February 11, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin explains why after 1 game he believes LeBron James and Luka Doncic will work well together for a very obvious reason
He has bad news for Chiefs fans and why they have an uphill battle to remain contenders after another devastating Super Bowl loss
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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on a Tuesday. Football season's over for a while. We
got some Luca Lebron baby Lakers rolling live in Los Angeles.
It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
I don't want to hear the jazz are no good.
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Keep your eye on the jazz, bright future j Mac
Lakers won twelve or fourteen. Now lucas playing with new guys.
You know, Luca got hurt. He's been out since Christmas.
So there's I'm not I was watching last night. I'm
taking what am I doing with Luke? He's not dropping
forty tonight. He needs time to get back into But boy,
that first half of the Lakers Austin Reeves, Lebron and
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Luca Austin Reeves.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Now you like him.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Huh, he's your guy, all right, seventy two and a
half for the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Oh, they're going to the finals, coward.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well, let's just start with this. That's a little hot.
That's a little hot this morning. But when I hear this, yeah,
I don't know if Lebron and Luca are gonna work together.
Go back to Miami. D Wade and Lebron. That wasn't
a good fit. Both need the ball to excel. Neither
a great shooters. They were just two great athletes and
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they ended up getting the four straight finals.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Stephen, Katie and Klay Thompson one ball. Three guys that
need it.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Last night, Lebron and the Lakers second highest plus minus
for Lebron this season and the Lakers had their second
highest point title Between the Warriors, the Heatles and Lebron
and Luca. What a all three have in common in basketball?
Smart guys figure it out. A lot of stars, can't.
They lack self awareness, right, the egos, the lack of
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self awareness. I mean, the OKC Westbrook mellow thing. It
just didn't work. Katie, Steph Clay worked, the Heatles worked,
Lebron and Luke Austin Reeves it's gonna work. I mean,
last night before the game, Lebron's like, don't worry about
fitting in, We'll work around you.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Just go score.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And I think that's chemistry is an issue when you
have selfish guys and insecure guys and guys with no
self awareness. You know, Harden and Kyrie playing with Katie
and Brooklyn. Katie was great. The other two guys were
a pained. They hurt chemistry. So Lebron and Luca are engaged.
They're smart, they have huge brands, so they're very, very
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secure in who they are. Both excellent passers. The only
weird part for me is how the hell is Lebron
still this good? What's in that whiney's drinking? I swear
he looks like he's in year twelve or thirteen. Lebron's amazing,
But if you go back to the Heatles in Miami,
they didn't have any side Joel Anthony, remember him, Joel
Anthony was a sixty nine and a half center. They
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had no true point guard. But it was one of
the smartest teams I've ever seen. Shane Battier, Ray Allen,
Lebron haslam. I mean, it's just everybody Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade,
they just made it work. Draymond, Steph Clay, you know
k D. Smart guys just make it work. So now
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Lucas rusty Okay, never played with these guys, I don't
care about practice, never played game speed with these guys.
Hasn't played in a long time. And the Lakers do
have an issue, and it's a real issue. They have
no rim protection. Jackson Hayes is a fun guy on
alley oops, and you saw a lot of alley oops
last night, but they don't have any rim protection. So
when the Mark Williams deal from Carolina did not go through,
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the Charlotte deal, that's kind of a bummer. Now, like
Robert Williams, who the Celtics had for years, didn't He
wasn't available very much, but when he was available, he
changed the temperature in the room. So they're gonna have
to address that on the market if they can find somebody.
But I'll say this about the Lakers last night when
I watched them, especially in the first half, because they
put the game away in the first half, it felt young,
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it felt fun, it felt fresh. I looked it up
this morning. Ten more threes. They took ten more threes
than average. There were more alley oops, you know what,
three pointers everywhere again Austin, Reeves, Lebron and Luca. Yes
they all need the ball, but you know what, smart
guys figured out. And Staples was roaring all the Luca jerseys.
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I think this thing is gonna be excellent, and I'll
get to it a second why I think they can
win the West. But here was Luca and JJ Reddick
after It was.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
A little nervous before.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
I remember when was the last time I was nervous
before the game. So, but once a step on the cory,
it was fun and just being on there again felt amazing.
It's new team, knew everything, but like the way they
helped me. Teammates Rob Jenny, Jenny, just a lot of
support for me. You can see why I'm coming to Arena.
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I saw the Luca jerseys. It was just surreal feeling.
Sometimes you can have agendas in a game. I felt
like this for our group was just a no agenda
game beyond winning a basketball game and playing the right
way with our three guys who are going to be
our primary creators. Like they all did it really well
and I think our guys will get accustomed to the
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Luka passes for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Listen, the Lakers felt like they went from analog to digital,
and if you look at the Western Conference standings, why
can't they get there? Memphis is number two. I don't
trust them. They play very fast, great pacing. I'm not
sure if that transfers to the playoffs. Denver is horrific defensively.
Now Jamal Murray's healthy, aget and playing well, They're a
bad defensive team. The Rockets can't shoot super young. I
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think they're a regular season team. I think there'll be
a one and done in the playoffs. Clippers, do you
really trust them? So I look at the West. The
best team I've seen in the NBA by a long
shot is the Celtics. I watch them hammer the Knicks again.
Boston's the best team in the league. OKC is very
good that I won't deny, and I'm not sure if
the Lakers can beat them, although it feels like to
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me they've matched up with him pretty well the last
couple of years with Ad and Lebron. So my takeaway
is I watched last night. It was a lot of threes,
a lot of alley ups, it's only going to get better.
I mean, Luke hasn't played in forever. First game with
the guys. I think if they could figure out I
said that before. If the Mark Williams thing would have
gone through, I would have had no problem saying Lakers
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in the final. I don't know if they can beat Boston,
probably not, but I think they could get there. I
don't know if they can win the West, but I'm
watching all that.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's an offensive sport, right, I mean, defense matters, but
people get frustrated when Jason Tatum doesn't take the game
over offensively, not defensively. So I'm reading this story about
the Super Bowl ratings and one hundred and twenty six
million viewers for the Super Bowl fifty nine. First of all,
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it's more than that, but it's hard to track how
many people actually watch. The Nielsen ratings. They do count
out of home viewers, but you don't really have an
exact count on that. You're kind of guessing. At some point,
I think it probably was closer to one hundred and
thirty six million. And the second thing is this wasn't
Let's be totally honest about this, it wasn't a good game.
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The peak of the rating was in the second quarter.
What if it had been an overtime game, could you
get to one hundred and thirty to thirty five million.
But there's a lot of reasons why I think the
NFL keeps extending their season and adding games because there's
an insatiable appetite for it. We never get tired of it.
And the other thing is there's a reason they keep
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playing games now in Australia and they're going to go
to Brazil again, and they're going to go they won
the US market. If you dominate America, spread your wings.
So when people complain about games overseas, why not they
own the country. And I think there's a lot of
reasons why the NFL is king. It's a once a
week sport. But that's always been true. But we didn't
have the iPhone and TikTok in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties.
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We are a very very distracted nation. It is harder
to get people's attention Monday through Friday, and the NFL
is a once a week game. The second thing is
it's a really good television product. Not just because I
work at Fox, NBCCBS, ABC are great too, but the
production of the television product is outstanding. The other thing,
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it's relatable football players. There is no load management. They
plan the snow, they plan the wind, they plan the rain.
Like the rest of us. They just go to work
when they're not one hundred percent. It's totally relatable. The
other thing is they make big changes regularly. They bailed
on Oakland, they upgraded to Vegas. They bailed on San Diego.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I know it hurts.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
They upgraded in LA. They bailed on Saint Louis. They
they'd bail on Jacksonville tomorrow if they could. They're not
going to be burdened by tradition. They're not going to
worry about what the hardcore traditionalist and the romantic thinks.
They're going to take swings in the ball. And I
think that constantly pivot on rule changes. Baseball struggles with that.
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Basketball makes changes sometimes though they feel a little bit
like they're out of desperation. Last week they're talking about
shorter quarters. Who's ever worried about how long a quarter is?
We worry that you got too many games or load management,
and so I think there's a lot of reason for
the changes. I just think more than anything. It's a
very well run league by adults. Agents run baseball, players
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run the NBA. Economically, it is two times the size
of the NBA, yet feels like it's nimble like a sailboat.
It can turn quickly during a Super Bowl. Rule changes
always willing to change, and somebody told me this years
ago that anytime there's a change, basketball thinks of it first.
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Baseball makes the most money out of it, and football
gets it right. And I think the NFL, more than
any league, just consistently gets it right when changes are needed.
They don't pander. Agents and the players don't run the league.
