October 1, 2024 • 16 mins
Colin reacts to the Monday Night Football doubleheader!
He starts with the Lions beating the Seahawks, why it’s actually a respectable loss for Seattle and why Jared Goff continues to be underrated (3:00)
Then he pivots to the Titans beating the Dolphins and why Tua’s stock soared as the Dolphins high-flying was absolutely unwatchable without their starting quarterback (6:15)
Finally, he reflects on Pete Rose following his passing, why Pete was one of his favorite athletes growing up, why Pete’s gambling scandal bothers him less these days and why Pete should be inducted into the Hall of Fame (8:30)
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What time is it? Game Time? All right? Little instant reaction.
First of all, once they announced that Seattle was missing
(01:04):
all four of its top defensive Lineman game was over,
you knew that Jared Goff was going to have time
to throw. Golf. With time to throw is a much
better version to me of Matt Ryan, and he goes
eighteen for eighteen on the night. So I thought, really, Seattle,
the fact that they almost, you know, forty two to
twenty nine, and Seattle, I didn't think they got a
(01:25):
great whistle tonight. I'm not somebody that spends a lot
of time worrying about officiating. I think it goes both ways.
I thought it was a couple of things on that
two point conversion. I thought Seattle got kind of a
less than average whistle tonight. They wouldn't have won the
game anyway, because they couldn't make any stops. And you
could tell very early in the game. Is that you know,
I mean, Seattle's got a really good defensive coach, Whetherspoon
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in the backfield. They have linebackers that moved pretty well,
but one of their linebackers got banged up. They just
didn't have the personnel against the team with a really,
really good offensive line, and so the game I didn't
feel like, even when Seattle was threatening in the second half,
you just knew that Detroit could pick up first downs
if they had to, and they did. But I got
to tell you something about Seattle. Five hundred and sixteen yards.
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If I'm Detroit coming out of that game, I mean,
if you'd have taken out the four best offensive linemen
for the Lions and they hung and still went and
made it a competitive game in Seattle, you'd feel pretty
good about it. I mean, I'm Seattle. I'm coming out
of that game thinking we got five hundred and sixteen yards.
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Detroit's got some defensive issues. They haven't been good in
the back end forever, Carlton Davis. They've made acquisitions through
the years, they've drafted it. They're just not very good
on the back end. And Gino Smith was under duress.
But I mean DK Metcalf and their backs. I got
to be Jackson Smith in JIGBA. I mean, they got
guys got free against that secondary. And Gino Smith he
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was firing tonight. I Mean we all kind of see
him as a B quarterback, but even rushed and flushed
out of the pocket lot of success tonight. So I
wouldn't feel great about it. If I'm Detroit, I'm at home.
It's Monday night, you know those home standalone games, the
crowd is lubricated, ready to go. It feels like that's
a two or three point swing. Seattle's missing their best
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four defensive linemen and kept it reasonably close. I was
kind of blown away by Seattle's effort. I think Detroit
and Seattle all even is a go either way football game,
and I don't think it should be. I think Mike
McDonald's an excellent coach for the Seahawks. They won't be
missing their four top defensive lineman for the rest of
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the season. And I thought it was a very, very
spirited effort. And I've said this before about Jared Goff.
When you give Jared Goff, there's qualifiers with Jared Goff.
If you give him time to throw, like tonight, and
you give him a reasonable running game, he can spin it.
I mean, he throws a beautiful football. He's accurate, smart
kid at the line of scrimmage, gets it out, throws
it to the right spot. And you know, tonight was
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just it was a seven on seven drill for him.
You know, his dad a major league baseball player. He's
you know, he can sling it, he can spin it,
and Jared always has I will. You know again, I
think he's a better Matt Ryan, same mobility, but a bigger,
stronger arm. And so tonight the healthier team wins. And
that's my first take. My second take on the Titans
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and Miami really a bad product tonight. As you're dealing
with Will Levis, despite the fact that somebody and his
family went to the Ivy League Yale, I believe his
judgment was impaired in the SEC and he makes really
bad throws in the NFL. He was banged up tonight.
