April 14, 2022 • 42 mins
First, (3:00), Colin gives his take on Baker Mayfield's recent podcast appearance slamming the Browns and critical fans, and if Dodgers were right to yank Clayton Kershaw during a perfect game after 80 pitches.
Then, NBA Hall of Famer and 5-time All-Star Chris Webber joins Colin to discuss how Patrick Beverley gets under the skin of opponents (15:00), if he would rather face the Celtics or Nets in the playoffs (18:00), the biggest difference between regular season and playoff basketball (21:00), why it's not going to be easy for the Warriors to move off Klay for Jordan Poole (23:00), why he never felt Anthony Davis is a Robin, not a Batman (27:00), if he was a Magic Johnson fan despite being a Pistons fan (31:00), and why he's worried about the widespread trend of NBA players sitting out regular season games (35:00).
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will join us his thoughts on the NBA Playoffs and
the plan game. So far, so Baker Mayfield did an
interview on a podcast, and he just sort of let
it rip, let it fly. At one point he said,
on the field of Dickhead, that's never changed. He admits
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he's got a Napoleon syndrome. He says he felt disrespected
by the Browns, and he says he liked to go
into somebody's office and boo them to see how they crumble.
He admitted his critics also got to him. You know,
Marshall McLuhan is a famous scholar of communications. He famously
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said the medium is the message, meaning not so much
what you say, but how you say it and where
you choose to say it. Baker was lake house with
a bunch of buddies. Host is there, camo hat drinking
a beer. Very casual, It's very let it rip. This
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is where I think Baker Mayfield's personality has never been
right to be a quarterback. My wife's an artist. I'm
more the compartmentalizer, the observer. We have different person Yes,
we make it work, but I will never be able
to paint like her, and she won't be able to
do certain things I can do. I think the greatest
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quarterbacks have talent, but their personalities match the position. Tom
Brady obviously is a great example, so is Peyton Manning.
Very calculated, obsessed with preparation, from the podium to a podcast,
to preparation to the sidelines to pre snap. You'll see
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very brief emotional outbursts a fist pump by Brady. Peyton
Manning will occasionally bark at his center, but they're very
much under control. Baker's personality is much more comedian, surfer artist,
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highly emotional letter rip. That, of course is a big
advantage in surface or a comedian. You lean into your talent,
don't overthink it, and just let it go. But the
Russell Wilsons, the Peyton Mannings, the Tom Brady's, they understand
being a franchise quarterback, everything has to be planned. It's
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not a letter rip position. Jay Cutler, Cam Newton, Baker,
Mayfield sort of letter rip personalities. Don't think before they speak,
often way too casual. It's one of my knocks on
Drew Locke, the now Seahawk quarterback. I don't need to know.
Baker's got a Napoleon problem. Right now, He's interviewing for
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a job with every other GM in the league. Do
you think they want a quarterback with a short guy complex.
Do you think they want a quarterback who says he
was bothered by the criticism and how to get off
social A quarterback who said I'd like to go into
fans cubicles and boo them. He's showing weakness. He's showing
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an inability to control his emotions, that he doesn't have
control of them. They control him. Again, there's a reason
certain people flourish in certain jobs. I talked to myself
all day. I was meant to talk. It's what I do.
I could never have been an artist. There are certain
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positions I just don't have the right emotional state for.
I think Baker's talented, but he almost has a linebacker's personality,
a wide receiver's personality, highly emotional, very casual, says the
first thing that comes into his mind. There are a
lot of great jobs for that quarterback. In my opinion,
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it's not perfect. So there was a baseball situation yesterday.
They got people really worked up. Clayton Kershaw perfect game.
After eighty pitches, he was pulled. And this is something
that's important. First of all, it was game two. He's
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six months off surgery. He's an older pitcher. He's very
valuable of their World Series chances. It was under forty degrees,
under forty degrees, and this is an older pitcher. Now
managing that arm and his health becomes really important. We
know this in all sports. I totally understood why the
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Dodgers did it, Folks. Sports are not just there athletes
are not just there for your personal enjoyment. Colin, There's
only been twenty three perfect games and Clayton Kershaw only
has one left arm this franchise. The Dodgers are favorites
to win the World Series. Okay, the perfect game is
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like an award. It's cute. Kershaw is a Hall of
Famer first ballot. His legacy is set, got one World Series.
Would like to have more over one hundred million dollars
in the bank. Okay, to win an award, to throw
a no hit or perfect game is wonderful. But Clayton
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Kershaw totally understood the situation. Sports is not just there
for your enjoyment. Big picture, if Clayton Kershaw's twenty four
and plays for the Mariners or A's with no shot
to win a World championship, the Royals or the Pirates,
and he's a kid not coming off surgery and it's
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game two. You go for it, But the bigger picture
for the Dodgers is we're not risking an injury. I'll
give you an example, Kevin Durant. Remember years ago he
got hurt. He came back in for the Warriors in
the playoffs, and they were going to minute limitations, but
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he came back and he was on fire and they
stretched how many minutes he played and he got hurt.
Big picture should have pulled him out earlier. You can't
just go with an older, somewhat brittle athlete. You can't
just go on current momentum. You have to go into
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games or series with pitch counts or minute limits. So, yes,
it drives you crazy. Kershaw agreed to it, understood it.
They have bigger goals here than perfect games or no hitters.
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you went through. And I think it's good to not
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I never really was like dating around or anything like that,
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was dating someone for a few years. And then after
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I love it. So I want to talk to you
about Patrick Beverley, And I know it's a weird place
to start, but but but you know, Bill Lambier tackled people,
Dennis Rodman was a pain in the ass, and you
know as a as a Fab five guy, as a
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Michigan guy, is that there is absolutely in my opinion
room for Patrick Beverley. But what is the line, Chris,
between being physical and screwing with guys knees, hurting them
like as a pro athlete, I don't know what the
line is. What is it with Patrick Beverley? What does
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he do that bothers you? And what are you okay with? Man?
That's a great question. Thanks for having me on. I
think first, I think everybody would want to play with
him in a quick The Lamber story. One of my
favorite players ever growing up in Detroit, and I used
to love it. He's one of the reasons why I
love playing on the road and would do like this,
the booze, the antics. He really taught us to embrace.
