the truth of the game. Where was I good? Where
was I bad?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
What?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
What reads did I miss about? How was my folk footwork?
You know, grade yourself, tell the truth and then move
on and go play again. And he's gonna be once again.
He's gonna be just fine. These Chiefs are gonna be
just fine. It's they ran into an incredible team that
was playing really well as superstars all over the place.
And the guys that needed to fill in some holes
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for him. I mean, you loseing to Kobe Dean and
Orn Burks comes in, yeah, and generates turnovers for your offense,
like for your defense, gives the ball back to the offense.
I mean, the two rookies who had to step in
and play. Avonte Maddox doesn't play as much. Then when
he does get in later in the year in the
Super Bowl, he bats away a crucial third down. I mean,
that's a guy who could have easily tanked right. Cooper
(30:40):
dejen took his spot after the bye week early in
the year and doesn't play as much. I mean, he
could have packed it in, but that's a testament to
their locker room, to Howie Roseman, to the head coach,
to all the guys, getting these guys ready to play,
keeping them a part of it. And you know, that's
how you build a championship roster. You could tell they
were together and once again, Chief slay an egg. They'll
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be back.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
All right, we're gonna come back. You have some film,
some tape on Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
He's an eraser. He's an eraser. He he just does
stuff different than other quarterbacks. He can get away with
the li It's pretty fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
We'll show that and talk about that next in the Herd.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
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Speaker 1 (31:20):
So many of the things Mark Sanchez talks about we
can't talk about yet on the air. That's a bummer,
but you know what it it fortifies us to pursue
what he's talking about and make calls. You're like the whisper,
You're a little nugget. You're the personnel whisperer and we
just have to do it from there. Okay, So Jalen Hurts,
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you know, Greg Cosel came on earlier and he said,
you know, one of the things they asked him to
do and he does really well, is that sideline route. Like,
not all quarterbacks can make all throws, but some quarterbacks
have throws. They're brilliant at the goball. Yeah, yeah, I
mean beautiful, beautiful at it. So let's give it, let's
go to the film room.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I thought he did such an excellent job. And this
is credit to Kellen Moore. I mean, the Saints fans,
that fan base should be excited about what they're getting
in him as a head coach. But he cut the
field in half for Jalen Hurts and let him just
kind of pick a side. Why to make it easier
on the quarterback and to eliminate a lot of the
trash from that defense. You get a ton of exotic
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looks when you play Steve Spagnola. So he wants him
to just be dialed in on a two or three
man concept and keep his eyes there. And when it
wasn't that, when it was essentially a full field read,
we talked about a sprinkler going across the grass. Right,
he just could start on one side and let everything
else come to his vision. So there's like a two
man combination, and everything else is chasing that two man combination.
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And it's a pure progression type idea. When you play
exotic defenses, you're not going to know exactly where they're
at till the ball snapped, and you don't want to
be racing looking, Oh do I pick this side or
that side? No, we're going to start on this side.
Everything else is going to come into your vision. And then, oh,
by the way, this guy can make up for a
lot with his legs. Remember his best throw is the
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go ball. The other best thing he does is you
run with the football. He's their leading rusher for a reason.
So when you watch this third down, it makes a
ton of sense. But he's gonna recognize it's man to man.
McDuffie's gonna travel with Devonte Smith. And when McDuffie was
playing either AJ Brown one on one, they took some
shots up the field and they took their chances and
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AJ Brown won. Well, when they didn't have him on
AJ Brown, they would bracket him and make sure he's
not gonna beat him. We got to take away Saquon
and we got to find a way to double or
you know, get enough pressure so we can't throw it
to aj Brown, So this time they double him and
then they're gonna go one on one with the back.
Bolton a lot of times would cover the back and
keep him in the protection so he doesn't leak out
and give Hurts easy completions. So these two man combos
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I was talking about, you cut the field in half,
start on the right side, high angle corner, and the
out route to god Her It's gonna be Manda Man.
He saw the motion, so he knows is gonna take
a little longer. He gets to the top of his
drop and you're to see there goes the shallow chasing
the two man combination. So that's gonna come right into
his vision. He can keep his eyes to the right,
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but he has such good feel in the pocket knowing
when it's man to man that if he sees a
rush lane, this dude is gone and he gets to
top speed fast. He's already looking away from Goddard before
this ball, before he breaks on his route. Manning, Brady, Breeze,
Golf Stafford, all these guys. That ball goes to Goddard.
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It's a tight window throw. The ball goes to Goddard,
Jalen hurts, he kills you on a third and five
and scrambles for nineteen. I mean, those were some of
his biggest plays in the game, as he just erased
those third downs with his legs. Yeah, and the defense
is like, we're in position, We're forcing him to make
tight window throws and this guy just tucks the ball
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and takes off for nineteen on a third and five.
I mean, get out of here. Like, I wish I
could do that, right, I wish I could do. The
quarterbacks pray for that ability, and this guy has it
in Spain. And so I think that's where he really
elevated his game all year long. And I think Kellen
Moore had him in such a good headspace. Nus Meyer
had him in such a good frame of mind to
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get through those progressions and whenever you want, if you
feel that crease, you feel that lane, dude, do what
you do, go take off. And I mean he really
mastered it in that game. It was it was pretty
fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
It's interesting. So when he had Shane Stike and he
was an MVP, then they went to a coordinator not
as good. He goes back to Kellen Moore. I feel
like Kellen's really cleaned him up. Now that's not a
knock on Stikeen, but all young quarterbacks, you know, this
is a fast game. What's great to me about Jalen
is you get almost no mistakes anymore.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
You're right the one key interception and the defense erase
and it was kind of a well they got pressure
on They had a couple free runners on him early
and he got rid of the ball. That one he
got fooled a little bit on the look at least
it was a home run and just launched it, but
the defense got on the ball right back. It almost
worked out like a punt. They should have got three
points out of it, right. But you know, once again
(36:05):
the complimentary football stuff, letting him just track his guy
across the field, throw the one on one, go balls
up the field, like that's what he does. Well, let's
let's get him to do that. We know they're gonna
try and take away our fastball in Saquon Barkley, and
they did. They They're like one of the only teams
to slow them down. So he was really essentially a
non factor in the run game. But then you gotta
(36:28):
count count for the quarterback run and that's where you
know they went to the change up the curveball. They
have some other pitches there and credit to the Eagles
attack man. That was that was That was incredible.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
When you go back to your playoff runs, you're in
New York, even though you may not win a super Bowl,
you're beating Manning, you're beating Brady. You're a young quarterback.
