FantasyPros - Does Drake London Have WR1 Overall Upside? | 12 INSANE League Winners To Target In Your 2025 Fantasy Football Drafts (Ep. 1592) - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, and welcome into the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Football Podcast.
As Ricky Bobby said, if you ain't first, your last,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
We're talking about.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Twelve insane league winners to target in your twenty twenty
five fantasy football drafts. I'm your host, Sets Wilcock, fresh
off my league home draft position lottery this past weekend.
In the four hole this season, so hopefully I'll be
circling some of these players we discussed today, and I'm
joined by quite the cast of characters in this episode,
including the King of Bros, Derek Brown Ak Debro Derek. Great,

(00:33):
but to be back with you today. How's your summer
been so far since the NFL Draft show concluded? My friend?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Uh, dude, it's been a lot of writing, a lot
of dadding with the kids at home. Yeah, free kids
at home during the midst of content season. Is it's fun.
I'll just say it's interesting and then, you know, just
trying to avoid the sun. Joe gave me crap about
it the last show that I did. It is true.

(00:58):
I gotta freaking sunburn in the shame, guys. So it's
it's been a tough summer so far.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I can see it on you on your face a
little bit, and you that SPF fifty. I think at
least fifty plus work.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
It didn't work two hundred. I don't know. I'm gonna
have to get in the triple digits now.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Also joining us is my co host over the from
the Betting Pros College Football Show and the Coast of
the Fancy Pros Dynasty Podcast, a man who's so busy,
so important that he left me on Red for a
good ten days recently. He's Scott Bogman. Good to see you, buddy.
How are the summertime vibes training you down in Texas?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm Old Manning these days. That's really what it is.
I got an update on my phone. Stuff doesn't show up,
shows up anymore. Excuse, excuse?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Are you Arch Now?

Speaker 4 (01:42):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I'm Old Manning?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I see my hearing is so bad. Yeah, I just oh,
Arch Manning? Are you yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah yeah, Arch Manning.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Come on, Yeah, that's what we're about here.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
But you know, you know how my summer's been seth
It's been Aaron Rodgers centric. So yeah, not so happy
about that. And we haven't even talked about it yet.
But I don't think he was number one on your
call sheet either, so you know it's just the way
it is. But we're ready to talk about some insane
upside guys here. I'm excited to do it.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
I don't think any any Aaron Rodgers on the program today.
I don't think any Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't think they
really fit into that category much. But today's show does
look like this. We'll break down the guy's favorite league
winners from rounds two to three, the mid rounds, and
some late round dart throws as well. And before we
jump in, I first wanted to shadow everyone who's watching
on the Fantasy Pros YouTube channel or listening on the

(02:37):
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help Bogs, help me, help us all Debro three hundred

(03:00):
k we're putting out there for the people those old
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Speaker 2 (03:03):
He's like bink ping pink pink py.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Bin ping ping pink chan.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh, man, I'm old, I'm using bat signals over here,
carrier pigeons.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
That still works.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
All right, Let's go ahead and jump into our favorite
league winning big guns that reside in the rounds two
and three. A fancy draft starting with Debro. Who's all
the way back in on last year's wide receiver five overall?
Who you got, Debro?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Dude, it's Drake London. It's Ben Drake London. It's still
Drake London. I've put it out there on the social media. Man,
he has got dark Horse wide receiver one overall upside
and a lot of these wide receivers, if you're taking
them in the second and third round, you want them
to have this type of upside, right, they can be
that league winning player for you that massively outproduces his ADP.

(03:52):
And I understand like he's going to wide receiver ten.
I get it. You gonna have to pay up for
a little bit for it, but there's still meat left
on the bone. Whereas there's a lot of guys where
you're drafting in these ranges where it's just like, please, please,
just don't lose value, Please continue to be a top fifteen,
a top twenty wide receiver like you've been in previous years.

(04:12):
But for Drake London, I think it's it all comes
down to not only has he got the volume in
the pathway, look at this passing offense. I mean, okay,
Darnell Mooney's there nothing else Ray, Ray McLeod, We're worried
about stealing targets. Nope, we're worried about Kyle Pitts. Dude
can't even play a full time role on offense. So no,
I'm not worried about Kyle Pitts. So Drake London has

(04:33):
the pathway to absolutely crush where we saw him produce
and have the monster breakout season that I always thought
he had in him. All we needed was better quarterback
play with Michael Pennix this year he could unlock a
totally different level to Drake London. And I know this
is a small sample and people are gonna crush me
for that, but with Michael Pennock's under center last year,

(04:53):
three games Darnell Mooney played two of those games, he
had a thirty nine percent target chare, He averaged one
hundred and seventeen receiving yards per game, and his yards
per route run jumped to three point seventy four.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
You said, Darnell Mooney, but you met Drake London.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
No, Darnal Mooney played two of the three games that
Michael Penick started, is what I was saying.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh, because I'm looking at Drake London's numbers with Penick starting,
and they're eerily similar. You say, seven point three receptions
per game, one hundred and seventeen point three yards per
game in those games, and Pennick started with Drake London.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
That's crazy and a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Dude, Drake London's going to crush this year. I think
he has wide receiver one overall upside Ericson's talked about
this on other shows. We always point to the red
zone role. We know he's gonna get red zone targets.
The thing is, if a doc goes up because we
think it's going to because Penis is actually going to
stretch the field versus Kirk Cousins, right, then Drake London

(05:47):
has this ceiling to just absolutely eviscerate his current ADP
and ECR.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, eighteen. Overall ECR currently wide receiver ten. Number three
in targets last year, which I think a lot of
people overlook nine point two per game. That's elite volume.
Number four in receiving yards as well, also proved he's
probably one of the league's best route runners. I know
there's a lot of conversation who's coming in, How good
of a route runner is this guy? And I think

(06:12):
he proved that he is one of the best. Number
seven in total routes won, So it feels like a
great value in the second round of drafts Boggs. The
only question I think is for those who are going
to be either in or out with London at current
ADP is that the quarterback position slightly unknown. Michael PENNOCKX
junior looked good in his three starts, Bro, it's just
three starts towards the end of the season as well.

(06:35):
That's really the hold up for me, and I think
a lot of fantasy managers with loving London like a
league winner, like our friend Debro does.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, I mean I like London as well.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
You said as ECRs eighteen, I have him in nineteen,
so I'm right in striking distance of wanting to draft
Drake London. And you know, look, you don't have to
ask me if I'm a believer in Penix that I
have two reasons. Number one, Fitz won't shut up about him.
Fitz loves Michael Pennix. That's one of his favorite buys
this year. You know, it is a small sample size,

(07:05):
but you know it kind of showed the upside of
what this offense can be with Michael PENNOCKX Drake London
in particular, Like deep Bro just pointed out seven point
three receptions per game, one hundred and seventeen yards per game,
zero point seven on the touchdowns, so more likely to
score a touchdown than not every game that he started
with Michael Pennick.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
So you saw the upside. I saw Michael.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
PENICKX tear up my long hoards in the College Football
Playoff a couple of years ago. So I know that
when he gets rolling and going down Hitler's no stopping him.
There is not a guarantee that that is going to
happen weekend week out right, but he could be really good.
So we could be sitting in a gold mine with
this Falcon's offense and Drake London is going to be,
you know, the second best piece of it behind Bejon Robbinson,

(07:46):
and that is a very good place to be if
Michael Penix gets it rolling downhill like he showed at
the end of last year.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, I don't like the secondaries in this division either,
Like Tampa Bay. They addressed it a little bit in
the second round of the draft, adding Benjamin Morrison, but
aside from that, like not afraid of their secondary, not
afraid of Carolinas secondary either. So I think potentially some
upside there for Drake London Boggs. Let's go to you
and move forward, but stay still in rounds two and three,