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You're gonna get hated anyway. However, when I played against
some true story my first time in the NBA, going Home,
I knew the guy. I go up and get a rebound,
tapped against the backboard to show how high I could
jump and go down to the court. You know, it's
like old trick and catching tapped. The next time I
go up and I see him, he sticks his leg
out and I twist my ankle. I think maybe seventeen
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seconds or two minutes into the game, something like that,
and I was out probably six games my rookie year.
And so even though he's one of my favorite players,
it's one of the dirtiest things that I've seen. So
I did the game, I believe, I commentate the game
when he and Westbrook Bumpani's like after a late time out,
I don't think that was dirty, because I've seen players
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do that their whole careers. However, I think the answer
is not saying anything and maybe taking one technical with
a quick elbow. It's really it's really easy if you
don't get caught up in an antic, especially in a
two three game series, it's really easy to shut them
down because then they start looking like a little clownish.
The only way they don't look like the clown is
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when they bring you into the argument and you have
to try to figure out who's really, you know, acting,
who's the bad Actorings. Yeah, I know that's what he
did with Morris. He got him worked up, he got
into his head. Was there ever a guy in the
league that was a talker with you and try to
reel you in? Not a talker because you couldn't get
me that way? So if you wanted to slide under
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the Collins brothers, I hated playing them, Naharah mattson. Any
guy then that would fly smarten, use their brain, get
in front of you. But I hated those guys because
they got the benefit of the doubt. They're beating you
up just as much and they're getting the benefit of
the doubt. And to me, those guys were i'm gonna say,
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just as effective. They don't have the winning record of
the Rotten and but in games they're just as you know,
as effective as a Beverty as well. So yeah, those
guys I used I used to hate to hate plenty
of this, those guys. So I'm not going to ask
you necessarily to pick a series, but I want to
talk kind of fundamentally holistically about the league. So I
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don't I don't buy the Celtics and I don't buy
the Heat. And my reason is, and I do buy
Brooklyn because my theory is when the playoffs start, refs
swallow the whistle, they get out of the way, and
this is when stars can really manipulate marginal players and
average players. And outside of Jason Tatum, Celtics don't have
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a closer out. I don't think Miami does have a closer.
I think Jimmy's just a great athlete, same with Bam
and so Brooklyn's got so many things. I don't like
their size, their bench, the lack of chemistry. They're so
KD Kyrie centric. Would you rather play a Boston who
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grinds your ass on the defensive end, who has they
they don't have the star power but every time down
the floor? Or would you rather play you know, that
kind of team but they don't have stars, or a
Brooklyn who's got two guys that are unstoppable, but all
sorts of holes all over the team. I remember playing
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against Dallas, who at the time had the fastest pace.
It was Finley, Nash and dirt Oh. I remember those teams.
You don't want to play them, You just don't because
you just have no rest of thought. Because when those
three on the court, you really have to be engaged
every single play, every because every play is a threat.
I really thought Cleveland could have come back. I told
someone I called him early in the second half. I said,
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Clevelands going to come back and win this game. But
I didn't take into the affect that Duran's one of
the best shooters ever to play, right. But yeah, I
could definitely, you know, I'm like you, I would take them,
but I would rather, you know, play a team that
doesn't have those options in the Boston and that as well.
I agree. Yeah, so you're basically what you're saying Brooklyn
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does is they put such immense pressure on you because
if you're not alert, they will score it. Well, I
mean the shots that Katie was hitting into media basketball,
the hardest shot in the game that Jordan Master m
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dribble pull up going baseline because you really don't know
how to check the guy if you pump fakes, can
he continue to go? And the shots that Kade was hitting,
you know, it was terrible. It was great defense and
he pulls up and shoots that tough shot that really
if you're another team, if anybody else, but those two
I'm taking my chances with that shot, making the guy
take the shot off the dribble fading right too, and
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so I just yeah, I just it gets so deflating.
It's almost like a dunk used to be worth more
than two points because it would take the air out
of your team. Yeah, it's the same way as a bomb.
It's seven points, but you know it hurts more than
the one yard run. So you know, I totally agree
with you in that theory. And I think a lot
of people you know, are over they have two high
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expectations on Boston. I feel you that way. I think
people don't take for granted you need a couple closures
in the playoffs, and you know, one of those guys
get cold, you can go to another. And that's why
Brooklyn and he has, you know, definitely advantage. What tell
me the difference between regular season and playoff basketball? Um, like,
last night, they don't count the playing game as the playoffs.
And I said on the air, I said, that's playoff basketball.
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You can call it whatever you want. But even the
officiating they were letting guys bump. Uh you know, they
I felt watch and I'm like, oh, that's playoff basketball.
You can call it whatever. So you tell me go
back to your career, like where could you really tell
could you notice rookies getting tighter, young guys getting tighter?
I think two things for me, how loud the fans were,
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Like everything was just over exaggerated, like now's the time
you've become a start. Like the guy off the bistic
gets one minute and one still there's one hundred people
outside waiting for him if you get to win. So
just that you feel, you know, WWF you know you
can cut the intensity with or not if you really
feel that. I always used to really notice that. And
then second, how tired you would get in the first quarter,
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Like I can't explain. I don't know what that is.
Is that nerves and giner that how you're boring up's
and everything. But it was almost like you know, you
have no more excuses and you've been waiting, even emotionally
to put everything into this moment. And so I think
it really is the energy and how do you make
make sure you give your all the times but still
conserved at times you don't need to waste it pumping
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up the crowd, you know, so you know the crowd
then kind of how your body reacted to the moment,
you know, is a kind of special food. So when
you go over to the Western side, a team that
I find really interesting, Golden State. So Jordan Pool is
now emerging as a star. Clay Thompson's not quite what
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he was off injury. And when Clay plays a lot
of minutes, I think it hinders Jordan Pool. And I
think everybody knows that on the roster. But Clays your guy, Okay, Clays,
you're dude. You travel with him, You've probably got into weddings.
You get into a weird situation where everybody in the
damn rooms like, should do Jordan Pool needs to play
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forty two minutes? Tell me how difficult that is when
one of your guys, you know, he's eroding, he's not ascending,
and here comes the young buck. Can it screw with chemistry?
So I heard you today, and I hope that for
fans sake. You know, I love it when you go
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off on tangents or rabbit holes, and I hope that
you really go down the rabbit hole of the draft.