It could be very distracting. Like Jalen Hurts is gonna
get commercials. He's a good looking guy. Like go back
to your early career. You're in New York, You're beating
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Brady and Foxborough. It may not be a super Bowl,
but man, the world gets big fast. Yeah. I mean seriously,
it's it's it's your good looking guy. The world of
Jalen hurt.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Oh, it's gonna explode eplow and grow exponentially. It's it's
gonna be interesting to watch.
Speaker 10 (37:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
It's just another challenge for him, another hurdle. This you
know he was he they had this revenge kind of
you know, rematch kind of chip on their shoulder and
people counted us out early. Now you're the favorite and
it's you know, uh, overcoming adversity and now it's dealing
with success, and the Chiefs have shown a blueprint on
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kind of how to do that. But for him, now
it's now it's kind of expected. Hey, this is who
you are. You've proven on the biggest stage that you're
gonna play a fish and football. You know you're gonna
use your legs, You're gonna beat these defenses and make
great decisions. Well, okay, this is now your new normal.
The bar has been raised. Let's let's keep seeing it.
(38:02):
And you know it's it's gonna be a great challenge
for him. But he's got a heck of a team
coming back. They got to figure out the OC.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
But you know, his entire group, his manager all women,
That's true, fascinating. He's got a you know his parents
are both educators. I think dad was a football coach.
This is a guy what I really This really jumps
out to me how secure he is in himself. He
(38:27):
could be so bitter. Yeah he could, you could. I
mean he got he got sat during a national championship game.
A lot of doubters, second second round back. I mean
the offense this year, you got you got a J.
Brown reading on the sideline. Hey, the offense runs through sakes,
it's noisy. He's a very secure kid.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
To me, it's he's just so I like watching his
press conferences because he almost speaks in like I don't
know if you've ever seen the Avengers, but he speaks
in like Thanos quotes, like he speaks in these you know,
he gives like great cliche and you know, like and
he's and he's well spoken. You know, he's a real adult.
He seems very mature, and it's it's fun a lot.
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I mean, when you can move the ball like that
and go to your you know, off speed pitch, when
they take away your fastball, that's that's not easy to do,
especially against that team, especially against UH on the biggest
s days in the world.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Let me ask you, there's guy, there's Stafford rumors. I
mean there's a lot of rumors.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Now, let's be honest. We've had in the last four
or five years. Russell moved, Kirk Cousins moved, Stafford moved.
This is becoming the league. Like there's big swings. So
you're let's say you're Aaron Rodgers, you have a very
good career, you win a ring MVP, you go to
New York, little choppy, and then you're think you're sitting
to yourself. Played pretty well, Aaron played pretty darn well.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Almost four thousand yards well, twenty eight touchdowns, eleven picks.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I mean I thought he was last eight weeks. He
was excellent.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
There's twenty five teams in the league that would sign
up for those numbers right now.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I'm not asking you to get in his head. But
you got the money, you have the ring, you've got
the plot it, you got all that stuff. When you
get to the end, what stuff matters.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Oh, it's got to be the right fit. I think
it's for hit. I think it's totally fit. It's got
to match. The puzzle piece has to match. And you know,
somebody's gonna take a fire on him. Somebody's you know,
even if it's after somebody gets hurt in August or
something like.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
You know, Kelly, I don't does that fit?
Speaker 4 (40:26):
I don't know. With Pete and Chip about why not?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
That one's interesting that one doesn't.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
That that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
So do you think the fit, the schematic fit works
in San Francisco? Oh?
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Absolutely, I think so. And they and they have the
structure right. This isn't like a rebuild and a new
offensive coordinator somebody has never done. I mean, this guy's
called thousands and thousands the biggest moments. They have weapons.
But I mean that that's assuming we're moving off of
Rock Party.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So I don't know, no, no, I I'm saying if
Perty's agents had sixty millions, like, Okay, we're gonna go
with Aaron.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
But when you say fit, that's an interesting word. Do
you mean schematic fit?
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I think schematic fit. I think environment fit. I think
supporting cast has to play a huge factor. It can't
all be on the quarterback. Somebody with a run game
would really help him out. But you know, and they
gotta want him as well, Right, It's got to fit
both ways. It's a two way street. And so I
think that's going to be, you know, a hurdle for
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some of these teams figuring out is this the direction
we're going to go, Because just like the Jets did
two years ago, if you bring in a guy like that,
it's we're all in and the expectations increase exponentially. So
that's what I mean by fit.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's interesting. As Aaron's aged,
he's a little less mobile. I could argue that's better
in the Shanahan offense.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Oh, no doubt. I mean he doesn't want he doesn't
want to scrambling. Yeah, like, just execute the play and
when we're in trouble, throw the ball away, fall down,
you know, take the sack. Whatever. But this is what
we're gonna do, and we're going to execute it at
a higher level over a longer period of time and
wear teams down. And that's generally their formula. When it's working,
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it's it's tough to deal with. You got players moving
all over the place, so satellite players that use Check
and Kittle and all these guys, I mean, a great
tight end like that Kittle, I mean Kittle and Roger
Holy smokes, I'd be a heck of a But we're
also saying that they're going to move off Brock and
I don't know if I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Well, you're the one that floated Aaron, and I do
think Aaron high Iq knows the league. He's not going
to move out of plays. Humbled probably a little bit.
I mean whatever, all right, but you did a great
job this year. For now, he's going on vacation, he's
going into the basement. Won't talk about it. I don't
have a problem. Are you going, What do you do
(42:52):
for the next couple of months?
Speaker 4 (42:53):
We got the twins on the way, baby twin girls,
so we're gonna have our hands full. But I'll be
back a couple of times, you know, break down some
of these college keep bees and free agencies. I'll be around.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Keep your eye on Riley Leonard.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
There you go, all right, I'll look him up.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
All right, Well, it's the National Championship game. It's up.