(08:15):
this time featuring one of your favorite running back targets
that might have league winning upside.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, I feel like I'm the last, you know, fighter
for Jonathan Taylor. Here you are, and I know I understand,
and look, you know we're picking. The name of this
show is insane picks, right, Like, I don't even think
this is insane. This guy is getting pushed down to
the second round. There's a lot of good running backs now,

(08:41):
specifically with this class coming in, so I understand it.
He's also had injury issues, so there's two big ifs right.
The big ifs are if JT can stay healthy, because
we know last year the talent is still there. In
terms of points per game, he was fifth, so the
upside is still incredible for Jonathan Taylor. And do they

(09:01):
get any sort of good quarterback play because he was
a top five point per game producer with horrific quarterback
play last year. I mean bottom of the barrel, got
awful QB play last year. So there's not a guarantee
that that is going to improve this year. Right, Maybe

(09:21):
Anthony Richardson doesn't take a step, maybe they have to
go to Daniel Jones.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
And Daniel Jones is kind of what we know he
is at this point.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I love to see him out of New York and
get to maybe somewhat of a competent offense here. But
this offense, look at it, I mean, look at how
potent this could be if they fit it. I still
believe in Pittman. I know he had a bad year
last year, but no one was throwing the ball. Josh
Downs is so good in contested situations. They added Tyler

(09:48):
Warren over there. True, ad Ni Mitchell and Alec Pierce
had an awesome year with all that bad quarterback play
last year. So I just think he's already a guy
that is producing at a top five level in a
her game basis, right, if you get competent quarterback play
and he can stay on the field, and I know
people look at DJ Giddens going there and saying, well,
you know, they have a good backup. Now, maybe he's

(10:10):
not gonna get used as much. Good take three or
four touches away from him every game and keep him
a little bit healthier throughout the season. I think that's
great for him. So I just see, you know, I
see the path to JT being back on top of
the running back mountain at the end of the year.
If this offense could get rolling, is it the most

(10:31):
likely situation? Probably not, But that's why we're calling this
insane league winners, right. So I still think JT has
a talent to be at the tip of the spear
among running backs, just has to stay on the field.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
I've been pretty all in on JT the past two seasons.
We got him like at a round eight discount back
in twenty twenty three when he had that hold out
situation going on that led to the injury, and then
also last year. I took him right around that one
to two turn in a lot of drafts. He didn't
really leave me hanging like. He still scored at least
dull digit PPR points in all but three games, and

(11:04):
he was a league winner down the stretch late in
the season. I still felt somewhat disappointed, though, because he
did have career lows in the receiving outputs. I worry
he could see something similar this year. Ar doesn't seem
to throw a lot to the running backs, nor does
Daniel Jones, and the Colts feel like to me Debro
that maybe this whole thing is blown up by mid season.
So I'm out on jt Where do you land?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I've got him still as an RB one in my
current ranks, but he's not a guy that I'm like
gravitating to and prioritizing in drafts and stuff like that.
And for much the same reasons you mentioned is that,
like the I know the volume is gonna be there,
I have questions about the offense. I don't think the
pass game upside is going to be there. So I
think Jonathan Taylor, you're kind of hoping for like a

(11:48):
Nick Chubb type of runout, like Derrek Henry Llume. Yeah, yeah,
where the early down volume gets there, the touchdowns are there.
The bigger thing that I think kind of concerns me
most about Jonathan Taylor is the exploit run rate was
still awesome last year. His tackle breaking metrics, and I
will give a caveat here. Obviously we know he was
not one hundred percent healthy last year, sure, and so

(12:11):
can that bring these numbers down. But when you see
some of these guys with the volumes built up, he's
not twenty one, twenty two to twenty three years old anymore.
And last year eleven percent miss tackle rate, two point
zero three yards up to contact per attempt. Those numbers
are kind of frightening when he needs to make like
how he's going to do cash his paychecks in fantasy

(12:31):
for people is on the early downs because again none
of us are talking about he's going to have this
massive pass game upside catch forty to fifty balls this year.
It's not going to happen with anybody under center there
because instead of doing that, they're going to take off running.
So if the pass game utility is not there to
kind of save him, and he needs to absolutely crush
on the early downs outside of volume. I even have

(12:54):
some questions about his effectiveness there because well, we didn't
see it last year, but he still was RB seven
two Bogman point and then all goes back to the volume.
So Volume probably carries him and wins the day. Not
a guy that I'm going to reach for prioritizing drafts.
If he falls in a draft, maybe I'll get him.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
He had to have face more stack boxes. I didn't
look into it, but he had to face more stack
boxes last year than any of the year because they
couldn't get I mean, Anthony Richardson was so miserable passing
the ball. Yeah, eight nine man fronts. So if they
can just get a little bit of help of pushing
back the linebackers to step, you know, getting one of
those guys out of the box and on the perimeter

(13:31):
a little bit more, that will go a long way
for JT breaking some of those tackles. It'll be against
one or two guys instead of three or four this
year hopefully, so, you know, and finishing as a top
five in points per game last year, it's still the
talent is still in there. I'm not gonn last forever.
This is right where running backs hit their peak. This
is twenty six for him, so you know, this is

(13:53):
probably the last huge one unless you start turning into
a freak like Derrick Henry, like Sakuon Barkley, and with
his injury history, I don't know if that's going to
be the case.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
So yeah, definite, definitely a toss up there. But Bogman
he's liking the upside of JT in the early rounds
and Debro all in on Drake London before we get
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Speaker 3 (14:43):
We can cry into it. I was not happy about
the Pickens trade. I think you and I did discuss
that one.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Hey playing for next year, baby,
playing for next year. That's my hope there. Moving into
the mid round breakouts, Debro, who is your first league winner?
From Browns four through eight?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Are we all pretending that twenty twenty four didn't happen?
Did everybody just wake up today and submit rankings and
decide in drafts that we're all gonna pretend that Kenneth
Walker wasn't an RB one last year because that's what
everybody's basically doing. He's the RB sixteen in ECR all
throughout the Best Ball streets, he's an RB two what

(15:24):
doesn't matter where you're drafting at. And I think it's
absolutely ludicrous. He was the RB twelve and Fantasy points
per game last year. People, he was already an RB one,
So why are we doing this? Oh, you're worried about
Zach Scharbonay when Kenneth Walker's healthy. Sharbon Ay has not
been a factor, a heavy factor. This has not been
a split backfield. Oh you don't think he can catch passes? Okay, Well,

(15:48):
all of those bad narratives when he was a prospect
got crushed last year. Kenneth Walker, amongst forty five qualifying
running backs last season third and first downs per route run,
sixth in targets per route run six and receiving yards
per game. He's also one of the best early down
rushers in the entire freaking NFL. Because Kenneth Walker last

(16:09):
year also led the NFL in misstackle rate and was
top ten in yards of to contact for attempt. So
I don't understand why everybody's so scared and they do
not want to draft Kenneth Walker. And we just talked
about injuries with Jonathan Taylor, but nobody seems to care
about those with Jonathan Taylor, but they want to cite
those with Kenneth Walker. That makes absolutely zero sense. I

(16:32):
just don't get it, guys. He's a league winner. I
have him as an RB one. He is RB ten
in my ranks, And for everybody that says that that's crazy,
he was RB twelve last year. If this offensive line
takes even a small step forward this year, he's gonna explode.
So I know I'm not working because the other thing

(16:53):
I know, the YouTube comments are gonna go. He's got
a minor ankle injury. He's already hurt. I don't care
it's ranking June people. The team's already come out and
said they don't care about the ankle injury. They're holding
him back. They won him ready for training camp and
when it's go time. I want to draft Kenneth Walker
everywhere if you're giving me RB two prices on an
RB one that has shown massive passing game upside. With

(17:16):
freaking Sam Donald under center this year, we know first
hint to pressure, he's gonna check it down. Yeah, Yeah,
I'm gonna draft Kenneth Walker everywhere.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Forty four overall in ECR RB sixteen. So I do
really like the value of Walker, especially when you consider that,
like you said, Deebro, he had career high receiving numbers
last year in just eleven games. I think I can
continue with Sam Darnold liking to check the ball down. However,
this Seattle offensive line is what I think gives myself
and a lot of other rankers and fans a little

(17:49):
bit of pause, even after drafting the bush like drinking
offensive guard Gray Zabel out of the FCS in the
first round.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
So where do you live? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Where do you land on him? Bogman?