They're like every good company I've ever worked for. And
none of the companies I've ever worked for that are
very well run are run by the employees. They value
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the employees, they pay the employees, they treat the employees well.
It's not run by the employees. I should not be
running Fox. I should not be running it. I'm treated well,
I shouldn't be running it. And so there you go.
The number is huge. I think it's probably bigger than that.
And it was not a very competitive game. We got
a lot of things. Nick Wright joins us in fifty minutes.
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It's been a very rough forty eight hours for Nick.
You know, he was due for a bad weekend, j Mac,
he was due.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Can I give you a peek behind the curtain. One
of our smart producers hit me up this morning, was like, hey,
can you bring in a violin to play during the
Nick Wright segment? And I tried to find a violin
this morning, No dice, but I yeah, we feel bad
for him. You know, it's just yes, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Tireless, barely slept last night.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I tried to tell them.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
They weren't a good team all season record, be damn
you you were right, and they looked awful.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Then if you go back to that Houston game, I
was choppy.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
We're a very friendly whistle, there shall we say.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I'll ask, though, Colin, like, where was the leadership on
the sideline when they were getting their butts kicked twenty
four to nothing. You know, there's a lot of video
out there of Tom Brady in that Atlanta Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, fired up the truth, let's go, come.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
On, guy, we're not done and I saw none of that.
You know, the chief just looks shell shocked, like, wait,
we're not winning. We're not winning we're not coming close
to winning. It was kind of embarrassing. Where's the leadership,
Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, I didn't see it, did you.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't look to my coaches for that. They got
a headset on or they're trying to maneuver. I think
I think players have to inspire players. I think generationally
it means more coming from another player. If a great
player's on the sideline at twenty eight years old, marketing
at a twenty five year old, I think that has
incredible impact. I don't think coach marketed a player. Coaches
market players. It's called practice, and so when you get
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into a game. I do think it's up to players
to help motivate players. There's a lot of tape of
Troy Aikman. He's on his players, Peyton Manning on his players,
and I think there's value. I mean, I've seen Lamar
Jackson on the sideline talking to his own line, getting
guys fired up.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That stuff matters.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Something for Mahomes to work on in the offseason.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, a couple of things. Gotta get a left tackle baby.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
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Speaker 1 (12:31):
So in New Orleans, there was a lot of talk
about Deebo Samuel potentially getting traded very good chess piece
right from the San Francisco forty nine ers to maybe
another team they'd probably like to get him over to
the AFC, And Deebo Samuel was asked and he didn't
mind kind of tweaking the forty nine ers. There's an
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AFC team that he likes talking about.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Oh, Nigs is playing really really good ball right now.
Defenses is outrageous. Yeah, Pisu out there, who's I would
say the best at the position right now, probably been
for the past two years. The other on the other side,
I just think you need a couple more pieces than
it'd be what it needed to be and just have
to get past Pat Mahomes every year.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I do think he has value. He seems like a
nice kid, but he can be noisy often. And this
is just a reminder to all the general managers in
the NFL. Every top running back that went to a team,
Dereck Henry to Baltimore, Josh Jacobs to Green Bay, Saquon
Barkley to Philly, Joe Mixon to Houston, Aaron Jones to Minnesota,
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JK Dobbins to the Chargers. Those teams all made the playoffs.
They were productive and valuable and mostly quiet, good team guys.
They changed the physicality of the team, the temperature of
the offense. They were also very valuable for either older
quarterbacks are new ones. All those running backs changed the
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teams now looks. Look at the wide receivers who moved around.
Davante Adams to the Jets, didn't move the needle. Calvin Ridley, Yeah,
he went to Tennessee. How'd that work out? Stefan Diggs
to Houston? De Hopped to the Chiefs? Did he play
in the Super Bowl? Amari Cooper to Buffalo, Gabe Davis
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to the Jaguars? Did any of those guys have real
impact in a really big game. Wide receivers, I'll say
it again, are too often the convertible sports car of
the NFL. Fun and flashy, but when it gets cold
and windy December on, not that useful. They don't make
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your team tougher. They tend to be at times, and
I don't know exactly why Needy pay attention to me.
Throw the ball at me. Buffalo got better when Stefon
Diggs left. And I like Stefan Diggs, I like him,
I like Davonte Adam. He didn't have any impact. Six
of the highest paid nine receivers, six of nine missed
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the playoffs. The Niners don't need Debo. You know what
brought Perty needs Christian McCaffrey back. I mean, look at
Joe Burrow. How good Joe Burrow is. Look at how
great of a year he had. He has Jamar Chase
and T Higgins, the best receiving combo outside of Philadelphia
or maybe better in the league. They didn't make the playoffs. Okay,
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this whole idea a couple of years ago of running backs,
and this is a great running back draft if you
need a running back in the NFL, like the Chargers do,
if you need a running back or a defensive tackle,
this is an unbelievable draft.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Not great for quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It may not be great for centers or linebackers, dts
and running backs.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Niners could use one, Chargers could use one, The Raiders
could Chew used one, the Patriots could use one. Tennessee
could probably use one. But It's nothing against Debo, but
the centerpiece of this team is Shanahan and Christian McCaffrey.
It's not Brandon, I Yuk, it's not Deebo, Samuel and
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I and I like both those guys.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
No, no, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Well, Colin, let's get started with Luca's debut last night
against the MAVs. And sorry, Luca's debut last night for
the Lakers one spectacular. The MAVs were also playing at
the same time in Colin. It went extremely poorly. A
fan shouted fire Nico and later held up a sign
with the same phrase.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Him and his buddy were escorted out of the arena.
It was ugly in Dallas. I don't know if you
see these videos.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Oh no, I have.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
The Dallas team spokesperson said, the fans broke the NBA's
code of conduct. Saw that for a sign that said
fire Nico, and then Jason Kidd, knowing he was reading
the room, he said, you know what, I'm gonna skip
the postgame best ofference, but the Map did lose in overtime.
Demarg Rosen at a big time clud shot Klay Thompson
did not duck the media. Here's what he said about
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the Shenanigans.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
It's not our job to get deflated because people are upset.
Our job is to try and convince them that there's
really great days ahead, not just for this year, but
for the next few years. I really believe that we
can do something incredibly special. People are gonna say stuff,
and that's understandable. I was a fan, I'm still a fan.
If I agree with the trade, I'll probably voice my
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opinion too. That's the beauty of sports. And now you
go there to yell, and he ran bunctious. Sometimes things are.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Not trending well for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Now in fairness, in fairness for this year, I could
argue they are much better constructed soup to nuts than
the Lakers. Well if healthy, no, no, no, right, But let's
be to Anthony Davis, I mean lost in all of this,
all this emotion by Dallas. Anthony Davis a top six
to seven player. Kyrie's an unbelieable score, they have excellent size,
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they have an excellent coach.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well, Colin, here's the problem. Nobody's healthy. AD's probably gonna
miss ten to twelve games. That's what they wanted to either.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
PJ. Washington did not play last night. Okay, it was
the Kyrie Irving show.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
He's logging heavy minutes on that old body that has
been prone to break down.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Daniel Gafford got injured last night. He played ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Lively's out probably the rest of the regular season. Stuff
starting to add up. Then you add in this fan
stuff that's going on.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm on record.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I wrote this for Fox Sports before the Luca trade.
I think the Mats are going.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
To miss the playoffs. And I'm an Anthony Davis guy.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I like him. I think Top seven is a little rich.
But Colin, if they missed the playoffs, do you have
to fire this guy?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Nico Harrison, you know he did make the Kyrie deal
he got criticized for it's been a great deal. Well,
he did make the trade deadline deal last year. That
was a great deal.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
But that was all around Luca. Hey, Luca, you got
a number too, and Kyrie Irving. Great, Kyrie, you don't.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Have to be a leader because Lucas they got.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
In all gms in the NBA outside of like RC
Buford and pat Riley, they all get fired so pretty much. Yeah,
I mean, I will go back to something a source
told me about Nico and he's known this this My
source is non Niko for twenty two years.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I think.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I think ownership was staring down the barrel of paying
a player seventy four million a year, seventy four millions,
like double what Mahomes is making, close to it.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But the CAP's going up.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Come on, Yeah, yeah, you know what, Foxes making more money.
They're still looking at numbers at the company and thinking
does that valuation work for somebody that's out of shape,
doesn't play defense and not available.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Luca was not playing like injured.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
He is injured. It happens, you know, it doesn't happen
to Lebron.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Defending happened to Lebron.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Hey, do you remember when the MAVs had a press
conference way back celebrating Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
And Luka Doncicic. Remember that?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, they lost both of those guys. Those are top
ten players in the league.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Colin, this is bad derk Davitski, mister MAVs was out
here at the Laker game last night. I know he was.
