June 27, 2025 • 41 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is Friday. There is a lot to talk about, Jamack.
I got eight and a half hours of sleep. That
happens once a month, so I'm ready to go. I'm
knocking down Red Bull might as well be Raisinets, Baby.
I'm ready to go. I'm knocking them down. I am
fired up for a Friday, and Jamak, I'm you know.
It's support systems are really important for all of us.
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You had very strong parents, which I think is a
great advantage in life. Right. You had good support and
good guidance and siblings. It doesn't always happen in life,
and that's why it's very hot for little league coaches.
And I had great high school basketball. Football coaches were
like surrogate parents for me. I want to talk about
that because I'm seeing something in sports today that it
bumbs me out. So I am a child of divorce.
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Without boring you, I had a very strong mom. I
had a great stepdad who stepped in and was my
little league coach, my best friend's dad, Jack Jones. Dad
was like a little bit of a surrogate father. I
was very lucky. My life could have gone sideways really fast.
Mom and dad divorced. Dad leaves very decent human being,
but he was onto another stuff and I'm just kind
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of left, just left, and so thank god I had
these incredibly strong people in our life, in my life.
And I know it's an uncomfortable talk. The media doesn't
like this discussion, but Dad's matter a lot on Father's Day.
It matters most of the great athletes I've covered in
my life. Almost every great quarterback, almost every great one,
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almost not all strong dad, or if not super strong mom.
Strong guidance because that brain's still developing. At seventeen and
eighteen and nineteen twenty years old, girls mature much faster
than boys boys. At seventeen eighteen nineteen, I said yesterday,
maybe they're valedictorian. Maybe you're getting them out of juviie,
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like when you're seventeen eighteen nineteen guys change fast, and
we don't mature as quickly. So I saw a story
this morning. Ace Bailey is this kind of kid that
like his representative, his agent told him, Hey, he told
one of the top five teams not to pick him.
And I'm thinking, where are the adults to help this kid?
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Where are he's getting horrible advice? Reportedly he's a good kid,
but when the year started he was considered the second
best player to Cooper Flagg, second best prospect. So he's
already cost himself nine million dollars, dropping from third where
he should have gone to fifth. And by the way,
his teammate Dylan Harper, Ron Harper always in his life
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is there? Unfortunately Ace, dad was in and out of
his life. Well, you got mom, you got other people.
This story though, where are the adults to help this kid?
Because he hired an agent, Omar Cooper, And I know
we don't like agents, right, I don't see this happening,
you know to a lot of agents players. This is
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Omar Cooper legal issues in the past, not certified agent
by the NBA, one NBA client, Ace Bailey. This is
not the agent you pick. What's the Lebron's agent? Rich
Paul Rich Paul. I've seen him let go of clients
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if they won't listen to him. Rich Paul is a
very very good agent, excellent agent. This kid needed Rich Paul.
He needed Rich Paul. He needed a strong, certified, respected
agent because no adults are stepping in for this kid.
I mean quality of agents matter. I've had four, trust me.
There is a big gap in competency in every industry.
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But this is a great example where the adults are
not there for this kid. He's reportedly not a bad kid,
but Draymond Green talked about this yesterday. This kid now
already has a reputation, fair or not.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I don't necessarily think it hurt. It didn't hurt. You
went five whooped to do.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
But you're walking into the NBA able to strike, And
I think that's what's the most important to understand. It's
like you're walking in with a question mark on character,
You're walking in with a question mark on work ethic,
you're walking in with a question mark on your.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Cam and and agents and family structure is really important
in NBA basketball because NFL players coming at twenty three,
twenty four, where all young men naturally mature over time, right,
Trust me as a dad that's got six kids in
my life. It's the difference between like eighteen nineteen and
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twenty four is two different human beings, especially with boys.
And so this is the time where in the NFL
has a structural advantage over the NBA because kids are
just older, you know, they just boys are older. They
come into the legal but you go eighteen nineteen years old,
and that's when a young man needs guidance. And this guy,
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adults are failing this kid. He wouldn't work out for teams.
That's just not what you do. His agent apparently told
like one of the top five teams not interested. That
is not what you do. By the way, the other
guy that the Utah Jazz drafted, Walter Clayton, he's already there.
He's already in Salt Lake. He's there. So this is
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one of these situations. I know it's uncomfortable and nobody
wants to talk about it, but those Little League coaches,
those high school basketball coaches, those high school football coaches
man or women, are so vital for boys and young men.
And all I see with this, all I see this
kid is where are the adults where the helpers all
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right saw this story this morning. Aaron Judge and Shohey
O Tania been named the American League and National League
starters for Major League Baseball's All Star Game, so they
came out today they list the All Star finalists, so
they break it into like two time periods. These are
now the only people you can vote for for the
All Star Game, and so fans in media, a lot
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of them complained about the NBA playoffs the finals, well parody,
no sizzle and no glamour, small markets. That's okay, but
you better not be the same people complaining about the
Dodgers in the National League All Star finalists having a
player at every position, every single position, first, second, short, third, catcher, outfield,
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that doesn't even count the pitchers, and Dave Roberts is managing. Okay,
you can't. You got to be consistent. I'm Cole Colin
is consistent. I like most dynasties, Alabama football dynasty, a
little borings, little boring. But today in baseball, the Dodgers,
the Cubs, the Yankees, and the Mets are in first place.
I can't believe the Mets are. They've been playing terrible.
They're all in first place and I'm all in Colin.
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What about Cincinnati? I was there once. I went to
the airport. I was told they had great chili. I
tried it. They put spaghetti in it. Wow, revolutionary. Might
as well be Florence, Italy. I'm sorry. And all these
New Yorkers are such phonies and hypocrits complaining about the Dodgers.
I used to work at another network on the East Coast,
and I remember listening to sports talk radio for a
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decade out there. Oh, they love the Hot Stove League.
Oh let's go buy this guy and this guy and
this guy. What do you complain about?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Now?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
The Hot Stove League's now an air frar and the
Dodgers have the best one. Get over it. I mean,
Dodgers season tickets should come with the two free tickets
of the All Star Game, apparently, but you know you
can't have both. You can't complain about the NBA All
Star you know, and the Dodgers having all the players
and the Dodgers it's lobsided. I'm all for it. I
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said last year the National League Playoffs, the Phillies stack,
Dodgers stacked, Mets stacked, Padres, stacked. It was unbelievable. It
broke like National League playoff records in the last decade.
So the last time, there's been two times that I
can remember rushing to watch the Oscars. It mostly bores me,
it's too pious and precious whatever, but I went and
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rushed to watch it was Silence of the Lambs. It
won the Big Five, it won everything. And the last
time I rushed to watch the Oscars was oppenheiber It
won four the Big Five. I don't want to talk
about budgets. It's not my money. All the owners are billionaires.
I want to watch the Dodgers. I like dynasties. I
love the Heatles. It gives you somebody to root for,
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root against. But I do find it interesting that there
are people out there complaining about OKC and Indie and
the structure of the NBA, and that's fine. Like I thought,
it was really interesting until Hali and got hurt in
Game seven and it just felt like another game. But
you can't complain about that. And the Dodgers dominating baseball
because it is an All Star team, it is literally
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and they've had pitching injuries or they probably have four
pitchers in the All Star Game. They already got the manager,
so I just be consistent on it. I have no
problem with it. I don't go to a movie theater
to watch parody. I went to the movie theater for Oppenheimer.
I go for Tom Cruise movies about once a year.
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You'll get me to a movie theater. You know, it's
a great director, two or three great actors. That's what
I want to see. I want to see interesting, I
want to see great and so yeah, yeah, all the
Hot Stove League, that was just that. For ten years.
I listened to that on sports talk radio on the
East Coast. Oh, people just jam the phone lines. Let's
get that guy, Let's get that guy, Let's get that
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all star. Nobody in New York was ever saying, you
know what, we're taking too much of the talent. It's lobsided. Well,
it's lobsided now because the Dodger group is richer than
the Yankee group, and they spend a lot of money.
Yankee still spend money too, Mett spend a lot of money.
The Dodgers just spend theirs more smartly. And nothing against Cincinnati,
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but spaghetti and your chili does not make you Naples Italy. Okay,
I'm sorry. I'm sorry a little smart Alec this morning.
