In this week's edition of the BEST OF Daniel Cormier, we look at back at interviews with Merab Dvalishvili and Kayla Harrison ahead of defending and winning UFC championships at UFC 316 in Newark, New Jersey! Dvalishvili speaks on how he was ready to finish Sean O'Malley, his hilarious viral videos including his moment with Aline Perez, and why he punched one of DC's gym friends. And don't miss Kayla Harrison's awesome interview with Cormier where they talk Khabib Nurmagomedov, the fight with Amanda Nunes soon to come, and why Julianna Peña is just like her own chihuahua. #Volume #Herd
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The HM.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Another championship fight, you and Sean O. Malley for the
second time. After you bet, Umar, did you know it
will be Sean oh Malley?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
After a bit, Dumar, I wanted to be busy, and
uh yeah, Malley was another option, maybe after Peterian and
uh yeah, I was thinking maybe either Peterian or either
Smali and you see tell me to it's Seanmali. Peteriano
was supposed to fight somebody else and uh yeah, I'm
(00:39):
I'm happy. I'm happy I have another another fight coming up,
even I already faught him. It's it's a new fight,
new challenge for me. And uh you know he of
course he wants to avenge his loss back and he
will pix his mistake. He's been working to get better
every level, even striking, wrestling, grappling, and it's gonna be
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another challenge for us.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Hey, I had a kid going to your gym and
you knocked him down.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Bro, Why you punched the guy's stomach? I watched the video.
One of my guys, one of my.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Wrestling guys, goes into your gym nice enough to give
you rounds, and you, why do you do this?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Why did you do this to an.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
It was just.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Fining but killing me.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Uh no, like my bodysh gets better and I was testing, so.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
You tested on him?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I saw the video man.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah so yeah, so maybe like you need an answer
to me now.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
No, No, let's talk about your.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Last fight a little bit before we go forward. First
two rounds of Umar is fighting great, right, he's fighting
really good. Seems like he won the first two rounds.
Are you aware that it's not going as well as
you wanted? And was the thought because in that third
round you kind of you changed completely, right, You're most
accessful takedowns. The pressure was even higher, Like what did
(02:08):
you make of that performance?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
For me?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Even first round was close rounds Yeah, I don't know
which way he was gonna go, but I was positive
and like we we know, you know, like my coaches
now told me to like after the first rounds, we'll
be just keep doing your thing. It we'll be easy.
And I was just keep doing my thing. And then
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he literally slowly, you know, he was slowly, little bit
breaking and he was himself and I was even as
rounds goes more on, I'm getting better and better, yes,
And then I think I show show everybody this time,
And yeah, I you know, I think one time I
got him good body punched too, But I see his
(02:57):
face change and then I was gonna go after but
he shoot me. And he still even he was tired,
he was still moving and doing Okay.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
How much can you apply from how much can you
take from that fight and apply to this fight?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Right?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Because you have a more motivated Seaana Malley, but Umar
is a high level striker. Shanna Malice is high level striker.
Chanla Malley doesn't have the wrestling that Umar has. How
much can you take from that fight and apply to
this one to make sure that you not only beat
Charla Mallley, but you beat him in a more impressive way.
I thought you won five or four rounds in the
(03:35):
first fight.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
How do you do it better?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'm not sure what I can take from the Umar's
flight to this fight, but yeah, just I get more
and more comfortable, like just more confidence too. I can
fight any any any style of the fight there again,
and then nobody can do ship. Yeah, and so but
(04:04):
modified it's a new challenge. Like I said, you know,
he I'm sure he's been he's been working to stop me,
and I believe I'm a better fighter than him, but
I still have to respect his power. He's reach his speed.
And it's a new fight, new challenge. You know, not
(04:25):
every fight goes same way. You know you had the
rematches before. It's a many many, Yeah, and they can
play out despite different, despite different, And that's why I'm
trying to take despite serious. And it's a new challenge
for me. It's a new fight and I'm looking.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Forward to I think fifteen times in the UFC, seven
more against three people.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I want the same guys over and over and over again. Yeah,
fucked up and every time it's it's different.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Yeah, it was like but it was always the same guys,
like rematch, rematch, trilogy match, like always the same.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Ma's worries though.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
If you're a fan of Morob D Wallace, really I
saw a quote the other day that you said, the
motivation is not as easily gained to fight O'Malley again.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Why is that?
Speaker 5 (05:12):
And how do you make sure that you're motivated to
fight a guy that is motivated to fight you.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, so like when I fight first time new opponent,
it's easy to be motivated because you have a new challenge.
You never fought him, and in your eyes, you respect
him so much and you EA's a new challenge and
you you more white look his dangerous skills. But when
you already beat him, it's it's it's not easy to
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like treat him as a dangerous.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
But see that's dangerous in that thought though, no morale,
that's not dangerous thought, Like I know I can beat him, but.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
You just said it's a new challenge.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So if you're not motivated to go fight a guy
that you you know what I'm saying, like it's dangerous.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So I'm like, I'm putting extra extra motivate myself to
know this guy is dangerous, this guy hits hard, and
this guy will change stuff. And then that's why I
motivate myself all this time. And uh yeah, so like, yeah,
I guess at the beginning it was hard to motivate myself.
