Colin Cowherd Podcast - Russ Outduels Aaron, Chiefs Keep Winning Ugly, Lions The “Class Of The NFC”, Saquon Torches Giants, CFB Reaction - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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on a variety of topics from Georgia Texas to Kansas
City San Francisco Eagles Giants. So the Steelers beat the

(01:09):
Jets thirty seven to fifteen. It is the most points
the Steelers have scored since twenty twenty one, and the
Jets have now surrendered sixty points since Robert Sala, the
best coach on their staff, is fired. So I was
just thinking about this, so I wrote down how every
Jets game has gone blown out, ugly win, dominating win,

(01:31):
New England first team in the league, ugly loss, close loss,
close loss, ugly loss. There are two and five football
team and the Steelers are five and two. And if
you watch tonight the Steelers offense, I mean it may
have been ugly for Russell Wilson in that first quarter,
it was really ugly, but second half he was the

(01:53):
better quarterback. So two takeaways. The Jets fired Robert Sala
the defense in the last two games. I said it
at the time, you just fired the best coach in
your staff. The defense has not played up to a
Robert Solis standard since he was fired. That's what change does.
So now Aaron is asked to be better than he

(02:14):
was before when Sala was the coach because the defense
isn't as good, so you got rid of the best
coach on your staff. And yeah, I mean in the
second half of that game. So I went I was
thinking about Russell Wilson because obviously I was a huge
fan of Seattle. Then Denver was the hacket eyear was
a disaster, and the Sean Payton ere it was fine.

(02:35):
And then I went and looked at the numbers for
Russell Wilson in Denver, and because Sean had such disdain
for him, you know, there was this sense that Russell
was terrible in Denver. No, the Broncos defense last year
was awful. That's why it's so surprising that the Broncos
defense this year is so good. It's mostly the same players.
What happened, I mean the same guys. Basically, they didn't

(02:59):
have many draft picks, right, they gave him up to
get Russell Wilson, so they went and got a kid
from Utah defensive end. They just didn't have any picks
once and got a receiver or two. So Russell last
year in Denver with Sean Payton, and they didn't they
didn't connect, but he won five games in a row
in the middle of the season. He finished with a
ninety eight passer rating, sixty six percent completion percentage, twenty

(03:23):
six touchdowns, eight picks, and elusive, not terrible. It's above average.
I mean, ninety eight passer rating is a B to
a B plus quarterback. The very few interceptions inaccurate. So
as you were watching the second half to night, Russell
was in total control. He was more athletic than Aaron Rodgers.

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He had two touchdowns, no interceptions. I thought he played
an incredibly clean game through for about two hundred and
sixty plus yards. If you had told me before the
night started, Russell Wilson would have outplayed Aaron Rodgers. I
would have said, you're out of your mind. This guy
hasn't played in forever. He's coming off a really bumpy, ugly,

(04:08):
bad pr year in Denver. And he out played him.
And Pittsburgh ran the ball. You know, it's the Steelers.
They're just going to kind of grind it and ugly
it and they're probably going to end up winning nine
to ten games. But Russell Wilson in the second half
was better. And what's becoming increasingly clear, and this is

(04:30):
not to take a shot, but Aaron is a completely
a pocket quarterback. Now he's Jared Goff, but Jared Goff
is much more accurate, with a much better offensive line.
But he doesn't move. Aaron doesn't move anymore. He has
a lot of shuttle passes, a lot of quick passes.
He didn't want to get hit, and he doesn't move.
And just go look at how valuable Mahomes movement was today,

(04:54):
or Jordan Love's movement was today. Go look around the
league in the morning. Trevor Lawrence moving, that's winning football games,
Josh Allen's movement today. Aaron is a pocket only quarterback
with some flips, quick passes. Didn't stand in the pocket
very long. The receiving course. Okay, now, Mike Williams even
made a catch tonight, but Russell was the better quarterback.

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And you know it was ugly early, but you got
to get over first impressions. This is a two and
five football team. Thank god they played the Patriots again.
They play the Jags later, So, I mean, New York's
got all sorts of opportunities, but we're gonna have to
be totally honest here. Russell Wilson, with this defense and
this culture and this head coach and this run game

(05:41):
is going to end up having a better year than
Aaron Rodgers with that interim coach and that crappy culture
and that bad owner and a hit and misrun game,
Jets couldn't run the ball tonight. You know, it's funny
Aaron and Russell Wilson. I can't speak for Russell. I
don't think Russell spent a lot of time thinking about

(06:03):
Aaron Rodgers, but Aaron has never been a fan of
Russell Wilson. You know, Aaron, I don't know if he's spiritual.
I'm not sure if he's agnostic, but he's spiritual. Always
kind of rolled his eyes at Russell Wilson. It was
pretty understood in the league, So to lose to Russell
Wilson is you know, it's just I would imagine kind
of digs and Aaron Rodgers. But I don't think anybody

(06:26):
could watch that game tonight and be confused. Russell was
much more under control, had a better run game, had
a better coach. But that's that's part of it. So
you know, it's funny. When Russell first went to Pittsburgh,
my take was, oh, it's a pretty good spot. It
won't be a heavy lift for him. He's got pickings
on the outside, got a couple of good backs. It's
a good culture. And then you know he calf injury,

(06:49):
loses his job to Justin Fields. You know, you just
you just tearing things that you know, is he a Steeler?
I mean the press, the leaks, but you're why tonight man,
And I'm like, yeah, that's better than Justin Field's. He
was more under control his cadence at the line of scrimmage.
He was more under control. So we got to be

(07:10):
fair about this stuff. What do he looked like in
the first quarter and what he looked like in the
second half two different things. And the Jets, I mean,
I said going into the weekend it was one of
my picks of the week. Then the staff here at
the volume's like, are you sure? My blazing five? Two wins,
two losses and a push, but this was my second

(07:31):
favorite moment of the week. I thought, Russell hasn't played,
he's coming off a calf injury. The locker room kind
of like Justin Fields. I mean, big Ben is like
you can't see him. There was literally nobody around the
Steeler organization outside of it that thought it was a
good move. There was nobody I mean big Ben talk
show hosts, I follow Pittsburgh media. Nobody liked the Russell

(07:53):
Wilson move. And by the end of this game, you're like,
of course, it felt like it was the right move.
He was just I kind of just felt like he's
been in so many games and so many standalone games.
It wasn't too big for him. And you know, what
a messy season for a franchise that cannot get out

(08:18):
of its way. I mean, just think about this, go
look at the green Bay Packers. Now. Green Bay Packers
are human. They've got a young quarterback, They've got incredible
chemistry in that locker room with all those receivers and
tight ends for the Packers. What a fun team to
be part of. And it's now when you look at
the Packers, how lucky are they to have moved on

(08:45):
from the toxicity of Erin I'm being realistic. I mean,
the Packers now are young. Generationally, everybody's on the same page.
They're fun, They're just a fun team to watch. They've
got a really nice spirit in Green Bay and cranky,
prickly Air goes to New York and it's just this divorce.
You know that Brady Belichick divorce was really ugly. But

(09:07):
the Aaron green Bay divorce, it's not good. It's the
opposite of Brady. Brady won his divorce. Aaron's losing his
green Bay young, fun, energetic, winning, New York mass impulsive, grumpy.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
God.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
I just cannot believe what I watched the night. Sports
is crazy. I mean, over the weekend, John and I
will talk about that Georgia thumping of Texas. Obviously the
Niner Kansas City game, but it was dominating, second half
was dominating, wasn't even competitive again. Pittsburgh Steelers thirty seven,

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and we're gonna spend some time on Kansas City and
San Francisco, both teams you know, hemorrhaging wide receivers. And
I thought this is the real separator between Mahomes and
a good quarterback. Mahomes had an ugly pick, Brock had

(11:43):
a multiple picks. Brock had three, But there were three
or four moments in this game you know, the the
shotgun fourth and one, Mahomes running it in the thirty
three yard run, and I felt, I felt in this
game it'd be easy to pick on Brock curty because
he didn't play well, but Mahomes didn't play particularly well.
But there is something to be said about being resourceful,

(12:05):
which I think Andy Reid and the Chiefs have made
a living on. They're still ham and egging this wide
receiver court. Nobody's ever healthy today. PERTY had to deal
with that debo was six and I you had a
big drop that au gets hurt. I listen, they're going
to pay Brock pretty we know they're gonna pay him.
But in this moment, and again it's Mahomes, but I

(12:27):
thought there was a separation kind of these three or
four two or three magical moments, and it felt like
Mahomes had all of them.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, I mean, you can't really box course scout Mahomes
this year. It's been pretty terrible. But halfway through that
game when they were you know, they didn't have a
large lead, but it felt like they were in control
of the game. If you just watch Mahomes always made
big plays, yes, and one thing they've done and this
is where Veitch gets a ton of credit and Andy

(12:57):
being boys with spags and bringing him on board. They're
a defensive team. Yeah, I mean that defense creates havoc
the pass rush. All the abs can cover that, they
can lose dB after dB and they get random guys
making place so everyone's on the same page. Because the
guy's blitzing NonStop, you've got to be able to cover.
But yeah, I mean Mahomes just comes through that. They

(13:18):
have a little magic with him and Andy in the
biggest spots. Yes, and they did benefit today from Perty
and Kyle just kind of they were a bad I mean,
it was just it was the The Niners are awful
in the red zone, Perdy, you cannot afford. I think
the question, I think there's a couple of different angles
to this one. Why are we always in such a

(13:38):
rush to pay guys that you don't know for sure?