Pick does not mean as much in big cities anymore,
and your soul, right, you need to really go down
in that rabbit hole. I'm sure researchers can get you
a lot of LA didn't get shocked. You know, they
didn't draft Shot, So I totally you know, I agree
with you on that. However, I don't know if I
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can answer this question and not be sentimental. And I
think that's the problem that Clay gives. They are a dynasty.
They were a dynasty. You're right in every way, but
I'm just adding the motion which you're gonna have to
take an effect for fans and other things, especially if
you don't win one and you're betting on Pool who
is going to be great. But you know you would
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do that to Clay and he's not yet a full
year in h you know, he this dynasty never got
a chance to win once we saw a team get
hurt or Katie get hurt. You know, this unfinished business.
He's you know, of course Draymond and the last you know,
vestiges of that soul. If you are right, I would
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not want to be part of that. I was in
Detroit again Pisness fan when we had a parade, and
I think the next day and Rick Moore said, oh,
thank you for helping me lose all this weight, I
love you, and like three days later he was trading
for I believe Mark Reguire and I mean as a
Pisness fan, and we won. But I was just hurting man,
and I would not want to be the man that
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trading played Thompson because if what works, like there's anything
but a championship works, and if not, I think keeping
him around still trying to win a championship may be
the best. But I do think that makes sense. Yeah,
I mean, listen, this is all It's a relationship business.
I mean, the truth is Steph Curry has made the
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owner a billion dollars easily in in in value of franchise.
In marketing sales, you do sometimes have to go to
your star and say, hey, man, this is this is
a go either way decision, you know. I mean, I
think I gotta get more formal though, I gotta get
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more and I think you said Athony Davis earlier, I'm
not I'm not taking him. I don't, I don't you know,
I'm not. I'm not taking him for Clay for the
community because it is relationship. So right, if we're gonna
do that kind, we gotta go. We gotta go get
maybe Bill and someone else and give up our picks
because I really believe you on that. But I just
don't think you know, we're gonna have to go for
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a super superstar because that's who I believe he would.
I still believe he has two years is left to
the ever, So let's go to that. Let's pivot to
the Lakers. That. Um, I'm I think people tell you
are who they are. I think it was Maya Angelo
who said that people tell you who they are. Believe that.
So when Ad came in out of shape off the
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Bubble Championship, I mean, Lebron is sitting there a thing
in time out. I'm obsessed with this sport, dude, I
just need you to be in shape as a pro athlete.
I would have moved off him there by low sell high.
Now with the injuries, this is who he is. He's
showing you who he is. He's not a workout fiend.
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It's not really a leader. He's hella talented, but he's
hurt increasingly more. What was your feeling when you were
in the game about athletes that get hurt. Is it
bad form to move off them or did you always
feel like, hey, man, some dudes they just they can't
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give you AD two. They can't mean how as a
pro athlete, how do you view that? Yeah, and I
was plagued by injuries or like ankle injuries things like that.
So AD's last injury you can tell like it wasn't
his fault, you know, like Curry suffered injuries. But I think,
you know, if you're gonna get injured, I want to
know what guy will work is, you know, tail off
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to come back the fastest. So then I have to
take your work ethic into a kind of and so
I do think some guys is unfair. And I do
think as an athlete, you work out a lot so
that you can feel confident that you won't have those breakdowns.
And then you look at guys that don't work out
and you say, see that's why. And so it's not
even the injuries, you know, I just I just go
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back to the previous memory of anybody playing with le Bron.
That's how I just play because I know it's a
different day and you can win championships. And I think,
you know, my generations should kind of admire the fact
that you can go play with friends and free agency.
But at the same time, you know, watching a guy
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like Dirk, even though you want a championship, but you
knew he was a winner even before if he would
have never won one because of how you knew he
put Dallas on his back and he could trust that
he just needed help. I never felt that way with
a d that he just needed help. I felt that
he could be that missing piece for someone else, but
(30:18):
that no one else could be that. And I don't
know when he's proven that. That's why he's a wonderful talent.
But you know, I I'm just looking, you know. And
he had some big shots with Lebrons. I get that,
but you know, we're talking about him being an alpha,
and I don't I don't know when when that's worked.
So I'm not as high on him injury or not
(30:40):
being the number being the number one guy. If Lebron's
num on the team. Lebron's on the team, he could
be number one the team. But I'm not the Clippers.
I had a good source inside the Clippers that told
me when a d was on the market, they didn't
think he was a a leader or be tough. They
thought he was gifted, and they didn't think he would
play through injuries. They didn't think he worked out enough.
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Now they've had their own troubles with Paul George and
Kawhi Leonards staying healthy, but they the idea was everybody
loved a d and the Clippers have a very shrewd,
very deep roster, very shrewd front office. They didn't love him,
and their takeaway was he has to be led. He
can't lead. I mean, listen, Chris, all years you played,
how many guys were great leaders? Truthfully not maybe maybe
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roll to a roster maybe and maybe and sometimes the
best player when I was younger, maybe he didn't want
to be the leader because he was figuring out some
other things and was like, I'll let you guys kind
of figure it out. I don't want to, you know.
Or maybe they just led individually saying, hey, this is
how you stay in shape, but you know, I'm not
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going to the team signings and things like that. So
when you find a guy like that, when you find
someone that you admire, they have game, and that is
very rare. And usually it's the star player and the
guy that has been through everything and doesn't want you
to waste your chances. So no, it's it's you really
have to learn that as well, because every guy, no
matter how confident they are, you know, we're the most
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confident in sports. But again we're still fans of the game,
and therefore there's that insecurity. You follow the sport a
long time, whether leiques out of interviews, whether leakus out
in the way you treat people, where the leagues out
of something. After the game, you know, you can kind
of see those areas, so to say, great leaders man,
Yeah maybe maybe yeah, yeah, maybe two or three a
team okay, HBO winning time. Not sure if you've seen it.
(32:32):
It's the Jeff Perlman book on the Championship Lakers. Speaking
the leadership Magic Johnson. You had prickly stoic Kareem, you
had a crazy owner, Norm Nixon, and here came Magic,
big personality, budding heads, a lot of pushback, obviously a
great leader. As a Michigan kid, yeah, as a Pistons fan,
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how did you view he went to Michigan State? He
was he was on the other team, the Lakers. Did
you hate Magic as a player? I remember I remember
Michael Jackson coming out in nineteen eighty four, and I
remember screaming to my mom, like please do Billy Jean.
