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Where Colin was right and where he was wrong

In his Week 11 Herd Hierarchy, Colin ranks the Top 10 NFL teams, explaining why the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles are still dangerous — and why the Buffalo Bills and Packers have fallen out of the elite category

Fox Sports NFL analyst Greg Olsen joins the show to discuss the Chicago Bears’ thrilling comeback win over the New York Giants, calling it the most impressive game of Caleb Williams’ young NFL career

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go our word two on a Monday, Matt
Hasselback three to four minutes out the news of the day,
Just change Brian Davell out fire, just like the Jets
last year. Firing the head coach middle of the season

(00:46):
who happens to be the best coach on the staff.
Not what I would have done, but it does give
you a head start on the best coach available on
the market. Mike McCarthy would be my guy. Offensive guy.
It's an offensive league. You can go to Cooper Rush,

(01:06):
Aaron Rodgers, you can go to Dak Prescott. I think
he's a good B plus coach. You know, would an
a coach want that job? No? I got news for
eight coaches like Mike Frable. They don't want the Jets
of the Giants. He wanted to go back to Robert Kraft.
Jim Harbaugh is not even Michigan for the Jets or Giants.

(01:27):
Sean Payton's not taking those jobs. What happens in the
NFL is the good coaches use the Jets and the Giants,
make sure everybody thinks they're interested. Then they take the
better job with the better owner. But I wouldn't have
fired Dave Oll. That's me. I'll talk to Matt hassel
Back in a few minutes. But it is Monday. Colin
Wright Colin wrong, and here we go. Where Colin was right,

(01:49):
I said three years ago, I said, if Matt Stafford
ends his career like I think he's gonna end it,
you're gonna look at he and Aaron Rodgers and say
who is really better? Right now? He's the MVP last
two years, forty five touchdowns, ten interceptions, and Aaron looks
really old. Matt Stafford with this coach, finally has a

(02:12):
reasonable chance every Sunday to succeed. And right there's not
a better guy from the pocket in the NFL right
now than Matt Stafford of the La Rams.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Where Colin was wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
I defended hiring seventy four year old Pete Carroll, but
Seattle's on fire since he left, and the Raiders are
getting progressively worse. He pursued Geno Smith that I don't
get Pete had a year off to reflect and modernize,
and I don't know. Nothing's working. I'm not expecting you

(02:47):
to win eight games. Nothing looks good. The special teams,
the run game, the defense, none of it looks buttoned up.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Where Colin was right, The Niners are what I.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Thought they were, not as good Seattle to the Rams.
That's why I picked him for third. People said to you,
out of your mind, and I said, they're old, expensive
and brittle. Old players get hurt more and it takes
longer for the old players to get back. It's not
Max Jones. Mac Jones is doing fine. Don't don't don't
blame Mac Jones. That's not the issue. The issue is

(03:19):
the forty nine ers are an old football team, and
you are seeing the results of that very old football team.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Where Colin was wrong.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Now we can show the Michael Pennox video three straight
games completing less than sixty percent of his throws, and
I liked him out of college. In fact, he had
forty five career start So my takeaway was he's going
to be kind of ready to play boy. He misses,
and he misses badly a lot. So the last two

(03:51):
weeks he's also one for eighteen on third down, so
he looks uncomfortable. He's skipping a lot of balls. It
doesn't look right, and I got to take a wrong
on this. It's like a JJ McCarthy. It just doesn't
feel like the right guy.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Where Colin was right, I.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Said a couple of years ago, John Snyder's as good
as any personnel guy in the NFL. And since he
and Pete Carroll have separated and it is now his roster,
I think there's an argument this is the best and
fastest roster in the NFL. Turn the sound down and
watch the Seahawks. He also got a third round pick

(04:31):
for Geno Smith. That's great gmming. He's also paying Sam
Darnold less than Taysom Hill makes as a cap hit.
That is great gmming. Right now, this roster is as
good as any in the league. And that's because the
last two years John Snyder has totally controlled personnel.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Where Colin was wrong, I said to.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Dallas Mavericks, I said, they're going to make the Western
Conference Finals. They are now the worst shooting team in
the West, second worst in the league. Offensively, they're brutal,
they don't have a true point guard, they don't really
have a leader, maybe Kyrie Irving when he comes back.
They're very directionless. They're either too young or kind of old.

(05:16):
So the only team in the league that's worst offensively
is the Pacers. Boy, did I miss on the Dallas Mavericks.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Where Colin was right?

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Everybody bailed on Kaylan de Boor. Oh, Kaylan de Boor
is no Nick Saban. Well, he's beaten Georgia, Tennessee, LSU
Vandy in Missouri four straight ranked matchups that he's won.
And you know it takes even if you replace Nick Saban.
You got to build your own culture. And nobody's discussing
the truth is in the nil world. Bama doesn't have

(05:48):
a lot of money. Ohio State's got better players than Alabama.
It's not particularly close. Last year Ohio State also had
better players, So they are not the Saban crimson and
Nick Saban saw that train coming and he went to broadcasting.
So Calin de Boor, they got Oklahoma, they'll win a

(06:08):
directional school and then Auburn. He's going to make the playoffs,
where Colin was right. I worried about hiring two coordinators
in house. Dan Campbell admitted yesterday he took over the
play calling. He didn't do that with Ben Johnson. So
when you hire in house and don't have a global search,

(06:31):
you may get a really good candidate, but you're not
getting the best candidates. I thought they played it safe.
They played it comfortable, and the NFL is a league
of discomfort. So and Dan Campbell soft sold it, you know.
I mean it was a collaborative effort. He took over
play calling from the OC. That's not what he wanted

(06:54):
to do at the start of the season. Colin Wright
Colin wrong on a Monday with that Matt Hassel eighteen
years in the NFL joining US live.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, we put up forty five points, almost six hundred yards.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Yeah, I was the play caller, you know. So that's tough.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I don't I don't like firing the best coach in
the staff midseason. If you're gonna fire a coach, get
to the end of the season. Because I always worry
about the substitute teacher law. Everybody loves the interim. Everybody
plays great with the interim, they win three games, and
everybody goes hire the interim. Again, that's not the best coach,
it's the interim. I don't like firing Brian Dabole now,

(07:37):
who had a good relationship with Jackson Dart What say you.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, listen, I get that point. But there's a lot
more that goes into this. And you know, the losing
record I think twenty and forty over his career and
stuff like that, the embarrassing game management loss this last week.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
I don't think it's those things.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
I think I think that concussion protocol mix up, you know,
I think that's I don't think that's That's not the
New York Giants. They don't want to be known for
stuff like that on the fringes, and I think that
played into it. And I think the bigger thing is
just that your star quarterback, your prize possession. He's been
in that blue tent way too much. I think he's
been evaluated for concussions four times since he's been playing recently.

(08:13):
And they're running him the way that they were running
like Saquon Barkley. You know, they're all this quarterback run game.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
You get an advantage in the run game, it's working.
At the same time, you got to have a little
bit more care for the future of the franchise. And
that's exactly what that quarterback is. So and I think
those things also played into this thing. And just one
other thing. If you think the fact that Daniel Jones
having the success that he's having with the Indianapolis Colts
doesn't play into this decision as well, you're crazy like this,

(08:42):
This absolutely plays into the decision.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Well, that's interesting because Darnold's tearing it up in Seattle
and everybody in Minnesota's going, Kevin, why did you let
him walk?