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Right, Like I got no problem paying Josh Allen after
year three, paying Patrick Mahomes, even the Ravens, but it
had with Lamar Jackson. I mean, Lamar Jackson is going
to go down. Besides, like ray lewis like the second
greatest player in the history of the franchise. He's not
a free agent. Aft he's going into his fourth year.
Let's take a nap breath. If he keeps playing this
shitty against good defenses, Minnesota, turn the ball over, tonight,

(14:03):
turn the ball over now there was one might not
have been his fault, but the other, like, you just
need some more plays. You can't go wow, all these injuries.
Who are the Chief's playing with? Just make a cup
of plays. No one's saying you're Patrick Mahomes. But this
was a pretty winnable game for the forty nine ers,
was it not.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, and Bray Tom Brady said this. He said this
twice with Purty two of the bigger pretty completions downfield.
Both balls were under thrown.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Well once a touchdown at the end of the game,
there's eleven minutes to go and they're down what two points?
Instead he ends up throwing the pick and the ends
the game.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, and so again it's I like Brock, but you know,
people struggle to contextualize things like I like Sam Darnold,
but this is a perfect situation. Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison,
good run game, excellent protection, brilliant coach, top defensive coordinator,
Donald is now playing better and he was really good today.

(14:57):
We'll get to that in fifteen minutes. But it's a
perfect situation for Sam Darnold, Like he went from Adam
Gase a terrible situation to a perfect one, and he's
somewhere in between. This has always been between Shanahan Trent
Williams Kittle. So today you know, to me, the whole

(15:18):
game came down to the brand and I you drop
and that that forces a punt McCole hardman, big punt return.
That was the game, Like that was the moment. Now
now who knows what happens. But once again San Francisco's
special teams are a huge liability in a big game.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
That's on the coach. Yeah, their special teams coverage have
been just horrendous since Kyle has been there. He does
not care. I mean that's the only way you can
sum up their special teams units. I'm not talking about
kicking and punting. I mean they're on there the third
kicker in three weeks, but the actual coverage units, it's
on the coach. Andy Reid, what does he do? Hired
Dave tope Wily, considered the best special teams coach going

(16:02):
back to Chicago with Devin Hester. See I go even
further because it's twenty one to twelve. Cowing the kid
from Arizona who can fly smokes the corner who just
comes in, and even Brady's like, listen, obviously you got
to hit the pass, but you hit that in stride.
He walks in the end zone, so then you're down.
Just I mean, a field goal wins the game at

(16:22):
that point, there's eleven minutes to go. Instead, he has
to stop. He gets tackled. A couple of plays later,
he throws a pick and he's not Mahomes or Josh
Allen as a deep ball thrower. But that wasn't the
hardest deep ball to throw, Like, you got to hit
that in stride. But think of how the entire game
is gone, no confidence, not playing well, doesn't have much
cohesion with that player. It was just I just get

(16:46):
back to this. If you have question marks about these
quarterbacks and they have years to go on there, what's
the difference between paying a guy fifty three million and
fifty eight million it's going to cost you more? Well,
I mean, I'd rather know for sure. Like at the
end of the day, the Cowboys, they know exactly who
Dak is, So why didn't you just pay him a
year and a half ago. If you're gonna pay him,
it does save you twenty thirty.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
He's been in the building forever.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, he's their guy. He wasn't gonna go anywhere. Not
that you're kicking party to the curb. But I'd never
understand this rush if we got questions, Let's just see
this season play out, because when they play good defenses
now Minnesota and Kansas City, like, you can't afford turnovers.
You cannot afford turnovers. And this year Party the fumbles obviously,
the picks and big spots, it just cannot happen if

(17:31):
you can't overcome them with is incredible brilliance like Mahomes
somehow is doing this year because he's turned the ball
over a lot, Colin, but it hasn't seemed to matter well.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
As Brady pointed out during the game, there was a
stat that first and second down, Mahomes is getting rid
of the ball quickly. On third down, he's holding it
for three and a half seconds because he's trying to
make big plays. But he realizes he can't do that
all the time. And you know the other thing with
Mahomes when he missed Worthy on that with the top

(18:00):
throw he overshot him. That's okay, like he's not going
to give you a chance to intercept the ball. But
there were I have like six different plays here. There's
a flip by him, he throws against his body, Travis
kelcey verhurt. I have six. I've got sheet after sheet
out or sheet of notes for this game. All six

(18:20):
are Mahomes plays. Now that's not to say I mean
right now, Seattle's in first place in that division. But
I said coming into the season, John, you can only
be so old so long. And Deebo comes in sick,
you gets banged up. This This Niner team Detroit is

(18:41):
like a younger version of the Niners, and younger players
when they do get hurt, recover more quickly. And I
kind of feel like the red zone issues are mostly
Christian McCaffrey. But I kind of feel like watching Shanahan
today today was a moment you're at home. Kansas City's vulnerable.

(19:03):
No Rashi Rice players go down and they use Mkole
Hardman like he's a number one, And it's just I
think that you have to look at the game as
a Niner fan and go, we're not beating these guys
unless we got to get more special at certain places.
That's how I feel about it.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, and for a large portion of the game, And
this gets back to when they struggle is they couldn't
run the ball. And when Kyle can't run the ball,
his passing game is built off that. He can't just
drop back and throw consistently. He's not comfortable calling plays
like that. In my one knock on him, as he
is a really good coach and he's proven to be
a brilliant play caller over the years, but I wouldn't

(19:40):
call him the most adaptive play caller. His offense is
his offense. It's very specific. Yeah, you know, he's it's
completely different. But like Mike Leech ran what Mike Leech ran, right,
Kyle runs what he runs, and if he's gashing you
in the run game, the passing game runs off that.
He can't just go like he has to keep running
the ball even when it's not working, because his passing

(20:01):
plays are all bootlegs and everything off play action instead
of just spreading it out and let pretty in college
and listen, I'm not acting. And one thing I've always
pushed back against when people criticize he's not Josh Allen
or Patrick Mahomes. But relative to the majority of guys,
over the course of his career, he's been better than
or equal to the Dacks, the Cousins, the Gofs. But

(20:21):
you have to rely on him sometimes, just spread it
out if the run game's not working, and then you
notice when they started getting back Mason started hitting some runs,
and that's when Kyle's feels the most comfortable. Andy Reid
is a good example. Now he's much older and much
more experienced. It doesn't matter. If something's working, he can
write it. If it's not working, they can adapt it. Kyle.
It's very, very specific, and I just think that so

(20:43):
dependent on the run game. Like I know, pearsall came
back from getting shot. So it's hard to put but
he is a first rounder. Cowing is a talented player.
You got Kittle out there, Mason gets the ball, you
can still throw the ball if the run games off.
The Chiefs were lined up, I dare you to run
the ball, We're gonna stop it. The majority of the
game they neutralized it.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
I mean think about early in the game. So Kansas
City faked a punt, stuffed, they had a they had
a pick, and they couldn't get points out of it.
And it's like, okay that when you play Kansas City
and you're at home and you snuff a punt and
you get a pick, you got to get.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
She's tried to hand them the game. They tried to
and I thought, and.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I wrote those down, I'm like, pretty got no points
for those in Kansas City by the second quarter, led
seven to three, and it's like, okay, that is that
not that you know because a couple of different times
I put you know, ball game, But when then iuke,
you know, drops the ball. Hardman has the big punt return,

(21:42):
Mahomes has that flip, that nice flip for a first down.
Next play they do a reverse right eight yards eight yards.
What you're seeing is, honestly, you're seeing a separation between
Andy Reid and the rest of these coaches. Because Shaitahnd's
top five to six this game today and when when
Hardman had that big punt return and I wrote this

(22:06):
down and he immediately went into the bag of tricks.
He knows you're reeling. He knows guys aren't focused. San
Francisco's pissed, Oh god, we didn't do this, and he
goes and when you're angry, you over pursue. When you're angry,
you play with more emotion, and he goes to deception
and tricks. He's completely manipulating San Francisco go knowing off

(22:29):
the punt return, they're reeling a little bit, they're pissed.
They now they want to make a play, and he
goes against your emotion, does flips reverse. I put Carson
Wentz in the game at one point, like in these
high leverage situations, I mean, this is this is how
you win. This is Michael Jordan and the Bulls. On
bad nights, you'd have these high leverage possessions. Michael hits

(22:51):
a jumper, Pippin makes a block, and a tie game
becomes a five point Bulls lead like that, and they
just milk the clock for forty second hit free throws
and they win the game.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Think about why Andy does that. Carson Wentz plays a
great example. Bye week, they're undefeated, but they haven't played
that well. But he's not, you know, some crazy a
hole where he's going to be angry all the time,
like Belichick and parcels the way they coached. So he
puts that in over the bye week to kind of
loosen everyone up, have a good time, keep other people engaged. Yes,

(23:22):
and people get to look forward to that. This is
a team colin the league is very very lucky that
they are banged up at wide receiver because I use it.
We were talking before you hopped on, like if they
just had Tyreek Hill, they'd be unbeatable. Well, he's been
gone for a while. Let's just say Rice was healthy,
Patako was healthy, Hollywood Brown had played the rest of
their guys were playing with worthy. This team would go

(23:42):
sixteen and one with these I mean, I don't think
that if they were remotely healthy, they'd be unbeatable because
their defense is dominant.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, I mean John Rashi Rice when he was healthy,
he was a one.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
So he's become big time.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, he's become a one. He's not justin Jefferson, but
he's a one.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
So the Niners can't score in the red zone and
the Chiefs in theory shouldn't be able to either, but
they manipulate it and they are able to find it
because of coaching. And this is I noticed this last
week in the Seattle Thursday Night game. Is there were
a couple of play or two weeks ago, you know,
Ryan Grubb, a couple of plays didn't hit. But it
was like, damn, those guys were open. It was just off.

