Colin is joined by Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1!
They start by addressing the backlash to Colin’s “backwards hat” take from J.J. Reddick and LeBron James (3:00). They talk about the history of the take and why it’s become a running bit, and why it shouldn’t be taken too seriously.
Then they address bad takes, and why “cancel culture” isn’t coming for comedians the way it did a few years ago (12:30), why Jerry Seinfeld’s comments were tone deaf, and they debate how it’s affecting the current era of comedy (19:00).
Finally, Colin explains why Caitlin Clark doesn’t need the media to protect her (27:30) and why the WNBA will finally “arrive” into more mainstream sports culture (34:00)
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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in my buddy Nick. Right, we chop it up on
a variety of topics hard to top. Last week we
were bringing it. But I might as well start. Oh,
I might as well start with a very serious topic
which is near and dear to me.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
How do you feel about this, that this is what
you're going to be known for. Honest to god, how
do you feel about it? I mean, it's now gotten
to you know Lebron and shout out, Well, I'll let
you set it up at your podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You set it up, but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well Lebron reacted to it, and JJ Reddick reacted to it.
So this started years ago. I think it was Tony.
I was at the other place ESPN, and Tony Romo
was doing something at the podium. And it's always been
about the weekly Wednesday podium. When you're a franchise quarterback,
I don't care if you're any other position. I don't
care about off season. I care about the quarterback face
of the franchise on a Wednesday podium, looking like you
(02:16):
know you're the face of the franchise Because you are
the coach on the field and the highest paid player usually.
And so I said something about it. And Steve Spurrier
was the college coach at South Carolina, and in his
weekly media session he literally said, in his southern voice, Now,
I was listening to a radio host, Colin Coward, say
something here, Dan. I really agreed with him. And you know,
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he went on about it. He said, I kind of
liked it, and I kind of agreed with it, and
so I thought, see, I'm not that crazy. That's not
a bad idea. So and I did it a couple
more times. Now it's gotten a life of its own,
and I think most people now, well I shouldn't say that.
I think a big chunk of people sort of get
I'm being theatrical and my outrage is somewhat manufactured.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I don't, but if it comes from a real opinion,
it is you have you have. The further along it's gone,
the more, I don't want to say ridiculous, but you
you it's become a thing I'm totally here for.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But the and we we've talked with this once before, and.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I'm gonna reiterate the point and actually tie it back
to today's thing, which is, even if people vehemently disagree
with you on the specifics of backwards hat for forwards hat, everyone,
if they're being honest, should be able to admit we
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all have a backwards hat thing that makes us judge
people like there is there So it can be as
simple as, oh, that person who I thought was like
a big time you know, powerbroker, Oh he doesn't match
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his belt to his shoes, like, oh, he's not as
sophisticated as I thought, or again, I'm just making that up.
So here's what I found so funny about today. I
don't really give a shit that JJ Reddick was wearing
a backwards hat at all. You know what, you know
what happened today, though, that gave me another piece of
evidence that said I would not hire JJ Reddick right
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now to be the head coach of Los Angeles Lakers.
That he responded to the clip that to me was
far more damning than his hat. It's like, buddy, you
can't be three days ago I saw you on the
Internet arguing with a San Francisco radio producer.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Now you're watching.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Clips of Howard talking about you loling it like, I
just I don't think you're gonna go from that level
of Internet, that engagement, maybe even searching your own name,
all that stuff that people do, by the way, and
I'm not judging them for it, but I don't think
it'd be healthy to do as the head coach of
Los Angeles Lakers, and I don't think you'd turn it
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off in a week.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So I don't care about the hat.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I care that he reacted to the clip, like I
really do. And by the way, I wouldn't care at
all if it was like a broadcaster, like just in
his current job react to whatever you want, but a
different job we're talking about now, which again, I don't
think you would care about the backwards hat if it's
just he's the NBA announcer, but if it's like, oh,
you're gonna be the head coach of my team.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So I get it. I actually get it. Well.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I mean, if you don't think appearance matters, Your daughter's
on the emergency table in a hospital and a surgeon
came in in a suit and they put his white
or a blue robot or a backwards hat, what would
you prefer? Or your pilot on a plane came in
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or he has his hat backwards, which was a preferred
a turbulent.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Night well and so and I also think, you know,
Lebron responded with two pictures and I wasn't sure who
the first guy was because the second guy's Jason Kidd,
and it's like, oh, he's done a great job. And
it's like, yeah, but Jason Kidd also and JJ has
this going for him as well, like you know, former athlete,
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former athlete turned coaches a little different, which is where
I think JJ probably has more of a you know,
margin prero here. But the other guy was like, who
is that? And then we figured it out. It's the
guy who owns the jazz Well. At some point, you like,
you succeed out of hat like now, all of a sudden,
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you never have to wear a suit. Like I don't
know if you watched the show Billions, but the may
I know it's fictional, but the main character Bobby Axelrod,
who was the billionaire he'd go to work, everyone's wearing
a suit. He's wearing a Metallica T shirt. Because it's like, ah,
I own the place. I kind of can like, yes,
there is that element to it, but but I love it.
(07:06):
I think it is my I mean, it is so
funny that four times a year. I know, I'm like, oh, well,
half of Colin's show is taken care of for no reason.
And because there's always new people in the ecosystem, there
are people who this is their first experience with you
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and backwards at and so they don't get any of
again that not that it's a joke, but that this
has been a twenty year thing, and those people replying
are the best.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
They're like this guy.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You got I mean, it is the best, and you
don't have to explain the joke.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Just let them go. It's it's the best.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, it's you know, I as you know, I love football.
