December 6, 2024 • 39 mins
Thoughts on the Lions thrilling win over the Packers and Dan Campbell's decision to go for it on 4th down
Colin gives his reasons why Bill Belichick wouldn't fit as a college football head coach
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, it is a Friday. What a game last night,
Lions and Packers. This is the Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. Blazing five. I think this
is actually one of the better weeks for numbers. Blazing
five one hour from now. Jmac, what'd you make it
last night?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Lucky?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Dan Campbell?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Things broke his way prey fortunate on foot down almost
every freaking time.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, I think the lesson last night. I don't care
if you're a football code CEO or a parent, operating
in absolutes usually does not end well. Just think about that,
operating in absolutes. Dan Campbell now coaches like we always
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go for it on fourth down. And this morning, Lion fans, oh,
they feel great and it is great when you're three
thirteen and one. But do you know the team since
Dan Campbell arrived in the NFL that don't go for
it on fourth down? Do you know who they are?
The Chiefs, the Bills, and the Niners. They protect leads.
You're no longer the hunter, You're the hunted. You're now IBM.
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You're not a startup company. Dan Campbell can no longer
be a pro wrestler living up to the gimmick. They
lead the NFL in fourth down attempts and fourth down conversions,
and you feel great this morning, But that's not who
you are anymore. It's like when you're young, put your
money in bitcoin, when you're old, put it in bonds.
It's a different life the runway. Now your players are
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now in their prime. They're gonna get very, very expensive.
You're gonna have to move off them. You're playing consistently
with leads. In my lifetime, I don't ever remember a
team winning the Super Bowl that had the all season
label of man, they are risky. New England wasn't. Kansas
City isn't. Buffalo isn't. That's not what wins championships last
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year against Dallas by the way two point conversions week seventeen.
Remember we kept going for those. It cost you the
game and it cost you the playoff tiebreaker. So this
eventually won't win Kansas City, Buffalo, and San Francisco. Since
Dan Campbell came in the league, the three winningest teams
don't go for it. They're protecting leads, protecting assets, Like
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right now, Detroit should be buying insurance for this mansion
they've built, for all these beautiful assets they have. But
they're just used to losing. The Tigers lose, the Pistons lose,
the Lions lose. It's Loserville and they've never been in
this spot. But you are no longer the looking up
hill at everybody else. You're looking down at everybody. You're
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leading these games. You need to ensure wins. Reckless is
not going to I mean, like that play when there's
forty three seconds left and you go for it, kick
the field goal. Even analytics said kick the field goal.
Good God, just take the lead. Green Bays got forty
three seconds and no timeouts left, and they just stopped
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h third and one. They couldn't do it on fourth
and one. This thing, Jared Goff fell out. It was
almost a disaster. Just take the lead again. When companies grow,
when you're a startup company, you can take swings at
stuff because you have nothing to lose. Detroit now has
stuff to lose. Super Bowls, not games, home field advantage.
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Here comes Philadelphia super Bowls. Minnesota is on your heels.
You have a lot more to lose now. I don't
believe in playing it safe. Playing it safe is Michigan
against Penn State second half. Never throwing the ball, not
going for it when you can for forty three seconds
left take the lead. Is not fling it safe. It's
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playing it reasonable. And everybody in life has to pivot again.
Stuff I did at twenties I'm not doing once I
have kids. Stuff I invested in when I was twenty
I'm not doing now. I don't have the runway to
make that kind of money. Detroit's different now. They're looking down,
they're not looking up. You gotta pivot. And they're a
very good team, but they're so beat up defensively. Now
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the margins are getting tight. The margins are getting very
small in these games. They don't look like that in October,
and that means situational football will be king. That's why
Andy Reid is winning Super Bowls. It's why Sean Payton
has turned around the Broncos in year two with a
rookie quarterback. He's winning those situational moments. And sometimes the
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winning isn't going forward. It's field position, it's punting, it's
not beating yourself. This morning, everybody feels good, but I
just to me, forty three seconds left, going for it,
golf almost falls. What if there's a fumble and then
I mean seriously, when he fell, I'm thinking, oh my god,
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this reminds me of Joe Pisarcik the Giants and the
Eagles thirty years ago in the NFL. You guys don't
remember that if you're in your twenties and thirties. That
was almost a disaster of epic proportions. The other it's like,
oh my god, here's Dan Campbell.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
After I just felt like we needed to end it
on offense, you know, and I did not want to
give that ball back, and I believe we could get that.
I believe we can convert. It's a hell of a
call by Ben, you know it. Just I knew how
I wanted to play this game, the team knew it,
and and everything in me told me that let's let's
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finish this, and.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So we did. I loved Dan Campbell's Ethan and the
way he built this startup. But they're not a startup,
you know. They're not first year after Blockbuster Netflix. They're
like the king of streaming, Like this is the best
roster probably in football. They're setting records. I mean, last
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night it is a prime example of what playoff football
looks like. Detroit couldn't run the ball. They couldn't run
the ball. They got into a tight game at home.
That's a playoff game. And again, I just think this
city has had so many losing teams that they don't
realize now they're no longer the hunter. They are the hunted.
And when they go to the playoffs, the pressure now mounts.
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You'll be a number one seed. It mounts. Teams are tight,
your defense isn't as good. You're beat up. No reason
to be reckless, no reason to be There's a big
difference between taking smart, reasonable risk and reckless. But this morning,
everybody feels great. Let's talk Green Bay. So I've said
this a few times. The Packers are the Lions last year,
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they're one year away. They're really really close. Green Bay
is excellent, head coach, excellent quarterback, excellent, skill people, excellent.
Jordan Love is he just needs more seasoning. When he
came out of Utah State, he was a project. Well
he's not a project anymore, but he's not quite there.
You saw in the first half he only had three
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completions the last two years he started off and he
has to literally go into the Matt Lafleur school of quarterbacking.
So he's only started thirty games. And to give you
some idea of how few that is, Mac Jones has
forty five starts. Okay, he's got like fifty percent more starts.
So I mean, Jayden Reid almost got no looks last night.
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So Jordan Love is really really good. So is the coach,
So is the running back. So are the skilled people
really good? But I feel like there's there's steps in everything.
You really see it. In the NBA. Giannis was good,
that he was great, that he was dominant, there's a title,
then he gets older, then he gets aging, then he
gets hurt. Like there's steps to all this stuff. San
Francisco is a great example. Last five years, they felt
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like Detroit that's the best roster probably in the NFL,
and then all of a sudden it gets expensive and brittled,
and all of a sudden it falls. So right now
green Bay is a stock and it is just going up, up, up,
and I think gets one year away. Maybe not. Maybe
they shocked the world, but green Bay is nine and four.
So they've lost to the Lions twice, the Eagles, and
the Vikings. They're nine to zero against everybody else. So
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they're losing to the right teams. And last night I thought,
I'll be honest with you, when they got the interception,
so they start the second half of the ball, they're
gonna touch down, they get an interception and getting nerd touchdown,
I thought it was green Bay's night. And we'll talk
more about that. But they're close, They're really really close.
There's there's not much about green Bay I don't like.
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And here's their coach.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
After old their team.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
We're going to have to earn the right to potentially
come back here, and it's not going to be easy,
and we got to put in the work. But I'm
confident in the resiliency of our group and that they're
going to continue to fight and push each other to
get better and stay connected. Because I do think we
have a pretty good football team.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I'm watching those two teams last night with my wife Anne,
and she's from Detroit, and I'm like, what you're watching
are two really really good football teams, top five teams.
Those are two top five teams in the league. And
Detroit maybe number one and green Baby number five whatever,
those are two top five teams. And I kept thinking,
poor Chicago, Poor Chicago Bears. I mean, you better get
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the right coach because green Bay is not. They don't
have players in their prime yet. Jordan Love's not in
his prime yet, all those receivers, tight ends, they're not
in their prime yet. Detroit's players are just pinay Sewel
are just entering their prime. So Detroit's a year ahead
head in my opinion of what Green Bay is. But
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I kept thinking, boy, Chicago, you could have had a hardball.
You whiffed on that. You better get a rock star
at coach because green Bay for the next five years
is Super Bowl category starting to meet next year and
Detroit's there. Now. That was a really good product last night,
j Mac. People complained about officiating, get to that later,
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but that was really good coaching. Quarterback play intensity, there
was drama, there's great skill. I thought green Bay's defense,
you know, like really slowing down the Detroit running train
with something not many people have done that.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Who do you come out looking better in this game?