So the quality of the product was awful. And if
you ever wonder why the NFL is trying to protect
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their quarterbacks, that game is a great example of it.
It was a win for Tua. And you know, listen,
I've said it. I can like Dak not love him.
I can like Geno Smith not love him. I can
like Tua not love him. Look at Miami's offense with
those weapons and that coach without Tua unwatchable, just Drack completely,
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absolutely unwatchable. And so you know, my feeling on that
is it buys Tua so much credibility in that locker
room and in that community, is that he's got limitations
on size, his injuries, the concussions. You know, he doesn't
throw a terribly forceful deep ball. You worry about him
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playing up north in bad weather. But in that offense,
he's a left handed Drew Brees. He's accurate, he gets
rid of it quickly, he's on assignment, he's coachable, he's
a grown up. And without Tua with some weapons and
brain power on that offense, they're unwatchable, completely unwatchable. So
the Miami Dolphins in the last three years are one
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and five without Tua, and they average thirteen points a game,
and that's with those receivers in that coach, So they
lose by eleven points without Tua. So you don't have
to be Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes.
If you're an accurate distributor of the football and you
have an offensive coach with a detailed schematic system, you
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are very valuable. You know, do I want to get
a better price on Tua? Do I need to support him?
And he's done it, by the way, without great offensive
line play in Miami, they've spent a lot of money
on receivers and because of that, there's some limitations with
salary on the offensive line. And you know, so I
thought it was a credible night for Tua buying a
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lot of favor going forward in that locker room. So
Pete Rose passed away the hit king. You can't talk
about Pete Rose when I first got into this business,
and it was a slow day in June or July
or August, if you wanted to get phone calls, I
mean it was, and maybe this was fifteen twenty years ago,
but if you wanted to get phone calls, Pete Rose
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hall of fame, yeay or nay. Pete wasn't an honest man.
He was also a fairly complicated guy. You know. I
just ended up watching a documentary on Pete Rose to
get the streaming service it was on. So when I
grew up, my favorite team in the nineteen seventies was
the Cincinnati Red. So I'm sure if you've listened to
me for years, you know that, you know, let off
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with Pete Rose and Ken Grissy Griffy batted second and
it was Joe Morgan and a Johnny Bench, George Foster,
Tony Perez, Dan Dreesen. I mean, I could go to
the backup catcher, Bill Plummer, Saesar Geronimo, Dave Concepsio. National
League pitchers hit Jack Billings, Fred Norman couldn't hit. Jack
Billingham couldn't hit. None of the Reds pitchers could hit.
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But it didn't really matter because they had the big
Red machine. They had this incredibly powerful offense, and Pete
Rose was the engineer of all of it. He wasn't
didn't have power, I didn't run particularly well, but he
was Charlie Hustle. And so you know, when I was
a kid growing up, two of my favorite baseball players
were Pete Rose and George Brett of the Kansas City
Royals because of how they played. Now, Brett I thought
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was the better athlete and hit with more power and
was a very very elite third baseman. So George Brett
to me, always looked like the better athlete hit with power.
But Pete and George Brett played with the same kind
of intensity and passion that it just when I was
a kid in the seventies, it just jumped through the
TV set so you couldn't watch baseball, which was a
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much bigger deal and had much greater social currency in
the seventies than it does now. NFL is King, and
there's nothing, you know, even close, but baseball in the seventies,
you know, the NBC Saturday Game of the Week, Phillies
and the Pirates and the Reds and the Dodgers were
just star studded teams and it was just can't miss stuff.
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I was a National League kid over an American League kid,
and my first job at a college was broadcasting Triple
A Baseball one inning of the Las Vegas Stars. So
I was really a baseball guy because you know, at
that time, you know, I was playing little league baseball,
maybe it was, and baseball marketed and had big stars.