(24:20):
If the Niners played Seattle every week because they owned Geno,
they'd win fifteen games. But when they played, when they
played Seattle, you're like, that's the old Niners. And then
they play these other teams and they kind of look
like a show of themselves. Today was weird. Obviously, guys
got injured and sick, but I just can't do excuses
when the Chiefs are playing that way too. You still
got both out there. You still got Fred Warner, Tarvarius Ward,

(24:40):
you got a lot of money's worth money worth of players.
I mean, the chief there is twenty eight points, but
there was a late touchdown. The Chiefs had struggled to
get to twenty again for the majority of the game.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, you know you're at home there. Kansas City literally
has no hole. San Francisco has a red zone hole,
a special teams hole, a broad pretty in big spots hole.
I mean, these are now established issues. The red zone,
it's established special teams. San Francisco. It's established. Brought pretty
in the red zone, can't make plays, it's established. Brady

(25:14):
said something today about this. He's like, I mean, he's
trying to be kind, but like, at one point, these linebackers,
these no name linebackers for Kansas City, now Bolton, everybody knows,
but it's like, who are these guys? They got injuries,
they're they're I mean, they just it is a you know,
it's like when New England was dominating, You're like, I

(25:38):
don't really think I don't really think they have the
best roster, but they had the best offensive line coach,
the best coach, and the best quarterback in the best
tight end. And you started looking around and you're like,
where aren't they great? And you're like, well, they don't
get a lot of sacks, and then you look up
and you go, oh, there were second in the league
in pressures. They were kind of a holeless team. They

(25:58):
weren't great everywhere. They were terrible nowhere Kansas City, best coach,
best defensive coordinator, best quarterback, best general manager. I just
don't if Rashi Rice can play. This team's winning three straight.
I just don't see anybody be I text someone today.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
You know who they feel like right now is the
Alabama Saban dynasty where players changed some years. You to
watch them, you're like, oh, they're not as good as
previous years. And then the dust settled and they're right
there at the championship game. You're like, how the hell
did they do this? And it was because of Saban
in the program, and Saban in the program for the
Chiefs is Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, And I think

(26:36):
Spags they have a unique thing going because their defensive
coordinator is probably never going to become a head coach,
So they get this guy that now is institutional knowledge,
who's elite at his job, and they're all they have
this cohesion. So many teams, you got the coaches not
agreeing with the GMS and the owner. It's like they're
all on the same page. Andy Veach, Mahomes, Spags, they're

(26:58):
all speaking the same lange which and they have the
best quarterback in the biggest spots even when he's not
playing well. Isn't he used the Michael Jordan reference, you know,
Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods. Even when they were playing
their worst, you still believe when it mattered the most
they were going to come through. And isn't that Patrick Mahomes.
I don't he could throw seventeen picks in the game
in the fourth quarter in a HI game. I believe

(27:19):
he's gonna make it.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
No. There was once they trailed seven to three off
stuffing a block punt and getting a pick, and I
was like, Okay, that was your moment, that that's where
that's where a Baltimore could take a fourteen to three lead.
And you're like, oh shit, now Kansas City's reeling and
has to bail water. But if you can't, if you
can't nail those down, then that's not it. You're just

(27:42):
not going to do it. So I and by the way,
the IU drop early in the game is it's just
it's just bad karma holding out.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
He's had a lot of them calling this year. I
mean he said five or six.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Listen, I he had year left and he decided I'm
holding out with a year left on his contract. There's
gonna be some animosity. I don't think Kyle's holding it
against him. In fact, after the drop he patted him
on the sidelines. He's like, Okay, we need you. But
there is something to be said this I we don't
want the NFL to become the NBA. You'll get paid

(28:18):
if you're great. We know, even running backs. Now, Saquon
you're gonna get paid. You're Austin Eckler. Somebody's gonna want you.
I mean running backs had a huge weekend. You're gonna
get paid. But you hold out a year early. I mean,
look how fast Odell Beckham became irrelevant. I mean, it
takes one injury to a player in this league. They're

(28:39):
not tackling you in pro basketball. It takes one injury,
next man up, and you're just not needed. And so
I think, Ayuk he's needed on this team. I think
Cowling the fourth round picks better than pearsall potentially. I
think he runs better.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
You fly.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
So listen, it's it's you know.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Niners are in trouble. Luckily they got the Cowboys. Come
and up. Sunday night football Jesus might might be a
get right game. The Chiefs are we looking at fourteen
and three and then the dust settles and you go,
how the hell did they just do that? Like kind
I mean, Andy is really kind of establishing himself. And

(29:17):
we've had this argument before, but he has a couple, three, four,
five more years. I mean, and he's not like he
plays golf. I mean he's not as long as he's healthy.
He's coaching for the foreseeable future. I think we talked Belichick, Lombardi,
Andy Reid. You know, I mean, this is this is
remarkable that the stuff he's doing right now in the
end of.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
The two great The three best coaches in my lifetime
are Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, and Andy Reid. Now, I
think there's a lot of there's some Jimmy Johnson's, you know,
young John Madden. There's some really, really really good coaches
out there. But to me, I'm not going.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
To get home grown. Was pretty damn good with the ball.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
God, he was great homegrown. It was great. Hassleback on
that Seahawk team. Name five guys on that team. I
just sean Alexander Hasselback can't name the defenders. Holmegrin was sensational.
So listen, I think it's Bill Walsh, It's Belichick, it's
Andy Reid, and yeah, get right game.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I think I think Kyle really needs to look at
Andy and just see how he's adapted. I know he's
much older, but you have to be willing to adapt
your offensive play calling. You can't just be so beholden
to one thing. You know, for a long time, when
Andy was young, it was just throw the ball, throw
the ball, wouldn't run the ball. Yes, well, Philly's team
has become dominant. He's much more inclined to just include.

(30:43):
He's always thrown the ball to the running back, even
when he got to Kansay Jamal Charles. But I would
say these last five years with Butchaco that they are
just much more likely to today. He's got Kareem Hunt
off the street and they're just handed him the rock.
He will He'll do whatever it takes. Now, it's not
about style points. And I see Kyle sometimes like my
offense or the Highway. It's like, well, Kyle, you your

(31:03):
specific thing. You have to there's so many different flavors
now of offense. You have to integrate some different stuff
into your packages. And I think he's very hardheaded that way,
and I think that limits them sometimes in the in
the red zone. I think it's why it's hard. In
a weird way, it's easy to play quarterback for him
because it's a quarterback friendly offense. When you're running the ball,

(31:24):
But it can be difficult when things go wrong because
it's kind of there's only one thing to do.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
You know, Tom Brady because he was drafted in the
sixth round and to some degree because Kurt Warner wasn't drafted.
Those are complete Haley's comments. Those are outliers. Brock Pritty
was passed over by everybody six times, most teams seven times.
Is that he's he's he's clearly cognitively, very sharp, accurate

(31:55):
thrower of the football. But in these big spots you
can see that. You can see the lower round like
Dak Prescott's fourth round pick, you can see it. Kirk
Cousins movement, you can see it. And this sport. I
watched Dedeur Sanders again this weekend. That kid is moving,
putting balls into teeny teeny windows. There is something to

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Detroit thirty one, Minnesota twenty nine. So for years I

(33:02):
love the quarterback position. I talk about it, and for
years the one guy I've really supported is Jared Goff,
and people have shit on him for years, and I've
said he's a much better version of Matt Ryan. And
Matt Ryan was a really really good quarterback and an
MVP and got to a Super Bowl and probably should
have won one if not for one of the great
catches Julian Edelman in the history of the sport. He

(33:23):
went to Super Bowl. Goff was on a freaking heater
the last two three weeks. I mean, he's twenty two
to twenty five, two touchdowns, two hundred and eighty one
yards with this when he had Andrew Whitworth and mcvahan
in the Rams. And now he's a better version of
that because he got more snaps with Detroit. John He

(33:43):
is all steak and no sizzle, but is a pure
thrower of the football. He's like he is feeling it.
He's a guy that's hit. He's like when you know
when Steph gets all those hit five straight threes, They're like, Okay,
this stuff is He's unconn just golf. Today was just
spin of it. He threw a couple of balls in

(34:06):
the coverage. Remember this is Brian Flores, who has befuddled
pretty in j. C.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Stroud.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
I mean literally flummes them. I'm looking at Jared Goff today.
We've had two years of this guy. Take out Mahomes.
I'm not sure in a third down and his seven
take out Mahomes, I'm not sure there's another quarterback in
the league I want throwing the ball. He's that good.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, I mean I thought there were three games a
day early. You felt the intensity that felt like playoff games.
Obviously the Niners Chiefs, the Packers in Houston, and obviously
I think the game of the day was that the
Minnesota Detroit game. If you hit him, he can't move around.
But their offense, their offensive line is fantastic. Their offensive coordinator.