Like going forward this season? I know you mentioned next time.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I think Detroit's I think to win a Super Bowl
you generally have to have six or seven really elite
players in their prime. And I think green Bay maybe
has want JayR Alexanderish maybe one and then they have
about five guys. It's like Jordan Love next year by Thanksgiving,
he's in the prime. I don't think they're I think
all these gall their skilled players feel like Thanksgiving next year,
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they're all moving into They played twenty games, twenty five games,
they're moving into their prime.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I just look at that Packers thirty one points. Jayden
Reid did nothing. He had one target, zero catches. Jayden
Reid is super dynamic. They scored I believe four straight
times when they had the ball in the second half.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I come away from this like you don't want to
see the Packers in January. This team look to me
really good. Defense wasn't healthy?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I I well, by the way I sign on the
Packers for me, by the way, oh yeah, going forward,
defenses statistically get hurt more than offenses. Both those defenses
last night beat up. Yeah, offense is healthy. Defenses beat up.
So of the many reasons offense has taken over this league.
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The Niners great defense couldn't stop Holmes in the Super Bowl,
right like we see Kansas City's great defense, you know,
struggles and super bowls to stop Filadelphia. What you're finding is,
as the league has become more offensive and quarterback centric,
the other reality, the other truth statistically is defensive players
get hurt more than offensive players. And last night there's
like seven different defensive starters out and the offenses are humming.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
How about the Packers, by the way, defensively taking away
the big, gigantic play from the Lions. Remember Monday Night Football,
there was all these seventy eighty yard plays. None of
that for the Lions. I think their longest play was
twenty eight yards. They're keeping everything in front of them
with the too high and I just come away like
Detroit looked good, but that Green Bay team four or
five in the red zone, they looked awesome to me
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last night on the road, hostile environment, I think Packers
could make the NFC Championship would not surprise me at all.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
No, wouldn't me either. Coming up next, the worst move
maybe of the year in the NFL, and it was
a move a team didn't make. And I heard something
yesterday about Bill Belichick that is a complete head scratcher.
We'll talk about that coming out.
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Speaker 1 (13:06):
Some things just sound like a terrible idea. Report that
Bill Belichick has genuine interest in coaching North Carolina now
that Mac Brown's leaving. That is a terrible idea. Bill
Belichick groveling to eighteen year olds, Yeah, that's not gonna work.
Say it out loud. Belichick with donors, groveling to recruits
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doing TikTok videos to get a linebacker in Texas. This
thing feels like the Grinch saying, you know, I want
to lead the Christmas parade. College football is more charisma
than curmudgeon. And it's also seventeen hours a week max.
Of practice. Do your job is do your job really quickly.
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I mean Nick Saban is the closest comp to Belichick,
and he said get me out of here with the
nil and portal changes like Nick's like I'm doone this,
like Matt Patricia to offensive coordinator. College football coach is
seventy five percent sales and marketing. And that's why I
think Lincoln Riley's struggling at USC. He doesn't love recruiting.
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Chip Kelly didn't love recruiting. Dan Mullen didn't love recruiting.
I think they're all good coaches, So I just this
is some things just don't you think to yourself, well,
if you can coach in college, you could, If you're
a super Bowl winning coach, you could coach in college.
It doesn't work that way. College is like a different world.
He has a twenty four year old girlfriend. She would
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be great in Chapel Hill Bill at seventy two, which,
by the way, isn't that about the time Rodney Dangerfield
went back to college. How that work out? I just don't.
It doesn't work. This is not gonna work. There are
college coaches that I think would work in the NFL.
Jim Harbaugh proven it. I think there are NFL coaches.
I always thought John Gruden would be a great college coach.
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He's got some charisma. He you know, he's a good salesman.
He can sell John I mean, and I always thought,
by the way, Rex Ryan, I thought he has no
interest in it. I told Rex Ryan once, you'd be
a great college coach. Good looking guy, big smile, big energy.
He'd be better than ninety percent of the coaches at college. Anyway,
there are guys out there in the NFL that could
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coach college. I absolutely believe it. And you know there's
college guys that can work in the pros, but there's
personality matters. Nick Saban needs control. He wasn't a great
fit in the NFL. You know, Pete Carroll could coach both.
Jimmy Johnson could coach both. But it's not for everybody.
This just sounds awful. Now maybe again we've been talking
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about this Belichick and he's doing a good job at
this is creating headlines about coaching wile he broadcasts. But
nobody thinks Bill loves broadcasting. He loves coaching. Sean Payton
really really liked broadcasting and he got back to coaching.
Bill doesn't love it. He never loved the media. He's
doing a good job, but a lot of what he's
saying now feels like it's engineering interest for jobs, which
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I'm okay with. Use this all you have to, but
that's what this doesn't sound good to me at all.
Jmckle the news, No, no, turn on the news. This
is the herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Good Rodney dangerfield reference. Let's get started with Saquon Barkley,
who has been the biggest offseason edition by any team
this summer Eagles for flying high and reaping the benefits.
Saquan has been getting a lot of MVP love, but
he thinks there's one person on his own team who
deserves to be in the conversation as well.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
I was talking about the other day of my family,
I don't really know how to explain it, but like
he has it, like the if fact they're like to
win like one football games, like he has that, and
then like they're like, well, how do you explain it?
I don't really know, how do you explain that? Like
you just know you see it, Like I don't think
there's a lot of people who's gonna have a fumble
snap in a one yard lot and still find a
way to score a touchdown like he has. That to him.
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You know his hook career here.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, I think that it is hard to explain, but
there is a certain it quality to certain quarterbacks where
they're not the biggest. He's not the best guy from
the pocket, he's not the biggest. He runs often better
than he throws, but there isn't it quality people certain
people just have. I mean when you look at Joe Burrow,
he doesn't have the biggest arm. He didn't have he
didn't have the biggest size. He's not the most mobile,
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but there is something about Joe Burrow on third down, accuracy, repetition, unafraid,
like there you would get when Josh Allen throws the
ball with his size, or mahomes is doing arm angles
or Stafford you're like oh yeah yeah, or Aaron Rodgers,
but there is and you get Brady and Manning the
mastery of the line of scrimmage. But Jalen is not
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considered a plus in most of the things that he
doesn't run like Lamar or Josh Allen, although he's pretty good.
He didn't throw like you know, a Herbert or a Burrow.
But there is a quality to him that he is
when given the right tools, he's a tough out.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, you use the word charisma last segment, and that's
what the right now Riz, you know, the rizzler like
Jalen Hurts, has that ring. He just he looks unrattled,
unbothered at all times, and he has that gravitational pull.
Like anywhere he goes, people like him.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Remember how he like kind of flamed out at Alabama
and tour was waiting behind him. Goes to Oklahoma, what happens, Colin,
You know, they're amazing. He's in the Heiston discussion. Yeah,
like everybody loves him everywhere he goes. He's just got
that equality. Let's go to another guy who doesn't really
have that, and that's Kirk Cousins. He's going home ish
to Minnesota this week for the first time as a Falcon.
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He played many years for the Vikings, but Cousins man,
we talked about this streak zero touchdowns, six picks in
his last three games. You don't want to say look
washed against the Chargers with some of those throws.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Well, head coach Rahie Morris was asked about making a
quarterback change. He said, Kirk is built for this and
he's ready to go. So when handicapping this game, and
you want to break it down. You know, Kevin O'Connell
saw Kirk Cousins all of last year, was with it.
Brian Flores saw him last year, was with him the
whole time. They decided let's move on for me. Yes,
they know his strengths, his weaknesses.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Kevin O'Connell moving off him for Sam Darnold, who was
a reclamation project. That there there's your answer. And I
thought he was a great fit in Atlanta. I thought
it would work for about a year and a half.
It looks like it's worked for about seventy five percent
of one year. It happened by the way he and
Aaron Rodgers both have struggled in second halves. Have you
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noticed Aaron Rodgers? His second half numbers are bad. So
he comes out and you know he's on script, and
then when you ask Aaron to add lib he runs
out of juice. Remember Tyson by round three or four
lost his legs. If you watch Kirk Cousins second halfs,
he's lost his legs, he loses his fastball, and they're
both Aaron and Kirk are coming off surgeries. They probably
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should have in another two months off. Remember the first
game Kirk Cousins against the Steelers, Oh terror, it was
just he looked. And then second game, third game, fourth game,
but it does feel like he When you come off
that surgery, you can fake it for about ten weeks.