I remember that. I think it was More Time twenty fifth.
I remember remember where I was. I remember where I
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was when Magic got out of the limo and Sawbird
and I ran around the house screaming. I remember it, like, oh,
what's going on? Like I was the biggest Magic Johnson
fan in the world. His father worked in the factory.
He was from Lansing, Michigan. I got to meet him
in seventh grade. His smile, he was tall, in a
point guard. He got to push the ball. He was
(33:41):
in the video with New Edition. I think it was
secret like a video, but this is my favorite. You know,
he was cool and he was like a man of
the people, and so I loved him, I you know,
and growing up, you know, I grew up loving Michigan
and Michigan State, so I knew, you know, who he was.
As a Pistons fan, it was like the only situation
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where you could like the Lakers in their fake Hollywood ways,
because you knew they had sincerity from Michigan there. But
when we beat them, I wanted to beat them more
than anything, and I wanted Isaiah to get off. I
wanted to beat them, but you know, he has to
be him, Bird a couple other guys has to be
my favorite players of all time. So he was our
doctor Jay. He was the world of basketball. And I mean,
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you know, I love La. I remember, like you know,
putting in the VCR watching tapes, watching tapes in the
VCR of just the opening scene of we We Beat
La Beat La from the Screams in Boston and those
type of things. So yeah, magic Magic was you know,
we're always point. I used to take my fingers like
him because I don't know, I thought maybe that could
(34:46):
make you drive them. But yeah, he was. He's magic man.
So yeah, I haven't seen the series that I'm trying
to wait so I can bench watch it all. I
can't wait, but um, yeah, man. And you know, to
have leadership like that as well from getting in to
see and also I could say one more thing. The
best leaders to me are the ones that like shut
up when it's time to work. And from what I
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know about Magic, the practices were legendary because as hard
as Riley and others work on him, he was always
ready in the shape. Some people just had a motor
like that, like Jordan Stay able to do all that,
and part of that leadership is not just being able
to be a raw rock guy, but then trusting that
you're gonna get on the line with him after a
rough night, and Rust and Express as well. So the
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other day I had former Metal World Peace I think
his name is Meta Santa for our test. Now. I
hope I got that right. And I said to him,
I said, man, we can't normalize all these stars missing games.
Like I'm a kid from a small town. I went
to a Sonics game every three years of downtown. Freddie
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Brown and Gus Williams and Jack Spickaman didn't play. It's
bad man. It was sad for me. And he said,
he said something very interesting, Chris. He said, listen, man,
these guys now in the last three or four years,
are making thirty forty million dollars. They're young people like
it's a lot, and they they are hanging out with
(36:10):
Hollywood A listers. They're making more than movie stars. And
he said, I think over time they'll get adjusted to it.
A lot thrown at them. They've never made more money.
He's like, I mean, he goes, it was six seven
years ago a guy could make nine million and that
was money. Now it's thirty five, and the new CBA
benefits the star players. They make more than ever. And
(36:33):
it was an interesting takeaway, and I thought to myself,
you know what, I remember my first big contract that
was like thirty two. Thirty two, not twenty two. You
get ahead of yourself a little bit. You start thinking
you're really, you know, a little bit greater than you are.
Your takeaway on the missing of games by stars, do
you think some of it is We're just transitioning a
(36:54):
lot of money last four years. Guys, are you, know
what I mean, feeling themselves a little or are you
genuinely long term worried about it. I'm a little worried
about it because it's part of the culture. So it
starts with the team, you know, it starts with the team.
(37:15):
Going from when I played, we would be in practice
after getting hurt in a game a Wednesday that doesn't
matter in Milwaukee I'm talking about doesn't matter, but because
the culture is to eat a steak and yell at
a guy and feel good about yourself through that. Not
getting any better through practice, but running lines and things
that have nothing to do with getting in shape. That mentality.
(37:37):
Remember the jokes he takes years off of guy's careers.
It was a joke, but it wasn't a joke. Guys
were not joking about it, and so kind of that
overexaggerated sense of man up and all that stuff, when
really it should have been like, hey, guys, we just
had a six game and seven nights. Y'all need a
day off. But it was always a big who so
(37:57):
one that really messed it up. So too teams trying
to fix it and then validating rest is what opened
the floodbas my friend, when you have a team saying
you know, hey, guys, just let me know how you're feeling,
then you know, my my loyalty to my feeling, not
to getting through it. I don't want to walk the
treadmail and get up every morning, but if I don't
(38:19):
think about my feelings, I'll get through it and overall
it helps my body. So I think the team gave
away out third. You know, when you did that at
thirty two or I did that in my twenties, we
were like going against the grain, kind of like you
you knew there were better stories, or don't do this,
don't do that. Well, now it's the culture of you know,
(38:39):
why not? You know you should be doing this right,
you know, And so I think anytime you're going anytime
the culture seems to be going in the way of
rest or. You know, when I played with Ai, this
is so true. You know, so many things are over exaggerated.
But he really played every game and you could say Ego,
(39:02):
you could say pride, but he always started with somebody
in the arena that never saw him. And maybe you
have to be that good sometime to realize, like, I'm
gonna make this kid's life. Maybe maybe it has to
be that because sick when those guys knew it, because shoot,
the games didn't come on TV. It was late and late,
you know, you know, maybe it was more special, you
know what I mean. Yeah, I get a little worried
(39:24):
about that. But I do believe, you know, in the
optimism of meta. You know, I do think it can
come back. But we used to be like we make
the money. Money don't make us. Now we might do
something stupid with the money and you know, lose our mind.
But the principle was, you know, we played the game.
Money doesn't make you good my paycheck. Matter of fact,
you make one of me, I'm gonna show you why,
Like you know, so that worries me that the the
(39:47):
spirit of the spirit of it has changed as opposed
to what guys were doing. Yeah, No, I think there's
been a lot of cultural changes. It's harder to hard
coach a player. I mean even I mean Chuck Daly
had Hall of Famers, he coached them hard, pat Riley hard. Yes,
(40:07):
it's hard. That hard coaching thing, Chris, it doesn't it
doesn't really exist anymore. No, thank you for coming to
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the plan game. So far, so Baker Mayfield did an
interview on a podcast, and he just sort of let
it rip, let it fly. At one point he said,
on the field of Dickhead, that's never changed. He admits
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he's got a Napoleon syndrome. He says he felt disrespected
by the Browns, and he says he liked to go
into somebody's office and boo them to see how they crumble.