I mean, it's hard to name ten baseball players. Obviously
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there's Aaron Judge and Milki Betts and Otanian and you know,
there's a handful of stars. But it just felt different
in the seventies than it does now. And I love
Pete Rose and then Pete Rose goes to the Phillies
and you know he's a character. But baseball in the
seventies had characters, you know, Mark Fiedrich and Mickey Rivers
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and Pete Rose. I mean the owner Charlie Finley of
the A's was a character. And for some reason, baseball
started sort of getting into this in the nineties and
beyond sort of there's a way to play the game.
The stewards of baseball, and it felt like it was
just sucking the fun out of baseball. And in the
seventies Al Raboski, the mad Hungarian for the Cardinals, number
(09:42):
thirty nine, the reliever. There was just all this big, crazy,
wild personality in baseball and you just don't feel like
you get it today. You get it more in other sports.
But you know, in terms of pete and gambling, I
think I've probably changed my opinion. I think I was
more dogmatic about it early, but over the course of time,
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he's the hit king. And I mean, we've got a
sport which was laden with all sorts of steroid use
and abuse, and nobody really knows. Remember when they did
the Mitchell Report and what a circus that was. So
it was the Mitchell Report, and they've got a significant
amount of their information from like three clubhouses on the
East Coast. Well, if you'd have done the Angels, the A's,
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the Podreys and the Mariner clubhouses, you'd have had different stories.
And so you know, baseball, major League baseball was so
late on steroids. It may have started with Ken Kamanitti,
the former San Diego Padre power hitting third baseman. Did
it start with Conseco? I don't really know the genesis
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of it, but I mean so much of baseball as
an asterisk, and you know, I kind of look at
Pete Rose and I think he didn't really change the
outcome of his hits, and so as a baseball player,
Pete was. He was intense. He wasn't always up front
from his personals to his professional life. But I can't
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take away what he did as a player. I just
have so many fond memories of his style, of his effort,
of his passion, the Ray Fosse collision at home plate.
Everything about Pete was intensity, and I appreciated it as
a kid, and I think as I've gotten older as
a sportscaster, I still I think have a lot of
passion for the business. But I'm not as dogmatic on issues.
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You know, I've had kids, people make mistakes, I make mistakes,
So I posthumously I would vote him into the Hall
of Fame. There's a lot of characters in the Hall
of Fame. You know, years and years ago, I worked
for a news director named Mike Cutler, and you know,
he had one of the days we were talking about
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some issue in sports. For all I know it was
Pete Rose. And if I recall, Mike was more of
a Midwest guy, and it may have been we were
talking about Pete Rose and he said, you know, you
don't know what you don't know about people when everybody
was judging Tiger Woods for his affair or affairs in
his marriage, and I thought, oh, give me a break. Really,
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I mean, it's pretty legendary. Some of the great golfers
of all time and some of the most beloved figures
in golf were hounds. I mean, so you know what
we have in society today, and I see this all
the time. People with no real insighter sourcing have the
strongest opinions. And I've gotten over time kind of a
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little bit more forgiving on it because the more I've
learned through the years, and the more sources I've had
on different stories, the less I realize. I know, when
I was in my twenties and thirties, I didn't have
that many sources and thought I knew everything. And now
as I get older and I'm in my fifties and
now I'm sixty, I have more sources and more contacts
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and more knowledge than I've ever had, And to me,
it just kind of illustrates how little I know is.
There's so many things going on. I'm watching this Vince
McMahon documentary right now, and I have friends connected to
the WWE, and you'll hear a lot if you watch
this documentary on Netflix about Vince McMahon. It's not the
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half of it. It is not the half of it.
So we live in a world with social media now
wur people have strong opinions and don't really have a
ton of insight or sourcing on stuff. So I look
at Pete Rose and I think he was a great player,
he was a hit king. I let him in. That
doesn't mean I have the strongest affection for his character
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or his personality and the things he did. Life's complex.
