June 13, 2025 • 31 mins
Colin shares his top “Head Coach – Quarterback Combos” in the NFL right now and argues Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin not making the list is the reason why they aren’t a serious playoff team this season. He defends former Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau after getting fired and why this was clearly a mistake after New York had their best season in over 2 decades. Colin talks to former head coach Chris Peterson about Caleb Williams and why he’s struggled to adjust to the NFL after a prolific college career
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh, here we go. It is a Friday. It is
great to have you in.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Jmck and I ready to roll on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Jmac.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Tonight, of course Game four, pivotal game for the NBA Finals.
I am falling in love with this Indiana Pacer team.
We'll have Rick Bucher on Next Star to talk some
of that. You know, jmack, it is. It is the
summer of love in the NFL, because we had the
combine and then we had the Draft, and nobody has
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a bad draft. Everybody gets an Arab, right, nobody's got
a bad draft. And then we got OTAs. Oh who
these guys are amazing and I want to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's the summer of love. I saw this story this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Aaron Rodgers Blairs the headline and Mike Tomlin form a
unique Super Bowl partnership. Oki Doki, I saw another story.
Uh Bo Nicks is playing fast. Here's another one. One
of his teammates in Minnesota, says Jane J. McCarthy, who
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has never played an official NFL regular season game, reminds
him of another quarterback.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
He understands that we have to build a family here
and that you know, he can't have unique results without
unique relationships that we believe in. And then man, he's
got some confidence and he reminds me of like Josh
Allen when I was with him in Buffalo, coming into
his own and understanding the power that he has to
lead this organization.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And he's doing a fantastic job doing that.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
JJ McCarthy reminds him of Josh Allen. Okay, that's a
little hot for me. Here's what's really gonna happen this
regular season, and all of us know.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It is that this league is now.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Because of rule changes, a seventy thirty quarterback coach league.
As great as Andy Reid is, he only started hoisting
trophies when he got Patrick Mahomes. Now it may be
a sixty five thirty five league quarterback coach. It may
be a seventy five twenty five, but it's about a
seventy thirty swing.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So if you have a star quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And he has at least a B coach, he's gonna
make the playoffs. If you have a really good quarterback
with an A coach, he's probably gonna make the playoffs.
So these are not my playoff predictions, but this is
what I believe makes the playoffs generally, either a star
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quarterback with a BE coach or better, or an a
coach with a really really good quarterback that is often
young and getting better. The first group, and my opinion
the five best quarterbacks in the NFL are Patrick Mahomes,
Matt Stafford, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow. I
know you don't love Zach Taylor, but he got to
a super Bowl. He's had a lot of big wins
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for a young coach. I think he's bright. I don't
always love his clock management, but I didn't like Andy
Reid's before he had a great quarterback. I'm gonna go
they'll make the playoffs. The next group Jaden Daniels, Justin Herbert, C. J. Stroud, Hertz,
and golf. I know, I know Nick Seriani, don't love him,
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but if you win a Super Bowl, I gotta make
you a be coach. The team buys into him. And
then the third group, and it's mostly a group where
I love the coach. Jordan Love and Matt Lafleur, bo
Nix and Sean Payton, brock Perty and Kyle Shanahan and
Drake Mayon Vrabel. This group, I I generally like the quarter
I like the coach more.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Than the quarterback, but the quarterback is good enough. These
are not my playoff predictions, but mine are pretty darn
close to this. And my get now.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I don't have Donald or Baker or Gino and they're
really close or Caleb. Those guys were next in line.
You know who's not Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin because
Aaron's not close to his prime and Mike doesn't make
quarterbacks better. And as much as we talk about the
revelation of JJ McCarthy or or or the special relationship
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in Pittsburgh, this is an incredibly predictable league. And in
the AFC with the higher end quarterbacks, it's even easier.
Last couple of years, it's been a really easy conference
to predict division winners. Again, I had Donald close, and
I actually have Donald in the playoffs. Geno's close. I
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think he is Donald. I got Caleb close. Love is coach.
But by and large, all this Summer of Love, we
all kind of know what it's going to look like
by the first week of February. All right, So maybe
the biggest story of the week has been the Knicks
firing Tibbs. That was a couple of weeks ago, but
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it's interesting yesterday. I'm here in some of the next
players like Jalen Brunson saying, hey, this guy deserves love.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Well, of course he does.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
But when you fire somebody. My wife used to work
in HR and I remember when I first met her
twenty years ago, and she said something. She had worked
in the hiring business. She said, overwhelmingly people fire themselves.
They know it's coming. Well, I don't think Tibbs knew
it was coming, and I don't think he fired himself.
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And here's why I keep hearing this. You know, the
Knicks weren't creative enough offensively the Knicks. The Knicks made
some moves and didn't get better. So last year, at
this time, one calendar year, from today. They had Dante
deven Tenjo. They not only had him, he was their
number one three point shooter. They had Julius Randall, who
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was their number two playmaker behind Brunson, number two in scoring,
number two and assists. They also had Isaiah Hartenstein their
starting center, big time energy guy. So any team that
loses their best three point shooter in a three point
shooting league, their number two playmaker and a high energy
starting center, you would think, who boy, that's going to
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be rough. The Knicks were actually better in the regular season,
went further in the playoffs, and were actually slightly better
offensively in net ratings seven to five. It's like the
Knicks fired their trainer because they only lost twelve pounds
and they wanted to lose fifteen. Yeah, maybe your diet's
not good enough. That's why the TIBs thing has always
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been about personnel. I like McHale Bridges, but he's not
consistent offense. I like Kat He's bad defensively, certainly not
as good as Hartenstein. So my take on this whole
thing is generally, and I think my wife was right,
people do fire themselves, right. They're inconsistent, they're not reliable.
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They're toxic. They're just not very good. But Tim's actually
one more games regular season, one more games in the playoffs,
and was slightly better offensively losing his number two playmaker,
is best three point shooter, and I would argue Hartenstein
is a more complete center than Robinson News all defense
or cat who's all offense. And Paul Pierce talked about
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this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
When you look at the likes of Indiana, when you
look at Boston and teams of that nature in the
Eastern Conference, these guys had depth and that's something that
the Knicks were front heavy. So I think he maxed
out the rosters. So I don't think a coach coming in.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
The roster.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
What the roster is the coach, it's not the coach.