You get into the later part of the season, and
Aaron and Kirk looked tired.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I mean, Kevin O'Connell knows how limited Cousins is with
the playbook, like the replace. He couldn't run in Minnesota
because of Kirk's issues. And I just think Brian Floores
knows this guy, saw him in practice every day. I
don't know why the Vikings aren't a lock here to
win this game in cover now, this hit six yesterday,
this one all the way up to six, came back
a little to the five and a half. Are we
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gonna hear about this game in the Blazing five?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yes we are, okay.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Good to know, Good to know.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It is a favorites weekend, by the way, I like
a lot of favorites.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
All right, Final story, Colin, this is kind of crazy,
but last night during the pregame ceremony of Packers Lions,
some jabbroni who was holding the flag, some Lions fan
starts to jaw jacking with the coach of the Packers.
Look at him, he's talking. He was a boy. He's
out there to hold the flag during the national anthem,
and this dude just starts. I don't know what he
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was saying to Laflour, but Laflour was having none of it. Colin,
I mean, come on, this is embarrassing for Detroit.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You're there to hold a.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Flag, not talk trash to the opposing coach.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Listen, Dan Campbell was getting death threats earlier this year
at his home. I mean, Detroit, we know it's Loserville.
Take a deep breath. This is a rare moment where
people actually care about your sports teams. Act like Gromo.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
You act like you've been there before, even though you haven't.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Embarrassing Jmack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Heard
Line News.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So this story is a real thing. Kevin Warren is
the president of the Chicago Bears. A lot of different
opinions used to run the Big Ten. Some have told
me didn't don't always think he's buttoned up with the details.
But according to a longtime host in Chicago, Dan McNeil
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and a former general manager in the NFL, Mike Lombardi.
Jim Harbaugh wanted the Bear's job in January, but Kevin
Warren quashed it. So Harbaugh wanted the job. So they're listen,
whatever you think about Kevin Warren and the Bears, there's
three major red flags with the Bears, and they're undeniable.
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Passing on Jim Harbaugh, who was the perfect fed. We'll
get to that in a second. Passing on Cliff Kingsbury
for Shane Waldron. Kingsbury had been Caleb Williams oc in college,
and they considered benching Caleb Williams, who, by the way,
has more one hundred plus passer rating games this year
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than Patrick Mahomes. They thought about benching him. So take
out the Jets, and you know, Chicago, there's an argument
is the second most dysfunctional team in this league. All
of the Caleb Williams private hesitations about this team and
franchise have been validated. I broke a story last year
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and I said privately, he's got concerns. He came out
the next day and said no, no, no, no, I don't no, no.
He didn't want to be the bad guy. But privately,
people in his camp were saying, it's the Bears. They
can't get quarterback right, and he was right. And I mean,
if it's true that Kevin Warren passed on Jim Harbaugh,
you got to get over yourself sometimes. Don't make it personal.
It's business. And I mean, just think about how good
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of a fit Jim Harball was. Just think about this
first of all, you know, I'll say this, Men holding
grudges have ruined a lot of businesses. But Jim Harbaugh
has a history with the Bears and a history of
developing quarterbacks, and he's a culture builder. Is there anybody
in the NFL now that the Chargers are fixed that
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needs their culture fixed more than maybe the Jets and
the Bears. Kevin Stefanski's done a good job in Cleveland,
he really has. He didn't have the quarterback right do
a good job. Harbaugh's done a great job. That's what
Harbaugh does, great with quarterbacks, great culture builder. That's exactly
what the Bears needed. And the Bears need a rock
star head coach. Did you watch Green Bay in Detroit
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last night? There were twenty great players in those games,
and all of them either young or in their prime.
And forget Minnesota, which is ten and two in a
rebuilding year at quarterback. So you can't ham An Eggett
in Chicago. You can't worry about if you're Kevin Warren.
I want to hire a coach I can control. That's
not going to be a Harbaugh or a Sean Payton.
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That's or a Belichick or a Mike Rabel. Get out
of the control thing. Guys love controlling stuff. Rock Stars
can't be controlled. Real ones and coaches rock stars. They
can't be controlled. Harball's not going to be controlled. Sean
Payton's not, and he reads not. Belichick wasn't. So it's
I mean, I don't doubt this story for a second.
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And here's the thing. We talk about this all the time,
Jim Harbaugh with a history of the Bears culture changing
and quarterback elevation. This was an easy one. This is
a layup. What do I always say about young quarterbacks
in the league. If you can't get the layups right,
you're not gonna work. When Kenny Pickett struggling with the
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layups or Desmond Ritter, you know, eight yards in the flat,
you have to hit it one hundred out of one
hundred times. Zach Wilson missed like ten out of thirty.
You got to get the layups in this league. Got
to get the layups right. You missed the dunks occasionally
at three pointers. I'll give it to you. Harbor to
the Bears was a lap Cliff Kingsbury to the Bears
was a layup. You're missing the layups. So I don't
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doubt this story at all. And by the way, this
is not a Caleb Williams issue. Greg co Sell was
on our show yesterday. Greg co Sell, who looks at film,
probably the most objective person I bring on this show,
has zero agendas. It's not the quarterback. The quarterback's talented.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
He's more decisive. The ball's coming out now. It's a
coach's job to nitpick. So there are a couple of
things that the film shows that he absolutely needs to
work on to even get better. He has a tendency
to climb or step up in the pocket when there's
no pressure on him, so he creates some of his
own pressure by doing that that he needs to work on.
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The Other thing that he's getting better at, and this
is good, is he used to leave the pocket by
retreating backwards. You can't do that in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Those are things Harball would have gotten rid of very quickly.
But co Sell has said this three straight weeks. When
he talks about Caleb Williams, he'll tell you the guy's
an unbelievable talent. He's an unbelievable talent. And co Sell
doesn't say that. Co Sell didn't buy into the Russell
Wilson hype in Seattle, never bought into the Trevor Lawrence stuff.
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There's a lot of stuff he pushes back on. He
keeps saying when he comes on our show, this kid's unbelievable.
Can the Bears just not screw it up? That's what
it comes down to. Blazing five. I really like the
picks this week, Really really like the picks this week
in our Blazing five. And I will tell you a
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lot of its circumstantial teams will play poorly. Then they
go back home. There's a couple of those and they
have to win. I actually think there's I think you
and I are going to have more agreement in Blazing
five than we have had all see, we always have
one we agree with, in one we disagree with. I
think I think you may have picked three or four
of the games I liked. That's that's how obvious the
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games are this week.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Did you pick a team that rhymes with Schmiegels?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I did that.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Okay, okay, I did that. You know my rule. The
biggest spread of the week, I don't pick you that.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I probably should be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and Noone Easter not a im Pacific.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
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Conference ground as twentieth ranked takes on Heisman contender Ashton
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sevent eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
So the Lions were missing eleven starters against the Packers.
That's why I like green Bay and the points last night.
Twenty eight twenty seven. Eighteen players on the IR is
currently the most in the NFL. So they're going out
and getting Jamal Adams and they're finding guys on the street.
And again that's why I thought green Bay would kind
of narrowly win last night. So what that Detroit win
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proves last night, though, is how real they are. So
it's a stacked roster. We know that. And even when
it gets eaten alive by injuries. They can still be
the Green Bay and their front office can still cherry
pick guys around the league and on the street, and
so in Detroit. Last year, we loved the story of
the Lions. This year, I think it's easier to love
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the team. I think they're going to begin I think
this is the first year of about four years them
entering a San Francisco forty nine er stage where we
kind of feel like, oh, this is the best roster
in the league. And that's how we felt about the Niners,
and it lasted about four to five years and now
it's gotten old. But I think Detroit's entering that Niner state.
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Doesn't guarantee Super Bowls. You gotta constantly tweak, but I
trust their front office. So outside of Philadelphia, I think
Detroit has the best roster. I think their O line
is the best in the league. I think their quarterback
is great. I think they have two unique running backs.
They'll get a star edge rusher back next year. They
have the best young safety in the game. There's nothing
I don't like, and last night it's a great example
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where they didn't run the ball, and that's what they
do really well, so they needed Goff to be great,
and GoF didn't have an incompletion for the last twenty
one and a half minutes of the game. So, you know,
really good teams win different ways. And because they have
so many great players going into their prime, Gof's expensive
penae sewel, you're gonna have to start paying amor on
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Saint Brown. You start paying three, four fo or five
guys like the Niners, then it gets tough. The margin
shrink really quickly. They are about three years when the
Niners were just blasting people, and then last year they're
beating people and this year they're losing close games. So there,
but I think this team has entered the Niner stage
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four to five years of wow, blowing a lot of
people out, enough great players where they don't have to
play all their starters, can miss several starters and beat
an excellent team. And here's Dan Campbell after.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
Guys, I'm so freaking proudly. Now, that's the way to
show up. You talk about pressure, We live in pressure.