I try never to take myself seriously. I think I
laugh at myself all the time, but I do take
my job seriously. But it is something now that's takes
you know, It's got a life of its own. It
didn't bother me, JJ Reddick responded, because JJ wasn't outraged
by it. He was laughing at it.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Steve Kerr, before he became big, was a hilariously funny,
whip smart analyst. And you know, a couple of years
later or a year later, he transitions from being kind
of funny with Mike Breen to being a GM the
most serious job in the world. So I think I
think JJ's a really bright guy, and it doesn't bother
me that people respond, but I do, like, you know,
(08:27):
I've if I think if JJ walked up to me
in a story, he'd be like, and I'd say the
same thing. I'd be like, I really, I think you're
really bright. I really like your work. And I think
he'd probably laugh to and this to me, you know,
I think about this all the time, is that my
bones are are I think a little bit in like
breaking an occasional story. Although I know what I am now,
(08:49):
I'm a generalist, but I do think whether it's Nick Wright,
Steven A. Smith, Me McAfee, whoever it is, Tony and Mike,
you know, Will bon Corneiser, who whatever it is, shows
should be a bit whimsical and fun.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It is sports.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Like I I don't watch outside of right near the election,
a lot of political coverage because I think it's so
exhausting and heavy and kind of mean spirited. So I
think it's Oh, I always think it's okay, like your show,
you don't you do. I wouldn't call them gabs, but
you do not gags, but you do.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
We do a lot of ridiculous things on the front
end and back end of what I consider smart analysis.
That's right, like today he had you you thankful, by
the way, thank you for doing it. Wild is out sick.
So like the introt, we do nix tiers, which is
you know people, some people call them power rankings. We
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do different things.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
What you know. Ours is a little different flavor to it.
But we're not reinventing the wheel here. It's ordering teams.
But on the front end of it, we have this
whole giant introduction about how big of a deal it
is and Wilds can do it. So we had you,
the face of the network, come in just to do
the intro ands out and then it's real analysis and
it's fact ridiculousness. I do think it's important in sports
(10:11):
to somebody else said this, by the way, this is
not my thought, but they were smart. I wish I
could give them credit. It is important to take sports seriously,
but not yourself seriously. Like you got to give the audience.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
You can't act like the games don't matter, because the
people who are watching really care. I care like the games.
You can't you but you can't take yourself like. One
thing that I appreciate about the way you do it
is you have no loyalty to a previous opinion. You
(10:45):
were like, I've got new I don't give I got
new information. I changed my mind, and people will get mad,
They'll be like, but you can't. It's like, well, I
just did screw you. What are you gonna do about it?
And so like it's just I'm not gonna act like
what I said previously is gospel if I get new
information on a thing, and so, you know, I think
some people have trouble, you know what I mean, either
(11:07):
taking it like it is life and death or just
making a joke out of the whole thing, kind of
trying to straddle that line.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, one of my
favorite sayings I once heard in life. I really I
try to live by it. Outline your life in pencil,
not pen Shit changes when you get new information. Stockbrokers, doctors, pilots,
comedians like something. Culturally, some things you can talk about
(11:35):
today and then not tomorrow. That's right, right, Like comedians Now, oh,
I can't use that term, that sentence, that word outline
your comedy in pencil. You may have to shift because
of some cultural changes. And again, if you're able to
do that in life, you don't get angry much. You
don't have a lot of grievance. I hear whenever I
hear people say, you can't joke about this anymore? All right,
(11:57):
change three words.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Who cares?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I'm glad you said that. I thought Seinfeld's thing yeah
was such a cop out, and it was so weird
coming from him, because buddy, the co creator of your show,
Larry David just finished a twenty year run of I
think the funniest show ever that made every inappropriate risk,
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whether it's about race, sex, gender, anything, that joke there
was and it had never been more popular. You know
what I mean that the idea that you that that
all of a sudden, oh man, you can't make good
content because the woke mob is going to cancel you.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
It's just not true.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And I a deep deep I think a great example,
oh deep was even more inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yes, and so the herb right, that's my point. So signed,
like Julia leaves sign, Field goes and does beep, Larry
Leifsteinfeld goes and does curb. Two of the most inappropriate
if you will. Mainstream shows ever, they get between them
twenty seasons, a million.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Times, wildly popular.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And then it's like, oh, you can't do it. Everyone
like I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I think that's a cop out. I think it's a
cop out.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Be funny, like the the thing is, And we've talked
about this before, I think, and I think it's a
good lesson for broadcasters, particularly talk radio guys, because especially
local talk radio, there is you know, some train of thought,
risk a stuff, whatever it is. But the rules always
been the same. Man, the riskier the joke, the funnier
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it better be. There is all like I, you know,
a decade ago before he had you know, some run
ins and you know kind of went out of the mainstream.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Louis c.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
K at the peak of his powers, on one of
his specs, ends a special I'm pretty sure, like it's
back to back to back punchlines of like kids dying
because of a peanut allergy, slavery and something else, and
every joke kills and it's like, Okay, he actually can
make fun of those things because the jokes work. What
(14:19):
you can't do is make a totally insensitive or risk
a joke that is lowest common denominator, not funny, So like, yeah,
you can still joke about really anything you want. Yeah,
you better just have the skill to pull it off.
And if you don't, then maybe color between the lines.
We aren't good in trouble, but the best of the
(14:40):
best can still say whatever they basically whatever they want
to say, and the audience responds accordingly.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
In my opinion, I think John Mulaney's the funniest stand
up I've ever seen in my life. I think Richard
Pryor and Eddie Murphy. When I first saw them, I thought,
that's the funniest thing I've ever seen. And then there's
a lot of like Chris Rocks and a lot of
(15:08):
great people.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Repel's my favorite ever. I just discovered John mullaney six
months ago. I didn't know who he was I Chicago.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
My wife flew me to Chicago to get seats A
one and two at the United Center to watch mullany.
She knows how much I love him. He absolutely killed.