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I mean, And it's not so much about just letting
somebody walk, Like you're having closed closed door discussion and saying, like,
you know, what's our problem, what's our thing? And like
maybe you're saying, like we just don't have the right quarterback.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
He's just not elite.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
We need someone who's really like clutch, you know, like
like whatever the things are that we're set in closed
door meetings. And then all of a sudden he goes
and he's having the kind of year that he's having
with Indianapolis Colts. It's like, maybe maybe you were wrong
about that, so I think it all adds up. And
but again I think how they have kind of handled
like do we trust you with our prize possession in

(09:29):
Jackson Dart, You know, they're not so sure. And Mike Kafka, Listen,
he's a guy that he gets named for head coaching
interviews every offseason. It feels like he's you know, he's
been with Andy Reid. He's kind of seen behind the
curtain there. Coach Patrick Mahomes like, So I think there's
like an element there too, where it's like, well, let's
see what this guy has before we go into our
coaching search.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Okay, so I'm I am watching. I said, I literally
feel like I have a beat on everybody in the
league except Pittsburgh. They can hammer the Patriots and hammer
the Colts and lose to the Bengals and get blown
out three times. And I said, I'm going to theorize here,
but they're the second oldest team in the league, and

(10:11):
whereas Seattle is young and feels like they're ascending old teams.
As the weather gets cold, guys get hurt longer to
get back. That's the only thing I can figure out,
because I honestly do not know, game to game, week
to week, what I get with Pittsburgh, and I feel
like everybody else in the league, I got a little
bit of a beat on what did you make of

(10:33):
last night?

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, I don't know if Pittsburgh's really that good. I
mean you say that they beat down the Colts and
beat down the Patriots. I mean I think they had
like maybe six turnovers in one of those games and
one by seven, So like, I'm not sure if they're
really sure who they are. You know, their defense was
really poor early, then they put it together, started playing great,
created those turnovers, like I said, But you know, I
just I think this offense looks like Aaron Rodgers with

(10:57):
the New York Jets.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Again.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
You know, they abandoned the run game. Once they get
down inside the ten yard line. It's a lot of
check with me type stuff. The run is there, and
Aaron's trying to use his all world arm and you know,
kind of has that arm arrogance in the red zone
with the guys like DK metcalf Man, just hand the
ball off. Sometimes you got numbers, And that's who the
Pittsburgh Steelers want to be. That's who they are, That's
who they've been for a long time, So they got

(11:19):
they got to be careful because for a while it
looked like they were a playoff team running away with
this division. But you know, Cincinnati's not that far back.
Joe Burrow's coming back, Lamar Jackson's coming back.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Cincinnati, I would.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Say Pittsburgh, they got to They got to figure out
an identity and do it quick.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
So you know, I said, one of the reasons I
think you know this, the NFL is a league of discomfort.
Somebody's always hurt, and it's also a league in which
there's a Rubik's cube field of the NFL. There's always
a problem and you got to solve it quickly. You
don't get an off season. You got to solve stuff
in one or two weeks. Kansas City, Josh Simmons out

(11:55):
among left tackle, OH receiver goes down, Tuka's hurt, Sean
mcvay's like four tight ends in London. That's the league.
You have to solve issues. With Buffalo, it took me
years to figure out running back before they drafted James Cook.
Now their passing game the last year is a mess.

(12:15):
Like I feel like McDermott is a good coach, but
in a league of offensive coaches, Matt, I think the
offensive guys solve stuff in season better than defensive coaches
with quarterbacks. That's my take, Tomlin. I've been waiting for
the run game to work seven years, you know, So
I look at McDermott and that performance, I'm like, is

(12:38):
it possible? Sometimes not every coach that's fired is bad.
Mike McCarthy wasn't bad. Do you keep McDermott forever? Well,
I mean you bring up some good points. I mean
even the game last night.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
You know, you saw the LA Chargers working around their
injury situation, you know, and you know, getting creative. I
think the problem for the Buffalo Bills, though, is that,
you know, they're not very good on defense.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
And I've been saying this.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I mean, I feel bad when I say it because,
like I've been saying it so long and so much
like last year their defense let their offense down.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
This year, to me, their defense is letting their offense down.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
And you know people are going to say, like, oh,
they picked off to or twice, like those.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Were like punts, those were just like throw a ball.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Like when you look at what they are in critical,
critical moments, they don't stop their run. They don't make
plays on third down, they don't make plays in the
red zone. And you know, I think they just helped
you know, they think that, you know, Superman is going
to help them out on the other side of the ball.
So you know, I listen, having gone up agains Sean
McDermott many times when he was a coordinator, he was
a very very difficult coach to go up against. I

(13:38):
have a tremendous amount of respect for him as a coach. However,
when I turn on the film and I watched their
defense play, I just don't see championship level defense coming
out of there.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
I don't. I didn't see it last year. I don't
see it this year.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
They don't tackle well, you got d linemen using spin
moves on run plays.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
I don't like what I see there.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
And part of the reason that the New England Patriots
look like they're going to win the AFC East.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Are you. I watched Drake May yesterday. I mean, I
thought they would be a really interesting team, but they're
not even I mean they just started playing Kyle Williams,
who is a burner, and Travon Henderson, so you know,
Rabel's like, listen, you got to learn the playbook. You
better block. And I can see you know. Rabel likes
physical teams. I can see him. Not Kyle's a thin guy.

(14:24):
You're not blocking enough for Travion Henderson, Like, I get that.
So those are really good players who yesterday really surfaces
potential stars. How surprised are you go back to your
second year in the league. The game looks pretty easy
for Drake, doesn't it easier than it should?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Well, listen, Mike Rabel, Josh McDaniels have done an incredible
job with Drake May. But it's not just Drake May.
You know those guys you mentioned. Travon Henderson started the
year third string. Kyle Williams is like a third stringer,
like a committee. They're getting major, major contributions out of
a guy that bills like go in mac Collins, and
I think it all works together.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
I think Drake May.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Is still a young quarterback learning, which is wild to
think because he's playing so great. Trayvon Henderson's a future
star reminds me of Christian McCaffrey. But Vrabel took this
approach where he basically got rid of every captain that
the Patriots ever had and said, hey, we're going to
take a long term approach for sustained success.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Here in New England.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
That's why it's ironic that they're doing so well and
they're winning as much as they are so far, and
it hasn't been like, hey, this is all on you,
Stefon Diggs, Mac sorry not mac joneson Drake May. He's
been spreading the ball around much more than quarterbacks in
the past have done.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
For the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's been wide receiver by committee, it's been a little
bit of running back commit by committee, and then Hunter
Henry at tight end. So I think the future is
really bright. I just don't think people thought it was
going to be this soon.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
So I think both of us agreed to. The first
five or six weeks, it was more Ben Johnson than Caleb.
But I said before, there's certain things about Caleb that
are true. He's really durable. He doesn't he doesn't go
to the temp. Okay, he doesn't throw a lot of picks.
He does hold the ball too long, but I think

