May 14, 2025 • 45 mins
John Middlekauff dives into this weekend's PGA Championship by talking about the history of the courses the PGA Championship has been played at. Next, John dives into the top contenders heading into the weekend, and who he likes in the Top 3. Later, John gives you his best picks for this weekend's tournament.
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The volume. What is going on, everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoff with a little gol podcast because today we
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are going and diving into the second major of the year.
We got Rory McElroy won the Masters to get the
Grand Slam. The only way to do that, he's got
to win. This week. We got Bryson a lot of
momentum from YouTube to the Masters. The dude's been balling.
Scottie Scheffler a couple weeks ago got his first win
of the season. So we're gonna talk gambling, We're gonna
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and she doesn't quite understand. She's like, there's a season
ever end, and like, yeah, this isn't like football. They
play every single weekend. But there are four tournaments that
separate from the pack. And you know, she's a football gal.
So I equated that there are basically four super Bowls
and they're called the Majors. And let's face it, I
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would say Augusta, at least for US in America, is
by far the number one golf tournament. I think you
could make an argument on on what is the second
biggest major. I have a soft spot for the US Open.
It's the first golf tournament I ever attended as a kid.
I think it was was it ninety seven or ninety
eight at Olympic Club. My dad and his buddy Jerry
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took me and my friend Travis. I remember they went
off on their own. We went off on our own.
We followed John Daily. I remember Da Points. I remember
watching him t off. I think Lee Jansen ended up winning.
That was a tournament. Yeah, it would have been ninety
eight because Payne Stewart had a really really good chance
to win, and then he were to win the next
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week or the next year against Phil Mickelson. But to me,
when I think the US opened the challenge of it,
typically at some of these venues, you know, even Parr,
sometimes even over Parr was winning it. I'm a sucker
for that. And obviously the Open Championship, there's just something
historic about you know, where golf was invented, They've been
playing it for hundreds of years. The elements that come
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into play, the golf courses look so much different than
anything we have beside a couple tracks over here, and
this thing falls in its own little category. And I
want to start before we dive in to just what
I think. Obviously, the top three contenders, the guys at
the top of the betting board, I think this tournament.
You know, I listen to a lot of golf content.
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People often ask like, what are the football shows you
listen to. I'm like, I don't, really, I don't take
in that much football content. I do take in a
lot of golf content, and I think it's probably like
this with football. But I think sometimes the golf media
can almost be too close to the sun. Listen. I
understand that some of these courses, the distance and most
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people that I would consider, you know, golf media are
big on the roll back. I'm like, I don't know
if the actual consumer really cares that much. Honestly, I
don't think it matters, and I think they're very very
hard on this tournament and the courses. You know, last
year Valhalla got crushed by most people involved that get
paid to talk about golf. This year, I think a
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lot of people just like you know, we go to
this venue every single year, Quayhallo at Wells Fargo, I
don't have as big of an issue with it. I
think it's very very difficult to follow Augusta so like
they're gonna play in random tournaments. There's no easy way
to do this. Now. If you wanted to argue Valhalla,
never go back there. I'm not going to argue with you.
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But Quayohlo Ironomic, which is next year, is in Philadelphia,
And when I worked for the Eagles, my brother Jeff
had come to visit and we went to the tournament,
and at the time, I think it was Tiger's tournament
in either twenty ten or eleven. I thought that track's
pretty cool, Like I'm not going to complain about that.
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Next year is at pg or in twenty seven's at
PGA Frisco. Then Olympic Club in twenty eight which they
have redone, which I don't think anyone ever complains about
playing an Olympic Club, Like, I think they're doing the
best they can. There is no perfect venue for this tournament.
I also think people underestimate how difficult it is for
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private clubs to give up their course to a tournament
like this. And you know, especially at this time of
the year, depending on where you're at, like if you're
in the Northeast, like golf is just starting again and
you're giving up the first couple of weeks for your
members to play, and if it's in a nicer area,
like the members aren't able to participate. And that was
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a big issue with LA Country Club a couple of
years ago. It's like the membership wouldn't let that many
people on the venue, and it's like, yeah, this is
complicated now. If you want to argue, like why don't
they just put the PGA Championship at Pebble Beach every
single year? I don't know who would push back on
that right. I mean people have talked forever put the
PGA chan or put the FedEx Championship at Pebble Beach.
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I also think it's probably a little more difficult to
get Pebble Beach, which is charged currently like nine hundred
dollars around uh to give up their course for a while.
You know. So a lot of people are so down
on the venues in this tournament. I gotta be honest
with you, Like you tell me the PGA Championships being played,
they could be playing in my backyard. I'm gonna watch.
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I don't have as big of a problem with it.
Let's dive into the top three contenders because I listen.
Jordan Spieth was quoted last week talking to Rory McElroy
when Rory said, looking forward to watch you try to
get the join me at the Career Grand Slam next week,
and then Jordan responded, you mean it, Rory country Club.
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Rory dominates at this course. He has won here several times.
He won last year in a duel against Xander Schoffley,
who would go on to win two of the next
three majors. He fucking drubbed him. On Sunday, I looked
up today because I remember watching it. I mean, he destroyed.
They were in the last group. It was basically match
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play and Rory shot sixty five and one by five
strokes and it just felt like God, the momentum Rory
had going into Postmasters, like Valhalla, the US Open, the
British You're like, I think Rory might win too, the
next three Majors, and it was actually Xander who would
go on to win the following week, but I think Rory,
Like you could argue Rory and Bryson are a true
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coin flip this week. I've never been to this course.
It is clearly going to benefit the longer hitters. And
I was listening to I went for a walk today
and No laying up had a preview on the PGA
Championship and Sally's really good with numbers, and he was
saying the season currently that Bryson is having driving is
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one of the greatest driving seasons we've ever seen. And
I think sometimes with golf, I was just playing in
this member guest last week and by the second day,
we're in this group with these guys and they're they're fun,
they're older, and by like the third or fourth hole,
you play five nine hole matches and we're on like
whole three or four. It actually, yeah, it might have
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been the third hole we played. And now look at
Mark who Again, this guy was a college quarterback, he's
an athlete, he's a scratch golfer, and I go, this
dude we're playing, can play like you think he played
college golf. Like this guy clearly was once a good golfer.
Then a couple holes later I kind of make a comment,
I'm like, did you play in college? And he kind
of laughs, He's like, yeah, it was Phil Mickelson's roommate
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from eighty eight to ninety two. And you're like, God, no,
this guy's a stick. And sometimes you can just watch
a guy play, especially live, and you go, this guy's
really really good. I think if you've scouted Bryson through
the YouTube, if you just watch the tournaments. I'm or,
not the tournaments, but his videos, even if you watch
the break fifty when he's playing the red Definitely, if
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you watch the random and I've been saying this for
a while, when he just goes to random courses and
tries to break the course record, if you just watch
him tee off, how reliable that power draw is going
three forty. I mean it is a weapon. And obviously
Rory is I think, widely considered the greatest driver in
the history of the sport. Whatever Bryson is currently doing,
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he's a menace. Now, his irons, especially at the Masters,
a little off, you would say, Rory with his irons
a little on. I would be stunned if one of
these two guys doesn't win. Honestly, if there was a bet,
and I look there isn't, I would have no problem
putting like ten thousand dollars on one of these two.
Being like a lock top five. I think it would
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be stunning if comes Sunday one of these two guys
doesn't even either have the lead or is in one
of the last two groups. Like this course I saw today,
I follow a decent amount of like caddies on the
PGA tourches on Instagram, and Aaron Fleener, who is JT
Postin's caddy, who's a Kentucky guy, big sports guy, was
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just walking down the fairway and he's like pretty sweet
conditions and his feet were just going basically like a
couple of inches underwater. I mean, it has been soaked
out there, it's been raining. Well, what benefits do you
have by hitting it far in the air, carrying it
three hundred and thirty three hundred and forty yards, Well,
anyone knows it's played in the rain, the ballink gonna roll.