That's where we freaking fried. You get it again, you
get it again. Well, it doesn't matter who's playing for us,
no matter what's going on. You always find a way
to win. That's what champions do.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So last night, Green Bay gets the ball in the
second half to start touchdown, interception, touchdown, So Detroit went,
you know, from up ten to down four and you're like, oh,
and it was a heavyweight fight. They were the last
one standing. Golf didn't throw in completions, there was one
punt in the second half. It turned into a track meet.
It wasn't in the first half. It turned into a
track meet. And they're missing eighteen guys on the ir
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and they won. So it's something. It's impressive. So you know,
I got into this discussion yesterday with a friend, big
Ohio State fan, and I said, you know, obviously we
are still talking about a football game that happened Saturday,
a college football game. So that's the big game in
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college football. And it was a shocking result. Ohio State
three touchdown favorite plus and lost at home. So Urban Meyer,
who's on our show last hour, has shut down any
rumors of returning. So let's just say this. Let's do
a little hypothetical. Don't love doing that little hypothetical. Let's
say Ohio State loses. I don't think they will unless
they play Tennessee could go either way. But let's say
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they lose in the first round of the twelve team playoff. Okay,
for the record, I don't think that'll happen. And then
let's say they fire Ryan Day. I don't think that
would happen, and I wouldn't do that because I do
think he's in that second third tier of coaches that
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you just probably shouldn't fire. But let me ask you
who's big enough for the job. Chip Kelly hates recruiting
and is Ryan Day's best friend. He's probably not taking it.
Mike Vrabel has on podcasts kind of rolled his eyes
at the current nil transfer portal recruiting. Doesn't love it,
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Bill Belichick, give me a break. So I mean Urban Meyer,
who again has had health scares. He likes what he's doing,
He's making a big living, he's good at what he's doing.
So I don't think Ohio State. I think Ohio State, Oregon,
and Texas are the three teams I think can win
a national championship. So if you're buying stock, I would
buy buck Eye Stalk. Now, you know everybody wanted Ryan
(33:00):
Day fired on the Reddit board. What happens if he
wins three straight games in the playoff. But I think
this job is so big, and because Ryan Day had
never been a head coach, the guy they hire, if
they fire him, they'll go with an experienced head coach.
You tell me who's on the market. The one name
I would think of as Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly went south,
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kind of did a hokey, faky inauthentic Southern accent, has
never really perfectly fit. And I actually think he would
come back North. He was in Notre Dame, got good
recruiting ties, and he's coached a lot of North, not
much Southern recruiting, and it's been a weird fit at LSU.
And let's be honest, if he has a bad year
next year, they'll fire him. So I mean that is
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one maybe you keep your eye on Ryan Day for
a year and if it doesn't work, you go get
Brian Kelly. That's what I would do if you're gonna
fire Ryan Day, which I wouldn't. But you know the
criticism of him is well, kind of like Mark Rickton Georgia,
he'd never been a head coach. He's good, not great.
(34:02):
Those all may be true. Albert Breer, who went to
Ohio State. NFL Insider talked a little about Ryan Day
and the Buckeyes.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
I think every coach who's coaching Ohio State feels the pressure.
But how do you approach the pressure? Do you think
the pressure is a burden? Do you feel like you're
a victim of the pressure, or do you think the
pressure is a privilege? I love Ryan as a person
as a coach, Like I just I wonder sometimes like
do you fully embrace it? Do you fully embrace the
terms of employment?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, it's rough. I've always felt Ohio State is the
only SEC team up north. It's you know, I mean
they fired John Cooper who was winning ten eleven games
a year because he couldn't beat Michigan. And that passion
is why it's the best football program, not Michigan. It's
Ohio State is the best football program north in America.
(34:55):
The other best programs are you know, it's better than
Notre Dame, It's better than Michigan. Historically, it's the best program.
And you know the duality of those crazy fans is
they overreact massively. Ryan Day is a very good coach.
He does not appear to be at this point in
his life a great coach, although I do think you
know Brian Kelly as he was growing as a coach.
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He was doing it not at Ohio State or Notre Dame.
So what happened is when Brian Kelly gets the job
at Notre Dame, he's a fully formed head coach. He'd
been doing this all He's made a lot of mistakes
that none of you watched. The games weren't on television
or you weren't watching them. So with Ryan Day, when
he makes young coaching mistakes, it's Ohio State on every
game except the Youngstown State games on television somewhere nationally.
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So that's the downside to getting a young whiz, you know,
like Lincoln Riley's first head coaching job at Oklahoma. I mean,
everybody watches Oklahoma on Saturday, so if you make any mistakes,
everybody notices it. When you take the Urban nobody was
watching Urban Meyer at Bowling Green and very few people
I was one of them, were watching the Utah games.
And then he goes to Florida and you're watching and
you're like, this guy's a great coach. He made a
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lot of mistakes the first two places he went. So
Ryan Day doesn't get that pass the mistakes he makes,
you're watching them. It's why I always say this to
parents who are like, oh, I want my kid to
get a job at Fox, and I'm like, well where
if they worked in TV? Well they haven't. Then go
to Midland Texas and make mistakes because I don't have
any interest your kid being on my show behind the
scenes and making a mistake. This is not a first job, right,
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so like, go make mistakes, take the steps. You start
missing steps in any journey, and they will. You don't
want your first job to be a high profile job.
You'll want to make mistakes. And Ryan Day's first gig,
this is it. He wasn't even a coordinator for that
long and he got the job. I mean, I would
argue outside of Texas, I think Ohio State's the second
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best job in the country. I wouldn't want to coach
in the SEC, it's too crazy. But I think Texas
isn't the South. It's got a little Western flair. I
think Austin Texas, the donors, the money, the brand. I
think Texas is the best job. Also, they have the
best athletic director in the country. I think there's a
real argument Ohia is in a short list of number two.
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I would take it over at Alabama. I'd rather live
in Columbus. I would take it over a lot of jobs, LSU.
I take it over a lot of them. So it's
just when everybody wants their kids to get the job sooner.
And it's like, man, when you skip steps and you
take a big job at any company, everybody's watching, You're
much better served to be patient make mistakes when nobody watches.
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That's what Brian Kelly did for years before Notre Dame Jmack.
There's two big games this weekend. I like Oregon to
beat a Penn State and I like Texas to beat Georgia.
What say you?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
So I think Penn State's going to keep it close.
Would not shock me if they pulled the upset. But
I bet them plus three and a half. So I
do think Oregon's a better team. Yes, yes, And what
was the other game? You have smu closed? No, no, no,
that's oh Texas Georgia. So the problem with this game
a it's a rematch, and there's the revenge angle for
Texas getting your butt kicked at home. And do you
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remember what your lead in was that that we it
was like, this is the biggest game in Texas football history,
and like the heype machine and they got just steamrolled.
We could see this matchup a third time in the playoffs. Yeah,
and I'm very curious how both coaches attack this game.
I will go Georgia just because of the trenches and
I think they're super dangerous. But Carson Beck, he's had
so many chances on big spots this year.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Well, you know, there's a bunch of new things happening
in college football. The twelve team playoffs starts December twentieth,
the NIL and the portal, and so these things have
all converged, and there's a couple of things we have learned.
One of the things the unintended benefits of it, of
the transfer portal and the NIL, and there's been some downsides,
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but the unintended benefit is that it's cherry picked very
good backups from Georgia and Texas and Oklahoma's and Ohio states.
So whereas the big schools can go by the best
players on the market, no question, but they lose depth
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because the backups to those players who are often four
and five star players, they're gonna go to Wake Forest Louisville, Purdue, SMU,
some of these well heeled schools with boosters, they'll they'll
go by your backups. So what happens as the college
football season is now extended and it looks more like
an NFL schedule, players more players get hurt, and these
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Ohio States don't have good backups, and Clemson not a
big portal team, but a lot of these good teams
like Georgia and Ohio State, they don't have like four
legit running backs and three legit left tackles. So that's
where everybody complains about nil and the portal, but it is,
it has made. It has given us. I mean, two
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loss teams and three loss teams can now make the playoffs.
You lose in September and October, it's not punitive, right,
It's like you can do twice. Baas Bama's got three losses,
they're gonna get in blazing five coming up next
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, it is a Friday. What a game last night,
Lions and Packers. This is the Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. Blazing five. I think this
is actually one of the better weeks for numbers. Blazing
five one hour from now. Jmac, what'd you make it
last night?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Lucky?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Dan Campbell?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Things broke his way prey fortunate on foot down almost
every freaking time.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, I think the lesson last night. I don't care
if you're a football code CEO or a parent, operating
in absolutes usually does not end well. Just think about that,
operating in absolutes. Dan Campbell now coaches like we always
(01:15):
go for it on fourth down. And this morning, Lion fans, oh,
they feel great and it is great when you're three
thirteen and one. But do you know the team since
Dan Campbell arrived in the NFL that don't go for
it on fourth down? Do you know who they are?