I've now seen all of his stuff. He's right now,
like as we're recording this, doing a week of shows
in La the.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And he's he's brilliant. So like I was late to
the party with him. He's absolutely great. By the way,
good seats at a comedy show are a risky proposition, man,
because you always risk about being becoming a part of
the act. Like I guess with a special it's different,
you know what I mean, they're recording it. But my
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wife and I go to a lot of you know,
one of the best things about New York City is
there's great live comedy every night. So she and I
go a lot. And sometimes when we get there, the
folks there know me. You know, I sound like an asshole,
but sometimes they're like, oh, they're like, oh, do you
want seats up front? Like, no, do not like seats
(16:18):
up front. Don't want to become a part of the act.
Because also, particularly just you know, getting started stand up
comics there, it's there is no lower hanging fruit than
white guy, hot black girl. How long y'all been together? Oh,
what's your story? Like, Nope, not into it. Not I
am sitting in the back and watching. I Am not
going to become a part of this show. But I
(16:40):
love doing it. I love going Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah. David Spade will call me once a year and say, hey,
I'm at the comedy store in hermosa you want to
get tickets, and I'm I'm always like, hey, if I
see it, I don't I want I'll be behind the.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Pole in the back right exact se.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
No, I think I disagreed with Seinfeld on that, and
and I think deep curby your enthusiasm, David Chappelle. I mean,
that doesn't mean you won't get pushback on a transgender joke.
You're gonna get pushed back. But Chappelle delivers at such
a high level.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
By the way, if.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It wasn't for his his inappropriate personal behavior, Louis c
K would still be a star.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Right, That's the thing. So that's what's really bothered me.
If we may, I don't know, you know, we can, Yeah,
take your time. No, I just I I don't. I
think there are a few instances, and maybe a few
years ago it was really at a fever pitch in
a way that was brief and subsided. But I think
(17:44):
there was there has since been a conflation of cancelation
and consequence. Like I think that Luis c K did
it seems like some really inappropriate stuff and paid.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Some content questions. Yeh, that is not Oh made a joke.
People didn't like, and now they're pulling his stuff. The
dude is a great actor. Kevin Spacey alleged to Douce
I have done some really inappropriate stuff and faced consequences.
That is not cancelation.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That is a tale as.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Old as time, which is you get caught doing illegal
or nasty shit, you might get in trouble. Cancelation is
would have been if Chappelle they were like, you're out,
but they it's not what happened. Chappelle told you had
told some jokes at the expense of the transgender community.
(18:40):
Then I think got upset at how it was represented,
so doubled and tripled down and by the way, still
has specials stills on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
There was pushback and there were certain people, and that's
you know what's also always been allowed. I don't like
you anymore because of something you said. I'm out watching you,
and in fact, I'm gonna tell my friends not to
watch you. That's also not being canceled. That is just
how human beings work. I saw this play, it sucked.
That's not canceling the play. That's saying you didn't like it,
(19:12):
and so I'm not gonna act as if there wasn't
a fever pitch at one point in time, like I
get this person, I'll get that person out.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But that was brief and subsided.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
But there should be consequences for bad behavior, and so
I don't I thought, I think that there was a
a overstatement of how many people get canceled for this,
that or the third Like I don't, I don't. I
didn't actually see that in my lived experiences.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, And I think artists realize actors, musicians, comedians. I
think if you're not stepping in it occasionally or or missing,
then you're not expanding your art. Like I'm I'm not
an artist, but I do think I go with a
blank page for three hours sixty hours a month, live, unscripted,
(20:03):
and if I step into it twice a year, okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Exactly how I feel?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, Like my takeaway has always been, I mean, you
think about this. So I just tried to watch the
Seinfeld movie. Liked about the first fifteen minutes. You had
all these really smart.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
This tart or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Like Gaffigan and Seinfeld and Mennican Sebastian Menekowsko or Mascolo yep, yeah, yeah,
and just really really talented people.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
They had a year to.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Work on this.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
It was not good.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
So I'm not going to lose sleep if I have
a bad segment, right, And they had sixty people writing
for the movie, right, So my take and Will Ferrell,
who's brilliant Anchorman, elf his head bomb after bomb, it
doesn't matter. So my takeaway is if you are a comedian,
a writer and artist, if you don't have a bad concert,
if you're not expanding your art. So I don't a comedian.
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Richard Pryor probably had horrible shows and was mean spirited.
That's why he's viewed as the most brilliant comedian ever.
So I think that's what worries me when you have
an avalanche and artists. And I think there was a
really small window in that.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I think there was. I think there was.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I'm not gonna act like it didn't exist, And I
do think there was a thirst. I think there all
of a sudden was a time where folks who had
felt like they never had real power, all of a
sudden had it and seemed to be like out for scalps,
like right, you know what I mean, and retro like
(21:43):
Chappelle did a whole thing where he's like talking about
the audience, talking about the audience, like trying to go
back in his archives to.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Find something he said.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And no, so I'm not gonna act like it never happened,
but that not only did it subside, I think now
it's swung in the other direction. Were any type of
like it's common courtesy, like maybe don't use that word.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
They're like, you woke pussy.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Like what it's like, okay, Like I don't like, I
don't know, man like it just seems like it's just
a lighte like I'm not and so I just I
don't think we were that the time of where you know,
the you say the wrong the wrong word accidentally and
it's like, well, you lost your job this and I'll
(22:32):
use I think a good example of it is a
guy I've known for a long time, not well, but
I've known him. I'm sure you know him too, Greg Doyle,
who had the really the writer for at least no
of him, had the unfortunate and awkward moment at the
Caitlin Clark press conference. And did he have consequences? Yet
it turns out he's been suspended two weeks. Do those
(22:54):
feel a little harsh to me?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Sure? But did he lose his job? Did he?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
You know?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
What I mean was it was it was a and
to me that was honestly less about like a PC
thing and more about the newspaper wanting to make sure
it maintains its relationship with the team that is now
the hot team in town because they got Caitlin Clark
and showing they take it seriously. Like I just think
(23:23):
I don't have I don't go on the air worried like,
oh boy, if I say the wrong thing here, it's
gonna be you know, there's they're gonna be at the
gates demanding that I'm that I'm run out of media
like I just and I'm live like you, I'm live
every day.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, can I let me throw something at you with
Kaitlin Clark, it's not really a pet pee, but it's
something the media does with regularity, is that they protect
people who don't need protecting. And it actually I think
it's disrespectful. It's okay to I'll give you two, it's
okay to say Aunt Edwards reminds you me of MJ.