But it's all the sleep I got in the Red Bull,
all right, j Mack, we got a lot of stuff today.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
We talk about it.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
We got a lot of stuff here.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
I thought you liked Joe Burrow just unloading on Cincinnati.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
My goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well it's when I let's go back to the ACEH.
Bailey thing. Though. All these players mostly, I've never seen
an NBA draft with more guys crying, which I love.
I like the player. I mean, the players go up,
it's a life changing moment. They're happy, it's wonderful. But
we have this one kid, and you're like, man, he's
getting really bad advice. And I don't expect eighteen and
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nineteen year olds. I don't expect them to understand and
have the self awareness for the entire process. I leaned
on when I was nineteen or twenty. I leaned on adults.
Thank God for my stepdad and my high school football coach,
and like, thank God for that stuff. And so it's
hard for me. The more I thought about this, the
harder it is to blame Ace Bailey. I think you
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have to be culpable. I mean, you're nineteen twenty. But
this is a situation where he needs a gold star,
five star agent because he's getting bad advice.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Hey, you got to hope that the agent doesn't move
to Utah. Ash Bailey then gets under Will Hardy and
the Jazz. The Jazz have a good infrastructure, right, They
got a good coach, good front office.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
He could turn around. Bailey could be the steal of
the draft.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
He just gotta you're right, distance himself from the bad
news back home.
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Speaker 2 (12:17):
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Speaker 1 (12:23):
So I saw this. The only undrafted player in the
NFL to ever win Defensive Player of the Year is
James Harrison. I know, James, straight shooter, gonna be totally
honest with you. He was talking about Mike Tomlin, the
guy that he got along with very well. Tomlin and
Harrison were very close. I thought this was an interesting quote.
He said, with Mike the Steelers coach, the biggest thing
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I guess I like about him is he is a
players coach. What I dislike about Mike Tomlin is that
he's a player's coach, and sometimes it disrupts the team
because he lets certain players get away with certain things
and it becomes an issue with certain players. Certain players
can handle that freedom and some players, as we know
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with the Steelers, cannot, And he is what I would
call I always said this McVeigh with the Rams last year,
youngest defense in the NFL, fewest penalties. The NFL, especially
when it comes to playoffs, is about discipline in details.
The Jets had the most penalties in the league last year.
The Cowboys were third. Neither still has their coach, they
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have a new coach, discipline in details, win in January
and February. And Mike Tomlin's a tremendous motivator. He is
great at the podium. But they haven't won a playoff
game in eight years, and they haven't beaten an elite
quarterback in the playoffs in over a decade. There's a
lot of players in Pittsburgh policing themselves. I always said,
Mike Tomlin is Pete Carroll podium motivating, fantastic under Pete Carroll,
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the Seahawks and his tenure, second most penalized team in
the NFL. Pete Carroll Seahawks, only the dysfunctional Raiders. We're
more penalized. So it's the whole thing. The tone in life,
can be parents, can be coaches is set at the top.
There's a there's a current airlines right now that drives
me crazy, and I don't like their management that that's
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that's how it goes. It bleeds down to the crew,
and so playoff football. Andy Reid high volume details, spags
defense for Kansas City details and so what I think
is interesting is that sometimes you can have a guy
that's a little loose in a very strong, detailed culture.
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Jalen Ramsey, ioas Fees kind of doing his own thing.
He worked one of Super Bowl with the Rams. Because
the Rams culture is so strict, Jalen Ramsey often bouncing
around now kind of does his own thing, little loose.
So if you have a strong, strong, defiant, detail oriented culture,
you can get away with a player or two that's
a little loose. So what's interesting is the Steelers structure
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at the top is a little loose. And they brought
in DK Metcalf, the most penalized NFL wide receiver since
he entered the league. And they brought in Aaron Rodgers,
and I know, you think I don't like him. I
would say he's not quite as buttoned up as Tom
Brady was, you know, Drew Brees was. You know, Aaron's
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gonna show up a little late, gonna be there sometimes
off season. Aaron's kind of doing his own thing, a
little loose, gotten a little looser than he was probably
eight ten years ago. Kind of do his own thing
in the off season. Dk Metcalf plus the Steelers, this
is another reason why Pittsburgh James Harrison just saying what
we all knew is that in Pittsburgh players kind of
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police themselves. How else do you describe this? Eighteen years
without a losing season, eight years without a playoff win.
How do you describe that? That the structure of the
organization is well run, but the coach, the CEO doesn't
run a tight ship. That's how you explain they're never terrible,
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but they don't win in February January, That's what explains
that weird juxtaposition of always pretty good, never can beat
the really great teams. J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
News no, no, turn on the news. This is the
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Speaker 6 (16:30):
All right, the NBA Draft is complete, and we're gonna
talk about Janice and the Milwaukee Bucks column because, according
to a report, Jannis was closely observing how the Bucks
handled the draft and their free agency moves while he
decides his NBA future. Now, this is a little different
tune than what we heard in the last few weeks,
where oh, Jiannis might stick around and closely monitoring the draft.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Colin, I will remind you the Bucks.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Don't have a first round pick until like twenty fifty, Okay,
so they had to settle for a second round guy,
this gentleman, I won't even guess his first name, but
Markovic is his last name. They took him forty seven.
He plays in the Adriatic League. He's staying over there
next season. He's an even coming to the NBA.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Colin what is happening behind.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
The scenes on Giannis, because I'm calling BS on this
report that Janni's was closely observing the draft.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well, listen, unless you're getting Cooper Flagg, this draft is
not going to produce immediate results. I think the kid
from Baylor will absolutely play as a total disruptor on defense.
I don't think he'll score a bunch, but there's about
three guys to four guys that will literally get into
your rotation and play a lot. This is not an
NFL draft, or you know, it's just not. That's not
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what it is. So the idea that you would wait now,
you could wait for free agency. Houston made a big
splash in free agency. But if Yannis is waiting for
the draft, then then he's not serious about moving like
he wants this. And that's fine. But Milwaukee with Yanna,
who is still dominant and productive in the Eastern Conference
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not the West, is a one and done team in
the playoffs, so they're not like a college player away. Yeah,
I mean Dallas has much better roster well, and Cooper Flagg,
as good as he is, is not taking them from
a five seed to a one. What he's going to
do could he's eighteen. He'll have some growing pains, but
he'll be productive. But a d and if Ad Lively
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will be their two best healthy players. And then when
Kyrie comes back, he'll be in that group. Cooper will
be at best of four. Caulse he's eighteen years old.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
By the way, some Bucks fans are getting delusional, trying
to talk themselves into Oh Notatum, no Haliburton.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
We got a shot. Can we just pump the brakes
on this nonsense?
Speaker 6 (18:45):
The Calves are a sixty win team they bring back
basically everywhere. The Knicks are vastly superior to the Bucks.
Their roster is, it's not even close. And by the way,
the Bucks are going to lose their center Lopez unless
they want to pay big tax money. They're just gonna
let him walk.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Okay, So then you still got like we like the
Orlando Magic.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I'm telling you Boston and Indiana are still better than
Milwaukee even without those stars.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yes, I think keep an eye on the Atlanta Hawks.
I think the Detroit Pistons. To me, the Bucks, they're
an eight or play in team.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I don't they're They're not a playoff team out west.
Oh hell, you know, no, they're they're a playoff team
because of Jannis in the East. They're not a playoff
team in the West. But they're not one of those
what's that book? It's of mice and man, is it Lenny,
you squeeze that You squeeze the dog too much or
something like it. Yeah, And it's like they've just squeezed
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every ounce out of Yannis. They just can't let him go.
They're squeezing him, and it's like, either to build a
decade for your fan base. I mean, one of the
reasons the Packers are so great is they're always good
and sometimes great, Like Milwaukee had like two to three
years you're like, wow, they're special. Really two years and
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since then, it's like, guys stops queezing Yiannis. Let him go.
I mean, get get players. I just I don't. Again,
maybe the small market thing, but it's not like Milwaukee
is that small. I mean you've got the Packers, You've
got the Bucks, You've got Wisconsin, you've got Big ten Sports.
You got the Brewers, who are actually a pretty good
baseball team. It's like they're they're operating like they're desperate,
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and it's like two years ago they should have had
a plan going forward, like if this guy leaves or
this guy leaves, it may be time to move Yiannis
and get four I mean these days for Yannis four
ones unprotected, an All Star level player and two reserves.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Oh that's a hall.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well yeah, but this is Yiannis. You could get that
by Ruby Gobar got Colin.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
I just want to remind the Bucks, like, if you
play this dangerous game, Hey, we're just gonna try the
first half of the season.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Then we can move them at the All Star break.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
You always get way less the longer you wait to
trade your star. The move is to deal him early.