The Chiefs, the Bills, and the Niners. They protect leads.
You're no longer the hunter, You're the hunted. You're now IBM.
(01:36):
You're not a startup company. Dan Campbell can no longer
be a pro wrestler living up to the gimmick. They
lead the NFL in fourth down attempts and fourth down conversions,
and you feel great this morning, But that's not who
you are anymore. It's like when you're young, put your
money in bitcoin, when you're old, put it in bonds.
It's a different life the runway. Now your players are
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now in their prime. They're gonna get very, very expensive.
You're gonna have to move off them. You're playing consistently
with leads. In my lifetime, I don't ever remember a
team winning the Super Bowl that had the all season
label of man, they are risky. New England wasn't. Kansas
City isn't. Buffalo isn't. That's not what wins championships last
(02:20):
year against Dallas by the way two point conversions week seventeen.
Remember we kept going for those. It cost you the
game and it cost you the playoff tiebreaker. So this
eventually won't win Kansas City, Buffalo, and San Francisco. Since
Dan Campbell came in the league, the three winningest teams
don't go for it. They're protecting leads, protecting assets, Like
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right now, Detroit should be buying insurance for this mansion
they've built, for all these beautiful assets they have. But
they're just used to losing. The Tigers lose, the Pistons lose,
the Lions lose. It's Loserville and they've never been in
this spot. But you are no longer the looking up
hill at everybody else. You're looking down at everybody. You're
(03:07):
leading these games. You need to ensure wins. Reckless is
not going to I mean, like that play when there's
forty three seconds left and you go for it, kick
the field goal. Even analytics said kick the field goal.
Good God, just take the lead. Green Bays got forty
three seconds and no timeouts left, and they just stopped
(03:27):
h third and one. They couldn't do it on fourth
and one. This thing, Jared Goff fell out. It was
almost a disaster. Just take the lead again. When companies grow,
when you're a startup company, you can take swings at
stuff because you have nothing to lose. Detroit now has
stuff to lose. Super Bowls, not games, home field advantage.
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Here comes Philadelphia super Bowls. Minnesota is on your heels.
You have a lot more to lose now. I don't
believe in playing it safe. Playing it safe is Michigan
against Penn State second half. Never throwing the ball, not
going for it when you can for forty three seconds
left take the lead. Is not fling it safe. It's
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playing it reasonable. And everybody in life has to pivot again.
Stuff I did at twenties I'm not doing once I
have kids. Stuff I invested in when I was twenty
I'm not doing now. I don't have the runway to
make that kind of money. Detroit's different now. They're looking down,
they're not looking up. You gotta pivot. And they're a
very good team, but they're so beat up defensively. Now
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the margins are getting tight. The margins are getting very
small in these games. They don't look like that in October,
and that means situational football will be king. That's why
Andy Reid is winning Super Bowls. It's why Sean Payton
has turned around the Broncos in year two with a
rookie quarterback. He's winning those situational moments. And sometimes the
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winning isn't going forward. It's field position, it's punting, it's
not beating yourself. This morning, everybody feels good, but I
just to me, forty three seconds left, going for it,
golf almost falls. What if there's a fumble and then
I mean seriously, when he fell, I'm thinking, oh my god,
(05:15):
this reminds me of Joe Pisarcik the Giants and the
Eagles thirty years ago in the NFL. You guys don't
remember that if you're in your twenties and thirties. That
was almost a disaster of epic proportions. The other it's like,
oh my god, here's Dan Campbell.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
After I just felt like we needed to end it
on offense, you know, and I did not want to
give that ball back, and I believe we could get that.
I believe we can convert. It's a hell of a
call by Ben, you know it. Just I knew how
I wanted to play this game, the team knew it,
and and everything in me told me that let's let's
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finish this, and.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So we did. I loved Dan Campbell's Ethan and the
way he built this startup. But they're not a startup,
you know. They're not first year after Blockbuster Netflix. They're
like the king of streaming, Like this is the best
roster probably in football. They're setting records. I mean, last
(06:17):
night it is a prime example of what playoff football
looks like. Detroit couldn't run the ball. They couldn't run
the ball. They got into a tight game at home.
That's a playoff game. And again, I just think this
city has had so many losing teams that they don't
realize now they're no longer the hunter. They are the hunted.
And when they go to the playoffs, the pressure now mounts.
(06:39):
You'll be a number one seed. It mounts. Teams are tight,
your defense isn't as good. You're beat up. No reason
to be reckless, no reason to be There's a big
difference between taking smart, reasonable risk and reckless. But this morning,
everybody feels great. Let's talk Green Bay. So I've said
this a few times. The Packers are the Lions last year,
(07:03):
they're one year away. They're really really close. Green Bay
is excellent, head coach, excellent quarterback, excellent, skill people, excellent.
Jordan Love is he just needs more seasoning. When he
came out of Utah State, he was a project. Well
he's not a project anymore, but he's not quite there.
You saw in the first half he only had three
(07:23):
completions the last two years he started off and he
has to literally go into the Matt Lafleur school of quarterbacking.
So he's only started thirty games. And to give you
some idea of how few that is, Mac Jones has
forty five starts. Okay, he's got like fifty percent more starts.
So I mean, Jayden Reid almost got no looks last night.
(07:46):
So Jordan Love is really really good. So is the coach,
So is the running back. So are the skilled people
really good? But I feel like there's there's steps in everything.
You really see it. In the NBA. Giannis was good,
that he was great, that he was dominant, there's a title,
then he gets older, then he gets aging, then he
gets hurt. Like there's steps to all this stuff. San
Francisco is a great example. Last five years, they felt
(08:08):
like Detroit that's the best roster probably in the NFL,
and then all of a sudden it gets expensive and brittled,
and all of a sudden it falls. So right now
green Bay is a stock and it is just going up, up, up,
and I think gets one year away. Maybe not. Maybe
they shocked the world, but green Bay is nine and four.
So they've lost to the Lions twice, the Eagles, and
the Vikings. They're nine to zero against everybody else. So
(08:29):
they're losing to the right teams. And last night I thought,
I'll be honest with you, when they got the interception,
so they start the second half of the ball, they're
gonna touch down, they get an interception and getting nerd touchdown,
I thought it was green Bay's night. And we'll talk
more about that. But they're close, They're really really close.
There's there's not much about green Bay I don't like.
(08:51):
And here's their coach.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
After old their team.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
We're going to have to earn the right to potentially
come back here, and it's not going to be easy,
and we got to put in the work. But I'm
confident in the resiliency of our group and that they're
going to continue to fight and push each other to
get better and stay connected. Because I do think we
have a pretty good football team.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I'm watching those two teams last night with my wife Anne,
and she's from Detroit, and I'm like, what you're watching
are two really really good football teams, top five teams.
Those are two top five teams in the league. And
Detroit maybe number one and green Baby number five whatever,
those are two top five teams. And I kept thinking,
poor Chicago, Poor Chicago Bears. I mean, you better get
(09:42):
the right coach because green Bay is not. They don't
have players in their prime yet. Jordan Love's not in
his prime yet, all those receivers, tight ends, they're not
in their prime yet. Detroit's players are just pinay Sewel
are just entering their prime. So Detroit's a year ahead
head in my opinion of what Green Bay is. But
(10:04):
I kept thinking, boy, Chicago, you could have had a hardball.
You whiffed on that. You better get a rock star
at coach because green Bay for the next five years
is Super Bowl category starting to meet next year and
Detroit's there. Now. That was a really good product last night,
j Mac. People complained about officiating, get to that later,
(10:24):
but that was really good coaching. Quarterback play intensity, there
was drama, there's great skill. I thought green Bay's defense,
you know, like really slowing down the Detroit running train
with something not many people have done that.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Who do you come out looking better in this game?
Like going forward this season? I know you mentioned next time.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I think Detroit's I think to win a Super Bowl
you generally have to have six or seven really elite
players in their prime. And I think green Bay maybe
has want JayR Alexanderish maybe one and then they have
about five guys. It's like Jordan Love next year by Thanksgiving,
he's in the prime. I don't think they're I think
all these gall their skilled players feel like Thanksgiving next year,
(11:09):
they're all moving into They played twenty games, twenty five games,
they're moving into their prime.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I just look at that Packers thirty one points. Jayden
Reid did nothing. He had one target, zero catches. Jayden
Reid is super dynamic. They scored I believe four straight
times when they had the ball in the second half.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I come away from this like you don't want to
see the Packers in January. This team look to me
really good. Defense wasn't healthy?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I I well, by the way I sign on the
Packers for me, by the way, oh yeah, going forward,
defenses statistically get hurt more than offenses. Both those defenses
last night beat up. Yeah, offense is healthy. Defenses beat up.