(34:50):
I don't quite understand his deal. Why he's kind of
scared to be a head coach what's going on there,
But he is brilliant. Yeah, and their general manager in
front officer deserves a lot of credit because it's been
good for a long time. The guy guy to a
super Bowl with McVeigh. He went through the downturn when
he hurd his thumb and McVeigh and him had the
weird fallof But when they got down. One thing that
happens in Minnesota, when you get down early, it's like, God,

(35:11):
are they going to overwhelm the Lions because that place
gets super loud. They've been up when they started the
first couple of games and they just kind of boat
race you. And that didn't happen today. And I think
the Lions like today might be one of their grittiest
wins in the last couple of years. But I'm with you.
I mean, I think Jared Goff he's a throwback. I mean,
there aren't many guys. I mean, he's better than Cousins

(35:32):
at this point.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Is he is he the last pure pocket quarterback taking
number one pure pocket?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Well, I just don't think we see those guys ever
again in college. Yeah, they just don't really exist. I mean,
I think he's a throwback in the sense that that
will never come up into You know, when you just
watch college football these last three or four years, when
do you ever see a good player that plays like
Jared Goff? Even I watched the USC Penn State game
because I missed a lot of it last That quarterback

(35:59):
is a little bit old school, but he moves a
lot better than Goff. Right aller for Penn State. You know,
I just don't think you see the flaccos. The elis
the philip rivers. So those guys have to master getting
rid of the ball, being accurate, knowing the offense, like
you have to be perfect. You watch Jordan Love today,
he's just kind of free with it doesn't matter, Like, yeah,

(36:19):
I think you need to work on the fundamentals a
little bit like Jared Goff's fundamentals have to be perfect
because he can't move outside the little radius. And they
got so many good players, they got such a great
offensive scheme, and it feels when you watch him like
this guy has mastered his offense. The timing of the throws,
the timing of the throws, and one thing I think
he really developed. I remember he got shit on pretty hardcore.

(36:41):
That first year with Jeff Fisher and then the divorce
with Sean McVay was not pretty right because I kind
of took Sean mcvay's side. I'm like, man, maybe this guy,
you know, saying I think I don't remember a guy
coming back and going this guy remember when Alex Smith
resurrected his career, Like this guy's mentally tough, you know.
I think Jared go falls under that. You're like, this

(37:01):
guy's got some mental fortitude to play for that coach too,
who let's face it, is much more of a tough
guy raw Rod, not exactly, you know. I mean that's
kind of the style with Detroit. We're gonna out toughya
mentally and physically. And I think, you know, Jared Goff
fits that mold perfectly. Flacco did for a long period
of time with Baltimore. Just a tough guy. And I

(37:21):
think Jared Goff it's not even debatable. I mean, he's
just been fan his career. These last couple of years
in Detroit. You could argue was more impressive than what
he did in La Oh it is because everyone kicked
him to the curb. I saw stat today, like he's
the first guy since like Kurt Warner back in his prime,
to have three straight games of one hundred and forty
plus QBR. I think the other guy's like Peyton Manning

(37:42):
over the last twenty five years. Yeah, I mean the
numbers over the last three three weeks or eye opening.
But their talent that draft colin a couple of years
ago where they got Gibbs Laporta. How about Brian Branch
who had a fantastic picked today. He had another one
that was called back because the guy stepped out of bounds,
but it looked like he returned a touchdown. The impact
players they got in that draft to overcome the Hutchinson injury.

(38:05):
I was tempted to bet on Detroit, but I was like,
that's a pretty huge emotional letdown losing that guy and
then they're down ten to nothing. I'm like, glad I
didn't do that. That team is very, very They got
a little Ravens and Chiefs like toughness to them, don't they.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, and it's Sam Darnold, by the way, twenty two
to twenty seven. Sam moves very well. Sam didn't play bad.
I think it's a perfect situation. I mean, justin Jefferson
just changes everything. I mean. But Sam, Sam made a
couple of deep throws today. I think in the second
half he was like thirteen or fourteen.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
He was brilliant. The second half he was.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
He hit Jordan Addison on a big play. I think Sam,
he's good. I don't know how far Kansas, how far
Minnesota goes in the playoffs, because I really do feel
like I feel like Detroit's now become the class of
the NFC. I really feel that.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
But I'll tell you what, I think Minnesota's pretty good.
Colin I say they're gonna win the Super Bowl, but
there are no like one and in the playoffs they
could beat anybody down. They probably play on the road,
so who knows, depending on the venue. But they're good,
well coached, they got firepower. Detroit's on a slightly another level.
But I was impressed with Minnesota today.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
So I think Detroit's the best team in the NFC,
and then I think there's two or three teams behind them,
Green Bay and Minnesota. But Darnold made a throw to
Jefferson for a touchdown. He made a throat to Jordan Addison.
The thing about Sam, you got to eat some of
the reckless you do with a Hey, Alan Mahomes, you
just got to eat some of it. But Sam, he's

(39:34):
a playmaker. And I think in the NFL, I think
the highs of Minnesota maybe higher than Detroit, but the
lows will be lower. I kind of feel now with Detroit,
John I get the exact same game every weekend, the
exact same game, dominant O line. And you know it's
funny that you think, oh, they'll go out and they'll
replace Hutchison, and they made Jacksonville one. Had they lost,

(39:58):
I think they had just emptied the roster, perhaps to
get more picks. But when I watched that game Detroit
Minnesota today, your takeaway had to be these are two
of the top four teams in the NFC. I think, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Think the one pitch the Lions have that no one
else has that their offense top to bottom is like
the Kadie you know Warriors. I mean, they got an
elite offensive line. They have a quarterback who's approven Pro
Bowl guy and can win playoff games. They have everything
at wide receiver. They got a possession guy who's elite.
They have a speed guy who's one of the fastest

(40:35):
guys in the league. They have, you know, when he's healthy,
one of the best tight ends in the league. They
have multiple dominant running backs. I mean, they got one
of the more physical guys in Montgomery and Gibbs is
I don't know, the young version of Alvin Kamara. I mean,
how good is that guy? His speed he had, he
had a run to day. He looked like Barry Sanders
in the open field, making the guy miss on the
touchdown and then their play caller because it's cohesion. Usually

(40:56):
most teams in this scenario that guy has just become
a head coach, had a new name filling that spot,
and it's usually little Rocky Well, this guy just keeps
turning down head coaching jobs and the offense keeps getting
better and in that spot today, like it wasn't about
trick plays, which they love to pull out. Today was
about you got to call big their downs. We're gonna
need big explosive plays and especially down early. And yeah,

(41:20):
I mean, I think Dan Campbell is a guy, and
rightfully so after that press conference, He's obviously speaks a
little different than a lot of these like intellectual offensive guys,
even though ironically Dan Campbell is an offensive guy, but
he's got a little more harbaught to him, feels a
little more offensive defensive lineman. He what the hell's the
difference between him and like one of the Harbob brothers.

(41:43):
I mean, this is I understand it's the NFL, so
that every team has money and if you draft well,
you can turn around. But that's just not the way
it works. I mean, there's a reason the Lions always sucked,
the Jags always the same teams are always bad. He
has turned the Lions into a power. It'd be one
thing if it's like, oh it was one year. No,
this is like the thing and this is different this year.
Everyone's gunning for him, right, Everyone takes some serious. They're

(42:04):
not sneaking up on anybody.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, and I think they don't have the owner of
Kansas City, but I think it's hard to watch Detroit
and not go front office out of this world, coach
culture center. Their schematic guy is Ben Johnson. Best offensive
line in football, best run game in football behind that

(42:27):
old line. I mean, if you told me today I
had to bet Kansas City against Detroit and the Super
Bowl and the field, I may take the Chiefs and
the Lions. That's how strongly I felt today, and.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
The Chiefs would be a tough matchup for him, or
I mean the Lions would be a tough match for
the Chiefs because it's hard for the Chiefs gets twenty points,
so even if the Lions play bad, they can get
to twenty five kind of with their eyes closed. That's
the thing. Now, it'd be hard to bet against the
Chiefs and they honestly, they'd probably be an underdog. But
that's where the Hutchinson injury. I think you feel even
more confident getting aggressive because like this is you look

(43:01):
around the league, like, why wouldn't you like Jane Raiders,
are you sure? Like you guys are going nowhere? What
do you want for Max?