I'm just telling.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Maybe you know, Mark Cuban sold a majority of his state.
Maybe he knew something, Maybe he knew this was coming.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Well, you know, the other story is one of the
Bucks owners unloaded a bunch of his stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And people are thinking, oh, wait a minute, what's going
on in the.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Honest I think he's Gianni's gonna be in play this offseason.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I think Giannis absolutely, And I.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Think with the Milwaukee's not going to beat Boston, Like,
let's get past that.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Are they getting out of the first round? I mean,
are they good?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I think Dame's playing much better. I think Dames had
a really good year.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
This Luca thing's eye opening around the league, like if
Lucas created.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
But let me let me just I'm not defending the
Mavericks now.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I'm saying it was one thing when the max contract
was planning playing Lebron thirty five million, So congratulations to
the players and getting all this money. But when you're
asking me to pay you double of mahomes and you're
not in great shape back to back camps, you weren't there,
you're not playing, you don't necessarily care about half the game,
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the defense. It's a whole different ballgame.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's one thing if I'm paying if I'm a billionaire
and I have to pay because remember Luca qualified not
only for the max contract, but because of his MBPS,
he was gonna make seventy five million. I'm watching Kawhi,
I'm watching Embiid. I'm watching my hurt guy who's not
in great shape. It's really easy for everybody that's not
writing the checks to just say, that's seventy four million,
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he's great. You start the NBA players, the superstars thought
they won.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Look at what we can get with the map the max.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
But when the max is seventy five million, I'm gonna
count everything. Your defense, how you treat teammates, Are you
in good shape? Are you available? I think these owners
are looking around at Kawhi and Embiid and are like, no,
I'll go buy three other players.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Since you referenced Mahomes, we've talked about his dad bought
on the show.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
That guy. It's not like that guy's an under our model.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Okay, so let's not bag on Luca Dodgeons being like
out of shape.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Sure he showed up, maybe a little chubby, was to fifty.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Five seventy five million. I'd like you to be in shape.
I'd like you to show up for camp. I know
it's asking a lot. They'd like me to be here
at least four days a week.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
How about yo, kid?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Do you see any abs on that guy or you
see some man boobs? What's going on there? Come on, listen,
some of these guys are not in super shape like Lebron.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
All right, let's get to the NFL. Ian Rapaport of the.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
NFL Network reports the Saints have hired Eagles offensive coordinator
Kellen Moore. They're finalizing a deal. He's I didn't realize
Kellen Moore's only thirty five. Unbelievable. He's starting a new
job for the fourth season in a row, but it's
his first time being a head coach.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Interestingly, Colin Brandon.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Staley is a hot name to be his defensive coordinator,
reuniting the coordinators from the Chargers a couple of years
ago when it didn't quite work.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
He'll be fine. Oh really, they don't have any cap room.
They got a lot of issues. I think that's gonna
be for the next couple of years of dead franchise.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Well, they still winning.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Record before he's fired in four years.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Oh, he won't last four three?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, I don't think that's reason it's not gonna go well.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
I just they don't have cap space. They don't have
a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean, does Derek Carr feel like he's just he's
a New Orleans guy. It doesn't feel like Breeze it does.
I just don't think they have enough good players. And
I think the NFC, as we watched Philadelphia in the playoffs,
the NFC is getting better really really fast, and it's
like New Orleans feels like they're in cap hell.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
They won't finish last if Carolina continues.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Oh, I think I would. If I picked today, I
would have Saints last, because I think Carolina is on
the way up.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
They're on the lptic.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
This SENTNINS final story is interesting with the Dallas Cowboys.
You know, they spent last offseason dragging out contract extensions
for Dak and Cdee Lamb, and they did come to
terms of four week one, but it was a dist
action all summer. And now you've got Micah Parsons and
all this chatter.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Will he be traded? He's heading into the final year
of his rookie contract. Is he going to break the bank?
Does he get traded?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Will Ceedee Lamb has weighed in Colin saying, aren't you
all tired of this every off season.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Top of the charts. Let's just win ball games. And
that's with eleven shaking my head. Now, he's got a
good point. This is almost a direct.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Shot at Jerry Jones, is it not? This is every
off season in Dallas. Let's string it out or in
the headlines, that's what Jerry wants.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Is this good for the team.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
No, I'm telling you there are so many interesting teams
in this league, and Dallas is not one of them.
I don't even find they're chaos interesting. They're to me,
they're the Saints, Like I just they're not there. Are
they topic worthy? I mean, there's so many teams now.
I mean, Philadelphia is obviously great. Here comes Washington, you know,
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the Packers, Minnesota, Chicago next year is fascinating, Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Flow, Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I mean, there's just so many Chargers with hardball now
all of a sudden, the Raiders with Pete Carroll. If
they get Shador Sanders, I'm like, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And the Giants get a quarterback and get out of
the base.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
That's Stafford story in New York is crazy. To me,
if you're Matt Stafford, I'm going to leave playing Indoors
with Les Sneed as my owner, Sean McVay is my coach,
Puka Naku is my leading receiver, and that defense.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I'm going to go to New York.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Well, if you can get Cooper Cup and Malague neighbors,
they don't give me, they will not be last place
in that division.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You want to play the Eagles twice, Jade Daniels twice.
You're in a division now with Kyler Murray, Rock Perdy,
Geno Smith, Indoors, richest owner, arguably best or second best coach,
and a defense that will carry you for the next
four to five years. I'm leaving that because I don't
get at what I want.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Rams almost beat the Eagles. They had a drive right
there at the end of the game. They played the
Eagles the toughest of anyone.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Oh, there's the postseason, and.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
They had in the last two years, they've lost the
Lions and the Eagles. On a play when they completed
that ball up the sidelines to Kokanakoa, You're sitting there thinking.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Holy they're gonna win this game. Yeah, And I'm leaving
that to go to the Giants.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Sounds like a leverage play I think.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I mean, I like Matt Stafford, but he's not getting younger.
And the Rams finally got their offensive line figured out
and they're drafting an offensive tackle first or second pick
less need Sean McVay, Stan Kronkey playing indoors in a
market where the media leaves you alone. I mean the
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LA media basically leaves Jarrett Goff was invisible when he
was here and he got to a Super Bowl. You
couldn't find him in a phone book. You can hide
in Los Angeles. You quarterback the Giants. You are front
back page of the tabloids. It's not a good roster.
We don't love the GM. The owner's not as rich.
Like I'm not saying that because I live in Los Angeles.
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There are places he could go and I would be like, oh,
I get it, that's not one of them. J Mack
with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
I got so much stuff today. I am. I am.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I know you're I know you're thinking like, oh, that's
an LA take no, no, no no. If I'm just thinking
off the top of my head, if Matt Stafford was like, Okay,
Seattle's interesting. Well, I like Seattle's roster. I mean, DK
metcalf Smith and Jigba good running backs. Like I could
see like that, it's not gonna happen. He's not gonna
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go to you know, they're not gonna move him. He's
not gonna go to Seattle. But like that roster is
interesting to me. And there are there are places, I
mean like Minnesota says, you know what, we don't want
JJ McCarthy, we want Matt Stafford. I get Kevin O'Connell.
I got Justin Jefferson. I play indoors at home. It's like, no,
I get that move too. The Giants, Well, what are
you doing that? That doesn't even seem interesting to me
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at all? Yeah, I want to throw this out there.
So every time but he gets close to Tom Brady
and you start talking about maybe Tom's not the goat,
bad things happen. So Aaron Rodgers back in twenty fourteen,
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got his second MVP. He had a Super Bowl Trophy.
Remember everybody started saying Aaron throws a little better ball
than old Tommy. From twenty fifteen until today, Aaron Rodgers
ran through head coaches five and five in the playoffs.
There was Peyton Manning in twenty thirteen, when you started
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hearing after his fifth MVP. Manning maybe better than Brady,
and though he did have success in Denver, he aged
very fast by thirty eight years old, and he did
win a super Bowl in a year where he threw
nine touchdowns and seventeen picks and had a seventy five
passer rating in a Super Bowl rung. Tom when he
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retired at forty five, was still a top five quarterback.
And Mahomes this season, you started really hearing about it
early in September and October. If he wins a third,
I think we have a new goat. Mahomes finished the
regular season as the sixteenth highest passer rating and just
turned in the ugliest Super Bowl performance arguably of our lives.