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So that is a huge advantage to these guys. You know,
Bryson when he was on the PGA Tour had played
well at this course. Obviously, Rory has dominated here. I mean,
he's won here several times. He's just very comfortable in
this moment. I also think there's just there's a little
extra pressure that's just off him, you know. I mean, whatever,
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he slayed at the Masters, which is one of the
craziest Sunday roller coaster rounds in the history of golf,
especially for a guy that wins up winning it in
extra holes. I mean, honestly, what he was the equivalent
I Vanderveld in whatever year that was ninety nine ninety
eight would have won, because people forget Vandervelt went to
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the playoff. If Vandervelt would have won the four hole playoff,
that would have been the equivalent of what Rory did.
Except Rory had all the baggage of the last decade
and the previous wins that he carried with him in
that playoff against Justin Rose and the thing with Bryson.
I don't know if it's just simply YouTube, but I
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do think it's fair to say that world has changed
the guy's life. It's taken a pressure of everyone just
thinking the guy was a loser, geek, douchebag. And listen,
I don't know the guy. I know people that know him.
He's a Fresno I mean's not a kid anymore, but
that's where he grew up. I have a lot of
second and third people in my life that just you know,
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either grew up playing golf around him, knew him when
he was a kid, and listen, if golf is your life.
I always defended Tiger when he got in the situation,
you know, personally in his life, Like how come pro
athletes and other sports can handle like cheating scandals a
little more small. It's because when you hang out with
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Michael Jordan or Charles Barkley or some of these quarterbacks
and the people Tiger was running around with. Two things.
One they're the cool kid from the moment they're like twelve,
and two they're used to being around a lot of
other human beings. They're on a team, whereas a golfer
you are isolated. You're by yourself and Tiger. You know,
back when Tiger came up, golf wasn't even cool. And
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Bryson is like a NERD's nerd. But it's a very
isolated profession where Michael Jordan, even if he is just
into his own shit, he's still around other human beings
a lot, and he's dependent on other guys. I mean,
he passed to Steve curda win the NBA Championship, right,
he passed to John Paxson to win an NBA championship.
It's on Rory, it's on Bryson. And I just wonder
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if the break fifty playing with Tom and Stafford and
Romo and Trump. I don't know. It's just made Bryson
the perception around him feel a little bit different, which
has taken made him feel little bit different because he
has been a dominant bright lights guy. I mean, going
back to start in twenty twenty four, ted six in
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the Masters, he finished second in the PGA, and if
Xander misses on eighteen on whole seventy two, they're in
a playoff in the PGA. Last year of Valhalla, he
wins the US Open. He's t five this year in
the Masters, and honestly didn't even play that good on
Saturday and Sunday with his irons, Like you put the
lights on the brightest, this guy's gonna I mean, if
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he was a basketball players like Jalen Brunson, he's scoring
thirty five, you know. And I think him and Rory,
if you told me this is like the US Open
last year, if this is like the Masters this year,
it says these two's going at it, I think it's
very believable. And yeah, I mean I think that I
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think the winner's coming from one of those two other
those two guys. When it comes to Scotty, I definitely
look at him a little bit differently because it's been
a weird start to the season after he cut his
hand making the raviolis, which is a little bit of
a bizarre story. But he's you give him the benefit
of doubt. You know, anyone that knows a few people
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knows that that story a couple of years ago, when
Dustin Johnson fell down the stairs, you know, got red
flagged by a lot of human beings. This story, you know,
because it's him family guy, you know, pretty serious cat like.
I don't think a lot of people red flagged it.
I'm just a human being who's been around the block.
Just seemed a little bit different. I don't know what
he would have been doing, but it clearly got him
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off to a weird start. And then a couple of
weeks ago he plays in the tournament against kind of
randoms and he beats a living piss out of him.
I just don't know if this is his ideal event.
He does not play this course typically when it's you know,
he doesn't enter the Wells Fargo. That's not really his jam.
I think the last time he played it was twenty
twenty two in the President's Cup. I actually love him.
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In a month at Oakmont, I think Scotta Cheff gonna
win the US Open. I'm actually, if I win a
little money this week, I will have no problem putting
like four figures on him immediately to win the US Open,
even if he finishes like tenth or eighth or twelfth
in this tournament. But listen, I think you have to
have a little exposure to him. He's got it. I
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think when it's all said and done, gonna go down
as an all time great, but like this specific venue,
this specific week with the rain, those guys are just
longer than him. Not that Scotty's not long, but I
think he's clearly three of the three big dogs going
into this weekend. And again like it's not taking anything
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away from him. I would expect him to win multiple
times the rest of the season, and I think he's
the heavy favorite over Bryson and Rory at Oakmont here
in a month. I think the other names that you
got to really like are this guy has you know,
we've seen guys go in the wilderness. You know, Speace
spend in the wilderness. Max Homas kind of currently in
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the wilderness relative to like their stature. Justin Thomas a
couple of years ago was struggling to break eighty at
Majors and this guy this year, I don't know if
it was just relaxing a little bit, changing his putter. Uh,
just he has a kid, maybe Tiger gave him some advice.
Whatever it is he is bawling. He easily could have
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three wins this season. I mean he is a miss
putt and a squirrely drive from winning that tournament in
regulation last week, let alone just a missputt away from
being in a playoff against Epstraca, and clearly he had
won whatever the previous signature event at the RBC. JT
is playing fantastic golf now that Scotty's kind of got
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his groove back. You could argue more than Mori Cowa.
You know right that Bryson's going to be on the
Ryder Cup. But Scotty, Bryson and JT as our lead
dogs right now for the Americans that you know give
you confidence going in to this fall. But I he
won here in twenty seventeen. He is gonna be very
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comfortable here. He's already won this trophy twice. I don't
love him necessarily to win, but I feel very very
confident putting a top ten bet on Justin Thomas Xander,
you know, unlike Scotty, like he legitimately just had a
rib injury, which I would imagine when you're swinging out
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of your ass as all these pros are now trying
to get however many miles an hour ball speed in
the one eighties, it got to be pretty painful. Hell,
even any movements when you have a golf swing, if
you have a rib injury, it can't feel good, but
he is trending, and to me, like JT, feels like
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a lock to be in the mix. And unlike these
other guys you know, to get Rory's four and a
half five to one, even Bryson now is under ten
to one, Scotty's four to one, right, so you can
get Xander at over twenty to one if Xander had
not been injured and just been playing like he did
last year. To me, Xander's number is probably like twelve
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thirteen to one, but that also means top fives and
top tens. He started getting his groove back at the
Masters T eight, RBC T eighteen last week T eleven.
Another guy that bombs it again was right there with
Rory last year, coming on Sunday at this golf course.
I like JT and Xander a lot, so to me,
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we'll get into the bets here in a second. A
couple other guys you know to top twenty would be
guys like Kdeki ball striker Deep anyone that saw the
viral photo of him putting in the torrential rainstorm. Not
quite sure that that translates to like Thursday, Friday and Saturday,
but I'm just a sucker for Adeki. I do think
Lowry and Fleetwood wouldn't shock me if one of those
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guys top ten. I mean, Fleetwood plays on all in
the majors. Lowry's been excellent this season. I definitely like
both guys to top twenty. My one long shot because
people sometimes tweet at me or DM me like who's
your long I don't really do long shots in the
majors anymore. Look at who has competed the Masters, you
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can a little bit. But to me, when it comes
to the PGA and the US Open, moving forward, like
I'm going with the horses and Gary Woodland, I saw
this clip that he did with Dan Rappaport where he
said that Quail Hollow is his favorite course on the
PGA Tour. He has finished top ten at Quail Hollow
multiple times in his career, and he's also really long.
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I think he's top ten in driving this season. He
is just He's a guy who's proven to play well
at tough golf courses over the course of his career.
But when it comes to length, you can get a
top twenty. For Gary Woodland at plus four point fifty,
you can get a top thirty at plus two five.
So to me, when you just look at DraftKings odds
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for a guy you know again top twenty, top thirty,
top forty even has plus odds, He's the only guy
that I feel comfortable under, Like you know, Fleetwood, Hadeki,
some of those guys are thirty forty to one range
and then obviously the top five top tens work off
from there. But Gary's the one guy with much longer
odds that I'm gonna mess with a little bit. My
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betting card goes is this, I'm gonna have action on
Rory and Bryson. I just I respect him too much.