You're gonna have to get more pieces for this team
to get over the hump.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
I don't care who you bring in.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
You can bring in Red all Back, you can bring
in Phil Jackson. This team maxed out.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And what's interesting is of all the teams that Kevin
Durant is rumored to be going to, there's four that
are getting mentioned. The Knicks are one of those teams,
meaning even New York Nick fans New York Knick media
and NBA insiders believe they could really use another catch
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and shoot guy. So you're acknowledging the personnel isn't quite right.
And beyond all of this is the fact that you
and I are watching the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
They've got more good players.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Miles Turner is a better rim defender than Robinson, in
a better center, better offensively. Pascal Sayakam to me, I
would rather have him on the floor than Kat Halliburton
to me, is a more complete guard than Jalen Brunson.
And they've got a couple of other players who shoot
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threes more consistently, it feels like to me than McHale Bridges.
Indiana's got better players. You could say, well they got
a better coach. Well, he's been fired twice too. So
when I look at Indiana and I look at the Knicks,
and the Knicks gave I mean the Knicks gave the
Pacers more trouble than Cleveland did, more trouble than Milwaukee did,
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and about the same level of trouble Oklahoma City is.
So if you start watching, I mean, remember that ball
that bounced high into the air and went in for
the Pacers. Some felt that was the difference in the
series for a while. So the tips thing is, it's
not just that the Knicks didn't have the next coach
in waiting. Is you're acknowledging it to personnel issue. That's
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why you want KD. They got better in the regular season,
better in the playoffs, and a slightly better net. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
That feels like a job promotion, not a pink slip.
All right, j MC, We've got a.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Lot of things going on today. You know tonight's game.
What's the number? In fact, I think it's okase. He's
a big favorite tonight, right.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Okay, see minus six Now it's dipped to five and
a half.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
In some spots.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Obviously, I'm shocked that the market didn't move yesterday when
I said I'm on the Pacers in Game four. But
you know whatever, I'm surprised you haven't picked the game yet.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I don't feel I'm not going to bet against Indiana here.
We both loved Indiana in Game three. Just think about
what could happen to night in American sports. Everybody, you know,
the people that cover this league in the locker rooms
day and day out. If you would have pulled the
coaches and the GMS. Nobody would have picked Indiana to
win the championship. They were not favored against first round
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of Milwaukee. Now, I think we both loved them over Milwaukee.
We thought it was a great matchup for them. I
didn't like him over Cleveland. You did New York, Indian.
I kind of liked Indiana, but it was slight, and
I liked Oklahoma City. Think about all the knowledge in
the NBA, the media, the coaches, the GMS, if you'd
have polled all of them, including the players. Remember Halliburton
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was voted the most overheted player. Nobody would have picked
the Pacers to win the championship. And if they win tonight,
they won't be up three to one. And I think
that the numbers are something like eighty eight percent ninety
two percent winning if they win that game, which by
the way, they have been the much better fourth quarter team.
Oklahoma City is clearly younger and not as good on
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the road, and Halliburton right now is once again, like
against Milwaukee, Cleveland and New York, controlling the pace of
the series.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Okay, see by the way, to eight against the spread
on the road have not covered one road game in
the postseason. Yet for some reason, everybody's obsessed with their
season long net rating. Everybody's got okay, see tonight, coll it.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I don't see it. Give me the Pacers once again.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Teams are thirty seven and one in the finals when
leading three to one. If Indiana wednesdaight, folks, What a
revelation that nobody in the league, no GM, I mean
outside of Indiana's group, nobody would have picked them, which
I guess. This is the NBA Adam Silver wanted. I
know the ratings aren't great, I find it interesting.
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Speaker 1 (12:28):
All right, you guys know him into the Shanor Sanders story,
OTA's mini camps. So Mary Kay Cabot's a really good,
award winning reporter in Cleveland through the years, probably last
ten fifteen years. If she says something or has insights,
I tend to kind of lean on that. It's a
very loud media market, so there's a lot of talk
radio is big there in sports radio. But I trust
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Mary Kay Cabot, not that I don't trust others, but
I know her. So she made an observation yesterday on
the Quarterback Tool that the coaching staff Kevin Stefanski again
a guy I really respect.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I think he's super bright. I really like him.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That he is giving Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett more
of the offense. That's why their completion percentage is down,
and that Shadeur Sanders is getting more layups. They're not
putting in quite the install with him. In her belief,
it's an observation, which is, you know, it's an opinion
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with information, is that basically the staff thinks Dylan Gabriel
and Kenny Pickett are closer to starting in terms of readiness,
Shadeur Sanders is number four. Now what it was kind
of fascinating to me, not since Tim Tebow and Johnny
Manziel have we had a rookie quarterback that people were
this divided on.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I didn't like Tebau. I didn't think he had the
release or the arm. I think I was right. I
didn't like Manzella. I didn't think he had the maturity.
I was absolutely right. I think in both instances, Chador
is mature enough. He's not disruptive, and I think his
arm and his release are fine. But it is interesting
to watch, you know, to watch the opinions on this.
People are absolutely taking sides. So now, if you're not
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a shador fan, there are two things that help your argument.
Number One, Brian Dabol had an interview with Shaduur, and
I think Brian's really sharp. I don't blame the giant
problems on Brian Dable. He may not be able to
fix the issues, but I don't think he's the leader
of the issues or the primary reason they went up
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to the whiteboard and Shadeur did not handle it well.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That would concern me.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The second thing is Mary kay Cabot report is the
coaches are giving him the easiest route because he's fourth
in readiness. Well, he had a lot of college starts.
What are you waiting for? So I think that's fair.
