July 13, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin is back! He reflects on his time off and explains why sports are great and politics can be so frustrating
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, welcome back. It is great to have you in
live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. First of all, tip of
the cap. Thank you Danny Parkins. Ashley Brewer filled in
last couple of days. Totally appreciate that. Jordan Schultz filling
in for jmackrest of the week. How are things my
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man doing great?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Not as good as Rhode Island, though.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Rhode Island was wonderful, but it is good to be back.
And it got me thinking I would have every day
to myself in the mornings, I'd go take the new
dog go out, and it got me thinking about why
I love sports and talking to a lot of people
in Rhode Island. One of the things I was listening
to Sports Radio in Boston for a couple of days.
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One of the things I love about sports the pressure,
the adult conversations. It's not too mean to talk about
somebody's age. There's a lot of pressure and you gotta
win now. I was thinking outside of Andy Reid, Sean mcvaigh,
Jim Harbaugh, and Matt Lafleur, four coaches in the entire sport.
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If any other coach had a bad season, they're in
big trouble. Kyle Shanahan has a losing record. Without Christian McCaffrey,
that roster go seven to ten. You don't think there's
heat on Kyle Shanahan. What about John Harbaugh? They wanted
to run him out of town three years ago. You
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think they finished third or fourth in that division. There's
not heat even the rookie coaches. You get off to
a bad start by Thanksgiving. Uh oh, we got the
wrong guy. You can even make the criticism in sports personal.
Pete Carroll, though he has the energy of a seventeen
year old after a bag of skittles, you know he
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is in his seventies. That's an adult conversation. Not a
lot of coaches got into their seventies and were at
their best. Bill Belichick six rings even named a vote
after it. He feels a bit like a dinosaur. You
can have those conversations. Brian Dable not only got Daniel
Jones of the playoffs, he won a game with Daniel Jones.
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You want a game he goes six and eleven, he
probably gets fired, and I think he's a great coach.
That's what's great about sports. That's not the downside. Five
of the last eight NBA Coaches of the Year got
fired from the team they won the award. Expectations adult
conversations when now you're paid a lot. Yet in the
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Democratic Party it's considered agist, harsh, mean to have discussions
about Joe Biden's age, his mental acuity. I don't know.
It feels like the president's a fairly important job. I
read that people were caught off guard by his regression.
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You don't have iPhones, grow up, have a real conversation.
People are having conversations and questioning it four years ago.
But in politics, I'm uncomfortable. Not in sports. Not in sports.
Dak Prescott, you make Patrick Mahomes money, win more when
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it counts. I love Lamar Jackson. Another stinker in the playoffs,
time for real heat. Sean McDermott keeps winning his division.
I'm sorry, Josh Allen's too good not to end up
in Super Bowls. Those aren't the downsides to it. It's
why I defended vigorously the Angel Reese Caitlin Clark discussions.
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The girls could handle it. The women were fine. It
was all the fragile sports media asking weird, dorky questions
and being uncomfortable with it. The women were great. Caitlin's
going to be fine. Angel Reese is crushing it, and
you should push back on fragile sports media if they're
outraged by things that are happening to everybody. I enjoy
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politics every four years, but the reason I love sports
is accountability and adult conversations and debate at home on
a show in a bar, real people talking about real things,
pressurized situations. Don't let sports become politics again. Five of
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the last eight NBA head coaches Gonzo, we want more,
Dak Prescott. Yes, you win twelve games a year, just
none when it matters. So that's my takeaway. Seventeen days
off sports has some politics in it. Let's never let
it become politics. I like what it is now and
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sometimes it's harsh and tough and almost mean and a
little rude, and we debate sometimes over a beer and
what I love about sports and what drives me crazy
about politics. I'm sorry for the last four years. I
don't watch a lot of TikTok, but I either have
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singing goats or Joe Biden gaffs. It's okay to talk
about it. Really, the democracy thing, it's kind of important.
The other thing that was notable to me. I don't
know why it gets people worked up, but man, unless
they had a half dozen people ask me about this,
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they were talking about it coast to coast on sports radio. Colin,
what do you make a Brownie James being drafted? I
don't know. Isn't it kind of an understanding in America?
You do me well, I owe you a solid that's
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like a given right. I take you to the airport
you're buying the next dinner. I help you move, I
get a little something something back like that's the American way.
Lebron James has carried the NBA for twenty years. He
didn't he didn't have a long playoff run this year.
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Did you see the NBA ratings as every other sport, WNBA, COPA,
Euros college football, up up, up up up, NBA ratings,
ew tank no Lebron. He carried the Lakers, not a
well run franchise for six years, got him a title,
number one brand in the league. Carried the Cavs for
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eleven years. They've never mattered except when he played there.
Got him a title. You owe me dinner, if I
help you move, if I carry your sport, get you
a new TV contract worth seven billion. You got a
problem with Bronnie James getting drafted by the Lakers. It's
the weakest NBA draft and maybe ever. In fact, what's
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funny is the Milwaukee Bucks thirty picks earlier drafted a
kid out of Australia that played eight minutes a game
in Australia and average less than Bronni. It shows how
polarizing Lebron James is. I had more people ask me
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about that on the East Coast. My takeaway is you're
really bothered by it. Let me ask you this. Let's
say you've done well in your life and you have
a favorite steakhouse in your small, middle size or big town,
and you go to that steakhouse or the Aposta joint
and you buy a lot of wine. For years, you
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spend a lot of money at that steakhouse. You know
what I mean. You've taken a lot of business dinners
at that steakhouse. You didn't have to, you chose to,
don't you. After a few years feel like you get
a little better poor on that pino, Maybe get you
a better table. Damn straight, you do, and so do I.
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We all have expectations, we seek favors. We all get
a little entitled if we give you something. Lebron James
has carried the league for twenty years. He and Steph
Curry have carried the league. Neither made a playoff run.
This year, ratings went to the tank as everything else is.
The COPA and the Euros are going through the roof
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NBA with a lot of good players. Global Sport taped
no Lebron, no Steph. Yeah, I'm okay. In the weakest
draft ever, the Lakers going, we'll do you solid in
the five previous years before Lebron got to the Lakers,
I could be wrong on this. I think that the
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worst record in the league. They were a circus. They
were leaking everywhere. He won him a title, got him
to another Western Conference finals in the weakest draft ever.
His son, who by the way, I think his son's
a G leaguer. I think at best he's a low
end rotational player. But this draft was horrible. After the
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thirty sixth or thirty seventh pick, you can argue it's
a G league draft. I'm not losing sleep over it,
and nor should you. Here was Lebron on the selection.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Now, let's say it has a dream come true for me,
see my son to be able to you know, be
in the NBA loan and then it's always been a
dream of his and for us to be a side
by side.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
It's a lot of wards of lost giatus.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I don't know many kid has worked so hard to
get back to this point. There's just so much has
happened over the last year with him. To have this
happen less than a year from his accident, to be
with our friends and our family. When he announced his name,
it was something that was super surreal.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
By the way, how many sons who aren't qualified or
at minimum aren't the best candidate end up on their
father's staffs in the NFL or college. Nobody gets too
worked up over that. There's other far more qualified candidates.
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I think it's something about America that it's understood, and
I'm okay with it. You do me as solid. I
got dinner, you help me move. Maybe I'm going through
a tough time emotionally and you're there for me. I
owe you. I mean, how many owners take over for
their parents that actually live up to expectations. Not many
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will start with that. Don't get worked up over it.
It's the world we live in. Inspect your own life,
put a microscop on it, and if you really thought
about the things you expect after you help others at
a favorite restaurant, we all do it. It's okay. It's
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not worth losing fifteen minutes of sleepover all right. We
got all sorts of stuff. Klay Thompson that got very
touchy feely. The Yankees are a mess. The NFC, I
thinks better than people think. And there were two NBA
free agent moves I wasn't here. One I thought was stupendous,
better than every other move, and one loss I think
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really will be punitive for a team. So we'll talk
about that. Jordan Schultzen today, j Max somewhere in the world,
he's abroad. I believe it's great to be back. Hoped,
hope to have you interested here for the next several hours.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 5 (12:36):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day, TV or radio.