So of the many reasons offense has taken over this league.
(11:53):
The Niners great defense couldn't stop Holmes in the Super Bowl,
right like we see Kansas City's great defense, you know,
struggles and super bowls to stop Filadelphia. What you're finding is,
as the league has become more offensive and quarterback centric,
the other reality, the other truth statistically is defensive players
get hurt more than offensive players. And last night there's
like seven different defensive starters out and the offenses are humming.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
How about the Packers, by the way, defensively taking away
the big, gigantic play from the Lions. Remember Monday Night Football,
there was all these seventy eighty yard plays. None of
that for the Lions. I think their longest play was
twenty eight yards. They're keeping everything in front of them
with the too high and I just come away like
Detroit looked good, but that Green Bay team four or
five in the red zone, they looked awesome to me
(12:35):
last night on the road, hostile environment, I think Packers
could make the NFC Championship would not surprise me at all.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
No, wouldn't me either. Coming up next, the worst move
maybe of the year in the NFL, and it was
a move a team didn't make. And I heard something
yesterday about Bill Belichick that is a complete head scratcher.
We'll talk about that coming out.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
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Speaker 1 (13:06):
Some things just sound like a terrible idea. Report that
Bill Belichick has genuine interest in coaching North Carolina now
that Mac Brown's leaving. That is a terrible idea. Bill
Belichick groveling to eighteen year olds, Yeah, that's not gonna work.
Say it out loud. Belichick with donors, groveling to recruits
(13:29):
doing TikTok videos to get a linebacker in Texas. This
thing feels like the Grinch saying, you know, I want
to lead the Christmas parade. College football is more charisma
than curmudgeon. And it's also seventeen hours a week max.
Of practice. Do your job is do your job really quickly.
(13:51):
I mean Nick Saban is the closest comp to Belichick,
and he said get me out of here with the
nil and portal changes like Nick's like I'm doone this,
like Matt Patricia to offensive coordinator. College football coach is
seventy five percent sales and marketing. And that's why I
think Lincoln Riley's struggling at USC. He doesn't love recruiting.
(14:13):
Chip Kelly didn't love recruiting. Dan Mullen didn't love recruiting.
I think they're all good coaches, So I just this
is some things just don't you think to yourself, well,
if you can coach in college, you could, If you're
a super Bowl winning coach, you could coach in college.
It doesn't work that way. College is like a different world.
He has a twenty four year old girlfriend. She would
(14:33):
be great in Chapel Hill Bill at seventy two, which,
by the way, isn't that about the time Rodney Dangerfield
went back to college. How that work out? I just don't.
It doesn't work. This is not gonna work. There are
college coaches that I think would work in the NFL.
Jim Harbaugh proven it. I think there are NFL coaches.
I always thought John Gruden would be a great college coach.
(14:53):
He's got some charisma. He you know, he's a good salesman.
He can sell John I mean, and I always thought,
by the way, Rex Ryan, I thought he has no
interest in it. I told Rex Ryan once, you'd be
a great college coach. Good looking guy, big smile, big energy.
He'd be better than ninety percent of the coaches at college. Anyway,
there are guys out there in the NFL that could
(15:15):
coach college. I absolutely believe it. And you know there's
college guys that can work in the pros, but there's
personality matters. Nick Saban needs control. He wasn't a great
fit in the NFL. You know, Pete Carroll could coach both.
Jimmy Johnson could coach both. But it's not for everybody.
This just sounds awful. Now maybe again we've been talking
(15:38):
about this Belichick and he's doing a good job at
this is creating headlines about coaching wile he broadcasts. But
nobody thinks Bill loves broadcasting. He loves coaching. Sean Payton
really really liked broadcasting and he got back to coaching.
Bill doesn't love it. He never loved the media. He's
doing a good job, but a lot of what he's
saying now feels like it's engineering interest for jobs, which
(16:04):
I'm okay with. Use this all you have to, but
that's what this doesn't sound good to me at all.
Jmckle the news, No, no, turn on the news. This
is the herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Good Rodney dangerfield reference. Let's get started with Saquon Barkley,
who has been the biggest offseason edition by any team
this summer Eagles for flying high and reaping the benefits.
Saquan has been getting a lot of MVP love, but
he thinks there's one person on his own team who
deserves to be in the conversation as well.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
I was talking about the other day of my family,
I don't really know how to explain it, but like
he has it, like the if fact they're like to
win like one football games, like he has that, and
then like they're like, well, how do you explain it?
I don't really know, how do you explain that? Like
you just know you see it, Like I don't think
there's a lot of people who's gonna have a fumble
snap in a one yard lot and still find a
way to score a touchdown like he has. That to him.
(17:01):
You know his hook career here.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, I think that it is hard to explain, but
there is a certain it quality to certain quarterbacks where
they're not the biggest. He's not the best guy from
the pocket, he's not the biggest. He runs often better
than he throws, but there isn't it quality people certain
people just have. I mean when you look at Joe Burrow,
he doesn't have the biggest arm. He didn't have he
didn't have the biggest size. He's not the most mobile,
(17:24):
but there is something about Joe Burrow on third down, accuracy, repetition, unafraid,
like there you would get when Josh Allen throws the
ball with his size, or mahomes is doing arm angles
or Stafford you're like oh yeah yeah, or Aaron Rodgers,
but there is and you get Brady and Manning the
mastery of the line of scrimmage. But Jalen is not
(17:47):
considered a plus in most of the things that he
doesn't run like Lamar or Josh Allen, although he's pretty good.
He didn't throw like you know, a Herbert or a Burrow.
But there is a quality to him that he is
when given the right tools, he's a tough out.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, you use the word charisma last segment, and that's
what the right now Riz, you know, the rizzler like
Jalen Hurts, has that ring. He just he looks unrattled,
unbothered at all times, and he has that gravitational pull.
Like anywhere he goes, people like him.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Remember how he like kind of flamed out at Alabama
and tour was waiting behind him. Goes to Oklahoma, what happens, Colin,
You know, they're amazing. He's in the Heiston discussion. Yeah,
like everybody loves him everywhere he goes. He's just got
that equality. Let's go to another guy who doesn't really
have that, and that's Kirk Cousins. He's going home ish
to Minnesota this week for the first time as a Falcon.
(18:42):
He played many years for the Vikings, but Cousins man,
we talked about this streak zero touchdowns, six picks in
his last three games. You don't want to say look
washed against the Chargers with some of those throws.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Well, head coach Rahie Morris was asked about making a
quarterback change. He said, Kirk is built for this and
he's ready to go. So when handicapping this game, and
you want to break it down. You know, Kevin O'Connell
saw Kirk Cousins all of last year, was with it.
Brian Flores saw him last year, was with him the
whole time. They decided let's move on for me. Yes,
they know his strengths, his weaknesses.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Kevin O'Connell moving off him for Sam Darnold, who was
a reclamation project. That there there's your answer. And I
thought he was a great fit in Atlanta. I thought
it would work for about a year and a half.
It looks like it's worked for about seventy five percent
of one year. It happened by the way he and
Aaron Rodgers both have struggled in second halves. Have you
(19:37):
noticed Aaron Rodgers? His second half numbers are bad. So
he comes out and you know he's on script, and
then when you ask Aaron to add lib he runs
out of juice. Remember Tyson by round three or four
lost his legs. If you watch Kirk Cousins second halfs,
he's lost his legs, he loses his fastball, and they're
both Aaron and Kirk are coming off surgeries. They probably
(19:59):
should have in another two months off. Remember the first
game Kirk Cousins against the Steelers, Oh terror, it was
just he looked. And then second game, third game, fourth game,
but it does feel like he When you come off
that surgery, you can fake it for about ten weeks.
You get into the later part of the season, and
Aaron and Kirk looked tired.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I mean, Kevin O'Connell knows how limited Cousins is with
the playbook, like the replace. He couldn't run in Minnesota
because of Kirk's issues. And I just think Brian Floores
knows this guy, saw him in practice every day. I
don't know why the Vikings aren't a lock here to
win this game in cover now, this hit six yesterday,
this one all the way up to six, came back
a little to the five and a half. Are we
(20:37):
gonna hear about this game in the Blazing five?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yes we are, okay.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Good to know, Good to know.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It is a favorites weekend, by the way, I like
a lot of favorites.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
All right, Final story, Colin, this is kind of crazy,
but last night during the pregame ceremony of Packers Lions,
some jabbroni who was holding the flag, some Lions fan
starts to jaw jacking with the coach of the Packers.