(24:03):
He doesn't need protecting. He leans into it the shrug stop.
I wouldn't have suspended Greg Doyle, although I thought it
was really weird.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It was weird, but and it's one of those things.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
If I made this, yeah, go ahead, if her name
was Kevin Clark, no, and so that no, Hitlin doesn't
need our protection. She is a strong, defiant, tough I mean,
watch her in games. She is tough.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So I so I the on the Greg thing, like
I also, I think my reaction to that was colored
by the fact that I do know Greg and I
know like he's a well meaning kind of awkward like
you know what I mean, if you've been around him,
you can see, Oh, that wasn't spoke.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
He wasn't trying to be creepy. He's just, I.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Think, well meaning but a little awkward at times. And
that's what came across. That's what I know him a little.
I thought the same if I but if you had
never met him, you might be like, what the hell
is you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Who is this guy? So there's the context of it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I so with Caitlyn, I think it's happened in a
different way as far as protecting when she didn't need
protecting the world, you know, when I shouldn't say. The
world a big portion of the population really turned on
Angel Reese in last year's title game because she taunted
Caitlyn and there and that there was now there was
(25:30):
a lot of racial dynamics there. She's big, she's bigger
than Caitlyn, she's black. It's a lot of things led
to Angel Reyes being the villain. But the fact of
the matter is Caitlyn Clark was not bothered by it
because Caitlyn Bark's a badass and was like, you know what,
I'll do it back to you and I'll get you back.
But there was some like, you know, because she was
(25:52):
a woman, because she was a white woman. There are
a lot of things where people were trying to, you know,
put on the capes and rush to go save her
when she.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Didn't need the saving. Flatley didn't need the saving, like
and so yeah, I think that's a I think that's
a I think go ahead.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I think the media is well meaning with Caitlin, but
it is a very regular occurrence of protecting people who
don't need to be protecting. And the ultimate respect for
women's athletes is that Serena is Roger Feeder's equal emotionally
and in her sport, she's his equal. We don't protect
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Roger Serena's remarkable. She's the greatest tennis player I've ever seen.
She's the most dominant tennis player. I mean, I've been
watching since Chris Everett, Billy gen King, I've never seen
manage question.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It's not even close. So that's right, and that is
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So when we when during the NCAA tournament, all of
a sudden, the women's conversation turned to the goat of
women's sports and a weird or the goat of women's
tennis in a weird way. I was like, this is
a profound moment in the trajectory of women's sports because
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it is now popular enough that we are going to
have the dumbest conversations about it, you know what I mean, Like,
who's the goat of This is the dumbest, but it
is also gets people riled up, people have opinions, And
in my whole career leading up to that, we would
only be talking about women's sports.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
In such like a bespoke way. It wouldn't be that.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But now it's just like sports, like, hey, is she
the best? Is she gonna suck as a rookie, like
it's just regular stupid sports talk. Like I think that
what I'm really interested now. I happen to think Caitlin
is going to immediately be awesome in the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Same if she's not.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I think it will be patronizing and insulting if people
don't ripper. I know that sounds ridiculous, but same if
if you come into the like if you in men's sports,
if you are this super nova and you come in
and fall flat, nobody's putting. Nobody's treating you like a
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high school athlete like you know they are, and so
there is a level of like this sounds silly, but
equality of criticism that I think that that I do
think now is going to come to the w NBA
like I do.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I don't. I don't think it's going to be a.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Direct, straight linear growth, but I do think they now
have enough star power that it is going to be
a topic. Like I think Caitlin, how well she does,
is going to be on our show.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Isn't Isn't it the ultimate sign of respect? They say
that's about people in Boston. When a Boston guy pitches
your shit, you're part of the club. Yes, that's right,
exactly right, No, that's right.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
When you don't and I think this is if we
can you know again me and er further, I think
this is probably something I don't know this obviously, but
I'm a smart guy.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I bet it's true. I think it's probably something women
outside of sports deal with as a hurdle to their
growth in male dominated businesses, in executive spaces, which is,
the guys feel comfortable going out for drinks and busting
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chops with the other guys, which creates a camaraderie and
a relationship and you know what I mean, a kinship
outside of work. And I'm sure there's a lot of
women like man I get.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Left out of that because you know, they're trying to
be polite or you know, whatever it is. But it
actually prevents my ability to really be fully included and
to potentially move up the way people move up through relationships.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, I think I think you use the word patronizing.
I think the WNBA will arrive. I mean, it only
had seven hundred thousand people watch the WNBA finals. That's
not as good as the UFL. It will arrive this year,
and it will arrive because the discussions will be authentic
and critical, not flowery and protective, and I'm looking forward
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to it. I've said this, I think I told my
audience this today is I always think fewer games is better,
and I don't love the NFL going to seventeen games
and very quickly eighteen. But I think they will get
a second bye week, which is fair and the players
will love. But here's how I view it. So July
and August are dead. That's the vacation time for us.
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So the football season now will be Labor.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Day to President's Weekend, will do a week talking about it,
will take a vacation, all come back on March third
into March madness and free agency, quickly into the draft,
into the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So my take is, if you can.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Give me if the WNBA becomes a topic, and I
think it will be with Caitlin Clark, you're expanding my football.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I now get a new topic.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
So I'm rooting for Caitlin Clark because selfishly, if I
get eight to twelve on slow days or days I
have opening, not in the middle of the NFL season,
You're giving me Caitlin Clark topics. I try to get
Candas Parker on my show today. I am for it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Thanks for listening to part one of the conversations with Nick.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Don't forget to check back for part two.
