April 23, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin talks about the Lakers winning game 2 of their series vs the Timberwolves
He believes Giannis Antetokounmpo will end up requesting a trade after another dominant performance but the Bucks losing again in the playoffs
Colin also defends Shedeur Sanders after news came out about his character
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Very very interesting night tonight, the Warriors try.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
To make a two to zero on Houston. You know Jamcatterday.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
We talked during the show the line Vegas was telling
you who was gonna win the game last night, not
because the Lakers were favored, but it was a five
and a half point squad, which, considering they got thumped
in Game one, kind of told you what the oddsmakers
thought is that they.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Were gonna play with much more energy.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So we kept saying, you know, Lakers are the side
they're gonna win, They're gonna win comfortably. It actually was
closer at the end that it needed to be because
the Lakers really thumped them.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Well, they took their foot off the gas and the
fourth but Lakers for sure, easy, easy winner.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So the two biggest differences from Game one. Number one,
Lakers were immediately physical and made Minnesota work for everything.
And number two is the t Wolves couldn't hit their threes.
And they shoot a lot of them, and they did
all year. But when Ant, who's a great three point shooter,
is two for eight, they're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And they were.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And I thought last night is what I actually thought
the series was gonna look like, which is a limited
offensive team with Ant being the best player, and you're
kind of crossing your fingers night to night if Julius
Randall can deliver.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
He was good last night.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
But what's remarkable to me that at forty years old,
with other stars in the game like Luca and Ant,
is still the tone setter in that game last night, activity, energy, defense,
setting the tempo. It was Lebron and you could feel
his presence every time he was on the floor. And
it's interesting if you go to Lebron's career following a loss,
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he's the very best Lebron. In fact, Lebron's always been
great in the second game of a playoff series. He
tends to feel out the first game and then attack
in the second game, sort of how all of us
are with the second cup of coffee at work. You know,
that first cup of coffee, you're trying to get organized,
where not any of us are not really capable of
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completing a grown up task until we're into the second
cup of coffee. And that's how Lebron does it. He
eats like a boxer that feels out the first round,
and then he attacks in round two. And that's what
Lebron did. And that's why Lebron's comp is not Michael Jordan,
It's Brady. For Brady at forty five years old to
league the NFL and pass attempts and throw for forty
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seven hundred yards and lead the league in completion. That's
Lebron who in year twenty two, with other stars on
the floor in a crucial game for the Lakers, Lebron's
the tone center. And remember Lebron tried to pass the
baton to a d four years ago. He tried to say, hey, dude,
I'm not into points. Lead us in scoring, and although
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AD finally got in shape and AD was very consistent defensively,
you never knew what you were getting from Ad offensively.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So so often Lebron would wait.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
When he was a teammate a Ad, he would play
a very soft first quarter, want Ad to take the
baton with scoring, and AD wouldn't, and then Lebron would
have to take over and pray Austin Reeves could help
him be the two. This is where Lebron and Luca
are great, is that Lebron's not into the points thing.
He doesn't care. He wants energy in the fourth quarter.
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He conserves it when he can, Like last night, he couldn't.
He had to play with the MS energy right out
of the gate, but he was letting Luca take over
the scoring. Lebron's not one of these guys that needs
the buckets.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
He wants to win. That's what his legacy is.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So last night Luca thirty one points, Lebron twenty one.
He is totally comfortable with that.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
That's why Ad and Lebron.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
There's a lot of talk now, it could be Internet
rumors that Lebron knew the trade was coming. I don't
know if he did, but I think Lebron was okay
with the trade because Lebron is always understood who plays
off me well, Austin Reeves, he loves him. Why he
can score and shoot. He didn't like Kyle Kuzma. Why
has Milwaukee found out he still can't shoot? Lebron couldn't
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depend on Kuzma. Lebron feels like, oh, I can depend
on Austin Reeves in most series to be good, although
he's been a little clunky so far. So this to
me is what really is amazing. This is the fifty
fifth playoff series for Lebron and he remains that tone
setter with Aunt and Luca also on the floor, and
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here was Lebron in his Game two performance.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
We looked at what we didn't do so well, which
was a lot of things in Game one. We took
that to heart. We hold each other accountable, We make
the adjustments, and we had a better out on tonight,
and now we need to be even better on Friday,
you know, you know, going into Minnesota. So that's what
the playoffs is all about. But you've got to be
able to say even kill no matter what's going on.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I do like the Lakers in the series I think
it probably goes six, not five. But this is what
I thought it would look like. And it's a really
big distinction between A D and Luca Lebron. After they
won the championship, the COVID Championship, remember the next year,
Ad came out of shape to camp and I was
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told it tick Lebron off. It was like, okay, dude,
it's your team. I'm gonna be ready for the fourth
And he couldn't because you never knew what you were
getting with Ad. And then Ad got healthy, took his
body seriously, but in the end, Lebron still couldn't trust him. Offensively,
Lebron loves Luca. Luca can have eighteen point quarters twenty
three point halfs and it lets Lebron play off the ball,
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conserve some energy. This Lebron is always known who we
would play well with and who he wouldn't. He knows
the game and he knew there's two guys, three guys
in the league. I'd be great with Steph and he
flirted for a couple of years. Steph said no, thanks, yo, Kitch.
That was never gonna happen. Denver's not letting him go.
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And Luca, I believe Lebron is always known, Steph, Jokich
and Luca are the three stars in this league he
would trust and he'd be great with. And now he's
got one. Okay, so this came out. Oh boy, I
can hear all the young media fanboys freaking out over this.
Tom Pellisero, NFL Network apparently wrote an article on Shudor
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Sanders said a lot of good stuff, but there were
multiple people who did not like Shaduor Sanders' attitude. Now
this is a story now because Shadoor Sanders over the
last week to two weeks, we've heard about him dropping
in the draft. One of the quotes in the story
was the worst formal interview I've ever seen in my life.
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Horrible body language, blames teammates. Biggest thing is he says
not that good. An assistant NFL coach told Pallisero, I
didn't it didn't go great in our interview. He wants
to dictate everything what he's going to do, and he
kind of makes you feel small.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Interviews do matter a little bit for quarterbacks. Baker Mayfield
I was told was so good in his interviews. He
had so much football knowledge, he had such great energy,
great eye contact, sent to humor. People were blown away
with Baker Mayfield in the interview. He was good on
the whiteboard, funny, confident, without arrogant. So my takeaway on
this is, yeah, this is part of being in a quarterback.
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Aaron Rodgers, by the way, read Ian O'Connor's book, Why
did he drop in the draft? Aaron came across as
too cocky.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It matters.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I can just already see the fence being built to
protection or Sanders, who I like. But the scouts, they're
not just making stuff up. Coaches don't make stuff up.
Remember we were warned about Kyler Murray's attitude. Yeah, they
were right, Cam Newton's ego, Johnny Manziel's focus, if Josh
Rosen could stay healthy, Jay Cutler's arrogance, Yeah, they were
(08:36):
right on olvos. And now people say what about c J.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Stroud? Oh boy, people like c J. Stroud.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
They said his comp was Jared Goff, super accurate, doesn't
get hurt, doesn't move a ton. That's not a bad comp.
Jared Goffen to a super Bowl, Okay. And the other
thing was there's a new test out. It's called an
S two evaluation. It's just more information. It doesn't mean
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it's fool proof.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Stroud did not do well on it. Bryce Young had
an amazing through the roof score. So obviously it doesn't
just equal wins. But it's more information. It's a cognitive test,
and people think it's better than wonder Lick. It's really
good with quarterbacks. You still need a left tackle and
a good coach and a good coordinator and a good
owner and a good general manager. But it's just more information.
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So this article has a ton of nice things about
Shude or Sanders. It says a bunch of nice stuff,
but there are a couple of people that say it
comes across as cocky. And I've said this, and I said,
this is about KAYLEB Williams. Over the next two to
three years, you got to be very careful. I believe
in judging a kid's confidence as an NFL scout because
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they're all getting paid now, they're all millionaires coming into
the game, and some of those kids have had money.
Some of those kids have not had money. But last
year's class, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, and especially Caleb Williams,
he was the first quarterback ever drafted that was richer
than any of the scouts that interviewed him. I mean
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that you had a better net worth before he signed
a contract with the Bears. And so if the kids
have money now they're being empowered by NFL, there's gonna
be a little bit of confidence. And I think some
of that confidence will come across as arrogancet NFL people
because these kids now they don't come in wide eyed,
they're driving new cars, they may own a condo, their
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families more set. They're going to come in and not
grovel to you. And I think a lot of NFL
people are kind of used to quarterbacks coming in yes, sir,
nos hey, coaches, they got more money than you do.
So I do think this is something over the next
three or four years to watch it play out. I
when I hear worst interview ever, that seems a little
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dramatic to me, But I would say this to the
media as well, take a deep breath. This is just information.