People are complex. I can admire your achievements and not
think much of you your character. I mean, we live
in a country right now with Donald Trump. I'm vacation
with conservatives. I've got conservative friends, Bill Volt Republican. They
don't like Trump. Things are more complex. We tend to
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want things gift wrapped and in tiny boxes, and that's
just not as I got older, it's just not how
life is. You have to sacrifice, you have to be forgiving.
And I know it's the Baseball Hall of Fame, but
the truth is, all this stuff is subjective, and i'd
vote Pete Rose into the Hall of Fame. I think
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there's a lot of unscrupulous people in Hall of Fames.
There could be some bad people voting on Hall of Fames.
I'd let him in. But he left an indelible mark
on me just as a baseball player. The way he
played the game. George Brett Pete Rose. One National League,
one American League. They just played at a different level
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with intensity, and it's in my head today. I can
close my eyes and think of images of Pete Rose
barreling over catchers and sliding in the third. I don't
remember I didn't see it live, the Buddy Harrelson's story
with the Mets, the fight broke out, I don't remember that.
I've just seen YouTube clips and pictures of it. But
that sort of defined sort of Pete Rose. And as
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I watched you know, the Netflix special on him, he
was a Cincinnati kid through and through, and I'd been
in his presence four or five times. Was in his
presence four or five times. He was hard not to like.
He was funny, he'd let it rip. He was sometimes,
you know, borderline inappropriate with the things he would say.
But he had a great love for the sport of baseball.
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And it's a sport which hasn't felt the same to
me since the seventies and eighties. It just doesn't have
the social currency it used to have. I mean, I
saw a story this week where, and I forget who
reported on it, it may have been Andrew Marshan at
The New York Post that ESPN is considering moving Jeff
Passon their story breaker in Baseball to the NBA. I'm like,
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what they're struggling as a sport to get networks to
latch onto another big contract. The Apple TV Baseball deal
didn't work. The Roku deal was kind of embarrassing. Baseball
got thirty million dollars for a TV contract. ESPN and
Fox don't feel like they want to go all in
on baseball. And to me, in my life, Pete takes
me back to a time when I was a young
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kid and it was my favorite sport. The seventies and
the eighties and I can name infields and pitching staffs
back then, and Pete was a part of that. The
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What time is it? Game Time? All right? Little instant reaction.
First of all, once they announced that Seattle was missing
(01:04):
all four of its top defensive Lineman game was over,
you knew that Jared Goff was going to have time
to throw. Golf. With time to throw is a much
better version to me of Matt Ryan, and he goes
eighteen for eighteen on the night. So I thought, really, Seattle,
the fact that they almost, you know, forty two to
twenty nine, and Seattle, I didn't think they got a
(01:25):
great whistle tonight. I'm not somebody that spends a lot
of time worrying about officiating. I think it goes both ways.
I thought it was a couple of things on that
two point conversion. I thought Seattle got kind of a
less than average whistle tonight. They wouldn't have won the
game anyway, because they couldn't make any stops. And you
could tell very early in the game. Is that you know,
I mean, Seattle's got a really good defensive coach, Whetherspoon
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in the backfield. They have linebackers that moved pretty well,
but one of their linebackers got banged up. They just
didn't have the personnel against the team with a really,
really good offensive line, and so the game I didn't
feel like, even when Seattle was threatening in the second half,
you just knew that Detroit could pick up first downs
if they had to, and they did. But I got
to tell you something about Seattle. Five hundred and sixteen yards.
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If I'm Detroit coming out of that game, I mean,
if you'd have taken out the four best offensive linemen
for the Lions and they hung and still went and
made it a competitive game in Seattle, you'd feel pretty
good about it. I mean, I'm Seattle. I'm coming out
of that game thinking we got five hundred and sixteen yards.
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Detroit's got some defensive issues. They haven't been good in
the back end forever, Carlton Davis. They've made acquisitions through
the years, they've drafted it. They're just not very good
on the back end. And Gino Smith was under duress.