Jalen Johnson, big personality, Bears corner. He's the highest graded
cornerback in the NFL last year. Great young player just
signed a big fat contract. Alexi Lawless. We'll talk about
Greg Berhalter being fired. Yeah, I was just looking this
up Team USA. So we go to COPA and Copa
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the fields aren't FIFA regulated and so those fields were
fifteen feet shorter and twelve feet narrower, and so the
style of the Copa tournament was a little grittier. And
that's not who we are now. So I didn't think
we set ourselves up to success for that. That tournament
wasn't built for us. I think we're more European, more
skillful play wider at which the FIFA will regulate. You know,
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we're gonna get to the World Cup. We got to
the World Cup.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Last time with a bunch of kids, and we're gonna
get there, and we're gonna get out of the you know,
we're gonna We're gonna be in the final sixteen. We're
gonna get out of the group stage. But I do
think the World Cup and it plays better to our
style than COPA necessarily does. Although COPA didn't have nearly
the talent and we got a red card against Panama.
We played a man down played with ten not ideal.
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So Berholz takes the fall. We weren't generating a notch
of enough good quality looks. But I've said this before.
This is what I talked about with the Olympics. The
Olympics in the World Cup are very political. The NFL,
the NBA, Baseball, MLS is see politics once in a while,
but not really. The Olympics are political. FIFA is political,
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and so Caitlin Clark put her on the team. Yeah,
it's good politics. Put Caitlin Clark on the team. Jalen
Brown is not on the United States. He's not on
this this current Olympic team because the Nike story, the
two guys aren't on this team. That should be Kyrie
Irving and Jalen Brown one drop by Nike one not
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a Nike guy. It's political. Jalen Brown's the finals MVP
in Eastern Conference MVP. So as we come back and
circle around on this, when I said, get Caitlin Clark
on the team. She's better than Diana uh drossy right now,
she's better, younger, better, and if you look at her
numbers over the last ten games, Caitlin was good. Now
she's better, she's getting better, she's getting better. She should
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be on the Olympic team. And if for no other reason,
then it's good politics. The men's teams a great example,
and Greg Berhalter being ousted GEO Arena disputes there, it's
all political and I understand it. FIFA. I mean, go
look where the Olympics end up, Soshi putin, Look look
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look where Look where Olympics end up. Look where World
Cups end up. There's a lot of money exchanging hands
that you later find out about or often don't. And
in this situation, it's politics. So they had to come
out of this thing. Roaring and and you know, be
in the finals of Copa and it didn't happen. The
red card heard him in a crucial game against the Panamanians.
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So you know, it happens. But I've just lived in
a world where it's always the coach's fault. It was
Bruce Arena Kleinsman. Now it's Greg Burholter. We never look
and you know, the NBA's a little like this. It's
always fired the coach. The NBA is constant. Five of
the last eight NBA Coaches of the Year have been
fired from the team they won the award on five
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of the last eight because it's always blame the coach
outside of a Steve Kerrrispultra. By the way, Tim's in
New York. If they go to the playoffs next year
and fall apart again physically because of you know, the
minutes he plays as starters, Tim's will be going He'll
be in big trouble. I mean he comes with a
you know, a caution label to begin with. But the
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point is with Verhalter, some of this is performance, some
of it's politics, and that's the reality. And I'm you know,
I'm I'm you know, I get it. But it's soccer
and basketball. You never you never look at the player.
James Harden, it's not his fault, it's the coach. Ben
Simmons is one of the few examples of we blame
the player. Yeah, but it's usually the coach.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I thought what Rachel said was illuminating in terms of
Jalen Brown deserving it. It's unlikely that it's going to
matter in terms of the medal, winning the gold medal,
but Jalen Brown with what he just did on the
heels of winning a finals MVP and winning a title.
With all the respect to Derek White, who's a really
good player, we know you like him. Everyone likes Derek White.
Jalen Brown's a better player. Yes, so he he's earned
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the right to be there, especially if he said publicly,
I want to it's an honor for me.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
But this is something I hit on day after day
after d after day. Olympic basketball teams, the first five
or six great players, it's not political. You get to
the middle, in the back end of the roster, it's
shoe companies, it's who's the coach. Thomas no Isaiah Thomas
in ninety two and Christian Laytner's on it. Okay, that's
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why Caitlin Clark needs to be on it. So Dom
just get her on the team. What are we doing here?
So people got WNBA got very precious, women's basketball got
a very precious, very insular. We know what we're doing.
Not really, you've never made money. Maybe you should listen, right, Like,
just understand the United States men's national team, there's some
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politics here. And understand with the Olympic basketball teams. Jalen
Brown not on the team. There's some politics here. Isaiah
Thomas not on it, Christian Laytner on it. There's politics here.
So I thought this was interesting. Shade or Sam Deon
Sanderson is going to be in the NFL. He's playing
for Colorado for one more year. I think he's talented,
but the more he talks, the less I like him.
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And I've said this before about Johnny Manzel or Baker Mayfield.
Your personality at quarterback in college matters, and by the
way I talk to GMS, it matters to them too.
Cam Newton came out, Johnny Manzel, Baker Mayfield a lot
of hutzba, a lot of ego. It turns off a
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lot of people. Shadeur Sanders h we've reached a point here,
We've reached a line where he should just talk less
and not be up front as much because I think
it could hurt his draft stock, because I do think
he's really talented. And I will say this, he went
out talking about how tough it is to be, you know,
at Colorado because you know, they're a super Bowl for everybody,
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everybody's super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
So I'm really good. I always stay love ahead of
his they ground it because I just I would never
want to be that guy look back and not being
able to take a ben as at a moment that
we have right now.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So you're not everybody's super Bowl. Your last six games
last year you winzer for six, You're over under in
Vegas is five and a half and the toughest game
in your schedule is Utah. Uh, You're getting to it.
I'm feeling there's a there's a threshold here, and I
think we're moving into the delusion threshold. And I do
think I'm not going to tell anybody how to parent.
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But Shadu or Sanders is it's like the opposite of
the Alabama dynasty. A lot of talking and no production. Alabama.
Nick did the talking, nobody else talked and all sorts
of production. And that's why Alabama guys get drafted. They're coachable,
you know, they don't they don't come, they're not flammable.
When they get to the NFL, they have they've been coached.
They've been coached hard. Uh. And it's not about the personality.
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This is not the NBA or international soccer. It's football.
Nobody's interested in your personality. Once you get into the
league and you're a perfer, we're all for it. But
when you're in college to the pros, be very careful.
It can absolutely be part of the quarterback evaluation. I mean,
Caleb Williams was getting heat because he painted his fingernails.
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He never said anything that would get him in trouble.
He never really did anything on the field that would
get him into trouble. But people push back on the fingernails.
Some people I thought stupidly pushed back because he embraced
his mom after a tough loss that was judged fingernail paint.
So it's very interesting. Garnering attention does not equal draft
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status elevated like a lot of people draw attention. Lindsay
Lohan and Paris Hilton got a lot of attention. It
doesn't mean you're formidable or authentic or appealing, like like
I do think Colorado is getting into a weird spot
where it's a lot of talking and now I want
to see production, like I was four Dion and the Spotlight,
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because you know, football recruiting, Colorado's invisible. So I do
think Dion, you know, I thought about it. I remember
the time he got hired. My initial thought was this
is weird fit. And then over the weekend I'm like, well,
he'll get him attention. Recruiting's attention. Nobody knows who where
Colorado's you know, on the map of college football. They're
up in the mountain somewhere. Oh this will work, but
at some point you got to deliver on it. You
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got to deliver on the talk or stop talking. And
I think I worry about Shadeur Sanders. Is he is
now front and center of the program. You are not
everybody's super Bowl. You may finish eighth in the Big Twelve,
which is not a viable conference that he wore now
that Texas and Oklahoma have left is not very viable.