I think the Bucks are gonna screw this up. Let's
stick in the NBA real quick. Then Knicks continue their
coaching search to replace Tom Thibodeau. Jason Kidd's name is
still out there, even though Nico Harrison said definitely no,
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but an NBA agent gave an interview yesterday saying, I
don't really know how that process is for the Knicks.
I don't even know if the Knicks know what their
process is. Basically, you've got a lot of guys bagging
on the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
What did they do?
Speaker 6 (21:23):
They fired a coach with no plan and now they're
gonna like have a major downgrade. They're interviewing James Barrego
this weekend. Get Excited New York real quick on Jason
Kid Colin. It hasn't been talked about a lot, but
the Dallas Mavericks coaching staff lost three assistants in the
last two weeks.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Guys are jumping ship.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Do they know that Kid really wants out or do
they not trust Nico Harrison.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Something quietly is going on in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, that's I don't know the answer to that. That
I mean, getting Cooper flag and ad back. I think
Dallas that is very suspicious. That's like insider trading in
a company with all the executives are selling stock and
you're like, oh, they were just on barons. It's such
a great stock. Some things I don't That's I'm glad
you mentioned that because I don't know what that means.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Well, I wonder if those guys know Jason Kidd wants
out or Jason Kidd wants an extension and the Maps
aren't given it to him the money he wants, and
he's going to go to the next It just feels
weird with all this momentum of Cooper Flag to be
losing assistance behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I don't know, Nick's never a dull moment. Final story,
Colin is to the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
We haven't talked about him in a few weeks. I'm
sure that life is good in Kansas City. Well, remember
in the draft they took Ohio State tackle Josh Simmons,
who was a super talented player but obviously fell.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Due to a significant knee injury.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Well, Jason Kelsey recently spoke to how good he's looked
so far.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
I've watched a lot of these linemen coming out the
last few years. This kid, I mean, he is the
closest thing I've seen to like a Trent Williams or
like adjacent, like that next level like strength and athleticism.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh, I don't think there's any question. When he was healthy,
he was he was a bull. You couldn't get past him.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
But we're comparing him to a Hall of Famer now.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
No, But I will I will say this, he is
the there is Remember a few years ago when Brett
Veach drafted Trey Smith, who dropped to the sixth round
something yeah, yeah, and he was like a tackle and
it hadn't worked and they moved him inside. How did
that go? He ended up being a very high end starter.
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So the feeling is, and this kid's more talented than
Trey Smith. I'll just say this. There is a possibility,
and it may be a strong one, that the steal
of the first round is this kid. There is a
First of all, I'm not overly religious, but God makes
about one or two people a year on the planet
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that are six seven three point thirty with good feet.
This kid has it. So I'm not saying he's gonna
be great. But if you told me, oh, there's a
guy that went mid to late first round that's better
than anybody in the top ten, it would be this kid.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
That's a that's a great take. Listen, He's talented. He
was a big time recruit. I'll say this. It changes
the trajectory.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
You know, I'm on the board of Chiefs are not
making the playoffs. This will radically change their season if
they can find a left tackle. Remember they were so
desperate after that Super Bowl loss. They got the backup
swing tackle from the nine zero who hasn't proved Jack squad,
so like that was.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Their potential solution. So if Simmons is healthy it.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Can play, that's a game changer for them.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I mean a lot. Usually at the end of the
first round. Remember the Chiefs got Worthy of the receiver
from Texas.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And my take was, he's a gadget player. You're he's
not a high volume guy. And and and by the way,
that's sort of what he is pretty much like Rashi
Rice will be the volume guy. He is a gadget guy.
And that's a good pick. End of the first round,
I think, you know, like you get into the first round,
top of the second. The Seahawks got a safety from
South Carolina, I think top of the second. That's an
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unbelievable pick. Top of the second like a guy that
will come in and be a dynamic starter. Like like,
end of the first round is a little bit of
no man's land. You're taking a guy that's been injured
or he had a little bit of an issue. I mean,
even Brett Beaches missed. Remember the running back from LSU.
They took end of the first round, and then Isaiah
Pacheco goes like six or seventh and he's the star.
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So end of the first round it's not a place
you'll want to be a lot of I've talked to
gms of the years after, like the twenty third pick.
Guys would rather trade back and get an extra fourth
round pick. But if this kid could end up being
the steal of the draft in the first round. Jmack
with a.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
News Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
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Speaker 1 (26:00):
See that I get a good night's sleep. So, J Mac,
you and I disagree on two people brought perty in
Austin reeves. But here's what's interesting. So I when I
started my little company, one of the things I learned
very quickly about a year in is you have to
be ahead of everybody on the contracts. You have to
be talking about contracts with your employees a year before
they care about it, because your responsibility for the entire
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fiduciary responsibility of the company. So I think about this
stuff all the time, is are you ahead? The Cowboys
and the Lakers get behind on contracts A lot and
you end up paying Dak a fortune. But the Austin
Reeves one is interesting. Don't take any agenda, go into
this with an open slate if you love him. So
the Lakers said, here's eighty nine million, four years, even
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though you have a year left, twenty two million a year.
He turned it down. Now, I would pay Austin Reeves
that he's twenty seven years old. You get about twenty
a game. He's in his prime. I could pay him.
With the new TV contracts, I'd have no problem paying
him twenty two million a year for the next four years.
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He didn't want to do it. He turned it down
because he wants to go to the een of the
open market, where he would get on the open market
one hundred and eighty three million, which is about forty
four to forty five million annually. I'm not paying Austin
Reeves that or in one year he could be eligible
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for five years and two hundred and forty six million
from the Lakers forty nine million. So once he turned down,
which I think is a very reasonable number for maybe
it's a little Laker friendly, but twenty two million a
year not. You know, we saw him get worked in
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the playoffs. Playoffs is where the money's at. Derek White's
very good in the playoffs. I said, I like Derek
White as my I think I think you're a great
team if he's your four. Derek White was the Celtics four,
they won a title. Austin Reeves now is a three.
So this is how it works. So you're looking at
Austin Reeves and he goes, I want to go to
the market or in one year, I want the Lakers
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to have to pay me forty nine million. Now they
wouldn't have to, they could negotiate it, but you know
how it is. If that's the starting point, that's your max.
You're not going from forty nine to thirty four. So
this is what this is what I've talked about with
Austin Reeves. You've got to get ahead of this thing.
Otherwise you're going to turn into Dak and be You're
going to be trapped. Here's what takes you out of
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the championship bubble. More than anything in sports. Paying b
players a money kills you in the NFL with your quarterback,
crushes you in the NBA. And the Lakers also have
a Luca extension this summer. They got to finish. That's
four years and two hundred and thirty eight two million dollars.
You got to sign that, and you're paying lebron a
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ton and you also, I mean you drafted some center
who's not really long, not much of a rim protector.
He's a tough guy, physical guy. Eh, you're not very
good at center. So this is a prime example, whether
you like Austin Reeves or not. The Cowboys a story. Now,
the Cowboys are gonna pay Michael Parsons an NFL record
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salary that didn't get ahead of it. Dak Prescott didn't
get ahead of it. So once Austin Reeves turns down
twenty two million a year, which I thinks about his value, Okay,
now you're in the forty five million dollars a year,
double that in one year. I'm not going there. So
when I say you got to move Austin Reeves, fall
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in like with players, fall in love with your kids,
I'm not going forty five large for Austin Reeves. Twenty two. Yeah,
I'd probably go to thirty. But when that Derek White
contract was offered or discussed on this show yesterday, I'm like, Okay,
Eric White's different better defender. Trust him hitting threes, big
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time playoff and finals experience. But this my rule has
always been in sports, outside of injuries, nothing kills championships
like paying B to B plus player players A to
A plus money. Tom Brady, Drew Brees understood that can't
be the highest paid quarterback, can't have the highest cap pit.
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Kirk Cousins has had a lot of those, made a
lot of money, not win a lot of playoff games.