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
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in my buddy Nick. Right, we chop it up on
a variety of topics hard to top. Last week we
were bringing it. But I might as well start. Oh,
I might as well start with a very serious topic
which is near and dear to me.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
How do you feel about this, that this is what
you're going to be known for. Honest to god, how
do you feel about it? I mean, it's now gotten
to you know Lebron and shout out, Well, I'll let
you set it up at your podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You set it up, but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well Lebron reacted to it, and JJ Reddick reacted to it.
So this started years ago. I think it was Tony.
I was at the other place ESPN, and Tony Romo
was doing something at the podium. And it's always been
about the weekly Wednesday podium. When you're a franchise quarterback,
I don't care if you're any other position. I don't
care about off season. I care about the quarterback face
of the franchise on a Wednesday podium, looking like you
(02:16):
know you're the face of the franchise Because you are
the coach on the field and the highest paid player usually.
And so I said something about it. And Steve Spurrier
was the college coach at South Carolina, and in his
weekly media session he literally said, in his southern voice, Now,
I was listening to a radio host, Colin Coward, say
something here, Dan. I really agreed with him. And you know,
(02:39):
he went on about it. He said, I kind of
liked it, and I kind of agreed with it, and
so I thought, see, I'm not that crazy. That's not
a bad idea. So and I did it a couple
more times. Now it's gotten a life of its own,
and I think most people now, well I shouldn't say that.
I think a big chunk of people sort of get
I'm being theatrical and my outrage is somewhat manufactured.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I don't, but if it comes from a real opinion,
it is you have you have. The further along it's gone,
the more, I don't want to say ridiculous, but you
you it's become a thing I'm totally here for.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But the and we we've talked with this once before, and.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I'm gonna reiterate the point and actually tie it back
to today's thing, which is, even if people vehemently disagree
with you on the specifics of backwards hat for forwards hat, everyone,
if they're being honest, should be able to admit we
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all have a backwards hat thing that makes us judge
people like there is there So it can be as
simple as, oh, that person who I thought was like
a big time you know, powerbroker, Oh he doesn't match
(04:06):
his belt to his shoes, like, oh, he's not as
sophisticated as I thought, or again, I'm just making that up.
So here's what I found so funny about today. I
don't really give a shit that JJ Reddick was wearing
a backwards hat at all. You know what, you know
what happened today, though, that gave me another piece of
evidence that said I would not hire JJ Reddick right
(04:29):
now to be the head coach of Los Angeles Lakers.
That he responded to the clip that to me was
far more damning than his hat. It's like, buddy, you
can't be three days ago I saw you on the
Internet arguing with a San Francisco radio producer.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Now you're watching.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Clips of Howard talking about you loling it like, I
just I don't think you're gonna go from that level
of Internet, that engagement, maybe even searching your own name,
all that stuff that people do, by the way, and
I'm not judging them for it, but I don't think
it'd be healthy to do as the head coach of
Los Angeles Lakers, and I don't think you'd turn it
(05:12):
off in a week.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So I don't care about the hat.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I care that he reacted to the clip, like I
really do. And by the way, I wouldn't care at
all if it was like a broadcaster, like just in
his current job react to whatever you want, but a
different job we're talking about now, which again, I don't
think you would care about the backwards hat if it's
just he's the NBA announcer, but if it's like, oh,
you're gonna be the head coach of my team.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So I get it. I actually get it. Well.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I mean, if you don't think appearance matters, Your daughter's
on the emergency table in a hospital and a surgeon
came in in a suit and they put his white
or a blue robot or a backwards hat, what would
you prefer? Or your pilot on a plane came in
(06:00):
or he has his hat backwards, which was a preferred
a turbulent.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Night well and so and I also think, you know,
Lebron responded with two pictures and I wasn't sure who
the first guy was because the second guy's Jason Kidd,
and it's like, oh, he's done a great job. And
it's like, yeah, but Jason Kidd also and JJ has
this going for him as well, like you know, former athlete,
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former athlete turned coaches a little different, which is where
I think JJ probably has more of a you know,
margin prero here. But the other guy was like, who
is that? And then we figured it out. It's the
guy who owns the jazz Well. At some point, you like,
you succeed out of hat like now, all of a sudden,
(06:45):
you never have to wear a suit. Like I don't
know if you watched the show Billions, but the may
I know it's fictional, but the main character Bobby Axelrod,
who was the billionaire he'd go to work, everyone's wearing
a suit. He's wearing a Metallica T shirt. Because it's like, ah,
I own the place. I kind of can like, yes,
there is that element to it, but but I love it.
(07:06):
I think it is my I mean, it is so
funny that four times a year. I know, I'm like, oh, well,
half of Colin's show is taken care of for no reason.
And because there's always new people in the ecosystem, there
are people who this is their first experience with you
(07:26):
and backwards at and so they don't get any of
again that not that it's a joke, but that this
has been a twenty year thing, and those people replying
are the best.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
They're like this guy.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You got I mean, it is the best, and you
don't have to explain the joke.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Just let them go. It's it's the best.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, it's you know, I as you know, I love football.