Look at him, he's talking. He was a boy. He's
out there to hold the flag during the national anthem,
and this dude just starts. I don't know what he
(21:05):
was saying to Laflour, but Laflour was having none of it. Colin,
I mean, come on, this is embarrassing for Detroit.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You're there to hold a.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Flag, not talk trash to the opposing coach.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Listen, Dan Campbell was getting death threats earlier this year
at his home. I mean, Detroit, we know it's Loserville.
Take a deep breath. This is a rare moment where
people actually care about your sports teams. Act like Gromo.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
You act like you've been there before, even though you haven't.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Embarrassing Jmack with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Heard
Line News.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So this story is a real thing. Kevin Warren is
the president of the Chicago Bears. A lot of different
opinions used to run the Big Ten. Some have told
me didn't don't always think he's buttoned up with the details.
But according to a longtime host in Chicago, Dan McNeil
(22:00):
and a former general manager in the NFL, Mike Lombardi.
Jim Harbaugh wanted the Bear's job in January, but Kevin
Warren quashed it. So Harbaugh wanted the job. So they're listen,
whatever you think about Kevin Warren and the Bears, there's
three major red flags with the Bears, and they're undeniable.
(22:23):
Passing on Jim Harbaugh, who was the perfect fed. We'll
get to that in a second. Passing on Cliff Kingsbury
for Shane Waldron. Kingsbury had been Caleb Williams oc in college,
and they considered benching Caleb Williams, who, by the way,
has more one hundred plus passer rating games this year
(22:45):
than Patrick Mahomes. They thought about benching him. So take
out the Jets, and you know, Chicago, there's an argument
is the second most dysfunctional team in this league. All
of the Caleb Williams private hesitations about this team and
franchise have been validated. I broke a story last year
(23:08):
and I said privately, he's got concerns. He came out
the next day and said no, no, no, no, I don't no, no.
He didn't want to be the bad guy. But privately,
people in his camp were saying, it's the Bears. They
can't get quarterback right, and he was right. And I mean,
if it's true that Kevin Warren passed on Jim Harbaugh,
you got to get over yourself sometimes. Don't make it personal.
It's business. And I mean, just think about how good
(23:30):
of a fit Jim Harball was. Just think about this
first of all, you know, I'll say this, Men holding
grudges have ruined a lot of businesses. But Jim Harbaugh
has a history with the Bears and a history of
developing quarterbacks, and he's a culture builder. Is there anybody
in the NFL now that the Chargers are fixed that
(23:51):
needs their culture fixed more than maybe the Jets and
the Bears. Kevin Stefanski's done a good job in Cleveland,
he really has. He didn't have the quarterback right do
a good job. Harbaugh's done a great job. That's what
Harbaugh does, great with quarterbacks, great culture builder. That's exactly
what the Bears needed. And the Bears need a rock
star head coach. Did you watch Green Bay in Detroit
(24:11):
last night? There were twenty great players in those games,
and all of them either young or in their prime.
And forget Minnesota, which is ten and two in a
rebuilding year at quarterback. So you can't ham An Eggett
in Chicago. You can't worry about if you're Kevin Warren.
I want to hire a coach I can control. That's
not going to be a Harbaugh or a Sean Payton.
(24:35):
That's or a Belichick or a Mike Rabel. Get out
of the control thing. Guys love controlling stuff. Rock Stars
can't be controlled. Real ones and coaches rock stars. They
can't be controlled. Harball's not going to be controlled. Sean
Payton's not, and he reads not. Belichick wasn't. So it's
I mean, I don't doubt this story for a second.
(24:57):
And here's the thing. We talk about this all the time,
Jim Harbaugh with a history of the Bears culture changing
and quarterback elevation. This was an easy one. This is
a layup. What do I always say about young quarterbacks
in the league. If you can't get the layups right,
you're not gonna work. When Kenny Pickett struggling with the
(25:19):
layups or Desmond Ritter, you know, eight yards in the flat,
you have to hit it one hundred out of one
hundred times. Zach Wilson missed like ten out of thirty.
You got to get the layups in this league. Got
to get the layups right. You missed the dunks occasionally
at three pointers. I'll give it to you. Harbor to
the Bears was a lap Cliff Kingsbury to the Bears
was a layup. You're missing the layups. So I don't
(25:42):
doubt this story at all. And by the way, this
is not a Caleb Williams issue. Greg co Sell was
on our show yesterday. Greg co Sell, who looks at film,
probably the most objective person I bring on this show,
has zero agendas. It's not the quarterback. The quarterback's talented.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
He's more decisive. The ball's coming out now. It's a
coach's job to nitpick. So there are a couple of
things that the film shows that he absolutely needs to
work on to even get better. He has a tendency
to climb or step up in the pocket when there's
no pressure on him, so he creates some of his
own pressure by doing that that he needs to work on.
(26:20):
The Other thing that he's getting better at, and this
is good, is he used to leave the pocket by
retreating backwards. You can't do that in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Those are things Harball would have gotten rid of very quickly.
But co Sell has said this three straight weeks. When
he talks about Caleb Williams, he'll tell you the guy's
an unbelievable talent. He's an unbelievable talent. And co Sell
doesn't say that. Co Sell didn't buy into the Russell
Wilson hype in Seattle, never bought into the Trevor Lawrence stuff.
(26:49):
There's a lot of stuff he pushes back on. He
keeps saying when he comes on our show, this kid's unbelievable.
Can the Bears just not screw it up? That's what
it comes down to. Blazing five. I really like the
picks this week, Really really like the picks this week
in our Blazing five. And I will tell you a
(27:11):
lot of its circumstantial teams will play poorly. Then they
go back home. There's a couple of those and they
have to win. I actually think there's I think you
and I are going to have more agreement in Blazing
five than we have had all see, we always have
one we agree with, in one we disagree with. I
think I think you may have picked three or four
of the games I liked. That's that's how obvious the
(27:32):
games are this week.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Did you pick a team that rhymes with Schmiegels?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I did that.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Okay, okay, I did that. You know my rule. The
biggest spread of the week, I don't pick you that.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I probably should be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and Noone Easter not a im Pacific.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Tonight on Fox, it's a fight for the Mountain West
Conference ground as twentieth ranked takes on Heisman contender Ashton
genty and Ted Frank Boise. State coverage begins Friday at
sevent eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
So the Lions were missing eleven starters against the Packers.
That's why I like green Bay and the points last night.
Twenty eight twenty seven. Eighteen players on the IR is
currently the most in the NFL. So they're going out
and getting Jamal Adams and they're finding guys on the street.
And again that's why I thought green Bay would kind
of narrowly win last night. So what that Detroit win
(28:32):
proves last night, though, is how real they are. So
it's a stacked roster. We know that. And even when
it gets eaten alive by injuries. They can still be
the Green Bay and their front office can still cherry
pick guys around the league and on the street, and
so in Detroit. Last year, we loved the story of
the Lions. This year, I think it's easier to love
(28:53):
the team. I think they're going to begin I think
this is the first year of about four years them
entering a San Francisco forty nine er stage where we
kind of feel like, oh, this is the best roster
in the league. And that's how we felt about the Niners,
and it lasted about four to five years and now
it's gotten old. But I think Detroit's entering that Niner state.
(29:15):
Doesn't guarantee Super Bowls. You gotta constantly tweak, but I
trust their front office. So outside of Philadelphia, I think
Detroit has the best roster. I think their O line
is the best in the league. I think their quarterback
is great. I think they have two unique running backs.
They'll get a star edge rusher back next year. They
have the best young safety in the game. There's nothing
I don't like, and last night it's a great example
(29:36):
where they didn't run the ball, and that's what they
do really well, so they needed Goff to be great,
and GoF didn't have an incompletion for the last twenty
one and a half minutes of the game. So, you know,
really good teams win different ways. And because they have
so many great players going into their prime, Gof's expensive
penae sewel, you're gonna have to start paying amor on
(29:57):
Saint Brown. You start paying three, four fo or five
guys like the Niners, then it gets tough. The margin
shrink really quickly. They are about three years when the
Niners were just blasting people, and then last year they're
beating people and this year they're losing close games. So there,
but I think this team has entered the Niner stage
(30:19):
four to five years of wow, blowing a lot of
people out, enough great players where they don't have to
play all their starters, can miss several starters and beat
an excellent team. And here's Dan Campbell after.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
Guys, I'm so freaking proudly. Now, that's the way to
show up. You talk about pressure, We live in pressure.