Interviews matter. They were right on Johnny Manziel. I mean,
Cam Newton's a great podcaster. Why because he's more personality.
That's why in the NFL never had back to back
winning seasons, but he was memorable. Like that's what people
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said going into the Cam Newton draft, like he's a
lot of.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Personality, a little bit into Cam.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Everybody freaked out, And that's actually why Cam's kind of
a good podcaster. He's a performer. And that was what
they say. The stuff is mostly right, right. It was
right on Johnny Manziel. And by the way, the people
that love Baker Mayfield, not everybody, but the people that
loved him, they're like, he can read a defense, Teammates
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will love him.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He's got a ton of confidence.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
They've been right on Baker Mayfield, and the critics of
him myself were a little bit of ego, kind of amateure.
Maybe not as good athletically as people think, And that
was right too, So don't overreact to this. I can
see young people now coming into the sport with a
little ego, a little confidence.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
They've been paid, they made money. It's not the end
of the world.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I think Chadur's biggest issue is one that is well
documented arm mobility, size. His traits are okay, that's the issue.
The interview stuff. This feels a little hot for me,
but I can see everybody freaking out this is unfair.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
No, it's not. It's totally fair. This is the game.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
This is what happens when you're a quarterback. Andrew Luck
came out literally a perfect prospect, and people questioned as armstrength.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's like you watched him.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Do you ever think you know Andrew Luck's a noodlearm
Other than that, he's fantastic, Like everybody gets picked apart.
Take a deep breath, all right, But it is interesting
Jmac that a week ago to two weeks ago, because
these interviews were done a long time ago. Now they're
getting out because people are doing a lot of articles
and so, you know, the athletics got six articles a
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day and now stuff's coming out.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I do things.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
What is interesting though, that even the people who like
Shadoor Sanders, like there's the giants. People in the building
like him, the buildings also split. See what you're getting
with Shadour Sanders is because let's take cam Ward out.
He's going to the Titans every quarterback after that, Jackson Dart.
People are very mixed. Chadur mixed, Jalen Melroll mixed. What
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we have outside of cam Ward is B to B
minus quarterback prospects. And when you have that you get
divided opinions.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, your chore point is great. I think it's worth
a larger discussion. So, Colin, you and I have run businesses. Kay,
you've interviewed a lot of people. Yeah, some kid comes
in thinking he's a hot shot. Hey, I'll worry. What's
up man acting all cool and too cool for school?
I've made my money, I've got my social media following.
If he acts like that, are you more likely to
hire him? Or be like, Oh, if this is what
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he's like in the interview, what's this guy gonna be
like to deal with? I know you want to give
pause that there. Some of these coaches are older and
then what yes, sir, No, sir, if Schdor's walking in
there like his stuff, don't stink. I don't know that
I want that in my building as a young leader
of a football I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I remember when my daughter was interviewing for jobs and
I talked to her about this. I said, I'm just
going to tell you what Dad thinks. You can take
this information for whatever you want. But I own a
business and I have a staff. I have a radio,
TV staff, I've got a volume staff. I said, don't
ask about vacation, right, don't ask. When I hear that,
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I'm like, oh, I said, I don't care if you
think that's what all the young hipsters ask about his
work life balance. Nobody wants to hear about work life balance.
That's the only advice I'm gonna give you. You're gonna
work and work hard. When do I start? I said,
I'm just telling you for dad in my generation and
my generation owns a lot of those businesses were turned
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off by that, Like because we worked our butto We're
not gonna work you to the bone. We're not asking
for seventy hours a week. But if you ask about
vacation and that's a real priority, you know what, go
be an influencer on IG.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
By the way, Patrick Mahoones' dad was a professional baseball player.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
You think he walked.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Into interviews with NFL teams acting like he was the man.
I'm not bashing Shadoor here. I personally would take him
at two or three.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
So it almost feels like there's an old coach somewhere
around the league who sat in on an interview and
heard and saw this and was like, yes, I want
this guy in if he's acting like this, in an interview.
What's he going to be like in the locker room?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, and again it's I think both are true. I
think young quarterbacks now and young college football players come
in with money, so they're not groveling. I think that's true.
That's not a bad thing, but it's true. I also
think it depends on the coach. I think as Sean
McVay would handle it better. But there are a lot
of coaches in this sport, old defensive coaches. They want
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a you know, a kind of a meal to me
quite kiss the ring, right, but no social respect.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I mean, now, Brian Dable, he can't roll into the
meeting and be like, here's all my Super Bowl rings.
He can't do that, whereas a Belichick could back in
the day, Mike Tomlin could do that, here's my super
Bowl ring son, how are you?
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Yeah, but I'm very curious about that.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
By the way, you and I have both interviewed for jobs.
I have had good interviews. I think I interviewed pretty well.
But I had interviews before where I walk out and
I'm like that was weird. Yeah, he was like the
interviewer is aggressive or they're not. They're not really looking
for what I provide. So listen interviews. These interviews are
not four hours long. Sometimes they're ten minutes. Not all
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interviews go well. I mean, I've done a million podcasts
with people. Sometimes a podcast is over and I'm like,
that wasn't a very good podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It just never got going.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Some of the advice you would give your kid, hey,
play it safe.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
You know, don't say anything risky, and feel out the
interview the way Mike Tyson would feel out of Fight
or Lebron feels out a.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Series he's in. Don't come in all cocky.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
And I just wonder if Shadur has turned off enough
that he plummets here in the I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I still contend. I still contend Cam Newton turns some
people off, but Cam was so damn talented.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
Who cares if chadors not in his class?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Well, that's what I'm saying. Caleb Williams turns some people off.
Calum's too talented. The biggest issue with Shadur is arm okay, mobility,
average size.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Eh, that's the issue is.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That if if people like I keep hearing about you
know this kid that went transferred to UCLA Niko, Everybody's
oh bad, bad, bad kid. If he lights it up
at UCLA or had he lit it up at Tennessee,
he's going in the first round.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Got them to the playoff?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yes, yeah, come on in the end, the greater the talent.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Just to be clear, I would take shador at three
if I were the I know people don't love him,
I would. I haven't interviewed him or anything, but I
would look hard at Like if you don'tet a quarterback
and you're the Giants, hello five and twelve, Like, that's
where you're heading.
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Speaker 3 (18:27):
All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
So you know, for a couple years, thank god, I
don't read social media, but for a couple of years.
Here's all I've heard every time we talk about the
Milwaukee Bucks. I've come on this show and said, yeah,
they're too old, it's not gonna work. Time to blow
it up. They don't have any draft picks. They gave
up too many for Dame. It's not gonna work. And
Milwaukee Fantasy like you guys cherry pick, you don't watch
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the games, you don't know. No, Actually, we've been right.
They're gonna lose to the Pacers. I predicted a week ago.
I said Pacers got better players. Pacers have an undervalued roster.
Pacers have three really good players in their prime. Milwaukee
Jannis is a twenty five million dollars chandelier in a
rundown house and so and he's putting up huge numbers
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in this series. He's a monster. He didn't have good
enough players around him. He's had one and I'm not
blaming him.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
He's great.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
He's probably slightly out of his prime, or maybe he's
in his prime, but he's great. But it doesn't matter.
They don't have draft picks. The Kyle Kuzma move of
the deadline was a nothing burger. Dame is a weakness
defensively and passed his prime So Milwaukee's had one great
playoff run and they won a title. Every other year
has been a disappointment since then, and they're gonna get
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They're gonna get knocked out of the series. They'll win
Game three, but they're gonna get knocked out of this series.
In fact, in Jannis's last seven playoff games, he's had
huge numbers. The Bucks are zero for seven. So again
the national media skepticism was right on point. He's doing
thirty five and fifteen in this series and they're down
zero two and they're clearly the inferior team. And we
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were saying on this show three years ago, you don't
have to sit and watch every NBA game. They're just
not athletic enough. They're not young enough. Boston still got
some youth, Cleveland has youth, Oklahoma City's got youth. There's
a lot the West has tons of young athletic teams.
Milwaukee's too old. So listen, this town's This city lost
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Louel Cinder Farvan, Aaron Rodgers and somehow survived. To me,
you could guarantee your viability as a franchise by trading
Giannis in the offseason and getting five first round picks
and four players. I mean, look what Rudy Gobert Gott
you can get a ton and it'll guarantee for the
next ten years, you're a viable franchise. You are not
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winning a trophy with Giannis. You don't have the draft capital.
Dame's getting older by the second. Kyle Kuzma's not it.
You're not winning a trophy. So what are your standards?
I mean, green Bay, the Packers man their faults, but
they're trying to win super Bowls. They're making moves to
win Super Bowls. Milwaukee, you want to be a playoff
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team because Boston and Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
And are significantly better.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Like it's not close athletically, defensively, and so it's one
of these things when people say you can't trade Luca.