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So just to give you a sense on the gap
between Brady and everybody else, if you just think about this,
if you cut Tom Brady's career in half and just
take the final twelve years, just the final twelve years,
so it's the end in New England and Tampa. He
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has four super Bowls, an MVP and fifty four thousand
passing yards, which is more than John Elway. He has
twenty playoff wins just in the second half of his career,
which is the most playoff wins by any quarterback of
all time. I'm not counting the early dynasty. Just think
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about that. And Old Brady, by the way, did face
Patrick Mahomes, blew him out in the Super Bowl and
beat him in overtime at Arrowhead in the AFC Championship
in a game of inches. Brady is several hundred yards
from number two, from Joe Montana, from Lway, from Peyton Manning,
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and from Patrick Mahomes. But Colin, if he would have
won Sunday, it's not just that he lost. It's just
for the second time in the Super Bowl he was awful,
didn't adjust, overwhelmed, looked shook, and not just losing it
whatever that was. That leaves a mark like right, like
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you can lose. I mean Tom Brady lost to Philadelphia
Philly Special. He never punted. He lost because the head
coach benched Malcolm Butler, which really really disrupted the locker
room vibe. The defense just did not come to play.
For the only time in Belichick Super Bowl history, didn't
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show up. Players bothered by it. That was the biggest
loss in Tom brady Super Bowl career was a Philadelphia
game where he didn't punt. So it's like, whether it's
Aaron Peyton or Mahomes the miny. You start getting into that,
you know, it's a coin flip. It could go either way, Nah.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
It couldn't.
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Speaker 4 (32:38):
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Speaker 1 (32:44):
The So last night Lebron and Luca in Los Angeles,
and first half was great and Utah is not very good.
Now Lebron and Luca go to Salt Lake City. I
think is it tomorrow night they play them. So it's
one of those you see that a lot feels like
on the West Coast. You get those back to back game.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I think Utah's got a bunch of draft picks. They're
like a younger version of Oklahoma City. Like they haven't
landed their stars, but they've got Kessler, the big guy
that got Lori marketing, and they got They've got some dudes.
They're just not there yet. Very young team. But I
was thinking about Lebron and Luca last night and listen.
I've always said I think Austin Reeves is a number
four in a championship team, maybe a three.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
He's playing a really good basketball.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
But I was thinking about the best tandems in basketball
right now, and it's not just scoring. I think there's
a lot of components that go into it. I think
the Lakers are not very good around the basket. Defensively,
Jackson Hayes is more of an offensive guy, an ali
up guy, kind of finn not a defensive guy. But
I was thinking to myself, what are the best ten
tandems because I'm watching Lebron and Luca last night. They
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looked great and Lucas not close. I mean he didn't
shoot the ball particularly well. He didn't have his legs
under him. It's the first game of the new guy.
I mean, he could drop thirty against Utah in Salt
Lake City and you wouldn't be surprised. So these are
my top ten current duos.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
In the NBA.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I actually think Steph Curry Jimmy Butler work because one's
the ball handler shooter, and one's the defender and the
aggressive guy that Cam score. They're two and zero since
they put him together, and I think Steph just needed
a really good number two when Jimmy's a number one.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I don't think you're a championship team.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
If Jimmy's a two and you've got a good three
in Draymond Green that I think he would win a
playoff series or two. Steph, Steve Kerr run the show. Draymond,
Jimmy Butler, aggressive defense.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I'd put him at ten. I would put Sga and
Jalen Williams at number nine. Now SGA's a bucket. He's
just impossible to stop. Jalen Williams is only I looked
it up this morning, twenty three years old.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Lord.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Now a lot of people think it's Sga and Chet Holmgren,
but home Grin to me is just not healthy enough
to consider him an elite duo. At number eight, Jannis
and Dame Giannis is banged up a little bit. Dame's
playing very very well. Like last year, they were struggling
to figure out the chemistry and Dame was coming off injuries.
I think he's playing really good right now. And I
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also think they do fit because Jannis covers up some
of Dame's weaknesses defensively when they had to move Drew
Holiday to bring in Dame. He got better on offense,
worse on defense. I still think I think Kyle Kuzma
was a nice get for them because I thought Chris
Middleton had peaked and was going down. I think Kuzma helps.
I don't know how much it helps, but it helps.
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I think number seven. I think these guys are underrated.
Kyrie and Ad. Now Ad is banged up a d.
Don't listen to j Mack. This guy has been a
top six or seven player in the NBA the last
two years. He got hurt. He hadn't been hurt much.
He's a tremendous player, and again not a lot of ego.
Great defensive player can give you twenty five a night.
And you know Kyrie can be some maintenance. But he
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got along well with Luca and he is a tremendous score.
So I would put them at seven. I think Wemby
and Darren Fox is really good. They're probably a year away.
I don't think people real how good of a score
year in Fox is. He's twenty five to night. And
they got Chris Paul on this team. He got the
Yukon guard who's just getting better with time. San Antonio
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is a year away from potentially winning the West. I
think this is a great move for them. I really
like their scouting and drafting. I just think they're too young.
But I'd put Wemby and the Aaron Fox at the
six best NBA duo. I would put Jalen Brunson in Cat.
They really feed off each other. By the way, Jalen
Brunson assists almost eight a game career high. Why Cat
and Kat, by the way, is shooting forty three percent
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from three? Why because a lot of it he's getting
open looks because Jalen Brunson draws so much attention.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
I don't think this is a championship team.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I've watched them play the Celtics twice and just get
bull dozed.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
But I like this duo.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Karl Anthony Towns can drive you crazy, but there is
no doubt he is a very, very gifted offensive player.
Number four a Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley. They're young,
but at least Mobley is. They're They're both average and
twenty a game plus and five assists. They have the
number one offense in the NBA. I know we stopped
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watching him when Lebron left. They're fun to watch, young, aggressive.
You know, Mobley's a guy that came out of USC
and he was a fast riser in the draft.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
He just keeps getting better. So I'd put them at
number four.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I'll do Jokic and Murray at number three now Murray
is healthy again.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Jokic is absolutely great.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
He's averaging a thirty point triple double this season almost
so I think Jokic remains the best player in the
league right now, unstoppable player. They don't play a lick
of defense, so I don't think they're a championship team.
Murray is on pace to average twenty one and a
half points in seven and a half rebounds assists during
this five or six game streak when he got healthy again.
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I always like Jamal Murray, not as much as Jay Mack,
who has beating that drum for years. They're a bad
defensive team, but I would put them at number three.
I would put number two Tatum and Brown. They're not
the highest scoring duo, but they're versatility, smart guys both ends.
They're just excellent and by the way, they've been playing
together so long now they take turns closing out corners
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in games they're excellent, and they're different personalities. I think
Jalen Brown's more aggressive, but they're both in their prime,
they're both signed long term, they're both coachable, they don't
need to score to affect games. I'd put them at two,
and I think Lebron and Luca are number one. Luca's
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not close to where he's gonna be after give this
thing ten games, Luca's going to be back to thirty
two a night. I can't even figure Lebron out. I
can't figure out how he's this good. It makes no sense.
Lebron is playing like it's year thirteen. So I think
they're the number one now. Now they're a more lethal
scoring duo than Brown and Tatum, but Brown and Tatum
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are both in their prime. So Jmac, first of all
your reactions. I'm sure you are overjoyed with this over
the year.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So makes your Wes when he posts this on social media,
mentions No, Kevin Durant and Devin.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Booker, I can't, well really because I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I mean, I had one Binyama and Fox on mine,
but like Combine, they have zero playoff series wins.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Well, their kids there, they're first of all there's an
argument san Antonio in the second half of the regular
season now will be a significantly better than the first.
I mean, Dearon Fox, you're just throwing a bunch of
kids together. I told this during the morning meeting this morning.
The one team in the NBA to watch out for
is the San Antonio Spurs. They're gonna get into the
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playoffs and they're gonna knock somebody off because that team
they just threw Dearon Fox into this thing, and they
got that kid from yukon that castle.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
He's awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
He is awesome. San Antonio is the team that is.
We saw this with Dallas last year. A team starts rising,
they make moves at the trade deadline and you look
up and you're like, nobody wanted to play Dallas. San
Antonio is not quite that good, but the s are
dangerous the next three months.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Booker and kd is one omission. You could make a
case uh DeMar Derozen and Sibonas.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
And no, I'm just kidding. What are the Kings fans
on staff put me up to that?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
But the legit one that I got asked about, and
I know you're not a fan, is Ja Morant and
Jaron Jackson in Memphis. They are playing out of their minds.
John Morant's got his act together. Jackson's having the best
season of his career.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
He might be all NBA.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
They had even Damn he just nipped that right now.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Spurs just added Daron Fox and there are only three
wins behind the Suns.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, they're twelfth in the West coming.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
And that's not a knock on Booker and Kevin Durant.