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So we'll see. It's just It's like the financial bros
on Twitter. If you really know finances, you're probably not
spending time lecturing people on Twitter. You're just a Twitter bro,
a financial Twitter bro like Colorado needs to to me
pull back a little on the exposure because according to
the recruiting sides that the nil, they've been actually pretty
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successful on it. Their their line play, They've elevated line play.
And I do hope Colorado wins. I think it's a
great story. I like stories, and I do think Shader
Sanders is really talented. I think he's really talented. But
I've spent my thirty years doing this, and most general
managers do not want their quarterbacks to be big personalities
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and on message boards and dropping bombs. And Colorado's at
a really weird point going into this college football season.
The attention in year one was great, but they were
bad down the stretch, and that means, hey, you can
say what you want. But I think the story of
college football outside of the top four or five teams,
the Colorado story is getting really really interesting is that
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they're the most talked about team that doesn't win any games.
And I don't know if that's a great spot and
Shoudar comes there whatever he wants. I mean, if you
get asked questions, you can say what you want. But
it's I've watched my entire career. Bill Parcells used to
have a rule, do not draft celebrity quarterbacks. Now that's impossible.
Now they're all celebrities. They have nil money, so he
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can't say that anymore. Chador is going to be a star,
and he's really talented, like really talented, but it is there.
I feel with Colorado football like they're making the news
for the wrong stuff. Now they got to start making
the news for the football stuff and then winning the
games thing.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I think last year I wonder if they almost hurt
themselves expectation wise. They opened, you know, they beat tcuh's
coming off a national championship appearance. They start off really hot,
shard Or looks like a Heisman candidate, and the expectation
is now, all of a sudden, this is the top
fifteen team and then they hit rock Bodis.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Does it changes when you're an underdog, Yeah, Shador Sanders
is a cool story in an underdog. Well, he goes
into this drive this next season.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Is one of the premier players in the country.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Absolutely he may be the most he may be the
most talented quarterback. So it's very different. You go from
a cubicle to the corner office at work, different things
are expected. Shadur goes from I mean last year we
had like six legitimate NFL quarterbacks. He's a page three
of the sports section story. Oh no, he's the lead
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story in college football in terms of quarterback talent. I
think he's the most talented quarterback. I think the kid
at Penn State is really good where he got. I
don't think he's as good as Shadure. But it's going
to be interesting because Dion wants the promotion, wants the headlines.
He's good at creating them. So is Shadure. But dude,
you are now arguably potentially the number one pick. It's
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gonna be fascinating to watch the personality thing here work.
You want to make headlines for the right reasons. Colorado
is nobody's super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
But I think they can win eight games. They had
a terrible offensive line last year. They got the number
one prospect offensive lineman coming in. They also have Travis Hunter,
who's a potential top five pick as well.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
So they have two.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
But their defense was high school.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, but they've improved it. To your point. A lot
of guys left in the portal, but they also brought
in a lot of guys. I think they're gonna be
better this year.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I hope. So, so what would be successful? Seven wins?
Eight wins? Oh? I think if they won eight win games,
I think you'd feel great about Okay, But what the
more interesting part to me isn't just Colorado. It's Chadur
may be the best quarterback in college football now outside
of the Ohio State, Oregon, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma's you know,
the big boy talk and the twelve team playoff. Shadur's
gonna be a big story and it's gonna be fascinating
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to watch him being because he's gonna have microphones in
his face all year. He can be the number one
pick potentially.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah. I've had teams tell me though. How he handles
it this year, the media year, too, is really what's
going to determine.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
There's no question. This is not a criticism, this is
a reality. He is going to be the Caleb Williams.
I mean, look at the Caleb Williams nonsense criticism for
nail polish this is nonsense became a real story.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
It did. And also he didn't want to speak to
the media, you know after the Utah game was criticism.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
About that, I mean for not talking right.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I think Sanders to your point, Colin, I really he's
a special talent.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Oh, I think he's true. He's got all of it.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It's just now, how do you handle all the pressure
of being the hunt?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
From page three to page one, Caleb was a star
of the high school. Shador's gone. From page three. He
is now the lead story page one. It's gonna be fascinating.
He's got a microphone in his face all season. I
can't wait to watch it. Jalen Johnson's Around the Corner
Chicago Bears. Also Alexi Lawless what to make of what
happened with the men's team?
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Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yee, it is a Fried day. It is great to
be here live in Los Angeles. It's the herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Jordan Schultz in
tow today as usual. Blake Korum, the Michigan Wolverine rookie,
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stops by today. Danny Parkins, who filled in for me,
great Chicago radio voice, stopping by Sam Smith, longtime NBA writer.
We got the Summer League, we got the Olympic team,
and tomorrow the Baltimore Ravens open their camp for the rookies.
So this is sort of the last day for sports
talk radio in America. Without heavy NFL from this point forward,
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that's the thing that moves in. It's a lot of
NFL talk. But I thought, Jeordan, I'm gonna start today
with an NFL topic. Okay, we're gonna start with an
NFL topic today. So Aaron I saw him in a
golf tournament, Aaron Rodgers yesterday at a golf tournament. And
because Aaron was always a very very polarizing player, because
he was good looking and kind of cocky, and he
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replaced Farv and he's always been polarizing. Then he comes
in with strong political opinions and vaccine opinions. Now he's
like wildly crazy polarizing. I got no problem with that.
I don't care. I can disagree with him on his
politics and his vaccine I don't care. A real talented guy.
But Mark Schlareth was, you know, on his personal podcast
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talking about like at Thanksgiving, there's a grown up table
and a kids table, and if you're talking all the
time great quarterbacks, Aaron would be at the kids table,
and that'll be viewed as anti Aaron. But one of
the reasons I didn't buy into Aaron going to the
Jets and changing the world is I view Aaron as
almost and I felt like this with Odell Beckham junior.
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He's almost an NBA brand that he wins awards. He's
aesthetically pleasing. He got very rich, but I don't consider
him an all time great team guy. In football is
our team sport. And here's a great example. So Aaron's
early career, he sits on the venture three years behind
a legend, and his rookie year he's six and ten.
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So if you take his prime years from year five
in Green Bay, got a slower start and to year
seventeen where he won MVP. Because people tend to Michael Jordan,
nobody remembers the Wizard years. We don't talk about the
years he got beat by Boston and Detroit. We go
to your prime years. So let's go to Aaron's thirteen
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years of prime football. He had twenty one playoff games,
eleven and ten, lost several times at home as a favorite.
He lost at home to old Tom Brady, Jimmy Garoppolo,
Colin Kaepernick. In twenty one playoff starts, he had one
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come from behind win. Brady had nine times that Mahomes
is just going into his prime. He's got five times
that Aaron was always as a quarterback, a front runner
when the weather was good, when things were good, when
he had a lead. These aren't opinions, these are facts.
In thirteen years he had one playoff run. He's very
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much an NBA star where he's esthetically pleasing, he's pretty
to watch. He got rich, he's got a big brand.
But if you look at the all time great quarterbacks,
you gotta do better than one trip to a Super
Bowl in thirteen years. Marino and Aaron are are kind
of those guys we look at and go. You had
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good coaches, you had stability, you had good offensive lines.
What the hell happened? I was looking this morning at
Super Bowl appearances for many of the great quarterbacks. Brady
had ten, l Way five, Montana four, bratch Off four,
Peyton Manning four, Stawback four, Jim Kelly, Aikman big, Ben,
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Kurt Warner Tarkenton three four. Aaron had won. And remember
he played in the mostly weak division where the Bears
and the Lions were always a mess and Minnesota was
never great, So he got home field a lot. Green
Bay also has a decided home field advantage because it's
the coldest place in the league. Outside of Buffalo. He
had two offensive coaches, three if he count his first
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coach as a rookie. He always had good offensive lines
and the Packers are always stable. They're never a tire fire.