You could trade Luca. You can't do it for one
first round pick. If you had to trade Luca to
the Lakers for a D Austin Reeves and three first
round picks, okay, you got to sleep on that. Jannis,
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he may not be able to get a free throw.
I'd want four first round picks. I'd want an all
star level player and then two or three other players
because I wouldn't have to pay him anymore. Right, I
could get some expiring contracts, but this thing's not working.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I know the media cherry picks.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
No. Sometimes the national guys because they're not as emotionally
embedded in the franchise, can see the truth. You are
watching the truth in this series.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
J Mack with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
As you said at the outset, NFL Draft on the horizon,
less than what thirty six hours to go and Cowboys
owner Jerry Jones met with the media yesterday, said Dallas
is working on pretty substantive trades regarding players ahead of
the draft. When asked, he said they were taking calls
with teams, but wouldn't offer specifics. In other news, Colin
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Micah Parsons has shown up to voluntary offseason workouts while
seeking a contract extension. So interesting Terry Jones talking about trades.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Michael Parsons, who could have easily just sat this outset.
I don't have a contract. I'm not showing.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Dallas, Dallas to me.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
If you want to catch up to Philadelphia in your
own division, forget the AFC, forget the other teams. Dallas
does not have a top ten roster, not a top
ten row.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
They're not a top ten team in the NFC color
but that you could go through it.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's just not good.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So to me, I don't even think it's debatable. I've
said before I would move off Micah. I would trade
down in the draft. They need twelve draft picks and
hit on about eight of them and all of a sudden.
In the NFL, that's what's great about it. It's not
baseball where you have to wait for a guy in
the miners. If you go hit on seven or eight
draft picks that give me six starters, and all of
a sudden, you look up and you're like, Okay, Now
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Dak's contract doesn't matter as much because we got six
guys from the second round.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
On that can play, and they have drafted well over
the last few years.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
That being said, who's trading for Micah Parsons, giving up
picks and then paying the guy top dollar for his position?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I think Mike could happened market.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
A robust market.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Not real.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I mean, honestly, don't give me a tea.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Even if you've got a rookie Minnesota, if JJ McCarthy
plays and you're not paying him for four years.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
The Vikings have a billion picks. They got a lot
of picks in this draft, or maybe they have the
few with well, not a.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Great edge rusher draft.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Okay, so Minnesota says, I'll take Micah, give you four
picks or three picks. Yeah, we can pay them. We're
not paying a quarterback. Sam Darnold's gone. We're not paying
anybody Minnesota. Micah Parsons.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Absolutely, it's a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
If you have a rookie quarterback, because Dave Daniels, you've
got four years of a runway.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Interesting Michael.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
By the way, Michael Pennock's Atlanta. They went and got
the kid from New England last year, but they don't
sack the quarterback and it's not a great edge rusher draft.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I'd say you give us Michah Parsons in our division
and we'll give you our first round pick this year
in our second next year. By the way, Atlanta's got
Michael Pennix, go for it. I mean Atlanta to me
in Minnesota, if you want to catch Philadelphia, I mean, hell,
Philadelphia is rumored they want to trade aj Brown to
go up and get Carter from Penn State because they want.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
More pass Rocky.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I like the idea of trading Michael. I just I
don't know the the markets that big. Just because he's
gonna want to be the most highest paid defensive end
in the league, I just I like him. But man,
this cowboy story, all right, next up, Colin, I love
this story. So Tybree's Halliburton, the great point guard of
the Pacers, dropped twenty one and twelve last night in
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a great Pacers win. I'm just telling you now, the
Pacers are gonna be a problem in the next round
for Cleveland. However, Halliburton was voted the most overrated player
in the league in an anonymous player poll by The Athletic.
His coach Rick Carlisle shared his thoughts on the voting
last night after the game.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
And the other guys on the list were Jimmy Butler
and Giannis.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And I want to.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
See I want to see the guys faces that voted
those guys. I want to see the faces of those guys.
All right, this is a pole. Not everybody even answered
in the poll. The whole thing's okay, and it's just
it's really it's really a shameful thing.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
First of all, coaches have to defend their players, so
it's not a shameful thing. I looked at the entire poll.
Ninety percent of it I agreed with. I didn't agree
with this one. The reason he ends up Jannis gets
this because he can't hit a free throw leg. That's well,
I'm just saying, it's a shooters league and Jianness can't shoot.
So he you did argue. I mean, he's highly productive.
Halliburton didn't have a lot of swag.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
He does that, and that's the good is discussion.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Who half the league five years ago, like westbrookover Curry
because Curry's got pharmacy shoes as a shoe line. So no,
I mean a lot of the the NBA is an
aesthetic league.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
It's cool league. It's a culture clure.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yes, So so Halliburton has no interest plan that game
and a lot of the NBA guys, dude, it's about
it's about what you know.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Are you cool? He got he got an attitude. That's
fine with me.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
But Halliburton, like a steph Curry is not really into that,
and so you get punished by NBA players.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
It's not a shameful pole. It's just a poll. And
and for the.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Record, I agreed with the players on all but two categories.
I thought they were right. This one I didn't agree with,
and there was another one. I forget what it was.
That was another one. Somebody was overrated, I think, and
I just didn't agree with it. But let's slow down
on the it's outrageous or shameful. It's anonymous. Polls are
part of society. You have them in tech, politics, sports,
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you have anonymous polls. Half the sources in American media
are anonymous because people don't want their name in it.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
But they'll tell you the truth, all right.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I mean, listen, Haliburton was on the US Olympic team.
He's a good player, he's awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
He's a franchise but he's and he's a great guy.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Top five point guard in the league.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Yes, Oh, but this whole like he's not cool, he
doesn't live above the rib. He's on dunking on people.
And like Anthony Edwards is cool, he's getting fine for
yelling inappropriate stuff I can't say on this show to fans. Okay,
like that's cool. I think that Jamarant is cool. You
know how dumb that is? I would take Caliburton over
Jamorant in a heartbeat.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, suh, Yes, it's like this discussion.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
But we also have to realize that the NBA has
always been like this. Doctor j was a great player,
but he was also cool. Yeah, like it mattered. So
I think Michael Jordan was a great player, but Michael
the dress, the look, the earrings. It's okay for one
of our really popular leagues to have cultural significance. In
the NBA, since I've been a kid, the NBA has
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always been the league. Like like when I was a
kid growing up, the first star was Spencer Haywood, and
he pushed back against the league, and Spencer was kind
of viewed as cool. He was a tough guy, was cool,
and so that's okay. Like I some of my favorite players.
I thought Bernard King was cool and Gus Williams was cool.
They weren't great players, but I love their game, I
love their style, and that's okay. But let's just call
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it what it is. Halliburton's not considered cool. He's a
tremendous player.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
So Andrew Luck was like a member of a book
club and Flip Phone.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
In the NFL is social. It doesn't matter in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
That's interesting in NFL, who cares?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Who's cool because you're winning football game? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Cool in the NFL is winning.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yes, you know what else is cool? Terrey's Haliburton winning
with the facers man. Anyways, final story, Collin is back
to the NFL. The Titans came out yesterday and told
the media they're not going to trade the number one pick.
Tennessee is closed for business at one, and Diana Russini
is reporting the Giants for the most aggressive team.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Trying to get the number one overall pick. Obviously, they
need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
They want a quarterback. They just don't like Shadour.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
By the way, how's Kim Ward interviewing? Oh, I haven't
heard anything about that, have you nothing?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Because he's going to one team.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
He's going one and he's only in I think he's
only talked to a few teams.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
But so the.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Giants are going to get a quarterback in this draft.
The question is it Shaduur, is it Jackson Dart one
of these other guys. The New York Giants are the
most interesting team in the draft to me because they're
at three and they feel I.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Feel the draft starts with number three, and again, some
of this Shader Sanders stuff coming out is just because
he doesn't have dominant trades. Like, nobody's talking about cam
Wort's personality, why super mobile, big arm, nobody cares like
like like a lot of this is just people will
(30:08):
deal with stop the greater your talent is. But when
it's marginal, then they really start.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
To pick on you.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You pick you yet Jmack with the News, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
The news, and thanks for stopping that. That's the herd
line news.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
By the way, I'm looking at this NBA poll, Who's
the MVP fifty one fifty six percent, SGA thirty seven percent. Jokic.
I agree with that. What team other than your own
will win the title this season? Boston number one, Oklahoma
City two. I mean, if you start looking at this
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most underrated, most underrated players, Kate Cunningham, I agree with that,
best organization Warriors. Yeah, it's hard to hard argue worst Hornets.
So this stuff, you know, again, it's not shameful. It's
just players.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Need you know. I think it's funny when you talk
overrated or underrated.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Yeah, let me give you an underrated. It's an overrated.