I try never to take myself seriously. I think I
laugh at myself all the time, but I do take
my job seriously. But it is something now that's takes
you know, It's got a life of its own. It
didn't bother me, JJ Reddick responded, because JJ wasn't outraged
by it. He was laughing at it.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Steve Kerr, before he became big, was a hilariously funny,
whip smart analyst. And you know, a couple of years
later or a year later, he transitions from being kind
of funny with Mike Breen to being a GM the
most serious job in the world. So I think I
think JJ's a really bright guy, and it doesn't bother
me that people respond, but I do, like, you know,
(08:27):
I've if I think if JJ walked up to me
in a story, he'd be like, and I'd say the
same thing. I'd be like, I really, I think you're
really bright. I really like your work. And I think
he'd probably laugh to and this to me, you know,
I think about this all the time, is that my
bones are are I think a little bit in like
breaking an occasional story. Although I know what I am now,
(08:49):
I'm a generalist, but I do think whether it's Nick Wright,
Steven A. Smith, Me McAfee, whoever it is, Tony and Mike,
you know, Will bon Corneiser, who whatever it is, shows
should be a bit whimsical and fun.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It is sports.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Like I I don't watch outside of right near the election,
a lot of political coverage because I think it's so
exhausting and heavy and kind of mean spirited. So I
think it's Oh, I always think it's okay, like your show,
you don't you do. I wouldn't call them gabs, but
you do not gags, but you do.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
We do a lot of ridiculous things on the front
end and back end of what I consider smart analysis.
That's right, like today he had you you thankful, by
the way, thank you for doing it. Wild is out sick.
So like the introt, we do nix tiers, which is
you know people, some people call them power rankings. We
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do different things.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
What you know. Ours is a little different flavor to it.
But we're not reinventing the wheel here. It's ordering teams.
But on the front end of it, we have this
whole giant introduction about how big of a deal it
is and Wilds can do it. So we had you,
the face of the network, come in just to do
the intro ands out and then it's real analysis and
it's fact ridiculousness. I do think it's important in sports
(10:11):
to somebody else said this, by the way, this is
not my thought, but they were smart. I wish I
could give them credit. It is important to take sports seriously,
but not yourself seriously. Like you got to give the audience.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
You can't act like the games don't matter, because the
people who are watching really care. I care like the games.
You can't you but you can't take yourself like. One
thing that I appreciate about the way you do it
is you have no loyalty to a previous opinion. You
(10:45):
were like, I've got new I don't give I got
new information. I changed my mind, and people will get mad,
They'll be like, but you can't. It's like, well, I
just did screw you. What are you gonna do about it?
And so like it's just I'm not gonna act like
what I said previously is gospel if I get new
information on a thing, and so, you know, I think
some people have trouble, you know what I mean, either
(11:07):
taking it like it is life and death or just
making a joke out of the whole thing, kind of
trying to straddle that line.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, one of my
favorite sayings I once heard in life. I really I
try to live by it. Outline your life in pencil,
not pen Shit changes when you get new information. Stockbrokers, doctors, pilots,
comedians like something. Culturally, some things you can talk about
(11:35):
today and then not tomorrow. That's right, right, Like comedians Now, oh,
I can't use that term, that sentence, that word outline
your comedy in pencil. You may have to shift because
of some cultural changes. And again, if you're able to
do that in life, you don't get angry much. You
don't have a lot of grievance. I hear whenever I
hear people say, you can't joke about this anymore? All right,
(11:57):
change three words.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Who cares?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I'm glad you said that. I thought Seinfeld's thing yeah
was such a cop out, and it was so weird
coming from him, because buddy, the co creator of your show,
Larry David just finished a twenty year run of I
think the funniest show ever that made every inappropriate risk,
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whether it's about race, sex, gender, anything, that joke there
was and it had never been more popular. You know
what I mean that the idea that you that that
all of a sudden, oh man, you can't make good
content because the woke mob is going to cancel you.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
It's just not true.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And I a deep deep I think a great example,
oh deep was even more inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yes, and so the herb right, that's my point. So signed,
like Julia leaves sign, Field goes and does beep, Larry
Leifsteinfeld goes and does curb. Two of the most inappropriate
if you will. Mainstream shows ever, they get between them
twenty seasons, a million.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Times, wildly popular.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And then it's like, oh, you can't do it. Everyone
like I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I think that's a cop out. I think it's a
cop out.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Be funny, like the the thing is, And we've talked
about this before, I think, and I think it's a
good lesson for broadcasters, particularly talk radio guys, because especially
local talk radio, there is you know, some train of thought,
risk a stuff, whatever it is. But the rules always
been the same. Man, the riskier the joke, the funnier
(13:43):
it better be. There is all like I, you know,
a decade ago before he had you know, some run
ins and you know kind of went out of the mainstream.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Louis c.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
K at the peak of his powers, on one of
his specs, ends a special I'm pretty sure, like it's
back to back to back punchlines of like kids dying
because of a peanut allergy, slavery and something else, and
every joke kills and it's like, Okay, he actually can
make fun of those things because the jokes work. What
(14:19):
you can't do is make a totally insensitive or risk
a joke that is lowest common denominator, not funny, So like, yeah,
you can still joke about really anything you want. Yeah,
you better just have the skill to pull it off.
And if you don't, then maybe color between the lines.
We aren't good in trouble, but the best of the
(14:40):
best can still say whatever they basically whatever they want
to say, and the audience responds accordingly.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
In my opinion, I think John Mulaney's the funniest stand
up I've ever seen in my life. I think Richard
Pryor and Eddie Murphy. When I first saw them, I thought,
that's the funniest thing I've ever seen. And then there's
a lot of like Chris Rocks and a lot of
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great people.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Repel's my favorite ever. I just discovered John mullaney six
months ago. I didn't know who he was I Chicago.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
My wife flew me to Chicago to get seats A
one and two at the United Center to watch mullany.
She knows how much I love him. He absolutely killed.
I've now seen all of his stuff. He's right now,
like as we're recording this, doing a week of shows
in La the.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And he's he's brilliant. So like I was late to
the party with him. He's absolutely great. By the way,
good seats at a comedy show are a risky proposition, man,
because you always risk about being becoming a part of
the act. Like I guess with a special it's different,
you know what I mean, they're recording it. But my
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wife and I go to a lot of you know,
one of the best things about New York City is
there's great live comedy every night. So she and I
go a lot. And sometimes when we get there, the
folks there know me. You know, I sound like an asshole,
but sometimes they're like, oh, they're like, oh, do you
want seats up front? Like, no, do not like seats
(16:18):
up front. Don't want to become a part of the act.