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, I haven't met RB fifteen. I love ken Walker.
I think the talent is insane. I was where Debro
is last season on him. He got hurt, obviously, But
like Debro said, this is this is very similar to
Jonathan Taylor. And honestly, I probably would have skipped JT
and had Kenneth Walker on my list had I got

(18:22):
my list first.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
But Seth made this.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Chat for us, and deebro is like, here's my picks,
like five seconds, chands.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I mean, he's a hard working man. He's hard working man.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Well, can we wait until like Saturday? Maybe give me
a chance to get some names in here. Two names
everybody knows. Everybody knows the two names that I'm gonna
be mad about.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
This is one of them.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
The other one you guys are gonna be really surprised by.
But the ken Walker talk, I mean I have been
a ken Walker fan since his time in Michigan State.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
You know, this is a guy that faced eight nine
ten man.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Stack boxes because Brian Lawurki was quarterback and still ran
through everybody gutted that amazing Michigan defense that went on
to win the national title a couple of seasons later. Right, So,
like ken Walker has the talent to be a upper
echelon running back. It's just about staying healthy. But I
will say this for him, and like Debro said, when

(19:19):
you go to a quarterback like Sam Darnold, what is
the best thing you can do for him? You can
run the ball effectively to make some of these passing
lanes open. Later, they're gonna run the crap out of
the ball with Walker and Charbonay as that two headed
monster there. I mean, Charbona is worth way more than

(19:40):
the carrieres that he gets in Seattle. I think that's
what scares people off of Seattle or off of Walker's
We got a little taste of it when Walker was gone.
But Walker is still better than Sharbonag. Like Sharbona is great,
but Walker is still better. So is he an injury risk, yes,
but we're calling this the insane league winners. It would
be insane if he vaulted up to a top five

(20:02):
running back. But the talent is there, and I think
that's what we're trying to find in this shows. We're
trying to five talent that either the injuries something doesn't
match up in their ECR.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
And Kenneth Walker is one of those guys.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
De Bro if you were gonna draft Kenneth Walker's early
as you have him in your rankings, are you also
grabbing Charbonnet in the triple digit numbers as well? Like
he won sixteen in ECR. Currently he was an RB
one in games that Kenneth Walker was gone. So do
you want that like a handcuff on your bench with
sharps or are you okay missing out on the weeks

(20:36):
that Kenneth Walker's out.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
I'm not. I'm not if you were. This all goes
back to to ethos of guys that we're drafting. If
you're drafting these guys, you were making a bet and
you were placing a chip down that they are going
to crush. I'm not hedging that bet, Okay. I understand
people that if they want to. But if if Kenneth
Walker gets hurt whatever I mean like it, stay he
stays healthy for the first twelve games of the season,

(20:59):
first eight nine games the season, are you still holding
Charbonne at that point on your bench or if you
probably cut loose and you have somebody else like You're
probably not holding on to that guy seven weeks into
the season, especially your team, whether you start off like
just crushing other teams and you start off like undefeated
or you're struggling, the reality that he's still on your
bench at that time is very slim. So for me,

(21:22):
if I'm making if we're doing all this work in
the pre draft process in the summer and I'm making
bets on certain players to absolutely crush, I'm gonna say
it on my chest.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
I also think Charms is probably too expensive to handcuff,
you know. Yeah, fair, I think so's going to take
him a little bit higher than your traditional handcuff type player.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Very very very true. Yeah, Bogs, let's go ahead and
stay out on the West Coast and get to your
favorite mid round target.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, let's go to o'mari and Hampton, the running back
coming out of North Carolina and ending up with the
Chargers here. Currently, as Easyr is fifty five, he's fifty two.
I'm only like one spot higher than him on the ECR.
But I know there's pushback against Hampton having an enormous
season in his rookie year because Naji Harris is there. Yes,
but I do think you and I would agree set

(22:10):
that while Nase is a guy that can handle an
insane amount of volume, he's kind of a jag in
NFL circles. Now, I'll I will say this, all the
hype that I have for Omar and Hampton coming into
the NFL is exactly the type of hype that I
had for Naji Harris coming into the NFL with my
own team, right because he went you know, he went

(22:32):
to Alabama. He had enormous you know production there and
also great in the scouting combine his athletics score, the jumping,
you know, hurdling, all that stuff. Nase is great. But
his his secret is stamina. It's not anything flashy. Hampton
has everything. Man, listen to so many stats. Fifth and
rushing attempts in college last year, fourth and rushing yards

(22:53):
six and yards per carry six in run grade, third
in yards after contact six in miss tackles force fourth
and runs, fifth in breakaway yards, seventh in breakaway percentage,
ninth in running back receptions third and running back receiving yards,
fifth in running back yards per route run, and seventh
in elusive rating. For Omar and Hampton in college last season,

(23:14):
this is a dude that can come in and have
an insane year. Last year he had over three hundred
touches in North Carolina went for over two thousand yards
and had seventeen touchdowns. That is insane production. He ain't
gonna get that in the NFL. But I think it's
going to be a much wider gap between touches for

(23:35):
Hampton and Aji Harris then most projections have him for
Could it be closer specifically in the beginning, Absolutely, I
think at the end of the day Omari and Hampton
is going to run away with this job at the
end of the year, which is going to have him
finish total points probably as a low end RB one
or a high end RB two, somewhere in that range.

(23:57):
And if something happens to not and he gets a
bunch of carries, which look now, she seems like the
terminator has never missed a game, right, Like he's insane.
But if anything does happen in Naji and Hampton is
getting all the Lion's share is going to put up
monstrous numbers. So if we're looking at insane upside, Hampton

(24:17):
absolutely hasn't.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, I think I'm in line with you because I
feel like we've seen this movie before. Talented young rookie
running back comes in. There's a veteran on there who
can snatch up some volume. Whether it was like when
JT came in the league and he had martinon Mack
there Mac ends up tearing his achilles like week one
and then the floodgates open for JT. Or maybe it's

(24:39):
a more gradual, you know, more gradual thing like like
how Jamier Gibbs came in and potentially doesn't have the
best start of the season, Dave Montgomery ends up going down.
Is lightning in a bottle. They can't put the genie
back into it. So we know that Hampton is special, debro.
We know that he can handle the volume, led the
acc in rushing attempts in the past two seasons. But

(25:00):
the question is that will he see it in year
one and will you see it early enough in that
rookie year that justifies the cost and not just trading
for him down the line.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Man, I hope. So my worries and this is why
I didn't include him on my list. I'm a little
bit blue easy er. I do that worry that Naji
Harris kind of hangs around because again, like we know
what is strong, like, he's solid, He's not spectacular, man,
I mean, he's basically the dave of Montgomery of this offense. Now,
like not in the sense of skill set, sure breaking,

(25:30):
like you know what you're getting on an Ajie Harris.
He's gonna play every single game this season. He's not
gonna get hurt. If he does get banged up, he's
gonna play through it. He's gonna break tackles, get you
four yards if you need four yards, five yards if
you need that, He'll get you four yards. That's about
what you're gonna get a Najie Harris. And I just
worry that he's gonna hang around too much that it's
gonna hurt Hampton. But look, if the Bolts give the

(25:53):
keys to this backfield to amar On Hampton, yes, everything
Bogmin laid out here, everything is gonna come to fruition.
The only the thing that I'll bring up here, and
this is again going back to something we kind of
mentioned or we talked about. We were talking about JT
and his upside and his floor and stuff. Is the
fact that I mean, at this point we know in
at Greg Roman offense, they're just not throwing the ball

(26:14):
to the running back position, even with Justin Herbert under center.
Last year you had the Los Angeles Chargers finished with
the second lowest running back target share in the NFL.
So the other part about it is if he doesn't
gain all of the work in the backfield and the
red zone equity, he doesn't have any of the pass
game stuff to fall back on if that's split up.