But there's always been this. You hear this all the
time from business leaders that say, trust your got My
dad was an optometrist. I trust my eyes, and my
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eyes tell me that Kenny Pickett's not a start quarterback
in the NFL. And Dylan Gabriel is too small and
doesn't have the arm to be a starting quarterback. My
eyes tell me that Joe Flacckele right now is the
best quarterback in shadeor Sanders is number two. And so
that's what my eyes tell me. And I watched Dylan
Gabriel in college and I thought that's a hell of
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a college quarterback at Oklahoma and Oregon. I never thought
of him as a franchise quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I didn't think he could. I thought he was too small.
So my eyes tell.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Me Shador is bigger, at least has as good an arm,
has escapability, and it's just a more natural athlete. Here's
Kevin Stefanski on Schadeur's progress so far.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
I said, right behind him, Joe is to my left,
to Shador's left, And to see those two bounced ideas
off of each other is hilarious. You know, Joe will
say a few things and I'll be like, Joe Chadour
wasn't born. He wasn't born then. So it's just he's
got great energy, great kid, working his tail off in
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any playing really well too.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
All right, there you go. So I'm just telling you
what I saw. And I've said this about Jackson Dart
when I watch a guy in college. And I've done
this forever. Sometimes I turn the sound down. I just
want to watch him, just a visual watch. That's it,
just visual. I don't want to hear announcers. I don't
want any bias. Let me watch a guy. Do they
look and feel like a starting quarterback in the NFL?
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Shaduor Sanders did to me. Daniel Jones did not to me.
Zach Wilson did not to me.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You know, I.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Marcus Marioto was a very very good college quarterback. I
never quite thought that was gonna work. But with Shadur,
I just my eyes tell me it's gonna work.
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Speaker 1 (17:50):
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Speaker 3 (17:55):
You know it's funny about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I was talking about Caleb earlier, and I was a
big fan of Caleb, and I went to dinner last
night with the Bears president and I said, I said
he was magical for the first year at USC and
the first six games of the second And I said
then that Notre Dame game happened. He got sacked six times.
And I think Lincoln Riley and Caleb lost trust in
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the old line and he got into really bad habits.
And I thought last year in Chicago the coaching staff
didn't correct those habits. From what you've seen of Caleb,
the stuff we like about him, Chris is pretty obvious.
Are there things you've looked at and that if you
coached him, you would be like, Hey, I got to
clean this up with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 11 (18:38):
I haven't studied them calling as much as you have,
but I'll say this. You know, one of the harder
guys for me to ever coach in my career has
been scrambling quarterbacks that are really athletic and their legs
are as much of a weapon as their arm is,
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because there's such a fine line between when you should
take off and when you should hang in, and it's
one of those things like no no no no, yes yes, yes,
yes and so and then you lose trust in your
O line. Well you know what's gonna happen. So you
know this guy is a phenomenal talent. But I think
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at the NFL level, one of those superpowers that these
guys have to have is their pocket presence. There needs
to be an instinct in there. They need to be
trained in there, and really to be one of the
elite guys, they have to be elite in the pocket.
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I mean, if you just go back to the Tom Brady,
who you know can't run it all, couldn't run it all.
I mean that guy was so phenomenal in the pocket.
I mean that was his superpower in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
So Shador is not a runner. You've seen plenty of him.
He's he's more like Kirk to me. He's got his calm,
could be Kirk Cousins and maybe a little more movement.
Is there something? Give me what you liked about him
and something you saw as an analyst and thought that
that's a little that's concerning.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Yeah, well I did like him a lot.
Speaker 11 (20:17):
I saw flashes where you saw the arm, talent, the anticipation,
I mean, the accuracy, So all those things you did see.
I mean at Colorado there was a I put together
a highlight one time in Washington.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I was like, oh man, this guy's got something.
Speaker 11 (20:32):
But then going back to our conversation, we just had
the weakness that I thought he had was pocket presence.
Like Chador to me, is athletic, but he's not very fast,
certainly by NFL standards. So he is going to have
to like minimize what we're seeing on tape right here
and learn to get really good in that pocket. And
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if he does and gets comfortable there, which is a
big f I think he can be really good.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So this next question, I got a lot of pushback
apparently on this. Thank god, I don't really read my
phone or email, but I got a lot of pushback.
I said, listen, college football has pivoted to the playoff
and the responsibility of Ryan Day is to get to
that playoff. And it's like college basketball. Tom Izzo's job
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at Michigan State. Get to March. I don't care. You
can lose to your rival. You'll keep your job if
you get into the sweet sixteen in March. Those checks
keep getting cashed. And so I look at Lincoln Riley
and I say to myself, he didn't get to play
Oregon State anymore, or Washington State, or cow or Arizona.
Now it's Ohio State it's going to be on the
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docket and Michigan and Penn State. The travel's worse, the
weather's worse, and also the two teams, the three teams
that followed him to the Big Ten are Oregon, Washington
and his rival So I can see Lincoln in USC going. Guys,
we'll play Notre Dame occasionally early in the season.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
We don't want to have.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
An annual November game, and I defend blowing up that rivalry.
Urban Meyer doesn't like it. But from a coaching standpoint,
how does it land for you potentially not making that
a regular game.
Speaker 11 (22:23):
I get one hundred percent where the Trojans are coming from.
Now do I like that for the greater good of football?
Absolutely not, No one does it loves college football. That's
one of the most historic riberries in all of college football.
So it's like, wait, what what are you doing? But
I get it because you said it. It is about
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getting to the college football playoffs, And you know, I
actually like the selection committee.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
I kind of like that subjectivity.
Speaker 11 (22:55):
But one thing that I do think has been a
little bit skewed with that is strength of schedule. They
always talk about that, but when it push comes to
shove in my mind.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
When I look about who they put.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
In, they lean very heavily on the wins and losses,
maybe more so than the strength of schedule. You know,
I look at the March madness like you were talking about,
and you know, they have all these metrics and no
one seems to debate those on strength of schedule and
R and PI and all those type of things. And
I think if college football brought that a little bit
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more into the game with the committee, I think it
could make for a good formula.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So listen, most college football coaches, yourself potentially included, are.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
They love tradition of it. And there's a lot of movement.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
There's the playoff, there's the nil, there's the transfer portal. Now,
the thing that bothers me more than everything is the
transfer portal. Because my take is I don't mind if
you transfer. I don't like it transferred three times. First
of all, I actually don't think it's good for the kid.