You know, I already beat him because but I have
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enough enough motivation to be motivated the pocus and I
realized all the danger danger And now I don't train
to keep everything what I was supposed to do. You know,
I prepare very good and uh you know, then this
fight I'm gonna look for finish him and I'm looking
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for to give him more damage.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
But Rob, were you surprised at anything in the first
fight with johanal Valley, because, like you said, you make
him into a monster, like.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
This guy hits hard, he's fast.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
There's gonna be rich, and then you beat him in
the way that you did. Like, were you surprised at
anything in there?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I was surprised, yes, like how easy I was winning
this fight? And I was surprised how this guy beat
my friend al jam my standing. And I also I
also watched the fight, and I can hear your comment
they too, like you was also surprised too, like how
easy was I was?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
You were taking him easier than I thought. Yes, but
he said but he was said he was hurt in
that fight.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Is it's bullshit?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
But he had surgery after that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
No, listen, I did two times after after the fight surgery,
But I still win the fight, you know. But you know,
we all have some problems in fight or some old
injury something like that. But if really something serious, we
never we're not We're not fight.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
But if something if you're especially at the champion.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah exactly, yeah, you know, if it's if you were
able to training if you're able to fight, and then
it doesn't mean they it's serious. But if it's serious
to do surgery and then if something too, you can
do surgery later pay and you know. So no, that's
why I was surprised. But like what I say earlier,
(08:05):
so you know, he has a knackle power and he
can he can everybody can get knocked.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Down the fifth round not I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Gonna say crack me, but he let me feel his
uh like the first time I felt his party kick
and then and then if he landed me like two
more clean like this, then maybe he can be problem.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That's why I like when he got maybe a party kick,
I'm like, fuck like I I was just two minutes
every I was holding him down, but because of the
the referee told me move do something, I let him
get up. I should I should not let him go.
I mean, how do you know, I know how you
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get lesson referee.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Because the worst you can do is pick you up.
You don't let him go, thank you. So that's.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Didn't tell me this before.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
So what happened?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
See I take him down in the future round, I
was punching. Andy told me fighters move do something and
I changed the position. I let him come a little
bit up and I was punching and he tell me
something and I was like, oh, what should I do?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
You let him go? Why? Like you let him go?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, you helped me to take him down, right, yeah,
exactly so. And after I was chasing to take him
down and he was defending you like he was pulling
up legs and it was hard to take him down.
I futre round after like after let me go and
h and then and then the bar kick comes and
(09:44):
then I'm like, I should try to finish him earlier,
Like why, oh I play with him? I was mad
about myself and uh yeah, that's how played and so yeah,
I said, he let me folcked the bary kick and
after I was so, it's just I was like, read
about myself. We should I should finish rob.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Two questions before we're done. One is about Seana Male.
He's made some changes, right. One of the biggest things
that I took. I went to your house after that
fight and you were running on Monday, and that to
me was like, Wow, this guy thinks different. Most of
us go on a victory tour. We rest, we drink
the alcohol. You know we hang out, you were running
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getting ready. He said that because he knows now he's
preparing for a different person.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Now he doesn't smoke, he.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Doesn't travel, He's eliminated so many things in his life.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
How much can he change?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
And how much do you expect him to be different
inside the octagon?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Right?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Because now he's eliminated a lot of the things that
can be seen as distractions, right, partying and going out
doing all this stuff. Now he's not doing at because
of you, because he knows he has to be better
to beat you.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yes, this old stuff will help him for sure, And.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
But does it make much of a difference when it's
a change opposed to it being just your life? It's
what you live every day you've never straight from.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, you know you have to balance
your life in a little bit. Cannot be like I
don't know, let's see. I mean, I mean if he
enjoys now this different lifestyle, and maybe that shows how
much he wants to just win and maybe it was distraction,
who knows. I'm sure it's gonna affect him like good
(11:40):
ways and it's gonna help like focus and be mentally
more ready. I think, Uh, and uh and uh list
I think even if he lost again, he will tell
him himself, Hey, I tried my best, you know, I
think that's how I look. And but my job is
(12:00):
to expect him best ways. You know.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Yeah, you spent twenty five minutes with this man. Can
this man present a problem for you? Inside in OCTAGONA?
Do you feel like you just can beat.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Sean the Mauley.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I think I can beat him, but now I give
him too much respect, like I'm fighting first time, and
that's my job to don't look him easy. And but yeah,
of course he has a knuckle of power. He's very smart,
he's speed. I cannot relax or make any mistake with him.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
You know, because you've been living life, having fun, became
the champ travel, you've had some great moments.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
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Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yes for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
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Speaker 2 (13:01):
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Speaker 3 (13:06):
I see you know you know it's it's I don't know,
so yeah, shell yeah talk And yes, I said, I
guess I left head as.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
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Speaker 2 (13:24):
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If you're not married, come.