But when I say that, do you think dynamic? I
think there are things Booker does very well score. There
are things also interesting.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I see one, two, three, four of these.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Duos just got together last week.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
That's pretty wild.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Huh a great.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
It was a monster week for the NBA.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
People were, oh, it's the best week of the NBA
in years.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Nurse
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Keep your eye on the jazz, bright future j Mac
Lakers won twelve or fourteen. Now lucas playing with new guys.
You know, Luca got hurt. He's been out since Christmas.
So there's I'm not I was watching last night. I'm
taking what am I doing with Luke? He's not dropping
forty tonight. He needs time to get back into But boy,
that first half of the Lakers Austin Reeves, Lebron and
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Luca Austin Reeves.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Now you like him.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Huh, he's your guy, all right, seventy two and a
half for the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Oh, they're going to the finals, coward.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well, let's just start with this. That's a little hot.
That's a little hot this morning. But when I hear this, yeah,
I don't know if Lebron and Luca are gonna work together.
Go back to Miami. D Wade and Lebron. That wasn't
a good fit. Both need the ball to excel. Neither
a great shooters. They were just two great athletes and
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they ended up getting the four straight finals.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Stephen, Katie and Klay Thompson one ball. Three guys that
need it.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Last night, Lebron and the Lakers second highest plus minus
for Lebron this season and the Lakers had their second
highest point title Between the Warriors, the Heatles and Lebron
and Luca. What a all three have in common in basketball?
Smart guys figure it out. A lot of stars, can't.
They lack self awareness, right, the egos, the lack of
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self awareness. I mean, the OKC Westbrook mellow thing. It
just didn't work. Katie, Steph Clay worked, the Heatles worked,
Lebron and Luke Austin Reeves it's gonna work. I mean,
last night before the game, Lebron's like, don't worry about
fitting in, We'll work around you.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Just go score.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And I think that's chemistry is an issue when you
have selfish guys and insecure guys and guys with no
self awareness. You know, Harden and Kyrie playing with Katie
and Brooklyn. Katie was great. The other two guys were
a pained. They hurt chemistry. So Lebron and Luca are engaged.
They're smart, they have huge brands, so they're very, very
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secure in who they are. Both excellent passers. The only
weird part for me is how the hell is Lebron
still this good? What's in that whiney's drinking? I swear
he looks like he's in year twelve or thirteen. Lebron's amazing,
But if you go back to the Heatles in Miami,
they didn't have any side Joel Anthony, remember him, Joel
Anthony was a sixty nine and a half center. They
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had no true point guard. But it was one of
the smartest teams I've ever seen. Shane Battier, Ray Allen,
Lebron haslam. I mean, it's just everybody Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade,
they just made it work. Draymond, Steph Clay, you know
k D. Smart guys just make it work. So now
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Lucas rusty Okay, never played with these guys, I don't
care about practice, never played game speed with these guys.
Hasn't played in a long time. And the Lakers do
have an issue, and it's a real issue. They have
no rim protection. Jackson Hayes is a fun guy on
alley oops, and you saw a lot of alley oops
last night, but they don't have any rim protection. So
when the Mark Williams deal from Carolina did not go through,
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the Charlotte deal, that's kind of a bummer. Now, like
Robert Williams, who the Celtics had for years, didn't He
wasn't available very much, but when he was available, he
changed the temperature in the room. So they're gonna have
to address that on the market if they can find somebody.
But I'll say this about the Lakers last night when
I watched them, especially in the first half, because they
put the game away in the first half, it felt young,
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it felt fun, it felt fresh. I looked it up
this morning. Ten more threes. They took ten more threes
than average. There were more alley oops, you know what,
three pointers everywhere again Austin, Reeves, Lebron and Luca. Yes
they all need the ball, but you know what, smart
guys figured out. And Staples was roaring all the Luca jerseys.
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I think this thing is gonna be excellent, and I'll
get to it a second why I think they can
win the West. But here was Luca and JJ Reddick
after It was.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
A little nervous before.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
I remember when was the last time I was nervous
before the game. So, but once a step on the cory,
it was fun and just being on there again felt amazing.
It's new team, knew everything, but like the way they
helped me. Teammates Rob Jenny, Jenny, just a lot of
support for me. You can see why I'm coming to Arena.
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I saw the Luca jerseys. It was just surreal feeling.
Sometimes you can have agendas in a game. I felt
like this for our group was just a no agenda
game beyond winning a basketball game and playing the right
way with our three guys who are going to be
our primary creators. Like they all did it really well
and I think our guys will get accustomed to the
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Luka passes for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Listen, the Lakers felt like they went from analog to digital,
and if you look at the Western Conference standings, why
can't they get there? Memphis is number two. I don't
trust them. They play very fast, great pacing. I'm not
sure if that transfers to the playoffs. Denver is horrific defensively.
Now Jamal Murray's healthy, aget and playing well, They're a
bad defensive team. The Rockets can't shoot super young. I
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think they're a regular season team. I think there'll be
a one and done in the playoffs. Clippers, do you
really trust them? So I look at the West. The
best team I've seen in the NBA by a long
shot is the Celtics. I watch them hammer the Knicks again.
Boston's the best team in the league. OKC is very
good that I won't deny, and I'm not sure if
the Lakers can beat them, although it feels like to
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me they've matched up with him pretty well the last
couple of years with Ad and Lebron. So my takeaway
is I watched last night. It was a lot of threes,
a lot of alley ups, it's only going to get better.
I mean, Luke hasn't played in forever. First game with
the guys. I think if they could figure out I
said that before. If the Mark Williams thing would have
gone through, I would have had no problem saying Lakers
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in the final. I don't know if they can beat Boston,
probably not, but I think they could get there. I
don't know if they can win the West, but I'm
watching all that.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's an offensive sport, right, I mean, defense matters, but
people get frustrated when Jason Tatum doesn't take the game
over offensively, not defensively. So I'm reading this story about
the Super Bowl ratings and one hundred and twenty six
million viewers for the Super Bowl fifty nine. First of all,
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it's more than that, but it's hard to track how
many people actually watch. The Nielsen ratings. They do count
out of home viewers, but you don't really have an
exact count on that. You're kind of guessing. At some point,
I think it probably was closer to one hundred and
thirty six million. And the second thing is this wasn't
Let's be totally honest about this, it wasn't a good game.
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The peak of the rating was in the second quarter.
What if it had been an overtime game, could you
get to one hundred and thirty to thirty five million.
But there's a lot of reasons why I think the
NFL keeps extending their season and adding games because there's
an insatiable appetite for it. We never get tired of it.
And the other thing is there's a reason they keep
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playing games now in Australia and they're going to go
to Brazil again, and they're going to go they won
the US market. If you dominate America, spread your wings.
So when people complain about games overseas, why not they
own the country. And I think there's a lot of
reasons why the NFL is king. It's a once a
week sport. But that's always been true. But we didn't
have the iPhone and TikTok in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties.
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We are a very very distracted nation. It is harder
to get people's attention Monday through Friday, and the NFL
is a once a week game. The second thing is
it's a really good television product. Not just because I
work at Fox, NBCCBS, ABC are great too, but the
production of the television product is outstanding. The other thing,
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it's relatable football players. There is no load management. They
plan the snow, they plan the wind, they plan the rain.
Like the rest of us. They just go to work
when they're not one hundred percent. It's totally relatable. The
other thing is they make big changes regularly. They bailed
on Oakland, they upgraded to Vegas. They bailed on San Diego.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I know it hurts.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
They upgraded in LA. They bailed on Saint Louis. They
they'd bail on Jacksonville tomorrow if they could. They're not
going to be burdened by tradition. They're not going to
worry about what the hardcore traditionalist and the romantic thinks.
They're going to take swings in the ball. And I
think that constantly pivot on rule changes. Baseball struggles with that.
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Basketball makes changes sometimes though they feel a little bit
like they're out of desperation. Last week they're talking about
shorter quarters. Who's ever worried about how long a quarter is?
We worry that you got too many games or load management,
and so I think there's a lot of reason for
the changes. I just think more than anything. It's a
very well run league by adults. Agents run baseball, players
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run the NBA. Economically, it is two times the size
of the NBA, yet feels like it's nimble like a sailboat.
It can turn quickly during a Super Bowl. Rule changes
always willing to change, and somebody told me this years
ago that anytime there's a change, basketball thinks of it first.
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Baseball makes the most money out of it, and football
gets it right. And I think the NFL, more than
any league, just consistently gets it right when changes are needed.
They don't pander. Agents and the players don't run the league.
They're like every good company I've ever worked for. And
none of the companies I've ever worked for that are
very well run are run by the employees. They value
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the employees, they pay the employees, they treat the employees well.