I know you'll be able to find the tape. I
know I'm not asking you for Dayton's backup here. Mark
all right, everybody, thank you so much. Uh Luca and
lebron Tonight, Salt Lake City, Round two,
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh welcome man, it is a Wednesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
Greg Cosel is going to join us in one hour
to wrap up the Super Bowl and talk about a
couple of other things. Free agency is going to be
a few weeks away. Jmac. The Lakers play again tonight
(00:48):
now in Salt Lake. Luca Lebron heading to the Great
Salt Lake. I was talking to a friend last night
who went to the Luca debut at Crypto, and this
is a person that has lived in various parts of
the country, gone to a lot of big events, and
(01:08):
he said it was the greatest basketball moment he'd been
at since Kobe's last game as a Laker. Wow, he said,
it's just hard to explain the buzz everybody's standing. He
doesn't matter if you were an influencer, if you were
forty five years old. He said, there was just butterflies
and anticipation. And I was thinking about this with the Lakers,
(01:30):
are they the smartest or the luckiest team in the
history of American sports? They have feasted on others' mistakes.
Let's go back to Kobe Bryant, the closest thing we've
ever seen to MJ. They got Kobe Bryant the thirteenth
pick in the draft for vlade divots, who smoked after games,
who wasn't at the time, an All star, who like
(01:51):
many Europeans at the time, was finesse, more of a
passer than a scorer. Kobe got five rings two mbps
in the finals. Another iconic Jerry West, worked him out
at the Inglewood YMCA. They put Michael Cooper on him.
This is how good Kobe was out of high school.
They put one of the great defenders of all time,
(02:12):
Michael Cooper, guarded him in an Inglewood YMCA. Jerry West
called it the greatest forty five minute workout he'd ever seen.
They got him for a guy that smoked after games.
They got pow Gasol from Memphis. What did they give up?
A bunch of stuff, including Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittinton, and
(02:37):
lower first round picks for pow Gasol, who with Kobe
would win two more titles and one of Kobe's great
teammates ever. They got Anthony Davis. He think, well, they
had to give up quite a haul for Anthony Davis. Well,
Lonzo Ball had already shown a prone injury career. He
(02:59):
got hurt already. They gave up again lower first round
picks because Ad and Lebron together we're going to be
a top team in the league. Josh Hart's a good
B player. I like him, and Brandon Ingram scores a lot,
but there's not much there beyond He makes a lot
of money and scores a lot, but he's not a
guy that's going to carry you anywhere. And then they
(03:20):
get Luca for a six pack of diet coke and
Ad at thirty one. I mean, if the Lakers call
about your superstar, hang the phone up. They stole Kobe,
They pretty much stole pau Gasol. I mean they had
to give up some picks at the end of the
first round for ad but Luca for one first round pick,
(03:48):
one first round pick, and Anthony Davis, who I like
a lot but is now hurt and probably out for
six to eight weeks. It's really remarkable what they've done.
You know, maybe this is just the way business works,
that the better teams and the bigger brands manipulate the
bad gms and the bad CEOs and the bad brands.
(04:10):
But it's remarkable. You'll watch tonight. Utah's not a great team,
but Luca's going to start here, probably in about five
or six games, once he gets back into shape here
because he was off since Christmas, he'll start dropping thirty.
Lebron's playing the best he's played in inarguably a decade.
Austin Reeves now is a not necessary but a very
good three to four. They kept Dalton connect I don't know.
(04:34):
I mean to me, they are a rim protector away
from being a championship team. Rachel Nichols on the show
yesterday talking about this deal again.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
There wasn't a feeling prior to this trade that the
Lakers were headed to the Western Conference finals, and now
you can make that case.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I think there's a lane there.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I still wouldn't call them the favorite in the West,
but I definitely think it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And just that.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Idea that if they wanted to, the Lakers could play
either Luca or Lebron for forty eight straight minutes often
both of them is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, it's more than that. Lakers Lebron Luca again, Game
two together, this time in Salt Lake. So, you know,
super Bowls always resonate. One thing we do know in
the last decade, if you lose a Super Bowl, no
matter how good your quarterback is, there's only one exception,
(05:27):
and that was the Patriots. Once that you go back
and you crush again. Everybody pulls back if they lose
a Super Bowl. They get to the Super Bowl, they lose,
they don't get back. It's just the way it is.
And Travis Kelcey was on his podcast with his brother,
and you know, he kind of disappeared last couple of games.
He has been their number one target last three four
(05:47):
years or longer, and he's just a very important person.
He blocks, he's tough, the physicality, the temperament. But it
may be time to quit retire.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I know everybody wants to know whether or out I'm
playing next year. And right now, I'm just kicking everything
down the road. I'm kicking every can I can down
the road, and I'm not making any crazy decisions. The
fact that we keep going to these AFC Championships and
these Super Bowls, and that means I'm playing an extra
three games more than everybody else in the in the
entire league. And that's a lot of wear and tear
(06:20):
on your body, and it's a lot of time spent
in the building.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, we've said this about Lebron. Lebron's played over three
full seasons of just playoff games. You start looking at
Travis Kelcey in the last seven years, he's played another
season of NFL football for playoff games. And we ask
our tight ends the block often the best athlete on
the other side of the field. So let's be honest
(06:44):
about Kansas City's offense. Remember when Tom Brady got to
the end of New England and there was that piece
of video him screaming it. It was a maybe I've
been a Thursday night game or a Sunday night game.
He's screaming at his wide receivers. Somebody get open. But
New England was unable because they were paying other players,
including Brady, and they didn't draft wide receivers well. So
(07:05):
if you really are honest about Kansas City, in the
last three years, they've kind of been patchwork on offense.
I mean, all five Super Bowl trips, they've had five
different left tackles. They've never had a great left tackle.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Patchwork.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
The wide receivers in the last three Super Bowls, Richie James, McCole, Hardman,
Sky Moore, Kadarius Tony, Marquis Valden, Scandling here kind of
bounce around the NFL guys, that's all they are. They
don't have a ton of stability at running back. I mean,
we're doing Kareem Hunt again. Isaiah Pacheco is a great story?
Is he a great player? Clyde Edwards Hilaire was a bust.