I think you have to fight through bad situations in life,
and if it was up to me, I would say,
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you get a transfer, but you can't transfer more than once.
Over eighteen months. That'll give you about two in college.
You don't get a transfer every year. And you could say, well,
coaches leave, they don't leave every eighteen months. That's not
the way it works. And coaches, by the way, are bosses.
Players are employees. My bosses at Fox get things that
I don't get. That's the name of the game. But
if I said to you what needs more tweaking going forward,
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the transfer portal or the NIL?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
What scares you a little bit? What worries you more?
Speaker 11 (24:38):
Colin, if I'm hearing you right, are you trying to
lobby to be the commissioner of college football?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Because I think we take you. I think we would.
Speaker 11 (24:46):
I mean, here's the thing about what's going on, and
I think most fans understand this. There's a lot of
good information out there. There's a lot of logic some
of the things you're talking about. The problem is everything's
getting sued right now, and the lawsuits are not over yet,
even though the House settlement's coming down and it gives
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us a little more structure, but who knows how that's
gonna last. But there's no question you know the NIL.
I think every most people in the game, the coaches,
the players, they get the NIL. I think everybody's on
board with that. There's no question. It's the transfer portal
and the tampering and you know a guy going to
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five schools in five years and all, and it's you're right,
it's not better for the kids in the long run.
There's just no real structure to it.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
And I'll tell you me.
Speaker 11 (25:36):
Being not on the sidelines, my whole heart and souls
into the greater good of college football. And it's just
like I worry. I talk to so many fans like
you do. They're getting so fed up with the college game.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
You know.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
It's like I've heard so many people like I'm out,
I'm not renewing my tickets, I'm done with college football.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
And it's because of.
Speaker 11 (26:00):
For a lot of these longtime fans, they have a
hard time wrapping their mind around paying the players.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
That ship is sailed.
Speaker 11 (26:07):
I think they can get over that. But what they
don't want to do is pay these players and then
have them leave every year. You don't even know who
the players are. And I think you're feeling that even
more so in college basketball. To me, college basketball problems
are always a couple of years in front of football,
the extremness of it, and you're seeing.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
That and call.
Speaker 11 (26:27):
You know, I used to be the biggest college basketball
fan and I can't even folly college basketball. So I
know that's coming in college football unless we put some
guardrails on this thing.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
So I hope it gets worked out sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, And I also think if you the transfer portal
is one of those things. It's like in life, Oh,
I make more money, I'm happier. Where more money, more problems.
And I look at the transfer portal and you say, oh,
I'm going to go buy I can go buy a
starting corner. Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley, Dion Sanders. A lot
of these programs that brought in heavy transfers, their chemistry
is no good. So I still like Deebo Samuel Davo
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Sweeney this year is gonna have a great team. He
doesn't believe in the portal in the nil, So I
still believe you have to build through high schools.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Okay, I want.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I want to go to this article with Sean McVay
and if you haven't read it, folks, it's just great.
And basically Sean was going through a personal crisis a
couple of years ago and you reached out to him
and said, hey, I know what you're going through. Sean
McVay is one of those people that I remember the
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first time I saw him at the podium, I was like,
how old is he?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
He should be a president?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
When you when with your conversations with Sean McVay, have
you ever met a coach maybe at that age, especially,
what to you is the secret sauce to him? Because
I think there's an argument even with Andy Reid, he
is the best coach in America right now. You can
argue college or probly maybe the best coach in the world.
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What jumped out to you as a veteran coach.
Speaker 11 (28:01):
With him, Colin, I think you're exactly right. I think
this might be the best coach in the world. I mean,
and I'll tell you why. The guy is truly a
football savant. I can't tell you the type of mind
he has, how he remembers things, plays. You know, we've
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been talking for a couple of years, Things that I
said to him, you know, years back, that he'll bring up.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
And I'm thinking I said that he doesn't forget anything.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
So this guy truly knows offense defense inside and out.
He could be a world class defensive coordinator. So he
truly is the best in terms of x's and o's,
as good as anyone that I've certainly encountered. But to me,
what makes him so special is, you know, before he's
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what thirty eight, he won a super Bowl, been to
another one, and has the humility to say, yeah, this
isn't working so well. You know, all those things that
we've been after our whole life isn't feeling exactly how
it should feel. And for him at that point to
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say I need to figure some things out and then
make the changes, it is phenomenal. Like this guy is
an inspiration to me and and and I can't wait
till more coaches get to hear him talk, because, first
of all, most coaches that are in the hot seat
in in in their current positions aren't going to talk
about being miserable and how hard this is.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
They're just not They're not going to go there.
Speaker 11 (29:39):
Sean Will, he's that secure, he's that he has that
type of humility, and it's just also and then for
him to go and work to change his own game,
it's just really like nothing I've ever seen. And so
he's an inspiration across you know, in terms of the
(30:00):
total package of like because it's that thing, like you
know when you talk about change and you know it's
that cartoon you ask, Hey, who thinks we need to change?
And everybody raises their hand, and then the next question is, Okay,
who wants to change?
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Nobody's gonna raise their hand, right.
Speaker 11 (30:17):
I mean, the hardest thing we have to do in
life is probably change ourselves.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
And this guy is full on embrace that.
Speaker 11 (30:25):
And so for a guy that's accomplished as much as
he has, as smart as he is, to have the
humility the self awareness to go, I need to change
some of these things to help myself.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
And this pro it has been.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
It's an inspiration and I can't wait for more people
to really figure out and listen to Sean talk.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Chris Peterson one of my absolute favorites. Fourteen years as
a head coach Boise State for eight, Washington for six,
Coach of the Year, two time a Bear Brian Award winner.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
We love having him at Fox.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Azola's coach and I appreciate you on a I imagine
drizzly day in Seattle once again joining our show.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
I appreciate you, Colin. It's great to talk to you.
And how many days do we actually have.
Speaker 11 (31:08):
You know, college football is kind of a train wreck
outside of the Saturdays, but on Saturdays.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Absolutely it's a little messy, a little chaotic.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Chris Peterson great stuff, Fox Sports.