I put a little on Scottie as well, just because
you don't want to like Saturday or Sunday and Scotty
Sipher the league like of course, he's one of the
great players of his generation. And it's you know, Rory
and Bryson because again, it's a golf tournament. So you
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have a stretch on a Thursday or Friday. If you're
Bryson and Rory hit a couple shitty shots, all of
a sudden, you go double bogie and you're just way behind.
Like it's it's hard to play ketchup a little bit,
but I'm taking all three of them to outright. The
one guy I hammered the top five Scotty and Rory
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are don't have good odds. The top five Bryson I
got I think plus one thirty to top five. I
hammered that Justin Thomas hammered a top ten, have some
top I have a top ten parlay which could pay
out pretty big. Again, it's hard because you got three
guys in the top ten, but ties at DraftKings count.
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Justin Thomas, Xander, Schoffley, and Fleetwood have another one with
Xander to win, JT to top ten. I have some
parlays with like Bryson to win Xander to top five,
A Decky to top twenty. Shane Lowry's a guy that
I dabbled a little bit to top ten. I have
some Scotty win with Xander and JT. So I'm basically
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just sticking to six seven guys. I am not messing
with randoms like maybe this is Sam Burns, maybe this
is even Ludvig's playing like sit Off, John Rahm, Marikawa Off.
So I'm sticking with the same six or seven horses
and just letting you ride. If they all have bad weeks,
I'm screwed. If we get three or four of them
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in the mix, I'm cooking with gas. So other than that,
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Let's answer a couple questions really quick at golopod at
golopod is the Instagram fire. In those dms, we will
start with with Reed. Been listening to you and Colin
for five plus years. Question for the pod. I've played
a lot of classic gems like Pebble Stadium, Chambers, Gamble Sands,
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never been there. But my favorite is paying around one
fifty for a killer under the Raider course. Like Raven
was curious, if you have a bang for your buck
group of West Coast courses. If you haven't played Wine
Valley in Washington, plan to do so someday. Absolute steel
and tons of wineries to keep the wife busy. Also
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love the never bet can't ley take? The guy is terrible?
Watch I there is. You know, he's a guy that's
actually playing pretty good golf. But like re just said,
there is no conceivable way that I would ever put
money on him he can win. I'm cool with not
win any money. I'm not watching or rooting for him.
The one thing in Arizona, for example, if you can
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handle the heat, the price drops dramatically, so you can
play all the sweet public courses. I'm playing tomorrow at
Desert Ridge. It's a I think Nick Faldo designed them both,
and I think I'm playing for like one hundred and
thirty bucks, and that's of course, in I don't know, December,
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that's probably three hundred and twenty bucks. Now it's not
worth three hundred and twenty bucks, but all these courses
the price drops that you can play around here for
most courses under two hundred bucks. Again, if you can
handle the heat. In northern California, I would say this
for really cheap. You can play Chardonnay in Eagle Vines,
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which is ten minutes away from Napa. I think technically
it's in Napa, but like downtown Napa, it's like ten
fifteen minutes away. When I lived in Walnut Creek in
like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, those are like
my home courses because it was like twenty minutes away.
I could go in the afternoon and play for like
forty to fifty bucks and I just listen. They're not
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perfectly maintained, but they're in the heart of wine country,
just really really cool. Another sneaky gem is in Livermore,
California called wenty gets a little windy, but again the
in the wine country, I think it's a little price here.
I haven't played it in years, but it's actually a
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pretty solid track. So I'm with you. When you can
find a gem for like under one hundred and fifty dollars,
you're like, this is a pretty well maintained track. I'm
all over it. What happened to sobol loved him on
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So when we have Stucky on, we have a partnership
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at the volume. So those guys he used to come on,
it was all under the kind of one umbrella here,
and then he left the Action Network to do other stuff.
So once he left, it became like I couldn't just
have him on just out of the goodwill. You know,
he's got other stuff to do. He's got a serious show,
(28:53):
and I think he's writing for MGM, So I think
there were some conflicts of you know, who supports the
show gambling wise, But I'm with you. I text them
probably a month ago. Sobles demand Quail Hollow may end
up being a great venue, but I find it a
letdown to have a major at a yearly PGA Tour venue.
I know Pebble has a yearly PGA Tour event, but
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Quail Hollow does not have the same prestige as Pebble.
I know the US Open has swooped up some great
courses for their anchor sites, but there are some amazing
famous courses in the USA that could be good venues.
What courses do you think would make good PGA championship venues?
This is what I was talking about. You know, you
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have to convince these unreal private courses. One, some of
these private courses, Like, there's a couple of private courses
right down the street from me. There is Silverlief, which
is really prestigious and expensive. There is Whisper Rock, which
a ton of the pros play at. There's Astancia. None
(29:57):
of these courses are hard enough to host an event,
for example in Arizona. And two there's not like a
setup where you could get fans there. So some of
these courses, and who knows, maybe they wouldn't even be
interested in giving it away for their members. There are
a lot of variables that come into play. Because I'm
with you, there are probably some badass country clubs all
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over the nation that would be awesome. One are they
long enough because if they're not, these guys will fucking
annihilate them. And two if they are either long enough
or you could create a difficult setup. Is the course
willing to give their course to the tour or the
PGA for a while and basically have the members be like, yeah,
(30:42):
take my course for a month, because some of these courses,
depending on where they are, are only open six seven
months a year. So if I basically take one of
those months away, the membership like, I'm still cutting checks fordws,
you know. So it's not it's more complicated than I think.
(31:02):
The way we just casually talk about it, it just
doesn't bother me as much. It's not gonna be a
hill I'm gonna die on when it comes to people
freaking out. But yeah, there are probably countless courses that
would be badass. I do think an underrated part is
can you get fans into the site? Does it fit
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for fans? Because La Country Club actually kind of did,
but the membership was like, we ain't letting, we ain't
letting the pores on this course. Randos ain't stepping foot
on here. And your Boy's probably the most prestigious course
I've ever played. And I got some direct orders before
(31:46):
we showed up of like six things like these are
the dues and don'ts, and then once you got there,
it's actually a little more chill. Like after we played,
we had beers in the clubhouse. It was it wasn't
as stiff as you think. But the members as a whole,
we're not gonna let people just on the course, and
that's I don't think it's any different than a lot
of these tracks. People don't realize, like August does not
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open twelve months a year. I think for the membership,
it's it's only opened a small percentage of the year,
five or six months. So these courses, for most of us,
we view it like, yeah, play whenever we want. It's
not really like that a lot of places, especially depending
on the weather. Been listening three and now Big Dolphins
(32:33):
Fan and Big Golf in curious what's in the golf bag?
Can you go through in detail what you carry play with.
I saw this when I was getting ready for the
show because I take screenshots so it's easy to bang
out the mail bag. That might be a good video
I actually got. It's in the garage, but it's called
(32:56):
the it's a Bushnell foresight, so it's not it's in
the track man world. It's not. I mean it was not.
I mean track Man's like twenty grand. This was eighteen
hundred or whatever. But every time I go to the
range now, I take this thing with me and I
just see how far I hit it, and especially with driver,
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you see how far how hard your ball speed is.
It's incredible change my life, even though the ball doesn't
go any straighter, but you can't go to the driving
range without it. That might be a pretty good YouTube video.
I might have to bang that out sometime this summer.
I gotta get back on the golf courses. I have
it on camera. Question for the mailbag, do you think
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there's a lot of pressure on Ludwig to win a
major this year? I know he's still young, but he's
talked about to be the next face of the tour.
He's twenty five, and many other players on tour right
now had better success at the same age. Scotti is
also only twenty eight. I don't see him topping him
anytime soon. Huge fan of the game, but I feel
like he will be another guy who doesn't live up
(33:59):
to the high. I still think he's a great player
who will have success. I just think the conversation he's
in right now is a little premature. I think that's
natural in sports. I mean, I think that's true in football.
I mean, before he ever played a snap, we had
Caleb Williams the top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I think Jayden Daniels one season we have him as
a Hall of Famer. It's it's just our I mean,
it's it was crazy like Jokics, they did the opposite.