(26:35):
Even if that pie has given to him, it's not
a ton man. So is the talent there for him
to crush? Absolutely, he just needs nausey to just go away.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I think if you're drafting Omarion Hampton, I absolutely believe.
Like I'm with you, Boggs, I think by the end
of the year he is a league winner. I just
think you have to practice a little bit of patience, right, Like,
don't go trading ma after a week two or week
three because he's probably gonna be averaging some We're between
like nine to twelve points per game, but you know
the fifteen plus points could come the last four or

(27:06):
five weeks when you really need.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
It, and set it's a great point that you make here.
Remember this if you're not the one that drafts so much, yes, yes,
remember this conversation. And then you know, if people are
getting frustrated with him, try to make a deal for
him early in the season and then write out that
end because Hampton is better than nausea and I hate
crapping on Naji.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
He's a wonderful thing. I love him.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, great, Yeah, I agreed.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
You know, we watched a lot of him. He's a
jack in the NFL. I think so.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Stamina is this thing you know? Producing is not?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
So yeah? Bookmark this this time stamp here, put Bog's
face in it as the JPEG. Save it in your
folder for later down the road, and you're gonna open
it up and you'll be happy to uh to no surprise,
d bro, you're also in on a rookie running back
being a league winner. This one coming by way of
the Mile High City.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Dude. It's it's R. J. Harvey's world world. I mean,
I just I don't understand how, like, in what world
realm are we living in when we are worried about
Aldrick estimated Julia mcloughin and people's newest excuse JK. Dobbins. Yes,
I don't. I just don't get it, man, Like people

(28:20):
wanted to shade like RJ. Harvey was an RB three
in ECR. He's a low end RB two on a
lot of different best ball sites. I cannot wrap my
head around this. I don't understand it, because it's like
people just want to push back against the hype. They
weren't high enough on him as a prospect. He went high.
He got the absolute awesome landing spot. We all hoped

(28:41):
if this would have been a Marion Hampton, if this
would have been even probably even Caleb Johnson, I mean
Traveon Henderson. Name any one of those three running backs,
if this would have been that name tied to Denver,
then people would be like, oh, it's r J. Har
Like they would be like just cutting backflips to draft this.
It is a top twelve, top fifteen back, but it's

(29:02):
r J. Harvey. So people are like, Oh, I don't
know what about all your custome No. Sean Payton, who
decided the running back rotation last year, said it wasn't
even Alldrick cuestimate time. It wasn't Jeliam McLoughlin time rip
to me, he just wasn't man. Javonte Williams stayed out
there for all of it, and RJ. Harvey is not
going to get most of the work in this backfield.

(29:24):
The high leverage, touches, the pass game stuff, and for
everybody being like, oh, well, RJ. Harvey can't pass protect.
Oh so you think that he's gonna trust Estamara McLoughlin,
who grand total of sixteen pass blocking snaps last year. JK.
Dobbins a new guy who's going to come and improve
that from the hop. Dude, I just don't understand how
we're going to talk ourselves out of a league winning

(29:45):
back and what we all think is going to be
a top twelve scoring offense. They were last year. He
produced over his final two collegiate seasons top twenty and
breakaway percentage and elusive rating in both of those. And
we know Sean Payton. We know Sean Payton is going
to target the running back position in the passing game
because he's done it every single freaking season he's ever

(30:06):
been in the NFL. In the last two years in Denver,
top five and running back target share in both of
those years. But all these reasons, people are like, yeah,
but RJ. Harvey's still in RB three in my rankings.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Come on, man, yeah, seventy seven overall ECR RB twenty seven.
And I've been with you, I've been here in Nadibro
really all spring preaching the good word that is RJ.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Harvey.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
But at the same time, you know, I do worry
about Dobbins just a little bit because he is coming
off a season with career highs across the board and carries,
rushing yards and receptions even though you know, the Greg
Roman offense didn't produce a ton of them. So with
that said, Bogman, I'm still drafting RJ.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Harvey.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
I just think I have a little bit less hope
that he could be, you know, a top five overall
running back. Despite this being a guy that every time
we tried to fade UCF over on the BP College
Football Show the past couple of years worked out because
this man.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Right here, RJ. Harvey just puts it together. Man, And
how do we know if he could pass block or not?
What did he get ten chances all of last season?

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Right?

Speaker 3 (31:11):
They just ran the crap out of the football, UCF.
They ran like they literally ran the ball like I
think it was sixty six percent of the time, sixty
three percent of the time somewhere in that neighborhood. It
was one of the higher clips last season.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
And RJ.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Harvey was the guy. And this is the thing. Look,
Dobbins isn't a nothing, right. He doesn't come in here
and do nothing. He comes in here and he pushes
at Audric Estimate and Jelil McLaughlin to the back.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Of the lunch line. But RJ.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Harvey they drafted. They put more into getting RJ. Harvey.
They gave him a nice draft spot. And guess who
they could have had that entire time. They could have
had Dobbins before that, right, Like, so I don't know, man,
Like I just don't. It is gonna be one two
punch for sure. But this is just like Nause uh

(31:59):
and Omar Hampton to me, although the gap is wider,
you know what I mean, Like the gap is much much. Well,
I feel like the gap is wider between Nause and
Hampton than it is Montgomery and Gibbs. Like I think
those two are closer in talent, even though Gibbs is
amazing than Hampton and Nause. And I think Hampton and

(32:19):
Nause are closer than Harvey and Dobbins. So like, I
just think that we're getting further away from you know,
like Dobbins. Is he gonna impact things? Yes, of course
he is. But he's gonna push Estimate and McLaughlin out,
not Harvey. I have Harvey at twenty two among running
backs RB two D bro. That's for you, baby, So

(32:40):
I'm not moving him down from there, maybe to you know,
maybe I put him below Henderson, but I don't know.
I think Henderson is probably on the lower end with
Stevenson there. I'm more afraid of that than I am
Dobbins for Harvey.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
So okay, I'm.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Probably gonna stick with Harvey right at where I have
him at twenty two. And I think there's a ton
of upside there with him.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Absolutely to two different things here, boys, before we move
on one. I absolutely love the comparison that you just
made Bogmin between Hampton and it's so apapos like. And
if you look at these two situations, it's like, are
you worried about JK. Dobbins? Are you worried more about
Najie Harris? You should be worried more about Najie Harris.
And then you look at both of these both of

(33:20):
these offenses. One of them has proven they will not
throw to the running backs, but people seem to not
care about that at all, And the other has proven
over a decade that the running back is an integral
part of.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
The pass game.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yes, but everybody's like so I mean to be honest, like, yes, RJ.
Harvey and Amri and Hampton, if anything, their ranking should
be flipped. But if you believe in Hampton, then both
of these guys should be in the top twenty four.
Like the addition of JK. Dobbins did nothing to my RJ.
Harvey rank because the other part about looking at RJ.
Harvey in his runout for this season, I never and nobody,