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Speaker 1 (14:52):
Now he knows, he knows he's a toolbox. He's very aware.
We have a bet going right now.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Actually, Henry, Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
We bet years ago before I ever signed with UFC.
We bet and Kabib was there. Habib was there. A
bunch of guys were there and where he was talking
about judo versus wrestling and talking about how he's the
greatest combat athlete of all time. And I said, listen,
I can't believe you've never seen this clip because Habib
says something so funny. Okay, someone find that clip. So
(15:26):
I was like, all right, listen, I'll bet you one
hundred anytime push ups that when I I'm two time
Olympic champion, I'm going to win the PFL belt twice.
I'm going to come over to the UFC. I'm going
to win the UFC belt. I'm going to defend the
belt and then I'm going to be the greatest combat
athlete of all time. I was like when I did,
and he didn't want to take the bet, didn't want
to take that so far. I was like, all right,
I bet you a thousand any time push ups, a
(15:47):
thousand push ups from me, and you only have to
give me a hundred push ups. And then finally he
took the belt and then he said all right, all right,
I'll take your bet. But and then he turned to
Habib and he was like, who's the greatest combat athlete
of all time? Time right now? I don't believe you
haven't seen this, And Habib goes Daniel Cormier. It was.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Who's the biggest comeback at of all time?
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
The gooddest combat at of all time?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Right now? Daniel. Now you know if you don't know,
now you know Ali wants you bad man, Like I mean,
it's like you guys are married.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
A stage five clinger right now? Oh yeah, well you know, yeah,
I'm about to be the champ.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
So he starts clinging.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I got like new Gucci shoes, I got all kinds
of stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
That is the best it's good guys.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I'm here with Kayla Harrison for the Championship this weekendam.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
All that we're talking about right while we're talking about it?
And it's funny.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, it's all true, right, it's all true.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
You have won two Olympic gold medals. You have won
the PFL Championship. Ye, you've won everywhere you've been. You're
now you're in the UFC and you're already on the
verge of a title.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
How does it feel getting to a moment that you
not only predicted but so many expected.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Now that is where it gets difficult.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Mmm. I mean I think that having all of this
experience that I have, having years of competing on the
biggest stages in the world, has prepared me and sort
of helps me to learn that that's all noise and
like none of that matters, you know, Like I I
do this because I love it. I do it because
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I want to. I do it because it's my dream.
The outside pressure is, you know. I mean, no one
had ever won an Olympic gold medal before, so like
being in the finals of an Olympic match and n
knowing that no one ever someone had won silver, someone
had one bronze, but nobody had ever won gold. Like
that's that's a different kind of pressure.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Oh my god, yeah, kill it. We have all kind
of almost anointed you as the champ the moment you
got here, right, everybody started talking about it. You have
to win some fights to finally get this opportunity. Juliana
Pana gets the belt back in that fight against Raquel
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Pennington's Did you think that she won that fight or did.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You think I didn't?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I didn't give the fight to her. After going back
and watching it, I thought that Raquel won the fight.
But you know, I'm not a judge, so so.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
And I asked you this, you're in the back, Jill
and I have had a field day with this.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
You're in the back.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Jail is not my biggest fan, by the way, talking
a lot of shit about you.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
He loves you, does he? He constantly puts you over?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Does he? Yes? Are you sure? When I see him
we're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It's one of the crazy like he just does it
every time.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
He puts you over constantly. But what we had a
field day with is you're in the back.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
They show me right, it's a layup.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, she no sells you and call that man, she
doesn't call.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
For What did you make of that?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I mean, I don't. I mean I I attest that
to insecurity, Like I'm the unknown, right, I'm like this big,
scary unknown. She's fought Amanda before twice.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
She knows went very bad.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It did go very bad. But I don't I think
that she still knows what she can. She's like, I've
beaten her. I can do it, you know, so, or
it could have just been like that was what she
had in her mind to say, So that's what she said,
even though I feel like the fight to make was
her and I and here we are.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
And yes, and it's made.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And the reason there's so much hype behind it is
because of who you are and who she is and
fighting there was an opportunity to make it bigger in
that moment.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, because you could have stormed to the case. You
could have did I kind.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Of was like, yeah, I kind of wanted to. First
of all, I didn't know where I was in the arena.
It was it's a little bit of a maze back there,
but yeah, it would have been that.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Would have been the greatest visual. She goes kill Harrison.