That's where we freaking fried. You get it again, you
get it again. Well, it doesn't matter who's playing for us,
no matter what's going on. You always find a way
to win. That's what champions do.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
So last night, Green Bay gets the ball in the
second half to start touchdown, interception, touchdown, So Detroit went,
you know, from up ten to down four and you're like, oh,
and it was a heavyweight fight. They were the last
one standing. Golf didn't throw in completions, there was one
punt in the second half. It turned into a track meet.
It wasn't in the first half. It turned into a
track meet. And they're missing eighteen guys on the ir
(31:12):
and they won. So it's something. It's impressive. So you know,
I got into this discussion yesterday with a friend, big
Ohio State fan, and I said, you know, obviously we
are still talking about a football game that happened Saturday,
a college football game. So that's the big game in
(31:33):
college football. And it was a shocking result. Ohio State
three touchdown favorite plus and lost at home. So Urban Meyer,
who's on our show last hour, has shut down any
rumors of returning. So let's just say this. Let's do
a little hypothetical. Don't love doing that little hypothetical. Let's
say Ohio State loses. I don't think they will unless
they play Tennessee could go either way. But let's say
(31:54):
they lose in the first round of the twelve team playoff. Okay,
for the record, I don't think that'll happen. And then
let's say they fire Ryan Day. I don't think that
would happen, and I wouldn't do that because I do
think he's in that second third tier of coaches that
(32:17):
you just probably shouldn't fire. But let me ask you
who's big enough for the job. Chip Kelly hates recruiting
and is Ryan Day's best friend. He's probably not taking it.
Mike Vrabel has on podcasts kind of rolled his eyes
at the current nil transfer portal recruiting. Doesn't love it,
(32:37):
Bill Belichick, give me a break. So I mean Urban Meyer,
who again has had health scares. He likes what he's doing,
He's making a big living, he's good at what he's doing.
So I don't think Ohio State. I think Ohio State, Oregon,
and Texas are the three teams I think can win
a national championship. So if you're buying stock, I would
buy buck Eye Stalk. Now, you know everybody wanted Ryan
(33:00):
Day fired on the Reddit board. What happens if he
wins three straight games in the playoff. But I think
this job is so big, and because Ryan Day had
never been a head coach, the guy they hire, if
they fire him, they'll go with an experienced head coach.
You tell me who's on the market. The one name
I would think of as Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly went south,
(33:21):
kind of did a hokey, faky inauthentic Southern accent, has
never really perfectly fit. And I actually think he would
come back North. He was in Notre Dame, got good
recruiting ties, and he's coached a lot of North, not
much Southern recruiting, and it's been a weird fit at LSU.
And let's be honest, if he has a bad year
next year, they'll fire him. So I mean that is
(33:41):
one maybe you keep your eye on Ryan Day for
a year and if it doesn't work, you go get
Brian Kelly. That's what I would do if you're gonna
fire Ryan Day, which I wouldn't. But you know the
criticism of him is well, kind of like Mark Rickton Georgia,
he'd never been a head coach. He's good, not great.
(34:02):
Those all may be true. Albert Breer, who went to
Ohio State. NFL Insider talked a little about Ryan Day
and the Buckeyes.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
I think every coach who's coaching Ohio State feels the pressure.
But how do you approach the pressure? Do you think
the pressure is a burden? Do you feel like you're
a victim of the pressure, or do you think the
pressure is a privilege? I love Ryan as a person
as a coach, Like I just I wonder sometimes like
do you fully embrace it? Do you fully embrace the
terms of employment?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, it's rough. I've always felt Ohio State is the
only SEC team up north. It's you know, I mean
they fired John Cooper who was winning ten eleven games
a year because he couldn't beat Michigan. And that passion
is why it's the best football program, not Michigan. It's
Ohio State is the best football program north in America.
(34:55):
The other best programs are you know, it's better than
Notre Dame, It's better than Michigan. Historically, it's the best program.
And you know the duality of those crazy fans is
they overreact massively. Ryan Day is a very good coach.
He does not appear to be at this point in
his life a great coach, although I do think you
know Brian Kelly as he was growing as a coach.
(35:15):
He was doing it not at Ohio State or Notre Dame.
So what happened is when Brian Kelly gets the job
at Notre Dame, he's a fully formed head coach. He'd
been doing this all He's made a lot of mistakes
that none of you watched. The games weren't on television
or you weren't watching them. So with Ryan Day, when
he makes young coaching mistakes, it's Ohio State on every
game except the Youngstown State games on television somewhere nationally.
(35:39):
So that's the downside to getting a young whiz, you know,
like Lincoln Riley's first head coaching job at Oklahoma. I mean,
everybody watches Oklahoma on Saturday, so if you make any mistakes,
everybody notices it. When you take the Urban nobody was
watching Urban Meyer at Bowling Green and very few people
I was one of them, were watching the Utah games.
And then he goes to Florida and you're watching and
you're like, this guy's a great coach. He made a
(36:00):
lot of mistakes the first two places he went. So
Ryan Day doesn't get that pass the mistakes he makes,
you're watching them. It's why I always say this to
parents who are like, oh, I want my kid to
get a job at Fox, and I'm like, well where
if they worked in TV? Well they haven't. Then go
to Midland Texas and make mistakes because I don't have
any interest your kid being on my show behind the
scenes and making a mistake. This is not a first job, right,
(36:21):
so like, go make mistakes, take the steps. You start
missing steps in any journey, and they will. You don't
want your first job to be a high profile job.
You'll want to make mistakes. And Ryan Day's first gig,
this is it. He wasn't even a coordinator for that
long and he got the job. I mean, I would
argue outside of Texas, I think Ohio State's the second
(36:43):
best job in the country. I wouldn't want to coach
in the SEC, it's too crazy. But I think Texas
isn't the South. It's got a little Western flair. I
think Austin Texas, the donors, the money, the brand. I
think Texas is the best job. Also, they have the
best athletic director in the country. I think there's a
real argument Ohia is in a short list of number two.
(37:03):
I would take it over at Alabama. I'd rather live
in Columbus. I would take it over a lot of jobs, LSU.
I take it over a lot of them. So it's
just when everybody wants their kids to get the job sooner.
And it's like, man, when you skip steps and you
take a big job at any company, everybody's watching, You're
much better served to be patient make mistakes when nobody watches.
(37:24):
That's what Brian Kelly did for years before Notre Dame Jmack.
There's two big games this weekend. I like Oregon to
beat a Penn State and I like Texas to beat Georgia.
What say you?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
So I think Penn State's going to keep it close.
Would not shock me if they pulled the upset. But
I bet them plus three and a half. So I
do think Oregon's a better team. Yes, yes, And what
was the other game? You have smu closed? No, no, no,
that's oh Texas Georgia. So the problem with this game
a it's a rematch, and there's the revenge angle for
Texas getting your butt kicked at home. And do you
(37:58):
remember what your lead in was that that we it
was like, this is the biggest game in Texas football history,
and like the heype machine and they got just steamrolled.
We could see this matchup a third time in the playoffs. Yeah,
and I'm very curious how both coaches attack this game.
I will go Georgia just because of the trenches and
I think they're super dangerous. But Carson Beck, he's had
so many chances on big spots this year.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Well, you know, there's a bunch of new things happening
in college football. The twelve team playoffs starts December twentieth,
the NIL and the portal, and so these things have
all converged, and there's a couple of things we have learned.
One of the things the unintended benefits of it, of
the transfer portal and the NIL, and there's been some downsides,
(38:41):
but the unintended benefit is that it's cherry picked very
good backups from Georgia and Texas and Oklahoma's and Ohio states.
So whereas the big schools can go by the best
players on the market, no question, but they lose depth
(39:02):
because the backups to those players who are often four
and five star players, they're gonna go to Wake Forest Louisville, Purdue, SMU,
some of these well heeled schools with boosters, they'll they'll
go by your backups. So what happens as the college
football season is now extended and it looks more like
an NFL schedule, players more players get hurt, and these
(39:23):
Ohio States don't have good backups, and Clemson not a
big portal team, but a lot of these good teams
like Georgia and Ohio State, they don't have like four
legit running backs and three legit left tackles. So that's
where everybody complains about nil and the portal, but it is,
it has made. It has given us. I mean, two
(39:43):
loss teams and three loss teams can now make the playoffs.
You lose in September and October, it's not punitive, right,
It's like you can do twice. Baas Bama's got three losses,
they're gonna get in blazing five coming up next
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