Maybe some years the defense isn't as good as we think.
So in thirteen years of prime, he was a five
hundred playoff quarterback, twenty one games, one come from behind
playoff win. That's what he is. So why don't you
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buy into the Jets? I don't like their off offensive line,
and I almost thought Aaron was kind was kind of
an Aaron guy and not necessarily a fox hole guy.
He's not Mahomes who plays from behind as well as
he plays with the leade. He's not Brady who's better
in his biggest games. He doesn't have the intellect of
Manning or the size and the mobility of Big Ben.
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He's not eightman, the leader, or as tough as Bradshaw.
It's not a criticism, it's just my eyes. So you know,
when everybody looks at Aaron Rodgers and the opinions like
why don't I buy the Jets? Well, because Josh Allen's
a significantly more focused quarterback in his prime, bigger stronger, faster.
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Josh Allen's a much better quarterback than Aaron. The criticism
of Aaron old quarterbacks coming off surgeries with dubious offensive
lines don't do well in this league. So you know,
in the NBA, Tracy McGrady can never get in his
prime to a second round of the playoffs. You're a
Hall of James Harden Westbrook playoff disappointment after disappointment, Kawhi
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Leonard's never available. They'll all make the Hall of Fame.
Mellow was selfish, not in good shape, didn't play defense.
Hall of Fame first ballot. But Aaron's to this point,
Aaron's going to brag about a high passer rating. It's excellent,
But that's not the kind of thing you put your
grandkids on your knee and go, hey, you want to
hear about dad's touchdown to interceptions splits. Aaron just didn't
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win us with stability, weak division, home field, weather advantage,
offensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You know what enough.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
So if you wonder why I don't buite it to
the Jets, I've always thought Aaron's overvalued. We don't have
anything to do with his vaccine opinions don't have anything
to do with his politics. I don't care. I think
most NFL quarterbacks are probably conservative. I don't view myself
as a conservative. What do I care. Mark Schlaroth on
his podcast said, I don't even think this is an opinion.
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I think it's the truth.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
If you invite the greatest quarterbacks of all time to
dinner and there's you know, it's like Thanksgiving and there's
one main table and then the kid's table on the side,
Aaron Rodgers is sitting.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
At the kids table.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Yeah, because he's got one champion. Yes, you don't get
to sit with Joe Montana and Tom Brady and multiple
Super Bowl winners at the big boy table.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You don't, by the way, in the NBA, you do.
Carmelo gets lumped in with a Kobe Bryant. That's not
the way it works in football. So as we get
ready to talk football starting next week, like every day,
nobody's anti Aaron or anti Jets, but Aaron's out of
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his prime. It could be forty Mahomes is in it,
Lamar's in it, Josh Allen's in it, Herbert's in it,
Trevor Lawrence in it.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
C J.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Stroud appears to be close to being in it. Joe
Burrow's in it. Stafford's out of it, but right now
is better than Aaron Golf is in it. Jalen Hurts
is in it. It's a quarterback. It's a quarterback coach's league.
If you're not in your prime, you have to have
an elite coach. We don't know if Robert Saula is that.
Here's what I do know, though, I'm talking more WNBA
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because of not only Caitlin Clark, but Angel Reese and
Angel Reese. Jju Watkins, a great young player, picked Angel
Reese as her WNBA Rookie of the Year. I laughed
when I saw it. I was like, I was gonna
get the Kitlyn Clark. The Swifties. Remember when Kanye West
diss Taylor Swift as the best thing that ever happened
to Taylor Swift's career, her fans became more emboldened, more
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ticked off, more loyal. The best thing that ever happened
to Taylor Swift was Kanye West. Her music's great, She's
a great songwriter, super smart, but that in bold in
her fan base never never looked back. At the time
it may have hurt, but between the Olympic snub to
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Caitlin Clark, which was silly and Angel Reese potentially winning
Rookie of the Year maybe the best thing in the
world for Caitlin Clark. It would also be the best
thing in the world for the WNBA. Hear me out,
it's a Magic Bird thing. What made Magic and Bird
last is neither truly won the Who's Better. Remember people
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chose sides for years because they met in the NCAA finals.
Magic won, but then Bird won Rookie of the Year,
but then Magic won the title as a rookie, but
then Bird won it the next year. Eight years they
made seven finals. At one point Magic on top, then
he had a bad finals, he was tragic, and then
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Bird was on top and he had some injuries or
underachieved in a big spot or two. It just went
back and forth and back and forth. Magic never won,
Bird never won, and over time they created this friendship
and they're in McDonald's commercials together. This is great that
Angel Reese along with an Olympic snub, because right now
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Kaitlin Clark's more popular, she's filling arenas, she's moving the
attendants and the TV ratings. But if the snub plus
Angel Reese winning a Rookie of the Year can really
change the WNBA, and it creates arguments, and arguments are
they're great for sports. They're both terrific players, and unlike
the NBA, the WNBA draft can deliver players who are
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productive culture changers. Game one. They're both excellent. But I
think Caitlin the Olympic snub, and if she gets snub
for Rookie of the Year, it just empowers her fan
base and creates a true, real rivalry that's unbelievable for
the league. I think I'm not joking here. I listen.
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I grew up with Ali Fraser, Alli won, Fraser won
All You One. It empowered both. I mean, Joe Fraser
is in the history of heavyweights. One of the reasons
he's listed near the top is because the wars he
had with all E even when he lost. So everybody's
pushing back and taking sides on Angel Reese, and they're
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taking sides on Caitlin Clark. Go look at Magic and Bird.
Magic won in college. Right, he wins the College Game
and Bird wins Rookie of the Year. Then Magic wins
the title, then Birds win the next Then Magic had
bad finals and Bird was on top of the world
and then Magic. It just went back and forth and
for like twelve years. And if Bird would have gone
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to a crappy team, it wouldn't have helped the NBA.
It would have helped the Lakers, who have always been
the biggest brand, and it would have helped Magic. It
was the losses and the tragic Johnson and losing every
other year. If you went back to that Magic and
Bird final for a long stretch, it was Laker Celtics, Laker,
Celtics Laker. It was the push the pull that made
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the rivalry and simultaneously elevated the league. I think it's
great if Caitlan doesn't win Rookie, but maybe he can
win a playoff series and the next year she's an
All Star, and then Angel Reese isn't an All Star,
and then the next year Angel wins a title that
would elevate the entire sport, not just make Caitland Clark popular.
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And the WNBA has never made money, never made a
prophet as a league. This can't just be about Caitlin Clark.
It can't just be about Tiger Woods. Golf had to
win wild Tiger won. That's the different UFC one, not
just Connor McGregor. The key to the WNBA is, yeah,
Caitlin Clark can get rich. You guys gotta make money.
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This league gotta make a prophet. You want to play
bigger arenas. And the way that happens isn't Caitlin Clark
winning everything. It's Caitlin Clark with a true rival that
she has to look up to occasionally. Team wins awards, popularity,
The angel reest here is bigger than everybody thinks. All right,
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here we go on a Friday. By the way, the
United States men's national team fired Greg Berhalter, so I'm
sure they can just go poach the world's best coaches.
One's already turned them down. It is it is not
turning out the way they wanted. With the United States
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men's national team, jurgun Klop said, no, thank you. Not interested.
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Oh, welcome back. It is great to have you in
live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. First of all, tip of
the cap. Thank you Danny Parkins. Ashley Brewer filled in
last couple of days. Totally appreciate that. Jordan Schultz filling
in for jmackrest of the week. How are things my
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man doing great?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Not as good as Rhode Island, though.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Rhode Island was wonderful, but it is good to be back.