They kept beating ups, like guys, have you guys watched
this guy play and it took him like multiple MVPs
and playing in all these games. People like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's awesome. But it's hard to prove yourself. I mean,
(34:38):
people are nitpicking. I know, he just tore his achilles,
But Jason Tatum won a championship. People are like, how
good is he? You know, Jalen. It happens with our athletes.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
So I.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Think it's just part for the course. And in golf,
you know, you can make a lot of money winning
a tournament here and there, finishing high and just rake
in eight to ten million dollars a year on the
course every year and whatever. Probably I'm just guessing five
off when you're making fifteen to twenty million dollars every
single year and you look back over a ten year span,
(35:12):
you're like, I was, I made a ton of money,
but maybe I didn't win a major. And we've seen
a lot of guys over the years. You know, Sergio
Garcia and Adam Scott were two of the best players
on the PGA Tour for a long period of time.
They were elite talents, elite and it took them late
in their careers to win a major. Right, So, I mean,
Justin Rose is one of the great talents of his era,
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and his era spans multiple errors. He's got one major.
So it's you can be an like all time great strong.
You can be a great player. And if you're a
betting man and I think Ludwig, like you said, stud
is he more likely to have like an Adam Scott
Justin Rose type career or is he more likely to
be Scottie Scheffler. You'd say he's probably more likely to
(35:55):
be like Adam Scott. And there's nothing wrong with that.
You fly in private jets, you live in multiple big houses.
Like his career is gonna go great, but I mean,
the chance is he's just gonna beat everybody constantly. You
could not say that now but then once it happens
like I don't know if four or five years ago
(36:15):
you would have said that about Bryson, and then Bryson
figured it out. Now, Bryson was younger when he came out.
Here's the thing, here's a good example with Bryson. Let's
just use the top three guys in this Bryson, Rory,
and Scotty. If it was the NFL or the NBA,
those guys would one be number one picks. Bryson would
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have been like a Cooper Flagger, a Caleb Williams ton
of hype more than even Rory. To me, Bryson would
have been one of the most hyped collegiate golfers coming
out to the pros if it was a team sport
in a long time. I would say Scotty would have
been a pretty big one too, But so would Ludvig.
Like Ludwig, if you put him in use that exam
(37:00):
sample is a number one overall pick. Right, so's Colin
Morikawa and Victor Hovlin. Like golf's heart. The golf is
because you can dominate and play well and finish fourth
a lot. And he did win a tournament this year.
Is he gonna win a major this year. I mean,
based on the way he's playing. Like to me, he's
a stay away right now and I love gambling on him,
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but he's just a little Squorely.
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At what point does the Ryder Cup start building for
the future and bring in some young guys who might
not be at the top of the rankings. Young players
have been huge for Europe, like Ludwig McIntyre, the Hoyguards,
and it helps them get used to the environment and
pressure and sets them up for future success. I personally
would much rather see Matt McNeely, Novak or Ben Griffin
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than someone like Wyndham Clark, Glover or Harmon. I agree
with you. I do think that decision is easier to
make if you're like an old captain, if you're like
Jim Furick or you know, Phil Mickelson. I know he's
not a captain or probably will ever be now with
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LIV stuff, but a guy like that in his fifties,
who's well established. Keegan Bradley is not going to be
thinking about any of that. You know, I think this
is the wrong captain for that mindset. Keegan Bradley is
not going to be caught up in we need this
guy to get reps for the next three Ryder Cups.
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He is going to pick this team like Belichick sets
the fifty three for a playoff game. All that matters
is winning this playoff game. All Malcolm Butler stood on
the side. I'm mad you. I mean, Keagan is going
to be thinking so short term and rightfully, so I
don't blame him because he wins this. He's a legend.
(39:07):
I mean, so he's thinking less about you know. Was
it Potty Harrington the European Ryder Cup captain? Was it
the President's Cup? Whoever was the whenever Zach Johnson got
his ass kicked? Like Zach Johnson would have been a
good guy to be, like, let's pick some r Keagan
is not going to do that. Zero chance. I'm drawing
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a correlation between Tiger and Michael. People say MJ's era
was the golden age of the NBA and golf. Certainly
hasn't had a star reach, hasn't had a star reach
Tiger's level of fame since his prime. I would agree
to follow mj The NBA had guys like Kobe, Lebron
and Steph to take up the mantle post Michael. What's
your take on how golf has dealt with its post
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Tiger evolution? Do you feel the players taking the reins
can be icons of the sport like Kobe, Lebron and
Steph love the show. Okay, we're gonna end on this.
I think it is very, very difficult to get to
the stature like Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods are all
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time outliers. If you did a mount rushmore of most famous,
most accomplished athletes, you could argue those two guys in
the history of America. You could argue that both of
them should be on it. So it's like they there
aren't many before and there won't be many after, even
like Kobe wasn't Michael, Like I don't know anyone in
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my life, Like in my actual life, it says Lebron
over Michael. I love Steph and he's a way more
enjoyable watch than Lebron for me. But like he's just
not quite that. And I think all those guys, though,
like you said, are huge and they're worldwide. I think
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the closest thing the tour has to that is Rory.
And I think when you look back at the history
of the game in my life in golf, you'd say
Arnold Palmer is right. I think he's right up there
with Tiger is the most famous golfer of all time.
But a huge part of his fame is like the business, right,
I mean, hell, the drink. Can I get an Arnold Palmer?
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I mean it's like can I get a Jack and Coke?
Can I get a Tito soda? I mean it's when
you have a drink. Call anyone listening that's in the
beer or beverage business. That's a powerful thing. Like one
of the things that makes Tito so popular obviously it's
good vodka. It's easy to say, and I was taught
this a long time ago, like can I get a
(41:42):
Tito soda? It's just very very easy to say. I mean,
the easiest to say of all time is a Jack
and coke. I'm not a big whiskey guy, but it's
hard to beat that, right, And Arnold Palmer became iconic
that way, and I would say Greg Norman, while he's
known for choking and I mean he's one of the
great talents of all time, his clothing line took them
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to another level. So when you look at the guys now,
I would say Rory is pretty iconic right now. And
he's an international star. He's closer to me to like
a soccer star or one of the tennis stars like
Rafa Nadal or I'm not putting Rory over Messi, but
those guys transcend the countries, and that's what Rory has done.
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And I would say Bryson, using some of those examples
of like you know, when you think Steph Curry, you
think three pointers, when you think Kobe, you think Mamba
like things are associated with them, I would say Bryson
with the YouTube thing is really worked for him. So
to me, those guys are bigger than Scotty in terms
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of the way you're saying. But I think anyone beside
Rory has a long way to go, and I don't
think any of them are clipsing Tiger. I think we
would be hard pressed to see anything even remotely close
to Tiger, Like we're not seeing another Michael Jordan, but
we have seen, like you said, things that are enormous.
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I mean, I think by far the biggest is Rory.
You know, speed hasn't been good in forever and then
even like like the Xanders and the Jts, like it's
not even in the same world. So I think Rory
in the Bryson start them on the internet as has
taken them to another level. And to me, if Bryson
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can win, you know, I think, say Rory and Bryson,
you know, Bryson's the same amount of majors as Scotty.
If it's all said and done, Bryson can win like
seven or eight majors, Like it'd be a really big deal.
And if you told me right now, like who would
you bet on winning more majors over the next five years,
Bryson or Scotty, that's not an easy thing to answer.
I think that's a coin flip and it wouldn't shock
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me at all if Bryson wins more and who knows
whenever ends ends like and they get back together. So
I also think it's easier to make superstars. You know,
It's like John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Faarr, Peyton, Manning,
Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, you know basketball now,
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Jokich and Luca and Cooper Flag. It's kind of easy
to make stars in team sports, Shoeyotani, Bryce Harper, Mike Trout,
like it's just Aaron Judge. Golf's a little harder, you know,
because you can't a huge part of the brand sometimes
is like the team. So it's like, Damn, I played
for the Yankees and I'm a star. I play for
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the Lakers and I'm a star. Right in golf, Like,
you gotta produce, you gotta dominate at the highest level.
And that's what Jack did, That's what Arnie did, That's
what Tiger did, and that's what Phil did for a
long time. And I think Rory, Bryce and Scotty. Scotty's
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got a lot. I don't think Scotty would ever be
on the level of the other two, but I think
Rory and Bryson can be pretty freaking big when it's
all said and done. Thanks for listening. Enjoy the golf tournament.
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The volume. What is going on, everybody? How are we doing?
John Middlecoff with a little gol podcast because today we
(00:23):
are going and diving into the second major of the year.