(07:38):
There are warning signs here now. Some of it is
Mahomes is super expensive, Travis Kelcey super expensive, Chris Jones
super expensive. They have a very good GM and they
draft well. But if you remember in the end Tom
Brady in New England, Tom Brady was sort of holding
that offense up with duct tape. And after I'm watching
(07:58):
that game against Philadelphia and the game against Houston. It's
only Buffalo. They always score thirty five points or more.
You start looking Buffalo's defense. The top corner was out.
We don't consider it an elite defense. We don't we
consider the offense with Josh Allen and James Cook and Kincaid.
That's the part of the Bills that is elite. You
(08:18):
just start looking at this team when they played good
defenses like Houston and Philadelphia. They got a bunch of
b dudes. It's the Brady Patriots at the end. You're
just holding it together. It's patchwork guys everywhere. And again,
I'll go to the Super Bowl runner up. Since twenty
fourteen Patriots won the Super Bowl, You've got four different
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teams missed the playoffs. You've got teams losing wild card
and divisional round stuff. So I think it's pretty clear.
And when you draft thirty first in a very very
weak draft, where draft people who I lean on say
there are twelve, maybe thirteen max elite first round players,
(09:01):
Kansas City's getting none of them. And they need one
at left tackle, they need another one at tight end,
they need another one at running back. And by the way,
they need another interior offensive lineman. They gotta spend some
time in Capitol on that offensive line that got pushed
around for four hours against Philadelphia. So my take on
Travis Kelsey has been this is the perfect time for
(09:22):
a clean break. He's got tons of money, lots of options,
and I think one of the mistakes basketball football teams
do is they cling to the end. You could say, well,
what about Lebron. Lebron still elite. Lebron's still top seven
player in the league. There are knights, he's a top
pre player in the league. There's knights that he's the
best player in the NBA still depending on the schedule.
(09:43):
So to me, this feels like it's time for a
clean break. He's expensive, he's a tight end. This is
a good tight end draft. If they were gonna move
up and be aggressive outside of left tackle, it'd be
for tight end. But J Mack, when you lose those
Super Bowls and you lose the way they did, it
is interesting. It does change your opinion on stuff. Now,
(10:04):
you called it, you said it was gonna be a
D line rolling over Kansas City. I did not. But
it's funny two or three days later, you know it
sounds like, oh, it's kind of a recency bias. But
when you lose like that, it does change your opinion
on a lot of things.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
You know, There's a clip of Travis kelce you right
right around the forty eight yard line near midfield and
he runs a little bit of the pass pattern and
then just sits at the forty eight yard line because
he saw a flag like does not engage in the
rest of the play, and Chiefs fans are kind of
ticked off online. Patrick mahonmes is scrambling for his life
and Travis Kelcey's literally just standing there. And Colin, I
(10:41):
know this isn't right to say, but do you think
the Chiefs quit a little bit in the Super Bowl
when they were down twenty four to nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Oh the body language wasn't good. They started making really
dumb mistakes lining up off sides. Yeah, I think. You know,
this is something else that the pressure of being umber one.
I remember listening to a baseball general manager fifteen years
(11:08):
ago and he said, what you don't realize He was
talking about the Yankees. This was like fifteen when I
lived on the East Coast. He said, what people don't
realize about the Yankees because they're good every year in
the playoffs. Every year, you are taxing your bullpen, you're
taxing your starters. It's an unnatural act to throw a
(11:28):
ball ninety five miles an hour. He goes, these pitchers
go into spring and you got to ramp it up again.
He's like, we're playing twenty five more games than everybody else,
and they're intense, national TV, high leverage situations. Now in football,
you don't have an unnatural act. But you have to
remember when you're going to Super Bowls year after year
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after year like the Patriots are doing, it, beats up
on your team. That's a tight end over the course
of six years being tackled another one hundred times.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
Okay, hold on Colin. Remember they didn't play their starters weekend.
Then they had to buy It was like three weeks
for Travis Kelcey and he had a good game against
the Texans, but then played that had to play the
next week, did nothing against the Bills, got the bye
week before the Super Bowl, and did nothing in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
It looked like all the energy they had. You know,
we always think Buffalo never beats Kansas City. They actually
did two weeks earlier is that all the Chiefs energy
went to beat Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
They played a great game, they emptied the tank and
they had nothing left.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
So let me ask Cooper Cup and the Rams are
gonna be parting ways.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Cooper Cup, you know, injuries.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Wear and tear not really delivery expensive. The Chiefs go
that route with Travis kelce If you're if you're moving
off Kelsey, you're saving money. Why would you bring in
an older injury. I don't mean bring in Cooper Cup.
I just meant the way the Rams are moving off
of him. Do the Chiefs say, hey, Travis, thank you
for your service. Oh yeah, but that's it's a rap.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I think it is a rap. And that's okay. I
think it's a rap. This is not the NBA where
players control all those personnel decisions. I think it's a wrap.
By the way, it's it's folks, We've all got eyes,
we're all watching it. We're watching what's happening. It's the
reality with Travis is it's been a remarkable career. But
tight ends don't last forever. They're not quarterbacks, they're not kickers.
(13:19):
This stuff ends quickly. I mean, Travis Kelcey last year
acknowledged he'd had ten surgeries.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Yeah, so they could look a lot different next year
with no Travis Kelce.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Holy.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So I saw something yesterday that is I don't understand.
I got an Aaron Rodgers story, I got a Kevin
Durant story. But man, I saw a quote yesterday. Do
we all understand what is happening to the biggest brand
in America? And we'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (13:59):
Greg Co top of our Number two. I was thinking
about something the other day. You get into these moments,
it never feels like what I'm about to say is true.
Is half the biggest brands in sports are hitting. Half
the biggest brands in America are hitting, and then half
are reeling or rebuilding or remodeling or rebooting. And I
(14:20):
was just thinking about the biggest brands in sports, and
let's just take a second to think about so like,
if you go to Major League Baseball, you know the
biggest brands Yankees and Dodgers. So I mean the Yankees
just bringing in Paul Goldschmith, Cody Bellinger, Max Freed. They
just got to a World Series for the first since
two thousand and nine. They didn't get Soto, but they
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upgraded their pitching Dodgers. Meanwhile, I just I was looking
at Jim Bowden article this morning. He thinks the Dodgers
are the most improved team in the league and they
just won a World Series. They have added all throughout
their pitching staff. So the two biggest brands, the Yankees
and the Dodgers, are humming in Major leig baseball. Let's
go to the NBA. The Luca trade is an unbelievable
(15:03):
reboot for the Lakers, and the Celtics are the best
team in basketball. Go ass the Knicks that have been
run over steamrolled by him twice this year. But I
would also put the Knicks as the third biggest brand.