And it got me thinking I would have every day
to myself in the mornings, I'd go take the new
dog go out, and it got me thinking about why
I love sports and talking to a lot of people
in Rhode Island. One of the things I was listening
to Sports Radio in Boston for a couple of days.
(01:09):
One of the things I love about sports the pressure,
the adult conversations. It's not too mean to talk about
somebody's age. There's a lot of pressure and you gotta
win now. I was thinking outside of Andy Reid, Sean mcvaigh,
Jim Harbaugh, and Matt Lafleur, four coaches in the entire sport.
(01:35):
If any other coach had a bad season, they're in
big trouble. Kyle Shanahan has a losing record. Without Christian McCaffrey,
that roster go seven to ten. You don't think there's
heat on Kyle Shanahan. What about John Harbaugh? They wanted
to run him out of town three years ago. You
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think they finished third or fourth in that division. There's
not heat even the rookie coaches. You get off to
a bad start by Thanksgiving. Uh oh, we got the
wrong guy. You can even make the criticism in sports personal.
Pete Carroll, though he has the energy of a seventeen
year old after a bag of skittles, you know he
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is in his seventies. That's an adult conversation. Not a
lot of coaches got into their seventies and were at
their best. Bill Belichick six rings even named a vote
after it. He feels a bit like a dinosaur. You
can have those conversations. Brian Dable not only got Daniel
Jones of the playoffs, he won a game with Daniel Jones.
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You want a game he goes six and eleven, he
probably gets fired, and I think he's a great coach.
That's what's great about sports. That's not the downside. Five
of the last eight NBA Coaches of the Year got
fired from the team they won the award. Expectations adult
conversations when now you're paid a lot. Yet in the
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Democratic Party it's considered agist, harsh, mean to have discussions
about Joe Biden's age, his mental acuity. I don't know.
It feels like the president's a fairly important job. I
read that people were caught off guard by his regression.
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You don't have iPhones, grow up, have a real conversation.
People are having conversations and questioning it four years ago.
But in politics, I'm uncomfortable. Not in sports. Not in sports.
Dak Prescott, you make Patrick Mahomes money, win more when
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it counts. I love Lamar Jackson. Another stinker in the playoffs,
time for real heat. Sean McDermott keeps winning his division.
I'm sorry, Josh Allen's too good not to end up
in Super Bowls. Those aren't the downsides to it. It's
why I defended vigorously the Angel Reese Caitlin Clark discussions.
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The girls could handle it. The women were fine. It
was all the fragile sports media asking weird, dorky questions
and being uncomfortable with it. The women were great. Caitlin's
going to be fine. Angel Reese is crushing it, and
you should push back on fragile sports media if they're
outraged by things that are happening to everybody. I enjoy
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politics every four years, but the reason I love sports
is accountability and adult conversations and debate at home on
a show in a bar, real people talking about real things,
pressurized situations. Don't let sports become politics again. Five of
(05:01):
the last eight NBA head coaches Gonzo, we want more,
Dak Prescott. Yes, you win twelve games a year, just
none when it matters. So that's my takeaway. Seventeen days
off sports has some politics in it. Let's never let
it become politics. I like what it is now and
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sometimes it's harsh and tough and almost mean and a
little rude, and we debate sometimes over a beer and
what I love about sports and what drives me crazy
about politics. I'm sorry for the last four years. I
don't watch a lot of TikTok, but I either have
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singing goats or Joe Biden gaffs. It's okay to talk
about it. Really, the democracy thing, it's kind of important.
The other thing that was notable to me. I don't
know why it gets people worked up, but man, unless
they had a half dozen people ask me about this,
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they were talking about it coast to coast on sports radio. Colin,
what do you make a Brownie James being drafted? I
don't know. Isn't it kind of an understanding in America?
You do me well, I owe you a solid that's
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like a given right. I take you to the airport
you're buying the next dinner. I help you move, I
get a little something something back like that's the American way.
Lebron James has carried the NBA for twenty years. He
didn't he didn't have a long playoff run this year.
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Did you see the NBA ratings as every other sport, WNBA, COPA,
Euros college football, up up, up up up, NBA ratings,
ew tank no Lebron. He carried the Lakers, not a
well run franchise for six years, got him a title,
number one brand in the league. Carried the Cavs for
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eleven years. They've never mattered except when he played there.
Got him a title. You owe me dinner, if I
help you move, if I carry your sport, get you
a new TV contract worth seven billion. You got a
problem with Bronnie James getting drafted by the Lakers. It's
the weakest NBA draft and maybe ever. In fact, what's
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funny is the Milwaukee Bucks thirty picks earlier drafted a
kid out of Australia that played eight minutes a game
in Australia and average less than Bronni. It shows how
polarizing Lebron James is. I had more people ask me
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about that on the East Coast. My takeaway is you're
really bothered by it. Let me ask you this. Let's
say you've done well in your life and you have
a favorite steakhouse in your small, middle size or big town,
and you go to that steakhouse or the Aposta joint
and you buy a lot of wine. For years, you
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spend a lot of money at that steakhouse. You know
what I mean. You've taken a lot of business dinners
at that steakhouse. You didn't have to, you chose to,
don't you. After a few years feel like you get
a little better poor on that pino, Maybe get you
a better table. Damn straight, you do, and so do I.
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We all have expectations, we seek favors. We all get
a little entitled if we give you something. Lebron James
has carried the league for twenty years. He and Steph
Curry have carried the league. Neither made a playoff run.
This year, ratings went to the tank as everything else is.
The COPA and the Euros are going through the roof
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NBA with a lot of good players. Global Sport taped
no Lebron, no Steph. Yeah, I'm okay. In the weakest
draft ever, the Lakers going, we'll do you solid in
the five previous years before Lebron got to the Lakers,
I could be wrong on this. I think that the
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worst record in the league. They were a circus. They
were leaking everywhere. He won him a title, got him
to another Western Conference finals in the weakest draft ever.
His son, who by the way, I think his son's
a G leaguer. I think at best he's a low
end rotational player. But this draft was horrible. After the
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thirty sixth or thirty seventh pick, you can argue it's
a G league draft. I'm not losing sleep over it,
and nor should you. Here was Lebron on the selection.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Now, let's say it has a dream come true for me,
see my son to be able to you know, be
in the NBA loan and then it's always been a
dream of his and for us to be a side
by side.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
It's a lot of wards of lost giatus.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I don't know many kid has worked so hard to
get back to this point. There's just so much has
happened over the last year with him. To have this
happen less than a year from his accident, to be
with our friends and our family. When he announced his name,
it was something that was super surreal.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
By the way, how many sons who aren't qualified or
at minimum aren't the best candidate end up on their
father's staffs in the NFL or college. Nobody gets too
worked up over that. There's other far more qualified candidates.
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I think it's something about America that it's understood, and
I'm okay with it. You do me as solid. I
got dinner, you help me move. Maybe I'm going through
a tough time emotionally and you're there for me. I
owe you. I mean, how many owners take over for
their parents that actually live up to expectations. Not many
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will start with that. Don't get worked up over it.
It's the world we live in. Inspect your own life,
put a microscop on it, and if you really thought
about the things you expect after you help others at
a favorite restaurant, we all do it. It's okay. It's
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not worth losing fifteen minutes of sleepover all right. We
got all sorts of stuff. Klay Thompson that got very
touchy feely. The Yankees are a mess. The NFC, I
thinks better than people think. And there were two NBA
free agent moves I wasn't here. One I thought was stupendous,
better than every other move, and one loss I think
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really will be punitive for a team. So we'll talk
about that. Jordan Schultzen today, j Max somewhere in the world,
he's abroad. I believe it's great to be back. Hoped,
hope to have you interested here for the next several hours.
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Speaker 5 (12:36):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day, TV or radio.