He admitted his critics also got to him. You know,
Marshall McLuhan is a famous scholar of communications. He famously
(04:25):
said the medium is the message, meaning not so much
what you say, but how you say it and where
you choose to say it. Baker was lake house with
a bunch of buddies. Host is there, camo hat drinking
a beer. Very casual, It's very let it rip. This
(04:47):
is where I think Baker Mayfield's personality has never been
right to be a quarterback. My wife's an artist. I'm
more the compartmentalizer, the observer. We have different person Yes,
we make it work, but I will never be able
to paint like her, and she won't be able to
do certain things I can do. I think the greatest
(05:10):
quarterbacks have talent, but their personalities match the position. Tom
Brady obviously is a great example, so is Peyton Manning.
Very calculated, obsessed with preparation, from the podium to a podcast,
to preparation to the sidelines to pre snap. You'll see
(05:34):
very brief emotional outbursts a fist pump by Brady. Peyton
Manning will occasionally bark at his center, but they're very
much under control. Baker's personality is much more comedian, surfer artist,
(05:55):
highly emotional letter rip. That, of course is a big
advantage in surface or a comedian. You lean into your talent,
don't overthink it, and just let it go. But the
Russell Wilsons, the Peyton Mannings, the Tom Brady's, they understand
being a franchise quarterback, everything has to be planned. It's
(06:18):
not a letter rip position. Jay Cutler, Cam Newton, Baker,
Mayfield sort of letter rip personalities. Don't think before they speak,
often way too casual. It's one of my knocks on
Drew Locke, the now Seahawk quarterback. I don't need to know.
Baker's got a Napoleon problem. Right now, He's interviewing for
(06:42):
a job with every other GM in the league. Do
you think they want a quarterback with a short guy complex.
Do you think they want a quarterback who says he
was bothered by the criticism and how to get off
social A quarterback who said I'd like to go into
fans cubicles and boo them. He's showing weakness. He's showing
(07:06):
an inability to control his emotions, that he doesn't have
control of them. They control him. Again, there's a reason
certain people flourish in certain jobs. I talked to myself
all day. I was meant to talk. It's what I do.
I could never have been an artist. There are certain
(07:26):
positions I just don't have the right emotional state for.
I think Baker's talented, but he almost has a linebacker's personality,
a wide receiver's personality, highly emotional, very casual, says the
first thing that comes into his mind. There are a
lot of great jobs for that quarterback. In my opinion,
(07:49):
it's not perfect. So there was a baseball situation yesterday.
They got people really worked up. Clayton Kershaw perfect game.
After eighty pitches, he was pulled. And this is something
that's important. First of all, it was game two. He's
(08:12):
six months off surgery. He's an older pitcher. He's very
valuable of their World Series chances. It was under forty degrees,
under forty degrees, and this is an older pitcher. Now
managing that arm and his health becomes really important. We
know this in all sports. I totally understood why the
(08:35):
Dodgers did it, Folks. Sports are not just there athletes
are not just there for your personal enjoyment. Colin, There's
only been twenty three perfect games and Clayton Kershaw only
has one left arm this franchise. The Dodgers are favorites
to win the World Series. Okay, the perfect game is
(09:00):
like an award. It's cute. Kershaw is a Hall of
Famer first ballot. His legacy is set, got one World Series.
Would like to have more over one hundred million dollars
in the bank. Okay, to win an award, to throw
a no hit or perfect game is wonderful. But Clayton
(09:20):
Kershaw totally understood the situation. Sports is not just there
for your enjoyment. Big picture, if Clayton Kershaw's twenty four
and plays for the Mariners or A's with no shot
to win a World championship, the Royals or the Pirates,
and he's a kid not coming off surgery and it's
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game two. You go for it, But the bigger picture
for the Dodgers is we're not risking an injury. I'll
give you an example, Kevin Durant. Remember years ago he
got hurt. He came back in for the Warriors in
the playoffs, and they were going to minute limitations, but
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he came back and he was on fire and they
stretched how many minutes he played and he got hurt.
Big picture should have pulled him out earlier. You can't
just go with an older, somewhat brittle athlete. You can't
just go on current momentum. You have to go into
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games or series with pitch counts or minute limits. So, yes,
it drives you crazy. Kershaw agreed to it, understood it.
They have bigger goals here than perfect games or no hitters.
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could talk to me a little bit about the process
you went through. And I think it's good to not
pat yourself on the back, but to put it out
there so other people can kind of hear what it takes.
Like I don't know. I always look at like this,
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I never really was like dating around or anything like that,
and then I got into a long term relationship and
was dating someone for a few years. And then after
getting out of that relationship, I think these this past
year or so or whatever whatever it has been like
(15:37):
meet like actually living life as a single person. It's
very hard, and I think it's what do you mean,
I like, not hard, I should say, but like, it's
very different knowing nothing but long term relationships and then
moving into like the single lifestyle. That's like quote dating
around and like feeling people out. That's kind of been
(15:59):
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the Hall of Famer FAB five, five time All Star,
number one pick Rookie of the Year, one of my
favorite people. I get them about once a year and
(16:20):
I love it. So I want to talk to you
about Patrick Beverley, And I know it's a weird place
to start, but but but you know, Bill Lambier tackled people,
Dennis Rodman was a pain in the ass, and you
know as a as a Fab five guy, as a
(16:40):
Michigan guy, is that there is absolutely in my opinion
room for Patrick Beverley. But what is the line, Chris,
between being physical and screwing with guys knees, hurting them
like as a pro athlete, I don't know what the
line is. What is it with Patrick Beverley? What does
(17:01):
he do that bothers you? And what are you okay with? Man?
That's a great question. Thanks for having me on. I
think first, I think everybody would want to play with
him in a quick The Lamber story. One of my
favorite players ever growing up in Detroit, and I used
to love it. He's one of the reasons why I
love playing on the road and would do like this,
the booze, the antics. He really taught us to embrace.
(17:23):
You're gonna get hated anyway. However, when I played against
some true story my first time in the NBA, going Home,
I knew the guy. I go up and get a rebound,
tapped against the backboard to show how high I could
jump and go down to the court. You know, it's
like old trick and catching tapped. The next time I
go up and I see him, he sticks his leg
out and I twist my ankle. I think maybe seventeen
(17:44):
seconds or two minutes into the game, something like that,
and I was out probably six games my rookie year.