Forbes says it's the most valuable and this is the
best Knicks team since nineteen ninety seven. And I like
the team. I don't think they can beat Boston. I
think they can beat everybody else in the league. So
(15:23):
Boston Lakers, Knicks very very strong. Let's go to college football,
very popular. Sport Ohio State just won to Natty, Michigan
won the year before. Notre Dame in Texas are exceptional
to me. Those are the four biggest brands in college football.
BAM is big in the South, not as big nationally.
It's Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame in Texas. They are
(15:44):
all hummon. Michigan pulled back last year, landed the number
one quarterback in the country. They'll be good again and
this year I think are they hosting Ohio State this
year instead of going on the road. I don't know,
but they'll be very, very good. Let's go to college basketball.
Last fifteen years Yukon and Duke. Duke's got the number
one player Yukon back to back titles. I mean, even
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non sports, if you look at stock prices, the three
biggest brands to be in the in the nation, you
can argue just the biggest brands in the country, Apple, Amazon,
Coca Cola up year over year and those are about
as big a brands as you have in America Coke, Apple,
and Amazon. I mean, the only thing that's appears to
be missing. Let me think about this. Oh, the Dallas
(16:28):
Cowboys are awful. They are the only big, huge, massive
brand in America. That is awful. And they just had
they just hired a coach and they dumped it on
a Friday news dump And Dak Prescott said this yesterday
at UH what do they say? The best problem, best
(16:48):
way to correct a problem is to acknowledge you have
a problem. So Stephen Jones about a month ago said drought.
Remember he put it in quotes, drought like we're having
at spend twenty nine years. It's a drought. Jerry Jones
said over the weekend, Hey, we could have been here,
and Dak Prescott talking about the Eagles and the Super
Bowl going forward.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
I'm not so like we compete with the Eagles and
beat them for the most part, and that we've played them.
I don't want to say check the record when that
the guy's holding the trophy right now, so they're credit
to them.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
They've hearnd and they deserved it by all means. But yeah,
very close.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, not quite acknowledging the issue. We think we can
stack up with Philadelphia. You've got two guys who could
play Ceedee Lamb and Micah. I'm not sure anybody else
gets on the field. And I'm dead serious. Zach Martin maybe,
but I'm not sure. The Cowboys have two starters, two
that start for Philadelphia and Phillies players. Many of the
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best ones are like rookies in the second year guys.
They're getting better. So I was thinking about this for
the record. It also shows you how powerful the NFL is.
They just got one hundred and twenty seven million people
to watch the Game of record, and Dallas is in
the toilet. But I told the staff this morning, if
you just went to the NFC, forget the Ravens, forget Harbor,
(18:07):
the Chargers, forget the Chiefs, forget Buffalo, forget those teams Houston.
Let's just go to the NFC. If you told me
next year the top ten teams in the NFC, I
don't have Dallas in. I think Philadelphia easily the best roster,
Detroit second best roster, Aiden Hutchinson coming back. Rams aren't
missing on draft picks of Stafford's days. They Green Bay
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and Washington with Jayden Daniels are a handful. The Niners
will figure it out when Christian McCaffrey gets healthy. I
don't think they're a top three or four team, but
they'll get better. Minnesota and Seattle have too many good players,
and I think I think Baker's better than Dak. I'll
put them nine, and I do think Ben Johnson in
Chicago's roster will make noise. I don't know if their
playoff team. Dallas is not in the same class as Philadelphia,
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and from what I've seen with Jaden Daniels, they're not
close to Washington. So if Shador Sanders landed with the Giants,
I'm not so sure Dallas isn't a fourth place team.
So yesterday, as sort of a joke, I said the
dynasty was dead. In Kansas City, I had a little tombstone.
(19:14):
Let's be honest, we have a real tombstone. Go ahead,
we can show the real tombstone. It's over. It's the
last brand in American sports, I mean huge brand that
is in the toilet. And it's not close Dak's second surgery.
DAK is going to be the biggest salary cap hit
in league history next year unless Jerry, who from what
(19:36):
we can tell, is tapped, figures out a way to
pay some of it early.
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Speaker 1 (20:44):
Mark Sanchez, Fox Sports what a gift for us all
year calling NFL games all year on Fox Now. But well,
we're gonna go to a break eventually and get to
the Jalen Hurt stuff. But here I'm thinking about this
because I know you're gonna be on today. So listen.
This happens all the time. You go into a game
as a quarterback and you're like, well, protections not ideal, Okay,
(21:08):
you're bringing a second tight end, get roll stuff out.
And it was very obvious by the second series. Wow,
we're getting beat on the O line man, the man
in the in the games in your life where you
felt your on line was outclassed. Do you have a
lot of options or do you just come to terms
(21:28):
very early I'm gonna get hit today. Yeah, I mean
is what are you thinking emotionally as a quarterback? Because
Patrick pretty early realized this is gonna be one two.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Trouble and he had to move quite a bit even
when he hit his back foot on number one. There's
guys in his lap, there's guys affecting his vision, his
stance in the pocket. He's getting hit all the time.
You see the pick right here to Bond, People like, wow,
what a bad throat, well, he gets hit literally when
he gets rid of the ball, and as soon as
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he hit his back foot, he was under duress. And
you got a credit Clint Hurt and this defensive line,
their defensive line coach, and those players up front, they
pushed the interior of the pocket. The ends just went off,
I mean sweat those guys rushing off the edd. It
was incredible. And when we talk about guys rushing rush
(22:20):
lane integrity, not chasing the cheese and going for the sack,
the sacks happen when you rush together, when you keep
your rush lanes, you know true. And they were in
lockstep together upfront, and you could say that about them
this last really half of the season. And you know
(22:41):
when you have Tony's an all pro left guard. He's
not a tackle. That's you know, he won two championships
with the Patriots, he's won two Super Bowls with the
chief Like, he's an excellent player, but he's out of position.
That's a really tough job, especially when those two big
guys Davis and Carter are getting pressure on the interior
where they're normally solid, so he doesn't have anywhere to
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step up to. They're coming over the walls on the edge.