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I mean, I said this week on FS one, Detroit
is one of the only teams in the league they
don't have a need now that branch is on the
back end, It's like, just give up your first round pick,
Just go get the best guy this team for about
another year. Can withstand giving up a first They've hit
on so many picks. Yeah, I mean even even Kansas City.

(43:28):
You'd be like, don't give away that first round pick,
Go get a tackle, Go get an offensive tackle. Like
at thirty one. There's a kid, there's some there's some
kid offensive tackle. I think Arizona may have one. Go
get a tackle, Detroit. They got their tackles, the receivers,
a deep threat, two backs, tight end, edge rusher. They
don't have needs. I would give up a first rounder

(43:50):
for that. And by the way, Hudge comes back, you
have two for you have two edge rushers.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
So what good luck beating me next year? All my
guys are under contract.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Right, Okay, I want to talk about this game. Third
former scout of the Eagles twenty eight to three win
over the New York Giants. Eagles twenty eight Giants three.
There was a couple of things. First of all, it's
gonna be a bad day in the Giants facility. Bad
bad day in the Giants facility. So Daniel Jones got
benched at the start of the fourth. Andrew Thomas is out,

(44:20):
which just I should have bet this game. J Mack did.
He tried to talk me into it. You take Andrew
Thomas out. This team can't move the ball. But they
benched Daniel Jones at the start of the fourth. Jalen
Hurts was bad on third down, but sakwon Barkley jammed
it right down the Giants throat and John It's one

(44:43):
thing if somebody comes back, Johnny Damon comes back to
haunt you, you know, if you're a Red Sox fan,
this was like the most predictable facial in the league.
And I looked at that and I thought, it's gonna
be a bad day. Like it over for Daniel Jones,
Like today when they benched him started the fourth, that

(45:04):
was just he was kind of like they waved the
white flag on Daniel Jones. And probably the season.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I know you talked to a lot of people in
the NFL. I can't tell you how many people their
jaw hit the floor when the you know, the videos
that came out of that Hard Knocks and the things
they allowed, and obviously it has to go through the
GM and the head coach, but I would imagine the owner,
like if the owner did not want him saying I
don't know if I can sleep if he's on the Eagles,

(45:33):
it wouldn't have come out that felt. Some of those
things that came out in that Hard Knocks made me
feel like the owner wanted it out. And if by
the time people are listening this Joe Shane is fired.
I just don't see Remember when he was asked and
he's like, eh, I don't think the Eagles. I think
he's gonna go the Bears and listen, I understand overpaying
running backs and it's difficult. But when he went to Philly,

(45:55):
I thought the moment when I watched that in the
off season, how is he going to have a bad year?
They draft multiple offensive linemen every year. They have arguably
the best offensive line coach who Jason Kelsey calls like
his father in Jeff Stoutlin. And he's rushing for one
hundred plus yards in all these games pretty easily. And
when they're semi healthy at wide receiver, like things are
going to open up for him. Today when it was

(46:16):
like I think he had like six or seven carries
for almost twenty yards and they announced, I'm like, I
bet he's gonna bust one soon. And then he busts
that fifty yard run and it was on. And it
wasn't just Daniel Jones getting benched with ten minutes ago.
They also pulled Jalen Hurts for Kenny Pickett. So it's
like you're benching your quarterback and they waved the white
flag in Saquon Barkley's unbuckling his pads with like seven

(46:38):
or eight minutes after he already has one hundred. He
had one hundred and seventy five yards and three quarters. Colinn, Yeah,
I just think that unless I understand they have injuries
and like you said, without Andrew Thomas, the Eagles who
have struggled to get a pass rush. They were in
the backfield on Daniel Jones every single play. They had
guys coming from every angle. He had no shot that one.
The owner said it, I don't know if I could sleep.

(46:59):
He's arm most popular player, he's our best player, and
now he's I mean, that's a team that's loaded with talent,
and what Saquon second or third best player on their
team on given games, he's their best player. To do
that to you at home, to just embarrass you. What
is what is the papers? I guess it's more of
the internet now. How people consume that the local talk
shows they are the local television. What are they gonna

(47:21):
say tomorrow? How does Joe Shane Ryan David I actually
think has done a pretty good job. So he's transitioned
to the offensive coordinator, Like guys get his quarterback is atrocious.
I mean, that guy is just he's just he can't play.
And I would imagine Drew Locke will just be the
quarterback and see if they can give him a spark.
But well, it's a one for the GM. Colin.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, it's a it's a cautionary tale if you make
a mistake. I see this a lot in a lot
of businesses. Don't get arrogant, don't get stubborn, don't double down.
They should never have drafted Daniel Jones sixth. Gettleman's goofball,
and then you know, I've been through a lot of
these drafts. Dave, he's not the sixth best player in
college football. He's probably not the fifty sixth best player

(48:03):
in college football. And then they double down on it.
I mean, I like Dable, I think they have their
left tackle. I like Malake Neighbors, Dexter Lawrence Thibodeau that
there's some players here, but it doesn't matter. You have
I mean, listen, people are getting bigger and stronger. You
watch the you watch the Chiefs and the Niners today,
like eight players left the game. People get hurt. You

(48:26):
have to have a difference maker at quarterback that can
overcome these injuries. And Daniel Jones is the classic example.
He needs everything right. The minute you take Andrew Thomas
left tackle out, it's over. It's just over. He can't
do it. And again, listen, I watched Mahomes get blown
out in the Super Bowl without his left tackle. But

(48:48):
I think you, I think the Giants just have to
start over. I think they have some nice defensive pieces.
I think they have to start over. And I think
I think you just have to go. I mean Daniel Jones,
I don't. I don't think he has a market. Maybe
a sixth round pick, a fifth round pick. Does he
have a market?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Oh no, With how much money he makes, I think
he's an untradeable player. I think when you look a
couple of years ago, remember when AJ Brown was traded
to the Eagles and the Eagles played him like in
the middle of the season and AJ Brown went nuts,
and John Robinson, who I've known since I was at
President State, I think he's pretty good, got fired the

(49:26):
next day, got fired the next day when AJ Brown
destroyed the Titans. That's kind of what this feels like.
With Sakwan Barkley, a high character, great guy. Every kid,
every dad buying their kid a jersey, feels great about it.
And he's just an elite player. I mean, you watch
him on that Eagles team. He's going to be a
big reason that they're not the most cohesive operation right now.

(49:49):
With their head coach and that guy, I mean, they're
going to end up winning. The problem for the Giants
is you remove a couple of years ago when they
made the playoffs at nine and eight. So it's not
like they made the playoffs with eleven or twelve wins.
I mean, they won nine games. It was one of
the great coaching jobs ever. They have been awful since
they fired Tom Coughlin. I mean, and even those last
couple years of Tom they were bad. That they have

(50:10):
been really bad for a long time now. And you
got Washington, who I know they played Carolina today, but
that team's gonna win ten games.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
As long as Jane Daniels ribs nut shadow the Giants
a fourth place team for the foreseeable future. Yeah, and
I do wonder you know this quarterback draft, you saw
yours in Carson back. So if you don't have the
number one pick, it's not really like you feel great about.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Some of these quarterbacks. Colin. I ask a lot of
Daniel Jones in this group.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I asked an executive, I don't want to give this away.
I asked an executive with Super Bowl experience about and
he's in the next few years in the quarterback market,
he said, this is the year to trade down. He

(51:00):
goes this, this is not a good quarterback market. He
agreed with me. He thinks Shador Sanders has an IT quality.
I think after watching.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I think he's gonna be the number one. I think
Chador is gonna be the number one than if the
draft was tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
I had a friend, a friend of mine, went and
watched the Arizona his son plays for Arizona. Went and
watched the Wildcats Colorado, and he was a quarterback. He
was a college quarterback. My friend and I asked him
what he thought and he said, you know, he goes.
I've heard what you've said about him. He said, I
think Shador he goes our. Arizona's played a lot of
quarterbacks and a lot of teams. He said, Shadoor is
easily the best quarterback.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
He said.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
He made a couple of tiny window throws moving He's like,
that's that's a first round quarterback, he said, And in
the Arizona's got a good quarterback. And he goes, you
can look at all these quarterbacks, but he goes, should
Sanders is a first round quarterback when you're watching live
and my buddy's he's a he was a college quarterback.
He knows his shit, you know, he knows football. He watches,

(51:54):
he goes to every Arizona game. He's like, yeah, this
guy's the first round pick. So but I was talking
to an executive this week and he said this is
the year to be bad and trade down. He goes,
he said, this is not a good group. He said.
The quarterbacks are at big programs, Georgia, Texas, Notre Dame.