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh, here we go. It is a Friday. It is
great to have you in.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Jmck and I ready to roll on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Jmac.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Tonight, of course Game four, pivotal game for the NBA Finals.
I am falling in love with this Indiana Pacer team.
We'll have Rick Bucher on Next Star to talk some
of that. You know, jmack, it is. It is the
summer of love in the NFL, because we had the
combine and then we had the Draft, and nobody has
(01:00):
a bad draft. Everybody gets an Arab, right, nobody's got
a bad draft. And then we got OTAs. Oh who
these guys are amazing and I want to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's the summer of love. I saw this story this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Aaron Rodgers Blairs the headline and Mike Tomlin form a
unique Super Bowl partnership. Oki Doki, I saw another story.
Uh Bo Nicks is playing fast. Here's another one. One
of his teammates in Minnesota, says Jane J. McCarthy, who
(01:34):
has never played an official NFL regular season game, reminds
him of another quarterback.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
He understands that we have to build a family here
and that you know, he can't have unique results without
unique relationships that we believe in. And then man, he's
got some confidence and he reminds me of like Josh
Allen when I was with him in Buffalo, coming into
his own and understanding the power that he has to
lead this organization.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And he's doing a fantastic job doing that.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
JJ McCarthy reminds him of Josh Allen. Okay, that's a
little hot for me. Here's what's really gonna happen this
regular season, and all of us know.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It is that this league is now.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Because of rule changes, a seventy thirty quarterback coach league.
As great as Andy Reid is, he only started hoisting
trophies when he got Patrick Mahomes. Now it may be
a sixty five thirty five league quarterback coach. It may
be a seventy five twenty five, but it's about a
seventy thirty swing.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So if you have a star quarterback.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And he has at least a B coach, he's gonna
make the playoffs. If you have a really good quarterback
with an A coach, he's probably gonna make the playoffs.
So these are not my playoff predictions, but this is
what I believe makes the playoffs generally, either a star
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quarterback with a BE coach or better, or an a
coach with a really really good quarterback that is often
young and getting better. The first group, and my opinion
the five best quarterbacks in the NFL are Patrick Mahomes,
Matt Stafford, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow. I
know you don't love Zach Taylor, but he got to
a super Bowl. He's had a lot of big wins
(03:21):
for a young coach. I think he's bright. I don't
always love his clock management, but I didn't like Andy
Reid's before he had a great quarterback. I'm gonna go
they'll make the playoffs. The next group Jaden Daniels, Justin Herbert, C. J. Stroud, Hertz,
and golf. I know, I know Nick Seriani, don't love him,
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but if you win a Super Bowl, I gotta make
you a be coach. The team buys into him. And
then the third group, and it's mostly a group where
I love the coach. Jordan Love and Matt Lafleur, bo
Nix and Sean Payton, brock Perty and Kyle Shanahan and
Drake Mayon Vrabel. This group, I I generally like the quarter
I like the coach more.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Than the quarterback, but the quarterback is good enough. These
are not my playoff predictions, but mine are pretty darn
close to this. And my get now.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I don't have Donald or Baker or Gino and they're
really close or Caleb. Those guys were next in line.
You know who's not Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin because
Aaron's not close to his prime and Mike doesn't make
quarterbacks better. And as much as we talk about the
revelation of JJ McCarthy or or or the special relationship
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in Pittsburgh, this is an incredibly predictable league. And in
the AFC with the higher end quarterbacks, it's even easier.
Last couple of years, it's been a really easy conference
to predict division winners. Again, I had Donald close, and
I actually have Donald in the playoffs. Geno's close. I
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think he is Donald. I got Caleb close. Love is coach.
But by and large, all this Summer of Love, we
all kind of know what it's going to look like
by the first week of February. All right, So maybe
the biggest story of the week has been the Knicks
firing Tibbs. That was a couple of weeks ago, but
(05:21):
it's interesting yesterday. I'm here in some of the next
players like Jalen Brunson saying, hey, this guy deserves love.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Well, of course he does.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
But when you fire somebody. My wife used to work
in HR and I remember when I first met her
twenty years ago, and she said something. She had worked
in the hiring business. She said, overwhelmingly people fire themselves.
They know it's coming. Well, I don't think Tibbs knew
it was coming, and I don't think he fired himself.
(05:48):
And here's why I keep hearing this. You know, the
Knicks weren't creative enough offensively the Knicks. The Knicks made
some moves and didn't get better. So last year, at
this time, one calendar year, from today. They had Dante
deven Tenjo. They not only had him, he was their
number one three point shooter. They had Julius Randall, who
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was their number two playmaker behind Brunson, number two in scoring,
number two and assists. They also had Isaiah Hartenstein their
starting center, big time energy guy. So any team that
loses their best three point shooter in a three point
shooting league, their number two playmaker and a high energy
starting center, you would think, who boy, that's going to
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be rough. The Knicks were actually better in the regular season,
went further in the playoffs, and were actually slightly better
offensively in net ratings seven to five. It's like the
Knicks fired their trainer because they only lost twelve pounds
and they wanted to lose fifteen. Yeah, maybe your diet's
not good enough. That's why the TIBs thing has always
(06:55):
been about personnel. I like McHale Bridges, but he's not
consistent offense. I like Kat He's bad defensively, certainly not
as good as Hartenstein. So my take on this whole
thing is generally, and I think my wife was right,
people do fire themselves, right. They're inconsistent, they're not reliable.
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They're toxic. They're just not very good. But Tim's actually
one more games regular season, one more games in the playoffs,
and was slightly better offensively losing his number two playmaker,
is best three point shooter, and I would argue Hartenstein
is a more complete center than Robinson News all defense
or cat who's all offense. And Paul Pierce talked about
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this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
When you look at the likes of Indiana, when you
look at Boston and teams of that nature in the
Eastern Conference, these guys had depth and that's something that
the Knicks were front heavy. So I think he maxed
out the rosters. So I don't think a coach coming in.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
The roster.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
What the roster is the coach, it's not the coach.