(33:54):
nobody should have ever projected this guy to get two
hundred and seventy five three hundred care So that's not
what you're projecting. I always believe there was gonna be
a running back and we'll be a running back in
this offense next to Harvey. That's gonna siphon off one
hundred to one hundred and twenty five carries. That's gonna happen.
Oh okay, cool. The Broncos just said we don't believe

(34:16):
estimates that guy. We're just wanting JK. Dobbins to be
that guy. Fine, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, last thing for me on this and kind of
related just due to Bogman's comp though nothing be in
high school getting to the lunch line early, man, Like, yeah,
when you're at the front of that line, like you
feel like a king. Whoever was the teacher that let
you go down to lunch? You know, just thirty seconds
early beat the little bit of a rush good times.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I was like an Olympic sprinter to the lunch line
as a fat kid. Number one, I want that food, right,
But really what it was was we played football at lunch.
So oh okay, my group tried to scarf our lunch
down so you could go play football.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Sure that ended poorly a couple of times. I wouldn't know.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Go ahead and Boggin, Well, I.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Just that it did not end well. They made us
stop doing it. But yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
So I will not hype up lunch room Hamburgers, but
I will say warm versus cold. Yeah, you want to
be on the front of the line.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, good, good point. Also staying on brand is Boggling
with his next league winner that is a former Texas Longhorn.
Hook them Bogs. Who you got here? Man?

Speaker 3 (35:25):
I know, I know, Look Xave, you're worthy. My guy
for the Kansas City Chiefs. Look, I get it. Rice
is back, Hollywood Brown is back. Yes, they drafted Jalen Royals.
Travis Kelsey's not going to have as bad a year.
I understand all of these arguments about why Worthy is
where he is, right, Well, what about this?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
What if Worthy is just really really good?

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Right?

Speaker 3 (35:49):
What type of upside does tyr does a Worthy have?
I just spoiled it. It's Tyreek Hill type of upside.
They have the same type of skill set. It's speed
on speed on speed.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
And if we look at I mean the three game
playoff pace, I extrapolated it.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Boys, it's absurd. I'm not even gonna read it.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
It's the playoffs and receiving yards yeah, yeah, I'm not even.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Gonna read seven hundred and forty reception Yeah, four hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's sixteen hundred and twenty six yards and seventeen. That's
that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Now, let's take the last three weeks of the regular
season and the playoffs. It's a little more realistic, still
insanely high. It's one hundred and forty eight targets, one
hundred and thirteen catches, thirteen hundred and fifty one yards
in fourteen scores. He's not getting that. Like, I'm not
sitting here trying to sell that to you, but I
will say, what does that look like, gentlemen? That looks

(36:41):
like some peak Tyreek Hill years right there. That extrapolation true,
right like one hundred eleven, twelve, thirty nine and nine,
one hundred and nineteen, seventeen, ten and seven. His best
year in twenty three seventeen hundred ninety nine and thirteen
touchdowns on one hundred and nineteen catches for Tyreek Hill.
That's the type of in saying upside I feel like

(37:01):
Xavier Worthy has. Is he going to get that in
the Chiefs offense? Most likely not? I think he right
what I want Worthy as is my wide receiver three.
That's why I have him ranked at twenty five in
my rankings.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
He's my twenty.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Fifth wide receiver because he is the first option I
want when we get down to those RB threes, because
he's an upside play every single week because of his
big playability. So I want my two steady eddies, and
I want my third wide receiver every time to be
Xavier Worthy just in case he does put together one
of those insane years and him and Mahomes. You know,

(37:37):
I think the thing that helped Worthy the most was
all these guys being out at the end of the
year so he could develop. With Mahomes obviously Kelsey was
and Kelsey was just you know, seem like he wasn't
playing healthy the whole year or he was distracted. But
he's coming back. You expect him to be better. You
expect Rice to be just as good coming back. He's

(37:58):
already been working in camps, so I expect him to
be there. Maybe we get this suspension, maybe we don't.
I just don't even know what it is happening with
it anymore for Rashi Rice. So but I am really
excited about what Worthy is going to put together this year.
I want to miss my wide receiver three on every
team I put together.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I think he definitely fits in this bucket of insane
league winners, right Like I think, if you're looking for
pure upside, he's there. I'm just mixed on this Kansas
City wide receiver corps as a whole, because, like you said,
we got royals in the mix. Hollywood Brown's back and
at the same time, like Worthy felt like he only
took off once he kind of pushed Juju out of
that Rashid Rice role that they kind of put Juju

(38:35):
into before he got hurt. So I just have no
clue who's going to have that Rice roll in the
high target short A dot type of situation that Worthy
really excelled in down the stretch Debro. I just don't
know if that's worthies now going forward over it's Rice
who all slot back into it. So I'm just mixed
on how do you feel? Man?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
This passing attack has been frustrating to kind of like
dice up and figure out out. I think the more
that I've kind of thought about this is I think
Rice goes back into the into his role because if
you look at how all these skill sets kind of
mash up, I think Worthy proved that he can play

(39:15):
Rashi Rice's role over the back half of the season
with the high designed design target rate, the low A
dot and stuff. I don't think Rashi Rice can play
the Exaver Worthy role right and run the deep stuff.
So that that's why I worry that, like, could Exavier
Worthy play the Rashi Rice role? It's possible, but when
you met, when you mix up all these different skill sets,

(39:37):
it's I don't think Rice can play Worthy's role, and
what is Hollywood going to be the field stretcher, running
the go rats, running clear outs. I mean, that could
be possible, and maybe you'd be on the sky that's
also possible too. So for me, I think the big
thing that concerns me for Worthy, is he even a
worthy thing? It's Mahomes. I think a lot the way

(40:00):
that we have contextualized and talked about this offense over
the last two years and why they've done some of
the things that they've done and said, Okay, we've all said, oh,
it's all too high and they're taken away the deep
balls and blah blah blah and Mahomes and that's why
it's dink and dunk and everything's underneath. Dude, Can we
also just just keep it a buck here and also

(40:21):
say that this also might be a fallof for the
fact that Patrick Mahomes has been legit one of the
worst deep ball passers in the NFL over the last
two years, and that has also massively impacted this And
I know Chiefs fans don't want to hear that. They
also don't want to hear the numbers that he has
had been bottom ten and cpoe on deep targets. Of
the last two years. He's also been top ten in

(40:44):
off target rate. Mahomes has legitimately been terrible anytime he's
asked to throw down the field. And so regardless of
like if they are stretching the field, if that's the
role that Worthy plays, the Maholmes is play and his
play is a deep passer is going to incredibly impact
Xavier Worthy if he's in the Rashi rice, kudos, wheels up,

(41:05):
let's go. We know what that looks like. Even if
they're they're rotating between this, that's going to hurt Worthy
if Mahomes is still a future deep passer this year.
So I'm probably at consensus. I'm worthy. I can see
I see a path for the ceiling. I just don't
know if it happens.