I like this guy's game.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Zion Williamson can't stay healthy, doesn't win a damn thing
in New Orleans, got all the money, but he's cool
because he dumps.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
On people and dates porn stars.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Here's why he's not overrated.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
He's appropriately rated because everybody in the league is like,
too bad. He can't stay in shape and stay healthy.
Nobody sees him as a top five player. I think
Zion is appropriately rated. I think Kawhi Leonard similarly. Everybody
with Kawi says the same thing. Bro is great, just
never available.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Okay, can I give you another one? And I like
this guy too, Tray Young Atlanta Hawks.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Again, I would say appropriately rated. I've always liked him
more than the critics, but he is why wild. There's
arguments he's not a winning.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Player, definitely doesn't defend.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Well, yeah that was half the league. But I don't
think Trey's overrated.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I think Trey Young, who I've met and I like,
is appropriately rated.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
We know what is I'll tell you so overrated.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Like if you said Giannis is overrated, that I can
argue because I can know, because I can say this
what matters in all these playoff games. The last four minutes,
Jannis can't hit a free throw, so that there is
people used to think by the way, I remember when
the Lakers moved off Shack, and everybody's like crazy, But
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I had a source inside the Lakers that said, Shaq
doesn't want to practice. Shack bad feet falling apart, Shack
is distracted, and we have to make a choice, and
Kobe his life is basketball, and so people freaked out.
But in the end, it doesn't mean the Lakers didn't
love Shack, but they had to make a choice, and
so they went with a more the healthier, more obsessed,
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committed player. It doesn't mean you don't like Yannis, but
it is concerning that you don't trust him at the
line late and these close playoff games are decided on
free I mean the Lakers last night went twenty for
twenty at the free throw line. If they go twelve
for twenty, that's a four point game, even though they dominated.
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So Underrated doesn't mean you're bad. Underrated means you're considered
a star, and maybe you're not quite living up to
elements of that. So I mean Rick Carlysle is taking
overrated as you stink. It's no, no, no, he's viewed
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as an All Star and he you know, he's living
kid Like last year he had a bad stretch.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Now, what if I said Joel Embid overrated.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Now that one I'll take to the bank.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah. I was told for years just wait until next year.
I'm overweight. Yeah, that that's one that I am.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Just over He was the MVP I think two years
ago now.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
And again he's talented.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
But I watched him at the Olympics and it validated
every concern I had, which is within a team structure,
is he a winning player?
Speaker 6 (34:17):
Let me give you another one. Overrated. I'm gonna take
some heat for this. Kyrie Irving. Tell me what he's
won without Lebron and you'll look out.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Job with you. What do you want?
Speaker 6 (34:28):
What has he done without Lebron James?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I think Kyrie is appropriately rated the best closer under
six to four in league history, the most skillful small
player arguably ever.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Got hit one shot against the Warriors to win the
five One.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Damn shot he is, and he's more clutch than Zeph
Curry under six y four.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
He was in the finals last season.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, as the.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Wingman to Luca ok oh boy Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Now, Kyrie is a sensational talent who fairly he is
a smaller player who's been hurt a lot, and everybody
by the way, I was out on Kyrie in Brooklyn
with all the COVID.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, but you have to be fair in our business.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yes, he has been very good and not distracted in
Dallas as a clear number two.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Though, well, let's see what happens next year. Maybe him
in a ad will battle.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
For the Normals'll say this, he always comes to camp
in shape.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
He does well now he does. Yeah, we don't want
to talk about the book.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I've switched. Didn't like Harden, did like Harden, not back down.
I'm not sure with Harden, Kyrie, I'm out Kyrie wins.
With Lebron, I'm in that he went weird out Now
I'm kind of Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I hate how I'm floating the overrated guys. I'm gonna
look like the hater and you're not. You're sitting back.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Most people in society are appropriately rated. I think if
you if there's one guy in the league that I
thought got way too much love, it was Embeid. It's like,
I'm not sure he's good in the team structure. He's
hurt all the time, and frankly, they keep running players
around him and none of them fit.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Okay, LaMelo ball will wrap up a LaMelo ball.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
He's every I think everybody looks at him.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It's really fun to watch little on the flashy side.
Certainly an NBA player, he's a fun NBA player to
go pay for a ticket and watch. He's an NBA
player and kind of a borderline.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Star, owns a bunch of really cool cars.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I'm not wrong with that.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
People love him and as an NBA player, well again.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
But nobody's like, you know what, that's the phase of
the league. People are like, he's fun, he's flashy, he's good,
can be a little sloppy as a player.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
But but dude can play. He can get buckets, he
can play.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, I'm like fist, I'm like mister optimist and you're
you're over there throwing Jahn Morant grenades.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
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Speaker 1 (37:46):
One of the best parts of the show, and we're
not on the are okay. Diana Russini, professional journalist, says
the Steelers, Browns, and possibly the Vikings could be involved
in Kirk Cousins trade discussions. The Vikings, you mean the
(38:06):
Sam Darnold Vikings, the Daniel Jones Vikings, the Aaron Rodger
rumor Vikings, Kirk Cousins again, So listen with quarterbacks. I
gotta see it to believe it. You can tell me
a house is beautiful, I'd like to step inside. I
gotta see it for myself. And here's the thing with
JJ McCarthy. I watched Michigan. I watched the last two
(38:26):
years under Harborn JJ McCarthy. I s out great o' line,
a great running back, a great defense, a great pass rush,
great culture.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I didn't see great quarterback play. They didn't ask him
to do anything.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Five of his last seven games at Michigan, he didn't
throw a single touchdown pass. His best college game last
year he had one where he passed over three hundred
yards perdue and when he played like I went and
looked this morning, the Big Ten Championship game against Ohio State.
In the Natty, He's thrown for about one hundred and
forty yards in the biggest games. They asked him to
(38:58):
do less. And it's nothing against him, but I got,
you know, it's like I'm watching Minnesota Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold.
They considered extending Sam Donald. There's the rumors with Aaron
Rodgers now Kirk Cousins. He's also had two surgeries to
clean up the knee. I got to see him to
believe it. I never bought into the hype. And one
(39:18):
of the things I thought was interesting there was maybe
it's because he played at Michigan.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Maybe he's got a good agent. But there was a
lot of hype a year ago in the draft. A
year ago today, all you were hearing is pooh, people
are gonna move up for JJ McCarthy. They'll give up
number one pick. Nobody did. The Vikings gave up like
a four and a five. There were two teams and
(39:45):
I had this very well sourced that wanted to move
up for Michael Pennix. So be very careful pre draft.
What you hear Michael Pennix.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Two teams try to draft Michael Pennix and I couldn't
get him. Atlanta did so in Atlanta had Kirk Cousins.
They still drafted Michael Pennix. So it's not like there
was this mad rush to get JJ McCarthy. And I'm
not saying it's not gonna work. It's like Jackson Dark.
I watched Jackson Dart. I never said, wow, franchise quarterback NFL.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
He's talented.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
When I watched Michigan play, it was a lot of
handing the ball off. I mean when they played penn State,
the coaching staff made a decision. We're not going to
throw the ball in the second half, like at all.
That's what I saw. And you can try to sell
me on bigfoot. I need video, Okay, So I got
sea stuff. There's certain things I got sea stuff, and
sometimes it's just your resume, other times it's video.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
So now now, is he liked? Is he in the
weight room? Yes?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yes, Aaron Jones' teammate just saw him a couple of
days ago. I'm not downting. He's working out. Here's Aaron Jones.
Speaker 9 (40:50):
He looks he looks great. I've seen him today moving around.
He looks good in the weight room, looks good. Confident.
I'm very confident in him. All the support around him,
and we're here to lift him up and he's gonna
be ready to go.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
For the record, I think that second surgery makes everybody,
even in the building and out of it, it's like
he's gonna be ready to go.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
I did think.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I watched the preseason with JJ McCarthy and what what
I watched was he was a little bit more athletic.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
It reminded me of bo Nix.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
He was a little bit more athletic at the NFL
level than I thought he would be. He moved around
bow Nicks JJ McCarthy. They got out and moved. They're quick. Uh,
and he's a confident kid. So I mean, I'm it's
just Kirk Cousins Vikings. What do you want me to think?
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Right?
Speaker 9 (41:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
They this is what I'm seeing. This is what I'm seeing.