You're gonna have to get more pieces for this team
to get over the hump.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
I don't care who you bring in.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
You can bring in Red all Back, you can bring
in Phil Jackson. This team maxed out.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And what's interesting is of all the teams that Kevin
Durant is rumored to be going to, there's four that
are getting mentioned. The Knicks are one of those teams,
meaning even New York Nick fans New York Knick media
and NBA insiders believe they could really use another catch
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and shoot guy. So you're acknowledging the personnel isn't quite right.
And beyond all of this is the fact that you
and I are watching the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
They've got more good players.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Miles Turner is a better rim defender than Robinson, in
a better center, better offensively. Pascal Sayakam to me, I
would rather have him on the floor than Kat Halliburton
to me, is a more complete guard than Jalen Brunson.
And they've got a couple of other players who shoot
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threes more consistently, it feels like to me than McHale Bridges.
Indiana's got better players. You could say, well they got
a better coach. Well, he's been fired twice too. So
when I look at Indiana and I look at the Knicks,
and the Knicks gave I mean the Knicks gave the
Pacers more trouble than Cleveland did, more trouble than Milwaukee did,
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and about the same level of trouble Oklahoma City is.
So if you start watching, I mean, remember that ball
that bounced high into the air and went in for
the Pacers. Some felt that was the difference in the
series for a while. So the tips thing is, it's
not just that the Knicks didn't have the next coach
in waiting. Is you're acknowledging it to personnel issue. That's
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why you want KD. They got better in the regular season,
better in the playoffs, and a slightly better net. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
That feels like a job promotion, not a pink slip.
All right, j MC, We've got a.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Lot of things going on today. You know tonight's game.
What's the number? In fact, I think it's okase. He's
a big favorite tonight, right.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Okay, see minus six Now it's dipped to five and
a half.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
In some spots.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Obviously, I'm shocked that the market didn't move yesterday when
I said I'm on the Pacers in Game four. But
you know whatever, I'm surprised you haven't picked the game yet.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I don't feel I'm not going to bet against Indiana here.
We both loved Indiana in Game three. Just think about
what could happen to night in American sports. Everybody, you know,
the people that cover this league in the locker rooms
day and day out. If you would have pulled the
coaches and the GMS. Nobody would have picked Indiana to
win the championship. They were not favored against first round
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of Milwaukee. Now, I think we both loved them over Milwaukee.
We thought it was a great matchup for them. I
didn't like him over Cleveland. You did New York, Indian.
I kind of liked Indiana, but it was slight, and
I liked Oklahoma City. Think about all the knowledge in
the NBA, the media, the coaches, the GMS, if you'd
have polled all of them, including the players. Remember Halliburton
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was voted the most overheted player. Nobody would have picked
the Pacers to win the championship. And if they win tonight,
they won't be up three to one. And I think
that the numbers are something like eighty eight percent ninety
two percent winning if they win that game, which by
the way, they have been the much better fourth quarter team.
Oklahoma City is clearly younger and not as good on
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the road, and Halliburton right now is once again, like
against Milwaukee, Cleveland and New York, controlling the pace of
the series.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Okay, see by the way, to eight against the spread
on the road have not covered one road game in
the postseason. Yet for some reason, everybody's obsessed with their
season long net rating. Everybody's got okay, see tonight, coll it.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I don't see it. Give me the Pacers once again.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Teams are thirty seven and one in the finals when
leading three to one. If Indiana wednesdaight, folks, What a
revelation that nobody in the league, no GM, I mean
outside of Indiana's group, nobody would have picked them, which
I guess. This is the NBA Adam Silver wanted. I
know the ratings aren't great, I find it interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
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Speaker 1 (12:28):
All right, you guys know him into the Shanor Sanders story,
OTA's mini camps. So Mary Kay Cabot's a really good,
award winning reporter in Cleveland through the years, probably last
ten fifteen years. If she says something or has insights,
I tend to kind of lean on that. It's a
very loud media market, so there's a lot of talk
radio is big there in sports radio. But I trust
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Mary Kay Cabot, not that I don't trust others, but
I know her. So she made an observation yesterday on
the Quarterback Tool that the coaching staff Kevin Stefanski again
a guy I really respect.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I think he's super bright. I really like him.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That he is giving Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett more
of the offense. That's why their completion percentage is down,
and that Shadeur Sanders is getting more layups. They're not
putting in quite the install with him. In her belief,
it's an observation, which is, you know, it's an opinion
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with information, is that basically the staff thinks Dylan Gabriel
and Kenny Pickett are closer to starting in terms of readiness,
Shadeur Sanders is number four. Now what it was kind
of fascinating to me, not since Tim Tebow and Johnny
Manziel have we had a rookie quarterback that people were
this divided on.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I didn't like Tebau. I didn't think he had the
release or the arm. I think I was right. I
didn't like Manzella. I didn't think he had the maturity.
I was absolutely right. I think in both instances, Chador
is mature enough. He's not disruptive, and I think his
arm and his release are fine. But it is interesting
to watch, you know, to watch the opinions on this.
People are absolutely taking sides. So now, if you're not
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a shador fan, there are two things that help your argument.
Number One, Brian Dabol had an interview with Shaduur, and
I think Brian's really sharp. I don't blame the giant
problems on Brian Dable. He may not be able to
fix the issues, but I don't think he's the leader
of the issues or the primary reason they went up
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to the whiteboard and Shadeur did not handle it well.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That would concern me.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
The second thing is Mary kay Cabot report is the
coaches are giving him the easiest route because he's fourth
in readiness. Well, he had a lot of college starts.
What are you waiting for? So I think that's fair.
But there's always been this. You hear this all the
time from business leaders that say, trust your got My
dad was an optometrist. I trust my eyes, and my
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eyes tell me that Kenny Pickett's not a start quarterback
in the NFL. And Dylan Gabriel is too small and
doesn't have the arm to be a starting quarterback. My
eyes tell me that Joe Flacckele right now is the
best quarterback in shadeor Sanders is number two. And so
that's what my eyes tell me. And I watched Dylan
Gabriel in college and I thought that's a hell of
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a college quarterback at Oklahoma and Oregon. I never thought
of him as a franchise quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I didn't think he could. I thought he was too small.