You just fought. I just became a world champion.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Get you as you come trying to.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Warrior h.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
It would have been the craziest.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Everybody already thinks I'm brock lessner. Now you're gonna have
me to doing some shit like this cracusiest thing ever.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
It would have popped so loud and it would have
been amazing. But yeah, the fight still has that hype.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
The other day we ran a feature of YouTube face
to face. You're talking, Juliana almost wants to give you
the pressure.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
No, the pressures on Kaila.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
No.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
She did say that. She's like, I've gotten nothing to lose,
and I'm like, well on your title. I mean, I
just don't really understand Juliana. She throws a lot of
ship out there, like it's a lot of spaghetti at
the wall and a lot of like you know, everywhere,
from like she's on steroids to she's away bully she
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needs a walking taco to all the pressures on her,
what's she gonna do? How is she gonna you know,
she gonna lay on me? And I'm like, I just
it kind of screams in security to me, like I
have three dogs and you know I have a big mastiff,
I have a medium husky, and then I have this
little chihuahua. And the chihuahua sounds vicious. You know. He's
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playing with the other dogs, and he's the most harmless
of them all. He's just a little yapper, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So you think all the talking is yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Put the give off the idea of strength, knowing that
underneath it's a.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Little bit uncertain for sure.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, But at the end of the day, she's the
world champion two times she is right, she is. So
when you are breaking her down looking at her skill
for skill, what do you see in Juliana Payton.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Honest ansa quiale.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I see heart, I see heart, I see fire. You know,
I think that's that Her best attribute as an athlete
is she's a fighter. Like she is a fighter, She's
not going to give up. She's not going to quit.
It's not the prettiest, but she's gonna keep coming forward
and she's gonna she's gonna try and find a way.
You know. But I think that I'm better everywhere. I
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think that I'm the bigger, faster, stronger fighter. I think
that now I have quite a bit of experience under
my belt. I think that I'm a better striker, I
think that I'm a better grappler, and I'm prepared to
you know, she is a fighter, but I'm a fighter too.
I've been fighting my whole damn life, you know, like
forget forget inside of a cage or on a matt
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I've been fighting my whole life. So if she thinks
that like she's some David and I'm Goliath, she's got
it wrong.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Did how much did you learn in that last fight
or to take down so much as you may have
antssipated against k Caitlyn.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, No, I think it was really good for me.
I was disappointed, you know, in my performance, just because
I'm initially I was disappointed because I'm a perfectionist and
I want to go out there and dominate and still
my will. But I think it was good to see
kind of how girls at this level are going to
try and combat the grappling.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
It felt like it felt like it felt like she
was doing a good job of defending earlier. I think
even in the commentary I was talking about it, like
when you would level change, you're having difficulties getting up
to her body, right like that because in judo, right,
you guys use a lot of trips and throws from
up top. I think she was doing a better job
of defending at the body, right, And.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I mean I think she was really defensive. You know.
It's like it's hard to you know, you know how
it is like they want to do is when they're
just not trying, when they're not trying to win, they're
just trying not to lose. It's hard to get in
there and make shit happen. So but it was a
really good learning experience for me. And that's those are
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the moments where it's like, all right, then let your hand,
hands go, Like, let your hands go, and guess what
what happens when you let your hands go. Their hands
go here.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Well, if you could take a numb and you controlled
that first round very very easy.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Was later when she got more slippery.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, but she seems a big, strong girl too. Everybody
be talking how big she kills so big.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
But it was big she just had.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I'm like, there's a reason for that, dude, she's big.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Juliana's actually gonna fight, though, Do you think that it's
going to give you more openings to take her to
the Meptain.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
How do you see this fight ending on Saturday night?
Can you finish Juliana Pain?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I'd like to, you know, I'm prepared for twenty five
hard minutes, but the goal is always to go out
there in kotko or submission. If I have my perfect world,
I would love to. I think, just you know, put
some elbows through her head, through her forehead and end
on a TKO.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I remember the.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
First time you learned that you can elbow and PFL,
how excited you were.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I was like, oh, this lady's You're like, oh my god,
I can elbow.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
N It's such a huge weapon in the sport.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
And then you remember how bad you bloodied out the
girl right after. Yeah, that shit was nasty.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Now that's when I was like, oh, I've I've fought
half my career without a very important weapon like this
is Yeah. I love it all.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Right, last one before I let you go, obviously, I
have to ask this question here we go.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I know it's Amanda Dunat's question.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, so yes, I want to fight her. Yes,
I hope she comes back. Now I'm not overlooking Juliana.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Okay, you don't get better at something by not doing
it right. You don't get better at something by not
doing it. Yeah, how does Amanda expect to be who
she was being off for two years?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Obviously we don't know the extent to which she was training.
I heard that her gym closed.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
I heard that they closed that gym, so I don't
know what she would be doing for training. But again,
you don't get better, yeah, at something by not doing it.
What if Amanda does come back like what Amanda downs,
would you guys expect.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And would you want that in the next fight after
Juliana Painton?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, for sure. I think that this has been my
dream for a long time. Is like the UFC Champion
fight Amanda, and it was never anything negative, Like it's
just that she's the greatest of all time, and to me,
that's the highest honor I can give you. I'm like, look, dude,
like you are You're it, Ye're her. I want to
be you. That's why I moved to Florida to train
(26:03):
with you. You know, like, if you want to be
the best, you have to train with the best. And
I think that, you know, it doesn't really matter. I
think that now is my time. I think that I am.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
She could be the man that had destroyed Hollyholm. And
it won't matter if you're ready.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I think now's my time. When you're the best in
the world, you're the best in the world, and it
doesn't matter.