I mean, it's it's a lose, lose and very uncharacteristic
of the Chiefs. They you know, their first three third
downs before it got to third and nine plus for
the rest of the game, their first three third downs
were third and three. I believe incomplete, incomplete interception. WHOA
(23:23):
what sequence is that? That doesn't that doesn't equate to
the Chiefs. So, yeah, they had a rough night. It
was a really rough night for him. But credit to
the Eagles because they exploited him. Yeah, the.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
When you watch the game, I just said this.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Philadelphia is a very aggressive franchise. And I said, I
think I'd said this with you. They do things that
often bad franchises do. They replace winning coaches, they move
off good quarterbacks. But it works for them and Siriani
his methodologies. For a lot of towns, you'd be like, dude,
you're yelling with the fans. Philadelphia is a very unique
(24:04):
the really important players like Saquon and Jalen Hurts. They're mature,
they're understated. It's a fact. We talked about this last time.
It's a fascinating organization that you have unique insight to.
It is a combustible, intense, loud and as I watch them,
(24:25):
I wonder if teams around the league watch them and
think we're not aggressive enough.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Sure, well, you got to credit Howie Roseman and some
of these draft picks, the guys that have fallen in
the draft and landed in their lap, whether it's Nikobe,
Dean or Carter or whatever, for whatever reasons, they end
up on this team. And Howie Roseman isn't afraid to
go sign aj Brown, He wasn't afraid to go sign
al Seon Jeffries. Sometimes I'm like, how does he even
(24:51):
get the how do they come available? Like who's taking
that phone call? But Howie Roseman, I mean, that guy's
working his tailoff and it's you know, every other year
they have one of the best rosters in the league
and it's been impressive. But you look at the coordinators
he's hired.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
You know they've hit, they've missed, but they go right back, they.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Get right back at it, and they keep the same
core nucleus of guys with a couple of veterans, whether
it's a Brandon Graham Darius Slay on defense, that kind
of keep the the emotions in check. They're they're your
locker room leaders. Yes. And when you talked about this
being like a combustible kind of environment, like it matches
(25:33):
the identity of the city, it completely matches. Yeah, where
they play their fan base. It's very filly and it's
it's exciting to watch. Just think about the two coordinators
who got this team going right. They're two and two
to start the year right, and you know you see
the videos after the game of Philadelphia just like exploding,
there's fires everywhere and people going nuts. Well, it was
(25:56):
ready to be like that during their bye week week five,
people were ready to fire. Everybody sucks. You know how
he can't put a team together. It's like, dude, you
guys have just been in the super Bowl, Like, relax, Okay,
we're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Well, they change up some stuff on defense. They played
a lot more single high. They insert Cooper dejen They
have two rookies playing in the secondary. Quinna Mitchell is
not supposed to start the year, starts the year because
Bradbury gets hurt and they get incredible production from two
rookies in the secondary. So that in itself tells me
(26:29):
vic Fanjo's got these guys dialed and he coached them hard.
But look at their last two games, the most important
games of their season, the Championship Game and the Super Bowl.
The defense generated seven turnovers. The offense scored ninety five points.
You can't beat that. You cannot beat that. You talk
(26:50):
about running into a buzzsaw, and you talk about everybody's saying, oh,
complimentary football, complimentary foot That is complimentary football. Jalen hurts
through a really bad interception in the game. Did it
last year against San Francisco? The defense got his back. Yeah,
the defense just erased it. And that is complimentary football.
Give the ball back to the offense, and god forbid
the offense gives it away. We got your back. Let's
(27:11):
not make a habit of it, but we got your
back and it was impressive.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I want let me ask you the Travis Kelcey.
He had a bite earlier we played on the show
on his podcast where he's like, listen, man, I've been
playing three extra games for several years, and like Lebron,
that's Lebron's played three years in the playoffs. His playoff
games equal a season of playing That's right, It's insane.
Those are intense and so I'll get Travis Kelcey, and
(27:38):
you play a position where you're blocking often the best
athlete and the other team, and all these three games,
three games, three games, when could and forget the production part.
When did you know, physically and emotionally for you, man,
I don't want to go to camp. And I asked
that respectfully because first of all, season ends, give yourself
(27:59):
three weeks off with whoever. But was there an epiphany
for you driving around something and thinking I don't want.
Speaker 10 (28:06):
To do this?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Well, the last couple of years, you know, you have
this epiphany when you realize the warm up and cool
down for practice almost takes longer than practice. You know,
the warm up takes longer than the workout. You're like, dang, okay,
well let's see how many more we can squeeze out
of this thing. And you know, like Draymond Green's, hey,
you got to ride it till the wheels fall off
because at some point you're gonna be older and wishing
(28:28):
you could still play. So I think you still got
another year in him. I think they'll take a little
bit off of his plate, especially when it comes to blocking.
I think they need a true blocking tight end because
Haim and Noah Gray are similar skill set. Yeah, so
I think that would help him. But I mean, Kansas
City's not going anywhere. You got fifteen at quarterback. He
laid an egg and one super Okay, fine, Like I'm
(28:49):
fine with that. Like whatever. You know, Lebron's lost six
champions or something like, We're okay, They're gonna be just fine.
They'll retool. I think Kelsey's got got one more season in.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Him the.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
The NFL. Now we have another game, they're probably at
another game. There's much more international travel. Off seasons for US.
It's free agency, it's the draft. You start looking at
Philadelphia's roster, Kansas City, there's some great older players. What
does an off season look like? Win or lose this game?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Is it different? When you I mean, you tell me
what does an off season for Patrick Mahomes look like?
How long do you shut it down?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah? I think, uh, you're never like completely shut down,
but like you're going for a bike ride, you're swimming,
you're doing some other stuff just to stay active. But
I don't think he's just gonna take like two months off.
He can't totally do that. He's probably not gonna start
throwing right away, But you know he's he's gonna take
(29:50):
a little time, let the emotions settle down, get to
the truth of the game. Where was I good? Where
was I bad?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
What?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
What reads did I miss about? How was my folk footwork?
You know, grade yourself, tell the truth and then move
on and go play again. And he's gonna be once again.