(16:11):
some of that is born from I'll just escape like
I'm gonna hold it another beat. I watched him yesterday
in crappy weather, and I was, like I thought at
the end of the game, I thought, I thought his
last like three possessions. I was, I was really really impressed,
top to bottom. Your sense on what you've seen during
this winning streak.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, I think you probably like Caleb more than me.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I think you're ready to I've heard you say some
things that maybe you're just trying for content for when
Colin was wrong.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Later he listen.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
He's a young player, and so he's done a great
job of improving on the things that he needed to
improve on last year. I got on here every week
and I said, he's got bad body language. He holds
onto the ball too long, he takes too many sacks,
you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Ben Johnson gets hired.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
He basically said the exact same things, and kayleb up
to his credit, has fixed them. He took no sacks
again this past week. He's finding checkdowns. It's not checked down, Charlie.
He's taking shots down the field, but if it's not
there on rhythm, protect the team, protect the offensive line,
he's getting the ball out. I think Ryan Poles has
done an incredible job of basically surrounding him with great talent,

(17:19):
especially upfront. I mean they bring an Aussie trapillo as
an extra tight end for more pass protection, selling the run.
He's got time, and then you put him in the
shotgun game. Most of his success is under center play
action shotgun game in two minutes.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
He's done a great job. So listen.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Am I going to like crown him like you are
because he beat the New York Giants?

Speaker 4 (17:39):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
But Ben Johnson, like I've said, he is the real deal.
And if Caleb buys in and allows himself to be
fully fully coached by this coach, he'll have a long
future in this division, on this team and the team
that's been starving for great quarterback play.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah. Maybe I'm a little hot on him right now.
That's probably fair.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
You just need more content? Are you trying to even
out the scales?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Too much?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
When Colin was right, you just needed a little more
calling wrong for later.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
I get it. Smart, that's next level.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
That's you like those cool players who like they're not
just trying to get like the certain ball in the
trying to set up their next shot like that.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
I wish I was that smart. I'm watching the Seahawks
and I know Pete and John Snyder were not on
the same page about three years ago. And then Pete
leaves and then John this is his roster. And the
last couple of drafts, I've come on that Monday after
the draft and I've been like, man, that's a good draft.

(18:38):
And then they get Sam Darnold, who has less of
a cap hit than Taysom Hill. They get a third
round pick for Gino and I guess my point is
when I watch Seattle play and if I turn the
sound down, Matt, that's the fastest team in the league.
They have athletes everywhere. I'm not sure what the hole is.
Like with Philadelphia, I can say, well, they got an
AJ Brown Jalen Hurts issue. I don't love their corners.

(19:01):
I don't see anything with the Seahawks. I'm not supposed
to like. What do you make of it?

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Well, I'll tell you this stuff you didn't like early
in the year. You know, they were calling for certain
people to get cut, traded, bench, all that stuff. Those
people have been getting coached and they're playing well. I mean,
this Seahawks team has been impressive in all three phases.
I mean, I think they've scored thirty points three times
in the first half of a game this year. So
what's been ironic about them? They're unbelievable on the road,

(19:29):
and they have struggled a little bit at home. They
lost to Tampa at home in a game that they
should have won. So doing what they did yesterday at home,
I think sends a message of like, hey, we are
a team improving on our mistakes. And Mike McDonald, John Schneider,
like you said, they're in lockstep. I also think that
one of the best things I could say about this
team is that this is a team that the players

(19:50):
feel like we care about the success of this team
more than our coaching staff. And that good teams the
coaches care more than the players. Great teams, the players
care more than the coaches. And I think that's what
you find in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
All right, let's circle back. Brian Dabole's gone, I don't
love doing it now you And it's a great point.
Mike Kofa has been around this league. Northwestern guy, if
I recall so a pretty smart quarterback at Northwestern. You're
okay with it because of Kafka, Like if they didn't
have him, you'd be a little unsettled, but you do

(20:23):
think they have a guy in the building that they
should want to watch for a couple months, that's your take.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Well, I listen, they're going to do a full search
on anybody on the planet that they think can help
get it right. But they have this guy that this
is like a little bit of an audition. I mean,
he's the guy for the last what it like three
or four years. His name surfaces every time because they
think that he's.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
A great quarterback whisperer.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Let's see, his personality is completely different than Brian Dayball,
Brian Daball's got it.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Where's his emotion?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Like?

Speaker 4 (20:50):
You see it? You know it?

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Mike kaf does not like that. So it's an opportunity
for the Giants to see what they have. Much like
when you start a young quarterback late in the year,
you're saying, like, we need to find out what we
have in this guy to decide if we need to
go out and draft the quarterback of the future or
if we already have him in the building and we
don't know it. That's kind of what I think about
this situation here. And whoever they hire is going to
have to be somebody that knows what they're doing. When

(21:15):
it comes to Jackson Dart, or at least can hire
the person who knows what they're doing when it comes
to Jackson Dart.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
You know, UCLA is going to move their football games
to soul Far. They're leaving the Rose Ball. What do
you make of that?

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Allegedly allegedly a little controversial?

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Is it the Rose Bowl yesterday? Besides the hour and
a half draffic to get up there, it's a beautiful,
beautiful place to be so well, I don't know. I
don't know what they're going to do there, but it's
a tricky situation called tricky in La.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
It takes an hour and a half to get to
the grocery store, an hour and a half to agree.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
Great seen, buddy, all right, see it?

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Ah love. Matt Hasselbeck on our show gives me crap.
That's exactly you know. I like it from him. From
Jamack it gets really irritating. But from Hasselbeck, I can
take it.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
By the way way that uclad. I'm glad you brought
that up.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
That's a fascinating story, and it is super smart of
UCLA to move their games to so Fi.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
You would agree with that.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Right, I don't love it.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
What are you out of your mother?

Speaker 6 (22:12):
Have you been to Sofi versus where they currently play
their games, Colin, So many more people will go to
the games.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
It's so Fi. It's a it's one of the best
stadiums in the country right now. It's so new. It
is a great venue. I think it's a great attractive.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's closer, it's ten tool well, it's ten miles from
the campus and the Rolls Bowls almost thirty So that's
I mean. UCLA football is broken, so they have to
do something to unbreak it. I mean, it's a broken program. Financially,
they can't figure it out. It's like one of the
lowest nils in the Big ten. So they're trying to
figure out a way to solve a broken football financial issue.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
They sound like a program that's ready to go get
a big name coach. Hey, we're moving our games to Sofi.
We're relevant. They're striving for relevance.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
Colin.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
I think.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
I'm not going to compare it to other jobs in
the country, but right now, I think that job is
on the optick right now. Somebody They're gonna get someone
young and smart, and u se LA's on the rise
for sure.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Better job than the New York Giants, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Wait, hold on, it says here. It says here Westwood
to so far it's twenty three miles.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
Really, I can't confirm that. I only go by Apple Maps.
I don't know where anything is.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I just put how far is west Wood of the
Rose Bowl. Not that the national audience cares. I thought
it was a lot farther.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
I think they care more about that than the Chicago
Bears offense.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
But I'm just kidding. I'm joking.