(52:17):
He said, they're not first round quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah. So that's why. I don't know if there's breaking news,
but I think the Patriots are going to be in
good position if they just keep playing like they're playing,
and you just trade back and accumulate some picks and
try to build around Drake May because they're pretty terrible.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Okay, green Bay beats Houston twenty four to twenty two.
And here's why this game is important. I feel like
they play at each other. Green Bay is the Houston
of the of the NFC. Houston is the Green Bay
of the AFC. I think both are a year away.
I love their rosters, I love their young coaches, and

(52:55):
I love their quarterbacks. Jordan loves better than C. J. Stroud,
in my opinion, moves better. Jordan's got some real farv
He's gonna have bad picks, but god, he can really
let it rip. I really like washing him play. But
I feel like I watched the same team. Is that
they're close, right coach, right quarterback, right O line, nice weapons,

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not quite mature up. There's somebody in the way Detroit.
There's somebody in the way Kansas City. But there was
an interesting moment in this game where late Houston Demiko
Ryans settled for a field goal and they didn't force
Green Bay to burn timeouts. And I thought, well, Demiko's
a defensive coach. You just you got to bake that in.

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These guys aren't going to go for it. But as
I watched this game, I thought, these guys are not
good enough to hoist a trophy. But if you told
me over the next four years, because the quarterbacks, I think,
potentially with the right weapons are in that Jared golf
slightly above that class. Green Bay's now five and two,

(54:04):
Houston five and two. I felt like I'm watching two
great franchises. After this year, they'll both be in the
super Bowl bubble for about six straight years.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
I think Green Bay, if they get their shit together,
could be a super Bowl contender this year. And when
I say that, I just mean their quarterback not throw
awful interceptions. I mean he threw, he moves. He's like
a mirror image of Aaron the mannerisms, the way he moves,
the way his arm kind of hangs. But when the
ball leaves his hands, it's like two thousand and two
bred Forth. It could be the most incredible touchdown you've

(54:37):
see of the day, or it could be a pick
hitting the guy in stride. Where you go? Is this
guy gonna go seventy yards the other way? I mean
today he threw two picks, one got returned I think
to the eleven yard line. They had a muffed punt
that led to a fumble. Like that, I thought Green Bay.
I mean CJ's trout even throw for one hundred yards. No,
they were not very good on offense, and two of

(54:57):
their touchdowns definitely one of them came on the muff,
obviously mixing having him back Nico Collins. It turns out
as like they're Terrell Owens. You take him out of
their offense, they kind of fall apart. But Demko's so
good on offense or as a defensive coordinator, creates pressure
and just create some havoc. They got to settle this
guy down, that being Jordan Love in terms of even
Laflora made a comment after the game about like, you

(55:19):
guys keep pushing this far of narrative. Well, yeah, he
keeps throwing the ball to the other team, but he's
remarkable when he's throwing three or four touchdowns every game,
and in your offense. Their offense, it doesn't have the
name recognition of like Saint Brown, Montgomery, Gibbs Laporta, but
you watch them, you're like, that receiver's good. That receiver's good. Yeah,
news tight end's good. You're like, I've known Josh Jacobs

(55:40):
is good for a while. That their offensive weaponry, And
think about this Colin. They're not going to be intimidated
by Detroit. They're going to know each other really well.
It's kind of like a Niners rams from a couple
of years ago, so I I and honestly, I've always
said this, They're actually better off not winning the division
because the way they want to play on offense, go
into the dome, Okay, let's play a thirty five to
thirty game, because you can't play that at Green Bay

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in the middle of January. It was always the downfall
of Rogers teams. They have these great offenses and then
they play some of these home games. It's like no
one can feel their hands. So why the Chiefs are like, yeah,
we can play a negative twenty. Now we only need
eighteen points to win the game. Yeah. And now I
think their defense, this Halfleay guy that they got from
Boston College, it feels like he's kind of settling down.
They look a lot better, much to the team speeds better.

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He's blitzing at the right times. I mean, their defense
has been pretty atrocious over the going back to McCarthy
and then early on with you know, the Joe Barry
run with Lafour. I'm not saying it's gonna like completely
turn the corner, but I feel a little more comfortable
with it. I mean, today you hold c. J. Stroud,
he still has take Dell out there, Diggs is out
there mixing's back Shultz. I mean they got enough firepower

(56:44):
that he should be able to score for you know,
for over one hundred and fifty yards. And it was
a beautiful day. It wasn't like twenty degrees at Green Bay.
It looked like it was eighty degrees outside. Even the
announcers like, this doesn't get any better than this.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
No, it's so a Jordan Love twenty four to thirty three.
These two picks. Here's what I like about it. So,
first of all, Dobbs had eight catches, wicks three craft
the tight ends excellent eleven yards of catch. Jacob's out
of the backfield had five reads. Terrific player Christian Watson.

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I mean, I mean they And what's funny is none
of these guys make a nickel. I mean they're not
paying any of these guys for like four years.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yeah, to me, his interceptions on their back. There was
there was a play late in the game when they
ended up kicking the game winning field goal. I think
it was like less than thirty seconds left. He let
it rip like forty yards down the field. Now, he
overthrew the dB and the wide receiver, but it was
like what is going like, why are you making this
throw right? Which he's I'm not a Packer fan, but

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he keeps you on the edge of your seat when
you're watching them play. Remember that was he throw a
late pick in the Niner game, Yes, you know, to
end that game. That's the thing that makes me nervous.
It's not like golf can't do that right now, He's
not really throwing the ball in harms way. Well, where
Jordan Love is throwing the ball in harms way a lot. Well.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
I mean, to your point, the Texans on the road
average three point four yards of play terrible on third
down were.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Allowed they got they got a muff punt at the
ten yard line. That was a need he was a
free touchdown.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I mean, the Texans threw for fifty five yards today
and have a chance to win that game. So to
your point is Love is going to keep I mean
the Texas. If you look at the box score, Texans
should have been beat by three touchdowns and they lose
twenty four to twenty two. And that I think that's
a little bit of what Jordan Love gives you. It

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also Lafleur, to his credit, and I think an offensive
coach is more willing to do this than Demko Ryans.
He he lets him work his way through his mistakes,
Like Lafleur is like, I got an artist here. I
can't box him in. I gotta let him do some
of his stuff. You know, one of the throws that
Love likes to do and it feels like they're almost

(59:01):
all picked or all caught, is when he throws the
rainbow ball when he's backing up and he holds it
too long and he just throws a rainbow and I'm like,
he's gonna work himself out of that. Those won't last.
And because that, like he does that like four times
a game.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
I give Lafour so much credit because a big reason
they're five and two is they won the games with
Malik Willis when he was gone. And now you feel
like if they can just rain this guy in a
little bit, and they did last year sometimes and listen,
I'm guilty of this. This guy has not played much football, right.
I mean, you look at c. J. Stroud has been
playing for two years. Ohio State comes right to the
NFL like he's been starting every year for five straight

(59:37):
years going back to high school. You look at some
of these quarterbacks, the amount of snaps they've taken. Jordan
Love just sat there for three years, and there gets
to a point like obviously he needed to work on
his fundamentals and everything as a project, but there gets
a point where you're just not playing at all, and
then he gets thrust into it. We saw last year.
It took him a little while. Then he gets injured
this year, so maybe by the second half of the

(59:58):
season they can rain him in. I think They're offense
is like an unnamed I mean, the Packers fans know them,
but just you know, people that play fantasy, but they
don't have like superstar name recognition. Yet some of these
guys might turn into that by the end of the year.
They might just be the same as the Lions, just
in terms of their firepower. And it's not actually kind
of different because of his deep ball ability. I mean,
that guy at any moment can fling at fifty sixty yards.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Absolutely listen. I you think they're ready to win a
Super Bowl. I think they're a year away. I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I'm I'm saying they're ready. I just think if they
come in they do have the pieces that their defense
is good. He plays well, because if he's playing well,
they could beat any team. Do you agree with that? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Absolutely no. I mean I think they're they're the best
team that I don't think will win the Super Bowl
because I would. I think I would take them over Minnesota.
I don't know if I would listen right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
The thing is both those two teams have to play
on the road, probably right Minnesota Green Bay if they
don't win. If Detroit wins the division, you're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
To your point. Green Bay on the road. If they
get a domed environment, it's perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Yeah, it doesn't go to them at all, and they're
comfortable their divisional opponent.

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for details. Okay, so I want to talk Georgia Texas.
So Georgia beat Texas thirty to fifteen. Again, Georgia couldn't
do anything offensively and they beat Texas. So my big

(01:01:49):
takeaway on this was Carson Beck is no longer a
first round quarterback, Like it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Not is can't track you? Is he a second day quarterback?

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I wrote down here. So it was twenty three of
forty one. This is what Georgia talent. No touchdown three picks,
I wrote down top of third round. I mean when
I watched him, I'm like, he feels he feels like
a third round pick. Georgia actually was decent on third down,
but they only had fourteen first downs go to Austin

(01:02:22):
and double the Longhorns. But quinn Ewers, now Texas couldn't
run the ball at all, and they almost felt I
will say this, Georgia has been in so many of
these big games over the last six years. Georgia was
totally ready for the moment. Texas has been in about
three of these, two or three was sark. I don't
think they were ready. They were atrocious on third down.

(01:02:44):
They couldn't run the football a quinn Ewers, I thought,
I still think because of his arm, he'll get drafted
somewhere in the first round. Somebody will think they can
solve him. But I kind of I mean, Texas average
with the best offensive line in college football three point
four yards of play when I watched that game, and
by the way outside, I mean, Oregon had two bad

(01:03:07):
games and one Ohio State lost, but I didn't think
played poorly. Bamas had a stinker, George's had a stinker.
Texas has had a stinker. This is why I have
a twelve game playoff. This is I mean, I think
Ohio State to me is the most consistently good team,
whereas Oregon got Ohio State at home. You gotta be
careful label terrible against Boise State and terrible against Idaho.