All right, we have Chris Bruce Art stops by today.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Oh, I saw this.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It's an interesting topic. So I know I've talked a
lot about Caitlin Clark, but there's a player in the
WNBA that is defending Caitlin Clark and she used an
interesting word to defender, and I want to talk about
(30:58):
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Speaker 1 (31:29):
So this is an interesting word. So Paige Beckers an
unbelievable rookie in the WNBA. Caitlin Clark's the most interesting
player in the league. Page Beckers maybe the most talented
young player even I mean overall, she may be more
complete than Caitlyn Clark. And then there's Aja Wilson, who's
the best player in Vegas. So Paige Beckers was denouncing
(31:54):
quote inhumane pressure on Caitlin Clark amid her three point
shooting slump. Inhumane. So let me tell you what's going
to happen in the WNBA. Get ready for it. The
national media is paying attention now, and the criticism is
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going to follow suit, and you're going to have a
lot of media jumping in, especially at the other place,
pandering and defending the players to this sudden harsh criticism
because the way it works in my business, more eyeballs,
more opinions, and the WNBA just posted one hundred and
eighty percent growth in a year, so they're now relevant.
(32:40):
So Caitlin Clark is not facing in humane pressure. She
is facing relevance and pressure. If you're Taylor Swift, if
you are the Tiger Woods of women's sports. You are
going to face pressure, and it's an absolute privilege. Whether
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you're a talk show host, a star athlete, the number
one pop star in the world, or a politician, it
is a privilege to face pressure cause you matter. And
so for years and years, the WNBA lamented. There's a
lot of tears. We don't get the respect the money
(33:23):
of the men. Well, you didn't deserve it. Right now,
the league's ratings are going up, I mean literally spiking,
and you're negotiating a new TV contract with the relevance hums,
criticism and by the way, praise. There'll be a lot
(33:45):
of praise. There'll be a lot of fluffy pandering at
certain places, not us, but that you'll get that in
a lot of places. But this whole thing is that
it's in humane. No, it's not. No, it's not it's
if you are Caitlin Clark and right now. I did
this the other day. I said, there's about seven untradable
athletes in the world. She's number one. You can't trade her.
(34:07):
I mean even Rinaldo's moved around, Lebron's moved around. Okay,
you can't. You can't trade her, So I thought it
was interesting inhuman No, it's not. It's just the reality
of being relevant. So I was talking about Austin Reeves
and the Lakers just got purchased. And I said at
(34:27):
the time, it shows the health of the league that
they went for ten billion, seventy six billion dollars TV contract.
Regardless of draft ratings or NBA ratings. It's relevant in culture,
relevant with merchandise. It's a relevant league. We don't talk hockey,
it's a relevant league. So but the Lakers became a
(34:49):
mom and pop organization. And I was talking to somebody
two days ago. There's stuff behind the scenes that is boring.
But they just I mean, they didn't go They didn't
have certain scouts that other teams had, they didn't buy
certain like services, analytics services that every other team had.
Believe it or not, Utah Jazz have a lot more
(35:11):
money in the LA Lakers, And I mean, one of
the reasons they gave, you know, one of the reasons
I believe that they're sort of paralyzed by Lebron James,
despite knowing he kind of controls the team is he
sells merchandise. You say what you want about Lebron James.
You go to a Laker game, everybody's got a phone,
all those influencers going to their websites and going to
(35:32):
their blogs and going on their ig and tiktoks showing hey,
I was at the Laker games night. He moves an needle.
But I've said the Cowboys are very similar to the
Lakers in that you think, oh, big money. No, no,
Rams are big money. Castan Kronk's got big money. The
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Cowboys are mom and pop. So I saw a story
this morning that Micah Parsons is reportedly going to sign
a historic tracked in coming weeks once again. And I
like Micah Parsons. There are an but he is a
bit of a splash player and he was in college.
He'll make highlight plays. He'll beat really bad corners. I mean,
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he's got fifty two and a half sacks in his career.
Ten and a half are against Washington. I think five
and a half are against Carolina, four and a half
are against the Giants. He's got a big chunk of
his sacks on three awful teams until Washington hit on
Jaden Daniels. So witnesses like Austin Reeves, I am willing
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to pay a plus money for a plus players. There's
a lot of great defensive players in this league, but
I think the really smart organizations, the really smart organizations
overwhelmingly stay young and cheap on defense. Chiefs in the
Rams accept unless you have an elite defensive lineman. There
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are five currently this is it, five current defensive players.
I just pay whatever it takes, whatever the market bears.
Miles Garrett, I'm paying whatever it takes. Jared Verse. You
don't have to pay him for a couple of years, folks.
He's the closest thing I've seen the Lawrence Taylor on
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the edge potentially like this kid. He was a rookie
wait until this year, Max Crosby, Patrick Certain and Chris Jones.
Chris Jones an interior defensive lineman. He may not play
for another four years. I'd pay him. And you can say, oh,
what about Hendrick sin with the Bengals so so against
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the run. He's thirty years old, so he's also on
the edge. The Aaron Donald's and the Chris Jones that
go inside. It's a lot of those on the planet.
So and as you know, there's like Will Anderson of Houston,
I'd like to see one more year. He's close. Jalen
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Carter of Philadelphia was a little scorely in college. I
worry a little bit about the maturity. Probably really close,
he'd be six. But Micah Parsons, even in college, he
was a splash player. If you go and you're totally
honest about this, boom or bust was great for Jerry
Jones in the oil business. It's not great for pass rushers.
(38:29):
I need boom all the time. That's Miles Garrett or
Jared Verse. So we've talked about this before. How are
you in the playoffs as a pass rusher again, when
when you're in division with awful Washington for years, you're
playing Carolina every other year it's the New York Giants turnstile.
I'm not interested in that. If you look at Micah
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Parsons in the regular season and in playoffs, he disappears
in the playoffs four games, one sack, no force fumbles,
not that many quarterback hits. Why Because he's a bully.
He's great against average, the small kids on the playground.
So if Miles Garrett's different. Miles Garrett is the highest
greded defensive player according to PFF in each of the
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last three seasons. He's great against the Ravens, He's great
against the Steelers. Miles Garrett is great all the time.
Jared Verse is unblockable. Sharn Armstead a very good tackle
for Miami. He said, who you gonna miss? He goes,
I'm not gonna miss Jared Verse as a rookie. I
don't want to face him anymore. Unblockable. Max Crosby again,
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here's a guy. You know. Here's a guy because his
team O was Trails Max Crosby. At the end of games.
A lot of teams play the Raiders. They lead in
their milk in the clock disadvantage for him. Patrick's certain
three straight Pro Bowls. Best corner in football, mature adult
can tackle, can defend short, intermediate, deep. And then Chris Jones,
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who remains a guy that you also Chris Jones, which
is really rare. You can move him anywhere. He'll find
the weak spot. He'll go edge, he'll go inside, he'll
go nose, he'll go anywhere. But I'm a big believer
that you don't payt now TJ. Watt, I know you love.
He's thirty years old, okay, and coming on the edge.
Chris is an interior and you just don't. There's not
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many of those in the world. I mean Aaron Donald.
I could be wrong on this, j Mac.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I think Eric.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Aaron Donald retired at thirty two.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
So the interior guys don't last very long. There's and
it's much easier to find edge guys. That's why, like
like a TJ. Watter or a Will Anderson, it's much
easier to find the edge guys than a Jalen Carter, Well,
Chris Jones. I mean, we know, and I say great
defensive tackle, we all name two, Aaron Donald and Reggie White.
If I say great edge rusher, there's twenty we would
(40:49):
name off the top of our head real quick.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Jared Versus was a beast. Okay, you can't put him
above Aiden Hutchinson.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Colm.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Aiden Hutchinson is unbelievable. I know he had the injury,
but that's not an argument. Come on, he doesn't defend
the run, he doesn't anyone else on the line. He's
a one man wrecking crew with no help.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Every gem in the league, if you put those two
out there would take Jared verse every gym.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Let's put that to the test.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Jared Verse. Jared Verse, as a rookie, was a bullying
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is Friday. There is a lot to talk about, Jamack.
I got eight and a half hours of sleep. That
happens once a month, so I'm ready to go. I'm
knocking down Red Bull might as well be Raisinets, Baby.
I'm ready to go. I'm knocking them down. I am
fired up for a Friday, and Jamak, I'm you know.
It's support systems are really important for all of us.