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Ten NFL teams according to College Number.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Ten, Indianapolis has the number one scoring offense, Number one
in yards per play, number one in total offense. They've
scored thirty plus points in five or six games. Do
they have a ceiling with Daniel Jones? Yep, he's becoming
Daniel Jones again. A lot of giveaways. But here's a
remarkable number on Jonathan Taylor. He has over eight hundred

(24:45):
yards after contact after he's been hit. So this offense
is the real deal. It's got a ceiling. But I
put Indy they gotta be in here. I put him
at ten, number nine. Justin Herbert unbelievable. The Chargers have
the worst pass blocking line I think I've ever seen,
and yet their second best in the NFL on third down.

(25:07):
How they're a number three running back. How the fact
that they're six and one against the AFC, three and
zero against their division. They don't really have a true
number one on their third best running back, and the
pass blocking line is egregiously bad. Justin Herbert's been hit

(25:30):
pressured one hundred and thirteen times second place twenty four
fewer times. Herbert and Harbaugh deserve to be in here.
Nine number eight Lions. You listen, they win. They haven't
lost back to back game since like twenty twenty two,
longest streaking the league. So and say what you want.

(25:52):
Jared Goff seventy plus completion percentage in eight straight road games.
That extends an NFL record we always out of him.
Is good inside, bad on the road. He looked pretty
good to me. They've got multiple guys with eight plus touchdowns.
Armor on Saint Brown, Jamiir Gibbs. You know, do we
trust Dan Campbell situationally in big spots. I don't know

(26:15):
if I do. He took over play calling duties this weekend.
Not great. Detroit at eight. Number seven Ravens. Don't care
about their record. These aren't standings. Basically, they average thirty
points a game and six point one yards of play
when Lamar Jackson plays, Sorry, you're gonna make the list. Also,
if they play the NFC, take them. They're twenty five

(26:38):
and three. I like the roster when healthy, I like
the quarterback, I like the coach. Don't care much about
the record as long as they stay healthy. They'll be
a playoff team. They're gonna win this division. I think
after you watch Pittsburgh against the Chargers, that's fairly obvious.
Number six the Broncos. You can't keep winning this way.
And I don't think they're gonna beat Kansas City this weekend.

(26:58):
They're one of two teams Saints or the other to
trail in every game. It's not sustainable. But they've won
seven games in a row because their coach is great,
their defense is stacked. Their O line's excellent. Fewest sacks allowed,
yet most sacks delivered. That's very rare in the NFL.
I got Denver at six, number five, but Kansas City's

(27:21):
gonna beat them this weekend. They're the current favorite to
beat them this weekend, and they've outgained seven to the
last eight opponents. Listen, I don't love their run game,
but I mean I went back and looked this morning.
How many great run games as Patrick Mahomes had coach
coordinator weapons. I like them. You know, Buffalo tends to
circle the wagons and play their best game every year

(27:43):
in the regular season against Kansas City. Congratulations, how's that
working out for you? I got Kansas City at five.
Number four the enigmatic Eagles at four. Listen, they're four
and one against teams with winning records. They sort of
played to their competition. So they beat the Rams and
the Chiefs and the Bucks and the Packers. They beat
good teams, and they beat him on the road. They
do not give the ball up. I've said this about

(28:05):
Caleb Williams. He doesn't throw picks. The Eagles don't turn
the ball over, and they're very good in the red zone.
So again, playoff football November football is situational football. It's
winning on the road, and they do. And by the way,
Jalen Phillips, you notice last night they pressured Jordan Love
on forty percent of his dropbacks. That is a heist

(28:27):
to get Jalen Phillips at the trade deadline for a
third down pick. And if he leaves, you got a
third round pick back. That is great GMing. Number three
the Patriots, I mean, they go to Buffalo, they win,
They play Tampa off of bye, they win. Drake May
eight and nine games, one hundred plus passer rating. I'm sorry,
and he's doing it without a number one wide receiver,

(28:50):
a good, not great offensive line. They're five and zero
on the road that counts for something on this list.
And they've got a lockdown corner and almost nobody in
the league does. They're seven know when Christian Gonzales out
of Oregon plays, So I mean, you're you're just watching
a great coach, a great emerging quarterback, Kyle Williams the
wide receiver, and Traveon Henderson play them please this weekend.

(29:15):
They did, and they were exceptional. Number two the Seahawks
best point differential in the NFC. Sam Darnold is the
highest quoted quarterback in the league. I mean, he's just fantastic,
tied for the fewest sacks all out on offense, so
they've got there can be a little reckless. Donald has

(29:36):
the weirdest turnovers. Rickocheing balls up a tight end helmet.
But turn the sound down and look at this def
It reminds me of Kansas City's defense about three years
ago when it was really young. Turn the sound down.
There is no faster defense in this league. Everybody runs,
the safeties, the linebackers, the edge rushers, everybody runs on

(29:57):
this team. Depth everywhere. No player hoole Seattle at two.
Number one, But the Rams are a more efficient version
of Seattle, you don't get the penalies, you don't get
the turnovers. Once again, pff Radson is the number one team,
the number one offense, the number three defense. Now Seattle's
got a quarterback that can move around. Kansas City does,

(30:19):
Buffalo does, Baltimore does. I do. Think as a purely
pocket quarterback, you can get into those weird situations. If
you're not running the ball, their offense can get stuck.
But right now, coaching quarterbacking, run game, pass, rush, no penalies,
they don't turn it over. They are the cleanest team

(30:39):
in the league.

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Seahawks Rams this week maybe the game of the year.
Bears Giants last week so we got a lot to address.

(31:23):
Let's start. I want to do Bears Giants. I want
to get that out of the way. So you have
been an advocate for stop kicking field goals. This is
not the future. And it's interesting in the Bears Giants game,
they had an opportunity to go for it. The New
York Giants did and Brian dabol elects, now we're going
to go for three. And we've been talking about this,

(31:46):
the Blue Tent stuff with Jackson Dart. That decision just
gut feeling when they got rid of him, because, by
the way, they've had ten point leads on several teams.
But now without Scataboo, they can't kill the clock. They're
not really built now to get a lead and then
just ball control it. They're not unless Jackson Dart runs.
And that's problematic because you get dinged up. Why do

(32:06):
you think in the end they moved off Dable, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (32:11):
Because I think Dabell is a really good football coach.
I think Dabel is a really good quarterback developer. I mean,
you look what he did with Josh Allen, You look
what he did with you know, with what he's doing
with Jackson Dart. He obviously was the one who really
wanted Dirt in the first place. I think it really
just came down to the expert, you know, the powers

(32:32):
to be just determined. There's obviously a breakdown in our
inability to finish these games. I mean, to lose the
four games that they did with double digit leads. Of course,
Denver being the biggest kind of head scratcher. I don't
think this had anything to do with they don't think
Dabel is a good offensive play caller, that he's not
a good quarterback developer, that he's not getting the best
out of Jackson Dart and you know, a supporting cast

(32:54):
that with Scottaboo out and elite neighbors, you know, with
the group around him, is not particularly dynamic, explosive. They're
still in the ability to get leads in the game.
I think they're looking at it as our decision making,
our game management, Our processes towards the end are just
obviously not where they need to be, and I think
if they were, they'd have maybe four more wins if

(33:16):
they're being greedy, but at least two or three. And
so I think it's more about overall management of games,
decision making more of that than it is the pure
x's and o's the development of the quarterback. So I
think that was probably the final straw. And of course
the field goal was a big storyline. We covered it

(33:38):
at length. That's a larger story going on all across
the league. It kind of played itself out, as you know,
in a moment there in the fourth quarter of the
Giants game, kicking from goal to go. I would never
kick a field goal goal to go unless it was
to literally win the game. But that's a longer conversation
with the new kickoff rules and field position and strategy,
but it's hard to say it came down to one decision.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
I think that was a factor in it.