The HM.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Another championship fight, you and Sean O. Malley for the
second time. After you bet, Umar, did you know it
will be Sean oh Malley?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
After a bit, Dumar, I wanted to be busy, and
uh yeah, Malley was another option, maybe after Peterian and
uh yeah, I was thinking maybe either Peterian or either
Smali and you see tell me to it's Seanmali. Peteriano
was supposed to fight somebody else and uh yeah, I'm
(00:39):
I'm happy. I'm happy I have another another fight coming up,
even I already faught him. It's it's a new fight,
new challenge for me. And uh you know he of
course he wants to avenge his loss back and he
will pix his mistake. He's been working to get better
every level, even striking, wrestling, grappling, and it's gonna be
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another challenge for us.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Hey, I had a kid going to your gym and
you knocked him down.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Bro, Why you punched the guy's stomach? I watched the video.
One of my guys, one of my.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Wrestling guys, goes into your gym nice enough to give
you rounds, and you, why do you do this?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Why did you do this to an.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
It was just.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Fining but killing me.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Uh no, like my bodysh gets better and I was testing, so.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
You tested on him?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I saw the video man.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah so yeah, so maybe like you need an answer
to me now.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
No, No, let's talk about your.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Last fight a little bit before we go forward. First
two rounds of Umar is fighting great, right, he's fighting
really good. Seems like he won the first two rounds.
Are you aware that it's not going as well as
you wanted? And was the thought because in that third
round you kind of you changed completely, right, You're most
accessful takedowns. The pressure was even higher, Like what did
(02:08):
you make of that performance?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
For me?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Even first round was close rounds Yeah, I don't know
which way he was gonna go, but I was positive
and like we we know, you know, like my coaches
now told me to like after the first rounds, we'll
be just keep doing your thing. It we'll be easy.
And I was just keep doing my thing. And then
(02:33):
he literally slowly, you know, he was slowly, little bit
breaking and he was himself and I was even as
rounds goes more on, I'm getting better and better, yes,
And then I think I show show everybody this time,
And yeah, I you know, I think one time I
got him good body punched too, But I see his
(02:57):
face change and then I was gonna go after but
he shoot me. And he still even he was tired,
he was still moving and doing Okay.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
How much can you apply from how much can you
take from that fight and apply to this fight?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Right?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Because you have a more motivated Seaana Malley, but Umar
is a high level striker. Shanna Malice is high level striker.
Chanla Malley doesn't have the wrestling that Umar has. How
much can you take from that fight and apply to
this one to make sure that you not only beat
Charla Mallley, but you beat him in a more impressive way.
I thought you won five or four rounds in the
(03:35):
first fight.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
How do you do it better?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'm not sure what I can take from the Umar's
flight to this fight, but yeah, just I get more
and more comfortable, like just more confidence too. I can
fight any any any style of the fight there again,
and then nobody can do ship. Yeah, and so but
(04:04):
modified it's a new challenge. Like I said, you know,
he I'm sure he's been he's been working to stop me,
and I believe I'm a better fighter than him, but
I still have to respect his power. He's reach his speed.
And it's a new fight, new challenge. You know, not
(04:25):
every fight goes same way. You know you had the
rematches before. It's a many many, Yeah, and they can
play out despite different, despite different, And that's why I'm
trying to take despite serious. And it's a new challenge
for me. It's a new fight and I'm looking.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Forward to I think fifteen times in the UFC, seven
more against three people.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I want the same guys over and over and over again. Yeah,
fucked up and every time it's it's different.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Yeah, it was like but it was always the same guys,
like rematch, rematch, trilogy match, like always the same.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Ma's worries though.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
If you're a fan of Morob D Wallace, really I
saw a quote the other day that you said, the
motivation is not as easily gained to fight O'Malley again.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Why is that?
Speaker 5 (05:12):
And how do you make sure that you're motivated to
fight a guy that is motivated to fight you.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, so like when I fight first time new opponent,
it's easy to be motivated because you have a new challenge.
You never fought him, and in your eyes, you respect
him so much and you EA's a new challenge and
you you more white look his dangerous skills. But when
you already beat him, it's it's it's not easy to
(05:44):
like treat him as a dangerous.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
But see that's dangerous in that thought though, no morale,
that's not dangerous thought, Like I know I can beat him, but.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
You just said it's a new challenge.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So if you're not motivated to go fight a guy
that you you know what I'm saying, like it's dangerous.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So I'm like, I'm putting extra extra motivate myself to
know this guy is dangerous, this guy hits hard, and
this guy will change stuff. And then that's why I
motivate myself all this time. And uh yeah, so like, yeah,
I guess at the beginning it was hard to motivate myself.