(00:50):
You had very strong parents, which I think is a
great advantage in life. Right. You had good support and
good guidance and siblings. It doesn't always happen in life,
and that's why it's very hot for little league coaches.
And I had great high school basketball. Football coaches were
like surrogate parents for me. I want to talk about
that because I'm seeing something in sports today that it
bumbs me out. So I am a child of divorce.
(01:14):
Without boring you, I had a very strong mom. I
had a great stepdad who stepped in and was my
little league coach, my best friend's dad, Jack Jones. Dad
was like a little bit of a surrogate father. I
was very lucky. My life could have gone sideways really fast.
Mom and dad divorced. Dad leaves very decent human being,
but he was onto another stuff and I'm just kind
(01:35):
of left, just left, and so thank god I had
these incredibly strong people in our life, in my life.
And I know it's an uncomfortable talk. The media doesn't
like this discussion, but Dad's matter a lot on Father's Day.
It matters most of the great athletes I've covered in
my life. Almost every great quarterback, almost every great one,
(01:57):
almost not all strong dad, or if not super strong mom.
Strong guidance because that brain's still developing. At seventeen and
eighteen and nineteen twenty years old, girls mature much faster
than boys boys. At seventeen eighteen nineteen, I said yesterday,
maybe they're valedictorian. Maybe you're getting them out of juviie,
(02:18):
like when you're seventeen eighteen nineteen guys change fast, and
we don't mature as quickly. So I saw a story
this morning. Ace Bailey is this kind of kid that
like his representative, his agent told him, Hey, he told
one of the top five teams not to pick him.
And I'm thinking, where are the adults to help this kid?
(02:39):
Where are he's getting horrible advice? Reportedly he's a good kid,
but when the year started he was considered the second
best player to Cooper Flagg, second best prospect. So he's
already cost himself nine million dollars, dropping from third where
he should have gone to fifth. And by the way,
his teammate Dylan Harper, Ron Harper always in his life
(03:02):
is there? Unfortunately Ace, dad was in and out of
his life. Well, you got mom, you got other people.
This story though, where are the adults to help this kid?
Because he hired an agent, Omar Cooper, And I know
we don't like agents, right, I don't see this happening,
you know to a lot of agents players. This is
(03:23):
Omar Cooper legal issues in the past, not certified agent
by the NBA, one NBA client, Ace Bailey. This is
not the agent you pick. What's the Lebron's agent? Rich
Paul Rich Paul. I've seen him let go of clients
(03:45):
if they won't listen to him. Rich Paul is a
very very good agent, excellent agent. This kid needed Rich Paul.
He needed Rich Paul. He needed a strong, certified, respected
agent because no adults are stepping in for this kid.
I mean quality of agents matter. I've had four, trust me.
There is a big gap in competency in every industry.
(04:06):
But this is a great example where the adults are
not there for this kid. He's reportedly not a bad kid,
but Draymond Green talked about this yesterday. This kid now
already has a reputation, fair or not.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I don't necessarily think it hurt. It didn't hurt. You
went five whooped to do.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
But you're walking into the NBA able to strike, And
I think that's what's the most important to understand. It's
like you're walking in with a question mark on character,
You're walking in with a question mark on work ethic,
you're walking in with a question mark on your.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Cam and and agents and family structure is really important
in NBA basketball because NFL players coming at twenty three,
twenty four, where all young men naturally mature over time, right,
Trust me as a dad that's got six kids in
my life. It's the difference between like eighteen nineteen and
(05:02):
twenty four is two different human beings, especially with boys.
And so this is the time where in the NFL
has a structural advantage over the NBA because kids are
just older, you know, they just boys are older. They
come into the legal but you go eighteen nineteen years old,
and that's when a young man needs guidance. And this guy,
(05:22):
adults are failing this kid. He wouldn't work out for teams.
That's just not what you do. His agent apparently told
like one of the top five teams not interested. That
is not what you do. By the way, the other
guy that the Utah Jazz drafted, Walter Clayton, he's already there.
He's already in Salt Lake. He's there. So this is
(05:43):
one of these situations. I know it's uncomfortable and nobody
wants to talk about it, but those Little League coaches,
those high school basketball coaches, those high school football coaches
man or women, are so vital for boys and young men.
And all I see with this, all I see this
kid is where are the adults where the helpers all
(06:04):
right saw this story this morning. Aaron Judge and Shohey
O Tania been named the American League and National League
starters for Major League Baseball's All Star Game, so they
came out today they list the All Star finalists, so
they break it into like two time periods. These are
now the only people you can vote for for the
All Star Game, and so fans in media, a lot
(06:25):
of them complained about the NBA playoffs the finals, well parody,
no sizzle and no glamour, small markets. That's okay, but
you better not be the same people complaining about the
Dodgers in the National League All Star finalists having a
player at every position, every single position, first, second, short, third, catcher, outfield,
(06:49):
that doesn't even count the pitchers, and Dave Roberts is managing. Okay,
you can't. You got to be consistent. I'm Cole Colin
is consistent. I like most dynasties, Alabama football dynasty, a
little borings, little boring. But today in baseball, the Dodgers,
the Cubs, the Yankees, and the Mets are in first place.
I can't believe the Mets are. They've been playing terrible.
They're all in first place and I'm all in Colin.
(07:10):
What about Cincinnati? I was there once. I went to
the airport. I was told they had great chili. I
tried it. They put spaghetti in it. Wow, revolutionary. Might
as well be Florence, Italy. I'm sorry. And all these
New Yorkers are such phonies and hypocrits complaining about the Dodgers.
I used to work at another network on the East Coast,
and I remember listening to sports talk radio for a
(07:33):
decade out there. Oh, they love the Hot Stove League.
Oh let's go buy this guy and this guy and
this guy. What do you complain about?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Now?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
The Hot Stove League's now an air frar and the
Dodgers have the best one. Get over it. I mean,
Dodgers season tickets should come with the two free tickets
of the All Star Game, apparently, but you know you
can't have both. You can't complain about the NBA All
Star you know, and the Dodgers having all the players
and the Dodgers it's lobsided. I'm all for it. I
(08:05):
said last year the National League Playoffs, the Phillies stack,
Dodgers stacked, Mets stacked, Padres, stacked. It was unbelievable. It
broke like National League playoff records in the last decade.
So the last time, there's been two times that I
can remember rushing to watch the Oscars. It mostly bores me,
it's too pious and precious whatever, but I went and
(08:27):
rushed to watch it was Silence of the Lambs. It
won the Big Five, it won everything. And the last
time I rushed to watch the Oscars was oppenheiber It
won four the Big Five. I don't want to talk
about budgets. It's not my money. All the owners are billionaires.
I want to watch the Dodgers. I like dynasties. I
love the Heatles. It gives you somebody to root for,
(08:48):
root against. But I do find it interesting that there
are people out there complaining about OKC and Indie and
the structure of the NBA, and that's fine. Like I thought,
it was really interesting until Hali and got hurt in
Game seven and it just felt like another game. But
you can't complain about that. And the Dodgers dominating baseball
because it is an All Star team, it is literally
(09:10):
and they've had pitching injuries or they probably have four
pitchers in the All Star Game. They already got the manager,
so I just be consistent on it. I have no
problem with it. I don't go to a movie theater
to watch parody. I went to the movie theater for Oppenheimer.
I go for Tom Cruise movies about once a year.
(09:30):
You'll get me to a movie theater. You know, it's
a great director, two or three great actors. That's what
I want to see. I want to see interesting, I
want to see great and so yeah, yeah, all the
Hot Stove League, that was just that. For ten years.
I listened to that on sports talk radio on the
East Coast. Oh, people just jam the phone lines. Let's
get that guy, Let's get that guy, Let's get that
(09:51):
all star. Nobody in New York was ever saying, you
know what, we're taking too much of the talent. It's lobsided. Well,
it's lobsided now because the Dodger group is richer than
the Yankee group, and they spend a lot of money.
Yankee still spend money too, Mett spend a lot of money.
The Dodgers just spend theirs more smartly. And nothing against Cincinnati,
(10:12):
but spaghetti and your chili does not make you Naples Italy. Okay,
I'm sorry. I'm sorry a little smart Alec this morning.
But it's all the sleep I got in the Red Bull,
all right, j Mack, we got a lot of stuff today.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
We talk about it.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
We got a lot of stuff here.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
I thought you liked Joe Burrow just unloading on Cincinnati.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
My goodness.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well it's when I let's go back to the ACEH.