(01:03:30):
I kind of look at this Texas game and I
think this is just one of those games that Georgia's
been in. I mean, it's just they've been in this
game six years, probably three games a year like this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
I thought it was a personality game. And I've been
I've been critical over when it comes to Sark over
the years, but I've slowly come around. He's clearly an
excellent play caller. I saw him live. He's brilliant at that.
It's clear how hard he recruits and how much passion
you puts inside this program. But at the end of
the day, he's a quarterback, right, That's who he is

(01:04:04):
at his core, And Kirby smart is Saban's mentee, and
he's a crazy ass defensive guy. Like at his core
he's a crazy defensive guy. I mean, we've seen it
on the sideline, but he's a former safety. He's a
tough guy. And usually quarterbacks like they're just not super
angry all the time, sarks, more intellectual, always more offense.

(01:04:25):
This was a game, and Kirby said it after the game,
like we didn't come here to take pictures and do
all the superstar bs. Well, what happened in that game.
It was all about the line of scrimmage where Texas
actually has, you know, supposedly a bunch of NFL guys.
They had seven sacks and it felt like they had
twenty five pressures and that can you imagine how on

(01:04:46):
edge Kirby was all week with just the defensive side
of the ball and the way you can't to me,
you can't manipulate that stuff. I've been in these buildings
like the head coaches personnel. It is what it is.
You either have the crazy listen, Andy, He's not like,
you know, coming with an iron fist on everybody, but
he does create toughness with the way he practices. So

(01:05:07):
the offensive guys historically, you know, Lincoln laying that they're
just not not doing Oklahoma drills like at the at
a moment's notice, the Saban types, the Kirby types will
just blow a whistle. Maybe not as much anymore, but
that personality of a practice, you can't fake that stuff.
And you could tell from the jump You're like, Georgia
is out for blood. This is a team. All they've

(01:05:29):
heard about is everyone put in Texas who's new to
the SEC and they they run it now, and Kirby
looks around and goes, that is not happening on my watch.
And they came. They destroyed them upfront. I mean that
Walker kid, I mean he had three sacks, he was
all over the backfield. But to have seven sacks and

(01:05:49):
even Arch came in, you could tell I was listen,
I had money on Georgia, but I then started feeling
I was rooting for Arch and right away I'm like, hey,
he looks a little overwhelmed. Yeah, because this is a
lot Quinn, youwrers just isn't good enough. Like to me,
Carson Back is a third day pick, and I don't
you know, part of a quarterback is the character and stuff.
I know nothing about that, but just as a player, yeah,
I just don't think he's that good. Same but Kirby

(01:06:11):
Smart would go, I've won national championships with third day
picks before you ever heard sets have been at and
went back to backs with that guy. Yeah, so I'm
the Sabans and him are comfortable playing with that. Or
if you look at Sark, what did they have invested
in their quarterback room between the two guys you wers
in Arch five million dollars? Yeah, you know, I mean
whatever they're paying Carson Back. Kirby's like, yeah, that's probably

(01:06:32):
too much because he wants to run the ball and
play defense.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Yeah. I did think though, because of the twelve team playoff,
it was the way to textar Sarks team's good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
I don't think Texas sucks by any means. Like, I
just think that was an overwhelming performance. George is probably
beating everybody in the country.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
And I think it's how Texas had to lose to
win a national championship. Because this Texas team is so
pretty and so talented quarterback and so big, they they
win the hotel lobby. I mean, you come out at midfield,
You're like, these guys don't look like a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
College live two weeks ago. They look remarkable at every position.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Yeah, and it's like, oh no, now, last year before
the twelve team playoff, you don't want to lose like
this in college football. I mean, that'll take you from
one to four and all of a sudden you get
to an overtime game against you know, some other team,
and it's but that's how the new college football john
with a twelve team playoff, if you want to win
a Natty, you need to get your butt handed to

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you once a year. And because these two teams, there's
a better than fifty percent chance they'll play again, and
the final four in the final right right. So it's
like to me, as I watched it, I thought, Okay,
if Texas outplayed them and lost, it would be hard
to go back and say, hey, guys, you got to
play a perfect game. Texas was Hugh milliated at home,

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and I mean, I'm writing down these numbers. They were
two for fifteen on third down, they had d nine
rushing yards. They got their butt hand to do them
at home. And my take was, in a weird way,
we've talked about March madness before. These Kansas teams. You know,
you'll play a really good team out of conference, and
it's like, no, it's okay to get your butt handed
in December, because in March you can put the tape

(01:08:16):
back into your team and say, remember this team that
knocked you out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
But the one thing in March madness, that's a good example.
What's his name? Bennett just retired in Virginia and he
had that historic loss in the first round, and obviously,
like any great coach, if you've got the tournament enough,
you're gonna have some awful losses because only one game
and anything can happen. Yeah. Well, my take is really
on both these two teams, and to me, if Georgia's
defense plays like that, they would be hard for anyone
to be because upfront they just smother you. But both quarterbacks,

(01:08:45):
if you're playing another good team, could lose to anybody
because yours when he's bad, feel he just felt awful,
Like it felt like unplayable. I mean everyone was thinking
it on their couch, Like Sark, you got to go
to the bullpen. It was that clear to him, which
could not have been an easy thing to do. Now,
granted it's it's a unique situation with Archie's not like
your typical high recruit because he goes right back to yours.

(01:09:07):
But he had no choice, Like he was playing a
losing football game. Carson Beck kind of was too. Yeah,
so in these big games against other good teams, like
you could lose it. Will Howard actually not watching that
game against Oregon, you know, we'll see how he could. Yeah,
I thought though too, But like what if he has
a bad game, Like all these teams, we'll see Dylan Gabriel,
who's probably you know, has the best statistics of all

(01:09:28):
these guys, but like you don't have the faith like
a Joe Burrow, right, or one of those level guys
that like, no matter what, he's going to make a
play at any moment in the in the final eight,
the final four, these guys could have a bad game
and it could cost their team. I'm not confident in
any of these teams, Like I think they're all going
to be there, it's pretty clear who's going to be
the last six to seven teams stand in right now,

(01:09:49):
right who the best teams are Oregon obviously, Georgia, Texas,
Ohio State like, and then a couple more we could
nitpick from like five or Tennis. Maybe their quarterbacks even Tennessee,
like their quarter back at any moment could throw the game,
like all these guys, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen.
That is not the version of guy Chador. I would
have the most confidence. But they blew that Kansas State game,

(01:10:10):
They're probably not going to get in. Their team wouldn't
be good enough, Like they'd have no chance to block
Tennessee or Georgia. But like, if you put Shador like
the way he's playing on one of these teams, I
would have a lot more confidence. I can't just with
a straight face pick Georgia to win the Natty. I
don't trust the quarterback Quinn yours Like, I don't think
he's that good. Yeah right, well, Howard, I will find
out as the season goes on. Aller made some great

(01:10:31):
plays against USC, but he's got to do it against
you know, He's got to do it more than one time.
He's only done it one time in his career. So
I think that's the biggest question mark, you know, with
all the top teams in college football, is like their quarterback,
do they get overwhelmed in a game? Throw three or four?
Both those quarterbacks could have thrown like five picks each.
I mean their balls were bouncing off the other color

(01:10:51):
jersey countless times. They looked overwhelmed. They really did, even
Carson Beck, who was just I had someone text me
that he's like, I don't remember a guy because there
was a lot of media hype that the NFL hype, Yes,
he he's a first round Remember a guy losing millions
this fast? I mean it's we're not even to Halloween
and everyone's like, oh, can't draft this guy high.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
So I want to talk USC even though they are
a losing team they're now three and four, because here's
what is remarkable, and I think it's worth six or
seven minutes with us, because you know, people know I
follow him. So Billy Edwards from Maryland is not a
great college quarterback. They were two for thirteen on third down,
they had fifty six yards rushing and Maryland beat USC.