You know, I already beat him because but I have
(06:20):
enough enough motivation to be motivated the pocus and I
realized all the danger danger And now I don't train
to keep everything what I was supposed to do. You know,
I prepare very good and uh you know, then this
fight I'm gonna look for finish him and I'm looking
(06:42):
for to give him more damage.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
But Rob, were you surprised at anything in the first
fight with johanal Valley, because, like you said, you make
him into a monster, like.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
This guy hits hard, he's fast.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
There's gonna be rich, and then you beat him in
the way that you did. Like, were you surprised at
anything in there?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I was surprised, yes, like how easy I was winning
this fight? And I was surprised how this guy beat
my friend al jam my standing. And I also I
also watched the fight, and I can hear your comment
they too, like you was also surprised too, like how
easy was I was?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
You were taking him easier than I thought. Yes, but
he said but he was said he was hurt in
that fight.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Is it's bullshit?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
But he had surgery after that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
No, listen, I did two times after after the fight surgery,
But I still win the fight, you know. But you know,
we all have some problems in fight or some old
injury something like that. But if really something serious, we
never we're not We're not fight.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
But if something if you're especially at the champion.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah exactly, yeah, you know, if it's if you were
able to training if you're able to fight, and then
it doesn't mean they it's serious. But if it's serious
to do surgery and then if something too, you can
do surgery later pay and you know. So no, that's
why I was surprised. But like what I say earlier,
(08:05):
so you know, he has a knackle power and he
can he can everybody can get knocked.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Down the fifth round not I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Gonna say crack me, but he let me feel his
uh like the first time I felt his party kick
and then and then if he landed me like two
more clean like this, then maybe he can be problem.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That's why I like when he got maybe a party kick,
I'm like, fuck like I I was just two minutes
every I was holding him down, but because of the
the referee told me move do something, I let him
get up. I should I should not let him go.
I mean, how do you know, I know how you
(08:50):
get lesson referee.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Because the worst you can do is pick you up.
You don't let him go, thank you. So that's.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Didn't tell me this before.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
So what happened?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
See I take him down in the future round, I
was punching. Andy told me fighters move do something and
I changed the position. I let him come a little
bit up and I was punching and he tell me
something and I was like, oh, what should I do?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
You let him go? Why? Like you let him go?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, you helped me to take him down, right, yeah,
exactly so. And after I was chasing to take him
down and he was defending you like he was pulling
up legs and it was hard to take him down.
I futre round after like after let me go and
h and then and then the bar kick comes and
(09:44):
then I'm like, I should try to finish him earlier,
Like why, oh I play with him? I was mad
about myself and uh yeah, that's how played and so yeah,
I said, he let me folcked the bary kick and
after I was so, it's just I was like, read
about myself. We should I should finish rob.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Two questions before we're done. One is about Seana Male.
He's made some changes, right. One of the biggest things
that I took. I went to your house after that
fight and you were running on Monday, and that to
me was like, Wow, this guy thinks different. Most of
us go on a victory tour. We rest, we drink
the alcohol. You know we hang out, you were running
(10:30):
getting ready. He said that because he knows now he's
preparing for a different person.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Now he doesn't smoke, he.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Doesn't travel, He's eliminated so many things in his life.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
How much can he change?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
And how much do you expect him to be different
inside the octagon?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Right?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Because now he's eliminated a lot of the things that
can be seen as distractions, right, partying and going out
doing all this stuff. Now he's not doing at because
of you, because he knows he has to be better
to beat you.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yes, this old stuff will help him for sure, And.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
But does it make much of a difference when it's
a change opposed to it being just your life? It's
what you live every day you've never straight from.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, you know you have to balance
your life in a little bit. Cannot be like I
don't know, let's see. I mean, I mean if he
enjoys now this different lifestyle, and maybe that shows how
much he wants to just win and maybe it was distraction,
who knows. I'm sure it's gonna affect him like good
(11:40):
ways and it's gonna help like focus and be mentally
more ready. I think, Uh, and uh and uh list
I think even if he lost again, he will tell
him himself, Hey, I tried my best, you know, I
think that's how I look. And but my job is
(12:00):
to expect him best ways. You know.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Yeah, you spent twenty five minutes with this man. Can
this man present a problem for you? Inside in OCTAGONA?
Do you feel like you just can beat.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Sean the Mauley.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I think I can beat him, but now I give
him too much respect, like I'm fighting first time, and
that's my job to don't look him easy. And but yeah,
of course he has a knuckle of power. He's very smart,
he's speed. I cannot relax or make any mistake with him.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
You know, because you've been living life, having fun, became
the champ travel, you've had some great moments.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Can I tell you my favorite Mobo?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yes for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Paris. Oh, you mentioned why you why.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Can I touch this?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I see you know you know it's it's I don't know,
so yeah, shell yeah talk And yes, I said, I
guess I left head as.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
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Speaker 2 (13:24):
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Speaker 3 (13:27):
If you're not married, come.
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Speaker 1 (14:52):
Now he knows, he knows he's a toolbox. He's very aware.
We have a bet going right now.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Actually, Henry, Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
We bet years ago before I ever signed with UFC.