By the way, somebody I use at least once a
year before the draft. I think his draft previews are exceptional. Lancerline,
who's dad coach in the league. He's works for NFL
dot Com.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
He does.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
He's really good on this stuff, very very buttoned up,
and uh, you know it's I don't think because there's
not a lot of star power at the top of
the draft. I have found my sources have been very
honest about the draft. They like a lot of players,
they don't love a lot. I'm telling you the Ohio
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state wide receiver. I don't think he's getting out of
the first round. I make a uh Abuka Abuka. I
do not believe he's getting out of the first round. Cowboys, Denver,
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Very very interesting night tonight, the Warriors try.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
To make a two to zero on Houston. You know Jamcatterday.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
We talked during the show the line Vegas was telling
you who was gonna win the game last night, not
because the Lakers were favored, but it was a five
and a half point squad, which, considering they got thumped
in Game one, kind of told you what the oddsmakers
thought is that they.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Were gonna play with much more energy.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So we kept saying, you know, Lakers are the side
they're gonna win, They're gonna win comfortably. It actually was
closer at the end that it needed to be because
the Lakers really thumped them.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Well, they took their foot off the gas and the
fourth but Lakers for sure, easy, easy winner.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So the two biggest differences from Game one. Number one,
Lakers were immediately physical and made Minnesota work for everything.
And number two is the t Wolves couldn't hit their threes.
And they shoot a lot of them, and they did
all year. But when Ant, who's a great three point shooter,
is two for eight, they're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And they were.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And I thought last night is what I actually thought
the series was gonna look like, which is a limited
offensive team with Ant being the best player, and you're
kind of crossing your fingers night to night if Julius
Randall can deliver.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
He was good last night.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
But what's remarkable to me that at forty years old,
with other stars in the game like Luca and Ant,
is still the tone setter in that game last night, activity, energy, defense,
setting the tempo. It was Lebron and you could feel
his presence every time he was on the floor. And
it's interesting if you go to Lebron's career following a loss,
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he's the very best Lebron. In fact, Lebron's always been
great in the second game of a playoff series. He
tends to feel out the first game and then attack
in the second game, sort of how all of us
are with the second cup of coffee at work. You know,
that first cup of coffee, you're trying to get organized,
where not any of us are not really capable of
(02:37):
completing a grown up task until we're into the second
cup of coffee. And that's how Lebron does it. He
eats like a boxer that feels out the first round,
and then he attacks in round two. And that's what
Lebron did. And that's why Lebron's comp is not Michael Jordan,
It's Brady. For Brady at forty five years old to
league the NFL and pass attempts and throw for forty
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seven hundred yards and lead the league in completion. That's
Lebron who in year twenty two, with other stars on
the floor in a crucial game for the Lakers, Lebron's
the tone center. And remember Lebron tried to pass the
baton to a d four years ago. He tried to say, hey, dude,
I'm not into points. Lead us in scoring, and although
(03:21):
AD finally got in shape and AD was very consistent defensively,
you never knew what you were getting from Ad offensively.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So so often Lebron would wait.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
When he was a teammate a Ad, he would play
a very soft first quarter, want Ad to take the
baton with scoring, and AD wouldn't, and then Lebron would
have to take over and pray Austin Reeves could help
him be the two. This is where Lebron and Luca
are great, is that Lebron's not into the points thing.
He doesn't care. He wants energy in the fourth quarter.
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He conserves it when he can, Like last night, he couldn't.
He had to play with the MS energy right out
of the gate, but he was letting Luca take over
the scoring. Lebron's not one of these guys that needs
the buckets.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
He wants to win. That's what his legacy is.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So last night Luca thirty one points, Lebron twenty one.
He is totally comfortable with that.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
That's why Ad and Lebron.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
There's a lot of talk now, it could be Internet
rumors that Lebron knew the trade was coming. I don't
know if he did, but I think Lebron was okay
with the trade because Lebron is always understood who plays
off me well, Austin Reeves, he loves him. Why he
can score and shoot. He didn't like Kyle Kuzma. Why
has Milwaukee found out he still can't shoot? Lebron couldn't
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depend on Kuzma. Lebron feels like, oh, I can depend
on Austin Reeves in most series to be good, although
he's been a little clunky so far. So this to
me is what really is amazing. This is the fifty
fifth playoff series for Lebron and he remains that tone
setter with Aunt and Luca also on the floor, and
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here was Lebron in his Game two performance.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
We looked at what we didn't do so well, which
was a lot of things in Game one. We took
that to heart. We hold each other accountable, We make
the adjustments, and we had a better out on tonight,
and now we need to be even better on Friday,
you know, you know, going into Minnesota. So that's what
the playoffs is all about. But you've got to be
able to say even kill no matter what's going on.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I do like the Lakers in the series I think
it probably goes six, not five. But this is what
I thought it would look like. And it's a really
big distinction between A D and Luca Lebron. After they
won the championship, the COVID Championship, remember the next year,
Ad came out of shape to camp and I was
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told it tick Lebron off. It was like, okay, dude,
it's your team. I'm gonna be ready for the fourth
And he couldn't because you never knew what you were
getting with Ad. And then Ad got healthy, took his
body seriously, but in the end, Lebron still couldn't trust him. Offensively,
Lebron loves Luca. Luca can have eighteen point quarters twenty
three point halfs and it lets Lebron play off the ball,
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conserve some energy. This Lebron is always known who we
would play well with and who he wouldn't. He knows
the game and he knew there's two guys, three guys
in the league. I'd be great with Steph and he
flirted for a couple of years. Steph said no, thanks, yo, Kitch.
That was never gonna happen. Denver's not letting him go.
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And Luca, I believe Lebron is always known, Steph, Jokich
and Luca are the three stars in this league he
would trust and he'd be great with. And now he's
got one. Okay, so this came out. Oh boy, I
can hear all the young media fanboys freaking out over this.
Tom Pellisero, NFL Network apparently wrote an article on Shudor
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Sanders said a lot of good stuff, but there were
multiple people who did not like Shaduor Sanders' attitude. Now
this is a story now because Shadoor Sanders over the
last week to two weeks, we've heard about him dropping
in the draft. One of the quotes in the story
was the worst formal interview I've ever seen in my life.
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Horrible body language, blames teammates. Biggest thing is he says
not that good. An assistant NFL coach told Pallisero, I
didn't it didn't go great in our interview. He wants
to dictate everything what he's going to do, and he
kind of makes you feel small.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Interviews do matter a little bit for quarterbacks. Baker Mayfield
I was told was so good in his interviews. He
had so much football knowledge, he had such great energy,
great eye contact, sent to humor. People were blown away
with Baker Mayfield in the interview. He was good on
the whiteboard, funny, confident, without arrogant. So my takeaway on
this is, yeah, this is part of being in a quarterback.
(07:58):
Aaron Rodgers, by the way, read Ian O'Connor's book, Why
did he drop in the draft? Aaron came across as
too cocky.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It matters.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I can just already see the fence being built to
protection or Sanders, who I like. But the scouts, they're
not just making stuff up. Coaches don't make stuff up.
Remember we were warned about Kyler Murray's attitude. Yeah, they
were right, Cam Newton's ego, Johnny Manziel's focus, if Josh
Rosen could stay healthy, Jay Cutler's arrogance, Yeah, they were
(08:36):
right on olvos. And now people say what about c J.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Stroud? Oh boy, people like c J. Stroud.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
They said his comp was Jared Goff, super accurate, doesn't
get hurt, doesn't move a ton. That's not a bad comp.
Jared Goffen to a super Bowl, Okay. And the other
thing was there's a new test out. It's called an
S two evaluation. It's just more information. It doesn't mean
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it's fool proof.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
CJ.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Stroud did not do well on it. Bryce Young had
an amazing through the roof score. So obviously it doesn't
just equal wins. But it's more information. It's a cognitive test,
and people think it's better than wonder Lick. It's really
good with quarterbacks. You still need a left tackle and
a good coach and a good coordinator and a good
owner and a good general manager. But it's just more information.
(09:28):
So this article has a ton of nice things about
Shude or Sanders. It says a bunch of nice stuff,
but there are a couple of people that say it
comes across as cocky. And I've said this, and I said,
this is about KAYLEB Williams. Over the next two to
three years, you got to be very careful. I believe
in judging a kid's confidence as an NFL scout because
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they're all getting paid now, they're all millionaires coming into
the game, and some of those kids have had money.
Some of those kids have not had money. But last
year's class, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, and especially Caleb Williams,
he was the first quarterback ever drafted that was richer
than any of the scouts that interviewed him. I mean
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that you had a better net worth before he signed
a contract with the Bears. And so if the kids
have money now they're being empowered by NFL, there's gonna
be a little bit of confidence. And I think some
of that confidence will come across as arrogancet NFL people
because these kids now they don't come in wide eyed,
they're driving new cars, they may own a condo, their
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families more set. They're going to come in and not
grovel to you. And I think a lot of NFL
people are kind of used to quarterbacks coming in yes, sir,
nos hey, coaches, they got more money than you do.
So I do think this is something over the next
three or four years to watch it play out. I
when I hear worst interview ever, that seems a little
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dramatic to me, But I would say this to the
media as well, take a deep breath. This is just information.
Interviews matter. They were right on Johnny Manziel. I mean,
Cam Newton's a great podcaster. Why because he's more personality.