Bailey thing. Though. All these players mostly, I've never seen
an NBA draft with more guys crying, which I love.
I like the player. I mean, the players go up,
it's a life changing moment. They're happy, it's wonderful. But
we have this one kid, and you're like, man, he's
getting really bad advice. And I don't expect eighteen and
(10:53):
nineteen year olds. I don't expect them to understand and
have the self awareness for the entire process. I leaned
on when I was nineteen or twenty. I leaned on adults.
Thank God for my stepdad and my high school football coach,
and like, thank God for that stuff. And so it's
hard for me. The more I thought about this, the
harder it is to blame Ace Bailey. I think you
(11:15):
have to be culpable. I mean, you're nineteen twenty. But
this is a situation where he needs a gold star,
five star agent because he's getting bad advice.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Hey, you got to hope that the agent doesn't move
to Utah. Ash Bailey then gets under Will Hardy and
the Jazz. The Jazz have a good infrastructure, right, They
got a good coach, good front office.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
He could turn around. Bailey could be the steal of
the draft.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
He just gotta you're right, distance himself from the bad
news back home.
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Speaker 1 (12:23):
So I saw this. The only undrafted player in the
NFL to ever win Defensive Player of the Year is
James Harrison. I know, James, straight shooter, gonna be totally
honest with you. He was talking about Mike Tomlin, the
guy that he got along with very well. Tomlin and
Harrison were very close. I thought this was an interesting quote.
He said, with Mike the Steelers coach, the biggest thing
(12:43):
I guess I like about him is he is a
players coach. What I dislike about Mike Tomlin is that
he's a player's coach, and sometimes it disrupts the team
because he lets certain players get away with certain things
and it becomes an issue with certain players. Certain players
can handle that freedom and some players, as we know
(13:05):
with the Steelers, cannot, And he is what I would
call I always said this McVeigh with the Rams last year,
youngest defense in the NFL, fewest penalties. The NFL, especially
when it comes to playoffs, is about discipline in details.
The Jets had the most penalties in the league last year.
The Cowboys were third. Neither still has their coach, they
(13:25):
have a new coach, discipline in details, win in January
and February. And Mike Tomlin's a tremendous motivator. He is
great at the podium. But they haven't won a playoff
game in eight years, and they haven't beaten an elite
quarterback in the playoffs in over a decade. There's a
lot of players in Pittsburgh policing themselves. I always said,
Mike Tomlin is Pete Carroll podium motivating, fantastic under Pete Carroll,
(13:51):
the Seahawks and his tenure, second most penalized team in
the NFL. Pete Carroll Seahawks, only the dysfunctional Raiders. We're
more penalized. So it's the whole thing. The tone in life,
can be parents, can be coaches is set at the top.
There's a there's a current airlines right now that drives
me crazy, and I don't like their management that that's
(14:14):
that's how it goes. It bleeds down to the crew,
and so playoff football. Andy Reid high volume details, spags
defense for Kansas City details and so what I think
is interesting is that sometimes you can have a guy
that's a little loose in a very strong, detailed culture.
(14:37):
Jalen Ramsey, ioas Fees kind of doing his own thing.
He worked one of Super Bowl with the Rams. Because
the Rams culture is so strict, Jalen Ramsey often bouncing
around now kind of does his own thing, little loose.
So if you have a strong, strong, defiant, detail oriented culture,
you can get away with a player or two that's
a little loose. So what's interesting is the Steelers structure
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at the top is a little loose. And they brought
in DK Metcalf, the most penalized NFL wide receiver since
he entered the league. And they brought in Aaron Rodgers,
and I know, you think I don't like him. I
would say he's not quite as buttoned up as Tom
Brady was, you know, Drew Brees was. You know, Aaron's
(15:23):
gonna show up a little late, gonna be there sometimes
off season. Aaron's kind of doing his own thing, a
little loose, gotten a little looser than he was probably
eight ten years ago. Kind of do his own thing
in the off season. Dk Metcalf plus the Steelers, this
is another reason why Pittsburgh James Harrison just saying what
we all knew is that in Pittsburgh players kind of
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police themselves. How else do you describe this? Eighteen years
without a losing season, eight years without a playoff win.
How do you describe that? That the structure of the
organization is well run, but the coach, the CEO doesn't
run a tight ship. That's how you explain they're never terrible,
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but they don't win in February January, That's what explains
that weird juxtaposition of always pretty good, never can beat
the really great teams. J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
News no, no, turn on the news. This is the
herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
All right, the NBA Draft is complete, and we're gonna
talk about Janice and the Milwaukee Bucks column because, according
to a report, Jannis was closely observing how the Bucks
handled the draft and their free agency moves while he
decides his NBA future. Now, this is a little different
tune than what we heard in the last few weeks,
where oh, Jiannis might stick around and closely monitoring the draft.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Colin, I will remind you the Bucks.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Don't have a first round pick until like twenty fifty, Okay,
so they had to settle for a second round guy,
this gentleman, I won't even guess his first name, but
Markovic is his last name. They took him forty seven.
He plays in the Adriatic League. He's staying over there
next season. He's an even coming to the NBA.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Colin what is happening behind.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
The scenes on Giannis, because I'm calling BS on this
report that Janni's was closely observing the draft.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well, listen, unless you're getting Cooper Flagg, this draft is
not going to produce immediate results. I think the kid
from Baylor will absolutely play as a total disruptor on defense.
I don't think he'll score a bunch, but there's about
three guys to four guys that will literally get into
your rotation and play a lot. This is not an
NFL draft, or you know, it's just not. That's not
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what it is. So the idea that you would wait now,
you could wait for free agency. Houston made a big
splash in free agency. But if Yannis is waiting for
the draft, then then he's not serious about moving like
he wants this. And that's fine. But Milwaukee with Yanna,
who is still dominant and productive in the Eastern Conference
(18:04):
not the West, is a one and done team in
the playoffs, so they're not like a college player away. Yeah,
I mean Dallas has much better roster well, and Cooper Flagg,
as good as he is, is not taking them from
a five seed to a one. What he's going to
do could he's eighteen. He'll have some growing pains, but
he'll be productive. But a d and if Ad Lively
(18:28):
will be their two best healthy players. And then when
Kyrie comes back, he'll be in that group. Cooper will
be at best of four. Caulse he's eighteen years old.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
By the way, some Bucks fans are getting delusional, trying
to talk themselves into Oh Notatum, no Haliburton.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
We got a shot. Can we just pump the brakes
on this nonsense?
Speaker 6 (18:45):
The Calves are a sixty win team they bring back
basically everywhere. The Knicks are vastly superior to the Bucks.
Their roster is, it's not even close. And by the way,
the Bucks are going to lose their center Lopez unless
they want to pay big tax money. They're just gonna
let him walk.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Okay, So then you still got like we like the
Orlando Magic.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I'm telling you Boston and Indiana are still better than
Milwaukee even without those stars.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yes, I think keep an eye on the Atlanta Hawks.
I think the Detroit Pistons. To me, the Bucks, they're
an eight or play in team.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I don't they're They're not a playoff team out west.
Oh hell, you know, no, they're they're a playoff team
because of Jannis in the East. They're not a playoff
team in the West. But they're not one of those
what's that book? It's of mice and man, is it Lenny,
you squeeze that You squeeze the dog too much or
something like it. Yeah, And it's like they've just squeezed
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every ounce out of Yannis. They just can't let him go.
They're squeezing him, and it's like, either to build a
decade for your fan base. I mean, one of the
reasons the Packers are so great is they're always good
and sometimes great, Like Milwaukee had like two to three
years you're like, wow, they're special. Really two years and
(19:57):
since then, it's like, guys stops queezing Yiannis. Let him go.
I mean, get get players. I just I don't. Again,
maybe the small market thing, but it's not like Milwaukee
is that small. I mean you've got the Packers, You've
got the Bucks, You've got Wisconsin, you've got Big ten Sports.
You got the Brewers, who are actually a pretty good
baseball team. It's like they're they're operating like they're desperate,
(20:19):
and it's like two years ago they should have had
a plan going forward, like if this guy leaves or
this guy leaves, it may be time to move Yiannis
and get four I mean these days for Yannis four
ones unprotected, an All Star level player and two reserves.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Oh that's a hall.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well yeah, but this is Yiannis. You could get that
by Ruby Gobar got Colin.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
I just want to remind the Bucks, like, if you
play this dangerous game, Hey, we're just gonna try the
first half of the season.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Then we can move them at the All Star break.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
You always get way less the longer you wait to
trade your star. The move is to deal him early.