We bet and Kabib was there. Habib was there. A
bunch of guys were there and where he was talking
about judo versus wrestling and talking about how he's the
greatest combat athlete of all time. And I said, listen,
I can't believe you've never seen this clip because Habib
says something so funny. Okay, someone find that clip. So
(15:26):
I was like, all right, listen, I'll bet you one
hundred anytime push ups that when I I'm two time
Olympic champion, I'm going to win the PFL belt twice.
I'm going to come over to the UFC. I'm going
to win the UFC belt. I'm going to defend the
belt and then I'm going to be the greatest combat
athlete of all time. I was like when I did,
and he didn't want to take the bet, didn't want
to take that so far. I was like, all right,
I bet you a thousand any time push ups, a
(15:47):
thousand push ups from me, and you only have to
give me a hundred push ups. And then finally he
took the belt and then he said all right, all right,
I'll take your bet. But and then he turned to
Habib and he was like, who's the greatest combat athlete
of all time? Time right now? I don't believe you
haven't seen this, And Habib goes Daniel Cormier. It was.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Who's the biggest comeback at of all time?
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
The gooddest combat at of all time?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Right now? Daniel. Now you know if you don't know,
now you know Ali wants you bad man, Like I mean,
it's like you guys are married.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
A stage five clinger right now? Oh yeah, well you know, yeah,
I'm about to be the champ.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
So he starts clinging.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I got like new Gucci shoes, I got all kinds
of stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
That is the best it's good guys.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I'm here with Kayla Harrison for the Championship this weekendam.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
All that we're talking about right while we're talking about it?
And it's funny.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, it's all true, right, it's all true.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
You have won two Olympic gold medals. You have won
the PFL Championship. Ye, you've won everywhere you've been. You're
now you're in the UFC and you're already on the
verge of a title.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
How does it feel getting to a moment that you
not only predicted but so many expected.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Now that is where it gets difficult.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Mmm. I mean I think that having all of this
experience that I have, having years of competing on the
biggest stages in the world, has prepared me and sort
of helps me to learn that that's all noise and
like none of that matters, you know, Like I I
do this because I love it. I do it because
(17:34):
I want to. I do it because it's my dream.
The outside pressure is, you know. I mean, no one
had ever won an Olympic gold medal before, so like
being in the finals of an Olympic match and n
knowing that no one ever someone had won silver, someone
had one bronze, but nobody had ever won gold. Like
that's that's a different kind of pressure.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Oh my god, yeah, kill it. We have all kind
of almost anointed you as the champ the moment you
got here, right, everybody started talking about it. You have
to win some fights to finally get this opportunity. Juliana
Pana gets the belt back in that fight against Raquel
(18:15):
Pennington's Did you think that she won that fight or did.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You think I didn't?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I didn't give the fight to her. After going back
and watching it, I thought that Raquel won the fight.
But you know, I'm not a judge, so so.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
And I asked you this, you're in the back, Jill
and I have had a field day with this.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
You're in the back.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Jail is not my biggest fan, by the way, talking
a lot of shit about you.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
He loves you, does he? He constantly puts you over?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Does he? Yes? Are you sure? When I see him
we're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It's one of the crazy like he just does it
every time.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
He puts you over constantly. But what we had a
field day with is you're in the back.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
They show me right, it's a layup.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, she no sells you and call that man, she
doesn't call.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
For What did you make of that?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I mean, I don't. I mean I I attest that
to insecurity, Like I'm the unknown, right, I'm like this big,
scary unknown. She's fought Amanda before twice.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
She knows went very bad.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It did go very bad. But I don't I think
that she still knows what she can. She's like, I've
beaten her. I can do it, you know, so, or
it could have just been like that was what she
had in her mind to say, So that's what she said,
even though I feel like the fight to make was
her and I and here we are.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
And yes, and it's made.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And the reason there's so much hype behind it is
because of who you are and who she is and
fighting there was an opportunity to make it bigger in
that moment.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, because you could have stormed to the case. You
could have did I kind.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Of was like, yeah, I kind of wanted to. First
of all, I didn't know where I was in the arena.
It was it's a little bit of a maze back there,
but yeah, it would have been that.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Would have been the greatest visual. She goes kill Harrison.