And so even though he's one of my favorite players,
it's one of the dirtiest things that I've seen. So
I did the game, I believe, I commentate the game
when he and Westbrook Bumpani's like after a late time out,
I don't think that was dirty, because I've seen players
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do that their whole careers. However, I think the answer
is not saying anything and maybe taking one technical with
a quick elbow. It's really it's really easy if you
don't get caught up in an antic, especially in a
two three game series, it's really easy to shut them
down because then they start looking like a little clownish.
The only way they don't look like the clown is
(18:28):
when they bring you into the argument and you have
to try to figure out who's really, you know, acting,
who's the bad Actorings. Yeah, I know that's what he
did with Morris. He got him worked up, he got
into his head. Was there ever a guy in the
league that was a talker with you and try to
reel you in? Not a talker because you couldn't get
me that way? So if you wanted to slide under
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the Collins brothers, I hated playing them, Naharah mattson. Any
guy then that would fly smarten, use their brain, get
in front of you. But I hated those guys because
they got the benefit of the doubt. They're beating you
up just as much and they're getting the benefit of
the doubt. And to me, those guys were i'm gonna say,
(19:11):
just as effective. They don't have the winning record of
the Rotten and but in games they're just as you know,
as effective as a Beverty as well. So yeah, those
guys I used I used to hate to hate plenty
of this, those guys. So I'm not going to ask
you necessarily to pick a series, but I want to
talk kind of fundamentally holistically about the league. So I
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don't I don't buy the Celtics and I don't buy
the Heat. And my reason is, and I do buy
Brooklyn because my theory is when the playoffs start, refs
swallow the whistle, they get out of the way, and
this is when stars can really manipulate marginal players and
average players. And outside of Jason Tatum, Celtics don't have
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a closer out. I don't think Miami does have a closer.
I think Jimmy's just a great athlete, same with Bam
and so Brooklyn's got so many things. I don't like
their size, their bench, the lack of chemistry. They're so
KD Kyrie centric. Would you rather play a Boston who
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grinds your ass on the defensive end, who has they
they don't have the star power but every time down
the floor? Or would you rather play you know, that
kind of team but they don't have stars, or a
Brooklyn who's got two guys that are unstoppable, but all
sorts of holes all over the team. I remember playing
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against Dallas, who at the time had the fastest pace.
It was Finley, Nash and dirt Oh. I remember those teams.
You don't want to play them, You just don't because
you just have no rest of thought. Because when those
three on the court, you really have to be engaged
every single play, every because every play is a threat.
I really thought Cleveland could have come back. I told
someone I called him early in the second half. I said,
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Clevelands going to come back and win this game. But
I didn't take into the affect that Duran's one of
the best shooters ever to play, right. But yeah, I
could definitely, you know, I'm like you, I would take them,
but I would rather, you know, play a team that
doesn't have those options in the Boston and that as well.
I agree. Yeah, so you're basically what you're saying Brooklyn
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does is they put such immense pressure on you because
if you're not alert, they will score it. Well, I
mean the shots that Katie was hitting into media basketball,
the hardest shot in the game that Jordan Master m
kd Master. Curry's mastered every shot Kobe Master is too
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dribble pull up going baseline because you really don't know
how to check the guy if you pump fakes, can
he continue to go? And the shots that Kade was hitting,
you know, it was terrible. It was great defense and
he pulls up and shoots that tough shot that really
if you're another team, if anybody else, but those two
I'm taking my chances with that shot, making the guy
take the shot off the dribble fading right too, and
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so I just yeah, I just it gets so deflating.
It's almost like a dunk used to be worth more
than two points because it would take the air out
of your team. Yeah, it's the same way as a bomb.
It's seven points, but you know it hurts more than
the one yard run. So you know, I totally agree
with you in that theory. And I think a lot
of people you know, are over they have two high
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expectations on Boston. I feel you that way. I think
people don't take for granted you need a couple closures
in the playoffs, and you know, one of those guys
get cold, you can go to another. And that's why
Brooklyn and he has, you know, definitely advantage. What tell
me the difference between regular season and playoff basketball? Um, like,
last night, they don't count the playing game as the playoffs.
And I said on the air, I said, that's playoff basketball.
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You can call it whatever you want. But even the
officiating they were letting guys bump. Uh you know, they
I felt watch and I'm like, oh, that's playoff basketball.
You can call it whatever. So you tell me go
back to your career, like where could you really tell
could you notice rookies getting tighter, young guys getting tighter?
I think two things for me, how loud the fans were,
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Like everything was just over exaggerated, like now's the time
you've become a start. Like the guy off the bistic
gets one minute and one still there's one hundred people
outside waiting for him if you get to win. So
just that you feel, you know, WWF you know you
can cut the intensity with or not if you really
feel that. I always used to really notice that. And
then second, how tired you would get in the first quarter,
(23:42):
Like I can't explain. I don't know what that is.
Is that nerves and giner that how you're boring up's
and everything. But it was almost like you know, you
have no more excuses and you've been waiting, even emotionally
to put everything into this moment. And so I think
it really is the energy and how do you make
make sure you give your all the times but still
conserved at times you don't need to waste it pumping
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up the crowd, you know, so you know the crowd
then kind of how your body reacted to the moment,
you know, is a kind of special food. So when
you go over to the Western side, a team that
I find really interesting, Golden State. So Jordan Pool is
now emerging as a star. Clay Thompson's not quite what
(24:29):
he was off injury. And when Clay plays a lot
of minutes, I think it hinders Jordan Pool. And I
think everybody knows that on the roster. But Clays your guy, Okay, Clays,
you're dude. You travel with him, You've probably got into weddings.
You get into a weird situation where everybody in the
damn rooms like, should do Jordan Pool needs to play
(24:50):
forty two minutes? Tell me how difficult that is when
one of your guys, you know, he's eroding, he's not ascending,
and here comes the young buck. Can it screw with chemistry?
So I heard you today, and I hope that for
fans sake. You know, I love it when you go
(25:11):
off on tangents or rabbit holes, and I hope that
you really go down the rabbit hole of the draft.