I think the Bucks are gonna screw this up. Let's
stick in the NBA real quick. Then Knicks continue their
coaching search to replace Tom Thibodeau. Jason Kidd's name is
still out there, even though Nico Harrison said definitely no,
(21:11):
but an NBA agent gave an interview yesterday saying, I
don't really know how that process is for the Knicks.
I don't even know if the Knicks know what their
process is. Basically, you've got a lot of guys bagging
on the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
What did they do?
Speaker 6 (21:23):
They fired a coach with no plan and now they're
gonna like have a major downgrade. They're interviewing James Barrego
this weekend. Get Excited New York real quick on Jason
Kid Colin. It hasn't been talked about a lot, but
the Dallas Mavericks coaching staff lost three assistants in the
last two weeks.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Guys are jumping ship.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Do they know that Kid really wants out or do
they not trust Nico Harrison.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Something quietly is going on in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, that's I don't know the answer to that. That
I mean, getting Cooper flag and ad back. I think
Dallas that is very suspicious. That's like insider trading in
a company with all the executives are selling stock and
you're like, oh, they were just on barons. It's such
a great stock. Some things I don't That's I'm glad
you mentioned that because I don't know what that means.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Well, I wonder if those guys know Jason Kidd wants
out or Jason Kidd wants an extension and the Maps
aren't given it to him the money he wants, and
he's going to go to the next It just feels
weird with all this momentum of Cooper Flag to be
losing assistance behind the scenes.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I don't know, Nick's never a dull moment. Final story,
Colin is to the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
We haven't talked about him in a few weeks. I'm
sure that life is good in Kansas City. Well, remember
in the draft they took Ohio State tackle Josh Simmons,
who was a super talented player but obviously fell.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Due to a significant knee injury.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Well, Jason Kelsey recently spoke to how good he's looked
so far.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
I've watched a lot of these linemen coming out the
last few years. This kid, I mean, he is the
closest thing I've seen to like a Trent Williams or
like adjacent, like that next level like strength and athleticism.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh, I don't think there's any question. When he was healthy,
he was he was a bull. You couldn't get past him.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
But we're comparing him to a Hall of Famer now.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
No, But I will I will say this, he is
the there is Remember a few years ago when Brett
Veach drafted Trey Smith, who dropped to the sixth round
something yeah, yeah, and he was like a tackle and
it hadn't worked and they moved him inside. How did
that go? He ended up being a very high end starter.
(23:41):
So the feeling is, and this kid's more talented than
Trey Smith. I'll just say this. There is a possibility,
and it may be a strong one, that the steal
of the first round is this kid. There is a
First of all, I'm not overly religious, but God makes
about one or two people a year on the planet
(24:02):
that are six seven three point thirty with good feet.
This kid has it. So I'm not saying he's gonna
be great. But if you told me, oh, there's a
guy that went mid to late first round that's better
than anybody in the top ten, it would be this kid.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
That's a that's a great take. Listen, He's talented. He
was a big time recruit. I'll say this. It changes
the trajectory.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
You know, I'm on the board of Chiefs are not
making the playoffs. This will radically change their season if
they can find a left tackle. Remember they were so
desperate after that Super Bowl loss. They got the backup
swing tackle from the nine zero who hasn't proved Jack squad,
so like that was.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Their potential solution. So if Simmons is healthy it.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Can play, that's a game changer for them.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I mean a lot. Usually at the end of the
first round. Remember the Chiefs got Worthy of the receiver
from Texas.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And my take was, he's a gadget player. You're he's
not a high volume guy. And and and by the way,
that's sort of what he is pretty much like Rashi
Rice will be the volume guy. He is a gadget guy.
And that's a good pick. End of the first round,
I think, you know, like you get into the first round,
top of the second. The Seahawks got a safety from
South Carolina, I think top of the second. That's an
(25:13):
unbelievable pick. Top of the second like a guy that
will come in and be a dynamic starter. Like like,
end of the first round is a little bit of
no man's land. You're taking a guy that's been injured
or he had a little bit of an issue. I mean,
even Brett Beaches missed. Remember the running back from LSU.
They took end of the first round, and then Isaiah
Pacheco goes like six or seventh and he's the star.
(25:33):
So end of the first round it's not a place
you'll want to be a lot of I've talked to
gms of the years after, like the twenty third pick.
Guys would rather trade back and get an extra fourth
round pick. But if this kid could end up being
the steal of the draft in the first round. Jmack
with a.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
News Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line news man.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
See that I get a good night's sleep. So, J Mac,
you and I disagree on two people brought perty in
Austin reeves. But here's what's interesting. So I when I
started my little company, one of the things I learned
very quickly about a year in is you have to
be ahead of everybody on the contracts. You have to
be talking about contracts with your employees a year before
they care about it, because your responsibility for the entire
(26:23):
fiduciary responsibility of the company. So I think about this
stuff all the time, is are you ahead? The Cowboys
and the Lakers get behind on contracts A lot and
you end up paying Dak a fortune. But the Austin
Reeves one is interesting. Don't take any agenda, go into
this with an open slate if you love him. So
the Lakers said, here's eighty nine million, four years, even
(26:48):
though you have a year left, twenty two million a year.
He turned it down. Now, I would pay Austin Reeves
that he's twenty seven years old. You get about twenty
a game. He's in his prime. I could pay him.
With the new TV contracts, I'd have no problem paying
him twenty two million a year for the next four years.
(27:10):
He didn't want to do it. He turned it down
because he wants to go to the een of the
open market, where he would get on the open market
one hundred and eighty three million, which is about forty
four to forty five million annually. I'm not paying Austin
Reeves that or in one year he could be eligible
(27:30):
for five years and two hundred and forty six million
from the Lakers forty nine million. So once he turned down,
which I think is a very reasonable number for maybe
it's a little Laker friendly, but twenty two million a
year not. You know, we saw him get worked in
(27:51):
the playoffs. Playoffs is where the money's at. Derek White's
very good in the playoffs. I said, I like Derek
White as my I think I think you're a great
team if he's your four. Derek White was the Celtics four,
they won a title. Austin Reeves now is a three.
So this is how it works. So you're looking at
Austin Reeves and he goes, I want to go to
the market or in one year, I want the Lakers
(28:15):
to have to pay me forty nine million. Now they
wouldn't have to, they could negotiate it, but you know
how it is. If that's the starting point, that's your max.
You're not going from forty nine to thirty four. So
this is what this is what I've talked about with
Austin Reeves. You've got to get ahead of this thing.
Otherwise you're going to turn into Dak and be You're
going to be trapped. Here's what takes you out of
(28:36):
the championship bubble. More than anything in sports. Paying b
players a money kills you in the NFL with your quarterback,
crushes you in the NBA. And the Lakers also have
a Luca extension this summer. They got to finish. That's
four years and two hundred and thirty eight two million dollars.
You got to sign that, and you're paying lebron a
(28:58):
ton and you also, I mean you drafted some center
who's not really long, not much of a rim protector.
He's a tough guy, physical guy. Eh, you're not very
good at center. So this is a prime example, whether
you like Austin Reeves or not. The Cowboys a story. Now,
the Cowboys are gonna pay Michael Parsons an NFL record
(29:19):
salary that didn't get ahead of it. Dak Prescott didn't
get ahead of it. So once Austin Reeves turns down
twenty two million a year, which I thinks about his value, Okay,
now you're in the forty five million dollars a year,
double that in one year. I'm not going there. So
when I say you got to move Austin Reeves, fall
(29:41):
in like with players, fall in love with your kids,
I'm not going forty five large for Austin Reeves. Twenty two. Yeah,
I'd probably go to thirty. But when that Derek White
contract was offered or discussed on this show yesterday, I'm like, Okay,
Eric White's different better defender. Trust him hitting threes, big
(30:05):
time playoff and finals experience. But this my rule has
always been in sports, outside of injuries, nothing kills championships
like paying B to B plus player players A to
A plus money. Tom Brady, Drew Brees understood that can't
be the highest paid quarterback, can't have the highest cap pit.