Speaker 10 (34:02):
I really just think it was the totality of the
entire situation over the last couple of years, they felt
that there was more wins.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
That ended up being the case.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
How do you explain Caleb Williams JJ McCarthy's good on script,
bad off it. Caleb actually has been great late over
the last several weeks. How do you explain that? What
did your eyes see? Why the struggles and then all
of a sudden in the fourth quarter he does a
Vo Nicks. He does a Peyton manning, He's like, Okay,
I'm just going to control the game every snap.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
He was incredible.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
That is the bet.

Speaker 10 (34:35):
Now, granted I haven't watched every snap of every moment
since he's come into the league.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Call it the last year and a half.

Speaker 10 (34:41):
That was by far the best Caleb Williams performance in
his young career.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
And you know, you can look at last year.

Speaker 10 (34:49):
And you know there was a lot of chaos going
on and your coach is getting fired and offensive coordinator changes.
But if we just say, okay, this year is his
first year of stability, first year with Ben Johnson, this
is the Caleb we're going to evaluate.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
It's not even close.

Speaker 10 (35:02):
I mean, his ability they were historically bad last year,
Colin taking sacks, and part of that is his willingness
to play off script and his ability to extend plays,
and he brings a lot of the pressure on himself.
But this year, I mean, the Giants had him dead
to rights ten times. They could not get him on
the ground. And then the piece that came together for him,

(35:23):
especially in the fourth quarters, not only could they not
get him on the ground, his ability to drive the
ball accurately in scramble drilled downfield. I mean if his
receivers they had six drops by far the most of
the year for them.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I think they only had seven coming into the game.
Drops were an issue.

Speaker 10 (35:40):
It was cold, it was windy, but it had no
impact on his ability to drive the ball beyond time. Now,
do you want to play off script football? Is that
sustainable over long periods of time? No, we have seen
that time and time again. There has to be an
element of there has to be an element of rhythm,
there has to be an element of time. And I

(36:00):
think that's still the balance that Ben Johnson's trying to
bring out of Caleb. I think though, when things break
down in today's NFL, which is going to be often past,
protection is very difficult.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
The rushers are very good. Scheme is good.

Speaker 10 (36:12):
You have to have a quarterback that can make second,
second level plays, meaning it's not the initial read, it's
not the initial timing. I got a playoff script. He
can do that as well as anyone. As they continue
to get him into more of the on time rhythm
component of Ben Johnson's drop that game, if that continues
to develop, That's what Chicago thought they were drafting last year.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
So I felt like watching Green Bay and Philadelphia. I
was watching kind of the same thing. Is that both
these quarterbacks when they had elite rushing games last year,
were really excellent. But they're not Mahomes or Lamar or Allen.
Is that if you take the running game away from both,
they're good, but you see the holes. So I could

(36:56):
blame Laflor, I could blame the injuries green Bay. To me,
their inability to run the ball puts more pressure, more
throws on Jordan and I think he's a really good quarterback.
But in my life, Greg, there's been about five quarterbacks
that Joe Burrow can get to the super Bowl with
an atrocious old line that can win games like Justin

(37:20):
Herbert without a run game or as tackles. That's very unique.
There's five or six guys in the planet. And I
think Hurts and Love are good, but the run games
for both have disappeared, and that means more on them.
That's my view, and that that's maybe not what they are.
I mean, I can't explain Green Bay's offense outside of that.
What do you see?

Speaker 10 (37:41):
Yeah, I had the green Bay game, so I saw
him two weeks ago in the home loss in Lambeau
to the Panthers, which yep, you know, they only scored
thirteen points, So they've scored twenty points in the last
two games. With going into the Panther game watching Jordan
Love this year, just the eye test and then diving
into some of the more metric drink than analysis of
just evaluating quarterbacks, you know, looking past pass protection, looking

(38:04):
past opened routes by scheme, but there's a lot of
ways to really like determine how much of this is
quarterback driven and how much of this is scheme and
environment driven by all metrics, film and advanced study. Going
into that Panthers game, I thought, I thought Jordan Love
was a top five quarterback in the league this season
through at the time it was seven or eight games,

(38:25):
I thought he was playing as well as anybody across
the league. And then what we've seen in the last
two weeks is you mentioned the run game, and I
think there's two There's two components to that conversation, right,
there's a lot to be discussed about run game value
and importance. Run game matters. Let's right, it does matter
if you are Jonathan Taylor and Saquon Barkley. Last year,

(38:48):
where they're ripping off these large, chunk, explosive plays and
they're running for fifty yard touchdowns and forty yard touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
You think back to Saquon and the playoffs last.

Speaker 10 (38:56):
Year through their Super Bowl victory, like, yes, the run
game was so valuable because those forty to fifty yard
touchdowns he's running for are better than any pass play.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
But that is so hard to rely on.

Speaker 10 (39:09):
Very few teams have a back in a system that
can generate those plays. So all of a sudden you
start saying, Okay, what is the value of the run game?
We saw both teams last night really commit to staying
true to the run because the score allowed them. But
then you look up at the scoreboard and it's three
to nothing at the end of the first half. So
at the end of the day, in the regular season,

(39:30):
scoring points is directly tied to passing game and explosive
run game. If you don't do those two things, you
are not going to score. You might have good time
of possession, you might run for a lot of total
gross yards, you are not going to score points in
the regular season, which is an offensive driven time of year. Now,
postseason run games more valuable. Defense is more valuable because

(39:54):
we've gotten rid of all the bad teams. All the
bad teams are home sitting on the couch. It's now
just good versus good. Just what offenses can throw and
score a lot of points. There's more value to it.
So I think they've got to get back to putting
the ball in Jordan Love's hand on first and second down,
not being in second and eight, because every first down
is a run. Continue to push the ball downfield, continue
to give his guys chances like that run game will

(40:17):
get better the more aggressive they are with their early
down passing game. I think everyone always wants to look
at it the other way, like We're gonna run them
into run defenses and then I'm gonna throw the ball
over their head, when in reality, the more I fear
your passing game, the more favorable situations both personnel. You're
gonna play a lot of nickel against me, a lot

(40:37):
of little bodies on the field, I'll run at that
and light boxes.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
All of a sudden, Now my passing game leads to
my run game getting better, and it's typically not the
other way around. Most of the time.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Seahawks rams that is that's an assignment, that is gonna
be wild. Seattle has been a bit more reckless than
the Rams. Rams are young on defense, not on offense.
The Seahawks are young everywhere. Go to your youngest team,
Green Bay's young and they're inconsistent. Do you worry about

(41:13):
in the end with Seattle is you know? You got Stafford,
and you got haven Steinwright tackle, and you got Davonte.
There's a lot of beards. There's a lot of old
guys in this league. Seattle is kids in JSN, and
Darnold's still relatively young, and their best offensive lineman's a
rookie and their corners are young. How do you view

(41:34):
the game in Seattle's youth? Because I think Seattle is
stunning a lot of people. We all knew the Rams
would be fine. I don't think most people thought the
Seahawks could arguably the best be the best team in
the league.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah, first off, we're beyond excited.