That's why in the NFL never had back to back
winning seasons, but he was memorable. Like that's what people
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said going into the Cam Newton draft, like he's a
lot of.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Personality, a little bit into Cam.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Everybody freaked out, And that's actually why Cam's kind of
a good podcaster. He's a performer. And that was what
they say. The stuff is mostly right, right. It was
right on Johnny Manziel. And by the way, the people
that love Baker Mayfield, not everybody, but the people that
loved him, they're like, he can read a defense, Teammates
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will love him.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He's got a ton of confidence.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
They've been right on Baker Mayfield, and the critics of
him myself were a little bit of ego, kind of amateure.
Maybe not as good athletically as people think, And that
was right too, So don't overreact to this. I can
see young people now coming into the sport with a
little ego, a little confidence.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
They've been paid, they made money. It's not the end
of the world.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I think Chadur's biggest issue is one that is well
documented arm mobility, size. His traits are okay, that's the issue.
The interview stuff. This feels a little hot for me,
but I can see everybody freaking out this is unfair.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
No, it's not. It's totally fair. This is the game.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
This is what happens when you're a quarterback. Andrew Luck
came out literally a perfect prospect, and people questioned as armstrength.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's like you watched him.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Do you ever think you know Andrew Luck's a noodlearm
Other than that, he's fantastic, Like everybody gets picked apart.
Take a deep breath, all right, But it is interesting
Jmac that a week ago to two weeks ago, because
these interviews were done a long time ago. Now they're
getting out because people are doing a lot of articles
and so, you know, the athletics got six articles a
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day and now stuff's coming out.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I do things.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
What is interesting though, that even the people who like
Shadoor Sanders, like there's the giants. People in the building
like him, the buildings also split. See what you're getting
with Shadour Sanders is because let's take cam Ward out.
He's going to the Titans every quarterback after that, Jackson Dart.
People are very mixed. Chadur mixed, Jalen Melroll mixed. What
(13:27):
we have outside of cam Ward is B to B
minus quarterback prospects. And when you have that you get
divided opinions.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, your chore point is great. I think it's worth
a larger discussion. So, Colin, you and I have run businesses. Kay,
you've interviewed a lot of people. Yeah, some kid comes
in thinking he's a hot shot. Hey, I'll worry. What's
up man acting all cool and too cool for school?
I've made my money, I've got my social media following.
If he acts like that, are you more likely to
hire him? Or be like, Oh, if this is what
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he's like in the interview, what's this guy gonna be
like to deal with? I know you want to give
pause that there. Some of these coaches are older and
then what yes, sir, No, sir, if Schdor's walking in
there like his stuff, don't stink. I don't know that
I want that in my building as a young leader
of a football I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I remember when my daughter was interviewing for jobs and
I talked to her about this. I said, I'm just
going to tell you what Dad thinks. You can take
this information for whatever you want. But I own a
business and I have a staff. I have a radio,
TV staff, I've got a volume staff. I said, don't
ask about vacation, right, don't ask. When I hear that,
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I'm like, oh, I said, I don't care if you
think that's what all the young hipsters ask about his
work life balance. Nobody wants to hear about work life balance.
That's the only advice I'm gonna give you. You're gonna
work and work hard. When do I start? I said,
I'm just telling you for dad in my generation and
my generation owns a lot of those businesses were turned
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off by that, Like because we worked our butto We're
not gonna work you to the bone. We're not asking
for seventy hours a week. But if you ask about
vacation and that's a real priority, you know what, go
be an influencer on IG.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
By the way, Patrick Mahoones' dad was a professional baseball player.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
You think he walked.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Into interviews with NFL teams acting like he was the man.
I'm not bashing Shadoor here. I personally would take him
at two or three.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
So it almost feels like there's an old coach somewhere
around the league who sat in on an interview and
heard and saw this and was like, yes, I want
this guy in if he's acting like this, in an interview.
What's he going to be like in the locker room?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, and again it's I think both are true. I
think young quarterbacks now and young college football players come
in with money, so they're not groveling. I think that's true.
That's not a bad thing, but it's true. I also
think it depends on the coach. I think as Sean
McVay would handle it better. But there are a lot
of coaches in this sport, old defensive coaches. They want
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a you know, a kind of a meal to me
quite kiss the ring, right, but no social respect.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I mean, now, Brian Dable, he can't roll into the
meeting and be like, here's all my Super Bowl rings.
He can't do that, whereas a Belichick could back in
the day, Mike Tomlin could do that, here's my super
Bowl ring son, how are you?
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Yeah, but I'm very curious about that.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
By the way, you and I have both interviewed for jobs.
I have had good interviews. I think I interviewed pretty well.
But I had interviews before where I walk out and
I'm like that was weird. Yeah, he was like the
interviewer is aggressive or they're not. They're not really looking
for what I provide. So listen interviews. These interviews are
not four hours long. Sometimes they're ten minutes. Not all
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interviews go well. I mean, I've done a million podcasts
with people. Sometimes a podcast is over and I'm like,
that wasn't a very good podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
It just never got going.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Some of the advice you would give your kid, hey,
play it safe.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
You know, don't say anything risky, and feel out the
interview the way Mike Tyson would feel out of Fight
or Lebron feels out a.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Series he's in. Don't come in all cocky.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
And I just wonder if Shadur has turned off enough
that he plummets here in the I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I still contend. I still contend Cam Newton turns some
people off, but Cam was so damn talented.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
Who cares if chadors not in his class?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Well, that's what I'm saying. Caleb Williams turns some people off.
Calum's too talented. The biggest issue with Shadur is arm okay, mobility,
average size.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Eh, that's the issue is.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That if if people like I keep hearing about you
know this kid that went transferred to UCLA Niko, Everybody's
oh bad, bad, bad kid. If he lights it up
at UCLA or had he lit it up at Tennessee,
he's going in the first round.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Got them to the playoff?
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yes, yeah, come on in the end, the greater the talent.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Just to be clear, I would take shador at three
if I were the I know people don't love him,
I would. I haven't interviewed him or anything, but I
would look hard at Like if you don'tet a quarterback
and you're the Giants, hello five and twelve, Like, that's
where you're heading.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
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Speaker 3 (18:27):
All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
So you know, for a couple years, thank god, I
don't read social media, but for a couple of years.
Here's all I've heard every time we talk about the
Milwaukee Bucks. I've come on this show and said, yeah,
they're too old, it's not gonna work. Time to blow
it up. They don't have any draft picks. They gave
up too many for Dame. It's not gonna work. And
Milwaukee Fantasy like you guys cherry pick, you don't watch
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the games, you don't know. No, Actually, we've been right.
They're gonna lose to the Pacers. I predicted a week ago.
I said Pacers got better players. Pacers have an undervalued roster.
Pacers have three really good players in their prime. Milwaukee
Jannis is a twenty five million dollars chandelier in a
rundown house and so and he's putting up huge numbers
(19:10):
in this series. He's a monster. He didn't have good
enough players around him. He's had one and I'm not
blaming him.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
He's great.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
He's probably slightly out of his prime, or maybe he's
in his prime, but he's great. But it doesn't matter.
They don't have draft picks. The Kyle Kuzma move of
the deadline was a nothing burger. Dame is a weakness
defensively and passed his prime So Milwaukee's had one great
playoff run and they won a title. Every other year
has been a disappointment since then, and they're gonna get
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They're gonna get knocked out of the series. They'll win
Game three, but they're gonna get knocked out of this series.
In fact, in Jannis's last seven playoff games, he's had
huge numbers. The Bucks are zero for seven. So again
the national media skepticism was right on point. He's doing
thirty five and fifteen in this series and they're down
zero two and they're clearly the inferior team. And we
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were saying on this show three years ago, you don't
have to sit and watch every NBA game. They're just
not athletic enough. They're not young enough. Boston still got
some youth, Cleveland has youth, Oklahoma City's got youth. There's
a lot the West has tons of young athletic teams.
Milwaukee's too old. So listen, this town's This city lost
(20:23):
Louel Cinder Farvan, Aaron Rodgers and somehow survived. To me,
you could guarantee your viability as a franchise by trading
Giannis in the offseason and getting five first round picks
and four players. I mean, look what Rudy Gobert Gott
you can get a ton and it'll guarantee for the
next ten years, you're a viable franchise. You are not
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winning a trophy with Giannis. You don't have the draft capital.
Dame's getting older by the second. Kyle Kuzma's not it.
You're not winning a trophy. So what are your standards?
I mean, green Bay, the Packers man their faults, but
they're trying to win super Bowls. They're making moves to
win Super Bowls. Milwaukee, you want to be a playoff
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team because Boston and Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
And are significantly better.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Like it's not close athletically, defensively, and so it's one
of these things when people say you can't trade Luca.
You could trade Luca. You can't do it for one
first round pick. If you had to trade Luca to
the Lakers for a D Austin Reeves and three first
round picks, okay, you got to sleep on that. Jannis,
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he may not be able to get a free throw.