But I mean DK Metcalf and their backs. I got
to be Jackson Smith in JIGBA. I mean, they got
guys got free against that secondary. And Gino Smith he
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was firing tonight. I Mean we all kind of see
him as a B quarterback, but even rushed and flushed
out of the pocket lot of success tonight. So I
wouldn't feel great about it. If I'm Detroit, I'm at home.
It's Monday night, you know those home standalone games, the
crowd is lubricated, ready to go. It feels like that's
a two or three point swing. Seattle's missing their best
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four defensive linemen and kept it reasonably close. I was
kind of blown away by Seattle's effort. I think Detroit
and Seattle all even is a go either way football game,
and I don't think it should be. I think Mike
McDonald's an excellent coach for the Seahawks. They won't be
missing their four top defensive lineman for the rest of
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the season. And I thought it was a very, very
spirited effort. And I've said this before about Jared Goff.
When you give Jared Goff, there's qualifiers with Jared Goff.
If you give him time to throw, like tonight, and
you give him a reasonable running game, he can spin it.
I mean, he throws a beautiful football. He's accurate, smart
kid at the line of scrimmage, gets it out, throws
it to the right spot. And you know, tonight was
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just it was a seven on seven drill for him.
You know, his dad a major league baseball player. He's
you know, he can sling it, he can spin it,
and Jared always has I will. You know again, I
think he's a better Matt Ryan, same mobility, but a bigger,
stronger arm. And so tonight the healthier team wins. And
that's my first take. My second take on the Titans
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and Miami really a bad product tonight. As you're dealing
with Will Levis, despite the fact that somebody and his
family went to the Ivy League Yale, I believe his
judgment was impaired in the SEC and he makes really
bad throws in the NFL. He was banged up tonight.
So the quality of the product was awful. And if
you ever wonder why the NFL is trying to protect
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their quarterbacks, that game is a great example of it.
It was a win for Tua. And you know, listen,
I've said it. I can like Dak not love him.
I can like Geno Smith not love him. I can
like Tua not love him. Look at Miami's offense with
those weapons and that coach without Tua unwatchable, just Drack completely,
(05:01):
absolutely unwatchable. And so you know, my feeling on that
is it buys Tua so much credibility in that locker
room and in that community, is that he's got limitations
on size, his injuries, the concussions. You know, he doesn't
throw a terribly forceful deep ball. You worry about him
(05:23):
playing up north in bad weather. But in that offense,
he's a left handed Drew Brees. He's accurate, he gets
rid of it quickly, he's on assignment, he's coachable, he's
a grown up. And without Tua with some weapons and
brain power on that offense, they're unwatchable, completely unwatchable. So
the Miami Dolphins in the last three years are one
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and five without Tua, and they average thirteen points a game,
and that's with those receivers in that coach, So they
lose by eleven points without Tua. So you don't have
to be Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes.
If you're an accurate distributor of the football and you
have an offensive coach with a detailed schematic system, you
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are very valuable. You know, do I want to get
a better price on Tua? Do I need to support him?
And he's done it, by the way, without great offensive
line play in Miami, they've spent a lot of money
on receivers and because of that, there's some limitations with
salary on the offensive line. And you know, so I
thought it was a credible night for Tua buying a
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lot of favor going forward in that locker room. So
Pete Rose passed away the hit king. You can't talk
about Pete Rose when I first got into this business,
and it was a slow day in June or July
or August, if you wanted to get phone calls, I
mean it was, and maybe this was fifteen twenty years ago,
but if you wanted to get phone calls, Pete Rose
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hall of fame, yeay or nay. Pete wasn't an honest man.