Speaker 10 (41:48):
We've been thinking about this game since they gave us
the matchup a week or two ago. I think it's
the best matchup of the year. Now, how does the
game play out and how does it live up? Nobody knows,
but I would make the argument these are two of
the top three teams at worst, I could probably make
a really strong argument it's one in two in any
particular order. I think they're so good on both sides

(42:10):
of the ball. I think your point about Seattle's youth
is real, But on some of the best teams that
I've been on, there is kind of like a ignorance's
blist to youth where they're young, they're energetic, they're athletic,
they're living, and they're loving every moment of this, where
like they almost don't even realize how hard what they're
doing is. They don't realize how hard it is to

(42:32):
win at this level. Like all they know is success,
all they know is winning because they haven't been in
the league long enough to have those scars. There's a
power to that, right, there's a beauty to that where
we don't have to undo any of these bad habits,
We don't need to undo any of these bad moments
because you played on another bad team, you know, five
years ago.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
So I think they are young. I think they're extremely talented.

Speaker 10 (42:54):
They've got a lot of star young players at multiple
positions on both sides of the field. And I Donald McDonald,
I give him a lot of credit after one year
of being a head coach. He took a look at
his offense last year and said, you know what, this
is not where we want to be and gino it
did not play bad by any stretch of the imagination.

(43:15):
And as an organization with which Snider and then they said,
you know what, we need to change of pace offensively.
They go out and they get Kubiak from New Orleans,
who took the league by storm as a play caller
early the year, kind of fizzled when he lost Derek Carr.
They saw through that. They said, his vision of offense
is what we want to be here. We want to
be under center, we want to be play action, we
want to be explosive passing game. They get in a

(43:37):
lot of those big bodies. They put you in base
defense to throw the ball against you. It's a really
popular strategy that's becoming more, you know, kind of.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Popular throughout the league. I love.

Speaker 10 (43:48):
And then defensively, you know, with a defensive head coach,
they're always going to put their identity there. They're going
to play fast. Witherspoon's a stud like at DeMarcus Lawrence.
What a great signing that we've seen him kill people
for years in that it is a really fun team
to watch. They're good on both sides of the ball
and everything. I just said, if you just swapped out
the Rams, maybe outside of some of the youth, it's

(44:11):
the exact same story. So yeah, it's it's in my mind,
it's the best matchup of the year with two of
the best three or four teams, if we're being conservative,
in the entire league.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Hey, when you were in Chicago or Carolina, I don't
have the exact years, but Stafford was in the league.
He was losing a lot of games in Detroit. So
when you you had Cam and again Detroit wasn't talked about.
But as a tight end and as a guy who
really studies and thinks the game, did you know Stafford
was this good? Like they was losing, but were you down?

(44:43):
I don't know. If you were Chicago Carolina could have
been both and you had Aaron Rodgers dominating the division,
and you had Brady and you had Manning and all
these guys. And there was that guy up in Detroit
and he was young and he was out of Georgia.
Did you ever think he'd be this?

Speaker 10 (45:00):
I'll tell you know what's so funny about the quarterback position,
and we still do it today. We do it all
the time on both ends of the spectrum. We assume
quarterbacks on bad teams are bad, and we assume that
good quarter that quarterbacks on good teams are good. So
we probably give quarterbacks too much of the credit at times,
and we probably give them too much of the blame

(45:22):
at times when oftentimes, outside of the few extremes, it's
probably a combination of team environment, coaching, and player all
thrown into the pot.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
And mixed up.

Speaker 10 (45:32):
So, I mean, you look back at some of the
years he had with Calvin Johnson, and yes, they lost
a lot of games, and it was not you know,
it was not the Detroit Lions organization that we know
now under Dan Campbell. It was he was always so talented,
the armed what we'd see, he put up big numbers. Now,
granted a lot of that was in playing from behind
and chasing points.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
But I think anybody.

Speaker 10 (45:54):
Who watched football probably could could do a good job
separating the out come wins and losses and watch Stafford
play and say, I know chaos is ensuing around him.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
I know this is dysfunction.

Speaker 10 (46:06):
I know there's coaching turnover and losses are out of
high like, but this dude can flat out play and
then obviously we know what's happened. He gets put with
artably the best coach in the league. You know, mcveigh's
probably tough. You know, he's one or two I don't
know who you'd pick over him, and he gets put
into that environment. They have immediate success, of course, win

(46:26):
in the Super Bowl, but then they experienced some lows.
He went back. Now where can the Rams figured out?
What's his future?

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Is he going to go? Is they going to trade
him to somewhere else?

Speaker 10 (46:35):
Is they going to retire like they went through some
down years following that Super Bowl, where I'm sure a
lot of that experience from Stafford paid dividends. You know,
he had been in that chaos before. And now obviously
they're riding it up. They've drafted incredibly well, They've got
really talented on the on the defensive side of the
ball through the draft, and Stafford at you know, thirty

(46:56):
eight years old or whatever he is. I mean, he's
probably be the MVP of the league. It's him and
Drake May if the season ended today. In pretty remarkable
journey for a guy whose talent leadership. Everybody do you
know that has played with Stafford, whether they won one
game or they.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Won the Super Bowl. Every teammate and coach loves him.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, they do. And he's a pro. He puts in
the time in the film room. I've seen specials on him.
He's a you know, he's a total pros pro. He's
a grinder. Greg Olsen, boy, I don't get jealous much.
Seahawks rams that that is a unbelievable matchup of just
two stacked rosters and go crush it. Thanks man, appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
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Speaker 1 (47:51):
Chase Daniel was talking the other day on a podcast
and he knows the Sean Payton Saints Denver system very
well offensively, and he said when he watches Bone Nicks,
he sees somebody that just doesn't he's not seeing it.
He's not seeing the stuff that's open. But it's interesting.
Everybody's good at spending somebody else's money. But if you

(48:11):
were a GM, and this is what gms go through.
I mean, Cleveland sat down in a room and said,
Baker's driving us crazy. We know he's talented, we're going
to let him go. They probably regret it now, Minnesota,
you know, do we keep Sam, we pay him this,
we let him go, Minnesota regrets it. So Stefanski's really smart,
Kevin O'Connell's really smart. And they let go of Baker

(48:35):
Mayfield and Sam Darnold and now they're Pro Bowl level quarterbacks.
The stuff is hard. It's easy when you get somebody
on a discount, throwing a rookie contract, you know, or
you're spending somebody else's money. But if I said, you're
the general manager and knowing that, the minute you pay
a quarterback big money, the roster will not look the same. Like,

(48:57):
for instance, if you paid Caleb Williams two and ninety
million dollars today, new contract. We gotta let Dj Moore go.
We gotta let Joe Tuny go. We can't pay for
all of it, can't can't get you, gotta let now.
I got Roma Dunza, and I'll still have Drew Dolman
and Jonah Jackson. I probably gotta let Joe Tuney go.