I'd want four first round picks. I'd want an all
star level player and then two or three other players
because I wouldn't have to pay him anymore. Right, I
could get some expiring contracts, but this thing's not working.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I know the media cherry picks.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
No. Sometimes the national guys because they're not as emotionally
embedded in the franchise, can see the truth. You are
watching the truth in this series.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
J Mack with the news. Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
As you said at the outset, NFL Draft on the horizon,
less than what thirty six hours to go and Cowboys
owner Jerry Jones met with the media yesterday, said Dallas
is working on pretty substantive trades regarding players ahead of
the draft. When asked, he said they were taking calls
with teams, but wouldn't offer specifics. In other news, Colin
(22:34):
Micah Parsons has shown up to voluntary offseason workouts while
seeking a contract extension. So interesting Terry Jones talking about trades.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Michael Parsons, who could have easily just sat this outset.
I don't have a contract. I'm not showing.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Dallas, Dallas to me.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
If you want to catch up to Philadelphia in your
own division, forget the AFC, forget the other teams. Dallas
does not have a top ten roster, not a top
ten row.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
They're not a top ten team in the NFC color
but that you could go through it.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It's just not good.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So to me, I don't even think it's debatable. I've
said before I would move off Micah. I would trade
down in the draft. They need twelve draft picks and
hit on about eight of them and all of a sudden.
In the NFL, that's what's great about it. It's not
baseball where you have to wait for a guy in
the miners. If you go hit on seven or eight
draft picks that give me six starters, and all of
a sudden, you look up and you're like, Okay, Now
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Dak's contract doesn't matter as much because we got six
guys from the second round.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
On that can play, and they have drafted well over
the last few years.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
That being said, who's trading for Micah Parsons, giving up
picks and then paying the guy top dollar for his position?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I think Mike could happened market.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
A robust market.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Not real.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I mean, honestly, don't give me a tea.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Even if you've got a rookie Minnesota, if JJ McCarthy
plays and you're not paying him for four years.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
The Vikings have a billion picks. They got a lot
of picks in this draft, or maybe they have the
few with well, not a.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Great edge rusher draft.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Okay, so Minnesota says, I'll take Micah, give you four
picks or three picks. Yeah, we can pay them. We're
not paying a quarterback. Sam Darnold's gone. We're not paying
anybody Minnesota. Micah Parsons.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Absolutely, it's a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
If you have a rookie quarterback, because Dave Daniels, you've
got four years of a runway.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Interesting Michael.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
By the way, Michael Pennock's Atlanta. They went and got
the kid from New England last year, but they don't
sack the quarterback and it's not a great edge rusher draft.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I'd say you give us Michah Parsons in our division
and we'll give you our first round pick this year
in our second next year. By the way, Atlanta's got
Michael Pennix, go for it. I mean Atlanta to me
in Minnesota, if you want to catch Philadelphia, I mean, hell,
Philadelphia is rumored they want to trade aj Brown to
go up and get Carter from Penn State because they want.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
More pass Rocky.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I like the idea of trading Michael. I just I
don't know the the markets that big. Just because he's
gonna want to be the most highest paid defensive end
in the league, I just I like him. But man,
this cowboy story, all right, next up, Colin, I love
this story. So Tybree's Halliburton, the great point guard of
the Pacers, dropped twenty one and twelve last night in
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a great Pacers win. I'm just telling you now, the
Pacers are gonna be a problem in the next round
for Cleveland. However, Halliburton was voted the most overrated player
in the league in an anonymous player poll by The Athletic.
His coach Rick Carlisle shared his thoughts on the voting
last night after the game.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
And the other guys on the list were Jimmy Butler
and Giannis.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And I want to.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
See I want to see the guys faces that voted
those guys. I want to see the faces of those guys.
All right, this is a pole. Not everybody even answered
in the poll. The whole thing's okay, and it's just
it's really it's really a shameful thing.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
First of all, coaches have to defend their players, so
it's not a shameful thing. I looked at the entire poll.
Ninety percent of it I agreed with. I didn't agree
with this one. The reason he ends up Jannis gets
this because he can't hit a free throw leg. That's well,
I'm just saying, it's a shooters league and Jianness can't shoot.
So he you did argue. I mean, he's highly productive.
Halliburton didn't have a lot of swag.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
He does that, and that's the good is discussion.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Who half the league five years ago, like westbrookover Curry
because Curry's got pharmacy shoes as a shoe line. So no,
I mean a lot of the the NBA is an
aesthetic league.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
It's cool league. It's a culture clure.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yes, So so Halliburton has no interest plan that game
and a lot of the NBA guys, dude, it's about
it's about what you know.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Are you cool? He got he got an attitude. That's
fine with me.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
But Halliburton, like a steph Curry is not really into that,
and so you get punished by NBA players.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
It's not a shameful pole. It's just a poll. And
and for the.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Record, I agreed with the players on all but two categories.
I thought they were right. This one I didn't agree with,
and there was another one. I forget what it was.
That was another one. Somebody was overrated, I think, and
I just didn't agree with it. But let's slow down
on the it's outrageous or shameful. It's anonymous. Polls are
part of society. You have them in tech, politics, sports,
(27:20):
you have anonymous polls. Half the sources in American media
are anonymous because people don't want their name in it.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
But they'll tell you the truth, all right.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I mean, listen, Haliburton was on the US Olympic team.
He's a good player, he's awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
He's a franchise but he's and he's a great guy.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Top five point guard in the league.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Yes, Oh, but this whole like he's not cool, he
doesn't live above the rib. He's on dunking on people.
And like Anthony Edwards is cool, he's getting fine for
yelling inappropriate stuff I can't say on this show to fans. Okay,
like that's cool. I think that Jamarant is cool. You
know how dumb that is? I would take Caliburton over
Jamorant in a heartbeat.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, suh, Yes, it's like this discussion.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
But we also have to realize that the NBA has
always been like this. Doctor j was a great player,
but he was also cool. Yeah, like it mattered. So
I think Michael Jordan was a great player, but Michael
the dress, the look, the earrings. It's okay for one
of our really popular leagues to have cultural significance. In
the NBA, since I've been a kid, the NBA has
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always been the league. Like like when I was a
kid growing up, the first star was Spencer Haywood, and
he pushed back against the league, and Spencer was kind
of viewed as cool. He was a tough guy, was cool,
and so that's okay. Like I some of my favorite players.
I thought Bernard King was cool and Gus Williams was cool.
They weren't great players, but I love their game, I
love their style, and that's okay. But let's just call
(28:40):
it what it is. Halliburton's not considered cool. He's a
tremendous player.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
So Andrew Luck was like a member of a book
club and Flip Phone.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
In the NFL is social. It doesn't matter in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
That's interesting in NFL, who cares?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Who's cool because you're winning football game? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Cool in the NFL is winning.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yes, you know what else is cool? Terrey's Haliburton winning
with the facers man. Anyways, final story, Collin is back
to the NFL. The Titans came out yesterday and told
the media they're not going to trade the number one pick.
Tennessee is closed for business at one, and Diana Russini
is reporting the Giants for the most aggressive team.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Trying to get the number one overall pick. Obviously, they
need a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
They want a quarterback. They just don't like Shadour.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
By the way, how's Kim Ward interviewing? Oh, I haven't
heard anything about that, have you nothing?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Because he's going to one team.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
He's going one and he's only in I think he's
only talked to a few teams.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
But so the.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Giants are going to get a quarterback in this draft.
The question is it Shaduur, is it Jackson Dart one
of these other guys. The New York Giants are the
most interesting team in the draft to me because they're
at three and they feel I.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Feel the draft starts with number three, and again, some
of this Shader Sanders stuff coming out is just because
he doesn't have dominant trades. Like, nobody's talking about cam
Wort's personality, why super mobile, big arm, nobody cares like
like like a lot of this is just people will
(30:08):
deal with stop the greater your talent is. But when
it's marginal, then they really start.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
To pick on you.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You pick you yet Jmack with the News, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
The news, and thanks for stopping that. That's the herd
line news.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
By the way, I'm looking at this NBA poll, Who's
the MVP fifty one fifty six percent, SGA thirty seven percent. Jokic.
I agree with that. What team other than your own
will win the title this season? Boston number one, Oklahoma
City two. I mean, if you start looking at this
(30:46):
most underrated, most underrated players, Kate Cunningham, I agree with that,
best organization Warriors. Yeah, it's hard to hard argue worst Hornets.
So this stuff, you know, again, it's not shameful. It's
just players.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Need you know. I think it's funny when you talk
overrated or underrated.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Yeah, let me give you an underrated. It's an overrated.