So my eyes tell.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Me Shador is bigger, at least has as good an arm,
has escapability, and it's just a more natural athlete. Here's
Kevin Stefanski on Schadeur's progress so far.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
I said, right behind him, Joe is to my left,
to Shador's left, And to see those two bounced ideas
off of each other is hilarious. You know, Joe will
say a few things and I'll be like, Joe Chadour
wasn't born. He wasn't born then. So it's just he's
got great energy, great kid, working his tail off in
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any playing really well too.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
All right, there you go. So I'm just telling you
what I saw. And I've said this about Jackson Dart
when I watch a guy in college. And I've done
this forever. Sometimes I turn the sound down. I just
want to watch him, just a visual watch. That's it,
just visual. I don't want to hear announcers. I don't
want any bias. Let me watch a guy. Do they
look and feel like a starting quarterback in the NFL?
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Shaduor Sanders did to me. Daniel Jones did not to me.
Zach Wilson did not to me.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You know, I.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Marcus Marioto was a very very good college quarterback. I
never quite thought that was gonna work. But with Shadur,
I just my eyes tell me it's gonna work.
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Speaker 1 (17:50):
With that, Chris Peterson is joining us live Fox Sports
college football analysts.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
You know it's funny about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I was talking about Caleb earlier, and I was a
big fan of Caleb, and I went to dinner last
night with the Bears president and I said, I said
he was magical for the first year at USC and
the first six games of the second And I said
then that Notre Dame game happened. He got sacked six times.
And I think Lincoln Riley and Caleb lost trust in
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the old line and he got into really bad habits.
And I thought last year in Chicago the coaching staff
didn't correct those habits. From what you've seen of Caleb,
the stuff we like about him, Chris is pretty obvious.
Are there things you've looked at and that if you
coached him, you would be like, Hey, I got to
clean this up with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 11 (18:38):
I haven't studied them calling as much as you have,
but I'll say this. You know, one of the harder
guys for me to ever coach in my career has
been scrambling quarterbacks that are really athletic and their legs
are as much of a weapon as their arm is,
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because there's such a fine line between when you should
take off and when you should hang in, and it's
one of those things like no no no no, yes yes, yes,
yes and so and then you lose trust in your
O line. Well you know what's gonna happen. So you
know this guy is a phenomenal talent. But I think
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at the NFL level, one of those superpowers that these
guys have to have is their pocket presence. There needs
to be an instinct in there. They need to be
trained in there, and really to be one of the
elite guys, they have to be elite in the pocket.
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I mean, if you just go back to the Tom Brady,
who you know can't run it all, couldn't run it all.
I mean that guy was so phenomenal in the pocket.
I mean that was his superpower in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
So Shador is not a runner. You've seen plenty of him.
He's he's more like Kirk to me. He's got his calm,
could be Kirk Cousins and maybe a little more movement.
Is there something? Give me what you liked about him
and something you saw as an analyst and thought that
that's a little that's concerning.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Yeah, well I did like him a lot.
Speaker 11 (20:17):
I saw flashes where you saw the arm, talent, the anticipation,
I mean, the accuracy, So all those things you did see.
I mean at Colorado there was a I put together
a highlight one time in Washington.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I was like, oh man, this guy's got something.
Speaker 11 (20:32):
But then going back to our conversation, we just had
the weakness that I thought he had was pocket presence.
Like Chador to me, is athletic, but he's not very fast,
certainly by NFL standards. So he is going to have
to like minimize what we're seeing on tape right here
and learn to get really good in that pocket. And
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if he does and gets comfortable there, which is a
big f I think he can be really good.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So this next question, I got a lot of pushback
apparently on this. Thank god, I don't really read my
phone or email, but I got a lot of pushback.
I said, listen, college football has pivoted to the playoff
and the responsibility of Ryan Day is to get to
that playoff. And it's like college basketball. Tom Izzo's job
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at Michigan State. Get to March. I don't care. You
can lose to your rival. You'll keep your job if
you get into the sweet sixteen in March. Those checks
keep getting cashed. And so I look at Lincoln Riley
and I say to myself, he didn't get to play
Oregon State anymore, or Washington State, or cow or Arizona.
Now it's Ohio State it's going to be on the
(21:43):
docket and Michigan and Penn State. The travel's worse, the
weather's worse, and also the two teams, the three teams
that followed him to the Big Ten are Oregon, Washington
and his rival So I can see Lincoln in USC going. Guys,
we'll play Notre Dame occasionally early in the season.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
We don't want to have.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
An annual November game, and I defend blowing up that rivalry.
Urban Meyer doesn't like it. But from a coaching standpoint,
how does it land for you potentially not making that
a regular game.
Speaker 11 (22:23):
I get one hundred percent where the Trojans are coming from.
Now do I like that for the greater good of football?
Absolutely not, No one does it loves college football. That's
one of the most historic riberries in all of college football.
So it's like, wait, what what are you doing? But
I get it because you said it. It is about
(22:44):
getting to the college football playoffs, And you know, I
actually like the selection committee.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
I kind of like that subjectivity.
Speaker 11 (22:55):
But one thing that I do think has been a
little bit skewed with that is strength of schedule. They
always talk about that, but when it push comes to
shove in my mind.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
When I look about who they put.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
In, they lean very heavily on the wins and losses,
maybe more so than the strength of schedule. You know,
I look at the March madness like you were talking about,
and you know, they have all these metrics and no
one seems to debate those on strength of schedule and
R and PI and all those type of things. And
I think if college football brought that a little bit
(23:31):
more into the game with the committee, I think it
could make for a good formula.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So listen, most college football coaches, yourself potentially included, are.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
They love tradition of it. And there's a lot of movement.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
There's the playoff, there's the nil, there's the transfer portal. Now,
the thing that bothers me more than everything is the
transfer portal. Because my take is I don't mind if
you transfer. I don't like it transferred three times. First
of all, I actually don't think it's good for the kid.
I think you have to fight through bad situations in life,
and if it was up to me, I would say,
(24:07):
you get a transfer, but you can't transfer more than once.