We got Rory McElroy won the Masters to get the
Grand Slam. The only way to do that, he's got
to win. This week. We got Bryson a lot of
momentum from YouTube to the Masters. The dude's been balling.
Scottie Scheffler a couple weeks ago got his first win
of the season. So we're gonna talk gambling, We're gonna
(00:43):
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(02:30):
and she doesn't quite understand. She's like, there's a season
ever end, and like, yeah, this isn't like football. They
play every single weekend. But there are four tournaments that
separate from the pack. And you know, she's a football gal.
So I equated that there are basically four super Bowls
and they're called the Majors. And let's face it, I
(02:52):
would say Augusta, at least for US in America, is
by far the number one golf tournament. I think you
could make an argument on on what is the second
biggest major. I have a soft spot for the US Open.
It's the first golf tournament I ever attended as a kid.
I think it was was it ninety seven or ninety
eight at Olympic Club. My dad and his buddy Jerry
(03:16):
took me and my friend Travis. I remember they went
off on their own. We went off on our own.
We followed John Daily. I remember Da Points. I remember
watching him t off. I think Lee Jansen ended up winning.
That was a tournament. Yeah, it would have been ninety
eight because Payne Stewart had a really really good chance
to win, and then he were to win the next
(03:37):
week or the next year against Phil Mickelson. But to me,
when I think the US opened the challenge of it,
typically at some of these venues, you know, even Parr,
sometimes even over Parr was winning it. I'm a sucker
for that. And obviously the Open Championship, there's just something
historic about you know, where golf was invented, They've been
playing it for hundreds of years. The elements that come
(03:59):
into play, the golf courses look so much different than
anything we have beside a couple tracks over here, and
this thing falls in its own little category. And I
want to start before we dive in to just what
I think. Obviously, the top three contenders, the guys at
the top of the betting board, I think this tournament.
You know, I listen to a lot of golf content.
(04:21):
People often ask like, what are the football shows you
listen to. I'm like, I don't, really, I don't take
in that much football content. I do take in a
lot of golf content, and I think it's probably like
this with football. But I think sometimes the golf media
can almost be too close to the sun. Listen. I
understand that some of these courses, the distance and most
(04:43):
people that I would consider, you know, golf media are
big on the roll back. I'm like, I don't know
if the actual consumer really cares that much. Honestly, I
don't think it matters, and I think they're very very
hard on this tournament and the courses. You know, last
year Valhalla got crushed by most people involved that get
paid to talk about golf. This year, I think a
(05:07):
lot of people just like you know, we go to
this venue every single year, Quayhallo at Wells Fargo, I
don't have as big of an issue with it. I
think it's very very difficult to follow Augusta so like
they're gonna play in random tournaments. There's no easy way
to do this. Now. If you wanted to argue Valhalla,
never go back there. I'm not going to argue with you.
(05:29):
But Quayohlo Ironomic, which is next year, is in Philadelphia,
And when I worked for the Eagles, my brother Jeff
had come to visit and we went to the tournament,
and at the time, I think it was Tiger's tournament
in either twenty ten or eleven. I thought that track's
pretty cool, Like I'm not going to complain about that.
(05:49):
Next year is at pg or in twenty seven's at
PGA Frisco. Then Olympic Club in twenty eight which they
have redone, which I don't think anyone ever complains about
playing an Olympic Club, Like, I think they're doing the
best they can. There is no perfect venue for this tournament.
I also think people underestimate how difficult it is for
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private clubs to give up their course to a tournament
like this. And you know, especially at this time of
the year, depending on where you're at, like if you're
in the Northeast, like golf is just starting again and
you're giving up the first couple of weeks for your
members to play, and if it's in a nicer area,
like the members aren't able to participate. And that was
(06:33):
a big issue with LA Country Club a couple of
years ago. It's like the membership wouldn't let that many
people on the venue, and it's like, yeah, this is
complicated now. If you want to argue, like why don't
they just put the PGA Championship at Pebble Beach every
single year? I don't know who would push back on
that right. I mean people have talked forever put the
PGA chan or put the FedEx Championship at Pebble Beach.
(06:56):
I also think it's probably a little more difficult to
get Pebble Beach, which is charged currently like nine hundred
dollars around uh to give up their course for a while.
You know. So a lot of people are so down
on the venues in this tournament. I gotta be honest
with you, Like you tell me the PGA Championships being played,
they could be playing in my backyard. I'm gonna watch.
(07:17):
I don't have as big of a problem with it.
Let's dive into the top three contenders because I listen.
Jordan Spieth was quoted last week talking to Rory McElroy
when Rory said, looking forward to watch you try to
get the join me at the Career Grand Slam next week,
and then Jordan responded, you mean it, Rory country Club.
(07:38):
Rory dominates at this course. He has won here several times.
He won last year in a duel against Xander Schoffley,
who would go on to win two of the next
three majors. He fucking drubbed him. On Sunday, I looked
up today because I remember watching it. I mean, he destroyed.
They were in the last group. It was basically match
(07:59):
play and Rory shot sixty five and one by five
strokes and it just felt like God, the momentum Rory
had going into Postmasters, like Valhalla, the US Open, the
British You're like, I think Rory might win too, the
next three Majors, and it was actually Xander who would
go on to win the following week, but I think Rory,
Like you could argue Rory and Bryson are a true
(08:21):
coin flip this week. I've never been to this course.
It is clearly going to benefit the longer hitters. And
I was listening to I went for a walk today
and No laying up had a preview on the PGA
Championship and Sally's really good with numbers, and he was
saying the season currently that Bryson is having driving is
(08:42):
one of the greatest driving seasons we've ever seen. And
I think sometimes with golf, I was just playing in
this member guest last week and by the second day,
we're in this group with these guys and they're they're fun,
they're older, and by like the third or fourth hole,
you play five nine hole matches and we're on like
whole three or four. It actually, yeah, it might have
(09:04):
been the third hole we played. And now look at
Mark who Again, this guy was a college quarterback, he's
an athlete, he's a scratch golfer, and I go, this
dude we're playing, can play like you think he played
college golf. Like this guy clearly was once a good golfer.
Then a couple holes later I kind of make a comment,
I'm like, did you play in college? And he kind
of laughs, He's like, yeah, it was Phil Mickelson's roommate
(09:27):
from eighty eight to ninety two. And you're like, God, no,
this guy's a stick. And sometimes you can just watch
a guy play, especially live, and you go, this guy's
really really good. I think if you've scouted Bryson through
the YouTube, if you just watch the tournaments. I'm or,
not the tournaments, but his videos, even if you watch
the break fifty when he's playing the red Definitely, if
(09:48):
you watch the random and I've been saying this for
a while, when he just goes to random courses and
tries to break the course record, if you just watch
him tee off, how reliable that power draw is going
three forty. I mean it is a weapon. And obviously
Rory is I think, widely considered the greatest driver in
the history of the sport. Whatever Bryson is currently doing,
(10:11):
he's a menace. Now, his irons, especially at the Masters,
a little off, you would say, Rory with his irons
a little on. I would be stunned if one of
these two guys doesn't win. Honestly, if there was a bet,
and I look there isn't, I would have no problem
putting like ten thousand dollars on one of these two.
Being like a lock top five. I think it would
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be stunning if comes Sunday one of these two guys
doesn't even either have the lead or is in one
of the last two groups. Like this course I saw today,
I follow a decent amount of like caddies on the
PGA tourches on Instagram, and Aaron Fleener, who is JT
Postin's caddy, who's a Kentucky guy, big sports guy, was
(10:55):
just walking down the fairway and he's like pretty sweet
conditions and his feet were just going basically like a
couple of inches underwater. I mean, it has been soaked
out there, it's been raining. Well, what benefits do you
have by hitting it far in the air, carrying it
three hundred and thirty three hundred and forty yards, Well,
anyone knows it's played in the rain, the ballink gonna roll.
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So that is a huge advantage to these guys. You know,
Bryson when he was on the PGA Tour had played
well at this course. Obviously, Rory has dominated here. I mean,
he's won here several times. He's just very comfortable in
this moment. I also think there's just there's a little
extra pressure that's just off him, you know. I mean, whatever,
(11:37):
he slayed at the Masters, which is one of the
craziest Sunday roller coaster rounds in the history of golf,
especially for a guy that wins up winning it in
extra holes. I mean, honestly, what he was the equivalent
I Vanderveld in whatever year that was ninety nine ninety
eight would have won, because people forget Vandervelt went to
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the playoff. If Vandervelt would have won the four hole playoff,
that would have been the equivalent of what Rory did.