(49:18):
Kansas City had to let Joe Tuny go with protecting mahomes.
They had to let him go guard Okay. So all
these things considered, here are the quarterbacks in the NFL
twenty five and under. There's eleven. Okay. So if I
said you have until the end of the business day
today to make a decision two hundred and ninety three

(49:41):
hundred million dollars contract, half of it guaranteed, who are
the three you would take? The easy one is Drake May.
Drake May wasn't great last year. He was lousy in
the opener against the Raiders, but the last eight nine
weeks that's a franchise quarterback. Drake May's the easy one.
You need three total. The next two I would take

(50:05):
our CJ. Stroud, who's hurt again, and his passer rating
the last two years is eighty nine eight great, not
really a starter, eighty nine. And the next I would
take his Kleb and his two years in the NFL
year and a half, his passer rating hovers around ninety

(50:26):
not great, okay. So and even with Ben Johnson it's
like ninety two and a half. That's not great. I'd
like upper nineties. Okay. So the three twenty five and under,
and for our radio audience, I'll read you the quarterbacks.
Jayden Daniels, Okay, I can't. He's hurt for the fourth
time a year and a half in Jackson Dart lives

(50:50):
in the blue tent. JJ McCarthy obvious reasons. Michael Pennix
junior hurt in college. Looks really really disappointing so far.
Brought Perty Small hurt again. Mag Jones went thirty three
at thirty nine last weekend. Has has brought every done

(51:12):
that We're just asking, uh, cam Ward, who knows Bryce
Young probably not going to extend him. So you start
looking at all these My three one with no hesitation
as Drake may the next two.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
CJ.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Stroud has a couple of playoff wins, hurt again, ninety
passer rating last two years. I would resign him and
Caleb because I think with Ben we're getting a truer
version of himself and it's about a ninety two passer rating.
But everybody bangs on bon Nicks. Let me remind you
of Bonnicks. Two things I want to remind you of.

(51:50):
In the fourth quarter this season, he's basically number one
at everything, first downs, game winning drives total touchdowns, second yards,
really good in the fourth quarter for the record. So
it is Caleb. The second thing is he's durable. He
never gets hurt. Go look at that list again. Jackson
Dart hurt, Jaydon Daniels hurt, Bryce Young hurt, CJ Strout hurt.

(52:12):
Everybody's hurt. Everybody's banged up. BONICKX and Caleb Williams and
Drake May they don't get hurt. Sean Payton this week
on Bonnicks and speeding up his game. Internally, I think
it's a plus and a minus.

Speaker 7 (52:30):
I've said that before. I think one of his great
strengths has not taken sacks, and so the clock in
his head relative to that sense of urgency, So I
think there is a fine line. I think that's a
much easier problem to correct than the latter, which is
taking the sacks, and historically speaking, it's proven to be

(52:52):
much more difficult to fix.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, so he's probably letting go of the ball a
step early, not a step late. He's playing a little fast,
a little frenetic. But you I'm always amazed by people
that overlook durability. How many times is Brock Purdy gonna
be hurt. How many times is Jackson Dark gonna go

(53:15):
to the blue tenth? BONICKX never gets hurt, Caleb Williams
never gets hurt. I need my guys there. So, like
I said this about mac Jones, Mac Jones, I don't
see a lot of injuries. Brock Purdy hurt again all
the time. I don't know how you can overlook that.
Cam Ward, it's almost unfair to put him in there.
He has no support. He could be really good eventually.

(53:38):
But if I said, you got to pick three guys
and you gonna write the check, knowing when you write
the check, you gotta let people go. Now, Drake May,
you can sign that check. They're not paying anybody, so
they wouldn't have to let people go. Travon Henderson rookie,
Kyle Williams receiver, rookie, So they're in a good space.
Will Campbell left can't tackle rookie. They're in a really

(53:58):
good space. But Caleb, if you sign him, or CJ.
Stroud if you sign him, you gotta let people go.
So bow knicks, everybody's banging on bow knicks. Durable wins
games great in the fourth quarter. What is Caleb this year?
Durable wins games great in the fourth quarter. I'm sorry

(54:19):
for me.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
I'm into that.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
I've worked with people in this industry that are really talented,
they're just not dependable. High and low don't get them
every day. We talked about masonry. So I don't know.
You don't have to like bow Knicks and how it looks.
He's the best fourth quarterback in the league right now.

(54:43):
He's never hurt and he wins games. He's eighteen and
nine in a division with Mahomes and Herbert and Harbaugh, Spags,
Andy Reid.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
J Mack.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I know that's a very disappointing segment for you.

Speaker 6 (54:59):
This is an awesome say, and I love this idea.
So I'm going to break it down for you where
I agree and disagree. So I think let's process of
elimination right off the bat. You can eliminate three guys
they're not in the mix. Pryce Young out, Michael Pennix out,
bow Knicks out those three guys, and you.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
And I don't agree on that. I like the durable
guy that wins the games.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
Well again, you know we have two years worth of
data and his numbers are not good at all. Yes,
he has been able to Finagle some wins with Sean Payton,
beat a lot of bad teams, but I would eliminate
bo Nicks. Not enough data so far, Kim Ward, I
don't think you can make a decision. Jackson Dart, I
know we love him, but can't make a decision. And
JJ McCarthy, you cannot. You just he's had four starts, okay,

(55:39):
So that leaves five guys for do you want.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Two or three spots?

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Three spots?

Speaker 5 (55:43):
Okay? Drake May I.

Speaker 6 (55:44):
Think you're right based on the two years we've seen.
I think he's in. I do believe you're missing on
Brock Purty. And why is that, Colin? Because he's played
more than all these guys. Brock Purdy has played way
more games than Caleb Williams. He has more wins, but
you love obviously more touchdown more games. He had two
game winning drives in the postseason two years ago.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
I know Caleb has four this year. Whoa Rock Purdy
has two in the playoffs. Okay.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
Purdy has as yards per attempt or eight point eight
in his career.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Caleb Williams only six point eight.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
Lot of dink and dunk, So I think Rock purtys
a lock I think.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
Brock Purty is after Drake.