I like this guy's game.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Zion Williamson can't stay healthy, doesn't win a damn thing
in New Orleans, got all the money, but he's cool
because he dumps.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
On people and dates porn stars.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Here's why he's not overrated.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
He's appropriately rated because everybody in the league is like,
too bad. He can't stay in shape and stay healthy.
Nobody sees him as a top five player. I think
Zion is appropriately rated. I think Kawhi Leonard similarly. Everybody
with Kawi says the same thing. Bro is great, just
never available.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Okay, can I give you another one? And I like
this guy too, Tray Young Atlanta Hawks.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Again, I would say appropriately rated. I've always liked him
more than the critics, but he is why wild. There's
arguments he's not a winning.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Player, definitely doesn't defend.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Well, yeah that was half the league. But I don't
think Trey's overrated.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I think Trey Young, who I've met and I like,
is appropriately rated.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
We know what is I'll tell you so overrated.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Like if you said Giannis is overrated, that I can
argue because I can know, because I can say this
what matters in all these playoff games. The last four minutes,
Jannis can't hit a free throw, so that there is
people used to think by the way, I remember when
the Lakers moved off Shack, and everybody's like crazy, But
(32:39):
I had a source inside the Lakers that said, Shaq
doesn't want to practice. Shack bad feet falling apart, Shack
is distracted, and we have to make a choice, and
Kobe his life is basketball, and so people freaked out.
But in the end, it doesn't mean the Lakers didn't
love Shack, but they had to make a choice, and
so they went with a more the healthier, more obsessed,
(33:02):
committed player. It doesn't mean you don't like Yannis, but
it is concerning that you don't trust him at the
line late and these close playoff games are decided on
free I mean the Lakers last night went twenty for
twenty at the free throw line. If they go twelve
for twenty, that's a four point game, even though they dominated.
(33:25):
So Underrated doesn't mean you're bad. Underrated means you're considered
a star, and maybe you're not quite living up to
elements of that. So I mean Rick Carlysle is taking
overrated as you stink. It's no, no, no, he's viewed
(33:46):
as an All Star and he you know, he's living
kid Like last year he had a bad stretch.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Now, what if I said Joel Embid overrated.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Now that one I'll take to the bank.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah. I was told for years just wait until next year.
I'm overweight. Yeah, that that's one that I am.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Just over He was the MVP I think two years
ago now.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
And again he's talented.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
But I watched him at the Olympics and it validated
every concern I had, which is within a team structure,
is he a winning player?
Speaker 6 (34:17):
Let me give you another one. Overrated. I'm gonna take
some heat for this. Kyrie Irving. Tell me what he's
won without Lebron and you'll look out.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Job with you. What do you want?
Speaker 6 (34:28):
What has he done without Lebron James?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I think Kyrie is appropriately rated the best closer under
six to four in league history, the most skillful small
player arguably ever.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Got hit one shot against the Warriors to win the
five One.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Damn shot he is, and he's more clutch than Zeph
Curry under six y four.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
He was in the finals last season.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, as the.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Wingman to Luca ok oh boy Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Now, Kyrie is a sensational talent who fairly he is
a smaller player who's been hurt a lot, and everybody
by the way, I was out on Kyrie in Brooklyn
with all the COVID.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, but you have to be fair in our business.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yes, he has been very good and not distracted in
Dallas as a clear number two.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Though, well, let's see what happens next year. Maybe him
in a ad will battle.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
For the Normals'll say this, he always comes to camp
in shape.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
He does well now he does. Yeah, we don't want
to talk about the book.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I've switched. Didn't like Harden, did like Harden, not back down.
I'm not sure with Harden, Kyrie, I'm out Kyrie wins.
With Lebron, I'm in that he went weird out Now
I'm kind of Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I hate how I'm floating the overrated guys. I'm gonna
look like the hater and you're not. You're sitting back.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Most people in society are appropriately rated. I think if
you if there's one guy in the league that I
thought got way too much love, it was Embeid. It's like,
I'm not sure he's good in the team structure. He's
hurt all the time, and frankly, they keep running players
around him and none of them fit.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Okay, LaMelo ball will wrap up a LaMelo ball.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
He's every I think everybody looks at him.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It's really fun to watch little on the flashy side.
Certainly an NBA player, he's a fun NBA player to
go pay for a ticket and watch. He's an NBA
player and kind of a borderline.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Star, owns a bunch of really cool cars.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I'm not wrong with that.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
People love him and as an NBA player, well again.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
But nobody's like, you know what, that's the phase of
the league. People are like, he's fun, he's flashy, he's good,
can be a little sloppy as a player.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
But but dude can play. He can get buckets, he
can play.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, I'm like fist, I'm like mister optimist and you're
you're over there throwing Jahn Morant grenades.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Here live in l an it's good.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
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One of the best parts of the show, and we're
not on the are okay. Diana Russini, professional journalist, says
the Steelers, Browns, and possibly the Vikings could be involved
in Kirk Cousins trade discussions. The Vikings, you mean the
(38:06):
Sam Darnold Vikings, the Daniel Jones Vikings, the Aaron Rodger
rumor Vikings, Kirk Cousins again, So listen with quarterbacks. I
gotta see it to believe it. You can tell me
a house is beautiful, I'd like to step inside. I
gotta see it for myself. And here's the thing with
JJ McCarthy. I watched Michigan. I watched the last two
(38:26):
years under Harborn JJ McCarthy. I s out great o' line,
a great running back, a great defense, a great pass rush,
great culture.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I didn't see great quarterback play. They didn't ask him
to do anything.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Five of his last seven games at Michigan, he didn't
throw a single touchdown pass. His best college game last
year he had one where he passed over three hundred
yards perdue and when he played like I went and
looked this morning, the Big Ten Championship game against Ohio State.
In the Natty, He's thrown for about one hundred and
forty yards in the biggest games. They asked him to
(38:58):
do less. And it's nothing against him, but I got,
you know, it's like I'm watching Minnesota Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold.
They considered extending Sam Donald. There's the rumors with Aaron
Rodgers now Kirk Cousins. He's also had two surgeries to
clean up the knee. I got to see him to
believe it. I never bought into the hype. And one
(39:18):
of the things I thought was interesting there was maybe
it's because he played at Michigan.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Maybe he's got a good agent. But there was a
lot of hype a year ago in the draft. A
year ago today, all you were hearing is pooh, people
are gonna move up for JJ McCarthy. They'll give up
number one pick. Nobody did. The Vikings gave up like
a four and a five. There were two teams and
(39:45):
I had this very well sourced that wanted to move
up for Michael Pennix. So be very careful pre draft.
What you hear Michael Pennix.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Two teams try to draft Michael Pennix and I couldn't
get him. Atlanta did so in Atlanta had Kirk Cousins.
They still drafted Michael Pennix. So it's not like there
was this mad rush to get JJ McCarthy. And I'm
not saying it's not gonna work. It's like Jackson Dark.
I watched Jackson Dart. I never said, wow, franchise quarterback NFL.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
He's talented.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
When I watched Michigan play, it was a lot of
handing the ball off. I mean when they played penn State,
the coaching staff made a decision. We're not going to
throw the ball in the second half, like at all.
That's what I saw. And you can try to sell
me on bigfoot. I need video, Okay, So I got
sea stuff. There's certain things I got sea stuff, and
sometimes it's just your resume, other times it's video.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
So now now, is he liked? Is he in the
weight room? Yes?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yes, Aaron Jones' teammate just saw him a couple of
days ago. I'm not downting. He's working out. Here's Aaron Jones.
Speaker 9 (40:50):
He looks he looks great. I've seen him today moving around.
He looks good in the weight room, looks good. Confident.
I'm very confident in him. All the support around him,
and we're here to lift him up and he's gonna
be ready to go.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
For the record, I think that second surgery makes everybody,
even in the building and out of it, it's like
he's gonna be ready to go.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
I did think.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I watched the preseason with JJ McCarthy and what what
I watched was he was a little bit more athletic.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
It reminded me of bo Nix.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
He was a little bit more athletic at the NFL
level than I thought he would be. He moved around
bow Nicks JJ McCarthy. They got out and moved. They're quick. Uh,
and he's a confident kid. So I mean, I'm it's
just Kirk Cousins Vikings. What do you want me to think?
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Right?
Speaker 9 (41:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
They this is what I'm seeing. This is what I'm seeing.
By the way, somebody I use at least once a
year before the draft. I think his draft previews are exceptional. Lancerline,
who's dad coach in the league. He's works for NFL
dot Com.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
He does.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
He's really good on this stuff, very very buttoned up,
and uh, you know it's I don't think because there's
not a lot of star power at the top of
the draft. I have found my sources have been very
honest about the draft. They like a lot of players,
they don't love a lot. I'm telling you the Ohio
(42:23):
state wide receiver. I don't think he's getting out of
the first round. I make a uh Abuka Abuka. I
do not believe he's getting out of the first round. Cowboys, Denver,
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