Except Rory had all the baggage of the last decade
and the previous wins that he carried with him in
that playoff against Justin Rose and the thing with Bryson.
I don't know if it's just simply YouTube, but I
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do think it's fair to say that world has changed
the guy's life. It's taken a pressure of everyone just
thinking the guy was a loser, geek, douchebag. And listen,
I don't know the guy. I know people that know him.
He's a Fresno I mean's not a kid anymore, but
that's where he grew up. I have a lot of
second and third people in my life that just you know,
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either grew up playing golf around him, knew him when
he was a kid, and listen, if golf is your life.
I always defended Tiger when he got in the situation,
you know, personally in his life, Like how come pro
athletes and other sports can handle like cheating scandals a
little more small. It's because when you hang out with
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Michael Jordan or Charles Barkley or some of these quarterbacks
and the people Tiger was running around with. Two things.
One they're the cool kid from the moment they're like twelve,
and two they're used to being around a lot of
other human beings. They're on a team, whereas a golfer
you are isolated. You're by yourself and Tiger. You know,
back when Tiger came up, golf wasn't even cool. And
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Bryson is like a NERD's nerd. But it's a very
isolated profession where Michael Jordan, even if he is just
into his own shit, he's still around other human beings
a lot, and he's dependent on other guys. I mean,
he passed to Steve curda win the NBA Championship, right,
he passed to John Paxson to win an NBA championship.
It's on Rory, it's on Bryson. And I just wonder
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if the break fifty playing with Tom and Stafford and
Romo and Trump. I don't know. It's just made Bryson
the perception around him feel a little bit different, which
has taken made him feel little bit different because he
has been a dominant bright lights guy. I mean, going
back to start in twenty twenty four, ted six in
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the Masters, he finished second in the PGA, and if
Xander misses on eighteen on whole seventy two, they're in
a playoff in the PGA. Last year of Valhalla, he
wins the US Open. He's t five this year in
the Masters, and honestly didn't even play that good on
Saturday and Sunday with his irons, Like you put the
lights on the brightest, this guy's gonna I mean, if
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he was a basketball players like Jalen Brunson, he's scoring
thirty five, you know. And I think him and Rory,
if you told me this is like the US Open
last year, if this is like the Masters this year,
it says these two's going at it, I think it's
very believable. And yeah, I mean I think that I
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think the winner's coming from one of those two other
those two guys. When it comes to Scotty, I definitely
look at him a little bit differently because it's been
a weird start to the season after he cut his
hand making the raviolis, which is a little bit of
a bizarre story. But he's you give him the benefit
of doubt. You know, anyone that knows a few people
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knows that that story a couple of years ago, when
Dustin Johnson fell down the stairs, you know, got red
flagged by a lot of human beings. This story, you know,
because it's him family guy, you know, pretty serious cat like.
I don't think a lot of people red flagged it.
I'm just a human being who's been around the block.
Just seemed a little bit different. I don't know what
he would have been doing, but it clearly got him
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off to a weird start. And then a couple of
weeks ago he plays in the tournament against kind of
randoms and he beats a living piss out of him.
I just don't know if this is his ideal event.
He does not play this course typically when it's you know,
he doesn't enter the Wells Fargo. That's not really his jam.
I think the last time he played it was twenty
twenty two in the President's Cup. I actually love him.
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In a month at Oakmont, I think Scotta Cheff gonna
win the US Open. I'm actually, if I win a
little money this week, I will have no problem putting
like four figures on him immediately to win the US Open,
even if he finishes like tenth or eighth or twelfth
in this tournament. But listen, I think you have to
have a little exposure to him. He's got it. I
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think when it's all said and done, gonna go down
as an all time great, but like this specific venue,
this specific week with the rain, those guys are just
longer than him. Not that Scotty's not long, but I
think he's clearly three of the three big dogs going
into this weekend. And again like it's not taking anything
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away from him. I would expect him to win multiple
times the rest of the season, and I think he's
the heavy favorite over Bryson and Rory at Oakmont here
in a month. I think the other names that you
got to really like are this guy has you know,
we've seen guys go in the wilderness. You know, Speace
spend in the wilderness. Max Homas kind of currently in
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the wilderness relative to like their stature. Justin Thomas a
couple of years ago was struggling to break eighty at
Majors and this guy this year, I don't know if
it was just relaxing a little bit, changing his putter. Uh,
just he has a kid, maybe Tiger gave him some advice.
Whatever it is he is bawling. He easily could have
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three wins this season. I mean he is a miss
putt and a squirrely drive from winning that tournament in
regulation last week, let alone just a missputt away from
being in a playoff against Epstraca, and clearly he had
won whatever the previous signature event at the RBC. JT
is playing fantastic golf now that Scotty's kind of got
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his groove back. You could argue more than Mori Cowa.
You know right that Bryson's going to be on the
Ryder Cup. But Scotty, Bryson and JT as our lead
dogs right now for the Americans that you know give
you confidence going in to this fall. But I he
won here in twenty seventeen. He is gonna be very
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comfortable here. He's already won this trophy twice. I don't
love him necessarily to win, but I feel very very
confident putting a top ten bet on Justin Thomas Xander,
you know, unlike Scotty, like he legitimately just had a
rib injury, which I would imagine when you're swinging out
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of your ass as all these pros are now trying
to get however many miles an hour ball speed in
the one eighties, it got to be pretty painful. Hell,
even any movements when you have a golf swing, if
you have a rib injury, it can't feel good, but
he is trending, and to me, like JT, feels like
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a lock to be in the mix. And unlike these
other guys you know, to get Rory's four and a
half five to one, even Bryson now is under ten
to one, Scotty's four to one, right, so you can
get Xander at over twenty to one if Xander had
not been injured and just been playing like he did
last year. To me, Xander's number is probably like twelve
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thirteen to one, but that also means top fives and
top tens. He started getting his groove back at the
Masters T eight, RBC T eighteen last week T eleven.
Another guy that bombs it again was right there with
Rory last year, coming on Sunday at this golf course.
I like JT and Xander a lot, so to me,
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we'll get into the bets here in a second. A
couple other guys you know to top twenty would be
guys like Kdeki ball striker Deep anyone that saw the
viral photo of him putting in the torrential rainstorm. Not
quite sure that that translates to like Thursday, Friday and Saturday,
but I'm just a sucker for Adeki. I do think
Lowry and Fleetwood wouldn't shock me if one of those
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guys top ten. I mean, Fleetwood plays on all in
the majors. Lowry's been excellent this season. I definitely like
both guys to top twenty. My one long shot because
people sometimes tweet at me or DM me like who's
your long I don't really do long shots in the
majors anymore. Look at who has competed the Masters, you
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can a little bit. But to me, when it comes
to the PGA and the US Open, moving forward, like
I'm going with the horses and Gary Woodland, I saw
this clip that he did with Dan Rappaport where he
said that Quail Hollow is his favorite course on the
PGA Tour. He has finished top ten at Quail Hollow
multiple times in his career, and he's also really long.
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I think he's top ten in driving this season. He
is just He's a guy who's proven to play well
at tough golf courses over the course of his career.
But when it comes to length, you can get a
top twenty. For Gary Woodland at plus four point fifty,
you can get a top thirty at plus two five.
So to me, when you just look at DraftKings odds
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for a guy you know again top twenty, top thirty,
top forty even has plus odds, He's the only guy
that I feel comfortable under, Like you know, Fleetwood, Hadeki,
some of those guys are thirty forty to one range
and then obviously the top five top tens work off
from there. But Gary's the one guy with much longer
odds that I'm gonna mess with a little bit. My
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betting card goes is this, I'm gonna have action on
Rory and Bryson. I just I respect him too much.
I put a little on Scottie as well, just because
you don't want to like Saturday or Sunday and Scotty
Sipher the league like of course, he's one of the
great players of his generation. And it's you know, Rory
and Bryson because again, it's a golf tournament. So you
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have a stretch on a Thursday or Friday. If you're
Bryson and Rory hit a couple shitty shots, all of
a sudden, you go double bogie and you're just way behind.