He's gonna be just fine. These Chiefs are gonna be
just fine. It's they ran into an incredible team that
was playing really well as superstars all over the place.
And the guys that needed to fill in some holes
(30:19):
for him. I mean, you loseing to Kobe Dean and
Orn Burks comes in, yeah, and generates turnovers for your offense,
like for your defense, gives the ball back to the offense.
I mean, the two rookies who had to step in
and play. Avonte Maddox doesn't play as much. Then when
he does get in later in the year in the
Super Bowl, he bats away a crucial third down. I mean,
that's a guy who could have easily tanked right. Cooper
(30:40):
dejen took his spot after the bye week early in
the year and doesn't play as much. I mean, he
could have packed it in, but that's a testament to
their locker room, to Howie Roseman, to the head coach,
to all the guys, getting these guys ready to play,
keeping them a part of it. And you know, that's
how you build a championship roster. You could tell they
were together and once again, Chief slay an egg. They'll
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be back.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
All right, we're gonna come back. You have some film,
some tape on Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
He's an eraser. He's an eraser. He he just does
stuff different than other quarterbacks. He can get away with
the li It's pretty fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
We'll show that and talk about that next in the Herd.
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Speaker 1 (31:20):
So many of the things Mark Sanchez talks about we
can't talk about yet on the air. That's a bummer,
but you know what it it fortifies us to pursue
what he's talking about and make calls. You're like the whisper,
You're a little nugget. You're the personnel whisperer and we
just have to do it from there. Okay, So Jalen Hurts,
(31:41):
you know, Greg Cosel came on earlier and he said,
you know, one of the things they asked him to
do and he does really well, is that sideline route. Like,
not all quarterbacks can make all throws, but some quarterbacks
have throws. They're brilliant at the goball. Yeah, yeah, I
mean beautiful, beautiful at it. So let's give it, let's
go to the film room.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I thought he did such an excellent job. And this
is credit to Kellen Moore. I mean, the Saints fans,
that fan base should be excited about what they're getting
in him as a head coach. But he cut the
field in half for Jalen Hurts and let him just
kind of pick a side. Why to make it easier
on the quarterback and to eliminate a lot of the
trash from that defense. You get a ton of exotic
(32:19):
looks when you play Steve Spagnola. So he wants him
to just be dialed in on a two or three
man concept and keep his eyes there. And when it
wasn't that, when it was essentially a full field read,
we talked about a sprinkler going across the grass. Right,
he just could start on one side and let everything
else come to his vision. So there's like a two
man combination, and everything else is chasing that two man combination.
(32:42):
And it's a pure progression type idea. When you play
exotic defenses, you're not going to know exactly where they're
at till the ball snapped, and you don't want to
be racing looking, Oh do I pick this side or
that side? No, we're going to start on this side.
Everything else is going to come into your vision. And then, oh,
by the way, this guy can make up for a
lot with his legs. Remember his best throw is the
(33:03):
go ball. The other best thing he does is you
run with the football. He's their leading rusher for a reason.
So when you watch this third down, it makes a
ton of sense. But he's gonna recognize it's man to man.
McDuffie's gonna travel with Devonte Smith. And when McDuffie was
playing either AJ Brown one on one, they took some
shots up the field and they took their chances and
(33:23):
AJ Brown won. Well, when they didn't have him on
AJ Brown, they would bracket him and make sure he's
not gonna beat him. We got to take away Saquon
and we got to find a way to double or
you know, get enough pressure so we can't throw it
to aj Brown, So this time they double him and
then they're gonna go one on one with the back.
Bolton a lot of times would cover the back and
keep him in the protection so he doesn't leak out
and give Hurts easy completions. So these two man combos
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I was talking about, you cut the field in half,
start on the right side, high angle corner, and the
out route to god Her It's gonna be Manda Man.
He saw the motion, so he knows is gonna take
a little longer. He gets to the top of his
drop and you're to see there goes the shallow chasing
the two man combination. So that's gonna come right into
his vision. He can keep his eyes to the right,
(34:07):
but he has such good feel in the pocket knowing
when it's man to man that if he sees a
rush lane, this dude is gone and he gets to
top speed fast. He's already looking away from Goddard before
this ball, before he breaks on his route. Manning, Brady, Breeze,
Golf Stafford, all these guys. That ball goes to Goddard.
(34:28):
It's a tight window throw. The ball goes to Goddard,
Jalen hurts, he kills you on a third and five
and scrambles for nineteen. I mean, those were some of
his biggest plays in the game, as he just erased
those third downs with his legs. Yeah, and the defense
is like, we're in position, We're forcing him to make
tight window throws and this guy just tucks the ball
(34:49):
and takes off for nineteen on a third and five.
I mean, get out of here. Like, I wish I
could do that, right, I wish I could do. The
quarterbacks pray for that ability, and this guy has it
in Spain. And so I think that's where he really
elevated his game all year long. And I think Kellen
Moore had him in such a good headspace. Nus Meyer
had him in such a good frame of mind to
(35:12):
get through those progressions and whenever you want, if you
feel that crease, you feel that lane, dude, do what
you do, go take off. And I mean he really
mastered it in that game. It was it was pretty
fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
It's interesting. So when he had Shane Stike and he
was an MVP, then they went to a coordinator not
as good. He goes back to Kellen Moore. I feel
like Kellen's really cleaned him up. Now that's not a
knock on Stikeen, but all young quarterbacks, you know, this
is a fast game. What's great to me about Jalen
is you get almost no mistakes anymore.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
You're right the one key interception and the defense erase
and it was kind of a well they got pressure
on They had a couple free runners on him early
and he got rid of the ball. That one he
got fooled a little bit on the look at least
it was a home run and just launched it, but
the defense got on the ball right back. It almost
worked out like a punt. They should have got three
points out of it, right. But you know, once again
(36:05):
the complimentary football stuff, letting him just track his guy
across the field, throw the one on one, go balls
up the field, like that's what he does. Well, let's
let's get him to do that. We know they're gonna
try and take away our fastball in Saquon Barkley, and
they did. They They're like one of the only teams
to slow them down. So he was really essentially a
non factor in the run game. But then you gotta
(36:28):
count count for the quarterback run and that's where you
know they went to the change up the curveball. They
have some other pitches there and credit to the Eagles
attack man. That was that was That was incredible.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
When you go back to your playoff runs, you're in
New York, even though you may not win a super Bowl,
you're beating Manning, you're beating Brady. You're a young quarterback.