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Speaker 1 (43:05):
All right, now, let's get into the late round dart
throws with insane upside. We'll move a little bit quicker
here and let's switch things up. Boggs, who is your
first of three league winners from rounds nine plus?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Let's go with Ricky pearsall wide receiver from the Niners
here as CCR currently, I have it as one oh eight.
I have him at eighty five overall wide receiver forty seven.
I have him at thirty seven, a lot like worthy
being my first wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Three.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
I want pearsaw as my first wide receiver four. And
I think we all saw the potential at the end
of the season when he got the snaps and targets.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Those games were huge.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
But if we do the extrapolating bit that we're not
supposed to do right, the games that he played in
at least thirty passing snaps five of them, that would
be eighty five catches, eleven hundred and fifty nine yards
and eleven touchdowns, So you see the insane upside of
a guy like this. But you know, Ayuke is back,
Jennings is still good, Kittle's healthier, we have I mean,

(44:05):
if you believe it, we have Christian McCaffrey, uh coming back,
which I will not be taking Christian McCaffrey and I
still almost pay in this show, right, uh, because because
his upside is enormous. But look, I think there are
a couple things we're missing here. Yes, those guys are
still going to be there, but Kittll's a year older?

(44:25):
Is I U the same guy coming off a major injury?
Is Pearsall just better than Jennings? I think Juwan Jennings
is great. I think he's awesome, but I also acknowledged
that Piersall might just be straight up better than him.
So we're gonna see Pearsall on the field a ton
this season. And you know, last year in Dynasty, I
was way down on this guy. I thought the draft

(44:46):
stock was great, but I was like, well, when does
he play?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Right?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Because going into the year, you had Kittle, you had CMC,
you had Ayuk and Deebo was still there, right, But
now it's so different. It's CMC and I coming off
of major injuries. Kittle is officially old. See deebo is gone,
So the situation is completely different. And I think that

(45:11):
there's a lot of upside and a lot of potential
targets for Ricky Pearsall is just where is he gonna
end up in the pick in the pecking order here,
because he could be fourth, that would not be a shock,
and I think that's kind of where you have to
think that he is going into the draft. You can't
push him too far beyond that, which is why his
ECR is post one hundred, right. But there is not

(45:32):
a hard ladder to climb here, as hard a ladder
as people would give it to if CMC is not
the same guy. And I don't trust anything the Niners
say about injured players. After all of this fiasco was
CMC last year and bilateral achilles tendonitis. They have to
go to Germany to fix right the landscape of this offense.

(45:52):
The pecking order is just different, and I think things
are getting get settled early in the season. It could
be back to Ayu Can, Kittle and CMC could be amazing.
And you know now Piersoll is fourth, fifth in the
in the pecking order, and right it's him and Jennings.
But I really think with the upside that he has
and those couple of huge games, his projections are closer

(46:13):
to I believe.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
When I was looking, I thought I wrote it down
and I didn't.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
But I believe it was somewhere around seven hundred and
eighty yards and five touchdowns, a couple injuries away from
being a two thousand yard guy in seven or eight touchdowns,
which is a great option on your bench as it
goes right now.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, I love the efficiency that piersall hired last season,
seventeenth in quarterback rating per target twenty six, as well
in fancy points per target like those are great numbers
and to me, fantasy football and the draft is a
lot like stocks, and I think his stock will be
very high. Before brand Eu gets back to full health.
You could potentially draft him, get a couple good weeks

(46:51):
from then flip him for maybe even a more promising
wide receiver or other asset down the stretch. Debro, I'm all.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
In on piersaw Man with you. Boggs. You said, where
do you have him ranked right now?

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Thirty seven among white outs?

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Okay, and you had him in the eighties, So what
it was at eighty second overall? Okay, I have him
seventy third overall and I've got him wide receiver thirty three,
So we're basically handholding, dude.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
I think we could.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
We could probably flip a lot of these guys on
the list from mine and yours.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I mean, dude, the thing that comes down to for
me is if we take the name out of it,
and you said, there is a former first round NFL
wide receiver that flashed in the finals two weeks of
pretty much a lost rookie season. A veteran wide receiver
is gone. Yes, he still has to compete with an
elite tight end. Another starting wide receiver is coming off

(47:43):
a major knee injury and he's fighting for targets in
that offense opposite a twenty seven year old breakout player.
I just feel like we're contextualizing it wrong with Ricky Pirasol.
This is the player. This is the type of player
that you embrace the risk because again, right, the price
points not high. Dude, Like even drafting him aggressively, we're

(48:05):
still talking about a wide receiver three or four on
your team. Now we're talking about him in the light
that he can outproduce this and smash these rankings. So
but the risk is already baked in, like overtly, So
like why not, dude.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, there's no downside, Like what is the downside of
drafting he doesn't work out, your draft capital is a killer.
It's not a pick that's going to ruin your season.
So if you draft him and he doesn't do anything,
you can dump him. So I really like rostering PIERSO
if I can this year.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
De bro, You're still on that rocky mountain high with
your next league winner pick late on us.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Dude, it's seven Ingram? Why the heck are we at ranking?
Depending on what you're looking at for ECR Evan Ingram's
anywhere from like tight end seven to tight end ten,
and I just why it doesn't make any sense, man.
This is a consolidated passing attack. Bo Nicks did what
he did in his rookie season. He was awesome. He's
competing with Courtland freaking Sutton for the team leading targets.

(49:06):
We've already seen top five upside from this tight end
and everybody points back to twenty twenty four and says, oh,
look at these metrics. And bluff, dude, he still did
the one thing that we all freaking care about that's
earned targets, even last year when Evan Ingram was hurt,
and might I add the first season that he's popped
up on the injury report since twenty twenty one. So

(49:28):
all this other stuff about him being injury prone that
I've also heard people talk about is also bs. Evan
Ingram has top three upside at the tight end position.
This year, He's gonna crush. He's gonna get a ton
of targets in this offense. I just don't understand where
the downside is man and the guy has shown that
type of upside target earning ability, and in the two
previous seasons before the injured twenty twenty four, he was

(49:51):
thirteenth and fourteenth, and yards per route run he was
top twelve and target chare in each of those seasons.
And I always point back to this one single metric
because if you look at this metric every single year,
it is the top shelf guys of Fantasy Royalty at
tight end and that's yards per route run against man
coverage amongst the tight ends. Before twenty twenty four, those

(50:13):
two seasons Evan Ingram fourth and eighth in that metric.
He's still got the juice guys.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Evan Ingram's twenty twenty three seasons still stands second in
all time tight end receptions for one hundred and fourteen,
so we're not that far removed from that Bogan. I
think the question is for a lot of fantasy managers,
once you get to this range, are you just waiting
and fading the tight end position? Because that's kind of
how I feel like if I don't take brock Bauers early,
which I'm not doing a lot this year, if I

(50:40):
don't get a Kittle, you know somewhere in those middle rounds,
like I'm just waiting for a Tyler Warren, for a Kincaid,
you know, a friar Me with one of these guys
way down the board. So would you stand pack and
make this decision and draft someone like Evan Ingram or
are you just kind of fading this whole tier of
tight ends?

Speaker 3 (50:57):
I mean, I just I'm with you Seth in the
fact that I just fade tight end after the top
like two or three, right, like you know it's Bowers.
I think McBride gets back on top. I still think Kittle,
you know, is the best tight end in the league.
Maybe not the best, you know, fantasy tight end obviously
that's Bowers, but just talking about overall, I think Kittle
is the best tight end in the league. So it's

(51:18):
not one of those three guys. I have Laporta and
Hawkinson locked in pretty solid at four and five, and
Kelsey in that mix as well. After that, I don't care,
like just whoever. If Ingram is your guy, great, it's Ingram,
If it's John hus Smith, if it's you know, coming
off his big year getting traded, if it's Mark Andrews.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
After we don't need John who traded man there?