It's not run by the employees. I should not be
running Fox. I should not be running it. I'm treated well,
I shouldn't be running it. And so there you go.
The number is huge. I think it's probably bigger than that.
And it was not a very competitive game. We got
a lot of things. Nick Wright joins us in fifty minutes.
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It's been a very rough forty eight hours for Nick.
You know, he was due for a bad weekend, j Mac,
he was due.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Can I give you a peek behind the curtain. One
of our smart producers hit me up this morning, was like, hey,
can you bring in a violin to play during the
Nick Wright segment? And I tried to find a violin
this morning, No dice, but I yeah, we feel bad
for him. You know, it's just yes, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Tireless, barely slept last night.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I tried to tell them.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
They weren't a good team all season record, be damn
you you were right, and they looked awful.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Then if you go back to that Houston game, I
was choppy.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
We're a very friendly whistle, there shall we say.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I'll ask, though, Colin, like, where was the leadership on
the sideline when they were getting their butts kicked twenty
four to nothing. You know, there's a lot of video
out there of Tom Brady in that Atlanta Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, fired up the truth, let's go, come.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
On, guy, we're not done and I saw none of that.
You know, the chief just looks shell shocked, like, wait,
we're not winning. We're not winning we're not coming close
to winning. It was kind of embarrassing. Where's the leadership,
Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, I didn't see it, did you.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Well.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't look to my coaches for that. They got
a headset on or they're trying to maneuver. I think
I think players have to inspire players. I think generationally
it means more coming from another player. If a great
player's on the sideline at twenty eight years old, marketing
at a twenty five year old, I think that has
incredible impact. I don't think coach marketed a player. Coaches
market players. It's called practice, and so when you get
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into a game. I do think it's up to players
to help motivate players. There's a lot of tape of
Troy Aikman. He's on his players, Peyton Manning on his players,
and I think there's value. I mean, I've seen Lamar
Jackson on the sideline talking to his own line, getting
guys fired up.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That stuff matters.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Something for Mahomes to work on in the offseason.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, a couple of things. Gotta get a left tackle baby.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
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Speaker 1 (12:31):
So in New Orleans, there was a lot of talk
about Deebo Samuel potentially getting traded very good chess piece
right from the San Francisco forty nine ers to maybe
another team they'd probably like to get him over to
the AFC, And Deebo Samuel was asked and he didn't
mind kind of tweaking the forty nine ers. There's an
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AFC team that he likes talking about.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Oh, Nigs is playing really really good ball right now.
Defenses is outrageous. Yeah, Pisu out there, who's I would
say the best at the position right now, probably been
for the past two years. The other on the other side,
I just think you need a couple more pieces than
it'd be what it needed to be and just have
to get past Pat Mahomes every year.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I do think he has value. He seems like a
nice kid, but he can be noisy often. And this
is just a reminder to all the general managers in
the NFL. Every top running back that went to a team,
Dereck Henry to Baltimore, Josh Jacobs to Green Bay, Saquon
Barkley to Philly, Joe Mixon to Houston, Aaron Jones to Minnesota,
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JK Dobbins to the Chargers. Those teams all made the playoffs.
They were productive and valuable and mostly quiet, good team guys.
They changed the physicality of the team, the temperature of
the offense. They were also very valuable for either older
quarterbacks are new ones. All those running backs changed the
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teams now looks. Look at the wide receivers who moved around.
Davante Adams to the Jets, didn't move the needle. Calvin Ridley, Yeah,
he went to Tennessee. How'd that work out? Stefan Diggs
to Houston? De Hopped to the Chiefs? Did he play
in the Super Bowl? Amari Cooper to Buffalo, Gabe Davis
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to the Jaguars? Did any of those guys have real
impact in a really big game. Wide receivers, I'll say
it again, are too often the convertible sports car of
the NFL. Fun and flashy, but when it gets cold
and windy December on, not that useful. They don't make
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your team tougher. They tend to be at times, and
I don't know exactly why Needy pay attention to me.
Throw the ball at me. Buffalo got better when Stefon
Diggs left. And I like Stefan Diggs, I like him,
I like Davonte Adam. He didn't have any impact. Six
of the highest paid nine receivers, six of nine missed
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the playoffs. The Niners don't need Debo. You know what
brought Perty needs Christian McCaffrey back. I mean, look at
Joe Burrow. How good Joe Burrow is. Look at how
great of a year he had. He has Jamar Chase
and T Higgins, the best receiving combo outside of Philadelphia
or maybe better in the league. They didn't make the playoffs. Okay,
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this whole idea a couple of years ago of running backs,
and this is a great running back draft if you
need a running back in the NFL, like the Chargers do,
if you need a running back or a defensive tackle,
this is an unbelievable draft.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Not great for quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It may not be great for centers or linebackers, dts
and running backs.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Niners could use one, Chargers could use one, The Raiders
could Chew used one, the Patriots could use one. Tennessee
could probably use one. But It's nothing against Debo, but
the centerpiece of this team is Shanahan and Christian McCaffrey.
It's not Brandon, I Yuk, it's not Deebo, Samuel and
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I and I like both those guys.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
No, no, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Well, Colin, let's get started with Luca's debut last night
against the MAVs. And sorry, Luca's debut last night for
the Lakers one spectacular. The MAVs were also playing at
the same time in Colin. It went extremely poorly. A
fan shouted fire Nico and later held up a sign
with the same phrase.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Him and his buddy were escorted out of the arena.
It was ugly in Dallas. I don't know if you
see these videos.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Oh no, I have.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
The Dallas team spokesperson said, the fans broke the NBA's
code of conduct. Saw that for a sign that said
fire Nico, and then Jason Kidd, knowing he was reading
the room, he said, you know what, I'm gonna skip
the postgame best ofference, but the Map did lose in overtime.
Demarg Rosen at a big time clud shot Klay Thompson
did not duck the media. Here's what he said about
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the Shenanigans.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
It's not our job to get deflated because people are upset.
Our job is to try and convince them that there's
really great days ahead, not just for this year, but
for the next few years. I really believe that we
can do something incredibly special. People are gonna say stuff,
and that's understandable. I was a fan, I'm still a fan.
If I agree with the trade, I'll probably voice my
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opinion too. That's the beauty of sports. And now you
go there to yell, and he ran bunctious. Sometimes things are.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Not trending well for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Now in fairness, in fairness for this year, I could
argue they are much better constructed soup to nuts than
the Lakers. Well if healthy, no, no, no, right, But let's
be to Anthony Davis, I mean lost in all of this,
all this emotion by Dallas. Anthony Davis a top six
to seven player. Kyrie's an unbelieable score, they have excellent size,
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they have an excellent coach.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well, Colin, here's the problem. Nobody's healthy. AD's probably gonna
miss ten to twelve games. That's what they wanted to either.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
PJ. Washington did not play last night. Okay, it was
the Kyrie Irving show.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
He's logging heavy minutes on that old body that has
been prone to break down.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Daniel Gafford got injured last night. He played ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Lively's out probably the rest of the regular season. Stuff
starting to add up. Then you add in this fan
stuff that's going on.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm on record.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I wrote this for Fox Sports before the Luca trade.
I think the Mats are going.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
To miss the playoffs. And I'm an Anthony Davis guy.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I like him. I think Top seven is a little rich.
But Colin, if they missed the playoffs, do you have
to fire this guy?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Nico Harrison, you know he did make the Kyrie deal
he got criticized for it's been a great deal. Well,
he did make the trade deadline deal last year. That
was a great deal.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
But that was all around Luca. Hey, Luca, you got
a number too, and Kyrie Irving. Great, Kyrie, you don't.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Have to be a leader because Lucas they got.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
In all gms in the NBA outside of like RC
Buford and pat Riley, they all get fired so pretty much. Yeah,
I mean, I will go back to something a source
told me about Nico and he's known this this My
source is non Niko for twenty two years.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I think.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I think ownership was staring down the barrel of paying
a player seventy four million a year, seventy four millions,
like double what Mahomes is making, close to it.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But the CAP's going up.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Come on, Yeah, yeah, you know what, Foxes making more money.
They're still looking at numbers at the company and thinking
does that valuation work for somebody that's out of shape,
doesn't play defense and not available.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Luca was not playing like injured.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
He is injured. It happens, you know, it doesn't happen
to Lebron.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Defending happened to Lebron.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Hey, do you remember when the MAVs had a press
conference way back celebrating Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
And Luka Doncicic. Remember that?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, they lost both of those guys. Those are top
ten players in the league.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Colin, this is bad derk Davitski, mister MAVs was out
here at the Laker game last night. I know he was.
I'm just telling.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Maybe you know, Mark Cuban sold a majority of his state.