Because also, particularly just you know, getting started stand up
comics there, it's there is no lower hanging fruit than
white guy, hot black girl. How long y'all been together? Oh,
what's your story? Like, Nope, not into it. Not I
am sitting in the back and watching. I Am not
going to become a part of this show. But I
(16:40):
love doing it. I love going Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah. David Spade will call me once a year and say, hey,
I'm at the comedy store in hermosa you want to
get tickets, and I'm I'm always like, hey, if I
see it, I don't I want I'll be behind the.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Pole in the back right exact se.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
No, I think I disagreed with Seinfeld on that, and
and I think deep curby your enthusiasm, David Chappelle. I mean,
that doesn't mean you won't get pushback on a transgender joke.
You're gonna get pushed back. But Chappelle delivers at such
a high level.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
By the way, if.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It wasn't for his his inappropriate personal behavior, Louis c
K would still be a star.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Right, That's the thing. So that's what's really bothered me.
If we may, I don't know, you know, we can, Yeah,
take your time. No, I just I I don't. I
think there are a few instances, and maybe a few
years ago it was really at a fever pitch in
a way that was brief and subsided. But I think
(17:44):
there was there has since been a conflation of cancelation
and consequence. Like I think that Luis c K did
it seems like some really inappropriate stuff and paid.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Some content questions. Yeh, that is not Oh made a joke.
People didn't like, and now they're pulling his stuff. The
dude is a great actor. Kevin Spacey alleged to Douce
I have done some really inappropriate stuff and faced consequences.
That is not cancelation.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That is a tale as.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Old as time, which is you get caught doing illegal
or nasty shit, you might get in trouble. Cancelation is
would have been if Chappelle they were like, you're out,
but they it's not what happened. Chappelle told you had
told some jokes at the expense of the transgender community.
(18:40):
Then I think got upset at how it was represented,
so doubled and tripled down and by the way, still
has specials stills on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
There was pushback and there were certain people, and that's
you know what's also always been allowed. I don't like
you anymore because of something you said. I'm out watching you,
and in fact, I'm gonna tell my friends not to
watch you. That's also not being canceled. That is just
how human beings work. I saw this play, it sucked.
That's not canceling the play. That's saying you didn't like it,
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and so I'm not gonna act as if there wasn't
a fever pitch at one point in time, like I
get this person, I'll get that person out.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But that was brief and subsided.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
But there should be consequences for bad behavior, and so
I don't I thought, I think that there was a
a overstatement of how many people get canceled for this,
that or the third Like I don't, I don't. I
didn't actually see that in my lived experiences.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, And I think artists realize actors, musicians, comedians. I
think if you're not stepping in it occasionally or or missing,
then you're not expanding your art. Like I'm I'm not
an artist, but I do think I go with a
blank page for three hours sixty hours a month, live, unscripted,
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and if I step into it twice a year, okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Exactly how I feel?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, Like my takeaway has always been, I mean, you
think about this. So I just tried to watch the
Seinfeld movie. Liked about the first fifteen minutes. You had
all these really smart.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
This tart or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Like Gaffigan and Seinfeld and Mennican Sebastian Menekowsko or Mascolo yep, yeah, yeah,
and just really really talented people.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
They had a year to.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Work on this.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
It was not good.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
So I'm not going to lose sleep if I have
a bad segment, right, And they had sixty people writing
for the movie, right, So my take and Will Ferrell,
who's brilliant Anchorman, elf his head bomb after bomb, it
doesn't matter. So my takeaway is if you are a comedian,
a writer and artist, if you don't have a bad concert,
if you're not expanding your art. So I don't a comedian.
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Richard Pryor probably had horrible shows and was mean spirited.
That's why he's viewed as the most brilliant comedian ever.
So I think that's what worries me when you have
an avalanche and artists. And I think there was a
really small window in that.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I think there was. I think there was.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I'm not gonna act like it didn't exist, And I
do think there was a thirst. I think there all
of a sudden was a time where folks who had
felt like they never had real power, all of a
sudden had it and seemed to be like out for scalps,
like right, you know what I mean, and retro like
(21:43):
Chappelle did a whole thing where he's like talking about
the audience, talking about the audience, like trying to go
back in his archives to.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Find something he said.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
And no, so I'm not gonna act like it never happened,
but that not only did it subside, I think now
it's swung in the other direction. Were any type of
like it's common courtesy, like maybe don't use that word.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
They're like, you woke pussy.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Like what it's like, okay, Like I don't like, I
don't know, man like it just seems like it's just
a lighte like I'm not and so I just I
don't think we were that the time of where you know,
the you say the wrong the wrong word accidentally and
it's like, well, you lost your job this and I'll
(22:32):
use I think a good example of it is a
guy I've known for a long time, not well, but
I've known him. I'm sure you know him too, Greg Doyle,
who had the really the writer for at least no
of him, had the unfortunate and awkward moment at the
Caitlin Clark press conference. And did he have consequences? Yet
it turns out he's been suspended two weeks. Do those
(22:54):
feel a little harsh to me?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Sure? But did he lose his job? Did he?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
You know?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
What I mean was it was it was a and
to me that was honestly less about like a PC
thing and more about the newspaper wanting to make sure
it maintains its relationship with the team that is now
the hot team in town because they got Caitlin Clark
and showing they take it seriously. Like I just think
(23:23):
I don't have I don't go on the air worried like,
oh boy, if I say the wrong thing here, it's
gonna be you know, there's they're gonna be at the
gates demanding that I'm that I'm run out of media
like I just and I'm live like you, I'm live
every day.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, can I let me throw something at you with
Kaitlin Clark, it's not really a pet pee, but it's
something the media does with regularity, is that they protect
people who don't need protecting. And it actually I think
it's disrespectful. It's okay to I'll give you two, it's
okay to say Aunt Edwards reminds you me of MJ.