Jalen Johnson, big personality, Bears corner. He's the highest graded
cornerback in the NFL last year. Great young player just
signed a big fat contract. Alexi Lawless. We'll talk about
Greg Berhalter being fired. Yeah, I was just looking this
up Team USA. So we go to COPA and Copa
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the fields aren't FIFA regulated and so those fields were
fifteen feet shorter and twelve feet narrower, and so the
style of the Copa tournament was a little grittier. And
that's not who we are now. So I didn't think
we set ourselves up to success for that. That tournament
wasn't built for us. I think we're more European, more
skillful play wider at which the FIFA will regulate. You know,
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we're gonna get to the World Cup. We got to
the World Cup.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Last time with a bunch of kids, and we're gonna
get there, and we're gonna get out of the you know,
we're gonna We're gonna be in the final sixteen. We're
gonna get out of the group stage. But I do
think the World Cup and it plays better to our
style than COPA necessarily does. Although COPA didn't have nearly
the talent and we got a red card against Panama.
We played a man down played with ten not ideal.
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So Berholz takes the fall. We weren't generating a notch
of enough good quality looks. But I've said this before.
This is what I talked about with the Olympics. The
Olympics in the World Cup are very political. The NFL,
the NBA, Baseball, MLS is see politics once in a while,
but not really. The Olympics are political. FIFA is political,
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and so Caitlin Clark put her on the team. Yeah,
it's good politics. Put Caitlin Clark on the team. Jalen
Brown is not on the United States. He's not on
this this current Olympic team because the Nike story, the
two guys aren't on this team. That should be Kyrie
Irving and Jalen Brown one drop by Nike one not
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a Nike guy. It's political. Jalen Brown's the finals MVP
in Eastern Conference MVP. So as we come back and
circle around on this, when I said, get Caitlin Clark
on the team. She's better than Diana uh drossy right now,
she's better, younger, better, and if you look at her
numbers over the last ten games, Caitlin was good. Now
she's better, she's getting better, she's getting better. She should
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be on the Olympic team. And if for no other reason,
then it's good politics. The men's teams a great example,
and Greg Berhalter being ousted GEO Arena disputes there, it's
all political and I understand it. FIFA. I mean, go
look where the Olympics end up, Soshi putin, Look look
(15:15):
look where Look where Olympics end up. Look where World
Cups end up. There's a lot of money exchanging hands
that you later find out about or often don't. And
in this situation, it's politics. So they had to come
out of this thing. Roaring and and you know, be
in the finals of Copa and it didn't happen. The
red card heard him in a crucial game against the Panamanians.
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So you know, it happens. But I've just lived in
a world where it's always the coach's fault. It was
Bruce Arena Kleinsman. Now it's Greg Burholter. We never look
and you know, the NBA's a little like this. It's
always fired the coach. The NBA is constant. Five of
the last eight NBA Coaches of the Year have been
fired from the team they won the award on five
(15:59):
of the last eight because it's always blame the coach
outside of a Steve Kerrrispultra. By the way, Tim's in
New York. If they go to the playoffs next year
and fall apart again physically because of you know, the
minutes he plays as starters, Tim's will be going He'll
be in big trouble. I mean he comes with a
you know, a caution label to begin with. But the
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point is with Verhalter, some of this is performance, some
of it's politics, and that's the reality. And I'm you know,
I'm I'm you know, I get it. But it's soccer
and basketball. You never you never look at the player.
James Harden, it's not his fault, it's the coach. Ben
Simmons is one of the few examples of we blame
the player. Yeah, but it's usually the coach.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I thought what Rachel said was illuminating in terms of
Jalen Brown deserving it. It's unlikely that it's going to
matter in terms of the medal, winning the gold medal,
but Jalen Brown with what he just did on the
heels of winning a finals MVP and winning a title.
With all the respect to Derek White, who's a really
good player, we know you like him. Everyone likes Derek White.
Jalen Brown's a better player. Yes, so he he's earned
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the right to be there, especially if he said publicly,
I want to it's an honor for me.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
But this is something I hit on day after day
after d after day. Olympic basketball teams, the first five
or six great players, it's not political. You get to
the middle, in the back end of the roster, it's
shoe companies, it's who's the coach. Thomas no Isaiah Thomas
in ninety two and Christian Laytner's on it. Okay, that's
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why Caitlin Clark needs to be on it. So Dom
just get her on the team. What are we doing here?
So people got WNBA got very precious, women's basketball got
a very precious, very insular. We know what we're doing.
Not really, you've never made money. Maybe you should listen, right, Like,
just understand the United States men's national team, there's some
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politics here. And understand with the Olympic basketball teams. Jalen
Brown not on the team. There's some politics here. Isaiah
Thomas not on it, Christian Laytner on it. There's politics here.
So I thought this was interesting. Shade or Sam Deon
Sanderson is going to be in the NFL. He's playing
for Colorado for one more year. I think he's talented,
but the more he talks, the less I like him.
(18:09):
And I've said this before about Johnny Manzel or Baker Mayfield.
Your personality at quarterback in college matters, and by the
way I talk to GMS, it matters to them too.
Cam Newton came out, Johnny Manzel, Baker Mayfield a lot
of hutzba, a lot of ego. It turns off a
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lot of people. Shadeur Sanders h we've reached a point here,
We've reached a line where he should just talk less
and not be up front as much because I think
it could hurt his draft stock, because I do think
he's really talented. And I will say this, he went
out talking about how tough it is to be, you know,
at Colorado because you know, they're a super Bowl for everybody,
(18:55):
everybody's super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
So I'm really good. I always stay love ahead of
his they ground it because I just I would never
want to be that guy look back and not being
able to take a ben as at a moment that
we have right now.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So you're not everybody's super Bowl. Your last six games
last year you winzer for six, You're over under in
Vegas is five and a half and the toughest game
in your schedule is Utah. Uh, You're getting to it.
I'm feeling there's a there's a threshold here, and I
think we're moving into the delusion threshold. And I do
think I'm not going to tell anybody how to parent.
(19:31):
But Shadu or Sanders is it's like the opposite of
the Alabama dynasty. A lot of talking and no production. Alabama.
Nick did the talking, nobody else talked and all sorts
of production. And that's why Alabama guys get drafted. They're coachable,
you know, they don't they don't come, they're not flammable.
When they get to the NFL, they have they've been coached.
They've been coached hard. Uh. And it's not about the personality.
(19:52):
This is not the NBA or international soccer. It's football.
Nobody's interested in your personality. Once you get into the
league and you're a perfer, we're all for it. But
when you're in college to the pros, be very careful.
It can absolutely be part of the quarterback evaluation. I mean,
Caleb Williams was getting heat because he painted his fingernails.
(20:13):
He never said anything that would get him in trouble.
He never really did anything on the field that would
get him into trouble. But people push back on the fingernails.
Some people I thought stupidly pushed back because he embraced
his mom after a tough loss that was judged fingernail paint.
So it's very interesting. Garnering attention does not equal draft
(20:39):
status elevated like a lot of people draw attention. Lindsay
Lohan and Paris Hilton got a lot of attention. It
doesn't mean you're formidable or authentic or appealing, like like
I do think Colorado is getting into a weird spot
where it's a lot of talking and now I want
to see production, like I was four Dion and the Spotlight,
(21:00):
because you know, football recruiting, Colorado's invisible. So I do
think Dion, you know, I thought about it. I remember
the time he got hired. My initial thought was this
is weird fit. And then over the weekend I'm like, well,
he'll get him attention. Recruiting's attention. Nobody knows who where
Colorado's you know, on the map of college football. They're
up in the mountain somewhere. Oh this will work, but
at some point you got to deliver on it. You
(21:21):
got to deliver on the talk or stop talking. And
I think I worry about Shadeur Sanders. Is he is
now front and center of the program. You are not
everybody's super Bowl. You may finish eighth in the Big Twelve,
which is not a viable conference that he wore now
that Texas and Oklahoma have left is not very viable.