It could be very distracting. Like Jalen Hurts is gonna
get commercials. He's a good looking guy. Like go back
to your early career. You're in New York, You're beating
(37:02):
Brady and Foxborough. It may not be a super Bowl,
but man, the world gets big fast. Yeah. I mean seriously,
it's it's it's your good looking guy. The world of
Jalen hurt.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Oh, it's gonna explode eplow and grow exponentially. It's it's
gonna be interesting to watch.
Speaker 10 (37:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
It's just another challenge for him, another hurdle. This you
know he was he they had this revenge kind of
you know, rematch kind of chip on their shoulder and
people counted us out early. Now you're the favorite and
it's you know, uh, overcoming adversity and now it's dealing
with success, and the Chiefs have shown a blueprint on
(37:42):
kind of how to do that. But for him, now
it's now it's kind of expected. Hey, this is who
you are. You've proven on the biggest stage that you're
gonna play a fish and football. You know you're gonna
use your legs, You're gonna beat these defenses and make
great decisions. Well, okay, this is now your new normal.
The bar has been raised. Let's let's keep seeing it.
(38:02):
And you know it's it's gonna be a great challenge
for him. But he's got a heck of a team
coming back. They got to figure out the OC.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
But you know, his entire group, his manager all women,
That's true, fascinating. He's got a you know his parents
are both educators. I think dad was a football coach.
This is a guy what I really This really jumps
out to me how secure he is in himself. He
(38:27):
could be so bitter. Yeah he could, you could. I
mean he got he got sat during a national championship game.
A lot of doubters, second second round back. I mean
the offense this year, you got you got a J.
Brown reading on the sideline. Hey, the offense runs through sakes,
it's noisy. He's a very secure kid.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
To me, it's he's just so I like watching his
press conferences because he almost speaks in like I don't
know if you've ever seen the Avengers, but he speaks
in like Thanos quotes, like he speaks in these you know,
he gives like great cliche and you know, like and
he's and he's well spoken. You know, he's a real adult.
He seems very mature, and it's it's fun a lot.
(39:10):
I mean, when you can move the ball like that
and go to your you know, off speed pitch, when
they take away your fastball, that's that's not easy to do,
especially against that team, especially against UH on the biggest
s days in the world.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Let me ask you, there's guy, there's Stafford rumors. I
mean there's a lot of rumors.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Now, let's be honest. We've had in the last four
or five years. Russell moved, Kirk Cousins moved, Stafford moved.
This is becoming the league. Like there's big swings. So
you're let's say you're Aaron Rodgers, you have a very
good career, you win a ring MVP, you go to
New York, little choppy, and then you're think you're sitting
to yourself. Played pretty well, Aaron played pretty darn well.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Almost four thousand yards well, twenty eight touchdowns, eleven picks.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I mean I thought he was last eight weeks. He
was excellent.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
There's twenty five teams in the league that would sign
up for those numbers right now.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I'm not asking you to get in his head. But
you got the money, you have the ring, you've got
the plot it, you got all that stuff. When you
get to the end, what stuff matters.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Oh, it's got to be the right fit. I think
it's for hit. I think it's totally fit. It's got
to match. The puzzle piece has to match. And you know,
somebody's gonna take a fire on him. Somebody's you know,
even if it's after somebody gets hurt in August or
something like.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
You know, Kelly, I don't does that fit?
Speaker 4 (40:26):
I don't know. With Pete and Chip about why not?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
That one's interesting that one doesn't.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
That that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
So do you think the fit, the schematic fit works
in San Francisco? Oh?
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Absolutely, I think so. And they and they have the
structure right. This isn't like a rebuild and a new
offensive coordinator somebody has never done. I mean, this guy's
called thousands and thousands the biggest moments. They have weapons.
But I mean that that's assuming we're moving off of
Rock Party.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
So I don't know, no, no, I I'm saying if
Perty's agents had sixty millions, like, Okay, we're gonna go
with Aaron.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
But when you say fit, that's an interesting word. Do
you mean schematic fit?
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I think schematic fit. I think environment fit. I think
supporting cast has to play a huge factor. It can't
all be on the quarterback. Somebody with a run game
would really help him out. But you know, and they
gotta want him as well, Right, It's got to fit
both ways. It's a two way street. And so I
think that's going to be, you know, a hurdle for
(41:32):
some of these teams figuring out is this the direction
we're going to go, Because just like the Jets did
two years ago, if you bring in a guy like that,
it's we're all in and the expectations increase exponentially. So
that's what I mean by fit.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's interesting. As Aaron's aged,
he's a little less mobile. I could argue that's better
in the Shanahan offense.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Oh, no doubt. I mean he doesn't want he doesn't
want to scrambling. Yeah, like, just execute the play and
when we're in trouble, throw the ball away, fall down,
you know, take the sack. Whatever. But this is what
we're gonna do, and we're going to execute it at
a higher level over a longer period of time and
wear teams down. And that's generally their formula. When it's working,
(42:14):
it's it's tough to deal with. You got players moving
all over the place, so satellite players that use Check
and Kittle and all these guys, I mean, a great
tight end like that Kittle, I mean Kittle and Roger
Holy smokes, I'd be a heck of a But we're
also saying that they're going to move off Brock and
I don't know if I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Well, you're the one that floated Aaron, and I do
think Aaron high Iq knows the league. He's not going
to move out of plays. Humbled probably a little bit.
I mean whatever, all right, but you did a great
job this year. For now, he's going on vacation, he's
going into the basement. Won't talk about it. I don't
have a problem. Are you going, What do you do
(42:52):
for the next couple of months?
Speaker 4 (42:53):
We got the twins on the way, baby twin girls,
so we're gonna have our hands full. But I'll be
back a couple of times, you know, break down some
of these college keep bees and free agencies. I'll be around.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Keep your eye on Riley Leonard.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
There you go, all right, I'll look him up.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
All right, Well, it's the National Championship game. It's up.
I know you'll be able to find the tape. I
know I'm not asking you for Dayton's backup here. Mark
all right, everybody, thank you so much. Uh Luca and
lebron Tonight, Salt Lake City, Round two,
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