Pick does not mean as much in big cities anymore,
and your soul, right, you need to really go down
in that rabbit hole. I'm sure researchers can get you
a lot of LA didn't get shocked. You know, they
didn't draft Shot, So I totally you know, I agree
with you on that. However, I don't know if I
(25:33):
can answer this question and not be sentimental. And I
think that's the problem that Clay gives. They are a dynasty.
They were a dynasty. You're right in every way, but
I'm just adding the motion which you're gonna have to
take an effect for fans and other things, especially if
you don't win one and you're betting on Pool who
is going to be great. But you know you would
(25:54):
do that to Clay and he's not yet a full
year in h you know, he this dynasty never got
a chance to win once we saw a team get
hurt or Katie get hurt. You know, this unfinished business.
He's you know, of course Draymond and the last you know,
vestiges of that soul. If you are right, I would
(26:17):
not want to be part of that. I was in
Detroit again Pisness fan when we had a parade, and
I think the next day and Rick Moore said, oh,
thank you for helping me lose all this weight, I
love you, and like three days later he was trading
for I believe Mark Reguire and I mean as a
Pisness fan, and we won. But I was just hurting man,
and I would not want to be the man that
(26:38):
trading played Thompson because if what works, like there's anything
but a championship works, and if not, I think keeping
him around still trying to win a championship may be
the best. But I do think that makes sense. Yeah,
I mean, listen, this is all It's a relationship business.
I mean, the truth is Steph Curry has made the
(26:59):
owner a billion dollars easily in in in value of franchise.
In marketing sales, you do sometimes have to go to
your star and say, hey, man, this is this is
a go either way decision, you know. I mean, I
think I gotta get more formal though, I gotta get
(27:19):
more and I think you said Athony Davis earlier, I'm
not I'm not taking him. I don't, I don't you know,
I'm not. I'm not taking him for Clay for the
community because it is relationship. So right, if we're gonna
do that kind, we gotta go. We gotta go get
maybe Bill and someone else and give up our picks
because I really believe you on that. But I just
don't think you know, we're gonna have to go for
(27:41):
a super superstar because that's who I believe he would.
I still believe he has two years is left to
the ever, So let's go to that. Let's pivot to
the Lakers. That. Um, I'm I think people tell you
are who they are. I think it was Maya Angelo
who said that people tell you who they are. Believe that.
So when Ad came in out of shape off the
(28:04):
Bubble Championship, I mean, Lebron is sitting there a thing
in time out. I'm obsessed with this sport, dude, I
just need you to be in shape as a pro athlete.
I would have moved off him there by low sell high.
Now with the injuries, this is who he is. He's
showing you who he is. He's not a workout fiend.
(28:24):
It's not really a leader. He's hella talented, but he's
hurt increasingly more. What was your feeling when you were
in the game about athletes that get hurt. Is it
bad form to move off them or did you always
feel like, hey, man, some dudes they just they can't
(28:46):
give you AD two. They can't mean how as a
pro athlete, how do you view that? Yeah, and I
was plagued by injuries or like ankle injuries things like that.
So AD's last injury you can tell like it wasn't
his fault, you know, like Curry suffered injuries. But I think,
you know, if you're gonna get injured, I want to
know what guy will work is, you know, tail off
(29:08):
to come back the fastest. So then I have to
take your work ethic into a kind of and so
I do think some guys is unfair. And I do
think as an athlete, you work out a lot so
that you can feel confident that you won't have those breakdowns.
And then you look at guys that don't work out
and you say, see that's why. And so it's not
even the injuries, you know, I just I just go
(29:33):
back to the previous memory of anybody playing with le Bron.
That's how I just play because I know it's a
different day and you can win championships. And I think,
you know, my generations should kind of admire the fact
that you can go play with friends and free agency.
But at the same time, you know, watching a guy
(29:57):
like Dirk, even though you want a championship, but you
knew he was a winner even before if he would
have never won one because of how you knew he
put Dallas on his back and he could trust that
he just needed help. I never felt that way with
a d that he just needed help. I felt that
he could be that missing piece for someone else, but
(30:18):
that no one else could be that. And I don't
know when he's proven that. That's why he's a wonderful talent.
But you know, I I'm just looking, you know. And
he had some big shots with Lebrons. I get that,
but you know, we're talking about him being an alpha,
and I don't I don't know when when that's worked.
So I'm not as high on him injury or not
(30:40):
being the number being the number one guy. If Lebron's
num on the team. Lebron's on the team, he could
be number one the team. But I'm not the Clippers.
I had a good source inside the Clippers that told
me when a d was on the market, they didn't
think he was a a leader or be tough. They
thought he was gifted, and they didn't think he would
play through injuries. They didn't think he worked out enough.
(31:02):
Now they've had their own troubles with Paul George and
Kawhi Leonards staying healthy, but they the idea was everybody
loved a d and the Clippers have a very shrewd,
very deep roster, very shrewd front office. They didn't love him,
and their takeaway was he has to be led. He
can't lead. I mean, listen, Chris, all years you played,
how many guys were great leaders? Truthfully not maybe maybe
(31:27):
roll to a roster maybe and maybe and sometimes the
best player when I was younger, maybe he didn't want
to be the leader because he was figuring out some
other things and was like, I'll let you guys kind
of figure it out. I don't want to, you know.
Or maybe they just led individually saying, hey, this is
how you stay in shape, but you know, I'm not
(31:49):
going to the team signings and things like that. So
when you find a guy like that, when you find
someone that you admire, they have game, and that is
very rare. And usually it's the star player and the
guy that has been through everything and doesn't want you
to waste your chances. So no, it's it's you really
have to learn that as well, because every guy, no
matter how confident they are, you know, we're the most
(32:09):
confident in sports. But again we're still fans of the game,
and therefore there's that insecurity. You follow the sport a
long time, whether leiques out of interviews, whether leakus out
in the way you treat people, where the leagues out
of something. After the game, you know, you can kind
of see those areas, so to say, great leaders man,
Yeah maybe maybe yeah, yeah, maybe two or three a
team okay, HBO winning time. Not sure if you've seen it.
(32:32):
It's the Jeff Perlman book on the Championship Lakers. Speaking
the leadership Magic Johnson. You had prickly stoic Kareem, you
had a crazy owner, Norm Nixon, and here came Magic,
big personality, budding heads, a lot of pushback, obviously a
great leader. As a Michigan kid, yeah, as a Pistons fan,
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how did you view he went to Michigan State? He
was he was on the other team, the Lakers. Did
you hate Magic as a player? I remember I remember
Michael Jackson coming out in nineteen eighty four, and I
remember screaming to my mom, like please do Billy Jean.