He was also a fairly complicated guy. You know. I
just ended up watching a documentary on Pete Rose to
get the streaming service it was on. So when I
grew up, my favorite team in the nineteen seventies was
the Cincinnati Red. So I'm sure if you've listened to
me for years, you know that, you know, let off
(07:10):
with Pete Rose and Ken Grissy Griffy batted second and
it was Joe Morgan and a Johnny Bench, George Foster,
Tony Perez, Dan Dreesen. I mean, I could go to
the backup catcher, Bill Plummer, Saesar Geronimo, Dave Concepsio. National
League pitchers hit Jack Billings, Fred Norman couldn't hit. Jack
Billingham couldn't hit. None of the Reds pitchers could hit.
(07:33):
But it didn't really matter because they had the big
Red machine. They had this incredibly powerful offense, and Pete
Rose was the engineer of all of it. He wasn't
didn't have power, I didn't run particularly well, but he
was Charlie Hustle. And so you know, when I was
a kid growing up, two of my favorite baseball players
were Pete Rose and George Brett of the Kansas City
Royals because of how they played. Now, Brett I thought
(07:54):
was the better athlete and hit with more power and
was a very very elite third baseman. So George Brett
to me, always looked like the better athlete hit with power.
But Pete and George Brett played with the same kind
of intensity and passion that it just when I was
a kid in the seventies, it just jumped through the
TV set so you couldn't watch baseball, which was a
(08:14):
much bigger deal and had much greater social currency in
the seventies than it does now. NFL is King, and
there's nothing, you know, even close, but baseball in the seventies,
you know, the NBC Saturday Game of the Week, Phillies
and the Pirates and the Reds and the Dodgers were
just star studded teams and it was just can't miss stuff.
(08:37):
I was a National League kid over an American League kid,
and my first job at a college was broadcasting Triple
A Baseball one inning of the Las Vegas Stars. So
I was really a baseball guy because you know, at
that time, you know, I was playing little league baseball,
maybe it was, and baseball marketed and had big stars.
I mean, it's hard to name ten baseball players. Obviously
(09:00):
there's Aaron Judge and Milki Betts and Otanian and you know,
there's a handful of stars. But it just felt different
in the seventies than it does now. And I love
Pete Rose and then Pete Rose goes to the Phillies
and you know he's a character. But baseball in the
seventies had characters, you know, Mark Fiedrich and Mickey Rivers
(09:21):
and Pete Rose. I mean the owner Charlie Finley of
the A's was a character. And for some reason, baseball
started sort of getting into this in the nineties and
beyond sort of there's a way to play the game.
The stewards of baseball, and it felt like it was
just sucking the fun out of baseball. And in the
seventies Al Raboski, the mad Hungarian for the Cardinals, number
(09:42):
thirty nine, the reliever. There was just all this big, crazy,
wild personality in baseball and you just don't feel like
you get it today. You get it more in other sports.
But you know, in terms of pete and gambling, I
think I've probably changed my opinion. I think I was
more dogmatic about it early, but over the course of time,
(10:03):
he's the hit king. And I mean, we've got a
sport which was laden with all sorts of steroid use
and abuse, and nobody really knows. Remember when they did
the Mitchell Report and what a circus that was. So
it was the Mitchell Report, and they've got a significant
amount of their information from like three clubhouses on the
East Coast. Well, if you'd have done the Angels, the A's,
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the Podreys and the Mariner clubhouses, you'd have had different stories.
And so you know, baseball, major League baseball was so
late on steroids. It may have started with Ken Kamanitti,
the former San Diego Padre power hitting third baseman. Did
it start with Conseco? I don't really know the genesis
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of it, but I mean so much of baseball as
an asterisk, and you know, I kind of look at
Pete Rose and I think he didn't really change the
outcome of his hits, and so as a baseball player,
Pete was. He was intense. He wasn't always up front
from his personals to his professional life. But I can't
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take away what he did as a player. I just
have so many fond memories of his style, of his effort,
of his passion, the Ray Fosse collision at home plate.
Everything about Pete was intensity, and I appreciated it as
a kid, and I think as I've gotten older as
a sportscaster, I still I think have a lot of
passion for the business. But I'm not as dogmatic on issues.