You just fought. I just became a world champion.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Get you as you come trying to.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Warrior h.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
It would have been the craziest.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Everybody already thinks I'm brock lessner. Now you're gonna have
me to doing some shit like this cracusiest thing ever.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
It would have popped so loud and it would have
been amazing. But yeah, the fight still has that hype.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
The other day we ran a feature of YouTube face
to face. You're talking, Juliana almost wants to give you
the pressure.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
No, the pressures on Kaila.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
No.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
She did say that. She's like, I've gotten nothing to lose,
and I'm like, well on your title. I mean, I
just don't really understand Juliana. She throws a lot of
ship out there, like it's a lot of spaghetti at
the wall and a lot of like you know, everywhere,
from like she's on steroids to she's away bully she
(20:46):
needs a walking taco to all the pressures on her,
what's she gonna do? How is she gonna you know,
she gonna lay on me? And I'm like, I just
it kind of screams in security to me, like I
have three dogs and you know I have a big mastiff,
I have a medium husky, and then I have this
little chihuahua. And the chihuahua sounds vicious. You know. He's
(21:09):
playing with the other dogs, and he's the most harmless
of them all. He's just a little yapper, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So you think all the talking is yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Put the give off the idea of strength, knowing that
underneath it's a.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Little bit uncertain for sure.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, But at the end of the day, she's the
world champion two times she is right, she is. So
when you are breaking her down looking at her skill
for skill, what do you see in Juliana Payton.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Honest ansa quiale.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I see heart, I see heart, I see fire. You know,
I think that's that Her best attribute as an athlete
is she's a fighter. Like she is a fighter, She's
not going to give up. She's not going to quit.
It's not the prettiest, but she's gonna keep coming forward
and she's gonna she's gonna try and find a way.
You know. But I think that I'm better everywhere. I
(22:05):
think that I'm the bigger, faster, stronger fighter. I think
that now I have quite a bit of experience under
my belt. I think that I'm a better striker, I
think that I'm a better grappler, and I'm prepared to
you know, she is a fighter, but I'm a fighter too.
I've been fighting my whole damn life, you know, like
forget forget inside of a cage or on a matt
(22:28):
I've been fighting my whole life. So if she thinks
that like she's some David and I'm Goliath, she's got
it wrong.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Did how much did you learn in that last fight
or to take down so much as you may have
antssipated against k Caitlyn.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, No, I think it was really good for me.
I was disappointed, you know, in my performance, just because
I'm initially I was disappointed because I'm a perfectionist and
I want to go out there and dominate and still
my will. But I think it was good to see
kind of how girls at this level are going to
try and combat the grappling.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
It felt like it felt like it felt like she
was doing a good job of defending earlier. I think
even in the commentary I was talking about it, like
when you would level change, you're having difficulties getting up
to her body, right like that because in judo, right,
you guys use a lot of trips and throws from
up top. I think she was doing a better job
of defending at the body, right, And.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I mean I think she was really defensive. You know.
It's like it's hard to you know, you know how
it is like they want to do is when they're
just not trying, when they're not trying to win, they're
just trying not to lose. It's hard to get in
there and make shit happen. So but it was a
really good learning experience for me. And that's those are
(23:45):
the moments where it's like, all right, then let your hand,
hands go, Like, let your hands go, and guess what
what happens when you let your hands go. Their hands
go here.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Well, if you could take a numb and you controlled
that first round very very easy.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Was later when she got more slippery.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, but she seems a big, strong girl too. Everybody
be talking how big she kills so big.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
But it was big she just had.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I'm like, there's a reason for that, dude, she's big.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Juliana's actually gonna fight, though, Do you think that it's
going to give you more openings to take her to
the Meptain.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
How do you see this fight ending on Saturday night?
Can you finish Juliana Pain?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I'd like to, you know, I'm prepared for twenty five
hard minutes, but the goal is always to go out
there in kotko or submission. If I have my perfect world,
I would love to. I think, just you know, put
some elbows through her head, through her forehead and end
on a TKO.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I remember the.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
First time you learned that you can elbow and PFL,
how excited you were.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I was like, oh, this lady's You're like, oh my god,
I can elbow.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
N It's such a huge weapon in the sport.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
And then you remember how bad you bloodied out the
girl right after. Yeah, that shit was nasty.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Now that's when I was like, oh, I've I've fought
half my career without a very important weapon like this
is Yeah. I love it all.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Right, last one before I let you go, obviously, I
have to ask this question here we go.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I know it's Amanda Dunat's question.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, so yes, I want to fight her. Yes,
I hope she comes back. Now I'm not overlooking Juliana.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Okay, you don't get better at something by not doing
it right. You don't get better at something by not
doing it. Yeah, how does Amanda expect to be who
she was being off for two years?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Obviously we don't know the extent to which she was training.
I heard that her gym closed.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
I heard that they closed that gym, so I don't
know what she would be doing for training. But again,
you don't get better, yeah, at something by not doing it.
What if Amanda does come back like what Amanda downs,
would you guys expect.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And would you want that in the next fight after
Juliana Painton?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, for sure. I think that this has been my
dream for a long time. Is like the UFC Champion
fight Amanda, and it was never anything negative, Like it's
just that she's the greatest of all time, and to me,
that's the highest honor I can give you. I'm like, look, dude,
like you are You're it, Ye're her. I want to
be you. That's why I moved to Florida to train
(26:03):
with you. You know, like, if you want to be
the best, you have to train with the best. And
I think that, you know, it doesn't really matter. I
think that now is my time. I think that I am.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
She could be the man that had destroyed Hollyholm. And
it won't matter if you're ready.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I think now's my time. When you're the best in
the world, you're the best in the world, and it
doesn't matter.
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