(30:28):
Kirk Cousins has had a lot of those, made a
lot of money, not win a lot of playoff games.
All right, we have Chris Bruce Art stops by today.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Oh, I saw this.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It's an interesting topic. So I know I've talked a
lot about Caitlin Clark, but there's a player in the
WNBA that is defending Caitlin Clark and she used an
interesting word to defender, and I want to talk about
(30:58):
this story and the downside to relevance that is coming up.
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Speaker 1 (31:29):
So this is an interesting word. So Paige Beckers an
unbelievable rookie in the WNBA. Caitlin Clark's the most interesting
player in the league. Page Beckers maybe the most talented
young player even I mean overall, she may be more
complete than Caitlyn Clark. And then there's Aja Wilson, who's
the best player in Vegas. So Paige Beckers was denouncing
(31:54):
quote inhumane pressure on Caitlin Clark amid her three point
shooting slump. Inhumane. So let me tell you what's going
to happen in the WNBA. Get ready for it. The
national media is paying attention now, and the criticism is
(32:17):
going to follow suit, and you're going to have a
lot of media jumping in, especially at the other place,
pandering and defending the players to this sudden harsh criticism
because the way it works in my business, more eyeballs,
more opinions, and the WNBA just posted one hundred and
eighty percent growth in a year, so they're now relevant.
(32:40):
So Caitlin Clark is not facing in humane pressure. She
is facing relevance and pressure. If you're Taylor Swift, if
you are the Tiger Woods of women's sports. You are
going to face pressure, and it's an absolute privilege. Whether
(33:02):
you're a talk show host, a star athlete, the number
one pop star in the world, or a politician, it
is a privilege to face pressure cause you matter. And
so for years and years, the WNBA lamented. There's a
lot of tears. We don't get the respect the money
(33:23):
of the men. Well, you didn't deserve it. Right now,
the league's ratings are going up, I mean literally spiking,
and you're negotiating a new TV contract with the relevance hums,
criticism and by the way, praise. There'll be a lot
(33:45):
of praise. There'll be a lot of fluffy pandering at
certain places, not us, but that you'll get that in
a lot of places. But this whole thing is that
it's in humane. No, it's not. No, it's not it's
if you are Caitlin Clark and right now. I did
this the other day. I said, there's about seven untradable
athletes in the world. She's number one. You can't trade her.
(34:07):
I mean even Rinaldo's moved around, Lebron's moved around. Okay,
you can't. You can't trade her, So I thought it
was interesting inhuman No, it's not. It's just the reality
of being relevant. So I was talking about Austin Reeves
and the Lakers just got purchased. And I said at
(34:27):
the time, it shows the health of the league that
they went for ten billion, seventy six billion dollars TV contract.
Regardless of draft ratings or NBA ratings. It's relevant in culture,
relevant with merchandise. It's a relevant league. We don't talk hockey,
it's a relevant league. So but the Lakers became a
(34:49):
mom and pop organization. And I was talking to somebody
two days ago. There's stuff behind the scenes that is boring.
But they just I mean, they didn't go They didn't
have certain scouts that other teams had, they didn't buy
certain like services, analytics services that every other team had.
Believe it or not, Utah Jazz have a lot more
(35:11):
money in the LA Lakers, And I mean, one of
the reasons they gave, you know, one of the reasons
I believe that they're sort of paralyzed by Lebron James,
despite knowing he kind of controls the team is he
sells merchandise. You say what you want about Lebron James.
You go to a Laker game, everybody's got a phone,
all those influencers going to their websites and going to
(35:32):
their blogs and going on their ig and tiktoks showing hey,
I was at the Laker games night. He moves an needle.
But I've said the Cowboys are very similar to the
Lakers in that you think, oh, big money. No, no,
Rams are big money. Castan Kronk's got big money. The
(35:52):
Cowboys are mom and pop. So I saw a story
this morning that Micah Parsons is reportedly going to sign
a historic tracked in coming weeks once again. And I
like Micah Parsons. There are an but he is a
bit of a splash player and he was in college.
He'll make highlight plays. He'll beat really bad corners. I mean,
(36:17):
he's got fifty two and a half sacks in his career.
Ten and a half are against Washington. I think five
and a half are against Carolina, four and a half
are against the Giants. He's got a big chunk of
his sacks on three awful teams until Washington hit on
Jaden Daniels. So witnesses like Austin Reeves, I am willing
(36:39):
to pay a plus money for a plus players. There's
a lot of great defensive players in this league, but
I think the really smart organizations, the really smart organizations
overwhelmingly stay young and cheap on defense. Chiefs in the
Rams accept unless you have an elite defensive lineman. There
(37:05):
are five currently this is it, five current defensive players.
I just pay whatever it takes, whatever the market bears.
Miles Garrett, I'm paying whatever it takes. Jared Verse. You
don't have to pay him for a couple of years, folks.
He's the closest thing I've seen the Lawrence Taylor on
(37:25):
the edge potentially like this kid. He was a rookie
wait until this year, Max Crosby, Patrick Certain and Chris Jones.
Chris Jones an interior defensive lineman. He may not play
for another four years. I'd pay him. And you can say, oh,
what about Hendrick sin with the Bengals so so against
(37:47):
the run. He's thirty years old, so he's also on
the edge. The Aaron Donald's and the Chris Jones that
go inside. It's a lot of those on the planet.
So and as you know, there's like Will Anderson of Houston,
I'd like to see one more year. He's close. Jalen
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Carter of Philadelphia was a little scorely in college. I
worry a little bit about the maturity. Probably really close,
he'd be six. But Micah Parsons, even in college, he
was a splash player. If you go and you're totally
honest about this, boom or bust was great for Jerry
Jones in the oil business. It's not great for pass rushers.
(38:29):
I need boom all the time. That's Miles Garrett or
Jared Verse. So we've talked about this before. How are
you in the playoffs as a pass rusher again, when
when you're in division with awful Washington for years, you're
playing Carolina every other year it's the New York Giants turnstile.
I'm not interested in that. If you look at Micah
(38:51):
Parsons in the regular season and in playoffs, he disappears
in the playoffs four games, one sack, no force fumbles,
not that many quarterback hits. Why Because he's a bully.
He's great against average, the small kids on the playground.
So if Miles Garrett's different. Miles Garrett is the highest
greded defensive player according to PFF in each of the
(39:13):
last three seasons. He's great against the Ravens, He's great
against the Steelers. Miles Garrett is great all the time.
Jared Verse is unblockable. Sharn Armstead a very good tackle
for Miami. He said, who you gonna miss? He goes,
I'm not gonna miss Jared Verse as a rookie. I
don't want to face him anymore. Unblockable. Max Crosby again,
(39:34):
here's a guy. You know. Here's a guy because his
team O was Trails Max Crosby. At the end of games.
A lot of teams play the Raiders. They lead in
their milk in the clock disadvantage for him. Patrick's certain
three straight Pro Bowls. Best corner in football, mature adult
can tackle, can defend short, intermediate, deep. And then Chris Jones,
(39:58):
who remains a guy that you also Chris Jones, which
is really rare. You can move him anywhere. He'll find
the weak spot. He'll go edge, he'll go inside, he'll
go nose, he'll go anywhere. But I'm a big believer
that you don't payt now TJ. Watt, I know you love.
He's thirty years old, okay, and coming on the edge.
Chris is an interior and you just don't. There's not
(40:19):
many of those in the world. I mean Aaron Donald.
I could be wrong on this, j Mac.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I think Eric.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Aaron Donald retired at thirty two.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
So the interior guys don't last very long. There's and
it's much easier to find edge guys. That's why, like
like a TJ. Watter or a Will Anderson, it's much
easier to find the edge guys than a Jalen Carter, Well,
Chris Jones. I mean, we know, and I say great
defensive tackle, we all name two, Aaron Donald and Reggie White.
If I say great edge rusher, there's twenty we would
(40:49):
name off the top of our head real quick.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Jared Versus was a beast. Okay, you can't put him
above Aiden Hutchinson.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Colm.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Aiden Hutchinson is unbelievable. I know he had the injury,
but that's not an argument. Come on, he doesn't defend
the run, he doesn't anyone else on the line. He's
a one man wrecking crew with no help.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Every gem in the league, if you put those two
out there would take Jared verse every gym.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Let's put that to the test.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Jared Verse. Jared Verse, as a rookie, was a bullying
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
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