(21:44):
So we'll see. It's just It's like the financial bros
on Twitter. If you really know finances, you're probably not
spending time lecturing people on Twitter. You're just a Twitter bro,
a financial Twitter bro like Colorado needs to to me
pull back a little on the exposure because according to
the recruiting sides that the nil, they've been actually pretty
(22:05):
successful on it. Their their line play, They've elevated line play.
And I do hope Colorado wins. I think it's a
great story. I like stories, and I do think Shader
Sanders is really talented. I think he's really talented. But
I've spent my thirty years doing this, and most general
managers do not want their quarterbacks to be big personalities
(22:25):
and on message boards and dropping bombs. And Colorado's at
a really weird point going into this college football season.
The attention in year one was great, but they were
bad down the stretch, and that means, hey, you can
say what you want. But I think the story of
college football outside of the top four or five teams,
the Colorado story is getting really really interesting is that
(22:48):
they're the most talked about team that doesn't win any games.
And I don't know if that's a great spot and
Shoudar comes there whatever he wants. I mean, if you
get asked questions, you can say what you want. But
it's I've watched my entire career. Bill Parcells used to
have a rule, do not draft celebrity quarterbacks. Now that's impossible.
Now they're all celebrities. They have nil money, so he
(23:09):
can't say that anymore. Chador is going to be a star,
and he's really talented, like really talented, but it is there.
I feel with Colorado football like they're making the news
for the wrong stuff. Now they got to start making
the news for the football stuff and then winning the
games thing.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I think last year I wonder if they almost hurt
themselves expectation wise. They opened, you know, they beat tcuh's
coming off a national championship appearance. They start off really hot,
shard Or looks like a Heisman candidate, and the expectation
is now, all of a sudden, this is the top
fifteen team and then they hit rock Bodis.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Does it changes when you're an underdog, Yeah, Shador Sanders
is a cool story in an underdog. Well, he goes
into this drive this next season.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Is one of the premier players in the country.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Absolutely he may be the most he may be the
most talented quarterback. So it's very different. You go from
a cubicle to the corner office at work, different things
are expected. Shadur goes from I mean last year we
had like six legitimate NFL quarterbacks. He's a page three
of the sports section story. Oh no, he's the lead
(24:10):
story in college football in terms of quarterback talent. I
think he's the most talented quarterback. I think the kid
at Penn State is really good where he got. I
don't think he's as good as Shadure. But it's going
to be interesting because Dion wants the promotion, wants the headlines.
He's good at creating them. So is Shadure. But dude,
you are now arguably potentially the number one pick. It's
(24:31):
gonna be fascinating to watch the personality thing here work.
You want to make headlines for the right reasons. Colorado
is nobody's super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
But I think they can win eight games. They had
a terrible offensive line last year. They got the number
one prospect offensive lineman coming in. They also have Travis Hunter,
who's a potential top five pick as well.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
So they have two.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
But their defense was high school.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, but they've improved it. To your point. A lot
of guys left in the portal, but they also brought
in a lot of guys. I think they're gonna be
better this year.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I hope. So, so what would be successful? Seven wins?
Eight wins? Oh? I think if they won eight win games,
I think you'd feel great about Okay, But what the
more interesting part to me isn't just Colorado. It's Chadur
may be the best quarterback in college football now outside
of the Ohio State, Oregon, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma's you know,
the big boy talk and the twelve team playoff. Shadur's
gonna be a big story and it's gonna be fascinating
(25:22):
to watch him being because he's gonna have microphones in
his face all year. He can be the number one
pick potentially.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah. I've had teams tell me though. How he handles
it this year, the media year, too, is really what's
going to determine.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
There's no question. This is not a criticism, this is
a reality. He is going to be the Caleb Williams.
I mean, look at the Caleb Williams nonsense criticism for
nail polish this is nonsense became a real story.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
It did. And also he didn't want to speak to
the media, you know after the Utah game was criticism.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
About that, I mean for not talking right.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I think Sanders to your point, Colin, I really he's
a special talent.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Oh, I think he's true. He's got all of it.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
It's just now, how do you handle all the pressure
of being the hunt?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
From page three to page one, Caleb was a star
of the high school. Shador's gone. From page three. He
is now the lead story page one. It's gonna be fascinating.
He's got a microphone in his face all season. I
can't wait to watch it. Jalen Johnson's Around the Corner
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happened with the men's team?
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Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yee, it is a Fried day. It is great to
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for making us part of your day. Jordan Schultz in
tow today as usual. Blake Korum, the Michigan Wolverine rookie,
(27:33):
stops by today. Danny Parkins, who filled in for me,
great Chicago radio voice, stopping by Sam Smith, longtime NBA writer.
We got the Summer League, we got the Olympic team,
and tomorrow the Baltimore Ravens open their camp for the rookies.
So this is sort of the last day for sports
talk radio in America. Without heavy NFL from this point forward,
(27:59):
that's the thing that moves in. It's a lot of
NFL talk. But I thought, Jeordan, I'm gonna start today
with an NFL topic. Okay, we're gonna start with an
NFL topic today. So Aaron I saw him in a
golf tournament, Aaron Rodgers yesterday at a golf tournament. And
because Aaron was always a very very polarizing player, because
he was good looking and kind of cocky, and he
(28:19):
replaced Farv and he's always been polarizing. Then he comes
in with strong political opinions and vaccine opinions. Now he's
like wildly crazy polarizing. I got no problem with that.
I don't care. I can disagree with him on his
politics and his vaccine I don't care. A real talented guy.
But Mark Schlareth was, you know, on his personal podcast
(28:44):
talking about like at Thanksgiving, there's a grown up table
and a kids table, and if you're talking all the
time great quarterbacks, Aaron would be at the kids table,
and that'll be viewed as anti Aaron. But one of
the reasons I didn't buy into Aaron going to the
Jets and changing the world is I view Aaron as
almost and I felt like this with Odell Beckham junior.
(29:05):
He's almost an NBA brand that he wins awards. He's
aesthetically pleasing. He got very rich, but I don't consider
him an all time great team guy. In football is
our team sport. And here's a great example. So Aaron's
early career, he sits on the venture three years behind
a legend, and his rookie year he's six and ten.
(29:27):
So if you take his prime years from year five
in Green Bay, got a slower start and to year
seventeen where he won MVP. Because people tend to Michael Jordan,
nobody remembers the Wizard years. We don't talk about the
years he got beat by Boston and Detroit. We go
to your prime years. So let's go to Aaron's thirteen
(29:48):
years of prime football. He had twenty one playoff games,
eleven and ten, lost several times at home as a favorite.
He lost at home to old Tom Brady, Jimmy Garoppolo,
Colin Kaepernick. In twenty one playoff starts, he had one
(30:08):
come from behind win. Brady had nine times that Mahomes
is just going into his prime. He's got five times
that Aaron was always as a quarterback, a front runner
when the weather was good, when things were good, when
he had a lead. These aren't opinions, these are facts.
In thirteen years he had one playoff run. He's very
(30:32):
much an NBA star where he's esthetically pleasing, he's pretty
to watch. He got rich, he's got a big brand.
But if you look at the all time great quarterbacks,
you gotta do better than one trip to a Super
Bowl in thirteen years. Marino and Aaron are are kind
of those guys we look at and go. You had
(30:54):
good coaches, you had stability, you had good offensive lines.
What the hell happened? I was looking this morning at
Super Bowl appearances for many of the great quarterbacks. Brady
had ten, l Way five, Montana four, bratch Off four,
Peyton Manning four, Stawback four, Jim Kelly, Aikman big, Ben,
(31:16):
Kurt Warner Tarkenton three four. Aaron had won. And remember
he played in the mostly weak division where the Bears
and the Lions were always a mess and Minnesota was
never great, So he got home field a lot. Green
Bay also has a decided home field advantage because it's
the coldest place in the league. Outside of Buffalo. He
had two offensive coaches, three if he count his first
(31:37):
coach as a rookie. He always had good offensive lines
and the Packers are always stable. They're never a tire fire.