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Please God, but we do not need that.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
H But but yeah, I mean, if you want to
take one of those rookies with upside, if Ingram is
your guy, though I understand it, and Ingram is proven,
I think that's the thing between him and the rookies.
The rookies have more upside. Sure maybe, but it guaranteed
absolutely not. Tight End is one of the harder positions
to come in the NFL and dominate, which is why
there's no brock Bowers in this class. Because there's no

(52:07):
brock Bowers in any class, right, it's very very rare
to have those type of guys. We want to find
a guy, but you know, we put it on the
wrong guy all the time. We put it on Pits,
whose rookie season was great. After that he's been bad.
We put it on Noah Fan didn't do anything, you
know what I mean. We put it on too many
of these guys that just don't turn out. Dalton Kinkaid

(52:29):
was the most recent one that we were saying, like, oh,
it's surely going to be amazing, and it didn't work out.
But you know, Evan Ingram is a steady eddie. So
if he's your guy, he's going so late he's going
to get a great deal. Yeah, I don't like the
tight end position overall.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
There's no reason there should be a two round discount
or a two round separation between him and T. J. Hawkins.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I agree with that. I agree with that one hundred percent. Bugs.
So let's go back to you and let's head to
Western New York for your next league winner. One of
the best stories coming out of that twenty twenty four
NFL draft cycle.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Yeah, I love Ray Davis, just such a hard nose
running back. And this one is probably the biggest reach
that I have. And this, unlike before we were talking
about sharbon A, you know, too expensive to be a handcuff,
Ray Davis is not too expensive to be a handcuff
for James Cook. And this guy has proven at many

(53:23):
places in college he had to bounce around, you know,
to Temple, to Vandy to Kentucky to finish off his
career that he can be a major contributor, and he
already has ways or passed by Johnson on the depth chart.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
James Cook is in a contract dispute right now, but
we see what playing next to Josh Allen can be
when a guy like James Cook is scoring sixteen touchdowns.
You know, if I pick a guy to score sixteen
touchdowns in a season, it's.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Never going to be James Cook. And I think James
Cook is awesome.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
But it's gonna be Derek Henry, It's gonna be Saquon
bar you know, it's gonna be Jonathan Taylor. It's not
gonna be James Cook. But because he plays next to
Josh Allen, he got in there sixteen times. This offense
is insanely potent. And if Ray Davis gets a shot
to be the guy. I think that he can be
just as good, if not better than James Cook given

(54:17):
the opportunity. And you know, he's not going I don't
think he's going to take a huge step without something
happening to Cook. But Cook is a free agent in
twenty twenty six. Maybe they want to get Ray Davis
just a little bit of a longer look, a little
more experience to take over next year because they're definitely
not extending James Cook, is what it looks like right now.
I don't And that also could get ugly going into

(54:39):
training camp.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
So there's you know, paths.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
To Ray Davis getting too big production, but I think
most of it is going to be if James Cook
gets hurt, so a nice handcuff and if he gets
the opportunity to play all those snaps, the upside is
enormous for a guy like Ray Davis. So I know
we're counting out Blake Korn on this show with debro here,
right because you know, but we got to get one

(55:04):
of those guys from last year in Ray Davis, and
I think he's a really good handcuff.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
If you draft James Cook.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, six point six rushing attempts per game last season.
I think the upside case is certainly there, and Bogman
made it in great fashion, Debro. But the other side
of that, if Cook is somehow all the way back
in here Ty Johnson still sniffing around, vulturing tight touchdowns
and receiving work, then you got a roster clogger and
Ray Davis.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yeah, I mean, I think his his ADP and things
are appropriate for me. Is the upside of the area.
I mean, dude, just look back the last year in
the two games we got great, you know, fifty percent
of the snaps, he averaged twenty touches, one hundred and
eight point five total yards. He was the RB fourteen
sign me up both of those games and weekly scoring.
So dude, when he's on.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
The field, they're giving him the ball, which I hate,
you know what I mean. It's like, Okay, Ray Davis
is out there, he's getting a handoff. The whole defense
knows it too, though, Like, you know, break him up
a little bit, get him out there on some passing
downs there something, then break them up.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
I feel like, yeah, I mean the other thing is
Buffalo could easily turn this into a thunder and lightning
kind of committee. And Davis has standalone value from day.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
One, true, true, d Bro, You've got our first quarterback
on the league winning menu. Who's next for you?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Man, It's gotta be JJ McCarthy. Dude, Like I'm getting
all high pitched here because I don't understand, Like I
keep talking about all these rankings that make no sense
to me. We all lived in a world last year
where Sam Darnold was a top ten quarterback in Fantasy, right, Well,
we all experienced that it was real, real, it happened.

(56:37):
You could pinch yourself a million times that it still happened,
QB nine and Fantasy points per game. And yet we're
ranking JJ McCarthy as a low end QB two And
I cannot make any sense out of that because it's
not just Sam Donald. You've seen Josh Dobs, You've seen
Nick Mullens. You've seen all kinds of parts of pieces

(56:58):
produce as QB one or high end QB ones depending
on the player and their skill set in this offense.
And people don't think that JJ McCarthy is going to
do that. And I feel like all they're doing is
just cementing and bias of old bad draft prospect takes
for a guy that they hated coming out, They'd love

(57:18):
to crap on every part of the process. Now he's
the starting quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings. Sorry, Aaron Rodgers,
they never wanted you, and he's going to be a
QB one. He's already a QB one in my rankings.
I'm saying it with my chest. I believe in the talent,
I believe in the situation. I believe in KOC and
I'm old enough to remember when JJ McCarthy in his
final year in college, was top twelve in passing grade

(57:42):
adjusted completion rate yards per TENTP. I'm not done there yet.
Adjust a completion rate on deep passing and also adjust
a completion rate when pressured. He offers off scriptability and
some rushing upside, both of those things Sam Darnold has
never had. JJ McCarthy is a QB one in fantasy
in twenty twenty five, and he has tuns them upside
for more.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I love it, man. I'm with you on this call
because if there's one thing I can bet on JJ McCarthy,
it's his accuracy number one the Big ten and completion
percentage in twenty twenty three number one passing efficiency rating
as well, and like also Bogman, this guy never had
great weapons. He had Colson Lovelin coming on at tight end,
and he's Roman Wilson.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
That's them and Wilson that's gonna be the savior of
the Pittsburgh Steelers. This, Oh God, everybody knows that. Look,
you're absolutely right, I am this. I'm madder at this name,
Debro that I am your I knew you were.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Gonna be salty about it, and I asked you about one,
but I would.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
I'm madder at this name that I am your next one,
which is surprising, and you guys will hear in a
second why But yeah, man JJ McCarthy just being in
a KOC offense having the weapons that he has, like
even Aaron Jones isn't dead quite. Yeah, but it's justin
Jefferson's Sjordan Addison would be a number one and so
many other teams.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
T J.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Hawkinson would be a much bigger target share guy if
he was not with Jefferson and Addison on other teams,
they get darisaw back on the offensive line. The defense
made improvements as well, Like just this whole team is
really good. This is built around him. I have him
a QB seventeen. He just don't have to take him there, right,

(59:18):
He's a low end QB two on almost every board,
so he is a smoking hot deal right now.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Yeah. A couple of months ago, I threw out a
plus five point fifty NFC North ticket for the Minnesota
Vikings on the VP NFL podcast. So feeling good about
that one now.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Absolutely, JJ McCarthy plus ten thousand for NFL MVP. I'm
just I'm not I'm just gonna throw that out there,
not saying anything else, just throwing that out there.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
All right, Boggs, you have one final league winner to
target for US today, and you're digging deep, and I
mean deep all the way down to the fifteenth round
for this one. Who he got?

Speaker 3 (59:52):
It's not that deep. It's Anthony Richardson. You know, look,
he was god awful last year. I'm I'm not sitting
here telling you that you have to have faith and
Anthony Richardson. But if he could just be a little
better at throwing the ball. The rushing upside is so
insane it still exists. The arm strength is still crazy, right,

(01:00:17):
The talent is still within Anthony Richardson. It's just putting
it all together. And we talked about it when I
talked about JT. This is how I bookend my appearance here,
right is this Colts offense has the potential to be
one of the better offenses in the NFL. With JT,
with Pittman, with Warren, with Downs, with Pierce, with Mitchell.