(24:03):
He doesn't need protecting. He leans into it the shrug stop.
I wouldn't have suspended Greg Doyle, although I thought it
was really weird.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It was weird, but and it's one of those things.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
If I made this, yeah, go ahead, if her name
was Kevin Clark, no, and so that no, Hitlin doesn't
need our protection. She is a strong, defiant, tough I mean,
watch her in games. She is tough.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So I so I the on the Greg thing, like
I also, I think my reaction to that was colored
by the fact that I do know Greg and I
know like he's a well meaning kind of awkward like
you know what I mean, if you've been around him,
you can see, Oh, that wasn't spoke.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
He wasn't trying to be creepy. He's just, I.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Think, well meaning but a little awkward at times. And
that's what came across. That's what I know him a little.
I thought the same if I but if you had
never met him, you might be like, what the hell
is you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Who is this guy? So there's the context of it.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I so with Caitlyn, I think it's happened in a
different way as far as protecting when she didn't need
protecting the world, you know, when I shouldn't say. The
world a big portion of the population really turned on
Angel Reese in last year's title game because she taunted
Caitlyn and there and that there was now there was
(25:30):
a lot of racial dynamics there. She's big, she's bigger
than Caitlyn, she's black. It's a lot of things led
to Angel Reyes being the villain. But the fact of
the matter is Caitlyn Clark was not bothered by it
because Caitlyn Bark's a badass and was like, you know what,
I'll do it back to you and I'll get you back.
But there was some like, you know, because she was
(25:52):
a woman, because she was a white woman. There are
a lot of things where people were trying to, you know,
put on the capes and rush to go save her
when she.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Didn't need the saving. Flatley didn't need the saving, like
and so yeah, I think that's a I think that's
a I think go ahead.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I think the media is well meaning with Caitlin, but
it is a very regular occurrence of protecting people who
don't need to be protecting. And the ultimate respect for
women's athletes is that Serena is Roger Feeder's equal emotionally
and in her sport, she's his equal. We don't protect
(26:28):
Roger Serena's remarkable. She's the greatest tennis player I've ever seen.
She's the most dominant tennis player. I mean, I've been
watching since Chris Everett, Billy gen King, I've never seen
manage question.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It's not even close. So that's right, and that is
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
So when we when during the NCAA tournament, all of
a sudden, the women's conversation turned to the goat of
women's sports and a weird or the goat of women's
tennis in a weird way. I was like, this is
a profound moment in the trajectory of women's sports because
(27:05):
it is now popular enough that we are going to
have the dumbest conversations about it, you know what I mean, Like,
who's the goat of This is the dumbest, but it
is also gets people riled up, people have opinions, And
in my whole career leading up to that, we would
only be talking about women's sports.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
In such like a bespoke way. It wouldn't be that.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But now it's just like sports, like, hey, is she
the best? Is she gonna suck as a rookie, like
it's just regular stupid sports talk. Like I think that
what I'm really interested now. I happen to think Caitlin
is going to immediately be awesome in the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Same if she's not.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I think it will be patronizing and insulting if people
don't ripper. I know that sounds ridiculous, but same if
if you come into the like if you in men's sports,
if you are this super nova and you come in
and fall flat, nobody's putting. Nobody's treating you like a
(28:12):
high school athlete like you know they are, and so
there is a level of like this sounds silly, but
equality of criticism that I think that that I do
think now is going to come to the w NBA
like I do.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I don't. I don't think it's going to be a.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Direct, straight linear growth, but I do think they now
have enough star power that it is going to be
a topic. Like I think Caitlin, how well she does,
is going to be on our show.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Isn't Isn't it the ultimate sign of respect? They say
that's about people in Boston. When a Boston guy pitches
your shit, you're part of the club. Yes, that's right,
exactly right, No, that's right.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
When you don't and I think this is if we
can you know again me and er further, I think
this is probably something I don't know this obviously, but
I'm a smart guy.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I bet it's true. I think it's probably something women
outside of sports deal with as a hurdle to their
growth in male dominated businesses, in executive spaces, which is,
the guys feel comfortable going out for drinks and busting
(29:27):
chops with the other guys, which creates a camaraderie and
a relationship and you know what I mean, a kinship
outside of work. And I'm sure there's a lot of
women like man I get.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Left out of that because you know, they're trying to
be polite or you know, whatever it is. But it
actually prevents my ability to really be fully included and
to potentially move up the way people move up through relationships.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, I think I think you use the word patronizing.
I think the WNBA will arrive. I mean, it only
had seven hundred thousand people watch the WNBA finals. That's
not as good as the UFL. It will arrive this year,
and it will arrive because the discussions will be authentic
and critical, not flowery and protective, and I'm looking forward
(30:20):
to it. I've said this, I think I told my
audience this today is I always think fewer games is better,
and I don't love the NFL going to seventeen games
and very quickly eighteen. But I think they will get
a second bye week, which is fair and the players
will love. But here's how I view it. So July
and August are dead. That's the vacation time for us.
(30:43):
So the football season now will be Labor.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Day to President's Weekend, will do a week talking about it,
will take a vacation, all come back on March third
into March madness and free agency, quickly into the draft,
into the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So my take is, if you can.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Give me if the WNBA becomes a topic, and I
think it will be with Caitlin Clark, you're expanding my football.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I now get a new topic.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
So I'm rooting for Caitlin Clark because selfishly, if I
get eight to twelve on slow days or days I
have opening, not in the middle of the NFL season,
You're giving me Caitlin Clark topics. I try to get
Candas Parker on my show today. I am for it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Thanks for listening to part one of the conversations with Nick.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Don't forget to check back for part two.
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