Maybe some years the defense isn't as good as we think.
So in thirteen years of prime, he was a five
hundred playoff quarterback, twenty one games, one come from behind
playoff win. That's what he is. So why don't you
(31:57):
buy into the Jets? I don't like their off offensive line,
and I almost thought Aaron was kind was kind of
an Aaron guy and not necessarily a fox hole guy.
He's not Mahomes who plays from behind as well as
he plays with the leade. He's not Brady who's better
in his biggest games. He doesn't have the intellect of
Manning or the size and the mobility of Big Ben.
(32:22):
He's not eightman, the leader, or as tough as Bradshaw.
It's not a criticism, it's just my eyes. So you know,
when everybody looks at Aaron Rodgers and the opinions like
why don't I buy the Jets? Well, because Josh Allen's
a significantly more focused quarterback in his prime, bigger stronger, faster.
(32:43):
Josh Allen's a much better quarterback than Aaron. The criticism
of Aaron old quarterbacks coming off surgeries with dubious offensive
lines don't do well in this league. So you know,
in the NBA, Tracy McGrady can never get in his
prime to a second round of the playoffs. You're a
Hall of James Harden Westbrook playoff disappointment after disappointment, Kawhi
(33:06):
Leonard's never available. They'll all make the Hall of Fame.
Mellow was selfish, not in good shape, didn't play defense.
Hall of Fame first ballot. But Aaron's to this point,
Aaron's going to brag about a high passer rating. It's excellent,
But that's not the kind of thing you put your
grandkids on your knee and go, hey, you want to
hear about dad's touchdown to interceptions splits. Aaron just didn't
(33:29):
win us with stability, weak division, home field, weather advantage,
offensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You know what enough.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
So if you wonder why I don't buite it to
the Jets, I've always thought Aaron's overvalued. We don't have
anything to do with his vaccine opinions don't have anything
to do with his politics. I don't care. I think
most NFL quarterbacks are probably conservative. I don't view myself
as a conservative. What do I care. Mark Schlaroth on
his podcast said, I don't even think this is an opinion.
(33:58):
I think it's the truth.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
If you invite the greatest quarterbacks of all time to
dinner and there's you know, it's like Thanksgiving and there's
one main table and then the kid's table on the side,
Aaron Rodgers is sitting.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
At the kids table.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Yeah, because he's got one champion. Yes, you don't get
to sit with Joe Montana and Tom Brady and multiple
Super Bowl winners at the big boy table.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You don't, by the way, in the NBA, you do.
Carmelo gets lumped in with a Kobe Bryant. That's not
the way it works in football. So as we get
ready to talk football starting next week, like every day,
nobody's anti Aaron or anti Jets, but Aaron's out of
(34:46):
his prime. It could be forty Mahomes is in it,
Lamar's in it, Josh Allen's in it, Herbert's in it,
Trevor Lawrence in it.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
C J.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Stroud appears to be close to being in it. Joe
Burrow's in it. Stafford's out of it, but right now
is better than Aaron Golf is in it. Jalen Hurts
is in it. It's a quarterback. It's a quarterback coach's league.
If you're not in your prime, you have to have
an elite coach. We don't know if Robert Saula is that.
Here's what I do know, though, I'm talking more WNBA
(35:18):
because of not only Caitlin Clark, but Angel Reese and
Angel Reese. Jju Watkins, a great young player, picked Angel
Reese as her WNBA Rookie of the Year. I laughed
when I saw it. I was like, I was gonna
get the Kitlyn Clark. The Swifties. Remember when Kanye West
diss Taylor Swift as the best thing that ever happened
to Taylor Swift's career, her fans became more emboldened, more
(35:43):
ticked off, more loyal. The best thing that ever happened
to Taylor Swift was Kanye West. Her music's great, She's
a great songwriter, super smart, but that in bold in
her fan base never never looked back. At the time
it may have hurt, but between the Olympic snub to
(36:04):
Caitlin Clark, which was silly and Angel Reese potentially winning
Rookie of the Year maybe the best thing in the
world for Caitlin Clark. It would also be the best
thing in the world for the WNBA. Hear me out,
it's a Magic Bird thing. What made Magic and Bird
last is neither truly won the Who's Better. Remember people
(36:28):
chose sides for years because they met in the NCAA finals.
Magic won, but then Bird won Rookie of the Year,
but then Magic won the title as a rookie, but
then Bird won it the next year. Eight years they
made seven finals. At one point Magic on top, then
he had a bad finals, he was tragic, and then
(36:50):
Bird was on top and he had some injuries or
underachieved in a big spot or two. It just went
back and forth and back and forth. Magic never won,
Bird never won, and over time they created this friendship
and they're in McDonald's commercials together. This is great that
Angel Reese along with an Olympic snub, because right now
(37:12):
Kaitlin Clark's more popular, she's filling arenas, she's moving the
attendants and the TV ratings. But if the snub plus
Angel Reese winning a Rookie of the Year can really
change the WNBA, and it creates arguments, and arguments are
they're great for sports. They're both terrific players, and unlike
the NBA, the WNBA draft can deliver players who are
(37:35):
productive culture changers. Game one. They're both excellent. But I
think Caitlin the Olympic snub, and if she gets snub
for Rookie of the Year, it just empowers her fan
base and creates a true, real rivalry that's unbelievable for
the league. I think I'm not joking here. I listen.
(37:55):
I grew up with Ali Fraser, Alli won, Fraser won
All You One. It empowered both. I mean, Joe Fraser
is in the history of heavyweights. One of the reasons
he's listed near the top is because the wars he
had with all E even when he lost. So everybody's
pushing back and taking sides on Angel Reese, and they're
(38:17):
taking sides on Caitlin Clark. Go look at Magic and Bird.
Magic won in college. Right, he wins the College Game
and Bird wins Rookie of the Year. Then Magic wins
the title, then Birds win the next Then Magic had
bad finals and Bird was on top of the world
and then Magic. It just went back and forth and
for like twelve years. And if Bird would have gone
(38:38):
to a crappy team, it wouldn't have helped the NBA.
It would have helped the Lakers, who have always been
the biggest brand, and it would have helped Magic. It
was the losses and the tragic Johnson and losing every
other year. If you went back to that Magic and
Bird final for a long stretch, it was Laker Celtics, Laker,
Celtics Laker. It was the push the pull that made
(39:00):
the rivalry and simultaneously elevated the league. I think it's
great if Caitlan doesn't win Rookie, but maybe he can
win a playoff series and the next year she's an
All Star, and then Angel Reese isn't an All Star,
and then the next year Angel wins a title that
would elevate the entire sport, not just make Caitland Clark popular.
(39:20):
And the WNBA has never made money, never made a
prophet as a league. This can't just be about Caitlin Clark.
It can't just be about Tiger Woods. Golf had to
win wild Tiger won. That's the different UFC one, not
just Connor McGregor. The key to the WNBA is, yeah,
Caitlin Clark can get rich. You guys gotta make money.
(39:42):
This league gotta make a prophet. You want to play
bigger arenas. And the way that happens isn't Caitlin Clark
winning everything. It's Caitlin Clark with a true rival that
she has to look up to occasionally. Team wins awards, popularity,
The angel reest here is bigger than everybody thinks. All right,
(40:04):
here we go on a Friday. By the way, the
United States men's national team fired Greg Berhalter, so I'm
sure they can just go poach the world's best coaches.
One's already turned them down. It is it is not
turning out the way they wanted. With the United States
(40:25):
men's national team, jurgun Klop said, no, thank you. Not interested.
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