Like it's it's hard to play ketchup a little bit,
but I'm taking all three of them to outright. The
one guy I hammered the top five Scotty and Rory
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are don't have good odds. The top five Bryson I
got I think plus one thirty to top five. I
hammered that Justin Thomas hammered a top ten, have some
top I have a top ten parlay which could pay
out pretty big. Again, it's hard because you got three
guys in the top ten, but ties at DraftKings count.
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Justin Thomas, Xander, Schoffley, and Fleetwood have another one with
Xander to win, JT to top ten. I have some
parlays with like Bryson to win Xander to top five,
A Decky to top twenty. Shane Lowry's a guy that
I dabbled a little bit to top ten. I have
some Scotty win with Xander and JT. So I'm basically
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just sticking to six seven guys. I am not messing
with randoms like maybe this is Sam Burns, maybe this
is even Ludvig's playing like sit Off, John Rahm, Marikawa Off.
So I'm sticking with the same six or seven horses
and just letting you ride. If they all have bad weeks,
I'm screwed. If we get three or four of them
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Speaker 1 (25:30):
Let's answer a couple questions really quick at golopod at
golopod is the Instagram fire. In those dms, we will
start with with Reed. Been listening to you and Colin
for five plus years. Question for the pod. I've played
a lot of classic gems like Pebble Stadium, Chambers, Gamble Sands,
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never been there. But my favorite is paying around one
fifty for a killer under the Raider course. Like Raven
was curious, if you have a bang for your buck
group of West Coast courses. If you haven't played Wine
Valley in Washington, plan to do so someday. Absolute steel
and tons of wineries to keep the wife busy. Also
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love the never bet can't ley take? The guy is terrible?
Watch I there is. You know, he's a guy that's
actually playing pretty good golf. But like re just said,
there is no conceivable way that I would ever put
money on him he can win. I'm cool with not
win any money. I'm not watching or rooting for him.
The one thing in Arizona, for example, if you can
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handle the heat, the price drops dramatically, so you can
play all the sweet public courses. I'm playing tomorrow at
Desert Ridge. It's a I think Nick Faldo designed them both,
and I think I'm playing for like one hundred and
thirty bucks, and that's of course, in I don't know, December,
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that's probably three hundred and twenty bucks. Now it's not
worth three hundred and twenty bucks, but all these courses
the price drops that you can play around here for
most courses under two hundred bucks. Again, if you can
handle the heat. In northern California, I would say this
for really cheap. You can play Chardonnay in Eagle Vines,
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which is ten minutes away from Napa. I think technically
it's in Napa, but like downtown Napa, it's like ten
fifteen minutes away. When I lived in Walnut Creek in
like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, those are like
my home courses because it was like twenty minutes away.
I could go in the afternoon and play for like
forty to fifty bucks and I just listen. They're not
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perfectly maintained, but they're in the heart of wine country,
just really really cool. Another sneaky gem is in Livermore,
California called wenty gets a little windy, but again the
in the wine country, I think it's a little price here.
I haven't played it in years, but it's actually a
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pretty solid track. So I'm with you. When you can
find a gem for like under one hundred and fifty dollars,
you're like, this is a pretty well maintained track. I'm
all over it. What happened to sobol loved him on
the pod? Well, Sobel used to work for Action Network,
So when we have Stucky on, we have a partnership
(28:32):
at the volume. So those guys he used to come on,
it was all under the kind of one umbrella here,
and then he left the Action Network to do other stuff.
So once he left, it became like I couldn't just
have him on just out of the goodwill. You know,
he's got other stuff to do. He's got a serious show,
(28:53):
and I think he's writing for MGM, So I think
there were some conflicts of you know, who supports the
show gambling wise, But I'm with you. I text them
probably a month ago. Sobles demand Quail Hollow may end
up being a great venue, but I find it a
letdown to have a major at a yearly PGA Tour venue.
I know Pebble has a yearly PGA Tour event, but
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Quail Hollow does not have the same prestige as Pebble.
I know the US Open has swooped up some great
courses for their anchor sites, but there are some amazing
famous courses in the USA that could be good venues.
What courses do you think would make good PGA championship venues?
This is what I was talking about. You know, you
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have to convince these unreal private courses. One, some of
these private courses, Like, there's a couple of private courses
right down the street from me. There is Silverlief, which
is really prestigious and expensive. There is Whisper Rock, which
a ton of the pros play at. There's Astancia. None
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of these courses are hard enough to host an event,
for example in Arizona. And two there's not like a
setup where you could get fans there. So some of
these courses, and who knows, maybe they wouldn't even be
interested in giving it away for their members. There are
a lot of variables that come into play. Because I'm
with you, there are probably some badass country clubs all
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over the nation that would be awesome. One are they
long enough because if they're not, these guys will fucking
annihilate them. And two if they are either long enough
or you could create a difficult setup. Is the course
willing to give their course to the tour or the
PGA for a while and basically have the members be like, yeah,
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take my course for a month, because some of these courses,
depending on where they are, are only open six seven
months a year. So if I basically take one of
those months away, the membership like, I'm still cutting checks fordws,
you know. So it's not it's more complicated than I think.
(31:02):
The way we just casually talk about it, it just
doesn't bother me as much. It's not gonna be a
hill I'm gonna die on when it comes to people
freaking out. But yeah, there are probably countless courses that
would be badass. I do think an underrated part is
can you get fans into the site? Does it fit
(31:25):
for fans? Because La Country Club actually kind of did,
but the membership was like, we ain't letting, we ain't
letting the pores on this course. Randos ain't stepping foot
on here. And your Boy's probably the most prestigious course
I've ever played. And I got some direct orders before
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we showed up of like six things like these are
the dues and don'ts, and then once you got there,
it's actually a little more chill. Like after we played,
we had beers in the clubhouse. It was it wasn't
as stiff as you think. But the members as a whole,
we're not gonna let people just on the course, and
that's I don't think it's any different than a lot
of these tracks. People don't realize, like August does not
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open twelve months a year. I think for the membership,
it's it's only opened a small percentage of the year,
five or six months. So these courses, for most of us,
we view it like, yeah, play whenever we want. It's
not really like that a lot of places, especially depending
on the weather. Been listening three and now Big Dolphins
(32:33):
Fan and Big Golf in curious what's in the golf bag?
Can you go through in detail what you carry play with.
I saw this when I was getting ready for the
show because I take screenshots so it's easy to bang
out the mail bag. That might be a good video
I actually got. It's in the garage, but it's called
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the it's a Bushnell foresight, so it's not it's in
the track man world. It's not. I mean it was not.
I mean track Man's like twenty grand. This was eighteen
hundred or whatever. But every time I go to the
range now, I take this thing with me and I
just see how far I hit it, and especially with driver,
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you see how far how hard your ball speed is.
It's incredible change my life, even though the ball doesn't
go any straighter, but you can't go to the driving
range without it. That might be a pretty good YouTube video.
I might have to bang that out sometime this summer.
I gotta get back on the golf courses. I have
it on camera. Question for the mailbag, do you think
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there's a lot of pressure on Ludwig to win a
major this year? I know he's still young, but he's
talked about to be the next face of the tour.
He's twenty five, and many other players on tour right
now had better success at the same age. Scotti is
also only twenty eight. I don't see him topping him
anytime soon. Huge fan of the game, but I feel
like he will be another guy who doesn't live up
(33:59):
to the high. I still think he's a great player
who will have success. I just think the conversation he's
in right now is a little premature. I think that's
natural in sports. I mean, I think that's true in football.
I mean, before he ever played a snap, we had
Caleb Williams the top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I think Jayden Daniels one season we have him as
a Hall of Famer. It's it's just our I mean,
it's it was crazy like Jokics, they did the opposite.