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And USC has led every game most of them late
because they are so egregiously bad on the offensive line
and so young. They can't, like, they can't put together
like a twelve play drive to seal wins. They had
Penn State beat, they had Maryland beat, they had Minnesota.
They never felt like they were in control. But it's
But it's interesting about this is that I was talking

(01:11:59):
to somebody very close to USC and he said, listen,
he's got a Jimbo Fisher deal US. He's not writing
seventy million dollar checks and they're not getting rid of him.
But there's been this feeling since he's been there in
the administration that he has a lot more control over
USC than USC has over him. In fact, they're building
this big facility now three hundred million dollars because it's

(01:12:19):
in his contract, and if they don't build it, he
can leave. But it is interesting. I actually think they
have some really really good line talent. They're just all
red shirting and they're young. But what's happening with us,
he's fascinating. They're not recruiting California. If you go look
at the rivals take rivals for instance, or on three
these recruiting sites and you go to the top forty

(01:12:42):
players in Southern California. In this class, I've got like
three guys. It's like Bama, Oregon, Bama, Ohio State, Oregon,
A and M and M Louisville, Alabama. And there is
something about college football. It's very territory. John. You can lose,

(01:13:02):
but if you're not in Ohio State, you just have
to take a three star linebacker occasionally because he's an
Ohio kid. You just have to do it. You got
to take the tight end who's a three star. He's
from a big high school program. Locally, there may be
a three star Florida kid, but you're going to have
to do certain things. You know, Ohio is proud of Ohio.
LA is very transient, doesn't really care about that. But

(01:13:25):
I'm hearing it now from two and three different people,
Like he's just not connecting with LA coaches. And it's like,
can you imagine Kirby Smart doing most of his recruiting
in Texas? Like there is something about Lincoln. There's this
sense that he's aloof He's not necessarily relatable. He can
be off putting. He you know, he just it's not

(01:13:49):
just the losing. Once you start losing people put a
microscope on your program. Now you have losing. He's not
really going. He doesn't want boosters, right, Like that was
the undoing for Chip Kelly. You're not winning and you
don't take care of the donors and boosters. Do you
think today, if us he could just.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Go, we're starting over, would they Well? I think they
both want a divorce. Like to me, Lincoln Fields has
always felt, and I've said this to you from the beginning,
regions and where you're from matters in college football does
not matter in the pros, and in college football just
does because recruiting your region, especially when it's in southern California,

(01:14:31):
when a ton of good players come from matters, Well,
who could relate Pete Carroll? Why he's a California guy? Right?
I mean, you look at the best coaches over the
last I don't know, several decades on the West Coast,
Jeff Tedford, where's he from California? Chris Peterson, where'd he coach?
Boise State, Washington? Where'd he grow up? California? Went to
UC Davis. Mike Polatti? Where is he from? West Coast?

(01:14:54):
Chip Kelly? There are outliers Urban went to the South
Chip Kelly, who's the northeast came to Oregon. But I
I think for Kirby Smart, like why does he work
in the SEC? I wonder you know Nick sab in
West Virginia. To me, pretty similar, there's a lot of success.
You see it right now with Debor. He's gonna get
a lot of heat. He's not one of theirs. And
I think the USC thing Coln they're one and four

(01:15:16):
in the Big Ten. It's to me the Penn State thing.
That's an awful tough loss to take, but it's still
Penn State. They're really good. When you start losing the
Minnesota in Maryland, especially the way the stat I was
gonna read it to you, they've, like you said, they've
held a lead in all in every game they've played
this year, and over the last twenty years, two hundred

(01:15:36):
teams have had a fourth quarter lead in all of
their first seven games. Only one other team during that
span has had a losing record. So they're like a
statistical anomaly. To lose all these games. Yesterday was insane.
I mean they're up twenty eight to fourteen in the
fourth quarter. I mean, how does that it just And
this gets back to like Sark has way better talent.

(01:15:57):
But you can't fake being a tough guy when you're not.
Like Dan Campbell's a tough guy. The Hardball Brothers are
tough guys. Tomlin's a tough guy. Vrabel's a tough guy.
Belichick could manipulate it like through mind games and the
type guys he surrounded himself with. I'm not saying he's
gonna win a fistfight, but you'd also say Belichick's pretty
mentally tough, right, I mean, he's not easy to break.

(01:16:18):
And I just think I look at Lincoln and I go,
I just don't see a tough guy. And they've gotten
into these spots, especially on the road. These are not
You're not going to Oregon State, right or Arizona State
where it's an easy flight. These are long as how
long is the flight to Maryland. It's a five hour flight? Yeah, right,
You going to Minnesota that's probably four and a half hours.
These are tough travels and they just mentally crumble. And

(01:16:39):
I never thought one. I thought he was a really
good coach, so I understood why they wanted him. LSU
wanted him to the gave one hundred and twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
I still think he's a very clever schemer and play designer.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
But it's just like they need a defensive coordinator. And
it's not like he has this long list of guys
because the Leech guys think of his the tree that
he comes from, it's kind of a it's not a
tree that produces many like tough, physical football teams. That's
not like his ethos as a football guy, right the
Mike Leach the way he wants to play, He'd ideally

(01:17:10):
like to win forty five to thirty eight. That's I mean,
that's how he had a lot of success in Oklahoma
with the Baker teams. They were scoring a ton of points.
But Colin, they're their schedule is not crazy hard. But
you go like seven and five, seven and five, this is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Year three they have him and they have two playable
offensive tackles in the program.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Him and Brian Kelly got hired the same year, right
year three, and we talked about this when they got
in a little scuffle about him wanting to cancel the game.
He ended up beating them. But what has transpired since
you watch Brian Kelly's team, Like, are is LSU going
to the playoffs? Probably? I mean they might look check
their schedule and they're getting better and better, and he's
playing they're both playing nuss Meyer and Miller Moss. It's

(01:17:54):
not like he's got Jayden Daniels and Kayleb Williams anymore.
And I don't know, man, I think you go back.
Let's just look at those two guys. Brian Kelly has
a long resume. You could put him anywhere and he'll
figure it out. Lincoln did inherit Oklahoma, which at the
time was humming. I mean they were a lot like
Chip Kelly in Oregon. It wasn't top two every year,
but they were top eighteen, fifteen every year. You just

(01:18:17):
had to take that next step. That's an easier thing
to do than just, hey, here's a shit sandwich, Nick Saban,
what Brian Kelly get me? Just eleven wins every year?
That's really difficult and normally what Urban can do, there's
a short list of guys that can do that. Even
though if Lincoln's a really good coach, I just think
he fits more. I don't know, like some big twelve team.

(01:18:40):
I just think that's the way he wants to play.
Fig ten has been very, very difficult on him and
it's way harder travel like, they're like traveling like NFL teams. Yes,
conference play, you're flying four hours, five hours. That never
happened in the history of these programs.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Also, he's getting it's late October, he's getting weather breaks.
Minnesota was war, little windy Maryland weather was good. There's
gonna be years where it's snow like when you go
to the They have one playable running back like in
a big spot, a guy you would trust with the ball.
They have two playable offensive tackles. We're three years in.
They're nil is thirteen million a year. Now it's not

(01:19:18):
Oregon or Georgia or Texas, but it's in the Ohio
State room. It's about thirteen. I was telling somebody this weekend,
who's really close. I said, there's three or four positions
you buy in the nil quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher.
You'll find receivers. I mean, they have an okay quarterback,

(01:19:40):
left tackle, they're playing a freshman. They don't have an
elite edge rusher. It's like Lincoln, don't buy corners. You
know this is La. People run. You can get backs, corners, receiver,
you can get those guys. You don't pay tight ends
in the transfer portal. You don't pay guards and the
transfer portal, you know they have an offensive and a
d defence at Lineman from Wyoming and both start. It's like,

(01:20:03):
what are we doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
I know times are a lot different than you know,
the HEYDAFP. Carroll, But when I close my eyes and
I think of those rosters, and when I got to
college and they started really taking off the base of
the squad. And this is what you opened up saying
was all Southern California, LA and San Diego, they're best players.
And then because he was such a great recruiter, he'd
go get a Joe McKnight from Louisiana, this guy from

(01:20:28):
New Jersey. He'd nitpick, and I get the recruiting world's changed.
But to me, how do they build momentum in recruiting
if he's not mister pizzazz like, so that's not his thing.
Their team's not as good Oregon, Ohio State, I mean,
Alabama in Oklahoma, these other programs for years have been
coming into Southern California, as USC has kind of, you know,

(01:20:48):
been in the middle ground. Not you see the numbers
that Clay Helton through his first thirty four games and
Lincoln Riley he has a better record. I just think
this thing is headed towards one now. There's so much
money in the line. I don't know why if Lincoln
like why you just give a divorce. But he's got
to be kind of miserable. This can't be a natural
fit living on the beach, like he does not feel

(01:21:10):
like that guy he did. I think Lane would have
no problem doing it again, like it's yeah, this is
not it does not feel when you look at Lincoln Riley,
the comfortability in the colors and the clothes, and it's
obviously not working because one in four in the Big Ten.
It's one thing if you had lost to Ohio State,
Penn State. I mean they are losing to awful teams

(01:21:32):
like Maryland just should never have won that game.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Ever, Dormy don't have just how many players.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
You do you? I mean, do you think that there's
a divorce and in here or no?

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
I think I think they have he'll I think Jen
Cohen the ad is gonna She's gonna stay with him,
but it gives her a lot of I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Saying they fire him, but I'm saying, do you think
Lincoln's happy, Like, do you think this is just like
this is this isn't working? So is this one of
these things that does he want to do this?

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Yeah? I think they're losing close and the team is
so young offensively, I think he can rationalize the losses
and say we bring everybody back except a running back
and a center, and I do think they'll be better
next year. I just think I can assure you Jen
Cone and the administration of the Boosters they didn't think

(01:22:21):
they were winning a Natty, but they this has been.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Didn't think they were going seven and five either.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Five and seven. Just keep your fingers crossed. John Middelkoff,
former NFL Scout three and outs his podcast Good See Anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
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