Maybe he knew something, Maybe he knew this was coming.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Well, you know, the other story is one of the
Bucks owners unloaded a bunch of his stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And people are thinking, oh, wait a minute, what's going
on in the.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Honest I think he's Gianni's gonna be in play this offseason.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I think Giannis absolutely, And I.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Think with the Milwaukee's not going to beat Boston, Like,
let's get past that.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Are they getting out of the first round? I mean,
are they good?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I think Dame's playing much better. I think Dames had
a really good year.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
This Luca thing's eye opening around the league, like if
Lucas created.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
But let me let me just I'm not defending the
Mavericks now.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I'm saying it was one thing when the max contract
was planning playing Lebron thirty five million, So congratulations to
the players and getting all this money. But when you're
asking me to pay you double of mahomes and you're
not in great shape back to back camps, you weren't there,
you're not playing, you don't necessarily care about half the game,
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the defense. It's a whole different ballgame.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's one thing if I'm paying if I'm a billionaire
and I have to pay because remember Luca qualified not
only for the max contract, but because of his MBPS,
he was gonna make seventy five million. I'm watching Kawhi,
I'm watching Embiid. I'm watching my hurt guy who's not
in great shape. It's really easy for everybody that's not
writing the checks to just say, that's seventy four million,
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he's great. You start the NBA players, the superstars thought
they won.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Look at what we can get with the map the max.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
But when the max is seventy five million, I'm gonna
count everything. Your defense, how you treat teammates, Are you
in good shape? Are you available? I think these owners
are looking around at Kawhi and Embiid and are like, no,
I'll go buy three other players.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Since you referenced Mahomes, we've talked about his dad bought
on the show.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
That guy. It's not like that guy's an under our model.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Okay, so let's not bag on Luca Dodgeons being like
out of shape.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Sure he showed up, maybe a little chubby, was to fifty.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Five seventy five million. I'd like you to be in shape.
I'd like you to show up for camp. I know
it's asking a lot. They'd like me to be here
at least four days a week.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
How about yo, kid?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Do you see any abs on that guy or you
see some man boobs? What's going on there? Come on, listen,
some of these guys are not in super shape like Lebron.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
All right, let's get to the NFL. Ian Rapaport of the.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
NFL Network reports the Saints have hired Eagles offensive coordinator
Kellen Moore. They're finalizing a deal. He's I didn't realize
Kellen Moore's only thirty five. Unbelievable. He's starting a new
job for the fourth season in a row, but it's
his first time being a head coach.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Interestingly, Colin Brandon.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Staley is a hot name to be his defensive coordinator,
reuniting the coordinators from the Chargers a couple of years
ago when it didn't quite work.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
He'll be fine. Oh really, they don't have any cap room.
They got a lot of issues. I think that's gonna
be for the next couple of years of dead franchise.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Well, they still winning.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Record before he's fired in four years.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Oh, he won't last four three?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, I don't think that's reason it's not gonna go well.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
I just they don't have cap space. They don't have
a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean, does Derek Carr feel like he's just he's
a New Orleans guy. It doesn't feel like Breeze it does.
I just don't think they have enough good players. And
I think the NFC, as we watched Philadelphia in the playoffs,
the NFC is getting better really really fast, and it's
like New Orleans feels like they're in cap hell.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
They won't finish last if Carolina continues.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Oh, I think I would. If I picked today, I
would have Saints last, because I think Carolina is on
the way up.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
They're on the lptic.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
This SENTNINS final story is interesting with the Dallas Cowboys.
You know, they spent last offseason dragging out contract extensions
for Dak and Cdee Lamb, and they did come to
terms of four week one, but it was a dist
action all summer. And now you've got Micah Parsons and
all this chatter.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Will he be traded? He's heading into the final year
of his rookie contract. Is he going to break the bank?
Does he get traded?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Will Ceedee Lamb has weighed in Colin saying, aren't you
all tired of this every off season.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Top of the charts. Let's just win ball games. And
that's with eleven shaking my head. Now, he's got a
good point. This is almost a direct.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Shot at Jerry Jones, is it not? This is every
off season in Dallas. Let's string it out or in
the headlines, that's what Jerry wants.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Is this good for the team.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
No, I'm telling you there are so many interesting teams
in this league, and Dallas is not one of them.
I don't even find they're chaos interesting. They're to me,
they're the Saints, Like I just they're not there. Are
they topic worthy? I mean, there's so many teams now.
I mean, Philadelphia is obviously great. Here comes Washington, you know,
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the Packers, Minnesota, Chicago next year is fascinating, Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Flow, Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I mean, there's just so many Chargers with hardball now
all of a sudden, the Raiders with Pete Carroll. If
they get Shador Sanders, I'm like, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And the Giants get a quarterback and get out of
the base.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
That's Stafford story in New York is crazy. To me,
if you're Matt Stafford, I'm going to leave playing Indoors
with Les Sneed as my owner, Sean McVay is my coach,
Puka Naku is my leading receiver, and that defense.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I'm going to go to New York.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Well, if you can get Cooper Cup and Malague neighbors,
they don't give me, they will not be last place
in that division.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You want to play the Eagles twice, Jade Daniels twice.
You're in a division now with Kyler Murray, Rock Perdy,
Geno Smith, Indoors, richest owner, arguably best or second best coach,
and a defense that will carry you for the next
four to five years. I'm leaving that because I don't
get at what I want.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Rams almost beat the Eagles. They had a drive right
there at the end of the game. They played the
Eagles the toughest of anyone.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Oh, there's the postseason, and.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
They had in the last two years, they've lost the
Lions and the Eagles. On a play when they completed
that ball up the sidelines to Kokanakoa, You're sitting there thinking.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Holy they're gonna win this game. Yeah, And I'm leaving
that to go to the Giants.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Sounds like a leverage play I think.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I mean, I like Matt Stafford, but he's not getting younger.
And the Rams finally got their offensive line figured out
and they're drafting an offensive tackle first or second pick
less need Sean McVay, Stan Kronkey playing indoors in a
market where the media leaves you alone. I mean the
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LA media basically leaves Jarrett Goff was invisible when he
was here and he got to a Super Bowl. You
couldn't find him in a phone book. You can hide
in Los Angeles. You quarterback the Giants. You are front
back page of the tabloids. It's not a good roster.
We don't love the GM. The owner's not as rich.
Like I'm not saying that because I live in Los Angeles.
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There are places he could go and I would be like, oh,
I get it, that's not one of them. J Mack
with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
I got so much stuff today. I am. I am.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I know you're I know you're thinking like, oh, that's
an LA take no, no, no no. If I'm just thinking
off the top of my head, if Matt Stafford was like, Okay,
Seattle's interesting. Well, I like Seattle's roster. I mean, DK
metcalf Smith and Jigba good running backs. Like I could
see like that, it's not gonna happen. He's not gonna
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go to you know, they're not gonna move him. He's
not gonna go to Seattle. But like that roster is
interesting to me. And there are there are places, I
mean like Minnesota says, you know what, we don't want
JJ McCarthy, we want Matt Stafford. I get Kevin O'Connell.
I got Justin Jefferson. I play indoors at home. It's like, no,
I get that move too. The Giants, Well, what are
you doing that? That doesn't even seem interesting to me
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at all? Yeah, I want to throw this out there.
So every time but he gets close to Tom Brady
and you start talking about maybe Tom's not the goat,
bad things happen. So Aaron Rodgers back in twenty fourteen,
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got his second MVP. He had a Super Bowl Trophy.
Remember everybody started saying Aaron throws a little better ball
than old Tommy. From twenty fifteen until today, Aaron Rodgers
ran through head coaches five and five in the playoffs.
There was Peyton Manning in twenty thirteen, when you started
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hearing after his fifth MVP. Manning maybe better than Brady,
and though he did have success in Denver, he aged
very fast by thirty eight years old, and he did
win a super Bowl in a year where he threw
nine touchdowns and seventeen picks and had a seventy five
passer rating in a Super Bowl rung. Tom when he
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retired at forty five, was still a top five quarterback.
And Mahomes this season, you started really hearing about it
early in September and October. If he wins a third,
I think we have a new goat. Mahomes finished the
regular season as the sixteenth highest passer rating and just
turned in the ugliest Super Bowl performance arguably of our lives.