(01:00:39):
The O line is the weakness. If the O line
can hold up and they can have someone throw the
forward pass like just a little bit, this offense could
be insane. And Anthony Richardson at the helm. The offense
is created for him. That's why they brought in players
that have similar skill sets to him in Daniel Jones

(01:01:00):
who runs the ball, and Rightley Leonard, the rookie they
drafted out a Notre Dame. They brought in similar skill
set players because they built this entire offense around Anthony Richardson.
It's a playbook made for him. The weapons are crazy
around him. It's the biggest ifs and butts, and he
was such a failure so spectacularly last season that no

(01:01:22):
one has faith anymore, even a lot of people that
were screaming for Richardson to have this insane value last
year and most of us were right. So it's still
in there. It's just we have to pull it out.
Maybe it never comes out right. That is within the
realm of possibility. But if if this works, we are

(01:01:42):
talking insane league winners, aren't we. Anthony Richardson can be
that upside. It's still in there that we saw last year.
So yes, he failed miserably and right on his face,
and maybe he doesn't get another crack at it. That
is within the possibility as well. But if this works,
if it clicks, if Richardson starts seventeen games, he's a

(01:02:03):
QB one. I don't think that there's really a huge argument.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
I mean I was like the poster child for like, Hi,
I'm the problem. It's me with Anthony Richardson. Last season.
I was all in on this guy, and like, I
think I still was coming into this season debro until
he got the recent reports that he's revisiting doctor Neil
Latresh the Achilles factory out in LA who did that
initial shoulder procedure with him, and like I'm just good
on it now, Like I'll just I'll just take a

(01:02:29):
handcuff running back or you know, JJ McCarthy in this
round like, I'm just good on ar now I'm out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
I would rather have McCarthy as well. I mean, let's
say that for sure, but a rich is there, if
he's healthy and he can throw, he is the talent
is still in there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I think Bogman hit this on all points. Man, I'll
just echo that if Anthony Richardson is the starter for
the Colts for the entirety of the season, yes, he's
a QB one, I mean the rushing alone. Yeah, he
wasn't saying QB one status even if he still is
a future passer. I just I do worry that, like
the shoulder getting dinged up, putting him behind the eight
ball in the competition with Daniel Jones, that maybe that

(01:03:09):
creates a situation where he just can't overcome. But there's
still a path like the thing that that. The reason
that I keep the light on for Anthony Richardson is
because at the end of the day, Chris Ballard and
Shane Stikeen want to keep their jobs. Is there any way,
shape form or fashion with any runout outside of them

(01:03:29):
going to the freaking AFC Championship game. Is there any
runout with Daniel Jones starting for this team this season.
They can win ten twelve games. Is there any runout
that this that the Colts franchise allows this GM and
head coach to draft another quarterback. I don't think so.

(01:03:53):
Like for their jobs to be not safe, but for
them to have jobs in Indie Pass this season. Ay
Rich has to win this job now, Canny or will he?
We shall see. But they also have a vested interest
for this kid to pan out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Yeah, I think the ers A children will have a
little bit of a quicker leash than maybe Jim irsay,
the late great Man did himself so debro round us
out here with your third and final league winner from
round nine plus. And I hadn't do a double take
to make sure that this wasn't somehow like a fourth
Bogman selection that got crammed in here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Look, I will.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Cavey out this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
I did ask Bogman a few different times if he
was okay with me taking this name, because I did
get to the sheet and everything before him. This is
Bogman approved. I want to throw that out there. It's
a flagboo man, I don't cam'scattaboy right now in ECR
is RB forty one and I'm telling people that Tyrone

(01:04:52):
Tracy wasn't impressive. Then he wasn't good for us in
fantasy in twenty twenty four. He fumbled away the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
And I think that with the Giants selecting Cam Skataboo,
the player, the archetype that he is, they know what
they're getting. They're getting volume, they're getting tackle breaking ability,
they're getting dependability out of him. And for all the
things that Tyrone Tracy did in his rookie season, a
lot of those things that I just outlined in the
archetype of player, he didn't do. Man. He had the

(01:05:22):
twenty third most touches amongst running backs, but he was
tied for the third most fumbles. That's a problem. Brian Daveall,
if he had any hair, would have pulled it all
out every single time he put the ball on the
freaking ground. Man. I think this is not if, but
when the Cam Skataboo takes over this backfield, and if
he takes over the backfield, I mean, come on, guys.

(01:05:42):
They gave all the work to freaking Devin Singletary to
begin the year last year, then they gave all the
work to Tyrone Tracy until he fumbled it away, then
he got the job back, and then he got all
the work again. So how do we not think that
this team wants one running back to get all the work.
Now they have the guy that they can feed on
all the work too, that's not going to sit here
and put the ball on the ground. And also as

(01:06:04):
a plus in the passing game, final Collegien season top
ten and receiving grand and yards out run cam Skataboo
gets this job. Are ranking him as an RB three
RB four is gonna look blasphemous. He's gonna be a
weekly top twenty running back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
I'm with you on this one, man. I mean, Bogman
and I kind of covered pretty quick, you know, pretty
closely the final season of Skataboo's career. Actually a great
pass blocker, great pass catcher, as you alluded to. And
like I'm with you, I'm not worried about Tyrone Tracy
at all. Efficiency fell off a cliff late last season,
fumbled away those games, And like, I think that someone

(01:06:40):
like Skataboo is the perfect fit for this outside zone
gap duo approach that Brian Dable has become infamous for.
So I think the only thing that I can play
Devil's advocate with Bogs and that is my job to
play that that role. Here will a three headed backfield
with Devin Singles Terry. Still the mix still owed a

(01:07:00):
bunch of money. Make it a slow first season for
the former Arizona State Sun Devil.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I think is within the roma possibility right like Singletary
has ruined some early career James Cook, James Cook Pierce. Yeah,
Damian Pierce is now nothing thanks to Devins. Well really
thinks dam But.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
He didn't have enough juice to see here and hold
off last year.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
No, No, he didn't didn't, right, Yeah, and that's Look,
Debro is a cardinal of the cult of cam Skataboo.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
I'm the pope.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Look uh, this is I'm just trying to also play
Devil's advocate with Seth here. But look, I have this
list of stats for cam Skataboo from last year as well.
Second in rush attempts in college, second in rushing yards
eighth in yards per carry, fifth in rushing touchdowns, second
in run grade, third in yards after contact, eighth in

(01:07:53):
yards after contact per carry, fourth and explosive runs seventh
in breakaway percentage, second in first down runs eighth, and
running back receptions third, and running back receiving yards first,
and running back yards after catch ninth. In running back
yards after catch per reception, cam Skataboo is a three
down work horse back that will wear out an opposing defense.

(01:08:17):
He's not massive like Derrick Henry, but he can carry
the rock. Is the window gonna be shorten in his career?

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Probably? Right? Who cares.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Let's take this three four year burst of Cam Scataboo
and let him roll with it. I think he gets
going pretty early in the season. I think Tyrone Tracy
is a third down back. I think Cam Scattaboy is
your guy. And I do think Singletary is a little
bit too old now and is pushed back down to
the bench. So yes, of course I'm gonna approve Cam
Skataboo being on this list, and he would have been

(01:08:46):
on here if Debro had not taken him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Say for all the draft capital Zela's as well, Cam
Scataboo got better draft capital than him freaking Tyrone Tracy,
So you can't even move on that either.

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