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You know, I've had kids, people make mistakes, I make mistakes,
So I posthumously I would vote him into the Hall
of Fame. There's a lot of characters in the Hall
of Fame. You know, years and years ago, I worked
for a news director named Mike Cutler, and you know,
he had one of the days we were talking about
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some issue in sports. For all I know it was
Pete Rose. And if I recall, Mike was more of
a Midwest guy, and it may have been we were
talking about Pete Rose and he said, you know, you
don't know what you don't know about people when everybody
was judging Tiger Woods for his affair or affairs in
his marriage, and I thought, oh, give me a break. Really,
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I mean, it's pretty legendary. Some of the great golfers
of all time and some of the most beloved figures
in golf were hounds. I mean, so you know what
we have in society today, and I see this all
the time. People with no real insighter sourcing have the
strongest opinions. And I've gotten over time kind of a
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little bit more forgiving on it because the more I've
learned through the years, and the more sources I've had
on different stories, the less I realize. I know, when
I was in my twenties and thirties, I didn't have
that many sources and thought I knew everything. And now
as I get older and I'm in my fifties and
now I'm sixty, I have more sources and more contacts
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and more knowledge than I've ever had, And to me,
it just kind of illustrates how little I know is.
There's so many things going on. I'm watching this Vince
McMahon documentary right now, and I have friends connected to
the WWE, and you'll hear a lot if you watch
this documentary on Netflix about Vince McMahon. It's not the
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half of it. It is not the half of it.
So we live in a world with social media now
wur people have strong opinions and don't really have a
ton of insight or sourcing on stuff. So I look
at Pete Rose and I think he was a great player,
he was a hit king. I let him in. That
doesn't mean I have the strongest affection for his character
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or his personality and the things he did. Life's complex.
People are complex. I can admire your achievements and not
think much of you your character. I mean, we live
in a country right now with Donald Trump. I'm vacation
with conservatives. I've got conservative friends, Bill Volt Republican. They
don't like Trump. Things are more complex. We tend to
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want things gift wrapped and in tiny boxes, and that's
just not as I got older, it's just not how
life is. You have to sacrifice, you have to be forgiving.
And I know it's the Baseball Hall of Fame, but
the truth is, all this stuff is subjective, and i'd
vote Pete Rose into the Hall of Fame. I think
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there's a lot of unscrupulous people in Hall of Fames.
There could be some bad people voting on Hall of Fames.
I'd let him in. But he left an indelible mark
on me just as a baseball player. The way he
played the game. George Brett Pete Rose. One National League,
one American League. They just played at a different level
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with intensity, and it's in my head today. I can
close my eyes and think of images of Pete Rose
barreling over catchers and sliding in the third. I don't
remember I didn't see it live, the Buddy Harrelson's story
with the Mets, the fight broke out, I don't remember that.
I've just seen YouTube clips and pictures of it. But
that sort of defined sort of Pete Rose. And as
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I watched you know, the Netflix special on him, he
was a Cincinnati kid through and through, and I'd been
in his presence four or five times. Was in his
presence four or five times. He was hard not to like.
He was funny, he'd let it rip. He was sometimes,
you know, borderline inappropriate with the things he would say.
But he had a great love for the sport of baseball.
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And it's a sport which hasn't felt the same to
me since the seventies and eighties. It just doesn't have
the social currency it used to have. I mean, I
saw a story this week where, and I forget who
reported on it, it may have been Andrew Marshan at
The New York Post that ESPN is considering moving Jeff
Passon their story breaker in Baseball to the NBA. I'm like,
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what they're struggling as a sport to get networks to
latch onto another big contract. The Apple TV Baseball deal
didn't work. The Roku deal was kind of embarrassing. Baseball
got thirty million dollars for a TV contract. ESPN and
Fox don't feel like they want to go all in
on baseball. And to me, in my life, Pete takes
me back to a time when I was a young
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kid and it was my favorite sport. The seventies and
the eighties and I can name infields and pitching staffs
back then, and Pete was a part of that. The
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