Over eighteen months. That'll give you about two in college.
You don't get a transfer every year. And you could say, well,
coaches leave, they don't leave every eighteen months. That's not
the way it works. And coaches, by the way, are bosses.
Players are employees. My bosses at Fox get things that
I don't get. That's the name of the game. But
if I said to you what needs more tweaking going forward,
(24:31):
the transfer portal or the NIL?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
What scares you a little bit? What worries you more?
Speaker 11 (24:38):
Colin, if I'm hearing you right, are you trying to
lobby to be the commissioner of college football?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Because I think we take you. I think we would.
Speaker 11 (24:46):
I mean, here's the thing about what's going on, and
I think most fans understand this. There's a lot of
good information out there. There's a lot of logic some
of the things you're talking about. The problem is everything's
getting sued right now, and the lawsuits are not over yet,
even though the House settlement's coming down and it gives
(25:07):
us a little more structure, but who knows how that's
gonna last. But there's no question you know the NIL.
I think every most people in the game, the coaches,
the players, they get the NIL. I think everybody's on
board with that. There's no question. It's the transfer portal
and the tampering and you know a guy going to
(25:27):
five schools in five years and all, and it's you're right,
it's not better for the kids in the long run.
There's just no real structure to it.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
And I'll tell you me.
Speaker 11 (25:36):
Being not on the sidelines, my whole heart and souls
into the greater good of college football. And it's just
like I worry. I talk to so many fans like
you do. They're getting so fed up with the college game.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
You know.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
It's like I've heard so many people like I'm out,
I'm not renewing my tickets, I'm done with college football.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
And it's because of.
Speaker 11 (26:00):
For a lot of these longtime fans, they have a
hard time wrapping their mind around paying the players.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
That ship is sailed.
Speaker 11 (26:07):
I think they can get over that. But what they
don't want to do is pay these players and then
have them leave every year. You don't even know who
the players are. And I think you're feeling that even
more so in college basketball. To me, college basketball problems
are always a couple of years in front of football,
the extremness of it, and you're seeing.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
That and call.
Speaker 11 (26:27):
You know, I used to be the biggest college basketball
fan and I can't even folly college basketball. So I
know that's coming in college football unless we put some
guardrails on this thing.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
So I hope it gets worked out sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, And I also think if you the transfer portal
is one of those things. It's like in life, Oh,
I make more money, I'm happier. Where more money, more problems.
And I look at the transfer portal and you say, oh,
I'm going to go buy I can go buy a
starting corner. Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley, Dion Sanders. A lot
of these programs that brought in heavy transfers, their chemistry
is no good. So I still like Deebo Samuel Davo
(27:03):
Sweeney this year is gonna have a great team. He
doesn't believe in the portal in the nil, So I
still believe you have to build through high schools.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Okay, I want.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I want to go to this article with Sean McVay
and if you haven't read it, folks, it's just great.
And basically Sean was going through a personal crisis a
couple of years ago and you reached out to him
and said, hey, I know what you're going through. Sean
McVay is one of those people that I remember the
(27:31):
first time I saw him at the podium, I was like,
how old is he?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
He should be a president?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
When you when with your conversations with Sean McVay, have
you ever met a coach maybe at that age, especially,
what to you is the secret sauce to him? Because
I think there's an argument even with Andy Reid, he
is the best coach in America right now. You can
argue college or probly maybe the best coach in the world.
(27:58):
What jumped out to you as a veteran coach.
Speaker 11 (28:01):
With him, Colin, I think you're exactly right. I think
this might be the best coach in the world. I mean,
and I'll tell you why. The guy is truly a
football savant. I can't tell you the type of mind
he has, how he remembers things, plays. You know, we've
(28:22):
been talking for a couple of years, Things that I
said to him, you know, years back, that he'll bring up.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
And I'm thinking I said that he doesn't forget anything.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
So this guy truly knows offense defense inside and out.
He could be a world class defensive coordinator. So he
truly is the best in terms of x's and o's,
as good as anyone that I've certainly encountered. But to me,
what makes him so special is, you know, before he's
(28:54):
what thirty eight, he won a super Bowl, been to
another one, and has the humility to say, yeah, this
isn't working so well. You know, all those things that
we've been after our whole life isn't feeling exactly how
it should feel. And for him at that point to
(29:14):
say I need to figure some things out and then
make the changes, it is phenomenal. Like this guy is
an inspiration to me and and and I can't wait
till more coaches get to hear him talk, because, first
of all, most coaches that are in the hot seat
in in in their current positions aren't going to talk
about being miserable and how hard this is.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
They're just not They're not going to go there.
Speaker 11 (29:39):
Sean Will, he's that secure, he's that he has that
type of humility, and it's just also and then for
him to go and work to change his own game,
it's just really like nothing I've ever seen. And so
he's an inspiration across you know, in terms of the
(30:00):
total package of like because it's that thing, like you
know when you talk about change and you know it's
that cartoon you ask, Hey, who thinks we need to change?
And everybody raises their hand, and then the next question is, Okay,
who wants to change?
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Nobody's gonna raise their hand, right.
Speaker 11 (30:17):
I mean, the hardest thing we have to do in
life is probably change ourselves.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
And this guy is full on embrace that.
Speaker 11 (30:25):
And so for a guy that's accomplished as much as
he has, as smart as he is, to have the
humility the self awareness to go, I need to change
some of these things to help myself.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
And this pro it has been.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
It's an inspiration and I can't wait for more people
to really figure out and listen to Sean talk.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Chris Peterson one of my absolute favorites. Fourteen years as
a head coach Boise State for eight, Washington for six,
Coach of the Year, two time a Bear Brian Award winner.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
We love having him at Fox.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Azola's coach and I appreciate you on a I imagine
drizzly day in Seattle once again joining our show.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
I appreciate you, Colin. It's great to talk to you.
And how many days do we actually have.
Speaker 11 (31:08):
You know, college football is kind of a train wreck
outside of the Saturdays, but on Saturdays.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Absolutely it's a little messy, a little chaotic.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Chris Peterson great stuff, Fox Sports.
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