They kept beating ups, like guys, have you guys watched
this guy play and it took him like multiple MVPs
and playing in all these games. People like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's awesome. But it's hard to prove yourself. I mean,
(34:38):
people are nitpicking. I know, he just tore his achilles,
But Jason Tatum won a championship. People are like, how
good is he? You know, Jalen. It happens with our athletes.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
So I.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Think it's just part for the course. And in golf,
you know, you can make a lot of money winning
a tournament here and there, finishing high and just rake
in eight to ten million dollars a year on the
course every year and whatever. Probably I'm just guessing five
off when you're making fifteen to twenty million dollars every
single year and you look back over a ten year span,
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you're like, I was, I made a ton of money,
but maybe I didn't win a major. And we've seen
a lot of guys over the years. You know, Sergio
Garcia and Adam Scott were two of the best players
on the PGA Tour for a long period of time.
They were elite talents, elite and it took them late
in their careers to win a major. Right, So, I mean,
Justin Rose is one of the great talents of his era,
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and his era spans multiple errors. He's got one major.
So it's you can be an like all time great strong.
You can be a great player. And if you're a
betting man and I think Ludwig, like you said, stud
is he more likely to have like an Adam Scott
Justin Rose type career or is he more likely to
be Scottie Scheffler. You'd say he's probably more likely to
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be like Adam Scott. And there's nothing wrong with that.
You fly in private jets, you live in multiple big houses.
Like his career is gonna go great, but I mean,
the chance is he's just gonna beat everybody constantly. You
could not say that now but then once it happens
like I don't know if four or five years ago
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you would have said that about Bryson, and then Bryson
figured it out. Now, Bryson was younger when he came out.
Here's the thing, here's a good example with Bryson. Let's
just use the top three guys in this Bryson, Rory,
and Scotty. If it was the NFL or the NBA,
those guys would one be number one picks. Bryson would
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have been like a Cooper Flagger, a Caleb Williams ton
of hype more than even Rory. To me, Bryson would
have been one of the most hyped collegiate golfers coming
out to the pros if it was a team sport
in a long time. I would say Scotty would have
been a pretty big one too, But so would Ludvig.
Like Ludwig, if you put him in use that exam
(37:00):
sample is a number one overall pick. Right, so's Colin
Morikawa and Victor Hovlin. Like golf's heart. The golf is
because you can dominate and play well and finish fourth
a lot. And he did win a tournament this year.
Is he gonna win a major this year. I mean,
based on the way he's playing. Like to me, he's
a stay away right now and I love gambling on him,
(37:21):
but he's just a little Squorely.
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Speaker 1 (37:41):
At what point does the Ryder Cup start building for
the future and bring in some young guys who might
not be at the top of the rankings. Young players
have been huge for Europe, like Ludwig McIntyre, the Hoyguards,
and it helps them get used to the environment and
pressure and sets them up for future success. I personally
would much rather see Matt McNeely, Novak or Ben Griffin
(38:04):
than someone like Wyndham Clark, Glover or Harmon. I agree
with you. I do think that decision is easier to
make if you're like an old captain, if you're like
Jim Furick or you know, Phil Mickelson. I know he's
not a captain or probably will ever be now with
(38:26):
LIV stuff, but a guy like that in his fifties,
who's well established. Keegan Bradley is not going to be
thinking about any of that. You know, I think this
is the wrong captain for that mindset. Keegan Bradley is
not going to be caught up in we need this
guy to get reps for the next three Ryder Cups.
(38:46):
He is going to pick this team like Belichick sets
the fifty three for a playoff game. All that matters
is winning this playoff game. All Malcolm Butler stood on
the side. I'm mad you. I mean, Keagan is going
to be thinking so short term and rightfully, so I
don't blame him because he wins this. He's a legend.
(39:07):
I mean, so he's thinking less about you know. Was
it Potty Harrington the European Ryder Cup captain? Was it
the President's Cup? Whoever was the whenever Zach Johnson got
his ass kicked? Like Zach Johnson would have been a
good guy to be, like, let's pick some r Keagan
is not going to do that. Zero chance. I'm drawing
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a correlation between Tiger and Michael. People say MJ's era
was the golden age of the NBA and golf. Certainly
hasn't had a star reach, hasn't had a star reach
Tiger's level of fame since his prime. I would agree
to follow mj The NBA had guys like Kobe, Lebron
and Steph to take up the mantle post Michael. What's
your take on how golf has dealt with its post
(39:54):
Tiger evolution? Do you feel the players taking the reins
can be icons of the sport like Kobe, Lebron and
Steph love the show. Okay, we're gonna end on this.
I think it is very, very difficult to get to
the stature like Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods are all
(40:15):
time outliers. If you did a mount rushmore of most famous,
most accomplished athletes, you could argue those two guys in
the history of America. You could argue that both of
them should be on it. So it's like they there
aren't many before and there won't be many after, even
like Kobe wasn't Michael, Like I don't know anyone in
(40:39):
my life, Like in my actual life, it says Lebron
over Michael. I love Steph and he's a way more
enjoyable watch than Lebron for me. But like he's just
not quite that. And I think all those guys, though,
like you said, are huge and they're worldwide. I think
(41:00):
the closest thing the tour has to that is Rory.
And I think when you look back at the history
of the game in my life in golf, you'd say
Arnold Palmer is right. I think he's right up there
with Tiger is the most famous golfer of all time.
But a huge part of his fame is like the business, right,
I mean, hell, the drink. Can I get an Arnold Palmer?
(41:22):
I mean it's like can I get a Jack and Coke?
Can I get a Tito soda? I mean it's when
you have a drink. Call anyone listening that's in the
beer or beverage business. That's a powerful thing. Like one
of the things that makes Tito so popular obviously it's
good vodka. It's easy to say, and I was taught
this a long time ago, like can I get a
(41:42):
Tito soda? It's just very very easy to say. I mean,
the easiest to say of all time is a Jack
and coke. I'm not a big whiskey guy, but it's
hard to beat that, right, And Arnold Palmer became iconic
that way, and I would say Greg Norman, while he's
known for choking and I mean he's one of the
great talents of all time, his clothing line took them
(42:03):
to another level. So when you look at the guys now,
I would say Rory is pretty iconic right now. And
he's an international star. He's closer to me to like
a soccer star or one of the tennis stars like
Rafa Nadal or I'm not putting Rory over Messi, but
those guys transcend the countries, and that's what Rory has done.
(42:26):
And I would say Bryson, using some of those examples
of like you know, when you think Steph Curry, you
think three pointers, when you think Kobe, you think Mamba
like things are associated with them, I would say Bryson
with the YouTube thing is really worked for him. So
to me, those guys are bigger than Scotty in terms
(42:49):
of the way you're saying. But I think anyone beside
Rory has a long way to go, and I don't
think any of them are clipsing Tiger. I think we
would be hard pressed to see anything even remotely close
to Tiger, Like we're not seeing another Michael Jordan, but
we have seen, like you said, things that are enormous.
(43:12):
I mean, I think by far the biggest is Rory.
You know, speed hasn't been good in forever and then
even like like the Xanders and the Jts, like it's
not even in the same world. So I think Rory
in the Bryson start them on the internet as has
taken them to another level. And to me, if Bryson
(43:32):
can win, you know, I think, say Rory and Bryson,
you know, Bryson's the same amount of majors as Scotty.
If it's all said and done, Bryson can win like
seven or eight majors, Like it'd be a really big deal.
And if you told me right now, like who would
you bet on winning more majors over the next five years,
Bryson or Scotty, that's not an easy thing to answer.
I think that's a coin flip and it wouldn't shock
(43:55):
me at all if Bryson wins more and who knows
whenever ends ends like and they get back together. So
I also think it's easier to make superstars. You know,
It's like John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Faarr, Peyton, Manning,
Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, you know basketball now,
(44:16):
Jokich and Luca and Cooper Flag. It's kind of easy
to make stars in team sports, Shoeyotani, Bryce Harper, Mike Trout,
like it's just Aaron Judge. Golf's a little harder, you know,
because you can't a huge part of the brand sometimes
is like the team. So it's like, Damn, I played
for the Yankees and I'm a star. I play for
(44:38):
the Lakers and I'm a star. Right in golf, Like,
you gotta produce, you gotta dominate at the highest level.
And that's what Jack did, That's what Arnie did, That's
what Tiger did, and that's what Phil did for a
long time. And I think Rory, Bryce and Scotty. Scotty's
(44:58):
got a lot. I don't think Scotty would ever be
on the level of the other two, but I think
Rory and Bryson can be pretty freaking big when it's
all said and done. Thanks for listening. Enjoy the golf tournament.
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