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So just to give you a sense on the gap
between Brady and everybody else, if you just think about this,
if you cut Tom Brady's career in half and just
take the final twelve years, just the final twelve years,
so it's the end in New England and Tampa. He
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has four super Bowls, an MVP and fifty four thousand
passing yards, which is more than John Elway. He has
twenty playoff wins just in the second half of his career,
which is the most playoff wins by any quarterback of
all time. I'm not counting the early dynasty. Just think
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about that. And Old Brady, by the way, did face
Patrick Mahomes, blew him out in the Super Bowl and
beat him in overtime at Arrowhead in the AFC Championship
in a game of inches. Brady is several hundred yards
from number two, from Joe Montana, from Lway, from Peyton Manning,
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and from Patrick Mahomes. But Colin, if he would have
won Sunday, it's not just that he lost. It's just
for the second time in the Super Bowl he was awful,
didn't adjust, overwhelmed, looked shook, and not just losing it
whatever that was. That leaves a mark like right, like
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you can lose. I mean Tom Brady lost to Philadelphia
Philly Special. He never punted. He lost because the head
coach benched Malcolm Butler, which really really disrupted the locker
room vibe. The defense just did not come to play.
For the only time in Belichick Super Bowl history, didn't
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show up. Players bothered by it. That was the biggest
loss in Tom brady Super Bowl career was a Philadelphia
game where he didn't punt. So it's like, whether it's
Aaron Peyton or Mahomes the miny. You start getting into that,
you know, it's a coin flip. It could go either way, Nah.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
It couldn't.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
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Welcome back.
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The So last night Lebron and Luca in Los Angeles,
and first half was great and Utah is not very good.
Now Lebron and Luca go to Salt Lake City. I
think is it tomorrow night they play them. So it's
one of those you see that a lot feels like
on the West Coast. You get those back to back game.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I think Utah's got a bunch of draft picks. They're
like a younger version of Oklahoma City. Like they haven't
landed their stars, but they've got Kessler, the big guy
that got Lori marketing, and they got They've got some dudes.
They're just not there yet. Very young team. But I
was thinking about Lebron and Luca last night and listen.
I've always said I think Austin Reeves is a number
four in a championship team, maybe a three.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
He's playing a really good basketball.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
But I was thinking about the best tandems in basketball
right now, and it's not just scoring. I think there's
a lot of components that go into it. I think
the Lakers are not very good around the basket. Defensively,
Jackson Hayes is more of an offensive guy, an ali
up guy, kind of finn not a defensive guy. But
I was thinking to myself, what are the best ten
tandems because I'm watching Lebron and Luca last night. They
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looked great and Lucas not close. I mean he didn't
shoot the ball particularly well. He didn't have his legs
under him. It's the first game of the new guy.
I mean, he could drop thirty against Utah in Salt
Lake City and you wouldn't be surprised. So these are
my top ten current duos.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
In the NBA.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I actually think Steph Curry Jimmy Butler work because one's
the ball handler shooter, and one's the defender and the
aggressive guy that Cam score. They're two and zero since
they put him together, and I think Steph just needed
a really good number two when Jimmy's a number one.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I don't think you're a championship team.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
If Jimmy's a two and you've got a good three
in Draymond Green that I think he would win a
playoff series or two. Steph, Steve Kerr run the show. Draymond,
Jimmy Butler, aggressive defense.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I'd put him at ten. I would put Sga and
Jalen Williams at number nine. Now SGA's a bucket. He's
just impossible to stop. Jalen Williams is only I looked
it up this morning, twenty three years old.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Lord.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Now a lot of people think it's Sga and Chet Holmgren,
but home Grin to me is just not healthy enough
to consider him an elite duo. At number eight, Jannis
and Dame Giannis is banged up a little bit. Dame's
playing very very well. Like last year, they were struggling
to figure out the chemistry and Dame was coming off injuries.
I think he's playing really good right now. And I
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also think they do fit because Jannis covers up some
of Dame's weaknesses defensively when they had to move Drew
Holiday to bring in Dame. He got better on offense,
worse on defense. I still think I think Kyle Kuzma
was a nice get for them because I thought Chris
Middleton had peaked and was going down. I think Kuzma helps.
I don't know how much it helps, but it helps.
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I think number seven. I think these guys are underrated.
Kyrie and Ad. Now Ad is banged up a d.
Don't listen to j Mack. This guy has been a
top six or seven player in the NBA the last
two years. He got hurt. He hadn't been hurt much.
He's a tremendous player, and again not a lot of ego.
Great defensive player can give you twenty five a night.
And you know Kyrie can be some maintenance. But he
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got along well with Luca and he is a tremendous score.
So I would put them at seven. I think Wemby
and Darren Fox is really good. They're probably a year away.
I don't think people real how good of a score
year in Fox is. He's twenty five to night. And
they got Chris Paul on this team. He got the
Yukon guard who's just getting better with time. San Antonio
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is a year away from potentially winning the West. I
think this is a great move for them. I really
like their scouting and drafting. I just think they're too young.
But I'd put Wemby and the Aaron Fox at the
six best NBA duo. I would put Jalen Brunson in Cat.
They really feed off each other. By the way, Jalen
Brunson assists almost eight a game career high. Why Cat
and Kat, by the way, is shooting forty three percent
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from three? Why because a lot of it he's getting
open looks because Jalen Brunson draws so much attention.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
I don't think this is a championship team.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I've watched them play the Celtics twice and just get
bull dozed.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
But I like this duo.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Karl Anthony Towns can drive you crazy, but there is
no doubt he is a very, very gifted offensive player.
Number four a Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley. They're young,
but at least Mobley is. They're They're both average and
twenty a game plus and five assists. They have the
number one offense in the NBA. I know we stopped
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watching him when Lebron left. They're fun to watch, young, aggressive.
You know, Mobley's a guy that came out of USC
and he was a fast riser in the draft.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
He just keeps getting better. So I'd put them at
number four.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I'll do Jokic and Murray at number three now Murray
is healthy again.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Jokic is absolutely great.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
He's averaging a thirty point triple double this season almost
so I think Jokic remains the best player in the
league right now, unstoppable player. They don't play a lick
of defense, so I don't think they're a championship team.
Murray is on pace to average twenty one and a
half points in seven and a half rebounds assists during
this five or six game streak when he got healthy again.
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I always like Jamal Murray, not as much as Jay Mack,
who has beating that drum for years. They're a bad
defensive team, but I would put them at number three.
I would put number two Tatum and Brown. They're not
the highest scoring duo, but they're versatility, smart guys both ends.
They're just excellent and by the way, they've been playing
together so long now they take turns closing out corners
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in games they're excellent, and they're different personalities. I think
Jalen Brown's more aggressive, but they're both in their prime,
they're both signed long term, they're both coachable, they don't
need to score to affect games. I'd put them at two,
and I think Lebron and Luca are number one. Luca's
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not close to where he's gonna be after give this
thing ten games, Luca's going to be back to thirty
two a night. I can't even figure Lebron out. I
can't figure out how he's this good. It makes no sense.
Lebron is playing like it's year thirteen. So I think
they're the number one now. Now they're a more lethal
scoring duo than Brown and Tatum, but Brown and Tatum
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are both in their prime. So Jmac, first of all
your reactions. I'm sure you are overjoyed with this over
the year.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
So makes your Wes when he posts this on social media,
mentions No, Kevin Durant and Devin.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Booker, I can't, well really because I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I mean, I had one Binyama and Fox on mine,
but like Combine, they have zero playoff series wins.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Well, their kids there, they're first of all there's an
argument san Antonio in the second half of the regular
season now will be a significantly better than the first.
I mean, Dearon Fox, you're just throwing a bunch of
kids together. I told this during the morning meeting this morning.
The one team in the NBA to watch out for
is the San Antonio Spurs. They're gonna get into the
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playoffs and they're gonna knock somebody off because that team
they just threw Dearon Fox into this thing, and they
got that kid from yukon that castle.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
He's awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
He is awesome. San Antonio is the team that is.
We saw this with Dallas last year. A team starts rising,
they make moves at the trade deadline and you look
up and you're like, nobody wanted to play Dallas. San
Antonio is not quite that good, but the s are
dangerous the next three months.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Booker and kd is one omission. You could make a
case uh DeMar Derozen and Sibonas.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
And no, I'm just kidding. What are the Kings fans
on staff put me up to that?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
But the legit one that I got asked about, and
I know you're not a fan, is Ja Morant and
Jaron Jackson in Memphis. They are playing out of their minds.
John Morant's got his act together. Jackson's having the best
season of his career.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
He might be all NBA.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
They had even Damn he just nipped that right now.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Spurs just added Daron Fox and there are only three
wins behind the Suns.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, they're twelfth in the West coming.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
And that's not a knock on Booker and Kevin Durant.
But when I say that, do you think dynamic? I
think there are things Booker does very well score. There
are things also interesting.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I see one, two, three, four of these.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Duos just got together last week.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
That's pretty wild.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Huh a great.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
It was a monster week for the NBA.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
People were, oh, it's the best week of the NBA
in years.
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