I remember that. I think it was More Time twenty fifth.
I remember remember where I was. I remember where I
(33:19):
was when Magic got out of the limo and Sawbird
and I ran around the house screaming. I remember it, like, oh,
what's going on? Like I was the biggest Magic Johnson
fan in the world. His father worked in the factory.
He was from Lansing, Michigan. I got to meet him
in seventh grade. His smile, he was tall, in a
point guard. He got to push the ball. He was
(33:41):
in the video with New Edition. I think it was
secret like a video, but this is my favorite. You know,
he was cool and he was like a man of
the people, and so I loved him, I you know,
and growing up, you know, I grew up loving Michigan
and Michigan State, so I knew, you know, who he was.
As a Pistons fan, it was like the only situation
(34:01):
where you could like the Lakers in their fake Hollywood ways,
because you knew they had sincerity from Michigan there. But
when we beat them, I wanted to beat them more
than anything, and I wanted Isaiah to get off. I
wanted to beat them, but you know, he has to
be him, Bird a couple other guys has to be
my favorite players of all time. So he was our
doctor Jay. He was the world of basketball. And I mean,
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you know, I love La. I remember, like you know,
putting in the VCR watching tapes, watching tapes in the
VCR of just the opening scene of we We Beat
La Beat La from the Screams in Boston and those
type of things. So yeah, magic Magic was you know,
we're always point. I used to take my fingers like
him because I don't know, I thought maybe that could
(34:46):
make you drive them. But yeah, he was. He's magic man.
So yeah, I haven't seen the series that I'm trying
to wait so I can bench watch it all. I
can't wait, but um, yeah, man. And you know, to
have leadership like that as well from getting in to
see and also I could say one more thing. The
best leaders to me are the ones that like shut
up when it's time to work. And from what I
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know about Magic, the practices were legendary because as hard
as Riley and others work on him, he was always
ready in the shape. Some people just had a motor
like that, like Jordan Stay able to do all that,
and part of that leadership is not just being able
to be a raw rock guy, but then trusting that
you're gonna get on the line with him after a
rough night, and Rust and Express as well. So the
(35:28):
other day I had former Metal World Peace I think
his name is Meta Santa for our test. Now. I
hope I got that right. And I said to him,
I said, man, we can't normalize all these stars missing games.
Like I'm a kid from a small town. I went
to a Sonics game every three years of downtown. Freddie
(35:49):
Brown and Gus Williams and Jack Spickaman didn't play. It's
bad man. It was sad for me. And he said,
he said something very interesting, Chris. He said, listen, man,
these guys now in the last three or four years,
are making thirty forty million dollars. They're young people like
it's a lot, and they they are hanging out with
(36:10):
Hollywood A listers. They're making more than movie stars. And
he said, I think over time they'll get adjusted to it.
A lot thrown at them. They've never made more money.
He's like, I mean, he goes, it was six seven
years ago a guy could make nine million and that
was money. Now it's thirty five, and the new CBA
benefits the star players. They make more than ever. And
(36:33):
it was an interesting takeaway, and I thought to myself,
you know what, I remember my first big contract that
was like thirty two. Thirty two, not twenty two. You
get ahead of yourself a little bit. You start thinking
you're really, you know, a little bit greater than you are.
Your takeaway on the missing of games by stars, do
you think some of it is We're just transitioning a
(36:54):
lot of money last four years. Guys, are you, know
what I mean, feeling themselves a little or are you
genuinely long term worried about it. I'm a little worried
about it because it's part of the culture. So it
starts with the team, you know, it starts with the team.
(37:15):
Going from when I played, we would be in practice
after getting hurt in a game a Wednesday that doesn't
matter in Milwaukee I'm talking about doesn't matter, but because
the culture is to eat a steak and yell at
a guy and feel good about yourself through that. Not
getting any better through practice, but running lines and things
that have nothing to do with getting in shape. That mentality.
(37:37):
Remember the jokes he takes years off of guy's careers.
It was a joke, but it wasn't a joke. Guys
were not joking about it, and so kind of that
overexaggerated sense of man up and all that stuff, when
really it should have been like, hey, guys, we just
had a six game and seven nights. Y'all need a
day off. But it was always a big who so
(37:57):
one that really messed it up. So too teams trying
to fix it and then validating rest is what opened
the floodbas my friend, when you have a team saying
you know, hey, guys, just let me know how you're feeling,
then you know, my my loyalty to my feeling, not
to getting through it. I don't want to walk the
treadmail and get up every morning, but if I don't
(38:19):
think about my feelings, I'll get through it and overall
it helps my body. So I think the team gave
away out third. You know, when you did that at
thirty two or I did that in my twenties, we
were like going against the grain, kind of like you
you knew there were better stories, or don't do this,
don't do that. Well, now it's the culture of you know,
(38:39):
why not? You know you should be doing this right,
you know, And so I think anytime you're going anytime
the culture seems to be going in the way of
rest or. You know, when I played with Ai, this
is so true. You know, so many things are over exaggerated.
But he really played every game and you could say Ego,
(39:02):
you could say pride, but he always started with somebody
in the arena that never saw him. And maybe you
have to be that good sometime to realize, like, I'm
gonna make this kid's life. Maybe maybe it has to
be that because sick when those guys knew it, because shoot,
the games didn't come on TV. It was late and late,
you know, you know, maybe it was more special, you
know what I mean. Yeah, I get a little worried
(39:24):
about that. But I do believe, you know, in the
optimism of meta. You know, I do think it can
come back. But we used to be like we make
the money. Money don't make us. Now we might do
something stupid with the money and you know, lose our mind.
But the principle was, you know, we played the game.
Money doesn't make you good my paycheck. Matter of fact,
you make one of me, I'm gonna show you why,
Like you know, so that worries me that the the
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spirit of the spirit of it has changed as opposed
to what guys were doing. Yeah, No, I think there's
been a lot of cultural changes. It's harder to hard
coach a player. I mean even I mean Chuck Daly
had Hall of Famers, he coached them hard, pat Riley hard. Yes,
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it's hard. That hard coaching thing, Chris, it doesn't it
doesn't really exist anymore. No, thank you for coming to
work today. Hey, it's great seeing him a man. I
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