Speaker 6 (56:22):
May and then you go between Caleb Stroud and date
Jayden Daniels, and Caleb has looked good.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
But con do you think you're being a little emotional?
You now moved to Chicago. Caleb's on a heater.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
If I told you you'd never seen anybody play, I said,
I'm gonna give you this significantly better athlete who never
gets hurt.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
Well, no, he doesn't never get hurt. He just hasn't
been hurt. I mean he's played like twenty five games
or something.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Caleb didn't get hurt last year. He didn't get hurt
in college, he didn't get hurt in high school. He's
not hurt this year. If I told you did it
with Brock Purty and Caleb Williams, you'd never seen him play,
I said, one guy, Hey, much better arm, also significantly
more athletic and way more durable. Not a GM in
the league that would take brock per Yes. Now here's

(57:09):
the big thing with Caleb. So last year he didn't
look good at all. Numbers were horrible, body language terrible.
Let's stop. Let's talk twenty touchdowns, six picks and a
passer rating close to ninety.

Speaker 6 (57:22):
It wasn't well those are three numbers. There's a billion
numbers that go into the equation. But he changed coaches
and upgraded to Ben Johnson. So now he has basically
brock Purty has Skyle Shanahan and Caleb has Ben Johnson.
And brock Perty's data compared to Caleb's so far is
night and day.

Speaker 5 (57:40):
Rock Purdy's been the better quarterback by almost every metric.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
When he has more starts, and he has a veteran coach,
and he has Christian McCaffrey as McCaffery, and he's heard
all the time, and he's hurt again. And mac Jones
just put up a Sunday better than any brock Purty
ever did from the pocket.

Speaker 6 (57:59):
I mean, Tyson Bagent filled in last year and was
like capable, Remember he had a starter or too low.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
I think nobody, nobody thinks I know Tyson Bagent is
Caleb mac Jones last week. That's a better that's a
better Sunday in the pocket than brock Perty never had
thirty three to thirty nine with backups.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
Just by the completion forcents.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
Listen, I get it, you're out on pretty He had
the shoulder injury in the playoffs and then the toe
thing this year. I mean, if he's injury prone, I
don't know what Joe that makes Joe Burrow injuries happened though,
I mean, come on, Jayden Daniels, flukey putting his arm
down hyper extended.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Mahomes is never hurt, and Josh Allen's not hurt, and
Caleb's not hurt, and bo Nix isn't hurt, and Eli
Manning didn't get hurt. And I mean the truth is,
most of Aaron Rodgers' career he didn't get hurt, most
of Brady's he didn't get hurt. And I think some
guys are just brittle and small. By the way, too
is hurt, and then Kyler gets banged up, and Bryce

(58:54):
Young is hurt, and brock Perty's not big as well.
I don't think it's just coincidence. Like I don't, I
think it's coincidence. The Jags have all these great picks
and none of them pan out, and yet, and yet
Mike Brabel gets his top picks this year, his top
three picks, they all work out. I don't think that's
I don't think that's osmosis happenstance, smart people, bigger, stronger,

(59:17):
durable athletes over time is who I'm with. I've always
told you that before. I like traits and trunky and thick,
and I like all that stuff. That stuff matters to me.
If you're a little small, a little thin, you become
Jaden Daniels. You know.

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Speaker 8 (59:43):
App Let's Blaze it Up Up It's Collins blazon, fuck
Buccingeers and Bills.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
I like Buffalo at home minus five and a half
from one hundred degrees in Miami counting humidity. Now they
get a warm weather team up in Buffalo, where the
weathers forty and windy. They are the number one rushing
offense that matters in bad weather. Outgained opponents in three
straight games. In their last five wins, they've won by
at least a touchdowns. When Buffalo wins, they tend to

(01:00:13):
play down hail and win big Tampa. Bucky Irving not
playing Mike Evans, not playing Chris Godwin, probably not playing
Their offense is dried up in Tampa out gained in
five straight games. They're averaging eighteen points. Are the Bucks
in their last three? They're two beat up. They're asking
too much of Baker Mayfield. I like the Bills to

(01:00:34):
win an ugly weather thirty to twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Three and cover Seahawks and Rams.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Wise, guys may not agree with me. I'll take Seattle
plus three ten straight road wins, so that's not an issue.
Tied for the fewest sacks allowed and the second most sacks.
That's very Denver like. It's easy to win games when
your quarterback is the more comfortable, averaging six and a
half yards a play, so they extend drives, keep Sam

(01:01:03):
Darnold JSN on the field, and not a small note,
great special teams number one PFF. That matters because the
Rams special teams have been wonky all season. Also, the
Rams three of their four wins have been against backups.
On this winning streak, they're a little overvalue to me.
This is a Pickham game. I like Seattle getting a

(01:01:27):
field goal. Keep your eye on special team's edge for
the Hawks. Twenty eight twenty seven Seattle wins outright.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Forty nine Ers and Cardinals.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Ah brock Perty's playing I like the Niners minus two
and a half. They're coming off their worst loss of
the season. They will be in a bad move. Brock Purty,
of all the teams he's ever played, has owned Arizona.
The Cardinals have lost six of seven. James Connor Marvin
Harrison out so they don't have most of their weapons.

(01:01:58):
They've been outscored badly in the fourth quarter. They don't
have much to begin with. I know j Mack loved
him in the preseason, but they got no juice, no energy,
and they're missing stars. They do not get to the quarterback.
Ninerszero line has been better than I've given it credit for.
Rock thirty has time to throw. His team's getting healthier.
Niners win and they cover twenty eight to twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Ravens and Browns.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
I like the Browns plus eight and a half. Have
not lost by more than one score at home against
the division opponent since twenty twenty three. They always played
tough at home against their division. Dylan Gabriel has been stabilized,
no interceptions in four of his five starts, multiple touchdowns
in the last couple. He's been stabilized by a great coach,

(01:02:47):
and he's getting that rookie running back quinch On Judkins
is now on fire and in a groove, so they
can do some ball control in cold weather. The Ravens
third straight road game. Play a lot close games against
divisional opponents, and the outther thing is that defense on
the road is not very good for Baltimore. It's not
the same. It's much better at home. I think Baltimore

(01:03:10):
wins eight and a half way way too many points. Ugly,
low scoring game. Third straight road game for the Ravens,
a little fatigue, twenty four to twenty. Take the points.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Lions at Eagles.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
I like Philadelphia. They're a step up team. They're four
to one this year against teams with winning records. They
often play better in the bigger games. Packers, Bucks, Chiefs,
Rams beat them all. Their offense never turns it over.
Four giveaways all season. They don't beat themselves, and they're
great in the red zone. Nobody's better, not even the Chiefs.
So if they can move the ball, and I think

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they will, they will score in the red zone. The
Lions defense on the road not the same. Jared Goff
playing under fifty degrees, everything moves down. Regression takes place.
The Nationals banged up Sam Laporte's banged up Detroit cold
weather worries me, and I think Philadelphia knows what they are.

(01:04:08):
I think they're gonna win this game and cover twenty
eight to twenty four. Two of the best rosters in
the NFL. So I like a clear dog in the
Cleveland Browns, but I like favored Buffalo favored forty nine Ers,
favored Eagles. Seahawks rams line doesn't make a lot of
sense to me that that should be a pick them

(01:04:28):
to one point. Now that Seattle gets a field goal,
I really like him. Again, keep your eye on special
teams because the Seahawks have been excellent in the rams.
I think they're using now another kicker.